Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 21:49:56 -0700 From: Murray Aspden BEGIN One question arose with the son of Daniel Robins (30.251). For Daniel D. Robins you have his spouse, Catherine Smith d. 24 Jan 1883 in Canboro, Haldimand Co., Ontario, Canada. With Tracey being cited. In my own database Daniel D. Robbins m. Catherine M. Pattison, again d. 24 Jan 1883 in Canborough Tp., Haldimand Co., Ontario. My sources are the Censi for 1851(2)CDN West, 1861 CDN West, 1871 CDN, and 1881 CDN as a farmer. Catherine, d/o John Wright Pattison and Cathrine Rinker, shows up in the 1871 and 1881 CDN Censi as his wife. END message exchange (Sep 2009) ... BEGIN From: tmarcelo@austin.rr.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:07 PM I thought it might be helpful to the Ontario Robins/Robbins crowd to post a list of the Robins/Robbins living in Gainsborough in 1828. I've included notes about each of them from my research. --Special note to Murray: There is a James here. Do you think he is "yours"? If anyone wants more detailed sources for some of the statements I make, let me know. Tracey =========================================================== 1828 Gainsborough, Lincoln Co. Ontario census Source: 1828 Census Welland Co. with Gainsborough Lincoln Co., publication number A020, Ontario Genealogical Society, Niagara Peninsula Branch, 1986. Page 7 #8 Daniel Robbins, Jun. 2 males under 16 1 female under 16 1 male over 16 1 female over 16 (Tracey's note: I believe this to be Daniel Robbins, b. about 1777; wife Mary. Owned lot 7, broken front concession in Gainsborough. Daniel seems to have originated in Thorold and he and Mary lived there at least through 1814. They had moved to Gainsborough by 1825 because in an 1825 Gainsborough deed (#5220) he was called Daniel Robins of Gainsborough and in an 1826 Gainsborough deed (#7221), they were called "Daniel Robins and wife Mary of Gainsborough." This Daniel appears to be the son of "widow Sarah Robins" of Thorold. Daniel was living in Gainsborough, enumeration district 9 in 1851, age 75, born in the United States in the household of Daniel Robins age 41 b. 1809-1810 (born Upper Canada), his wife Catherine age 37, children Rebecca age 15, Mary age 13, Phebe age 9; this Robbins is connected to my Clark line, so if you are researching his family, please get in touch with me!) #25 James Robbins 2 males under 16 1 female under 16 1 male over 16 1 female over 16 (Tracey's note: Is this possibly the James who later lived in Canboro? I don't find a James in Gainsborough in subsequent years. Murray, any thoughts here? The proximity of this James in the census to Daniel b. 1765 and Thomas makes me think he is related to Daniel b. 1765--maybe another son??) #26 Daniel Robins 3 males under 16 1 female under 16 3 males over 16 4 females over 16 (Tracey's note: I believe this is Daniel Robins b. 1765 in New Jersey. He is the son of Daniel Robins of Sussex Co. New Jersey who died intestate in 1802. His known siblings are Isaac b. 1758, Stephen b. 1768, Abigail b. 1770. He owned property in Gainsborough lot 20, concession 1, and lots 11 and 12 in concession 2. He died 13 July 1844 in Gainsborough and is buried in Heaslip Cemetery in Gainsborough, although his stone was transcribed in the Ontario Cemetery transcriptions as "David Robins.") #27 Thomas Robins 1 male under 16 1 female under 16 1 male over 16 1 female over 16 (Tracey's note: Born 14 June 1793 in New Jersey. Died around 16 May 1863 or 1865 in Gainsborough. He owned the South part of Lot 21, concession 1 in Gainsborough. According to the Gainsborough deed abstract index records, he left a will. I've ordered the film and will transcribe it when I can. I believe he is the son of Daniel b. 1765; I'm hoping to find more "proof" in Thomas' will.) #34 Job Robins 2 males under 16 2 females under 16 2 males over 16 1 female over 16 (Tracey's note: He was born about 1788 in the United States. He owned the south ½ of Lot 19, concession 2 in Gainsborough.) #41 John Robbins, Jr. 1 male under 16 1 female under 16 1 males over 16 1 female over 16 (Tracey's note: In the 1828 Gainsborough census there is only one John Robins/Robbins. So I'm not sure why he is listed as "Jr." Also, the only John Robbins this seems to fit is John S. Robbins, son of Stephen Robbins. John S. Robbins was born 14 Jun 1793. He died 28 July 1828 in Gainsborough. He owned part of lot 24 and lot 25 in the broken front concession and lot 25 in concession 1 of Gainsborough.) From: rer480@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 4:01 PM Thanks for the sorting out of these Robins/Robbins families, Tracey. I have to wonder about a few things though. I was under the impression that the Daniel Robins mentioned as Daniel Robins Junior was, in fact, the son of Daniel senior, brother of Stephen Robbins (my ancestor). I didn't know that there was a daniel in Thorold. It's really hard to keep the Daniel's in a row. From: tmarcelo@austin.rr.com Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:02 PM Right. Many folks have drawn that conclusion. However, so far I have not found that Daniel Sr. (b. 1765) had a son named Daniel. I believe the Daniel b.1777 was referred to as "Daniel Jr." in the 1828 census because he was indeed "junior" in age to the other Daniel of Gainsborough who is the Daniel b. 1765. The deed records have been very helpful in establishing the differences between the Daniel b. 1777 and the Daniel b. 1765. They have also been helpful in establishing the descendants of the two Daniels--as much of their property seems to have gone to their descendants. Here is summary of the deed information for each of the two Daniels: DANIEL ROBINS b. 1765 in New Jersey As I noted in the previous post, the Daniel b. 1765, owned lots 11 & 12 in concession 2 and lot 20, concession 1 in Gainsborough. A summary of the history of those lots follows: 1795 Daniel Robins assigned 11&12 Conc. 2 Gainsborough by Crown, a farmer from New Jersey age 30 1797 Daniel Robins patent granted for 11&12 conc 2 1798 Daniel Robins bought lot 20, conc 1 Gainsborough from Adam Vrooman (deed #110) 1804 Daniel Robins sold property in Sussex Co. New Jersey as heir of Daniel Robins 1802 intestate to Isaac Robins (see notes about this deed from Marshall Lake in this forum) 1819 Daniel Robins bought S 1/2 lot 12, conc 2, from Stephen Robins of Wainfleet (deed #6231) 1828 census of Gainsborough (listed sequentially with James Robins, and Thomas Robins): 3 males under 16, 1 female under 16, 3 males over 16, 4 females over 16 1841 Aug 23 Daniel Robins sold most of his property; no wife named in the following deeds: -- Daniel Robins to John Robins Jr., lot 20 con 1 (deed #5592) -- Daniel Robins to Jacob Robins, lot 20 con 1 (deed #5593) -- Daniel Robins to William Robins, N 1/2 and S 1/2 lots 11 & 12, con 2 (deed #3029) 1844 (May 19) Daniel Robins sold to Andrew Wilson part of lot 11 conc 2 (deed #4275) Daniel died 13 July 1844; buried Heaslip Cemetery. (See entry for "David Robins" in transcription at: http://www.interment.net/data/canada/ontario/lincoln/gainsborough/heaslip.htm) (Also, according to the Gainsborough land abstract index part of lot 20, con 1 is deeded to "wife and children" in the will of Thomas Robins. I have not read this will or deed record yet; the property transaction for the will is recorded in deed #15442) DANIEL ROBINS b. 1777 in "United States" As for the Daniel b. 1777, this is what I know from deed and census records: 1808: Daniel Robbins sold Thorold lot 162 to Robert Hamilton (Not sure how Daniel got this property. It was originally patented to Abraham Overholt.) 1809: Daniel and John Robbins petition for 200 acres each of land in Upper Canada (These Robbins' appear to be brothers. John was born 1785 in United States and Daniel born 1777.) 1809 Nov 10: Daniel receives a patent to lot 32, 5th concession in Wainfleet, all 200 acres 1810 April 9: Daniel Robbins sells 100 acres south end of lot 32, 5th con to George Hansel or Hainsler or Hansler 1814 April 2: Daniel receives lot 161 Thorold from widow Sarah Robbins. (Not sure how Sarah got this property. It was originally patented to Abraham Overholt.) 1814 Dec 2: #5408 Daniel Robins of Thorold and Mary his wife sell to George Hansel of Pelham N 1/2 lot 32, 5th concession in Wainfleet 100 acres 1825: Daniel Robins of Gainsborough buys from Jacob Beam of Clinton lot 7, broken front Gainsborough (#5220) 1826 May 27: Deed #7221 Daniel Robins and Mary of Gainsborough sell to Peter Dils lot 7, 1st conc of Gainsborough 15 acres (NOTE: Don't know how Daniel got this property. Originally belonged to Jacob Miller by Crown in 1805. By 1852 Joseph Clark, husband of Margaret Cavers, owned property in this same lot and concession. He purchased it from Jonathan Squire on the same day as Daniel D. Robins and Canby Robins.) 1828 census Gainsborough likely #8 Daniel Robbins, Jun. 2 males under 16 1 female under 16 1 male over 16 1 female over 16 1838: Daniel Robins Sr. to Peter Dils, lot 7 broken front (#3203) Daniel Robins "of Gainsborough" to William Snure, Thorold lot 161 (#10184) Note: This is the lot Daniel Robins "of Thorold" received from Sarah Robins in 1814. By the time he sold it in 1838, he was called "Daniel Robins of Gainsborough" in the deed. 1850: -- Daniel Robbins Sr. to Daniel Robbins Jr., lot 7, broken front (#5221) -- Daniel Robbins Sr. to Canby Robbins, lot 7 broken front (#5222) Both of these deeds were registered in 1853, at the same time as the 1825 deed listed above, which is when Daniel purchased the property from Jacob Beam. (Note: The Daniel b. 1765 had died in 1844. The Daniel who made these deeds was still alive in 1850, and he was alive for the 1851 census, in which he is listed as age 75, born in the United States and living with a younger Daniel Robins and family.) Tracey From: rer480@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:26 PM Of course, you are correct. I was thinking of the son of the senoior Daniel, I think his name was John Daniel. I wish that there was some way to connect the 1802 Daniel Robins to the rest of this South Jersey Robins clan. Do you have much additional info on Stephen, or is your research limited to the Daniel's of the region? From: tmarcelo@austin.rr.com Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:18 AM I haven't done very thorough searching about Stephen. So the picture I have is not complete, I'm sure. But, here is what I've found in the land records about Stephen: 1795 Stephen Robins assigned lot 13 in Conc. 1 and lot 13 Con 2 Gainsborough by Crown, a farmer born in New Jersey age 27 1797 Stephen Robins patent given for lot 13 in conc 1 (93 acres: 50 acres N part, 43 acres S part) and S ½ of lot 13 in conc 2 (100 acres) 1817 Stephen Robins buys 200 acres from George Adams lot 27 conc 7 in Wainfleet (#1687) 1819: -- Steven Robbins of Wainfleet to Adam Dilz of Gainsboro 50 acres, S part of lot 13 in 1st concession in Gainsboro ( #5603) -- Steven Robbins of Wainfleet to Benjamin Canby N part lot 13 in 1st concession in Gainsboro and 50 acres, S ½ lot 13 in 2nd concession in Gainsboro (#5604) -- Stephen Robins of Wainfleet to Daniel Robbins of Gainsboro. Land in Gainsboro S 1/2 lot 12 2nd conc 93 acres wit. Thomas Robbins of Gainsborough and Peter Wierz? ( #6231) (Note: This land--the S 1/2 of lot 12 in 2nd conc. was originally patented to John Parker, 100 acress. Stephen Robins had at least 93 acres of it by 1819 when he sold it to Daniel Robbins of Gainsboro. Not sure how Stephen got it.) 1821 Stephen Robins buys 200 acres from George Adams lot 28, conc 7 in Wainfleet (#1081) 1845 March: -- Stephen Robins to Samuel G. Wiggins 25 acres of lot 27 conc 7 in Wainfleet (gift of affection; daughter Nancy wife of Samuel G. Wiggins.) (#3078) -- Stephen Robins to Matthias Robins 175 acres of lot 27 conc 7 in Wainfleet (gift of affection to 5th son Matthias) (#1082) --Stephen Robins to Daniel Robins N ½ of lot 28 conc 7 in Wainfleet (gift of affection to 3rd son Daniel) (#1049) --Stephen Robins to Stephen Robins Jr. S ½ of lot 28 conc 7 in Wainfleet (gift of affection to 4th son Stephen Jr.)(#1051) This one is kind of a cute footnote. Apparently several patent recipients had left deeds at the land office and mouse got into them... Upper Canada Land Petitions "R" Bundle 6, 1802-1804 (RG 1, L 3, Vol. 425) Page 17 ...With respect to eleven Deeds to the following Grantees Reported to be injured by Mice - The Board is of Opinion that the five following are good viz, to Stephen Robins, Alexander Canada, Mary McGreur alias Mc Intire, Daniel Robins, and Lodwick Wolf. - And that one to Blakeley Robins is totally destroyed, the Mice having eaton of off the Seal, and that the four remaining one (viz) to Mary Leech, Jesse Lamb, Samuel Lenox, and Taylor Steward have been sent to the Secretary's Deputies, and one to James McCauly has been issued to the Grantee. With respect to the six above mentioned, five now - remaining, although the Board does not conceive them invalid ? the Grantees with new Deeds, recommended that they should have them, but as those Deeds have lain 6 and 7 years in the Office, it is the parties own Default - in delaying taking them out so long whereby they have been injured, they therefore must pay for the Expense of double Deeds if new ones are mad[e] out. Caveat From: rer480@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:06 AM Thanks for looking it up for me. I only wish that I would be as meticulous about the records I find. I was aware of the 1795 Crown grant. I wasn't aware of the second patent. In looking for the reason why they were granting land, the original one (1795)seems to be through a Protestant Clergy grant. I was trying to figure out why he would have been granted these lands. Could the grants be tied in through his wife? In your previous posts you were attempting to figure out why Richard Dils was connected. Stephen's first wife was Susannah Dils (or Dilz, etc.) She died 1804 and is buried in Heaslip. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of rer480 [rer480@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:17 AM Just a quick correction. I have the 1797 grant. I don't have the 1795 version. Have you found the petitions for that, or the grant itself? From: maspden@telusplanet.net Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:23 AM Something does not seem quite right regarding a grant of a Clergy Reserve Lot In Upper Canada. Let me give you more background information. A significant number of lots in each township were set aside as Clergy Reserves. They were held by the Anglican Church and formed a means of supporting that denomination. Of course, these turned out to be highly contentious. Fine if you happened to be Anglican (or Church of England as so many preferred to be called back then). The Family Compact, the elite that ran Upper Canada, were predominately members of the established church. But many early settlers including many United Empire Loyalists were members of other denominations. An even more contentious issue prior to 1845 was the right of the Anglican Clergy to perform marriages. The exceptions were former military chaplain of another denomination who settled in Upper Canada. The non-conformist knew where they were and flocked to them to be married. Many refused to be married in the Established Church and lived together in a common law marriage raising their families "out of holy wedlock". Back to the issue at hand. My impression is that one could buy a clergy reserve lot if put on the market to raise funds for the Anglican Church. Perhaps they were building an edifice and needed money to do so. What I am not sure about is if a Clergy Reserve lot could be granted directly to a person. Thanks also for giving the connection with the Dilts and Stephen Robbins. Murray From: tmarcelo@austin.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:04 AM The Ontario Archives has a great summary about Crown lands at http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/guides/rg_215_grant-to-patent.aspx Here is a snippet from it: Steps in Acquiring Crown Land. The procedure in land granting by the Crown evolved greatly over time. In very general terms, however, the following steps were involved in land acquisition: If an individual wished to apply for a land grant from the Crown, he (or she) may have submitted a petition to the Crown. If the petition was successful, the Crown would then have issued a land grant to the petitioner. It was a complex process to receive a land grant. Many offices were involved and each office (Executive Council Office, Receiver General's Office, Attorney General's Office, Surveyor General's Office, Provincial Secretary's Office, etc.) maintained its own numbering system for the documents it generated or received relating to these transactions. If the settler took up residence on the land and fulfilled certain settlement duties, he or she would have ended up owning the land, in which case that person would have been issued a patent, indicating that the ownership of the land had passed from the Crown to a private individual. If there were any later transactions relating to that property (e.g., sale to another individual, taking out a mortgage on the property, etc.), they would be documented in the records of the county Land Registry Offices (LROs). So<85>for every Crown land "granted," there should be a matching "patent." (However, sometimes a grant was made but the settler didn't complete settlement requirements or pay the proper fees and the patent was never made.) The records I cited for Stephen (and for Daniel) shows a GRANT made in 1795 and a PATENT for the granted property issued in 1797: 1795 Stephen Robins assigned (GRANT) lot 13 in Conc. 1 and lot 13 Con 2 Gainsborough by Crown, a farmer born in New Jersey age 27 (Source: Ontario Archives film RG 1-609, page 116) 1797 Stephen Robins PATENT given for lot 13 in conc 1 (93 acres: 50 acres N part, 43 acres S part) and S ½ of lot 13 in conc 2 (100 acres) (Source: Abstract index books for Grimsby & Gainsborough Townships 1798-1865, LDS film #0170114) Unfortunately I have never found petitions for Stephen or Daniel. The only record relating to the original GRANT I have found is a "summary" of grants made in which Stephen, Daniel, and William Dils (Dilce) are listed. The summary is on a microfilm from the Ontario Archives, number RG 1-609, (formerly referred to as MS81). Stephen, Daniel, and William Dils are listed together on page 116. I'll attempt to attach a PDF that I made from this film. The PDF contains 2 pages; but on the film these pages were "facing pages"<97>aligned side by side. So to view them properly you will want to print them and perhaps tape them together down the middle. I located this record by referring to the "Ontario Archives Land Record Index." It is sometimes referred to as the "Computerized Land Record Index." There is a good article about it at http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/clri.shtml Rick, You asked why Stephen would have received 2 grants. I don't know the answer! But, the grant that you referred to is not in the Ontario Archives Land Record Index. So that is kind of interesting too. You said: The grant states that 173 acres was granted to Stephen Robins, and a parcel in Beverly Township of 77 acres and 4/7 for the clergy of the Township of Wainfleet. Do you have the lot and concession numbers for each of these pieces of property? The Land Abstract index for the townships in which the property was located could tell us more. But we would need to know the township, lot and concession to find our way around the index. By the way, Ontario land records are a confusing maze! A great book on the subject is: "Ontario Land Registry Office Records: A Guide." I've found the land records very helpful and well worth the effort I've had to make to figure them out! From: maspden@telusplanet.net Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:03 PM Tracey, your steady stream of data to us in Ontario, Canada and myself in particular is most appreciated. My apology for not getting back to all of you sooner. First, a match of the 1828 Census from Gainsborough Tp., Lincoln Co., Upper Canada (now the Province of Ontario) concerning James Robbins m. Betsey Gilbert provides the first solid lead we have had to break through a wall trying to take this Rob(b)ins lineage back. The 1828 Data: Father named James, a woman over 16, two sons and a daughter under 16. From what we know now: James Robbins, b. 1787 U.S.A. Elizabeth "Bessie" Gilbert, wife, b. ca 1801 U.S.A. Eli b. 1819 Upper Canada Judia Gilbert b. 17 Nov 1823 (not sure about her bp) Hezekiah b. ca 1827 Gainsborough Tp. We also know that my Great, Great Grandfather Leonard Robbins was born in Gainsborough Tp., in 1832 according to his marriage registration when he marries Phebe. (This is a second marriage for both.) The second observation relates to the geographical location of the families. They are all on or near the Welland River. May I recommend this most helpful resource for family history research in Ontario. http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/SearchMapframes.php I hope it comes up for the Lincoln County map. If not a search for Lincoln County and Haldimand County can get you to the desired properties. The Welland River is the natural and political boundary between Gainsborough and Wainfleet Townships. One notes that the family names are still there several years latter when these maps were made. What surprised me is how close the family's properties were located. Even James and Bessie were not that far away when they moved near the hamlet of Canboro in Canborough Tp., Haldimand Co. My Grandfather Aspden would always mention his own family connecton with Canboro as we travelled to Dunnville along Highway 3. His Grandmother Susannah Robbins nee Bassindale is buried at Canboro. Looking at a map of the Niagara Peninsula, we see a road that goes directly from Canboro to Wellandport. As we locate the rest of the Robbins (from the data Tracey posts), they are located east and west of Wellandport on or near the Welland River. We also see the Clark family. What I can not find is Richard Dilts website which gives his Dilts family connection to the Robbins. However we do find several Dilts/Dils along the Welland River closeby or neighbours to Robbins. What is even more ironic is my son, Greg, lives on the historic property near St. Catherines at the Smith's Crossroad. Here Pelham, Louth and St. Catherines come together. It does not take long to go over the Niagara Escarpment to get back to Gainsborough Township. Then again, I was the pastor of the Binbrook/Blackheath Pastoral Charge of the United Church of Canada. If we follow the Welland River further west it becomes the unofficial boundry between Binbrook and Blackheath. This small river meanders through rolling farm land and softwood forests as it makes its way to the Niagara River above Niagara Falls. Interestingly the river flows under the Welland Canal which is bridged over the river. Thanks again, Tracey, for all these leads. And to rer480 for your dialogue that has sparked a further flow of data. Will have to take more time to digest it all and see where it takes us. Cheers. Murray From: rer480@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:46 AM I may have been mistaken in the assumption that this was Clergy land. The grant states that 173 acres was granted to Stephen Robins, and a parcel in Beverly Township of 77 acres and 4/7 for the clergy of the Township of Wainfleet. I'm guessing that any time they granted land, a parcel was granted to the clergy? My assumption that this was a clergy parcel was based upon the mention of the Act of Parliament governing the clergy lands. Thanks for clearing that up some Murray. I'm puzzled then why Stephen would have recieved 2 grants of land? From: tmarcelo@austin.rr.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:38 PM Rick posted earlier in the week that he found a book in snippet view on Google books called: Early Niagara District Court Records, 1787-1841 By Brian Narhi This is a great 3-volume reference if you have Ontario/Upper Canada ancestors. Brian sells it on searchable CDs in Microsoft Word 2003 or printed books. (Only Volume 3 is on Google books, and in snippet view at that.) Please contact Brian to purchase a copy at briannarhi@aol.com He did a great job on it. If anyone would like me to send them individual entries, I can do that too! But if you want ALL of them, please consider buying a copy from Brian. Here are entries in the indexes: Vol 1. Quarter Sessions 1787-1841 Robbins, Stephen 31 Robins, John 59, 60 Robins, Joseph 37 (Note: I think this is Joshua, not Joseph) Vol 2. Quarter Sessions 1828-1834 (The page numbers are to individual pages; they aren't page ranges.) Robbins, Aden 12-37 Robbins, David 12-37 Robbins, John 17A-20 Robbins, Stephen 12-37 Robbins, William 4-38, 9-6 Robbins, William Jr. 6-17 Robins, George 14-8 Robins, James K. 17-11, 17-25 Vol 3. Quarter Sessions 1835-1840 (Again, the page numbers are to individual pages; they aren't page ranges.) Robbins, John (Robens) 22-17, 26-20, 26-23, 37-27 Robbins, William 29-35 Robens, Thomas 26-20 Robins, Adam 34-13 Robins, Anna M. 27-1 Robins, Daniel (Robbins) 18-7, 18-25, 21-16, 21-20, 34-13 Robins, David 19-16, 22-2, 22-22 Robins, John 22-21, 34-14 Robins, Thomas 34-14 END