various messages ... BEGIN Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Thu Feb 8, 2018 2:22 am ((PST)) I found this curious "Letters of Administration" record in Montour Co. PA. The deceased is Rachel Robins of Hunterdon Co. New Jersey. Administration was granted to Ralph Robins--and I think it is the Ralph in the 1850 Bethlehem twp. census Sureties given by: Richard Demott and William Kitchen. I haven't found any other records for Rachel yet. So I have no idea how any of this relates to the other Robins in Montour Co. and I don't know how Rachel and Ralph were related. However the Ralph in Hunterdon was 70 in 1850. I haven't found a Ralph in Montour yet. So I'm not sure why this record was made in Montour Co. Richard Demott lived in Montour Co PA William Kitchen lived in Columbia Co. PA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com Feb 7, 2018 Can anyone tell me about the ancestry (parents, grandparents, etc.) of Ralph Robbins who lived in Alexandria, Hunterdon Co.? He is in the Alexandria 1850 census: Name: Ralph Robbins Age: 70 Birth Year: abt 1780 Birthplace: New Jersey Home in 1850: Alexandria, Hunterdon, New Jersey, USA Gender: Male Family Number: 113 Household Members: Name Age Ralph Robbins 70 Susan Robbins 67 Next door is: Name: Jacob Robbins Age: 34 Birth Year: abt 1816 Birthplace: New Jersey Home in 1850: Alexandria, Hunterdon, New Jersey, USA Gender: Male Family Number: 114 Household Members: Name Age Jacob Robbins 34 Jane Robbins 31 Wiliam D Vanderbilt 17 Mary Vanderbilt 60 Sally Ann Robbins 28 Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Thu Feb 8, 2018 5:31 am ((PST)) Ralph Robbins probably only lived in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: From the 1830 census for Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: Robins, Ralph 02100001-001000201 From the 1840 census for Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: Robins, Ralph 000010001-0000101101 The 2 census records tell us that living with Raph was a female born 1760 ????? 1769. This could be the mentioned Rachel Robins and could be Ralph?????s mother. What male Robins do we have that was born 1750 ????? 1760 who had a wife named Rachel? There were some boundary changes with Columbia and Montour Counties around 1850. Richard Demott, mentioned, was actually lived in Madison Twp, Columbia County, PA. I?????m guessing Richard Demott and William Ktichen had legal claims to the estate of Rachel Robins of Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ? Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@cox.net turkeypt2 Date: Thu Feb 8, 2018 6:55 am ((PST)) Ralph Robbins born 18 Jul 1779 Hunterdon Co., NJ, died 5 Mar 1859 Hunterdon Co., NJ buried at Mount Pleasant Cemetery also called Alexandria Presbyterian Churchyard on Route 519, Milford, NJ opposite First Presbyterian Church of Mount Pleasant. Ralph Robins married Susan Vanderbelt born 1782, died 13 Sept. 1860 Hunterdon Co., NJ daughter of Jacob Vanderbelt. Susan Vanderbelt Robins is also buried at Mount Pleasant Cemetery. Daniel Robins 1786-1855 & his wife Jane Robins 1792-1844 are buried there too. The parents of Ralph Robins & Daniel Robins are unknown. From More Records of Old Hunterdon County, Vol. II by Phyllis B D'Autrechy , in 2000, Bastardy Cases 1761-1890: On 16 Jul 1802, John Kitchen of Alexandria Twp was surety for Ralph Robins of the same place, who was accused of being the father of the unborn child of Phebe Riley, single woman. Between 1816 & 1818 Ralph Robins had Alexandria deeds where he sold or bought land. Book 27 page 48; Book 28, pages 157, 309, 504, 505, 506, 587 ,605; Book 29 pages 241, 244. Ralph & Susan Vanderbelt Robins lived near Amsterdam where Jonathan Robins lived. Children of Ralph & Susan Vanderbelt Robins. Jacob Robins abt. 1814. Jane Robins abt. 1819. Westley Robins 1821-1830. From the Hunterdon Gazette, Flemington, NJ 15 Sept 1830, Wesley Robins age 9, son of Ralph Robins killed by lightning near Milford. Sally Ann Robins abt. 1822. Source: Robins, Robbins of New Jersey. Posted by: gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:01 am ((PST)) Ralph Robbins of Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ, was mentioned recently. It's an uncommon name for the Robbins of Hunterdon County. Jonathan Johnson was the Administrator for the Estate of Jonathan Robbins Jr. who died in 1796. This is probably the same Jonathan Johnson below: From New Jersey Abstract of Wills: 1807, May 14 Johnson, Jonathan, of Alexandria Twsp., Hunterdon Co. Inventory, $844.32; made by John Cooley and James Mettler Sworn to by John B. Allen, Adm'r, May 15, 1807 File 2260 J. It's interesting that John Cooley and James Mettler were involved in both Estates: From New Jersey Abstract of Wills: 1796, Oct. 18. Robins, Jonathan Jr., of Hunterdon Co. Int. Adm'r - Jonathan Johnson Fellowbondsmen - John Cooley and Henry Mettler; all of Alexandria Twsp., said Co. 1796, Oct. 14. Inventory, ???£313.13.1; made by William Mettler and John Cooley File 1767J It's also interesting that Jonathan Johnson's father was named Ralph. Ralph Johnson lived in Alexandria Twp. Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:25 am ((PST)) Excellent lead, Garry! I've also been working the "William Kitchen" and "Richard Demott" angle, as they lived in Montour and were the sureties for Ralph when he received the letters of administration in Montour Co. for Rachel Robbins deceased of Hunterdon in 1851. I don't have anything concrete yet. There are several William Kitchens in Montour and Columbia Co. PA in 1850. One of them was: William Kitchen of Danville, Montour b. 1789 d. 1857. He was the son of a William Kitchen b. 1753. And was supposedly the grand-son of Henry Kitchen and Jane Robbins. (Jane was the daughter of John Robbins and Eleanor Abbott of Amwell.) Kind of interesting. The Richard Demott appears to be b. 1800;??? son of Richard Demott and Mary Albright. One of this younger Richard's sisters, Elizabeth, was married to Henry Kitchen b. 1801 son of Wheeler Kitchen Jr. and Sarah. Another of Richard's sisters, Sarah, was married to John Mannon or Manning. They had a daughter Mary b. 1804 who married a John Robbins b. 1800, son of Joseph Robbins and Catherine Harris of Columbia Co. PA. Maybe Rachel Robbins, deceased of Hunterdon is related to the Kitchens who went from Hunterdon to Northumberland / Columbia / Montour and had some property there that needed to be "administered" after her death? There were so MANY Kitchens in that area of Pennsylvania. Ralph did have a female aged about 17-19 years old than him living with him in the Hunterdon 1830 and 1840 censuses: Name:???   Ralph Robins Home in 1830 (City, County, State):???   Alexandria, Hunterdon, New Jersey Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9:???   2 Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19:???   1 Free White Persons - Males - 50 thru 59:???   1 Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 14:???   1 Free White Persons - Females - 40 thru 49:???   2 Free White Persons - Females - 60 thru 69:???   1 Free White Persons - Under 20:???   4 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49:???   2 Total Free White Persons:???   8 Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored):???   8 Name:???   Ralph Robins Home in 1840 (City, County, State):???   Alexandria, Hunterdon, New Jersey Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29:???   1 Free White Persons - Males - 60 thru 69:???   1 (Ralph was 61) Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29:???   1 Free White Persons - Females - 40 thru 49:???   1 Free White Persons - Females - 50 thru 59:???   1 (Susan was 58 in 1840) Free White Persons - Females - 70 thru 79:???   1 (Rachel perhaps? She might have been 17 or 18 years older than Ralph) Persons Employed in Agriculture:???   2 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49:???   3 Total Free White Persons:???   6 Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves:???   6 So...maybe Rachel was his mother...a young mother...The research rages on! :-) Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@cox.net turkeypt2 Date: Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:31 am ((PST)) The Cooley, Mettler, Robins & Johnson families of Alexandria Township were most likely all related in some way, blood relatives, in-laws, neighbors. I don???⒠??t believe anyone has put a lot of time in connecting all these families. However, we do have Robins research on the relationship of William Mettler one of the men who took the inventory of Jonathan Robins, Jr. on 14 Oct 1796. William Mettler???⒠??s daughter Elizabeth ???⒠??Eliza???⒠?? Mettler was b. 3 Nov 1808, d. 29 May 1876 Bloomsbury, Hunterdon Co., NJ. She was the first wife of Isaac Garrison, Sr. b. 1 Oct 1795 Alexandria, Hunterdon Co., d. 4 Feb 1888, Bloomsbury. Isaac Garrison Sr. was the son of James & Dinah Robins Garrison. Dinah Robins 1772-1857 was daughter of Isaac Robins b. abt. 1735, d. between 1783-1793 & his wife Susannah. Source: Dorman Nelson, author & researcher also member here & NJ certified genealogist Fred Sissler. Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@cox.net turkeypt2 Date: Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:15 am ((PST)) Looking over my information that states Eliza Mettler???⒠??s father was William Mettler. It seems like Eliza Mettler Garrison???⒠??s father William Mettler would have been deceased by 1796 since she was born in 1808. If this information is correct then the William Mettler who took the 1796 Jonathan Robins, Jr. inventory probably was her brother or even a nephew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 4:26 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries Our book will contain a section called Unsolved Mysteries. In here will be placed the names of very EARLY Robins that do not have a proven link to Daniel and Hope (Potter) Robins. Here is one of them: Ralph and Susan (Vanderbelt) Robins of Alexandria twp, Hunterdon County. They lived around Finesville along the Warren and Hunterdon Coumty boundary. Between 1816 and 1818 they had 10 Alexandria deeds where they bought or sold.property -- appears to have been a developer. In 1823, Susan, with siblings, bought 117+ acres from her father Jacob Vanderbelt's estate. They bought more land in 1824. He was likely born around 1780 to 1790. ----------------- 1- Does anyone have info on them? 2 - I do not find a Hunterdon will for him (likely died after 1830). Does anyone have a Robins will index for Warren County to see if he is listed there? If we can get his will, it should give us childrens names. 3- He lived about 2 miles from Amsterdam where the Jonathan Robins Sr lived when he died in 1796. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:30 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries John T: Group message #803 lists all the Robins/Robbins I could find who had wills listed in the State of New Jersey Index of wills, Inventories,Etc. In the office of the SECRETARY OF STATE Prior to 1901 Vol I, II, & III published in 1912. This was on an LDS microfilm. I won't go so far as to say this covers all of the wills we'd be interested in. Is it possible that he migrated to another state before he died? Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:45 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries John T I guess they didn't move. I found them in the 1850 & 1860 census but not the 1870 census 1850 census Alexandria Township Ralph Robbins 70 Farmer owns $6000 worth of real estate Born in NJ Susan Robbins age either 67 or 69 (unclear) also born in NJ 1860 census Alexandria Township Ralph Robbins 79 Farmer$6000 Real Estate 1200 Personal Estate Born in NJ Susanna Robbins Age 76 Born in NJ Sara (Wolf or Holf Age 21 Domestic Servant Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:11 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries Gary, Thanks a million - very helpful information on Ralph & Susan Robins. They must have died in Alexandria twp. between 1860 and 1890. Sara checked for them in the index of wills and didn't find them. The last entry for them in the Hunterdon deed index is 1853. 1860 is recent enough that their children should be able to be found. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marshall Lake [mlake@mlake.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:55 AM To: South Jersey ROBINS/ROBBINS Mailing List Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: Ralph ROBINS of Hunterdon Co > Ralph and Susan (Vanderbelt) Robins of Alexandria twp, Hunterdon County. > They lived around Finesville along the Warren and Hunterdon Coumty > boundary. Between 1816 and 1818 they had 10 Alexandria deeds where they > bought or sold.property -- appears to have been a developer. In 1823, > Susan, with siblings, bought 117+ acres from her father Jacob > Vanderbelt's estate. They bought more land in 1824. He was likely born > around 1780 to 1790. > ----------------- > 1- Does anyone have info on them? Here are a couple of items on a Ralph ROBBINS ... Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 15 Sep 1830 We learn that two children, sons of Herbert Bellis and Ralph Robbins, were killed by lightning at the Holland school house, near Milford, in this county, on the 8th inst. - They were under a pear tree when the lightning struck them. From "More Records of Old Hunterdon County, Volume II" by Phyllis B D'Autrechy in 2000 ... Bastardy Cases 1761-1890 BEGIN On 16 Jul 1802 John Kitchen of Alexandria Twp was surety for Ralph Robins of the same place, who was accused of being the father of the unborn child of Phebe Riley, single woman. (Recog. 1619) END From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:46 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries - Ralph Robins Thanks to Gary Robins, the 1860 Alexandria twp, Hunterdon census gives Ralph Robins age 79 and wife Susan age 76. They do not appear in the 1870 NJ census and there are NO NJ death, wills or inventories for them. They likely were living with a child out of NJ -- possibly PA. Does anyone have access to the 1870 Pennsylvania Census ?-- if so, please check for Ralph Robins age 89 and Susan Robins age 86. If either of them are listed it will tell us where they likely died and we can get estate papers on them to get the names of their children. Thanks, From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John Cotton [jwcotton@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:44 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries Note that in 1850 on the same page (but next household) is listed Jacob Robbins age 36 Jane Robbins age 31 William D Vanderbelt age 17 (continued next page) Mary Vanderbelt age 60 Sally Ann Robbins age 28 (the actual spelling of Vanderbelt is indeterminate) I can find Jacob in 1860, 1870, 1880 and 1900 New Jersey census (1860 and 70 Alexandria, Hunterdon Co 1880 in Hollands Township, and 1900 living in Hollands Township in household o George Cole listed as grandfather. He is shown as married to Sarah A. 1860-1880, but she's not with him in 1900 census. I was led to these folks by an entry at Familysearch.org showing Ralph and Susanna as parents of Jacob, Jane and Sally Ann. This was apparently based on the 1850 census, as their birthdates are consistent with the 1850 census. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:08 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Cc: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries John Cotton, Thanks much for the very helpful new info re Ralph & Susan Robins. Marshall Lake gave me this info on the formation of Holland twp. 1 - "Holland Twp was first formed from Alexandria Twp in April of 1874. In March of 1878 Holland Twp was eradicated and Alexandria Twp was restored to what it was before Holland Twp was first formed. And then in March of 1879 Holland Twp was reformed from Alexandria Twp." So they may have not moved ; just a twp. name change. 2 - The name is spelled "Vanderbelt" in ALL of the several early deeds that I have. 3 - You said the 5 people you list were in the next household to Ralph/Susan. From the census, Susan was born in 1784 and Mary Vanderbelt in 1790. Susan's father was Jacob Vanderbelt. Mary was likely an unwed sister of Susan or a sister-in-law. If the later, William Vanderbelt was probably her youngest son.. Jacob, born in 1812, would have been named for Susan's father. 4 - They likely had more children than Jacob, Jane and Sally Ann. The 1830 census would tell us how many children but not the names. 5 - Wonder what happened to Ralph/Susan. Not in the 1870 census but son Jacob is. There is NO NJ death, will or inventory record for them. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:32 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries - Ralph Robins John: My access to ancestry.com include all US census records and neither individual is indexed in the 1870 census, which doesn't surprise me considering the age the would have to be. However I know there were some state census records, but I don't know how and when they were conducted and where they are recorded. Gary ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Mon Mar 5, 2018 9:10 am ((PST)) From the 1840 census for Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: Robins, Ralph 000010001-0000101101 Ralph's wife was Susannah Vanderbilt born 1782. In the census Susannah is aged in her 50's. The oldest female could be Rachel Robbins, aged in her 70's, born 1760 - 1769. If she is Ralph's mother, she would have born closer to 1760. I can't find Rachel Robbins in the 1850 census, suggesting she died prior to the census. END Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 15 Sep 1830 BEGIN We learn that two children, sons of Herbert Bellis and Ralph Robbins, were killed by lightning at the Holland school house, near Milford, in this county, on the 8th inst. - They were under a pear tree when the lightning struck them. END