From: germyn [german@jarman.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:02 PM BEGIN William Robins Last Will and Testament 8 October 1786, Randolph Co., NC (Original Will, North Carolina State Archives, C.R.X.291) Know all men by these presents that I William Robins of the County of Randolph in the State of north Carolina Blacksmith being under sum indisposion of Body But through the great goodness and mer Mercy of God having the free use of my understanding & being of & disposing mind & and memory and Calling to mind the uncertainty of this life and knowing it is appointed unto all men once to Die Doe Make ordain and appoint these presents to Contain my Last will and Testament in manner and form following---- Im presents my Soule I Recommend to God that Gave it and my Body to be decently buried at the discretion of my hir after named Executors and as for such worldly Estat as it hath pleased God to intrust me with I do dispose there of in manner & form following that is to say I do will and ordain that all my just debts & and funeral Expense be paid and defrayed within Convenant time after my Decease. Item I give and bequeth to my well beloved wife francis Robins my plantation During hir natural life [with ?] my dwelling house and all househould [fernitur ?] and at hir Death to betwen Daniel Rachel and ann Item I give to my Eldess son named John one hundred acres of land joining my plantation to the west which Devision to be agreed on by my hir after named executors Item I give to my Second son named Christopher two hundred and twenty acres of land lying west joyning his brother John to be devided in manner and form before mentioned. Item I give to my third son named daniel after his mother deseas my plantation with one hundred and sixty acres of land with paying fifteen Shillings yearly to the seport of his Sister ann also I give him a Certain mare named [brown ?] with a young horse also one plow and tackling one howe ax and m[--?--]. Item I give to my grandson able Robins on hundred acres of land laying in the South East Corner of my tract of land to be laid of in manner and form before mentioned Item I give unto my three eldest Daughters Elizabeth Reed and francis Reed and Charity Vickrey Each of them one puter patter apeace Item I give to my daughter ann a Certain mare named boon with all hir futer in Crease Item I give to my youngest daughter Rachel a young mare and feather bed at hir mother's Decease Item I give unto my three sons before mentioned my Blacksmiths tooles and Carpenters and farmers tools to eqully Devided and I further do Constitute ordain and appoint my three sons John Robins Christopher Robins and Daniel Robins to be my exercutors of this my last will and testament in witness hearoff I have set my hand and seaels this Eight Day of October and in the year of our Lord one thousnad sevcen hundred and eighty six. Sign sealed published and pronounced and Declared by the said William Robins William Robins to be his last will and testament in presence of us Christopher Nation Christopher Vickrey [Transcribed by John L. German on 9 August 1999.] END from https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/robins message exchange BEGIN Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By John German April 01, 2004 at 09:45:13 One of the fictions in the undocumented Robbins genealogy that is recycled on the Internet is the baseless identification of John Robbins of Polecat Creek with John Robbins of Caraway Creek. John Robbins of Polecat Creek was the oldest son of William and Frances (Nation) Robins. This John left a will in 1827. John Robbins of Caraway Creek was the son of Joseph Robins who named him in his will in 1754. Deeds show this John's wife's name was Rachel. He seems likely the father of Moses and Martha Robbins but a grandson of Moses reported in his bio that his g-grmo's name was Elizabeth Curtis. How the undocumented genealogies have come up with Sarah Curtis is a mystery to me. And then there is the unlikely Welsh birth reported by Alpheus Harlan in his Harlan family history. Three grandsons of Moses Robbins have earlier published bios all mentioning their g-grandfather but none of them claiming he was born in Wales. A tradition of Welsh origin in this family is not sufficient grounds for claiming John was actually born in Wales. Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Pamela Askin May 21, 2004 at 10:06:30 I have read your transcription of the will of Joseph Robbins of Carraway Creek, Randolph Co. NC. I believe his daughter, Ellender (Elenor) married Benjamin Clearwater at the home of Moses Robbins per her RW pension application. I have also read your transcription of the bio of George W. Robbins from the History of Clinton County Indiana, who was a descendent of Moses and Alice Harlan Robbins. George W. Robbins married Rachel Fisher of Highland County, Ohio. I am looking for the connection of Benjamin Clearwater to Jacob Clearwater. Jacob was a Quaker who lived in Randolph Co. NC, Greene Co. TN, and died in Highland Co. OH. His second wife was Hannah Fisher, who was related to George W. Robbins wife, Rachel. Have you come across any other information about the Clearwaters, Jacob or Benjamin? Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By John German May 22, 2004 at 04:26:16 Do you have any dates for Elinor? Does the pension application provide her marriage date? Thanks! Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Pamela Askin May 22, 2004 at 05:10:18 Elenor Robbins married 12/25/1776 Randolph Co. NC home of Moses Robbins by David Coltran according to the RW pension. However the RW Soldiers of SC/TN/VA index has a marriage date of 1778 same place. I also note that Benjamin and Elenor Clearwater's first child was named Olive, which is a common to George W. Robbins and Rachel Fisher's second child's name. Re: ROBINS in NC By John German May 23, 2004 at 06:36:28 The marriage date in the pension application seems likely wrong when considering these records: Randolph Co., NC, marriage licnese fees, THE GENEALOGICAL JOURNAL of the RANDOPLH COUNTY GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY, vol. VII #2 (Spring 1983), p. 44. The list is dated 2 August 1788 and includes info that a marriage license was purchased for Benjamin CLOSWATER and Ellener ROBBINS; the fee was 10 shillings. This later date seems more consistent with the marriage occurring in the home of Moses Robbins. Moses Robbins was born about 1765 so he was not a homeowner in 1776. Also a 1788 marriage date is more consistent with the number Eleanor's children: 1790 census Greenville Dist, SC, p. 119: Benja. Clearwater 1,1,3,0,0 Three children are a lot to fit into two years of marriage, but the records below will show that is not exactly what happened: "Gleanings from Randolph County Criminal Actions, Part II, 1787-1791", Genealogical Journal of Randolph County Genealogical Society, XXIII #4 (Fall 1999), p. 20: Recognizance (9 Jan 1788) for Benjamin Curtis to answer charge he begot a child on the body of Ealoner Robins. Securities Joseph Robins, John (x) Robins. Re: ROBINS in NC By Pamela Askin May 23, 2004 at 11:25:20 Interesting turn. This was August 1788 and Joseph Robbins will was dated May 1788? Do you know what relationship Benjamin Curtis is to the Robbins family? I see that he is named in Joseph's will. Is there any recording of the outcome of the criminal charges? According to the Index of RW Soldiers of SC/TN/VA, in 1854 there were 3 living children: Olive age 60 (b.1794), Rachel age 62 (b. 1792) and Deborah age 64 (b. 1790). Re: ROBINS in NC By Ruth Gravitt April 30, 2010 at 07:33:19 Pam, I do have some knowledge of this subject since I have spent a lot of time researching it and collaborating with others who have researched it. I can tell you that Benjamin Curtis had a nephew by the name of Thomas Curtis who married another daughter of Joseph Robbins--Elce Robbins (my ancestors. This is stated in the will of Joseph Robbins. Also, I know that the illegitimate child born of the union of Benjamin Curtis and Eleanor Robbins was Naaman Curtis. For years I worked with a descendant of Naaman trying to figure out who he was. Then Mr. Al Field did some marvelous research pretty much proving that Naaman Curtis was this previously unknown child of Benjamin and Eleanor's. Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Dena Clason March 11, 2004 at 01:31:56 I am also related to the Robins line, through Bethiah Robins who married John Nation. I don't have much on the Robins line, quite a bit on the Nation line. willing to share what I have. Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Annetta Poley May 20, 2004 at 01:05:01 E-mail me at:annettapoli@msn.com I have quite a bit of info myself on the descendants of Daniel Robins & Hope Potter and would like to exchange info with you. Chuck Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Sara Robbins Hoffman May 19, 2003 at 07:52:13 We were in contact on the Lake family a few months ago. I saw your inquiry on another forum regarding my Robins booklet. It is out of print at this time. The address given to you by another researcher for a Sara Robbins in Indiana is not the correct one for me. I've never lived there. If you need my home address in AZ, please contact me. Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Gary Robins September 04, 2003 at 01:40:28 I too have been looking for this booklet. Is it available? I am researching ancestors of Robert Robins, born in 1777 in Greenwich. He was married to Margaret Sharps. Has your research tied this individual to Daniel Robins? I'm also mystified by accounts that I've run across, claiming that many Robins in NJ were loyalists. This would not seem likely, considering Daniels scottish ancestory and his participation in the English civil war. Do you have any thoughts on this matter? Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Sara Robbins Hoffman September 04, 2003 at 07:21:37 The booklet has been out of print for awhile now. Copies can be found at any of the South Jersey Historical Societies & the LDS libraries. What is your source for Robert Robins b. 1777 in Greenwich? Are you sure this is his correct birthdate? I'm a Sharp descendant & would be interested in Margaret's parentage? How do you connect to Robert of 1777 & his wife? Maybe we relate through both families. As to Loyalists vs Scottish ancestors. The descendants of my line, Richard Robbins of Cohansey were Loyalists. They sold goods to the British along the Delaware Bay in exchange for gold. It was just a matter of economics for them. Another Richard Robins, a Benjamin Robins descendant was also a Loyalist. Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Gary Robins September 05, 2003 at 12:39:19 Hmmm. I wonder just how many ways we may be related. My Great Grandfather was Robert Henry Robins, born 11 Nov 1868, La Porte Indiana. He married Lottie Eretta Hoffman, born 6 Apr 1874, Sterling Kansas. They were married 17 Apr 1891 in Vinita, ? Oklahoma. His children were born in Oklahoma. Anyway back to your questions. 1. What is your source for Robert Robins b. 1777 in Greenwich? Are you sure this is his correct birthdate? Answer: That is the date I had in a ged.com file that originated from the grove family. Within the last week I ran across a referance stating that he was born 6 Jan 1777 Greenwich, Sussex County, and died 16 Apr 1856 Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. I had always thought that he had remained in NJ and that his son Jacob migrated to PA. However, I also found a saved document with the following information from a search at ancestory.com "Robins, Robert 6 Jan 1777 Greenwich, Sussex County, NJ 16 Apr 1856 Luzerne County, Pennsylvania: 2326618 Spouse: Margaret Sharps" Which brings us to your next question. 2. How do you connect to Robert of 1777 & his wife? Answer: They are my GGGG Grandparents. Robert Robins & Margaret Sharps Jacob s Robins & Maria Lorrain Line Samuel Lorain Robins & Anna Marie Larman Robert Henry Robins & Lottie Eretta Hoffman William Franklin Robins & Clara Josephine Alley William Frank Robins Jr & Evelyn Sowerby Gary Dale Robins Stay tuned for further supporting information on the Robert Robins & Margaret Sharp marriage. Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Sara Robbins Hoffman September 05, 2003 at 10:46:30 Thanks for all the information. I understand your search much better now. Since there are two places in NJ called Greenwich, one in Cumberland Co. & one in Sussex Co., I assumed you were inquiring about the Robert Robins who died in Greenwich Cumberland Co. on Feb.16,1715/16. His only child Lattin died young so there were no descendants. I don't know how your Robert of Sussex Co. connects to the Robins family. I have no idea how & even if your Margaret Sharps connects to my Sharp family. I'm a descendant of Isaac Sharp. He came to Salem Co. ca 1702 & returned to Ireland in 1726. He died there in 1735 leaving his family in southern NJ. You are better informed than I am about Hannah Potter. I don't know if she was a Mead or Hawes. I've never researched the Potters. I have wondered about the surname Child for William's wife Frances. Is Child correct? Regarding our ancestor William Potter, Barbara W. Pitcher wrote an article about him published in 1988 titled, "Father, Farmer, Churchman, Sinner." You must have read it but thought I'd mention it for anyone else who may be interested. Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Gary Robins September 05, 2003 at 08:36:24 Thanks for your referance to "Father, Farmer, Churchman, Sinner" I was actually unaware of this article. I was not able to immediately find this atricle, but I did quickly locate and extensive excerpt: http://www.maslandtech.com/familytree/np243.htm I had previously located a transcript, (?) of at least the second hearing, (26 May 1662) of this trial, which included Williams admissions and the sentencing. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sarankin/thorpe/wmpotter_trial.html Also located at this site we the New Haven Colony Laws, which may be interesting to read.Especially the "Capitall Lawes" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sarankin/newhaven/nhl_title.html BTW was Lottie Eretta Hoffman related to you in any way? Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By James Harris September 06, 2008 at 01:02:44 Part Of This family migrated to Ontario Canada. Feel free to contact me Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Gary Robins September 05, 2003 at 01:03:17 Supporting information concerning marriage of Robert Robins and Margaret Sharps. Margarets name was listed as Roberts wife in the grove ged.com file. I Also found this marriage acknowledged in an extensive listing of the descendents of Cornelius Vanover, a couple of years ago. This listing did not explore the descendency of Robert. I was however, unable to locate the original web page today. But I did find another, (heh, heh)... here's the link: http://www5.familytreemaker.com/users/b/u/r/Mary-lee-Burgess/FILE/0001page.html Information on this page also acknowledges the marriage and mentions this tidbit. "May 9,1816, John Sharps bought from George Beidelman a stone messuage and farm for $12,800, which, Dec.1,1817, he, with his wife, Christianna, deeded, at the same valuation to his son-in-law, Robert Robins, who was married to his daughter, Margaret." Another tidbit which I belive provides the source of both tidbits: "Included inthe inventory of his estate were notes of hand signed by James C. Helme, Isaac Carpenter, and Robert Robins (The Michael Shoemaker Book (Schumacher); Williams T. Blair; International Textbook Press; Scranton, Pennsylvania;1924; pages pp. 431-435, pp. 755-756) Also of note is the fact that 3 sons of Robert had the Sharps surname incorporated into their name. John Sharps Jacob S(harps - I believe) Peter Sharps It also appears that the VanOver ancestery (from Roberts Wife) was passed on when one of Roberts sons was named Cornelius.Jacob S Rbins, (mentioned above) also named one of sons - Cornelius V Robins. Neither Sharps or Cornelius appear in the family names before the children of Robert Robins. Up Next: A question concerning the true maiden name of Hanna (Widdow Potter) Beecher. Was it really Mead - or did someone get confused? Re: ROBINS in Monmouth, Middlesex & Hunterdon Cos, NJ By Gary Robins September 05, 2003 at 03:13:14 Hope Potter, the wife of Daniel Robins was the grandaughter of Hannah "Widow Potter" Beecher. A question concerning the true maiden name of Hanna (Widow Potter) Beecher. Was it really Mead - or did someone get confused? Hannah Potter is the G-Grandmother of the Children of Daniel Robins, the G-Grandmother of the children of John Mead, and the 5G-Grandmother of both Harriet Beecher Stowe - author of Uncle Toms Cabin and Henry Ward Beecher-one of the most famous evangelical preacher of the times when Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. There is little information about the ancestery of Hanna (Widow Potter) Beecher In any of the family trees that I've looked into. Some list unknown Hawes, and others list John Mead as her father. I think it is of note to mention that researchers of the Mead family line seem to have the following information: William Mead Born 1600 in England Died: 1663 in Stamford, Fairfield Co, CT Married: Abt 1625 in England. +Phillipa Kilvy Born About 1600 in England Died: Sep 19, 1657 in Stamford, Fairfield Co, CT 1.Joseph Mead 2.Martha Mead *** 3.John Mead Born: 1634 in England - Died: February 5, 1699 in Stamford, CT Married:1657 in: Stamford, CT ***** +Hannah Potter Born 9/08/1636 in New Haven, CT (Father: William Potter - Mother: Frances Child) This Hanna Potter is a daughter of William Potter and Frances Child. She is Hope Potters sister and appears to have been named after her grandmother, (Hannah "Widdow Potter" Beecher) ******* Children of John Mead and Hannah Potter include a Hannah Mead. For the proponets of the Hannah "Widow Potter" Beecher - Daughter of John Mead theory....we have the following situation: A Hanna Mead (daughter of John Mead and Hanna Potter)(G granddaughter of Hanna Potter - with not only a maiden name of Mead, but also having a father named John Mead). I haven't seen so much confusion since the descendents of Bethiah Robins and John Nation. I have 2 comments on this situation. 1. Interbreeding does not cause as much confusion in descendants and it it does in Genealogists. 2. No wonder Hanna Meads Grandfather, (whose mother was a Hanna Mead)....took his animal husbandry a little too seriously. END