transcription of Records->Deeds->55.jpg A deed dated June 4, 1773: BEGIN JONATHAN ROBINS TO ISAAC ROBINS This indenture made the fourth day of June in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy three between Jonathan Robins of the township of Alexandria in the county of Hunterdon and Western Division of the Province of New Jersey yeoman of the one part and Isaac Robins of the same place yeoman of the other part, witnesseth that the said Jonathan Robins for and in consideration of the sum of one hundred & fifty pounds current lawful money of the province of aforesaid to him in hand paid by the said Isaac Robins, and also for divers other good causes & considerations by the said Isaac Robins paid and done for the said Jonathan Robins, at and before the ensealing and delivery of these parcels, the receipt whereof the said Jonathan Robins doth hereby acknowledge and thereby and of and from every part thereof doth hereby acquit, release, and discharge the said Isaac Robins his heirs executors and administrators for ever by these presents hath granted, bargained sold alienated, offered, released, conveyed and confirmed and by these presents doth grant, bargain, sell, alien, release, convey & confirm, unto the said Isaac Robins according to an act of Assembly of New Jersey for transferring union possessions and to his heirs and assigns forever. All that tract, piece, or parcel of land and Plantation whereon the said Jonathan Robins now dwells situate in the said township of Alexandria and Bethlehem it being the same tract of land & plantation which the said Jonathan Robins did by deed, bearing dated the twenty third day of May Anno Dom (1751.) Purchase of and from Anne Merrill recourse being thereunto her may more fully and at large appear, and is billed(?) and bounded viz: Beginning at a post for a corner starting in the line of the society's Great Tract and is also a corner of a lot of land of 6 acres which was by the said Jonathan Robins agreed to purchase of & from Robert Farnsworth and runs from thence along the said Society's line. South 50 degrees west twenty one chains to a Black Oak tree to a large heap of stones corner to land belong to Henry Snyder standing in the said Society's old line; Thence by the said Snyder land north forty seven degrees west thirteen chains and twenty five links to a chesnut tree for a corner; Thence still by said Snyder's land south forty six degrees west six chains & seventy five links to a chestnut oak tree for a corner; Thence still by said Snyder's land North forty seven degrees west sixty three chains and twenty five links to a heap of stones near chesnut oak tree marked for a corner; Thence pass along a line of land formally surveyed to Thomas Faulker now belonging to the heirs of George Clifford deceased north seventy five degrees east fifty two chains to a chesnut bush and heap of stones being a corner of said Robert Farnsworth's land; Thence by the same south thirty one degrees east fifty three chains fifty links to the place of beginning, Containing two hundred and thirty four acres of land be the same more or less, also liberty of taking a deed in the said Isaac Robins own name from the said Robert Farnsworth for the above mentioned six acres of land with all the said Jonathan Robins right or claims to the same, also the said Jonathan Robins doth hereby grant and convey unto the said Isaac Robins and to his heirs and assigns for ever for the considerations above mentioned all his the said Jonathan Robins right property titles, claims and demand whatsoever both in law and equity of in and to a certain hundred and thirty three acres of unlocated land to be surveyed and taken up any where in the Western Division of the province of New Jersey aforesaid, which was by the said Jonathan Robins purchased of and from Richard Crookenour by deed for same more fully appears together with all and singular the mines, minerals, woods, underwood, ways, water, water courses, rights, liberties, privileges hereditaments and appurtenances to the said land & premises belonging with any appertainces, and all the estate rights entitlements interests in property claim and demand whatsoever of him the said Jonathan Robins and his heirs, both inlaw and equity of in and to the said premises unto every part thereof hereby granted or mentioned so to be to have and to hold the said land and premises hereby granted with the appertenances unto the said Isaac Robins his heirs and assigns, to the only proper use benefit and behoof of the said Isaac Robins his heirs & assigns forever, and the said Jonathan Robins for himself his heirs executors doth covenant grant and agree to and with the said Isaac Robins his heirs and assigns, that he now is the true and lawful owner of the said land and premises hereby granted with the appertenances and that he now has good right full power and absolute authority in himself to grant bargain and sell the said land and premises unto the said Isaac Robins his heirs and assigns forever according to the true intent & meaning of these presents, and lastly that he the said Jonathan Robins doth for himself his heirs executors and administrators further covenant to and with the said Isaac Robins his heirs and assigns that he and they shall and may forever hereafter quickly and peaceably have hold and enjoy all and every part of the premises and appurtenances above granted or mentioned or intended so to be free and clear of any interuption, or molestation of him the said Jonathan Robins, or any person or persons whatsoever claiming or claim by from or under him therein or any of them shall and will warrant and forever defend by these presents in witness whereof the party first above named hath hereunto set his hand and dated the day and year first above written ~1773. Signed sealed and delivered | in the presence of us | | N.B before executing of this | deed the words 1 and thirty | Jonathan Robins SEAL three] between the thirty first | and thirty second lines from | the top were first intertined. | | Chas. Hoff Spencer Carter - Rockhill | Rec'd the day of the date within written the sum of one hundred and fifty pounds being the consideration money of this within recited deed. Name Jonathan Robins Witness present Chas Hoff - Spencer Carter - Rockhill Be it remembered that on the ninth day of May 1776 personally appeared before me James Parker one of his Majesty's Council for the province of New Jersey John Rockhill one of the subscribing witnesses to the within written instrument who being one of the people called Quakers on his soluemn affirmation did declare that he saw Jonathan Robins party thereto execute the name as his voluntary act and deed for the use and purpose therein mentioned. James Parker (Recorded August 2, 1808) END transcription of Records->Misc->41.-2.jpg From the Hunterdon County, New Jersey Court Records: 5 Aug 1783 BEGIN August Term Minutes 1783. The charge being given to the Grand Jury by ? Justice Reading, they withdrew with two Constables to attend them. John Reeder a defaulting Grand Juror who was fined twenty pounds in August term 1779, has his said fine now remitted by the Court. It is further ordered that the following defaulting Constables, viz, George ?, William Gearhart, John Efling, Isaac Robins, & John Able be fined three pounds each, and that the Sheriff levy the same amounting to fifteen pounds in the whole. END From "Calendar of Wills" for New Jersey: BEGIN 1784, Feb. 18. Robins, Isaac, of Alexandria, Hunterdon Co. Int. Adm'x--Susannah Robins. Fellowbondsman--Amos Smith; both of said place. Witness--Thomas Reeder. 1783, Oct. 7. Inventory, [pounds]491.6.3, made by Thomas Reeder and George Kramer. Plantation of 220 acres, [pounds]320. 1793, Feb. Isaac Robins left 6 children, Jonathan, Rachel, Abigail, Dianna, Mary and Isaac, some of whom are minors, to wit: Dianna, Mary and Isaac; and Amos Smith, and Rachel Smith, his wife one of said children, and Dianna Garrison, another child, applied for a division of real estate; which was ordered. 1793, June 7. Report of division was made accordingly. Lib. 26, p. 222. END From Hunterdon County, New Jersey Court records: BEGIN Susannah Robins Letters of Administration was granted by his Administ'x of Excellancy William Livingston Esq'r unto Susannah Isaac Robins Robins Administratrix of the Estate of Isaac Invent. of [pounds]491.6.3 Robins late of the county of Hunterdon deceased. She having been first duly Sworn well and truly to administer the same Exhibit a true and Perfect Exam'd Inventory and render a Just and and [sic] true account of her Administration Given under the Prerogative Seal the 18th day of February Anno Domini 1784. [signed] Bowes Reed Reg'r END From "More Records of Old Hunterdon County, Vol I" by Phyllis B. D'Autrechy in 1998 which in turn paraphrases from "Minutes of the Orphan's Court 1785-1797" for Hunterdon County, New Jersey: BEGIN February Term 1793 at Flemington, Friday, 8 February 1793. Judges present: Joseph Reading, Joseph Beavers, Daniel Hunt, Nath'l Hunt and William Hazlett. It was presented to the Court that Isaac Robins died intestate seized of a real estate in fee simple and leaving behind him six children, to wit, Jonathan, Rachael, Abigail, Dianna, Mary and Isaac, some of whom are minors, to wit, Dianna, Mary and Isaac. Amos Smith and Rachael Smith, his wife, one of the said children of sd. Isaac and Diana Garrison, another of sd. children of sd. Isaac, dec'd, by James Garrison, her husband and next friend petitioned the court to appoint three indifferent persons to ascertain the share or shares of each of the sd. heirs. Jacob Anderson, Daniel Van Buskirk and William Johnson were appointed to make division of the lands of sd. Isaac Robins, dec'd. August Term 1793 at the Court House in Flemington, Thursday, 8 August 1793. Present: Joseph Reading, Joseph Beavers, and Daniel Hunt. The report of the commissioners appointed to divide the lands late of Isaac Robins deceased was presented. The metes & bounds of Jonathan Robins, Rachael Smith (w/o Amos), formerly Rachael Robins, & Abigail Robins, all of whose shares were purchased by Jonathan Robins, began at a store in the Great Road near the Hickory Tavern in a line of the West Jersey Society's land & totaled about 100 acres; Isaac Robins share began on the northeast side of the sd. Isaac Robins, dec'd farm & ran along the Great Road and Jonathan Robins. The share totaled 66 acres with premises exclusive of one acre formerly sold by Mr. Robins. The metes and bounds of Mary Robins were along Jonathan Robins and Dianna Garrison and contained 38.8 acres and premises. Dianna Garrison's share began at the northeasterly corner of the farm and ran along Col. Beaver's line and totaled 38.8 acres with premises. END transcription of Records->Misc->41. From Hunterdon County, New Jersey Orphans' Court records: BEGIN February Term - 1793 At an Orphan's Court holden at Flemington on Friday the 8th day of February 1793 Present Joseph Reading } Joseph Beavers } Daniel Hunt } Esq'rs Judges Nath'l Hunt } William Hazlett } Be it remember, that in the Term of February in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred & ninety three, it appearing to the Orphans Court of the County of Hunterdon, that Isaac Robins died Intestate, seized of a real estate in fee simple and leaving behind him six children, to wit, Jonathan, Rachel, Abigail, Dianna, Mary and Isaac, some of whom are minors, to wit, Dianna, Mary and Isaac; and Amos Smith and Rachel Smith, his wife, one of the said children of the said Isaac Robins, deceased, and Dianna Garrison, another of the said children of the said Isaac Robins, deceased, by James Garrison, her husband and next friend, having applied to the said Orphans Court, that a division of such real estate should be made according to law, and that the said Court would appoint three indifferent persons to ascertain the share and shares of each of the said heirs by metes and bounds: Whereupon the said Court ordered that a division of the said real estate of the said Isaac Robins, deceased, should be made; and appointed Jacob Anderson, Esquire, Daniel Van Bushkirk and William Johnson to ascertain the share or shares of each of the said heirs by metes and bounds, and that they or any two of them make report thereof in writing to the next Orphans Court after they shall have made such divisions. August Term - 1793 The report of Jacob Anderson, Daniel V. Buskirk and William Johnson, the persons appointed by a Rule of this Court in the Term of February last, to divide the lands late of Isaac Robins deceased, who died Intestate, was presented to the court in the words following--Viz: To the Honorable, the Judges of the Orphans Court, in and for the County of Hunterdon in the State of New Jersey-- We the subscribers, chosen and appointed by a Rule of the said Court of the Term of February 1793, which Rule is hereunto annexed, do in compliance therewith, Report as follows - Viz: The metes and bounds of Jonathan Robins, Rachel Smith, wife of Amos Smith / formerly Rachel Robins / and Abigail Robins, all of whose shares are by purchases, now the property of the said Jonathan Robins, are as follows - Viz: Beginning at a stone in the Great Road near the Hickory Tavern and in a line of the West Jersey Society's Land, thence south forty four degrees thirty minutes west twenty four chains & fifty links to a Black Oak Treemarked for a corner-Thence north forty seven degrees & ten minutes west thirteen chains & twenty five links to a chestnut stump, thence south forty three degrees west ten chains and ninety links, thence north forty seven degrees & thirty minutes west about twenty two chains and forty links to a stake, thence north sixty two degrees east to a stake in the Great Road, about forty one chains & forty links; thence down the said Great Road towards the Hickory Tavern, a south easterly course, about twenty three chains, to the beginning, containing one hundred acres, be the same more or less. The metes and bounds of the said Isaac Robins are as follows-viz: Beginning at a stake and heap of stones on the north east side of the said Isaac Robins (deceased) farm, thirteen chains and forty links south easterly of the north east corner of said farm, south thirty three degrees east, six chains & forty links to a White Oak Tree on the side of the Great Road; thence south seventy two degrees and thirty minutes east, four chains to a chestnut stump on the east side of the Great Road; thence south nineteen degrees and thirty minutes, five chains to a stake in the Great Road; thence south, thirty seven degrees east, about one chain & sixty links to the aforesaid Jonathan Robins's corner, to a stake in the Great Road, thence along said Jonathan's line, south sixty two degrees west, about forty one chains & forty links to a stake for a corner (being a corner to the said Jonathan's also), thence north forty seven degrees & thirty minutes west, about nineteen chains and sixty links (more or less) to a corner in the south west line of said Plantation, and thence north sixty five degrees east forty five chains and ten links to the beginning, containing sixty six acres of land and premises (exclusive of one acre formerly sold by M. Robins, and adjoining the Great Road)--The metes and bounds of Mary Robins is as follows--viz: Beginning at a stake and heap of stones on the north easterly side of the said farm, six chains and eighty links south easterly of the north east corner of the said Farm, thence south thirty three degrees east six chains & eighty links to the aforesaid Isaac Robins's beginning corner, thence along his line, south sixty five degrees west forty five chains and ten links to the south westerly line of said farm; thence along the said line, north forty seven degrees and thirty minutes west, about eleven chains and seventy links, to a corner in said line (being also a corner to Dianna Garrison's parts)-thence along a line of the said Dianna's part, north, seventy degrees and thirty minutes east, to the beginning, containing thirty eight acres and eight tenths of an acre of land and premises, be the same more or less. And the metes and bounds of Dianna Garrison's part is as follows-viz: Beginning at the north easterly corner of said farm; thence south, thirty three degrees east six chains and eighty links to a stake and heap of stones for a corner (being also the beginning corner to the said Mary Robins's lot or part), thence along her line, south seventy degrees and thirty minutes west, forty eight chains and seventy links to a corner in the south westerly line of said farm (being also a corner to the aforesaid Mary Robins) thence north forty seven degrees and thierty minutes west, to Colonel Beaver's line about nine chains and ninety links, and thence along the said Beaver's line south seventy three degrees East fifty two chains, to the beginning, containing thirty eight acres and eight tenths of an acre of land and premises, be the same more or less. Also which we humbly submit to your Honors: given under sure hands this seventh day of June one thousand, seven hundred & ninety three. Jacob Anderson, Daniel V. Buskirk, William Johnson. Whereupon the Court do order on motion of W. Stewart, That the said report be in all things allowed and confirmed; and that the same become a Judgment, Sentence and Decree of this Court. END From "More Records of Old Hunterdon County, Vol II" by Phyllis B. D'Autrechy in 2000: BEGIN 1815, Nov. 6 Susannah Robbins, widow, "being old," will of. Grandaughter, Charity Freese, household goods. Daughter, Mary Jarrad. [sic] Executrix: granddaughter, Charity Freese. Witnesses: William Nixon and P.B. Bloom. Proved 22 Nov. 1817. (3/51) Inventory of the estate of Susanna Robins late of Alexandria, dec'd, made 1 Nov. 1817 by Peter Vansyckle and John Ent $35.25. Proved 22 Nov. 1817 by Charity Freese, executrix. (Volume 4 of Inventories, p. 241) END From "Calendar of New Jersey Wills Volume XIII 1814-1817" by Elmer T Hutchinson in 1949: BEGIN 1815, Nov. 25. Robins, Susannah*, widow, "being old"; will of. Grandaughter, Charity Freese, upper and under bed and bedding. Daughter, Mary Jannard a quilt. Executrix-Charity Freese*. Witnesses-William Nixon, P. B. Bloom. Proved Nov. 22, 1817, before L. T. Blackwell, Surrogate of Hunterdon Co. 1817, Nov. 21. Inventory, $35.25; made by Peter Vansyckel, John Ent. File 2899 J. *Signed by mark. END From Brian Robbins ... BEGIN February 20, 2006: I have this Jonathan as the son of Isaac Robins and Susanna Hopkins, daughter of George Hopkins and Rachel Page. Susanna was b 1739 and died in 1817 in Hunterdon Co, NJ. The Page surname is prevalent in the Robbins marriages in Monmouth Co, most likely a distant cousin of Isaac's to begin with. At the time of Isaac's death in Oct, 1783, his 'plantation' was of 220 acres, worth 320 pounds. Source; NJ Colonial Documents; NJ Calender of Wills, 1781-1785. February 24, 2006: I had responded to your posting about Jonathan and his father mother. looking at my records, my note said I had found that in the NJ Colonial Documents,. NJ calender of wills 1781-1785. If my memory serves me, it may have been from Willie Meaden, a Robbins researcher who several years ago, was kind enough to send me some information, and that was included in it. She recently responded to someone on the web site with her new e mail address. I belive her new address is; wlmo4@oregoncoast.net END transcription of Records->Misc->41.-SupremeCourt From New Jersey Supreme Court cases: BEGIN [COVER - Jonathan Robins] New Jersey, } Supreme Court. } Leake, Atty May Term 1794. Jonathan Robins } adsm } Susannah } Plea Robins. } in } Dower. Filed. 32921 [PAGE - Jonathan Robins] New Jersey, } Of the term of May in the year of our Supreme Court. } Lord one thousand seven hundred } and ninety four. And the said Jonathan Robins by Samuel Leake, his attorney, comes and says, that the said Susannah Robins ought not to have her Dower of the tenements aforesaid with the Appurtenances of the Endowment of the said Isaac Robins, deceased, because he says, that the said Isaac Robins, deceased, neither on the day, on which he is supposed to have espoused the said Susannah Robins, nor at any time afterwards, was seized of the tenements aforesaid with the Appurtenances above mentioned, whereof, &c. of such estate therein, whereby he could thereof endow the said Susannah Robins: And of this he puts himself upon the country; and the said Susannah Robins doth so likewise. [signed] Samuel Leake, Attorney for Defendant. Hunterdon, to wit, Jonathan Robins puts in his place Samuel Leake, his attorney; at the suit of Susannah Robins, who was the wife of Isaac Robins, deceased, in a Plea of Dower, whereof she hath nothing, &c. [COVER - Susannah Robins] Hunterdon New Jersey } Supreme Court } Stewart, Atty April Term 1794. Susannah Robins } Widow of Isaac } Court Robins, deceased. } in Dower V } Jonathan Robins } Filed April Term 1794. ? ? [signed] ? 32921 [PAGE - Susannah Robins] New Jersey - } Of the Term of April in the year of our Lord Supreme Court } one thousand seven hundred and ninety four Hunterdon, to wit, Susannah Robins, who was the widow of Isaac Robins, deceased, Demandeth by Samuel Robert Stewart her attorney against Jonathan Robins the third part of one ?, one barn, one stable, one garden, one orchard, two hundred and thirty four acres of arable land, two hundred and thirty four acres of meadow land, two hundred and thirty four acres of wood land with the appurtenances situate in the township of Alexandria in the County of Hunterdon on her Dower of the endowment of the said Isaac Robins her late husband by writ of the State of New Jersey whereof she hath nothing: and thereof the said Susannah brings first &c - [signed] ? Atty for ? Hunterdon, to wit, Susannah Robins widow of Isaac Robins, deceased, puts in her place Samuel Robert Stewart her attorney against Jonathan Robins in a plea of Dower and ? ? ---- [COVER - Decision] Hunterdon Susannah Robins } V } Dower Jon. Robins } [signed] S. Stewart Atty April Term 1794 [PAGE - Decision] New Jersey to wit, the State of New Jersey to our sheriff of our County of Hunterdon greetings. Command Jonathan Robins that justly and without delay he tender to Susannah Robins, widow, who was the wife of Isaac Robins, deceased, her reasonable dower in one dwelling house, one barn, one stable, one garden, one ? two hundred and thirty four acres of arable land, two hundred and thirty four acres of pasture land, two hundred and thirty four acres of meadow land, and two hundred and thirty four acres of wood land with the appurtenances situate lying and being in the township of Alexandria in the County of Hunterdon aforesaid which was of the ? of the aforesaid Isaac Robins, deceased, sometime her husband and whereas she hath nothing; and thereof complains that the aforesaid Jonathan Robins then of her ?: Wherefore ? he shall tender the same and the aforesaid Susannah Robins shall give you security to ? her plaint, then summon by good ? the aforesaid Jonathan Robins that he be before our Justices of our Supreme Court of Judication at Trenton on the first Tuesday in April next to show wherefor he doth it not, and have then and there their write witness Richard Howell ? Governor Captain General and Commander in Chief in and over the state of New Jersey and Territories there unto belonging Chancellor and ordinary in the same in our Chancery at the city of Trenton the Eighteenth day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety three. [signed] ? END [it appears that there could be more to the last page but it is torn off] NOTES - This seems to be a continuation of what is missing from Records->Wills->41.jpg - MEL From Hunterdon County, New Jersey court records: BEGIN [Page 1] New Jersey Hunterdon County ss. William Nixon one of the witnesses to the within will being duly sworn saith that he saw Susannah Robins the Testatrix therein named sign and seal and hear her publish pronounce and declare the said writing to be her testament and last will and that at the doing thereof the said Testatrix is and of sound and disparing mind and memory as far as he knows and as he duly believes and that P. B. Bloom the other subscribing witness was present at the same time and signed his name as a witness to the said will together with the deponent in the presence of the said Testatrix. Sworn at Flemington [signed] William Nixon 22d Nov 1817 before J. T. Blackwell Surg Last will and Testament of Susanah Robins Hunterdon ss. Charity Freese sole Executor in the within will named being duly sworn saith that this within writing contains the true last will & testament of Susannah Robins the Testatrix therein named as far as she knows and as she truly believes and that the will will [sic] and truly perform the same by paying first the debt of the said deceased and then the Legacies in the said will sat down and perfect so far as the goods chattels and credits of the said deceased can thereunto extend and that she will make and exhibit in to the Surrogate's office at Flemington, a true and perfect inventory of all and singular the good, chattels and credits of the said deceased that shall come to her hands and possession or to the hands or possession of any other person or persons for her use & tender as just an true account when thereunto lawfully received. Sworn 22d Nov 1817 her before me Charity + Freese [signed] J. T. Blackwell Sur. mark [sideways on left margin] ? will of Susanah Robins ? 2899J [Page 2] In the Name of God amen I Susanah Robins widow lieing old but of sound mind and memory and calling to mind the ? of life do make constitute ordain and declare this to be my Last will and testament. Item I give and bequeath to my well beloved grand daughter Charity Frees my upper and under beds together with the bedstid and ? one sheet two pillows and pillow cases and blanket and one bed quilt one tabel [sic] and three chairs. Item I give and bequeath to my well beloved daughter Mary Jarrard my living and master bed quilt. Lastly I do constitute and appoint Charity Frees sole executor of this my Last will and testament in witness where of I do have unto set my hand and seal this twenty fifth day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and fifteen. Witnesses -- her [signed] William Nixon Susanah + Robins [signed] P. B. Bloom mark [Page 3] Hunterdon ss Charity Freese Executrix the within will named being duly sworn saith that the within writing contains a true and perfect Inventory of all and singular the good chattels and credits of Susannah Robins, dec'd, that have come to her hands or possession or to the hands or possession of any other person or persons for her use. Sworn at Flemington her 22d Nov 1817 -- before Charity + Freese [signed] J. T. Blackwell mark Surg't [sideways] Inventory Susanah Robins Filed 22 Nov 1817 [right way] Hunterdon ss. John Ent one of the appraisers of the within inventory being duly sworn saith that the goods & chattels in the within inventory set down and specified were by him appraised according to their just and true ? ? and ? after the ? his judgment and understanding and that Peter Vansyckle the other appraiser whose name is hereunto subscribed was present at the same time and concented in all things to his doing thereof and that they appraised all things brought to their view for appraisment. Sworn 22d Nov 1817 } [signed] John Ent at Flemington before } [signed] P. T. Blackwell Surg [Page 4] A true and perfect inventory of all and singular the goods and chattels rights and credits of Susanna Robins late of Alexandria in the County of Hunterdon and State of New Jersey Deceased made the twenty first day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and seventeen. one Bed Beding Bedstid and ? $30.00 one tabel [sic] 00.50 three chairs 00.75 one bed quilt 04.00 ------- Amount 35.25 { [signed] Peter Vansyckel Appraised By us { { [signed] John Ent END Partial transcription of the 1825 division of lands from John W. Taylor dated September 1, 2006: BEGIN HUNTERDON COUNTY DIVISION OF LANDS Real Estate of Jonathan Robbins, 1825 DIVISION pages 218-226 We the subscribers, Commissioners appointed by the Judges of the Orphans Court of the County of Hunterdon in the term of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty five to make division amongst the heirs of JONATHAN ROBBINS, late of the County of Hunterdon, deceased, of all the real estate whereof the said JONATHAN ROBBINS died seized in said County by metes and bounds agreeable to their respective rights in the same, a certified copy of the order of the said Court is hereunto annexed, do make their rights in the following manner: 1st We have assigned and set off for unto CHARLES ROBBINS, one of the sons and heirs at law of the said JONATHAN ROBBINS described, in his own right and in right of SUSANNAH RUPLE, wife of WILLIAM RUPLE, ISAAC ROBBINS, JONATHAN ROBBINS and MARY HITESMAN, wife of JOHN HITESMAN, other children and heirs of law of the said JONATHAN ROBBINS described, who have severally released to the said CHARLES ROBBINS all of their respective rights and interest in the real estate of the said JONATHAN ROBBINS, deceased, to be ?? severally to him as their share and proportions of the said SUSANNAH RUPLE, ISAAC ROBBINS, JONATHAN ROBBINS and MARY HITESMAN of the real estate, all those three several lots or parcels of land situate in the townships of Alexandria and Bethlehem in the said County, being Lot No. 1 on Map No. 1 and Lot No. 1 on Map No. 2 also all the lot called Flickener lot on Map No. 3 hereunto annexed, the first of which being part of homestead farm and is herewith and described as follows: BEGINNING at a corner in the great road leading from the Hickory Tavern to Bloomsbury and a line of Peter Vansyckle's line. 1. S 48deg 15' E 24 chains 50 links to a large black oak tree corner to Daniel Readings in said line, thence, 2.----,3.-----,4. -----,5.------,6 ----,7-----, 8-----, 9-----, 10. S 37 deg 30' E to the place of BEGINNING Containing forty six acres and sixty hundredths of an acre of land. The second being woodland situate in the township of Bethlehem and is No.1 on the Map No. 2, hereunto annexed and is bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a stone corner to Peter Vansyckle in a line of Henry Eckel's and from thence running along said Eckel's line, thence 1. ----, 2.-----, 3.----, 4.----- to the place of BEGINNING containing five acres of land The third and last lot is situate in the township of Alexandria in the said County called the Flickener lot contained on Map No. 3 hereunto annexed and is bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a stone corner to Andrew Flickener in James Mettler's line from thence running along said Flickener's line 1- N 88 deg 30' W 16 chains 59 to a stone corner to John Werne, thence 2. -------corner to Ebenezer Petty ----- 3.------, 4. ------ Daniel Reading's line ----, 5. ---- corner to Andrew Fleckener ---- 6. S 35 deg W 15 chains to the place of BEGINNING containing sixteen acres of land. II We have assigned and set off to SARAH YOUNG, wife of ASA YOUNG, one of the daughters and heirs at law of the said JONATHAN ROBBINS acreage to be held in severally as her share and proportion of the said Real Estate all that certain lot or parcel of land situate in the township of Alexandria in said County being part of the homestead farm and is marked and numbered as Lot NO.5 on Map No. 1 Thereunto annexed and is bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a stone corner of lot No. 6 in JONATHAN ROBBINS line from thence running along his line 1.----, 2. ----, 3.-----,4.---- to the place of BEGINNING containing ten acres and thirty three hundredths of land. III We have assigned and set off to JONAS ROBBINS another of the sons and heirs at law of the said JONATHAN ROBBINS acreage to be held in severally by him as his share and proportion of the real estate aforesaid all those two several lots or parcels of land part of the said real estate marked No. 3 on Map No.1 and No.3on Map No.2 hereunto annexed the first of which being part of the homestead farm situate in the township of Alexandria in said County is bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a stone corner of NO. 2 in a line of No.1 and runs thence along a line of Lot No.2 1.----, 2. -----, 3.----, 3.-----, 5.-----, 6.------, 7.------, 8. N 62 deg # 2 chains and 4 links to the place of BEGINNING containing eight acres of land. The second lot being woodland is situate in the township of Bethlehem in said County Marked and numbered on Map No. 2. hereunto annexed as Lot No. 3 and is bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a corner stone to Lot No. 1 in Henry Eckle's line from thence running along a line of No. 1 and 2 1. N 45 deg W 11 chains and fifty nine links to a stone corner in William Carter's line, thence by said line 2. N 74 deg 30' E 8 chains 54 links to a stone corner to said Carter, thence by another of his lines 3. N 10 deg W 1 chain 97 links to another stone corner to the same 4. N 74 deg 30' E ?? 96 links to a stone corner to Lot No. 4 in said Carter's line, thence ? a line of No. 6 5. S 45 deg E 8 chains 90? links to a stone corner of No. 4 in Henry Eckle's line and thence by said line 6. S 45 deg W 9 chains 50 links to the place of BEGINNING containing eight acres and sixty one hundredths of an acre. IV We have assigned and set off to WILLIAM ROBBINS another of the sons and heirs at law of the said JONATHAN ROBBINS deceased to be held in severally being as his share and proportion of the real estate aforesaid. All those two certain lots or parcels of land being part of the real estate aforesaid and distinguished by lot No. 4 on Map No. 1 and lot No. 2 on Map No. 2 of the said real estate hereunto annexed the first of which being part of the homestead farm situate in the township of Alexandria in said County and is bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a corner of Daniel Reading's line, from thence running along said Reading's line 1. S 47 deg E 6 chains 86 links to a stone corner to No. 1 in said Reading's line, thence by a line of No. 1 2.-----, 3.------, 4.-----, 5.------, 6.------, 7.------, 8. N 46 deg E ? chains ?7 links to the place of BEGINNING containing seventeen acre and a half of land. The second lot being woodland is situate in the township of Bethlehem in said County being lot No. 2 on Map No. 2 hereunto annexed and is bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a stone corner to William Carter in Peter Vansyckle line . From thence running along said Carter's line 1.-----, 2.-----, 3.------ 4. N 45 deg W 6 chains 95 links to the place of BEGINNING containing three acres and nineteen hundredths of an acre. V We have assigned and set off to JOSEPH ROBBINS another of the sons and heir at law of the said JONATHAN ROBBINS, deceased, to be held by him in severally as his share and proportion of the real estate aforesaid. All those two certain lots or parcels of land being part of the real estate aforesaid distinguished as lot No. 2 on Map No. 1 and lot No. 4 on Map No. 2, hereunto annexed, the first of which being part of the homestead farm with the dwelling house attached thereto and is bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a stone corner to lot No. 1 from thence running by a line of said lot No. 1 1.----, 2.-----, 3.------ 4. N 62 deg E 5 chains 57 links to the place of BEGINNING containing four acres of land. The second lot being woodland is situate in the township of Bethlehem in said County, distinguished on Map No. 2, hereto annexed, by lot No. 4 and is bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a stone corner to Tunis Stines in a line of land belonging to Henry Eckle from thence running along said Eckle's line 1.----, 2.------, 3.---- 4. S 52 deg E 4 chains 25 links to the place of BEGINNING containing five acres of land. VI We have assigned and set off to ABIGAIL GODOWN, wife of JOHN GODOWN, one of the daughters and heir in law of the said JONATHAN ROBBINS, deceased, to be held in severally as her share and proportion of the real estate aforesaid, all that certain lot or parcel of land situate in the township of Alexandria in said County, being part of the real estate aforesaid and distinguished on Map No. 1 hereunto annexed by lot No. 6 and is bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a large rock oak tree corner to land belonging to Daniel Reading, from thence running along said Reading's line, being one of the outside lines of the whole tract. 1. N 47 deg W 21 chains 87 links to a stone corner in Daniel Reading's line being also a corner to land belonging to JONATHAN ROBBINS, thence by his line 2.----, 3.-----, 4. N 46 deg W 4/47? chains 27? links to the place of BEGINNING containing nine acres sixty seven hundredths of an acre of land. In witness whereof we the said Commissioners have hereunto set our hands this seventh day of February in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty six. Edw Welsted Peter Vansyckle Samuel Case Heirs of JONATHAN ROBBINS, dec'd To Samuel Case for 3 days attendance, as Commissioner @ $1.50 per day $4.50 3 days carrying chains @ 75 cents per day 2.25 $6.75 To Peter Vansyckle 4 days as Commissioner @ $1.50 per day $6.00 4 days carrying chains @ 75 cts 3.00 9.00 To Edward Welsted 4 days as Commissioner @ $1.50 per day $6.00 4 days surveying @ $1.50 per day 6.00 calculating, drawing maps, field book 6.00 getting report signed &returning the same 2.00 20.00 Boarding Commissioners 4.60 Horse feed for Commissioners horses 1.00 3 days as adman 3.00 Cash for Justice Cough for Swearing Commissioners 1.00 Court & Surrogate's fees 10.8 $56.24 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Map No. 1 shows Lot No. 1 46.60 acres Lot No. 3 8 acres Lot No. 4 17.5 acres Lot No. 5 10.33 acres Lot No. 6 9.67 acres Map No. 2 is harder to read and has many parts END from https://state.nj.us ... BEGIN Select Name Descriptions and Location Date Reference List Robins, Isaac (Grantee) TO: Isaac Robins FROM: DIVISION OF REAL ESTATE. Alexandria, Hunterdon County. Reference to file #1268J, New Jersey Secretary of State's Wills and Inventories, 1664-1900. OTHERS NAMED: LOCATIONS: Hunterdon; Alexandria (Township, also Alexander, Hunterdon) 7 Jun 1793 Sec. of State Wills : Folio 1268J END NEW JERSEY STATE ARCHIVES RECORDS SECRETARY OF STATE'S DEEDS FROM 1660's BEGIN ROBINS Bk Pg Date Location Isaac 1268J 6/7/1793 Div. Real Est Alexandria, Htd END transcription of Records->Misc->41.-Court-4.jpg BEGIN To the Honourable, the judges, of the Orphans Court, in and for the County of Hunterdon, in the State of New Jersey - We the subscribers, chosen, and appointed by a Rule of the said Court, of the term of February 1793, which Rule is hereunto annexed, do in compliance therewith, report as follows viz the metes and bounds of Jonathan Robins, Rachel Smith, wife of Amos Smith (formerly Rachel Robins), and Abigal [sic] Robins, all of whose shares are by purchas, [sic] now the property of the said Jonathan Robins, are as follows viz Beginning, at a stone in the Great Road near the Hickory Tavern, and in a line of the West Jersey Society land, thence south forty four degrees, and ? minutes west twenty four chains and fifty links, to a Black Oak Tree marked for a corner thence south, forty seven degrees and ten minutes west, thirteen chains, and twenty five links, to a Chesnut [sic] Stump thence south forty three degrees, west, ten chains and ninety links, thence north forty seven degrees & thirty minutes west, about twenty two chains & forty links to a stake, thence north sixty two degrees, east, to a stake in the great road, about forty one chains & forty links, thence down the said Great Road towards the Hickory Tavern, a south easterly course, about twenty three chains to the beginning containing one hundred acres be the same more or less, the metes and bounds of the said Isaac Robins are as follows viz, beginning, at a stake and heap of stones on the north side of the said Isaac Robins (deceased) farm, thirteen chains and sixty links, south easterly of the north east corner of the said farm, south thirty three degrees east, six chains and forty links, to a White Oak Tree on the side of the Great Road, thence south seventy two degrees, and thirty minutes east, four chains to a Chesnut [sic] Stump, on the east side of the great road, thence south nineteen degrees and thirty minutes, five chains to a stake in the Great Road, thence south thirty seven degrees east, about one chain & sixty links to the aforesaid Jonathan Robins corner, to a stake in the Great Road, thence along said Jonathan line, south sixty two degrees west, about forty one chains and forty links, to a stake for a corner (being a corner to the said Jonathan also), thence north forty seven degrees and thirty minutes west, about nineteen chains and sixty links, (more or less) to a corner, in the south west line of said plantation, and, thence north sixty five degrees east forty five chains and ten links, to the beginning, containing sixty six acres of land and premises, (exclusive of one acre formerly sold by ? Robins, and adjoining the Great Road), the metes and bounds of Mary Robins is as follows viz, beginning, at a stake and heap of stones on the north easterly side of the said farm, six chains and eighty links, south easterly of the north east corner of the said farm, thence south thirty three degrees east, six chains & eighty links to the aforesaid Isaac Robins's beginning corner, thence along his line south sixty five degrees west, forty five chains and ten links to the south westerly line of said farm, thence a long the said line north forty seven degrees and thirty minutes west, about eleven chains and seventy links, to a corner in said line, (being also a corner to Dianna Garrison's part), thence along a line to the said Dianna's part, north seventy degrees and thirty minutes east, to the beginning, containing thirty eight acres and eight tenths of an acre of land and premises, be the same more or less, and the metes and bounds of Dianna Garrison's part is as follows viz, beginning, at the north easterly corner of said farm, thence south thirty three degrees east six chains and eighty links to a stake and heap of stones for a corner, (being also the beginning corner to the said Mary Robins's lot or part), thence a long her line south seventy degrees and thirty minutes west, forty eight chains and seventy links to a corner, in the south westerly line of said farm, (being also a corner to the aforesaid Mary Robins's, thence north forty seven degrees and thirty minutes west, to ? Beavers line, about nine chains and ninty links, and thence along the said Beavers's line, south seventy three degrees east fifty two chains, to the beginning, containing thirty eight acres and eight tenths of an acre, of land and premises be the same more or less, all which we humbly submit to your Honour's, given under our hands this seventh day of June one thousand, seven hundred, and ninety three -- [signed] Jacob Anderson [signed] Daniel Buskirk [signed] Wm Johnson END from https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_ArchivesDBPortal/NJProprietors.aspx BEGIN TO: Isaac Robins FROM: DIVISION OF REAL ESTATE. Alexandria, Hunterdon County. Reference to file #1268J, New Jersey Secretary of State's Wills and Inventories, 1664-1900. OTHERS NAMED: LOCATIONS: New Jersey; Hunterdon; Alexandria (Alexandria Township, Alexander Township) 7 Jun 1793 Sec. of State Wills : Folio 1268J TO: Isaac Robins FROM: MORTGAGE. 234 acres. In the line of Societys Great Tract; Alexandria Township; Hunterdon County. For the sum of £67 Proclamation Money. OTHERS NAMED: Robert Farnsworth (Witness); Robert Imlay (Witness); Henry Snyder (Owner of adjoining land); John Stevens, Jr. (Witness [Notation on verso]) LOCATIONS: West Jersey; Hunterdon; Society Land; Society Line; Alexandria (Alexandria Township, Alexander Township) 25 Mar 1776 Hunterdon Co 1776 Mortgage Register [2] : Folio 22 (CHNLO001) TO: Isaac Robins (Yeoman) FROM: Frances Farnsworth (Wife of Robert Farnsworth); Robert Farnsworth (Wheelright) (Husband of Frances Farnsworth) DEED OF SALE. 6 acres. In the middle of the Great Road from Hickory Tavern to Muskonetcong Bridge; By Society's Line; Alexandria Township; Hunterdon County. In consideration of £ 6 truly paid. Recorded: August 2, 1808. OTHERS NAMED: John Chamber (Owner of adjoining lott); Garret Covenhoven (Witness); Isaac Hornor (Witness); Mary Parke (Wife of Nathan Parke; Former owner of land); Nathan Parke (Husband of Mary Parke; Former owner of land); James Parker (One of His Majesty's Council; Signatory); Jonathan Robins (Former owner of adjoining plantation); John Rockhill (Witness) LOCATIONS: West Jersey; Hunterdon; Society Land; Society Line; Alexandria (Alexandria Township, Alexander Township); Meadows and Meadowlands; Musconetcong; Woods and Woodland; Great Road; Bridges; Hickory Tavern; Lots, Allotments; Mines, Mine Lots; Plantations; Roads, Streets, Highways, Paths; Taverns, Inns, Public Houses 10 Jun 1773 Hunterdon Co Deed Volume 15 : Folio 150-152 (CHNCL009) Available at NJ Archives on microfilm for in-person research only. For original records Contact Hunterdon County Clerk TO: FROM: Isaac Robins (Yeoman); Jonathan Robins (Yeoman) DEED OF SALE. 234 acres. Along Society's Line; Society's Great Tract; Alexandria Township; Hunterdon County. In consideration of £ 150 truly paid. Recorded: August 2, 1808. OTHERS NAMED: Spencer Carter (Witness); George Clifford (Heirs of; Owners of land); Richard Crooke (Former owner of land); Robert Farnsworth (Former owner of land); Thomas Foulke (Former owner of adjoining land); Charles Hoff (Witness); Anne Merrill (Former owner of land); James Parker (One of His Majesty's Council; Signatory); John Rockhill (Witness); Henry Snyder (Owner of adjoining land) LOCATIONS: West Jersey; Hunterdon; Society Land; Society Line; Alexandria (Alexandria Township, Alexander Township); Woods and Woodland; Lots, Allotments; Mines, Mine Lots; Plantations 4 Jun 1773 Hunterdon Co Deed Volume 15 : Folio 152-154 (CHNCL009) Available at NJ Archives on microfilm for in-person research only. For original records Contact Hunterdon County Clerk END various messages ... BEGIN From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Col? Jonathan Robins - The brother of Robert Robins and son of John Robins & Elizabeth Indications that Jonathan Robins and Robert Robins were brothers and sons of John Robins 1. Both men named their firstborn sons John 2. Both men named a son Jonathan. (who we suppose is the father of John) Robert gave the name to his 3rd son and Jonathan to his 2nd son. Now we would normally expect the paternal ggrandfathers name to be given to the 3rd son and the maternal grandfathers name to be given to the second son. In this case Roberts father-in-law is known to have had the same 1st name as Roberts father, so his 2nd son was given the name of his wifes grandfather. It is postulated as I will explain that Jonathan is thought to have married a sister of Roberts wife. There are arguments for and against this theory that I will attempt to explain. In any case if true, Jonathan may have felt some leeway to name his 2nd son after his own grandfather. 3. Both men used the middle initial G for at least one of their sons. The G seems to stand for Green which we believe to have been the maiden name of Johns wife Elizabeth. (BTW since Robert was the 2nd born son, we believe that his maternal grandfathers name was Robert Green. Robert did name one of his own sons Robert G. Robins.) Robert also used the name Green in the naming of his son William. 4. Both men had children baptized in the Greenwich Presbyterian Church with Jonathan starting a couple of years ahead of Robert. Of course this infers that they also lived in the same place. ====================================================================================== Indications that Jonathan Robins was married to a sister of Roberts wife Margaret Sharps. 1. Jonathans 1st daughter was named Christina - this was the 1st name of the Roberts wifes mother. Robert also had a daughter named Christina. 2. Jonathans next child was named John S(harps?) Robins - Sharps was Margarets maiden name. Robert also named a son John Sharps Robins. He also used Sharps as the middle name for his sons Peter and Jacob. 3. Jonathans last child was named Mary V(anover?) Robins - Vanover was the maiden name of Margarets mother. Robert named a son Cornelius Vanover Robins. - Cornelius Vanover was the name of Margarets maternal grandfather. Cons to this theory: People point out that they have seen no mention of a Mary Sharps daughter of John Sharps by other researchers. Some say that she isn't named in his will, (I need to get a copy of that will). In actuality I'm not sure that Margaret is named in the will. What is mentioned in the writings I've seen is that estate of John Sharps included a note signed by Robert Robins who was the husband of Margaret Sharps. Now some point out that while they see no documentation of John Sharps having a daughter named Mary that they have seen that some researchers claim that John Sharps had a brother that had a named Mary. While this might account for Jonathans use of the name Sharps in naming his son John, it would not account for a daughter named Christina or another with the middle name of Vanover, unless this supposed brother of John Sharps was married to a sister of Christina Vanover. In this case the use of the name Vanover is accounted for and the fact that Christina Vanovers paternal grandmothers name was Styntje "Christina" Hendricksen would account for the naming of one of Jonathans daughters Christina. =========================================================================== Did Roberts brother Jonathan Robins have the title of Col. - from the newspaper article on the slave known as Suke. "Aunt Suke" nursed all the children of the late Colonel of which Mrs. Smith, widow of Spencer C. Smith, was one, Note: One of the daughters of Jonathan Robins, (Mary Vanover Robins) was the wife of Spencer Carter Smith. Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Col? Jonathan Robins - The brother of Robert Robins and son of John Robins & Elizabeth Gary, Your research sheds new light on this line for me. It looks like you have checked a lot of sources & have carefully considered all the implications of your material. I came across a Civil War soldier named Green Robins d. 1-12-1868, buried Presbyterian Church Cemtery, Mount Pleasant, Hunderdon Co., NJ. He must belong to this line. Do you have anything on this man or any idea if Green was his 1st or middle name? I tried to get a National Archives record on him awhile ago & was told there wasn't any for a Green Robins. Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Col? Jonathan Robins - The brother of Robert Robins and son of John Robins & Elizabeth Sara: About Green Robins/Robbins: John S Robins son of Col Jonathan Robbins appears in the Warren County 1850 Census. His wife is Martha and he has a son named Green Robbins and a son named Sharps Robbins. In the 1860 Census this same man has sons named Jonathan G Robins and John S Robins Jr instead of Green Robbins and Sharps Robbins. This takes the guesswork out of what the G and S stood for in the case of descendents of Col Jonathan Robbins. In the 1850 Alexandria Township, Hunterdon County Census there is another Green Robbins born about 1841 he is the son of a Jonathan Robbins that was born about 1821 and has a wife named Mary Ann. I can not figure out who this Jonathan Robins is. He is 5 years too young to be the Jonathan Robbins, (that also had a wife named Mary) who was the son of Roberts brother John G Robins. I would discount the age as a transcription except that there is also a census record for a "Jonathen"<==== (spelling) G Robins in Washington Township that properly matches with the son of John G Robins who was the brother of Robert. There are also 2 Green Robbins in the 1870 census that I haven't investigated. Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Fw: Col? Jonathan Robins - The brother of Robert Robins and son of John Robins & Elizabeth Judith tried to send this to the forum. I don't think she is a member, so I'm forwarding for her. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Jkarthur@aol.com To: gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net ; Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Col? Jonathan Robins - The brother of Robert Robins and son of John Robins & Elizabeth Just to add something to what Gary has said. Christiana is the name of Jonathan's daughter. If her mother is Mary Sharps, that would be her grandmother's name, not Christina. If Elizabeth, married to John Robins is in fact, Elizabeth Green, then we know her father is Robert for sure as I have that will. In John Sharps will, he did not name his children except for the daughter of his second wife. He named his second wife, too. She was Jemima Cornell. My cousin and I found that there were many land deals between John Sharps and Jonathan and Robert Robbins. We think that was because they were his sons in law, but none of those deeds say that. Judy Arthur From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] from JKArthur on Jonathan Robins This is from JKArthur 1 Jonathan ROBBINS Sr.1 --------------------------------------------- Birth: 1720 Death: Oct 1796 Occ: Weaver Father: Isaac ROBBINS (-1741) Mother: Asubia (THATCHER) He settled in Alexandria TWP adjoining Old Hickory Tavern in 1751, 285 Acres. He may have bought two more farms in Sussex (now Warren) County on the Bloomsbury to Warren Glen Road adjoining Jacob Hulshizer. There is an old deed that lists his sons as Jonathan, Isaac, John, William and Daniel. He also had four daughters.2 Children: Isaac (~1735-1784) Jonathan (~1742-1796) John (1751-<1789) Daniel (1758-) William Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown ============================================================================ Let me say that I'm not doubting Judith about the deed she mentions. I would sure like to obtain a copy of it. It helps explain to me the source of the names of Jonathans children that had been given to me. More than that it is in agreement with the fact that Johns will states that he has a brother named Jonathan, and names a John Robins as a son of a Jonathan Robins. It is more supporting documentation for what we already suspect. Problem??? ... I believe that Marshall Lake has information that the Jonathan Robins that owned the Hickory Tavern died circia 1774 having first transferred the land to his son Isaac. Isaacs children (Diana "Robins" Garrison among them) petitioned the orphans court for a Division of Estate concerniong this land. If all of this is true then said Jonathan couldn't have been the Jonathan that was the grandfather of my Robert, for he died too early. The only way these facts could be reconciled is if the Jonathan Robins that transferred Hickory Tavern a son named Isaac Robins actually lived until 1796. everything still fits if that is the case, however I believe that Marshall can point to another problem, namely that said Jonathan Robins only had 2 sons and 4 daughters, as reported by a grandson of his named Moses Robins. In actuallity I suspect that the Jonathan Robins that purchased land from the widdow Merril may actually have been the son of Daniel Robins Jr who was born circa 1694. It is highly unlikely that he lived to be 102. To me for him to die circa 1774 as I think Marshall believes, would be a much more believable age of 82. Marshall - please help me out here if my memory is in error. ============================================================================== I have another problem with the fact that the wife of Isaac Robins is purported to be Asubia Thatcher. This may well be fact. Thatcher genealogists state that Asubia Thatcher, (daughter of Amos and Lydia Thatcher) was married to an Isaac Robins. If so it would be no coincidence that Amos Thatcher was named as one of the Executors of Isaacs estate, and his wife Lydia Thatcher signed as a witness. The problem is that the Thatcher genealogies I've seen state the Asubia Thatcher was born in 1742 , (1 year after the death of Isaac Robins" Does anyone know this reported DOB for Asubia to be incorrect? Because all the other information fits tooooooo well. Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Col? Jonathan Robins - The brother of Robert Robins and son of John Robins & Elizabeth Gary, Thanks for the Green information. It may explain why the National Archives said they had no Green Robbins from Hunterdon Co. He could have enlisted using his first name & not his middle name Green. Possibly when he died his family placed the name they called him "Green" Robbins on his tombstone. His name is spelled with the two b's. What is correct for Col. Jonathan Robins or Robbins? Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Col? Jonathan Robins - The brother of Robert Robins and son of John Robins & Elizabeth Sara: It was surprising to me because of Roberts spelling of the name Robins and his fathers spelling of the name in his will as Robins and his grandfathers estate filed under the name Robins and Isaacs will using Robins - That Col. Jonathan Robbins spelled his name differently. Perhaps it shouldn't be, because the census takers went on to change the spellings back and forth in the 1850's 60's and 70's As I may have pointed out in the 1850 census Robert Robins was the head of house. In that same house a Robert G. Robbins was listed as the head of a family including a wife and 2 children. Different spellings for 2 people that were obviously father and son, and living in the same house. Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] from JKArthur on Jonathan Robins Gary, Some thoughts on the Thatcher/Robins relationship. RE: Will of Amos Thatcher of Amwell, Hunterdon Co., NJ written 2/24/1787 & proved 2/7/1798. His daughters are named as Asubia & Lydia, his wife isn't mentioned so may have been deceased. I agree there is a problem with Asubia d/o Amos Thatcher being the same Asubia w/o Isaac Robins. I haven't looked at the Thatcher genealogies but they could be correct if they are referring to Asubia Thatcher b. 1742, d/o of Amos. Asubia Robins had what we believe from Isaac's will 6 children, all assumed to be minors in 1741. Possibly Asubia Robins was the sister of Amos Thatcher & not his daughter. Lydia Thatcher who witnessed the 1741 will of Isaac Robins probably is the w/o Amos Thatcher but have no source to confirm it. Do you have a source where Lydia is referred to as the w/o Amos Thatcher? Do the Thatcher genealogies name the parents of Amos? Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] from JKArthur on Jonathan Robins Sara: The wife of Amos Thatcher was Lydia Prail. They were both born circa 1705. Now Amos and Lydia did have a daughter named Lydia Thatcher but she was born in 1731. It is a fact that Amos Thatcher was named Executor of Isaacs Last Will and Testament. Lydia Thatcher signed his will as a witness. I see no indication that Amos Thatcher had a sister named Lydia, but he did have a sister named Margaret Thatcher, (groan ;) . and his mothers name is supposed to have been Elizabeth Taylor, (groan - groan ;). The father of Amos Thatcher is given as Bartholomew Thatcher. Isaacs will describes Amos Thatcher as a "Trusty and well beloved Friend" I'm left with the belief that the families were close, so it makes sense that the wife of Amos Thatcher might witness the will. It has occurred to me that one of the unnamed children (there were 4 in this category) of Isaac Robins was a son named Isaac. This possibly would allow the daughter of close family friends to indeed marry an Isaac Robins. Of course there is the uncomfortable fact that Isaacs wifes name was Asubia and the Thatchers had a daughter named Asubia. It could just be a coincidence - perhaps Asubia or I believe Azubah may not have been too uncommon in the early 1700s. From http://www.behindthename.com/ we learn this about the name Azubah. AZUBAH Gender: Feminine Usage: Biblical Other Scripts: ???????? (Hebrew) Pronounced: a-ZYOO-ba [key] Means "forsaken" in Hebrew. In the Old Testament this is the name of Caleb's wife. Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] from JKArthur on Jonathan Robins John: I really appreciate your input on this line of descent. It is forcing me to think and try to pull my information together. If I question your statements, it is not that I doubt their veracity, I'm trying to understand exactly what you are saying. You are after all in a better position to research, and have researched documents that I have neither easy access to or even thought to look at. Gary Judy Arthur has done excellent research; however, her 1-Jonathan I think is incorrect. Jonathan (1694-1774) and wife Dinah, as Marshall states, seems to be the parents of the children named by Judy Arthur. Her referenced old deed naming 5 sons plus 4 unnamed daughters is a very important addition. Please elaborate, which children are you talking about the 5 sons plus 4 unnamed daughters or the children she has listed as sons of Col Jonathan Robbins and his wife Mary? The attached Division of Estate Papers leave no doubt about who the children of Col Jonathan and Mary were. Also do I infer from your above statement that the Jonathan that lived at the Old Hickory Tavern was the son of 2-Daniel. and that the date of his death has been confirmed? I have no information that disputes that contention. Jonathan Sr (1720-1796) did NOT live by the Hickory Tavern. The 1796 inventories for both Jonathan Sr and Jr were made by Henry Mettler and John Cooley who lived in Amsterdam (Hammond Map C). Is this map available online? The two lots between Mettler and Cooley were owned by a Parker who lived in Perth Amboy. It is felt that Sr & Jr lived as tenants on these lots. A year later, 1797, these 2 lots were sold by Parker to Noah Barton and Wm Vandebelt (deeds 2-103 and 2-230). We need to know the basis for saying that Jonathan Sr, who died in 1796, was the son of Isaac and Asubia. as he is NOT named in Isaac's will. John Taylor OK - I too am leary about making that assertion. I accepted it when it was given to me, but have since not discovered anything to confirm it. I agree that we need some form of documention for the father of the Jonathan Robins that died circa 1796. Because the names John and Jonathan play so heavily in the descendents of John and Elizabeth Robins. I have wondered if grandpa Jonathans father was one of the 2 known sons of 2-Daniel, (either Jonathan or John). I believe that John was married to a woman named Eleanor and his children do not include a son named Jonathan. Of 2-Daniels son Jonathan I know nothing. I take it that you have asserted that his wife is named Dinah? What documentation is there and do you know who his children were? Is the contention that the 5 sons and 4 daughters previously mentioned are his? If so, how do we reconcile this with what I believe is Marshalls contention that said Jonathans grandson Moses claimed Jonathan had 2 sons and 4 daughters? From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] from JKArthur on Jonathan Robins Gary, Thanks for posting your information & ideas on the Thatcher/Robins family. I added some material below for review. Do you have a source for Lydia Prail as the w/o Amos Thatcher & Amos as the son of Bartholomew Thatcher? Do you know how the following Thatchers link to Amos? 1817, Jan. 8 Thatcher, Bartholomew, of Kingwood, Hunterdon Co., will of. Wife, Margaret, all estate on which I live, 1 horse, 1 cow, household goods during widowhood; also interest of $200 annually. After her death or marriage said estate to my son, Charles, for life and at his death to his children by his first wife, Elizabeth, and to Susan Emmons, who are also to share residue of estate. Executors---Henry Clifton, Hezekieh Waterhouse. Witnesses--Robert Witts, James Barcroft, Fanny Wetts. Proved May 31, 1817, when Henry Clifton signs as Executor. 1817. May 29, Inventory, $945.04 1/2; made by Ed. Weisted, Luther Opdyke. Could there be another Bartholomew Thatcher who was the father of Amos? There appears to be more than one Amos Thatcher. The following Amos died 19 yrs before the Amos Thatcher linked to Isaac Robins. I'm curious as to how these two Amos' connect? 1779, Dec.1 Amos Thatcher of Hunterdon Co., Int. Adm'r Job Thatcher. Fellowbondsman Jeremiah Thatcher. 1779, Dec. 10 Inv 5,032.17.0 made by Daniel Pursel & Frederick Jordan. 1803, Feb. 4 Account by Adm'r money paid to the following, Daniel Thatcher, Martha Woolverton, Joseph Thatcher, Amy Wilson, Mary Godown & Evan Godown. Source for the above Thatcher will abstract & inventory is from the NJ Archives, Calendar of Wills (1670-1817) pg. 422 & Index of Wills Vol. II for Hunterdon Co., NJ. Other Amos & Bartholomew Thatchers from the Index of Wills for Hunterdon Co. Amos Thatcher, Sr. Inv. 1843. Amos Thatcher, Inv. 1862. Bartholomew Thatcher, W. 1833. Bartholomew Thatcher, Inv. 1845. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] from JKArthur on Jonathan Robins Gary, The Hammond Maps are a series of 6 or 8 large maps about a yard square that show the early settlers of Hunterdon County. This set can be purchased, with index, from the Hunterdon County Historical Society, Flemington for about $45. I will respond to your questions this way. 1- Immigrant Daniel and Hope (Potter) Robinson/Robins first son was named Daniel which we call #2 Daniel Robins. He is the son that went to Hunterdon County. 2- # 2 Daniel had one son by 1st wife Mary Parker who we call #3 Daniel (she died at child birth) 3- # 2 Daniel had 4 sons by 2nd wife Mary ______ named Jonathan (we refer to him as #1 Jonathan), John, Isaac, and Job [Isaac/wife Asubia and Job/wife Abigail received Amwell twp land from their father #2 Daniel through deed H-475] 4- Sons #3 Daniel and his half brother #1 Jonathan were neighbors in Upper Freehold, Monmouth County. #3 Daniel sold his land here in 1748 and moved to Amwell twp, Hunterdon and had a tavern there. #1 Jonathan (1694-1774*) and wife Dinah (named in Deed) sold their land here in 1742 by deed Monmouth H-46 They are presumed to have moved to Hunterdon County -- no further trace of them is found in Monmouth County 5- #1 Jonathan (we feel) in 1751 by deed 15-152 bought 234 acres in Bethlehem/Alexandria twp land from Anne Merrill Jonathan and Dinah (we feel) had sons: > Isaac (d 1784) who wed Susannah (d 1817), they had a daughter Dinah In 1773 his father sold him the 234 acre tract > #2 Jonathan (d 1815) who may have wed Mary Huff [have not seen proof ] The Dinah linkage is why it is felt that #1 Jonathan is the Jonathan that bought from Anne Merrill.and assumed* to be the Jonathan with the 1774 inventory Snell's 1881 "History of Hunterdon and Somerset Counties" say that Jonathan had sons Isaac and Jonathan and 4 daughters. Judy Arthur says there is an old deed which names sons Isaac, Jonathan, John, William and Daniel. If so, three more sons need to be added. It is very important to see this old deed. John Taylor The debate on this subject is good as it should move us closer to the truth From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] from JKArthur on Jonathan Robins John: Thanks for your reply. This reply is off board only because I'm addressing the pdf file I sent you. I see nothing in your message that contradicts the pdf file showing a possible path of descent to my Jonathan Robins. Granted that it is just theory. At least I'm not sure that the man we've been calling Jonathan Robins Sr. is included in your e-mail. Anyway don't get the wrong idea. I'm not saying it is fact - just possible, and I'm well aware that because 2-Daniel had 13 children, that there may be many possibilities. To me the father of the weaver Jonathan Robins is still unknown. Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Peggy Robbins [pegrobbins@triad.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Digest Number 270 Robbins Family of New JerseyGreen Robbins Sara, I thought you may be able to use the following records: From Sundry Tombstone Inscriptions and Church Data, Vol. 1, p. 36 by Lockenthal, I got the following (all listed together): Jonathan Robbins Jan. 7, 1774 May 18, 1857 Mary Robbins Wife Jonathan Robbins July 22, 1779 May 29, 1844 Jonathan Green Robbins, Son Jonathan & Mary, Dec. 7, 1819 Aug 7, 1840 John S. Robbins Dec. 27, 1800 Mch. 24, 1878 All of the above under Greenwich. There is also a Robbins, J. Green D. Feb 10, 1913 - no birth date, and there are several other Robbins in Greenwich. From the Whig and Journal, Easton PA, 1840, I found: "Wednesday, August 12, 1840 Died--On Friday last of pulmomary consumption, Mr. J. G. Robbins, of the firm of Robbins & Christman, merchants of this place, aged 26 years." "Index of Wills and Admniistration Records: Northampton and Lehigh Counties" by Williams. Will # 4973. I can't put my hands on it right now, but I have the abstract, which I got at the library at Easton in a book of abstracts, and I remember he listed no wife, but left everything to his mother. The Penn State Archives lists this as Jonathan George, if I remember correctly. Greenwich Presbyterian listings for Robbins at http://raub-and-more.com/greenwich/greenwichcem3.html has Jonathan Greer. a.. Robbins, Christianna, 20 years, 3 mo., 8 days, d. Oct. 10, 1850, daughter of John and Martha. a.. Robbins, Harry, 11 mos., d. Aug. 11, 1878, son of I. H. and J. B. a.. Robbins, Jonathan, b. Jan. 7, 1774, d. May 8, 1867. a.. Robbins, Mary, 67 years, 10 mo., d. May 22, 1844, wife of Jonathan. a.. Robbins, J. Green, d. Feb. 10, 1913. a.. Robbins, John, b. Dec. 2-, 1800. d. March 24, 1872. a.. Robbins, Martha, b. Jan. 22, 1802, d. Feb. 17, 1876, wife of John. a.. Robbins, Jonathan Greer, 27 years, 8 mo., d. Aug. 7, 1840. a.. Robbins, Mattie H., b. April 30, 1865, d. Aug. 11, 1866, daughter of Isaac and Jennie. a.. Robbins, Peter D., 65 years, 7 mo., 1 day, d. April 4, 1877. a.. Robbins, Elizabeth A. Stewart, 60 years, 9 mo., 17 days, d. Feb. 21, 1878, wife of Peter. a.. Robbins, Robert, 88 years, 7 mo., 25 days, d. April 5, 1878. a.. Robbins, Mary E. Fine, 81 years, 4 mo., 6 days, d. Aug. 6, 1873, wife of Robert. a.. Robbins, E. Sharps, 1842-1925. These Sharps are listed, but no Vanovers in this cemetery. a.. Sharps, John, 79 years, 9 days, d. Oct. 5, 1851. a.. Sharps, Christianna, 67 years, d. Nov. 16, 1821, wife of John. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] from JKArthur on Jonathan Robins Sara: I can't pretend to know all about the Thatchers. In fact I only passed on what I had seen in their genealogies and haven't verified any sources if they exist. This is purely due to a lack of motivation, because I haven't seen any firm connections of marriages into my line. The main aspect I was addressing was my own reluctance to accept at face value the assertion that Asubia Thatcher was married to the Isaac Robins that died in 1741. For that to be fact, the Thatcher researchers have to be off an entire generation in their estimates of birth years for too many people. I accept at face value their contention that Lydia Prail was the wife of Amos Thatcher because her connection to Isaacs will along with Amos Thatchers is adequate to satisfy me that they are related. I guess that I just have not been personally motivated to challenge this information. Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] ROBINS - Rev War Marshall: My comments follow Gary According to "Certificates and Receipts of Revolutionary New Jersey" by Dorothy Agnus Stratford and Thomas B Wilson in 1996 ... Page 200 BEGIN 22. Jonathan Robins, 30 Dec 1777, 2 blankets, [pounds] 4.2.6. [9046] END What a shot in the dark when I speculated that Jonathan may have provided clothing or blankets. This record was found among the accounts of Joseph Chamberlain who was the Commissioner of Clothing for Hunterdon County, 1777-1778. There is also an Aaron ROBINS listed in this book if anyone is interested. According to "Revolutionary Census of New Jersey" by Kenn Stryker-Rodda in 1986 ... 1778-1780 ROBBINS/ROBINS William - Bethlehem Twp Sarah - Bethlehem Twp Thomas - Bethlehem Twp Amos - Amwell Twp Eleanor (widow) - Amwell Twp John Jr - Amwell Twp John Sr - Amwell Twp 1784-1786 ROBBINS/ROBINS John - Alexandria Twp Jonathan (Jr & Sr) - Alexandria Twp Susanna - Alexandria Twp Thomas - Alexandria Twp The above names are for Hunterdon County only. The source for the names are tax ratables. [My Note - I don't believe that because a person appeared on a tax ratable list necessarily means that they owned land. I believe people were also taxed on other property ... cows, horses, etc. The preface in the book refers to Genealogical Magazine of NJ, vol 46 (1966), pages 19-22 for further info regarding ratables.] From the Common Pleas Minutes for Hunterdon County ... BEGIN October Term Minutes 1777. The State } Sur Recog'w for refusing the Test. vs } The def't. appears still refusing. Jon'n Robins } It is order that he be fined 30 & proc. END [My Note - The above court case is Jonathan Robins refusing to declare fidelity to the state of New Jersey during the Revolutionary War and being fined ... rather heftily I might add.] So many Jonathans so little time. I see it possible that he was and that he wasn't the same Jonathan that gave supplies to the Patriots. I noticed in your mention of blankets that there was a value put to that item of [pounds] 4.2.6. Would you know if that was simply the value put on the articles or an amount actually paid to Jonathan, or even due for collection at a later date. Cold hard cash could be motivation for people struggling for a living in time of war. I suppose there are many reasons why the same man might give to the cause (per the Stratford and Wilson book) and at the same time refuse to fight for the cause. Does anyone know ... as a Friend I know that you were not supposed to fight ... but does being a Friend also require you not to aid the fight in any way? Also, these could be two different Jonathan ROBINS. This is all true. But is providing blankets to men that are ragged and cold an act of aiding a soldier, or simply an act of humanity? From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marshall Lake [mlake@mlake.net] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] ROBINS - Rev War > I noticed in your mention of blankets that there was a value put to that > item of [pounds] 4.2.6. Would you know if that was simply the value put > on the articles or an amount actually paid to Jonathan, or even due for > collection at a later date. In the preface it states: "The basic record is an account book which lists the transactions in order by certificate number. This book is document no. 7363 in the series mentioned. As he or an assistant, usually John Chamberlain, issued the certificates (in lieu of cash), signed receipts were taken from the recipients. The person signing the receipt, however, was not always the same as the person named in the account book." From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Digest Number 270 Peggy, Thank you for sharing these records as they are important to the line we are discussing. I wonder if the Greer name is really meant to be Green. I don't see Green Robbins d.1/12/1868 on the list at the Presbyterian Church Cemetery. He is listed among the Civil War soldiers from NJ & is recorded to be buried at Presbyterian Church Cemetery at Mt. Pleasant, Hunterdon Co. Could I be referring to another cemetery for Green Robbins than the one you posted? Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] from JKArthur on Jonathan Robins Gary, I don't know a lot about the Thatchers either & they certainly aren't on my list to research. Just from a quick review of what is available for this family, it appears there isn't a lot of information on the NJ Thatchers & what they do have hasn't been sorted out & confirmed with the proper documentation. I understand your reluctance to accept the Thatcher genealogies at face value. Thanks for your input. Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of jkarthur@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Digest Number 270 Christiana Sharps was a Vanover....she married John Sharps. His second wife was Jemima, who is mentioned in his will. Jonathan Green Robbins, who died in 1840 is the son of Jonathan Robbins 1744-1867. His mother was Mary. He left his money to his mother and his real estate to his father. My cousin and I think Mary, wife of Jonathan, is a Sharps. We think her parents are John Sharps and Christiana Vanover, but have no proof. Judy Arthur From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Digest Number 270 Peggy: I'm not sure this has any meaning concerning your statement about Sharps being in the Greenwich Presbyterian Church but no Vanovers. It is my understanding from the Vanover Book that Vanovers were settled in Flatbush, Brooklyn NY. I believe they were members of the Dutch Reformed Church. I don't know how Christianna came to meet John Sharps. The Sharps name is apparently a shortened version of the German Sharpenstein. This family may have had Presbyterian leanings in their roots. Here is a link to the Vanover Book. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/u/r/Mary-lee-Burgess/FILE/0001page.html Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Isaac Robins 1741 Amwell will & INV Having all of the names in a will and inventory can be very helpful. From Isaac Robins 1741 will & inventory I find on Hammond Map F: a) His father 2-Daniel's land is located at the southern edge of Sergeantville (below Flemington). b) Amos Thatcher (an executor) is located at the northedge of 2-Daniel in Sergeantville; Lydia Thatcher was a witness c) His inventory was taken by W. Montgomerie, Charles Woolverton and Peter Johnson. Map F shows Wm Montgomery and Charles Woolverton were located about two miles west of Sergeantville. These were his neighbors -- common for inventories. John Taylor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Genetic Genealogy Marshall: Regarding your query about Isaac Robins being a common ancestor for both of us, He is not in my direct line. I believe that Isaacs father Jonathan, (born circa 1720) is also the father of my John Robins. I know that some claim that this Jonathan had sons Isaac & Jonathan and four un-named daughters. And this is because of a statement by a Moses Robins, who is supposed to be Jonathans grandson. Now I haven't verified Moses relationship to Jonathan Robins in order to know that he is indeed talking about Jonathan Robins Sr. However I know that John Robins: 1. Lived in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co, NJ 2. Died before his father. 3. Will states that his son Robert is to go and live with his grandfather Robins to learn the weavers trade. And that Jonathan Robins: 1. Lived in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co, NJ 2. Died 8 years after John Robins. 3. Inventory of his estate included 3 spinning wheels, a loom wool and woolen cloth and a brush for separating the long wool fibers from the short wool fibers. Furthermore I know that Johns 1st son was named Jonathan we believe after his father. His 2nd son was named Robert, we believe after his wife's father, and his 3rd son after himself. Roberts 1st son was named John after his father. 2nd son Cornelius after his wife's grandfather, 3 son Jonathan after his fathers father, 4th son Peter after his wife's brother, 5th son Robert after his mothers father, 6th son Isaac (we believe after his grandfathers father*), 7th son Jacob after his wife's father, 8th son William (we can't yet guess why) * I believe that if Robert lived with his grandfather for 8 years, that he had plenty of time to learn his great-grand fathers name. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: ROBINS of Hunterdon Co, NJ Marshall: Am I to understand that you believe there were 3 Jonathan Robins? Were they all related? I know that the NJ Calendar of wills shows that both Jonathan Robins Sr and Jonathan Robins Jr had their estates inventoried on the same day in 1796. Were they not father and son. Jonathan Srs estate included the tools for weaving, and with Robert to learn weaving from his grandfather, along with John naming the 1st son Jonathan, I have to believe that Jonathan Robins Sr was his grandfather. Do you believe that your Jonathan precedes these or is totally unrelated. Daniel Jr had a son Jonathan, who may have ended up in Bethlehem township. This is the individual that Chuck Poley has attributed to the 1774 death intestate. This does indeed open other possibilities. Daniel Jrs son Isaacs will names 2 sons and a total of 6 children. If the other 4 children were not named because they were female, then of course I can not be his descendent. But since Jonathan was also a son of Daniel Jr, he could have lived in the right area. Nobody seems to know who he was married to or what his children's names were. He could have easily been the father of my Jonathan Robins Sr, who should have been a Junior. But my Junior may have assumed the title of Sr when his father died and he, himself had a son named Jonathan. I don't know how they handled that situation in those days. So another avenue to explore. Anyway Isaacs name isn't chiseled in stone as my paper trail hasn't yet reached him. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: ROBINS of Hunterdon Co, NJ Marshall: > 1. Moses ROBINS is a son of Jonathan ROBINS and Charity LOMPING (married > first to John LAWSHE). > 2. Jonathan ROBINS is a son of Jonathan ROBINS and Mary HUFF > 3. Jonathan ROBINS is a son of Jonathan ROBINS who you mention as > believing to be the father of your John ROBINS. (So there were three > > consecutive Jonathan ROBINS.) I don't believe that Mary Huff was married to this Jonathan Robins, because a). he was about 22 years older than her. b)He died in 1796 and yet Mary had 5 children born after this date, (not counting the one born in 1796) I do believe that Mary huff was more likely married to Jonathan Robins, (son of Isaac & Susannah) Isaac being the brother to the Jonathan you mentioned. My suggested Jonathan was the right age, (2 years older than Mary Huff), and his date of death hasn't been established yet. Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: Robins NJ to PA That BTW could lead to a lot of confusion in an already confusing area. Putting that aside for a moment, I would like to voice my thoughts on some of the Jonathan Robins of Hunterdon County. From NJ Calendar of Wills Item 1. 1796, Oct. 18. Robins, Jonathan, Sr., of Alexandrix Twsp., Hunterdon Co. Int. Adm'r - Jonathan Robins of Greenwich Twsp., Sussex Co. Fellow bondsmen John Cooley and Henry Mettler; both of Alexandria Twsp., said Co. Lib. 36, p.308 1796, Oct 14. Inventory £182.5.2;made by John Cooley and William Mettler. 1798, Feb. 6. Account by the Adm'r £194.18.4 File 1768J Item 2. 1796, Oct. 18. Robins, Jonathan, Jr., of Hunterdon Co. Int. Adm'r - Jonathan Johnson. Fellow bondsmen John Cooley and Henry Mettler; all of Alexandria Twsp., said Co. Lib. 36, p. 308 1796, Oct 14. Inventory £313.13.1; made by William Mettler and John Cooley File 1767J I have to observe that these 2 individuals must have lived close to each other, because the inventories were accomplished by the same people on the same day. I would assume that this fact along with the fact that one was a Sr and the other a Jr, that they were probably father and son It is even possible that these 2 people died together, especially if a family relationship existed. THAT IS CONJECTURE. we don't have the cause of death available. It might be helpful if we can determine who the adminsitrators were and what vested interest they had in the estates. Now for Jonathan Robins, there were several around that could qualify: 1. There was the oldest son of John Robins, (already deceased) and Elizabeth., He would have been about 22, (appropriate age) at the time, and the estate papers at the time of his death state that he Lived in Greenwich Township, (right place). 2. There was the oldest son of Isaac Robins, (already deceased) and Susannah. He would have been about 34, (right age). And we know he was supposedly born in Bethlehem Township, so that's close enough to be related. However we don't know where he lived at the time of Jonathan Srs death. 3. Jonathan Robins son of Mary Huff was only 3 years old These are the ones I am aware of, and there were undoubtably others. If I had to hazard a guess I would lean towards the son of Isaac and Susannah, because it is my understanding that the property of Jonathan Robins Sr or at least some of it ended up in the hands of his sister Diana when there was a devision of estate to which she was supposed to have been a player. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "july37" Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:10:36 -0700 1761, Feb 16. Ely, Jacob of Greenwich, Sussex Co., tailor; will of, to my sister's children, John Hunt, Joshua Hunt & Sarah Hunt, 10 pounds each. Rest of my estate to my brother Isaac Ely's children, & to my brother, Thomas Ely's children and to my sister Sarah Hunt's children & to my sister Elizabeth Powmer's children. Executors my friends, Wm Bishop & Jonathan Robins. Witnesses-Christopher Folkenberg, Christian Sharpenstine. Proved April 2, 1761. 1761, March 7. Inventory 564.18.11 pounds Made by Christyon Sharpenstine & Wm Robins. Source: Docuemnts Relating to the Colonial History of the State of New Jersey Vol. IV (1761-1770) Lib 10, pg. 569. Note the Sharpenstine name. I believe the Sharpenstine name was shortened to Sharps. Col. Jonathan Robins married Mary Sharps. They had a daughter named Christianna. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries Does anyone have any information on these Unsolved Mysteries ?? [F] JONATHAN AND MARY ROBINS, LEBANON TOWNSHIP WHO ARE HIS PARENTS? Jonathan married a Mary Fusler/Vossler on 17 Jan 1807 so he was born c 1780 to 1785. In 1807 by deed Book 14 page 31 they bought 1+ acres in Lebanon twp. In 1812, by deed Book 19 page 129, they bought another 1+ acres in Lebanon twp. In 1817, by deed Book 27 page 278, they sold 1+ acres in Lebanon twp. Marshall Lake [Robbins Family of South Jersey Forum] says that Jonathan<92>s wife is likely Mary Vossler who was born 20 Sep 1785 in Somerset County and was the daughter of Jacob and Sarah (Casner). The mother of this Jonathan is Eva Force (b 9/8/1763) who wed 2nd an Aumock. Jonathan and family with Eva<92>s family moved to Palmyra, NY in December of 1826 and then to Wheatland twp., Hillsdale County, MI in the spring of 1835. The children of Jonathan and Mary were: John, Jacob, William, Sarah, James, Thomas, Mary and Elias. [G] JOHN AND ABIGAIL ROBINS, ALEXANDRIA TOWNSHIP. WHO ARE HIS PARENTS? In 1825 per deed Book 39 page 218 they sold 284 acres from her father John Canley<92>s estate. [H] PRIME ROBINS, TRENTON WHO ARE HIS PARENTS? In 1808 per deed Book 15 page 135, he bought a 17 perch lot in Trenton. He was also named with a Dorcas Robins. John Taylor From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries John: I don't know if this is any help but here is an extract from a rootsweb thread. Considering that Eva Force gave birth to a second husbands child circa 1808 - perhaps Jonathans father was the Jonathan Robins Jr that died in 1796? Gary 1. JONATHAN ROBINS 1. JONATHAN ROBINS (1), the head of this branch of the "Robins" Family was born in Lebanon, Hunterdon County, New Jersey, November 8, 1785. We have no record of his father's name and have been unable to obtain it. The Genealogical Society of Salt Lake City, Utah, searched their "Robins" records and also wrote to Lebanon, Hunterdon County, New Jersey, but could obtain no records there. Those records were probably burned during the Revolutionary War. His mother's name was Eva Force. She was born September 8, 1763. Place of birth not known. After the death of her first husband she married a man by the name of Aumock. They had one son, Joseph Aumock, born August 6, 1808 in New Jersey, and died October 24, 1870, in Wheatland Township, Hillsdale County, Michigan. He was married in Adams, Hillsdale County, Michigan, to Mary Ann Crissy, May 30, 1849. CHILDREN OF JOSEPH (AUMOCK) (half brother of Jonathan Robins) and MARY ANN (CRISSY) AUMOCK. Helen Eliza Aumock died at the age of 19 years Elias Aumock died in the summer of 1911 Della Aumock Swartz Frank Aumock Eva Force Robins Aumock (known as "Granny" Aumock) died in Wheatland Township, Hillsdale County, Michigan, March 24, 1849. Jonathan Robins and Mary Vossler were married January 17, 1807. Mary Vossler was born in Somerville, Somerset County, New Jersey, December 20, 1785. Her father served for seven years as a soldier in the Revolutionary War, giving us the title of Sons and daughters of the Revolution. Her father was Jacob Vossler and her mother, Sarah Casner Vossler. Their children were: Pheba Vossler married John Scott Lena Vossler married James Force Kate Vossler married Stevenson Mary Vossler married Jonathan Robins Ann Vossler married James Duffy Jacob Vossler John Vossler George Vossler Peter Vossler This is the link http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/NJHUNTER/2006-02/1140744359 Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries Gary, Thanks for the response re Jonathan of Lebanon. I went to your link and saw that Sharon Murray posted it in February. I asked her for the source. This appears to be the same info that Marshall obtained. Your thought that he might be the son of 1796 Jonathan Jr sounds like a good possibility. On 4/10/1817 [Hunterdon deed 27-278] John/Eva Aumock & Jonathan/Mary Robins sold 1+ acres in Lebanon to Thomas Force, all of Lebanon twp. On 5/2/1817 [deed 27-454] John G/Jane Robins of Mansfield, Sussex Co. sold 3 acres in Lebanon twp. to John Omack (Aumock) of Lebanon twp. This must be John Green and Jane (Van Horn) Robins son of John Robins who was the son of 1796 Jonathan Sr. This adds to your suggestion that this Jonathan might be the son of 1796 Jonathan Jr. John From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Jonathan Robins John: I have no idea which Jonathan Robins this refers too, perhaps the other names are of some help. Gary Northwestern New Jersey Lewis Historical Publishing Co 1927 Pg 868 In 1767 we find these additional names (among the tenants of Sir Robert Barker in Alexandria Township) Philip Bear, Philip Fine, Thomas Riche (Richey?), Martin Swick, Henry Rose, Junius Swick, James Wycoff, John Roberts, Jonathan Robins, Mrs Daniel, John Crimer, John Hanton, Baltis Tomer and George Corwine. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Jonathan Robins The "Robins Family" by Elizabeth Robins Wood written in 1900 is where the history & genealogy of Jonathan Robins b. 11/8/1785 in Lebanon, Hunterdon Co. originated. Mrs Wood was a descendant of this line & states in her work that the father of Jonathan Robins is unknown. There is a slight chance that research in Hillside Co., MI could uncover more information. This is where Jonathan died on 6/25/1838 & wife Mary Vossler Robins died on 3/18/1865. According to Mrs. Wood, all their children lived & died there too except son Thomas who migrated in 1884 to Anderson Co, Kansas and died at Lone Elm, Kansas in 1898. I expect there may be living descendants of this Jonathan & Mary. Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Jonathan Robins An additional note on the Jonathan & Mary Vossler Robins family. This history can be found under "History & Genealogy of the Robins Family" FHL US/CAN Fiche (6017386) & can be ordered for viewing from any FHL. The FHL has Addie Robbins Wilson as the main author but the actual book gives the title as "Robins Family" & states Elizabeth Robins Wood was the author in 1900 & a 2nd printing was done by Mrs. Wilson in 1948. It appears to me that other sources who give this same information base it on the work of Mrs Wood, unless there is another publication with the same material. Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of turkeypt2 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] History & Genealogy of the Robins Family The history & genealogy of the family of Jonathan & Mary Robins can be ordered for viewing at any FHL by FHL US/CAN Fiche (6017386). The FHL publication names Addie Robbins Wilson as the author but the actual book states it was written by Elizabeth Robins Wood in 1900 who was a descendant of this family. The book was titled "Robins Family" & a 2nd printing was done by Mrs. Wilson in 1948. I believe Mrs. Wilson may have been a daughter of Mrs. Wood or a close relative. The work of Mrs. Wood appears to be the orginal source for the information passed around by researchers unless there is a similar publication by another author. I hope researchers will remember to credit Elizabeth Robins Wood for the very interesting history & genealogy she compiled on her family line 106 yrs ago. Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marshall Lake [mlake@mlake.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: Unsolved Mysteries > Does anyone have any information on these Unsolved Mysteries ?? > > [F] JONATHAN AND MARY ROBINS, LEBANON TOWNSHIP > WHO ARE HIS PARENTS? Jonathan married a Mary Fusler/Vossler on 17 Jan > 1807 so he was born c 1780 to 1785. In 1807 by deed Book 14 page 31 they > bought 1+ acres in Lebanon twp. In 1812, by deed Book 19 page 129, they > bought another 1+ acres in Lebanon twp. In 1817, by deed Book 27 page > 278, they sold 1+ acres in Lebanon twp. From a note I have from Marfy Goodspeed, Andrew ROBINS (b c1738, son of Job ROBINS): 1772 May 6, Buys 100 acres Lebanon from John Shader [per Dd 52-351]. 1773 May 6, Sells 100 acres Lebanon to Nicholas Trimmer [per Dd 52-351]. I wonder if this Jonathan ROBINS could be connected to this family? John, in your deed collection are there any other ROBINS deeds in Lebanon Twp? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Unsolved Mysteries, Johathan Lebanon Thanks to your great help, I have updated this Unsolved Mystery for your review/comments. John Taylor HUNTERDON COUNTY [D] JONATHAN AND MARY ROBINS, LEBANON TOWNSHIP WHO ARE HIS PARENTS? From what follows, there seems to be a close relationship to the descendants of Jonathan Robins, Sr [A] above who died in 1796. It has been suggested, NOT PROVEN, that Jonathan might be the son of Jonathan Jr. in [A] above.. The "Robins Family", Elizabeth Robbins Wood, 1900 is about this family [contained in "History & Genealogy of the Robins Family" FHL US/CAN Fiche (6017386) and can be ordered from FHL] Jonathan was born on 8 Nov 1785 in Lebanon, Hunterdon Co. He married Mary Vossler on 17 Jan 1807. Mary was born 20 Dec 1785 in Somerville, Somerset Co., NJ. Mary was the daughter of Jacob & Sarah Casner Vossler. Her father Jacob served seven years as a soldier in the Revolutionary War. Jonathan<92>s mother was Eva Force who was born on 8 Sep 1763. After the death of her first husband, she wed a Aumock [John per deed below]. Eva and John had son Joseph born 6 Aug 1808 NJ; Joseph died 24 Oct 1870 in Wheatland twp, Hillsdale Co., MI. Eva/John and Jonathan/Mary and families moved to Palmyra, NY in Dec 1826 and then to Wheatland in the spring of 1835. Eva Force Robins Aumock (known as "Granny " Aumock) died in Wheatland on 24 Mar 1849. Joseph Aumock, Jonathan<92>s half brother, married Mary Ann Crissy on 30 May 1849 in Adams, Hillsdale Co., MI. They had children: Helen Eliza, Elias, Della and Frank. Jonathan & Mary Vossler Robins, in 1807 by Hunterdon deed [14-31], bought 1+ acres in Lebanon twp. & in 1812, by deed [19-129], they bought another 1+ acres in Lebanon twp. On 4/10/1817 [Hunterdon deed 27-278] John/Eva Aumock & Jonathan/Mary Robins sold 1+ acres in Lebanon to Thomas Force, all of Lebanon twp. This deed gives us John<92>s name and ties Jonathan and his mother Eva together as common land owners. It also gives us a connection to the Force family. On 5/2/1817 [deed 27-454] John G/Jane Robins of Mansfield, Sussex Co. sold 3 acres in Lebanon twp. to John Omack (Aumock) of Lebanon twp. This must be John Green and Jane (Van Horn) Robins son of John Robins who was the son of 1796 Jonathan Sr. in [A] above. Jonathan ROBINS (1785 NJ-18__ ) = 1807= Mary VOSSLER (1785NJ-18__) ...John ROBINS ...Jacob ROBINS ...William ROBINS ...Sarah ROBINS ...James ROBINS ...Thomas ROBINS ...Mary ROBINS ...Elias ROBINS From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: Unsolved Mysteries Marshall wrote re Jonathan of Lebanon. >John, in your deed collection are there any other ROBINS deeds in Lebanon Twp? SEE MY LATEST UP DATE ON Jonathan of Lebanon. It discusses two Robins-Aumock deeds. I find Marfy's deed 52-351 deed reference interesting. Book 52 has 1832 recorded deeds. I didn't pick this up as my every deed analysis went through 1828 recorded deeds. It must have been a much later deed, recorded in 1832, that references the 1772 and 1773 transactions. As I have been saying, early deeds can be referenced in unexpected places. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:59 PM Cc: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: Unsolved Mysteries Jonathan/Lebanon Marshall you wrote: >From a note I have from Marfy Goodspeed, Andrew ROBINS (b c1738, son of >Job ROBINS): >1772 May 6, Buys 100 acres Lebanon from John Shader [per Dd 52-351]. >1773 May 6, Sells 100 acres Lebanon to Nicholas Trimmer [per Dd 52-351]. >I wonder if this Jonathan ROBINS could be connected to this family? On Hammomd Map B I see a Trimmer had a Lebanon tract between Little Brook and Vernoy near the Morris Co. border. [John Shader is not on the Map] This is close to Middle Valley where 2-Daniel owned early land that I felt he never lived on. We don't know where the 100 acres were located but they could be here. The Lebanon lots that I cited are small lots and likely in a town -- will look closely at those deeds for clues as to where they may have been located. At this point this is a good lead that I will add to the Jonathan write up. I am inclined to think, but don't know, that Jonathan was located closer to what is now Bethlehem twp. Several in the group have been tracking John Green Robins and may know what he was doing, and where, in Lebanon twp. in 1817 when he sold 3 acres there to John Aumock. When someone goes to Flemington, he or she should get us a copy of the 1832 deed 52-351 that references the 1772 and 1773 transactions. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: Unsolved Mysteries Re Jonathan of Lebanon. Jonathan's deeds 14-31 and 19-129 were bounded by Hazelett and Hazard. They are both shown on Hammond Map BC1 at New Hampton, Lebanon twp. In the same vicinity are Tom, Joe and James Force. Deed 27-454 [John Green Robins to John Aumock] is by Adam Runkle's land shown on MapBD1 in Glen Gardner and within 2 miles of New Hampton. There is no question that Jonathan and Mary Vossler Robins lived in this area which is just east of Bethlehem twp. in Lebanon twp From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: Unsolved Mysteries Jonathan/Lebanon John: I posted the marriage records. The book is posted on my web site if people are interested in looking up other names. Concerning John G Robbins - I have the following information for you. Copies of the census records are available if you need them. From History of Sussex and Warren Counties NJ Compiled by James P. Snell Published Everts & Peck 1881 Page 564 John G. Robbins was an early resident in Washington. He had a saddlery ship, a shoemaker shop and the Post office all in the same building, and in one room. The house is still standing on the north side of Washington Avenue, and owned by Elisha Bard. Page 565 Mr Robbins was one of the early postmasters, which duty took so little of his time that he had ample chance to engage in his trade, harness making, and to manage the shoe shop, of which he was also proprietor. Not being a shoemaker, he employed a knight of St. Crispin, who pegged away until the last upon the soles of the dozen or so settlers of the neighborhood. Jonathan G., a son of John G., now resides in the borough. Page 714 Early Settlers in the central part of the township, in what is now known as the borough of Washington, were the Laceys, Van Horns, Van Nattas, Crevelings, Van Dorens. In the history of Washington borough, elsewhere given, will be found special mention of the above. Garret Lacey and Jacob Van Horn were early justices; Maj Hankinson was an early lawyer; Henry Hughs an early physician; John G. Robbins was the first Harness-maker, and an early Postmaster; And Capt Henry, Imla Drake, and John Bevers pioneer innkeepers. ==================================================================================================== CENSUS RECORDS SHOWING WHERE JOHN G ROBBINS LIVED 1830 Mansfield Township, Warren County Male 2 10-15, 1 40-50 Female 1 <5, 1 15-20, 1 30-40 1840 Mansfield Township, Warren County Male 1 50-60 Female 1 10-15, 1 40-50 1850 Washington Township, Warren County John G. Robbins, Age 64 Saddler Born in NJ Jane Robbins, Age 59 Born in NJ Ellen Robbins, Age 24 Born in NJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM] [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: DNA-Unsolved Mysteries The "History & Genealogy of the Robins Family" by Elizabeth Robins Wood begins with Jonathan Robins 1785-1838, NJ to MI. There should be living Robins descendants as the author names several Robins males born as late as 1947. It would take some searching to locate these men assuming they all are alive. I don't know what the protocol would be for making a personal contact with unknown Robins for DNA testing. My thoughts are that asking a total stranger to take a DNA test is a very personal matter. Some may think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread & jump on board immediately & others may consider it an invasion of their privacy & be offended. Another thought to be considered before proceeding is who will pay for the test? Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM] [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: DNA-Unsolved Mysteries Sara, Re Jonathan Robins (1765 NJ-1838 MI}. Assume we locate a living male Robins descendant. I would not mention our DNA activity initially. I would tell him about our group and tell him what we know about his ancestors. Assume we then have his interest; tell him about the DNA project as a way that we could determine if he is related to Daniel and Hope and proceed from there. John From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM] [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: DNA-Unsolved Mysteries John, You are one of the most tactful & diplomatic gentlemen I know. If anyone can persuade an unknown Robins relative to take the test, it would be you. If you want the names & dates from the book on the possible living descendants I will send them to you off the forum. This way we aren't publicly posting personal information on living persons. Sara From: John W Taylor [Johntaylor6@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: [SPAM] [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] DNA-Unsolved Mysteries "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey", pages 39 through 47, cover Unsolved Mysteries. It would be very helpful to have DNA samples from any of their descendants as it would verify if they are or are not from Daniel and Hope Robins. The big problem is that 9 or 10 all male generations from Daniel/Hope are needed for DNA tests. I feel that we should be able to find a living male Robins/Robbins from at least these 4 Unsolved Mysteries. A] PAGE 40 - Jonathan Robins who died in 1796. I believe Gary Robins and Calvin Robbins are from this line. [have either of them been DNA tested?] B] PAGE 42 - William Robins, Bethlehem Township, died in 1811. Most of his children moved to Columbia County, PA including sons Thomas, Jonathan, Daniel and John. Is anyone aware of a living male Robins/Robbins descendant of one of these sons? If no one is known, maybe we should try to find out if there is one? Does any group member live in or near Columbia County, PA ? C] PAGE 44 & 45 - Jonathan Robins, Lebanon Township, died in 1838 in Michigan. There should be a male Robins descendant from one of his 5 sons. Does anyone have further info on these sons that is not in the book? Four sons died in Michigan and Thomas in Kansas. D] PAGE 47 - Daniel Robins of Northumberland County, PA. Also see article pages 396 and 397 in the book; this article mentions sons John, Martin and Daniel W and their children. It is very likely that there is a living male Robins from them. Please look at the Unsolved Mysteries section to see if you heve anything further to add. John Taylor From: Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] DNA-Unsolved Mysteries John: You are correct. I'm a descendent of the man referred to as Jonathan Robins Sr. that died in 1796. Yes I did have my DNA tested, for 37 markers. I suppose that Tom hasn't gotten his test results back yet. Gary D. Robins - gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net - www.robinsgenealogy.net From: townonenorth [townonenorth@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: [SPAM] [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: DNA-Unsolved Mysteries --- In Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com , John W Taylor wrote: > > "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey", pages 39 through 47, cover Unsolved > Mysteries. It would be very helpful to have DNA samples from any of > their descendants as it would verify if they are or are not from Daniel > and Hope Robins. The big problem is that 9 or 10 all male generations > from Daniel/Hope are needed for DNA tests. > > C] PAGE 44 & 45 - Jonathan Robins, Lebanon Township, died in 1838 in > Michigan. There should be a male Robins descendant from one of his 5 > sons. Does anyone have further info on these sons that is not in the > book? Four sons died in Michigan and Thomas in Kansas. Rootsweb search for Jonathan has John Robins-Wells file there, seems to be a LOT of male Robins in his family. From: Marshall Lake [mlake@mlake.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: [SPAM] [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: DNA-Unsolved Mysteries From: John W Taylor > B] PAGE 42 - William Robins, Bethlehem Township, died in 1811. Most of > his children moved to Columbia County, PA including sons Thomas, > Jonathan, Daniel and John. Is anyone aware of a living male > Robins/Robbins descendant of one of these sons? If no one is known, > maybe we should try to find out if there is one? Does any group member > live in or near Columbia County, PA ? Maybe the following line somehow stems from William ROBINS ... Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:03:43 EST From: SeekinFamily@aol.com Subject: [NJHUNTER] Robbins, Luzerne and Columbia Cty, PA (maybe NJ) Anyone out there researching the name of Johnson Robbins. Born about 1814, maybe in Hunterdon Cty, NJ and died 1882 in Luzerne Cty, PA. I have him in Columbia Cty, PA in 1850 and in Luzerne Cty, PA 1860, 1870 and 1880. 1850 census says he was born in NJ. Is there anyone out there who can help? I would appreciate any help and I would like to share info. Thanks for your time! Tina *******Please take a moment to review my Robbins line and see if anyone looks familiar... Descendants of Johnson Robbins 1 Johnson Robbins b: Abt. 1814 in ??, New Jersey (? Twp/Hunterdon Cty) d: Mar 08, 1882 in New Columbus, PA (New Columbus Boro/Luzerne Cty) .. +Catherine Campbell(Robbins) b: Mar 12, 1816 in ??, PA d: Apr 19, 1891 in New Columbus, PA (New Columbus Boro/Luzerne Cty) . 2 William V. Robbins b: Feb 10, 1848 d: Jan 13, 1902 in (or 31st)New Columbus, PA (New Columbus Boro/Luzerne Cty) ..... +Ella Lanette Keeler(Robbins) b: Feb 24, 1863 in ??, PA (? Twp/Luzerne Cty) d: 1935 in New Columbus, PA (New Columbus Boro/Luzerne Cty) ..... 3 Dean Cooly Robbins b: Aug 16, 1883 in Cambra, PA (Huntington T wp/Luzerne Cty) d: May 08, 1946 in Register, PA (Huntington Twp/Luzerne Cty) ......... +Viola Mae Stout(Robbins) b: Mar 28, 1880 in ??, PA (Sugarloaf Twp/Columbia Cty) d: May 31, 1966 in Register, PA (Huntington Twp/Luzerne Cty) ......... 4 Homer H. Robbins b: Nov 21, 1909 in Cambra, PA (Huntington Twp/Luzerne Cty) d: Apr 12, 2003 in Huntington Mills, PA (Huntington Twp/Luzerne Cty) ............. +Edna Mae Augustine(Robbins) b: Apr 06, 1908 in Berwick, PA (? Twp/Columbia Cty) d: Oct 29, 1997 in Register, PA (Huntington Twp/Luzerne Cty) (Bonham's Nursing Home) ......3 Genevra Robbins(Westover) b: Jan 1881 d: 1918 in Cambra, PA (Huntington Twp/Luzerne Cty) ......... +Fred L. Westover b: 1879 d: 1947 ..... 3 Anna Robbins(Zimmerman) b: Apr 1885 in ??, PA d: 1944 ......... +Ray Zimmerman b: 1875 d: 1947 ..... 3 Marjorie Robbins b: Jun 1887 d: Jan 18, 1888 ..... 3 Harry E. Robbins b: Jul 12, 1889 in ??, PA d: May 05, 1952 in New Columbus, PA (New Columbus Boro/Luzerne Cty) ......... +Wava F. Bowman(Robbins) b: Jan 10, 1897 in ??, PA d: 1985 in New Columbus, PA (New Columbus Boro/Luzerne Cty) ......... 4 Carl Robbins b: Mar 29, 1921 in Cambra, PA (Huntington Twp/Luzerne Cty) d: Dec 01, 1992 ..... 3 Homer Robbins b: Oct 1891 d: Sep 14, 1892 in New Columbus, PA (New Columbus Boro/Luzerne Cty) . 2 John A. Robbins b: Abt. 1844 d: Jan 11, 1861 . 2 Aaron S. Robbins b: 1850 d: Jun 25, 1852 . 2 Mary Robbins b: 1851 . 2 Rosabell Robbins(Hartman) b: Abt. 1857 ..... +William A. Hartman . 2 Abagail Robbins b: Abt. 1853 From: july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: DNA-Unsolved Mysteries From: John W Taylor Marshall, We had a similar inquiry regarding Johnson Robbins b. 1814 on 11/5/05 Message # 295. We weren't able to connect to 1-Daniel at that time. It would be interesting to know if the inquirer has looked for a death certificate or obituary on Johnson Robbins 1814-1882. There's a very good chance this is a 1-Daniel line & your thought it somehow stems from William Robbins seems quite possible to me. Sara -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of judith.arthur [jkennedya@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Jonathan Robbins/Robins When I received the papers which established Jonathan Robins (1), the connection to his son, Jonathan who was married to Elizabeth, was through his will. DAR accepted that as proof and then went further by agreeing to the connection to Jonathan Robbins of Sussex/Warren County who married Mary? He is now established as the grandson of the 1722 Jonathan Robins. He died in 1867 and is buried in the Greenwich Cemetery. I really don't think there is anything else to give you as proof. Certainly, the whole line is very confusing. If you don't think it is correct, what do you think is the answer? Judith K. Arthur From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Sara Hoffman [july37@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Jonathan Robbins/Robins Judy, I appreciate all the research you have done on this line of John Robins, Sr & for providing us the D.A.R. record. The D.A.R.'s anaylsis concludes John was a probable son of Jonathan & not a proven one so they were not completely convinced when they approved the application. However, for the majority of researchers, the D.A.R. stamp of approval will elevate this relationship from a probable one into the realm of fact. This is unfortunate because it's doubtful any research will continue on the father of John Robins, Sr. We agree that this line is confusing & that there doesn't appear to be anything else right now to prove this relationship. You were certainly thorough & left no stones unturned in your research. I'm unable provide an answer or add anything new. However, I would like to see the door left open for questions & continued research on the Jonathans & the father of John Robins, Sr. Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marshall Lake [mlake@mlake.net] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: Jonathan Robbins/Robins I'm confused. > When I received the papers which established Jonathan Robins (1), the > connection to his son, Jonathan who was married to Elizabeth, was > through his will. Are you referring to the will of Jonathan who married Elizabeth? What year was his will proved? > DAR accepted that as proof and then went further by agreeing to the > connection to Jonathan Robbins of Sussex/Warren County who married Mary? > He is now established as the grandson of the 1722 Jonathan Robins. He > died in 1867 and is buried in the Greenwich Cemetery. I really don't > think there is anything else to give you as proof. The Jonathans I was referring to in a previous post were the two who died in Alexandria Twp seemingly around the same time in 1796. Neither Jonathan had a will. One Jonathan was referred to as Sr and the other Jonathan was referred to as Jr in their inventories. There was a Jonathan ROBINS of Sussex/Warren Co who administered both inventories (from memory). I assume that was the same Jonathan who was established as a grandson who you mention above. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of judith.arthur [jkennedya@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: Jonathan Robbins/Robins --- In Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > I'm confused. > > > When I received the papers which established Jonathan Robins (1), the > > connection to his son, Jonathan who was married to Elizabeth, was > > through his will. > > Are you referring to the will of Jonathan who married Elizabeth? What > year was his will proved? > > > DAR accepted that as proof and then went further by agreeing to the > > connection to Jonathan Robbins of Sussex/Warren County who married Mary? > > He is now established as the grandson of the 1722 Jonathan Robins. He > > died in 1867 and is buried in the Greenwich Cemetery. I really don't > > think there is anything else to give you as proof. > > The Jonathans I was referring to in a previous post were the two who died > in Alexandria Twp seemingly around the same time in 1796. Neither > Jonathan had a will. One Jonathan was referred to as Sr and the other > Jonathan was referred to as Jr in their inventories. > > There was a Jonathan ROBINS of Sussex/Warren Co who administered both > inventories (from memory). I assume that was the same Jonathan who was > established as a grandson who you mention above. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://mlake.net > Maybe it was the settlement of the estate, not a will. I am, too, doing this from memory. I think we are discussing the same Jonathan Robbins/Robins. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:54 am ((PDT)) John Robins (1751-1789) names a brother, Jonathan, as an executor in his Will. Any ideas on Jonathan? I’ve found Jonathan Robins born 1759 NJ, died Aug. 18, 1824, Franklin, Warren County, OH, married Effie Hamilin born Aug. 11, 1763, Warren County, NJ. He and Effie are on findagrave.com. I can’t find any other record for him. Supposedly, they had a son, John, born Dec. 25, 1786 PA. Posted by: gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:26 am ((PDT)) More Robins ... Johan Frederick Mutschler/Mutchler born 1724 Germany, died Aug. 31, 1794 Greenwich Twp, Warren County, NJ. He was a member of the Straw Church, Phillipsburg, Greenwich Twp. Children: 1) Emma b. 1768 m. William Robbins 2) Anna b. June 14, 1776 m. John Robbins William and Emma had a daughter, Anna, born July 7, 1796, who was baptized at the Straw Church. William was recorded as Wilhelm. Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@cox.net turkeypt2 Date: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:59 am ((PDT)) Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed on pg. 185 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel & Hope. We know through DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to their inventories being taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan's estate. In 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the work are no longer active researchers. Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@cox.net turkeypt2 Date: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:27 am ((PDT)) Some thoughts regarding Jonathan Sr. 1722-1796 & Jonathan Robins, Jr. 1748-1796. Jonathan Johnson was the administrator of Jonathan Jr's estate. I don't believe we know the relationship between Jonathan Jr. & Jonathan Johnson. Maybe a grandson? John Cooley & Henry Mettler both of Alexandria Township took the inventories of Jonathan Sr. & Jonathan Jr's estate. They were neighbors of Jonathan Sr. & I wonder if they were also related to the Robins family? Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@cox.net turkeypt2 Date: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:30 am ((PDT)) The parents of William Robins are unknown at this time. What we know about William Robins comes from his Rev. War pension records. He had 10 children that are named in a Bible record & also in his Rev. War records. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marshall Lake [mlake@mlake.net] Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] ROBINS Line in Hunterdon Co & New Member I've recently come in contact with Charles J ALLEN (a recent new member on this list). Mr Allen's wife, nee Ruth Robbins HUFF, is the daughter of Marion (CRISSMAN) HUFF. Marion is the only child of Augusta (ROBINS) CRISSMAN. Augusta is a daughter of Moses ROBINS of Hunterdon Co, NJ. Moses is a son of Jonathan ROBINS (born 1793 Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co). Jonathan is a son of Jonathan ROBINS and Mary HUFF. Welcome Mr. Allen. Mr. Allen believes (a part of the basis of his belief stems from family documents and records in his possession) that Jonathan ROBINS (spouse of Mary HUFF) is the son of Isaac ROBINS rather than the son of Jonathan ROBINS (who purchased land from the widow MERRILL in 1751 in what is now Alexandria Twp) as is reported in Snell's Hunterdon County history. (I think I recall this group having a discussion about this very thing a couple of years ago.) Mr. Allen's research is available from the Hunterdon County Historical Society and is entitled "Moses Robins Biography Corrected" (2009, 12 pp). Mr. Allen also has in his possession many family documents and records which he discovered in his mother-in-law's Bloomsbury (NJ) home. The maiden name of Mary HUFF has been questionable. A family record of Warren Mercer ROBINS in 1908 (found in the Bloomsbury home) states Mary's maiden name as HUFF. Also, a letter from the lawyer of the spouse of Isaac ROBINS (concerning his estate) to Jonathan ROBINS (a son) names Susannah as the mother (this relates to a NJ Supreme Court case between Susannah and Jonathan). There had been some speculation in the past whether Susannah was a second spouse of Isaac ROBINS and not the mother of his children. But apparently she is the biological mother. Susannah and Jonathan must have really been at odds to go to court over Isaac's estate. A few days ago I traveled to the Garrison-Tharp Cemetery in Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon Co and visited the burial place of Mary HUFF and presumably her spouse. I say presumably because there is no discernable engraving on the headstone next to Mary's. I had thought it was possible that the unmarked headstone had sunk into the ground hiding the markings. I had attempted to pull the headstone up in the past to no avail, and my attempts this time failed as well. However, upon further inspection of the headstone I'm fairly certain that the headstone has NOT sunk into the ground. Rather, it is broken ... and whatever engraving that was on the stone is gone. Both headstones are made of inferior stone (some sort of slate or shale it seems). Mary's headstone is broken as well, albeit most of the engraving is still intact. I'd like to discuss (again) the possibilities for this particular descendancy line initiated by Mr. Allen's research. It seems there are two possibilities: One possible line ... Jonathan ROBINS, b 1694 Woodbridge NJ, d 1774 Alexandria Twp, purchased 285 acres 1751 in (what is now) Alexandria Twp. Jonathan ROBINS, b c1742, d 1815 Alexandria Twp, married Mary HUFF (c1764-1817). Jonathan ROBINS, b 1793 Alexandria Twp, d 1872, married Charity (LOMPING) LAWSHE. Moses ROBINS, b 1826, d 1889, married Susan Mary KELS. This line is supported by a biography appearing in "History of Hunterdon and Somerset Counties New Jersey" by James P SNELL in 1881 and another biography appearing in "Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Mercer County, New Jersey" by Francis Bazley Lee in 1907 . The former biography is based on Moses ROBINS (noted above) and the latter biography is based upon Charles Carroll ROBBINS, a grandson of Jonathan ROBINS (1793-1872, noted above). I understand that biographies can be wrong. And I understand that the latter biography above could have been (and probably was to some extent) based upon the former. But some credence must be put into these biographies in my humble opinion. After all, Moses ROBINS (who probably supplied the input to the former biography noted above) was only two generations removed from the questionable part of this line (alternative line noted below). On the other hand note the years of disparity between Jonathan I and Jonathan II, and between Jonathan II and Jonathan III, and finally between Jonathan II and his spouse Mary HUFF. It's possible I don't put enough weight on the unusual differences in years since my own LAKE grandfather was born 98 years before me, and he married a woman 17 years old when he was 35 years old. So, I know these unusual differences in years can happen. Second possible line ... Jonathan ROBINS, b 1694 Woodbridge NJ, d 1774 Alexandria Twp, purchased 285 acres 1751 in (what is now) Alexandria Twp. Isaac ROBINS, b c1735, d 1783 Alexandria Twp, married Susannah ------. Jonathan ROBINS, b 1765, d 1815 Alexandria Twp, married Mary HUFF (c1764-1817). Jonathan ROBINS, b 1793 Alexandria Twp, d 1872, married Charity (LOMPING) LAWSHE. Moses ROBINS, b 1826, d 1889, married Susan Mary KELS. In this line the years differences make more sense. The birth year of Jonathan (1765) who married Mary HUFF makes more sense because of his spouse's birth year and because his last child was born in 1809. If he were born c1742 (as in the first possible line) he would have been c67 years old when his last child was born. Certainly unusual, but not impossible. (Charles, can you tell me how you determined Jonathan's birth year of 1765? Is it based upon the birth years of his siblings and the fact that Jonathan is the firstborn child?) Jonathan (1765-1815) had a son named Jonathan before he had a son named Isaac which doesn't fit as well for the naming patterns for this possible line. Jonathan's (1765-1815) first female child was named Susanna, possibly for his mother. It might seem strange that Jonathan named his first female child after his mother when, going by the court case mentioned above, they seemed to have a contemptuous relationship. Isaac had a daughter named Dinah. Dinah (and her spouse) and Jonathan (1765-1815) and his spouse, Mary HUFF, are buried in the same family burying ground (established by Dinah). The headstones of (presumably, see above) Jonathan and Mary HUFF are the closest headstones to Dinah and her spouse (and in fact directly behind Dinah's). This _could_ be an indication that Dinah and Jonathan are siblings rather than niece/uncle. It is proven that Isaac's firstborn was named Jonathan, but the identity of that Jonathan is not proven as far as I know. Mr. Allen may have more to add in support of this line. All comments are welcome. There is a Jonathan ROBINS Sr and a Jonathan ROBINS Jr, both of whom died in Alexandria Twp in 1796. It's been a struggle to fit them into the ROBINS family in the past. If the second possible line above is correct perhaps one of these Jonathans is the son of Jonathan ROBINS (1694-1774). There is another Jonathan ROBINS. He married Margaret CASE 8 Jan 1820 in Washington Presbyterian Church, Sussex Co (now Warren Co), NJ. No children have been noted for this couple. I have presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac, and Margaret to be the daughter of Peter KAES (c1733-1806 Flemington NJ) and Catherine LUNGER (daughter of Jacob) but I no longer presume either. How does this Jonathan fit in? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Charles Allen [cjallen_robins@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] ROBINS My estimate of the birth date of Jonathan (c1765) is based on an assumption that he is the son of Isaac, the brother of Jonathan (c1742), hence near the same birth fate..  The first born of Jonathan (c1765) is Charles (15 Dec 1788), I therefore approximated Jonathan's birth date to be midway between between his father's and his son's birth dates.  Certainly not exact but to serve as a guide for other relationships, such as a wif'e's age, in this case Mary Huff (1764). Further points favoring my assumption significant errors exist in Snell's biography of Moses: Snell notes that the son of the Jonathan who purchased Widow Merril's farm had two sons and four daughters.  I have seen no reference to these children with respect to Jonathan (c1742).  However such a family exists for Isaac (c 1735): Jonathan, Isaac, Rachel, Abigail, Mary and Dianna. I have Quitclaims from Rachel (6 May 1793) and Abigail (12 Mar 1792) giving their share of Isaac's estate to their brother, Jonathan.  These are acknowleged by the Orphans court in the Division of the Estate of Isaac Robins, dec'd 1784.    This means that the bulk of Isaac's estate, which he had purchased from his father, Jonathan (1694), descended to Jonathan (1765).  Isaac, Mary and Dianna still maintained their shares.  After the death of Jonathan (1765), the estate passed to his son Jonathan (1793). Charles Allen --cjallen_robins@yahoo.com From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of turkeypt2 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Robins Line in Hunterdon Co., NJ There was a reference to an old deed in some previous postings. Message # 1221 9/12/06 by Gary Robins "JK Arthur on Jonathan Robins" & Message # 1232 9/13/06 response to Gary's positng by John Taylor. Does anyone recall seeing the deed or having a copy? Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marshall Lake [mlake@mlake.net] Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: Robins Line in Hunterdon Co., NJ > There was a reference to an old deed in some previous postings. Message > # 1221 9/12/06 by Gary Robins "JK Arthur on Jonathan Robins" & Message # > 1232 9/13/06 response to Gary's positng by John Taylor. Does anyone > recall seeing the deed or having a copy? The 1751 MERRILL->ROBINS deed is one of the documents Mr. Allen found in his mother-in-law's Bloomsbury home. Unfortunately, the children of "Johnnathan Robbins" (as is spelled in the deed) are not named. Nor is it mentioned in the deed that he has any children. I have seen only a typed copy of the deed. I assume Mr. Allen found the original deed or a copy of such? The deed is dated 23 May 1751 in Bethlehem Twp (Alexandria Twp was created in 1765). -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 05:56:09 -0500 From: Garry Heagy August Term 1793 at the Court House in Flemington, Thursday, 8 August 1793. Present: Joseph Reading, Joseph Beavers, and Daniel Hunt. The report of the commissioners appointed to divide the lands late of Isaac Robins deceased was presented. The metes & bounds of Jonathan Robins, Rachael Smith (w/o Amos), formerly Rachael Robins, & Abigail Robins, all of whose shares were purchased by Jonathan Robins, began at a store in the Great Road near the Hickory Tavern in a line of the West Jersey Society's land & totaled about 100 acres; Isaac Robins share began on the northeast side of the sd. Isaac Robins, dec'd farm & ran along the Great Road and Jonathan Robins. The share totaled 66 acres with premises exclusive of one acre formerly sold by Mr. Robins. The metes and bounds of Mary Robins were along Jonathan Robins and Dianna Garrison and contained 38.8 acres and premises. Dianna Garrison's share began at the northeasterly corner of the farm and ran along Col. Beaver's line and totaled 38.8 acres with premises. From Hunterdon County, New Jersey Taxpayers: 1785 Alexandria Robins, Jonathan Jr. Susanna Thomas There are 2 things to note: - Jonathan, son of Isaac, bought the property of his siblings that they had inherited from Isaac's estate. The total property mentioned is 243.6 acres if I calculated correctly. - in 1785, in Alexandria Township, there is only Jonathan, son of Isaac, Susanna, wife of Isaac, and Thomas. Garry Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:41:32 -0600 From: Tracey Marcelo Hi, One more thing to add. In 1793 a militia census was taken in New Jersey. There is a book compiled by James S Norton of the lists. All men between 18-45 were supposed to be enumerated, unless they were exempt. There are 2 "Jonathan Robins" in Norton's book. They are: p 194 Bethlehem twp Hunterdon Co #21 Jonathan Robins p 199 Alexandria twp Hunterdon Co #141 Jonathan Robins There are also 2 "Jonan Robins." Sussex Co militia (no township given) p 273 3rd Company of Light Horse # 15 Jonan Robins (between Derrick Hewlicks and Bolser Gomer) p 277 Sussex Co. Grannage township # 49 Jonan Robins (between Peter Sharps and Moses Wells) (See also: http://www.sussexhistory.org/annals/tax-lists/1793-grannage-township/ [www.sussexhistory.org] Note: This is the same list--even though the site calls it a tax list. It is the militia list. I really wonder if this is Greenwich township. I don't know of a "Grannage" township. And there is a list for Wantage twp. so it isn't that.) To : Garry Heagy Cc : Tracey Marcelo , Robbins Family Subject : Re: [Robbins Family Society] Jonathan ROBINSes, Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ So, Garry, by this it sounds like you feel the Jonathan who married Mary HUFF is the son of Isaac ROBINS (d 1783)? This makes sense since it seems the Jonathan who married Mary HUFF is the Jonathan who brought the original 1751 homestead back together. I have Jonathan, son of Isaac, as always living in Alexandria Twp. But, in my tree I have Jonathan, son of Jonathan, as marrying Mary HUFF. So, I could definitely be wrong on this. On Tue, 14 Dec 2021, Garry Heagy wrote: > Hi, > From the History of Hunterdon and Somerset Counties, New Jersey, 1881: > Moses' great-grandfather, Jonathan Robins, settled in Alexandria township, adjoining the > "Old Hickory Tavern," in 1751 > > The father of Moses was Jonathan 1793 - 1872. > Jonathan 1793 - 1872 was the son of Jonathan abt 1762 - 1815 who married Mary Huff. Their Will abstracts say Alexandria township. > Jonathan abt 1762 - 1815: > August Term 1793 at the Court House in Flemington, Thursday, 8 August 1793. > Present: Joseph Reading, Joseph Beavers, and Daniel Hunt. > The report of the commissioners appointed to divide the lands late of Isaac Robins deceased was presented. The metes & bounds of Jonathan > Robins, Rachael Smith (w/o Amos), formerly Rachael Robins, & Abigail Robins, all of whose shares were purchased by Jonathan Robins, began at a > store in the Great Road near the Hickory Tavern ... > > The father of Moses was Jonathan 1793 - 1872. > Jonathan 1793 - 1872 was the son of Jonathan abt 1762 - 1815 who married Mary Huff. Their Will abstracts say Alexandria township. > Jonathan abt 1762 - 1815: > August Term 1793 at the Court House in Flemington, Thursday, 8 August 1793. > Present: Joseph Reading, Joseph Beavers, and Daniel Hunt. > The report of the commissioners appointed to divide the lands late of Isaac Robins deceased was presented. The metes & bounds of Jonathan > Robins, Rachael Smith (w/o Amos), formerly Rachael Robins, & Abigail Robins, all of whose shares were purchased by Jonathan Robins, began at a > store in the Great Road near the Hickory Tavern ... > > 2. It's most likely it was Jonathan abt 1762 - 1815 that was living in Alexandria in 1793. > 1. Jonathan Jr.'s Will Abstract just says Hunterdon County. Marshall did you find a township? > 3. ? > 4. I agree, Jonathan born 7 Jan 1774. > > Garry from: Marshall Lake To : ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Cc : Garry Heagy , Tracey Marcelo Something else which may indicate the Jonathan ROBINS who married Mary HUFF is the son of Isaac (d 1783) is that he named his first daughter Susannah (Isaac was married to a Susannah), his first son Charles (the father of Mary HUFF was Charles), and his second son Isaac. Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 20:01:31 +0000 From: jkarthur@charter.net The Green name was decided upon by my cousin, Patricia Laubscher. I have never seen any proof that her name is Green. There are some family connections and it seems possible.Her son's middle name is Green. That is the biggest clue. Judy ----------------------------------------- From: "Marshall Lake" To: jkarthur@charter.net Sent: Tuesday December 14 2021 10:16:40AM Subject: Re: ROBINS I was under the impression that you had a deed or some other document that named the children of Jonathan ROBINS Jr who died 1796 in Alexandria Twp. But, you don't need to worry about it because I don't think there is such a document. Just one last question (for now :), Judy, what do you have that says the John ROBINS who died 1789 married Elizabeth GREEN? I realize that John's will names his wife as Elizabeth, but what tells you her birth name is GREEN ? NOTE - the following also appears in Reference/55.txt Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2020 06:15:33 -0500 From: Garry Heagy BEGIN From my family file, which might not agree with others: Jonathan Robbins, Jr. b. abt 1729 d. Oct 1796 m. Phebe Webb: - John b. June 1751 d. Nov 1789 (Will Proved date) - Jonathan III b. abt 1755 d. Oct 1796 (He could be the older son) From Hunterdon County, New Jersey Taxpayers: 1785 Alexandria Robins, Jonathan Sr. Jonathan Jr. John Susanna Thomas 1786 Alexandria Robbins, Jonathan Sr. Jonathan Jr. John Thomas Susanna 1789 Alexandria Robbens, Jonathan Jonathan Jr. Thomas END My Notes - Garry believes Jonathan who married Phebe Webb is the son of 55.0 and Jonathan (30.267) who married Mary HUFF is the son of Isaac Robins (41.0). Phebe Webb is probably bogus. - MEL END