Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Tue Sep 5, 2017 5:38 pm ((PDT)) BEGIN My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can consider it and discuss it. As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, March 27 1737: Joshua Robins No. 8 Amos Thatcher No. 9 Elisha Robins No. 10 Isaac Robins No. 20 All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was probably property they inherited. I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would mean that they were all born before 1716. Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and Elisha Robins Looking back, I wish I had written down the names on mortgages 11 to 19. :-/ In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. For convenience, here are the transcriptions of the property descriptions in the mortgages: Joshua Robins land description: Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres (Note: This property description matches property in a Daniel Robins deed dated 1714, which said: By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County????? Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart????????s (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor) Amos Thatcher land description: Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to another stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight links to another stone corner, thence North twenty five chains and a half to a stone corner in John Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins land thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned containing one hundred acres Elisha Robins land description: Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted and bounded as followeth Vizt Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine links to a stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West Twenty eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning containing one hundred acres Issac Robins land description: Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & Bounded as follows Viz On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Land formerly ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased father to the said Isaac Robins - formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred Acres (Note: It is somewhat interesting to me that when Job Robins died, his widow Abigail married Thomas Hunt. I believe it is the same Thomas Hunt who is mentioned in this property description.) Posted by: Tracey Marcelo Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:23 am ((PDT)) One more thing to consider when talking about Amos Thatcher. I'm of the belief that Amos Thatcher's wife was Lydia Robbins and that she was a daughter of Daniel Robbins who died between 1733 and 1737. I believe this because of the mortgage Amos obtained in 1737 on the same day (March 27) as Joshua Robins, Elisha Robins, and Isaac Robins. I believe they all received land from their father Daniel Robins and then mortgaged that land on the same day. The mortgages give descriptions of the properties and all land was originally owned by Daniel Robins. You can read Amos Thatcher's mortgage at: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/AmosThatcherMortgageALL.pdf So if Azubia was Amos' sister...and Lydia was Isaac's sister, some of you might be double related to Thatchers and Robbins. Posted by: Tracey Marcelo Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:54 am ((PDT)) I don't know why Lydia Prall has been carried forth as the wife of Amos. But it is curious to me that there is a bible record transcribed and printed in the "Genealogies of New Jersey Families" that has Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia (no maiden name given) and their children. It includes a Sarah Thatcher (daughter of Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia) who married a Josiah Prall and lists their children. See: https://books.google.com/books?id=k4zStKaPmsEC&pg=RA1-PA756&lpg=RA1-PA756&dq=Lydia+Prall&source=bl&ots=6UN01IXQEh&sig=ACfU3U1BwTbAt-9r_gVx5b3rlYTM7-fGxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOj4SosJzlAhVFIKwKHZvCDz04ChDoATAHegQICBAC#v=onepage&q=Lydia%20Prall&f=false Has anyone seen any records that indicate Lydia was a Prall? I know it is in a lot of trees. I'd like to see a record that indicates it. Posted by: Garry Heagy Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:58 am ((PDT)) Do you have a theory why Amos Thatcher’s wife is considered to be Lydia Prall? Posted by: Tracey Marcelo Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:51 am ((PDT)) Oops. My mistake...the Sarah Thatcher in the bible is the GRAND daughter of Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia... She's the daughter of Job Thatcher and wife Rebekah But...my point is the same...I have not seen a single record that indicates Amos Thatcher's wife was Lydia Prall. I'd love to see the evidence--direct or indirect! END transcription of Records->Misc->55.76.pdf from , 16 Oct 2009 ... BEGIN ELISHA ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 10 Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the consideration of twenty pounds to him in hand paid the consignees of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon on the aforesaid tract of Land Messauge & plantation Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted and bounded as followeth Vizt Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine links to a stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West Twenty eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Elisha Robins Signed in the presence of Job Robins James Neilson LDS Film#946855 No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 27 1739 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1740 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1741 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shillings and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1742 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 20 1743 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26 1744 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 26 1745 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound sixteen shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 8 1746 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1747 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year and also at the same time he paid the sum of seven pounds ten shillings in full discharge of the within mortgage. END transcription of Newspapers->Misc->55.76.jpg Documents Relating to the Colonial History of the State of New Jersey Volume XXIV Extracts from American Newspapers Relating to New Jersey William Nelson 1902 BEGIN To be sold at Public Vendue, At the Court-House in Sussex County, on Tuesday the 26th of November next. A Tract of Land lying in the Township of New-Town, in the County of Sussex, and Province of New-Jersey, on the head Branch of Pawlins Kill, and divided into the following Lots or Farms, viz. No. 1. 168 Acres, in Possession of Mathas Snook. 2 209 John Loder. 3 143 Not tenanted 5 250 Daniel & Colin M'Kennie 6 173 Leonard Weidner. 7 140 Elisha Robins. 8 157 " " 9 144 Benjamin Brewer. 10. 152 Nicholas Yost. 11. 211 Peter Cass. This Tract of Land lies about Six Miles from Sussex Court House, and five from Andover Iron Works, which is a good Market for all Kinds of Country Produce; and the great Road to Goshen runs thro' it: It is exceeding well water'd by Springs and Brooks; well accommodated with Meadow Land, and fine Swamps, and a sufficient Quantity of Wheat Land, level and clear of Stones, and as good in Quality as any upland in Sussex County. One Sixth part of the Purchase Money to be paid on the 1st Day of May, 1766. One sixth on the first Day of November, 1766. One sixth on the first Day of May, 1767, all without Interest; and the remaining Three-sixths secured by a Mortgage, or other satisfactory Security, may be paid as may suit the Conveniency of the purchaser. The Lands will be shewn by Elisha Robins, living on the Premises, or Robert Allen; Living at Pepack, in Somerset County. And any Person choosing to Purchase at private Sale, may apply to said Robert Allen, who has a Power to agree for the same. The Title is indisputable, and good and sufficient Deeds will be given to the Purchasers, by James Parker. Middlesex County, New-Jersey, ss Pursuant to orders from the worshipful Thomas Gach and James Parker, esqrs., two of the judges of the court of common pleas for the county of Middlesex, made on the 16th day of July instant. James Johnston, John Radley, Gilbert Barton, John Jobs, Charles Hartupes, John Collins, Briant Smith, John Kar, Joseph Kar, John Warden, and Philip Kelly, all insolvent debtors, now confined in the gaol of Perth-Amboy, do hereby give notice to all their creditors, that they shew cause, if any they have, on the 3d -day of August next, at Perth-Amboy, why r.n assignment of each of the said insolvent's estate, should not be then made, to assignees nominated by the judges of the said court, or the majority in value of the said creditors to each, for the use and benefit of the said creditors respectively; and said insolvents be thereupon discharged from their debts and confinement, according to the directions of "An act of the governor, council, and general assembly of the province of New-Jersey, made and passed at Burlington in the fifth year of his majesty's reign, entitled, "An act for the relief of insolvent debtors; all the above mentioned insolvents having taken the oath, and complied with the directions in the said act mentioned. July 16, 1765. Whereas Samuel Higgins, John Knight, Benjamin Bolting-House, Edward Lewis, and John Vance, insolvent debtors, now confined in the gaol of the Free Borough and Town of Elizabeth; have, pursuant to a law of the province of New-Jersey, lately made for the relief of insolvent Debtors, exhibited their petition to William P. Smith, esq; mayor of the said borough, praying to be admitted to the said law, and have respectively delivered in writing upon oath, a full and true account of all their respective creditors, and of the monies respectively due and owing to them; and also a full and true account of their respective estates, both real and personal: Therefore, Notice is hereby given to the respective creditors of the abovenamed debtors, that they shew cause, if any they have, on the 9th day of August next, why an assignment of the said respective debtors' estate should not be made, and the debtors discharged agreeable to the said law. July 15. Whereas Bernardus Van Nest, Job Wood, and Frederick Barene, insolvent debtors, and now in actual gaol in the common gaol of the county of Essex, in the colony of New-Jersey, have presented their several petitions to us Thomas Clarke and Daniel Pierson, esqrs. two of the judges of the inferior court of common pleas for the county of Essex, praying the benefit of a late act of the governor, council, and general assembly of this colony of New-Jersey, entitled, An act for the relief of insolvent debtors: Notice is hereby given to the several and respective creditors of them the said Barnardus Van Nest, Job Wood, and Frederick Barene, that they be and appear before us the said judges, or any two of the judges of the said court, at the court-house in New-Ark, on Saturday the 10th day of August next, at 3 of the clock in the afternoon of the same day, to shew cause, if any they have, why assignments should not be made of the several estates, rights and credits of the said Barnardus Van Nest, Job Wood and Frederick Barene, for the use of their respective creditors; and why they, and every of them, should not be discharged from their imprisonment, according to the directions of the said act. Dated this 13th day of July 1765. Thomas Clarke. Daniel Pierson. -The New York Gazette or Weekly Post Boy, July 18, 1765. END Posted by: Tracey "marcelofamilytx" tmarcelo@austin.rr.com marcelofamilytx Date: Sun Sep 9, 2012 6:15 am ((PDT)) BEGIN The other notes I have about Elisha Robins in the Hunterdon and Sussex Co. areas are: 1754 Sussex May Session 1754 The King vs Charles McConnell The Defendt Being Charged with this Indictment pleads Not Guilty ? Harrell file May 30th 1754 Russell Clerk(?) ? Billa Vora ? William Scholey? Foreman Evidence for the King: Elisha Robins's wife Joshua Robins Elis. Robins's daughter Joshua Robins Jun. Perkins (?) Lovell Richd. Slough Elisha Coller Eliz. Hadly (?) Hazen Province of New Jersey County of Sussex The Grand Inquest for our Sovereign Lord King for the Body of the County of Sussex Being (then and then) Duly Charged Sworn and Affirmed upon the Respective Oath and Affirmation of at least twelve honorable and Lawfull men of the said County, Do present That Charles McConnell late of New Town in the County of Sussex aforesaid yeoman Being a person of a Turbulant, Malitious, and Malevolent Principal and Disposition and Designing Contriving and and Jonathan Smalley to prejudice and Injure the fifth day of April in the Twenty Seventh year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord George the Second by the Grace of God of Great Britain France and Ireland King Defender of the faith. At New Town aforesaid in the County of Sussex aforesaid and within the jurisdiction of this Court a Certain Roan Coloured Mare the property of the aforesaid Jonathan Smalley (then and there) with a certain knife or some other sharp weapon, did unlawfully wickedly and maliciously (in the Belly of the said Mare) Stab, Cutt and wound, By which said to the great damage of the said Jonathan Smalley and most purnatious [pernicious?] Example of all others in such case Delinquent and against the peace of our said Sovereign Lord the King that no wis his Crown and Dignity. Harrell, AS Genl. 1757: Elisha Robins, Sussex County, name on petition, May 11, 1757, to the Governor, etc. from inhabitants of Sussex Co., "the most Exposed to the Enemy of any County". They cannot work on their land or conduct business needed to maintain their families & request help to guard the frontier". (Don't know source...possibly the same as the source below.) 1759: Source: Manuscript Collection-SAH: Oversized (New Jersey State Archives), Box 1-41, folder 5. Joshua Robins, Sussex County, name on a petition, May 15, 1759, to Governor Jonathan Belcher and Council from the inhabitants of Sussex County, on a frontier of the province next to Pennsylvania, asking that greater efforts be made to defend the province against the French and Indians Elisha Robins was the only other Robins to sign the same petition on May 15, 1759. John D. Stemmons compiled a publication "New Jersey Petitions 1755-1764" with all the names of the signers of NJ petitions between 1755-1764 in alphabetical order. 1763: 1763, Nov. 28. Robins, Elisha. Jr., of Newton, Sussex Co., yeoman. Int. Adm'r - Elisha Robins. Fellowbondsman - Ephraim Darby; both of said place. 1763, Nov. 28. Inventory, [pounds] 78.4.11, made by John Loder and William Tharp. Lib. 12, p. 5. 1766: To be sold at Public Vendue, at the Court-House in Sussex County, on Tuesday the 26th of November next [1766]. A tract of Land lying in the Township of New-town, in the County of Sussex, and Province of New-Jersey, on the head Branch of Pawlins Kill, and divided into the following Lots of Farms, viz. [namely]: No. 1 168 Acres, in Possession of Mathas Snook No. 2 209 John Loder No. 3 143 Not tenanted [No listing for Lot No. 4] No. 5 250 Daniel & Colin M'Kennie No. 6 173 Leonard Weidner No. 7 140 Elisha Robins No. 8 157 Elisha Robins No. 9 144 Benjamin Brewer No. 10 152 Nicholas Yost No. 11 211 Peter Cass [No listing for Lot No. 12] [Total listing of 1,747 acres of land, or about 2-3/4 square miles. With Lots 4 and 12 added in, the tract would have exceeded 3 square miles.] This Tract of Land lies about Six Miles from Sussex Court House, and five from Andover Iron Works, which is a good Market for all Kinds of Country Produce; and the great Road to Goshen runs thro- it: It is exceeding well water'd by Springs and Brooks; well accommodated with Meadow Land, and fine Swamps, and a sufficient Quantity of Wheat Land, level and clear of Stones, and as good in quality as any upland in Sussex County. One Sixth part of the Purchase Money to be paid on the 1st Day of May, 1766. One sixth on the first Day of November, 1766. One sixth on the first Day of May, 1767, all without Interest; and the remaining Three-sixths secured by a Mortgage, or other satisfactory Security, may be paid as may suit the Conveniency of the purchaser. The Lands will be shewn by Elisha Robins, living on the Premises, or Robert Allen; Living at Pepack, in Somerset County. And any Person choosing to Purchase at private Sale, may apply to said Robert Allen, who has a Power to agree for the same. The Title is indisputable, and good and sufficient Deeds will be given to the Purchasers, by JAMES PARKER." [James Parker owned the deeds and titles to the entire tract of land. The lands were shown to prospective buyers by Elisha Robins, tenant of sections 7 and 8. Robert Allen of Pepack, Somerset County, acted as land agent. Section 1, comprised of 168 acres, was listed as "in possession of" Mathias Snook. Section 11, comprised of 211 acres, was listed as "ditto" Peter Cass.] 1793 NJ tax list: Name: Elisha Robins State: NJ County: Sussex County Township: Hardwick Year: 1793 Record Type: June Tax List Database: NJ Tax Lists Index 1772-1822 END