Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2024 01:05:40 -0700 (MST) From: James Lake To: Marshall Lake My primary objective was to determine if the Lakes in Newfoundland were related. A secondary objective was to determine a connection with Lakes in England. To that end I sponsored 9 Y DNA tests to Y111 for Lakes in the three area where Lakes were concentrated in Newfoundland.  These areas were Oderin (my ancestors), Fortune (the largest group of Lakes) and West Placentia Bay Lakes. Findings: General:  All the Lakes tested were from Haplo group R-M269 with the exception of the two related families in Oderin.  The two Oderin families were members of J-M272 plus Richard Lake of Devon, England and Brian Wallace Lake of California.  Richard and Brian were born in Gurnsey, England and their ancestors born in Devon, England.  Richard Lake has a detailed FT but no connection has been established to date between my Lake ancestors and Richards, however family names are similar.  Oderin Lakes.  There were three families of Lakes in Oderin in 1830 when church records were established.  DNA confirmed two of the three families were related paternaly and the third family was related by marriage.  Two studies by Dr. Tyrone Bowes for the Oderin Lake families homeland indicated that my ancestors were from the Exeter area of Devon and the paternally unrelated family were from Southwest Ireland.  It is believed this family were not Lakes originally and were the earliest Lakes in Oderin. The two paternally related families were, William Lake, my gg grandfather and Solomon Lake.  Oderin merchant records showed a Joseph Lake who is believed to be Williams father.  Two US citizenship application records from descendents of Solomon Lake has Solomon born in England.  Many of William and Solomon descendents moved to MA and NY. Also court records show a Henry Lake of Oderin purchased the inventory of a bankrupt merchant in Oderin 1815.  Henry is believed to be the father of John Lake from the paternally unrelated Oderin family.   None of the three Lake groups, Oderin Lakes, Fortune Lakes and West Placentia Bay Lakes were paternally related. It is believed that George Lake, Fortune Lakes, was the first Lake in Newfoundland.  George signed a petition in 1744 requesting the help of the British government to eliminate French pirates in Placentia Bay.  In 1713 the Treaty of Versailles evicted the French from Newfoundland.  Oderin was originally was settled by the French as early as 1500.  George is believed to have been born in Bidefort, Devon.  George was a merchant and there are many court enteries for George and his wife Ann. I've had a number of researchers in England working on the Lakes but little success.  I'm currently entering my data into Family Planner.  I will review your data base in the next day or two.