Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 From: JAMES LAKE To: "marshallelake@gmail.com" Subject: Newfoundland Lakes James Lake Kit No.  IN58535 My earliest known ancestor is William Lake.  William married Mary Jarvis in 1838 in Oderin, NL. That would put Williams birth date at approximately 1811 based on the average marriage age for males in NL.  From church records.   Ted Lake Kit No. MI50438 Ted’s earliest known ancestor is Solomon Lake.  Solomon Lake and Sarah Unknown had a twin in 1834 in Oderin, NL.  From church records. No other information is known for Solomon and Sarah. Brian Wallace Lake Mr. Lake lives in California.  In correspondence Mr. Lake indicated his ancestors were from the Guernsey Island.  His DNA test was a Y12 only.  Both Ted and I are related to Brian.   Ted and I are related both having a GD of 3 at Y111.  Autosomal DNA also show we are related.   Best Regards James Lake Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 21:44:40 -0700 (MST) From: JAMES LAKE To: Marshall Lake Subject: RE: Newfoundland Lakes Marshall, Brian Wallace Lake had a Y12 DNA analysis and he is related to both Ted Lake and James Lake.  I do not know the parents of William Lake.  NL church records start around 1835.  Many of the original Lakes arrived in Oderin and area with an English merchant, William Spurrier.  Spurrier, historical documents reveal, had two to three hundred servants in Oderin at any time.   Spurrier was based in Poole, Dorset. The earlies Lakes in NL arrived circa 1720 after the Treaty of Utrecht evicted the French from Placentia Bay in 1713.  The merchants that replaced the French were from Bideforte, Devon. If Brian Wallace is correct William and Solomon or their ancestors could also be from the Channel Islands.  Ships sailing to NL stopped at the Channel Island and Waterford in Ireland to take on provisions and labour.  There are many inhabitants of Placentia Bay who can trace their roots to the Channel Islands. Circa 1835 there were two other Lakes in Oderin who were born in England as reported by their descendants who immigrated to the US.  It maybe possible a YDNA test could be performed on the ancestors of these Lakes. It is very difficult to identify a Lake in England that maybe related due to the commonality of names and lack of DNA results from England.  A compounding factor is the Lake name is not mutually exclusive as I discovered.  A lady has toiled more than 50 years including time in England without uncovering any concrete information there is a connection between the Lakes from Devon and the Lake in NL.  This lady focused on Lakes from Fortune NL, a town with many families of Lakes, where as Oderin was resettled in 1972.  I can provide you with the data published by this lady. I also have the results of two autosomal tests, one from a Fortune Lake and the second from a Lake born 25 miles from Oderin.  Both tests were  negative, any connections to William or Solomon were maternal. Regards James Lake Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 21:17:03 +0000 From: Gail Taylor To: Marshall Lake Hi Marshall, we’ve emailed before. I sent you my line of Soloman. Teresa sent me this email. You actually match me gedmatch T261049 my uncle John Murphy is T732319. Soloman Lake born in England according to his son’s immigration record in 1860’s and Mary Abbott from Ireland. Both lived in Oderin Placentia Bay as did James, Ted’s, Teresa’s, Gordon’s. James and Ted are coming from Soloman Lake 1810? and Sarah Abbott. William was born in Oderin. They have the exact markers on FTDNA. Gedmatch for Ted is UP4777212 Gordon Lake is coming from John Lake 1810 England? and Eleanor Abbott. Gordon’s gedmatch is  NJ2364134