From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Jan 24 06:18:29 2023 Date: 24 Jan 2023 06:18:29 -0700 From: Mail System Internal Data Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA Message-ID: <1674566309@mlake.net> X-IMAP: 1674566309 0000000001 Status: RO This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not a real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software. If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created with the data reset to initial values. From loyalist-lake-history+bncBCVZBDWR3UMRB4NVXOPAMGQE4JWJLPY@googlegroups.com Mon Jan 23 12:20:04 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: unknown Received: from pop.gmail.com (142.251.2.108:995) by ibp with POP3-SSL; 23 Jan 2023 19:20:04 -0000 Delivered-To: marshallelake@gmail.com Received: by 2002:a17:907:a49:b0:877:5f6a:6b85 with SMTP id be9csp2806662ejc; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:07:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:5114:b0:3db:254e:59a9 with SMTP id o20-20020a05600c511400b003db254e59a9mr16174064wms.15.1674500849918; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:07:29 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1674500849; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=AgXpH07a2cfXeWVcBv6Z0ruE1Hyn8r8O/rpHnMSEsYvn57WaQ7ANdJOke3fFmdf4A6 WLvpRDX2sG3hXcyoR56hv3ewszRc6GopokoTOL0OvLmhUapAbbXwIYbFAj72wL6+DROi T2gGHwxp8BKhpw6gdzPLp4TetcvNzgZ55Uns89RJmggLIGclIZ0Qj6VaPUV+Q1L/q8r2 8VqgV3sr8sH44PsHw2U6yX+QEQ/d9cTNAHcQSdXV1vJkhwQ6w5F2agcqEOeJk6i3acXy ypUjZy6ooo4o8I1V1vmOVwYoJbhKWpuWDcuK+MRNEbCokwmwHGCSXAkDikNy4UQtho5L PP7Q== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-unsubscribe:list-archive:list-help:list-post:list-id :mailing-list:precedence:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to :mime-version:dkim-signature; bh=kZbOypHXVoSB2Ynro/M0G8YVTtqqxhng2GrtRJZeZ48=; b=0HnRiA9E1NxiRWoGUjODvJDvEO9p482pJKEso3BG9Kl7evaq3gUTDx74KT3XX5ugpu /9lHd5YsSmGR5a/nL8lJW3NckixzK05ONiFMxIe+wfHdyoBt1d0wc5ktCr3E2Nf2rI5m H+hyH01Pnw2nIlxh66W5fEjpKzgqBK528hAyIAfSTaIdxM9K1q3CXJxYtT3f6cUTO4PQ ULbe50OmWE2dJQ3SO6fHg1LITk2MTPVVOjaFvrq/HBgaDrzF/3LfcZFMZlq8smkW3Kiu qt0eYoQtvheUhKItlW+jihN8WZuHPKArFhuzoNj9M4cJZVqxln2oeEeCfPD9h2YG+Co8 NfCw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@googlegroups.com header.s=20210112 header.b=RUyCChaR; spf=pass (google.com: domain of loyalist-lake-history+bncbcvzbdwr3umrb4nvxopamgqe4jwjlpy@googlegroups.com designates 209.85.220.55 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=loyalist-lake-history+bncBCVZBDWR3UMRB4NVXOPAMGQE4JWJLPY@googlegroups.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=googlegroups.com Received: from mail-sor-f55.google.com (mail-sor-f55.google.com. [209.85.220.55]) by mx.google.com with SMTPS id t12-20020a7bc3cc000000b003d1ff8c586csor3465663wmj.26.2023.01.23.11.07.29 (Google Transport Security); Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of loyalist-lake-history+bncbcvzbdwr3umrb4nvxopamgqe4jwjlpy@googlegroups.com designates 209.85.220.55 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.55; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@googlegroups.com header.s=20210112 header.b=RUyCChaR; spf=pass (google.com: domain of loyalist-lake-history+bncbcvzbdwr3umrb4nvxopamgqe4jwjlpy@googlegroups.com designates 209.85.220.55 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=loyalist-lake-history+bncBCVZBDWR3UMRB4NVXOPAMGQE4JWJLPY@googlegroups.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=googlegroups.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20210112; h=list-unsubscribe:list-archive:list-help:list-post:list-id :mailing-list:precedence:reply-to:x-original-sender:date:message-id :subject:from:to:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=kZbOypHXVoSB2Ynro/M0G8YVTtqqxhng2GrtRJZeZ48=; b=RUyCChaR0jgpSKHVI9RgpPCvPPme42PbpU0ULppSRefi3LjfeomLClyzXZDXTC6ceO Lqu07njL/CHjIuTHkyqb/iFCeWhnUgbDJ8StoZGzGKsEoXAo7g1byO9mvEWhUP9vHvP2 BYTfYjXV8PHUZy8GPky/AMXNxs9qcmB1NhQF3KQN8NrbLAbqffGWSqjp555VRYOiZRW1 MXVoekYedbOjanY9bYz4Pc1Pe0ExrK4kP4YIE7XGJccSxmoAJp37O55Lkd+AU9F1TCqs gYMPAxVncI+GH6WyoHyUZvCAKBMw9N2NVbasQLR38/SqyewrzbHEBb4db8jdmduEo4PL DDOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=list-unsubscribe:list-archive:list-help:list-post:list-id :mailing-list:precedence:reply-to:x-original-sender:date:message-id :subject:from:to:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=kZbOypHXVoSB2Ynro/M0G8YVTtqqxhng2GrtRJZeZ48=; b=YU73AauHVQh5PCHOMshXa1bLAXocAKs5gW3TBwNZjAH1sCdGoq07otmJGMNTNemg9q N7ebfmtcJYftFKfWServHs3DeCLxp672bxx9qM+zb5LCu/9NUuJENgRoMu6kdrUgzL4p MPOXV0B6QydQ+CPkybSD1qZbzebbtpOapzmh+ynn1KXvY2QakK0pu9OzEfYFqEJ2MVcs n62m4yFdsytoz5vO4WKkqL5BGfHk4V+TFYw4C6iZoryiksTB6pErZJTkUffQAE2kiT7e m4LW3hKCILpPdhCEmcFXNlmkNu1G0g5YwRPBa/W9ed/ppr3fk0KtHvS00CGmConTiOE1 XFcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kodpBSkvmQwNnU1S3RnRTIeRjbuoMZhVxhezPNNVwI6ZV5Gsov4 DrfwmtPOKVsetux4OcQ0+VU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXubuOqzC4sK4lk5nGYVO2gWzow/FnMTPPa+xh97UCHKzwIpGdsGPMFH4h8y6sMueBmT8/yDQg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:7916:0:b0:3da:f4e9:841a with SMTP id l22-20020a1c7916000000b003daf4e9841amr1624366wme.198.1674500849201; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:07:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2317:b0:3cf:afd2:ab84 with SMTP id 23-20020a05600c231700b003cfafd2ab84ls7041941wmo.2.-pod-control-gmail; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:07:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:c0c:b0:3db:1a40:d5b0 with SMTP id fm12-20020a05600c0c0c00b003db1a40d5b0mr851347wmb.171.1674500848596; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:07:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Digest recipients From: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com Subject: [loyalist-lake] Digest for loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic Message-ID: <00000000000041b32705f2f31c0e@google.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:07:28 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f94b4b30060474d22062 X-Original-Sender: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com Reply-To: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com; contact loyalist-lake-history+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 884128057387 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 --0016367f94b4b30060474d22062 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Today's topic summary =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Group: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com Url:=20 https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=3Ddigest&utm_medium=3Demail#!= forum/loyalist-lake-history/topics - Welcome Cathy Baker [4 Updates] http://groups.google.com/group/loyalist-lake-history/t/199c960b3fc32d68 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Topic: Welcome Cathy Baker Url: http://groups.google.com/group/loyalist-lake-history/t/199c960b3fc32d6= 8 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D ---------- 1 of 4 ---------- From: cathy baker Date: Jan 23 12:46PM Url: http://groups.google.com/group/loyalist-lake-history/msg/1a88a547f8865 Funny you mention the Lakes having ties to the Albany area. I just had a newer dna match, pop up while doing research and her Lake line= goes up to Nicholas Lake 1736-1777 married to Mattie Snyder. He died in R= ensselaer New York which I believe is in the Albany area. He being the son= of Nicholas Lake/Mary Janszen from Gravesend NY. Nicholas=E2=80=99s paren= ts being John Lake and Amelia Neeltje Claessen. It seems that many of my Lake, dna matches, end up with the common ancesto= r John Lake/Amelia Neeltje Claessen. That can=E2=80=99t be a coincidence. = I think that my James Lake belongs in that family tree it=E2=80=99s just t= rying to figure out where. What is your opinion on this? Cathy Sent from my iPad On Jan 22, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Craig Kanalley wrote: =EF=BB=BF Hi Cathy, Thanks for your emails, I got all of them, yes. I think the Albany referen= ce is interesting as our Lakes had ties to that greater area. As of now, w= e remain stuck though on how these Lakes intertwine. Craig On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 7:19 PM cathy baker > wrote: Craig, I hope that you got the email I sent you earlier today. Here is the Will of my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake that Janet, from the= Norwich Archives, sent me along with these other two bits of information. = He died 26 July 1844. Also some family information on James Lake. But it's not all correct. Jam= es supposedly had three wives. My 4x Great Grandmother Jane Elizabeth 1790= -1857 was his last wife. Isaac, James and John are Jane's children with Ja= mes, that I know about and are mentioned in his will. He mentions another = son William, names a daughter Jane, and 'other daughters' not mentioned. Janet mentioned a daughter, Mary Polly Lake 1805-1891 She was born in Alban= y New York(I found that on Family Search) and died in Brantford. She was m= arried in Norwich, Ontario where James was and my Isaac was born. Mary Pol= ly is mentioned in the random pieces of information in the Lake collected i= nformation. William was born1815-1906. He was born in Brantford and died there. I fo= und that information on Ancestry. I imagine that Mary Polly and William mi= ght be from James's second wife. I don't know about the 'other daughters' = mentioned in his will and haven't come across any names in my searching. I mentioned, in my early email to you, about the 1891 Census of Canada whe= re Isaac mentions that both his parents were born in the USA. I hope these help and hopefully we can find out who James parents were. I = would really like to know where he, and me, belong in the Lake family tree. Cathy ________________________________ From: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com > on behalf of Craig Kanalley > Sent: January 21, 2023 2:52 PM To: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [loyalist-lake] Welcome Cathy Baker Hi Cathy, I'm trying to fit you into our Lake tree, but have been unsuccessful so far= . Question - how confident are you in Isaac Lake b. 1828 being son of James L= ake b. 1757. James would have been about 70 years old. Not impossible but= it appears like it could be missing a generation in between. Regardless, we do have a James Lake born about at that time to John Lake an= d Margaret Snyder, but he married Margaret Hagerman and eventually settled = down in Odessa, not far from Kiingston. So it is not a match to your James= . It's possible he was a first cousin to our James, and that you descend of a= sibling of John Lake. That would explain your DNA experiment when you lab= eled his parents John Lake and Margaret Snyder. I believe John had brother= s named Henry, Jacob, Thomas, Nicholas and Abraham. Thomas had a son James= b.1765 who married Hannah Jackson so we can rule that one out. Jacob's so= n James was born 1768 in New Jersey so that one doesn't seem to fit either.= I don't have any other James recorded for the siblings. Wish I had better news but just not finding a match yet. On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 6:50 PM 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake Family = History > wrote: I will add you to the tag group and see what we find. Thanks very much for = including your direct Lake ancestry: "Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born in Hamilton, Ontario= daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952. His father was James Lake 1864-1920, = his father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901. Isaac=E2=80=99s father is James Lake = 1757-1844." There is nothing to see for the Google Group. It is solely an e-mail group. On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 03:38:47 PM PST, cathy baker > wrote: =EF=BB=BFMy Gedmatch kit number is KN9892304 Sadly my Mom passed away in 2014. I tried to access the Google group you sent to me and it says it=E2=80=99s = not available so I can=E2=80=99t see it. I would so love to see where Craig Kanalley can fit me into the Lake family= . Although my Mom knew who her birth Mother was she had passed away severa= l years earlier. Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born in Hamilton, Ontario = daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952. His father was James Lake 1864-1920, h= is father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901. Isaac=E2=80=99s father is James Lake 1= 757-1844. Cathy Sent from my iPad On Jan 20, 2023, at 5:55 PM, 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake Family His= tory > wrote: =EF=BB=BF Cathy gives her Lake connection below. Cathy, what is your GEDmatch kit number? (Has your Mom tested, since she wo= uld have twice as much Lake DNA as you?) I will add you to our GEDmatch Mul= tiple Kit Analysis tag group. Craig Kanalley also has a marvelous Google drive spreadsheet where he can f= it you into the big picture. FYI ... There was no "James Madison Lake". The middle name "Madison" is a f= igment of someone's misguided "research". Our James Lake was simply James L= ake. Wesley ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: cathy baker > To: Wesley Johnston > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 at 05:35:13 AM PST Subject: Lake family Hello Wesley, I got your email address from Annette Trusdell. She told me about you and = your researching the Lake family. My Mom was born a Lake but given up for adoption in 1931. I took a dna tes= t with Ancestry and have been building the Lake side of her family. I have up to my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake 1757-26 July 1844 buried in= Mt. Vernon church cemetery Brantford, Ontario. He was marred to Jane Eliza= beth Stover and she was his third wife. I don=E2=80=99t know who his parent= s are. I have dna matches, with other Lakes, that link to John Lake/Anne Spicer an= d the Lakes in Gravesend New York. On a whim I decided to put in John Lake 1728-1835/Margaret Snyder, who came= to Ernestown,Ontario, as his parents to see what might show up. I figured= if nothing did I could remove them. Well four dna matches under their sons Christopher 1, John Jacobus Lake 2 a= nd James Madison Lake 1 showed up. So there=E2=80=99s a link there I=E2=80= =99m thinking. I would really appreciate any help you could provide me with in finding out= if my James belongs here or not. Thanks, Cathy Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/1574296130.42353.1674255297432%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620A3FAF6BF52004A81B2A4DCC59%40PH8PR19MB662= 0.namprd19.prod.outlook.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/461355645.52354.1674258643665%40mail.yahoo.com. -- -Craig Web: http://www.craigkanalley.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ckanal Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ckanalley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/CAH2dJyaxBUqZMtNfb%3DOVbkRFmYecdUq6XNKatgA%3Djcs4pb-4= 2w%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB66200DB8F0D4B61D9E6EED6BDCCA9%40PH8PR19MB662= 0.namprd19.prod.outlook.com. -- -Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/CAH2dJybF5zgK4XEcPN0y7vNTOr9WmRZOSE7rrUW%3DEL%3DP9Uap= QA%40mail.gmail.com. ---------- 2 of 4 ---------- From: Craig Kanalley Date: Jan 23 10:15AM -0500 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/loyalist-lake-history/msg/1b0ad1ffd20f7 I believe you=E2=80=99re right, it=E2=80=99s just a matter of where in the = tree James Lake fits. DNA evidence is new in that we didn=E2=80=99t have this decades ago.= Now we do and a link appears to be there based on your matches. On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 7:46 AM cathy baker wrote: --=20 -Craig ---------- 3 of 4 ---------- From: Wesley Johnston Date: Jan 23 04:11PM Url: http://groups.google.com/group/loyalist-lake-history/msg/1b3bd52469544 See if your DNA matches have GEDmatch kit numbers. Then we can include them= in the analysis, which would help to figure out where your James Lake fits= or if your DNA matches are matching on a Lake maternal line. Do you have GEDmatch kit numbers for any of your Lake matches that we can i= nclude in the tag group for analysis? Ancestry simply does not support the = depth of analysis that GEDmatch provides. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wesley=20 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 04:46:37 AM PST, cathy baker wrote: =20 =20 Funny you mention the Lakes having ties to the Albany area.I just had a ne= wer dna match, pop up while doing research and her Lake line goes up to Nic= holas Lake 1736-1777 married to Mattie Snyder. =C2=A0He died in Rensselaer = New York which I believe is in the Albany area. =C2=A0He being the son of N= icholas Lake/Mary Janszen from Gravesend NY. =C2=A0Nicholas=E2=80=99s paren= ts being John Lake and Amelia Neeltje Claessen.=C2=A0It seems that many of = my Lake, dna matches, end up with the common ancestor John Lake/Amelia Neel= tje Claessen. =C2=A0That can=E2=80=99t be a coincidence. =C2=A0I think that= my James Lake belongs in that family tree it=E2=80=99s just trying to figu= re out where. What is your opinion on this? =C2=A0 Cathy Sent from my iPad On Jan 22, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Craig Kanalley wrote: =EF=BB=BFHi Cathy, Thanks for your emails, I got all of them, yes.=C2=A0 I think the Albany re= ference is interesting as our Lakes had ties to that greater area.=C2=A0 As= of now, we remain stuck though on how these Lakes intertwine. Craig=C2=A0 On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 7:19 PM cathy baker wrote: Craig, =C2=A0I hope that you got the email I sent you earlier today.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Here is the Will of my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake that Janet, from the= Norwich Archives, sent me along with these other two bits of information.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0He died 26 July 1844.=C2=A0=C2=A0Also some family information = on James Lake.=C2=A0 But it's not all correct.=C2=A0 James supposedly had t= hree wives.=C2=A0 My 4x Great Grandmother Jane Elizabeth 1790-1857 was his = last wife.=C2=A0 Isaac, James and John are Jane's children with James, that= I know about and are mentioned in his will.=C2=A0 He mentions another son = William, names a daughter Jane, and 'other daughters' not mentioned.=C2=A0= =C2=A0Janet mentioned a daughter, Mary Polly Lake 1805-1891 She was born in= Albany New York(I found that on Family Search) and died in Brantford.=C2= =A0 She was married in Norwich, Ontario where James was and my Isaac was bo= rn.=C2=A0 Mary Polly is mentioned in the random pieces of information in th= e Lake collected information.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0William was born1815-1906.= =C2=A0 He was born in Brantford and died there.=C2=A0 I found that informat= ion on Ancestry.=C2=A0 I imagine that Mary Polly and William might be from = James's second wife.=C2=A0 I don't know about the 'other daughters' mention= ed in his will and haven't come across any names in my searching.=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0I mentioned, in my early email to you, about the 1891 Census of Ca= nada where Isaac mentions that both his parents were born in the USA.=C2=A0 I hope these help and hopefully we can find out who James parents were.=C2= =A0 I would really like to know where he, and me, belong in the Lake family= tree. Cathy From:loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com on behalf of Craig Kanalley Sent: January 21, 2023 2:52 PM To: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [loyalist-lake] Welcome Cathy Baker=C2=A0Hi Cathy, I'm trying to fit you into our Lake tree, but have been unsuccessful so far= . Question - how confident are you in Isaac Lake b. 1828 being son of James L= ake b. 1757.=C2=A0 James would have been about 70 years old.=C2=A0 Not impo= ssible but it appears like it could be missing a generation in between. Regardless, we do have a James Lake born about at that time to John Lake an= d Margaret Snyder, but he married Margaret Hagerman and eventually settled = down in Odessa, not far from Kiingston.=C2=A0 So it is not a match to your = James. It's possible he was a first cousin to our James, and that you descend of a= sibling of John Lake.=C2=A0 That would explain your DNA experiment when yo= u labeled his parents John Lake and Margaret Snyder.=C2=A0 I believe John h= ad brothers named Henry, Jacob, Thomas, Nicholas and Abraham.=C2=A0 Thomas = had a son James b.1765 who married Hannah Jackson so we can rule that one o= ut.=C2=A0 Jacob's son James was born 1768 in New Jersey so that one doesn't= seem to fit either.=C2=A0 I don't have any other James recorded for the si= blings. Wish I had better news but just not finding a match yet. On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 6:50 PM 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake Family = History wrote: I will add you to the tag group and see what we find. Thanks very much for = including your direct Lake ancestry: "Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born in Hamilton, Ontario= daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952.=C2=A0 His father was James Lake 1864-1= 920, his father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901.=C2=A0 Isaac=E2=80=99s father is J= ames Lake 1757-1844." There is nothing to see for the Google Group. It is solely an e-mail group. On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 03:38:47 PM PST, cathy baker wrote: =EF=BB=BFMy Gedmatch kit number is KN9892304Sadly my Mom passed away in 201= 4. I tried to access the Google group you sent to me and it says it=E2=80=99s = not available so I can=E2=80=99t see it. I would so love to see where Craig Kanalley can fit me into the Lake family= .=C2=A0 Although my Mom knew who her birth Mother was she had passed away s= everal years earlier.Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born = in Hamilton, Ontario daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952.=C2=A0 His father w= as James Lake 1864-1920, his father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901.=C2=A0 Isaac= =E2=80=99s father is James Lake 1757-1844. Cathy Sent from my iPad On Jan 20, 2023, at 5:55 PM, 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake Family His= tory wrote: =EF=BB=BFCathy gives her Lake connection below. Cathy, what is your GEDmatch kit number? (Has your Mom tested, since she wo= uld have twice as much Lake DNA as you?) I will add you to our GEDmatch Mul= tiple Kit Analysis tag group. Craig Kanalley also has a marvelous Google drive spreadsheet where he can f= it you into the big picture. FYI ... There was no "James Madison Lake". The middle name "Madison" is a f= igment of someone's misguided "research". Our James Lake was simply James L= ake. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wesley ----- Forwarded Message -----From: cathy baker To: Wesley Johnston Sent: Friday, January 20, 2= 023 at 05:35:13 AM PSTSubject: Lake family=20 Hello Wesley, I got your email address from Annette Trusdell.=C2=A0 She told me about you= and your researching the Lake family. My Mom was born a Lake but given up for adoption in 1931.=C2=A0 I took a dn= a test with Ancestry and have been building the Lake side of her family. I have up to my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake 1757-26 July 1844 buried in= Mt. Vernon church cemetery Brantford, Ontario. He was marred to Jane Eliza= beth Stover and she was his third wife. I don=E2=80=99t know who his parent= s are. I have dna matches, with other Lakes, that link to John Lake/Anne Spicer an= d the Lakes in Gravesend New York. On a whim I decided to put in John Lake 1728-1835/Margaret Snyder, who came= to Ernestown,Ontario, as his parents to see what might show up.=C2=A0 I fi= gured if nothing did I could remove them. Well four dna matches under their sons Christopher 1, John Jacobus Lake 2 a= nd James Madison Lake 1 showed up.=C2=A0 So there=E2=80=99s a link there I= =E2=80=99m thinking.=C2=A0 I would really appreciate any help you could provide me with in finding out= if my James belongs here or not. Thanks, Cathy=20 Sent from my iPad --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/1574296130.42353.1674255297432%40mail.yahoo.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620A3FAF6BF52004A81B2A4DCC59%40PH8PR19MB662= 0.namprd19.prod.outlook.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/461355645.52354.1674258643665%40mail.yahoo.com. --=20 -Craig Web: http://www.craigkanalley.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ckanal Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ckanalley --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/CAH2dJyaxBUqZMtNfb%3DOVbkRFmYecdUq6XNKatgA%3Djcs4pb-4= 2w%40mail.gmail.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB66200DB8F0D4B61D9E6EED6BDCCA9%40PH8PR19MB662= 0.namprd19.prod.outlook.com. --=20 -Craig --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/CAH2dJybF5zgK4XEcPN0y7vNTOr9WmRZOSE7rrUW%3DEL%3DP9Uap= QA%40mail.gmail.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620612CB0BD3F5BA727811ADCC89%40PH8PR19MB662= 0.namprd19.prod.outlook.com. ---------- 4 of 4 ---------- From: cathy baker Date: Jan 23 07:02PM Url: http://groups.google.com/group/loyalist-lake-history/msg/1bd0a1bdbad63 I messaged several of my Lake dna matches and Elizabeth Murray replied back= so far. Her Gedmatch kit number is A107085. I checked her kit against mine and we s= hare dna on two chr 10 and 19 Her Lake line goes up to John Lake and Neeltje Claessen through their son T= homas. Hope this helps us find some answers. Cathy Sent from my iPad On Jan 23, 2023, at 11:11 AM, 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake Family Hi= story wrote: =EF=BB=BF See if your DNA matches have GEDmatch kit numbers. Then we can include them= in the analysis, which would help to figure out where your James Lake fits= or if your DNA matches are matching on a Lake maternal line. Do you have GEDmatch kit numbers for any of your Lake matches that we can i= nclude in the tag group for analysis? Ancestry simply does not support the = depth of analysis that GEDmatch provides. Wesley On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 04:46:37 AM PST, cathy baker wrote: Funny you mention the Lakes having ties to the Albany area. I just had a newer dna match, pop up while doing research and her Lake line= goes up to Nicholas Lake 1736-1777 married to Mattie Snyder. He died in R= ensselaer New York which I believe is in the Albany area. He being the son= of Nicholas Lake/Mary Janszen from Gravesend NY. Nicholas=E2=80=99s paren= ts being John Lake and Amelia Neeltje Claessen. It seems that many of my Lake, dna matches, end up with the common ancesto= r John Lake/Amelia Neeltje Claessen. That can=E2=80=99t be a coincidence. = I think that my James Lake belongs in that family tree it=E2=80=99s just t= rying to figure out where. What is your opinion on this? Cathy Sent from my iPad On Jan 22, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Craig Kanalley wrote: =EF=BB=BF Hi Cathy, Thanks for your emails, I got all of them, yes. I think the Albany referen= ce is interesting as our Lakes had ties to that greater area. As of now, w= e remain stuck though on how these Lakes intertwine. Craig On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 7:19 PM cathy baker > wrote: Craig, I hope that you got the email I sent you earlier today. Here is the Will of my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake that Janet, from the= Norwich Archives, sent me along with these other two bits of information. = He died 26 July 1844. Also some family information on James Lake. But it's not all correct. Jam= es supposedly had three wives. My 4x Great Grandmother Jane Elizabeth 1790= -1857 was his last wife. Isaac, James and John are Jane's children with Ja= mes, that I know about and are mentioned in his will. He mentions another = son William, names a daughter Jane, and 'other daughters' not mentioned. Janet mentioned a daughter, Mary Polly Lake 1805-1891 She was born in Alban= y New York(I found that on Family Search) and died in Brantford. She was m= arried in Norwich, Ontario where James was and my Isaac was born. Mary Pol= ly is mentioned in the random pieces of information in the Lake collected i= nformation. William was born1815-1906. He was born in Brantford and died there. I fo= und that information on Ancestry. I imagine that Mary Polly and William mi= ght be from James's second wife. I don't know about the 'other daughters' = mentioned in his will and haven't come across any names in my searching. I mentioned, in my early email to you, about the 1891 Census of Canada whe= re Isaac mentions that both his parents were born in the USA. I hope these help and hopefully we can find out who James parents were. I = would really like to know where he, and me, belong in the Lake family tree. Cathy ________________________________ From: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com > on behalf of Craig Kanalley > Sent: January 21, 2023 2:52 PM To: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [loyalist-lake] Welcome Cathy Baker Hi Cathy, I'm trying to fit you into our Lake tree, but have been unsuccessful so far= . Question - how confident are you in Isaac Lake b. 1828 being son of James L= ake b. 1757. James would have been about 70 years old. Not impossible but= it appears like it could be missing a generation in between. Regardless, we do have a James Lake born about at that time to John Lake an= d Margaret Snyder, but he married Margaret Hagerman and eventually settled = down in Odessa, not far from Kiingston. So it is not a match to your James= . It's possible he was a first cousin to our James, and that you descend of a= sibling of John Lake. That would explain your DNA experiment when you lab= eled his parents John Lake and Margaret Snyder. I believe John had brother= s named Henry, Jacob, Thomas, Nicholas and Abraham. Thomas had a son James= b.1765 who married Hannah Jackson so we can rule that one out. Jacob's so= n James was born 1768 in New Jersey so that one doesn't seem to fit either.= I don't have any other James recorded for the siblings. Wish I had better news but just not finding a match yet. On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 6:50 PM 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake Family = History > wrote: I will add you to the tag group and see what we find. Thanks very much for = including your direct Lake ancestry: "Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born in Hamilton, Ontario= daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952. His father was James Lake 1864-1920, = his father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901. Isaac=E2=80=99s father is James Lake = 1757-1844." There is nothing to see for the Google Group. It is solely an e-mail group. On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 03:38:47 PM PST, cathy baker > wrote: =EF=BB=BFMy Gedmatch kit number is KN9892304 Sadly my Mom passed away in 2014. I tried to access the Google group you sent to me and it says it=E2=80=99s = not available so I can=E2=80=99t see it. I would so love to see where Craig Kanalley can fit me into the Lake family= . Although my Mom knew who her birth Mother was she had passed away severa= l years earlier. Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born in Hamilton, Ontario = daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952. His father was James Lake 1864-1920, h= is father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901. Isaac=E2=80=99s father is James Lake 1= 757-1844. Cathy Sent from my iPad On Jan 20, 2023, at 5:55 PM, 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake Family His= tory > wrote: =EF=BB=BF Cathy gives her Lake connection below. Cathy, what is your GEDmatch kit number? (Has your Mom tested, since she wo= uld have twice as much Lake DNA as you?) I will add you to our GEDmatch Mul= tiple Kit Analysis tag group. Craig Kanalley also has a marvelous Google drive spreadsheet where he can f= it you into the big picture. FYI ... There was no "James Madison Lake". The middle name "Madison" is a f= igment of someone's misguided "research". Our James Lake was simply James L= ake. Wesley ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: cathy baker > To: Wesley Johnston > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 at 05:35:13 AM PST Subject: Lake family Hello Wesley, I got your email address from Annette Trusdell. She told me about you and = your researching the Lake family. My Mom was born a Lake but given up for adoption in 1931. I took a dna tes= t with Ancestry and have been building the Lake side of her family. I have up to my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake 1757-26 July 1844 buried in= Mt. Vernon church cemetery Brantford, Ontario. He was marred to Jane Eliza= beth Stover and she was his third wife. I don=E2=80=99t know who his parent= s are. I have dna matches, with other Lakes, that link to John Lake/Anne Spicer an= d the Lakes in Gravesend New York. On a whim I decided to put in John Lake 1728-1835/Margaret Snyder, who came= to Ernestown,Ontario, as his parents to see what might show up. I figured= if nothing did I could remove them. Well four dna matches under their sons Christopher 1, John Jacobus Lake 2 a= nd James Madison Lake 1 showed up. So there=E2=80=99s a link there I=E2=80= =99m thinking. I would really appreciate any help you could provide me with in finding out= if my James belongs here or not. Thanks, Cathy Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/1574296130.42353.1674255297432%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620A3FAF6BF52004A81B2A4DCC59%40PH8PR19MB662= 0.namprd19.prod.outlook.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/461355645.52354.1674258643665%40mail.yahoo.com. -- -Craig Web: http://www.craigkanalley.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ckanal Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ckanalley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/CAH2dJyaxBUqZMtNfb%3DOVbkRFmYecdUq6XNKatgA%3Djcs4pb-4= 2w%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB66200DB8F0D4B61D9E6EED6BDCCA9%40PH8PR19MB662= 0.namprd19.prod.outlook.com. -- -Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/CAH2dJybF5zgK4XEcPN0y7vNTOr9WmRZOSE7rrUW%3DEL%3DP9Uap= QA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620612CB0= BD3F5BA727811ADCC89%40PH8PR19MB6620.namprd19.prod.outlook.com . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Loyalist Lake Family History" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= loyalist-lake-history/1785205541.482939.1674490301293%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this grou= p. You can change your settings on the group membership page:=20 https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=3Ddigest&utm_medium=3Demail#!= forum/loyalist-lake-history/join . To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an em= ail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. --0016367f94b4b30060474d22062 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20
cathy baker <marycatherinebaker@hotmail.com>: Jan 23 12:46P= M

Funny you mention the Lakes having ties to the Albany area.
I just had a newer dna match, pop up while doing research and her Lake line= goes up to Nicholas Lake 1736-1777 married to Mattie Snyder. He died in R= ensselaer New York which I believe is in the Albany area. He being the son= of Nicholas Lake/Mary Janszen from Gravesend NY. Nicholas=E2=80=99s paren= ts being John Lake and Amelia Neeltje Claessen.
It seems that many of my Lake, dna matches, end up with the common ancesto= r John Lake/Amelia Neeltje Claessen. That can=E2=80=99t be a coincidence. = I think that my James Lake belongs in that family tree it=E2=80=99s just t= rying to figure out where.
 
What is your opinion on this?
 
Cathy
 
 
Sent from my iPad
 
On Jan 22, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Craig Kanalley <ckanalley@gmail.com> wr= ote:
 
=EF=BB=BF
Hi Cathy,
 
Thanks for your emails, I got all of them, yes. I think the Albany referen= ce is interesting as our Lakes had ties to that greater area. As of now, w= e remain stuck though on how these Lakes intertwine.
 
Craig
 
On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 7:19 PM cathy baker <marycatherinebaker@hotmail.= com<mailto:marycatherinebaker@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Craig,
 
I hope that you got the email I sent you earlier today.
 
Here is the Will of my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake that Janet, from the= Norwich Archives, sent me along with these other two bits of information. = He died 26 July 1844.
Also some family information on James Lake. But it's not all correct. = James supposedly had three wives. My 4x Great Grandmother Jane Elizabeth = 1790-1857 was his last wife. Isaac, James and John are Jane's children= with James, that I know about and are mentioned in his will. He mentions = another son William, names a daughter Jane, and 'other daughters' n= ot mentioned.
Janet mentioned a daughter, Mary Polly Lake 1805-1891 She was born in Alban= y New York(I found that on Family Search) and died in Brantford. She was m= arried in Norwich, Ontario where James was and my Isaac was born. Mary Pol= ly is mentioned in the random pieces of information in the Lake collected i= nformation.
William was born1815-1906. He was born in Brantford and died there. I fo= und that information on Ancestry. I imagine that Mary Polly and William mi= ght be from James's second wife. I don't know about the 'other= daughters' mentioned in his will and haven't come across any names= in my searching.
I mentioned, in my early email to you, about the 1891 Census of Canada whe= re Isaac mentions that both his parents were born in the USA.
 
I hope these help and hopefully we can find out who James parents were. I = would really like to know where he, and me, belong in the Lake family tree.=
 
Cathy
 
________________________________
From: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyalist-lake-histor= y@googlegroups.com> <loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto= :loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Craig Kanalley= <ckanalley@gmail.com<mailto:ckanalley@gmail.com>>
Sent: January 21, 2023 2:52 PM
To: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyalist-lake-history@= googlegroups.com> <loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto:l= oyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [loyalist-lake] Welcome Cathy Baker
 
Hi Cathy,
 
I'm trying to fit you into our Lake tree, but have been unsuccessful so= far.
 
Question - how confident are you in Isaac Lake b. 1828 being son of James L= ake b. 1757. James would have been about 70 years old. Not impossible but= it appears like it could be missing a generation in between.
 
Regardless, we do have a James Lake born about at that time to John Lake an= d Margaret Snyder, but he married Margaret Hagerman and eventually settled = down in Odessa, not far from Kiingston. So it is not a match to your James= .
 
It's possible he was a first cousin to our James, and that you descend = of a sibling of John Lake. That would explain your DNA experiment when you= labeled his parents John Lake and Margaret Snyder. I believe John had bro= thers named Henry, Jacob, Thomas, Nicholas and Abraham. Thomas had a son J= ames b.1765 who married Hannah Jackson so we can rule that one out. Jacob&= #39;s son James was born 1768 in New Jersey so that one doesn't seem to= fit either. I don't have any other James recorded for the siblings.  
Wish I had better news but just not finding a match yet.
 
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 6:50 PM 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake= Family History <loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
I will add you to the tag group and see what we find. Thanks very much for = including your direct Lake ancestry:
 
"Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born in Hamilton, On= tario daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952. His father was James Lake 1864-1= 920, his father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901. Isaac=E2=80=99s father is James = Lake 1757-1844."
 
There is nothing to see for the Google Group. It is solely an e-mail group.=
 
 
 
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 03:38:47 PM PST, cathy baker <marycatheri= nebaker@hotmail.com<mailto:marycatherinebaker@hotmail.com>> wrote:=
 
 
=EF=BB=BFMy Gedmatch kit number is KN9892304
Sadly my Mom passed away in 2014.
 
I tried to access the Google group you sent to me and it says it=E2=80=99s = not available so I can=E2=80=99t see it.
 
I would so love to see where Craig Kanalley can fit me into the Lake family= . Although my Mom knew who her birth Mother was she had passed away severa= l years earlier.
Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born in Hamilton, Ontario = daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952. His father was James Lake 1864-1920, h= is father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901. Isaac=E2=80=99s father is James Lake 1= 757-1844.
 
 
Cathy
 
Sent from my iPad
 
On Jan 20, 2023, at 5:55 PM, 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake Fa= mily History <loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyalist-= lake-history@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
 
=EF=BB=BF
Cathy gives her Lake connection below.
 
Cathy, what is your GEDmatch kit number? (Has your Mom tested, since she wo= uld have twice as much Lake DNA as you?) I will add you to our GEDmatch Mul= tiple Kit Analysis tag group.
 
Craig Kanalley also has a marvelous Google drive spreadsheet where he can f= it you into the big picture.
 
FYI ... There was no "James Madison Lake". The middle name "= Madison" is a figment of someone's misguided "research".= Our James Lake was simply James Lake.
 
Wesley
 
 
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: cathy baker <marycatherinebaker@hotmail.com<mailto:marycatherin= ebaker@hotmail.com>>
To: Wesley Johnston <wwjohnston01@yahoo.com<mailto:wwjohnston01@yahoo= .com>>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 at 05:35:13 AM PST
Subject: Lake family
 
Hello Wesley,
 
I got your email address from Annette Trusdell. She told me about you and = your researching the Lake family.
My Mom was born a Lake but given up for adoption in 1931. I took a dna tes= t with Ancestry and have been building the Lake side of her family.
I have up to my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake 1757-26 July 1844 buried in= Mt. Vernon church cemetery Brantford, Ontario. He was marred to Jane Eliza= beth Stover and she was his third wife. I don=E2=80=99t know who his parent= s are.
I have dna matches, with other Lakes, that link to John Lake/Anne Spicer an= d the Lakes in Gravesend New York.
On a whim I decided to put in John Lake 1728-1835/Margaret Snyder, who came= to Ernestown,Ontario, as his parents to see what might show up. I figured= if nothing did I could remove them.
Well four dna matches under their sons Christopher 1, John Jacobus Lake 2 a= nd James Madison Lake 1 showed up. So there=E2=80=99s a link there I=E2=80= =99m thinking.
 
I would really appreciate any help you could provide me with in finding out= if my James belongs here or not.
 
Thanks, Cathy
 
Sent from my iPad
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/1574296130.4= 2353.1674255297432%40mail.yahoo.com<https://groups.google.com/d= /msgid/loyalist-lake-history/1574296130.42353.1674255297432%40mail.yahoo.co= m?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>.
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/l= oyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620A3FAF6BF52004A81B2A4DCC59%40PH8PR19MB6620= .namprd19.prod.outlook.com<htt= ps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620A3FAF6BF5= 2004A81B2A4DCC59%40PH8PR19MB6620.namprd19.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=3Dema= il&utm_source=3Dfooter>.
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/461355645.523= 54.1674258643665%40mail.yahoo.com<https://groups.google.com/d/ms= gid/loyalist-lake-history/461355645.52354.1674258643665%40mail.yahoo.com?ut= m_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>.
 
 
--
-Craig
 
Web: http://www.craigkanalley.com<= /a>
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/c= kanal
Facebook: http://www.facebook= .com/ckanalley
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-= lake-history/CAH2dJyaxBUqZMtNfb%3DOVbkRFmYecdUq6XNKatgA%3Djcs4pb-42w%40mail= .gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d= /msgid/loyalist-lake-history/CAH2dJyaxBUqZMtNfb%3DOVbkRFmYecdUq6XNKatgA%3Dj= cs4pb-42w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>.<= br />  
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/l= oyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB66200DB8F0D4B61D9E6EED6BDCCA9%40PH8PR19MB6620= .namprd19.prod.outlook.com<htt= ps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB66200DB8F0D4B= 61D9E6EED6BDCCA9%40PH8PR19MB6620.namprd19.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=3Dema= il&utm_source=3Dfooter>.
--
-Craig
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-= lake-history/CAH2dJybF5zgK4XEcPN0y7vNTOr9WmRZOSE7rrUW%3DEL%3DP9UapQA%40mail= .gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d= /msgid/loyalist-lake-history/CAH2dJybF5zgK4XEcPN0y7vNTOr9WmRZOSE7rrUW%3DEL%= 3DP9UapQA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>.<= br />
Craig Kanalley <ckanalley@gmail.com>: Jan 23 10:15AM -0500

I believe you=E2=80=99re right, it=E2=80=99s just a matter of where= in the tree James Lake
fits. DNA evidence is new in that we didn=E2=80=99t have this decades ago.= Now we
do and a link appears to be there based on your matches.
 
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 7:46 AM cathy baker <marycatherinebaker@hotmail.= com>
wrote:
 
 
--
-Craig
Wesley Johnston <wwjohnston01@yahoo.com>: Jan 23 04:11PM

See if your DNA matches have GEDmatch kit numbers. Then we can incl= ude them in the analysis, which would help to figure out where your James L= ake fits or if your DNA matches are matching on a Lake maternal line.
Do you have GEDmatch kit numbers for any of your Lake matches that we can i= nclude in the tag group for analysis? Ancestry simply does not support the = depth of analysis that GEDmatch provides.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wesley
 
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 04:46:37 AM PST, cathy baker <marycat= herinebaker@hotmail.com> wrote:

Funny you mention the Lakes having ties to the Albany area.I just had a ne= wer dna match, pop up while doing research and her Lake line goes up to Nic= holas Lake 1736-1777 married to Mattie Snyder. =C2=A0He died in Rensselaer = New York which I believe is in the Albany area. =C2=A0He being the son of N= icholas Lake/Mary Janszen from Gravesend NY. =C2=A0Nicholas=E2=80=99s paren= ts being John Lake and Amelia Neeltje Claessen.=C2=A0It seems that many of = my Lake, dna matches, end up with the common ancestor John Lake/Amelia Neel= tje Claessen. =C2=A0That can=E2=80=99t be a coincidence. =C2=A0I think that= my James Lake belongs in that family tree it=E2=80=99s just trying to figu= re out where.
What is your opinion on this? =C2=A0
Cathy
 
Sent from my iPad
 
On Jan 22, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Craig Kanalley <ckanalley@gmail.com> wr= ote:
 
 
 
=EF=BB=BFHi Cathy,
Thanks for your emails, I got all of them, yes.=C2=A0 I think the Albany re= ference is interesting as our Lakes had ties to that greater area.=C2=A0 As= of now, we remain stuck though on how these Lakes intertwine.
Craig=C2=A0
On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 7:19 PM cathy baker <marycatherinebaker@hotmail.= com> wrote:
 
Craig,
=C2=A0I hope that you got the email I sent you earlier today.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Here is the Will of my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake that Janet, from the= Norwich Archives, sent me along with these other two bits of information.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0He died 26 July 1844.=C2=A0=C2=A0Also some family information = on James Lake.=C2=A0 But it's not all correct.=C2=A0 James supposedly h= ad three wives.=C2=A0 My 4x Great Grandmother Jane Elizabeth 1790-1857 was = his last wife.=C2=A0 Isaac, James and John are Jane's children with Jam= es, that I know about and are mentioned in his will.=C2=A0 He mentions anot= her son William, names a daughter Jane, and 'other daughters' not m= entioned.=C2=A0=C2=A0Janet mentioned a daughter, Mary Polly Lake 1805-1891 = She was born in Albany New York(I found that on Family Search) and died in = Brantford.=C2=A0 She was married in Norwich, Ontario where James was and my= Isaac was born.=C2=A0 Mary Polly is mentioned in the random pieces of info= rmation in the Lake collected information.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0William was bor= n1815-1906.=C2=A0 He was born in Brantford and died there.=C2=A0 I found th= at information on Ancestry.=C2=A0 I imagine that Mary Polly and William might be from James&#= 39;s second wife.=C2=A0 I don't know about the 'other daughters'= ; mentioned in his will and haven't come across any names in my searchi= ng.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0I mentioned, in my early email to you, about the 1891 = Census of Canada where Isaac mentions that both his parents were born in th= e USA.=C2=A0
I hope these help and hopefully we can find out who James parents were.=C2= =A0 I would really like to know where he, and me, belong in the Lake family= tree.
Cathy
From:loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com <loyalist-lake-history@googl= egroups.com> on behalf of Craig Kanalley <ckanalley@gmail.com>
Sent: January 21, 2023 2:52 PM
To: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com <loyalist-lake-history@google= groups.com>
Subject: Re: [loyalist-lake] Welcome Cathy Baker=C2=A0Hi Cathy,
I'm trying to fit you into our Lake tree, but have been unsuccessful so= far.
Question - how confident are you in Isaac Lake b. 1828 being son of James L= ake b. 1757.=C2=A0 James would have been about 70 years old.=C2=A0 Not impo= ssible but it appears like it could be missing a generation in between.
Regardless, we do have a James Lake born about at that time to John Lake an= d Margaret Snyder, but he married Margaret Hagerman and eventually settled = down in Odessa, not far from Kiingston.=C2=A0 So it is not a match to your = James.
It's possible he was a first cousin to our James, and that you descend = of a sibling of John Lake.=C2=A0 That would explain your DNA experiment whe= n you labeled his parents John Lake and Margaret Snyder.=C2=A0 I believe Jo= hn had brothers named Henry, Jacob, Thomas, Nicholas and Abraham.=C2=A0 Tho= mas had a son James b.1765 who married Hannah Jackson so we can rule that o= ne out.=C2=A0 Jacob's son James was born 1768 in New Jersey so that one= doesn't seem to fit either.=C2=A0 I don't have any other James rec= orded for the siblings.
Wish I had better news but just not finding a match yet.
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 6:50 PM 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake= Family History <loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
I will add you to the tag group and see what we find. Thanks very much for = including your direct Lake ancestry:
"Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born in Hamilton, On= tario daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952.=C2=A0 His father was James Lake 1= 864-1920, his father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901.=C2=A0 Isaac=E2=80=99s father= is James Lake 1757-1844."
 
There is nothing to see for the Google Group. It is solely an e-mail group.=
 
 
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 03:38:47 PM PST, cathy baker <marycatheri= nebaker@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
=EF=BB=BFMy Gedmatch kit number is KN9892304Sadly my Mom passed away in 201= 4.
I tried to access the Google group you sent to me and it says it=E2=80=99s = not available so I can=E2=80=99t see it.
I would so love to see where Craig Kanalley can fit me into the Lake family= .=C2=A0 Although my Mom knew who her birth Mother was she had passed away s= everal years earlier.Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born = in Hamilton, Ontario daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952.=C2=A0 His father w= as James Lake 1864-1920, his father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901.=C2=A0 Isaac= =E2=80=99s father is James Lake 1757-1844.
 
Cathy
Sent from my iPad
 
On Jan 20, 2023, at 5:55 PM, 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake Fa= mily History <loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 
=EF=BB=BFCathy gives her Lake connection below.
Cathy, what is your GEDmatch kit number? (Has your Mom tested, since she wo= uld have twice as much Lake DNA as you?) I will add you to our GEDmatch Mul= tiple Kit Analysis tag group.
Craig Kanalley also has a marvelous Google drive spreadsheet where he can f= it you into the big picture.
FYI ... There was no "James Madison Lake". The middle name "= Madison" is a figment of someone's misguided "research".= Our James Lake was simply James Lake.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wesley
 
----- Forwarded Message -----From: cathy baker <marycatherinebaker@hotma= il.com>To: Wesley Johnston <wwjohnston01@yahoo.com>Sent: Friday, J= anuary 20, 2023 at 05:35:13 AM PSTSubject: Lake family
Hello Wesley,
 
I got your email address from Annette Trusdell.=C2=A0 She told me about you= and your researching the Lake family.
My Mom was born a Lake but given up for adoption in 1931.=C2=A0 I took a dn= a test with Ancestry and have been building the Lake side of her family. I have up to my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake 1757-26 July 1844 buried in= Mt. Vernon church cemetery Brantford, Ontario. He was marred to Jane Eliza= beth Stover and she was his third wife. I don=E2=80=99t know who his parent= s are.
I have dna matches, with other Lakes, that link to John Lake/Anne Spicer an= d the Lakes in Gravesend New York.
On a whim I decided to put in John Lake 1728-1835/Margaret Snyder, who came= to Ernestown,Ontario, as his parents to see what might show up.=C2=A0 I fi= gured if nothing did I could remove them.
Well four dna matches under their sons Christopher 1, John Jacobus Lake 2 a= nd James Madison Lake 1 showed up.=C2=A0 So there=E2=80=99s a link there I= =E2=80=99m thinking.=C2=A0
 
I would really appreciate any help you could provide me with in finding out= if my James belongs here or not.
 
Thanks, Cathy
 
Sent from my iPad
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/1574296130.4= 2353.1674255297432%40mail.yahoo.com.
 
 
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/l= oyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620A3FAF6BF52004A81B2A4DCC59%40PH8PR19MB6620= .namprd19.prod.outlook.com.
 
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/461355645.523= 54.1674258643665%40mail.yahoo.com.
 
 
 
--
-Craig
Web: http://www.craigkanalley.com<= /a>
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/c= kanal
Facebook: http://www.facebook= .com/ckanalley
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-= lake-history/CAH2dJyaxBUqZMtNfb%3DOVbkRFmYecdUq6XNKatgA%3Djcs4pb-42w%40mail= .gmail.com.
 
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/l= oyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB66200DB8F0D4B61D9E6EED6BDCCA9%40PH8PR19MB6620= .namprd19.prod.outlook.com.
 
--
-Craig
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail toloyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-= lake-history/CAH2dJybF5zgK4XEcPN0y7vNTOr9WmRZOSE7rrUW%3DEL%3DP9UapQA%40mail= .gmail.com.
 
 
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/l= oyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620612CB0BD3F5BA727811ADCC89%40PH8PR19MB6620= .namprd19.prod.outlook.com.
cathy baker <marycatherinebaker@hotmail.com>: Jan 23 07:02P= M

I messaged several of my Lake dna matches and Elizabeth Murray repl= ied back so far.
Her Gedmatch kit number is A107085. I checked her kit against mine and we s= hare dna on two chr 10 and 19
 
Her Lake line goes up to John Lake and Neeltje Claessen through their son T= homas.
 
Hope this helps us find some answers.
 
Cathy
 
 
 
Sent from my iPad
 
On Jan 23, 2023, at 11:11 AM, 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake F= amily History <loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
=EF=BB=BF
See if your DNA matches have GEDmatch kit numbers. Then we can include them= in the analysis, which would help to figure out where your James Lake fits= or if your DNA matches are matching on a Lake maternal line.
 
Do you have GEDmatch kit numbers for any of your Lake matches that we can i= nclude in the tag group for analysis? Ancestry simply does not support the = depth of analysis that GEDmatch provides.
 
Wesley
 
 
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 04:46:37 AM PST, cathy baker <marycatheri= nebaker@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
 
Funny you mention the Lakes having ties to the Albany area.
I just had a newer dna match, pop up while doing research and her Lake line= goes up to Nicholas Lake 1736-1777 married to Mattie Snyder. He died in R= ensselaer New York which I believe is in the Albany area. He being the son= of Nicholas Lake/Mary Janszen from Gravesend NY. Nicholas=E2=80=99s paren= ts being John Lake and Amelia Neeltje Claessen.
It seems that many of my Lake, dna matches, end up with the common ancesto= r John Lake/Amelia Neeltje Claessen. That can=E2=80=99t be a coincidence. = I think that my James Lake belongs in that family tree it=E2=80=99s just t= rying to figure out where.
 
What is your opinion on this?
 
Cathy
 
 
Sent from my iPad
 
On Jan 22, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Craig Kanalley <ckanalley@gmail.com> wr= ote:
 
=EF=BB=BF
Hi Cathy,
 
Thanks for your emails, I got all of them, yes. I think the Albany referen= ce is interesting as our Lakes had ties to that greater area. As of now, w= e remain stuck though on how these Lakes intertwine.
 
Craig
 
On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 7:19 PM cathy baker <marycatherinebaker@hotmail.= com<mailto:marycatherinebaker@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Craig,
 
I hope that you got the email I sent you earlier today.
 
Here is the Will of my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake that Janet, from the= Norwich Archives, sent me along with these other two bits of information. = He died 26 July 1844.
Also some family information on James Lake. But it's not all correct. = James supposedly had three wives. My 4x Great Grandmother Jane Elizabeth = 1790-1857 was his last wife. Isaac, James and John are Jane's children= with James, that I know about and are mentioned in his will. He mentions = another son William, names a daughter Jane, and 'other daughters' n= ot mentioned.
Janet mentioned a daughter, Mary Polly Lake 1805-1891 She was born in Alban= y New York(I found that on Family Search) and died in Brantford. She was m= arried in Norwich, Ontario where James was and my Isaac was born. Mary Pol= ly is mentioned in the random pieces of information in the Lake collected i= nformation.
William was born1815-1906. He was born in Brantford and died there. I fo= und that information on Ancestry. I imagine that Mary Polly and William mi= ght be from James's second wife. I don't know about the 'other= daughters' mentioned in his will and haven't come across any names= in my searching.
I mentioned, in my early email to you, about the 1891 Census of Canada whe= re Isaac mentions that both his parents were born in the USA.
 
I hope these help and hopefully we can find out who James parents were. I = would really like to know where he, and me, belong in the Lake family tree.=
 
Cathy
 
________________________________
From: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyalist-lake-histor= y@googlegroups.com> <loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto= :loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Craig Kanalley= <ckanalley@gmail.com<mailto:ckanalley@gmail.com>>
Sent: January 21, 2023 2:52 PM
To: loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyalist-lake-history@= googlegroups.com> <loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto:l= oyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [loyalist-lake] Welcome Cathy Baker
 
Hi Cathy,
 
I'm trying to fit you into our Lake tree, but have been unsuccessful so= far.
 
Question - how confident are you in Isaac Lake b. 1828 being son of James L= ake b. 1757. James would have been about 70 years old. Not impossible but= it appears like it could be missing a generation in between.
 
Regardless, we do have a James Lake born about at that time to John Lake an= d Margaret Snyder, but he married Margaret Hagerman and eventually settled = down in Odessa, not far from Kiingston. So it is not a match to your James= .
 
It's possible he was a first cousin to our James, and that you descend = of a sibling of John Lake. That would explain your DNA experiment when you= labeled his parents John Lake and Margaret Snyder. I believe John had bro= thers named Henry, Jacob, Thomas, Nicholas and Abraham. Thomas had a son J= ames b.1765 who married Hannah Jackson so we can rule that one out. Jacob&= #39;s son James was born 1768 in New Jersey so that one doesn't seem to= fit either. I don't have any other James recorded for the siblings.  
Wish I had better news but just not finding a match yet.
 
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 6:50 PM 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake= Family History <loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
I will add you to the tag group and see what we find. Thanks very much for = including your direct Lake ancestry:
 
"Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born in Hamilton, On= tario daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952. His father was James Lake 1864-1= 920, his father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901. Isaac=E2=80=99s father is James = Lake 1757-1844."
 
There is nothing to see for the Google Group. It is solely an e-mail group.=
 
 
 
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 03:38:47 PM PST, cathy baker <marycatheri= nebaker@hotmail.com<mailto:marycatherinebaker@hotmail.com>> wrote:=
 
 
=EF=BB=BFMy Gedmatch kit number is KN9892304
Sadly my Mom passed away in 2014.
 
I tried to access the Google group you sent to me and it says it=E2=80=99s = not available so I can=E2=80=99t see it.
 
I would so love to see where Craig Kanalley can fit me into the Lake family= . Although my Mom knew who her birth Mother was she had passed away severa= l years earlier.
Her birth Mother was Dorothy May Lake 1911-1986. Born in Hamilton, Ontario = daughter of Frank W Lake 1890-1952. His father was James Lake 1864-1920, h= is father was Isaac Lake 1828-1901. Isaac=E2=80=99s father is James Lake 1= 757-1844.
 
 
Cathy
 
Sent from my iPad
 
On Jan 20, 2023, at 5:55 PM, 'Wesley Johnston' via Loyalist Lake Fa= mily History <loyalist-lake-history@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyalist-= lake-history@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
 
=EF=BB=BF
Cathy gives her Lake connection below.
 
Cathy, what is your GEDmatch kit number? (Has your Mom tested, since she wo= uld have twice as much Lake DNA as you?) I will add you to our GEDmatch Mul= tiple Kit Analysis tag group.
 
Craig Kanalley also has a marvelous Google drive spreadsheet where he can f= it you into the big picture.
 
FYI ... There was no "James Madison Lake". The middle name "= Madison" is a figment of someone's misguided "research".= Our James Lake was simply James Lake.
 
Wesley
 
 
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: cathy baker <marycatherinebaker@hotmail.com<mailto:marycatherin= ebaker@hotmail.com>>
To: Wesley Johnston <wwjohnston01@yahoo.com<mailto:wwjohnston01@yahoo= .com>>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 at 05:35:13 AM PST
Subject: Lake family
 
Hello Wesley,
 
I got your email address from Annette Trusdell. She told me about you and = your researching the Lake family.
My Mom was born a Lake but given up for adoption in 1931. I took a dna tes= t with Ancestry and have been building the Lake side of her family.
I have up to my 4x Great Grandfather James Lake 1757-26 July 1844 buried in= Mt. Vernon church cemetery Brantford, Ontario. He was marred to Jane Eliza= beth Stover and she was his third wife. I don=E2=80=99t know who his parent= s are.
I have dna matches, with other Lakes, that link to John Lake/Anne Spicer an= d the Lakes in Gravesend New York.
On a whim I decided to put in John Lake 1728-1835/Margaret Snyder, who came= to Ernestown,Ontario, as his parents to see what might show up. I figured= if nothing did I could remove them.
Well four dna matches under their sons Christopher 1, John Jacobus Lake 2 a= nd James Madison Lake 1 showed up. So there=E2=80=99s a link there I=E2=80= =99m thinking.
 
I would really appreciate any help you could provide me with in finding out= if my James belongs here or not.
 
Thanks, Cathy
 
Sent from my iPad
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/1574296130.4= 2353.1674255297432%40mail.yahoo.com<https://groups.google.com/d= /msgid/loyalist-lake-history/1574296130.42353.1674255297432%40mail.yahoo.co= m?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>.
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/l= oyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620A3FAF6BF52004A81B2A4DCC59%40PH8PR19MB6620= .namprd19.prod.outlook.com<htt= ps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620A3FAF6BF5= 2004A81B2A4DCC59%40PH8PR19MB6620.namprd19.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=3Dema= il&utm_source=3Dfooter>.
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/461355645.523= 54.1674258643665%40mail.yahoo.com<https://groups.google.com/d/ms= gid/loyalist-lake-history/461355645.52354.1674258643665%40mail.yahoo.com?ut= m_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>.
 
 
--
-Craig
 
Web: http://www.craigkanalley.com<= /a>
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/c= kanal
Facebook: http://www.facebook= .com/ckanalley
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-= lake-history/CAH2dJyaxBUqZMtNfb%3DOVbkRFmYecdUq6XNKatgA%3Djcs4pb-42w%40mail= .gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d= /msgid/loyalist-lake-history/CAH2dJyaxBUqZMtNfb%3DOVbkRFmYecdUq6XNKatgA%3Dj= cs4pb-42w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>.<= br />  
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/l= oyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB66200DB8F0D4B61D9E6EED6BDCCA9%40PH8PR19MB6620= .namprd19.prod.outlook.com<htt= ps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB66200DB8F0D4B= 61D9E6EED6BDCCA9%40PH8PR19MB6620.namprd19.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=3Dema= il&utm_source=3Dfooter>.
--
-Craig
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-= lake-history/CAH2dJybF5zgK4XEcPN0y7vNTOr9WmRZOSE7rrUW%3DEL%3DP9UapQA%40mail= .gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d= /msgid/loyalist-lake-history/CAH2dJybF5zgK4XEcPN0y7vNTOr9WmRZOSE7rrUW%3DEL%= 3DP9UapQA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>.<= br />  
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit
h= ttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/PH8PR19MB6620612CB0B= D3F5BA727811ADCC89%40PH8PR19MB6620.namprd19.prod.outlook.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-l= ake-history/PH8PR19MB6620612CB0BD3F5BA727811ADCC89%40PH8PR19MB6620.namprd19= .prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>
.
 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Loyalist Lake Family History" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com<mailto:loyali= st-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/1785205541.= 482939.1674490301293%40mail.yahoo.com<https://groups.google.co= m/d/msgid/loyalist-lake-history/1785205541.482939.1674490301293%40mail.yaho= o.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>.
=20 You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for thi= s group. You can change your settings on the group membership page. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send= an email to loyalist-lake-history+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
--0016367f94b4b30060474d22062--