From: flake at suscom.net (Frank Lake) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:50:45 -0500 Subject: Lake in Lanchester PA & Sir Edward LAKE, bt. & other English LAKEs Here are a few references of LAKEs in connection with the Huntington Library, 1151 Oxford Rd, San Marino CA 9108 I was looking for details of miscellaneous papers they are reputed to hold of Sir Edward LAKE 1600-1674 Baronet, lawyer, Royalist. According to the (English) Historic Manuscripts Commission National Register of Archives, their references GB/NNAF/P30097 & NRA 10029 Hastings, the Huntington Library reference is HU which seems unlikely. I could not find the reference in the Huntingdon Library catalog but came across the following: Call # mssLake, Ann Author Lake, Ann Title Papers of Ann Lake, 1820-1872 LOCATION CALL # Manuscripts mssLake, Ann Description 53 pieces 1 box Organization Arranged in chronological order Biog. note Ann Getz Hutchinson Leech Lake, a native of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, lived in Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati before she came to California in 1861 to live with her daughter. Her daughter's husband was Dr. Jacob Newton Brown, who practived medicine in San Jose Summary The collection consists of letters and documents related to Ann Lake and her family. Many of the letters discuss family life in Pennsylvania and Ohio as well as various family members. There are also some letters about the Civil War (including one by John Shaw Billings) and one letter each from Benjamin Franklin Shumard and George G. Shumard regarding explorations in the West. Other correspondents in the collection include Dr. Jacob Newton Brown and Ann Lake's second husband, Andrew Leech The Huntington Library also holds papers about Arthur Lake, 1569 - 1626 Bishop of Wells. Their catalog can be searched on-line - see http://www.huntington.org/LibraryDiv/LibraryHome.html The National Register of Archives can also be searched on-line http://www.hmc.gov.uk/nra/nra2.htm and contains a number of other English Lakes including Sir Thomas Lake, brother of Arthur and one of James I's Secretaries of State. He came to a somewhat ignominious end when his wife and daughter were found to be spreading malicious scandal at court and he was not controlling them! He was sent to the Tower of London and managed to survive till released but retired from politics. However the amount of family or genealogical data in the referenced papers will be variable, often none. There is none on the web-site. If anyone feels the urge to go to the Huntington Library, I would appreciate details of Sir Edward's papers and whether they could be copied, etc. Frank From: flake at suscom.net (Frank Lake) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:14:34 -0500 Subject: [lake-surname] Lake in Lanchester PA & Sir Edward LAKE, bt. & other English LAKEs Marshal et al., I am not sure the Huntington Library is a public library. Even within PA, it is up to the discretion of the holding public library as to whether they will lend reference books or not. I have borrowed such books but was required to read them in my local reference library. Some of my requests for reference books have been refused. I would be very surprised if the papers of Sir Edward Lake would be available on loan. Since they must have been written before Feb 1675 they are most likely very fragile. The only hope would be to get a copy of them. This may be a service offered by the Library but without knowing how many papers and what size, there might be a shock when the copies arrived. Perhaps the Library would give a quote and say something about the content. However, I did not see anything on the web site about queries and services - hence the request for someone to visit. The Ann Lake papers may be more robust, but not necessarily so - depending on the quantity of paper used. My impression is that there could be a large number of papers which are not catalogued individually. I would think the amount would require someone to look at the papers to see what might be worth copying. Hence the request for someone to visit although personally my interest is only in Sir Edward's papers and not Ann Lake's. As a possible example of costs, I found what I thought to be Sir Edward's will in the on-line catalog at the PRO in London. There it is possible to get estimates of the cost of copying for a fee of about $15 for up to three copies which is taken off the cost of copying, if undertaken. I paid my $15 and received an estimate of about $50 for the 'will' and about $20 for a paper concerning Sir Edward. The reason for the $50 which did included p & p was due to the fact that it had to be copied onto A2 or A1 sized paper. I have a transcript of the will and knew it to be very lengthy (Sir Edward was a lawyer) and hence was not surprised at the paper size. I paid my money for the 'will' deciding the other document could wait for another day. When the 'will' arrived, I found the dimensions are about 50 x 6 inches which explains the need for a large sheet of paper but the amount of content was not as expected. As it turned out, it was not Sir Edward's will but the list of the contents of his and his housekeeper's houses, room by room, at the time of his death. Still very interesting. The point of this is that the cost of copying (very) old documents may be greater that expected from the amount of information since the dimensions of paper could be non-standard. Frank