From: "Glen Atwell" Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:11:19 -0400 I cant recall where I got that picture of Bibye Atwell Lke but I think it had something to do with the Hudson BAY Company that he became the controller of. He lived at Edmonton the name of his manor House near London England. And here is the CRUX of problem that I am trying to find a "Proof" to in genealogy. There were TWO branches of LAKES in AMERICA basically , Thomas Lake up in Kennebec Maine and the Lakes near SALEM. They seem to have come from some common family but they were divided in the English Civil War. One Branch seems to be related to the Archbishop of Exeter. (Atwells from Wellston Devon UK lived nearby as did the Jordan and other settlers). For the Puritans who were SPITEFUL Puritan and Tyrannical they had a problem with people associated with the Church of England who they rebelled against. Thomas Lake the first Aristocrat made his fortune in Uniforms for the Kings Army. (He is the common ancestor of George Bush and KERRY and other Presidents) And Thomas Lake was a Royalist wounded defending the King. Thomas Lake the Immigrant was a member of the Royalist AncientArtillery Society in Boston. Many of our Atwell relations were associated with GOFF, WHALEY and AXTELL who were the men who actually Killed King Charles I. So you see we were very influential and very Opposite in the reason we were in America. HOWEVER I cannot PROVE my connection to these ATWELL and Lake family members in Kennebec and Portland and Falmouth Maine. I can only say there is some common families we would continue to intermarry for over a Century such as Jordan and SKILLING and Main (Mayne) amongst others. So there was a RIFT of some sorts between the Braches of the family. The Southern Atwells in Virginia could very well be brothers to the Northern ATWELL-Lake families. However they are Royalists. The Family has a link to the families that surround Sir Walter Raleigh. We also have some very telling marriages to people associated with Piracy which became the occupation of the Royalists during the Cromwell era. William Atwell was buried in 1690 in Port Royal JAMAICA along with its former Governor Henry Morgan. I am now exploring some strange associations to Captain KIDD the pirate as we are likely the relative of his wife, Sarah Oort. Our common Ancestor being a Holton and there are some historically significant common legends that surround us. (Such as Gardiner's island where Kidd hid his treasure) SO to conclude MY ATWELL in Connecticut seems to be an Isolated upstart between the plantings of TWO branches of ATWELL-LAKE families associated with Pirates and Indians. (You will notice there are LAKE and ROLFE families intermarried) If you look back from ATWELL--Westcott marriage you will find the guardians of THOMAS ROLFE named Sir William Stuckley who was given the responsibility for educating the son of Pocahontas. (The English Civil WAR would play out its common theme of the men of wealth against men of power in America in YOUR CIVIL war (That killed off half my family) and indeed if you trace our descendents you will find the GREAT AUNT of General Robert E LEE was an Atwell and we are relatives of ABE LINCOLN and General GRANT. ) In fact I can proudly state (Though I am a Canadian) that the FIRST MAN on AMERICA to release slaves was our DIRECT Ancestor- Isaac Willey in 1640. These "SLAVES" were Pequot Indians on the run. Isaac faced two charges down in Saybrook. It was here in this part of Connecticut that MY Benjamin Atwell lived. Thomas ATTWELL the Virginian was in that area once. He was charged with Drunkenness and Fornication in New Haven at a time suitable for the era of Benjamin's Birth. Secondly Thomas Atwell was once a business partner with Captain STONE who was murdered there by Pequot Indians. (Stone being a Pirate-Slave hunter of Ill repute) New Haven has a second Lake connection to you. Margaret Lake lived there and was the sister in Law of Governor Winthrop. (**This drives the Winthrop Society Nuts) I BELIEVE that Benjamin ATWELL married the granddaughter of Uncas the Mohegan. His son Richard ATWELL(My Ancestor) first married Elizabeth Minter Baker the Niece of Margaret Lake and John Winthrop. All part of the Big Land GRABS and making peace with the Neighbors. Many of the families I speak of here would later move up and down the coast to New Jersey and places and plant settlements. Rogerine or Rogereenes were some of them and I can elaborate on this if you believe they are linked to your New Jersey families. Others became missionaries to the Indians, Moravians and various denominations. Eventually some of our distant relatives married with Brigham Young and became Mormons. I will elaborate on this another time. In the meanwhile I will send you a link that will show you that even our Northern Atwells were close relatives to those accused of Witchcraft (Burrows and Lewis) and that some Atwells were carried off by Abinaki Indians. The LAKES retuned to England with a Model of Indian Marriages for business reasons that would one day lead to a Nation of Children left behind by the Hudson Bay Company called 'tis. Here is the page, a MUST READ for LAKE and ATWELL Families! http://www.common-place.org/vol-02/no-03/norton/ From: "Glen Atwell" Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:28:23 -0400 I am not very Familiar with the Maryland settlers. I know the Colony was meant for Catholic supporters so hence the name MARY...... Here I what I know about the Lake family back in Britain, they were major Shareholders in the EAST Indian Company. It s that company who's ships flew the RED and White Stripes used in the BETSY ROSS style flags. It was their ship that was raided in the Boston TEA PARTY (A SPRAGUE family member was part of that raid) and the company made its fortune in India. TONS of Lakes and ATWELLS from England made their way to India for their fortunes. I agree with you the ATWELL-LAKE and sometimes just ATWELL surname shows me they are SHARING a hereditary title name. Like the Duke of WELLINGTON (Arther Wellesley if I recall was his Irish Birth name) Even Oliver CROMWELL took his name in Adulthood as part of an Inheritance. I know the BIBBYE name was a MUST-Be given to the first born sort of name to keep the Maiden name of a late relative alive. I believe but have not proved that our often related neighbors of the BEEBE is BIBYE spelled in a more modern context. Beebe were always closely related to the SPRAGUE TUBBS side of our families and were for some time associated with Frontier RANGERS. Some with Rogers Rangers, Gorhams RANGERS and BUTLERS RANGERS. A Sergeant Beebe having settled near me was a brother in law of Col John Butler and the SECORDS FAMILY (Laura Secord Chocolates are a chain store in Canada). Laura SECORD was the married name of Laura Ingersoll whose ancestors were with the Sprague's on Bunker Hill but more importantly the Ingersoll family as you can see in the SALEM stories were with Hawthorne in the Witch TRIALS... SO not to loose this moment of realization on How connected our worlds are... Daniel Hawthorn who wrote the SCARLET LETTER started his story with the scene in the Old SALEM CUSTOMS HOUSE where he worked. He SPOKE of the co workers, former GENERALS who were at Chippewa -Niagara in 1813. It was here the Beebe's, the SECORDS and his Generals with Winfield SCOTT battled cousin against Cousin.... And Laura Ingersoll SECORD who saved the British nearby was of course- HIS distant COUSIN part of the "House of SEVEN GABLES" -Ingersol family. Small world! An I know MORE MORE MORE... From: "Glen Atwell" Subject: Lake Governors Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:40:43 -0400 Prince Rupert of the Rhine (1670-1682) Prince James, Duke of York (1683-1685) John Churchill, Earl of Marlborough (1685-1692) Sir Stephen Evans (1692-1696) Sir William Trumbull (1696-1700) Sir Stephen Evans (1700-1712) Sir Bibye Lake, Sr. (1712-1743) Benjamin Pitt (1743-1746) Thomas Knapp (1746-1750) Sir Atwell Lake (1750-1760) Sir William Baker (1760-1770) Sir Bibye Lake, Jr. (1770-1782) Samuel Wegg (1782-1799) Sir James Winter Lake (1799-1807) William Mainwaring (1807-1812) Joseph Berens (1812-1822) Sir John Henry Pelly (1822-1852) Andrew Wedderburn Colvile (1852-1856) John Shepherd (1856-1858) Henry Hulse Berens (1858-1863) Sir Edmund Walker Head (1863-1868) John Wodehouse, 1st Earl of Kimberley (1868-1869) Sir Stafford Henry Northcote (1869-1874) George Joachim Goschen (1874-1880) Eden Colvile (1880-1889) Donald Alexander Smith, 1st Baron Strathcona and Mount Royal (1889-1914) Sir Thomas Skinner (1914-1915) Sir Robert Molesworth Kindersley (1916-1925) Charles Vincent Sale (1925-1931) Sir Patrick Ashley Cooper (1931-1952) William Keswick (1952-1965) Derick Heathcoat Amory, 1st Viscount Amory (1965-1970) George T. Richardson (1970-1982) Donald S. McGiverin (1982-1994) David E. Mitchell (1994-1997) L. Yves Fortier (1997-present) See also http://lockergnome.smartpedia.com/s/b/Hudson's_Bay_Company From: "Glen Atwell" Subject: Royals family Article Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:35:19 -0400 Giving the upcomming marriages to our Relatives Prince Charles, we are related much closer to his first wife Lady Dianna Spencer. I found this article showing Kerry 's royal pedigree being better than Bush's. Of Course Thomas Atwell was married to Anne Morgan (Parks family) putting him in the family Ancesty of Princess DIANNA (and links us to Gideon Morgan Chief of the Cherokee) His Brother and MY ancestor Richard Atwell was married to Eizabeth Minter BAKER the Niece of Governor John Wintrop. (And linked them to Uncas chief the Mohegan Allies) (And for your entertainment Marshal Lake- the same BAKER family as Jorma Jean Baker better known as Maryln Munroe so BOTH "Candles in the WIND" in one family tree) Kerry and Bush descend from Thomas LAKE ............ Here is an article showing their connection to the Kings of Europe. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5723115/ HEY they stole my STUFF- Johnny Appleseed amd Marylne Munroe ! Shhesh... Funny how they miss the Royal families of Indians... http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4286105/ http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3038411/