Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 09:49:33 -0500 From: Norm Lake I also have looked at many of the references in your extensive data base. There are not many for the Lake line I believe I am in. My father believed we descended from David Lake and Alice Backster who may have come from Lancashire. David's son Henry married Alice (who was executed as a witch). They had two sons who escaped to Rhode Island. They were loyalists as you pointed out. From Rhode Island, the families moved up river eventually to nine partners and settled for a while in Quaker Street near Duanesburg, NY. That is where John L Lake was likely born although we were not able to find a birth record. One of your references is from Quaker records showing Brownell and Mary Lake moving eventually to Quaker Street with their children Brownell and Mary. I have a record which shows that the father was put in charge of cutting fire wood for the meeting house and that he was a representative of the Quaker Street meeting. We also have records showing that there was a delisting when there was a marriage not of the faith. When the family was delisted, it removed possible records of John L Lake's birth??? We know that John L Lake married Lydia Gage (Gaige) probably when in Duanesburg or Quaker Street. There are several Lakes mentioned in various census records. Some stayed in the area, but John and Lydia moved to Wayne or Galen, New York. By the 1850's John L  and Lydia Lake and many of their children had moved to Vermontville, Michigan.  I think the majority of the Lake lines that are in your references are a different line from mine. Perhaps our line matches with them at the point David Lake came from England, but I don't think I descended from the folks who didn't go to Rhode Island if that makes sense. I have attached my father's ancestor chart for John L Lake at the bottom of this email. This is the part that we can't prove since we never found a birth, marriage, or death record for John L Lake that showed who his parents were. It is interesting that we seem to be quite sure of the folks who were either uncles, cousins, brothers, or his father, but we have to use "logic" to determine who is the most likely father and my father listed his mother as "unknown". Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:25:45 -0500 From: Norm Lake My father was fairly certain that we descended from the Lakes that went from Massachusetts to Rhode Island and from there to Duanesburg, NY and from there to Galen/Wayne cty, NY, and from there to Vermontville, MI. There are a few bits and pieces for this line, but not as many as some of the other lines of lakes (the ones in Ontario and New Jersey for example). There are some hints that the other lines may have also migrated to and through the same counties in New York state, even one example of a marriage of two Lakes in Michigan who were such distant relation (if at all) that they were asking if anyone could help put together their family trees to see if they connected many generations earlier.  Interesting, but so far I still have not found any evidence in your files for who are the parents of John L Lake who we know lived in Wayne County, NY before moving to Vermontville, MI. We know he married Lydia Gaige (Gage) who lived in or near Duanesburg, NY and we know from census records that John L was born in New York State and that his father was born in Rhode Island and mother in New York state. That evidence suggests that our line followed the route from Massachusetts to Rhode Island, to New York State, on their way to Michigan.