From:   Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of turkeypt2 [july37@cox.net]
Sent:   Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:58 PM
To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com
Subject:    [SPAM] [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] GENETIC GENEALOGY & THE 5-RICHARD DESCENDANTS

During the past several months I've been working on YDNA testing for
the 5-Richard line. At this time we have three 5-Richard males, two
from the David Robbins line & one from the Levi Robbins line (all
with a well documented ancestry to Daniel Robins)tested & these three
match each other. They do not match the test results of the three
males two from the 10-Aaron line & one from the 11-Benjamin line also
with documented ancestry to Daniel Robins. The group with limited
documentation to Daniel Robins matches the two from 10-Aaron & the
one from 11-Benjamin. One additional male tested from the 10-Aaron
line with a well documented ancestry to Daniel Robins does not match
the other two 10-Aaron or any of the above Robbins males. To my
knowledge there are no known well documented descendants who have
tested from the lines of 2-Daniel, 4-Joseph & 8-Moses.

For over 300 years the descendants of Richard Robins b. Feb. 14,
1673/4 at Woodbridge, NJ & died Sept. 23, 1715 at Cohansey, NJ
believed they were the descendants of Daniel Robins based on original
records, a well documented genealogy & a consistent oral history.
However, YDNA testing disputes this claim for the lines of the two
sons of John Robbins, Jr. David & Levi. A false paternity event (FPE)
appears to have occurred somewhere in the first four generations
after 1-Daniel. No testing has been done on David & Levi's brothers'
lines of John 3rd & Richard. These lines should be tested in order to
be as thorough as possible but my expectations are they will match
David & Levi. Until testing for them occurs we will assume their
lines & those of the daughters of John Robbins, Jr. (1755-1823) match
their brothers.

YDNA testing is unable to confirm the relationship of the daughters
of 5-Richard, Richard, Jr. & John Robbins, Sr. to Daniel & Hope
Robins. However, this test does give the descendants of the David &
Levi lines the scientific proof that they are not related to the
Daniel Robins group.

The discovery of the 5-Richard FPE is an excellent example of how the
best of documentation offers no proof of an accurate relationship to
a common ancestor without the supporting evidence of DNA. The
possibility for undetected false paternity events in family histories
may be greater than genealogists would like to believe or are able to
recognize. For most people there is no real assurance a FPE doesn't
lurk someplace in their ancestral line.

Tamara's website shows 23 Robbins males with matching YDNA. This
group is able to scientifically prove a relationship to a common
ancestor. However, there is no direct scientific proof for anyone
else of this same relationship unless it is verified by their own
DNA. Since it is impossible for many descendants to gain this same
certainty through their own testing, the relationship to a common
ancestor rests on documentation or a presumed relationship based on
another's YDNA test.

Finding qualified participants for the 5-Richard project was a
difficult task so I'm very grateful to the males who were willing to
test. Their tests have proved to be of great significance to our
Robbins family history. Hopefully the Richard Robbins descendants
will take this information & continue to use genetic genealogy to put
all their DNA puzzle pieces in place. At this time there are no
reliable matches in the databases for the Richard Robbins males.

                             Sara



 From:  Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net]
Sent:   Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:41 PM
To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com
Subject:    [SPAM] Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] GENETIC GENEALOGY & THE 5-RICHARD DESCENDANTS

Sara:

Didn't Richard Robbins have more than one wife.  Did one of them bring children into the marriage?

Gary



   From:    Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net]
Sent:   Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:08 PM
To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com
Subject:    [SPAM] Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] GENETIC GENEALOGY & THE 5-RICHARD DESCENDANTS

Gary,

Richard Robbins' 2nd wife Catherine Holmes was the widow of Nathaniel Bacon. She brought her two sons Nathaniel & Jeremiah & daughter Lydia to the marriage with Richard.

                                        Sara