message exchange ... BEGIN From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of slink534 [Syllink@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:23 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robbins b Oct 11 1788 Warren Co. m Sept 26, 1811Sussex Co Here's my dead end. John was born in Warren Co, NJ in 1788 and married in Sussex Co in 1811. He died and is buried in Oakland Co, MI. The marriage I can verify, and the death and burial are confirmed, but I can't find his birth or his parents. Someone in my family thinks his father might be Thomas Robbins. But of course, there is no other data as to why or how they came up with this. His wife was Elinor (Ellen) Vliet, dau. of William B Vliet (Priv in war). I have been told the family moved to Oakland Co., Mi in the 1830's. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Syllink@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:15 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robbins Indenpendence Twp Thanks for the reply, but that John Robbins can't be mine. My John Robbins and his wife are both buried in Oakhill Cemetery in Pontiac, Oakland Co., MI. Although I do have other relatives from Hunterdon Co.. After I sent my question in I found the data on when Warren County was founded. Perhaps Independence Township would help. That's where he's supposed to have been born. Looking through my notes - they moved to Michigan in 1837, all 5 of their children were born in New Jersey. The children were Daniel Vliet Robbins, William V Robbins, Melinda Robbins, Hanna Robbins, and Nancy Robbins. Their mother was Elinore (Ellen) Vliet. Her grandfather was Capt. Daniel Vliet who died in 18180 in Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon Co., NJ. The Vliet line was pretty easy to find, but the Robbins are all over the place. Does any of this sound familiar? From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:03 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robbins Indenpendence Twp I don't know if it's just me or if the rest of the group missed the reply you indicate you received on John Robbins b. NJ d. MI. It seems to be missing from the forum posting. I hope Yahoo hasn't been at work on the site again. If possible please fill us in on this missing posting. Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marshall Lake [mlake@mlake.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:11 AM To: South Jersey ROBINS/ROBBINS Mailing List Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Subject: Re: John Robbins b Oct 11 1788 Warren Co. m Sept 26, 1811Sussex Co > Here's my dead end. John was born in Warren Co, NJ in 1788 Warren Co was formed from Sussex Co in 1824. > and married in Sussex Co in 1811. He died and is buried in Oakland Co, > MI. The marriage I can verify, and the death and burial are confirmed, > but I can't find his birth or his parents. Someone in my family thinks > his father might be Thomas Robbins. But of course, there is no other > data as to why or how they came up with this. His wife was Elinor > (Ellen) Vliet, dau. of William B Vliet (Priv in war). > > I have been told the family moved to Oakland Co., Mi in the 1830's. A coincidence is that there is a John ROBINS/ROBBINS and Eleanor ------ marriage in Hunterdon Co before 1755. This John died in Hunterdon Co in 1777. I'm not familiar with your John ROBBINS (nor a Thomas ROBBINS who could be John's father). But, there was another family of ROBINS who removed to Michigan in 1835. The family I'm familiar with who moved are Jonathan ROBINS & Mary VOSSLER & their children. Jonathan was born in Lebanon Twp, Hunterdon Co (close to Sussex Co) on 8 Nov 1785. Jonathan and Mary had children: John, Jacob, William, Sarah, James, Thomas, Mary & Elias. All but Elias were born in Hunterdon Co. The family moved to NY in 1826 and then to Michigan in 1835. Possibly this Jonathan and your John were brothers? The father of Jonathan is unknown but his mother is said to be Eva FORCE. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marshall Lake [mlake@mlake.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:51 PM To: South Jersey ROBINS/ROBBINS Mailing List Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: John Robbins Indenpendence Twp > After I sent my question in I found the data on when Warren County was > founded. Perhaps Independence Township would help. That's where he's > supposed to have been born. Independence Twp was formed in 1782 (in Sussex Co). Independence Twp in Warren Co is pretty close to Lebanon Twp in Hunterdon Co. Considering the proximity, the timeline, and the movement to Michigan perhaps the possibility that your John and the Jonathan ROBINS I mentioned previously being siblings is worth pursuing. > Looking through my notes - they moved to Michigan in 1837, all 5 of > their children were born in New Jersey. The children were Daniel Vliet > Robbins, William V Robbins, Melinda Robbins, Hanna Robbins, and Nancy > Robbins. Their mother was Elinore (Ellen) Vliet. Her grandfather was > Capt. Daniel Vliet who died in 18180 in Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon Co., > NJ. The Vliet line was pretty easy to find, but the Robbins are all over > the place. Does any of this sound familiar? I'm afraid none of those names hit anything in my data. Several of those old area biography books were done in Michigan. Have you ever found your ROBBINS ancestors mentioned in any of them? You can't always believe them word for word but sometimes they can supply you with a good lead. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://mlake.net From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Syllink@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:42 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: John Robbins Indenpendence Twp I have found a lot of detail on the Robbins from John Robbins to my family in Michigan, but nothing about his siblings, or possible parents or other relatives. But I will pursue the Jonathan Robins line and see if there a chance they could be connected in someway. Thanks for all your great suggestions. Sylvia From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of BRIAN ROBBINS [hilo80@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:03 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: John Robbins b Oct 11 1788 Warren Co. m Sept 26, 1811Sussex Co I was wondering if you had come across any information regarding the brothers Daniel and John Robbins who were born in Sussex Co, NJ circa 1760, and later left to remove west with families and died in Scioto Co, Ohio in abt 1835? They lived for a brief time in Washington Co, Pa and later Fayette Co, Pa. John and Daniel both served in the Washington Co, Pa Militia during the Revolutionary War. I have copies of John's service record as well as some other documents from the Washington DC archives. Although he is not a direct line ancestor, by association with his contemporary cousins, who are my ancestors, I hope to draw the circle tighter upon who the one remaining grandfather (and his wife) was. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of June Nash Lindquist [junenash@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:29 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: John Robbins b Oct 11 1788 Warren Co. m Sept 26, 1811Sussex Co Brian, It is such a quandry with those Daniel and John Robbins of western PA. What can we cite for evidence that they were truly the same two in Fayette? They did not stay long. I see that only my William b. 1761 is still there in 1800-1810 decade. Although he did serve in NJ in the Revolution, I have NO clues where William is in the time after discharge in 1783 to 1789, when he marries in eastern PA at the church in Neshaminy. There are several Williams to account for at that time. Therefore : his Father would HAVE to be born 1740 or before. That narrows the search. I have no clues among the several Williams born about 1759-60-61. Further, one or more may have married more than once. There is also the problem of the DNA showing my line is more nearly matched to the group in NC with Vickery connections. These removed to Indiana. Such problems. I must continue reading the land records, claims, probates in Fayette, and probably the earlier counties as well. One wonders if these folks had double lives. June From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Syllink@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:59 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: John Robbins b Oct 11 1788 Warren Co. m Sept 26, 1811Sussex Co Here is possibly another connection between the Robbins and Vliets families in Warren Co. NJ. Jonathan Robbins and Daniel Vliet both are listed in 1829 as "Assembly" as members of legislature for Warren Co. The next year 1830 Jonathan is listed as "Council" and Daniel is listed as Assembly. Jonathan continued as "Council" in 1831, but Daniel was not listed. In 1832, Garret Vliet and Daniel Vliet (also 1828 and 1837 for Daniel) are listed as "Judges of the Court of Common Pleas", I believe this is for the Warren County Bible Society. Apparently Daniel Vliet was the moderator at the forming of the Warren County Bible Society. It was formed by the Presbyterian Church in Danville NJ. Source: A Genealogy of the "Van der: Vliet Family in America compiled by James Vliet From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Judith Arthur [jkennedya@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:12 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Digest Number 598 I think that the Jonathan Robbins that is mentioned in the Assembly is Jonathan Robbins b. in 1774. He was a prominent man in Warren County around that time. I descend from that Jonathan Robbins and also from the Vliet family. I have searched both lines and do not find that they merge at any time. I do not have anything on the Jonathan Robbins who was b. in 1788. Could you tell me who he married in Sussex County in 1811. That might help me look him up. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Syllink@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:54 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: Digest Number 598 My Great-great-great-great Grandfather was John Robbins b Oct 11, 1788 in Independence Township, Sussex County, NJ. He was married on Sep 26, 1811 in Sussex Co., NJ to Ellinor (Ellen) Vliet b Apr 10, 1790 NJ d mar 18, 1848 in Pontiac, Oakland Co., Mi. She was the dau. of Priv. William B Vliet b 1756 prob Sussex Co., NJ d 1839 Townsbury, Warren Co., NJ. Her mother was Annie Wilson b 1763 NJ d 1815 NJ. I am trying to identify John Robbins' parents. The best lead so far is a Jonathan Robbins who may be a brother or more likely a cousin as both are living in the same area at about the same time. In searching down Jonathan Robbins, his line does go back to some other names in Ct and Eng. my grandfather said were in the family tree but I could never connect. But without the connection to Jonathan, it is just speculation. Unfortunately, my grandfather died young and never documented where he found the information he had listed as his family tree. His list went back to John Robbins and Hester ? in England. Of course, the other thought is that perhaps John Robbins' father could have been Jonathan Robbins Sr, as I have found Jonathan Jr listed in several places. Oh well, still searching. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Marshall Lake [mlake@mlake.net] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:29 PM To: South Jersey ROBINS/ROBBINS Mailing List Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John ROBBINS of Sussex Co, NJ from "Sussex County, New Jersey Deed Abstracts Volume G" by Clyde W. Downing in 2007: quote Page 180, 14 March 1798, John Robbins and Rachel his wife of Hardwick to Mathew Konkle of Hardwick. [pounds] 150 ... 78 acres in Hardwick, adjoining Martin Swartsweller, and Adam Konkle. Conveyed from Daniel Vaughn and John Read on 4 September 1795 to John Robbins. He signed, she X. Witnesses: Daniel Vaughn & Gersham Bartow. On 14 May 1802 they deposed to John Armstrong. unquote END