From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of BRIAN ROBBINS [hilo80@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:34 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins / Mary Garrison of Luzerne Co, Pa Gary/Sara; I have a John Robins, born 12/9/1785, NJ. Died 1831, Surgar Notch, Hanover, Luzerne Co, Pa. He was married to a Mary Garrison; b Hanover Pa, died 1862. John's father was a Timothy Robins, married to a Hannah unknown. Timothy born in Mass. John's other siblings were; Mary b-1773, Hannah b-1774,Bethia b-1774,Elizabeth b-1776, Sibel b-1779,Timothy b-1781, Sarah b-1783. Source of Timothy's family from the Hanover Records, Hanover Mass 1721-1857; Records of Marriages and Death. I have no other information. Anyone with further info if they would kindly respond, it would be much appreciated. Everyone have a Happy Thanksgiving! Brian From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:45 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins / Mary Garrison of Luzerne Co, Pa Brian, I don't have any further information on John Robins 1785-1831 of Hanover, PA. However, I would first question how he is linked to his parents Timothy & Hannah Robins of Hanover, MA when John Robins' birthplace is given as NJ. I suspect this connection is incorrect. The following could be a possible link. 10-Aaron descendant Timothy Robbins, son of Randal & Abigail Rogers Robins married 1st Mary Miller & 2nd her sister Phebe. After the death of Phebe, Timothy Robbins, having involved himself in debt fled west because the penalty at that time in NJ was prison. According to Charles Robbins Hutchinson, Timothy went to Ohio & married a 3rd wife the widow of Stephen Ford. He left children in NJ but we don't know if he had children while living out of state. It's very possible he did have children by his 3rd wife. Charles Robbins Hutchinson records that Timothy in his old age returned to NJ & lived in a house on the farm of his son George located near Ye Olde Robbins Burying Ground. He died there & is buried in the cemetery. Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:46 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins / Mary Garrison of Luzerne Co, Pa Timothy Robbins was born in 1771 & John Robins b. 1785. I don't think they are father & son. Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:11 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins / Mary Garrison of Luzerne Co, Pa It helps to have access to the entire book. Concerning John Robins 1785-1831 of Hanover PA, I thought that he might have been a descendent of John married to Elenor in Amwell Township, because they had a son named Cornelius and so did he. - It so happens that the name of Mary Garrison's father was Cornelius. He is reported to have been "born in Alsace, then France, in 1756; came to America as a French soldier in our Revolutionary War; did not return with the French at the end of the war in 1782; married Mary _________ ; settled in Hanover on the back road at Sugar Notch; died in 1825." - Ref: Henry Blackman Plumb's "History of Hanover Township" published in 1885. Mr Plumb did not know the name of his father, but he did not connect this John Robins in any way with Robert Robins that also lived in the area. He did however state that John Robins was born in New Jersey in 1785; had a brother named Abner Robins who enlisted in 1812 and lived on the west branch; and a sister named Rebecca that married __________ Elliot. Children of John Robins & Mary Garrison were: Elizabeth Robins, born 1806 married Lewis Whitlock. Mary Robins, born 1808, died 1880 Cornelius Robins, born 1810 married Hannah Wiggins Abner Robins, born 1812, died 1884 married Hannah Faustnach Margaret Robins, born 1814 married Nathan G. Howe John G. Robins, born 1820, died 1855, no children James H. Robins, born 1822 married Harriet Monega Elias Robins, born 1826 married 1st Mary A. Mill, married 2nd Sarah Overton. There is a little more information on the children and grandchildren of John Robins at http://www.geocities.com/jhculbert/Hanover/robinsj.htm Gary From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of clcn3930 [clcn3930@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:45 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM] [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: John Robins / Mary Garrison of Luzerne Co, Pa Hi Brian, I just saw this email sent in 2006. You may have solved my John Robins mystery. My 4gggf was born and died in the years stated in your email, and was married to Mary Garrison. The only trouble I have with your message is that according to the Henry Plumb book he's supposed to have had a brother named Abner and sister Rebecca, no other siblings were named. Have you gotten any more info on this family since 2006? If so, was Timothy related to the NJ Robins/Robbins family? According to Census records, John's father was supposed to have been born in NJ. Obviously, he moved to NJ at some point, have you learned where? John was born in NJ and went to Hanover Twp in 1803. Everything in your email corresponds to my John Robins. If you have access to Ancestry.com all my family info is listed under Robbins Family Tree owned by Lynn Robbins McFadden. Do you have a tree on Ancestry? If I might ask, how does Timothy and John fit into your family? I'll run the traps on your Timothy & Hannah Robins and see what I come up with. Thanks, Lynn in Texas From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of clcn3930 [clcn3930@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:17 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM] [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins of Hanover Twp, Luzerne County, PA Hi, I posted a request for information about a month or so ago - have not heard anything so am trying again. Brian Robbins and Gary Robins posted information, a couple of years ago, about a Timothy Robins/Robbins who was married and had many children in Hanover, Mass. Timothy married Mary Tilden, I believe in 1769. His last son, John Robbins was born in Mass on the date I have as the birth date of my 4ggf John Robins (Dec 1785) who came to Hanover Twp, PA in 1803. John married Mary Garrison, I believe after getting to Hanover. John had a brother, Timothy, who married a Hannah ? in Hanover, Mass. All this Robins/Robbins information is available on Ancestry in a book regarding genealogy of Hanover Twp. of Mass. If this is the genealogy of my John Robins/Robbins then I don't believe I'm directly related to Daniel & Hope Robins. Does anyone in the group have this Timothy Robins/Robbins in their line? If so is there a relationship to Daniel & Hope? This is the first information I have regarding the possible father of my John Robins/Robbins. I need to figure out whether my roots are in New England and not New Jersey. All census information state that John and his parents were born in New Jersey, but have never found a link back..... By the way, does anyone know of an internet genealogy group in New England that traces to Robins/Robbins family? Thanks for any help of info anyone might have Lynn in Texas From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:29 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM][Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins of Hanover Twp, Luzerne County, PA Lynn, I'm assuming you base your NJ connection to the NJ Robins on the work of Henry Blackman Plumb's "History of Hanover Township & Wyoming, PA." Mr. Plumb is unable to give the name of John Robins' father & his statement that John came from NJ may be an assumption on his part. He may link John Robins to NJ because the other Hanover Twnshp Robins he records did come from NJ. I find no Timothy Robbins in the NJ Robbins that fits the time & place to be the Timothy Robbins father of John Robins b.1785. Mr. Plumb states John had a brother Abner & sister Rebecca. This does contradict "The Original Hanover, MA Records." Could Mr. Plumb be in error on John's siblings? Abner isn't a name that appears frequently if at all in the NJ Robbins family. Also it's quite a co-incidence that John Robins of MA & John Robins of PA were both born in Dec.1785. I see the brother of John Robbins s/o Timothy & Mary Tilden Robbins of MA married Hannah Write/Wright of Scituate on Jan 3. 1813. DNA from a Robbins male in your line if possible could answer the question as to whether your John Robins b. 1785 belongs to the Daniel Robins family. I don't know of a New England Robbins group but you could try a post to Genforum & Rootsweb. It's very possible that your roots are in New England. I hope my comments will help a little in your research. Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Lynn McFadden [clcn3930@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:11 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM][Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins of Hanover Twp, Luzerne County, PA Sara, Thanks for your input. I too find it doubtful that there could be two John Robins born in Dec 1785, and mainly agree with what you have written. The only problem I have is that all census records, once they started asking where person/parents were born state John and his wife came from NJ. These census records being the children of John and Mary Garrison Robins. I do have a male cousin who's father was my father brother - making him a Robbins male. I will try to get in touch with him to ask if he'd be willing to do a DNA test. I also have a male second cousin, but he's descended from a female Robbins, is he a likely candidate for testing? Thanks again for your help. Lynn From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of july37 [july37@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:20 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM]Re: [SPAM][Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins of Hanover Twp, Luzerne County, PA Lynn, The census stating the NJ origin does make the puzzle more complicated. It's seems to me that DNA is the best way for you to go. It will answer the question as to your line's relationship to the NJ Daniel Robins family. You will need a Robbins male from your line who carries the Robbins surname. Men from female lines don't qualify along with females for YDNA testing. Sara From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of BRIAN ROBBINS [hilo80@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:50 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins of Hanover Twp, Luzerne County, PA HI Lynn,   Sorry not to have gotten back to you earlier. I don't have any direct connection to the Robbins' that settled orginally out of NJ in Northumberland Co, Pa.  I wish I could help you further. No Timothy's in my direct line that I can establish. Certainly if any new discoverys are made, I will post them on out website.   Regards, Brian Robbins   From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Lynn McFadden [clcn3930@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:27 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins of Hanover Twp, Luzerne County, PA Thanks Brian,   The birth date of John Robbins, son of Timothy, is the same date as I have found for my 4ggf John.  All census data regarding John's children state that he was born in New Jersey, as was his wife Mary Garrison.  I have not been able to connect my Robins roots back to the Southern NJ Family of Daniel and Hope.  I do have one male cousin that carries the Robbins surname and I really have to make the time to get in touch with him to have a DNA test done to rule in/out NJ roots.   Lynn in Texas From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of robins.shirley [robins.shirley@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:40 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] Re: John Robins of Hanover Twp, Luzerne County, PA I have been reading all the messages about Robbins in Pa. My ancestor Edward Robbins born 1836 in NY. according to the 1860 Wi. census, but his brother James was born five years earlier in Pa. The name John Robbins runs in our family and was the name of my grandfather Robbins. I can't seem to get back East. I recently was upgraded from a 12 to a 25 and I still haven't been able to find someone with the same ancestors. Shirley in Wi. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:55 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins of Hanover Twp, Luzerne County, PA Lynn: I would think that the census records that state the place of birth is significant. You may also recall that the History of Hanover Township, circa 1880 by Plump also states that this John Robbins was from New Jersey. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Gary Robins [gdrobins@robinsgenealogy.net] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:59 PM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins of Hanover Twp, Luzerne County, PA LOL I meant Plumb. From: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Lynn McFadden [clcn3930@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:17 AM To: Robbinsfamilysouthjersey@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Robbinsfamilysouthjersey] John Robins of Hanover Twp, Luzerne County, PA Just a note to follow up on the John Robbins born in Hanover Twp, Mass, son of Timothy Robins/Robbins.  Yesterday I was doing some research and found a death date for John in Mass that is not the same as my 4great-grandfather from NJ transplanted to Hanover Township, Luzerne Co., PA.  Now I'm back to square 1 - not knowing who gramps father was, or where he came from.  I believe he's from NJ as stated on census forms.  Mystery continues as to who 5 ggf was and from whence he came in NJ...  Sure wish Mr. Plumb had know John's father's name   Lynn in Texas From: clcn3930 Subject: [Robbinsfamilysouth jersey] John Robins of Hanover Twp, Luzerne County, PA To: Robbinsfamilysouthj ersey@yahoogroup s.com Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 11:17 AM Hi, I posted a request for information about a month or so ago - have not heard anything so am trying again. Brian Robbins and Gary Robins posted information, a couple of years ago, about a Timothy Robins/Robbins who was married and had many children in Hanover, Mass. Timothy married Mary Tilden, I believe in 1769. His last son, John Robbins was born in Mass on the date I have as the birth date of my 4ggf John Robins (Dec 1785) who came to Hanover Twp, PA in 1803. John married Mary Garrison, I believe after getting to Hanover. John had a brother, Timothy, who married a Hannah ? in Hanover, Mass. All this Robins/Robbins information is available on Ancestry in a book regarding genealogy of Hanover Twp. of Mass. If this is the genealogy of my John Robins/Robbins then I don't believe I'm directly related to Daniel & Hope Robins. Does anyone in the group have this Timothy Robins/Robbins in their line? If so is there a relationship to Daniel & Hope? This is the first information I have regarding the possible father of my John Robins/Robbins. I need to figure out whether my roots are in New England and not New Jersey. All census information state that John and his parents were born in New Jersey, but have never found a link back..... By the way, does anyone know of an internet genealogy group in New England that traces to Robins/Robbins family? Thanks for any help of info anyone might have Lynn in Texas