Posted by: tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:01 pm ((PST)) I made a pretty big discovery about Vincent Robbins of Brown Co. Ohio. I wanted to share it with everyone--especially Cris who first told us about this Vincent almost exactly one year ago! FamilySearch.org has digitized many deeds for Washington County Pennsylvania. And in looking at those deeds today, I found a deed between Vincent Robins Sr. and Vincent Robins Jr. both of Brown County Ohio. (Washington Co. PA Deed v. 55, 3E 1846-1848, page 600, 11 Nov 1847) The deed says the Pennsylvania property that Vincent Sr. is conveying to Vincent Jr. "has descended to" Vincent Sr. as "heir of Isaac Robbins." Exciting!! Now...I believe this Isaac Robbins is the one who died between 1781 and 1782, without a will, in the Mingo Creek area of Nottingham twp. Washington Co. PA. Isaac left a widow, Sarah, who by 1782 had married James Sutton. Isaac and Sarah also had at least 3 minor children in 1783: Isaac, William and John--who it appears are named in an orphan's court record. The orphan's court records are also digitized. However, to view them, you have to go to an LDS Family History Center and use their computers. (I've included a transcription of this deed at the bottom of this post. You can also see the copy I transcribed at: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNL-HGYH?i=322&cat=225855 ) I also found a deed in which Sarah Sutton (relict of Isaac Robbins) is selling property that belonged to Isaac Robbins. (Washington Co. PA Deeds v. 1. 1A 1781-1784, page 20, 4 July 1782) (See this deed at:https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXB-PQZ1-Q?i=17&cat=225855) The property is described as being 150 acres bounded by Mingo Creek and bounded by the lands of the following people: Jeremiah Washburn Peter Devore James Vannaten and "the remainder of the tract along a run commonly call'd and known by the name Robbins's Spring Run being the Northwestern part of the tract..." The men listed here are also important. Researchers of Sussex Co. Robbins families will likely recognize the surnames. The Jeremiah Washburn here was either the father or brother of George Washburn who was married to an Azubia Robbins b. about 1768. Cris suspected this Azubia was a sister to the Vincent of Brown Co. Ohio. I think that is likely too! Jeremiah's wife was Rebecca Devore. So it is interesting there is also a Devore in the list. James Vannaten is likely from the Van Etten families who were numerous in Sussex. Interestingly, in later years (early 1800s) ALL of these families end up in Brown Co. Ohio. I'd also like to make a pitch here about how important deeds are to our research. As you can see from the Vincent deed...it was in the Washington Co. PA records because that is where the property was located. However Vincent hadn't lived in Pennsylvania for close to 50 years at the time the deed was written!! Gems are out there. But you have to be willing to do the digging for them! FamilySearch has MANY land records digitized online but they are NOT digitally indexed. You have to find the digital copies of the microfilm indexes and then use them to navigate the digitized deed books. The best way to find land records on FamilySearch is: 1. Click Search at the top of the page. 2. Click Catalog. 3. In the Place field, type the county and state where you are looking for land records. For example, United States, Pennsylvania, Washington 4. Select that location and click Search. 5. Scroll through the results and locate an entry that says "Land and Property" 6. Expand the entry. 7. Look for something that has recorder of deeds a government entity as the author. For Washington Co. PA the entry is "Deed books, 1781-1886; deed index, 1781-1924" 8. Look for indexes. If the entry has a little camera icon next to it, you can view them from your computer. If the entry has a little camera with a key over it, it means you must find an LDS Family History Center in your area and view it there. If it has a little film reel, it means it is not digitized and is only on microfilm. 9. Start searching! Now we can all try to figure out who this Isaac is the son of, right? :-) And...were Vincent and Azubia his children? Or his siblings?? One way or another, Vincent Sr. in the deed was Isaac's heir... Lots to think about and debate! But at least we have more clues! Here is a transcription of the Vincent Robbins Sr. to Vincent Robbins Jr. deed of 1847: Know all men by these presents that I Vincent Robins Sr. of the County of Brown and State of Ohio of the first part for and in consideration of the sum of one hundred dollars to me in hand paid and the natural love and affection which I entertain for my son Vincent Robbins Jr. of said County and State of the second part do hereby grant sell and convey release en? and confirm until the said Vincent Robbins Jr. and to his heirs and assigns forever. All the real estate which I own or may claim title to in the State of Pennsylvania of every name and description and more particularly a tract of land containing three hundred and seventy seven acres in said State of Pennsylvania in the Township of Nottingham Washington County adjoining lands of the heirs of F. Hull, Jacob Figley, John Wallace, James Chambers, and others and more fully described in a deed dated November 16th 1795 and recorded in Book M Volume 1 page 151 & 152 the 16th day of May 1796 in favor of Isaac Robbins from whom said land has descended to me as heir of said Isaac Robbins with all and singular the appurtenances. To Have and to Hold all of the said real estate with all the appurtenances to him the said Vincent Robbins Jr. his heirs and assigns forever. In Witness Whereof I do hereto set my hand and seal this third day of June AD 1847. Signed sealed & delivered in presence of us. Tory Coon, John Stratton, G. Anderson. State of Ohio Brown County Before the undersigned one of the Justices of the peace within said County of Brown personally came Vincent Robbins Sr. the above grantor and acknowledged the above conveyance to be his free and voluntary act and deed for the uses and purposes in the same expressed and we certify that from personal knowledge we are satisfied that the said Grantor is the identical person he represents himself to be. In Witness Whereof we do hereto set our hands and seals this 3rd day of June 1847. Garlen Anderson Justice of the Peace The State of Ohio Brown County I John H Blair Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas in and for said County do hereby certify that Garlen Anderson who took the foregoing acknowledgement was at the date thereof an acting Justice of the Peace in and for Brown County duly commissioned and qualified as such that said acknowledgement by him taken is in due form of law and that full faith and credit are due to all his official acts as such Justice. In Testimony Whereof I have hereto subscribed my name and affixed the seal of said Court at Georgton this 23d day of August AD 1847 James H Blair Clerk Recorded and compared with original November 11 AD 1847 James Brown Recorder Posted by: gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:36 am ((PST)) I've researching for more information on Isaac Robbins without much success.. - the 1781 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA, does not list Isaac or Sarah. The names Washburn, Vanaten, Devore, are there. Daniel Robins, David Sutton. - the 1783 Tax List has Enos McDonald with 100 acres of land, by 1788 he has 300 acres. - I've found no listings for James Sutton, who married Isaac's widow. Possibly, James was the minister, born about 1737, who spent some time in Washington County, PA. He later went to Shelby County, Kentucky, were Vincent Robbins and Asubia Robbins lived. Supposedly, James Sutton Jr. was born in Washington County, PA. Garry Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:15 am ((PST)) I wish I had better citations for the orphans court record! Ancestry.com has a book online titled Estate records, 1781-96, and deed records, 1782-85, in Washington County, Pennsylvania, 2nd ed And that's where I got the orphan info. Actually--I think I have a typo in my original post! The minor children are Isaac, William, and JAMES -- not John. (Sorry about that!) The thing is in the book...there are NO specific citations for WHERE the records came from. Here's the link if you have an Ancestry subscription: . . . In case you don't have a subscription, I'll try to post the title page, description page--which tells in general where the records came from--and the page with Robins on them. The other Robins on that page are: * Ann * Job; 2 minor children of Job: James (who was bound out) and John. We should probably start a new thread to talk about them. We've talked about them in this forum before, I think. They lived in Cecil twp. Washington County PA (about 15 miles from Nottingham twp.) and are in several  Yohogania Co, VA  records. Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:33 am ((PST)) Deed Records 1782 - 1785 by J. Richard Sutton, 1295 W. Dogwood Ct, Marion, IN 46952 Sarah Sutton, admin of Isaac Robbins to Eneas McDonald, land on Mingo Creek.. Approximately 150 acres. June 7, 1782 Sarah Sutton of Mingo Creek Settlement, Washington County, Pennsylvania to Enos McDonald. 318 acres on Mingo Creek September 13, 1784. Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:23 am ((PST)) In the Estate Records, what does “bd 82” and “minor ch 83” mean? I’m guessing the numbers refer to the year of the record, which would mean son Vincent was not a minor in 1783, which means he was born by 1762. From the 1783 Tax List for Nottingham, Washington County, PA: Sarah Sotton/Sutton 200 acres Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:30 am ((PST)) Vincent Robbins married Charity Ryker 22 Dec, 1787 in Jefferson (Shelby) County, Kentucky. Charity had a sister, Rachel, who married William Robbins 31 Dec, 1793 in Shelby County, Kentucky. William died in 1795 in Indiana. William may be the brother of Vincent. Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:47 am ((PST)) That is NOT the Vincent who was in PA and Ohio. Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:48 am ((PST)) The definitions are the on the first page of that book. Did the PDF I attached come through? bd is Bond 82 is 1782 minor ch means minor children 83 is 1783 Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:11 am ((PST)) As usual, this is confusing. Supposedly, Vincent had a sister named Asubia who married George Washburn son of Jeremiah Washburn who lived in Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA. Asubia may have been married in Shelby County, KY. George is listed there in 1795. George and Asubia moved to Brown County, OH, about 1799. Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 am ((PST)) The story of the Washburn's and the Robbins and allies going to Mason Kentucky to fight the Indian's is true. I have seen Vincent Robbins mentioned with his brother-in-law George Washburn in Daniel Boone. The earliest time that I have seen was around 1785. Lou Anne Winterrowd posted questions about Vincent and his sister Azubia Washburn back in 2002 on a ancestry site blog ( Not Ancestry ) she even posted that there was a Isaac and another Robbins who lived in Washington Co. PA that she thought could have been there Father. I agree with Tracey that Charity " Geertie " Ryker was not part of the Ohio Vincent Robbins clan. There were 4 children from the Robbins / Ryker union and all of them went to Indiana around 1800.  Thanks so much for the attention and shared information about this Ohio Vincent. The only information on him that I have seen was the 1820 Eagle Census and a John W. Robbins biography in the beers brown county book that stated that his Father Vincent had died in his youth. I never thought he would have been alive in 1847 to pass down Washington Co. PA land to his son Vincent Jr. 1808.  Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@cox.net turkeypt2 Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:51 am ((PST)) Do you have a birthdate, approximate birthdate or educated guess for Vincent Robins, Sr. & Vincent Robins, Jr. named in the 1847 Ohio Deed you discovered? Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:12 pm ((PST)) Cris, It's Tracey who corrected Isaac's children's names, but James born 1785 would not be a son of Isaac since he had died by 1782. I think I should have gotten distracted with something else, this has gotten more complicated than than I thought it would be. Posted by: tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:55 pm ((PST)) Garry--to get back to your comment about Vincent Robbins and Charity Ryker. He and the Vincent Robbins of Brown Ohio were two separate people. I'm convinced of that. I have not researched the Washburns so I can't comment on the George Washburn in Shelby Co. KY. I can tell you that Charity Ryker Robbins (widow of Vincent Robbins of KY/IN) was alive in the 1850 census and some of her children still living with her. Here is an abstract of that census: Name:Charity Robins [Charity Robbins] Age:79 Birth Year:abt 1771 Birthplace: New Jersey Home in 1850:Canaan, Jefferson, Indiana, USA Name Age James Robins The children of Vincent and Charity were born between the years of 1788 and 1811 in Kentucky and Indiana. The children of Vincent Robbins of Ohio and his first wife (name not known yet) were born between the years 1807 and 1812 in Ohio. The children of Vincent Robbins of Ohio and his 2nd wife (Nancy Haynes) were born between the years 1823 and 1835 in Ohio. I can also tell you that several researchers on the Web say that Vincent Robbins (husband of Charity) comes from a North Carolina Robbins family and I thoroughly believe it. Vincent is always mentioned in various sources (such as the Draper papers) as being with the Van Cleaves, the Boones (as in Daniel Boone's family), and others from the Yadkin Creek, Rowan Co NC area. Ironically, my father's family (surname Holmes) lived in Rowan Co. NC at the same time as these families and traveled to Kentucky and then Clark and Jefferson Cos Indiana. So I'm quite familiar with these Rowan Co. men! (My Robbins connection is on my mom's side. :-) ) Obviously, to really deliniate the two Vincent Robbins, it would be best to have a thoroughly sourced "time line" showing where each man was and when. I don't have that. But I am convinced they were two entirely separate people--between the overlapping birth years of their children in two different states and the fact that both wives were alive in 1850 convinces me! Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:06 pm ((PST)) George Washburn and Asubia moved to Brown County, Ohio, where he died in 1850. Was there another George Washburn who lived in Shelby County, KY, in 1795? From the 1820 census for Eagle, Brown County, Ohio: Robins, Vincent 010001-11000 I can't find a Vincent Robbins/Robins in Indiana in 1820. Posted by: crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:12 pm ((PST)) After his wife Azubia Washburn passed in 1830 in Brown County. George re-married and moved to Coal Creek Twp, Montgomery Co Indiana. Vincent Robbins was on a Eagle , Brown County Census in 1820. He married Nancy Moore in 1822 and moved to Scott, Brown County. On the 1830 Census her name was on the census without Male over the age of 20-25. Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:18 pm ((PST)) So was her name Nancy Moore or Nancy Haynes. I'm not sure now where I got Haynes. Hmm... Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:31 pm ((PST)) On the marriage certificate it was Moore. On a John W. Robbins biography it said Haynes. I have no proof but I assumed that the birth of Alexander 1821 before there marriage may have meant she was married prior to Vincent in 1822. The only mention of a Haynes was in the Beers book on brown C. history. On family Tree family finder I have a 4th cousin x match with the Wright surname, after I ran who was in common with this lady a closer male match with a Wright. Jerry Alan HowardTotal CentiMorgans (cM): 52.6022415161 Shared DNA Segments: 16 This is a possible Wife and Mother to Vincent and son Peter. Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:22 pm ((PST)) Cris Robbins might be the better person to answer. He descends from this Vincent Sr. through Vincent's son Peter, as I recall. But...In the 1820 Brown Co. Ohio census, Vincent Sr. was 45 & up. So that would make him born 1775 or EARLIER. Vincent Sr. died between 1847 (when that deed was made) and 1850 when the census was taken. Only his widow, Nancy (Haynes) Robbins is in the 1850 census with their younger children still at home. Nancy was Vincent's 2nd wife. She was 20+ years YOUNGER than him. They married in Brown Co. Ohio on 8 Oct 1822. 1850 census abstract: Name: Nancy Robins Age: 52 Birth Year: abt 1798 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Home in 1850: Jackson, Clermont, Ohio, USA Gender: Female Family Number: 156 Household Members: Name Age Nancy Robins Vincent Jr. was born in 1807. The 1850 census says his birth place was Ohio. 1850 census abstract: Name:Vincient??? Robins [Vincent??? Robbins]???  Age:42 Birth Year:abt 1808 Birthplace:Ohio Home in 1850:Pike,??? Brown,??? Ohio,??? USA Name Age Vincient Robins Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:32 pm ((PST)) The best age I have for Vincent Sr. was from the 1820 Census. He was over 45, That means he was born at least 1775. His sister Azubia Washburn was born 1768 - 1830.???  I figured she was a little older than??? Vincent and he followed her to Kentucky. Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:38 pm ((PST)) Do you have a marriage record for George Washburn and Azubia Robbins? Do you where in Kentucky they married? It seems the families likely lived next to each other in Washington Co. PA--given the details in the Sarah Sutton deed. But if a record exists, it would be great to add to the discussion. Posted by: crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:53 pm ((PST)) I have not seen a original wedding paper. I emailed Rita Islo a cousin from the shared Peter Robbins 1810-1893. She had a Wells family connection that was also related to the Washburns. I was hoping she was reading all the Vincent revelations. This Cornielus Washburn 1785-1821 named his first son Vincent Robbins Washburn 1814-1891. If I come across marriage information I will sent it to you. Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:45 am ((PST)) I think I've got a better understanding of the 2 Vincent Robbins. There are so many coincidences: - George Washburn's father, Jeremiah, moved to Kentucky. - Since there's no evidence of Isaac Robbins' family moving to Kentucky, I'm guessing Asubia and George Washburn were married in Pennsylvania. - George Washburn was living in Kentucky during the Rev. War where he was a spy. - a Vincent G. Robbins of Ohio has a War of 1812 record, he was a spy. From the 1820 census for Clark, Brown County, OH: Robins, James 211101-01000 - This could be Vincent's brother. Clark, Brown County, is where George Washburn was living in 1820. From the 1830 census for Union, Brown County, OH: Robins, James 0200001-000001 - James' age doesn't match the 1820 census, but the 2 youngest sons match. Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:17 am ((PST)) More coincidences: Kentucky Militia in the Frontier Wars 1794: Robbins, William died Sept. 25 Robbins, Vincent trans. Arnold's Spies Robbins, James trans. Arnold's Spies These names are the same as children of Isaac. Vincent was a spy in 1794 in Kentucky. Another Vincent Robbins was a spy in Ohio during the War of 1812. What are the odds? Posted by: crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:36 pm ((PST)) Gary here is some information about Vincent being in Kentucky from a Draper paper concerning William Grant: Draper MS 17s George Washburn was in some Indian fights--used to speak of Crawford's campaign--settled Salt River Ky. and was one of the party there who pursued the Indians who captured Miss Van Cleve and found her murdered body, all dressed in her white Sunday clothing. At another time, one George Bolling was killed in that region--he had gone to a neighbors to ge a pair of shoes for his mother and returning was killed at the rear of a field, his head cut off, and his heart cut out--when hearing whites approaching (George Washburn, his brother-in-law Vincent Robbins, and a negro) so hastily decamped that they left the heart and several silver cups upon a log. Washburn, Robbins carried his dead body and the negro was directed to carry the---P.125--- dissevered head and looking back they found him carrying it by one ear! So Geo.. Washburn must have lived on Salt River during the Indian War which closed in 1795, while his parents and brothers resided on the Ohio River in Mason Co., Ky. Posted by: crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:57 pm ((PST)) From the 1820 census for Clark, Brown County, OH: Robins, James 211101-01000 - This could be Vincent’s brother. Clark, Brown County, is where George Washburn was living in 1820. To be honest with James I am not 100% sure where he fits in with Vincent. Here is his marraige record : James Ralins Gender Male Marriage Date 25 Dec 1823 Marriage Place Brown, Ohio, USA Spouse Cynthia Lucas Film Number 000384273 Upon further review on the Brown county record the last name Was Robbins instead of Ralins. She is the daughter of Robinson Lucas and Mary Prickett. James age changes from the 1820 and 1830 census but I believe he was born in the 1780-1790 time frame. He died in 1836 in Union Brown County Ohio. Son of Vincent and Ann kitchen Robbins Obediah also had a son James. http://www.tbgen.com/hodgkins/children.html Susannah Hodgkins - married Obadiah Robbins, son of Vincent Robbins and Ann Kitchen. We have marriage date of July 1776 in New Jersey. See Washburn, Robbins and other families http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=law&id=I01890 for more on the Robbins family. obbins (spelled Robans and Robins in the will): Amos Robbins Samuel Robbins Ezekiel Robbins William Robbins John Robbins Hannah Robbins James Robbins Wright: Elizabeth Wright wife of George Wright - we believe this is the Elizabeth Robbins, daughter of Susannah Hodgkins and Obadiah Robbins. See Travis LeMasters website http://www.angelfire.com/rant/travislemaster/wright.familypage..html for more on George Wright's family. Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:13 pm ((PST)) Obediah Robbins and Susannah Hodgkins Robbins Children living in Washington Twp. Brown County:  William Robbins marries Mary Drake in 1822 in Brown C.   BIRTH 9/10/1787 DEATH 4/12/1850 • Vance Family Cemetery Brown County, Ohio, USA Geroge Wright marries Elizabeth Robins   1/27/1812 in Adams Co.          BIRTH 16 JUL 1781 • Pennsylvania, Somerset, Pennsylvania, United States DEATH 22 NOV 1857 • Washington, Brown, Ohio, United States 27 Jan 1812 • Adams, Ohio, United States  John Robbins                                                                        BIRTH 1798 • Pennsylvania DEATH Washington Township, Brown County Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:30 am ((PST)) From the 1830 census for Scott Twp, Brown County, OH: Robins, Nancy 201 – 120111 From Brown County, Ohio History: John W. Robbins, farmer, was born in Scott Township December 5, 1830; he was a son of Vincent Robbins, who was twice married, his second wife being Nancy Haynes ... Four children were the issue of the first marriage, and seven of the second; of the latter our subject was the sixth. His father died when he was a boy, and he remained with his mother. What do you make of this? - During the census, Nancy is living without Vincent. - During the census, Nancy is pregnant with John. - Vincent and Nancy have one more child after John, which means Vincent is in the area in 1830 or returns - Vincent doesn’t appear in census records in 1830 or 1840, yet he is in Brown County in 1847 when the land record is written. - the census record matches the history article for children born to Vincent and Nancy, 7 total, 5 by the 1830 census. Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:34 am ((PST)) From the 1850 census for Jackson, Clermont County, OH: Robins, Nancy 52 PA Alexander 29 Farmer OH Margaret A. 22 " John W. 19 Blacksmith " Sarah C. 15 " Morse, Emry E. 1 " Fryman, James 12 " From the 1860 census for Concord, Iroquois County, IL: Robins, Alex'r 45 Farming OH Sarah 24 " Nancy 63 PA Nancy J. 6 OH Nancy H. 6 " Mary A. 4 " Margaret 1 " Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:22 pm ((PST)) Vincent is on record living in Eagle, B.County in 1820 with 4 children. He marries Nancy Moore in 1822 and moves to her land in Scott Twp. B. County. There neighbors were the John Barngrover and George Bingaman who played a huge role in 3 out of 4 of Vincent's first children's lives. Peter 1810  Robbins married Elizabeth Barngrover who's mother was Margaret Bingaman Barngrover.  Azubia Robbins married Roderick McKenzie who's mother was Barbra Coon McKenzie Bingaman. First husband George Wesley McKenzie died around 1812. She married George Bingaman in 1814. Another sister Ellen Robbins marries Henry H. Bingaman nephew of George Bingaman.   Vincent Jr. 1808 marries Susan Stratton who's family came from Pennsylvania..  I was surprised to see a record of Vincent being alive in 1847, since the 1820 Census he has been a ghost.  On that Biography of John W. Robbins there was the Haynes reference and perhaps she was married to a Haynes before Vincent. She had a child Alexander born in 1820-1821 before wedlock to Vincent in 1822. Vincent Sr. sister died Azubia Washburn in 1830 and George Washburn remarried a couple years later. Perhaps Vincent helped move George to Indiana during the 1834-1835 period. I read on a Dover, Mason County Kentucky  http://www.nkyviews.com/mason/pdf/dover_part_1.pdf historical page about the arrival of 1785 Jeremiah Washburn. Here are a couple of Tax records on George Washburn : Name: George Washburn State: KY County: Shelby County Township: No Township Listed Year: 1795 Name: George Washburn Residence County: Bracken Residence Year: 1799 The Shelby County record is the only record that put's him in area where Vincent Robbins and Charity Ryker were in the same area. In the History of Brown County book they stated that the George and Azubia Washburn came across the River from Kentucky to Clark area Brown county around 1800. Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:31 am ((PST)) I’m curious about the Isaac/Vincent Robbins land transaction in Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA, in 1797. I was thinking about Vincent fathering has last child with Nancy in 1833 – 1834. If this is indeed Vincent, son of Isaac, who was no longer a minor in 1783, then he would have been 70 + years old. I’ve googled this morning and see that it’s possible. I wonder if Vincent became distrustful of the census or if he continued to be adventurous and didn’t spend much time at home. Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:26 am ((PST)) It seems the 1850 census age for James Robins is incorrect. James W. Robbins was born 16 Aug, 1820 in Jefferson County, IN, the son of William Robbins born 19 Nov, 1794 in Shelby County, KY, the son of Vincent Robbins and Charity Ryker. James was married 20 Jan, 1841 in Jefferson County, IN. The dates are from ancestry.com. From the 1860 census for Washington, Van Buren County, IA: Robbins, James W. 39 Farmer IN Nancy 38 KY Cynthia E. 16 IN John G. 14 " Daniel 12 " Archibald 8 " William 4 " Mary F. 2 IA Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:49 am ((PST)) The Family of William Grant (born 1790 KY-died 1879 IN) and allied Washburn, Robbins and other families. Entries: 15659 Updated: 2012-12-14 16:59:06 UTC (Fri) Owner: Lou Ann Winterrowd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Index | Descendancy | Register | Pedigree | Ahnentafel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. ID: I01532 a.. Name: Vincent Robbins a.. Sex: M a.. Birth: BET 1760 AND 1765 in NJ a.. Death: BEF 1850 a.. Note: VINCENT ROBBINS WAS BORN IN NEW JERSEY AND NOT IN NORTH CAROLINA!! He is NOT part of the North Carolina Robbins who moved to Kentucky, though this is an understandable mistake. The two families are related as Joseph Robbins, a grandson of Daniel Robbins of CT and NJ moved to NC and many of his descendants moved to KY. Vincent Robbins was the brother of Azuba Robbins. Azuba married George Washburn and George and Azuba Washburn are my great, great, great grandparents. I have the mortality schedule for Phebe (Washburn) Grant and it states that both of her parents, George Washburn and Azuba Robbins were born in New Jersey. Another census shows that Isaac Washburn, son of George and Azuba was born in PA. I believe that the parents of Vincent and Azuba Robbins probably lived at least for a short time in Sussex Co. NJ where the Washburns were living. A John Robbins was living in Sussex Co. and he moved to Washington Co. PA. I believe that he may have been a brother to Vincent and Azuba, but have not been able to prove that he was. Vincent and Azuba do not show up in any records I have found in SE PA, but I believe they were probably too young and were with their parents. I have other evidence that Vincent and Azuba Robbins were from New Jersey. There was a William and an Isaac Robbins in Washington Co. PA and I believe that one of these two men was the father of Vincent and Azuba Robbins, but have not found the proof. I would very much appreciate any help that anyone can give me in finding the names of the parents of Vincent Robbins and his sister, Azuba (Robbins) Washburn. Vincent Robbins married Charity Ryker. Charity Ryker was the daughter of Gerardus Ryker and Rachel Demerast. Gerardus was killed in Floyd's Defeat and Rachel then married John Van Cleve who was the brother of Jane Van Cleve who was married to Squire Boone Jr. Squire Boone Jr. was a brother to Elizabeth Boone who married William Grant. Their son John Grant was the father of William Grant who married Phebe Washburn who was the daughter of George Washburn and Azuba Robbins. Jonathan Boone, son of Squire Boone Jr. and Jane Van Cleve married Catherine (Rice) Fullenwider whose first husband was Peter Fullenwider. Peter Fullenwider was a brother to Elizabeth Fullenwider who married John Carr. John and Elizabeth Carr had a daughter, Barbara Carr, who married Gerardus Ryker Robbins who was the son of Vincent Robbins and Charity Ryker. Rachel, sister to Charity, married 2nd) William Robbins, died 1795 who was a brother of Vincent Robbins. Vincent Robbins is listed in "Vol. Soldiers 1784-1811" as serving in the Vol. militia in 1794. Considering this, Vincent Robbins could also have been with Anthony Wayne when he marched to Fallen Timbers, as was Corneilus Washburn, though I have no proof that he was with Wayne. There are some stories about Vincent Robbins in the Draper MS. One is in the interview with Phebe (Washburn ) Grant and another is printed in "The Boone Family" by Hazel A. Spraker. I have been able to verify some of the information I have about Vincent Robbins, Charity Ryker, their families and their descendants. The following are some of my sources for that information about Vincent Robbins and his families and descendants: Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:08 am ((PST)) That helps A LOT!!  So James is Charity's GRANDSON not son. Just the other day I made a discovery about the Vincent (who was married to Charity Ryker) and I knew I needed to look at James a bit harder. Vincent died (or at least left his children orphaned) sometime before 1807. Check out the attached record of Ryker Robins being bound out to David Vancleave. He says ..."directing Ryker Robbins infant orphan of Vincent Robbins who is aged seventeen years twelfth February one thousand and seven to be bound unto David Vancleave..." This is a Shelby Co. KY record, dated 11 April 1809. Source: Shelby Co. KY deed book I, pages 72-73 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4L-Y5NB?i=44&cat=109965 Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:09 am ((PST)) This was most likely Gerardus Ryker Robbins, born 12 Feb, 1791, I think I’ve also seen 1790. From Chapter Five: The Riker Genealogy Charity. Born circa 1779 KY or Aug. 4, 1771, Closter, NJ. Married first Dec. 22, 1787, Vincent Robbins, Jefferson County (3 children); second to Hugh Conway 1763-1838 (3 children). Another child of Vincent and Charity: Rachel born 15 Dec. 1796 Hugh Conway as a 2nd husband of Charity could be true: In 1800, he’s listed in Shelby County, KY. From the 1810 census for Gallatin, Gallatin County, KY: Conway, Hugh 10001-20010 From the 1820 census for Gallatin County, KY: Conoway, Hugh 000001-00101 Gallatin County, KY, borders the Ohio river and is close to Jefferson County, IN. The son was Henry born 18 Sep. 1800 Shelby County, KY, died 28 Sep. 1838 Canaan, Jefferson County, IN, where Charity was living in 1850. I’ve found children of Vincent’s sons, Gerardus Ryker and William, and the name Vincent is not among them. Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:46 am ((PST)) JEFFERSON COUNTY BIOGRAPHIES Taken from Biographical and Historical Souvenir of Clark, Crawford, Harrison, Floyd, Jefferson, Jennings, Scott and Washington Published by John M. Gresham & Company 1889 William Robbins, (deceased), the subject of this sketch, was born in Kentucky in 1794. He was brought up in perilous time from the wild beast of the country and the still wilder and more cruel men, the Indian. His first visit to Indiana Territory was in 1804, when he came to visit his mother's brother, John Rykere, who had a claim in Eagle Creek Valley, about three miles east of where Madison now is He bought flour, sugar and coffee to his uncle, luxuries which were not to be had at that time in the little settlement of Indiana. During this journey he saw deer, bears, panthers and various kinds of smaller game. He crossed the Ohio in a pirogue, his horse swimming by the side of the boat. In 1809 Mr. Robbins settled permanently in Jefferson County, or what was afterward so named, making his home with his uncle, Mason Watts, who had built a log cabin two miles north of the present site of Canaan. The indians were troublesome about this time, and he enlisted as a ranger, and was several months in that service, headquarters at Buchanan's Station. The company in which he served was along Indian Kentucky creek, and was commanded by James McCoy as captain; this was in 1811-1812. He was with Gen. W. H. Harrison when Detroit was taken, and at the battle of the River Thames were Tecumseh was killed; but just who fired that fatal shot he could never twll. After the war he settled on a tract of land, two and one-half miles north of Canaan, which he bought of the Government. He was married on the 21st of January, 1816, to Elizabeth Wildman, who was the daughter of James Wildman, an early settler. He was married by Elder Jesse Vawter. Mr. Robbins was a great hunter, and kept his family well supplied with meat by the use of his gun. Game of all kinds was plenty in the forest at that time -beasts and birds. He was in Madison at the first sale of lots by John Paul and Jonathan Lyons; the lots were about where the court-house now stands; they sold for about fifteen dollars apiece. The result of his marriage was eight children, who lived to the age of maturity, vis: Eliza, Mary A., James, Aaron, Elizabeth, Martha, Ryker and John W.; of these, two girls and four boys are now living (in 1888). Mr. Wm. Robbins died in 1884, at his son Aaron's; he had been blind for some years. He was a centenarian, and the last of his compeers to pass away to the Spirit Land. His wife died in 1856. He was a member of the Baptist Church for many years before his death. His youngest daughter, Martha, was married to James Christie, February 24, 1846, and to them were born two children: John W. and Mary Elizabeth. Her husband died July 11, 1850, and she re-married in October, 1855, to William B. East, and to them were born five children, viz: George O., Ryker A., Minerva A., Fannie D. and Bailey S. Her second husband died January 26, 1865, and she married a third time, in 1884, to Enos Miles, who died in 1887. She still lives in the village of Bryantsburg. Her eldest son enlisted in the Tenth Reg. Ind. Vols., and served through the war. Mrs. Miles has raised her family almost unaided, and has been successful in giving all of them a good common-school education. She has lived to see all of her children grown and married. She has been an earnest member of the Methodist Episcopal Church for some twenty years. Posted by: crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:28 pm ((PST)) I agree that this Ryker Robbins is Geradus Ryker Robins. There was also a Isaac Robins and Rachel Robins Storm. On ancestry a cousin Ritanne_60 who we share Peter 1810-1893 believes in the Ryker connection. This Hugh Conway I believe married Geertie's sister who also was named Charity. I did see on the 1850 Census that she Geertie Charity was living with her Grandson. Rita told me a story about Isaac Robbins 1788 the first born child that he was scalped as a child and still a long life. This gives some prove as to when the Vincent Robins died as it is reported on many Ancestry tree's as 1798. I have been studying Robbins names associated with Washington County Pennsylvania and found three people so far from that time period. Amos 12/15/1797 Job will from 1777 Daniel 1760 family tree. I have to tip my OCD hat to Tracey for having the super sleuth skills to find these hidden records. The will's i have read are SO boring about there worldly poss-ions. I have found a Jeremiah Washburn Will from Kentucky that listed George and other male son's on it. I think what Tracey found is further proof that this Vincent is not related to the Ryker family. I did find a Vincent Robbins tax record that matched George Washburn in 1795 in Shelby Co. Kentucky. So it seems to me that wherever Azubia Washburn went her brother followed. I have found some Robbins that were married in Brown county in the 1815-1822 range that probably fit into either Vincent's or Obediah Robbins family. Sarah Robbins m Zadoc Prickett William Robbins m Mary Drake Cornielus Washburn son of George Washburn married Susan Dunn who's mother was a Prickett. Also James Robbins married Cythnia Lucas who's mother was also a Prickett. It is a very interesting family soup of revolving family names that migrated from Allegheny Co. PA. I suspect that Peter 1810-1893 mother is part of this Wright/ Fleming / Evans / Prickett . Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:59 pm ((PST)) Isaac Robbins born 1788 ... the scalping sounds logical ... the long life not so much. Do you have any records for him? I assume you mean Vincent Robbins of Brown County, Ohio, is not related to the Ryker family? Are you suggesting Asubia Robbins brother, Vincent, was in Shelby County, KY, in 1795, and another Vincent Robbins married Charity Ryker in Shelby County in 1797? For what it’s worth, I agree with the descendant of George Washburn who researched the family and believes Vincent Robbins, brother of Asubia, married Charity Ryker. Please give me a theory about how Vincent Robbins of Brown County, Ohio, is connected to Isaac Robbins of Nottingham Twp, Washington County, Pennsylvania; I’m thinking of the land record of 1797/1847. Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:23 pm ((PST)) I wish Lou Ann Winterrowd was in on this discussion. She obviously did a lot of research. I find this interesting, this is from Lou Ann: Name: Vincent Robbins Sex: M Birth: BET 1760 AND 1765 in NJ Death: BEF 1850 Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:31 pm ((PST)) You’re suggesting Vincent and Charity Robbins 1st son was named Isaac. Isaac Robbins, where might that name have come from? Posted by: crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:04 pm ((PST)) I thought that Isaac was the paternal grand father since they seemed to carry on the Scottish naming patterns.The 2nd male was Geradus Ryker Robbins named after Geertie's slained father. I deleted the Ryker family from my tree but have debated with my long ago cousin Ritanne and she is a firm believer. I have tried to email with LouAnne Winterrowd but was not successful. I think I have her phone number from stalking her but I have not had the guts to call her. I emailed Ritanne and told her about the new information on Vincent and that it would be awesome to get in touch with LouAnne. Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:59 pm ((PST)) Cris--you'll probably want to add the Rykers back into your tree!! I found Hugh Conway's will and it is so mind-blowing I had to send you all the most important snippet  without transcribing the entire thing! Important note: He wrote the will in September 1816. It was probated in 1838. OH MY GOSH!! I can't get this to you all fast enough!! You won't believe it! Read it: "...the whole of my property both real and personal to my wife Ruthy Conway during her natural life and then to my three children: Cynthia Robens Nancy Robens and Harry (?) Robens, natural children I had by Charity Robens after she separated from her husband Vincent Robens the said Charity now lives with her mother Rachel Vancleave in the Indiana but this arrangement is not to include any property that my wife Ruth had when I married her..." SO! Charity and Vincent separated! And Charity had children with Hugh Conway but did not marry him! We don't know when but we know it was before 1807--when Vincent's son Ryker was considered an "orphan of Vincent Robbins." Does that mean that this Vincent went on to Ohio and had Cris Robbins' ancestor?? I also read  the Rev. War pension application of Hugh Conway written in 1833. He does not name his wife or his children in it. But he does say that he lived in the following places: Born in Pennsylvania in 1763 Lived at Forks of the Youghogany River in Pennsylvania during the revolution up to the year 1783 when he came to KY and became a resident of what was then called Jefferson "I think now Nelson County When I entered the service in all my tours prior to 1783 I was a resident of the said county of Washington Pennsylvania. When I was called into service in 1783 I was then a resident of KY in the county of Jefferson now Nelson. Since the revolution I continued to reside for some years in Nelson County KY and then moved to Shelby County KY where I continued to live for about 19 years and then moved to Gallatin now Owen County KY in the year 1808 and have continued to live in the same county ever since..." Notice a pattern here? Washington Co. PA, to Jefferson Co. KY (Charity Ryker and Vincent Robbins were married in Jefferson), to Shelby Co. KY...I wonder if these families knew each other in Washington Co. PA! Charity and Vincent's marriage record in Jefferson is at: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/61372/TH-1971-28930-12581-44\ ?pid=901867744&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll\ ?_phsrc%3DCro10389%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%2\ 6indiv%3D1%26db%3DFSMarriageKentucky%26gss%3Dangs-d%26new%3D1%26r\ ank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3DCharity%26gsfn_x%3D0%26gsln%3DRyker%26\ gsln_x%3D0%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3Dfdi%26pcat%3D34%26fh%3D1%26h%3D901\ 867744%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D2&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Cro10389&_phs\ tart=successSource&usePUBJs=true BUT also, in Jefferson County Kentucky is the following marriage record: Hugh Conway to Rachel Vancleave Jefferson County Kentucky 13 Sept 1788 https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/61372/TH-1961-28930-12126-39\ ?pid=1845777&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?i\ ndiv%3D1%26dbid%3D61372%26h%3D1845777%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%\ 3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DCro10353%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&per\ sonid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Cro10353&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJ\ s=true So was Hugh first married to Rachel Vancleave?? BOY! The plot really thickens guys! And just so we have proper citations: Here is the source for Hugh Conway's will: Owen County KY Will Book B, pages 259-260 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GP38-95DJ?i=139&\ wc=37RG-VZS%3A173643901%2C173853801&cc=1875188 I made a PDF and attached it here. Also Hugh Conway's Rev War pension application is online at: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1995/MIUSA1775D_135213-00033\ ?pid=13586&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?in\ div%3D1%26dbid%3D1995%26h%3D13586%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtr\ ue%26_phsrc%3DCro10367%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personi\ d=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Cro10367&_phstart=successSource&use\ PUBJs=true#?imageId=MIUSA1775D_135213-00041 Posted by: crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@ymail.com Date: Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:03 pm ((PST)) I tried to find information on Isaac Robbins 1788 but didn't really find anything. I assumed with the story from Ritanne that said he was scalped and that he was fitted with some kind of animal prosthetic on top of his head. That he probably never married and maybe had limited mental abilities ? I have a marriage record of Vincent Robins and Charity Rycker as 12/22/1787 in Jefferson County Kentucky, I followed the posting from LouAnn Winterrowd as the gospel and still believe her Azubia / Vincent accounts from Washington County PA and Sussex Co. N.J. She even suggested back in 2002 that there was 2 possible Robbins that could be there father, Isaac being one and I forgot the other in Washington Co PA. She also believed that they had a brother John. It never made sense to me that The Rykers were part of my Ohio line. First none of Rykers ever came to Ohio they instead went to Indiana.. The Idea of Divorce before 1808 when Vincent H. Robbins was born seems to hard to except. The Rykers if I remember were part of the low dutch and they emigrated as a group. The mother of Vincent 1808 Peter 1810 Ellen 1811 and Azubia 1812 is unknown and I suspect no Ryker connection with them. The timeline when Jeremiah Washburn came to Dover, Mason County KY was around 1786 according to this http://www.nkyviews.com/mason/pdf/dover_part_1.pdf http://www.nkyviews.com/mason/pdf/dover_part_1.pdf . There so many parallels with Robbins / Washburn Rykers as being Indian spys used by the military for there wilderness prowess. It is possible they ran into each other. But I think the Rykers came from the Carolina's to Jefferson County from the South while the Washburn's / Robbins came from the Mason Co / Bracken Co to Shelby County ( 1795 tax record) from the North. I wish my cousin Ritanne ritanne@fuse.net who is a member of this society would join us in the debate. She has a lot of insight that would be very useful. I have no insight to add about Isaac from Nottingham just what Tracey uncovered. Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@netflash.net Date: Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:30 am ((PST)) Tracey, I’m very glad you continued researching and found this Will. Henry Conway was born 18 Sept. 1800, according to what I found. He supposedly died 28 Sept, 1838, interesting that it’s the same year his father’s Will was Probated. I’ve seen a death year for Vincent Robbins of 1798, that year or early 1799 now fits for when Vincent and Charity separated.