----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:243 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-01-09 12:50:20 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins of SW PA Message: Atten.: John German, and June Nash Lindquist, John, Thank you for responding to my missive one month ago today. I got started on that thought before Christmas and got sidetracked. I believe the John born c1797 is my G-G-Great Grandfather listed in 1850 (W)Va census, res iding in the 37th Dist. of Monongalia Co., which lists him born in PA abt. 1797. Unfortunately I am unfamiliar with Robbins' living in points south. Some of John's descendants moved to Ohio and Indiana. June, On my recent visit to SW PA I visited the Cornerstone Genealogical Society, in Waynesburg, Greene County, for the first time. They wowed me; I walked in and signed the guestbook and immediately had three volunteers pul ling books, files, etc. The Cornerstone library in Waynesburg has surname files, and an extensive collection of obituaries. I was amazed by a four volume set of tombstone photographs on CD. It was a comprehensive project where all of the tombstones in all of the cemeteries in Greene County, PA were photographed. One of the books was the Horn Papers patent map book. There are references to two properties: Fidelity and Reliance associated with Daniel and William Robins along the border of Nicholson and Springhill Twps. There is also a reference in the footn otes to a Richard Robins who owned a grist mill in the area. I don't have experience looking at patent records but am told that valuable information is often contained in the applications. I found correspondence from you to the group dated Aug. 2 2008, referencing these properties, however my page was blank when I opened the e-mail. I have been in touch with the PA State Archive and they need a warrant n o., and I am trying to follow advice to use their website under 'land records, and 'warrant register'. They can do a search for a fee, per property. I thought I would follow up with your past correspondence first. I believe that John Robbins mentioned above may be the son of a William, so I am interested in gleaning these patent records. Mary Robbins ________________________________ From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins of SW PA I know of two Robbins men in Monongalia Co., WV, I hope you can please shed some light upon. John Robbins, b. c1797, (where?); his descendant has a DNA marker value that is common to descendants of Richard Robbins, b. c1710, who lived in North Carolina. I wonder if this is a connection or is it a parallel mutation. I'd like to know where this John Robbins was born or lived before he reached Monongalia. (is this one your's?) There was a large Robbins family in Washington Co., Kentucky, in late 1700s and early 1800s. I'm wondering if this record belongs to this family: Washington County, Kentucky, Deed Abstracts, 1792-1803, compiled by Faye Sea Sanders (Louisville: privately pub., 1991) p. 7: A-108 - 28 May 1794 Power of Attorney - Evans Watkins of Wash. Co. appointed Wm. Watkins, his son of Wash. Co. lawful attorney to execute a deed conveying 310 acres of land to Isaac Robbins of Monangahala Co., Va. on the waters of Scotts Mill Run in sd county adjoining land of Wm. Robertson. (signed) Evan Watkins Thanks. Mary Robbins wrote: I just returned home from a visit to Greene Co., Fayette Co., PA and a bit of Monongalia Co., WV. I was pleased with my visit, tramping through cemeteries and searching for records. If you have a Robbins connection in this area, feel free to compare notes with me. >Mary Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:244 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-01-13 13:14:30 Subject:Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC Message: 1. Richard Robins b. ?, d. 1787 NC. DNA shows he relates to the Daniel Robins descendants. The name of his parents & wife is unknown. He may have been the unborn child of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins, however, no proof h as been discovered to verify this assumption? 2. Richard's son Jacob b. abt. 1728 ? d.? Jenning Co., IN. He married Mary Welles. 3. Jacob & Mary Welles Robbins had a son William b. 10-21-1761 Randolph Co., NC & d. 9-11-1834 in Decatur Co., IN. William married Bethiah Vickery who was the grandaughter of Bethiah Robins & great-grandaughter of Josep h & Hannah Pack Robins. Can anyone verify the above? Add or correct? Thanks, Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:245 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-01-13 16:44:20 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC Message: I'll jump in here privately so as not to discourage discussion. I doubt that my responding to your questions will surprise you. Richard Robbins was possibly born about 1710 which if accurate fits well with the posthumous child of Joseph Robbins, but I cannot rule out an earlier birth. The 1750 tax list of the Dan River Dist of Granville Co., NC indicates that he paid taxes for two likely sons Isaac and Jacob Robins. The taxable age then was 16 which puts their births before 1735; not unreasonable but it does make Richard a young father if born about 1710. The Dan River District became part of Rowan Co., NC when it was formed in 1753. The last record of Richard Robins I am certain of is a 1769 Rowan Co. deed when he deeded several items to Richard Robbins Jr.; I cannot identify later records as being Richard Robbins Sr. The 1787 death date is a fabrication by the champion of the Welsh fantasy; I have no doubt that this fellow (who died last year) was a descendant of John Robbins son of Joseph Robbins Jr (will dated 1754 and witnessed by Richard Robins. But in order to support his Welsh story he needed another John. The 1785 tax list included a "John Robbins son of Richard" to distinguish him from John Robbins who was a son of William Robbins and Frances Nation. No Richard Robbins appears in the 1790 census, but not because he was dead but because he was the junior Richard Robbins and is found in the 1800 tax list of Shelby Co., Kentucky, along with Jacob Robins. I can't account for the 15 year gap except that Richard Robbins III age 60 was born in Virginia per the 1850 census of Scott Co., Indiana. Now going back a step, the Welsh champion further muddied the water by claiming John Robins (son of William and Frances (Nation) Robins was the son John named in Joseph's will thus providing more twisted evidence to support his two Johns scenario. As for John "son of Richard" I can't say positively where he went - by 1790 census only two John's were present in Randolph Co.: John son of William and John son of Joseph. Something I've wondered about is the NJ marriage of a Richard Robbins to Ann Reece in 1729 - could this be Richard of NC and might this marriage have introduced the Welsh ancestry idea into his descendants? The problem here is if born in 1710, Richard was only 19 when married - possible, but how common? I'm not well informed about Jacob Robbins family, but I think the 1728 birth estimate may be too early - the above tax record comment shows he was born before 1735 and if William b. 1761 is his eldest 1728 would mean he didn't have a son before he was 33. Some have also expressed a concern that confusion exists re the Wells family and its connection to Edgecomb Co., NC, where a completely unrelated Robbins family lived. The info re William Robbins's birth, death, marriage, and Bethia Vickery are found in her Rev. War pension application. I hope something here is helpful. Sara wrote: >1. Richard Robins b. ?, d. 1787 NC. DNA shows he relates to the Daniel Robins descendants. The name of his parents & wife is unknown. He may have been the unborn child of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins, however, no proof has been discovered to verify this assumption? >2. Richard's son Jacob b. abt. 1728 ? d.? Jenning Co., IN. He married Mary Welles. >3. Jacob & Mary Welles Robbins had a son William b. 10-21-1761 Randolph Co., NC & d. 9-11-1834 in Decatur Co., IN. William married Bethiah Vickery who was the grandaughter of Bethiah Robins & great-grandaughter of Jose ph & Hannah Pack Robins. > >Can anyone verify the above? Add or correct? > Thanks, Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:246 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-01-13 17:14:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC Message: Well slap me twice - I forgot to change the address. ,  John German wrote: I'll jump in here privately so as not to discourage discussion. I doubt that my responding to your questions will surprise you. Richard Robbins was possibly born about 1710 which if accurate fits well with the posthumous child of Joseph Robbins, but I cannot rule out an earlier birth. The 1750 tax list of the Dan River Dist of Granville Co., NC indicates that he paid taxes for two likely sons Isaac and Jacob Robins. The taxable age then was 16 which puts their births before 1735; not unreasonable but it does make Richard a young father if born about 1710. The Dan River District became part of Rowan Co., NC when it was formed in 1753. The last record of Richard Robins I am certain of is a 1769 Rowan Co. deed when he deeded several items to Richard Robbins Jr.; I cannot identify later records as being Richard Robbins Sr. The 1787 death date is a fabrication by the champion of the Welsh fantasy; I have no doubt that this fellow (who died last year) was a descendant of John Robbins son of Joseph Robbins Jr (will dated 1754 and witnessed by Richard Robins. But in order to support his Welsh story he needed another John. The 1785 tax list included a "John Robbins son of Richard" to distinguish him from John Robbins who was a son of William Robbins and Frances Nation. No Richard Robbins appears in the 1790 census, but not because he was dead but because he was the junior Richard Robbins and is found in the 1800 tax list of Shelby Co., Kentucky, along with Jacob Robins. I can't account for the 15 year gap except that Richard Robbins III age 60 was born in Virginia per the 1850 census of Scott Co., Indiana. Now going back a step, the Welsh champion further muddied the water by claiming John Robins (son of William and Frances (Nation) Robins was the son John named in Joseph's will thus providing more twisted evidence to support his two Johns scenario. As for John "son of Richard" I can't say positively where he went - by 1790 census only two John's were present in Randolph Co.: John son of William and John son of Joseph. Something I've wondered about is the NJ marriage of a Richard Robbins to Ann Reece in 1729 - could this be Richard of NC and might this marriage have introduced the Welsh ancestry idea into his descendants? The problem here is if born in 1710, Richard was only 19 when married - possible, but how common? I'm not well informed about Jacob Robbins family, but I think the 1728 birth estimate may be too early - the above tax record comment shows he was born before 1735 and if William b. 1761 is his eldest 1728 would mean he didn't have a son before he was 33. Some have also expressed a concern that confusion exists re the Wells family and its connection to Edgecomb Co., NC, where a completely unrelated Robbins family lived. The info re William Robbins's birth, death, marriage, and Bethia Vickery are found in her Rev. War pension application. I hope something here is helpful. Sara wrote: 1. Richard Robins b. ?, d. 1787 NC. DNA shows he relates to the Daniel Robins descendants. The name of his parents & wife is unknown. He may have been the unborn child of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins, however, no proof h as been discovered to verify this assumption? 2. Richard's son Jacob b. abt. 1728 ? d.? Jenning Co., IN. He married Mary Welles. 3. Jacob & Mary Welles Robbins had a son William b. 10-21-1761 Randolph Co., NC & d. 9-11-1834 in Decatur Co., IN. William married Bethiah Vickery who was the grandaughter of Bethiah Robins & great-grandaughter of Josep h & Hannah Pack Robins. Can anyone verify the above? Add or correct? Thanks, Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:247 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-01-13 18:37:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC Message: John, Thank you for the details on Richard Robins & sons. I was aware that Richard Robins b. abt. 1710 wasn't born in Wales as circulated as a fact for many years. However, I wasn't aware of the Joseph Robins, Jr. descendant & his fabrication of Richard's 1787 death date in his attempt to perpetuate the Welsh heritage with the two John Robins. I've been examining copies of Sarah Robbins Lehman's research along with some of the family group records that were published back in the 1990's in Kevin Mittge's "Robbins Journal." It looks like the Journal records were based on Mrs.Lehman's work. Mrs. Lehman records Richard Robins son of Isaac & Sarah McGray Robin s died between 1786-1790 at Level Cross, Randolph Co., NC & is buried with his wife Anna Parsons at Timber Ridge Cemetery. She doesn't name a son Jacob Robins among the 7 children she lists for Richard & no sources are given. Yes, your account is helpful as I've learned some important facts I didn't previously know. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC I'll jump in here privately so as not to discourage discussion. I doubt that my responding to your questions will surprise you. Richard Robbins was possibly born about 1710 which if accurate fits well with the posthumous child of Joseph Robbins, but I cannot rule out an earlier birth. The 1750 tax list of the Dan River Dist of Granville Co., NC indicates that he paid taxes for two likely sons Isaac and Jacob Robins. The taxable age then was 16 which puts their births before 1735; not unreasonable but it does make Richard a young father if born about 1710. The Dan River District became part of Rowan Co., NC when it was formed in 1753. The last record of Richard Robins I am certain of is a 1769 Rowan Co. deed when he deeded several items to Richard Robbins Jr.; I cannot identify later records as being Richard Robbins Sr. The 1787 death date is a fabrication by the champion of the Welsh fantasy; I have no doubt that this fellow (who died last year) was a descendant of John Robbins son of Joseph Robbins Jr (will dated 1754 and witnessed by Richard Robins. But in order to support his Welsh story he needed another John. The 1785 tax list included a "John Robbins son of Richard" to distinguish him from John Robbins who was a son of William Robbins and Frances Nation. No Richard Robbins appears in the 1790 census, but not because he was dead but because he was the junior Richard Robbins and is found in the 1800 tax list of Shelby Co., Kentucky, along with Jacob Robins. I can't account for the 15 year gap except that Richard Robbins III age 60 was born in Virginia per the 1850 census of Scott Co., Indiana. Now going back a step, the Welsh champion further muddied the water by claiming John Robins (son of William and Frances (Nation) Robins was the son John named in Joseph's will thus providing more twisted evidence to support his two Johns scenario. As for John "son of Richard" I can't say positively where he went - by 1790 census only two John's were present in Randolph Co.: John son of William and John son of Joseph. Something I've wondered about is the NJ marriage of a Richard Robbins to Ann Reece in 1729 - could this be Richard of NC and might this marriage have introduced the Welsh ancestry idea into his descendants? The problem here is if born in 1710, Richard was only 19 when married - possible, but how common? I'm not well informed about Jacob Robbins family, but I think the 1728 birth estimate may be too early - the above tax record comment shows he was born before 1735 and if William b. 1761 is his eldest 1728 would mean he didn't have a son before he was 33. Some have also expressed a concern that confusion exists re the Wells family and its connection to Edgecomb Co., NC, where a completely unrelated Robbins family lived. The info re William Robbins's birth, death, marriage, and Bethia Vickery are found in her Rev. War pension application. I hope something here is helpful. Sara wrote: >1. Richard Robins b. ?, d. 1787 NC. DNA shows he relates to the Daniel Robins descendants. The name of his parents & wife is unknown. He may have been the unborn child of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins, however, no proo f has been discovered to verify this assumption? >2. Richard's son Jacob b. abt. 1728 ? d.? Jenning Co., IN. He married Mary Welles. >3. Jacob & Mary Welles Robbins had a son William b. 10-21-1761 Randolph Co., NC & d. 9-11-1834 in Decatur Co., IN. William married Bethiah Vickery who was the grandaughter of Bethiah Robins & great-grandaughter of Jo seph & Hannah Pack Robins. > >Can anyone verify the above? Add or correct? > Thanks, Sara > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:248 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-01-13 18:40:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC Message: If any other member wants to jump in here on the Richard Robins 1710 discussion, please do. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC Well slap me twice - I forgot to change the address. , John German wrote: I'll jump in here privately so as not to discourage discussion. I doubt that my responding to your questions will surprise you. Richard Robbins was possibly born about 1710 which if accurate fits well with the posthumous child of Joseph Robbins, but I cannot rule out an earlier birth. The 1750 tax list of the Dan River Dist of Granville Co., NC indicates that he paid taxes for two likely sons Isaac and Jacob Robins. The taxable age then was 16 which puts their births before 1735; not unreasonable but it does make Richard a young father if born about 1710. The Dan River District became part of Rowan Co., NC when it was formed in 1753. The last record of Richard Robins I am certain of is a 1769 Rowan Co. deed when he deeded several items to Richard Robbins Jr.; I cannot identify later records as being Richard Robbins Sr. The 1787 death date is a fabrication by the champion of the Welsh fantasy; I have no doubt that this fellow (who died last year) was a descendant of John Robbins son of Joseph Robbins Jr (will dated 1754 and witnessed by Richard Robins. But in order to support his Welsh story he needed another John. The 1785 tax list included a "John Robbins son of Richard" to distinguish him from John Robbins who was a son of William Robbins and Frances Nation. No Richard Robbins appears in the 1790 census, but not because he was dead but because he was the junior Richard Robbins and is found in the 1800 tax list of Shelby Co., Kentucky, along with Jacob Robins. I can't account for the 15 year gap except that Richard Robbins III age 60 was born in Virginia per the 1850 census of Scott Co., Indiana. Now going back a step, the Welsh champion further muddied the water by claiming John Robins (son of William and Frances (Nation) Robins was the son John named in Joseph's will thus providing more twisted evidence to support his two Johns scenario. As for John "son of Richard" I can't say positively where he went - by 1790 census only two John's were present in Randolph Co.: John son of William and John son of Joseph. Something I've wondered about is the NJ marriage of a Richard Robbins to Ann Reece in 1729 - could this be Richard of NC and might this marriage have introduced the Welsh ancestry idea into his descendants? The problem here is if born in 1710, Richard was only 19 when married - possible, but how common? I'm not well informed about Jacob Robbins family, but I think the 1728 birth estimate may be too early - the above tax record comment shows he was born before 1735 and if William b. 1761 is his eldest 1728 would mean he didn't have a son before he was 33. Some have also expressed a concern that confusion exists re the Wells family and its connection to Edgecomb Co., NC, where a completely unrelated Robbins family lived. The info re William Robbins's birth, death, marriage, and Bethia Vickery are found in her Rev. War pension application. I hope something here is helpful. Sara wrote: 1. Richard Robins b. ?, d. 1787 NC. DNA shows he relates to the Daniel Robins descendants. The name of his parents & wife is unknown. He may have been the unborn child of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins, however, no proof has been discovered to verify this assumption? 2. Richard's son Jacob b. abt. 1728 ? d.? Jenning Co., IN. He married Mary Welles. 3. Jacob & Mary Welles Robbins had a son William b. 10-21-1761 Randolph Co., NC & d. 9-11-1834 in Decatur Co., IN. William married Bethiah Vickery who was the grandaughter of Bethiah Robins & great-grandaughter of Josep h & Hannah Pack Robins. Can anyone verify the above? Add or correct? 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Groups Links ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:249 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-01-14 08:59:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC Message: Richard Robins (1710) is my direct ancestor. When I told Sarah Robbins Lehman that John German's DNA project showed me as almost certainly being a descendant to Daniel she went ballistic. Hasn't called me since then .  Chris Robbins ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC  If any other member wants to jump in here on the Richard Robins 1710 discussion, please do.                                                              Sara  ----- Original Message ----- >From: John German >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC > > >Well slap me twice - I forgot to change the address. > >, > > > >John German wrote: > >I'll jump in here privately so as not to discourage discussion. I doubt that my responding to your questions will surprise you. Richard Robbins was possibly born about 1710 which if accurate fits well with the posthumous child of Joseph Robbins, but I cannot rule out an earlier birth. The 1750 tax list of the Dan River Dist of Granville Co., NC indicates that he paid taxes for two likely sons Isaac and Jacob Robins. The taxable age then was 16 which puts their births before 1735; not unreasonable but it does make Richard a young father if born about 1710. The Dan River District became part of Rowan Co., NC when it was formed in 1753. The last record of Richard Robins I am certain of is a 1769 Rowan Co. deed when he deeded several items to Richard Robbins Jr.; I cannot identify later records as being Richard Robbins Sr. The 1787 death date is a fabrication by the champion of the Welsh fantasy; I have no doubt that this fellow (who died last year) was a descendant of John Robbins son of Joseph Robbins Jr (will dated 1754 and witnessed by Richard Robins. But in order to support his Welsh story he needed another John. The 1785 tax list included a "John Robbins son of Richard" to distinguish him from John Robbins who was a son of William Robbins and Frances Nation. No Richard Robbins appears in the 1790 census, but not because he was dead but because he was the junior Richard Robbins and is found in the 1800 tax list of Shelby Co., Kentucky, along with Jacob Robins. I can't account for the 15 year gap except that Richard Robbins III age 60 was born in Virginia per the 1850 census of Scott Co., Indiana. Now going back a step, the Welsh champion further muddied the water by claiming John Robins (son of William and Frances (Nation) Robins was the son John named in Joseph's will thus providing more twisted evidence to support his two Johns scenario. As for John "son of Richard" I can't say positively where he went - by 1790 census only two John's were present in Randolph Co.: John son of William and John son of Joseph. Something I've wondered about is the NJ marriage of a Richard Robbins to Ann Reece in 1729 - could this be Richard of NC and might this marriage have introduced the Welsh ancestry idea into his descendants? The problem here is if born in 1710, Richard was only 19 when married - possible, but how common? I'm not well informed about Jacob Robbins family, but I think the 1728 birth estimate may be too early - the above tax record comment shows he was born before 1735 and if William b. 1761 is his eldest 1728 would mean he didn't have a son before he was 33. Some have also expressed a concern that confusion exists re the Wells family and its connection to Edgecomb Co., NC, where a completely unrelated Robbins family lived. The info re William Robbins's birth, death, marriage, and Bethia Vickery are found in her Rev. War pension application. I hope something here is helpful. Sara wrote: >>1. Richard Robins b. ?, d. 1787 NC. DNA shows he relates to the Daniel Robins descendants. The name of his parents & wife is unknown. He may have been the unborn child of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins, however, no proof has been discovered to verify this assumption? 2. Richard's son Jacob b. abt. 1728 ? d.? Jenning Co., IN. He married Mary Welles. 3. Jacob & Mary Welles Robbins had a son William b. 10-21-1761 Randolph Co., NC & d. 9-11-1834 in Decatur Co., IN. William married Bethiah Vickery who was the grandaughter of Bethiah Robins & great-grandaughter of Josep h & Hannah Pack Robins. Can anyone verify the above? Add or correct? Thanks, Sara ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:250 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-01-14 10:12:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC Message: What I have of Mrs. Lehman's work came from her a few years ago & I recently decided to try to come up with an outline of it for my own reference. I did have several interesting conversations with Sarah Robbins Lehman long before DNA came into the picture. She seemed to be an intelligent & educated woman so maybe she has come to terms with Genetic Genealogy by now. Although the origin of the Robbins group that Mrs. Lehman presents has been shown to be incorrect by DNA, possibly the following generations she gives aren't all wrong. The problem is there are very few sources, just re ferences to the census, some cemeteries & her own comments. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: C ROBBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC Richard Robins (1710) is my direct ancestor. When I told Sarah Robbins Lehman that John German's DNA project showed me as almost certainly being a descendant to Daniel she went ballistic. Hasn't called me since then . Chris Robbins From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC If any other member wants to jump in here on the Richard Robins 1710 discussion, please do. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robins b. 1710, d. 1787 NC Well slap me twice - I forgot to change the address. , John German wrote: I'll jump in here privately so as not to discourage discussion. I doubt that my responding to your questions will surprise you. Richard Robbins was possibly born about 1710 which if accurate fits well with the posthumous child of Joseph Robbins, but I cannot rule out an earlier birth. The 1750 tax list of the Dan River Dist of Granville Co., NC indicates that he paid taxes for two likely sons Isaac and Jacob Robins. The taxable age then was 16 which puts their births before 1735; not unreasonable but it does make Richard a young father if born about 1710. The Dan River District became part of Rowan Co., NC when it was formed in 1753. The last record of Richard Robins I am certain of is a 1769 Rowan Co. deed when he deeded several items to Richard Robbins Jr.; I cannot identify later records as being Richard Robbins Sr. The 1787 death date is a fabrication by the champion of the Welsh fantasy; I have no doubt that this fellow (who died last year) was a descendant of John Robbins son of Joseph Robbins Jr (will dated 1754 and witnessed by Richard Robins. But in order to support his Welsh story he needed another John. The 1785 tax list included a "John Robbins son of Richard" to distinguish him from John Robbins who was a son of William Robbins and Frances Nation. No Richard Robbins appears in the 1790 census, but not because he was dead but because he was the junior Richard Robbins and is found in the 1800 tax list of Shelby Co., Kentucky, along with Jacob Robins. I can't account for the 15 year gap except that Richard Robbins III age 60 was born in Virginia per the 1850 census of Scott Co., Indiana. Now going back a step, the Welsh champion further muddied the water by claiming John Robins (son of William and Frances (Nation) Robins was the son John named in Joseph's will thus providing more twisted evidence to support his two Johns scenario. As for John "son of Richard" I can't say positively where he went - by 1790 census only two John's were present in Randolph Co.: John son of William and John son of Joseph. Something I've wondered about is the NJ marriage of a Richard Robbins to Ann Reece in 1729 - could this be Richard of NC and might this marriage have introduced the Welsh ancestry idea into his descendants? The problem here is if born in 1710, Richard was only 19 when married - possible, but how common? I'm not well informed about Jacob Robbins family, but I think the 1728 birth estimate may be too early - the above tax record comment shows he was born before 1735 and if William b. 1761 is his eldest 1728 would mean he didn't have a son before he was 33. Some have also expressed a concern that confusion exists re the Wells family and its connection to Edgecomb Co., NC, where a completely unrelated Robbins family lived. The info re William Robbins's birth, death, marriage, and Bethia Vickery are found in her Rev. War pension application. I hope something here is helpful. Sara wrote: 1. Richard Robins b. ?, d. 1787 NC. DNA shows he relates to the Daniel Robins descendants. The name of his parents & wife is unknown. He may have been the unborn child of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins, however, no proof has been discovered to verify this assumption? 2. Richard's son Jacob b. abt. 1728 ? d.? Jenning Co., IN. He married Mary Welles. 3. Jacob & Mary Welles Robbins had a son William b. 10-21-1761 Randolph Co., NC & d. 9-11-1834 in Decatur Co., IN. William married Bethiah Vickery who was the grandaughter of Bethiah Robins & great-grandaughter of Josep h & Hannah Pack Robins. Can anyone verify the above? Add or correct? Thanks, Sara ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:251 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-01-14 15:41:48 Subject:Descendants of Levi Robbins of Overton, TN Message: John, Do you have any copies of your work "Descendants of Levi Robbins of Overton, TN" for sale? I'm interested in obtaining a copy. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:252 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-02-18 07:17:15 Subject:Fayette County, PA Message: F.Y.I. I finally got to the PA State Archives yesterday and viewed the land records for two patents in Springhill Twp., Fayette County, PA. "Fidelity" was warranted by Daniel Robins in 1785, and according to the patent, Danie l died intestate and Wm. Robins filed as Administrator. An adjoining property called "Reliance" was warranted in 1771 by James Borden, and patented by "Daniel Robins Administrator Wm. Robins". Both were patented on the same day: 23 April 1793. Over the years William was the earliest generation that was traced in the SW PA, so far as I am aware. If this is "my" Wm., Daniel is a new link for me. James Borden from the adjoining property is a new name also; wond ering if this means there is a family connection to Borden or if Wm. Robins simply purchasing adjoining property. I was able to do my preparation via the PA State Archives' website. I am enrolled in the NGS online home study course, and decided I wanted the experience of visiting the archive, and view the warrants and patents on microfilm. I may wish to look to see if Wm. had a will; I may also make an effort to learn more about James Borden. I am interested in hearing suggestions from anyone in this forum who may have interest in this south-western Fayette Rob(b)ins connection. Mary Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:253 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-02-19 07:38:41 Subject:Fw: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette County, PA Message: Dale, et al., Are you familiar with this Daniel from Fidelity? Regarding the land records, only Wm. was mentioned, as his administrator.  Wm. is the earliest generation I was aware of. I think I got all my info from Leona Cheeney, after she answered my query many years ago.  Int erestingly, when I went to SW PA in December I was surprised to see a stack of letters from Leona in the surname files in Greene and Washington counties.  There was something about her writing style that puzzled me unt il saw at the closing of one letter, her explanation that she was "deaf and mute". Leona shared that Wm. was married to Mary Evans, there were four sons: 1.William m. Margaret Dillner,2. John m. Sarah 3. Daniel and 4. George.  Leona came thru son William, and I descended from son John.  I haven't l earned anymore about Daniel or George. Mary ________________________________ From: Dale Robbins To: "merobbins336@yahoo.com" Cc: Roy Robbins Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette County, PA Thank you for this information. Do the records that you have indicate if Daniel had an survivors? A wife, Sarah? ________________________________ From: Mary Robbins To: Robbins Society Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2012, 9:17:15 Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette County, PA  F.Y.I. I finally got to the PA State Archives yesterday and viewed the land records for two patents in Springhill Twp., Fayette County, PA.  "Fidelity" was warranted by Daniel Robins in 1785, and according to the patent, Dani el died intestate and Wm. Robins filed as Administrator. An adjoining property called "Reliance" was warranted in 1771 by James Borden, and patented by "Daniel Robins Administrator Wm. Robins". Both were patented on the same day: 23 April 1793. Over the years William was the earliest generation that was traced in the SW PA, so far as I am aware. If this is "my" Wm., Daniel is a new link for me.  James Borden from the adjoining property is a new name also; won dering if this means there is a family connection to Borden or if Wm. Robins simply purchasing adjoining property. I was able to do my preparation via the PA State Archives' website.   I am enrolled in the NGS online home study course, and decided I wanted the experience of visiting the archive, and view the warrants and patents on microfilm. I may wish to look to see if Wm. had a will; I may also make an effort to learn more about James Borden. I am interested in hearing suggestions from anyone in this forum who may have interest in this south-western Fayette Rob(b)ins connection. Mary Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:254 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-02-19 09:09:02 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette County, PA Message: Thanks Mary. No, I am not familiar with Daniel from Fidelity. Who is he? There is a Daniel in my line who married a Sarah Blatchley. For a while I thought that they had gone to SW PA before heading to Canada. It does not appear that Daniel ever made it to Canada, but Sarah did, and she lived into at least 1835. Her sister was Mary Blatchley Robins married to a, you guessed it, Joshua. He was Daniel Robins brother. She divorced Joshua and we presume ended up in Greene or Fayette County. I suspect your lin e descends from a brother or cousin of Daniel and Joshua, whose parentage at this point is a mystery. ________________________________ From: Mary Robbins To: Robbins Society Sent: Sunday, 19 February 2012, 9:38:41 Subject: Fw: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette County, PA  Dale, et al., Are you familiar with this Daniel from Fidelity? Regarding the land records, only Wm. was mentioned, as his administrator.  Wm. is the earliest generation I was aware of. I think I got all my info from Leona Cheeney, after she answered my query many years ago.  Int erestingly, when I went to SW PA in December I was surprised to see a stack of letters from Leona in the surname files in Greene and Washington counties.  There was something about her writing style that puzzled me unt il saw at the closing of one letter, her explanation that she was "deaf and mute". Leona shared that Wm. was married to Mary Evans, there were four sons: 1.William m. Margaret Dillner,2. John m. Sarah 3. Daniel and 4. George.  Leona came thru son William, and I descended from son John.  I haven't l earned anymore about Daniel or George. Mary ________________________________ From: Dale Robbins To: "merobbins336@..." Cc: Roy Robbins Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette County, PA Thank you for this information. Do the records that you have indicate if Daniel had an survivors? A wife, Sarah? ________________________________ From: Mary Robbins To: Robbins Society Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2012, 9:17:15 Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette County, PA  F.Y.I. I finally got to the PA State Archives yesterday and viewed the land records for two patents in Springhill Twp., Fayette County, PA.  "Fidelity" was warranted by Daniel Robins in 1785, and according to the patent, Dani el died intestate and Wm. Robins filed as Administrator. An adjoining property called "Reliance" was warranted in 1771 by James Borden, and patented by "Daniel Robins Administrator Wm. Robins". Both were patented on the same day: 23 April 1793. Over the years William was the earliest generation that was traced in the SW PA, so far as I am aware. If this is "my" Wm., Daniel is a new link for me.  James Borden from the adjoining property is a new name also; won dering if this means there is a family connection to Borden or if Wm. Robins simply purchasing adjoining property. I was able to do my preparation via the PA State Archives' website.   I am enrolled in the NGS online home study course, and decided I wanted the experience of visiting the archive, and view the warrants and patents on microfilm. I may wish to look to see if Wm. had a will; I may also make an effort to learn more about James Borden. I am interested in hearing suggestions from anyone in this forum who may have interest in this south-western Fayette Rob(b)ins connection. Mary Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:255 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-02-28 15:24:03 Subject:John Robins b. abt. 1745-48 Message: Looking for John Robins b. abt 1745-1748 in Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., NJ, his wife was Mary Hutchinson b. 1750. John & Mary married 1768 in Monmouth Co. Mary's father Robert Hutchinson sold his NJ land in April of 1 774 & bought land in Prince William County, VA in December of 1774. It appears John & Mary may have migrated to VA with her parents. Has anyone found a John Robins in VA who may be this same man from NJ? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:256 Sender:"Tod Robbins" Post Date/Time:2012-03-04 15:31:39 Subject:Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Message: Hello all! I just wanted to let you know I've created a group for us on FamilySearch Forums. For those who don't know, it's a gathering place for researchers to discuss genealogy on the FamilySearch websites: familysear ch.org, wiki.familysearch.org, etc. The link is: https://familysearch.org/learn/forums/en/group.php?groupid=279 Feel free to join the group as it is an extension of the work we do here and I'm sure we'll find more Robbins researchers as we spread our tent out across the Web. Cheers, Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:257 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-03-04 15:43:58 Subject:Death of John W. Taylor, Jr. Message: Betty Taylor, John's wife called me this afternoon with the sad news that John passed away on Feb. 24th 2012. He had just celecbrated his 86th birthday the week prior to his death. Betty said John's death was unexpected & he died peacefully. John was an a special person to many of us in the Robbins family genealogical circle. I considered John to be a gentleman & a scholar & he was certainly all of that & much more. He will be greatly missed by all of us. If anyone wants to remember John it can be done by donating to the Gloucester County Historical Society, 17 Hunter St. Woodbury, NJ 08096-4605. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:258 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-03-04 15:55:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death of John W. Taylor, Jr. Message: Somber news indeed Sara. Betty my thoughts and prayers are with you. John will be missed dearly in the group. God bless you, Tod -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:259 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-03-04 16:05:57 Subject:Obituary of John W. Taylor, Jr. Message: I have posted John's obituary in the group's files. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:260 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-03-04 18:19:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Message: Tod, Are we moving to a new group? Will the present one be obsolete? We lost quite a few members at the time of the last move so question how our present group feels about a move if it is a move. I'm flexible & not opposed t o a change. Possibly you have a good explanation for adding this new site. Please let us know more about it. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Tod Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Hello all! I just wanted to let you know I've created a group for us on FamilySearch Forums. For those who don't know, it's a gathering place for researchers to discuss genealogy on the FamilySearch websites: familyse arch.org, wiki.familysearch.org, etc. The link is: https://familysearch.org/learn/forums/en/group.php?groupid=279 Feel free to join the group as it is an extension of the work we do here and I'm sure we'll find more Robbins researchers as we spread our tent out across the Web. Cheers, Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:261 Sender:"demcgregor@..." Post Date/Time:2012-03-04 19:41:50 Subject:Re: Death of John W. Taylor, Jr. Message: Mr. Taylor will be greatly missed. He was a gracious man. My thoughts and prayers are with his family at this time. Sincerely, Debby ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:262 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-03-04 21:02:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Message: Sara, It's not meant as a replacement. Though I'm not sure how much longer Yahoo plans on supporting Groups. Anyhow, I see it as one more area for our researchers to connect with other folks researching the same ancestors. Any other ideas on how we could use the FamilySearch group to reach out to Robbins descendants? Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:263 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-03-05 09:22:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Message: Tod, I went to the link you provided & registered to become a member. After signing up at the Register box at the top of the page & activating at my home e-mail address, I don't see my name listed as a member. I just see you as the only member. How do we join this group? I noted the link to the Yahoo group at the new site, is this the extension? Why have two discussion groups? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Tod Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Hello all! I just wanted to let you know I've created a group for us on FamilySearch Forums. For those who don't know, it's a gathering place for researchers to discuss genealogy on the FamilySearch websites: familyse arch.org, wiki.familysearch.org, etc. The link is: https://familysearch.org/learn/forums/en/group.php?groupid=279 Feel free to join the group as it is an extension of the work we do here and I'm sure we'll find more Robbins researchers as we spread our tent out across the Web. Cheers, Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:264 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2012-03-05 11:53:44 Subject:Re: Death of John W. Taylor, Jr. Message: I'll never forget John for his great help in proving that Jonathan ROBINS (1694-1774) of Hunterdon Co, NJ (post 1750) was the same Jonathan ROBINS of Monmouth Co, NJ (pre 1751). I had the pleasure of meeting John Taylor on a couple of occasions. John's death is a great loss. Marshall > Betty Taylor, John's wife called me this afternoon with the sad news > that John passed away on Feb. 24th 2012. He had just celecbrated his > 86th birthday the week prior to his death. Betty said John's death was > unexpected & he died peacefully. John was an a special person to many of > us in the Robbins family genealogical circle. I considered John to be a > gentleman & a scholar & he was certainly all of that & much more. He > will be greatly missed by all of us. > > If anyone wants to remember John it can be done by donating to the > Gloucester County Historical Society, 17 Hunter St. Woodbury, NJ > 08096-4605. > Sara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:265 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-03-06 11:55:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Message: Sara, Good point. I just wanted it to be another way for Robbins researchers to stumble upon the Yahoo group and if they have FamilySearch specific questions, they could discuss them there or here. The main purpose is to get our name out there. Tod -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:266 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-03-06 12:07:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Message: Tod, Good idea. Thank for the explanation. What else do I need to do to become a member at the family search site? I haven't been able to connect. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Sara, Good point. I just wanted it to be another way for Robbins researchers to stumble upon the Yahoo group and if they have FamilySearch specific questions, they could discuss them there or here. The main purpose is to ge t our name out there. Tod -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:267 Sender:Robyn Post Date/Time:2012-03-07 09:27:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Message: So, do I understand that part of the purpose of this new connection, is to let people know about our group, here? And that I need do nothing? On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:55:52 -0800 tod wrote: > Sara, > > Good point. I just wanted it to be another way for >Robbins researchers to > stumble upon the Yahoo group and if they have >FamilySearch specific > questions, they could discuss them there or here. The >main purpose is to > get our name out there. > > Tod > > -- > Tod Robbins > iSchool GSA Crew > MLIS Candidate 2012 > University of Washington Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:268 Sender:Robyn Post Date/Time:2012-03-07 09:30:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death of John W. Taylor, Jr. Message: I'm sorry to hear of John Taylor's passing, and sorry that I never had a chance to meet him. His contribution to the work of this group has certainly been of considerable value. On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:43:58 -0000 Sara wrote: > Betty Taylor, John's wife called me this afternoon with >the sad news that John passed away on Feb. 24th 2012. He >had just celecbrated his 86th birthday the week prior to >his death. Betty said John's death was unexpected & he >died peacefully. John was an a special person to many of >us in the Robbins family genealogical circle. I >considered John to be a gentleman & a scholar & he was >certainly all of that & much more. He will be greatly >missed by all of us. > > If anyone wants to remember John it can be done by >donating to the Gloucester County Historical Society, 17 >Hunter St. Woodbury, NJ 08096-4605. > Sara > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:269 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-03-07 10:01:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Message: I'm still unable to join the Family Search forum. Has anyone else had the same problem? I don't see anyone there but Tod. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Robyn To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums So, do I understand that part of the purpose of this new connection, is to let people know about our group, here? And that I need do nothing? On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:55:52 -0800 tod wrote: > Sara, > > Good point. I just wanted it to be another way for >Robbins researchers to > stumble upon the Yahoo group and if they have >FamilySearch specific > questions, they could discuss them there or here. The >main purpose is to > get our name out there. > > Tod > > -- > Tod Robbins > iSchool GSA Crew > MLIS Candidate 2012 > University of Washington Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:270 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2012-03-07 11:25:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums Message: Hi, I've joined. I suggest creating your FamilySearch account using the page at: https://ident.familysearch.org/cis-web/pages/registration/registration.html I already had a FamilySearch account created. So all I had to do was go to Todd's link and then once there click Join Group. https://www.familysearch.org/learn/forums/en/group.php?groupid=279# Tracey On 3/7/2012 11:01 AM, Sara Hoffman wrote:  I'm still unable to join the Family Search forum. Has anyone else had the same problem? I don't see anyone there but Tod.                                               Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Robyn To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Society on FamilySearch Forums  So, do I understand that part of the purpose of this new connection, is to let people know about our group, here? And that I need do nothing? On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:55:52 -0800 tod wrote: > Sara, > > Good point. I just wanted it to be another way for >Robbins researchers to > stumble upon the Yahoo group and if they have >FamilySearch specific > questions, they could discuss them there or here. The >main purpose is to > get our name out there. > > Tod > > -- > Tod Robbins > iSchool GSA Crew > MLIS Candidate 2012 > University of Washington Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:271 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-03-12 11:22:15 Subject:Mundia and family search AND Family Society website Message: Hello again all of you, i'm Richard Robbins and rejoining the group (again) since I lost my original sign in to the group. I am glad that I checked back in, since a few developments have seemed to have taken place since I had been gone. I checked out the Mundia tree by Sara Hoffman. It's nice to be able to graphically see the connections that Sara has made for the various Robins families, and to see what "probably" is my connection to the immigrant Daniel Robins through his son Daniel. Nice work, Sara! I joined that Family Search site, and I guess that's not very active... Is the Robins Family Society site linked in with this board? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:272 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-03-12 13:49:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Mundia and family search AND Family Society website Message: Richard, Welcome back! The current Robbins Family Society site is our wiki, at: http://robbins.wikispot.org Tod PS: What is the link to the Mundia tree? I don't think I've heard of that before. -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:273 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-03-12 14:04:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Mundia and family search AND Family Society website Message: Richard, Good to hear from you again & happy to know you were able to see my work on Mundia. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:22 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Mundia and family search AND Family Society website Hello again all of you, i'm Richard Robbins and rejoining the group (again) since I lost my original sign in to the group. I am glad that I checked back in, since a few developments have seemed to have taken place since I had been gone. I checked out the Mundia tree by Sara Hoffman. It's nice to be able to graphically see the connections that Sara has made for the various Robins families, and to see what "probably" is my connection to the immigrant Daniel Robins through his son Daniel. Nice work, Sara! I joined that Family Search site, and I guess that's not very active... Is the Robins Family Society site linked in with this board? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:274 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-12 14:31:06 Subject:Re: Mundia and family search AND Family Society website Message: Hopeffully Sara don't mind if I post this here, but before it goes to a pay site, check the tree out here. http://www.mundia.com/us/Tree/Family/460264/922398375 Hope that you can find something of value there. I did, as I finally can see where my Canadian family fits into the New Jersey Robins, through Daniel, son of the immigrant Daniel. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Richard, > > Welcome back! The current Robbins Family Society site is our wiki, at: > http://robbins.wikispot.org > > Tod > > PS: What is the link to the Mundia tree? I don't think I've heard of that > before. > > -- > Tod Robbins > iSchool GSA Crew > MLIS Candidate 2012 > University of Washington > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:275 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-03-12 17:22:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Mundia and family search AND Family Society website Message: Rick, I don't mind. Look at it now because Mundia won't continue to be a free site according to what they have posted. It's sponsored by Ancestry & I'm guessing mundia.com is a way Ancestry is getting new members in then they will be required to pay for a membership. For those who already have Ancestry the same material can be found at my Robbins & Lore Family tree. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Mundia and family search AND Family Society website Hopeffully Sara don't mind if I post this here, but before it goes to a pay site, check the tree out here. http://www.mundia.com/us/Tree/Family/460264/922398375 Hope that you can find something of value there. I did, as I finally can see where my Canadian family fits into the New Jersey Robins, through Daniel, son of the immigrant Daniel. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Richard, > > Welcome back! The current Robbins Family Society site is our wiki, at: > http://robbins.wikispot.org > > Tod > > PS: What is the link to the Mundia tree? I don't think I've heard of that > before. > > -- > Tod Robbins > iSchool GSA Crew > MLIS Candidate 2012 > University of Washington > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:276 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2012-03-12 18:10:09 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Mundia and family search AND Family Society website Message: Hi Sara, Do you have a link to your Ancestry.com tree? Or do you have one somewhat unique first and last name for an entry in the tree that we can search on to locate the tree? Tracey On 3/12/2012 7:22 PM, Sara Hoffman wrote:  Rick,  I don't mind. Look at it now because Mundia won't continue to be a free site according to what they have posted. It's sponsored by Ancestry & I'm guessing mundia.com is a way Ancestry is getting new members in then they will be required to pay for a membership. For those who already have Ancestry the same material can be found at my Robbins & Lore Family tree.                                                                                  Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Mundia and family search AND Family Society website  Hopeffully Sara don't mind if I post this here, but before it goes to a pay site, check the tree out here. http://www.mundia.com/us/Tree/Family/460264/922398375 Hope that you can find something of value there. I did, as I finally can see where my Canadian family fits into the New Jersey Robins, through Daniel, son of the immigrant Daniel. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Richard, > > Welcome back! The current Robbins Family Society site is our wiki, at: > http://robbins.wikispot.org > > Tod > > PS: What is the link to the Mundia tree? I don't think I've heard of that > before. > > -- > Tod Robbins > iSchool GSA Crew > MLIS Candidate 2012 > University of Washington > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:277 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-15 09:16:27 Subject:DNA matches and DNA site management. Message: Just was looking over the DNA matches today, I see that Blatchley Robins has been inserted down from my Knowlton NJ ancestor's match. While my ancestor came from NJ, he also lived in the area of Blachley. Thorold and We llandport aren't that far away. Also, on the FTDNA site, it seems as if the commentary on the site hasn't been updated in a while. We have more than the 21 mentioned in group 1, don't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:278 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2012-03-16 10:13:28 Subject:ROBINS - Knowlton Twp (Warren & Sussex Co), NJ Message: What do you know about your Knowlton Twp ROBINS line? > Just was looking over the DNA matches today, I see that Blatchley Robins > has been inserted down from my Knowlton NJ ancestor's match. While my > ancestor came from NJ, he also lived in the area of Blachley. Thorold > and Wellandport aren't that far away. > > Also, on the FTDNA site, it seems as if the commentary on the site > hasn't been updated in a while. We have more than the 21 mentioned in > group 1, don't we? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:279 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-16 11:58:58 Subject:Re: ROBINS - Knowlton Twp (Warren & Sussex Co), NJ Message: In Knowlton, Stephen (or Steven) and Daniel paid taxes in the tax ratables for Knowlton. Somewhere in the older versions of this board was a listing which confirmed that the same people that were in Knowlton also were, after 1802 in Gainsborough Twp . in Ontario. Deeds were transcribed that listed them as t he sons and daughters of a Daniel Robins. These being Isaac, Stephen,Daniel, and Abigail Vaughnan (so far) That Daniel Robins is listed in Sara's tree on Mundia, as being the son of John Robins, who was son of Daniel Robins which was the son of Daniel from Scotland. That's all I know. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > What do you know about your Knowlton Twp ROBINS line? > > > > Just was looking over the DNA matches today, I see that Blatchley Robins > > has been inserted down from my Knowlton NJ ancestor's match. While my > > ancestor came from NJ, he also lived in the area of Blachley. Thorold > > and Wellandport aren't that far away. > > > > Also, on the FTDNA site, it seems as if the commentary on the site > > hasn't been updated in a while. We have more than the 21 mentioned in > > group 1, don't we? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:280 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-03-16 13:58:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: ROBINS - Knowlton Twp (Warren & Sussex Co), NJ Message: If anyone who has looked at my Robins, Robbins family entries on mundia or ancestry has anything to add or correct, please let me know. I try to be as accurate as possible however, genealogy is always a work in progres s. Thanks Marshall & Kevin for your helpful comments. I don't know if any of you remember Laura Wade who thought her Robins ancestor migrated from NJ to Ontario, Canada. There were several discussions regarding her Robins line on the previous group. Laura isn't a member he re now but contacted me this week to say she had recently done Y-DNA testing on her Robins line & would let me know the results when available. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:58 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: ROBINS - Knowlton Twp (Warren & Sussex Co), NJ In Knowlton, Stephen (or Steven) and Daniel paid taxes in the tax ratables for Knowlton. Somewhere in the older versions of this board was a listing which confirmed that the same people that were in Knowlton also were, after 1802 in Gainsborough Twp . in Ontario. Deeds were transcribed that listed them as the sons and daughters of a Daniel Robins. These being Isaac, Stephen,Daniel, and Abigail Vaughnan (so far) That Daniel Robins is listed in Sara's tree on Mundia, as being the son of John Robins, who was son of Daniel Robins which was the son of Daniel from Scotland. That's all I know. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > What do you know about your Knowlton Twp ROBINS line? > > > > Just was looking over the DNA matches today, I see that Blatchley Robins > > has been inserted down from my Knowlton NJ ancestor's match. While my > > ancestor came from NJ, he also lived in the area of Blachley. Thorold > > and Wellandport aren't that far away. > > > > Also, on the FTDNA site, it seems as if the commentary on the site > > hasn't been updated in a while. We have more than the 21 mentioned in > > group 1, don't we? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:281 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-18 10:09:21 Subject:Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: I wanted to get a copy of the former Robins/Robbins message board messages, and I am having one hell of a time trying to get them to come up with that format that Todd (I think) has. Any solution to get these to a reada ble format? I'd love to see them as a searchable PDF by year, if I could get them as text I would be willing to put them together in word and make that happen. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:282 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-18 12:35:56 Subject:Re: Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: Sorry for that, I found them. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@...m, "Rick" wrote: > > I wanted to get a copy of the former Robins/Robbins message board messages, and I am having one hell of a time trying to get them to come up with that format that Todd (I think) has. Any solution to get these to a rea dable format? I'd love to see them as a searchable PDF by year, if I could get them as text I would be willing to put them together in word and make that happen. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:283 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-03-18 13:14:17 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: What about the possibility that Stephen was the son of Daniel and Sarah? Or Joshua and Mary? ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012, 13:09:21 Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins group messages.  I wanted to get a copy of the former Robins/Robbins message board messages, and I am having one hell of a time trying to get them to come up with that format that Todd (I think) has. Any solution to get these to a reada ble format? I'd love to see them as a searchable PDF by year, if I could get them as text I would be willing to put them together in word and make that happen. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:284 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-18 14:21:06 Subject:Re: Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: Anything is possible, but I see no evidence through naming patterns that any of the above are mentioned. Try this: 1779, Nov. 21. Robins, Cornelius, of Knowlton, Sussex Co., farmer; will of. Wife, Sarah, the profits of the land for her support and the children till my youngest son, Cornelius, is 21. Son, Andrew, bay horse. Son, John , bay mare. Sons, Andrew, John and Cornelius, the lands. Daughters to have an outset when married. Executors - Wife, Sarah, and son, Andrew. Witnesses - Daniel Robins, Bashaba Hunneywell, Henry Crosley. Proved Sept. 26 1780. 1779, Dec. 16. Inventory £156.18.0, made by Abraham Bosherer and Henry Crosley Lib. 22, p. 322 I believe that the elder Cornelius was a son of John and Elener and is named in the following will abstract: 1775, June 29. Robins, John, of Amwell, Hunterdon Co.; will of. Wife, Elener Robins, while my widow, the profits of the plantation I live on, and, after her death, to my son John, he paying to my son Cornelius, £50, and to my son Job, £100, when 21; but if Job do not live, then to my daughters, Anna Robins, Mary Robins, Elizabeth Woolverton, Hannah Robins, Jane Kitchen, Rachel Reily, Lydia Parlee, and Catherine Robins. Witnesses --- J ames Furman, Israel Chidster, David Chidister. Proved Sept. 16, 1777. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Dale Robbins wrote: > > What about the possibility that Stephen was the son of Daniel and Sarah? Or Joshua and Mary? > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012, 13:09:21 > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins group messages. > > >  > I wanted to get a copy of the former Robins/Robbins message board messages, and I am having one hell of a time trying to get them to come up with that format that Todd (I think) has. Any solution to get these to a rea dable format? I'd love to see them as a searchable PDF by year, if I could get them as text I would be willing to put them together in word and make that happen. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:285 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-18 14:57:02 Subject:And another mystery. Message: Hardwick township records show that Andrew ROBINS, Elisha Robins and Isaac Robins all were on the tax list in 1793. Andrew having been identified with Cornelius Robins back in 1779 when Cornelius died. A son of Stephen Robins was named Andrew, so possibly there is some sort of connec tion to all this, but I can't find it. Steven, John, and Daniel are in Knowlton at the same time. Later deeds show that Isaac and Daniel of Gainsborough Ontario are brothers. I suppose that I'd have to sort this out in deeds in Sussex, later on. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:286 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-03-18 22:00:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: Rick, Did you find those email archives? We were trying to get those into a plain text or PDF format for search but since I've been swamped in grad school I hadn't gotten to it yet. Sorry! Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:287 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2012-03-19 13:22:32 Subject:Re: And another mystery. Message: There's also a John ROBBINS & wife, Rachel, who purchased land in Hardwick 2 Sep 1795. They sold the same land 14 Mar 1798. Elisha ROBINS appears as a witness on a deed in Knowlton dated 24 Dec 1803. And Daniel ROBINS is mentioned as having land in Knowlton in a deed dated 25 Sep 1804. > Posted by: "Rick" rer.480@... rer480 > Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:57 pm ((PDT)) > > Hardwick township records show that Andrew ROBINS, Elisha Robins and > Isaac Robins all were on the tax list in 1793. Andrew having been > identified with Cornelius Robins back in 1779 when Cornelius died. A son > of Stephen Robins was named Andrew, so possibly there is some sort of > connection to all this, but I can't find it. Steven, John, and Daniel > are in Knowlton at the same time. Later deeds show that Isaac and Daniel > of Gainsborough Ontario are brothers. I suppose that I'd have to sort > this out in deeds in Sussex, later on. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:288 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-19 14:19:16 Subject:Re: Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: I have 2 of them. 2008 Q1 and 2007 both are made into PDF now. Just need a place to host. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Rick, > > Did you find those email archives? We were trying to get those into a plain > text or PDF format for search but since I've been swamped in grad school I > hadn't gotten to it yet. Sorry! > > Tod > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:289 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-19 14:27:04 Subject:Re: And another mystery. Message: As Hardwick and Knowlton seem to be adjacent to one another, it seems as if there could be a possibility that their lands could be fairly close together, Has anyone ever done a Google map or something similar deliniatin g where their properties were in relation to one another? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > There's also a John ROBBINS & wife, Rachel, who purchased land in Hardwick > 2 Sep 1795. They sold the same land 14 Mar 1798. > > Elisha ROBINS appears as a witness on a deed in Knowlton dated 24 Dec > 1803. > > And Daniel ROBINS is mentioned as having land in Knowlton in a deed dated > 25 Sep 1804. > > > > > Posted by: "Rick" rer.480@... rer480 > > Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:57 pm ((PDT)) > > > > Hardwick township records show that Andrew ROBINS, Elisha Robins and > > Isaac Robins all were on the tax list in 1793. Andrew having been > > identified with Cornelius Robins back in 1779 when Cornelius died. A son > > of Stephen Robins was named Andrew, so possibly there is some sort of > > connection to all this, but I can't find it. Steven, John, and Daniel > > are in Knowlton at the same time. Later deeds show that Isaac and Daniel > > of Gainsborough Ontario are brothers. I suppose that I'd have to sort > > this out in deeds in Sussex, later on. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:290 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-03-19 14:44:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: Rick, I'll host them on my site. How big are they and how do you want to get them to me? Tod -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:291 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-19 14:57:57 Subject:Re: Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: I will e-mail them. Are there any more than those? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Rick, > > I'll host them on my site. How big are they and how do you want to get them > to me? > > Tod > > -- > Tod Robbins > iSchool GSA Crew > MLIS Candidate 2012 > University of Washington > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:292 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-03-19 16:58:16 Subject:Re: Relationships of Andrew, Cornelius, Daniel, Isaac, Job & John. Message: Andrew Robins b. 1738 in Hunterdon d. 1777 in Harwick, Sussex Co. He was the son of Job Robins 1702-1756 & grandson of Daniel Jr. Andrew is named in Job's will. Isaac Robins b. 1758 in Hunterdon, d. 1836 in PA names his cousin Andrew in a deposition for his Rev. War pension. Isaac was the son of Daniel Robins b.1736 in Amwell, Hunterdon Co. d. 1802 Sussex Co. & the grandson of John Robins who was b. 1695 at Woodbridge, d. 1777 in Amw ell. Cornelius Robins 1740-1780 & Daniel Robins 1736-1802 were sons of John Robins 1695-1777. Andrew 1738-1777 was a cousin to Cornelius & Daniel. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Marshall Lake To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:22 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: And another mystery. There's also a John ROBBINS & wife, Rachel, who purchased land in Hardwick 2 Sep 1795. They sold the same land 14 Mar 1798. Elisha ROBINS appears as a witness on a deed in Knowlton dated 24 Dec 1803. And Daniel ROBINS is mentioned as having land in Knowlton in a deed dated 25 Sep 1804. > Posted by: "Rick" rer.480@... rer480 > Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:57 pm ((PDT)) > > Hardwick township records show that Andrew ROBINS, Elisha Robins and > Isaac Robins all were on the tax list in 1793. Andrew having been > identified with Cornelius Robins back in 1779 when Cornelius died. A son > of Stephen Robins was named Andrew, so possibly there is some sort of > connection to all this, but I can't find it. Steven, John, and Daniel > are in Knowlton at the same time. Later deeds show that Isaac and Daniel > of Gainsborough Ontario are brothers. I suppose that I'd have to sort > this out in deeds in Sussex, later on. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:293 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-19 18:31:54 Subject:Re: Relationships of Andrew, Cornelius, Daniel, Isaac, Job & John. Message: As well as Daniel 1736 being the father of Daniel, Stephen(allegedly) and Abigail Vaughnan. I'm wondering about Andrew. He died really young, was there some service time done by Andrew? Either side, both Loyalist or Revolutionary? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Andrew Robins b. 1738 in Hunterdon d. 1777 in Harwick, Sussex Co. He was the son of Job Robins 1702-1756 & grandson of Daniel Jr. Andrew is named in Job's will. Isaac Robins b. 1758 in Hunterdon, d. 1836 in PA names h is cousin Andrew in a deposition for his Rev. War pension. Isaac was the son of Daniel Robins b.1736 in Amwell, Hunterdon Co. d. 1802 Sussex Co. & the grandson of John Robins who was b. 1695 at Woodbridge, d. 1777 in A mwell. Cornelius Robins 1740-1780 & Daniel Robins 1736-1802 were sons of John Robins 1695-1777. Andrew 1738-1777 was a cousin to Cornelius & Daniel. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marshall Lake > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:22 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: And another mystery. > > > > > There's also a John ROBBINS & wife, Rachel, who purchased land in Hardwick > 2 Sep 1795. They sold the same land 14 Mar 1798. > > Elisha ROBINS appears as a witness on a deed in Knowlton dated 24 Dec > 1803. > > And Daniel ROBINS is mentioned as having land in Knowlton in a deed dated > 25 Sep 1804. > > > Posted by: "Rick" rer.480@... rer480 > > Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:57 pm ((PDT)) > > > > Hardwick township records show that Andrew ROBINS, Elisha Robins and > > Isaac Robins all were on the tax list in 1793. Andrew having been > > identified with Cornelius Robins back in 1779 when Cornelius died. A son > > of Stephen Robins was named Andrew, so possibly there is some sort of > > connection to all this, but I can't find it. Steven, John, and Daniel > > are in Knowlton at the same time. Later deeds show that Isaac and Daniel > > of Gainsborough Ontario are brothers. I suppose that I'd have to sort > > this out in deeds in Sussex, later on. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:294 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-03-19 19:48:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Relationships of Andrew, Cornelius, Daniel, Isaac, Job & John. Message: Rick, Andrew didn't serve any time in the military from what I can determine. I've not been able to locate any service record for him. Isaac Robins says he served I month for Andrew & 1 month for his father Daniel Robins. Pos sibly Andrew was disabled before 1777 due to poor health or some kind of injury. He would have been about 41 years old when he died. Isaac's deposition is interesting for the details he gives. For example he says he was born in Amwell, Hunterdon Co & came to Sussex Co. at the age of five. He states lived in Knowlton, Hardwick & another township that is unreadable in Sussex Co. during his life. His reason for moving to Columbia Co., Pa was to be with his son who was living there. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:31 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Relationships of Andrew, Cornelius, Daniel, Isaac, Job & John. As well as Daniel 1736 being the father of Daniel, Stephen(allegedly) and Abigail Vaughnan. I'm wondering about Andrew. He died really young, was there some service time done by Andrew? Either side, both Loyalist or Revolutionary? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Andrew Robins b. 1738 in Hunterdon d. 1777 in Harwick, Sussex Co. He was the son of Job Robins 1702-1756 & grandson of Daniel Jr. Andrew is named in Job's will. Isaac Robins b. 1758 in Hunterdon, d. 1836 in PA names his cousin Andrew in a deposition for his Rev. War pension. Isaac was the son of Daniel Robins b.1736 in Amwell, Hunterdon Co. d. 1802 Sussex Co. & the grandson of John Robins who was b. 1695 at Woodbridge, d. 1777 in Amwell. Cornelius Robins 1740-1780 & Daniel Robins 1736-1802 were sons of John Robins 1695-1777. Andrew 1738-1777 was a cousin to Cornelius & Daniel. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marshall Lake > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:22 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: And another mystery. > > > > > There's also a John ROBBINS & wife, Rachel, who purchased land in Hardwick > 2 Sep 1795. They sold the same land 14 Mar 1798. > > Elisha ROBINS appears as a witness on a deed in Knowlton dated 24 Dec > 1803. > > And Daniel ROBINS is mentioned as having land in Knowlton in a deed dated > 25 Sep 1804. > > > Posted by: "Rick" rer.480@... rer480 > > Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:57 pm ((PDT)) > > > > Hardwick township records show that Andrew ROBINS, Elisha Robins and > > Isaac Robins all were on the tax list in 1793. Andrew having been > > identified with Cornelius Robins back in 1779 when Cornelius died. A son > > of Stephen Robins was named Andrew, so possibly there is some sort of > > connection to all this, but I can't find it. Steven, John, and Daniel > > are in Knowlton at the same time. Later deeds show that Isaac and Daniel > > of Gainsborough Ontario are brothers. I suppose that I'd have to sort > > this out in deeds in Sussex, later on. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:295 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-03-19 23:47:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: I have .dbx files for: - 2005 - 2006 - 2007 - 2008 - 2009 - 2010 Only 2007 and 2008 had been converted to .docx format. I can't remember who did that conversion, Dale maybe. If anyone knows how to convert those I can get you the links for downloading them. Anyhow, here are the links to the PDFs Richard just sent me for the group to download: http://todrobbins.com/robbins/data/Robbins%20Group%202007.pdf (2007) http://todrobbins.com/robbins/data/Robbins%20Group%202008%20Q1%20Messages.pdf (Q1 2008) Tod -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:296 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-20 12:20:06 Subject:Re: Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: There's really nothing out there that will convert those things to a solid .doc without some serious steps. I managed to get them from the .dbx to a .eml format (windows live mail) which enables them to be read, anyway. I suppose opening each one would be ok and copying and pasting, but man, time consuming. I have somebody I messaged that may have the solution to all this. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > I have .dbx files for: > > - 2005 > - 2006 > - 2007 > - 2008 > - 2009 > - 2010 > > Only 2007 and 2008 had been converted to .docx format. I can't remember who > did that conversion, Dale maybe. If anyone knows how to convert those I can > get you the links for downloading them. > > Anyhow, here are the links to the PDFs Richard just sent me for the group > to download: > > http://todrobbins.com/robbins/data/Robbins%20Group%202007.pdf (2007) > http://todrobbins.com/robbins/data/Robbins%20Group%202008%20Q1%20Messages.pdf > (Q1 > 2008) > > Tod > > -- > Tod Robbins > iSchool GSA Crew > MLIS Candidate 2012 > University of Washington > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:297 Sender:tomRobbins@... Post Date/Time:2012-03-20 12:48:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: Rick, Try selecting all the emails and do a save as to a text file. That should put all the selected emails in one file. You could then copy/paste into Word and generate a PDF. Acrobat had a capability years ago where it would save your folders and emails into a pdf, but I don't think they offer that anymore in their Acrobat X program. Regards, Tom Robbins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:20:06 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins/Robins group messages.  There's really nothing out there that will convert those things to a solid .doc without some serious steps. I managed to get them from the .dbx to a .eml format (windows live mail) which enables them to be read, anyway. I suppose opening each one would be ok and copying and pasting, but man, time consuming. I have somebody I messaged that may have the solution to all this. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com , "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > I have .dbx files for: > > - 2005 > - 2006 > - 2007 > - 2008 > - 2009 > - 2010 > > Only 2007 and 2008 had been converted to .docx format. I can't remember who > did that conversion, Dale maybe. If anyone knows how to convert those I can > get you the links for downloading them. > > Anyhow, here are the links to the PDFs Richard just sent me for the group > to download: > > http://todrobbins.com/robbins/data/Robbins%20Group%202007.pdf (2007) > http://todrobbins.com/robbins/data/Robbins%20Group%202008%20Q1%20Messages.pdf > (Q1 > 2008) > > Tod > > -- > Tod Robbins > iSchool GSA Crew > MLIS Candidate 2012 > University of Washington > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:298 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-20 14:12:35 Subject:Re: Robbins/Robins group messages. Message: Ah, if it were only that simple. No multiple saving of .eml. 500 +messages is a little much for cut and paste. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, tomRobbins@... wrote: > > > > Rick, > > > > Try selecting all the emails and do a save as to a text file. That should put all the selected emails in one file. You could then copy/paste into Word and generate a PDF. Acrobat had a capability years ago where i t would save your folders and emails into a pdf, but I don't think they offer that anymore in their Acrobat X program. > > > > Regards, > Tom Robbins > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rick" > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:20:06 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins/Robins group messages. > >  > > > > > There's really nothing out there that will convert those things to a solid .doc without some serious steps. I managed to get them from the .dbx to a .eml format (windows live mail) which enables them to be read, anywa y. I suppose opening each one would be ok and copying and pasting, but man, time consuming. I have somebody I messaged that may have the solution to all this. > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com , "todd.d.robbins@" wrote: > > > > I have .dbx files for: > > > > - 2005 > > - 2006 > > - 2007 > > - 2008 > > - 2009 > > - 2010 > > > > Only 2007 and 2008 had been converted to .docx format. I can't remember who > > did that conversion, Dale maybe. If anyone knows how to convert those I can > > get you the links for downloading them. > > > > Anyhow, here are the links to the PDFs Richard just sent me for the group > > to download: > > > > http://todrobbins.com/robbins/data/Robbins%20Group%202007.pdf (2007) > > http://todrobbins.com/robbins/data/Robbins%20Group%202008%20Q1%20Messages.pdf > > (Q1 > > 2008) > > > > Tod > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > iSchool GSA Crew > > MLIS Candidate 2012 > > University of Washington > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:299 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-21 13:56:47 Subject:Robins Family South Jersey old messages Message: It seems as if the only way any of this can be put into DOC format is strictly by hand. I've asked around, and the best I could do is to offer the .dbx files expanded into .eml files. These can be searched using a free reader named MiTec Mail viewer. Searching the body of the mails will get the one you want, via keyword. Let me know if anyone is interested in this method for the reading of the archives of the old South Jersey board. I've been wondering why that got taken down in the first place. Any answers? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:300 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2012-03-21 16:06:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins Family South Jersey old messages Message: Have you tried importing into a folder in Outlook?  Then you can select (multiple) files to save as a .txt file which  can then be saved as a .doc file.  Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins Family South Jersey old messages  It seems as if the only way any of this can be put into DOC format is strictly by hand. I've asked around, and the best I could do is to offer the .dbx files expanded into .eml files. These can be searched using a free reader named MiTec Mail viewer. Searching the body of the mails will get the one you want, via keyword. Let me know if anyone is interested in this method for the reading of the archives of the old South Jersey board. I've been wondering why that got taken down in the first place. Any answers? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:301 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-21 19:08:43 Subject:Re: Robins Family South Jersey old messages Message: I have had no luck in doing that, saving as a text file does not open the email up, I just end up with the titles. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, William Collins wrote: > > Have you tried importing into a folder in Outlook?  Then you can select (multiple) files to save as a .txt file which  can then be saved as a .doc file. >  > Bill Collins > Summerville, SC > genedigger@... > > > ________________________________ > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:56 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins Family South Jersey old messages > > >  > It seems as if the only way any of this can be put into DOC format is strictly by hand. I've asked around, and the best I could do is to offer the .dbx files expanded into .eml files. These can be searched using a fre e reader named MiTec Mail viewer. Searching the body of the mails will get the one you want, via keyword. > > Let me know if anyone is interested in this method for the reading of the archives of the old South Jersey board. > > I've been wondering why that got taken down in the first place. Any answers? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:302 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2012-03-22 08:27:39 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2005.txt Uploaded by : tkrobbins1 Description : Robbins Family SJ 2005 Emails You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/robbinsfamilysociety/files/robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2005.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, tkrobbins1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:303 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2012-03-22 08:28:37 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2006.txt Uploaded by : tkrobbins1 Description : Robbins Family SJ 2006 Emails You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/robbinsfamilysociety/files/robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2006.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, tkrobbins1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:304 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2012-03-22 08:29:08 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2007.txt Uploaded by : tkrobbins1 Description : Robbins Family SJ 2007 Emails You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/robbinsfamilysociety/files/robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2007.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, tkrobbins1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:305 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2012-03-22 08:29:41 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2008.txt Uploaded by : tkrobbins1 Description : Robbins Family SJ 2008 Emails You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/robbinsfamilysociety/files/robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2008.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, tkrobbins1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:306 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2012-03-22 08:30:10 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2009.txt Uploaded by : tkrobbins1 Description : Robbins Family SJ 2009 Emails You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/robbinsfamilysociety/files/robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2009.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, tkrobbins1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:307 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2012-03-22 08:30:35 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2010.txt Uploaded by : tkrobbins1 Description : Robbins Family SJ 2010 Emails You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/robbinsfamilysociety/files/robbinsfamilysouthjersey-2010.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, tkrobbins1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:308 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-03-22 09:40:02 Subject:Uploaded files. Message: Great job Tom, how did you do it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:309 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-03-23 12:26:45 Subject:Welcome Brian Message: We have missed your expertise on the PA Robins/Robbins families. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:310 Sender:"Tod Robbins" Post Date/Time:2012-03-23 15:11:01 Subject:Finally got around to creating a Facebook group Message: Hello all, I've finally got around to creating a Facebook group! Yes, I don't know how we let that one slip by either. Anyhow, here's the link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/124949990963043/ If you would like to be an administrator of the FB group, let me know so I can give you the permissions you need to accept new members and the like. Also, feel free to spread the word to all who you think would be inter ested as this Facebook group may be an easier way to get some of our relatives, especially the young ones, involved or at least interested in the fine work all of you do each day searching out the Robbins family. Cheers! Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:311 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2012-03-26 06:03:25 Subject:Robins/Robbins of Oxford twp, Sussex Co. NJ Message: Hi all, Recently, I've been focusing on the Absolom Robins and Miller Robins who were on the 1793 tax list of Oxford twp, Sussex Co. They are a challenging pair, it seems! (I can't find much about them!) In any case, this is what I know so far--and if any of you are researching them too, contact me. =========================================== ABSOLOM ROBINS born: unknown--but was old enough to be taxed in 1793 (so maybe born 1772 or earlier??) married: unknown; wife's name was Elen ? died: unknown Child: SARAH ROBINS b. about 1800 Sarah first married George Curlis (Corliss, Curliss, etc.). Marriage date unknown. Her children were: Abigail Hayes Curlis b. 22 Aug 1821; Baptized at St. James Episcopal Church in Delaware NJ Daniel Craig Curliss b. 03 Sep 1822; Baptized at St. James Episcopal Church in Delaware NJ John Croes Curliss b. 03 Apr 1825; Baptized at St. James Episcopal Church in Delaware NJ Lydia Curliss b. 1832 Aaron Curlis b. 1837 James Fitz Curliss b. 03 Oct 1838 Sarah's second marriage was to Israel Swayze b. about 1782, 25 Aug 1856 in Hope, Warren Co. NJ (Israel was the son of Joshua Swayze and Mercy.) Sarah died 25 May 1880 in Hope, Warren Co. NJ. I haven't found any other children for Absolom and "Elen." ============================================================= MILLER ROBINS born: 06 July 1758 in Oxford twp. married: Unknown died: between 1845-1853; likely in Lawrence Co. Ohio Served in the American Revolution in the company of Capt. Caleb Swayze and filed a detailed pension application. (See the Files section here for a PDF of this application.) Gave residences as: 1758-1818 Oxford Co. NJ 1818-1841 Tompkins Co. NY 1841-1845 or after Lawrence Co. Ohio Children: ELIZABETH ROBINS b. 1784 in NJ; d. 09 May 1871, Lawrence Co. Ohio m. Andrew Sites 28 Oct 1810 in Independence, Sussex Co. NJ by Daniel Vliet, Justice of the Peace ANNA ROBINS b. 1795 in NJ; died likely in Green, Scioto Co. Ohio m. Horace Pierce; date and place unknown; possibly Tompkins Co. NY? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:312 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 07:36:38 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /RobbinsSJ_JAN2006.pdf Uploaded by : tkrobbins1 Description : RobbinsSJ Emails January 2006 Example You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/robbinsfamilysociety/files/RobbinsSJ_JAN2006.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, tkrobbins1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:313 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 07:37:31 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /Robbins Family South Jersey_2005_2010.pdf Uploaded by : tkrobbins1 Description : Robbins SJ Emails - Index Document You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/robbinsfamilysociety/files/Robbins%20Family%20South%20Jersey_2005_2010.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, tkrobbins1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:314 Sender:"tkrobbins1" Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 07:43:23 Subject:Robbins South Jersey Emails Message: All, I've put together the Robbins Family South Jersey emails into portfolios that can be viewed, sorted and searched using Adobe Acrobat. The sample file shows January 2006 emails and the document shows the index. These f iles are very large and can't be uploaded to Yahoo, so if you want a CD-ROM with the complete portfolio send me your mailing information to my Comcast account (tomrobbins@...). No cost to the group. The only restricti on is that their will no commerical use of these portfolios - these documents are for research purposes only. Regards, Tom Robbins 410-939-3152 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:315 Sender:tomRobbins@... Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 07:48:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins South Jersey Emails Message: If you have trouble opening these documents via the web, save them to you computer and then try opening them. I had a problem with the 2006 emails, but was able to save and open. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tkrobbins1" To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:43:23 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins South Jersey Emails  All, I've put together the Robbins Family South Jersey emails into portfolios that can be viewed, sorted and searched using Adobe Acrobat. The sample file shows January 2006 emails and the document shows the index. These fil es are very large and can't be uploaded to Yahoo, so if you want a CD-ROM with the complete portfolio send me your mailing information to my Comcast account ( tomrobbins@comcast.net ). No cost to the group. The only res triction is that their will no commerical use of these portfolios - these documents are for research purposes only. Regards, Tom Robbins 410-939-3152 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:316 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 09:13:50 Subject:Daniel Robins "333 acres"... Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:317 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 10:11:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins "333 acres"... Message: My first thoughts are what were Chamber's sources for reporting the land had belonged to Samuel Johnson? But if he is correct then the land might have escheated back to the proprietors - perhaps Johnson had no heirs, or maybe having made entry for the land he never completed the purchase process. So the tract could be the same 333 acres, but this is just my speculation. Tracey Marcelo wrote: > > I think part of the clue is in the phrase "which had belonged > originally to Samuel Johnson." > If that statement is true, this must be a DIFFERENT 333 acres than the > acreage Daniel Robins received from the Proprietors in 1714. Right? > > Thoughts? Help? > > Tracey > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:318 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 10:28:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins "333 acres"... Message: I agree with John that the tract possibly may be the same 333 acres. John Taylor was very thorough when he did the Hunterdon County deed search for Daniel Robins & he was aware of the "Early Germans in New Jersey" refer ence when he did his search. Perhaps, Theodore F. Chambers in his "Early Germans in New Jersey" was in error as we don't know his source & to this date no deed has been located to support his statement. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins "333 acres"... My first thoughts are what were Chamber's sources for reporting the land had belonged to Samuel Johnson? But if he is correct then the land might have escheated back to the proprietors - perhaps Johnson had no heirs, or maybe having made entry for the land he never completed the purchase process. So the tract could be the same 333 acres, but this is just my speculation. Tracey Marcelo wrote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:319 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 10:31:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins "333 acres"... Message: Tracey, I want to thank you for your research. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracey Marcelo To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:13 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins "333 acres"... Hi everyone, I hope you can help set me straight. We are all familiar with the following deed: Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in H unterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chain s to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed b y John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor From the Hunterdon maps done by this Hunterdon Historical Society (which I've tried to attach here as a PDF) and Google maps today, I believe I've located this property as being in Raritan township near the Second Nes hanic River (to the right) and the Easton Trenton Turnpike, Sergeantsville Flemington Rd, and County Rd 579 to the left. (See: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Second+Neshanic+River,+Raritan,+NJ&hl=en&ll=40.487562,-74.885 817&spn=0.049677,0.12291&sll=40.491292,-74.886898&sspn=0.049674,0.12291&oq=Second+Neshamic+River+NJ&hnear=Second+Neshanic+River&t=m&z=14) But here's where my trouble comes. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." What is THIS 333 acres? And does anyone know of any deeds for it? Its description is for some 30 miles north of the area around the Second Neshanic River. I think part of the clue is in the phrase "which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson." If that statement is true, this must be a DIFFERENT 333 acres than the acreage Daniel Robins received from the Proprietors in 1714. Right? Thoughts? Help? Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:320 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 10:45:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins South Jersey Emails Message: Tom, Thank you so much for doing such a wonderful job with the old group files. It's very generous of you offer the CD-Rom for free to members. However, I'd like to suggest you set a fee to at least cover your shipping & han dling fees. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: tkrobbins1 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins South Jersey Emails All, I've put together the Robbins Family South Jersey emails into portfolios that can be viewed, sorted and searched using Adobe Acrobat. The sample file shows January 2006 emails and the document shows the index. These f iles are very large and can't be uploaded to Yahoo, so if you want a CD-ROM with the complete portfolio send me your mailing information to my Comcast account (tomrobbins@...). No cost to the group. The only restriction is that their will no commerical use of these portfolios - these documents are for research purposes only. Regards, Tom Robbins 410-939-3152 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:321 Sender:tomRobbins@... Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 12:15:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins South Jersey Emails Message:  No need. My contribution to the research efforts. Group paid for my DNA test. It all balances out in the end. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Hoffman" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:45:03 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins South Jersey Emails  Tom, Thank you so much for doing such a wonderful job with the old group files. It's very generous of you offer the CD-Rom for free to members. However, I'd like to suggest you set a fee to at least cover your shipping & ha ndling fees.                                                                              Sara   ----- Original Message ----- From: tkrobbins1 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins South Jersey Emails  All, I've put together the Robbins Family South Jersey emails into portfolios that can be viewed, sorted and searched using Adobe Acrobat. The sample file shows January 2006 emails and the document shows the index. These fil es are very large and can't be uploaded to Yahoo, so if you want a CD-ROM with the complete portfolio send me your mailing information to my Comcast account ( tomrobbins@... ). No cost to the group. The only restriction is that their will no commerical use of these portfolios - these documents are for research purposes only. Regards, Tom Robbins 410-939-3152 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:322 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 12:33:30 Subject:Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Message: Hello all, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5FL-89G Which Daniel is this? I'm just mapping FamilySearch record URLs to individuals in the tree. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:323 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 16:54:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Message: Daniel Robins III son of Daniel Jr. & his first wife Mary Parker was born October 5, 1692 at Woodbridge, NJ. This is recorded in the Woodbridge Vital Records. Also Mary Parker Robins' death on the same day is recorded. Daniel Robins, Jr married as his second wife a woman named Mary whose maiden name is unknown. She was the mother of 12 of his 13 children. I see so many trees on ancestry who confuse these two Marys. I have the Woodbrid ge Vital Records posted on my site. It's interesting to see how some searchers download these records & obviously never read them. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Hello all, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5FL-89G Which Daniel is this? I'm just mapping FamilySearch record URLs to individuals in the tree. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:324 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-04-14 22:08:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Message: Thank you Sara! I've begun mapping all the records FamilySearch has for the surname Robbins in New Jersey. I'm not concerned at this point whether they are directly related, though we know most of the Robbins in New Jersey come from a small set of folks. I think getting as many Robbins on the map as possible will be an interesting study as to where people were concentrated and the subsequent diaspora as we widen the scope of vital events and locales. Anyhow, feel free to take a look here: http://g.co/maps/4x89k Cheers! Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:325 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 07:20:24 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins "333 acres"... Message: Absolutely Sara! It's only through discussions like this that we can all make progress with this Robins bunch! So...I discovered that Chambers made a MAP and it is included in his book. I have extracted it and added it to our files. According to his map, the Flocktown property of "D. Robins" has a date of 1717. (This is 3 years after the warrant of the property that is shown on the Hunterdon (Hammond) map G, which I posted yesterday. I'd say--the plot thickens here. Do we know of 333 acres that Daniel Robins received in 1717? Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Tracey, > > I want to thank you for your research. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tracey Marcelo > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:13 AM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins "333 acres"... > > > > Hi everyone, > > I hope you can help set me straight. > > We are all familiar with the following deed: > > Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins > By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three cha ins to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk > Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor > > From the Hunterdon maps done by this Hunterdon Historical Society (which I've tried to attach here as a PDF) and Google maps today, I believe I've located this property as being in Raritan township near the Second N eshanic River (to the right) and the Easton Trenton Turnpike, Sergeantsville Flemington Rd, and County Rd 579 to the left. (See: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Second+Neshanic+River,+Raritan,+NJ&hl=en&ll=40.487562,-74.8 85817&spn=0.049677,0.12291&sll=40.491292,-74.886898&sspn=0.049674,0.12291&oq=Second+Neshamic+River+NJ&hnear=Second+Neshanic+River&t=m&z=14) > > But here's where my trouble comes. > > From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: > "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." > > What is THIS 333 acres? And does anyone know of any deeds for it? > Its description is for some 30 miles north of the area around the Second Neshanic River. > > I think part of the clue is in the phrase "which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson." > If that statement is true, this must be a DIFFERENT 333 acres than the acreage Daniel Robins received from the Proprietors in 1714. Right? > > Thoughts? Help? > > Tracey > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:326 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 08:11:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins "333 acres"... Message: The solution to your query is within the deed abstract you posted a few days ago. Look at the bottom two lines, "Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk" Land grants were usually a four step process: entry, warrant, survey, and then the grant. The process could take several years depending upon how quickly the would be grantee paid his fees. . marcelofamilytx wrote: >Absolutely Sara! It's only through discussions like this that we can all make progress with this Robins bunch! > >So...I discovered that Chambers made a MAP and it is included in his book. I have extracted it and added it to our files. According to his map, the Flocktown property of "D. Robins" has a date of 1717. (This is 3 years after the warrant of the property that is shown on the Hunterdon (Hammond) map G, which I posted yesterday. > >I'd say--the plot thickens here. >Do we know of 333 acres that Daniel Robins received in 1717? > >Tracey > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > >>Tracey, >> >>I want to thank you for your research. >> Sara >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tracey Marcelo >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:13 AM >> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins "333 acres"... >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I hope you can help set me straight. >> >> We are all familiar with the following deed: >> >> Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins >> By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three cha ins to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk >> Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor >> >> From the Hunterdon maps done by this Hunterdon Historical Society (which I've tried to attach here as a PDF) and Google maps today, I believe I've located this property as being in Raritan township near the Second N eshanic River (to the right) and the Easton Trenton Turnpike, Sergeantsville Flemington Rd, and County Rd 579 to the left. (See: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Second+Neshanic+River,+Raritan,+NJ&hl=en&ll=40.487562,-74.8 85817&spn=0.049677,0.12291&sll=40.491292,-74.886898&sspn=0.049674,0.12291&oq=Second+Neshamic+River+NJ&hnear=Second+Neshanic+River&t=m&z=14) >> >> But here's where my trouble comes. >> >> From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: >> "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." >> >> What is THIS 333 acres? And does anyone know of any deeds for it? >> Its description is for some 30 miles north of the area around the Second Neshanic River. >> >> I think part of the clue is in the phrase "which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson." >> If that statement is true, this must be a DIFFERENT 333 acres than the acreage Daniel Robins received from the Proprietors in 1714. Right? >> >> Thoughts? Help? >> >> Tracey >> >> >> > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:327 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 08:28:33 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins "333 acres"... Message: Hi John, That's a logical conclusion for sure! But...it still leaves a couple things unexplained: -- The 1714 property, surveyed in 1717, and shown on Hammond map G is on the Second Neshanic River. The property in Flocktown is about 30 miles north of that location. -- Chambers states that the property in Flocktown was "originally owned by Samuel Johnson" (That makes it sound as if Samuel Johnson received it from the Proprietors and then Daniel Robins received (purchased?) it from Samuel Johnson in 1717.) I'll keep looking! I'm also curious about the date that the property went to David Zofrin. Chambers' Washington twp map gives a date under David Zofrin's name--but unfortunately I can't make it out... David Sovereen (Zofrin, Sovereign etc) was supposedly born around 1757. He left NJ in 1799 and went to Norfolk Co. Ontario with his father Frederick and other family members. From that I would estimate that David got th e property between 1778 and 1798. Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > The solution to your query is within the deed abstract you posted a few > days ago. Look at the bottom two lines, "Surveyed by John Reading May 13 > 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered > to be recorded John Wills Clerk" > > Land grants were usually a four step process: entry, warrant, survey, > and then the grant. The process could take several years depending upon > how quickly the would be grantee paid his fees. > > . > > > > marcelofamilytx wrote: > > >Absolutely Sara! It's only through discussions like this that we can all make progress with this Robins bunch! > > > >So...I discovered that Chambers made a MAP and it is included in his book. I have extracted it and added it to our files. According to his map, the Flocktown property of "D. Robins" has a date of 1717. (This is 3 yea rs after the warrant of the property that is shown on the Hunterdon (Hammond) map G, which I posted yesterday. > > > >I'd say--the plot thickens here. > >Do we know of 333 acres that Daniel Robins received in 1717? > > > >Tracey > > > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > > > > >>Tracey, > >> > >>I want to thank you for your research. > >> Sara > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Tracey Marcelo > >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:13 AM > >> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins "333 acres"... > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> I hope you can help set me straight. > >> > >> We are all familiar with the following deed: > >> > >> Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins > >> By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three c hains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Survey ed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk > >> Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor > >> > >> From the Hunterdon maps done by this Hunterdon Historical Society (which I've tried to attach here as a PDF) and Google maps today, I believe I've located this property as being in Raritan township near the Second Neshanic River (to the right) and the Easton Trenton Turnpike, Sergeantsville Flemington Rd, and County Rd 579 to the left. (See: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Second+Neshanic+River,+Raritan,+NJ&hl=en&ll=40.487562,-74 .885817&spn=0.049677,0.12291&sll=40.491292,-74.886898&sspn=0.049674,0.12291&oq=Second+Neshamic+River+NJ&hnear=Second+Neshanic+River&t=m&z=14) > >> > >> But here's where my trouble comes. > >> > >> From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: > >> "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." > >> > >> What is THIS 333 acres? And does anyone know of any deeds for it? > >> Its description is for some 30 miles north of the area around the Second Neshanic River. > >> > >> I think part of the clue is in the phrase "which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson." > >> If that statement is true, this must be a DIFFERENT 333 acres than the acreage Daniel Robins received from the Proprietors in 1714. Right? > >> > >> Thoughts? Help? > >> > >> Tracey > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:328 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 08:44:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins "333 acres"... Message: My ignorance of the geography prevents me from offering any help re the location. But have you found Marcy Daurdwart's land? . marcelofamilytx wrote: >Hi John, >That's a logical conclusion for sure! >But...it still leaves a couple things unexplained: > >-- The 1714 property, surveyed in 1717, and shown on Hammond map G is on the Second Neshanic River. The property in Flocktown is about 30 miles north of that location. > >-- Chambers states that the property in Flocktown was "originally owned by Samuel Johnson" >(That makes it sound as if Samuel Johnson received it from the Proprietors and then Daniel Robins received (purchased?) it from Samuel Johnson in 1717.) > >I'll keep looking! > >I'm also curious about the date that the property went to David Zofrin. Chambers' Washington twp map gives a date under David Zofrin's name--but unfortunately I can't make it out... >David Sovereen (Zofrin, Sovereign etc) was supposedly born around 1757. He left NJ in 1799 and went to Norfolk Co. Ontario with his father Frederick and other family members. From that I would estimate that David got t he property between 1778 and 1798. > >Tracey > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > >>The solution to your query is within the deed abstract you posted a few >>days ago. Look at the bottom two lines, "Surveyed by John Reading May 13 >>1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered >>to be recorded John Wills Clerk" >> >>Land grants were usually a four step process: entry, warrant, survey, >>and then the grant. The process could take several years depending upon >>how quickly the would be grantee paid his fees. >> >>. >> >> >> >>marcelofamilytx wrote: >> >> >> >>>Absolutely Sara! It's only through discussions like this that we can all make progress with this Robins bunch! >>> >>>So...I discovered that Chambers made a MAP and it is included in his book. I have extracted it and added it to our files. According to his map, the Flocktown property of "D. Robins" has a date of 1717. (This is 3 yea rs after the warrant of the property that is shown on the Hunterdon (Hammond) map G, which I posted yesterday. >>> >>>I'd say--the plot thickens here. >>>Do we know of 333 acres that Daniel Robins received in 1717? >>> >>>Tracey >>> >>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Tracey, >>>> >>>>I want to thank you for your research. >>>> Sara >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Tracey Marcelo >>>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:13 AM >>>> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins "333 acres"... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I hope you can help set me straight. >>>> >>>> We are all familiar with the following deed: >>>> >>>> Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins >>>> By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River i n Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three ch ains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveye d by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk >>>> Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor >>>> >>>> From the Hunterdon maps done by this Hunterdon Historical Society (which I've tried to attach here as a PDF) and Google maps today, I believe I've located this property as being in Raritan township near the Second Neshanic River (to the right) and the Easton Trenton Turnpike, Sergeantsville Flemington Rd, and County Rd 579 to the left. (See: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Second+Neshanic+River,+Raritan,+NJ&hl=en&ll=40.487562,-74. 885817&spn=0.049677,0.12291&sll=40.491292,-74.886898&sspn=0.049674,0.12291&oq=Second+Neshamic+River+NJ&hnear=Second+Neshanic+River&t=m&z=14) >>>> >>>> But here's where my trouble comes. >>>> >>>> From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: >>>> "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." >>>> >>>> What is THIS 333 acres? And does anyone know of any deeds for it? >>>> Its description is for some 30 miles north of the area around the Second Neshanic River. >>>> >>>> I think part of the clue is in the phrase "which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson." >>>> If that statement is true, this must be a DIFFERENT 333 acres than the acreage Daniel Robins received from the Proprietors in 1714. Right? >>>> >>>> Thoughts? Help? >>>> >>>> Tracey >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------ >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:329 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 09:52:50 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins "333 acres"... Message: I don't have any firsthand knowledge but I have heard several times from various sources that Chambers' book is "full of errors". > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:28 am ((PDT)) > > I agree with John that the tract possibly may be the same 333 acres. > John Taylor was very thorough when he did the Hunterdon County deed > search for Daniel Robins & he was aware of the "Early Germans in New > Jersey" reference when he did his search. Perhaps, Theodore F. Chambers > in his "Early Germans in New Jersey" was in error as we don't know his > source & to this date no deed has been located to support his statement. > Sara > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John German > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins "333 acres"... > > > > My first thoughts are what were Chamber's sources for reporting the > land had belonged to Samuel Johnson? But if he is correct then the land > might have escheated back to the proprietors - perhaps Johnson had no > heirs, or maybe having made entry for the land he never completed the > purchase process. So the tract could be the same 333 acres, but this is > just my speculation. > > > > Tracey Marcelo wrote: -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:330 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 09:54:43 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins "333 acres"... Message: Thanks Marshall. That certainly could be the case here! Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > I don't have any firsthand knowledge but I have heard several times from > various sources that Chambers' book is "full of errors". > > > > > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > > Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:28 am ((PDT)) > > > > I agree with John that the tract possibly may be the same 333 acres. > > John Taylor was very thorough when he did the Hunterdon County deed > > search for Daniel Robins & he was aware of the "Early Germans in New > > Jersey" reference when he did his search. Perhaps, Theodore F. Chambers > > in his "Early Germans in New Jersey" was in error as we don't know his > > source & to this date no deed has been located to support his statement. > > Sara > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John German > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:11 AM > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins "333 acres"... > > > > > > > > My first thoughts are what were Chamber's sources for reporting the > > land had belonged to Samuel Johnson? But if he is correct then the land > > might have escheated back to the proprietors - perhaps Johnson had no > > heirs, or maybe having made entry for the land he never completed the > > purchase process. So the tract could be the same 333 acres, but this is > > just my speculation. > > > > > > > > Tracey Marcelo wrote: > > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:331 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 09:54:45 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Message: I think that's a great idea! > Posted by: "todd.d.robbins@..." todd.d.robbins@... tdamcbigity > Date: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:09 pm ((PDT)) > > Thank you Sara! I've begun mapping all the records FamilySearch has for the > surname Robbins in New Jersey. I'm not concerned at this point whether they > are directly related, though we know most of the Robbins in New Jersey come > from a small set of folks. I think getting as many Robbins on the map as > possible will be an interesting study as to where people were concentrated > and the subsequent diaspora as we widen the scope of vital events and > locales. Anyhow, feel free to take a look here: > > http://g.co/maps/4x89k > > Cheers! > > Tod -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:332 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 13:32:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Message: Your mapping project looks like it will be an interesting & helpful study for Robbins located in NJ. Do you have any idea of the number of Robbins records from Family Search your finished mapping will contain? Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Thank you Sara! I've begun mapping all the records FamilySearch has for the surname Robbins in New Jersey. I'm not concerned at this point whether they are directly related, though we know most of the Robbins in New J ersey come from a small set of folks. I think getting as many Robbins on the map as possible will be an interesting study as to where people were concentrated and the subsequent diaspora as we widen the scope of vital e vents and locales. Anyhow, feel free to take a look here: http://g.co/maps/4x89k Cheers! Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:333 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 13:56:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Message: Sara, 517 records come up for a exact match search on the spelling "Robbins"and 156 for "Robins"in the *New Jersey Deaths and Burials, 1720-1988 * record set. So 673 individuals who died *in *New Jersey during the 1720-1988 range with the surname Robins or Robbins, according to this index. This is only the first phase of my research. I want to find every record of every Robbins who was born, married, living (census, for instance), or died in New Jersey, especially 1600s-1900s. Anyhow, it's going to look really interesting once I gather and map all that data. :-) Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:334 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 15:55:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Mapping Message: Tod, It appears you have a very extensive study under way unless I'm incorrect on the figures. From what I found at Family Search for all records under the surname Robins/Robbins in NJ the figure that came up using a 1600-20 12 time frame was 497,00 to 500,000 + records. I agree it will be an interesting study once all the Robbins data is mapped. I'm looking forward to using this information. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Sara, 517 records come up for a exact match search on the spelling "Robbins" and 156 for "Robins" in the New Jersey Deaths and Burials, 1720-1988 record set. So 673 individuals who died in New Jersey during the 1720-1988 ra nge with the surname Robins or Robbins, according to this index. This is only the first phase of my research. I want to find every record of every Robbins who was born, married, living (census, for instance), or died in New Jersey, especially 1600s-1900s. Anyhow, it's going to look really interesting once I gather and map all that data. :-) Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:335 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 16:29:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Mapping Message: Sara, You're right that it's a very extensive, and perhaps insane, attempt to map so many people. The rough number of people with any event (birth, marriage, death, residence) associated with New Jersey and the surname Robbins is somewhere around 26,000+ on FamilySearch. The 497,000+ number seems to be for the entire database, as far as I can tell. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:336 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-15 18:10:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Mapping Message: Tod, Nothing ventured nothing gained. Go for it. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Mapping Sara, You're right that it's a very extensive, and perhaps insane, attempt to map so many people. The rough number of people with any event (birth, marriage, death, residence) associated with New Jersey and the surname Robb ins is somewhere around 26,000+ on FamilySearch. The 497,000+ number seems to be for the entire database, as far as I can tell. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:337 Sender:BRIAN ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-04-16 16:56:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Message: Hello Tod,  I would certainly be interested in seeing that list, espically any men who were named Aaron Robins, born between 1775-1800.  Brian Robbins ________________________________ From: "todd.d.robbins@gmail.com" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692  Sara, 517 records come up for a exact match search on the spelling "Robbins" and 156 for "Robins" in the New Jersey Deaths and Burials, 1720-1988 record set. So 673 individuals who died in New Jersey during the 1720-1988 rang e with the surname Robins or Robbins, according to this index. This is only the first phase of my research. I want to find every record of every Robbins who was born, married, living (census, for instance), or died in N ew Jersey, especially 1600s-1900s. Anyhow, it's going to look really interesting once I gather and map all that data. :-) Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:338 Sender:"ladyfan3" Post Date/Time:2012-04-16 17:35:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Message: are all your Robbins from NJ thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:339 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-16 18:42:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692 Message: The primary focus of this group is Daniel & Hope Potter Robins & their descendants.The majority of the early Robbins families in NJ are from Daniel & Hope Robins. However, their descendants can be found all over the US A today. Some have been able to connect through DNA. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: ladyfan3 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins, baptized 05 Oct 1692  are all your Robbins from NJ thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:340 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-04-17 08:29:20 Subject:Daniel Robins/Pearce b. abt 1748 NJ Message: I thought the group may be interested in an inquiry that came to me from from Angela Pierce Groenhout regarding Frances ? Robins 2nd wife of Daniel Robins III. Frances remarried John Pearce/Pierce between Feb 12, 1763 & Sept. 14, 1764 when her deposition as adm'r of Daniel's estate reads "Frances Pearce late Frances Robins." The following is a quote from Angela's inquiry: "My ancestor Daniel Pearce, b.1748- died after 1830) I believe he was born closer to 1748 as the 1830 McMinn Co., TN census places him in his 80's. We know through at least two documents that he was born in New Jersey. I have followed the paper trail back to Berkeley Springs, WV (which was VA in the 1700's time period) There were other Pearces in the area, specifically the group that migrated into W. PA and were part of the "Jersey Se ttlement" circa the late 1760's. Our Daniel and some of the other Pearces of this time had sons that married 4 sisters of a Barlett family (Nicholas Barlett). Here is the rub--our Pearce/Pierce DNA does not match any ot her families of the Southern or Northern lines, but,we do match the Robins' DNA 100%. We have at least 9 family members who have tested and they all match the Robins line. I suspect our Daniel Pearce was the son of Dani el and Frances Robins and migrated with the NJ immigrants into W.Pa/N.VA and assumed the name Pearce around this time. If he was a young man surrounded by Pearce relatives via the marriage of his mother it makes sense t hat he would do this. I don't know if there were formal, legal adoptions during these years. I assume that by marriage he would call John Pearce his father. These families continued to migrate together down the Shenando ah into eastern TN and W. North Carolina" I find Angela's Pearce/Robins connection very interesting & quite plausible. If the 1748 birthdate of Daniel Robins aka Pearce is accurate, we know Daniel Robins III's first wife Elizabeth was living in 1748 from the de ed where Daniel & his wife Elizabeth sell land. Possibly Elizabeth was Daniel's mother & not Frances but it's not easy to determine with an approximate birthdate. It appears this discovery opens up a possibilty for addi tional unknown children of Daniel Robins III, maybe females. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:341 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2012-04-17 15:24:02 Subject:John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) Message: Hi, Here are some notes that I made from a book titled: American Migrations 1765-1799: The lives, times, and families of colonial Americans who remained loyal to the British Crown before, during and after the Revolutionary War, as related in their own words and through their correspondence. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2000. Author: Coldham, Peter Wilson. (Available also on Ancestry.com) Page 426 (in the section titled New Jersey): Robins, John. Claim. 1783. for estate valued at L610. (12/109/262) Robins, Richard of Monmouth Co. Memorial affirmed by the claimant, a Quaker, Shelburne, NS, 1783. He was confined for 20 months in Sussex, Philadelphia, and Freehold Gaols. Claim for fines paid; cattle, horses; costs of imprisonment, etc. Evidences: Affirmation 13 December 1783 Shelburne by Anthony Woodward and Abraham Woodward, Quakers, that they known the claimant, whose claim is just. (12/15/364, 63/33; 13/20/23-28). Robins, William of Amwell. Memorials London 1787, Antigua 1790. A native of NJ, he was settled comfortably with his father at Amwell: the rebellion broke out when he was aged 16. Both he and his father have always been loyal and he has lost his patrimony thereby, including lands in VA. His father was wounded in battle and, after languishing a few months, died. The claimant was appoint as a guide to the Army in 1776 and was employed in severall engagements; he was at the siege of Savannah and in June 1780 paid 100 guineas to be appointed Cornet in Tarleton's Regt. of Dragoons. He was captured at York Town in 1781 and marched to Lancaster. At the peac e he was sent to NYC from where he was ordered to NS (Nova Scotia) as Lieut. of the 60th Regt. He began a settlement there but it was totally destroyed when the settlers tried to clear the land by burning it. Because he had not seen his mother for some years, he attempted to return to NJ but was there thereatened with hanging and was punished by being tied to a tree. When he fled to NYC all his papers were stolen: he sailed from there to the WI (West Indies) and then to England where he was pursued by his creditors. Claim for 300 acres in Amwell; 5000 acres in VA (12/17/164, 102/116, 109/260; 13/111/164-180). Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:342 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-17 16:30:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) Message: Tracey, Great information on the Loyalists. Richard Robins of Monmouth Co., a Quaker was the ancestor of John Taylor. The story of Richard Robins is depicted in John's book "Richard Robins, Loyalist". I'm enjoying going over the maps you supplied for Daniel Robins & the 333 acres. Thanks for your very interesting research. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: marcelofamilytx To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:24 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) Hi, Here are some notes that I made from a book titled: American Migrations 1765-1799: The lives, times, and families of colonial Americans who remained loyal to the British Crown before, during and after the Revolutionary War, as related in their own words and through the ir correspondence. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2000. Author: Coldham, Peter Wilson. (Available also on Ancestry.com) Page 426 (in the section titled New Jersey): Robins, John. Claim. 1783. for estate valued at L610. (12/109/262) Robins, Richard of Monmouth Co. Memorial affirmed by the claimant, a Quaker, Shelburne, NS, 1783. He was confined for 20 months in Sussex, Philadelphia, and Freehold Gaols. Claim for fines paid; cattle, horses; costs of imprisonment, etc. Evidences: Affirmation 13 December 1783 Shelburne by Anthony Woodward and Abraham Woodward, Quakers, that they known the claimant, whose claim is just. (12/15/364, 63/33; 13/20/23-28). Robins, William of Amwell. Memorials London 1787, Antigua 1790. A native of NJ, he was settled comfortably with his father at Amwell: the rebellion broke out when he was aged 16. Both he and his father have always bee n loyal and he has lost his patrimony thereby, including lands in VA. His father was wounded in battle and, after languishing a few months, died. The claimant was appoint as a guide to the Army in 1776 and was employed in severall engagements; he was at the siege of Savannah and in June 1780 paid 100 guineas to be appointed Cornet in Tarleton's Regt. of Dragoons. He was captured at York Town in 1781 and marched to Lancaster. At the pe ace he was sent to NYC from where he was ordered to NS (Nova Scotia) as Lieut. of the 60th Regt. He began a settlement there but it was totally destroyed when the settlers tried to clear the land by burning it. Because he had not seen his mother for some years, he attempted to return to NJ but was there thereatened with hanging and was punished by being tied to a tree. When he fled to NYC all his papers were stolen: he sailed from the re to the WI (West Indies) and then to England where he was pursued by his creditors. Claim for 300 acres in Amwell; 5000 acres in VA (12/17/164, 102/116, 109/260; 13/111/164-180). Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:343 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2012-04-17 16:58:50 Subject:Re: John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) Message: Thanks! Yes. I was really intrigued by the writeup here about William Robins. Do we know who his father was? William says his father was a Loyalist of Amwell who was injured in battle and died of his injuries. Wow! I would love to know which line William and his father are from! Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > > Tracey, > Great information on the Loyalists. Richard Robins of Monmouth Co., a Quaker was the ancestor of John Taylor. The story of Richard Robins is depicted in John's book "Richard Robins, Loyalist". > I'm enjoying going over the maps you supplied for Daniel Robins & the 333 acres. > Thanks for your very interesting research. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marcelofamilytx > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:24 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) > > > > Hi, > > Here are some notes that I made from a book titled: > American Migrations 1765-1799: The lives, times, and families of colonial Americans who remained loyal to the British Crown before, during and after the Revolutionary War, as related in their own words and through t heir correspondence. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2000. Author: Coldham, Peter Wilson. > > (Available also on Ancestry.com) > > Page 426 (in the section titled New Jersey): > > Robins, John. Claim. 1783. for estate valued at L610. (12/109/262) > > Robins, Richard of Monmouth Co. Memorial affirmed by the claimant, a Quaker, Shelburne, NS, 1783. He was confined for 20 months in Sussex, Philadelphia, and Freehold Gaols. Claim for fines paid; cattle, horses; cost s of imprisonment, etc. Evidences: Affirmation 13 December 1783 Shelburne by Anthony Woodward and Abraham Woodward, Quakers, that they known the claimant, whose claim is just. (12/15/364, 63/33; 13/20/23-28). > > Robins, William of Amwell. Memorials London 1787, Antigua 1790. A native of NJ, he was settled comfortably with his father at Amwell: the rebellion broke out when he was aged 16. Both he and his father have always b een loyal and he has lost his patrimony thereby, including lands in VA. His father was wounded in battle and, after languishing a few months, died. The claimant was appoint as a guide to the Army in 1776 and was employe d in severall engagements; he was at the siege of Savannah and in June 1780 paid 100 guineas to be appointed Cornet in Tarleton's Regt. of Dragoons. He was captured at York Town in 1781 and marched to Lancaster. At the peace he was sent to NYC from where he was ordered to NS (Nova Scotia) as Lieut. of the 60th Regt. He began a settlement there but it was totally destroyed when the settlers tried to clear the land by burning it. Becaus e he had not seen his mother for some years, he attempted to return to NJ but was there thereatened with hanging and was punished by being tied to a tree. When he fled to NYC all his papers were stolen: he sailed from t here to the WI (West Indies) and then to England where he was pursued by his creditors. Claim for 300 acres in Amwell; 5000 acres in VA (12/17/164, 102/116, 109/260; 13/111/164-180). > > Tracey > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:344 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-17 21:22:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) Message: Tracey, I have no clue regarding the parents of William Robins. It would be a new discovery if William's parents were found. I'd like to know where he spent the rest of his life after he fled to England. He has such an interest ing life story. More likely than not William connects to the Daniel Robins family who settled in Amwell. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: marcelofamilytx To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:58 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) Thanks! Yes. I was really intrigued by the writeup here about William Robins. Do we know who his father was? William says his father was a Loyalist of Amwell who was injured in battle and died of his injuries. Wow! I would love to know which line William and his father are from! Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > > Tracey, > Great information on the Loyalists. Richard Robins of Monmouth Co., a Quaker was the ancestor of John Taylor. The story of Richard Robins is depicted in John's book "Richard Robins, Loyalist". > I'm enjoying going over the maps you supplied for Daniel Robins & the 333 acres. > Thanks for your very interesting research. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marcelofamilytx > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:24 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) > > > > Hi, > > Here are some notes that I made from a book titled: > American Migrations 1765-1799: The lives, times, and families of colonial Americans who remained loyal to the British Crown before, during and after the Revolutionary War, as related in their own words and through t heir correspondence. Baltimore, MD, USA: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2000. Author: Coldham, Peter Wilson. > > (Available also on Ancestry.com) > > Page 426 (in the section titled New Jersey): > > Robins, John. Claim. 1783. for estate valued at L610. (12/109/262) > > Robins, Richard of Monmouth Co. Memorial affirmed by the claimant, a Quaker, Shelburne, NS, 1783. He was confined for 20 months in Sussex, Philadelphia, and Freehold Gaols. Claim for fines paid; cattle, horses; cost s of imprisonment, etc. Evidences: Affirmation 13 December 1783 Shelburne by Anthony Woodward and Abraham Woodward, Quakers, that they known the claimant, whose claim is just. (12/15/364, 63/33; 13/20/23-28). > > Robins, William of Amwell. Memorials London 1787, Antigua 1790. A native of NJ, he was settled comfortably with his father at Amwell: the rebellion broke out when he was aged 16. Both he and his father have always b een loyal and he has lost his patrimony thereby, including lands in VA. His father was wounded in battle and, after languishing a few months, died. The claimant was appoint as a guide to the Army in 1776 and was employe d in severall engagements; he was at the siege of Savannah and in June 1780 paid 100 guineas to be appointed Cornet in Tarleton's Regt. of Dragoons. He was captured at York Town in 1781 and marched to Lancaster. At the peace he was sent to NYC from where he was ordered to NS (Nova Scotia) as Lieut. of the 60th Regt. He began a settlement there but it was totally destroyed when the settlers tried to clear the land by burning it. Becaus e he had not seen his mother for some years, he attempted to return to NJ but was there thereatened with hanging and was punished by being tied to a tree. When he fled to NYC all his papers were stolen: he sailed from t here to the WI (West Indies) and then to England where he was pursued by his creditors. Claim for 300 acres in Amwell; 5000 acres in VA (12/17/164, 102/116, 109/260; 13/111/164-180). > > Tracey > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:345 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2012-04-18 05:20:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) Message: Right. I was also intrigued by his property claim: "300 acres in Amwell; 5000 acres in Virginia"! That's not an amount that is easily overlooked! I wonder if that fact could help any of the Robins researchers looking in Virginia, West Virginia, and Kentucky. Tracey On 4/17/2012 11:22 PM, Sara Hoffman wrote: > > Tracey, > I have no clue regarding the parents of William Robins. It would be a > new discovery if William's parents were found. I'd like to know where > he spent the rest of his life after he fled to England. He has such an > interesting life story. More likely than not William connects to the > Daniel Robins family who settled in Amwell. > Sara > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* marcelofamilytx > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:58 PM > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins > of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) > > Thanks! Yes. I was really intrigued by the writeup here about > William Robins. Do we know who his father was? > William says his father was a Loyalist of Amwell who was injured > in battle and died of his injuries. Wow! > I would love to know which line William and his father are from! > > Tracey > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > , "Sara Hoffman" > wrote: > > > > > > Tracey, > > Great information on the Loyalists. Richard Robins of Monmouth > Co., a Quaker was the ancestor of John Taylor. The story of > Richard Robins is depicted in John's book "Richard Robins, Loyalist". > > I'm enjoying going over the maps you supplied for Daniel Robins > & the 333 acres. > > Thanks for your very interesting research. > > Sara > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: marcelofamilytx > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:24 PM > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins; Richard Robins of > Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Here are some notes that I made from a book titled: > > American Migrations 1765-1799: The lives, times, and families of > colonial Americans who remained loyal to the British Crown before, > during and after the Revolutionary War, as related in their own > words and through their correspondence. Baltimore, MD, USA: > Genealogical Publishing Co., 2000. Author: Coldham, Peter Wilson. > > > > (Available also on Ancestry.com) > > > > Page 426 (in the section titled New Jersey): > > > > Robins, John. Claim. 1783. for estate valued at L610. (12/109/262) > > > > Robins, Richard of Monmouth Co. Memorial affirmed by the > claimant, a Quaker, Shelburne, NS, 1783. He was confined for 20 > months in Sussex, Philadelphia, and Freehold Gaols. Claim for > fines paid; cattle, horses; costs of imprisonment, etc. Evidences: > Affirmation 13 December 1783 Shelburne by Anthony Woodward and > Abraham Woodward, Quakers, that they known the claimant, whose > claim is just. (12/15/364, 63/33; 13/20/23-28). > > > > Robins, William of Amwell. Memorials London 1787, Antigua 1790. > A native of NJ, he was settled comfortably with his father at > Amwell: the rebellion broke out when he was aged 16. Both he and > his father have always been loyal and he has lost his patrimony > thereby, including lands in VA. His father was wounded in battle > and, after languishing a few months, died. The claimant was > appoint as a guide to the Army in 1776 and was employed in > severall engagements; he was at the siege of Savannah and in June > 1780 paid 100 guineas to be appointed Cornet in Tarleton's Regt. > of Dragoons. He was captured at York Town in 1781 and marched to > Lancaster. At the peace he was sent to NYC from where he was > ordered to NS (Nova Scotia) as Lieut. of the 60th Regt. He began a > settlement there but it was totally destroyed when the settlers > tried to clear the land by burning it. Because he had not seen his > mother for some years, he attempted to return to NJ but was there > thereatened with hanging and was punished by being tied to a tree. > When he fled to NYC all his papers were stolen: he sailed from > there to the WI (West Indies) and then to England where he was > pursued by his creditors. Claim for 300 acres in Amwell; 5000 > acres in VA (12/17/164, 102/116, 109/260; 13/111/164-180). > > > > Tracey > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:346 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-18 09:06:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) Message: The fact that William owned land in Virginia leads to what was his connection there. I was looking for the parents of a John Robins from Monmouth Co who settled in Prince William Co., VA. about 1774. John married Mary Hutchinson daughter of Robert Hutchinson of Monmouth Co. John & Mary apparently migrated there with her parents. Do you know the name of the county in Virginia where William owned land? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey Marcelo" To: Cc: "Sara Hoffman" Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) > Right. I was also intrigued by his property claim: "300 acres in Amwell; > 5000 acres in Virginia"! That's not an amount that is easily overlooked! > I wonder if that fact could help any of the Robins researchers looking > in Virginia, West Virginia, and Kentucky. > > Tracey > > On 4/17/2012 11:22 PM, Sara Hoffman wrote: >> >> Tracey, >> I have no clue regarding the parents of William Robins. It would be a >> new discovery if William's parents were found. I'd like to know where >> he spent the rest of his life after he fled to England. He has such an >> interesting life story. More likely than not William connects to the >> Daniel Robins family who settled in Amwell. >> Sara >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* marcelofamilytx >> *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:58 PM >> *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins >> of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) >> >> Thanks! Yes. I was really intrigued by the writeup here about >> William Robins. Do we know who his father was? >> William says his father was a Loyalist of Amwell who was injured >> in battle and died of his injuries. Wow! >> I would love to know which line William and his father are from! >> >> Tracey >> >> --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> , "Sara Hoffman" >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Tracey, >> > Great information on the Loyalists. Richard Robins of Monmouth >> Co., a Quaker was the ancestor of John Taylor. The story of >> Richard Robins is depicted in John's book "Richard Robins, Loyalist". >> > I'm enjoying going over the maps you supplied for Daniel Robins >> & the 333 acres. >> > Thanks for your very interesting research. >> > Sara >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: marcelofamilytx >> > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:24 PM >> > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins; Richard Robins of >> Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > Here are some notes that I made from a book titled: >> > American Migrations 1765-1799: The lives, times, and families of >> colonial Americans who remained loyal to the British Crown before, >> during and after the Revolutionary War, as related in their own >> words and through their correspondence. Baltimore, MD, USA: >> Genealogical Publishing Co., 2000. Author: Coldham, Peter Wilson. >> > >> > (Available also on Ancestry.com) >> > >> > Page 426 (in the section titled New Jersey): >> > >> > Robins, John. Claim. 1783. for estate valued at L610. (12/109/262) >> > >> > Robins, Richard of Monmouth Co. Memorial affirmed by the >> claimant, a Quaker, Shelburne, NS, 1783. He was confined for 20 >> months in Sussex, Philadelphia, and Freehold Gaols. Claim for >> fines paid; cattle, horses; costs of imprisonment, etc. Evidences: >> Affirmation 13 December 1783 Shelburne by Anthony Woodward and >> Abraham Woodward, Quakers, that they known the claimant, whose >> claim is just. (12/15/364, 63/33; 13/20/23-28). >> > >> > Robins, William of Amwell. Memorials London 1787, Antigua 1790. >> A native of NJ, he was settled comfortably with his father at >> Amwell: the rebellion broke out when he was aged 16. Both he and >> his father have always been loyal and he has lost his patrimony >> thereby, including lands in VA. His father was wounded in battle >> and, after languishing a few months, died. The claimant was >> appoint as a guide to the Army in 1776 and was employed in >> severall engagements; he was at the siege of Savannah and in June >> 1780 paid 100 guineas to be appointed Cornet in Tarleton's Regt. >> of Dragoons. He was captured at York Town in 1781 and marched to >> Lancaster. At the peace he was sent to NYC from where he was >> ordered to NS (Nova Scotia) as Lieut. of the 60th Regt. He began a >> settlement there but it was totally destroyed when the settlers >> tried to clear the land by burning it. Because he had not seen his >> mother for some years, he attempted to return to NJ but was there >> thereatened with hanging and was punished by being tied to a tree. >> When he fled to NYC all his papers were stolen: he sailed from >> there to the WI (West Indies) and then to England where he was >> pursued by his creditors. Claim for 300 acres in Amwell; 5000 >> acres in VA (12/17/164, 102/116, 109/260; 13/111/164-180). >> > >> > Tracey >> > >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:347 Sender:"ladyfan3" Post Date/Time:2012-04-18 09:12:09 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) Message: Sara is he related to the Robbins that went from VA to Ky thanks Shirley you know alot of Robbins lived in Ky ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:348 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-18 09:41:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) Message: Shirley, I don't know if John Robins from Monmouth Co to Prince William Co is related to any of the Robins who migrated from VA to KY. However, I suspect John Robins was a Daniel & Hope descendant. If I could locate his parents it may help to find where he belongs on the Robins/Robbins of NJ tree. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "ladyfan3" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) > Sara > is he related to the Robbins that went from VA to Ky > thanks > Shirley > you know alot of Robbins lived in Ky > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:349 Sender: Post Date/Time:2012-04-18 11:17:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins of Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) Message: The writeup in American Migrations didn't give a location in Virginia; it just said "5000 acres Virginia" Tracey ---- Sara Hoffman wrote: > Shirley, > > I don't know if John Robins from Monmouth Co to Prince William Co is related > to any of the Robins who migrated from VA to KY. However, I suspect John > Robins was a Daniel & Hope descendant. If I could locate his parents it may > help to find where he belongs on the Robins/Robbins of NJ tree. > > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ladyfan3" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins; Richard Robins of > Monmouth, William Robins of Amwell (Loyalists) > > > > Sara > > is he related to the Robbins that went from VA to Ky > > thanks > > Shirley > > you know alot of Robbins lived in Ky > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:350 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2012-04-19 10:36:11 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins/Pearce b. abt 1748 NJ Message: That's very interesting Sara! Did Angela say how many markers the family members matched on? > Posted by: "Sara" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:29 am ((PDT)) > > I thought the group may be interested in an inquiry that came to me from > from Angela Pierce Groenhout regarding Frances ? Robins 2nd wife of > Daniel Robins III. Frances remarried John Pearce/Pierce between Feb 12, > 1763 & Sept. 14, 1764 when her deposition as adm'r of Daniel's estate > reads "Frances Pearce late Frances Robins." > > The following is a quote from Angela's inquiry: "My ancestor Daniel > Pearce, b.1748- died after 1830) I believe he was born closer to 1748 as > the 1830 McMinn Co., TN census places him in his 80's. We know through > at least two documents that he was born in New Jersey. I have followed > the paper trail back to Berkeley Springs, WV (which was VA in the 1700's > time period) There were other Pearces in the area, specifically the > group that migrated into W. PA and were part of the "Jersey Settlement" > circa the late 1760's. Our Daniel and some of the other Pearces of this > time had sons that married 4 sisters of a Barlett family (Nicholas > Barlett). Here is the rub--our Pearce/Pierce DNA does not match any > other families of the Southern or Northern lines, but,we do match the > Robins' DNA 100%. We have at least 9 family members who have tested and > they all match the Robins line. I suspect our Daniel Pearce was the son > of Daniel and Frances Robins and migrated with the NJ immigrants into > W.Pa/N.VA and assumed the name Pearce around this t ime. If he was a > young man surrounded by Pearce relatives via the marriage of his mother > it makes sense that he would do this. I don't know if there were formal, > legal adoptions during these years. I assume that by marriage he would > call John Pearce his father. These families continued to migrate > together down the Shenandoah into eastern TN and W. North Carolina" > > I find Angela's Pearce/Robins connection very interesting & quite > plausible. If the 1748 birthdate of Daniel Robins aka Pearce is > accurate, we know Daniel Robins III's first wife Elizabeth was living in > 1748 from the deed where Daniel & his wife Elizabeth sell land. Possibly > Elizabeth was Daniel's mother & not Frances but it's not easy to > determine with an approximate birthdate. It appears this discovery opens > up a possibilty for additional unknown children of Daniel Robins III, > maybe females. > Sara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:351 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-19 12:36:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins/Pearce b. abt 1748 NJ Message: Marshall, I have the DNA results from the Pierce family & will forward it to you & anyone else who is interested. There are 10 Pearce/Pierce who tested & all more than 12 markers. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Marshall Lake To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:36 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins/Pearce b. abt 1748 NJ That's very interesting Sara! Did Angela say how many markers the family members matched on? > Posted by: "Sara" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:29 am ((PDT)) > > I thought the group may be interested in an inquiry that came to me from > from Angela Pierce Groenhout regarding Frances ? Robins 2nd wife of > Daniel Robins III. Frances remarried John Pearce/Pierce between Feb 12, > 1763 & Sept. 14, 1764 when her deposition as adm'r of Daniel's estate > reads "Frances Pearce late Frances Robins." > > The following is a quote from Angela's inquiry: "My ancestor Daniel > Pearce, b.1748- died after 1830) I believe he was born closer to 1748 as > the 1830 McMinn Co., TN census places him in his 80's. We know through > at least two documents that he was born in New Jersey. I have followed > the paper trail back to Berkeley Springs, WV (which was VA in the 1700's > time period) There were other Pearces in the area, specifically the > group that migrated into W. PA and were part of the "Jersey Settlement" > circa the late 1760's. Our Daniel and some of the other Pearces of this > time had sons that married 4 sisters of a Barlett family (Nicholas > Barlett). Here is the rub--our Pearce/Pierce DNA does not match any > other families of the Southern or Northern lines, but,we do match the > Robins' DNA 100%. We have at least 9 family members who have tested and > they all match the Robins line. I suspect our Daniel Pearce was the son > of Daniel and Frances Robins and migrated with the NJ immigrants into > W.Pa/N.VA and assumed the name Pearce around this t ime. If he was a > young man surrounded by Pearce relatives via the marriage of his mother > it makes sense that he would do this. I don't know if there were formal, > legal adoptions during these years. I assume that by marriage he would > call John Pearce his father. These families continued to migrate > together down the Shenandoah into eastern TN and W. North Carolina" > > I find Angela's Pearce/Robins connection very interesting & quite > plausible. If the 1748 birthdate of Daniel Robins aka Pearce is > accurate, we know Daniel Robins III's first wife Elizabeth was living in > 1748 from the deed where Daniel & his wife Elizabeth sell land. Possibly > Elizabeth was Daniel's mother & not Frances but it's not easy to > determine with an approximate birthdate. It appears this discovery opens > up a possibilty for additional unknown children of Daniel Robins III, > maybe females. > Sara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:352 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2012-04-20 19:24:13 Subject:Robins in 1754 Newton, Sussex Co. Court Record Message: Several Robins presented "evidence for the King" in the case of The King vs. Charles McConnell. Below is a transcript (I also have a photocopy of the original. Send me a message if you'd like a PDF copy or if you guys would like me to put it in our files here...) From: NJ State Archives, Sussex Co. Court of Common Pleas, Indictments Box 1, 1754-1778 Sussex May Session 1754 The King vs Charles McConnell The Defendt Being Charged with this Indictment pleads Not Guilty ? Harrell file May 30th 1754 Russell, Clerk(?) ? Billa Vora ? William Scholey? Foreman Evidence for the King: Elisha Robins's wife Joshua Robins Elis. Robins's daughter Joshua Robins Jun. Perkins (?) Lovell Richd. Slough Elisha Coller Eliz. Hadly (?) Hazen Province of New Jersey County of Sussex The Grand Inquest for our Sovereign Lord King for the Body of the County of Sussex Being (then and then) Duly Charged Sworn and Affirmed upon the Respective Oath and Affirmation of at least twelve honorable and Lawfull men of the said County, Do present That Charles McConnell late of New Town in the County of Sussex aforesaid yeoman Being a person of a Turbulant, Malitious, and Malevolent Principal and Disposition and Designing Contr iving and and Jonathan Smalley to prejudice and Injure the fifth day of April in the Twenty Seventh year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord George the Second by the Grace of God of Great Britain France and Ireland K ing Defender of the faith. At New Town aforesaid in the County of Sussex aforesaid and within the jurisdiction of this Court a Certain Roan Coloured Mare the property of the aforesaid Jonathan Smalley (then and there) with a certain knife or some other sharp weapon, did unlawfully wickedly and maliciously (in the Belly of the said Mare) Stab, Cutt and wound, By which said to the great damage of the said Jonathan Smalley and most purnatious [pernicious?] Example of all others in such case Delinquent and against the peace of our said Sovereign Lord the King that nowis his Crown and Dignity. Harrell, AS Genl. Also related to this record, I found on another researcher's site a mention of "an old volume at Newton" that contains "At a court of General Sessions of the Peace held at Hardwick, County of Sussex, on the Third Tuesd ay in February in the year of our Lord one Thousand seven hundred and fifty five and in the Twenty eighth year of his Majesty's Reign--The King vs. Charles McConnell--Indictment for misdemeanor. The attorney general op ened the cause--and the following Evidences pro Rege--Mary Robins, Jane Robins, Joshua Robins, Saml. Hazen, Thomas Wolverton." I have not been able to locate this "old volume" of Sussex Co. records; but I mention it here because it identifies the two female Robins who provided evidence as being Mary Robins and Jane Robins. From the record I tra nscribed, one is the wife of Elisha Robins and one is the daughter. I'm quite excited to have found this record. It seems to indicate that there was a "Joshua Robins" and a "Joshua Robins, Jun." present in Newton in 1754 and they were with Elisha's wife and daughter. More hints at a connection there! Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:353 Sender:"Peggy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2012-04-21 12:12:53 Subject:Re: Robins in 1754 Newton, Sussex Co. Court Record Message: Tracey, Forgive my ignorance. I haven't been paying much attention to the posts, and have not been working too hard on the Robbins lately, but your court record caught my eye. I would love to have a copy. I'm not sure what kind of connection you are trying to make, but I went to the archives in NJ last year and got all of the land records for Robbins in Sussex and Warren that I could find that related to Blairstown or Knowlton, as well as a few other court documents/wills. I only had one day so I didn't get to look at everything I wanted to. I have Cornelius and Daniel Robins will/probate, 1780 and 1802 respectively. Sara Robins, adm. Of Andrew Robins, 1777 (signed by Daniel Robins). Elisha Robins, adm. Of Elisha, Jr., 1763. I haven't transcribed them, but if you're trying to connect to any of these people, I'd be glad to post what you need, if I have it. My husband's family was in Knowlton, Blairstown, or Phillipsburg for over 200 years, so if you have any records that would help me, I'd love to have them, and to swap info. Peggy Robbins Never try to teach a pig to sing....it wastes your time and annoys the pig! - Robert Heinlein ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:354 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2012-04-21 12:26:17 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robins in 1754 Newton, Sussex Co. Court Record Message: That would be excellent, Peggy! I'm sure many members here would love to share in whatever information you have. I'm following a Joshua Robbins who shows up in Sussex Co. records beginning with this court record--through about 1791. We believe he is the same Joshua Robbins who went to Canada by 1794. Ultimately, I (and a few other researchers here) are trying to locate: Joshua Robbins who married Mary Blachly Daniel Robbins who married Sarah Blachly The Blachlys were sisters from Morris Co. Supposedly the Robbins were brothers. We know very little. So every record we find any of them in is exciting to us. :-) I've scanned and posted many of the records I've found at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/ I've put this "King vs. McConnell" PDF there too: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/KingVsMcConnell1754.pdf Tracey On 4/21/2012 2:12 PM, Peggy Robbins wrote: > > Tracey, > > Forgive my ignorance. I haven�t been paying much attention to the > posts, and have not been working too hard on the Robbins lately, but > your court record caught my eye. I would love to have a copy. > > I�m not sure what kind of connection you are trying to make, but I > went to the archives in NJ last year and got all of the land records > for Robbins in Sussex and Warren that I could find that related to > Blairstown or Knowlton, as well as a few other court documents/wills. > I only had one day so I didn�t get to look at everything I wanted to. > I have Cornelius and Daniel Robins will/probate, 1780 and 1802 > respectively. Sara Robins, adm. Of Andrew Robins, 1777 (signed by > Daniel Robins). Elisha Robins, adm. Of Elisha, Jr., 1763. I haven�t > transcribed them, but if you�re trying to connect to any of these > people, I�d be glad to post what you need, if I have it. > > My husband�s family was in Knowlton, Blairstown, or Phillipsburg for > over 200 years, so if you have any records that would help me, I�d > love to have them, and to swap info. > > ** > > Peggy Robbins > > Never try to teach a pig to sing....it wastes your time and annoys the > pig! - Robert Heinlein > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:355 Sender:"ladyfan3" Post Date/Time:2012-04-21 13:31:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: there were 2 Joshua Robbins in Ky with Daniel Robbins Sr and Daniel Robbins Jr one Joshua was married to Mary Brown these are mine Shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:356 Sender:"ladyfan3" Post Date/Time:2012-04-21 13:34:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins in 1754 Newton, Sussex Co. Court Record Message: please send me PDF copy thank you ladyfan3@... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:357 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2012-04-21 13:36:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins in 1754 Newton, Sussex Co. Court Record Message: Hi Shirley, You can get it here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/KingVsMcConnell1754.pdf Tracey On 4/21/2012 3:34 PM, ladyfan3 wrote: > > please send me PDF copy thank you > ladyfan3@... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:358 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-04-21 14:46:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins in 1754 Newton, Sussex Co. Court Record Message: Tracey, Thanks for providing the document. I suppose we will never know but I'm still curious as to why Mr. McConnell stabbed, cut & wounded Mr Smalley's mare? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey Marcelo" To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins in 1754 Newton, Sussex Co. Court Record > Hi Shirley, > You can get it here: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/KingVsMcConnell1754.pdf > > Tracey > > On 4/21/2012 3:34 PM, ladyfan3 wrote: >> >> please send me PDF copy thank you >> ladyfan3@... >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:359 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-04-22 14:53:00 Subject:Re: Robins in 1754 Newton, Sussex Co. Court Record Message: Peggy, has your husband gotten the DNA test at all? My family line comes from the 1802 Daniel will people. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Robbins" wrote: > > > > Tracey, > > Forgive my ignorance. I haven't been paying much attention to the posts, > and have not been working too hard on the Robbins lately, but your court > record caught my eye. I would love to have a copy. > > > > I'm not sure what kind of connection you are trying to make, but I went to > the archives in NJ last year and got all of the land records for Robbins in > Sussex and Warren that I could find that related to Blairstown or Knowlton, > as well as a few other court documents/wills. I only had one day so I > didn't get to look at everything I wanted to. I have Cornelius and Daniel > Robins will/probate, 1780 and 1802 respectively. Sara Robins, adm. Of > Andrew Robins, 1777 (signed by Daniel Robins). Elisha Robins, adm. Of > Elisha, Jr., 1763. I haven't transcribed them, but if you're trying to > connect to any of these people, I'd be glad to post what you need, if I have > it. > > > > My husband's family was in Knowlton, Blairstown, or Phillipsburg for over > 200 years, so if you have any records that would help me, I'd love to have > them, and to swap info. > > > > > > Peggy Robbins > > > > Never try to teach a pig to sing....it wastes your time and annoys the pig! > - Robert Heinlein > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:360 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-04-29 13:06:38 Subject:Question regarding Ye Olde Robbins Burial Place Message: Does anyone in the group possess a full list/spreadsheet of all documented burials? I'd like to get that up online in an easy to process format, or digitize it if it's only in photocopy/handwritten format. Cheers, Tod -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:361 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-04-29 13:31:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Question regarding Ye Olde Robbins Burial Place Message: Tod,  Don't know how complete it is but there is a 9 page list on USGenWeb. You can find it if you type in Ye Olde Robins Burial Place on your search engine.  Chris Robbins ________________________________ From: "todd.d.robbins@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:06 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Question regarding Ye Olde Robbins Burial Place  Does anyone in the group possess a full list/spreadsheet of all documented burials? I'd like to get that up online in an easy to process format, or digitize it if it's only in photocopy/handwritten format. Cheers, Tod -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:362 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-04-29 13:44:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Question regarding Ye Olde Robbins Burial Place Message: Fabulous! Thanks for the start Chris. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:363 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-05-01 18:36:23 Subject:Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: I know this has probably been fielded recently, but what are our sources for Daniel being born in 1627? I'm cleaning up some information on my line and I just had a moment to stop and think about that. Thanks in advance! Tod -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:364 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-01 18:56:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Tod, John Robbins Bible record states Daniel died at 4 score & 7 years. The Elijah Robins Bible record states Daniel died 4 score & upwards. Since he died in 1714 his birth year would be 1627. Both of the Bible records can b e used as sources. These Bible records are available on line at my ancestry site & were published in the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:36 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth I know this has probably been fielded recently, but what are our sources for Daniel being born in 1627? I'm cleaning up some information on my line and I just had a moment to stop and think about that. Thanks in advance! Tod -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:365 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-05-01 23:07:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Thanks Sara! Kind of offhand but do you or others know when/if a branch of the Robbins moved to Massachusetts? I've seen some names/families popping up in the early 1800s that seem like they could tie into the Daniel/Hope line. Cheers! Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:366 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 07:13:17 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Tod, don't know of any group of Daniel Robins descendants that migrated from NJ to MA. You may come across similar names but no relationship. Actually Daniel was never a Robins or Robbins. The earliest name for him is Robin son & variations of that name. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Thanks Sara! Kind of offhand but do you or others know when/if a branch of the Robbins moved to Massachusetts? I've seen some names/families popping up in the early 1800s that seem like they could tie into the Daniel/ Hope line. Cheers! Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:367 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 10:53:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Ah. Got it. Thanks for that clarification. So the Robins-then-Robbins surname was first carried by his children? Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:368 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 10:58:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Uh...what about his will? todd.d.robbins@... wrote: > > > Ah. Got it. Thanks for that clarification. So the Robins-then-Robbins > surname was first carried by his children? > > Tod > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:369 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 11:13:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Agree with John. I don't have the info in front of me, but I think his name was changed to Robins (clerk's error?) when the family removed to Woodbridge, NJ.  Chris ________________________________ From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth  Uh...what about his will? todd.d.robbins@... wrote: Ah. Got it. Thanks for that clarification. So the Robins-then-Robbins surname was first carried by his children? > > >Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:370 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 12:28:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Daniel's name after he migrated to NJ appears as Robinds on the Woodbridge Vital Records & other New Jersey documents show Daniel & his children used the name Robins. It has also been spelled Robens, Robbens & maybe oth er variations. but never Robinson in NJ. We did a study of the New Haven Records regarding the spelling of Daniel's surname found on New Haven Records & extracted copies of the original documents showing he used the nam e Robison, Robinson, Robbinson. These records were published in the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book & I have some of them on my ancestry site. Daniel Robins never signed his name, he used "his X mark". Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Ah. Got it. Thanks for that clarification. So the Robins-then-Robbins surname was first carried by his children? Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:371 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 12:35:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: We don't know why Daniel's name changed after he moved to New Jersey. Possibly a clerk's error, this is the most plausible reason but I have some doubt. This is just my personal opinion that there was another reason or reasons. I have some theories but no actual proof. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: C ROBBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Agree with John. I don't have the info in front of me, but I think his name was changed to Robins (clerk's error?) when the family removed to Woodbridge, NJ. Chris From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Uh...what about his will? todd.d.robbins@... wrote: Ah. Got it. Thanks for that clarification. So the Robins-then-Robbins surname was first carried by his children? Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:372 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 12:59:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: I don't think clerical error explains the name change from Robinson to Robins - although the spelling often varied, the clerks wrote what they heard. Thus I think Daniel himself dropped the "son" from his name. Why is a mystery. Sara Hoffman wrote: > > > We don't know why Daniel's name changed after he moved to New > Jersey. Possibly a clerk's error, this is the most plausible > reason but I have some doubt. This is just my personal opinion that > there was another reason or reasons. I have some theories but no > actual proof. > > Sara > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C ROBBINS > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > > > Agree with John. I don't have the info in front of me, but I > think his name was changed to Robins (clerk's error?) when the > family removed to Woodbridge, NJ. > > Chris > > From: John German > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > > Uh...what about his will? > > > todd.d.robbins@... wrote: > >> Ah. Got it. Thanks for that clarification. So the >> Robins-then-Robbins surname was first carried by his children? >> >> Tod > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:373 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 16:23:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Robinds looks Dutch. The Dutch occupied much of New Jersey. Then, again, DR would might of had a heavy accent that sounded like Robinds to whomever he was reciting his name. I know that the Americans at Niagara Falls in sisted on changing my grandfather's name from Robins to Robbins when he emigrated to the US in 1918 or so. In event, it appears that he was illiterate and had no notion of how is name was spelled. ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2012, 15:35:44 Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth   We don't know why Daniel's name changed after he moved to New Jersey. Possibly a clerk's error, this is the most plausible reason but I have some doubt. This is just my personal opinion that there was another reason or reasons. I have some theories but no actual proof.                                                                                        Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: C ROBBINS >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:13 AM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > >Agree with John. I don't have the info in front of me, but I think his name was changed to Robins (clerk's error?) when the family removed to Woodbridge, NJ. > >Chris > > >From: John German >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:58 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > > >Uh...what about his will? > > >todd.d.robbins@... wrote: >Ah. Got it. Thanks for that clarification. So the Robins-then-Robbins surname was first carried by his children? >> >> >>Tod > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:374 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 19:44:31 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: People insist on changing my last name to Robinson whenever I let the guard down. I have to spell it most days. And my wife's children at school all call her Mrs. Robinson as well... coo coo ki choo. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Dale Robbins wrote: > > Robinds looks Dutch. The Dutch occupied much of New Jersey. Then, again, DR would might of had a heavy accent that sounded like Robinds to whomever he was reciting his name. I know that the Americans at Niagara Falls insisted on changing my grandfather's name from Robins to Robbins when he emigrated to the US in 1918 or so. In event, it appears that he was illiterate and had no notion of how is name was spelled. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sara Hoffman > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2012, 15:35:44 > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > >  >  > We don't know why Daniel's name changed after he moved to > New Jersey. Possibly a clerk's error, this is the most plausible > reason but I have some doubt. This is just my personal opinion that there > was another reason or reasons. I have some theories but no actual > proof. >                                                                                       >  Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: C ROBBINS > >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:13 AM > >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > > > > >Agree with John. I don't have the info in front of me, but I think his name was changed to Robins (clerk's error?) when the family removed to Woodbridge, NJ. > > > >Chris > > > > > >From: John German > >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:58 PM > >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > > > > > > >Uh...what about his will? > > > > > >todd.d.robbins@... wrote: > >Ah. Got it. Thanks for that clarification. So the Robins-then-Robbins surname was first carried by his children? > >> > >> > >>Tod > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:375 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 20:12:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Rick, It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:376 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 20:40:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off the table. todd.d.robbins@... wrote: > > > Rick, > > It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would > have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... > > Tod > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:377 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-05-02 20:41:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Rick, This is like deja vu; my dad was a school teacher and a lot of kids called him Mr. Robison.  I too habitually have to spell for people, two b's or not two b's that is the question. Mary ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 10:44 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth  People insist on changing my last name to Robinson whenever I let the guard down. I have to spell it most days. And my wife's children at school all call her Mrs. Robinson as well... coo coo ki choo. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Dale Robbins wrote: > > Robinds looks Dutch. The Dutch occupied much of New Jersey. Then, again, DR would might of had a heavy accent that sounded like Robinds to whomever he was reciting his name. I know that the Americans at Niagara Falls insisted on changing my grandfather's name from Robins to Robbins when he emigrated to the US in 1918 or so. In event, it appears that he was illiterate and had no notion of how is name was spelled. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sara Hoffman > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2012, 15:35:44 > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > > à>  > We don't know why Daniel's name changed after he moved to > New Jersey.àPossibly a clerk's error, this is the most plausible > reasonàbut I have some doubt. This is just my personal opinion that there > was another reason or reasons.àI have some theories but no actual > proof. > àààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààààà> àSara > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: C ROBBINS > >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:13 AM > >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > > >à> >Agree with John.àI don't have the info in front of me, but I think his name was changed to Robins (clerk's error?) when the family removed to Woodbridge, NJ. > >à> >Chris > > > > > >From: John German > >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:58 PM > >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > > > > >à> >Uh...what about his will? > > > > > >todd.d.robbins@... wrote: > >Ah. Got it. Thanks for that clarification. So the Robins-then-Robbins surname was first carried by his children? > >> > >> > >>Tod > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:378 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-03 07:47:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: I agree that a time machine would help because there is so much we don't know about Daniel Robinson/Robins. All we know about is his life in America but what was Daniel's life like before he came to America? Did he hav e a wife & children? I did some research on this subject a few years ago. This is somewhat off the subject but since we are discussing names & the Robins/Robbins family, I'd like to mention that we often over look the female lines connected to the family. I've never found anyone who can provi de a source or clue & nothing from my own research has led me to conclude or even suspect that the following women had these maiden names. However, they are frequently used on many family trees. 1. Frances wife of William Potter was a Child? 2. Mary mother of Daniel Robins 1627-1714 was a Wells/Welles or possibly a Wells? 3. Mary wife of Richard Robbins, Jr. 1697-1755 was a Holmes? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off the table. todd.d.robbins@... wrote: Rick, It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:379 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-05-03 10:43:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Ooh, interesting points Sara. More investigation is needed. Also, while digging around about the context of Daniel's move to New Jersey I came across this helpful article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_colonization_of_the_Americas#East_New_Jersey_.281683.29 The Charles II/Scots governor aspect (who happened to be a Quaker) is really revealing about the attractiveness of relocation to New Jersey. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:380 Sender:"Bettylou Steadman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-03 11:34:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: I wonder if Frances, wife of Willilam Potter, was related to Julia Child? (Just kidding!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 5/3/2012 7:47:18 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth I agree that a time machine would help because there is so much we don't know about Daniel Robinson/Robins. All we know about is his life in America but what was Daniel's life like before he came to America? Did he hav e a wife & children? I did some research on this subject a few years ago. This is somewhat off the subject but since we are discussing names & the Robins/Robbins family, I'd like to mention that we often over look the female lines connected to the family. I've never found anyone who can provi de a source or clue & nothing from my own research has led me to conclude or even suspect that the following women had these maiden names. However, they are frequently used on many family trees. 1. Frances wife of William Potter was a Child? 2. Mary mother of Daniel Robins 1627-1714 was a Wells/Welles or possibly a Wells? 3. Mary wife of Richard Robbins, Jr. 1697-1755 was a Holmes? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off the table. todd.d.robbins@... wrote: Rick, It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:381 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-03 12:03:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: Tod, Regarding the wikipedia article that contains the paragraph on East New Jersey (1683 ) & the reference to Scots. Please note that Daniel Robinson/ Robins was living in New Jersey by 1668 when the birth of his daughter L ydia Robins was recorded at Woodbridge. I thought possibly these sources may be helpful to your research. "Scottish Emigration to Colonial America 1607-1785" & "Scots in New England 1625-1875" by Dr. David Dobson. The following is from Dr Dobson's introductio n to his book "Scots in New England 1625-1875" published in 2002. "Scottish emigration to New England was rather a small scale intermittent phenomenon compared to the movement from Scotland to the Carolinas or to Canada. The reason for this may be in the fact that by the time the larg e scale emigration occurred, opportunities for settlement were greater elsewhere in colonial America than in New England. Nevertheless, from virtually the earliest period in the history of New England there have been Sc ots, albiet small in number, settled there. Probably the only time that significant numbers of Scots settled in New England was in 1650-1651 when Oliver Cromwell despatched hundreds of Scots prisoners of war, captured a fter the battles of Dunbar and Worcester, into exile, or in the period immediately before the outbreak of the America Revolution when the Scots American Company of Farmers established a settlement in Vermont." Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Ooh, interesting points Sara. More investigation is needed. Also, while digging around about the context of Daniel's move to New Jersey I came across this helpful article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S cottish_colonization_of_the_Americas#East_New_Jersey_.281683.29 The Charles II/Scots governor aspect (who happened to be a Quaker) is really revealing about the attractiveness of relocation to New Jersey. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:382 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-05-03 12:08:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: Fabulous! Thanks for the reminder about David's books. Did I mention that when I went to Scotland in 2007 that David and I met and chatted for lunch in St. Andrews? Ha! Small world. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:383 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-03 12:39:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: You are welcome. I find all of Dr. Dobson's works to be excellent sources. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Fabulous! Thanks for the reminder about David's books. Did I mention that when I went to Scotland in 2007 that David and I met and chatted for lunch in St. Andrews? Ha! Small world. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:384 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-03 12:43:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: Bettylou, Maybe Julia's award winning recipes were passed down to her from Frances. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Bettylou Steadman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth I wonder if Frances, wife of Willilam Potter, was related to Julia Child? (Just kidding!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 5/3/2012 7:47:18 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth I agree that a time machine would help because there is so much we don't know about Daniel Robinson/Robins. All we know about is his life in America but what was Daniel's life like before he came to America? Did he have a wife & children? I did some research on this subject a few years ago. This is somewhat off the subject but since we are discussing names & the Robins/Robbins family, I'd like to mention that we often over look the female lines connected to the family. I've never found anyone who can p rovide a source or clue & nothing from my own research has led me to conclude or even suspect that the following women had these maiden names. However, they are frequently used on many family trees. 1. Frances wife of William Potter was a Child? 2. Mary mother of Daniel Robins 1627-1714 was a Wells/Welles or possibly a Wells? 3. Mary wife of Richard Robbins, Jr. 1697-1755 was a Holmes? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Rob ins - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off the table. todd.d.robbins@... wrote: Rick, It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:385 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-05-03 13:23:38 Subject:Before the English, the Dutch. Message: Jump to: navigation, search New Netherland Nieuw-Nederland Dutch colony 1614â1667 â  â Flag Seal The coastline claimed by New Netherland and some settlements shown relative to modern borders Capital New Amsterdam Language(s) Dutch, English, French, and others [1][2] Political structure Colony History  - Established 1614  - Disestablished 1667 Map of Henry Hudson's voyages to North America Map based on Adriaen Block's 1614 expedition to New Netherland, featuring the first use of the name New Netherland, or Nieuw-Nederland in Dutch, was the 17th-century colonial province of the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands on the East Coast of North America. The claimed territories were the lands from the Del marva Peninsula to extreme southwestern Cape Cod. The settled areas are now part of the Mid-Atlantic States of New York, New Jersey, Delaware, and Connecticut, with small outposts in Pennsylvania and Rhode Island. The p rovincial capital, New Amsterdam, was located at the southern tip of the island of Manhattan on upper New York Bay.The colony was conceived as a private business venture to exploit the North American fur trade. During i ts first decades, New Netherland was settled rather slowly, partially as a result of policy mismanagement by the Dutch West India Company (WIC), and conflicts with Native Americans. The settlements of New Sweden develop ed on its southern flank and its northern border was re-drawn in recognition of early New England expansion. During the 1650s, the colony experienced dramatic growth and became a major port for trade in the North Atlantic. The surrender of Fort Amsterdam to English control in 1664 was formalized in 1667, co ntributing to the Second AngloâDutch War. In 1673 the Dutch re-took the area, but later relinquished it under the 1674 Treaty of Westminster ending the Third Anglo-Du ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:386 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 07:00:01 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth Message: I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the FTDNA site . Here's my "theory" as to the name. Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about > accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel > could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins > - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off > the table. > > todd.d.robbins@... wrote: > > > > > > > Rick, > > > > It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would > > have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... > > > > Tod > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:387 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 08:44:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? However it came ab out Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't tested or Daniel used the clan nam e of Robertson/Robinson & was not biological related but for some reason associated with this group & therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be new discoveries in the future. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the FTDNA sit e. Here's my "theory" as to the name. Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about > accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel > could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins > - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off > the table. > > todd.d.robbins@... wrote: > > > > > > > Rick, > > > > It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would > > have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... > > > > Tod > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:388 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 09:16:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: Ah! Found it: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Robins/ Group #1, 21 matches; very interesting. -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:389 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 09:10:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: Sara, What kind of candidate do we need for more conclusive DNA results? I'm curious about the number of people who have had that analysis done already. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:390 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 10:00:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: It sure would be great to get all of the participants to upgrade to the most markers they can possibly afford. I've been involved with the DNA group for another surname (using the DNA of a male cousin) for a long time. One thing we all learned early on was that 12 out of 12 matches is very misleading. It can quickly break down and become irrelevant when you test more markers. In other words, several of us had a 12/12 match but when we tested 37 markers or 67 markers--it became clear that our likelihood of finding a common ancestor was next to impossible and that we really didn't match like we thought we did! (I guess this is my "soapbox" speech that DNA tests for 12 markers are pointless for genealogical research!) In any case, my message is: Get more markers tested, folks! :-) Tracey On 5/4/2012 11:16 AM, todd.d.robbins@... wrote:  Ah! Found it: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Robins/ Group #1, 21 matches; very interesting. -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:391 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 10:04:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: I have done the 111. ________________________________ From: "todd.d.robbins@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012, 12:10:35 Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627)  Sara, What kind of candidate do we need for more conclusive DNA results? I'm curious about the number of people who have had that analysis done already. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:392 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 10:11:52 Subject:My 111 match Message: Contact Information Name David Robbins E-mail junenash@... Haplogroups Y-DNA R1b1a2 Shorthand R-M269 mtDNA N/A Surnames * Faust [OH], * Maple [Ohio], * Maple [New Jersey], * Maple [PA], * McClain [OH], * McClane [OH] Most Distant Ancestor Paternal William Robins, 1761 - 1837, of NJ, PA & OH Maternal Elizabeth Laughead ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:393 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 10:41:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: Any male with the Robins or Robbins surname can test. I think I saw where FTDNA has special rates right now. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Sara, What kind of candidate do we need for more conclusive DNA results? I'm curious about the number of people who have had that analysis done already. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:394 Sender:"ladyfan3" Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 10:44:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: to bad you just missed the upgrades for the DNA for Robbins they were a nice price they may have another one soon I hope I put it on the Robbinsrootsweb email so all the Robbins would know about the upgrades and the sal e shirley Robbins DNA project admin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:395 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 10:51:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: I'd be interested in doing the most comprehensive test since I'm a male descendant of Aaron (Daniel's son) through his son Samuel. Although, at this point I'm a grad student in debt, so I'll start saving. ;-) Also, there seems to be quite a bit of data on the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation about our Scottish Robbins line. Info is only viewable with a free account registration though. :-| Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:396 Sender:BRIAN ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 12:36:49 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: Tod,  How far have you followed forward in time your Aaron Robins' line?  Regards,  Brian Robbins From: "todd.d.robbins@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627)  I'd be interested in doing the most comprehensive test since I'm a male descendant of Aaron (Daniel's son) through his son Samuel. Although, at this point I'm a grad student in debt, so I'll start saving. ;-) Also, there seems to be quite a bit of data on the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation about our Scottish Robbins line. Info is only viewable with a free account registration though. :-| Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:397 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 13:11:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: I'll also point out that we have no matching DNA from Robins/Robbins in the UK either. DNA has a sampling problem; we have been using it for 10 years and the British still have not embraced it. Sara Hoffman wrote: > > > The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is > unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or > did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? > However it came about Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name > change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson > DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't > tested or Daniel used the clan name of Robertson/Robinson & was not > biological related but for some reason associated with this group & > therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be > new discoveries in the future. > > Sara > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > > > > I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a > name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be > DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at > least in the FTDNA site. > > Here's my "theory" as to the name. > > Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, > answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that > sounds. LOL > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > , John German > wrote: > > > > Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the > point about > > accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that > Daniel > > could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to > Robins > > - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name > change off > > the table. > > > > todd.d.robbins@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Rick, > > > > > > It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson > would > > > have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... > > > > > > Tod > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:398 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 13:46:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] My 111 match Message: You only have the easily predicted upper level haplogroup prediction. Sample 37486 has actually been SNP tested and has another level R-L23 and is negative for the lower levels. This corresponds to an old system known as ht35 which is associated with southeast Europe - which leads to speculation that Daniel's ancient ancestor was Roman auxiliary - again I emphasize speculation. There is no real need to have your SNPs tested as we can expect all of Daniel's descendants are R-L23. The DYS393=12 is often an indicator of ht35. There is a SNP tree available at http://www.isogg.org where you can see how R-L23 fits. Dale Robbins wrote: > > > > Contact Information > > Name David Robbins > E-mail junenash@... > > > Haplogroups > > Y-DNA R1b1a2 Shorthand R-M269 > mtDNA N/A > > > Surnames > > * Faust [OH], > * Maple [Ohio], > * Maple [New Jersey], > * Maple [PA], > * McClain [OH], > * McClane [OH] > > > Most Distant Ancestor > > Paternal William Robins, 1761 - 1837, of NJ, PA & OH > Maternal Elizabeth Laughead > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:399 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 15:25:51 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: There are more than a few Duncans with a clean match to the Robins in the 12 marker tests. That should be a bit telling, to me. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? However it came about Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't tested or Daniel used the clan n ame of Robertson/Robinson & was not biological related but for some reason associated with this group & therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be new discoveries in the future. > Sara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > > > > > I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the FTDNA s ite. > > Here's my "theory" as to the name. > > Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > > > Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about > > accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel > > could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins > > - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off > > the table. > > > > todd.d.robbins@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Rick, > > > > > > It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would > > > have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... > > > > > > Tod > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:400 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 16:15:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: I've noticed that too, but there are some very significant differences when additional markers are added - especially the DYS425=null [or 0*] that has been found in all the tested results of Daniel's descendants. Rick wrote: >There are more than a few Duncans with a clean match to the Robins in the 12 marker tests. That should be a bit telling, to me. > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > >>The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? However it came about Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't tested or Daniel used the clan n ame of Robertson/Robinson & was not biological related but for some reason associated with this group & therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be new discoveries in the future. >> Sara >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rick >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM >> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth >> >> >> >> >> I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the FTDNA s ite. >> >> Here's my "theory" as to the name. >> >> Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL >> >> --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: >> > >> > Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about >> > accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel >> > could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins >> > - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off >> > the table. >> > >> > todd.d.robbins@ wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > Rick, >> > > >> > > It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would >> > > have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... >> > > >> > > Tod >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:401 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 16:38:30 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: I wonder how much that null varies over time. That being said, the theory that Sarmatian or Roman DNA is showing in the subset of Robbins/Robins whoever has been disproved by the Border Revers group. That being said, there's a HT35 group on FTDNA with some interest ing results. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > I've noticed that too, but there are some very significant differences > when additional markers are added - especially the DYS425=null [or 0*] > that has been found in all the tested results of Daniel's descendants. > > Rick wrote: > > >There are more than a few Duncans with a clean match to the Robins in the 12 marker tests. That should be a bit telling, to me. > > > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > > > > >>The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? However it cam e about Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't tested or Daniel used the clan name of Robertson/Robinson & was not biological related but for some reason associated with this group & therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be new discoveries in the future. > >> Sara > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Rick > >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM > >> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the FTDNA site. > >> > >> Here's my "theory" as to the name. > >> > >> Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL > >> > >> --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > >> > > >> > Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about > >> > accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel > >> > could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins > >> > - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off > >> > the table. > >> > > >> > todd.d.robbins@ wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Rick, > >> > > > >> > > It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would > >> > > have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... > >> > > > >> > > Tod > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:402 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 17:37:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: The Sarmation connection was part of the Border Reiver's theories - when did they refute it - can you give me a link to that specific portion of their web site that shows the refutation? Also I did not say anything about Roman DNA - I said the speculation was about Roman auxilaries which were troops organized from other parts of the empire - Balkan area in particular. Rick wrote: >I wonder how much that null varies over time. > >That being said, the theory that Sarmatian or Roman DNA is showing in the subset of Robbins/Robins whoever has been disproved by the Border Revers group. That being said, there's a HT35 group on FTDNA with some interes ting results. > > >http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults > > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > >>I've noticed that too, but there are some very significant differences >>when additional markers are added - especially the DYS425=null [or 0*] >>that has been found in all the tested results of Daniel's descendants. >> >>Rick wrote: >> >> >> >>>There are more than a few Duncans with a clean match to the Robins in the 12 marker tests. That should be a bit telling, to me. >>> >>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? However it cam e about Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't tested or Daniel used the clan name of Robertson/Robinson & was not biological related but for some reason associated with this group & therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be new discoveries in the future. >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Rick >>>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM >>>> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the FTDNA site. >>>> >>>> Here's my "theory" as to the name. >>>> >>>> Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL >>>> >>>> --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about >>>> > accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel >>>> > could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins >>>> > - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off >>>> > the table. >>>> > >>>> > todd.d.robbins@ wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Rick, >>>> > > >>>> > > It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would >>>> > > have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... >>>> > > >>>> > > Tod >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------ >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:403 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 19:09:18 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: And, I wish that I had posted what led me to say that. Anyway, I can't find it, but they haven't posted anything since, like 2008. I find no connection other than the 12 at DYS393=12. A lot of the reivers are pinning th eir hopes on the Sarmatian connection, but as the link I sent earlier proves out (to some degree) a better connection to the Sarmatian/Irani than anything they have posted to date. I'm not sure as to what I was getting at in the previous post, besides their insistence that the connection should be through R1b1c,, so I will let it go before I go blind. So much data, and conflicting. Who had the test for Ht35? And how does one test for that? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > The Sarmation connection was part of the Border Reiver's theories - when > did they refute it - can you give me a link to that specific portion of > their web site that shows the refutation? Also I did not say anything > about Roman DNA - I said the speculation was about Roman auxilaries > which were troops organized from other parts of the empire - Balkan area > in particular. > > Rick wrote: > > >I wonder how much that null varies over time. > > > >That being said, the theory that Sarmatian or Roman DNA is showing in the subset of Robbins/Robins whoever has been disproved by the Border Revers group. That being said, there's a HT35 group on FTDNA with some inter esting results. > > > > > >http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults > > > > > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > > > > >>I've noticed that too, but there are some very significant differences > >>when additional markers are added - especially the DYS425=null [or 0*] > >>that has been found in all the tested results of Daniel's descendants. > >> > >>Rick wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>There are more than a few Duncans with a clean match to the Robins in the 12 marker tests. That should be a bit telling, to me. > >>> > >>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? However it c ame about Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't tested or Daniel used the cl an name of Robertson/Robinson & was not biological related but for some reason associated with this group & therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be new discoveries in the future. > >>>> Sara > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Rick > >>>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >>>> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM > >>>> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the FTDN A site. > >>>> > >>>> Here's my "theory" as to the name. > >>>> > >>>> Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL > >>>> > >>>> --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about > >>>> > accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel > >>>> > could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins > >>>> > - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off > >>>> > the table. > >>>> > > >>>> > todd.d.robbins@ wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Rick, > >>>> > > > >>>> > > It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would > >>>> > > have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Tod > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------ > >>> > >>>Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:404 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 19:49:37 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: And this site is dedicated to the null435 http://www.familytreedna.com/public/null425/default.aspx?section=yresults --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > The Sarmation connection was part of the Border Reiver's theories - when > did they refute it - can you give me a link to that specific portion of > their web site that shows the refutation? Also I did not say anything > about Roman DNA - I said the speculation was about Roman auxilaries > which were troops organized from other parts of the empire - Balkan area > in particular. > > Rick wrote: > > >I wonder how much that null varies over time. > > > >That being said, the theory that Sarmatian or Roman DNA is showing in the subset of Robbins/Robins whoever has been disproved by the Border Revers group. That being said, there's a HT35 group on FTDNA with some inter esting results. > > > > > >http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults > > > > > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > > > > >>I've noticed that too, but there are some very significant differences > >>when additional markers are added - especially the DYS425=null [or 0*] > >>that has been found in all the tested results of Daniel's descendants. > >> > >>Rick wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>There are more than a few Duncans with a clean match to the Robins in the 12 marker tests. That should be a bit telling, to me. > >>> > >>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? However it c ame about Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't tested or Daniel used the cl an name of Robertson/Robinson & was not biological related but for some reason associated with this group & therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be new discoveries in the future. > >>>> Sara > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Rick > >>>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >>>> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM > >>>> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the FTDN A site. > >>>> > >>>> Here's my "theory" as to the name. > >>>> > >>>> Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL > >>>> > >>>> --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about > >>>> > accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel > >>>> > could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins > >>>> > - it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off > >>>> > the table. > >>>> > > >>>> > todd.d.robbins@ wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Rick, > >>>> > > > >>>> > > It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would > >>>> > > have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Tod > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------ > >>> > >>>Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:405 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-05-04 19:50:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: No publicly available test exists for ht35. At first we had to rely on the DYS393=12 for a proxy, but thru the research of the admin of the ht35new project found SNP equivalency with R-269* and its subclade R-L23* In another post I pointed out Robbins sample 37486 has actually been SNP tested and has R-L23* and is negative for the lower levels that are believed to be ht15 (not ht35) in western Europe and the R1b haplotypes have DYS393=13 as the modal value. Rick wrote: >And, I wish that I had posted what led me to say that. Anyway, I can't find it, but they haven't posted anything since, like 2008. I find no connection other than the 12 at DYS393=12. A lot of the reivers are pinning t heir hopes on the Sarmatian connection, but as the link I sent earlier proves out (to some degree) a better connection to the Sarmatian/Irani than anything they have posted to date. I'm not sure as to what I was getting at in the previous post, besides their insistence that the connection should be through R1b1c,, so I will let it go before I go blind. So much data, and conflicting. > >Who had the test for Ht35? And how does one test for that? > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > >>The Sarmation connection was part of the Border Reiver's theories - when >>did they refute it - can you give me a link to that specific portion of >>their web site that shows the refutation? Also I did not say anything >>about Roman DNA - I said the speculation was about Roman auxilaries >>which were troops organized from other parts of the empire - Balkan area >>in particular. >> >>Rick wrote: >> >> >> >>>I wonder how much that null varies over time. >>> >>>That being said, the theory that Sarmatian or Roman DNA is showing in the subset of Robbins/Robins whoever has been disproved by the Border Revers group. That being said, there's a HT35 group on FTDNA with some inter esting results. >>> >>> >>>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults >>> >>> >>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I've noticed that too, but there are some very significant differences >>>>when additional markers are added - especially the DYS425=null [or 0*] >>>>that has been found in all the tested results of Daniel's descendants. >>>> >>>>Rick wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>There are more than a few Duncans with a clean match to the Robins in the 12 marker tests. That should be a bit telling, to me. >>>>> >>>>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? However it c ame about Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't tested or Daniel used the cl an name of Robertson/Robinson & was not biological related but for some reason associated with this group & therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be new discoveries in the future. >>>>>> Sara >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Rick >>>>>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM >>>>>>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the FTDNA site. >>>>>> >>>>>>Here's my "theory" as to the name. >>>>>> >>>>>>Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL >>>>>> >>>>>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about >>>>>>>accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel >>>>>>>could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins >>>>>>>- it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off >>>>>>>the table. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>todd.d.robbins@ wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Rick, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would >>>>>>>>have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Tod >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------ >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:406 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-05 06:05:03 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: So then I guess we can safely assume, barring some oddball gene shifts, that the Robbins gene pool is probably best grouped in with that group I posted earlier: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults So then I guess I have to get the armor out for the horse. LOL There's lots of ways that DNA signature could have gotten to around Hadrian's wall, but the Sarmatian theory is probably the only one that makes sense. Thing is, how many other family groups are of the same or similar D NA sequence? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > No publicly available test exists for ht35. At first we had to rely on > the DYS393=12 for a proxy, but thru the research of the admin of the > ht35new project found SNP equivalency with R-269* and its subclade > R-L23* In another post I pointed out Robbins sample 37486 has actually > been SNP tested and has R-L23* and is negative for the lower levels that > are believed to be ht15 (not ht35) in western Europe and the R1b > haplotypes have DYS393=13 as the modal value. > > Rick wrote: > > >And, I wish that I had posted what led me to say that. Anyway, I can't find it, but they haven't posted anything since, like 2008. I find no connection other than the 12 at DYS393=12. A lot of the reivers are pinning their hopes on the Sarmatian connection, but as the link I sent earlier proves out (to some degree) a better connection to the Sarmatian/Irani than anything they have posted to date. I'm not sure as to what I was getti ng at in the previous post, besides their insistence that the connection should be through R1b1c,, so I will let it go before I go blind. So much data, and conflicting. > > > >Who had the test for Ht35? And how does one test for that? > > > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > > > > >>The Sarmation connection was part of the Border Reiver's theories - when > >>did they refute it - can you give me a link to that specific portion of > >>their web site that shows the refutation? Also I did not say anything > >>about Roman DNA - I said the speculation was about Roman auxilaries > >>which were troops organized from other parts of the empire - Balkan area > >>in particular. > >> > >>Rick wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I wonder how much that null varies over time. > >>> > >>>That being said, the theory that Sarmatian or Roman DNA is showing in the subset of Robbins/Robins whoever has been disproved by the Border Revers group. That being said, there's a HT35 group on FTDNA with some int eresting results. > >>> > >>> > >>>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults > >>> > >>> > >>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I've noticed that too, but there are some very significant differences > >>>>when additional markers are added - especially the DYS425=null [or 0*] > >>>>that has been found in all the tested results of Daniel's descendants. > >>>> > >>>>Rick wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>There are more than a few Duncans with a clean match to the Robins in the 12 marker tests. That should be a bit telling, to me. > >>>>> > >>>>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? However it came about Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't tested or Daniel used the clan name of Robertson/Robinson & was not biological related but for some reason associated with this group & therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be new discoveries in the future. > >>>>>> Sara > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>From: Rick > >>>>>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >>>>>>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM > >>>>>>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the FTD NA site. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Here's my "theory" as to the name. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL > >>>>>> > >>>>>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about > >>>>>>>accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel > >>>>>>>could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins > >>>>>>>- it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off > >>>>>>>the table. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>todd.d.robbins@ wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Rick, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would > >>>>>>>>have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Tod > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>------------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------ > >>> > >>>Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:407 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-05-05 06:19:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: Don't overlook the Antonine Wall and several base camps north of it. The Romans eventually gave up and retreated back to Hadrians wall. A few generations later the whole western empire collapsed. Rick wrote: >So then I guess we can safely assume, barring some oddball gene shifts, that the Robbins gene pool is probably best grouped in with that group I posted earlier: > >http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults > >So then I guess I have to get the armor out for the horse. LOL > >There's lots of ways that DNA signature could have gotten to around Hadrian's wall, but the Sarmatian theory is probably the only one that makes sense. Thing is, how many other family groups are of the same or similar DNA sequence? > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > >>No publicly available test exists for ht35. At first we had to rely on >>the DYS393=12 for a proxy, but thru the research of the admin of the >>ht35new project found SNP equivalency with R-269* and its subclade >>R-L23* In another post I pointed out Robbins sample 37486 has actually >>been SNP tested and has R-L23* and is negative for the lower levels that >>are believed to be ht15 (not ht35) in western Europe and the R1b >>haplotypes have DYS393=13 as the modal value. >> >>Rick wrote: >> >> >> >>>And, I wish that I had posted what led me to say that. Anyway, I can't find it, but they haven't posted anything since, like 2008. I find no connection other than the 12 at DYS393=12. A lot of the reivers are pinning their hopes on the Sarmatian connection, but as the link I sent earlier proves out (to some degree) a better connection to the Sarmatian/Irani than anything they have posted to date. I'm not sure as to what I was getti ng at in the previous post, besides their insistence that the connection should be through R1b1c,, so I will let it go before I go blind. So much data, and conflicting. >>> >>>Who had the test for Ht35? And how does one test for that? >>> >>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>The Sarmation connection was part of the Border Reiver's theories - when >>>>did they refute it - can you give me a link to that specific portion of >>>>their web site that shows the refutation? Also I did not say anything >>>>about Roman DNA - I said the speculation was about Roman auxilaries >>>>which were troops organized from other parts of the empire - Balkan area >>>>in particular. >>>> >>>>Rick wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I wonder how much that null varies over time. >>>>> >>>>>That being said, the theory that Sarmatian or Roman DNA is showing in the subset of Robbins/Robins whoever has been disproved by the Border Revers group. That being said, there's a HT35 group on FTDNA with some int eresting results. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I've noticed that too, but there are some very significant differences >>>>>>when additional markers are added - especially the DYS425=null [or 0*] >>>>>>that has been found in all the tested results of Daniel's descendants. >>>>>> >>>>>>Rick wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>There are more than a few Duncans with a clean match to the Robins in the 12 marker tests. That should be a bit telling, to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? However it came about Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't tested or Daniel used the clan name of Robertson/Robinson & was not biological related but for some reason associated with this group & therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be new discoveries in the future. >>>>>>>> Sara >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>From: Rick >>>>>>>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM >>>>>>>>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the FTD NA site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Here's my "theory" as to the name. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about >>>>>>>>>accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel >>>>>>>>>could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins >>>>>>>>>- it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off >>>>>>>>>the table. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>todd.d.robbins@ wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Rick, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would >>>>>>>>>>have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Tod >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------ >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:408 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2012-05-05 10:34:54 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins (1627) (DNA Research) Message: One important result in DNA tests with regard to genealogy research can be finding mis-matches. Sometimes a 12-marker test can suffice. > ________________________________________________________________________ > 1.5. Re: Daniel Robins (1627) > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tmarcelo@....com marcelofamilytx > Date: Fri May 4, 2012 10:00 am ((PDT)) > > It sure would be great to get all of the participants to > upgrade to the most markers they can possibly afford. > I've been involved with the DNA group for another surname (using > the DNA of a male cousin) for a long time. > One thing we all learned early on was that 12 out of 12 > matches is very misleading. It can quickly break down and > become irrelevant when you test more markers. > In other words, several of us had a 12/12 match but when we > tested 37 markers or 67 markers--it became clear that our > likelihood of finding a common ancestor was next to > impossible and that we really didn't match like we thought > we did! > > (I guess this is my "soapbox" speech that DNA tests for 12 > markers are pointless for genealogical research!) > > In any case, my message is: Get more markers tested, folks! :-) > > Tracey -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:409 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-05 10:35:28 Subject:Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: I will have to look them up, but at this point it seems as if that the historical search wouldn't do us much good without physical evidence of a DNA match to any of the areas. I'm hoping that somewhere along the line there are studies out there that are available for the border and wal l areas that may give us some leads. On a related note, while I was plowing through the Reiver data, I found it funny that my wife's ancestors are also Reivers. As are mine, through other families, not just this one. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > Don't overlook the Antonine Wall and several base camps north of it. > The Romans eventually gave up and retreated back to Hadrians wall. A > few generations later the whole western empire collapsed. > > > > Rick wrote: > > >So then I guess we can safely assume, barring some oddball gene shifts, that the Robbins gene pool is probably best grouped in with that group I posted earlier: > > > >http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults > > > >So then I guess I have to get the armor out for the horse. LOL > > > >There's lots of ways that DNA signature could have gotten to around Hadrian's wall, but the Sarmatian theory is probably the only one that makes sense. Thing is, how many other family groups are of the same or simila r DNA sequence? > > > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > > > > >>No publicly available test exists for ht35. At first we had to rely on > >>the DYS393=12 for a proxy, but thru the research of the admin of the > >>ht35new project found SNP equivalency with R-269* and its subclade > >>R-L23* In another post I pointed out Robbins sample 37486 has actually > >>been SNP tested and has R-L23* and is negative for the lower levels that > >>are believed to be ht15 (not ht35) in western Europe and the R1b > >>haplotypes have DYS393=13 as the modal value. > >> > >>Rick wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>And, I wish that I had posted what led me to say that. Anyway, I can't find it, but they haven't posted anything since, like 2008. I find no connection other than the 12 at DYS393=12. A lot of the reivers are pinni ng their hopes on the Sarmatian connection, but as the link I sent earlier proves out (to some degree) a better connection to the Sarmatian/Irani than anything they have posted to date. I'm not sure as to what I was get ting at in the previous post, besides their insistence that the connection should be through R1b1c,, so I will let it go before I go blind. So much data, and conflicting. > >>> > >>>Who had the test for Ht35? And how does one test for that? > >>> > >>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>The Sarmation connection was part of the Border Reiver's theories - when > >>>>did they refute it - can you give me a link to that specific portion of > >>>>their web site that shows the refutation? Also I did not say anything > >>>>about Roman DNA - I said the speculation was about Roman auxilaries > >>>>which were troops organized from other parts of the empire - Balkan area > >>>>in particular. > >>>> > >>>>Rick wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I wonder how much that null varies over time. > >>>>> > >>>>>That being said, the theory that Sarmatian or Roman DNA is showing in the subset of Robbins/Robins whoever has been disproved by the Border Revers group. That being said, there's a HT35 group on FTDNA with some i nteresting results. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>I've noticed that too, but there are some very significant differences > >>>>>>when additional markers are added - especially the DYS425=null [or 0*] > >>>>>>that has been found in all the tested results of Daniel's descendants. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Rick wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>There are more than a few Duncans with a clean match to the Robins in the 12 marker tests. That should be a bit telling, to me. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>The real reason that Daniel Robinson became Daniel Robins in NJ is unknown. All we have are theories. Did it begin as a written error or did he deliberately make a conscious effort to become a Robins? However it came about Daniel seemed to have been OK with the name change. As to Daniel Robins' DNA not matching the Robinson & Robertson DNA on FTDNA. My theory is there is a match out there that hasn't tested or Daniel used th e clan name of Robertson/Robinson & was not biological related but for some reason associated with this group & therefore used the name. It sure is a mystery but there's sure to be new discoveries in the future. > >>>>>>>> Sara > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>From: Rick > >>>>>>>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:00 AM > >>>>>>>>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) date of birth > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I think that if, at some point, either Robinson or Robertson was a name that was intentionally used by Daniel Robins, there would be DNA that supported that theory. There is, obviously, none, at least in the F TDNA site. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Here's my "theory" as to the name. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Suppose that Daniel, as a respectful man, when asked his name, answered "Robins, sir". Now with a Scottish accent see how that sounds. LOL > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Except we have no record of Daniel as a "Robertson". But the point about > >>>>>>>>>accent is a likely important; because of his accent I doubt that Daniel > >>>>>>>>>could hope to hide his Scottish origin by shortening his name to Robins > >>>>>>>>>- it seems we can take that possible motivation for the name change off > >>>>>>>>>the table. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>todd.d.robbins@ wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Rick, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>It happens to me all the time as well. I wonder how Robertson would > >>>>>>>>>>have sounded in Scottish Gaelic... Hmm... Time machine... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Tod > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>------------------------------------ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>------------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------ > >>> > >>>Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:410 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2012-05-05 16:50:11 Subject:Fw: Robbins marriage cert. Message: The emails about a Scottish connection made me wonder about this Edward ??? on this marriage cert. Edward is always listed as Edward Robbins everywhere else in census records and family records What are your feelings on the name after Edward's? What do you think it says? Shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:411 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-05 18:30:58 Subject:Re: Fw: Robbins marriage cert. Message: Not seeing that, unfortunately. Maybe would come through in individual mails, I get digest. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Shirley Hawley wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The emails about a Scottish connection made me wonder about > this Edward ??? on this marriage cert. Edward is always listed as > Edward Robbins everywhere else in census records and family records > What are your feelings on the name after Edward's? What do you > think it says? > Shirley > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:412 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2012-05-05 19:01:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Fw: Robbins marriage cert. Message: Not seeing it here either, with individual mails.  It needs a file type.  Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 9:30 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Fw: Robbins marriage cert.  Not seeing that, unfortunately. Maybe would come through in individual mails, I get digest. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Shirley Hawley wrote: > >  > > > > > > > > > The emails about a Scottish connection made me wonder about > this Edward ??? on this marriage cert. Edward is always listed as > Edward Robbins everywhere else in census records and family records > What are your feelings on the name after Edward's? What do you > think it says? > Shirley >  > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:413 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-05 19:28:16 Subject:Re: Fw: Robbins marriage cert. Message: I'm not feeling the binary files. Suspicious. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, William Collins wrote: > > Not seeing it here either, with individual mails.  It needs a file type. >  > Bill Collins > Summerville, SC > genedigger@... > > > ________________________________ > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 9:30 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Fw: Robbins marriage cert. > > >  > Not seeing that, unfortunately. Maybe would come through in individual mails, I get digest. > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Shirley Hawley wrote: > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The emails about a Scottish connection made me wonder about > > this Edward ??? on this marriage cert. Edward is always listed as > > Edward Robbins everywhere else in census records and family records > > What are your feelings on the name after Edward's? What do you > > think it says? > > Shirley > >  > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:414 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-06 12:06:35 Subject:Battle of Worcester 1651 Message: Here is a link to a society in Scotland dedicated to the Battle of Worchester, in which our ancestor was captured and transported to America. The treasurer's name is, curiously, Robinson. I wonder if he would take a DNA test. LOL http://www.thebattleofworcestersociety.org.uk/Welcome.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:415 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-06 12:44:09 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Battle of Worcester 1651 Message: I'm unable to access this link to the Battle of Worcester. I've posted 3 messages here several hours ago & none has appeared. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 12:06 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Battle of Worcester 1651 Here is a link to a society in Scotland dedicated to the Battle of Worchester, in which our ancestor was captured and transported to America. The treasurer's name is, curiously, Robinson. I wonder if he would take a D NA test. LOL http://www.thebattleofworcestersociety.org.uk/Welcome.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:416 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2012-05-06 13:31:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Battle of Worcester 1651 Message: Thank you for this posting. I have been doing research into the Battle and there photos of the scenes and one building in particular that still has the marks from the Battle to this day. From Daniel and Hope Potter: Dinah notes: (I am finishing up John Liver Eating Johnston and adding all information or leads to in my book. Johnston was born a Garrison, his grandmother was Dinah Robins who married John Garrison. Isaac Garrison is the father. Johnston had 4 sisters and 1 brother from a second marriage. The first marriage of Isaac has 2 sons and 1 daughter--these three did not have children.) Dorman Nelson www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com Post Scriptum: There is now a sign near Johnston's birthplace near Little York, NJ declaring such. ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 12:06:41 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Battle of Worcester 1651 Here is a link to a society in Scotland dedicated to the Battle of Worchester, in which our ancestor was captured and transported to America. The treasurer's name is, curiously, Robinson. I wonder if he would take a DNA test. LOL http://www.thebattleofworcestersociety.org.uk/Welcome.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:417 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-06 13:38:49 Subject:Re: Battle of Worcester 1651 Message: I don't know what's wrong, works for me. Just clicked it and it took me to the correct site. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > I'm unable to access this link to the Battle of Worcester. I've posted 3 messages here several hours ago & none has appeared. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 12:06 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Battle of Worcester 1651 > > > > Here is a link to a society in Scotland dedicated to the Battle of Worchester, in which our ancestor was captured and transported to America. The treasurer's name is, curiously, Robinson. I wonder if he would take a DNA test. LOL > > http://www.thebattleofworcestersociety.org.uk/Welcome.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:418 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-06 14:01:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Battle of Worcester 1651 Message: Rick, I went to google & found thebattleofworcestersociety.org/uk link. It never does any harm to ask Mr. Robinson to test. I've found that the cost of the DNA test prevents a lot of people from taking it. Are you willing to sponsor him if he agrees to test but not willing to pay for it? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 12:06 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Battle of Worcester 1651 Here is a link to a society in Scotland dedicated to the Battle of Worchester, in which our ancestor was captured and transported to America. The treasurer's name is, curiously, Robinson. I wonder if he would take a D NA test. LOL http://www.thebattleofworcestersociety.org.uk/Welcome.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:419 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-06 15:23:16 Subject:Re: Battle of Worcester 1651 Message: I don't know where he is from, but I wouldn't mind kicking into whatever fund there is for this sort of thing if he is local to Blair Atholl or thereabouts. Seems to me, now that I am paying attention to the geography, that this Robinson fellow is 393 miles away from the hometown of Daniel Robins. I guess it is a reach. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Rick, > > I went to google & found thebattleofworcestersociety.org/uk link. It never does any harm to ask Mr. Robinson to test. I've found that the cost of the DNA test prevents a lot of people from taking it. Are you willing to sponsor him if he agrees to test but not willing to pay for it? > Sara > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 12:06 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Battle of Worcester 1651 > > > > Here is a link to a society in Scotland dedicated to the Battle of Worchester, in which our ancestor was captured and transported to America. The treasurer's name is, curiously, Robinson. I wonder if he would take a DNA test. LOL > > http://www.thebattleofworcestersociety.org.uk/Welcome.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:420 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-06 15:56:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Battle of Worcester 1651 Message: Rick, If you decide to follow up it will interesting to know Mr Robinson's genealogical background & why he has an interest in the Battle of Worcester. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:23 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Battle of Worcester 1651 I don't know where he is from, but I wouldn't mind kicking into whatever fund there is for this sort of thing if he is local to Blair Atholl or thereabouts. Seems to me, now that I am paying attention to the geography , that this Robinson fellow is 393 miles away from the hometown of Daniel Robins. I guess it is a reach. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Rick, > > I went to google & found thebattleofworcestersociety.org/uk link. It never does any harm to ask Mr. Robinson to test. I've found that the cost of the DNA test prevents a lot of people from taking it. Are you willing to sponsor him if he agrees to test but not willing to pay for it? > Sara > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 12:06 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Battle of Worcester 1651 > > > > Here is a link to a society in Scotland dedicated to the Battle of Worchester, in which our ancestor was captured and transported to America. The treasurer's name is, curiously, Robinson. I wonder if he would take a DNA test. LOL > > http://www.thebattleofworcestersociety.org.uk/Welcome.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:421 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-06 16:14:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Battle of Worcester 1651 Message: I posted this about 2 years ago. I thought it may be of interest to newer members. "Charles Gordon an immigrant from Aberdeen, wrote from Perth Amboy, New Jersey on 5 March 1685 to Andrew Irvine, a merchant in Edinburgh, saying, I am just now drinking to one of them the old Buckskin planters our count rymen who was sent away by Cromwell to New England; a slave from Dunbar, now living at Woodbridge like a Scots Laird, wishes his countrymen and his native soil well, though he never intends to see it." Source: "Emigrat ion to Colonial America" published by David Dobson in 1994. Records show Daniel Robinson/Robins was living at Woodbridge in 1685. However he was sent to New England after the Battle of Worcester not Dunbar. I suppose there is the possibility that Daniel Robins also fought at Dun bar. This letter gives us some direct insight into how one of the Scottish POW's felt about his life in America whoever he may have been. I assume the Buckskin planters reference was to the use of deer skin hide for clo thing. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Battle of Worcester 1651 Rick, If you decide to follow up it will interesting to know Mr Robinson's genealogical background & why he has an interest in the Battle of Worcester. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:23 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Battle of Worcester 1651 I don't know where he is from, but I wouldn't mind kicking into whatever fund there is for this sort of thing if he is local to Blair Atholl or thereabouts. Seems to me, now that I am paying attention to the geograp hy, that this Robinson fellow is 393 miles away from the hometown of Daniel Robins. I guess it is a reach. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Rick, > > I went to google & found thebattleofworcestersociety.org/uk link. It never does any harm to ask Mr. Robinson to test. I've found that the cost of the DNA test prevents a lot of people from taking it. Are you willi ng to sponsor him if he agrees to test but not willing to pay for it? > Sara > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 12:06 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Battle of Worcester 1651 > > > > Here is a link to a society in Scotland dedicated to the Battle of Worchester, in which our ancestor was captured and transported to America. The treasurer's name is, curiously, Robinson. I wonder if he would take a DNA test. LOL > > http://www.thebattleofworcestersociety.org.uk/Welcome.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:422 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2012-05-07 09:27:11 Subject:Re-post for Shirley Hawley Message: Re-posted for Shirley Hawley, this time with the correct file type. The emails about a Scottish connection made me wonder about this Edward ??? on this marriage cert. Edward is always listed as Edward Robbins everywhere else in census records and family records What are your feelings on the name after Edward's? What do you think it says? Shirley Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:423 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-07 10:18:57 Subject:Re: Re-post for Shirley Hawley Message: Here's a suggestion. Try and make it into a picture, not a .doc. JPG, gif, whatever. Would go a long way toward getting the certificate seen. And really, if you want to have help looking at this certificate, perhaps sen ding it to Sara or Tod to put online *as a picture file* is probably helpful. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, William Collins wrote: > > Re-posted for Shirley Hawley, this time with the correct file type. > > > The emails about a Scottish connection made me wonder about > this Edward ??? on this marriage cert. Edward is always listed as > Edward Robbins everywhere else in census records and family records > What are your feelings on the name after Edward's? What do you > think it says? > Shirley > > > Bill Collins > Summerville, SC > genedigger@... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:424 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2012-05-07 10:48:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Re-post for Shirley Hawley Message: Are you saying you couldn't open it?  It opens fine in MS Word (Office 97) once it had the .doc suffix put on it. In any event, I don't have the original, and Shirley asked to send it, since I had been able to open it.  Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Re-post for Shirley Hawley  Here's a suggestion. Try and make it into a picture, not a .doc. JPG, gif, whatever. Would go a long way toward getting the certificate seen. And really, if you want to have help looking at this certificate, perhaps sen ding it to Sara or Tod to put online *as a picture file* is probably helpful. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, William Collins wrote: > > Re-posted for Shirley Hawley, this time with the correct file type. > > > The emails about a Scottish connection made me wonder about > this Edward ??? on this marriage cert. Edward is always listed as > Edward Robbins everywhere else in census records and family records > What are your feelings on the name after Edward's? What do you > think it says? > Shirley >  >  > Bill Collins > Summerville, SC > genedigger@... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:425 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-07 11:35:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Re-post for Shirley Hawley Message: Bill, Looks like you fixed Shirley's file problem as it opens fine for me now. Thanks for helping so we all can take a look at it. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Re-post for Shirley Hawley Are you saying you couldn't open it? It opens fine in MS Word (Office 97) once it had the .doc suffix put on it. In any event, I don't have the original, and Shirley asked to send it, since I had been able to open it. Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Re-post for Shirley Hawley Here's a suggestion. Try and make it into a picture, not a .doc. JPG, gif, whatever. Would go a long way toward getting the certificate seen. And really, if you want to have help looking at this certificate, perhaps s ending it to Sara or Tod to put online *as a picture file* is probably helpful. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, William Collins wrote: > > Re-posted for Shirley Hawley, this time with the correct file type. > > > The emails about a Scottish connection made me wonder about > this Edward ??? on this marriage cert. Edward is always listed as > Edward Robbins everywhere else in census records and family records > What are your feelings on the name after Edward's? What do you > think it says? > Shirley > > > Bill Collins > Summerville, SC > genedigger@... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:426 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2012-05-07 11:57:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Re-post for Shirley Hawley Message: Thank you, I will remember to send any future items as a picture, Thank you --- On Mon, 5/7/12, Rick wrote: From: Rick Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Re-post for Shirley Hawley To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 7, 2012, 12:18 PM  Here's a suggestion. Try and make it into a picture, not a .doc. JPG, gif, whatever. Would go a long way toward getting the certificate seen. And really, if you want to have help looking at this certificate, perhaps sen ding it to Sara or Tod to put online *as a picture file* is probably helpful. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, William Collins wrote: > > Re-posted for Shirley Hawley, this time with the correct file type. > > > The emails about a Scottish connection made me wonder about > this Edward ??? on this marriage cert. Edward is always listed as > Edward Robbins everywhere else in census records and family records > What are your feelings on the name after Edward's? What do you > think it says? > Shirley >  >  > Bill Collins > Summerville, SC > genedigger@... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:427 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-05-07 15:57:09 Subject:DAR Message: Can anyone answer a question for me on the DAR & it's requirements for membership. I'm not trying to join but have been contacted by a relative looking for a Patriot Ancestor in our family tree. I told her she can't use a certain person who the DAR has designated a Patriot Ancestor because she isn't a direct descendant. She says the DAR will accept any relationship, such as uncle, nephew, cousin on either the maternal or paternal line . Is this correct? Thanks, Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:428 Sender:"Bettylou Steadman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-07 16:51:24 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Message: Sara, I don't know if this is anything new to you, but I found the following information regarding the DAR: The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) is a lineage-based membership organization for women who are descended from a person involved in United States' independence. � lineage - definition of lineage by the Free Online Dictionary ... http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lineage - 39k - similar pages a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry. b. Derivation. 2. The descendants of a common ancestor considered to be the founder of the line. Definition of LINEAGE a : descent in a line from a common progenitor b : derivation 2 : a group of individuals tracing descent from a common ancestor; especially : such a group of persons whose common ancestor is regarded as its founder Membership in DAR is open to all women who can prove lineal bloodline descent from an ancestor who aided in achieving United States independence, regardless of race or religion.[ The National Society of DAR is the final arbiter of the acceptability of all applications for membership. Various related categories of known historical figures are qualified as having participated, including: Signatories of the United States Declaration of Independence; Military veterans of the American Revolutionary War, including State navies and militias, local militias, privateers, and French or Spanish soldiers and sailors who fought in the American theater of war; Civil servants of provisional or State governments, Continental Congress and State conventions and assemblies; Signers of Oath of Allegiance or Oath of Fidelity and Support; Participants in the Boston Tea Party; Prisoners of war, refugees, and defenders of fortresses and frontiers; doctors and nurses who aided Revolutionary casualties; and ministers, petitioners; Others who gave material or patriotic support to the Revolutionary caus There is more information in the link below: www.learnwebskills.com/patriot/documentingthelineage.htm Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 5/7/2012 3:57:13 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Can anyone answer a question for me on the DAR & it's requirements for membership. I'm not trying to join but have been contacted by a relative looking for a Patriot Ancestor in our family tree. I told her she can't use a certain person who the DAR has designated a Patriot Ancestor because she isn't a direct descendant. She says the DAR will accept any relationship, such as uncle, nephew, cousin on either the maternal or paternal line . Is this correct? Thanks, Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:429 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-07 17:57:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Message: Bettylou, I haven't seen this information before so thanks for sending it. I don't keep up on the DAR stuff & thought there were members here a lot more knowledgeable than I am on the subject. Thanks for giving me this informatio n. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Bettylou Steadman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, I don't know if this is anything new to you, but I found the following information regarding the DAR: The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) is a lineage-based membership organization for women who are descended from a person involved in United States' independence. · lineage - definition of lineage by the Free Online Dictionary ... http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lineage - 39k - similar pages a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry. b. Derivation. 2. The descendants of a common ancestor considered to be the founder of the line. Definition of LINEAGE a : descent in a line from a common progenitor b : derivation 2 : a group of individuals tracing descent from a common ancestor; especially : such a group of persons whose common ancestor is regarded as its founder Membership in DAR is open to all women who can prove lineal bloodline descent from an ancestor who aided in achieving United States independence, regardless of race or religion.[ The National Society of DAR is the final arbiter of the acceptability of all applications for membership. Various related categories of known historical figures are qualified as having participated, including: a.. Signatories of the United States Declaration of Independence; b.. Military veterans of the American Revolutionary War, including State navies and militias, local militias, privateers, and French or Spanish soldiers and sailors who fought in the American theater of war; c.. Civil servants of provisional or State governments, Continental Congress and State conventions and assemblies; d.. Signers of Oath of Allegiance or Oath of Fidelity and Support; e.. Participants in the Boston Tea Party; f.. Prisoners of war, refugees, and defenders of fortresses and frontiers; doctors and nurses who aided Revolutionary casualties; and ministers, petitioners; g.. Others who gave material or patriotic support to the Revolutionary caus There is more information in the link below: www.learnwebskills.com/patriot/documentingthelineage.htm Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 5/7/2012 3:57:13 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Can anyone answer a question for me on the DAR & it's requirements for membership. I'm not trying to join but have been contacted by a relative looking for a Patriot Ancestor in our family tree. I told her she can't use a certain person who the DAR has designated a Patriot Ancestor because she isn't a direct descendant. She says the DAR will accept any relationship, such as uncle, nephew, cousin on either the maternal or paternal line. Is this correct? Thanks, Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:430 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-07 20:48:20 Subject:Re: DAR Message: I'm wondering now, if there are any Robbins lineages that qualify for this distinction through direct bloodlines? I've never heard of any. My lineage has Civil War participants that have died in the line of duty, and have some ancestors that allow me to qualify, if I were a Canadian, to have the letters U. E. after my name, due to having been a Loyalist in the Revolution. The last one above is pretty much in keeping with the theme of supporting the wrong side in battles, (Dunbar, etc...)isn't it. LOL --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Bettylou, > > I haven't seen this information before so thanks for sending it. I don't keep up on the DAR stuff & thought there were members here a lot more knowledgeable than I am on the subject. Thanks for giving me this informat ion. > Sara > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bettylou Steadman > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:51 PM > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR > > > > > Sara, > > I don't know if this is anything new to you, but I found the following information regarding the DAR: > > The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) is a lineage-based membership organization for women who are descended from a person involved in United States' independence. > > > > · lineage - definition of lineage by the Free Online Dictionary ... > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lineage - 39k - similar pages > > a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry. b. Derivation. 2. The descendants of a common ancestor considered to be the founder of the line. > > Definition of LINEAGE > a : descent in a line from a common progenitor b : derivation > > 2 > > : a group of individuals tracing descent from a common ancestor; especially : such a group of persons whose common ancestor is regarded as its founder > > > > > > Membership in DAR is open to all women who can prove lineal bloodline descent from an ancestor who aided in achieving United States independence, regardless of race or religion.[ > > The National Society of DAR is the final arbiter of the acceptability of all applications for membership. > > Various related categories of known historical figures are qualified as having participated, including: > > a.. Signatories of the United States Declaration of Independence; > b.. Military veterans of the American Revolutionary War, including State navies and militias, local militias, privateers, and French or Spanish soldiers and sailors who fought in the American theater of war; > c.. Civil servants of provisional or State governments, Continental Congress and State conventions and assemblies; > d.. Signers of Oath of Allegiance or Oath of Fidelity and Support; > e.. Participants in the Boston Tea Party; > f.. Prisoners of war, refugees, and defenders of fortresses and frontiers; doctors and nurses who aided Revolutionary casualties; and ministers, petitioners; > g.. Others who gave material or patriotic support to the Revolutionary caus > There is more information in the link below: > > > > www.learnwebskills.com/patriot/documentingthelineage.htm > > > > > > Bettylou > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sara > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 5/7/2012 3:57:13 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR > > > > Can anyone answer a question for me on the DAR & it's requirements for membership. I'm not trying to join but have been contacted by a relative looking for a Patriot Ancestor in our family tree. I told her she can 't use a certain person who the DAR has designated a Patriot Ancestor because she isn't a direct descendant. She says the DAR will accept any relationship, such as uncle, nephew, cousin on either the maternal or paterna l line. Is this correct? > Thanks, > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:431 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-08 08:04:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR Message: We find the descendants of Daniel Robins on both sides during the Rev War. How many of them have been designated as Patriot Ancestors I don't know. I wonder about the accuracy of the DAR records used in the past. This i s just my opinion but I think if DNA testing were to be a requirement a lot of their documentation would be found to be inaccurate. Years ago a friend of mine asked me to join the DAR & I told her I'm unable to join bec ause I don't have any Rev War ancestors, they were all Loyalists. She was president of the chapter & she laughed & said well we will just have to dig you up one. I told her that it didn't seem right to me. My understand ing is the DAR accepts Loyalist ancestors if they took the Oath of Allegiance so maybe I was eligible. However, I don't understand why anyone would want to join the DAR when their ancestors were Loyalists but it does ha ppen. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:48 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR I'm wondering now, if there are any Robbins lineages that qualify for this distinction through direct bloodlines? I've never heard of any. My lineage has Civil War participants that have died in the line of duty, and have some ancestors that allow me to qualify, if I were a Canadian, to have the letters U. E. after my name, due to having been a Loyalist in the Revolution. The last one above is pretty much in keeping with the theme of supporting the wrong side in battles, (Dunbar, etc...)isn't it. LOL --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Bettylou, > > I haven't seen this information before so thanks for sending it. I don't keep up on the DAR stuff & thought there were members here a lot more knowledgeable than I am on the subject. Thanks for giving me this inform ation. > Sara > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bettylou Steadman > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:51 PM > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR > > > > > Sara, > > I don't know if this is anything new to you, but I found the following information regarding the DAR: > > The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) is a lineage-based membership organization for women who are descended from a person involved in United States' independence. > > > > · lineage - definition of lineage by the Free Online Dictionary ... > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lineage - 39k - similar pages > > a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry. b. Derivation. 2. The descendants of a common ancestor considered to be the founder of the line. > > Definition of LINEAGE > a : descent in a line from a common progenitor b : derivation > > 2 > > : a group of individuals tracing descent from a common ancestor; especially : such a group of persons whose common ancestor is regarded as its founder > > > > > > Membership in DAR is open to all women who can prove lineal bloodline descent from an ancestor who aided in achieving United States independence, regardless of race or religion.[ > > The National Society of DAR is the final arbiter of the acceptability of all applications for membership. > > Various related categories of known historical figures are qualified as having participated, including: > > a.. Signatories of the United States Declaration of Independence; > b.. Military veterans of the American Revolutionary War, including State navies and militias, local militias, privateers, and French or Spanish soldiers and sailors who fought in the American theater of war; > c.. Civil servants of provisional or State governments, Continental Congress and State conventions and assemblies; > d.. Signers of Oath of Allegiance or Oath of Fidelity and Support; > e.. Participants in the Boston Tea Party; > f.. Prisoners of war, refugees, and defenders of fortresses and frontiers; doctors and nurses who aided Revolutionary casualties; and ministers, petitioners; > g.. Others who gave material or patriotic support to the Revolutionary caus > There is more information in the link below: > > > > www.learnwebskills.com/patriot/documentingthelineage.htm > > > > > > Bettylou > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sara > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 5/7/2012 3:57:13 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR > > > > Can anyone answer a question for me on the DAR & it's requirements for membership. I'm not trying to join but have been contacted by a relative looking for a Patriot Ancestor in our family tree. I told her she can't use a certain person who the DAR has designated a Patriot Ancestor because she isn't a direct descendant. She says the DAR will accept any relationship, such as uncle, nephew, cousin on either the maternal or paternal line. Is this correct? > Thanks, > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:432 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-08 10:28:07 Subject:Re: DAR Message: No worries there. My Robins and Marr families in Canada never took an oath of allegiance to the US. Come to think of it, only the Marr side were UEL directly that I can prove. Of course my Robins ancestor got his 200 ac res as a Loyalist, but only through his wife's family, as far as I can see. I think that the DNA documentation may be an answer for direct male descendants, but with descendants with male, then female, etc, it may be problematic. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > We find the descendants of Daniel Robins on both sides during the Rev War. How many of them have been designated as Patriot Ancestors I don't know. I wonder about the accuracy of the DAR records used in the past. This is just my opinion but I think if DNA testing were to be a requirement a lot of their documentation would be found to be inaccurate. Years ago a friend of mine asked me to join the DAR & I told her I'm unable to join b ecause I don't have any Rev War ancestors, they were all Loyalists. She was president of the chapter & she laughed & said well we will just have to dig you up one. I told her that it didn't seem right to me. My understa nding is the DAR accepts Loyalist ancestors if they took the Oath of Allegiance so maybe I was eligible. However, I don't understand why anyone would want to join the DAR when their ancestors were Loyalists but it does happen. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:48 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR > > > > I'm wondering now, if there are any Robbins lineages that qualify for this distinction through direct bloodlines? I've never heard of any. > > My lineage has Civil War participants that have died in the line of duty, and have some ancestors that allow me to qualify, if I were a Canadian, to have the letters U. E. after my name, due to having been a Loyalis t in the Revolution. > > The last one above is pretty much in keeping with the theme of supporting the wrong side in battles, (Dunbar, etc...)isn't it. LOL > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > > > Bettylou, > > > > I haven't seen this information before so thanks for sending it. I don't keep up on the DAR stuff & thought there were members here a lot more knowledgeable than I am on the subject. Thanks for giving me this info rmation. > > Sara > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bettylou Steadman > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:51 PM > > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR > > > > > > > > > > Sara, > > > > I don't know if this is anything new to you, but I found the following information regarding the DAR: > > > > The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) is a lineage-based membership organization for women who are descended from a person involved in United States' independence. > > > > > > > > · lineage - definition of lineage by the Free Online Dictionary ... > > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lineage - 39k - similar pages > > > > a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry. b. Derivation. 2. The descendants of a common ancestor considered to be the founder of the line. > > > > Definition of LINEAGE > > a : descent in a line from a common progenitor b : derivation > > > > 2 > > > > : a group of individuals tracing descent from a common ancestor; especially : such a group of persons whose common ancestor is regarded as its founder > > > > > > > > > > > > Membership in DAR is open to all women who can prove lineal bloodline descent from an ancestor who aided in achieving United States independence, regardless of race or religion.[ > > > > The National Society of DAR is the final arbiter of the acceptability of all applications for membership. > > > > Various related categories of known historical figures are qualified as having participated, including: > > > > a.. Signatories of the United States Declaration of Independence; > > b.. Military veterans of the American Revolutionary War, including State navies and militias, local militias, privateers, and French or Spanish soldiers and sailors who fought in the American theater of war; > > c.. Civil servants of provisional or State governments, Continental Congress and State conventions and assemblies; > > d.. Signers of Oath of Allegiance or Oath of Fidelity and Support; > > e.. Participants in the Boston Tea Party; > > f.. Prisoners of war, refugees, and defenders of fortresses and frontiers; doctors and nurses who aided Revolutionary casualties; and ministers, petitioners; > > g.. Others who gave material or patriotic support to the Revolutionary caus > > There is more information in the link below: > > > > > > > > www.learnwebskills.com/patriot/documentingthelineage.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Bettylou > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sara > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: 5/7/2012 3:57:13 PM > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR > > > > > > > > Can anyone answer a question for me on the DAR & it's requirements for membership. I'm not trying to join but have been contacted by a relative looking for a Patriot Ancestor in our family tree. I told her she can 't use a certain person who the DAR has designated a Patriot Ancestor because she isn't a direct descendant. She says the DAR will accept any relationship, such as uncle, nephew, cousin on either the maternal or paterna l line. Is this correct? > > Thanks, > > Sara > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:433 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-05-08 11:27:50 Subject:Early Land Records from the Niagara Region Message: http://sites.google.com/site/niagarasettlers2/home Y'all probably have the above, but if not, enjoy it. It appears that many a Robins was willing to forego an oath of allegiance in the United States to get land in Upper Canada! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:434 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-08 12:35:48 Subject:Re: Early Land Records from the Niagara Region Message: My people are a little to the left of those townships, in Gainsborough and Lincoln Townships. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Dale Robbins wrote: > > http://sites.google.com/site/niagarasettlers2/home > > Y'all probably have the above, but if not, enjoy it. It appears that many a Robins was willing to forego an oath of allegiance in the United States to get land in Upper Canada! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:435 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-05-08 13:02:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Battle of Worcester 1651 Message: Sara that's fascinating! I also recommend this site for contextual information surrounding the Battle of Worcester: http://www.british-civil-wars.co.uk/ Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:436 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-05-08 13:15:18 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627) Message: I had my DNA done a few years back. I am a direct descendant of Richard Rob(b)ins of NC. My DNA was a 64 of 68 marker match with a known direct descendant of Daniel.  Chris Robbins ________________________________ From: "todd.d.robbins@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robins (1627)  Sara, What kind of candidate do we need for more conclusive DNA results? I'm curious about the number of people who have had that analysis done already. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:437 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-05-08 14:10:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR Message: Sara, I am Chris Robbins' wife. I am a very active member in DAR. Some of the older applications are NOT correct. Approval of Recent applications have a lot more correct and better documentation. DNA test would be a good way to make sure that the documents people send with their application were correct. In the future I can see where they might use DNA test and the documents. Carol  ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR  We find the descendants of Daniel Robins on both sides during the Rev War. How many of them have been designated as Patriot Ancestors I don't know. I wonder about the accuracy of the DAR records used in the past. This is just my opinion but I think if DNA testing were to be a requirement a lot of their documentation would be found to be inaccurate. Years ago a friend of mine asked me to join the DAR & I told her I'm unable to join because I don't have any Rev War ancestors, they were all Loyalists. She was president of the chapter & she laughed & said well we will just have to dig you up one. I told her that it didn't seem right to me.  My understanding is the DAR accepts Loyalist ancestors if they took the Oath of Allegiance so maybe I was eligible. However, I don't understand why anyone would want to join the DAR when their ancestors were Lo yalists but it does happen.                                                                              Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: Rick >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:48 PM >Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR > > >I'm wondering now, if there are any Robbins lineages that qualify for this distinction through direct bloodlines? I've never heard of any. > >My lineage has Civil War participants that have died in the line of duty, and have some ancestors that allow me to qualify, if I were a Canadian, to have the letters U. E. after my name, due to having been a Loyalist i n the Revolution. > >The last one above is pretty much in keeping with the theme of supporting the wrong side in battles, (Dunbar, etc...)isn't it. LOL > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: >> >> Bettylou, >> >> I haven't seen this information before so thanks for sending it. I don't keep up on the DAR stuff & thought there were members here a lot more knowledgeable than I am on the subject. Thanks for giving me this informa tion. >> Sara >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bettylou Steadman >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:51 PM >> Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR >> >> >> >> >> Sara, >> >> I don't know if this is anything new to you, but I found the following information regarding the DAR: >> >> The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) is a lineage-based membership organization for women who are descended from a person involved in United States' independence. >> >> >> >> · lineage - definition of lineage by the Free Online Dictionary ... >> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lineage - 39k - similar pages >> >> a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry. b. Derivation. 2. The descendants of a common ancestor considered to be the founder of the line. >> >> Definition of LINEAGE >> a : descent in a line from a common progenitor b : derivation >> >> 2 >> >> : a group of individuals tracing descent from a common ancestor; especially : such a group of persons whose common ancestor is regarded as its founder >> >> >> >> >> >> Membership in DAR is open to all women who can prove lineal bloodline descent from an ancestor who aided in achieving United States independence, regardless of race or religion.[ >> >> The National Society of DAR is the final arbiter of the acceptability of all applications for membership. >> >> Various related categories of known historical figures are qualified as having participated, including: >> >> a.. Signatories of the United States Declaration of Independence; >> b.. Military veterans of the American Revolutionary War, including State navies and militias, local militias, privateers, and French or Spanish soldiers and sailors who fought in the American theater of war; >> c.. Civil servants of provisional or State governments, Continental Congress and State conventions and assemblies; >> d.. Signers of Oath of Allegiance or Oath of Fidelity and Support; >> e.. Participants in the Boston Tea Party; >> f.. Prisoners of war, refugees, and defenders of fortresses and frontiers; doctors and nurses who aided Revolutionary casualties; and ministers, petitioners; >> g.. Others who gave material or patriotic support to the Revolutionary caus >> There is more information in the link below: >> >> >> >> www.learnwebskills.com/patriot/documentingthelineage.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> Bettylou >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Sara >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: 5/7/2012 3:57:13 PM >> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR >> >> >> >> Can anyone answer a question for me on the DAR & it's requirements for membership. I'm not trying to join but have been contacted by a relative looking for a Patriot Ancestor in our family tree. I told her she can't use a certain person who the DAR has designated a Patriot Ancestor because she isn't a direct descendant. She says the DAR will accept any relationship, such as uncle, nephew, cousin on either the maternal or paternal l ine. Is this correct? >> Thanks, >> Sara >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:438 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-05-08 17:29:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR Message: Carol, So nice of you to join in the discussion & your comments are welcomed anytime. Thank you for the update on the status of what the DAR requires today. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: C ROBBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR Sara, I am Chris Robbins' wife. I am a very active member in DAR. Some of the older applications are NOT correct. Approval of Recent applications have a lot more correct and better documentation. DNA test would be a good way to make sure that the documents people send with their application were correct. In the future I can see where they might use DNA test and the documents. Carol From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR We find the descendants of Daniel Robins on both sides during the Rev War. How many of them have been designated as Patriot Ancestors I don't know. I wonder about the accuracy of the DAR records used in the past. This is just my opinion but I think if DNA testing were to be a requirement a lot of their documentation would be found to be inaccurate. Years ago a friend of mine asked me to join the DAR & I told her I'm unable to join b ecause I don't have any Rev War ancestors, they were all Loyalists. She was president of the chapter & she laughed & said well we will just have to dig you up one. I told her that it didn't seem right to me. My understa nding is the DAR accepts Loyalist ancestors if they took the Oath of Allegiance so maybe I was eligible. However, I don't understand why anyone would want to join the DAR when their ancestors were Loyalists but it does happen. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:48 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR I'm wondering now, if there are any Robbins lineages that qualify for this distinction through direct bloodlines? I've never heard of any. My lineage has Civil War participants that have died in the line of duty, and have some ancestors that allow me to qualify, if I were a Canadian, to have the letters U. E. after my name, due to having been a Loyalis t in the Revolution. The last one above is pretty much in keeping with the theme of supporting the wrong side in battles, (Dunbar, etc...)isn't it. LOL --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Bettylou, > > I haven't seen this information before so thanks for sending it. I don't keep up on the DAR stuff & thought there were members here a lot more knowledgeable than I am on the subject. Thanks for giving me this info rmation. > Sara > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bettylou Steadman > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:51 PM > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR > > > > > Sara, > > I don't know if this is anything new to you, but I found the following information regarding the DAR: > > The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) is a lineage-based membership organization for women who are descended from a person involved in United States' independence. > > > > · lineage - definition of lineage by the Free Online Dictionary ... > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lineage - 39k - similar pages > > a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry. b. Derivation. 2. The descendants of a common ancestor considered to be the founder of the line. > > Definition of LINEAGE > a : descent in a line from a common progenitor b : derivation > > 2 > > : a group of individuals tracing descent from a common ancestor; especially : such a group of persons whose common ancestor is regarded as its founder > > > > > > Membership in DAR is open to all women who can prove lineal bloodline descent from an ancestor who aided in achieving United States independence, regardless of race or religion.[ > > The National Society of DAR is the final arbiter of the acceptability of all applications for membership. > > Various related categories of known historical figures are qualified as having participated, including: > > a.. Signatories of the United States Declaration of Independence; > b.. Military veterans of the American Revolutionary War, including State navies and militias, local militias, privateers, and French or Spanish soldiers and sailors who fought in the American theater of war; > c.. Civil servants of provisional or State governments, Continental Congress and State conventions and assemblies; > d.. Signers of Oath of Allegiance or Oath of Fidelity and Support; > e.. Participants in the Boston Tea Party; > f.. Prisoners of war, refugees, and defenders of fortresses and frontiers; doctors and nurses who aided Revolutionary casualties; and ministers, petitioners; > g.. Others who gave material or patriotic support to the Revolutionary caus > There is more information in the link below: > > > > www.learnwebskills.com/patriot/documentingthelineage.htm > > > > > > Bettylou > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sara > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 5/7/2012 3:57:13 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR > > > > Can anyone answer a question for me on the DAR & it's requirements for membership. I'm not trying to join but have been contacted by a relative looking for a Patriot Ancestor in our family tree. I told her she can 't use a certain person who the DAR has designated a Patriot Ancestor because she isn't a direct descendant. She says the DAR will accept any relationship, such as uncle, nephew, cousin on either the maternal or paterna l line. Is this correct? > Thanks, > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:439 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-05-08 18:01:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR Message: You are welcome. If you go to the DAR Library in DC you can pull files and see the documents they have for that Patriot. Doing this you can see which ones have the appropiated documents. Carol ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR   Carol,  So nice of you to join in the discussion & your comments are welcomed anytime. Thank you for the update on the status of what the DAR requires today.                                                                                         Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: C ROBBINS >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:10 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR > > >Sara, I am Chris Robbins' wife. >I am a very active member in DAR. Some of the older applications are NOT correct. Approval of Recent applications have a lot more correct and better documentation. DNA test would be a good way to make sure that the documents people send with their application were correct. In the future I can see where they might use DNA test and the documents. >Carol > > > > >________________________________ >From: Sara Hoffman >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:04 AM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR > > > >We find the descendants of Daniel Robins on both sides during the Rev War. How many of them have been designated as Patriot Ancestors I don't know. I wonder about the accuracy of the DAR records used in the past. Thi s is just my opinion but I think if DNA testing were to be a requirement a lot of their documentation would be found to be inaccurate. Years ago a friend of mine asked me to join the DAR & I told her I'm unable to join because I don't have any Rev War ancestors, they were all Loyalists. She was president of the chapter & she laughed & said well we will just have to dig you up one. I told her that it didn't seem right to me.  My understanding is the DAR accepts Loyalist ancestors if they took the Oath of Allegiance so maybe I was eligible. However, I don't understand why anyone would want to join the DAR when their ancestors were Lo yalists but it does happen. >                                                                             Sara >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rick >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:48 PM >>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DAR >> >> >>I'm wondering now, if there are any Robbins lineages that qualify for this distinction through direct bloodlines? I've never heard of any. >> >>My lineage has Civil War participants that have died in the line of duty, and have some ancestors that allow me to qualify, if I were a Canadian, to have the letters U. E. after my name, due to having been a Loyalist in the Revolution. >> >>The last one above is pretty much in keeping with the theme of supporting the wrong side in battles, (Dunbar, etc...)isn't it. LOL >> >>--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: >>> >>> Bettylou, >>> >>> I haven't seen this information before so thanks for sending it. I don't keep up on the DAR stuff & thought there were members here a lot more knowledgeable than I am on the subject. Thanks for giving me this inform ation. >>> Sara >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Bettylou Steadman >>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m >>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:51 PM >>> Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sara, >>> >>> I don't know if this is anything new to you, but I found the following information regarding the DAR: >>> >>> The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) is a lineage-based membership organization for women who are descended from a person involved in United States' independence. >>> >>> >>> >>> · lineage - definition of lineage by the Free Online Dictionary ... >>> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lineage - 39k - similar pages >>> >>> a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry. b. Derivation. 2. The descendants of a common ancestor considered to be the founder of the line. >>> >>> Definition of LINEAGE >>> a : descent in a line from a common progenitor b : derivation >>> >>> 2 >>> >>> : a group of individuals tracing descent from a common ancestor; especially : such a group of persons whose common ancestor is regarded as its founder >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Membership in DAR is open to all women who can prove lineal bloodline descent from an ancestor who aided in achieving United States independence, regardless of race or religion.[ >>> >>> The National Society of DAR is the final arbiter of the acceptability of all applications for membership. >>> >>> Various related categories of known historical figures are qualified as having participated, including: >>> >>> a.. Signatories of the United States Declaration of Independence; >>> b.. Military veterans of the American Revolutionary War, including State navies and militias, local militias, privateers, and French or Spanish soldiers and sailors who fought in the American theater of war; >>> c.. Civil servants of provisional or State governments, Continental Congress and State conventions and assemblies; >>> d.. Signers of Oath of Allegiance or Oath of Fidelity and Support; >>> e.. Participants in the Boston Tea Party; >>> f.. Prisoners of war, refugees, and defenders of fortresses and frontiers; doctors and nurses who aided Revolutionary casualties; and ministers, petitioners; >>> g.. Others who gave material or patriotic support to the Revolutionary caus >>> There is more information in the link below: >>> >>> >>> >>> www.learnwebskills.com/patriot/documentingthelineage.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Bettylou >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Sara >>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: 5/7/2012 3:57:13 PM >>> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR >>> >>> >>> >>> Can anyone answer a question for me on the DAR & it's requirements for membership. I'm not trying to join but have been contacted by a relative looking for a Patriot Ancestor in our family tree. I told her she can't use a certain person who the DAR has designated a Patriot Ancestor because she isn't a direct descendant. She says the DAR will accept any relationship, such as uncle, nephew, cousin on either the maternal or paternal line. Is this correct? >>> Thanks, >>> Sara >>> >> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:440 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-13 13:29:17 Subject:Happy Mother's Day! Message: Just thought that I would like to wish all the Moms in this group a happy Mother's Day, and a rememberance of all the Mothers in our families that have passed from this life, but remembered in our hearts, and in our gen ealogies. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:441 Sender:"ladyfan3" Post Date/Time:2012-05-13 13:34:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Happy Mother's Day! Message: Rick that is very nice of you thank you very much Shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:442 Sender:"Carol" Post Date/Time:2012-05-13 13:50:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Happy Mother's Day! Message: Thank you kindly Carol From: Rick Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 3:29 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Happy Mother's Day! Just thought that I would like to wish all the Moms in this group a happy Mother's Day, and a rememberance of all the Mothers in our families that have passed from this life, but remembered in our hearts, and in our gen ealogies. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4996 - Release Date: 05/13/12 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:443 Sender:"Peggy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2012-05-16 01:12:40 Subject:Robbins Knowlton Land Records Message: Hi, everyone. I have posted some land records from Knowlton, along with some imperfect transcriptions, at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pegrobbins Forgive the transcriptions - I dictated them rather than type them out. So the spellings, capitalization, etc. are not true to the original, but I think they are easier to read than some of the scans. I have a few more to add, but these are the Robbins deeds up to the exodus to Pennsylvania, with the exception of one in which William Robbins sold his land to a Belles after William had moved to PA. I will get that one loaded as soon as I get a chance. Peggy Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:444 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-05-16 19:41:41 Subject:Re: Robbins Knowlton Land Records Message: Thanks for that, Peggy, Most certainly a more direct relation to my bunch, but after the period that my direct ancestor left town for the wilds of Ontario. Isaac has been (from the previous board) listed as brother of m y Stephen through a deed from Knowlton around 1802. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Robbins" wrote: > > > > > > Hi, everyone. > > I have posted some land records from Knowlton, along with some imperfect > transcriptions, at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pegrobbins > > > > Forgive the transcriptions - I dictated them rather than type them out. So > the spellings, capitalization, etc. are not true to the original, but I > think they are easier to read than some of the scans. I have a few more > to add, but these are the Robbins deeds up to the exodus to Pennsylvania, > with the exception of one in which William Robbins sold his land to a Belles > after William had moved to PA. I will get that one loaded as soon as I get > a chance. > > > > Peggy Robbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:445 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-06-11 06:38:49 Subject:Fw: loyalists Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:446 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-06-11 12:05:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: loyalists Message: Dale, Do you have the bibliographic data (title, author, publisher, et al) for this scan? Thanks, Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:447 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-06-11 18:05:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: loyalists Message: So Obstinately Loyal, James Moody, 1744-1809 by Susan Burgess Shenstone, published in paperback by McGill-Queen's. ________________________________ From: "todd.d.robbins@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 11 June 2012, 15:05:04 Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: loyalists  Dale, Do you have the bibliographic data (title, author, publisher, et al) for this scan? Thanks, Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:448 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-06-11 18:08:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: loyalists Message: Fabulous! Thanks Dale. Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:449 Sender:"Bettylou Steadman" Post Date/Time:2012-07-22 15:57:50 Subject:Sara Robbins Hoffman Message: Has anyone heard from Sara lately? I am concerned because I have not had any e-mails from her, and when I tried to call her home phone number today, I got a message that it has been disconnected. Please let me know if you have heard anything. Bettylou Steadman wunderwoman@... EarthLink Revolves Around You. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:450 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-07-22 17:22:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara Robbins Hoffman Message: Bettylou, You must have dialed the wrong number as my phone number is the same one I've had here in Phoenix for 15 years. I can be reached at 480-342-9431. No address change either, live at the same home. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Bettylou Steadman To: robbinsfamilysociety ; Robbinsfamilysouthjersey Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara Robbins Hoffman Has anyone heard from Sara lately? I am concerned because I have not had any e-mails from her, and when I tried to call her home phone number today, I got a message that it has been disconnected. Please let me know if you have heard anything. Bettylou Steadman wunderwoman@... EarthLink Revolves Around You. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:451 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2012-07-22 17:27:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara Robbins Hoffman Message: WHEW!!!! Saved at the pass!!!! ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, July 22, 2012 5:22:41 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara Robbins Hoffman Bettylou, You must have dialed the wrong number as my phone number is the same one I've had here in Phoenix for 15 years. I can be reached at 480-342-9431. No address change either, live at the same home. Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: Bettylou Steadman >To: robbinsfamilysociety ; Robbinsfamilysouthjersey >Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 3:57 PM >Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara Robbins Hoffman > > >Has anyone heard from Sara lately? I am concerned because I have not had any >e-mails from her, and when I tried to call her home phone number today, I got >a message that it has been disconnected. Please let me know if you have >heard anything. > > >Bettylou Steadman >wunderwoman@earthlink.net >EarthLink Revolves Around You. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:452 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-09-07 18:33:59 Subject:Clint Eastwood Message: Since Clint Eastwood has been prominently featured in the news recently I thought the group may be interested to know he is a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant. His ancestor John Eastwood of Woodbridge, NJ married Lydia Thorpe 1690-1730 daughter of William & Lydia Robins Thorpe. Lydia Thorpe Eastwood was the grandaughter of Daniel & Hope. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:453 Sender:Robyn Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 07:22:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Clint Eastwood Message: Interesting. Being an :avoider" of media politics, I've missed nearly all of this, but it doesn illustrate what a small world this is. On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 01:33:59 -0000 Sara wrote: > Since Clint Eastwood has been prominently featured in >the news recently I thought the group may be interested >to know he is a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant. >His ancestor John Eastwood of Woodbridge, NJ married >Lydia Thorpe 1690-1730 daughter of William & Lydia Robins >Thorpe. Lydia Thorpe Eastwood was the grandaughter of >Daniel & Hope. > Sara Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:454 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 07:35:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Clint Eastwood Message: Interesting tidbit Sara. Who are the parents of Lydia (ROBINS) THORPE ? > Posted by: "Sara" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Fri Sep 7, 2012 6:34 pm ((PDT)) > > Since Clint Eastwood has been prominently featured in the news recently > I thought the group may be interested to know he is a Daniel & Hope > Potter Robins descendant. His ancestor John Eastwood of Woodbridge, NJ > married Lydia Thorpe 1690-1730 daughter of William & Lydia Robins > Thorpe. Lydia Thorpe Eastwood was the grandaughter of Daniel & Hope. > Sara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:455 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 08:24:17 Subject:Re: Clint Eastwood Message: So, as Lydia is a granddaughter of Daniel and Hope, I calculate that she is a first cousin, 8 times removed. What does that make Clint, relation wise? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > Interesting tidbit Sara. > > Who are the parents of Lydia (ROBINS) THORPE ? > > > > > Posted by: "Sara" july37@... turkeypt2 > > Date: Fri Sep 7, 2012 6:34 pm ((PDT)) > > > > Since Clint Eastwood has been prominently featured in the news recently > > I thought the group may be interested to know he is a Daniel & Hope > > Potter Robins descendant. His ancestor John Eastwood of Woodbridge, NJ > > married Lydia Thorpe 1690-1730 daughter of William & Lydia Robins > > Thorpe. Lydia Thorpe Eastwood was the grandaughter of Daniel & Hope. > > Sara > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:456 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 08:27:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Clint Eastwood Message: Lydia Thrope was born 1690 at Woodbridge & her parents were William Thorpe & Lydia Robins born July 25, 1668. Lydia Robins was the first child of Daniel & Hope to be born at Woodbridge. Wm & Lydia spent their lives at W oodbridge where they were associated with the 1st Presbyterian Church. Lydia & her brother Daniel Jr. inherited the New Haven land that Daniel Robins refers to in his will. This is the land Daniel Robins, Jr sold to Nat haniel & Samuel Potter in 1718. The land appears to have been what Hope inherited from her father William Potter. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Marshall Lake To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Cc: Sara Robins Hoffman Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Clint Eastwood Interesting tidbit Sara. Who are the parents of Lydia (ROBINS) THORPE ? > Posted by: "Sara" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Fri Sep 7, 2012 6:34 pm ((PDT)) > > Since Clint Eastwood has been prominently featured in the news recently > I thought the group may be interested to know he is a Daniel & Hope > Potter Robins descendant. His ancestor John Eastwood of Woodbridge, NJ > married Lydia Thorpe 1690-1730 daughter of William & Lydia Robins > Thorpe. Lydia Thorpe Eastwood was the grandaughter of Daniel & Hope. > Sara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:457 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 15:47:49 Subject:Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the descendants o f Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. If this is correct then Richard would have been a father at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't s eem likely to me Richard was Elisha's father. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:458 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 16:01:49 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Clint Eastwood Message: Rick, Each descendant of Daniel Robins would have a different degree of relationship to Clint Eastwood depending on their place on the family tree. However, he is a direct descendant of Daniel & Hope. I believe he is the 12th generation down the line from Daniel & Hope. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 8:24 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Clint Eastwood So, as Lydia is a granddaughter of Daniel and Hope, I calculate that she is a first cousin, 8 times removed. What does that make Clint, relation wise? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > Interesting tidbit Sara. > > Who are the parents of Lydia (ROBINS) THORPE ? > > > > > Posted by: "Sara" july37@... turkeypt2 > > Date: Fri Sep 7, 2012 6:34 pm ((PDT)) > > > > Since Clint Eastwood has been prominently featured in the news recently > > I thought the group may be interested to know he is a Daniel & Hope > > Potter Robins descendant. His ancestor John Eastwood of Woodbridge, NJ > > married Lydia Thorpe 1690-1730 daughter of William & Lydia Robins > > Thorpe. Lydia Thorpe Eastwood was the grandaughter of Daniel & Hope. > > Sara > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:459 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 16:07:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Clint Eastwood Message: Robyn, Someone placed a cut out life sized figure of Clint Eastwood dressed in a poncho & cowboy hat standing beside an empty chair along the highway near Glendale, CA. Not sure if this is a political statement or just folk ar t or both. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Robyn To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Clint Eastwood Interesting. Being an :avoider" of media politics, I've missed nearly all of this, but it doesn illustrate what a small world this is. On Sat, 08 Sep 2012 01:33:59 -0000 Sara wrote: > Since Clint Eastwood has been prominently featured in >the news recently I thought the group may be interested >to know he is a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant. >His ancestor John Eastwood of Woodbridge, NJ married >Lydia Thorpe 1690-1730 daughter of William & Lydia Robins >Thorpe. Lydia Thorpe Eastwood was the grandaughter of >Daniel & Hope. > Sara Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:460 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 17:09:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Actually we don't know that Elisha Robbins was desceased - there is a NC land grant to John Nation about 1759 of land that had been entered by Elisha Robbins several years before - the warrant to John Nation only states that Elisha Robbins was no longer in the province. And I agree that Richard was not old enough to be the father of anybody born about 1825. I wonder about the Elisha Jr. that died about 1763 in NJ. On the other hand, was Elisha Sr. in NJ during the 1750s? BTW, how is it known that Daniel Jr had a son Elisha and why is his birth estimated to be 1704? Thanks. Sara wrote: >Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the descendants of Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. If this is correct then Richard would have been a father at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't seem likely to me Richard was Elisha's father. > Sara > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:461 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 18:51:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: John, Tracey Marcelo located mortgage documents for Elisha & Joshua Robins of Amwell Hunterdon Co., NJ. witnessed by Job Robins of the same place on the same day March 25, 1737. I thought they were posted here in the files b ut don't see them. I have copies from Tracey. Maybe I'm dreaming or confused which certainly could be the case. However, I think Tracey located a document for either Joshua or Elisha that named his father as Daniel Robi ns. I went back & looked at the two documents I have & don't see the name Daniel Robins on either one. The only recorded birth dates for Daniel's 13 childten are Daniel III & Jonathan. Job, Elisha & Joshua are about dat es based on births of the first two sons. Of course there may have been some daughters in the mix. Since Tracey is a member hopefully she will inform us about the document I'm referencing. Looking at the Elisha Robins born abt. 1704 in NJ & the Elisha Robins b. abt. 1725 of NC, I was curious if there was an NJ/NC connection. Elisha Robins abt. 1704 may have been the same one who was named in the will of J ohn Severans of Trenton in 1732 along with Daniel, Jr. & Moses. When & where this Elisha died is unknown to me. An Elisha Robins, Jr. took the inventory of Tom Pettit of Sussex Co in 1758 & sold land in 1765 in Sussex C o. Maybe the son of Elisha 1704 but have no death place or date for him either. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Actually we don't know that Elisha Robbins was desceased - there is a NC land grant to John Nation about 1759 of land that had been entered by Elisha Robbins several years before - the warrant to John Nation only states that Elisha Robbins was no longer in the province. And I agree that Richard was not old enough to be the father of anybody born about 1825. I wonder about the Elisha Jr. that died about 1763 in NJ. On the other hand, was Elisha Sr. in NJ during the 1750s? BTW, how is it known that Daniel Jr had a son Elisha and why is his birth estimated to be 1704? Thanks. Sara wrote: >Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the descendant s of Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. If this is correct then Richard would have been a father at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn' t seem likely to me Richard was Elisha's father. > Sara > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:462 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 19:05:09 Subject:Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Hi all, Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is in it. Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel was his father. But the property in the other mortgages including Elisha's HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. Tracey ==================================== Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" tmarcelo@... marcelofamilytx Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) Hunterdon Co. Mortgages I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. Mortgages 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used microfilms from my local LDS family history center.) The mortgages I looked at are: Joshua Robins No. 8 (Amos Thatcher No. 9) Elisha Robins No. 10 Isaac Robins No. 20 I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages No. 8 (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 (Elisha Robins') were all witnessed by Job Robins. All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same day: March 27, 1737. The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate that the property in each case had originally been owned by "Daniel Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to him as "Daniel Robins deceased." And Isaac's mor tgage specifically says that Daniel Robins deceased was his father. (Also, I was able to match the description of Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel Robins.) Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died between 1733 (when the article was written about him) and March 27 1737 when these mortgages were made. I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was involved in each of the four mortgages. Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made two of Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of Isaac's after his death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, several people paid Isaac's mortgage over the years , including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, and Richard Lanning. In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the Isaac Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the Isaac with the mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it seems he was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure if that's been proven.) So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his sons...but of course we know that not all children are named in a will! I suppose we can conclude that they are SOMEHOW related to Job. I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a mortgage. Can we assume these men were at least 21 years old or older? (If so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) Lots to ponder!! I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ Below are my transcriptions of each. ========================================== JOSHUA ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 8 Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty t hree chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty fi fth day of March Anno Domini 1737. Joshua Robins Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins Note from Tracey: This property seems to match the survey transcribed in Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222: Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) T hence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became Morris County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. LDS Film#946855 No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27th 1738 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon March 27th 1739 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. April 30th 1742 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and 3 pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 6th 1742 Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. April the 28th 1743 Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 24th 1746 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. ============================================ AMOS THATCHER: LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 9 Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the Commissioners of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon the follow ing tract of Land Messuage and plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as followeth Viz. Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to another stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight links to another stone corner, thence North twenty five chains and a half to a stone corner in John Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins l and thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins LDS Film#946855 No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27 1738 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26 1739 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1740 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and 6 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1741 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 29th 1742 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1743 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1746 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 25th 1751 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. ================================================================ ELISHA ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 10 Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the consideration of twenty pounds to him in hand paid the consignees of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon on the aforesaid tract of Land Messauge & plantation Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted and bounded as followeth Vizt Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine links to a stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West Twenty eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Elisha Robins Signed in the presence of Job Robins James Neilson LDS Film#946855 No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 27 1739 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1740 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1741 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shillings and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1742 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 20 1743 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26 1744 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 26 1745 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound sixteen shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 8 1746 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1747 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year and also at the same time he paid the sum of seven pounds ten shillings in full discharge of the within mortgage. ====================================================== ISAAC ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 20 Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the commissioners of the Land Office of the County of H unterdon All that tract of Land Messauges & plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & Bounded as follows Viz On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Land formerly ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased father to the said Isaac Robins formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred Acres In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Isaac Robins Signed in presence of James Neilson Jacob Kinney LDS Film#946855 No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27th 1738 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 27th 1739 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 29th 1740 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds ten shillings. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1741 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 6th 1742 Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1743 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1746 Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. ===================================================== --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara" wrote: > > Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the descendants of Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. If this is correct then Richard would have been a father at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't seem likely to me Richard was Elisha's father. > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:463 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 19:41:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Tracey, Thanks so much for your input. This is exactly what I was referencing. I appreciate the work you do on the Robins family. You were the first to discover these documents & the one that confirms Isaac was the son of Danie l Robins. Although no document has been located that specifically states Elisha & Joshua were also Daniel's sons I believe the evidence you presented is enough to link them as sons. Job Robins' will mentions his mother Mary who was living in 1758, an indication she was most likely Mary (mnu) the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr. Regarding Elisha & the possiblity that one of the NJ Elisha's went to NC. Has any DNA testing been done on the Elisha of NC descendants? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: marcelofamilytx To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:05 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Hi all, Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is in it. Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel was his father. But the property in the other mortgages including Elisha's HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. Tracey ==================================== Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" tmarcelo@... marcelofamilytx Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) Hunterdon Co. Mortgages I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. Mortgages 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used microfilms from my local LDS family history center.) The mortgages I looked at are: Joshua Robins No. 8 (Amos Thatcher No. 9) Elisha Robins No. 10 Isaac Robins No. 20 I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages No. 8 (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 (Elisha Robins') were all witnessed by Job Robins. All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same day: March 27, 1737. The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate that the property in each case had originally been owned by "Daniel Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to him as "Daniel Robins deceased." And Isaac's mortg age specifically says that Daniel Robins deceased was his father. (Also, I was able to match the description of Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel Robins.) Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died between 1733 (when the article was written about him) and March 27 1737 when these mortgages were made. I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was involved in each of the four mortgages. Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made two of Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of Isaac's after his death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, several people paid Isaac's mortgage over the years, including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, and Richard Lanning. In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the Isaac Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the Isaac with the mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it seems he was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure if that's been proven.) So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his sons...but of course we know that not all children are named in a will! I suppose we can conclude that they are SOMEHOW related to Job. I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a mortgage. Can we assume these men were at least 21 years old or older? (If so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) Lots to ponder!! I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ Below are my transcriptions of each. ========================================== JOSHUA ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 8 Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County o f Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty thr ee chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty fift h day of March Anno Domini 1737. Joshua Robins Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins Note from Tracey: This property seems to match the survey transcribed in Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222: Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) The nce Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became Morris County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract o f 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. LDS Film#946855 No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27th 1738 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon March 27th 1739 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. April 30th 1742 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and 3 pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 6th 1742 Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. April the 28th 1743 Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 24th 1746 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. ============================================ AMOS THATCHER: LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 9 Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the Commissioners of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon the followin g tract of Land Messuage and plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as followeth Viz. Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to an other stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight links to another stone corner, thence North twenty five chains and a half to a stone corner in John Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins lan d thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins LDS Film#946855 No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27 1738 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26 1739 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1740 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and 6 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1741 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 29th 1742 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1743 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1746 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 25th 1751 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. ================================================================ ELISHA ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 10 Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the consideration of twenty pounds to him in hand paid the consignees of the Land Office of the County of H unterdon on the aforesaid tract of Land Messauge & plantation Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted and bounded as followeth Vizt Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine li nks to a stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West Twenty eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Elisha Robins Signed in the presence of Job Robins James Neilson LDS Film#946855 No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 27 1739 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1740 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1741 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shillings and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1742 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 20 1743 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26 1744 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 26 1745 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound sixteen shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 8 1746 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1747 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year and also at the same time he paid the sum of seven pounds ten shillings i n full discharge of the within mortgage. ====================================================== ISAAC ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 20 Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the commissioners of the Land Office of the County of Hun terdon All that tract of Land Messauges & plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & Bounded as follows Viz On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Land fo rmerly ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased father to the said Isaac Robins - formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred Acres In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Isaac Robins Signed in presence of James Neilson Jacob Kinney LDS Film#946855 No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27th 1738 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 27th 1739 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 29th 1740 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds ten shillings. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1741 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 6th 1742 Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1743 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1746 Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. ===================================================== --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara" wrote: > > Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the descendan ts of Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. If this is correct then Richard would have been a father at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn 't seem likely to me Richard was Elisha's father. > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:464 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-09-08 19:51:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Contrary to the fictional NC Robbins genealogies, no children of Elisha Robbins are known - the one most often falsely stated as a child was Jacob who is now proven to be a son of Richard. Sara Hoffman wrote: > > > Tracey, > > Thanks so much for your input. This is exactly what I was referencing. > I appreciate the work you do on the Robins family. You were the first > to discover these documents & the one that confirms Isaac was the son > of Daniel Robins. Although no document has been located that > specifically states Elisha & Joshua were also Daniel's sons I > believe the evidence you presented is enough to link them as sons. Job > Robins' will mentions his mother Mary who was living in 1758, an > indication she was most likely Mary (mnu) the second wife of Daniel > Robins, Jr. Regarding Elisha & the possiblity that one of the > NJ Elisha's went to NC. Has any DNA testing been done on the Elisha of > NC descendants? > > Sara > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marcelofamilytx > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:05 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > > > Hi all, > > Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the > mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is in it. > Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel was his > father. But the property in the other mortgages including Elisha's > HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. > > Tracey > ==================================== > > Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 > Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" tmarcelo@... > marcelofamilytx > Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) > > Hunterdon Co. Mortgages > > I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. Mortgages > 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used microfilms from my > local LDS family history center.) > > The mortgages I looked at are: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > (Amos Thatcher No. 9) > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages No. 8 > (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 (Elisha Robins') > were all witnessed by Job Robins. > > All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same day: > March 27, 1737. > > The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate that the > property in each case had originally been owned by "Daniel > Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to him as "Daniel Robins > deceased." And Isaac's mortgage specifically says that Daniel > Robins deceased was his father. (Also, I was able to match the > description of > Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel Robins.) > > Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? > If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died between 1733 > (when the article was written about him) and March 27 1737 when > these mortgages were made. > > I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was involved in > each of the four mortgages. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos > Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. > > In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made two of > Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of Isaac's after his > death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, several people paid Isaac's > mortgage over the years, including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, > and Richard Lanning. > > In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the Isaac > Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the Isaac with the > mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) > > Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it seems he > was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure if that's been proven.) > > So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? > > Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. > That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his sons...but of > course we know that not all children are named in a will! I > suppose we can conclude that they are SOMEHOW related to Job. > > I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a mortgage. > Can we assume these men were at least 21 years old or older? (If > so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) > > Lots to ponder!! > > I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ > > > Below are my transcriptions of each. > > ========================================== > JOSHUA ROBINS > LDS Film # 1028302 > Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > Account Books and Mortgages > No. 8 > Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the County of > Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for Consideration of > Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the Commisioners of the Loan > Office of the County of Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of > Land Situate in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and > is butted and bounded as follows VIZ > Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport's land > and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six > chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly > Sixty Degrees sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked > DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner > maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty > three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three > hundred and thirty three acres. In witness whereof I have hereunto > Set my hand The Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. > Joshua Robins > Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins > > Note from Tracey: > This property seems to match the survey transcribed in Robins, > Robbins of New Jersey page 222: > Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington > (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins > By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing > date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto > Daniel Robbins in _____________________ > ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County > Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land > thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner > marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three > chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. > Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple > tree marked K (4) > Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first > highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and > approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded > John Wills Clerk > Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor > Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became Morris > County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. > Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: "David Zofrin (Sovereign) > bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged > originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called > Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins > settled in Amwell twp. > > LDS Film#946855 > No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats > the specifics of the agreement and property description and > provides the terms of the mortgage.) > Hunterdon April 27th 1738 > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings being part > of Twenty pounds. > Interest due thereon for one year. > > Hunterdon March 27th 1739 > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings and nine > pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings and six > pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > April 30th 1742 > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and 3 pence > being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > Hunterdon April 6th 1742 > Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part of Twenty > pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > April the 28th 1743 > Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and nine > pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and six pence > being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence > being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > Hunterdon April 24th 1746 > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of > Twenty pounds. > Interest due thereon for one year. > > Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine > pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two shillings > and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon > for one year. > > Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings and > three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > one year. > > Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of > Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > ============================================ > > AMOS THATCHER: > LDS Film # 1028302 > > Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > Account Books and Mortgages > No. 9 > Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon > Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand > paid by the Commissioners of the Land Office of the County of > Hunterdon the following tract of Land Messuage and plantation > situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as > followeth Viz. > Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of his Land > Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his line East Twenty > four chains to a stone being corner of Job Robins' land, thence > North seven chains to another stone corner, thence East eight > chains and twenty eight links to another stone corner, thence > North twenty > five chains and a half to a stone corner in John Lewis'(?) line, > thereby the same West thirty two chains & twenty eight links to a > stone corner in the said line, thence South by the remaining part > of Elisha Robins land thirty five chains & a half to the corner > first mentioned containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I > have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March Anno > Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. > Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins > > LDS Film#946855 > > No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats > the specifics of the agreement and property description and > provides the terms of the mortgage.) > Hunterdon April 27 1738 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being > part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 26 1739 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and > nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 24 1740 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and 6 > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 30 1741 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and 3 > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 29th 1742 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal > of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 28th 1743 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > One year. > > Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > One year. > > Hunterdon April 28th 1746 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of > principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > One year. > > Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > One year. > > Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of > principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 25th 1751 > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and nine > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > ================================================================ > ELISHA ROBINS > > LDS Film # 1028302 > Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > Account Books and Mortgages > No. 10 > Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon > Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the consideration of > twenty pounds to him in hand paid the consignees of the Land > Office of the County of Hunterdon on the aforesaid tract of Land > Messauge & plantation Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid > is butted > and bounded as followeth Vizt > > Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in > Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a > halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty > Eight chains & fifty nine links to a stone corner thence South > Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West > Twenty > eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning > containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto > set my hand the Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 > Elisha Robins > Signed in the presence of > Job Robins > James Neilson > > LDS Film#946855 > No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats > the specifics of the agreement and property description and > provides the terms of the mortgage.) > > Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being > part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon March 27 1739 > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and > nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 24 1740 > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 24 1741 > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shillings and 3 > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 30 1742 > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal > of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 20 1743 > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 26 1744 > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > One year. > > Hunterdon March 26 1745 > Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound sixteen > shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty > pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 8 1746 > Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty five > shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 30 1747 > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year and also at the same time he paid the sum of > seven pounds ten shillings in full discharge of the within mortgage. > ====================================================== > ISAAC ROBINS > > LDS Film # 1028302 > > Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > Account Books and Mortgages > No. 20 > Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon > Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the consideration of Twenty > pounds to him in hand paid by the commissioners of the Land Office > of the County of Hunterdon All that tract of Land Messauges & > plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted > & Bounded as follows Viz > On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on the North > by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas Hunt & Nathaniel > Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon being part & parcel of a > Larger tract of Land formerly ?surveyed for said John Haddon being > part and parcel of a largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for > the said John Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins > Deceased father to the said > Isaac Robins - formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred Acres > In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day of March > Anno Domini 1737 > Isaac Robins > Signed in presence of > James Neilson > Jacob Kinney > > LDS Film#946855 > > No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats > the specifics of the agreement and property description and > provides the terms of the mortgage.) > > Hunterdon April 27th 1738 > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five shillings being > part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon March 27th 1739 > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings being > part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 29th 1740 > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six > pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds ten shillings. > Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 30th 1741 > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and three > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 6th 1742 > Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty shillings being > part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 28th 1743 > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > One year. > > Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six pence > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > One year. > > Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty six > shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty > pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five > shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty > pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 24th 1746 > Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of Thirty five > shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > One year. > > Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two shillings > and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest > due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one shillings > and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest > due thereon for One year. > > Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of > principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > ===================================================== > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > , "Sara" > wrote: > > > > Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of Daniel > Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 ? & d. > 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA > testing on the descendants of Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say > Elisha Robbins b. 1725 may have been the son of Richard Robbins > 1710/12 of NC. If this is correct then Richard would have been a > father at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't seem likely to > me Richard was Elisha's father. > > Sara > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:465 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2012-09-09 06:15:01 Subject:Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Hi, I'm glad I can help! The other notes I have about Elisha Robins in the Hunterdon and Sussex Co. areas are: 1754 Sussex May Session 1754 The King vs Charles McConnell The Defendt Being Charged with this Indictment pleads Not Guilty ? Harrell file May 30th 1754 Russell Clerk(?) ? Billa Vora ? William Scholey? Foreman Evidence for the King: Elisha Robins's wife Joshua Robins Elis. Robins's daughter Joshua Robins Jun. Perkins (?) Lovell Richd. Slough Elisha Coller Eliz. Hadly (?) Hazen Province of New Jersey County of Sussex The Grand Inquest for our Sovereign Lord King for the Body of the County of Sussex Being (then and then) Duly Charged Sworn and Affirmed upon the Respective Oath and Affirmation of at least twelve honorable and Lawful l men of the said County, Do present That Charles McConnell late of New Town in the County of Sussex aforesaid yeoman Being a person of a Turbulant, Malitious, and Malevolent Principal and Disposition and Designing Con triving and and Jonathan Smalley to prejudice and Injure the fifth day of April in the Twenty Seventh year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord George the Second by the Grace of God of Great Britain France and Irelan d King Defender of the faith. At New Town aforesaid in the County of Sussex aforesaid and within the jurisdiction of this Court a Certain Roan Coloured Mare the property of the aforesaid Jonathan Smalley (then and t here) with a certain knife or some other sharp weapon, did unlawfully wickedly and maliciously (in the Belly of the said Mare) Stab, Cutt and wound, By which said to the great damage of th e said Jonathan Smalley and most purnatious [pernicious?] Example of all others in such case Delinquent and against the peace of our said Sovereign Lord the King that nowis his Crown and Dignity. Harrell, AS Genl. 1757: Elisha Robins, Sussex County, name on petition, May 11, 1757, to the Governor, etc. from inhabitants of Sussex Co., "the most Exposed to the Enemy of any County". They cannot work on their land or conduct business needed to maintain their families & request help to guard the frontier". (Don't know source...possibly the same as the source below.) 1759: Source: Manuscript Collection-SAH: Oversized (New Jersey State Archives), Box 1-41, folder 5. Joshua Robins, Sussex County, name on a petition, May 15, 1759, to Governor Jonathan Belcher and Council from the inhabitants of Sussex County, on a frontier of the province next to Pennsylvania, asking that greater efforts be made to defend the province against the French and Indians Elisha Robins was the only other Robins to sign the same petition on May 15, 1759. John D. Stemmons compiled a publication "New Jersey Petitions 1755-1764" with all the names of the signers of NJ petitions between 1755-1764 in alphabetical order. 1763: 1763, Nov. 28. Robins, Elislia. Jr., of Newton, Sussex Co., yeoman. Int. Adm'r Elisha Robins. Fellowbondsman Ephraim Darby; both of said place. 1763, Nov. 28. Inventory, £78.4.11, made by John Loder and William Tharp. Lib. 12, p. 5. 1766: "To be sold at Public Vendue, at the Court-House in Sussex County, on Tuesday the 26th of November next [1766]. "A tract of Land lying in the Township of New-town, in the County of Sussex, and Province of New-Jersey, on the head Branch of Pawlins Kill, and divided into the following Lots of Farms, viz. [namely]: "No. 1 168 Acres, in Possession of Mathas Snook No. 2 209 John Loder No. 3 143 Not tenanted [No listing for Lot No. 4] No. 5 250 Daniel & Colin M'Kennie No. 6 173 Leonard Weidner No. 7 140 Elisha Robins No. 8 157 Elisha Robins No. 9 144 Benjamin Brewer No. 10 152 Nicholas Yost No. 11 211 Peter Cass [No listing for Lot No. 12] [Total listing of 1,747 acres of land, or about 2-3/4 square miles. With Lots 4 and 12 added in, the tract would have exceeded 3 square miles.] "This Tract of Land lies about Six Miles from Sussex Court House, and five from Andover Iron Works, which is a good Market for all Kinds of Country Produce; and the great Road to Goshen runs thro- it: It is exceeding we ll water'd by Springs and Brooks; well accommodated with Meadow Land, and fine Swamps, and a sufficient Quantity of Wheat Land, level and clear of Stones, and as good in quality as any upland in Sussex County. One Sixth part of the Purchase Money to be paid on the 1st Day of May, 1766. One sixth on the first Day of November, 1766. One sixth on the first Day of May, 1767, all without Interest; and the remaining Three-sixths secured by a Mortgage, or other satisfactory Security, may be paid as may suit the Conveniency of the purchaser. The Lands will be shewn by Elisha Robins, living on the Premises, or Robert Allen; Living at Pepack, in Somerset Coun ty. And any Person choosing to Purchase at private Sale, may apply to said Robert Allen, who has a Power to agree for the same. The Title is indisputable, and good and sufficient Deeds will be given to the Purchasers, b y JAMES PARKER." [James Parker owned the deeds and titles to the entire tract of land. The lands were shown to prospective buyers by Elisha Robins, tenant of sections 7 and 8. Robert Allen of Pepack, Somerset County, acted as land agent . Section 1, comprised of 168 acres, was listed as "in possession of" Mathias Snook. Section 11, comprised of 211 acres, was listed as "ditto" Peter Cass.] 1793 NJ tax list: Name: Elisha Robins State: NJ County: Sussex County Township: Hardwick Year: 1793 Record Type: June Tax List Database: NJ Tax Lists Index 1772-1822 Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > Contrary to the fictional NC Robbins genealogies, no children of Elisha > Robbins are known - the one most often falsely stated as a child was > Jacob who is now proven to be a son of Richard. > > > > Sara Hoffman wrote: > > > > > > > Tracey, > > > > Thanks so much for your input. This is exactly what I was referencing. > > I appreciate the work you do on the Robins family. You were the first > > to discover these documents & the one that confirms Isaac was the son > > of Daniel Robins. Although no document has been located that > > specifically states Elisha & Joshua were also Daniel's sons I > > believe the evidence you presented is enough to link them as sons. Job > > Robins' will mentions his mother Mary who was living in 1758, an > > indication she was most likely Mary (mnu) the second wife of Daniel > > Robins, Jr. Regarding Elisha & the possiblity that one of the > > NJ Elisha's went to NC. Has any DNA testing been done on the Elisha of > > NC descendants? > > > > Sara > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: marcelofamilytx > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:05 PM > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the > > mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is in it. > > Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel was his > > father. But the property in the other mortgages including Elisha's > > HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. > > > > Tracey > > ==================================== > > > > Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 > > Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" tmarcelo@... > > marcelofamilytx > > Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) > > > > Hunterdon Co. Mortgages > > > > I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. Mortgages > > 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used microfilms from my > > local LDS family history center.) > > > > The mortgages I looked at are: > > Joshua Robins No. 8 > > (Amos Thatcher No. 9) > > Elisha Robins No. 10 > > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > > > I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages No. 8 > > (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 (Elisha Robins') > > were all witnessed by Job Robins. > > > > All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same day: > > March 27, 1737. > > > > The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate that the > > property in each case had originally been owned by "Daniel > > Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to him as "Daniel Robins > > deceased." And Isaac's mortgage specifically says that Daniel > > Robins deceased was his father. (Also, I was able to match the > > description of > > Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel Robins.) > > > > Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? > > If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died between 1733 > > (when the article was written about him) and March 27 1737 when > > these mortgages were made. > > > > I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was involved in > > each of the four mortgages. > > > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos > > Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. > > > > In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made two of > > Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of Isaac's after his > > death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, several people paid Isaac's > > mortgage over the years, including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, > > and Richard Lanning. > > > > In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the Isaac > > Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the Isaac with the > > mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) > > > > Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it seems he > > was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure if that's been proven.) > > > > So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? > > > > Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. > > That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his sons...but of > > course we know that not all children are named in a will! I > > suppose we can conclude that they are SOMEHOW related to Job. > > > > I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a mortgage. > > Can we assume these men were at least 21 years old or older? (If > > so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) > > > > Lots to ponder!! > > > > I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ > > > > > > Below are my transcriptions of each. > > > > ========================================== > > JOSHUA ROBINS > > LDS Film # 1028302 > > Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > > Account Books and Mortgages > > No. 8 > > Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the County of > > Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for Consideration of > > Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the Commisioners of the Loan > > Office of the County of Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of > > Land Situate in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and > > is butted and bounded as follows VIZ > > Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport's land > > and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six > > chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly > > Sixty Degrees sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked > > DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner > > maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty > > three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three > > hundred and thirty three acres. In witness whereof I have hereunto > > Set my hand The Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. > > Joshua Robins > > Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins > > > > Note from Tracey: > > This property seems to match the survey transcribed in Robins, > > Robbins of New Jersey page 222: > > Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington > > (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins > > By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing > > date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto > > Daniel Robbins in _____________________ > > ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County > > Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land > > thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner > > marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three > > chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. > > Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple > > tree marked K (4) > > Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first > > highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and > > approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded > > John Wills Clerk > > Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor > > Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became Morris > > County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. > > Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: "David Zofrin (Sovereign) > > bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged > > originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called > > Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins > > settled in Amwell twp. > > > > LDS Film#946855 > > No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats > > the specifics of the agreement and property description and > > provides the terms of the mortgage.) > > Hunterdon April 27th 1738 > > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings being part > > of Twenty pounds. > > Interest due thereon for one year. > > > > Hunterdon March 27th 1739 > > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings and nine > > pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > > > Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 > > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings and six > > pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > > > April 30th 1742 > > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and 3 pence > > being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > > > Hunterdon April 6th 1742 > > Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part of Twenty > > pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > > > April the 28th 1743 > > Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and nine > > pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > > > Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > > Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and six pence > > being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > > > Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence > > being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > > > Hunterdon April 24th 1746 > > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of > > Twenty pounds. > > Interest due thereon for one year. > > > > Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine > > pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > > > Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > > Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two shillings > > and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon > > for one year. > > > > Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > > Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings and > > three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > > one year. > > > > Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > > Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of > > Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > > > > ============================================ > > > > AMOS THATCHER: > > LDS Film # 1028302 > > > > Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > > Account Books and Mortgages > > No. 9 > > Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon > > Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand > > paid by the Commissioners of the Land Office of the County of > > Hunterdon the following tract of Land Messuage and plantation > > situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as > > followeth Viz. > > Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of his Land > > Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his line East Twenty > > four chains to a stone being corner of Job Robins' land, thence > > North seven chains to another stone corner, thence East eight > > chains and twenty eight links to another stone corner, thence > > North twenty > > five chains and a half to a stone corner in John Lewis'(?) line, > > thereby the same West thirty two chains & twenty eight links to a > > stone corner in the said line, thence South by the remaining part > > of Elisha Robins land thirty five chains & a half to the corner > > first mentioned containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I > > have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March Anno > > Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. > > Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins > > > > LDS Film#946855 > > > > No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats > > the specifics of the agreement and property description and > > provides the terms of the mortgage.) > > Hunterdon April 27 1738 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being > > part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 26 1739 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and > > nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 24 1740 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and 6 > > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 30 1741 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and 3 > > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 29th 1742 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal > > of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 28th 1743 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine > > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence > > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > > One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence > > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > > One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 28th 1746 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of > > principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine > > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence > > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > > One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence > > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > > One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of > > principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 25th 1751 > > Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and nine > > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > ================================================================ > > ELISHA ROBINS > > > > LDS Film # 1028302 > > Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > > Account Books and Mortgages > > No. 10 > > Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon > > Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the consideration of > > twenty pounds to him in hand paid the consignees of the Land > > Office of the County of Hunterdon on the aforesaid tract of Land > > Messauge & plantation Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid > > is butted > > and bounded as followeth Vizt > > > > Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in > > Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a > > halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty > > Eight chains & fifty nine links to a stone corner thence South > > Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West > > Twenty > > eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning > > containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto > > set my hand the Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 > > Elisha Robins > > Signed in the presence of > > Job Robins > > James Neilson > > > > LDS Film#946855 > > No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats > > the specifics of the agreement and property description and > > provides the terms of the mortgage.) > > > > Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 > > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being > > part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon March 27 1739 > > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and > > nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 24 1740 > > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six > > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 24 1741 > > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shillings and 3 > > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 30 1742 > > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal > > of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 20 1743 > > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine > > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 26 1744 > > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence > > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > > One year. > > > > Hunterdon March 26 1745 > > Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound sixteen > > shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty > > pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 8 1746 > > Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty five > > shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 30 1747 > > Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine > > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year and also at the same time he paid the sum of > > seven pounds ten shillings in full discharge of the within mortgage. > > ====================================================== > > ISAAC ROBINS > > > > LDS Film # 1028302 > > > > Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > > Account Books and Mortgages > > No. 20 > > Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon > > Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the consideration of Twenty > > pounds to him in hand paid by the commissioners of the Land Office > > of the County of Hunterdon All that tract of Land Messauges & > > plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted > > & Bounded as follows Viz > > On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on the North > > by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas Hunt & Nathaniel > > Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon being part & parcel of a > > Larger tract of Land formerly ?surveyed for said John Haddon being > > part and parcel of a largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for > > the said John Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins > > Deceased father to the said > > Isaac Robins - formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred Acres > > In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day of March > > Anno Domini 1737 > > Isaac Robins > > Signed in presence of > > James Neilson > > Jacob Kinney > > > > LDS Film#946855 > > > > No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats > > the specifics of the agreement and property description and > > provides the terms of the mortgage.) > > > > Hunterdon April 27th 1738 > > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five shillings being > > part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon March 27th 1739 > > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings being > > part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 29th 1740 > > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six > > pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds ten shillings. > > Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 30th 1741 > > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and three > > pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 6th 1742 > > Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty shillings being > > part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 28th 1743 > > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence > > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > > One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six pence > > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > > One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > > Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty six > > shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty > > pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > > Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five > > shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty > > pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 24th 1746 > > Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of Thirty five > > shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due > > thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence > > being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > > One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > > Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two shillings > > and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest > > due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > > Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one shillings > > and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest > > due thereon for One year. > > > > Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > > Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of > > principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > > ===================================================== > > > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > , "Sara" > > wrote: > > > > > > Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of Daniel > > Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 ? & d. > > 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA > > testing on the descendants of Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say > > Elisha Robbins b. 1725 may have been the son of Richard Robbins > > 1710/12 of NC. If this is correct then Richard would have been a > > father at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't seem likely to > > me Richard was Elisha's father. > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:466 Sender: Post Date/Time:2012-09-09 06:29:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: HI Group I wonder if my Daniel is related to the ones you are talking about because I have a Joshua and a Elisha in the family and Isaac and my Daniel was from NC as well and they were 2 Joshua here so have you looked at this Daniel and Joshua Robbins . they do the name pattern back then in the family thanks Shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:467 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-09 10:47:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Shirley, I have no idea if your Daniel from NC is related to the NJ Daniel Robins family. I'm trying to sort out some of the early Robins/Robbins in NJ that have no known death date or place. Who is your earliest known Robbins a ncestor & dates if you have them? Yes all the names you mention appear in the NJ Daniel Robins family. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: ladyfan3@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 HI Group I wonder if my Daniel is related to the ones you are talking about because I have a Joshua and a Elisha in the family and Isaac and my Daniel was from NC as well and they were 2 Joshua here so have you looked at this Daniel and Joshua Robbins . they do the name pattern back then in the family thanks Shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:468 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-09 11:04:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: John, According to the research of Sarah Robbins Lehman, Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 of NC & died about or after 1759. He had two wives Mary Wade & Hepsibeth ? with a total of 7 children between both wives. Is this the same E lisha you say had no children? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Contrary to the fictional NC Robbins genealogies, no children of Elisha Robbins are known - the one most often falsely stated as a child was Jacob who is now proven to be a son of Richard. Sara Hoffman wrote: Tracey, Thanks so much for your input. This is exactly what I was referencing. I appreciate the work you do on the Robins family. You were the first to discover these documents & the one that confirms Isaac was the son of D aniel Robins. Although no document has been located that specifically states Elisha & Joshua were also Daniel's sons I believe the evidence you presented is enough to link them as sons. Job Robins' will mentions his mot her Mary who was living in 1758, an indication she was most likely Mary (mnu) the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr. Regarding Elisha & the possiblity that one of the NJ Elisha's went to NC. Has any DNA testing been done on the Elisha of NC descendants? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: marcelofamilytx To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:05 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Hi all, Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is in it. Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel was his father. But the property in the other mortgages including Elisha's HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. Tracey ==================================== Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" tmarcelo@... marcelofamilytx Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) Hunterdon Co. Mortgages I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. Mortgages 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used microfilms from my local LDS family history center.) The mortgages I looked at are: Joshua Robins No. 8 (Amos Thatcher No. 9) Elisha Robins No. 10 Isaac Robins No. 20 I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages No. 8 (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 (Elisha Robins') were all witnessed by Job Robins. All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same day: March 27, 1737. The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate that the property in each case had originally been owned by "Daniel Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to him as "Daniel Robins deceased." And Isaac's m ortgage specifically says that Daniel Robins deceased was his father. (Also, I was able to match the description of Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel Robins.) Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died between 1733 (when the article was written about him) and March 27 1737 when these mortgages were made. I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was involved in each of the four mortgages. Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made two of Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of Isaac's after his death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, several people paid Isaac's mortgage over the yea rs, including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, and Richard Lanning. In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the Isaac Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the Isaac with the mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it seems he was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure if that's been proven.) So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his sons...but of course we know that not all children are named in a will! I suppose we can conclude that they are SOMEHOW related to Job. I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a mortgage. Can we assume these men were at least 21 years old or older? (If so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) Lots to ponder!! I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ Below are my transcriptions of each. ========================================== JOSHUA ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 8 Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the Commisioners of the Loan Office of the Coun ty of Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. Joshua Robins Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins Note from Tracey: This property seems to match the survey transcribed in Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222: Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became Morris County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tra ct of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. LDS Film#946855 No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27th 1738 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon March 27th 1739 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. April 30th 1742 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and 3 pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 6th 1742 Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. April the 28th 1743 Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 24th 1746 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. ============================================ AMOS THATCHER: LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 9 Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the Commissioners of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon the foll owing tract of Land Messuage and plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as followeth Viz. Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains t o another stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight links to another stone corner, thence North twenty five chains and a half to a stone corner in John Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins land thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins LDS Film#946855 No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27 1738 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26 1739 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1740 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and 6 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1741 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 29th 1742 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1743 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1746 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 25th 1751 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. ================================================================ ELISHA ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 10 Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the consideration of twenty pounds to him in hand paid the consignees of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon on the aforesaid tract of Land Messauge & plantation Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted and bounded as followeth Vizt Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nin e links to a stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West Twenty eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Elisha Robins Signed in the presence of Job Robins James Neilson LDS Film#946855 No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 27 1739 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1740 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1741 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shillings and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1742 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 20 1743 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26 1744 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 26 1745 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound sixteen shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 8 1746 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1747 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year and also at the same time he paid the sum of seven pounds ten shillin gs in full discharge of the within mortgage. ====================================================== ISAAC ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 20 Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the commissioners of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon All that tract of Land Messauges & plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & Bounded as follows Viz On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Lan d formerly ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased father to the said Isaac Robins - formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred Acres In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Isaac Robins Signed in presence of James Neilson Jacob Kinney LDS Film#946855 No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27th 1738 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 27th 1739 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 29th 1740 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds ten shillings. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1741 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 6th 1742 Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1743 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1746 Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. ===================================================== --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara" wrote: > > Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the desce ndants of Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. If this is correct then Richard would have been a father at approximately 13 to 15 years old. D oesn't seem likely to me Richard was Elisha's father. > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:469 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-09-09 11:24:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Back Creek by Sarah Robbins Lehman contains many errors.  Chris Robbins ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725  John, According to the research of Sarah Robbins Lehman, Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 of NC & died about or after 1759. He had two wives Mary Wade & Hepsibeth ? with a total of 7 children between both wives. Is this the same Elisha you say had no children?                                                                      Sara  ----- Original Message ----- >From: John German >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:51 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > >Contrary to the fictional NC Robbins genealogies, no children of Elisha Robbins are known - the one most often falsely stated as a child was Jacob who is now proven to be a son of Richard. > > > >Sara Hoffman wrote: > >Tracey, >> >>Thanks so much for your input. This is exactly what I was referencing. I appreciate the work you do on the Robins family. You were the first to discover these documents & the one that confirms Isaac was the son of Daniel Robins. Although no document has been located that specifically states Elisha & Joshua were also Daniel's sons I believe the evidence you presented is enough to link them as sons. Job Robins' will ment ions his mother Mary who was living in 1758, an indication she was most likely Mary (mnu) the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr. Regarding Elisha & the possiblity that one of the NJ Elisha's went to NC. Has any  DNA testing been done on the Elisha of NC descendants? >>                                                                                          Sara >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: marcelofamilytx >>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:05 PM >>>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 >>> >>> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is in it. >>>Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel was his father. But the property in the other mortgages including Elisha's HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. >>> >>>Tracey >>>==================================== >>> >>>Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 >>>Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" mailto:tmarcelo%40austin.rr.com marcelofamilytx >>>Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) >>> >>>Hunterdon Co. Mortgages >>> >>>I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. Mortgages 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used microfilms from my local LDS family history center.) >>> >>>The mortgages I looked at are: >>>Joshua Robins No. 8 >>>(Amos Thatcher No. 9) >>>Elisha Robins No. 10 >>>Isaac Robins No. 20 >>> >>>I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages No. 8 (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 (Elisha Robins') were all witnessed by Job Robins. >>> >>>All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same day: March 27, 1737. >>> >>>The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate that the property in each case had originally been owned by "Daniel Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to him as "Daniel Robins deceased." And Isaac's mortgage specifically says that Daniel Robins deceased was his father. (Also, I was able to match the description of >>>Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel Robins.) >>> >>>Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? >>>If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died between 1733 (when the article was written about him) and March 27 1737 when these mortgages were made. >>> >>>I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was involved in each of the four mortgages. >>> >>>Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. >>> >>>In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made two of Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of Isaac's after his death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, several people paid Isaac's mortgage over the years, including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, and Richard Lanning. >>> >>>In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the Isaac Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the Isaac with the mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) >>> >>>Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it seems he was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure if that's been proven.) >>> >>>So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? >>> >>>Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. >>>That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his sons...but of course we know that not all children are named in a will! I suppose we can conclude that they are SOMEHOW related to Job. >>> >>>I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a mortgage. Can we assume these men were at least 21 years old or older? (If so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) >>> >>>Lots to ponder!! >>> >>>I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: >>>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ >>> >>>Below are my transcriptions of each. >>> >>>========================================== >>>JOSHUA ROBINS >>>LDS Film # 1028302 >>>Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >>>Account Books and Mortgages >>>No. 8 >>>Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ >>>Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner >>>maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. >>>Joshua Robins >>>Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins >>> >>>Note from Tracey: >>>This property seems to match the survey transcribed in Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222: >>>Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins >>>By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ >>>ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) >>>Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk >>>Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor >>>Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became Morris County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. >>> >>>LDS Film#946855 >>>No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >>>Hunterdon April 27th 1738 >>>Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. >>>Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>Hunterdon March 27th 1739 >>>Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 >>>Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>April 30th 1742 >>>Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and 3 pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 6th 1742 >>>Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>April the 28th 1743 >>>Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 26th 1744 >>>Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >>>Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 24th 1746 >>>Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. >>>Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 30th 1747 >>>Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 26th 1748 >>>Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 27th 1749 >>>Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 26th 1750 >>>Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>> >>>============================================ >>> >>>AMOS THATCHER: >>>LDS Film # 1028302 >>> >>>Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >>>Account Books and Mortgages >>>No. 9 >>>Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the Commissioners of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon the following tract of Land Messuage and plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as >>>followeth Viz. >>>Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to another stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight links to another stone corner, thence North twenty >>>five chains and a half to a stone corner in John Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins land thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I >>>have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. >>>Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins >>> >>>LDS Film#946855 >>> >>>No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >>>Hunterdon April 27 1738 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 26 1739 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 24 1740 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and 6 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 30 1741 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 29th 1742 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 28th 1743 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 26th 1744 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 28th 1746 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 30th 1747 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 26th 1748 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 27th 1749 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 26th 1750 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 25th 1751 >>>Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>================================================================ >>>ELISHA ROBINS >>> >>>LDS Film # 1028302 >>>Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >>>Account Books and Mortgages >>>No. 10 >>>Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the consideration of twenty pounds to him in hand paid the consignees of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon on the aforesaid tract of Land Messauge & plantation Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted >>>and bounded as followeth Vizt >>> >>>Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine links to a stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West Twenty >>>eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 >>>Elisha Robins >>>Signed in the presence of >>>Job Robins >>>James Neilson >>> >>>LDS Film#946855 >>>No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >>> >>>Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 >>>Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon March 27 1739 >>>Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 24 1740 >>>Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 24 1741 >>>Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shillings and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 30 1742 >>>Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 20 1743 >>>Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 26 1744 >>>Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon March 26 1745 >>>Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound sixteen shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 8 1746 >>>Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 30 1747 >>>Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year and also at the same time he paid the sum of seven pounds ten shillings in full discharge of the within mortgage. >>>====================================================== >>>ISAAC ROBINS >>> >>>LDS Film # 1028302 >>> >>>Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >>>Account Books and Mortgages >>>No. 20 >>>Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the commissioners of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon All that tract of Land Messauges & plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & Bounded as follows Viz >>>On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Land formerly ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased father to the said >>>Isaac Robins â formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred Acres >>>In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 >>>Isaac Robins >>>Signed in presence of >>>James Neilson >>>Jacob Kinney >>> >>>LDS Film#946855 >>> >>>No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >>> >>>Hunterdon April 27th 1738 >>>Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon March 27th 1739 >>>Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 29th 1740 >>>Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds ten shillings. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 30th 1741 >>>Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 6th 1742 >>>Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 28th 1743 >>>Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 26th 1744 >>>Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >>>Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >>>Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 24th 1746 >>>Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 30th 1747 >>>Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 26th 1748 >>>Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 27th 1749 >>>Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>> >>>Hunterdon April 26th 1750 >>>Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>===================================================== >>> >>>--- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, "Sara" mailto:july37@... wrote: >>>> >>>> Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the descendants of Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. If this is correct then Richard would have been a father at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't seem likely to me Richard was Elisha's father. >>>> Sara >>>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:470 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-09 16:34:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Mrs. Lehman has Elisha's father as Isaac Robbins from Wales. Her research was done long before the DNA proved the Wales theory to be invalid. Since Elisha had no known children there would be no DNA for him. It makes me wonder when I find early Robbins in NJ who seem to disappear & unable to find where & when they died that they may have migrated elsewhere. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: C ROBBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Back Creek by Sarah Robbins Lehman contains many errors. Chris Robbins From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 John, According to the research of Sarah Robbins Lehman, Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 of NC & died about or after 1759. He had two wives Mary Wade & Hepsibeth ? with a total of 7 children between both wives. Is this the same Elisha you say had no children? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Contrary to the fictional NC Robbins genealogies, no children of Elisha Robbins are known - the one most often falsely stated as a child was Jacob who is now proven to be a son of Richard. Sara Hoffman wrote: Tracey, Thanks so much for your input. This is exactly what I was referencing. I appreciate the work you do on the Robins family. You were the first to discover these documents & the one that confirms Isaac was the son of Daniel Robins. Although no document has been located that specifically states Elisha & Joshua were also Daniel's sons I believe the evidence you presented is enough to link them as sons. Job Robins' will mentions his m other Mary who was living in 1758, an indication she was most likely Mary (mnu) the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr. Regarding Elisha & the possiblity that one of the NJ Elisha's went to NC. Has any DNA testing been do ne on the Elisha of NC descendants? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: marcelofamilytx To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:05 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Hi all, Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is in it. Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel was his father. But the property in the other mortgages including Elisha's HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. Tracey ==================================== Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" mailto:tmarcelo%40austin.rr.com marcelofamilytx Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) Hunterdon Co. Mortgages I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. Mortgages 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used microfilms from my local LDS family history center.) The mortgages I looked at are: Joshua Robins No. 8 (Amos Thatcher No. 9) Elisha Robins No. 10 Isaac Robins No. 20 I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages No. 8 (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 (Elisha Robins') were all witnessed by Job Robins. All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same day: March 27, 1737. The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate that the property in each case had originally been owned by "Daniel Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to him as "Daniel Robins deceased." And Isaac's mortgage specifically says that Daniel Robins deceased was his father. (Also, I was able to match the description of Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel Robins.) Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died between 1733 (when the article was written about him) and March 27 1737 when these mortgages were made. I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was involved in each of the four mortgages. Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made two of Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of Isaac's after his death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, several people paid Isaac's mortgage over the y ears, including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, and Richard Lanning. In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the Isaac Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the Isaac with the mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it seems he was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure if that's been proven.) So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his sons...but of course we know that not all children are named in a will! I suppose we can conclude that they are SOMEHOW related to Job. I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a mortgage. Can we assume these men were at least 21 years old or older? (If so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) Lots to ponder!! I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ Below are my transcriptions of each. ========================================== JOSHUA ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 8 Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the Commisioners of the Loan Office of the Co unty of Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees six ty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twent y fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. Joshua Robins Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins Note from Tracey: This property seems to match the survey transcribed in Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222: Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR ( 2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became Morris County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins t ract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. LDS Film#946855 No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27th 1738 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon March 27th 1739 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. April 30th 1742 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and 3 pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 6th 1742 Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. April the 28th 1743 Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 24th 1746 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. ============================================ AMOS THATCHER: LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 9 Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the Commissioners of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon the fo llowing tract of Land Messuage and plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as followeth Viz. Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to another stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight links to another stone corner, thence North twenty five chains and a half to a stone corner in John Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robi ns land thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins LDS Film#946855 No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27 1738 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26 1739 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1740 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and 6 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1741 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 29th 1742 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1743 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1746 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 25th 1751 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. ================================================================ ELISHA ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 10 Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the consideration of twenty pounds to him in hand paid the consignees of the Land Office of the Count y of Hunterdon on the aforesaid tract of Land Messauge & plantation Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted and bounded as followeth Vizt Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty n ine links to a stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West Twenty eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Elisha Robins Signed in the presence of Job Robins James Neilson LDS Film#946855 No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 27 1739 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1740 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1741 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shillings and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1742 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 20 1743 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26 1744 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 26 1745 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound sixteen shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 8 1746 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1747 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year and also at the same time he paid the sum of seven pounds ten shill ings in full discharge of the within mortgage. ====================================================== ISAAC ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 20 Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the commissioners of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon All that tract of Land Messauges & plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & Bounded as follows Viz On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon being part & parcel of a Larger tract of L and formerly ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased father to the said Isaac Robins â formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred Acres In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Isaac Robins Signed in presence of James Neilson Jacob Kinney LDS Film#946855 No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27th 1738 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 27th 1739 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 29th 1740 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds ten shillings. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1741 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 6th 1742 Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1743 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1746 Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. ===================================================== --- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, "Sara" mailto:july37@... wrote: > > Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the des cendants of Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. If this is correct then Richard would have been a father at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't seem likely to me Richard was Elisha's father. > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:471 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-09-09 17:10:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: In Rowan (now Randolph) Co., NC, in the 1750s were Joseph Robins Jr. and Richard Robbins - they seem to get the most attention. However, there was another "bunch" who do not "fit". William Robins who married Frances Nation had a son born before 1753 - they lived on Polecat Creek and he is often assumed to be a son of Joseph Jr but I believe Joseph's William lived on Caraway Creek next to his brothers John and Joseph III. William of Polecat Creek along with Elisha and a Richard "Jr" worked surveys together in 1750s. I don't know that this Richard Jr was the other Richard's son as an apparently younger Richard Jr born in 1740s is later found in Rowan Co. Two more mystery names are Matthew (or Matthias) Robbins and Jonathan Robbins who appear in the 1768 Rowan Co., tax list apart from the other Robbins families; Matthew also appears in a Rowan tax list in the 1750s. Jonathan seems to have moved up to southwest Virginia and his sons moved on to Scott Co., Tennessee. Another mystery family is that of a William Robbins (b. c1750?) who died in Rutherford Co., NC, c1816. He is the ancestor of Tamara Stevens. DNA testing confirms he is probably a descendant of Daniel Robins. We would certainly like to know more - a lot more about these unattached Robbins families. Sara Hoffman wrote: > > > Mrs. Lehman has Elisha's father as Isaac Robbins from Wales. Her > research was done long before the DNA proved the Wales theory to > be invalid. Since Elisha had no known children there would be no DNA > for him. It makes me wonder when I find early Robbins in NJ who seem > to disappear & unable to find where & when they died that they may > have migrated elsewhere. > > Sara > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C ROBBINS > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > > > Back Creek by Sarah Robbins Lehman contains many errors. > > Chris Robbins > > From: Sara Hoffman > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > > John, > According to the research of Sarah Robbins Lehman, Elisha Robbins > b. abt. 1725 of NC & died about or after 1759. He had two wives > Mary Wade & Hepsibeth ? with a total of 7 children between both > wives. Is this the same Elisha you say had no children? > > Sara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John German > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:51 PM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > > Contrary to the fictional NC Robbins genealogies, no children > of Elisha Robbins are known - the one most often falsely > stated as a child was Jacob who is now proven to be a son of > Richard. > > > > Sara Hoffman wrote: > >> Tracey, >> >> Thanks so much for your input. This is exactly what I was >> referencing. I appreciate the work you do on the Robins >> family. You were the first to discover these documents & the >> one that confirms Isaac was the son of Daniel Robins. >> Although no document has been located that specifically >> states Elisha & Joshua were also Daniel's sons I believe the >> evidence you presented is enough to link them as sons. Job >> Robins' will mentions his mother Mary who was living in 1758, >> an indication she was most likely Mary (mnu) the second wife >> of Daniel Robins, Jr. Regarding Elisha & the possiblity that >> one of the NJ Elisha's went to NC. Has any DNA testing been >> done on the Elisha of NC descendants? >> >> Sara >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: marcelofamilytx >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> >> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:05 PM >> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & >> 1725 >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the >> mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is >> in it. >> Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel >> was his father. But the property in the other mortgages >> including Elisha's HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. >> >> Tracey >> ==================================== >> >> Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 >> Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" >> mailto:tmarcelo%40austin.rr.com marcelofamilytx >> Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) >> >> Hunterdon Co. Mortgages >> >> I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. >> Mortgages 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used >> microfilms from my local LDS family history center.) >> >> The mortgages I looked at are: >> Joshua Robins No. 8 >> (Amos Thatcher No. 9) >> Elisha Robins No. 10 >> Isaac Robins No. 20 >> >> I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages >> No. 8 (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 >> (Elisha Robins') were all witnessed by Job Robins. >> >> All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same >> day: March 27, 1737. >> >> The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate >> that the property in each case had originally been owned >> by "Daniel Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to >> him as "Daniel Robins deceased." And Isaac's mortgage >> specifically says that Daniel Robins deceased was his >> father. (Also, I was able to match the description of >> Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel >> Robins.) >> >> Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? >> If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died >> between 1733 (when the article was written about him) and >> March 27 1737 when these mortgages were made. >> >> I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was >> involved in each of the four mortgages. >> >> Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos >> Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. >> >> In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made >> two of Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of >> Isaac's after his death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, >> several people paid Isaac's mortgage over the years, >> including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, and Richard >> Lanning. >> >> In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the >> Isaac Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the >> Isaac with the mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) >> >> Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it >> seems he was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure >> if that's been proven.) >> >> So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? >> >> Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. >> That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his >> sons...but of course we know that not all children are >> named in a will! I suppose we can conclude that they are >> SOMEHOW related to Job. >> >> I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a >> mortgage. Can we assume these men were at least 21 years >> old or older? (If so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) >> >> Lots to ponder!! >> >> I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ >> >> >> Below are my transcriptions of each. >> >> ========================================== >> JOSHUA ROBINS >> LDS Film # 1028302 >> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >> Account Books and Mortgages >> No. 8 >> Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the >> County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for >> Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the >> Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of >> Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate >> in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is >> butted and bounded as follows VIZ >> Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis >> Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly >> thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory >> tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty >> three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence >> North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner >> maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees >> sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner >> containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In >> witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty >> fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. >> Joshua Robins >> Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins >> >> Note from Tracey: >> This property seems to match the survey transcribed in >> Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222: >> Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of >> Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to >> Daniel Robins >> By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors >> bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this >> tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ >> ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in >> Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of >> Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty >> degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence >> Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a >> corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly >> thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple >> tree marked K (4) >> Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye >> first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. >> Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and >> ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk >> Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor >> Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became >> Morris County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by >> Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: >> "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract >> of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel >> Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown >> in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins >> settled in Amwell twp. >> >> LDS Film#946855 >> No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that >> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property >> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >> Hunterdon April 27th 1738 >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings >> being part of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for one year. >> >> Hunterdon March 27th 1739 >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings >> and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >> thereon for one year. >> >> Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings >> and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >> thereon for one year. >> >> April 30th 1742 >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and >> 3 pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon >> for one year. >> >> Hunterdon April 6th 1742 >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part >> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >> >> April the 28th 1743 >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and >> nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >> thereon for one year. >> >> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and >> six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >> thereon for one year. >> >> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and >> three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >> thereon for one year. >> >> Hunterdon April 24th 1746 >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being >> part of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for one year. >> >> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and >> nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >> thereon for one year. >> >> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 >> Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two >> shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for one year. >> >> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 >> Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty >> shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for one year. >> >> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part >> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >> >> ============================================ >> >> AMOS THATCHER: >> LDS Film # 1028302 >> >> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >> Account Books and Mortgages >> No. 9 >> Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of >> Hunterdon Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty >> pounds to him in hand paid by the Commissioners of the >> Land Office of the County of Hunterdon the following >> tract of Land Messuage and plantation situate in the >> Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as >> followeth Viz. >> Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of >> his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his >> line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of >> Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to another >> stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight >> links to another stone corner, thence North twenty >> five chains and a half to a stone corner in John >> Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & >> twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, >> thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins land >> thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned >> containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I >> have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March >> Anno Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. >> Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins >> >> LDS Film#946855 >> >> No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that >> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property >> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >> Hunterdon April 27 1738 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five >> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 26 1739 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three >> shillings and nine pence being part of principal of >> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 24 1740 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two >> shillings and 6 pence being part of principal of Twenty >> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 30 1741 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling >> and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 29th 1742 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of >> principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One >> year. >> >> Hunterdon April 28th 1743 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and >> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and >> three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 28th 1746 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being >> part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon >> for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and >> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and >> three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part >> of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for >> One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 25th 1751 >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> ================================================================ >> ELISHA ROBINS >> >> LDS Film # 1028302 >> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >> Account Books and Mortgages >> No. 10 >> Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of >> Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the >> consideration of twenty pounds to him in hand paid the >> consignees of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon >> on the aforesaid tract of Land Messauge & plantation >> Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted >> and bounded as followeth Vizt >> >> Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land >> in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four >> chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's >> thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine links to a >> stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to >> another stone corner thence West Twenty >> eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of >> Beginning containing one hundred acres. In Witness >> whereof I have hereunto set my hand the Twenty fifth day >> of March Anno Domini 1737 >> Elisha Robins >> Signed in the presence of >> Job Robins >> James Neilson >> >> LDS Film#946855 >> No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that >> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property >> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >> >> Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five >> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon March 27 1739 >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three >> shillings and nine pence being part of principal of >> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 24 1740 >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two >> shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty >> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 24 1741 >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one >> shillings and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty >> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 30 1742 >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of >> principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One >> year. >> >> Hunterdon April 20 1743 >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 26 1744 >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and >> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon March 26 1745 >> Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound >> sixteen shillings and three pence being part of principal >> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 8 1746 >> Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty >> five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 30 1747 >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year and also at the same >> time he paid the sum of seven pounds ten shillings in >> full discharge of the within mortgage. >> ====================================================== >> ISAAC ROBINS >> >> LDS Film # 1028302 >> >> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >> Account Books and Mortgages >> No. 20 >> Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of >> Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the >> consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the >> commissioners of the Land Office of the County of >> Hunterdon All that tract of Land Messauges & plantation >> situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & >> Bounded as follows Viz >> On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on >> the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas >> Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon >> being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Land formerly >> ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a >> largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John >> Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased >> father to the said >> Isaac Robins â formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred >> Acres >> In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day >> of March Anno Domini 1737 >> Isaac Robins >> Signed in presence of >> James Neilson >> Jacob Kinney >> >> LDS Film#946855 >> >> No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that >> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property >> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >> >> Hunterdon April 27th 1738 >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five >> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon March 27th 1739 >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three >> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 29th 1740 >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings >> and six pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds >> ten shillings. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 30th 1741 >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling >> and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 6th 1742 >> Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty >> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 28th 1743 >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six >> pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest >> due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >> Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty >> six shillings and three pence being part of principal of >> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >> Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five >> shillings and three pence being part of principal of >> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 24th 1746 >> Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of >> Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty >> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >> Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 >> Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two >> shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty >> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 >> Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one >> shillings and three pence being part of principal of >> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >> >> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part >> of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for >> One year. >> ===================================================== >> >> --- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, >> "Sara" mailto:july37@... wrote: >> > >> > Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of >> Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. >> abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of >> Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the descendants of >> Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 >> may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. >> If this is correct then Richard would have been a father >> at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't seem likely >> to me Richard was Elisha's father. >> > Sara >> > >> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:472 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2012-09-12 04:13:16 Subject:Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Hi, The Family History Library is digitizing many books. Among them is this one: THE ROBBINS FAMILIES OF VIRGINIA AND NORTH CAROLINA A GENEALOGICAL STUDY 1 SEPTEMBER 2006 BY EUGENE W. ROBBINS http://churchhistorycatalog.lds.org/viewer.jsp?dps_pid=IE65487 In it, these Elisha Robbins are listed: ELISHA ROBBINS b cl704 Monmouthshire, Wales, m (XX) (XX). Son of Isaac ROBBINSZ(XX) (XX). Ch: Mathew b 1717/23 Rowan Co, NC, m 1741 Bethia NATION; Alice b 1731 Rowan Co, NC; William b cl736 England/Wales m Elizabeth BRYANT; Jacob b cl738 England/Wales d 1810 Jennings Co, IN/KY, m cl758 Mary WELLS; Nathaniel b cl742 England/Wales m Ann (XX). EUsha moved from Randolph Co, NC, to Franklin Co, VA, about 1759. His children moved to Henry and Shelby Co, KY, then scattered into Jefferson, Scott, Jennings, Decatur, and Washington Co, IN. Some ofthe Jefferson Co, IN, families went to Montgomery Co, IN. Later, some ofthe Decatur Co. famiUes went to MO and OR. ELISHA ROBBINS b 1765 Edgecombe Co, NC, d before 4 Oct 1826 Edgecombe Co, NC, m before 1809 Elizabeth (XX). Son of Jacob ROBBINS/Mary MCMULLINS. Ch: Duncan b 25 Dec 1809 Edgecombe Co, NC, d 15 May 1885 Rankin Co, MS, m 18 Feb 1831 Edgecombe Co, NC, Peninah BARNES; Carter b cl810 m Martha (XX); Jordan A. b 1811 NC d 1860 m(l) 22 Dec 1834 Eliza BARNES m(2) 15 Nov 1842 Elizabeth PARKER; Wanen b 1814 NC m 8 Jan 1835 Elizabeth DABB; John Quincy b NC m 25 May 1848 Noxubee Co, MS, Mahalia Jane BRIDGES; Jacob b cl820/25 NC m Elizabeth (XX); Leroy S. b 1826 NC m 27 Sep 1849 Noxubee Co, MS, Martha DEW; Joseph; Frederick b NC; Elizabeth b NC m 19 Jan 1846 Edgecombe Co, NC, Thomas J. BRASWELL; Budy; Ester; George; PoUy: Cerley. ELISHA ROBBINS b cl770. Bound as apprentice to Jethro MELTEAR 25 May 1781 Gates Co, NC. Declared insolvent 1794. ELISHA ROBBINS m 6 Jan 1857 Edgecombe Co, NC, Rachel R. C. ROBBINS. ELISHA ROBBINS b 1838 Rutherford Co, NC. m 28 Jan 1858 Rutherford Co, NC, Susan TAYLOR. I didn't find "sources" in this book but maybe it will give our VA/NC Robbins researchers some leads. Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > In Rowan (now Randolph) Co., NC, in the 1750s were Joseph Robins Jr. and > Richard Robbins - they seem to get the most attention. However, there > was another "bunch" who do not "fit". William Robins who married > Frances Nation had a son born before 1753 - they lived on Polecat Creek > and he is often assumed to be a son of Joseph Jr but I believe Joseph's > William lived on Caraway Creek next to his brothers John and Joseph III. > William of Polecat Creek along with Elisha and a Richard "Jr" worked > surveys together in 1750s. I don't know that this Richard Jr was the > other Richard's son as an apparently younger Richard Jr born in 1740s is > later found in Rowan Co. Two more mystery names are Matthew (or > Matthias) Robbins and Jonathan Robbins who appear in the 1768 Rowan Co., > tax list apart from the other Robbins families; Matthew also appears in > a Rowan tax list in the 1750s. Jonathan seems to have moved up to > southwest Virginia and his sons moved on to Scott Co., Tennessee. > > Another mystery family is that of a William Robbins (b. c1750?) who died > in Rutherford Co., NC, c1816. He is the ancestor of Tamara Stevens. DNA > testing confirms he is probably a descendant of Daniel Robins. > > We would certainly like to know more - a lot more about these unattached > Robbins families. > > > > Sara Hoffman wrote: > > > > > > > Mrs. Lehman has Elisha's father as Isaac Robbins from Wales. Her > > research was done long before the DNA proved the Wales theory to > > be invalid. Since Elisha had no known children there would be no DNA > > for him. It makes me wonder when I find early Robbins in NJ who seem > > to disappear & unable to find where & when they died that they may > > have migrated elsewhere. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: C ROBBINS > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > > > > > > > Back Creek by Sarah Robbins Lehman contains many errors. > > > > Chris Robbins > > > > From: Sara Hoffman > > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > > > > > John, > > According to the research of Sarah Robbins Lehman, Elisha Robbins > > b. abt. 1725 of NC & died about or after 1759. He had two wives > > Mary Wade & Hepsibeth ? with a total of 7 children between both > > wives. Is this the same Elisha you say had no children? > > > > Sara > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John German > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > > > > > Contrary to the fictional NC Robbins genealogies, no children > > of Elisha Robbins are known - the one most often falsely > > stated as a child was Jacob who is now proven to be a son of > > Richard. > > > > > > > > Sara Hoffman wrote: > > > >> Tracey, > >> > >> Thanks so much for your input. This is exactly what I was > >> referencing. I appreciate the work you do on the Robins > >> family. You were the first to discover these documents & the > >> one that confirms Isaac was the son of Daniel Robins. > >> Although no document has been located that specifically > >> states Elisha & Joshua were also Daniel's sons I believe the > >> evidence you presented is enough to link them as sons. Job > >> Robins' will mentions his mother Mary who was living in 1758, > >> an indication she was most likely Mary (mnu) the second wife > >> of Daniel Robins, Jr. Regarding Elisha & the possiblity that > >> one of the NJ Elisha's went to NC. Has any DNA testing been > >> done on the Elisha of NC descendants? > >> > >> Sara > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: marcelofamilytx > >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m > >> > >> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:05 PM > >> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & > >> 1725 > >> > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the > >> mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is > >> in it. > >> Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel > >> was his father. But the property in the other mortgages > >> including Elisha's HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. > >> > >> Tracey > >> ==================================== > >> > >> Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 > >> Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" > >> mailto:tmarcelo%40austin.rr.com marcelofamilytx > >> Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) > >> > >> Hunterdon Co. Mortgages > >> > >> I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. > >> Mortgages 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used > >> microfilms from my local LDS family history center.) > >> > >> The mortgages I looked at are: > >> Joshua Robins No. 8 > >> (Amos Thatcher No. 9) > >> Elisha Robins No. 10 > >> Isaac Robins No. 20 > >> > >> I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages > >> No. 8 (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 > >> (Elisha Robins') were all witnessed by Job Robins. > >> > >> All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same > >> day: March 27, 1737. > >> > >> The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate > >> that the property in each case had originally been owned > >> by "Daniel Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to > >> him as "Daniel Robins deceased." And Isaac's mortgage > >> specifically says that Daniel Robins deceased was his > >> father. (Also, I was able to match the description of > >> Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel > >> Robins.) > >> > >> Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? > >> If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died > >> between 1733 (when the article was written about him) and > >> March 27 1737 when these mortgages were made. > >> > >> I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was > >> involved in each of the four mortgages. > >> > >> Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos > >> Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. > >> > >> In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made > >> two of Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of > >> Isaac's after his death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, > >> several people paid Isaac's mortgage over the years, > >> including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, and Richard > >> Lanning. > >> > >> In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the > >> Isaac Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the > >> Isaac with the mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) > >> > >> Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it > >> seems he was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure > >> if that's been proven.) > >> > >> So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? > >> > >> Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. > >> That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his > >> sons...but of course we know that not all children are > >> named in a will! I suppose we can conclude that they are > >> SOMEHOW related to Job. > >> > >> I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a > >> mortgage. Can we assume these men were at least 21 years > >> old or older? (If so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) > >> > >> Lots to ponder!! > >> > >> I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ > >> > >> > >> Below are my transcriptions of each. > >> > >> ========================================== > >> JOSHUA ROBINS > >> LDS Film # 1028302 > >> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > >> Account Books and Mortgages > >> No. 8 > >> Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the > >> County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for > >> Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the > >> Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of > >> Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate > >> in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is > >> butted and bounded as follows VIZ > >> Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis > >> Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly > >> thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory > >> tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty > >> three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence > >> North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner > >> maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees > >> sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner > >> containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In > >> witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty > >> fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. > >> Joshua Robins > >> Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins > >> > >> Note from Tracey: > >> This property seems to match the survey transcribed in > >> Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222: > >> Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of > >> Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to > >> Daniel Robins > >> By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors > >> bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this > >> tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ > >> ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in > >> Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of > >> Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty > >> degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence > >> Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a > >> corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly > >> thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple > >> tree marked K (4) > >> Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye > >> first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. > >> Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and > >> ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk > >> Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor > >> Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became > >> Morris County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by > >> Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: > >> "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract > >> of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel > >> Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown > >> in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins > >> settled in Amwell twp. > >> > >> LDS Film#946855 > >> No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that > >> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property > >> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) > >> Hunterdon April 27th 1738 > >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings > >> being part of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for one year. > >> > >> Hunterdon March 27th 1739 > >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings > >> and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >> thereon for one year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 > >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings > >> and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >> thereon for one year. > >> > >> April 30th 1742 > >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and > >> 3 pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon > >> for one year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 6th 1742 > >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part > >> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > >> > >> April the 28th 1743 > >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and > >> nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >> thereon for one year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and > >> six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >> thereon for one year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and > >> three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >> thereon for one year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 24th 1746 > >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being > >> part of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for one year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and > >> nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >> thereon for one year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > >> Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two > >> shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for one year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > >> Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty > >> shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for one year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > >> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part > >> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > >> > >> ============================================ > >> > >> AMOS THATCHER: > >> LDS Film # 1028302 > >> > >> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > >> Account Books and Mortgages > >> No. 9 > >> Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of > >> Hunterdon Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty > >> pounds to him in hand paid by the Commissioners of the > >> Land Office of the County of Hunterdon the following > >> tract of Land Messuage and plantation situate in the > >> Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as > >> followeth Viz. > >> Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of > >> his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his > >> line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of > >> Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to another > >> stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight > >> links to another stone corner, thence North twenty > >> five chains and a half to a stone corner in John > >> Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & > >> twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, > >> thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins land > >> thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned > >> containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I > >> have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March > >> Anno Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. > >> Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins > >> > >> LDS Film#946855 > >> > >> No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that > >> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property > >> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) > >> Hunterdon April 27 1738 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five > >> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 26 1739 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three > >> shillings and nine pence being part of principal of > >> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 24 1740 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two > >> shillings and 6 pence being part of principal of Twenty > >> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 30 1741 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling > >> and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 29th 1742 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of > >> principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One > >> year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 28th 1743 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and > >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and > >> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and > >> three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 28th 1746 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being > >> part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon > >> for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and > >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and > >> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and > >> three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part > >> of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > >> One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 25th 1751 > >> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and > >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> ================================================================ > >> ELISHA ROBINS > >> > >> LDS Film # 1028302 > >> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > >> Account Books and Mortgages > >> No. 10 > >> Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of > >> Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the > >> consideration of twenty pounds to him in hand paid the > >> consignees of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon > >> on the aforesaid tract of Land Messauge & plantation > >> Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted > >> and bounded as followeth Vizt > >> > >> Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land > >> in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four > >> chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's > >> thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine links to a > >> stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to > >> another stone corner thence West Twenty > >> eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of > >> Beginning containing one hundred acres. In Witness > >> whereof I have hereunto set my hand the Twenty fifth day > >> of March Anno Domini 1737 > >> Elisha Robins > >> Signed in the presence of > >> Job Robins > >> James Neilson > >> > >> LDS Film#946855 > >> No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that > >> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property > >> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) > >> > >> Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 > >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five > >> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon March 27 1739 > >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three > >> shillings and nine pence being part of principal of > >> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 24 1740 > >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two > >> shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty > >> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 24 1741 > >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one > >> shillings and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty > >> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 30 1742 > >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of > >> principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One > >> year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 20 1743 > >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and > >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 26 1744 > >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and > >> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon March 26 1745 > >> Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound > >> sixteen shillings and three pence being part of principal > >> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 8 1746 > >> Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty > >> five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 30 1747 > >> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and > >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year and also at the same > >> time he paid the sum of seven pounds ten shillings in > >> full discharge of the within mortgage. > >> ====================================================== > >> ISAAC ROBINS > >> > >> LDS Film # 1028302 > >> > >> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > >> Account Books and Mortgages > >> No. 20 > >> Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of > >> Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the > >> consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the > >> commissioners of the Land Office of the County of > >> Hunterdon All that tract of Land Messauges & plantation > >> situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & > >> Bounded as follows Viz > >> On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on > >> the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas > >> Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon > >> being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Land formerly > >> ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a > >> largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John > >> Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased > >> father to the said > >> Isaac Robins â" formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred > >> Acres > >> In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day > >> of March Anno Domini 1737 > >> Isaac Robins > >> Signed in presence of > >> James Neilson > >> Jacob Kinney > >> > >> LDS Film#946855 > >> > >> No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that > >> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property > >> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) > >> > >> Hunterdon April 27th 1738 > >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five > >> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon March 27th 1739 > >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three > >> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 29th 1740 > >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings > >> and six pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds > >> ten shillings. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 30th 1741 > >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling > >> and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 6th 1742 > >> Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty > >> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 28th 1743 > >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and > >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six > >> pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest > >> due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > >> Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty > >> six shillings and three pence being part of principal of > >> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > >> Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five > >> shillings and three pence being part of principal of > >> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 24th 1746 > >> Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of > >> Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty > >> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and > >> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >> Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > >> Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two > >> shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty > >> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > >> Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one > >> shillings and three pence being part of principal of > >> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >> > >> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > >> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part > >> of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > >> One year. > >> ===================================================== > >> > >> --- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, > >> "Sara" mailto:july37@ wrote: > >> > > >> > Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of > >> Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. > >> abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of > >> Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the descendants of > >> Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 > >> may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. > >> If this is correct then Richard would have been a father > >> at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't seem likely > >> to me Richard was Elisha's father. > >> > Sara > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:473 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-09-12 07:23:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: I'm afraid Eugene Robbins has only copied the same old fictional genealogy of the Robbins family of Rowan and Randolph Cos., NC. I have been working for many years trying to drive a stake through its heart but it just keeps recycling around the Internet to be picked up and spread again. Picking through it: The first fiction is the Welsh origin - it has been solidly disproved by DNA that links these families to Daniel Robins, c1627-1714. There is no evidence that this Isaac Robbins even existed. Elisha Robbins was a real person who appears in Rowan Co. tax lists and land entries in the 1750s. In a 1759 land warrant to John Nation granting him land that had been entered by Elisha Robbins it is noted that Elisha Robbins was no longer in the province. No record of where he went has been found. The Franklin Co., VA, connection is only a supposition based on Jacob Robbins having moved there. Jacob Robbins was the son of Richard Robbins (b. c1710?). This is evidenced in the 1750 and 1751 Dan River tax lists. Jacob was born before 1735 and not in Wales. He did move to Franklin Co., VA, and later he and his sons moved to Henry and Shelby Cos., KY and Indiana etc. Matthew Robbins appears in some Rowan Co., tax lists in 1750s and as late as 1768. What became of him is unknown. His wife is also unknown. John Nation in his will does mention a daughter Bethia Robbins but her husband is not identified - that she married Matthew (or Matthias) Robbins is only an undocumented guess. Alice was the wife of Joseph Robbins III. Her maiden name is unknown. Because her mark was "AR" the fiction writer concluded her "signature" Alice AR Robbins, meant her name was Alice A. Robbins Robbins. and then placed her in the Elisha catch all basket. William Robbins is a long story. He was a son of Joseph Robbins Jr. William is misidentified in KY (the one in KY was from Pennsylvania) so he was placed in the Elisha catch all basket. Deeds show William's wife's name was Elizabeth but Bryant researchers deny she was a Bryant. The Bryant connection came about because William was security for Martha Robbins Bryant on her husband's estate. Martha was a daughter of John Robbins - William's brother who was mentally unstable as a result of a Rev. War injury. Martha's story can be found in a bio of John's grandsons (great grandson?) in Indiana. William was a large slave owner who moved from Randolph Co. to Pendleton Dist., SC, in the 1790s. Nathaniel Robbins did live in Franklin Co., VA, and in Kentucky. He had a daughter that married one of Jacob Robbins's sons. I don't know who Nathaniel's father was but sincerely doubt it was Elisha even though Nathaniel has been tossed into the Elisha catch all basket. ___ As for the Robbins family in Edgecomb Co., NC, its been confirmed by DNA that they were from eastern Virginia and not descended from Daniel Robbins. __ The Rutherford Co., NC, Robbins family DNA tests match those of descendants of Daniel Robins. The connection remains a mystery. __ Tracey, I feel bad about trashing your posting, but I felt that I needed to jump in here and try to squash the Welsh myth and its consequences again. Please keep sharing and posting. -John German marcelofamilytx wrote: >Hi, > >The Family History Library is digitizing many books. >Among them is this one: >THE ROBBINS FAMILIES OF >VIRGINIA AND NORTH CAROLINA >A GENEALOGICAL STUDY >1 SEPTEMBER 2006 >BY EUGENE W. ROBBINS >http://churchhistorycatalog.lds.org/viewer.jsp?dps_pid=IE65487 > >In it, these Elisha Robbins are listed: > >ELISHA ROBBINS b cl704 Monmouthshire, Wales, m (XX) (XX). Son of Isaac >ROBBINSZ(XX) (XX). Ch: Mathew b 1717/23 Rowan Co, NC, m 1741 Bethia >NATION; Alice b 1731 Rowan Co, NC; William b cl736 England/Wales m Elizabeth >BRYANT; Jacob b cl738 England/Wales d 1810 Jennings Co, IN/KY, m cl758 Mary >WELLS; Nathaniel b cl742 England/Wales m Ann (XX). EUsha moved from Randolph >Co, NC, to Franklin Co, VA, about 1759. His children moved to Henry and Shelby Co, >KY, then scattered into Jefferson, Scott, Jennings, Decatur, and Washington Co, IN. >Some ofthe Jefferson Co, IN, families went to Montgomery Co, IN. Later, some ofthe >Decatur Co. famiUes went to MO and OR. > >ELISHA ROBBINS b 1765 Edgecombe Co, NC, d before 4 Oct 1826 Edgecombe Co, >NC, m before 1809 Elizabeth (XX). Son of Jacob ROBBINS/Mary MCMULLINS. Ch: >Duncan b 25 Dec 1809 Edgecombe Co, NC, d 15 May 1885 Rankin Co, MS, m 18 Feb >1831 Edgecombe Co, NC, Peninah BARNES; Carter b cl810 m Martha (XX); Jordan >A. b 1811 NC d 1860 m(l) 22 Dec 1834 Eliza BARNES m(2) 15 Nov 1842 Elizabeth >PARKER; Wanen b 1814 NC m 8 Jan 1835 Elizabeth DABB; John Quincy b NC m 25 >May 1848 Noxubee Co, MS, Mahalia Jane BRIDGES; Jacob b cl820/25 NC m >Elizabeth (XX); Leroy S. b 1826 NC m 27 Sep 1849 Noxubee Co, MS, Martha DEW; >Joseph; Frederick b NC; Elizabeth b NC m 19 Jan 1846 Edgecombe Co, NC, Thomas J. >BRASWELL; Budy; Ester; George; PoUy: Cerley. >ELISHA ROBBINS b cl770. Bound as apprentice to Jethro MELTEAR 25 May 1781 >Gates Co, NC. Declared insolvent 1794. >ELISHA ROBBINS m 6 Jan 1857 Edgecombe Co, NC, Rachel R. C. ROBBINS. >ELISHA ROBBINS b 1838 Rutherford Co, NC. m 28 Jan 1858 Rutherford Co, NC, >Susan TAYLOR. > >I didn't find "sources" in this book but maybe it will give our VA/NC Robbins researchers some leads. > >Tracey > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > >>In Rowan (now Randolph) Co., NC, in the 1750s were Joseph Robins Jr. and >>Richard Robbins - they seem to get the most attention. However, there >>was another "bunch" who do not "fit". William Robins who married >>Frances Nation had a son born before 1753 - they lived on Polecat Creek >>and he is often assumed to be a son of Joseph Jr but I believe Joseph's >>William lived on Caraway Creek next to his brothers John and Joseph III. >>William of Polecat Creek along with Elisha and a Richard "Jr" worked >>surveys together in 1750s. I don't know that this Richard Jr was the >>other Richard's son as an apparently younger Richard Jr born in 1740s is >>later found in Rowan Co. Two more mystery names are Matthew (or >>Matthias) Robbins and Jonathan Robbins who appear in the 1768 Rowan Co., >>tax list apart from the other Robbins families; Matthew also appears in >>a Rowan tax list in the 1750s. Jonathan seems to have moved up to >>southwest Virginia and his sons moved on to Scott Co., Tennessee. >> >>Another mystery family is that of a William Robbins (b. c1750?) who died >>in Rutherford Co., NC, c1816. He is the ancestor of Tamara Stevens. DNA >>testing confirms he is probably a descendant of Daniel Robins. >> >>We would certainly like to know more - a lot more about these unattached >>Robbins families. >> >> >> >>Sara Hoffman wrote: >> >> >> >>>Mrs. Lehman has Elisha's father as Isaac Robbins from Wales. Her >>>research was done long before the DNA proved the Wales theory to >>>be invalid. Since Elisha had no known children there would be no DNA >>>for him. It makes me wonder when I find early Robbins in NJ who seem >>>to disappear & unable to find where & when they died that they may >>>have migrated elsewhere. >>> >>>Sara >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: C ROBBINS >>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:24 AM >>> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 >>> >>> >>> >>> Back Creek by Sarah Robbins Lehman contains many errors. >>> >>> Chris Robbins >>> >>> From: Sara Hoffman > >>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 >>> >>> >>> John, >>> According to the research of Sarah Robbins Lehman, Elisha Robbins >>> b. abt. 1725 of NC & died about or after 1759. He had two wives >>> Mary Wade & Hepsibeth ? with a total of 7 children between both >>> wives. Is this the same Elisha you say had no children? >>> >>> Sara >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: John German >>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 >>> >>> >>> Contrary to the fictional NC Robbins genealogies, no children >>> of Elisha Robbins are known - the one most often falsely >>> stated as a child was Jacob who is now proven to be a son of >>> Richard. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sara Hoffman wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Tracey, >>>> >>>> Thanks so much for your input. This is exactly what I was >>>> referencing. I appreciate the work you do on the Robins >>>> family. You were the first to discover these documents & the >>>> one that confirms Isaac was the son of Daniel Robins. >>>> Although no document has been located that specifically >>>> states Elisha & Joshua were also Daniel's sons I believe the >>>> evidence you presented is enough to link them as sons. Job >>>> Robins' will mentions his mother Mary who was living in 1758, >>>> an indication she was most likely Mary (mnu) the second wife >>>> of Daniel Robins, Jr. Regarding Elisha & the possiblity that >>>> one of the NJ Elisha's went to NC. Has any DNA testing been >>>> done on the Elisha of NC descendants? >>>> >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: marcelofamilytx >>>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:05 PM >>>> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & >>>> 1725 >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the >>>> mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is >>>> in it. >>>> Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel >>>> was his father. But the property in the other mortgages >>>> including Elisha's HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. >>>> >>>> Tracey >>>> ==================================== >>>> >>>> Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 >>>> Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" >>>> mailto:tmarcelo%40austin.rr.com marcelofamilytx >>>> Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) >>>> >>>> Hunterdon Co. Mortgages >>>> >>>> I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. >>>> Mortgages 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used >>>> microfilms from my local LDS family history center.) >>>> >>>> The mortgages I looked at are: >>>> Joshua Robins No. 8 >>>> (Amos Thatcher No. 9) >>>> Elisha Robins No. 10 >>>> Isaac Robins No. 20 >>>> >>>> I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages >>>> No. 8 (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 >>>> (Elisha Robins') were all witnessed by Job Robins. >>>> >>>> All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same >>>> day: March 27, 1737. >>>> >>>> The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate >>>> that the property in each case had originally been owned >>>> by "Daniel Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to >>>> him as "Daniel Robins deceased." And Isaac's mortgage >>>> specifically says that Daniel Robins deceased was his >>>> father. (Also, I was able to match the description of >>>> Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel >>>> Robins.) >>>> >>>> Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? >>>> If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died >>>> between 1733 (when the article was written about him) and >>>> March 27 1737 when these mortgages were made. >>>> >>>> I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was >>>> involved in each of the four mortgages. >>>> >>>> Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos >>>> Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. >>>> >>>> In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made >>>> two of Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of >>>> Isaac's after his death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, >>>> several people paid Isaac's mortgage over the years, >>>> including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, and Richard >>>> Lanning. >>>> >>>> In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the >>>> Isaac Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the >>>> Isaac with the mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) >>>> >>>> Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it >>>> seems he was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure >>>> if that's been proven.) >>>> >>>> So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? >>>> >>>> Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. >>>> That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his >>>> sons...but of course we know that not all children are >>>> named in a will! I suppose we can conclude that they are >>>> SOMEHOW related to Job. >>>> >>>> I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a >>>> mortgage. Can we assume these men were at least 21 years >>>> old or older? (If so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) >>>> >>>> Lots to ponder!! >>>> >>>> I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: >>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Below are my transcriptions of each. >>>> >>>> ========================================== >>>> JOSHUA ROBINS >>>> LDS Film # 1028302 >>>> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >>>> Account Books and Mortgages >>>> No. 8 >>>> Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the >>>> County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for >>>> Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the >>>> Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of >>>> Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate >>>> in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is >>>> butted and bounded as follows VIZ >>>> Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis >>>> Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly >>>> thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory >>>> tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty >>>> three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence >>>> North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner >>>> maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees >>>> sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner >>>> containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In >>>> witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty >>>> fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. >>>> Joshua Robins >>>> Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins >>>> >>>> Note from Tracey: >>>> This property seems to match the survey transcribed in >>>> Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222: >>>> Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of >>>> Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to >>>> Daniel Robins >>>> By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors >>>> bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this >>>> tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ >>>> ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in >>>> Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of >>>> Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty >>>> degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence >>>> Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a >>>> corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly >>>> thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple >>>> tree marked K (4) >>>> Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye >>>> first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. >>>> Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and >>>> ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk >>>> Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor >>>> Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became >>>> Morris County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by >>>> Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: >>>> "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract >>>> of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel >>>> Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown >>>> in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins >>>> settled in Amwell twp. >>>> >>>> LDS Film#946855 >>>> No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that >>>> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property >>>> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >>>> Hunterdon April 27th 1738 >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings >>>> being part of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon March 27th 1739 >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings >>>> and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >>>> thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings >>>> and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >>>> thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> April 30th 1742 >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and >>>> 3 pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon >>>> for one year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 6th 1742 >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part >>>> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> April the 28th 1743 >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and >>>> nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >>>> thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and >>>> six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >>>> thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and >>>> three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >>>> thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1746 >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being >>>> part of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and >>>> nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due >>>> thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 >>>> Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two >>>> shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 >>>> Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty >>>> shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part >>>> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. >>>> >>>> ============================================ >>>> >>>> AMOS THATCHER: >>>> LDS Film # 1028302 >>>> >>>> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >>>> Account Books and Mortgages >>>> No. 9 >>>> Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of >>>> Hunterdon Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty >>>> pounds to him in hand paid by the Commissioners of the >>>> Land Office of the County of Hunterdon the following >>>> tract of Land Messuage and plantation situate in the >>>> Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as >>>> followeth Viz. >>>> Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of >>>> his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his >>>> line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of >>>> Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to another >>>> stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight >>>> links to another stone corner, thence North twenty >>>> five chains and a half to a stone corner in John >>>> Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & >>>> twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, >>>> thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins land >>>> thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned >>>> containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I >>>> have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March >>>> Anno Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. >>>> Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins >>>> >>>> LDS Film#946855 >>>> >>>> No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that >>>> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property >>>> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >>>> Hunterdon April 27 1738 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five >>>> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 26 1739 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three >>>> shillings and nine pence being part of principal of >>>> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 24 1740 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two >>>> shillings and 6 pence being part of principal of Twenty >>>> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 30 1741 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling >>>> and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 29th 1742 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of >>>> principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One >>>> year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 28th 1743 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and >>>> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and >>>> three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 28th 1746 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being >>>> part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon >>>> for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and >>>> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and >>>> three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part >>>> of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for >>>> One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 25th 1751 >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> ================================================================ >>>> ELISHA ROBINS >>>> >>>> LDS Film # 1028302 >>>> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >>>> Account Books and Mortgages >>>> No. 10 >>>> Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of >>>> Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the >>>> consideration of twenty pounds to him in hand paid the >>>> consignees of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon >>>> on the aforesaid tract of Land Messauge & plantation >>>> Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted >>>> and bounded as followeth Vizt >>>> >>>> Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land >>>> in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four >>>> chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's >>>> thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine links to a >>>> stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to >>>> another stone corner thence West Twenty >>>> eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of >>>> Beginning containing one hundred acres. In Witness >>>> whereof I have hereunto set my hand the Twenty fifth day >>>> of March Anno Domini 1737 >>>> Elisha Robins >>>> Signed in the presence of >>>> Job Robins >>>> James Neilson >>>> >>>> LDS Film#946855 >>>> No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that >>>> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property >>>> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five >>>> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon March 27 1739 >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three >>>> shillings and nine pence being part of principal of >>>> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 24 1740 >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two >>>> shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty >>>> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 24 1741 >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one >>>> shillings and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty >>>> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 30 1742 >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of >>>> principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One >>>> year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 20 1743 >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 26 1744 >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and >>>> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon March 26 1745 >>>> Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound >>>> sixteen shillings and three pence being part of principal >>>> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 8 1746 >>>> Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty >>>> five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 30 1747 >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year and also at the same >>>> time he paid the sum of seven pounds ten shillings in >>>> full discharge of the within mortgage. >>>> ====================================================== >>>> ISAAC ROBINS >>>> >>>> LDS Film # 1028302 >>>> >>>> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office >>>> Account Books and Mortgages >>>> No. 20 >>>> Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of >>>> Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the >>>> consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the >>>> commissioners of the Land Office of the County of >>>> Hunterdon All that tract of Land Messauges & plantation >>>> situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & >>>> Bounded as follows Viz >>>> On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on >>>> the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas >>>> Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon >>>> being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Land formerly >>>> ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a >>>> largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John >>>> Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased >>>> father to the said >>>> Isaac Robins �EUR" formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred >>>> Acres >>>> In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day >>>> of March Anno Domini 1737 >>>> Isaac Robins >>>> Signed in presence of >>>> James Neilson >>>> Jacob Kinney >>>> >>>> LDS Film#946855 >>>> >>>> No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that >>>> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property >>>> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 27th 1738 >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five >>>> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon March 27th 1739 >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three >>>> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 29th 1740 >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings >>>> and six pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds >>>> ten shillings. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 30th 1741 >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling >>>> and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 6th 1742 >>>> Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty >>>> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 28th 1743 >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six >>>> pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest >>>> due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >>>> Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty >>>> six shillings and three pence being part of principal of >>>> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 >>>> Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five >>>> shillings and three pence being part of principal of >>>> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1746 >>>> Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of >>>> Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty >>>> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 >>>> Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two >>>> shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty >>>> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 >>>> Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one >>>> shillings and three pence being part of principal of >>>> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. >>>> >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part >>>> of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for >>>> One year. >>>> ===================================================== >>>> >>>> --- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, >>>> "Sara" mailto:july37@ wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of >>>> Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. >>>> abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of >>>> Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the descendants of >>>> Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 >>>> may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. >>>> If this is correct then Richard would have been a father >>>> at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't seem likely >>>> to me Richard was Elisha's father. >>>> > Sara >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:474 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2012-09-12 07:41:13 Subject:Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Hey John You aren't trashing my post at all. We ALL should be grabbing myths like this and shaking them down until they are dead! Good for you!! Hopefully other researchers will see your post so they get the facts and undo the fiction. Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > I'm afraid Eugene Robbins has only copied the same old fictional > genealogy of the Robbins family of Rowan and Randolph Cos., NC. I have > been working for many years trying to drive a stake through its heart > but it just keeps recycling around the Internet to be picked up and > spread again. > > Picking through it: > > The first fiction is the Welsh origin - it has been solidly disproved by > DNA that links these families to Daniel Robins, c1627-1714. There is no > evidence that this Isaac Robbins even existed. > > Elisha Robbins was a real person who appears in Rowan Co. tax lists and > land entries in the 1750s. In a 1759 land warrant to John Nation > granting him land that had been entered by Elisha Robbins it is noted > that Elisha Robbins was no longer in the province. No record of where he > went has been found. The Franklin Co., VA, connection is only a > supposition based on Jacob Robbins having moved there. > > Jacob Robbins was the son of Richard Robbins (b. c1710?). This is > evidenced in the 1750 and 1751 Dan River tax lists. Jacob was born > before 1735 and not in Wales. He did move to Franklin Co., VA, and > later he and his sons moved to Henry and Shelby Cos., KY and Indiana etc. > > Matthew Robbins appears in some Rowan Co., tax lists in 1750s and as > late as 1768. What became of him is unknown. His wife is also unknown. > John Nation in his will does mention a daughter Bethia Robbins but her > husband is not identified - that she married Matthew (or Matthias) > Robbins is only an undocumented guess. > > Alice was the wife of Joseph Robbins III. Her maiden name is unknown. > Because her mark was "AR" the fiction writer concluded her "signature" > Alice AR Robbins, meant her name was Alice A. Robbins Robbins. and then > placed her in the Elisha catch all basket. > > William Robbins is a long story. He was a son of Joseph Robbins Jr. > William is misidentified in KY (the one in KY was from Pennsylvania) so > he was placed in the Elisha catch all basket. Deeds show William's > wife's name was Elizabeth but Bryant researchers deny she was a Bryant. > The Bryant connection came about because William was security for Martha > Robbins Bryant on her husband's estate. Martha was a daughter of John > Robbins - William's brother who was mentally unstable as a result of a > Rev. War injury. Martha's story can be found in a bio of John's > grandsons (great grandson?) in Indiana. William was a large slave owner > who moved from Randolph Co. to Pendleton Dist., SC, in the 1790s. > > Nathaniel Robbins did live in Franklin Co., VA, and in Kentucky. He had > a daughter that married one of Jacob Robbins's sons. I don't know who > Nathaniel's father was but sincerely doubt it was Elisha even though > Nathaniel has been tossed into the Elisha catch all basket. > ___ > > As for the Robbins family in Edgecomb Co., NC, its been confirmed by DNA > that they were from eastern Virginia and not descended from Daniel Robbins. > __ > > The Rutherford Co., NC, Robbins family DNA tests match those of > descendants of Daniel Robins. The connection remains a mystery. > __ > > Tracey, I feel bad about trashing your posting, but I felt that I needed > to jump in here and try to squash the Welsh myth and its consequences > again. Please keep sharing and posting. -John German > > > > marcelofamilytx wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >The Family History Library is digitizing many books. > >Among them is this one: > >THE ROBBINS FAMILIES OF > >VIRGINIA AND NORTH CAROLINA > >A GENEALOGICAL STUDY > >1 SEPTEMBER 2006 > >BY EUGENE W. ROBBINS > >http://churchhistorycatalog.lds.org/viewer.jsp?dps_pid=IE65487 > > > >In it, these Elisha Robbins are listed: > > > >ELISHA ROBBINS b cl704 Monmouthshire, Wales, m (XX) (XX). Son of Isaac > >ROBBINSZ(XX) (XX). Ch: Mathew b 1717/23 Rowan Co, NC, m 1741 Bethia > >NATION; Alice b 1731 Rowan Co, NC; William b cl736 England/Wales m Elizabeth > >BRYANT; Jacob b cl738 England/Wales d 1810 Jennings Co, IN/KY, m cl758 Mary > >WELLS; Nathaniel b cl742 England/Wales m Ann (XX). EUsha moved from Randolph > >Co, NC, to Franklin Co, VA, about 1759. His children moved to Henry and Shelby Co, > >KY, then scattered into Jefferson, Scott, Jennings, Decatur, and Washington Co, IN. > >Some ofthe Jefferson Co, IN, families went to Montgomery Co, IN. Later, some ofthe > >Decatur Co. famiUes went to MO and OR. > > > >ELISHA ROBBINS b 1765 Edgecombe Co, NC, d before 4 Oct 1826 Edgecombe Co, > >NC, m before 1809 Elizabeth (XX). Son of Jacob ROBBINS/Mary MCMULLINS. Ch: > >Duncan b 25 Dec 1809 Edgecombe Co, NC, d 15 May 1885 Rankin Co, MS, m 18 Feb > >1831 Edgecombe Co, NC, Peninah BARNES; Carter b cl810 m Martha (XX); Jordan > >A. b 1811 NC d 1860 m(l) 22 Dec 1834 Eliza BARNES m(2) 15 Nov 1842 Elizabeth > >PARKER; Wanen b 1814 NC m 8 Jan 1835 Elizabeth DABB; John Quincy b NC m 25 > >May 1848 Noxubee Co, MS, Mahalia Jane BRIDGES; Jacob b cl820/25 NC m > >Elizabeth (XX); Leroy S. b 1826 NC m 27 Sep 1849 Noxubee Co, MS, Martha DEW; > >Joseph; Frederick b NC; Elizabeth b NC m 19 Jan 1846 Edgecombe Co, NC, Thomas J. > >BRASWELL; Budy; Ester; George; PoUy: Cerley. > >ELISHA ROBBINS b cl770. Bound as apprentice to Jethro MELTEAR 25 May 1781 > >Gates Co, NC. Declared insolvent 1794. > >ELISHA ROBBINS m 6 Jan 1857 Edgecombe Co, NC, Rachel R. C. ROBBINS. > >ELISHA ROBBINS b 1838 Rutherford Co, NC. m 28 Jan 1858 Rutherford Co, NC, > >Susan TAYLOR. > > > >I didn't find "sources" in this book but maybe it will give our VA/NC Robbins researchers some leads. > > > >Tracey > > > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > > > > >>In Rowan (now Randolph) Co., NC, in the 1750s were Joseph Robins Jr. and > >>Richard Robbins - they seem to get the most attention. However, there > >>was another "bunch" who do not "fit". William Robins who married > >>Frances Nation had a son born before 1753 - they lived on Polecat Creek > >>and he is often assumed to be a son of Joseph Jr but I believe Joseph's > >>William lived on Caraway Creek next to his brothers John and Joseph III. > >>William of Polecat Creek along with Elisha and a Richard "Jr" worked > >>surveys together in 1750s. I don't know that this Richard Jr was the > >>other Richard's son as an apparently younger Richard Jr born in 1740s is > >>later found in Rowan Co. Two more mystery names are Matthew (or > >>Matthias) Robbins and Jonathan Robbins who appear in the 1768 Rowan Co., > >>tax list apart from the other Robbins families; Matthew also appears in > >>a Rowan tax list in the 1750s. Jonathan seems to have moved up to > >>southwest Virginia and his sons moved on to Scott Co., Tennessee. > >> > >>Another mystery family is that of a William Robbins (b. c1750?) who died > >>in Rutherford Co., NC, c1816. He is the ancestor of Tamara Stevens. DNA > >>testing confirms he is probably a descendant of Daniel Robins. > >> > >>We would certainly like to know more - a lot more about these unattached > >>Robbins families. > >> > >> > >> > >>Sara Hoffman wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Mrs. Lehman has Elisha's father as Isaac Robbins from Wales. Her > >>>research was done long before the DNA proved the Wales theory to > >>>be invalid. Since Elisha had no known children there would be no DNA > >>>for him. It makes me wonder when I find early Robbins in NJ who seem > >>>to disappear & unable to find where & when they died that they may > >>>have migrated elsewhere. > >>> > >>>Sara > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: C ROBBINS > >>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >>> > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:24 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Back Creek by Sarah Robbins Lehman contains many errors. > >>> > >>> Chris Robbins > >>> > >>> From: Sara Hoffman > > >>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >>> > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:04 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > >>> > >>> > >>> John, > >>> According to the research of Sarah Robbins Lehman, Elisha Robbins > >>> b. abt. 1725 of NC & died about or after 1759. He had two wives > >>> Mary Wade & Hepsibeth ? with a total of 7 children between both > >>> wives. Is this the same Elisha you say had no children? > >>> > >>> Sara > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: John German > >>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >>> > >>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:51 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > >>> > >>> > >>> Contrary to the fictional NC Robbins genealogies, no children > >>> of Elisha Robbins are known - the one most often falsely > >>> stated as a child was Jacob who is now proven to be a son of > >>> Richard. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sara Hoffman wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Tracey, > >>>> > >>>> Thanks so much for your input. This is exactly what I was > >>>> referencing. I appreciate the work you do on the Robins > >>>> family. You were the first to discover these documents & the > >>>> one that confirms Isaac was the son of Daniel Robins. > >>>> Although no document has been located that specifically > >>>> states Elisha & Joshua were also Daniel's sons I believe the > >>>> evidence you presented is enough to link them as sons. Job > >>>> Robins' will mentions his mother Mary who was living in 1758, > >>>> an indication she was most likely Mary (mnu) the second wife > >>>> of Daniel Robins, Jr. Regarding Elisha & the possiblity that > >>>> one of the NJ Elisha's went to NC. Has any DNA testing been > >>>> done on the Elisha of NC descendants? > >>>> > >>>> Sara > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: marcelofamilytx > >>>> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > >>>> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:05 PM > >>>> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & > >>>> 1725 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the > >>>> mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is > >>>> in it. > >>>> Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel > >>>> was his father. But the property in the other mortgages > >>>> including Elisha's HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. > >>>> > >>>> Tracey > >>>> ==================================== > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 > >>>> Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" > >>>> mailto:tmarcelo%40austin.rr.com marcelofamilytx > >>>> Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon Co. Mortgages > >>>> > >>>> I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. > >>>> Mortgages 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used > >>>> microfilms from my local LDS family history center.) > >>>> > >>>> The mortgages I looked at are: > >>>> Joshua Robins No. 8 > >>>> (Amos Thatcher No. 9) > >>>> Elisha Robins No. 10 > >>>> Isaac Robins No. 20 > >>>> > >>>> I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages > >>>> No. 8 (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 > >>>> (Elisha Robins') were all witnessed by Job Robins. > >>>> > >>>> All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same > >>>> day: March 27, 1737. > >>>> > >>>> The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate > >>>> that the property in each case had originally been owned > >>>> by "Daniel Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to > >>>> him as "Daniel Robins deceased." And Isaac's mortgage > >>>> specifically says that Daniel Robins deceased was his > >>>> father. (Also, I was able to match the description of > >>>> Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel > >>>> Robins.) > >>>> > >>>> Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? > >>>> If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died > >>>> between 1733 (when the article was written about him) and > >>>> March 27 1737 when these mortgages were made. > >>>> > >>>> I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was > >>>> involved in each of the four mortgages. > >>>> > >>>> Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos > >>>> Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. > >>>> > >>>> In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made > >>>> two of Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of > >>>> Isaac's after his death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, > >>>> several people paid Isaac's mortgage over the years, > >>>> including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, and Richard > >>>> Lanning. > >>>> > >>>> In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the > >>>> Isaac Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the > >>>> Isaac with the mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) > >>>> > >>>> Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it > >>>> seems he was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure > >>>> if that's been proven.) > >>>> > >>>> So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? > >>>> > >>>> Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. > >>>> That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his > >>>> sons...but of course we know that not all children are > >>>> named in a will! I suppose we can conclude that they are > >>>> SOMEHOW related to Job. > >>>> > >>>> I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a > >>>> mortgage. Can we assume these men were at least 21 years > >>>> old or older? (If so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) > >>>> > >>>> Lots to ponder!! > >>>> > >>>> I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: > >>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Below are my transcriptions of each. > >>>> > >>>> ========================================== > >>>> JOSHUA ROBINS > >>>> LDS Film # 1028302 > >>>> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > >>>> Account Books and Mortgages > >>>> No. 8 > >>>> Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the > >>>> County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for > >>>> Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the > >>>> Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of > >>>> Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate > >>>> in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is > >>>> butted and bounded as follows VIZ > >>>> Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis > >>>> Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly > >>>> thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory > >>>> tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty > >>>> three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence > >>>> North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner > >>>> maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees > >>>> sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner > >>>> containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In > >>>> witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty > >>>> fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. > >>>> Joshua Robins > >>>> Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins > >>>> > >>>> Note from Tracey: > >>>> This property seems to match the survey transcribed in > >>>> Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222: > >>>> Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of > >>>> Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to > >>>> Daniel Robins > >>>> By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors > >>>> bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this > >>>> tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ > >>>> ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in > >>>> Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of > >>>> Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty > >>>> degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence > >>>> Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a > >>>> corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly > >>>> thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple > >>>> tree marked K (4) > >>>> Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye > >>>> first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. > >>>> Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and > >>>> ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk > >>>> Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor > >>>> Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became > >>>> Morris County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by > >>>> Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: > >>>> "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract > >>>> of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel > >>>> Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown > >>>> in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins > >>>> settled in Amwell twp. > >>>> > >>>> LDS Film#946855 > >>>> No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that > >>>> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property > >>>> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) > >>>> Hunterdon April 27th 1738 > >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings > >>>> being part of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon March 27th 1739 > >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings > >>>> and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >>>> thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 > >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings > >>>> and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >>>> thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> April 30th 1742 > >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and > >>>> 3 pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon > >>>> for one year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 6th 1742 > >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part > >>>> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> April the 28th 1743 > >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and > >>>> nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >>>> thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and > >>>> six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >>>> thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and > >>>> three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >>>> thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1746 > >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being > >>>> part of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and > >>>> nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due > >>>> thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > >>>> Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two > >>>> shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > >>>> Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty > >>>> shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > >>>> Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part > >>>> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. > >>>> > >>>> ============================================ > >>>> > >>>> AMOS THATCHER: > >>>> LDS Film # 1028302 > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > >>>> Account Books and Mortgages > >>>> No. 9 > >>>> Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of > >>>> Hunterdon Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty > >>>> pounds to him in hand paid by the Commissioners of the > >>>> Land Office of the County of Hunterdon the following > >>>> tract of Land Messuage and plantation situate in the > >>>> Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as > >>>> followeth Viz. > >>>> Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of > >>>> his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his > >>>> line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of > >>>> Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to another > >>>> stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight > >>>> links to another stone corner, thence North twenty > >>>> five chains and a half to a stone corner in John > >>>> Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & > >>>> twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, > >>>> thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins land > >>>> thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned > >>>> containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I > >>>> have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March > >>>> Anno Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. > >>>> Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins > >>>> > >>>> LDS Film#946855 > >>>> > >>>> No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that > >>>> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property > >>>> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) > >>>> Hunterdon April 27 1738 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five > >>>> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 26 1739 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three > >>>> shillings and nine pence being part of principal of > >>>> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 24 1740 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two > >>>> shillings and 6 pence being part of principal of Twenty > >>>> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 30 1741 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling > >>>> and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 29th 1742 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of > >>>> principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One > >>>> year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 28th 1743 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and > >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and > >>>> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and > >>>> three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 28th 1746 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being > >>>> part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon > >>>> for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and > >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and > >>>> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and > >>>> three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part > >>>> of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > >>>> One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 25th 1751 > >>>> Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and > >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> ================================================================ > >>>> ELISHA ROBINS > >>>> > >>>> LDS Film # 1028302 > >>>> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > >>>> Account Books and Mortgages > >>>> No. 10 > >>>> Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of > >>>> Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the > >>>> consideration of twenty pounds to him in hand paid the > >>>> consignees of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon > >>>> on the aforesaid tract of Land Messauge & plantation > >>>> Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted > >>>> and bounded as followeth Vizt > >>>> > >>>> Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land > >>>> in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four > >>>> chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's > >>>> thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine links to a > >>>> stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to > >>>> another stone corner thence West Twenty > >>>> eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of > >>>> Beginning containing one hundred acres. In Witness > >>>> whereof I have hereunto set my hand the Twenty fifth day > >>>> of March Anno Domini 1737 > >>>> Elisha Robins > >>>> Signed in the presence of > >>>> Job Robins > >>>> James Neilson > >>>> > >>>> LDS Film#946855 > >>>> No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that > >>>> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property > >>>> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 > >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five > >>>> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon March 27 1739 > >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three > >>>> shillings and nine pence being part of principal of > >>>> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 24 1740 > >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two > >>>> shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty > >>>> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 24 1741 > >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one > >>>> shillings and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty > >>>> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 30 1742 > >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of > >>>> principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One > >>>> year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 20 1743 > >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and > >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 26 1744 > >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and > >>>> six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon March 26 1745 > >>>> Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound > >>>> sixteen shillings and three pence being part of principal > >>>> of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 8 1746 > >>>> Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty > >>>> five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 30 1747 > >>>> Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and > >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year and also at the same > >>>> time he paid the sum of seven pounds ten shillings in > >>>> full discharge of the within mortgage. > >>>> ====================================================== > >>>> ISAAC ROBINS > >>>> > >>>> LDS Film # 1028302 > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > >>>> Account Books and Mortgages > >>>> No. 20 > >>>> Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of > >>>> Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the > >>>> consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the > >>>> commissioners of the Land Office of the County of > >>>> Hunterdon All that tract of Land Messauges & plantation > >>>> situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & > >>>> Bounded as follows Viz > >>>> On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on > >>>> the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas > >>>> Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon > >>>> being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Land formerly > >>>> ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a > >>>> largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John > >>>> Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased > >>>> father to the said > >>>> Isaac Robins âEUR" formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred > >>>> Acres > >>>> In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day > >>>> of March Anno Domini 1737 > >>>> Isaac Robins > >>>> Signed in presence of > >>>> James Neilson > >>>> Jacob Kinney > >>>> > >>>> LDS Film#946855 > >>>> > >>>> No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that > >>>> repeats the specifics of the agreement and property > >>>> description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 27th 1738 > >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five > >>>> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon March 27th 1739 > >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three > >>>> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 29th 1740 > >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings > >>>> and six pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds > >>>> ten shillings. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 30th 1741 > >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling > >>>> and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 6th 1742 > >>>> Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty > >>>> shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 28th 1743 > >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and > >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1744 > >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six > >>>> pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest > >>>> due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > >>>> Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty > >>>> six shillings and three pence being part of principal of > >>>> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1745 > >>>> Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five > >>>> shillings and three pence being part of principal of > >>>> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 24th 1746 > >>>> Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of > >>>> Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty > >>>> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 30th 1747 > >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and > >>>> nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. > >>>> Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1748 > >>>> Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two > >>>> shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty > >>>> pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 27th 1749 > >>>> Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one > >>>> shillings and three pence being part of principal of > >>>> Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. > >>>> > >>>> Hunterdon April 26th 1750 > >>>> Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part > >>>> of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for > >>>> One year. > >>>> ===================================================== > >>>> > >>>> --- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, > >>>> "Sara" mailto:july37@ wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of > >>>> Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. > >>>> abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of > >>>> Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the descendants of > >>>> Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 > >>>> may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. > >>>> If this is correct then Richard would have been a father > >>>> at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't seem likely > >>>> to me Richard was Elisha's father. > >>>> > Sara > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:475 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-09-12 07:58:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Below are John Taylor's thoughts about Elisha Robins from an email to me in 2006: . . . In 1732 Elisha, Daniel and Moses were named as debtors in the will of John Severans of Trenton. This Elisha would have been born closer to 1700 and was more likely the son of 2-Daniel and brother to 3-Daniel (bor n 1692). It is likely his son "Elisha Robins Jr" who died on 11/28/1763, Newton twp, Sussex County. Could the Elisha Robins who went to NC have been from 1-Aaron Robins' son Daniel/Mary who had son Elisha born likely 1720 to 1730? He would have lived closer in NJ to 1-Joseph's children that went to NC. John Taylor ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:476 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-12 08:05:18 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: John, Your work of many, many years is appreciated by those of us who are interested in having an accurate family history & not a fictional one. I'm so glad Tracey posted her findings so you could give us the benefit of your expertise on these Robins/Robbins of VA, NC & KY. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 I'm afraid Eugene Robbins has only copied the same old fictional genealogy of the Robbins family of Rowan and Randolph Cos., NC. I have been working for many years trying to drive a stake through its heart but it jus t keeps recycling around the Internet to be picked up and spread again. Picking through it: The first fiction is the Welsh origin - it has been solidly disproved by DNA that links these families to Daniel Robins, c1627-1714. There is no evidence that this Isaac Robbins even existed. Elisha Robbins was a real person who appears in Rowan Co. tax lists and land entries in the 1750s. In a 1759 land warrant to John Nation granting him land that had been entered by Elisha Robbins it is noted that Elish a Robbins was no longer in the province. No record of where he went has been found. The Franklin Co., VA, connection is only a supposition based on Jacob Robbins having moved there. Jacob Robbins was the son of Richard Robbins (b. c1710?). This is evidenced in the 1750 and 1751 Dan River tax lists. Jacob was born before 1735 and not in Wales. He did move to Franklin Co., VA, and later he and his sons moved to Henry and Shelby Cos., KY and Indiana etc. Matthew Robbins appears in some Rowan Co., tax lists in 1750s and as late as 1768. What became of him is unknown. His wife is also unknown. John Nation in his will does mention a daughter Bethia Robbins but her husba nd is not identified - that she married Matthew (or Matthias) Robbins is only an undocumented guess. Alice was the wife of Joseph Robbins III. Her maiden name is unknown. Because her mark was "AR" the fiction writer concluded her "signature" Alice AR Robbins, meant her name was Alice A. Robbins Robbins. and then plac ed her in the Elisha catch all basket. William Robbins is a long story. He was a son of Joseph Robbins Jr. William is misidentified in KY (the one in KY was from Pennsylvania) so he was placed in the Elisha catch all basket. Deeds show William's wife's na me was Elizabeth but Bryant researchers deny she was a Bryant. The Bryant connection came about because William was security for Martha Robbins Bryant on her husband's estate. Martha was a daughter of John Robbins - Wi lliam's brother who was mentally unstable as a result of a Rev. War injury. Martha's story can be found in a bio of John's grandsons (great grandson?) in Indiana. William was a large slave owner who moved from Randolph Co. to Pendleton Dist., SC, in the 1790s. Nathaniel Robbins did live in Franklin Co., VA, and in Kentucky. He had a daughter that married one of Jacob Robbins's sons. I don't know who Nathaniel's father was but sincerely doubt it was Elisha even though Nathan iel has been tossed into the Elisha catch all basket. ___ As for the Robbins family in Edgecomb Co., NC, its been confirmed by DNA that they were from eastern Virginia and not descended from Daniel Robbins. __ The Rutherford Co., NC, Robbins family DNA tests match those of descendants of Daniel Robins. The connection remains a mystery. __ Tracey, I feel bad about trashing your posting, but I felt that I needed to jump in here and try to squash the Welsh myth and its consequences again. Please keep sharing and posting. -John German marcelofamilytx wrote: Hi, The Family History Library is digitizing many books. Among them is this one: THE ROBBINS FAMILIES OF VIRGINIA AND NORTH CAROLINA A GENEALOGICAL STUDY 1 SEPTEMBER 2006 BY EUGENE W. ROBBINS http://churchhistorycatalog.lds.org/viewer.jsp?dps_pid=IE65487 In it, these Elisha Robbins are listed: ELISHA ROBBINS b cl704 Monmouthshire, Wales, m (XX) (XX). Son of Isaac ROBBINSZ(XX) (XX). Ch: Mathew b 1717/23 Rowan Co, NC, m 1741 Bethia NATION; Alice b 1731 Rowan Co, NC; William b cl736 England/Wales m Elizabeth BRYANT; Jacob b cl738 England/Wales d 1810 Jennings Co, IN/KY, m cl758 Mary WELLS; Nathaniel b cl742 England/Wales m Ann (XX). EUsha moved from Randolph Co, NC, to Franklin Co, VA, about 1759. His children moved to Henry and Shelby Co, KY, then scattered into Jefferson, Scott, Jennings, Decatur, and Washington Co, IN. Some ofthe Jefferson Co, IN, families went to Montgomery Co, IN. Later, some ofthe Decatur Co. famiUes went to MO and OR. ELISHA ROBBINS b 1765 Edgecombe Co, NC, d before 4 Oct 1826 Edgecombe Co, NC, m before 1809 Elizabeth (XX). Son of Jacob ROBBINS/Mary MCMULLINS. Ch: Duncan b 25 Dec 1809 Edgecombe Co, NC, d 15 May 1885 Rankin Co, MS, m 18 Feb 1831 Edgecombe Co, NC, Peninah BARNES; Carter b cl810 m Martha (XX); Jordan A. b 1811 NC d 1860 m(l) 22 Dec 1834 Eliza BARNES m(2) 15 Nov 1842 Elizabeth PARKER; Wanen b 1814 NC m 8 Jan 1835 Elizabeth DABB; John Quincy b NC m 25 May 1848 Noxubee Co, MS, Mahalia Jane BRIDGES; Jacob b cl820/25 NC m Elizabeth (XX); Leroy S. b 1826 NC m 27 Sep 1849 Noxubee Co, MS, Martha DEW; Joseph; Frederick b NC; Elizabeth b NC m 19 Jan 1846 Edgecombe Co, NC, Thomas J. BRASWELL; Budy; Ester; George; PoUy: Cerley. ELISHA ROBBINS b cl770. Bound as apprentice to Jethro MELTEAR 25 May 1781 Gates Co, NC. Declared insolvent 1794. ELISHA ROBBINS m 6 Jan 1857 Edgecombe Co, NC, Rachel R. C. ROBBINS. ELISHA ROBBINS b 1838 Rutherford Co, NC. m 28 Jan 1858 Rutherford Co, NC, Susan TAYLOR. I didn't find "sources" in this book but maybe it will give our VA/NC Robbins researchers some leads. Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: In Rowan (now Randolph) Co., NC, in the 1750s were Joseph Robins Jr. and Richard Robbins - they seem to get the most attention. However, there was another "bunch" who do not "fit". William Robins who married Frances Nation had a son born before 1753 - they lived on Polecat Creek and he is often assumed to be a son of Joseph Jr but I believe Joseph's William lived on Caraway Creek next to his brothers John and Joseph III. William of Polecat Creek along with Elisha and a Richard "Jr" worked surveys together in 1750s. I don't know that this Richard Jr was the other Richard's son as an apparently younger Richard Jr born in 1740s is later found in Rowan Co. Two more mystery names are Matthew (or Matthias) Robbins and Jonathan Robbins who appear in the 1768 Rowan Co., tax list apart from the other Robbins families; Matthew also appears in a Rowan tax list in the 1750s. Jonathan seems to have moved up to southwest Virginia and his sons moved on to Scott Co., Tennessee. Another mystery family is that of a William Robbins (b. c1750?) who died in Rutherford Co., NC, c1816. He is the ancestor of Tamara Stevens. DNA testing confirms he is probably a descendant of Daniel Robins. We would certainly like to know more - a lot more about these unattached Robbins families. Sara Hoffman wrote: Mrs. Lehman has Elisha's father as Isaac Robbins from Wales. Her research was done long before the DNA proved the Wales theory to be invalid. Since Elisha had no known children there would be no DNA for him. It makes me wonder when I find early Robbins in NJ who seem to disappear & unable to find where & when they died that they may have migrated elsewhere. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: C ROBBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Back Creek by Sarah Robbins Lehman contains many errors. Chris Robbins From: Sara Hoffman > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 John, According to the research of Sarah Robbins Lehman, Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 of NC & died about or after 1759. He had two wives Mary Wade & Hepsibeth ? with a total of 7 children between both wives. Is this the same Elisha you say had no children? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Contrary to the fictional NC Robbins genealogies, no children of Elisha Robbins are known - the one most often falsely stated as a child was Jacob who is now proven to be a son of Richard. Sara Hoffman wrote: Tracey, Thanks so much for your input. This is exactly what I was referencing. I appreciate the work you do on the Robins family. You were the first to discover these documents & the one that confirms Isaac was the son of Daniel Robins. Although no document has been located that specifically states Elisha & Joshua were also Daniel's sons I believe the evidence you presented is enough to link them as sons. Job Robins' will mentions his mother Mary who was living in 1758, an indication she was most likely Mary (mnu) the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr. Regarding Elisha & the possiblity that one of the NJ Elisha's went to NC. Has any DNA testing been done on the Elisha of NC descendants? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: marcelofamilytx To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:05 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Hi all, Below is the original post I made back in 2009 about the mortgages. The Elisha discussion that Sara remembers is in it. Only the mortgage of Isaac specifically says that Daniel was his father. But the property in the other mortgages including Elisha's HAD been owned by Daniel Robins. Tracey ==================================== Hunterdon Co. NJ Mortgages 1737 Posted by: "marcelofamilytx" mailto:tmarcelo%40austin.rr.com marcelofamilytx Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm (PDT) Hunterdon Co. Mortgages I had the opportunity to look at the Hunterdon Co. Mortgages 1737-1745 and 1737-1748 for Robins. (I used microfilms from my local LDS family history center.) The mortgages I looked at are: Joshua Robins No. 8 (Amos Thatcher No. 9) Elisha Robins No. 10 Isaac Robins No. 20 I include Amos Thatcher's mortgage here because mortgages No. 8 (Joshua Robins'), 9 (Amos Thatcher's), and 10 (Elisha Robins') were all witnessed by Job Robins. All 4 mortgages (8, 9, 10, and 20) were made on the same day: March 27, 1737. The property descriptions for all 4 mortgages indicate that the property in each case had originally been owned by "Daniel Robins." A couple of the mortgages refer to him as "Daniel Robins deceased." And Isaac's mortgage specifically says that Daniel Robins deceased was his father. (Also, I was able to match the description of Joshua Robins' property to a 1714 survey made to Daniel Robins.) Is this Daniel Robins b. 1666 d.between 1733-1756? If so, then I believe we can conclude that he died between 1733 (when the article was written about him) and March 27 1737 when these mortgages were made. I also think it is quite telling that Job Robins was involved in each of the four mortgages. Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and Elisha Robins. In the list of payments made on the mortgages, Job made two of Joshua's payments (1748 and 1749) and three of Isaac's after his death (1742, 1748, 1749). Actually, several people paid Isaac's mortgage over the years, including Jonathan Robins, Andrew Pettit, and Richard Lanning. In any case, I believe we've already concluded that the Isaac Robins who died in 1741 was Job's brother. (And the Isaac with the mortgage seems to be the same Isaac.) Amos Thatcher appears to have been Job's son in law as it seems he was married to Job's daughter Lydia. (Not sure if that's been proven.) So what is Job's relation to Joshua Robins and Elisha Robins? Job only names two sons in his will: Daniel and Andrew. That makes me think Joshua and Elisha aren't his sons...but of course we know that not all children are named in a will! I suppose we can conclude that they are SOMEHOW related to Job. I also wonder how old someone needed to be to take out a mortgage. Can we assume these men were at least 21 years old or older? (If so, each would be born 1716 or earlier.) Lots to ponder!! I have posted PDFs of the images of each these mortgages at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ Below are my transcriptions of each. ========================================== JOSHUA ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 8 Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. Joshua Robins Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins Note from Tracey: This property seems to match the survey transcribed in Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222: Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart's (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became Morris County. From "Early Germans in New Jersey" by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: "David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley's Mountain." Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. LDS Film#946855 No. 8 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27th 1738 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon March 27th 1739 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April the 29th 1740 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. April 30th 1742 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Two pounds one shilling and 3 pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 6th 1742 Joshua Robins paid the sum of forty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. April the 28th 1743 Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Joshua Robins paid the sum of thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 24th 1746 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Joshua Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings and three pence being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Joshua Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for one year. ============================================ AMOS THATCHER: LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 9 Amos Thatcher of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Deed of Mortgage In consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the Commissioners of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon the following tract of Land Messuage and plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is butted and bounded as followeth Viz. Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to another stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight links to another stone corner, thence North twenty five chains and a half to a stone corner in John Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins land thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Amos Thatcher, his A mark. Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins LDS Film#946855 No. 9 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27 1738 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26 1739 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1740 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and 6 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1741 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 29th 1742 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1743 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1746 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 25th 1751 Amos Thatcher paid the sum of twenty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. ================================================================ ELISHA ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 10 Elisha Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage No. 10 for the consideration of twenty pounds to him in hand paid the consignees of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon on the aforesaid tract of Land Messauge & plantation Situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted and bounded as followeth Vizt Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine links to a stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West Twenty eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning containing one hundred acres. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand the Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Elisha Robins Signed in the presence of Job Robins James Neilson LDS Film#946855 No. 10 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 11(?) 1738 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and Five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 27 1739 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1740 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24 1741 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shillings and 3 pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1742 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Two pounds being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 20 1743 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26 1744 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty seven shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 26 1745 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of One pound sixteen shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 8 1746 Elisha Robins by James Lawrens paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30 1747 Elisha Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year and also at the same time he paid the sum of seven pounds ten shillings in full discharge of the within mortgage. ====================================================== ISAAC ROBINS LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 20 Isaac Robins of the Township of Amwell in the County of Hunterdon Doth convey by Deed of Mortgage For the consideration of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by the commissioners of the Land Office of the County of Hunterdon All that tract of Land Messauges & plantation situate in the Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & Bounded as follows Viz On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Land formerly ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased father to the said Isaac Robins ââ¬" formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred Acres In witness whereof I set my hand on the Twenty Fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737 Isaac Robins Signed in presence of James Neilson Jacob Kinney LDS Film#946855 No.20 (First page of this record is a printed form that repeats the specifics of the agreement and property description and provides the terms of the mortgage.) Hunterdon April 27th 1738 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon March 27th 1739 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and three shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 29th 1740 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twelve pounds ten shillings. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1741 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Two pounds and one shilling and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 6th 1742 Isaac Robins by Job Robins paid the sum of Forty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 28th 1743 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty eight shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1744 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Isaac Robins by Jonathan Robins paid the sum of Thirty six shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1745 Isaac Robins by Andrew Pettit paid the sum of Thirty five shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 24th 1746 Isaac Robins Dec'd by Richard Lanning paid the sum of Thirty five shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 30th 1747 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty three shillings and nine pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1748 Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty two shillings and six pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 27th 1749 Isaac Robins paid by Job Robins the sum of Thirty one shillings and three pence being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. Hunterdon April 26th 1750 Isaac Robins paid the sum of Thirty shillings being part of principal of Twenty pounds. Interest due thereon for One year. ===================================================== --- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, "Sara" mailto:july37@ wrote: > > Elisha Robbins born about 1704 in Monmouth Co son of Daniel Robins, Jr. Is it possible the Elisha Robbins b. abt. 1725 ? & d. 1760 Randolph Co., NC was the son of Elisha Robins 1704? Any DNA testing on the descendants of Elisha Robbins of NC? My notes say Elisha Robbins b. 1725 may have been the son of Richard Robbins 1710/12 of NC. If this is correct then Richard would have been a father at approximately 13 to 15 years old. Doesn't seem likely to me Richard was Elisha's father. > Sara > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:477 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-12 08:39:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: I agree with the first paragraph that this Elisha was most likely the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. & his 2nd wife Mary. However, I'm not sure about the estimated birth date of 1720-1730 for the Elisha Robins son of Daniel 1706-1776 (1-Aaron line) & his 2nd wife Mary Cunningham b. abt. 1748. Their son Elisha was born 1769 & died April 17, 1832 at Allentown, Monmouth Co. He is buried at Old Christ Episcopal Church Cemetery. I have a photo of his gravestone inscribed with his date date & age at the time of his death as 63. Any thoughts on this Elisha? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Below are John Taylor's thoughts about Elisha Robins from an email to me in 2006: . . . In 1732 Elisha, Daniel and Moses were named as debtors in the will of John Severans of Trenton. This Elisha would have been born closer to 1700 and was more likely the son of 2-Daniel and brother to 3-Daniel (bo rn 1692). It is likely his son "Elisha Robins Jr" who died on 11/28/1763, Newton twp, Sussex County. Could the Elisha Robins who went to NC have been from 1-Aaron Robins' son Daniel/Mary who had son Elisha born likely 1720 to 1730? He would have lived closer in NJ to 1-Joseph's children that went to NC. John Taylor ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:478 Sender:BRIAN ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-09-13 05:34:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Hello All,  I was wondering if anyone has run across a Aaron Robins, born abt 1783 in Monmouth Co, NJ. He may have been the son of a Ephraim Robins, who died in Connellsville, Pa abt 1817. Aaron died there in 1874.  I believe he is of the Aaron Robins line, youngest son of our Daniel Robinson of Scotland.  Thanks in advance for all of your help.. Brian Robbins From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725  I agree with the first paragraph that this Elisha was most likely the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. & his 2nd wife Mary.  However, I'm not sure about the estimated birth date of 1720-1730 for the Elisha Robins son of Daniel 1706-1776 (1-Aaron line) & his 2nd wife Mary Cunningham b. abt. 1748. Their son Elisha was born 1769 & died Apri l 17, 1832 at Allentown, Monmouth Co. He is buried at Old Christ Episcopal Church Cemetery. I have a photo of his gravestone inscribed with his date date & age at the time of his death as 63. Any thoughts on this Eli sha?                                                                                           Sara  ----- Original Message ----- >From: John German >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:58 AM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > >Below are John Taylor's thoughts about Elisha Robins from an email to me >in 2006: > >. . . In 1732 Elisha, Daniel and Moses were named as debtors in the will of John Severans of Trenton. This Elisha would have been born closer to 1700 and was more likely the son of 2-Daniel and brother to 3-Daniel (bor n 1692). It is likely his son "Elisha Robins Jr" who died on 11/28/1763, Newton twp, Sussex County. > >Could the Elisha Robins who went to NC have been from 1-Aaron Robins' son Daniel/Mary who had son Elisha born likely 1720 to 1730? He would have lived closer in NJ to 1-Joseph's children that went to NC. > >John Taylor > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:479 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-20 14:47:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Brian, As you know the Y-DNA of the Aaron Robins b.1783 NJ & d. 1874 PA line matches the DNA of the descendants of Daniel Robinson/Robins. However, finding a well documented paper trail for Aaron Robins of NJ/PA doesn't appea r likely at this time. The DNA along with all the circumstantial evidence does establish him as a Daniel Robins descendant. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: BRIAN ROBBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Hello All, I was wondering if anyone has run across a Aaron Robins, born abt 1783 in Monmouth Co, NJ. He may have been the son of a Ephraim Robins, who died in Connellsville, Pa abt 1817. Aaron died there in 1874. I believe he is of the Aaron Robins line, youngest son of our Daniel Robinson of Scotland. Thanks in advance for all of your help.. Brian Robbins From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 I agree with the first paragraph that this Elisha was most likely the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. & his 2nd wife Mary. However, I'm not sure about the estimated birth date of 1720-1730 for the Elisha Robins son of Daniel 1706-1776 (1-Aaron line) & his 2nd wife Mary Cunningham b. abt. 1748. Their son Elisha was born 1769 & died April 1 7, 1832 at Allentown, Monmouth Co. He is buried at Old Christ Episcopal Church Cemetery. I have a photo of his gravestone inscribed with his date date & age at the time of his death as 63. Any thoughts on this Elisha? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Below are John Taylor's thoughts about Elisha Robins from an email to me in 2006: . . . In 1732 Elisha, Daniel and Moses were named as debtors in the will of John Severans of Trenton. This Elisha would have been born closer to 1700 and was more likely the son of 2-Daniel and brother to 3-Daniel ( born 1692). It is likely his son "Elisha Robins Jr" who died on 11/28/1763, Newton twp, Sussex County. Could the Elisha Robins who went to NC have been from 1-Aaron Robins' son Daniel/Mary who had son Elisha born likely 1720 to 1730? He would have lived closer in NJ to 1-Joseph's children that went to NC. John Taylor ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:480 Sender:BRIAN ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-09-20 17:35:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: Thanks again Sara  Brian ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725   Brian,  As you know the Y-DNA of the Aaron Robins b.1783 NJ & d. 1874 PA line matches the DNA of the descendants of Daniel Robinson/Robins. However, finding a well documented paper trail for Aaron Robins of NJ/PA doesn't appear likely at this time. The DNA along with all the circumstantial evidence does establish him as a Daniel Robins descendant.                                                                                    Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: BRIAN ROBBINS >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:34 AM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > >Hello All, > >I was wondering if anyone has run across a Aaron Robins, born abt 1783 in Monmouth Co, NJ. He may have been the son of a Ephraim Robins, who died in Connellsville, Pa abt 1817. Aaron died there in 1874. > >I believe he is of the Aaron Robins line, youngest son of our Daniel Robinson of Scotland. > >Thanks in advance for all of your help.. >Brian Robbins > > > >________________________________ >From: Sara Hoffman >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:39 AM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 > > > >I agree with the first paragraph that this Elisha was most likely the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. & his 2nd wife Mary. > >However, I'm not sure about the estimated birth date of 1720-1730 for the Elisha Robins son of Daniel 1706-1776 (1-Aaron line) & his 2nd wife Mary Cunningham b. abt. 1748. Their son Elisha was born 1769 & died April 17, 1832 at Allentown, Monmouth Co. He is buried at Old Christ Episcopal Church Cemetery. I have a photo of his gravestone inscribed with his date date & age at the time of his death as 63. Any thoughts on t his Elisha? >                                                                                          Sara > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: John German >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:58 AM >>Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 >> >> >>Below are John Taylor's thoughts about Elisha Robins from an email to me >>in 2006: >> >>. . . In 1732 Elisha, Daniel and Moses were named as debtors in the will of John Severans of Trenton. This Elisha would have been born closer to 1700 and was more likely the son of 2-Daniel and brother to 3-Daniel (born 1692). It is likely his son "Elisha Robins Jr" who died on 11/28/1763, Newton twp, Sussex County. >> >>Could the Elisha Robins who went to NC have been from 1-Aaron Robins' son Daniel/Mary who had son Elisha born likely 1720 to 1730? He would have lived closer in NJ to 1-Joseph's children that went to NC. >> >>John Taylor >> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:481 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-09-20 19:04:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Message: You are welcome. Thanks for all the work you have done on the PA Robbins family. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: BRIAN ROBBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Thanks again Sara Brian From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725  Brian, As you know the Y-DNA of the Aaron Robins b.1783 NJ & d. 1874 PA line matches the DNA of the descendants of Daniel Robinson/Robins. However, finding a well documented paper trail for Aaron Robins of NJ/PA doesn't app ear likely at this time. The DNA along with all the circumstantial evidence does establish him as a Daniel Robins descendant. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: BRIAN ROBBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Hello All, I was wondering if anyone has run across a Aaron Robins, born abt 1783 in Monmouth Co, NJ. He may have been the son of a Ephraim Robins, who died in Connellsville, Pa abt 1817. Aaron died there in 1874. I believe he is of the Aaron Robins line, youngest son of our Daniel Robinson of Scotland. Thanks in advance for all of your help.. Brian Robbins From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 I agree with the first paragraph that this Elisha was most likely the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. & his 2nd wife Mary. However, I'm not sure about the estimated birth date of 1720-1730 for the Elisha Robins son of Daniel 1706-1776 (1-Aaron line) & his 2nd wife Mary Cunningham b. abt. 1748. Their son Elisha was born 1769 & died April 17, 1832 at Allentown, Monmouth Co. He is buried at Old Christ Episcopal Church Cemetery. I have a photo of his gravestone inscribed with his date date & age at the time of his death as 63. Any thoughts on this Elisha? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Elisha Robbins 1704 & 1725 Below are John Taylor's thoughts about Elisha Robins from an email to me in 2006: . . . In 1732 Elisha, Daniel and Moses were named as debtors in the will of John Severans of Trenton. This Elisha would have been born closer to 1700 and was more likely the son of 2-Daniel and brother to 3-Daniel (born 1692). It is likely his son "Elisha Robins Jr" who died on 11/28/1763, Newton twp, Sussex County. Could the Elisha Robins who went to NC have been from 1-Aaron Robins' son Daniel/Mary who had son Elisha born likely 1720 to 1730? He would have lived closer in NJ to 1-Joseph's children that went to NC. John Taylor ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:482 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-09-27 17:48:31 Subject:Origins of the Jersey Settlement of Rowan Co., NC Message: I recently came across this link. http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dewitt/mckstmerjersey.htm Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:483 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-09-28 17:54:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Origins of the Jersey Settlement of Rowan Co., NC Message: WOW! ________________________________ From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2012, 20:48:31 Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Origins of the Jersey Settlement of Rowan Co., NC  I recently came across this link. http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dewitt/mckstmerjersey.htm Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:484 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-10-16 16:15:53 Subject:Death date & place of Hannah Pack Robins Message: I've noted some Scudder family researchers have posted on ancestry that Hannah Pack wife of Joseph Robins, Sr. (1670-1709) died in 1751 in North Carolina. I'd like to mention for the Robbins researchers that there is no evidence to prove Hannah Pack Robins died in 1751 in NC. The last mention of Hannah Pack Robins was in the 1709 will of her husband Joseph Robins. At that time she was living in NJ & expecting a child. The book "A Reed -Robbins Family of the Southeastern United States" compiled by Barum, Bedford, Reed, & Swain speculates that Hannah Pack Robins may have moved to North Carolina with one of her children. There is no reason to doubt this event may have occurred however, the death date & place of Hannah Pack Robins still remains unknown. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:485 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-10-18 11:30:16 Subject:Obama & Romney are Related Message: The following was published at http://blog.genealogybank.com/obama-romney-are-family-genealogy-infographic.html "Obama & Romney are both direct descendants of King Edward I of England, who was the eldest son of King Henry III and himself a father to numerous children by his two wives, Queens Eleanor and Margaret. King Edward was perhaps the most successful of the medieval English monarchs. Known as "Longshanks" due to his great height and stature, King Edward I stood head and shoulders above other men of his time, towering at a height of 6'2. R omney and Obama are chips off the old block, both are over six feet tall. Romeny measures in at 6'2 and Obama at 6'1." "Obama & Romney also have deep early American roots in their respective family trees, Mayflower passengers Edward & Samuel Fuller are both direct ancestors of Mitt Romney. They were part of a group of Pilgrims who found ed Plymouth Colony in 1620. Romney is a distant cousin to American President Thomas Jefferson and Obama is a distant cousin to President George Washington." "Wild Bill Hickok" is a distant cousin to Obama, "Billy the Kid" aka Wm H. Bonney is a distant cousin to Romney & Clint Eastwood is a distant cousin to Romney. President Obama's direct maternal ancestors Jonathan & Mary Bloomfield Dunham settled at Woodbridge, New Jersey in 1665. Jonathan Dunham was was a prominent man in the public affairs at Woodbridge from 1665-1702. It is very likely he was acquainted with Daniel Robins who settled there about 1668. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:486 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-10-18 12:26:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obama & Romney are Related Message: Tis a small world indeed.  Edward "Longshanks" is my 20th great grandfather on my maternal side. Chris From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obama & Romney are Related  The following was published at http://blog.genealogybank.com/obama-romney-are-family-genealogy-infographic.html "Obama & Romney are both direct descendants of King Edward I of England, who was the eldest son of King Henry III and himself a father to numerous children by his two wives, Queens Eleanor and Margaret. King Edward was perhaps the most successful of the medieval English monarchs. Known as "Longshanks" due to his great height and stature, King Edward I stood head and shoulders above other men of his time, towering at a height of 6'2. R omney and Obama are chips off the old block, both are over six feet tall. Romeny measures in at 6'2 and Obama at 6'1." "Obama & Romney also have deep early American roots in their respective family trees, Mayflower passengers Edward & Samuel Fuller are both direct ancestors of Mitt Romney. They were part of a group of Pilgrims who found ed Plymouth Colony in 1620. Romney is a distant cousin to American President Thomas Jefferson and Obama is a distant cousin to President George Washington." "Wild Bill Hickok" is a distant cousin to Obama, "Billy the Kid" aka Wm H. Bonney is a distant cousin to Romney & Clint Eastwood is a distant cousin to Romney. President Obama's direct maternal ancestors Jonathan & Mary Bloomfield Dunham settled at Woodbridge, New Jersey in 1665. Jonathan Dunham was was a prominent man in the public affairs at Woodbridge from 1665-1702. It is very likely he was acquainted with Daniel Robins who settled there about 1668. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:487 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-10-18 13:28:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obama & Romney are Related Message: Chris, Interesting to know we have the same ancestry from Edward "Longshanks." My connection is through Sir John Fenwick on my paternal grandmother's line. John Fenwick of Stanton Manor, Northumberland, England settled in Sal em County, NJ in 1675. I suspect there are a number of other Robbins group members who also have this same ancestry back to Edward I. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: C ROBBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obama & Romney are Related Tis a small world indeed. Edward "Longshanks" is my 20th great grandfather on my maternal side. Chris From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obama & Romney are Related The following was published at http://blog.genealogybank.com/obama-romney-are-family-genealogy-infographic.html "Obama & Romney are both direct descendants of King Edward I of England, who was the eldest son of King Henry III and himself a father to numerous children by his two wives, Queens Eleanor and Margaret. King Edward wa s perhaps the most successful of the medieval English monarchs. Known as "Longshanks" due to his great height and stature, King Edward I stood head and shoulders above other men of his time, towering at a height of 6'2. Romney and Obama are chips off the old block, both are over six feet tall. Romeny measures in at 6'2 and Obama at 6'1." "Obama & Romney also have deep early American roots in their respective family trees, Mayflower passengers Edward & Samuel Fuller are both direct ancestors of Mitt Romney. They were part of a group of Pilgrims who fou nded Plymouth Colony in 1620. Romney is a distant cousin to American President Thomas Jefferson and Obama is a distant cousin to President George Washington." "Wild Bill Hickok" is a distant cousin to Obama, "Billy the Kid" aka Wm H. Bonney is a distant cousin to Romney & Clint Eastwood is a distant cousin to Romney. President Obama's direct maternal ancestors Jonathan & Mary Bloomfield Dunham settled at Woodbridge, New Jersey in 1665. Jonathan Dunham was was a prominent man in the public affairs at Woodbridge from 1665-1702. It i s very likely he was acquainted with Daniel Robins who settled there about 1668. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:488 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-10-19 07:02:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obama & Romney are Related Message: My connection is through Edward Digges and the much debated marriage of his daughter Catherine to William Herndon.  Chris From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obama & Romney are Related   Chris,  Interesting to know we have the same ancestry from Edward "Longshanks." My connection is through Sir John Fenwick on my paternal grandmother's line. John Fenwick of Stanton Manor, Northumberland, England settled i n Salem County, NJ in 1675.  I suspect there are a number of other Robbins group members who also have this same ancestry back to Edward I.                                                                                  Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: C ROBBINS >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:26 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obama & Romney are Related > > >Tis a small world indeed.  Edward "Longshanks" is my 20th great grandfather on my maternal side. >Chris > > > > >From: Sara >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:30 PM >Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obama & Romney are Related > > >The following was published athttp://blog.genealogybank.com/obama-romney-are-family-genealogy-infographic.html "Obama & Romney are both direct descendants of King Edward I of England, who was the eldest son of King Hen ry III and himself a father to numerous children by his two wives, Queens Eleanor and Margaret. King Edward was perhaps the most successful of the medieval English monarchs. Known as "Longshanks" due to his great height and stature, King Edward I stood head and shoulders above other men of his time, towering at a height of 6'2. Romney and Obama are chips off the old block, both are over six feet tall. Romeny measures in at 6'2 and Oba ma at 6'1.""Obama & Romney also have deep early American roots in their respective family trees, Mayflower passengers Edward & Samuel Fuller are both direct ancestors of Mitt Romney. They were part of a group of Pilgrim s who founded Plymouth Colony in 1620. Romney is a distant cousin to American President Thomas Jefferson and Obama is a distant cousin to President George Washington.""Wild Bill Hickok" is a distant cousin to Obama, "Billy the Kid" aka Wm H. Bonney is a distant cousin to Romney & Clint Eastwood is a dista nt cousin to Romney.President Obama's direct maternal ancestors Jonathan & Mary Bloomfield Dunham settled at Woodbridge, New Jersey in 1665. Jonathan Dunham was was a prominent man in the public affairs at Woodbridge fr om 1665-1702. It is very likely he was acquainted with Daniel Robins who settled there about 1668.Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:489 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-10-28 10:52:22 Subject:Member Request Message: Glenda Tidwell Robbins asked me to post the following message for her. My name is Glenda Tidwell Robbins, and I am a member of the Robbins Family group, but am having trouble logging in, I have a request that I would appreciate you posting for me. Our Robbins Family Group is filled with good people helping each other. With that in mind, several of our members need your help in a different way. I know at least two of us, who are facing life threatening health issu es. If you believe in prayer, please take a minute each day and pray for our entire group who are facing these frightening times in their lives. I don't wish to offend anyone, so please take this request in the spirit it is offered. Glenda Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:490 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-10-28 11:00:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Member Request Message: Glenda, Thank you for making us all aware of the urgent need for prayer support for Robbins Family members right now. Two members are already on my pray list. I believe the power of prayer can change things so again thank you. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Member Request Glenda Tidwell Robbins asked me to post the following message for her. My name is Glenda Tidwell Robbins, and I am a member of the Robbins Family group, but am having trouble logging in, I have a request that I would appreciate you posting for me. Our Robbins Family Group is filled with good people helping each other. With that in mind, several of our members need your help in a different way. I know at least two of us, who are facing life threatening health is sues. If you believe in prayer, please take a minute each day and pray for our entire group who are facing these frightening times in their lives. I don't wish to offend anyone, so please take this request in the spirit it is offered. Glenda Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:491 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-10-28 19:19:48 Subject:Fwd: member request Message: A message from our very own Glenda, who was having issues trying to login to the group to post. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Glenda Date: Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:05 AM Subject: member request To: todd.d.robbins@... Hi Todd,**** My name is Glenda Tidwell Robbins, and I am a member of the Robbins Family group, but am having trouble logging in. I have a request that I would appreciate you posting for me.**** ** ** Our Robbins Family Group is filled with good people helping each other. With that in mind, several of our members need your help in a different way. I know at least two of us, who are facing life threatening health issues. If you believe in prayer, please take a minute each day and pray for our entire group who are facing these frightening times in their lives.* *** I donât wish to offend anyone, so please take this request in the spirit it is offered. **** Glenda Robbins**** ** ** -- Tod Robbins MLIS 2012 | University of Washington todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:492 Sender:"Tod Robbins" Post Date/Time:2012-10-28 19:23:43 Subject:Re: Fwd: member request Message: My apologies for double-posting. I didn't receive Sara's original posting of Glenda's message for some reason. Cheers! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:493 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-11-16 10:59:07 Subject:hello! Message: check this out http://careers.nbcnews-1.com/jobs/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:494 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-11-18 08:24:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] hello! Message: Was this an intentional email or was your email account hacked? On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:59 AM, C ROBBINS wrote: > ** > > > check this out http://careers.nbcnews-1.com/jobs/ > > > -- Tod Robbins MLIS 2012 | University of Washington todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:495 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-11-18 08:33:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] hello! Message: Hacked! From: "todd.d.robbins@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] hello!  Was this an intentional email or was your email account hacked? On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:59 AM, C ROBBINS wrote:  >check this out http://careers.nbcnews-1.com/jobs/ -- Tod Robbins MLIS 2012 | University of Washington todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:496 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-11-18 15:54:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] hello! Message: Good to know. You are forgiven. :D On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM, C ROBBINS wrote: > ** > > > Hacked! > > *From:* "todd.d.robbins@..." > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:24 AM > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] hello! > ** > > Was this an intentional email or was your email account hacked? > **** > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:59 AM, C ROBBINS wrote: > ** > > ** > > check this out http://careers.nbcnews-1.com/jobs/ > > **** > ** > -- **Tod Robbins > MLIS 2012 | University of Washington > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ** > **** > > > -- Tod Robbins MLIS 2012 | University of Washington todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:498 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-11-21 19:21:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] (unknown) Message: Dale, Thank you. I wish you & all members a Very Happy Thanksgiving. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 6:52 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] (unknown) Happy Thanksgiving to all! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:499 Sender:"tkrobbins1" Post Date/Time:2012-11-30 19:56:15 Subject:Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Message: Went to the Robbins Burial Ground today. It looks like a tornado touched downed at the trail head. Lots of trees down and the corn stalks look twisted. No damage to cemetery itself, however. Trail is blocked but I d id bushwhacked up the left side to get to the top of the hill. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:500 Sender:Tod Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-11-30 20:08:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Message: Wow. Thanks for the update! This is post-Sandy, right? Also, I know we have discussed the ownership/stewardship of the burial grounds before but could those with more information fill us in about the status of the grounds in general? Cheers! Sent from my phone On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:56 PM, tkrobbins1 wrote: Went to the Robbins Burial Ground today. It looks like a tornado touched downed at the trail head. Lots of trees down and the corn stalks look twisted. No damage to cemetery itself, however. Trail is blocked but I did bushwhacked up the left side to get to the top of the hill. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:501 Sender:tomRobbins@... Post Date/Time:2012-12-01 08:29:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Message: I looked into this several years ago and was in contact some folks in either the Fish and Wildlife divison or other agency. Bottom line: They were looking into wether they had the deed, but never got a definite respon se back from them. I don't believe they have the deed and it was probably assumed that the land was part of the larger plot being donated. I recommend we don't pursue owernship due to unforseen tax liabilities (not sure whether this land was ever taxed, exempted, etc.). It is now part of the state preserve and can't be used (unless you want to be buried on it - not sure that's an option either without a deed in hand).  I've attached a photo of the destruction at the trailhead. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Robbins" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:08:59 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground  Wow. Thanks for the update! This is post-Sandy, right? Also, I know we have discussed  the ownership/stewardship of the burial grounds before but could those with more information fill us in about the status of the grounds in general? Cheers! Sent from my phone On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:56 PM, tkrobbins1 < tomRobbins@... > wrote:  Went to the Robbins Burial Ground today. It looks like a tornado touched downed at the trail head. Lots of trees down and the corn stalks look twisted. No damage to cemetery itself, however. Trail is blocked but I did b ushwhacked up the left side to get to the top of the hill. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:502 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2012-12-01 08:33:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Message: Good work!!! ________________________________ From: "tomRobbins@comcast.net" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 1, 2012 7:30:54 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground I looked into this several years ago and was in contact some folks in either the Fish and Wildlife divison or other agency. Bottom line: They were looking into wether they had the deed, but never got a definite response back from them. I don't believe they have the deed and it was probably assumed that the land was part of the larger plot being donated. I recommend we don't pursue owernship due to unforseen tax liabilities (not sure whether this land was ever taxed, exempted, etc.). It is now part of the state preserve and can't be used (unless you want to be buried on it - not sure that's an option either without a deed in hand). I've attached a photo of the destruction at the trailhead. Tom ________________________________ From: "Tod Robbins" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:08:59 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Wow. Thanks for the update! This is post-Sandy, right? Also, I know we have discussed the ownership/stewardship of the burial grounds before but could those with more information fill us in about the status of the grounds in general? Cheers! Sent from my phone On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:56 PM, tkrobbins1 wrote: >Went to the Robbins Burial Ground today. It looks like a tornado touched downed >at the trail head. Lots of trees down and the corn stalks look twisted. No >damage to cemetery itself, however. Trail is blocked but I did bushwhacked up >the left side to get to the top of the hill. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:503 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-12-01 15:39:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Message: Can't imagine that there are taxes associated with cemeteries. Perhaps there is some way that we all could be involved in keeping the place intact. ________________________________ From: Dorman Nelson To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2012, 10:33:36 Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground  Good work!!! ________________________________ From: "tomRobbins@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 1, 2012 7:30:54 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground  I looked into this several years ago and was in contact some folks in either the Fish and Wildlife divison or other agency. Bottom line: They were looking into wether they had the deed, but never got a definite respon se back from them. I don't believe they have the deed and it was probably assumed that the land was part of the larger plot being donated. I recommend we don't pursue owernship due to unforseen tax liabilities (not sure whether this land was ever taxed, exempted, etc.). It is now part of the state preserve and can't be used (unless you want to be buried on it - not sure that's an option either without a deed in hand).   I've attached a photo of the destruction at the trailhead.  Tom ________________________________ From: "Tod Robbins" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:08:59 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground  Wow. Thanks for the update! This is post-Sandy, right? Also, I know we have discussed  the ownership/stewardship of the burial grounds before but could those with more information fill us in about the status of the grounds in general? Cheers! Sent from my phone On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:56 PM, tkrobbins1 wrote:  >Went to the Robbins Burial Ground today. It looks like a tornado touched downed at the trail head. Lots of trees down and the corn stalks look twisted. No damage to cemetery itself, however. Trail is blocked but I did bushwhacked up the left side to get to the top of the hill. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:504 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-01 17:15:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Message: ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Can't imagine that there are taxes associated with cemeteries. Perhaps there is some way that we all could be involved in keeping the place intact. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Dorman Nelson To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2012, 10:33:36 Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Good work!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "tomRobbins@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 1, 2012 7:30:54 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground I looked into this several years ago and was in contact some folks in either the Fish and Wildlife divison or other agency. Bottom line: They were looking into wether they had the deed, but never got a definite respo nse back from them. I don't believe they have the deed and it was probably assumed that the land was part of the larger plot being donated. I recommend we don't pursue owernship due to unforseen tax liabilities (not s ure whether this land was ever taxed, exempted, etc.). It is now part of the state preserve and can't be used (unless you want to be buried on it - not sure that's an option either without a deed in hand). I've attached a photo of the destruction at the trailhead. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Tod Robbins" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:08:59 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Wow. Thanks for the update! This is post-Sandy, right? Also, I know we have discussed the ownership/stewardship of the burial grounds before but could those with more information fill us in about the status of the grounds in general? Cheers! Sent from my phone On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:56 PM, tkrobbins1 wrote: Went to the Robbins Burial Ground today. It looks like a tornado touched downed at the trail head. Lots of trees down and the corn stalks look twisted. No damage to cemetery itself, however. Trail is blocked but I d id bushwhacked up the left side to get to the top of the hill. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:505 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-01 17:58:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Message: I believe it would take a local person to assume responsibilty in heading up a project of this type. The Robbins Family group wasn't very successful in our past attempts to undertake a caretaking project for the site. I 'd support any effort to preserve Ye Old Robbins cemetery. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Can't imagine that there are taxes associated with cemeteries. Perhaps there is some way that we all could be involved in keeping the place intact. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Dorman Nelson To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2012, 10:33:36 Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Good work!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "tomRobbins@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, December 1, 2012 7:30:54 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground I looked into this several years ago and was in contact some folks in either the Fish and Wildlife divison or other agency. Bottom line: They were looking into wether they had the deed, but never got a definite respo nse back from them. I don't believe they have the deed and it was probably assumed that the land was part of the larger plot being donated. I recommend we don't pursue owernship due to unforseen tax liabilities (not s ure whether this land was ever taxed, exempted, etc.). It is now part of the state preserve and can't be used (unless you want to be buried on it - not sure that's an option either without a deed in hand). I've attached a photo of the destruction at the trailhead. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Tod Robbins" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:08:59 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ye Olde Robbins Burial ground Wow. Thanks for the update! This is post-Sandy, right? Also, I know we have discussed the ownership/stewardship of the burial grounds before but could those with more information fill us in about the status of the grounds in general? Cheers! Sent from my phone On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:56 PM, tkrobbins1 wrote: Went to the Robbins Burial Ground today. It looks like a tornado touched downed at the trail head. Lots of trees down and the corn stalks look twisted. No damage to cemetery itself, however. Trail is blocked but I d id bushwhacked up the left side to get to the top of the hill. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:506 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-12-06 08:48:38 Subject:YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Dear Group: Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. After that we had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. Hi Sara! It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurrican e Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of contacting the local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in the wo ods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, but t hat was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't against ju st going in on our own, just sayin'.) Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! Sincerely, Annie Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:507 Sender:"Bettylou Steadman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-06 10:06:48 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Annie is to be commended for wanting to help. I have been there several times and it is a large area and would take lots of time and effort to clear out. Maybe once it is cleaned up the Boy Scouts could be enlisted to maintain it? Don't they earn a merit badge for contributing services to their community? Just a thought! Bettylou Steadman ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/6/2012 7:48:54 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Dear Group: Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. After that we had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. Hi Sara! It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurrican e Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of contacting the local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in the wo ods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, but t hat was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't against ju st going in on our own, just sayin'.) Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! Sincerely, Annie Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:508 Sender:german@... Post Date/Time:2012-12-06 13:27:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: My two cents: Leaving the cemetery inaccessable does not sound like a bad idea to me. I've seen too many old grave yards destroyed by teenagers and farmers. I know it seems disrespectful to leave a cemetery overgrown but in its own odd way it adds a lot of protection. Any cleanup plans should include construction of an expensive tall chain link fence around the whole cemetery including its existing wall - for reasons I don't understand good fences are very uninviting to those who would do harm. on Dec 06, 2012, Sara wrote: Dear Group: Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. After that we had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. Hi Sara! It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurricane Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of contacting the local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in the woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, but that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't against just going in on our own, just sayin'.) Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! Sincerely, Annie Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? 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Post Date/Time:2012-12-06 13:56:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: The trees that came down block the trail which is often used by folks on their horses. The trail cuts through the cemetery and if a new trail is put in, it should go around the cemetery boundary (probably to the right as you go from the street up the hill). Since the cemetery is in a wildlife management area, a fence or other structure would probably be prohibited. Tom Robbins Havre de Grace, MD  ----- Original Message ----- From: german @ jarman .net To: robbinsfamilysociety @ yahoogroups .com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 3:27:51 PM Subject: Re: [ robbinsfamilysociety ] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  My two cents: Leaving the cemetery inaccessable does not sound like a bad idea to me. I've seen too many old grave yards destroyed by teenagers and farmers. I know it seems disrespectful to leave a cemetery overgrown but in its own odd way it adds a lot of protection. Any cleanup plans should include construction of an expensive tall chain link fence around the whole cemetery including its existing wall - for reasons I don't understand good fences are very uninviting to those who wou ld do harm. on Dec 06, 2012, Sara wrote: Dear Group: Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. After that we had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave . I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. Hi Sara! It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurrican e Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol ). I was thinking of contacting the local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in the w oods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, but that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't against ju st going in on our own, just sayin' .) Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! Sincerely, Annie Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? Sara ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:510 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-12-07 13:32:09 Subject:Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: I'm just curious. How many of you here are directly related to people in the burial place? Sorry if I missed any related answer to this question. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:511 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-07 18:11:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Rick , There are 7 members that I'm aware of that have a direct relationship to the people in the burial ground. I don't know out of the total membership how many others are connected. Any descendant of Daniel & Hope's sons Mo ses Robins & Aaron Robins have a relationship to people there. It's very likely but no proof that Daniel's sons Joseph & Nathaniel were buried in the cemetery. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I'm just curious. How many of you here are directly related to people in the burial place? Sorry if I missed any related answer to this question. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:512 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-12-07 18:29:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Might Hope Potter or Daniel also be buried there? That would make most of this list's membership directly descended from somebody buried in the grave yard. Sara Hoffman wrote: > > > Rick , > > There are 7 members that I'm aware of that have a direct relationship > to the people in the burial ground. I don't know out of the total > membership how many others are connected. Any descendant of Daniel & > Hope's sons Moses Robins & Aaron Robins have a relationship to people > there. It's very likely but no proof that Daniel's sons Joseph & > Nathaniel were buried in the cemetery. > > Sara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 1:32 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > > > > > I'm just curious. How many of you here are directly related to > people in the burial place? Sorry if I missed any related answer > to this question. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:513 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-12-07 18:36:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Neither Hope nor Daniel buried there. ________________________________ From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  Might Hope Potter or Daniel also be buried there? That would make most of this list's membership directly descended from somebody buried in the grave yard. Sara Hoffman wrote: Rick , > >There are 7 members that I'm aware of that have a direct relationship to the people in the burial ground. I don't know out of the total membership how many others are connected. Any descendant of Daniel & Hope's sons Moses Robins & Aaron Robins have a relationship to people there. It's very likely but no proof that Daniel's sons Joseph & Nathaniel were buried in the cemetery.    >                                                                        Sara                                                                                    > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rick >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 1:32 PM >>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE >> >> >> >>I'm just curious. How many of you here are directly related to people in the burial place? Sorry if I missed any related answer to this question. >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:514 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2012-12-07 18:43:47 Subject:Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Even if permission is not needed from the Monmouth County Historical Society it might be a good idea if they know about any clean-up and/or maintenance being applied to the cemetery. Who owns the land occupied by the cemetery? If it's owned by the State maybe they would agree to maintain it? If any permission is needed to clean up the cemetery I suspect it would be needed from the owner of the land. I seem to recall that there are unusual cemetery ownership laws in New Jersey. I'm thinking that cemetery land cannot be privately owned in NJ. (I have nothing to back this thought up.) > Dear Group: Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way > to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to > enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. > After that we had no success in locating any group to help. The following > message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback > from members of the group who are intersted in this project. > > Hi Sara! > It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would > really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the > condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurricane > Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly > impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing > fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of > contacting the local historical society and asking permission. We need to > bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main > fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might > party in the woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors > nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical > Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts > had cleared it out, but that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm > quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick > infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go > back to clear. > > There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. > And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're > interested.:^) > > So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right > back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they > say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't against > just going in on our own, just sayin'.) > > Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! > > Sincerely, > Annie > > Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth > County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or > opinions? > > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:515 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-07 19:15:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: John & Chris, The burial place of Daniel & Hope is unknown. From family tradition Hope died before Daniel moved from Woodbridge to Monmouth County & was buried at Woodbridge. Daniel is said to have requested his burial place be with Hope at Woodbridge & the family honored his request. Hope's death date is unknown but sometime after 1696 when Daniel bought the Monmouth County land. No record has been found of their burial places at either the Robbin s cemetery, any Woodbridge cemetery or elsewhere. Sara. ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Might Hope Potter or Daniel also be buried there? That would make most of this list's membership directly descended from somebody buried in the grave yard. Sara Hoffman wrote: Rick , There are 7 members that I'm aware of that have a direct relationship to the people in the burial ground. I don't know out of the total membership how many others are connected. Any descendant of Daniel & Hope's son s Moses Robins & Aaron Robins have a relationship to people there. It's very likely but no proof that Daniel's sons Joseph & Nathaniel were buried in the cemetery. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I'm just curious. How many of you here are directly related to people in the burial place? Sorry if I missed any related answer to this question. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:516 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-07 19:59:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Annie said she would contact the Monmouth County Historical Society so we will see what comes of that if anything. There are two & maybe more influential MCHS board members who are environmentalists so they may not look favorably on anything being done at the cemetery. I don't see why anyone would need the MCHS permission but won't do any harm for Annie to contact them. Who owns the cemetery land has been in question for a long time. As Tom said the NJ State Wildlife Management has never produced a deed. It's my opinion that the State of NJ should do something to preserve this land mark. One attraction for some visitors from many places is the grave of Debby Lincoln. I don't think we as a group can be concerned about th e legalities of a clean up, perpetual care or ownership. If FindAGrave volunteers want to adopt the cemetery then I believe they assume the responsiblity for whatever work is done there. It was interesting to note in the photo Tom took of the monument by the road that the three little American flags were still standing in the ground at the base of the monument after Hurricane Sandy. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Marshall Lake To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 6:43 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Even if permission is not needed from the Monmouth County Historical Society it might be a good idea if they know about any clean-up and/or maintenance being applied to the cemetery. Who owns the land occupied by the cemetery? If it's owned by the State maybe they would agree to maintain it? If any permission is needed to clean up the cemetery I suspect it would be needed from the owner of the land. I seem to recall that there are unusual cemetery ownership laws in New Jersey. I'm thinking that cemetery land cannot be privately owned in NJ. (I have nothing to back this thought up.) > Dear Group: Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way > to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to > enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. > After that we had no success in locating any group to help. The following > message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback > from members of the group who are intersted in this project. > > Hi Sara! > It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would > really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the > condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurricane > Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly > impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing > fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of > contacting the local historical society and asking permission. We need to > bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main > fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might > party in the woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors > nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical > Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts > had cleared it out, but that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm > quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick > infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go > back to clear. > > There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. > And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're > interested.:^) > > So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right > back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they > say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't against > just going in on our own, just sayin'.) > > Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! > > Sincerely, > Annie > > Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth > County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or > opinions? > > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:517 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2012-12-08 07:14:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Sara,  If they were buried in Woodbridge it is very likely that the site was long since paved over by development. I know that many old, unmaintained cemeteries in Durham Co, NC have been buldozed over in the past couple o f decades for subdivisions and shopping centers.  Chris From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  John & Chris,  The burial place of Daniel & Hope is unknown. From family tradition Hope died before Daniel moved from Woodbridge to Monmouth County & was buried at Woodbridge. Daniel is said to have requested his burial place be wi th Hope at Woodbridge & the family honored his request. Hope's death date is unknown but sometime after 1696 when Daniel bought the Monmouth County land. No record has been found of their burial places at either the R obbins cemetery, any Woodbridge cemetery or elsewhere.                                                                                               Sara.  ----- Original Message ----- >From: John German >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 6:29 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > > >Might Hope Potter or Daniel also be buried there? That would make most of this list's membership directly descended from somebody buried in the grave yard. > > >Sara Hoffman wrote: >Rick , >> >>There are 7 members that I'm aware of that have a direct relationship to the people in the burial ground. I don't know out of the total membership how many others are connected. Any descendant of Daniel & Hope' s sons Moses Robins & Aaron Robins have a relationship to people there. It's very likely but no proof that Daniel's sons Joseph & Nathaniel were buried in the cemetery.    >>                                                                        Sara                                                                                    >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rick >>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 1:32 PM >>>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE >>> >>> >>> >>>I'm just curious. How many of you here are directly related to people in the burial place? Sorry if I missed any related answer to this question. >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:518 Sender:Tod Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-12-08 08:17:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: I'm a direct descendant of Aaron Robins. Though I have yet to complete a DNA test, a New Years resolution. :D Sent from my phone On Dec 7, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Sara Hoffman wrote: Rick , There are 7 members that I'm aware of that have a direct relationship to the people in the burial ground. I don't know out of the total membership how many others are connected. Any descendant of Daniel & Hope's sons Moses Robins & Aaron Robins have a relationship to people there. It's very likely but no proof that Daniel's sons Joseph & Nathaniel were buried in the cemetery. Sara ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Rick *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, December 07, 2012 1:32 PM *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I'm just curious. How many of you here are directly related to people in the burial place? Sorry if I missed any related answer to this question. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:519 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-08 09:03:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Chris, I agree with you many burial places have been bulldozed over & are now parking lots or subdivisions. My theory is Daniel & Hope are buried at the 1st Presbyterian Church Cemetery at Woodbridge. Son Daniel, Jr was still living at Woodbridge when Daniel died & although he was a Quaker there is no indication Daniel & Hope were Quakers. There was a Quaker cemetery at Woodbridge but nothing found for any Robins. Records from The Presbyteri an Church at Woodbridge show daughters Lydia Robins Thorpe & Hope Robins Moore & families were affiliated with the church. Lydia & Hope were both born at Woodbridge & died there. No record has been located to show they were buried at the church's cemetery but it's quite probable. We know from the Elijah Robins Bible record that Daniel & Hope's son Moses is buried at Ye Olde Robbins cemetery. Although the descendants of Moses' brother Aaron Robins, Sr. were named on the original cemetery deed th ere is no record that Aaron was buried there. Aaron moved to Arneytown after he married his second wife Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) widow of John Arney where he died. Aaron & Elizabeth were both Quakers. Elizabeth p robably had him buried at the Old Friends Burial Ground in Arneytown, Monmouth Co. However, no record of his burial site has been found anyplace. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: C ROBBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Sara, If they were buried in Woodbridge it is very likely that the site was long since paved over by development. I know that many old, unmaintained cemeteries in Durham Co, NC have been buldozed over in the past couple of decades for subdivisions and shopping centers. Chris From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE John & Chris, The burial place of Daniel & Hope is unknown. From family tradition Hope died before Daniel moved from Woodbridge to Monmouth County & was buried at Woodbridge. Daniel is said to have requested his burial place be wit h Hope at Woodbridge & the family honored his request. Hope's death date is unknown but sometime after 1696 when Daniel bought the Monmouth County land. No record has been found of their burial places at either the Robb ins cemetery, any Woodbridge cemetery or elsewhere. Sara. ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Might Hope Potter or Daniel also be buried there? That would make most of this list's membership directly descended from somebody buried in the grave yard. Sara Hoffman wrote: Rick , There are 7 members that I'm aware of that have a direct relationship to the people in the burial ground. I don't know out of the total membership how many others are connected. Any descendant of Daniel & Hope's s ons Moses Robins & Aaron Robins have a relationship to people there. It's very likely but no proof that Daniel's sons Joseph & Nathaniel were buried in the cemetery. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I'm just curious. How many of you here are directly related to people in the burial place? Sorry if I missed any related answer to this question. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:520 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-12-09 17:29:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Sara, What can you tell us about Elijah? As to the State dealing with the Cemetery . . . I served as a supervisor (resembles a mayor) in a small town in southwestern New York for 29 years. New York law, and I suspect the law of most states in the middle Atlant ic region, leave the responsibility (and the discretion to exercise that responsibility) for cemetery maintenance with the local municipality once a cemetery no longer is funded from private sources. Our town had11 ceme teries - and, sadly, we did little more for the 7 that were not active, than to identify them, attempt to preserve their boundaries, mark them, mow them a few times each year and do minimal grave stone maintenance. It w as not a big job, but required some municipal resources and a bit of money. Not all NY municipalities do as much. I will try to find out if there is a similar situation there. Thanks Sara! Dale. ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2012, 11:03:47 Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE   Chris,  I agree with you many burial places have been bulldozed over & are now parking lots or subdivisions. My theory is Daniel & Hope are buried at the 1st Presbyterian Church Cemetery at Woodbridge. Son Daniel, Jr was still living at Woodbridge when Daniel died & although he was a Quaker there is no indication Daniel & Hope were Quakers. There was a Quaker cemetery at Woodbridge but nothing found for any Robins. Records from The Presbyterian Church at Woodbridge show daughters Lydia Robins Thorpe & Hope Robins Moore & families were affiliated with the church. Lydia & Hope were both born at Woodbridge & died there. No record has been located to show they were buried at the church's cemetery but it's quite probable.  We know from the Elijah Robins Bible record that Daniel & Hope's son Moses is buried at Ye Olde Robbins cemetery. Although the descendants of Moses' brother Aaron Robins, Sr. were named on the original cemetery deed there is no record that Aaron was buried there. Aaron moved to Arneytown after he married his second wife Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) widow of John Arney where he died. Aaron & Elizabeth were both Quakers. Elizabeth probably had him buried at the Old Friends Burial Ground in Arneytown, Monmouth Co. However, no record of his burial site has been found anyplace.                                                                                                    Sara  ----- Original Message ----- >From: C ROBBINS >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 7:14 AM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > > >Sara, > >If they were buried in Woodbridge it is very likely that the site was long since paved over by development. I know that many old, unmaintained cemeteries in Durham Co, NC have been buldozed over in the past coup le of decades for subdivisions and shopping centers. > >Chris > > >From: Sara Hoffman >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 9:15 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > > >John & Chris, > >The burial place of Daniel & Hope is unknown. From family tradition Hope died before Daniel moved from Woodbridge to Monmouth County & was buried at Woodbridge. Daniel is said to have requested his burial place be  with Hope at Woodbridge & the family honored his request. Hope's death date is unknown but sometime after 1696 when Daniel bought the Monmouth County land. No record has been found of their burial places at eithe r the Robbins cemetery, any Woodbridge cemetery or elsewhere. >                                                                                              Sara. > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: John German >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 6:29 PM >>Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE >> >> >>Might Hope Potter or Daniel also be buried there? That would make most of this list's membership directly descended from somebody buried in the grave yard. >> >> >>Sara Hoffman wrote: >>Rick , >>> >>>There are 7 members that I'm aware of that have a direct relationship to the people in the burial ground. I don't know out of the total membership how many others are connected. Any descendant of Daniel & Hope's sons Moses Robins & Aaron Robins have a relationship to people there. It's very likely but no proof that Daniel's sons Joseph & Nathaniel were buried in the cemetery.    >>>                                                                        Sara                                                                                    >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Rick >>>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>>Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 1:32 PM >>>>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I'm just curious. How many of you here are directly related to people in the burial place? Sorry if I missed any related answer to this question. >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:522 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-09 19:01:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Dale, Thank you for your input. I'd appreciate anything your legal expertise can provide the group regarding NJ cemeteries. Caretaking & ownership have been ongoing subjects with some of the members for quite a long time. I'd like to see some closure, that's why I contacted FindAGrave. If nothing can be done on a local level then we as a group may have to just let it go. Elijah Robins 1773-1839 was a descendant of Zebulon Robins 1734-1816, Joseph Robins 1710-1780, Moses Robins 1679-1744, Daniel Robins 1627-1714. Elijah's father Zebulon was an interesting character who ran into trouble w ith the Society of Friends for committing a number of serious offenses. He was reprimanded but "refused to make satisfaction." Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Cc: rrobbins6@... ; robbins@... Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Sara, What can you tell us about Elijah? As to the State dealing with the Cemetery . . . I served as a supervisor (resembles a mayor) in a small town in southwestern New York for 29 years. New York law, and I suspect the law of most states in the middle Atla ntic region, leave the responsibility (and the discretion to exercise that responsibility) for cemetery maintenance with the local municipality once a cemetery no longer is funded from private sources. Our town had11 ce meteries - and, sadly, we did little more for the 7 that were not active, than to identify them, attempt to preserve their boundaries, mark them, mow them a few times each year and do minimal grave stone maintenance. It was not a big job, but required some municipal resources and a bit of money. Not all NY municipalities do as much. I will try to find out if there is a similar situation there. Thanks Sara! Dale. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2012, 11:03:47 Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  Chris, I agree with you many burial places have been bulldozed over & are now parking lots or subdivisions. My theory is Daniel & Hope are buried at the 1st Presbyterian Church Cemetery at Woodbridge. Son Daniel, Jr was stil l living at Woodbridge when Daniel died & although he was a Quaker there is no indication Daniel & Hope were Quakers. There was a Quaker cemetery at Woodbridge but nothing found for any Robins. Records from The Presbyte rian Church at Woodbridge show daughters Lydia Robins Thorpe & Hope Robins Moore & families were affiliated with the church. Lydia & Hope were both born at Woodbridge & died there. No record has been located to show the y were buried at the church's cemetery but it's quite probable. We know from the Elijah Robins Bible record that Daniel & Hope's son Moses is buried at Ye Olde Robbins cemetery. Although the descendants of Moses' brother Aaron Robins, Sr. were named on the original cemetery deed there is no record that Aaron was buried there. Aaron moved to Arneytown after he married his second wife Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) widow of John Arney where he died. Aaron & Elizabeth were both Quakers. Elizabeth probably had him buried at the Old Friends Burial Ground in Arneytown, Monmouth Co. However, no record of his burial site has been found anyplace. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: C ROBBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Sara, If they were buried in Woodbridge it is very likely that the site was long since paved over by development. I know that many old, unmaintained cemeteries in Durham Co, NC have been buldozed over in the past couple of decades for subdivisions and shopping centers. Chris From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE John & Chris, The burial place of Daniel & Hope is unknown. From family tradition Hope died before Daniel moved from Woodbridge to Monmouth County & was buried at Woodbridge. Daniel is said to have requested his burial place be w ith Hope at Woodbridge & the family honored his request. Hope's death date is unknown but sometime after 1696 when Daniel bought the Monmouth County land. No record has been found of their burial places at either the Ro bbins cemetery, any Woodbridge cemetery or elsewhere. Sara. ----- Original Message ----- From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Might Hope Potter or Daniel also be buried there? That would make most of this list's membership directly descended from somebody buried in the grave yard. Sara Hoffman wrote: Rick , There are 7 members that I'm aware of that have a direct relationship to the people in the burial ground. I don't know out of the total membership how many others are connected. Any descendant of Daniel & Hope's sons Moses Robins & Aaron Robins have a relationship to people there. It's very likely but no proof that Daniel's sons Joseph & Nathaniel were buried in the cemetery. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I'm just curious. How many of you here are directly related to people in the burial place? Sorry if I missed any related answer to this question. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:524 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-12-10 08:43:09 Subject:Richard Robbins b 1619 in genealogies Message: I was browsing through Mundia and ran across a few genealogies which insist that Richard Robbins b 1619 was the father of Daniel Robbins b 1645. I know that there has been discussion as to the wrongness of this assumption, but I can't find it on this version of this message board. Has there been any sort of DNA proof to refute this claim? I seem to remember some where that this was dsproven? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:525 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-10 10:33:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robbins b 1619 in genealogies Message: We have never discussed Richard Robbins b. 1619 here but it's is a good subject to cover as it may be helpful to newer members. It looks like the Richard Robbins mentioned b. 1619 is the one who migrated from England & settled in Cambridge, MA. He had no son Daniel. Also, the DNA of the New England Robins/Robbins doesn't match the Daniel Robins on/Robins descendants. We know Daniel Robinson/Robins was born in 1627. Richard b.1619 would have been 8 yrs old at the time of Daniel's birth. Daniel Robinson/Robison/Robbinson/Robertson didn't assume the name Robins/Robinds until he settled at Woodbridge. I've noticed there are people online who seem to be compelled to invent a genealogy for the parents of D aniel Robinson/Robins. Probably due to the fact we know nothing beyond the first names of Daniel's parents. Some errors found online regarding Daniel's mother Mary states she was Mary Welles or possibly a Welles. This i s a family of English origin who were among the early settlers in New England & there's nothing to link Daniel's mother to this family. Another fascinating but incorrect story is Mary was involved in the Salem Witch Tri als. From my research of Scottish records, I haven't been able to locate or know anyone else who has located any birth or death records for either of Daniel's parents or their place of birth which most likely was Scotla nd since that's where Daniel was born. Also, there's nothing to indicate his parents came to America & died here as seen online. The most popular error is Daniel's father Richard was the son of John Robins of Heddingwor th, England. However, John Robins had no son named Richard. Sara . ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:43 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robbins b 1619 in genealogies I was browsing through Mundia and ran across a few genealogies which insist that Richard Robbins b 1619 was the father of Daniel Robbins b 1645. I know that there has been discussion as to the wrongness of this assumption, but I can't find it on this version of this message board. Has there been any sort of DNA proof to refute this claim? I seem to remember so mewhere that this was dsproven? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:526 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2012-12-10 11:03:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Zebulon seems like the kind of "Robins" that would be my ancestor! ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 21:01:51 Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE   Dale,  Thank you for your input. I'd appreciate anything your legal expertise can provide the group regarding NJ cemeteries. Caretaking & ownership have been ongoing subjects with some of the members for quite a long time. I'd like to see some closure, that's why I contacted FindAGrave. If nothing can be done on a local level then we as a group may have to just let it go.  Elijah Robins 1773-1839 was a descendant of Zebulon Robins 1734-1816, Joseph Robins 1710-1780, Moses Robins 1679-1744, Daniel Robins 1627-1714. Elijah's father Zebulon was an interesting character who ran into trouble with the Society of Friends for committing a number of serious offenses. He was reprimanded but "refused to make satisfaction."                                                                                 Sara   ----- Original Message ----- >From: Dale Robbins >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Cc: rrobbins6@... ; robbins@... >Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 5:29 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > > >Sara, >What can you tell us about Elijah? >As to the State dealing with the Cemetery . . . I served as a supervisor (resembles a mayor) in a small town in southwestern New York for 29 years. New York law, and I suspect the law of most states in the middle Atlantic region, leave the responsibility (and the discretion to exercise that responsibility) for cemetery maintenance with the local municipality once a cemetery no longer is funded from private sources. Our town had11 cemeteries - and, sadly, we did little more for the 7 that were not active, than to identify them, attempt to preserve their boundaries, mark them, mow them a few times each year and do minimal grave stone maintenance. It was not a big job, but required some municipal resources and a bit of money. Not all NY municipalities do as much. I will try to find out if there is a similar situation there. > >Thanks Sara! > >Dale. > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Sara Hoffman >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2012, 11:03:47 >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > > > > >Chris, > >I agree with you many burial places have been bulldozed over & are now parking lots or subdivisions. My theory is Daniel & Hope are buried at the 1st Presbyterian Church Cemetery at Woodbridge. Son Daniel, Jr was st ill living at Woodbridge when Daniel died & although he was a Quaker there is no indication Daniel & Hope were Quakers. There was a Quaker cemetery at Woodbridge but nothing found for any Robins. Records from The Pres byterian Church at Woodbridge show daughters Lydia Robins Thorpe & Hope Robins Moore & families were affiliated with the church. Lydia & Hope were both born at Woodbridge & died there. No record has been located to show they were buried at the church's cemetery but it's quite probable. > >We know from the Elijah Robins Bible record that Daniel & Hope's son Moses is buried at Ye Olde Robbins cemetery. Although the descendants of Moses' brother Aaron Robins, Sr. were named on the original cemetery d eed there is no record that Aaron was buried there. Aaron moved to Arneytown after he married his second wife Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) widow of John Arney where he died. Aaron & Elizabeth were both Quakers. Elizabeth probably had him buried at the Old Friends Burial Ground in Arneytown, Monmouth Co. However, no record of his burial site has been found anyplace. > >                                                                                                  Sara > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: C ROBBINS >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 7:14 AM >>Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE >> >> >>Sara, >> >>If they were buried in Woodbridge it is very likely that the site was long since paved over by development. I know that many old, unmaintained cemeteries in Durham Co, NC have been buldozed over in the past cou ple of decades for subdivisions and shopping centers. >> >>Chris >> >> >>From: Sara Hoffman >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 9:15 PM >>Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE >> >> >>John & Chris, >> >>The burial place of Daniel & Hope is unknown. From family tradition Hope died before Daniel moved from Woodbridge to Monmouth County & was buried at Woodbridge. Daniel is said to have requested his burial place b e with Hope at Woodbridge & the family honored his request. Hope's death date is unknown but sometime after 1696 when Daniel bought the Monmouth County land. No record has been found of their burial places at eith er the Robbins cemetery, any Woodbridge cemetery or elsewhere. >>                                                                                              Sara. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: John German >>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 6:29 PM >>>Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE >>> >>> >>>Might Hope Potter or Daniel also be buried there? That would make most of this list's membership directly descended from somebody buried in the grave yard. >>> >>> >>>Sara Hoffman wrote: >>>Rick , >>>> >>>>There are 7 members that I'm aware of that have a direct relationship to the people in the burial ground. I don't know out of the total membership how many others are connected. Any descendant of Daniel & Hope's sons Moses Robins & Aaron Robins have a relationship to people there. It's very likely but no proof that Daniel's sons Joseph & Nathaniel were buried in the cemetery.    >>>>                                                                        Sara                                                                                    >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Rick >>>>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>>>Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 1:32 PM >>>>>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I'm just curious. How many of you here are directly related to people in the burial place? Sorry if I missed any related answer to this question. >>>>> >>>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:527 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-12-11 06:57:36 Subject:Re: Richard Robbins b 1619 in genealogies Message: I thought it was discussed at one point. Probably at the other group site. DNA doesn't lie, it's quite precise as to identifying the genealogical truth of things, for sure. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > We have never discussed Richard Robbins b. 1619 here but it's is a good subject to cover as it may be helpful to newer members. > > It looks like the Richard Robbins mentioned b. 1619 is the one who migrated from England & settled in Cambridge, MA. He had no son Daniel. Also, the DNA of the New England Robins/Robbins doesn't match the Daniel Robi nson/Robins descendants. We know Daniel Robinson/Robins was born in 1627. Richard b.1619 would have been 8 yrs old at the time of Daniel's birth. > > Daniel Robinson/Robison/Robbinson/Robertson didn't assume the name Robins/Robinds until he settled at Woodbridge. I've noticed there are people online who seem to be compelled to invent a genealogy for the parents of Daniel Robinson/Robins. Probably due to the fact we know nothing beyond the first names of Daniel's parents. Some errors found online regarding Daniel's mother Mary states she was Mary Welles or possibly a Welles. This is a family of English origin who were among the early settlers in New England & there's nothing to link Daniel's mother to this family. Another fascinating but incorrect story is Mary was involved in the Salem Witch T rials. From my research of Scottish records, I haven't been able to locate or know anyone else who has located any birth or death records for either of Daniel's parents or their place of birth which most likely was Scot land since that's where Daniel was born. Also, there's nothing to indicate his parents came to America & died here as seen online. The most popular error is Daniel's father Richard was the son of John Robins of Heddingw orth, England. However, John Robins had no son named Richard. > Sara > > . > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:43 AM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robbins b 1619 in genealogies > > > > I was browsing through Mundia and ran across a few genealogies which insist that Richard Robbins b 1619 was the father of Daniel Robbins b 1645. > > I know that there has been discussion as to the wrongness of this assumption, but I can't find it on this version of this message board. Has there been any sort of DNA proof to refute this claim? I seem to remember somewhere that this was dsproven? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:528 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-12-11 07:20:13 Subject:Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: I guess that the find a grave people are the only ones interested in helping in the New Jersey area? I suppose that what people say is true, money talks... I wonder whether a kickstarter, or other similar crowd sourced fundraising could be a start for a small preservation fund earmarked for cleanup and securing the site, at least partially. Any thoughts? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara" wrote: > > Dear Group: > Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. After that w e had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. > > Hi Sara! > It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurric ane Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of contacting th e local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in the woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, but that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. > > There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) > > So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't against just going in on our own, just sayin'.) > > Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! > > Sincerely, > Annie > > Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? > > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:529 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-11 09:23:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Rick, I appreciate your good ideas. Right now it's my opinion that we need to see how this plays out with Annie at FindaGrave. I thought of trying FindaGrave for the Robbins cemetery after contact I had with this group earlie r this year. FindaGrave volunteers at the Yountsville Cemetery in Montgomery Co., IN contacted me for information on Samuel & Jane Marks Robbins & their family who are buried at the cemetery. These volunteers on their o wn adopted the cemetery & took on cleaning it up & repairing the stones. When they finished it looked really nice. None of them were related to the Robbins family. Dont know how they funded it but I noticed they had bro ught in a back hoe & a tractor for some of the work. I asked if I could make a donation & they told me they would'nt take any money but if I wanted to donate make the donation to the local historical society. Our main obstacle is we have no one locally to supervise or co-ordinate this project so let's see if we can get something started with Findagrave in NJ then possibly those of us who are interested in the project can con sider establishing something for cemetery care. Don't think we will hear much until after the new year. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:20 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I guess that the find a grave people are the only ones interested in helping in the New Jersey area? I suppose that what people say is true, money talks... I wonder whether a kickstarter, or other similar crowd source d fundraising could be a start for a small preservation fund earmarked for cleanup and securing the site, at least partially. Any thoughts? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara" wrote: > > Dear Group: > Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. After that we had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. > > Hi Sara! > It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurr icane Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of contacting the local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in th e woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, b ut that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. > > There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) > > So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't agains t just going in on our own, just sayin'.) > > Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! > > Sincerely, > Annie > > Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? > > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:530 Sender:tomRobbins@... Post Date/Time:2012-12-12 08:59:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: I've included the National Park's cemetery guideline link that may prove useful in any conservation efforts. Don't think we could get it registered according to the guide, but it does cover ownership and other interes ting areas. http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/publications/bulletins/nrb41/ Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Hoffman" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:23:14 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  Rick,  I appreciate your good ideas. Right now it's my opinion that we need to see how this plays out with Annie at FindaGrave. I thought of trying FindaGrave for the Robbins cemetery after contact I had with this group e arlier this year. FindaGrave volunteers at the Yountsville Cemetery in Montgomery Co., IN contacted me for information on Samuel & Jane Marks Robbins & their family who are buried at the cemetery. These volunteers on their own adopted the cemetery & took on cleaning it up & repairing the stones. When they finished it looked really nice. None of them were related to the Robbins family. Dont know how they funded it but I noticed the y had brought in a back hoe & a tractor for some of the work. I asked if I could make a donation & they told me they would'nt take any money but if I wanted to donate make the donation to the local historical societ y.  Our main obstacle is we have no one locally to supervise or co-ordinate this project so let's see if we can get something started with Findagrave in NJ then possibly those of us who are interested in the project can  consider establishing something for cemetery care. Don't think we will hear much until after the new year.                                                                                   Sara   ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:20 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  I guess that the find a grave people are the only ones interested in helping in the New Jersey area? I suppose that what people say is true, money talks... I wonder whether a kickstarter, or other similar crowd sourced fundraising could be a start for a small preservation fund earmarked for cleanup and securing the site, at least partially. Any thoughts? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com , "Sara" wrote: > > Dear Group: > Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. After that w e had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. > > Hi Sara! > It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurric ane Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of contacting th e local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in the woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, but that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. > > There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) > > So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't against just going in on our own, just sayin'.) > > Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! > > Sincerely, > Annie > > Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? > > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:531 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-12-12 11:48:43 Subject:Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: I read that over a bit, and I agree with you that it could not be classified within their criteria as historic, unfortunately. However, would this not fall within the purview of the Historic Preservation offices in New Jersey? Has anybody contacted the director regarding the burial ground? And, Sara, in reading up on the YORBP (my acronym for the ye olde...) I found that there are what looks like three (or more) Civil war veterans buried there. I wonder whether or not some help may be gotten through some veteran's groups or the SUVCW group? I could be a member of that SUVCW, just too cheap I guess. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, tomRobbins@... wrote: > > > > I've included the National Park's cemetery guideline link that may prove useful in any conservation efforts. Don't think we could get it registered according to the guide, but it does cover ownership and other inter esting areas. > > > > http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/publications/bulletins/nrb41/ > > > Tom > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sara Hoffman" > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:23:14 AM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > >  > > > > > > Rick, >  > I appreciate your good ideas. Right now it's my opinion that we need to see how this plays out with Annie at FindaGrave. I thought of trying FindaGrave for the Robbins cemetery after contact I had with this group earlier this year. FindaGrave volunteers at the Yountsville Cemetery in Montgomery Co., IN contacted me for information on Samuel & Jane Marks Robbins & their family who are buried at the cemetery. These volunteers o n their own adopted the cemetery & took on cleaning it up & repairing the stones. When they finished it looked really nice. None of them were related to the Robbins family. Dont know how they funded it but I noticed t hey had brought in a back hoe & a tractor for some of the work. I asked if I could make a donation & they told me they would'nt take any money but if I wanted to donate make the donation to the local historical soci ety. >  > Our main obstacle is we have no one locally to supervise or co-ordinate this project so let's see if we can get something started with Findagrave in NJ then possibly those of us who are interested in the project c an consider establishing something for cemetery care. Don't think we will hear much until after the new year. >                                                                                   Sara >  >  > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:20 AM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > >  > > > I guess that the find a grave people are the only ones interested in helping in the New Jersey area? I suppose that what people say is true, money talks... I wonder whether a kickstarter, or other similar crowd source d fundraising could be a start for a small preservation fund earmarked for cleanup and securing the site, at least partially. > > Any thoughts? > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com , "Sara" wrote: > > > > Dear Group: > > Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. After that we had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. > > > > Hi Sara! > > It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurr icane Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of contacting the local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in th e woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, b ut that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. > > > > There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) > > > > So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't agains t just going in on our own, just sayin'.) > > > > Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! > > > > Sincerely, > > Annie > > > > Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? > > > > Sara > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:532 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-12 12:33:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Tom, A very informative link. Why do you think we couldn't get it registered? Would the following would meet one or more of the criterias? Criteria A: The site marked by a stone monument is a link to Monmouth County's 17th century origins (1694) & is considered a Colonial burial site. Criteria B: The burial site of Debby Lincoln & her relationship to the family of Pres. Lincoln a famous person in American history. There are Civil War soldiers buried there. They qualify for markers from the Federal Government if an application is made. They are connected to signficant events in American history. Criteria C: Gravestone of Zachariah Robins inscribed 1704-1749 represents a specific type of an early grave marker. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: tomRobbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I've included the National Park's cemetery guideline link that may prove useful in any conservation efforts. Don't think we could get it registered according to the guide, but it does cover ownership and other intere sting areas. http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/publications/bulletins/nrb41/ Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Sara Hoffman" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:23:14 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Rick, I appreciate your good ideas. Right now it's my opinion that we need to see how this plays out with Annie at FindaGrave. I thought of trying FindaGrave for the Robbins cemetery after contact I had with this group earl ier this year. FindaGrave volunteers at the Yountsville Cemetery in Montgomery Co., IN contacted me for information on Samuel & Jane Marks Robbins & their family who are buried at the cemetery. These volunteers on their own adopted the cemetery & took on cleaning it up & repairing the stones. When they finished it looked really nice. None of them were related to the Robbins family. Dont know how they funded it but I noticed they had b rought in a back hoe & a tractor for some of the work. I asked if I could make a donation & they told me they would'nt take any money but if I wanted to donate make the donation to the local historical society. Our main obstacle is we have no one locally to supervise or co-ordinate this project so let's see if we can get something started with Findagrave in NJ then possibly those of us who are interested in the project can c onsider establishing something for cemetery care. Don't think we will hear much until after the new year. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:20 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I guess that the find a grave people are the only ones interested in helping in the New Jersey area? I suppose that what people say is true, money talks... I wonder whether a kickstarter, or other similar crowd sour ced fundraising could be a start for a small preservation fund earmarked for cleanup and securing the site, at least partially. Any thoughts? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara" wrote: > > Dear Group: > Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. After th at we had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. > > Hi Sara! > It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hu rricane Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of contactin g the local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in the woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, but that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. > > There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) > > So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't agai nst just going in on our own, just sayin'.) > > Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! > > Sincerely, > Annie > > Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? > > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:534 Sender:tomrobbins Post Date/Time:2012-12-13 18:59:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Sara, Could be possible based on the criteria you laid out. However, if we get it registered we still have the problem of upkeep. This is no small task. The ticks maybe the biggest obstacle. I was there on a warm November day a few years back and had a lot of ticks on me. I can't imagine what it is like in the summer. Since the cemetery is In a protective area, we do not have to worry about a developer coming in and building on top of it. I'll try to put together my notes on my efforts on finding the deed when I am home for the holidays and send it out to the group. I think our best bet is to contact the Allentown Historical Society for guidance. I can reach out to a contact there and see what he says. Tom Sent from my iPad On Dec 12, 2012, at 2:33 PM, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: >  > > Tom, > > A very informative link. Why do you think we couldn't get it registered? > > Would the following would meet one or more of the criterias? > Criteria A: The site marked by a stone monument is a link to Monmouth County's 17th century origins (1694) & is considered a Colonial burial site. > Criteria B: The burial site of Debby Lincoln & her relationship to the family of Pres. Lincoln a famous person in American history. > There are Civil War soldiers buried there. They qualify for markers from the Federal Government if an application is made. They are connected to signficant events in American history. > Criteria C: Gravestone of Zachariah Robins inscribed 1704-1749 represents a specific type of an early grave marker. > Thanks, > Sara > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tomRobbins@... > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > > > I've included the National Park's cemetery guideline link that may prove useful in any conservation efforts. Don't think we could get it registered according to the guide, but it does cover ownership and other intere sting areas. > > > > http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/publications/bulletins/nrb41/ > > Tom > > From: "Sara Hoffman" > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:23:14 AM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > > > > Rick, > > I appreciate your good ideas. Right now it's my opinion that we need to see how this plays out with Annie at FindaGrave. I thought of trying FindaGrave for the Robbins cemetery after contact I had with this group earl ier this year. FindaGrave volunteers at the Yountsville Cemetery in Montgomery Co., IN contacted me for information on Samuel & Jane Marks Robbins & their family who are buried at the cemetery. These volunteers on their own adopted the cemetery & took on cleaning it up & repairing the stones. When they finished it looked really nice. None of them were related to the Robbins family. Dont know how they funded it but I noticed they had b rought in a back hoe & a tractor for some of the work. I asked if I could make a donation & they told me they would'nt take any money but if I wanted to donate make the donation to the local historical society. > > Our main obstacle is we have no one locally to supervise or co-ordinate this project so let's see if we can get something started with Findagrave in NJ then possibly those of us who are interested in the project can c onsider establishing something for cemetery care. Don't think we will hear much until after the new year. > Sara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:20 AM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > > > I guess that the find a grave people are the only ones interested in helping in the New Jersey area? I suppose that what people say is true, money talks... I wonder whether a kickstarter, or other similar crowd source d fundraising could be a start for a small preservation fund earmarked for cleanup and securing the site, at least partially. > > Any thoughts? > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara" wrote: > > > > Dear Group: > > Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. After that we had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. > > > > Hi Sara! > > It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurr icane Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of contacting the local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in th e woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, b ut that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. > > > > There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) > > > > So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't agains t just going in on our own, just sayin'.) > > > > Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! > > > > Sincerely, > > Annie > > > > Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? > > > > Sara > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:535 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-13 19:44:53 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Tom, That's good idea to contact the Allentown H.S. especially if you have a contact there. Ticks carry Lymes Disease. Have family in NJ who have contracted it so anybody who visits should be aware. Lots of mosquitos in the summer too. I don't know if registration is the way to go but just wanted to see if it met any of the criterias. You have a good point about no developer building on the site. If we could see the site retain its natural state with occasional removal of brush & some of the dead trees, it would be a big improvement. I don't think an ybody who is familiar with the place expects a type of cemetery that has a manicured green grass covering at that location. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: tomrobbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Sara, Could be possible based on the criteria you laid out. However, if we get it registered we still have the problem of upkeep. This is no small task. The ticks maybe the biggest obstacle. I was there on a warm Novemb er day a few years back and had a lot of ticks on me. I can't imagine what it is like in the summer. Since the cemetery is In a protective area, we do not have to worry about a developer coming in and building on top o f it. I'll try to put together my notes on my efforts on finding the deed when I am home for the holidays and send it out to the group. I think our best bet is to contact the Allentown Historical Society for guidance. I c an reach out to a contact there and see what he says. Tom Sent from my iPad On Dec 12, 2012, at 2:33 PM, "Sara Hoffman" wrote:  Tom, A very informative link. Why do you think we couldn't get it registered? Would the following would meet one or more of the criterias? Criteria A: The site marked by a stone monument is a link to Monmouth County's 17th century origins (1694) & is considered a Colonial burial site. Criteria B: The burial site of Debby Lincoln & her relationship to the family of Pres. Lincoln a famous person in American history. There are Civil War soldiers buried there. They qualify for markers from the Federal Government if an application is made. They are connected to signficant events in American history. Criteria C: Gravestone of Zachariah Robins inscribed 1704-1749 represents a specific type of an early grave marker. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: tomRobbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I've included the National Park's cemetery guideline link that may prove useful in any conservation efforts. Don't think we could get it registered according to the guide, but it does cover ownership and other in teresting areas. http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/publications/bulletins/nrb41/ Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sara Hoffman" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:23:14 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Rick, I appreciate your good ideas. Right now it's my opinion that we need to see how this plays out with Annie at FindaGrave. I thought of trying FindaGrave for the Robbins cemetery after contact I had with this group earlier this year. FindaGrave volunteers at the Yountsville Cemetery in Montgomery Co., IN contacted me for information on Samuel & Jane Marks Robbins & their family who are buried at the cemetery. These volunteers on t heir own adopted the cemetery & took on cleaning it up & repairing the stones. When they finished it looked really nice. None of them were related to the Robbins family. Dont know how they funded it but I noticed they h ad brought in a back hoe & a tractor for some of the work. I asked if I could make a donation & they told me they would'nt take any money but if I wanted to donate make the donation to the local historical society. Our main obstacle is we have no one locally to supervise or co-ordinate this project so let's see if we can get something started with Findagrave in NJ then possibly those of us who are interested in the project c an consider establishing something for cemetery care. Don't think we will hear much until after the new year. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:20 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I guess that the find a grave people are the only ones interested in helping in the New Jersey area? I suppose that what people say is true, money talks... I wonder whether a kickstarter, or other similar crowd sourced fundraising could be a start for a small preservation fund earmarked for cleanup and securing the site, at least partially. Any thoughts? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara" wrote: > > Dear Group: > Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. Afte r that we had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. > > Hi Sara! > It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken b y Hurricane Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of conta cting the local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in the woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, but that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. > > There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) > > So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't against just going in on our own, just sayin'.) > > Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! > > Sincerely, > Annie > > Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? > > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:536 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-14 08:24:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: I had a message from Annie at FindaGrave. She said she had a response from Monmouth County H.S. & they told her possibly a Boy Scout troop may help out & they had no objections to a cleanup. She is willing to do some wo rk there after deer season. Don't know if she hunts or is afraid of being hunted. :>) Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  Tom, That's good idea to contact the Allentown H.S. especially if you have a contact there. Ticks carry Lymes Disease. Have family in NJ who have contracted it so anybody who visits should be aware. Lots of mosquitos in the summer too. I don't know if registration is the way to go but just wanted to see if it met any of the criterias. You have a good point about no developer building on the site. If we could see the site retain its natural state with occasional removal of brush & some of the dead trees, it would be a big improvement. I don't think anybody who is familiar with the place expects a type of cemetery that has a manicured green grass covering at that location. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: tomrobbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Sara, Could be possible based on the criteria you laid out. However, if we get it registered we still have the problem of upkeep. This is no small task. The ticks maybe the biggest obstacle. I was there on a warm Nove mber day a few years back and had a lot of ticks on me. I can't imagine what it is like in the summer. Since the cemetery is In a protective area, we do not have to worry about a developer coming in and building on top of it. I'll try to put together my notes on my efforts on finding the deed when I am home for the holidays and send it out to the group. I think our best bet is to contact the Allentown Historical Society for guidance. I can reach out to a contact there and see what he says. Tom Sent from my iPad On Dec 12, 2012, at 2:33 PM, "Sara Hoffman" wrote:  Tom, A very informative link. Why do you think we couldn't get it registered? Would the following would meet one or more of the criterias? Criteria A: The site marked by a stone monument is a link to Monmouth County's 17th century origins (1694) & is considered a Colonial burial site. Criteria B: The burial site of Debby Lincoln & her relationship to the family of Pres. Lincoln a famous person in American history. There are Civil War soldiers buried there. They qualify for markers from the Federal Government if an application is made. They are connected to signficant events in American history. Criteria C: Gravestone of Zachariah Robins inscribed 1704-1749 represents a specific type of an early grave marker. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: tomRobbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I've included the National Park's cemetery guideline link that may prove useful in any conservation efforts. Don't think we could get it registered according to the guide, but it does cover ownership and other interesting areas. http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/publications/bulletins/nrb41/ Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Sara Hoffman" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:23:14 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Rick, I appreciate your good ideas. Right now it's my opinion that we need to see how this plays out with Annie at FindaGrave. I thought of trying FindaGrave for the Robbins cemetery after contact I had with this grou p earlier this year. FindaGrave volunteers at the Yountsville Cemetery in Montgomery Co., IN contacted me for information on Samuel & Jane Marks Robbins & their family who are buried at the cemetery. These volunteers on their own adopted the cemetery & took on cleaning it up & repairing the stones. When they finished it looked really nice. None of them were related to the Robbins family. Dont know how they funded it but I noticed they had brought in a back hoe & a tractor for some of the work. I asked if I could make a donation & they told me they would'nt take any money but if I wanted to donate make the donation to the local historical society. Our main obstacle is we have no one locally to supervise or co-ordinate this project so let's see if we can get something started with Findagrave in NJ then possibly those of us who are interested in the project can consider establishing something for cemetery care. Don't think we will hear much until after the new year. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:20 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE I guess that the find a grave people are the only ones interested in helping in the New Jersey area? I suppose that what people say is true, money talks... I wonder whether a kickstarter, or other similar crow d sourced fundraising could be a start for a small preservation fund earmarked for cleanup and securing the site, at least partially. Any thoughts? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara" wrote: > > Dear Group: > Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. Af ter that we had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. > > Hi Sara! > It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurricane Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of con tacting the local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might par ty in the woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared i t out, but that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. > > There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) > > So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren' t against just going in on our own, just sayin'.) > > Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! > > Sincerely, > Annie > > Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? > > Sara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:537 Sender:tomRobbins@... Post Date/Time:2012-12-14 08:58:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Forgot about the hunters! However,  I was wearing my bright red jacket when I was there last month. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Hoffman" To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:24:08 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE   I had a message from Annie at FindaGrave. She said she had a response from Monmouth County H.S. & they told her possibly a Boy Scout troop may help out & they had no objections to a cleanup. She is willing to do some w ork there after deer season. Don't know if she hunts or is afraid of being hunted.  :>)                                                                                     Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE   Tom,  That's good idea to contact the Allentown H.S. especially if you have a contact there. Ticks carry Lymes Disease. Have family in NJ who have contracted it so anybody who visits should be aware. Lots of mosquitos in the summer too. I don't know if registration is the way to go but just wanted to see if it met any of the criterias. You have a good point about no developer building on the site. If we could see the site retain its natural state with occasional removal of brush & some of the dead trees, it would be a big improvement. I don't think anybody who is familiar with the place expects a type of cemetery that has a manicured green grass covering at that location.                                                                                   Sara
----- Original Message ----- From: tomrobbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  Sara, Could be possible based on the criteria you laid out.  However, if we get it registered we still have the problem of upkeep.  This is no small task.  The ticks maybe the biggest obstacle.  I was there on a warm Nove mber day a few years back and had a lot of ticks on me.  I can't imagine what it is like in the summer. Since the cemetery is In a protective area, we do not have to worry about a developer coming in and building on to p of it.  I'll try to put together my notes on my efforts on finding the deed when I am home for the holidays and send it out to the group.  I think our best bet is to contact the Allentown Historical Society for guidance.  I c an reach out to a contact there and see what he says. Tom Sent from my iPad On Dec 12, 2012, at 2:33 PM, "Sara Hoffman" < july37@... > wrote:
  Tom,  A very informative link. Why do you think we couldn't get it registered?  Would the following would meet one or more of the criterias? Criteria A: The site marked by a stone monument is a link to Monmouth County's 17th century origins (1694) & is considered a Colonial burial site. Criteria B: The burial site of Debby Lincoln & her relationship to the family of Pres. Lincoln a famous person in American history. There are Civil War soldiers buried there. They qualify for markers from the Federal Government if an application is made. They are connected to signficant events in American history. Criteria C: Gravestone of Zachariah Robins inscribed 1704-1749 represents a specific type of an early grave marker.                                                                   Thanks,                                                                             Sara Â
----- Original Message ----- From: tomRobbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  I've included the National Park's cemetery guideline link that may prove useful in any conservation efforts. Don't think we could get it registered according to the guide, but it does cover ownership and other interes ting areas.  http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/publications/bulletins/nrb41/ Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Hoffman" < july37@... > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:23:14 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  Rick,  I appreciate your good ideas. Right now it's my opinion that we need to see how this plays out with Annie at FindaGrave. I thought of trying FindaGrave for the Robbins cemetery after contact I had with this group e arlier this year. FindaGrave volunteers at the Yountsville Cemetery in Montgomery Co., IN contacted me for information on Samuel & Jane Marks Robbins & their family who are buried at the cemetery. These volunteers on their own adopted the cemetery & took on cleaning it up & repairing the stones. When they finished it looked really nice. None of them were related to the Robbins family. Dont know how they funded it but I noticed the y had brought in a back hoe & a tractor for some of the work. I asked if I could make a donation & they told me they would'nt take any money but if I wanted to donate make the donation to the local historical societ y.  Our main obstacle is we have no one locally to supervise or co-ordinate this project so let's see if we can get something started with Findagrave in NJ then possibly those of us who are interested in the project can  consider establishing something for cemetery care. Don't think we will hear much until after the new year.                                                                                   Sara  Â
----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:20 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Â I guess that the find a grave people are the only ones interested in helping in the New Jersey area? I suppose that what people say is true, money talks... I wonder whether a kickstarter, or other similar crowd sourced fundraising could be a start for a small preservation fund earmarked for cleanup and securing the site, at least partially. Any thoughts? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com , "Sara" wrote: > > Dear Group: > Since Tom posted his photos, I've been thinking about a way to get something done at the Robbins Cemetery. Debbie Muench was able to enlist the Boys Scouts to do a cleanup about 6-7 years ago as I recall. After that w e had no success in locating any group to help. The following message is from Annie a contact at FindaGrave. I'd appreciate feedback from members of the group who are intersted in this project. > > Hi Sara! > It's funny that you mention preservation because my boyfriend and I would really like to adopt the cemetery. It's very frustrating that it's in the condition it is; luckily none of the headstones were broken by Hurric ane Sandy (our srea did sustain considerable damage, and it's nearly impossible to get into the burial ground unless you don't mind climbing fallen trees - which we were able to do, lol). I was thinking of contacting th e local historical society and asking permission. We need to bring chain saws to clear it out, not to mention leaf blowers! My main fear of cleaning it up is making it too attractive to teenagers who might party in the woods - it is surrounded by farmland, with no neighbors nearby. I will be sending an email to the Monmouth County Historical Society and seeing what they say. I believe that a troop of Boy Scouts had cleared it out, but that was probably at least 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it's impossible to get in there in the summer; as it is tick infested. My boyfriend and I plan on wearing HazMat suits if/when we go back to clear. > > There are dozens of unmarked fieldstones as well as the inscribed stones. And it's haunted. Just thought I'd toss that in there if you're interested.:^) > > So I'll email the Historical Society (they aren't known for getting right back to people but eventually they do) and I'll let you know what they say. We can go from there, once we have a direction. (We aren't against just going in on our own, just sayin'.) > > Take care, and I'm very glad you emailed me! > > Sincerely, > Annie > > Group: Just my opinion but I don't see why we have to ask the Monmouth County Historical Society for permission. Any thoughts, ideas or opinions? > > Sara >
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:538 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-12-16 13:27:33 Subject:Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Just a interesting fact that I found regarding the use of the word "ye": Thorn Have you ever seen a place that calls itself "ye olde whatever"? As it happens, that's not a "y", or, at least, it wasn't supposed to be. Originally, it was an entirely different letter called thorn, which derived from the Old English runic alphabet, Futhark. Thorn, which was pronounced exactly like the "th" in its name, is actually still around today in Icelandic. We replaced it with "th" over timethorn fell out of use because Gothic-style scripting made the letters y and t horn look practically identical. And, since French printing presses didn't have thorn anyway, it just became common to replace it with a y. Hence naming things like, "Ye Olde Magazine of Interesting Facts" (just as an e xample, of course). Read the full text here: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/156077#ixzz2FFTBkP6t --brought to you by mental_floss! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:539 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-16 16:12:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Rick, I find that interesting about the word Ye & it does make sense when explained how it evolved from thorn. That's a catchy name mental floss. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Just a interesting fact that I found regarding the use of the word "ye": Thorn Have you ever seen a place that calls itself "ye olde whatever"? As it happens, that's not a "y", or, at least, it wasn't supposed to be. Originally, it was an entirely different letter called thorn, which derived fro m the Old English runic alphabet, Futhark. Thorn, which was pronounced exactly like the "th" in its name, is actually still around today in Icelandic. We replaced it with "th" over time-thorn fell out of use because Gothic-style scripting made the letters y an d thorn look practically identical. And, since French printing presses didn't have thorn anyway, it just became common to replace it with a y. Hence naming things like, "Ye Olde Magazine of Interesting Facts" (just as a n example, of course). Read the full text here: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/156077#ixzz2FFTBkP6t --brought to you by mental_floss! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:540 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-12-16 16:52:35 Subject:YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Tom from your research of the cemetery records do you have any answers about original ownership of the cemetery?. Charles Robbins Hutchinson recorded the Robbins Burial Place belonged to Richard Salter in 1720. I conclude from this that the Robins family came into ownership sometime after 1720 & although the monument is inscribed w ith the date 1695, we have no record that any Robins was buried there in 1695 or before. CRH writes the land was originally patented by John Baker who sold it to George Willocks & then to Richard Salter. In another writ ing about the Robbins cemetery deed, Mr. Hutchinson says the cemetery appears to have been near the land Daniel Robins bought from John Reid in 1695 but didn't know if the cemetery was within the boundaries of this trac t. The deed has a date of Dec. 12, 1762. Was there a previous deed? The earliest grave marker recorded is for Deborah Lincoln in 1720, then M.R. 1723 (unknown person). Moses Robins,Sr. d. 1744 from the Bible record that gives his death date & burial place, his son Zachariah Robins' marker dated 1749. The rest of the Robins/Robbins burials are later dates. I'm confused about when, from & to whom the one acre cemetery site originally ca me the Robins family hands. Is it possible Moses Robins, Sr. was the first owner? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:541 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2012-12-16 17:18:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: This has probably been posted before, but here are some notes I have on Ye Olde: The Robins Burying Ground  The Robins Family Burying ground of which frequent mention is made in this record, is located about five miles east of Allentown, and near the easterly line of Upper Freehold Tonship. It occupies the top of a hill on the northerly side of the Shrewsbury road, and has an elevation of 295 feet. It contains one acre of land and is near the southeasterly line of the 500 acres which Daniel Robins [Sr.] bought of John Reid in 1695. It was a place of interment at least as early as 1720, which is the date on the oldest stone now in evidence. A more particular account of this ancient grave yard is contained in Book 2, page 101, Hutchison Manuscript Book A 254.  The old graveyard on Covellâs Hill, about two miles west of Clarksburg, near and to the north of the Allentown road, has until recently been a neglected place. Nobody in this neighborhood seemed to know anything about the history or the owner-ship.  Recently the West twins, James and C.Palmer, have at considerable expense cleared the entire plot of briars and weeds, and have erected a substantial and pleasing granite memorial at the entance from the road.  The burying ground is located on the farm formerly belonging to Moses Robins, son of Daniel Robins, the first settler. The plan was not systematically laid out. The early graves were roughly aligned, without space being left between successive rows, and were simply marked with pieces of field stone.  In 1762, Daniel Robins, son of Zacharias Robins and grandson of Moses Robins, deeded an acre of ground covering the graveyard to some members of the Robins family, who formed a self perpetualating set of Trustees, and from hence is derived the name âThe Robins Burial Placeâ. The grave that has been given the most publicity is that of Deborah, duaghter of Mordecia Lincoln, great-great-granddaughter of President Lincoln.  In later years the graves have been carefully aligned and marked with marble slabs with inscriptions. One stone with the initials âM.H.â is possible [sic] for Moses Robins. The headstone although badly weatherworn is still readable. This is a refernce point in the original deed of trust. In the section where the De Bows are buried, we find the graves of great-grandfather De Bow and his wife Abigail (Robins); their children viz: Thomas, Lawrence, Sarah, John and his wife Lydia (Wolcott); Here also are the graves of John Robins and his wife Ann I.  Until recently I did not know that John Robins was an Uncle of great grandmother De Bow, although their graves were near each other.  Samuel Stewart and his wife are buried near. I think Sarah wa an Inins, [Ivins?] and a first cousin of Grandmother Gravatt.  Many more of the Robins are buried at Covellâs Hill, but as far as I can recall, no others are closely related to us.  â¦.believe the above to be written by Consuelo Furman, Grand Central P.O. Box 162, New York, 17, NY on Oct 1 1952â¦..  Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:542 Sender:"Bettylou Steadman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-16 22:54:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: I just received my first issue of a subscription to the magazine "Mental Floss." Very interesting. Bettylou Steadman Descendent of Aaron Robbins ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/16/2012 3:12:33 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Rick, I find that interesting about the word Ye & it does make sense when explained how it evolved from thorn. That's a catchy name mental floss. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Just a interesting fact that I found regarding the use of the word "ye": Thorn Have you ever seen a place that calls itself "ye olde whatever"? As it happens, that's not a "y", or, at least, it wasn't supposed to be. Originally, it was an entirely different letter called thorn, which derived from the Old English runic alphabet, Futhark. Thorn, which was pronounced exactly like the "th" in its name, is actually still around today in Icelandic. We replaced it with "th" over time�thorn fell out of use because Gothic-style scripting made the letters y an d thorn look practically identical. And, since French printing presses didn't have thorn anyway, it just became common to replace it with a y. Hence naming things like, "Ye Olde Magazine of Interesting Facts" (just as a n example, of course). Read the full text here: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/156077#ixzz2FFTBkP6t --brought to you by mental_floss! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:543 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-12-16 23:04:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: This has been such a lively conversation! Thank you all. I wanted to contribute this link to the fabulous and relevant journal of the Association for Gravestone Studies , *Markers*, which is available here for free: http://www.library.umass.edu/spcoll/umarmot/?p=991 Cheers! On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Bettylou Steadman < wunderwoman@...> wrote: > ** > > > I just received my first issue of a subscription to the magazine "Mental > Floss." Very interesting. > > Bettylou Steadman > Descendent of Aaron Robbins > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Sara Hoffman > *To: *robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* 12/16/2012 3:12:33 PM > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > > > > Rick, > > I find that interesting about the word Ye & it does make sense when > explained how it evolved from thorn. That's a catchy name mental floss. > > Sara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, December 16, 2012 1:27 PM > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE > > > > > > Just a interesting fact that I found regarding the use of the word "ye": > > Thorn > > > Have you ever seen a place that calls itself "ye olde whatever"? As it > happens, that's not a "y", or, at least, it wasn't supposed to be. > Originally, it was an entirely different letter called thorn, which derived > from the Old English runic alphabet, Futhark. > > Thorn, which was pronounced exactly like the "th" in its name, is actually > still around today in Icelandic. We replaced it with "th" over timeèhorn > fell out of use because Gothic-style scripting made the letters y and thorn > look practically identical. And, since French printing presses didn't have > thorn anyway, it just became common to replace it with a y. Hence naming > things like, "Ye Olde Magazine of Interesting Facts" (just as an example, > of course). > > > Read the full text here: > http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/156077#ixzz2FFTBkP6t > --brought to you by mental_floss! > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS Bonneville Communications todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:544 Sender:tomRobbins@... Post Date/Time:2012-12-17 04:42:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Sara, No,  I don't have any additional information about the original ownership. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 6:52:35 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  Tom from your research of the cemetery records do you have any answers about original ownership of the cemetery?. Charles Robbins Hutchinson recorded the Robbins Burial Place belonged to Richard Salter in 1720. I conclude from this that the Robins family came into ownership sometime after 1720 & although the monument is inscribed w ith the date 1695, we have no record that any Robins was buried there in 1695 or before. CRH writes the land was originally patented by John Baker who sold it to George Willocks & then to Richard Salter. In another writ ing about the Robbins cemetery deed, Mr. Hutchinson says the cemetery appears to have been near the land Daniel Robins bought from John Reid in 1695 but didn't know if the cemetery was within the boundaries of this trac t. The deed has a date of Dec. 12, 1762. Was there a previous deed? The earliest grave marker recorded is for Deborah Lincoln in 1720, then M.R. 1723 (unknown person). Moses Robins,Sr. d. 1744 from the Bible record that gives his death date & burial place, his son Zachariah Robins' marker dated 1749. The rest of the Robins/Robbins burials are later dates. I'm confused about when, from & to whom the one acre cemetery site originally ca me the Robins family hands. Is it possible Moses Robins, Sr. was the first owner? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:545 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-17 10:17:20 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Bill, thank you for the article, don't think it was ever posted. Looks like Ms. Furman's information comes from the CRH papers. He's the one who has passed along the most accurate information on the cemetery & was in po ssession of the original deed before it went to his son Barton Hutchinson where the trail ends. It appears no one knows who owns the cemetery. Tom are you the most knowledgeable person on the details of the deed succession & ownership so please correct me if I'm in error about CRH & son. Re: Cemetery maintanence & preservation, The State of NJ has enacted "The Abandoned Cemetery Maintenance & Preservation Act." It appears there are funds available to maintain & restore cemeteries. Have no idea if the R obbins cemetery qualifies as abandoned or if it does how funds for this purpose are obtained. I'm assuming one would have to be a resident of NJ to apply to the State. http://legiscan.com/gaits/text/518839 & ftp://www.n jleg.state.nj.us/20062007/A0500/242_I1.HTM or google this subject. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE This has probably been posted before, but here are some notes I have on Ye Olde: The Robins Burying Ground The Robins Family Burying ground of which frequent mention is made in this record, is located about five miles east of Allentown, and near the easterly line of Upper Freehold Tonship. It occupies the top of a hill on the northerly side of the Shrewsbury road, and has an elevation of 295 feet. It contains one acre of land and is near the southeasterly line of the 500 acres which Daniel Robins [Sr.] bought of John Reid in 1695. It was a place of interment at least as early as 1720, which is the date on the oldest stone now in evidence. A more particular account of this ancient grave yard is contained in Book 2, page 101, Hutchison Manuscript Boo k A 254. The old graveyard on Covellâs Hill, about two miles west of Clarksburg, near and to the north of the Allentown road, has until recently been a neglected place. Nobody in this neighborhood seemed to know anything abou t the history or the owner-ship. Recently the West twins, James and C.Palmer, have at considerable expense cleared the entire plot of briars and weeds, and have erected a substantial and pleasing granite memorial at the entance from the road. The burying ground is located on the farm formerly belonging to Moses Robins, son of Daniel Robins, the first settler. The plan was not systematically laid out. The early graves were roughly aligned, without space b eing left between successive rows, and were simply marked with pieces of field stone. In 1762, Daniel Robins, son of Zacharias Robins and grandson of Moses Robins, deeded an acre of ground covering the graveyard to some members of the Robins family, who formed a self perpetualating set of Trustees, and from hence is derived the name âThe Robins Burial Placeâ. The grave that has been given the most publicity is that of Deborah, duaghter of Mordecia Lincoln, great-great-granddaughter of President Lincoln. In later years the graves have been carefully aligned and marked with marble slabs with inscriptions. One stone with the initials âM.H.â is possible [sic] for Moses Robins. The headstone although badly weatherworn i s still readable. This is a refernce point in the original deed of trust. In the section where the De Bows are buried, we find the graves of great-grandfather De Bow and his wife Abigail (Robins); their children viz: Thomas, Lawrence, Sarah, John and his wife Lydia (Wolcott); Here also are the graves of John Robins and his wife Ann I. Until recently I did not know that John Robins was an Uncle of great grandmother De Bow, although their graves were near each other. Samuel Stewart and his wife are buried near. I think Sarah wa an Inins, [Ivins?] and a first cousin of Grandmother Gravatt. Many more of the Robins are buried at Covellâs Hill, but as far as I can recall, no others are closely related to us. â¦.believe the above to be written by Consuelo Furman, Grand Central P.O. Box 162, New York, 17, NY on Oct 1 1952â¦.. Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:546 Sender:tomRobbins@... Post Date/Time:2012-12-17 11:35:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE Message: Sara, I do have updated information which I'll pass along to the group over the holidays. I need to reference my notes in order to provide the accurate timeline. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Hoffman" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 12:17:20 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE      Bill, thank you for the article, don't think it was ever posted. Looks like Ms. Furman's information comes from the CRH papers. He's the one who has passed along the most accurate information on the cemetery & was in possession of the original deed before it went to his son Barton Hutchinson where the trail ends. It appears no one knows who owns the cemetery.  Tom are you the most knowledgeable person on the details of the deed succession & ownership so please correct me if I'm in error about CRH & son.  Re: Cemetery maintanence & preservation, The State of NJ has enacted  "The Abandoned Cemetery Maintenance & Preservation Act." It appears there are funds available to maintain & restore cemeteries. Have no idea if the Robbins cemetery qualifies as abandoned or if it does how funds for this purpose are obtained. I'm assuming one would have to be a resident of NJ to apply to the State. http://legiscan.com/gaits/text/518839  & ftp ://www.njleg.state.nj.us/20062007/A0500/242_I1.HTM  or google this subject.                                                                          Sara                                                                                                          ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] YE OLDE ROBBINS BURIAL PLACE  This has probably been posted before, but here are some notes I have on Ye Olde: The Robins Burying Ground The Robins Family Burying ground of which frequent mention is made in this record, is located about five miles east of Allentown, and near the easterly line of Upper Freehold Tonship. It occupies the top of a hill on the northerly side of the Shrewsbury road, and has an elevation of 295 feet. It contains one acre of land and is near the southeasterly line of the 500 acres which Daniel Robins [Sr.] bought of John Reid in 1695. It was a place of interment at least as early as 1720, which is the date on the oldest stone now in evidence. A more particular account of this ancient grave yard is contained in Book 2, page 101, Hutchison Manuscript B ook A 254. The old graveyard on Covellâs Hill, about two miles west of Clarksburg, near and to the north of the Allentown road, has until recently been a neglected place. Nobody in this neighborhood seemed to know anything about the history or the owner-ship. Recently the West twins, James and C.Palmer, have at considerable expense cleared the entire plot of briars and weeds, and have erected a substantial and pleasing granite memorial at the entance from the road. The burying ground is located on the farm formerly belonging to Moses Robins, son of Daniel Robins, the first settler. The plan was not systematically laid out. The early graves were roughly aligned, without space b eing left between successive rows, and were simply marked with pieces of field stone. In 1762, Daniel Robins, son of Zacharias Robins and grandson of Moses Robins, deeded an acre of ground covering the graveyard to some members of the Robins family, who formed a self perpetualating set of Trustees, and f rom hence is derived the name âThe Robins Burial Placeâ. The grave that has been given the most publicity is that of Deborah, duaghter of Mordecia Lincoln, great-great-granddaughter of President Lincoln. In later years the graves have been carefully aligned and marked with marble slabs with inscriptions. One stone with the initials âM.H.â is possible [sic] for Moses Robins. The headstone although badly weatherworn i s still readable. This is a refernce point in the original deed of trust. In the section where the De Bows are buried, we find the graves of great-grandfather De Bow and his wife Abigail (Robins); their children viz : Thomas, Lawrence, Sarah, John and his wife Lydia (Wolcott); Here also are the graves of John Robins and his wife Ann I. Until recently I did not know that John Robins was an Uncle of great grandmother De Bow, although their graves were near each other. Samuel Stewart and his wife are buried near. I think Sarah wa an Inins, [Ivins?] and a first cousin of Grandmother Gravatt. Many more of the Robins are buried at Covellâs Hill, but as far as I can recall, no others are closely related to us. â¦.believe the above to be written by Consuelo Furman, Grand Central P.O. Box 162, New York, 17, NY on Oct 1 1952â¦..  Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:548 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-12-21 08:46:56 Subject:23 And Me DNA testing now 99 dollars. Message: I guess I may have to give this a try to see what the resulting mix will be for me. I'm sure that this has no value with tracing the Robbins lineage, if some other participating group members have the same result, perha ps it may be significant... or not. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:549 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-12-21 09:22:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23 And Me DNA testing now 99 dollars. Message: The $99 test is the best price yet; I wish I had had my wife Nelda Robbins German tested at 23andMe but instead paid twice as much for the Family Finder test at FTDNA. On the upside however if you do get this test, you and Nelda can still compare your results by uploading the raw data to another web site http://www.gedmatch.com/ Her results are already uploaded there. So if you get the 23andMe test and want to compare with Nelda, please send me an email when you get your results. Rick wrote: >I guess I may have to give this a try to see what the resulting mix will be for me. I'm sure that this has no value with tracing the Robbins lineage, if some other participating group members have the same result, perh aps it may be significant... or not. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:550 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2012-12-21 10:52:02 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23 And Me DNA testing now 99 dollars. Message: I suppose I wasted $99 for a DNA test at Ancestry.com, as I do not have a raw data file to use for comparison at other sites.  Their results did not teach me anything that I did not already know (sigh...)  Bill Collins ________________________________ From: John German To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23 And Me DNA testing now 99 dollars.  The $99 test is the best price yet; I wish I had had my wife Nelda Robbins German tested at 23andMe but instead paid twice as much for the Family Finder test at FTDNA. On the upside however if you do get this test, you and Nelda can still compare your results by uploading the raw data to another web site http://www.gedmatch.com/ Her results are already uploaded there. So if you get the 23andMe test and want to compare with Nelda, please send me an email when you get your results. Rick wrote: >I guess I may have to give this a try to see what the resulting mix will be for me. I'm sure that this has no value with tracing the Robbins lineage, if some other participating group members have the same result, perh aps it may be significant... or not. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:551 Sender:John German Post Date/Time:2012-12-21 10:56:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23 And Me DNA testing now 99 dollars. Message: You're not their first disappointed customer. There are many who wished they went to FTDNA or 23andME. William Collins wrote: > > > I suppose I wasted $99 for a DNA test at Ancestry.com, as I do not > have a raw data file to use for comparison at other sites. Their > results did not teach me anything that I did not already know (sigh...) > > Bill Collins > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: John German > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23 And Me DNA testing now 99 dollars. > > > The $99 test is the best price yet; I wish I had had my wife Nelda > Robbins German tested at 23andMe but instead paid twice as much for the > Family Finder test at FTDNA. On the upside however if you do get this > test, you and Nelda can still compare your results by uploading the raw > data to another web site http://www.gedmatch.com/ Her results are > already uploaded there. So if you get the 23andMe test and want to > compare with Nelda, please send me an email when you get your results. > > Rick wrote: > > >I guess I may have to give this a try to see what the resulting mix > will be for me. I'm sure that this has no value with tracing the > Robbins lineage, if some other participating group members have the > same result, perhaps it may be significant... or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:552 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-12-21 22:28:23 Subject:Re: 23 And Me DNA testing now 99 dollars. Message: I most certainly will do that. Should be interesting outside of the usual Y DNA pattern. Should be after the new year before I send for it. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > The $99 test is the best price yet; I wish I had had my wife Nelda > Robbins German tested at 23andMe but instead paid twice as much for the > Family Finder test at FTDNA. On the upside however if you do get this > test, you and Nelda can still compare your results by uploading the raw > data to another web site http://www.gedmatch.com/ Her results are > already uploaded there. So if you get the 23andMe test and want to > compare with Nelda, please send me an email when you get your results. > > Rick wrote: > > >I guess I may have to give this a try to see what the resulting mix will be for me. I'm sure that this has no value with tracing the Robbins lineage, if some other participating group members have the same result, pe rhaps it may be significant... or not. > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:553 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2012-12-22 08:46:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] (unknown) Message: Merrrrrrrrrrrrrry Christmas! Anyone care to share our ancestors' holiday traditions with the group? On Friday, December 21, 2012, Dale Robbins wrote: > ** > > > Merry Christmas to all! > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:554 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-12-22 09:57:46 Subject:Re: (unknown) Message: Naturally, all our traditions are different, due to the blending of cultures, and the varied lifestyles associated with such. But I'll go with what I remember from the Robbins family that I came from. My grandparents and great grandparents were "up north" people, meaning that there was usually wild game associated with Christmas dinner. Fresh cut trees. Not much decoration outside, as I recall. My grandmother's influence came in from her roots in Hungary/Croatia. Stuffed cabbage with sauerkraut and a paprika based tomato sauce came into the picture on Christmas from time to time. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Merrrrrrrrrrrrrry Christmas! Anyone care to share our ancestors' holiday > traditions with the group? > > On Friday, December 21, 2012, Dale Robbins wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Merry Christmas to all! > > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:555 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-22 12:57:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Message: Oyster stew on Christmas Eve made with fresh oysters from the Delaware Bay. Mince meat pies as a traditional Christmas Day dinner dessert. The pies were flavored with rum never any artifical flavoring & contained all na tural ingredients including the meat from deer killed by family members. The meat was divided up & shared with all our relatives. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Naturally, all our traditions are different, due to the blending of cultures, and the varied lifestyles associated with such. But I'll go with what I remember from the Robbins family that I came from. My grandparents and great grandparents were "up north" people, meaning that there was usually wild game associated with Christmas dinner. Fresh cut trees. Not much decoration outside, as I recall. My grandmother's influence came in from her roots in Hungary/Croatia. Stuffed cabbage with sauerkraut and a paprika based tomato sauce came into the picture on Christmas from time to time. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Merrrrrrrrrrrrrry Christmas! Anyone care to share our ancestors' holiday > traditions with the group? > > On Friday, December 21, 2012, Dale Robbins wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Merry Christmas to all! > > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:556 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2012-12-22 14:47:57 Subject:Re: 23 And Me DNA testing now 99 dollars. Message: I had heard things about Ancestry's service when they started offering it. Not too flattering things, I mmight add. Can't say good or bad since I never tried it. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, John German wrote: > > You're not their first disappointed customer. There are many who wished > they went to FTDNA or 23andME. > > William Collins wrote: > > > > > > > I suppose I wasted $99 for a DNA test at Ancestry.com, as I do not > > have a raw data file to use for comparison at other sites. Their > > results did not teach me anything that I did not already know (sigh...) > > > > Bill Collins > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: John German > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23 And Me DNA testing now 99 dollars. > > > > > > The $99 test is the best price yet; I wish I had had my wife Nelda > > Robbins German tested at 23andMe but instead paid twice as much for the > > Family Finder test at FTDNA. On the upside however if you do get this > > test, you and Nelda can still compare your results by uploading the raw > > data to another web site http://www.gedmatch.com/ Her results are > > already uploaded there. So if you get the 23andMe test and want to > > compare with Nelda, please send me an email when you get your results. > > > > Rick wrote: > > > > >I guess I may have to give this a try to see what the resulting mix > > will be for me. I'm sure that this has no value with tracing the > > Robbins lineage, if some other participating group members have the > > same result, perhaps it may be significant... or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:557 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2012-12-22 18:06:13 Subject:MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR Message: Wishing everybody a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:558 Sender:"Carol" Post Date/Time:2012-12-22 21:22:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR Message: A very Merry Christmas and a Health, Happy New Year to every one Carol From: Sara Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 5:06 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR Wishing everybody a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:559 Sender:"Bettylou Steadman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-22 21:34:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Message: I never knew any Robbins' traditions. My paternal grandmother was a Robbins, but she died of TB at the age of 32 and I never met her. She left five young children behind, including my father. Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/22/2012 11:57:21 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Oyster stew on Christmas Eve made with fresh oysters from the Delaware Bay. Mince meat pies as a traditional Christmas Day dinner dessert. The pies were flavored with rum never any artifical flavoring & contained all na tural ingredients including the meat from deer killed by family members. The meat was divided up & shared with all our relatives. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Naturally, all our traditions are different, due to the blending of cultures, and the varied lifestyles associated with such. But I'll go with what I remember from the Robbins family that I came from. My grandparents and great grandparents were "up north" people, meaning that there was usually wild game associated with Christmas dinner. Fresh cut trees. Not much decoration outside, as I recall. My grandmother's influence came in from her roots in Hungary/Croatia. Stuffed cabbage with sauerkraut and a paprika based tomato sauce came into the picture on Christmas from time to time. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Merrrrrrrrrrrrrry Christmas! Anyone care to share our ancestors' holiday > traditions with the group? > > On Friday, December 21, 2012, Dale Robbins wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Merry Christmas to all! > > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:560 Sender:"jrobyn11" Post Date/Time:2012-12-23 08:47:05 Subject:Re: (unknown) Message: Oyster stew on Christmas Eve, definitely! In my childhood, the oysters were most likely harvested by a Robbins family member. The part of the tradition that I carry on, is serving the oyster stew with OTCs (Orifinal Trenton Crackers, very unlike the ones now found in grocery stores) and a bit of horseradish (the just-horseradish-and-finegar ki nd, not the creamy variety). I don't remember the homemade mincemeat, although my (Robbins) mother had some fondness for it, and so do I. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Oyster stew on Christmas Eve made with fresh oysters from the Delaware Bay. Mince meat pies as a traditional Christmas Day dinner dessert. The pies were flavored with rum never any artifical flavoring & contained all natural ingredients including the meat from deer killed by family members. The meat was divided up & shared with all our relatives. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:57 AM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) > > > > Naturally, all our traditions are different, due to the blending of cultures, and the varied lifestyles associated with such. But I'll go with what I remember from the Robbins family that I came from. > > My grandparents and great grandparents were "up north" people, meaning that there was usually wild game associated with Christmas dinner. Fresh cut trees. Not much decoration outside, as I recall. > > My grandmother's influence came in from her roots in Hungary/Croatia. Stuffed cabbage with sauerkraut and a paprika based tomato sauce came into the picture on Christmas from time to time. > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@" wrote: > > > > Merrrrrrrrrrrrrry Christmas! Anyone care to share our ancestors' holiday > > traditions with the group? > > > > On Friday, December 21, 2012, Dale Robbins wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Merry Christmas to all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:561 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-23 09:15:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Message: Bettylou, Your courage, hope & strength in facing difficult & uncertain circumstances is a Robbins tradition. Wishing you a wonderful new year & may God bless you every day. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Bettylou Steadman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) I never knew any Robbins' traditions. My paternal grandmother was a Robbins, but she died of TB at the age of 32 and I never met her. She left five young children behind, including my father. Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/22/2012 11:57:21 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Oyster stew on Christmas Eve made with fresh oysters from the Delaware Bay. Mince meat pies as a traditional Christmas Day dinner dessert. The pies were flavored with rum never any artifical flavoring & contained al l natural ingredients including the meat from deer killed by family members. The meat was divided up & shared with all our relatives. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Naturally, all our traditions are different, due to the blending of cultures, and the varied lifestyles associated with such. But I'll go with what I remember from the Robbins family that I came from. My grandparents and great grandparents were "up north" people, meaning that there was usually wild game associated with Christmas dinner. Fresh cut trees. Not much decoration outside, as I recall. My grandmother's influence came in from her roots in Hungary/Croatia. Stuffed cabbage with sauerkraut and a paprika based tomato sauce came into the picture on Christmas from time to time. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Merrrrrrrrrrrrrry Christmas! Anyone care to share our ancestors' holiday > traditions with the group? > > On Friday, December 21, 2012, Dale Robbins wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Merry Christmas to all! > > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:562 Sender:"Bettylou Steadman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-23 10:19:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Message: Thank you, Sara. Six chemos down, and only six more to go. Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/23/2012 8:15:37 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Bettylou, Your courage, hope & strength in facing difficult & uncertain circumstances is a Robbins tradition. Wishing you a wonderful new year & may God bless you every day. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Bettylou Steadman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) I never knew any Robbins' traditions. My paternal grandmother was a Robbins, but she died of TB at the age of 32 and I never met her. She left five young children behind, including my father. Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/22/2012 11:57:21 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Oyster stew on Christmas Eve made with fresh oysters from the Delaware Bay. Mince meat pies as a traditional Christmas Day dinner dessert. The pies were flavored with rum never any artifical flavoring & contained all na tural ingredients including the meat from deer killed by family members. The meat was divided up & shared with all our relatives. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Naturally, all our traditions are different, due to the blending of cultures, and the varied lifestyles associated with such. But I'll go with what I remember from the Robbins family that I came from. My grandparents and great grandparents were "up north" people, meaning that there was usually wild game associated with Christmas dinner. Fresh cut trees. Not much decoration outside, as I recall. My grandmother's influence came in from her roots in Hungary/Croatia. Stuffed cabbage with sauerkraut and a paprika based tomato sauce came into the picture on Christmas from time to time. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Merrrrrrrrrrrrrry Christmas! Anyone care to share our ancestors' holiday > traditions with the group? > > On Friday, December 21, 2012, Dale Robbins wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Merry Christmas to all! > > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:563 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2012-12-23 14:39:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Message: Thinking of you, as I have been through this too. I am praying for you. Shirley Robbins Hawley --- On Sun, 12/23/12, Bettylou Steadman wrote: From: Bettylou Steadman Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 11:19 AM  Thank you, Sara. Six chemos down, and only six more to go.  Bettylou   ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/23/2012 8:15:37 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown)  Bettylou,  Your courage, hope & strength in facing difficult & uncertain circumstances is a Robbins tradition. Wishing you a wonderful new year & may God bless you every day.                                                                                      Sara    ----- Original Message ----- From: Bettylou Steadman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown)  I never knew any Robbins' traditions. My paternal grandmother was a Robbins, but she died of TB at the age of 32 and I never met her. She left five young children behind, including my father.  Bettylou   ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/22/2012 11:57:21 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown)  Oyster stew on Christmas Eve made with fresh oysters from the Delaware Bay. Mince meat pies as a traditional Christmas Day dinner dessert. The pies were flavored with rum never any artifical flavoring & contained al l natural ingredients including the meat from deer killed by family members. The meat was divided up & shared with all our relatives.                                                                                     Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown)  Naturally, all our traditions are different, due to the blending of cultures, and the varied lifestyles associated with such. But I'll go with what I remember from the Robbins family that I came from. My grandparents and great grandparents were "up north" people, meaning that there was usually wild game associated with Christmas dinner. Fresh cut trees. Not much decoration outside, as I recall. My grandmother's influence came in from her roots in Hungary/Croatia. Stuffed cabbage with sauerkraut and a paprika based tomato sauce came into the picture on Christmas from time to time. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Merrrrrrrrrrrrrry Christmas! Anyone care to share our ancestors' holiday > traditions with the group? > > On Friday, December 21, 2012, Dale Robbins wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Merry Christmas to all! > > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:564 Sender:"Bettylou Steadman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-23 19:23:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Message: Thank you, Shirley. I had a lumpectomy in July and the chemo is supposed to be preventive therapy, to be followed by radiation. I'll be 80 in February, but I did have a Robbins great uncle who lived to be 98. I haven 't lost the faith. Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Hawley To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/23/2012 1:40:02 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Thinking of you, as I have been through this too. I am praying for you. Shirley Robbins Hawley --- On Sun, 12/23/12, Bettylou Steadman wrote: From: Bettylou Steadman Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 23, 2012, 11:19 AM Thank you, Sara. Six chemos down, and only six more to go. Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/23/2012 8:15:37 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Bettylou, Your courage, hope & strength in facing difficult & uncertain circumstances is a Robbins tradition. Wishing you a wonderful new year & may God bless you every day. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Bettylou Steadman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) I never knew any Robbins' traditions. My paternal grandmother was a Robbins, but she died of TB at the age of 32 and I never met her. She left five young children behind, including my father. Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/22/2012 11:57:21 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Oyster stew on Christmas Eve made with fresh oysters from the Delaware Bay. Mince meat pies as a traditional Christmas Day dinner dessert. The pies were flavored with rum never any artifical flavoring & contained all na tural ingredients including the meat from deer killed by family members. The meat was divided up & shared with all our relatives. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 9:57 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: (unknown) Naturally, all our traditions are different, due to the blending of cultures, and the varied lifestyles associated with such. But I'll go with what I remember from the Robbins family that I came from. My grandparents and great grandparents were "up north" people, meaning that there was usually wild game associated with Christmas dinner. Fresh cut trees. Not much decoration outside, as I recall. My grandmother's influence came in from her roots in Hungary/Croatia. Stuffed cabbage with sauerkraut and a paprika based tomato sauce came into the picture on Christmas from time to time. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Merrrrrrrrrrrrrry Christmas! Anyone care to share our ancestors' holiday > traditions with the group? > > On Friday, December 21, 2012, Dale Robbins wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Merry Christmas to all! > > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:565 Sender:"tkrobbins1" Post Date/Time:2012-12-29 10:10:35 Subject:Robbins Burial Ground Notes Message: Ye Olde Robbins Burial Ground Notes Here is some information I gathered (summarized) about the Robbins Burial Ground. Bottom line is that I still don't have solid documentation of a transfer of the cemetery to State of New Jersey. The Department of Envir onment for the State of New Jersey should have documentation of the land transfer in their records. I did contact them back in 2007, but never heard back whether they had documentation or not. Path forward should include the following: 1. Establish contact with DEP again and see if they have any documentation. 2. Contact Allentown Historical Society and brain storm a plan for upkeep of cemetery - propose possible tie-in with Robbins House (State of NJ controls this). 3. Prepare a newspaper article that combines past history with current state of cemetery. 4. Possible book detailing history of Robbins Burial ground from the perspective of the burial ground as a constant contrasted with changes to surrounding area. Deed chronology - At least six deeds related to Robbins holding this land have been documented. The following summary is from Todd Hogrefe's survey of the burial ground (A Genealogical/Historic Survey of Ye Olde Robbin s Burial Place, Upper Freehold, and NJ - Copy at the Allentown Library, Allentown, NJ). Deborah Lincoln was buried May 15. 1720, the hill and the land around it was owned by her grandfather, Richard Salter. 1-Between this date and December 12, 1762, this land passed into the hands of Daniel Robbins Jr. 2-December 12, 1762, Daniel Robbins Jr. released his possession of the burial ground to Moses Robbins, Joseph Robbins. Daniel Robbins of Allentown, Nathan Robbins, Zebulon Robbins and Moses Robbins Jr In 1786, the property surrounding the burial ground was bought from Lewis Robbins by Captain Samuel Covell, but the cemetery remained in the possession of the Robbins family. Burial ground came to be referred to as the Covell Hill burying ground because it was situated atop the hill surrounded by the land of Samuel Covell. 3-Deed dated March 3, 1796, dismissed Zebulon Robbins of Upper Freehold Township. Monmouth County, and Nathan Robbins of Mansfield Township, Burlington County as trustees of Ye Olde Robbins Burial Place and gran ted the land to Davis Robbins, George Robbins, Antrim Robbins, Ephraim Robbins and Ezekiel Robbins of Allentown, Elijah Robbins and Isaac Robbins. 4-September 16, 1847 George Robbins and Ephraim Robbins released deed to Elisha Robbins, Jacob F. Robbins, Timothy Robbins of Monmouth County and Nathan Robbins of Mercer County. 5-Deed dated January 1, 1884, Nathan Robbins of Hamilton Township. Mercer County, being the only living trustee, forfeits his claim of the burying ground to Samuel M. Robbins of Hamilton Township and Barton B, H utchinson of Trenton, Mercer County. 6-Deed dated May 17, 1923, grantors of the burying ground were Aaron H. Robbins of Hamilton Township, and Barton B. Hutchinson of Trenton, Mercer County. Grantees were George B. Robbins and Charles Perry Hutchin son - the great-great grandson of Joseph Robbins. The last funeral in the burying ground was that of Eliza Steward In 1914. 1960's, the Green Acres program acquired the area around the cemetery for Assunpink Creek State Park. The acre of land containing the cemetery was turned over to the state Division of Fish, Game, and Wildlife fo r development as a recreation area. West Brothers 1938 Sunday Times-Advertiser Trenton, NJ West brothers' caretakers for cemetery 1938 - Erected monument at roadside below burial ground. Erected by James West and C. Palmer West Green Acres 1. Present Day Efforts a. Assunipink Wildlife Management Area called office at the site in search of deed and was directed to contact headquarters in Trenton. b. Deed search with NJ i. Contacted Monmouth County Historical Society ii. Discussed deed with Ed Raser, author c. Contact with Hutchinson Descendants i. Email with Richard Hutchinson ii. Letter and documentation to Carolyn Houck iii. Letter and documentation to Charles Percy Hutchinson d. Tax Map i. Researched NJ tax maps current map shows 1 acre area no reference to it in tax listings however. e. New Jersey Department of the Environment i. Contacted Renee Jones at DEP back in 2007. She was looking for the deed. No response back from her. ii. New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife iii. David Chanda, Director N.J. Division of Fish and Wildlife Mail Code 501-03 P.O. Box 420 Trenton, NJ 08625-0420 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:566 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2012-12-29 11:22:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Burial Ground Notes Message: Tom, I appreciate your summary & extensive research on the Robbins cemetery. It looks like you have done all that is possible to answer questions on ownership & have laid out a very good plan for a path forward. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: tkrobbins1 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Burial Ground Notes Ye Olde Robbins Burial Ground Notes Here is some information I gathered (summarized) about the Robbins Burial Ground. Bottom line is that I still don't have solid documentation of a transfer of the cemetery to State of New Jersey. The Department of Envi ronment for the State of New Jersey should have documentation of the land transfer in their records. I did contact them back in 2007, but never heard back whether they had documentation or not. Path forward should include the following: 1. Establish contact with DEP again and see if they have any documentation. 2. Contact Allentown Historical Society and brain storm a plan for upkeep of cemetery - propose possible tie-in with Robbins House (State of NJ controls this). 3. Prepare a newspaper article that combines past history with current state of cemetery. 4. Possible book detailing history of Robbins Burial ground from the perspective of the burial ground as a constant contrasted with changes to surrounding area. Deed chronology - At least six deeds related to Robbins holding this land have been documented. The following summary is from Todd Hogrefe's survey of the burial ground (A Genealogical/Historic Survey of Ye Olde Robbi ns Burial Place, Upper Freehold, and NJ - Copy at the Allentown Library, Allentown, NJ). . Deborah Lincoln was buried May 15. 1720, the hill and the land around it was owned by her grandfather, Richard Salter. . 1-Between this date and December 12, 1762, this land passed into the hands of Daniel Robbins Jr. . 2-December 12, 1762, Daniel Robbins Jr. released his possession of the burial ground to Moses Robbins, Joseph Robbins. Daniel Robbins of Allentown, Nathan Robbins, Zebulon Robbins and Moses Robbins Jr . In 1786, the property surrounding the burial ground was bought from Lewis Robbins by Captain Samuel Covell, but the cemetery remained in the possession of the Robbins family. Burial ground came to be referred to as the Covell Hill burying ground because it was situated atop the hill surrounded by the land of Samuel Covell. . 3-Deed dated March 3, 1796, dismissed Zebulon Robbins of Upper Freehold Township. Monmouth County, and Nathan Robbins of Mansfield Township, Burlington County as trustees of Ye Olde Robbins Burial Place and granted the land to Davis Robbins, George Robbins, Antrim Robbins, Ephraim Robbins and Ezekiel Robbins of Allentown, Elijah Robbins and Isaac Robbins. . 4-September 16, 1847 George Robbins and Ephraim Robbins released deed to Elisha Robbins, Jacob F. Robbins, Timothy Robbins of Monmouth County and Nathan Robbins of Mercer County. . 5-Deed dated January 1, 1884, Nathan Robbins of Hamilton Township. Mercer County, being the only living trustee, forfeits his claim of the burying ground to Samuel M. Robbins of Hamilton Township and Barton B, Hutch inson of Trenton, Mercer County. . 6-Deed dated May 17, 1923, grantors of the burying ground were Aaron H. Robbins of Hamilton Township, and Barton B. Hutchinson of Trenton, Mercer County. Grantees were George B. Robbins and Charles Perry Hutchinson - the great-great grandson of Joseph Robbins. . The last funeral in the burying ground was that of Eliza Steward In 1914. . 1960's, the Green Acres program acquired the area around the cemetery for Assunpink Creek State Park. The acre of land containing the cemetery was turned over to the state Division of Fish, Game, and Wildlife for de velopment as a recreation area. West Brothers . 1938 Sunday Times-Advertiser -Trenton, NJ - West brothers' caretakers for cemetery . 1938 - Erected monument at roadside below burial ground. Erected by James West and C. Palmer West Green Acres 1. Present Day Efforts a. Assunipink Wildlife Management Area - called office at the site in search of deed and was directed to contact headquarters in Trenton. b. Deed search with NJ i. Contacted Monmouth County Historical Society ii. Discussed deed with Ed Raser, author c. Contact with Hutchinson Descendants i. Email with Richard Hutchinson ii. Letter and documentation to Carolyn Houck iii. Letter and documentation to Charles Percy Hutchinson d. Tax Map i. Researched NJ tax maps - current map shows 1 acre area - no reference to it in tax listings however. e. New Jersey Department of the Environment i. Contacted Renee Jones at DEP back in 2007. She was looking for the deed. No response back from her. ii. New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife iii. David Chanda, Director N.J. Division of Fish and Wildlife Mail Code 501-03 P.O. Box 420 Trenton, NJ 08625-0420