----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:567 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2013-02-03 19:24:13 Subject:Death of John German 1950-2013 Message: Robbins family member & friend John German passed away on January 24, 2013. If anyone wants to remember John, please go to http://www.tributes.com/condolences/view_memories/95158876 & leave a message for his family. John will be greatly missed by his family & all of us in the genealogical circles. John a certified genealogist was a long time family researcher & among the best to be found. One of his many achievements was winning an award given by the National Genealogical Society for his outstanding article "The German Family of Shelby, IN" published in the NGSQ in December 1999. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:568 Sender:tomRobbins@... Post Date/Time:2013-02-04 05:04:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death of John German 1950-2013 Message: Sara, Thank you for sharing this sad news. John was a key contributor to our community and will be missed. Tom Robbins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:24:13 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death of John German 1950-2013 Robbins family member & friend John German passed away on January 24, 2013. If anyone wants to remember John, please go to http://www.tributes.com/condolences/view_memories/95158876 & leave a message for his family. John will be greatly missed by his family & all of us in the genealogical circles. John a certified genealogist was a long time family researcher & among the best to be found. One of his many achievements was winning an award given by the National Genealogical Society for his outstanding article "The German Family of Shelby, IN" published in the NGSQ in December 1999. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:569 Sender:Jane Robin Cholerton Post Date/Time:2013-02-04 07:30:56 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death of John German 1950-2013 Message: Oh, Sara, this is sad news, indeed. I've appreciated his contributions to our group, here, and I really thought of him as a member of our extended family. Thank you for letting us know. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Sara [july37@...] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 7:24 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death of John German 1950-2013 Robbins family member & friend John German passed away on January 24, 2013. If anyone wants to remember John, please go to http://www.tributes.com/condolences/view_memories/95158876 & leave a message for his family. John will be greatly missed by his family & all of us in the genealogical circles. John a certified genealogist was a long time family researcher & among the best to be found. One of his many achievements was winning an award given by the National Genealogical Society for his outstanding article "The German Family of Shelby, IN" published in the NGSQ in December 1999. Sara ------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:570 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2013-02-04 08:07:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death of John German 1950-2013 Message: God bless his family and John will surely be missed by me as well. Thanks for letting us know Sara. -Tod On Sunday, February 3, 2013, Sara wrote: > ** > > > Robbins family member & friend John German passed away on January 24, > 2013. If anyone wants to remember John, please go to > http://www.tributes.com/condolences/view_memories/95158876 & leave a > message for his family. > > John will be greatly missed by his family & all of us in the genealogical > circles. John a certified genealogist was a long time family researcher & > among the best to be found. One of his many achievements was winning an > award given by the National Genealogical Society for his outstanding > article "The German Family of Shelby, IN" published in the NGSQ in December > 1999. > Sara > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:571 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2013-02-04 08:19:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death of John German 1950-2013 Message: Thanks for posting Sara. John was a big help to me in my Robbins research. Chris From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death of John German 1950-2013 Robbins family member & friend John German passed away on January 24, 2013. If anyone wants to remember John, please go to http://www.tributes.com/condolences/view_memories/95158876 & leave a message for his family. John will be greatly missed by his family & all of us in the genealogical circles. John a certified genealogist was a long time family researcher & among the best to be found. One of his many achievements was winning an award given by the National Genealogical Society for his outstanding article "The German Family of Shelby, IN" published in the NGSQ in December 1999. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:572 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2013-02-17 07:57:46 Subject:Re: Mapping Message: Hi Tod, Are you still working on a mapping? If so, I have a small tidbit for you... The Elizabeth Robins in this Sussex Co. marriage record: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VWRQ-8GK is daughter of Miller Robbins of Sussex. Miller applied for a Revolutionary War pension and Elizabeth Sites is mentioned in it as Miller's daughter. This family moved to Tompkins Co. NY by 1817 and to Lawrence Co. Ohio by 1841. (Again, those are details from his Rev. War pension application.) This Miller Robins is in the 1793 militia list of Oxford twp. Sussex Co. with Absolem Robins. A transcript of this list http://sussexcountyhistory.org/1793Oxfo.htm (A note about that too...the title on that web page says the list is a tax list, however, that is incorrect. I realized that there were no surviving tax lists from 1793 but rather militia lists. This makes a big differe nce when looking at these lists because not ALL men are on it. Only men who were of militia age 18-45 are on it. Below is the explanation I got from the Sussex Co. Historical Society about those 1793 lists: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: 1793 tax lists? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:49:19 -0400 From: sussexcountyhs@gmail.com To: tmarcelo@... HI Tracey, I am a volunteer with the Sussex County Historical Society. In answer to your question, about the 1793 "tax lists," you are right; they are transcriptions of the 1793 militia lists, by James S. Norton (Salt Lake City, 1 973). James Norton microfilmed records at the Genealogical Society of Salt Lake City "census of every free, white, able-bodied male between the ages of eighteen and forty-five in the State of New Jersey...excluding Revo lutionary War Veterans and others previously enrolled in the militia organizations." The book by James Norton is here in the SCHS collection. It tells what militia the individuals were in and what township they lived in. If you have names, someone could look up that information for you if you would like . I can't say why Nancy Pascal called them "tax lists," but apparently she is not the only one who refers to them as such! I hope this answers your question. Valerie Stern, CG Sussex, New Jersey) ---------------------- Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > Sara, > > You're right that it's a very extensive, and perhaps insane, attempt to map > so many people. The rough number of people with any event (birth, marriage, > death, residence) associated with New Jersey and the surname Robbins is > somewhere around 26,000+ on > FamilySearch. > The 497,000+ number seems to be for the entire database, as far as I can > tell. > > Tod > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:573 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2013-02-17 10:21:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Mapping Message: Fabulous! I'll get it added to the map right away. I'll share the map when I get back to my laptop. Cheers! On Sunday, February 17, 2013, marcelofamilytx wrote: > ** > > > Hi Tod, > Are you still working on a mapping? > If so, I have a small tidbit for you... > The Elizabeth Robins in this Sussex Co. marriage record: > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VWRQ-8GK > is daughter of Miller Robbins of Sussex. Miller applied for a > Revolutionary War pension and Elizabeth Sites is mentioned in it as > Miller's daughter. This family moved to Tompkins Co. NY by 1817 and to > Lawrence Co. Ohio by 1841. (Again, those are details from his Rev. War > pension application.) > This Miller Robins is in the 1793 militia list of Oxford twp. Sussex Co. > with Absolem Robins. > A transcript of this list http://sussexcountyhistory.org/1793Oxfo.htm > (A note about that too...the title on that web page says the list is a tax > list, however, that is incorrect. I realized that there were no surviving > tax lists from 1793 but rather militia lists. This makes a big difference > when looking at these lists because not ALL men are on it. Only men who > were of militia age 18-45 are on it. Below is the explanation I got from > the Sussex Co. Historical Society about those 1793 lists: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: > Re: 1793 tax lists? > Date: > Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:49:19 -0400 > From: > sussexcountyhs@... 'sussexcountyhs%40gmail.com');> > To: > tmarcelo@... 'tmarcelo%40austin.rr.com');> > HI Tracey, > I am a volunteer with the Sussex County Historical Society. In answer to > your question, about the 1793 "tax lists," you are right; they are > transcriptions of the 1793 militia lists, by James S. Norton (Salt Lake > City, 1973). James Norton microfilmed records at the Genealogical Society > of Salt Lake City "census of every free, white, able-bodied male between > the ages of eighteen and forty-five in the State of New Jersey...excluding > Revolutionary War Veterans and others previously enrolled in the militia > organizations." > The book by James Norton is here in the SCHS collection. It tells what > militia the individuals were in and what township they lived in. If you > have names, someone could look up that information for you if you would > like. > I can't say why Nancy Pascal called them "tax lists," but apparently she > is not the only one who refers to them as such! > I hope this answers your question. > Valerie Stern, CG > Sussex, New Jersey) > ---------------------- > > Tracey > -- Tod Robbins Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:574 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-02-18 06:36:31 Subject:Re: Mapping Message: So, those lists are actually militia lists? Priceless. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "marcelofamilytx" wrote: > > Hi Tod, > Are you still working on a mapping? > If so, I have a small tidbit for you... > The Elizabeth Robins in this Sussex Co. marriage record: > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VWRQ-8GK > is daughter of Miller Robbins of Sussex. Miller applied for a Revolutionary War pension and Elizabeth Sites is mentioned in it as Miller's daughter. This family moved to Tompkins Co. NY by 1817 and to Lawrence Co. Ohi o by 1841. (Again, those are details from his Rev. War pension application.) > This Miller Robins is in the 1793 militia list of Oxford twp. Sussex Co. with Absolem Robins. > A transcript of this list http://sussexcountyhistory.org/1793Oxfo.htm > (A note about that too...the title on that web page says the list is a tax list, however, that is incorrect. I realized that there were no surviving tax lists from 1793 but rather militia lists. This makes a big diffe rence when looking at these lists because not ALL men are on it. Only men who were of militia age 18-45 are on it. Below is the explanation I got from the Sussex Co. Historical Society about those 1793 lists: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: > Re: 1793 tax lists? > Date: > Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:49:19 -0400 > From: > sussexcountyhs@... > To: > tmarcelo@... > HI Tracey, > I am a volunteer with the Sussex County Historical Society. In answer to your question, about the 1793 "tax lists," you are right; they are transcriptions of the 1793 militia lists, by James S. Norton (Salt Lake City, 1973). James Norton microfilmed records at the Genealogical Society of Salt Lake City "census of every free, white, able-bodied male between the ages of eighteen and forty-five in the State of New Jersey...excluding Re volutionary War Veterans and others previously enrolled in the militia organizations." > The book by James Norton is here in the SCHS collection. It tells what militia the individuals were in and what township they lived in. If you have names, someone could look up that information for you if you would li ke. > I can't say why Nancy Pascal called them "tax lists," but apparently she is not the only one who refers to them as such! > I hope this answers your question. > Valerie Stern, CG > Sussex, New Jersey) > ---------------------- > > Tracey > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@" wrote: > > > > Sara, > > > > You're right that it's a very extensive, and perhaps insane, attempt to map > > so many people. The rough number of people with any event (birth, marriage, > > death, residence) associated with New Jersey and the surname Robbins is > > somewhere around 26,000+ on > > FamilySearch. > > The 497,000+ number seems to be for the entire database, as far as I can > > tell. > > > > Tod > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:575 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2013-03-13 17:47:14 Subject:Hot news Message: http://was-ist-franchising.info/lwip/ggtxcrgdszrrjaj?cafqffnhfrnj ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:576 Sender:"Jerry Scott" Post Date/Time:2013-03-20 03:48:26 Subject:Nancy Ann Robbins b/ abt 1746 married William Swaim , Rowan NC Message: New to the group today and read some of the messages about the Wales Robbins that had my 5th greatgrandmother Nancy Ann Robbins in their research as daughter of Matthew Robbins and Bethiah Nation, daughter of John Nati on which of cource can not be proven and probable just made up and I found this out after a few days of research and found no records are Sources for a Matthew Robbins. Jonathan Robbins and William Ledford were bondsman for the marriage of Nancy Ann Robbins, Jonathan Robbins, her brother or father no proven records. Jonathan and Mathias Robbins were bondsman of this marriage and on a few tax list. Rowan Co Marriages Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim. John Swaim.Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins John Swaim gave concent her brother 1769.Rachel is the sister to William Swaim that married Nancy ANN Robbins 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins There was a Matthew Robbins on 1759 Tax list with Josiah, 1 pole William 1 pole, Richard 4 pole, Wm 1 pole MattheW 1 pole, John 1 pole Jonathan on 1768 Tax list with Mark Lot 2 pole Jonathan seems to always be listed with the Teague, Ledford and Swaim. 1770 Jonathan Robbins appted Constable Rowan NC Jonathan and Mathias appears to me to be brothers and sister to Nancy but no records to prove. Any thoughts comments would be welcome Thanks, Jerry Scott ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:577 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2013-03-20 22:22:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Mapping Message: All, here is the link to the Google Map I've been assembling with Robbins records (which of course may or may not include our kin). Enjoy, and feel free to add to the map: https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=218213228884546154536.0004bdaa323ae5aaba59d&msa=0 -- Tod Robbins Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:578 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-03-27 10:39:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Nancy Ann Robbins b/ abt 1746 married William Swaim , Rowan NC Message: Jerry, Welcome to the group. Thank you for posting your research. This may be a re-hash of what you already know. However, I wanted to let you know I've gone over all my material that references the names you mention. Bethiah Nation is named in the will of her father John Nation as Be thiah Robins. It appears she did marry a Robins but the first name of her Robins husband is without documentation. The two sources I have for Mathias Robins as Bethiah Nation's husband & father of Nancy Ann Robins are u ndocumented & unreliable. They both trace back to one source that John German told me was fictional. My notes also show John questioned the Mathias Robins & Bethiah Nation relationship due to lack of proof. John was the most knowledgeable person on the Robins who migrated from NJ to VA, NC, TN & other southern states. We miss John's expertise & especially so when questions on this branch of Robins family arises. The answer may be out there some place waiting to be discovered. Best Wishes, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Scott To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:48 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Nancy Ann Robbins b/ abt 1746 married William Swaim , Rowan NC New to the group today and read some of the messages about the Wales Robbins that had my 5th greatgrandmother Nancy Ann Robbins in their research as daughter of Matthew Robbins and Bethiah Nation, daughter of John Nat ion which of cource can not be proven and probable just made up and I found this out after a few days of research and found no records are Sources for a Matthew Robbins. Jonathan Robbins and William Ledford were bondsman for the marriage of Nancy Ann Robbins, Jonathan Robbins, her brother or father no proven records. Jonathan and Mathias Robbins were bondsman of this marriage and on a few tax list. Rowan Co Marriages Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim. John Swaim.Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins John Swaim gave concent her brother 1769.Rachel is the sister to William Swaim that married Nancy ANN Robbins 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins There was a Matthew Robbins on 1759 Tax list with Josiah, 1 pole William 1 pole, Richard 4 pole, Wm 1 pole MattheW 1 pole, John 1 pole Jonathan on 1768 Tax list with Mark Lot 2 pole Jonathan seems to always be listed with the Teague, Ledford and Swaim. 1770 Jonathan Robbins appted Constable Rowan NC Jonathan and Mathias appears to me to be brothers and sister to Nancy but no records to prove. Any thoughts comments would be welcome Thanks, Jerry Scott ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:579 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2013-04-06 13:44:16 Subject:GREAT 2-part article about Robins Hill Message: Dale and Roy had me revisiting my Robbins notes--especially notes about Robins Hill and some of the Daniel Robins property in Hunterdon. While searching around I found this great 2-part article written by a local historian in the area. http://goodspeedhistories.com/hunterdon-county/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/ http://goodspeedhistories.com/hunterdon-county/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Enjoy! Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:580 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2013-04-06 14:29:56 Subject:It's actually 4 parts! Re: GREAT 2-part article about Robins Hill Message: Whoops!! I see now the article is up to FOUR parts! See: http://goodspeedhistories.com/tag/robins-family/ --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "marcelofamilytx" wrote: > > Dale and Roy had me revisiting my Robbins notes--especially notes about Robins Hill and some of the Daniel Robins property in Hunterdon. > While searching around I found this great 2-part article written by a local historian in the area. > > http://goodspeedhistories.com/hunterdon-county/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/ > > http://goodspeedhistories.com/hunterdon-county/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ > > Enjoy! > > Tracey > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:581 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-04-06 17:50:38 Subject:23andme DNA results. Message: I wish that there were more comparative data for the Robbins family, to determine whether the results I received today are relevant to the Robbins ancestry, or are introduced elsewhere. Outside of the usual Atlantic, European North and Baltic ancestry (at least for me, anyway) I find two genetic groupings that are kind of unexplainable. First, is the West Asian component, at a little over 6%. This coul d signal the possibility of the alleged Sarmatian ancestor being brought into Scotland from the Romans. Here's the mix: SOUTH_BALTIC 24.89% EAST_EURO 18.39% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 19.83% ATLANTIC 18.21% WEST_MED 9.86% EAST_MED 2.21% WEST_ASIAN 6.61% ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:582 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-04-06 18:00:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andme DNA results. Message: Armenia or Azerbijian ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013, 20:50:38 Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andme DNA results. I wish that there were more comparative data for the Robbins family, to determine whether the results I received today are relevant to the Robbins ancestry, or are introduced elsewhere. Outside of the usual Atlantic, European North and Baltic ancestry (at least for me, anyway) I find two genetic groupings that are kind of unexplainable. First, is the West Asian component, at a little over 6%. This coul d signal the possibility of the alleged Sarmatian ancestor being brought into Scotland from the Romans. Here's the mix: SOUTH_BALTIC 24.89% EAST_EURO 18.39% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 19.83% ATLANTIC 18.21% WEST_MED 9.86% EAST_MED 2.21% WEST_ASIAN 6.61% ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:583 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-04-06 18:04:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andme DNA results. Message: or, more likely, Turkey ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013, 20:50:38 Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andme DNA results. I wish that there were more comparative data for the Robbins family, to determine whether the results I received today are relevant to the Robbins ancestry, or are introduced elsewhere. Outside of the usual Atlantic, European North and Baltic ancestry (at least for me, anyway) I find two genetic groupings that are kind of unexplainable. First, is the West Asian component, at a little over 6%. This coul d signal the possibility of the alleged Sarmatian ancestor being brought into Scotland from the Romans. Here's the mix: SOUTH_BALTIC 24.89% EAST_EURO 18.39% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 19.83% ATLANTIC 18.21% WEST_MED 9.86% EAST_MED 2.21% WEST_ASIAN 6.61% ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:585 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-04-06 19:41:44 Subject:Re: 23andme DNA results. Message: There is another couple of test results that are saying there is a source from the Caucasus as well. Sarmatian or Alan tetritory. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Dale Robbins wrote: > > or, more likely, Turkey > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013, 20:50:38 > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andme DNA results. > > > > I wish that there were more comparative data for the Robbins family, to determine whether the results I received today are relevant to the Robbins ancestry, or are introduced elsewhere. > > Outside of the usual Atlantic, European North and Baltic ancestry (at least for me, anyway) I find two genetic groupings that are kind of unexplainable. First, is the West Asian component, at a little over 6%. This co uld signal the possibility of the alleged Sarmatian ancestor being brought into Scotland from the Romans. > > Here's the mix: > SOUTH_BALTIC 24.89% > EAST_EURO 18.39% > NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 19.83% > ATLANTIC 18.21% > WEST_MED 9.86% > EAST_MED 2.21% > WEST_ASIAN 6.61% > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:586 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2013-04-07 12:34:06 Subject:Re: GREAT 2-part article about Robins Hill Message: I do think Marfy's research and articles have merit. I particularly want to draw attention to the possibility that "Frances" the widow of Daniel Robins (tavern owner) was in fact Frances Atkinson. Thomas Atkinson, a wealthy merchant, was also a member of Kingwood Monthly Meeting. (See the meeting minutes at: http://books.google.com/books?id=6UQzJVDd1GwC&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=Minutes+of+the+Kingwood+Monthly+Meeting&so urce=bl&ots=xgaHiJV-kS&sig=V765Yk7zoBEwUbzFbqacwIOOF34&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qb1hUb_BK8TLrQH0xIGICA&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=atkinson&f=false) In the book, The Atkinson Family of New Jersey (at: http://archive.org/download/atkinsonsofnewje00atki/atkinsonsofnewje00atki.pdf) on pages 84 and 86, the family of Thomas is described and family bible records are tran scribed. One entry states that Thomas Atkinson and wife Hannah Doddridge were the parents of: Frances b. 16 March 1734. Thomas Atkinson was the bondsman for Frances, widow of Daniel Robins, when she became the administrix of her late husband's estate. (See "Calendar of New Jersey Wills Volume IV 1761-1770" by A Van Doren Honeyman in 1928: 1763, Feb. 21. Robins, Daniel, of Amwell, Hunterdon Co. Int. Adm'x-Frances Robins, widow. Fellowbondsman-Thomas Atkinson, merchant; both of said place. Witness-Samuel Hornor. 1763, Feb. 25. Inventory, [pounds]1,099.19.6, made by John Mulinner and John Emley. 1764, Sept. 14. Account by John Peirce and Frances, his wife, late Frances Robins. Lib. 11, p. 339.) I think it is also worth noting that only 3 Robins show up in Kingwood Monthly Meeting records: --Job Robins in 1752, a witness of the marriage of Benjamin Canby and Martha Whitson -- Daniel Robins in 1758, in a list of marriages but no bride is named. --Andrew Robins in 1768, in a list of marriages but no bride is named. We know from Job's will that he had two sons: Daniel and Andrew. (See From "Calendar of New Jersey Wills Volume III 1751-1760" by A Van Doren Honeyman in 1924) I find all of these records compelling enough to use them in a working theory that Frances Atkinson was the bride of Daniel Robins and became his widow in 1763. As to the parentage of this Daniel Robins...It makes more sense to me that a man born around 1736 would marry a woman born in 1734. For that reason, I'm inclined to see Marfy's theory as very possible. As to the points Sara raised: -- The size of Daniel Robins' estate. If Daniel's wife was the daughter of the wealthy merchant, Thomas Atkinson, I believe there is strong reason to think that a good deal of Daniel's wealth and business connections ca me from his father in law, possibly in the form of a dower. -- Birth date of Daniel Robins aka Pearce. I believe the last info I had from Angela about his birthdate was that the 1830 census in McMinn TN placed his age as in his 80s. It would be great to find a birth record that has a more definitive date. Working theories are what keeps the research moving forward! Let's keep our minds open to possibilities like this and then see if we can prove or disprove them. Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Tracey & group, > > The Goodspeed site has a lot of good information & I was impressed with the majority of histories there. The photos of the taverns & home of Daniel Robins Jr. with the stone inscription are really great & a plus is Ms . Goodspeed does try to provide a source for most of her work. > However, earlier this year, Ms. Goodspeed presented an elaborate theory that the owner of the Robins tavern was Daniel Robins son of Job Robins & grandson of Daniel Jr. When questioned about this new information Ms. G oodspeed told me in a private e-mail she was unable to prove her theory & had no documentation to show the Daniel Robins b. abt.1736 son of Job Robins was at any time owner of the Robins tavern. Soon after she modified her article & removed my two comments & the comment of another researcher who disagreed with her theory. I noted a couple of weeks ago she continues to state Daniel Robins b. abt. 1736 son of Job was the tavern owner. A lso Ms. Goodspeed's states in the same article regarding Daniel Robins, Jr that he left sons Nathaniel & Benjamin in Monmouth County when he migrated to Hunterdon Co. This is inaccurate. If Daniel Robins, Jr. had sons n amed Nathaniel & Benjamin there are no records to verify it. However, Daniel Robins, Jr. did have brothers Nathaniel & Benjamin. > > The following contains some of the recorded facts about Daniel Robins III & Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. > > 1. Daniel Robins son of Job Robins of Amwell in Hunterdon Co was born about or before 1736. According to Job Robins' will son Daniel was a minor in 1756. Job's will indicates his estate was worth 467 pounds. It was to be shared with Job's wife Abigail, his mother Mary, sons Daniel, Andrew & 5 daughters. > Daniel Robins the tavern owner who died in 1763 had an estate worth 1678 pounds. His estate papers show he had loaned money to some very prominent Phila merchants & had business dealings with established men of the ar ea. Daniel Robins left no will, wife Frances administered his estate. > If Daniel Robins b.1736 died in 1763, he was about 27 years of age at the time. It seems unlikely to me that a young man with a rather small inheritance could accumulate such a large estate between the age of 21& 27. It isn't entirely impossible but rather unusual. In review of all the NJ Robins/Robbins estate inventories taken between 1670-1817, there was only one larger than the 1678 pound estate of Daniel Robins of Amwell in 1763 . It belonged to Richard Robins son of Daniel & Hope who d. 1715 with an estate worth 1790. Richard Robins was a prominent, well established business man & a judge in Cumberland/Salem Co. The profile of Daniel Robins of Amwell who died in 1763 fits one of a man much older than 27. > > 2. A few months ago the descendants of John Pearce/Pierce shared information with me. The Pearce/Pierce Family DNA Project discovered some interesting results when the descendants of Daniel Pearce's son of John Pearc e were very surprised to learn they had no biologicial relationship to the other sons of John Pearce/Pierce. Their results matched the descendants of Daniel Robins 1627-1714. At first they had difficulty accepting they were not John Pearce's descendants so they recruited 10 men from their line to test in order to compare results & found they all matched the Robins DNA. New Jersey Archive records show Daniel Robins' widow Frances marri ed between 1673 & 1674 John Pearce. The Daniel Pearce family researchers have a document recording the birth of Daniel Pearce aka Robins as 1747 in NJ & d.1833 in TN. His age & birthplace also concurs with the 1830 cens us where he lived. Daniel Robins b.1736 was only 11 years old in 1747 so it's impossible he was the father of Daniel Pearce/Robins, the husband of Frances & Robins tavern owner in 1763. > > Past research done by the Robbins Family Yahoo Group indicated the Robins tavern owner was Daniel Robins III b.1692 in Woodbridge, NJ & d. 1763 at Amwell, Hunterdon Co. age 71. He was the only son of Daniel & Mary Pa rker Robins. Elizabeth the first wife of Daniel Robins III according to a deed was still living in 1748. She was probably the mother of Daniel Pearce/Robins & not Frances. The Charles Robbins Hutchinson manuscripts stat es Daniel Robins III had a son named Daniel. However no record was ever located for him. Most likely this was due to the fact that after the death of Daniel Robins III in 1763 Daniel IV moved with his step-mother France s Robins Pearce & her husband John Pearce south to VA & Daniel assumed the Pearce surname. I hope this summary although a bit lengthy offers some insight on Daniel Robins owner of the Robins Tavern in 1763 > Sara > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marcelofamilytx > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 1:44 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] GREAT 2-part article about Robins Hill > > > > Dale and Roy had me revisiting my Robbins notes--especially notes about Robins Hill and some of the Daniel Robins property in Hunterdon. > While searching around I found this great 2-part article written by a local historian in the area. > > http://goodspeedhistories.com/hunterdon-county/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/ > > http://goodspeedhistories.com/hunterdon-county/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ > > Enjoy! > > Tracey > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:589 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2013-04-12 12:41:36 Subject:John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... Message: Hi, Does anyone know who this "John Robins of Monmouth" is? 1756 Aug 14 Clarke, Benjamin Jr. of Middlesex Co. son of Benjamin, dec'd petitions that John Robins be appointed his guardian. Bond of John Robins of Monmouth co., blacksmith as such guardian George Eyre of Burlington City fellowbondsman. Mon. Wills 2131 M 1766, Oct. 1. Smith, Ezekiel, of Stony Brook, Middlesex Co. Int. Adm'rs � John Robins, of Monmouth Co., and John Hill, of Bucks Co., Pa. Fellowbondsman � Ezekiel Smith, of Hunterdon Co. 1766, Sept. 30. Inventory, �933.14.11, made by Edmund Bainbridge and Joseph Olden. Lib. 12, p. 456. Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:590 Sender:"marcelofamilytx" Post Date/Time:2013-04-13 06:02:17 Subject:Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... Message: I figured it out. John Robins of Monmouth in this time frame is the son of Benjamin Robins of Nottingham, Burlington Co. NJ (1686-1760). This John is described very well in: Genealogical and Personal Memorial of Mercer County, New Jersey - Volume 1 - Page 341 See: http://books.google.com/books?id=6tcMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA341&dq=Mercer+County+John+Robins,+blacksmith+Monmouth&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yVZpUbu-LsLy2QXfuoHwAQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Mercer%20County%20John%20Robins%2C%20blacksmith%2 0Monmouth&f=false Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "marcelofamilytx" wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know who this "John Robins of Monmouth" is? > > 1756 Aug 14 Clarke, Benjamin Jr. of Middlesex Co. son of Benjamin, dec'd petitions that John Robins be appointed his guardian. > Bond of John Robins of Monmouth co., blacksmith as such guardian > George Eyre of Burlington City fellowbondsman. > Mon. Wills 2131 M > > 1766, Oct. 1. Smith, Ezekiel, of Stony Brook, Middlesex Co. Int. > Adm'rs � John Robins, of Monmouth Co., and John Hill, of Bucks Co., > Pa. Fellowbondsman � Ezekiel Smith, of Hunterdon Co. > 1766, Sept. 30. Inventory, �933.14.11, made by Edmund Bainbridge > and Joseph Olden. Lib. 12, p. 456. > > Tracey > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:591 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-04-13 08:47:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... Message: This information on John Robins can also be found in the Charles Robbins Hutchinson Manuscripts. The majority of the Robins material in the Mercer County article is based on Mr. Hutchinson's work. John Taylor published it in his book "Richard Robins Loyalist" & it can be found in "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" Benjamin Robins was John Taylor's ancestor. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: marcelofamilytx To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:02 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... I figured it out. John Robins of Monmouth in this time frame is the son of Benjamin Robins of Nottingham, Burlington Co. NJ (1686-1760). This John is described very well in: Genealogical and Personal Memorial of Mercer County, New Jersey - Volume 1 - Page 341 See: http://books.google.com/books?id=6tcMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA341&dq=Mercer+County+John+Robins,+blacksmith+Monmouth&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yVZpUbu-LsLy2QXfuoHwAQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Mercer%20County%20John%20Robins%2C%20blacksmith %20Monmouth&f=false Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "marcelofamilytx" wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know who this "John Robins of Monmouth" is? > > 1756 Aug 14 Clarke, Benjamin Jr. of Middlesex Co. son of Benjamin, dec'd petitions that John Robins be appointed his guardian. > Bond of John Robins of Monmouth co., blacksmith as such guardian > George Eyre of Burlington City fellowbondsman. > Mon. Wills 2131 M > > 1766, Oct. 1. Smith, Ezekiel, of Stony Brook, Middlesex Co. Int. > Adm'rs - John Robins, of Monmouth Co., and John Hill, of Bucks Co., > Pa. Fellowbondsman - Ezekiel Smith, of Hunterdon Co. > 1766, Sept. 30. Inventory, �933.14.11, made by Edmund Bainbridge > and Joseph Olden. Lib. 12, p. 456. > > Tracey > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:592 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-04-13 14:16:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... Message: Thought I'd mention the material found on the Robbins family in "Genealogical & Personal Memorial of Mercer Co., New Jersey" was gone over throughly by Robbins researchers quite a few years ago. What is found there for John Robins son of Benjamin Robins is correct. However, please don't take everything printed in this article as being completely accurate. There are numerous errors. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... This information on John Robins can also be found in the Charles Robbins Hutchinson Manuscripts. The majority of the Robins material in the Mercer County article is based on Mr. Hutchinson's work. John Taylor publishe d it in his book "Richard Robins Loyalist" & it can be found in "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" Benjamin Robins was John Taylor's ancestor. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: marcelofamilytx To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:02 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... I figured it out. John Robins of Monmouth in this time frame is the son of Benjamin Robins of Nottingham, Burlington Co. NJ (1686-1760). This John is described very well in: Genealogical and Personal Memorial of Mercer County, New Jersey - Volume 1 - Page 341 See: http://books.google.com/books?id=6tcMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA341&dq=Mercer+County+John+Robins,+blacksmith+Monmouth&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yVZpUbu-LsLy2QXfuoHwAQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Mercer%20County%20John%20Robins%2C%20blacksmi th%20Monmouth&f=false Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "marcelofamilytx" wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know who this "John Robins of Monmouth" is? > > 1756 Aug 14 Clarke, Benjamin Jr. of Middlesex Co. son of Benjamin, dec'd petitions that John Robins be appointed his guardian. > Bond of John Robins of Monmouth co., blacksmith as such guardian > George Eyre of Burlington City fellowbondsman. > Mon. Wills 2131 M > > 1766, Oct. 1. Smith, Ezekiel, of Stony Brook, Middlesex Co. Int. > Adm'rs - John Robins, of Monmouth Co., and John Hill, of Bucks Co., > Pa. Fellowbondsman - Ezekiel Smith, of Hunterdon Co. > 1766, Sept. 30. Inventory, �933.14.11, made by Edmund Bainbridge > and Joseph Olden. Lib. 12, p. 456. > > Tracey > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:593 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2013-04-13 14:34:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... Message: Right! Always a good reminder. Thanks. Tracey On 4/13/2013 4:16 PM, Sara Hoffman wrote:  Thought I'd mention the material found on the Robbins family in "Genealogical & Personal Memorial of Mercer Co., New Jersey" was gone over throughly by Robbins researchers quite a few years ago. What is found there for John Robins son of Benjamin Robins is correct. However, please don't take everything printed in this article as being completely accurate. There are numerous errors.                                                                              Sara  ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s...  This information on John Robins can also be found in the Charles Robbins Hutchinson Manuscripts. The majority of the Robins material in the Mercer County article is based on Mr. Hutchinson's work. John Taylor published it in his book "Richard Robins Loyalist" & it can be found in "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" Benjamin Robins was John Taylor's ancestor.                                                                                               Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: marcelofamilytx To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:02 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s...  I figured it out. John Robins of Monmouth in this time frame is the son of Benjamin Robins of Nottingham, Burlington Co. NJ (1686-1760). This John is described very well in: Genealogical and Personal Memorial of Mercer County, New Jersey - Volume 1 - Page 341 See: http://books.google.com/books?id=6tcMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA341&dq=Mercer+County+John+Robins,+blacksmith+Monmouth&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yVZpUbu-LsLy2QXfuoHwAQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Mercer%20County%20John%20Robins%2C%20bla cksmith%20Monmouth&f=false Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "marcelofamilytx" wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know who this "John Robins of Monmouth" is? > > 1756 Aug 14 Clarke, Benjamin Jr. of Middlesex Co. son of Benjamin, dec'd petitions that John Robins be appointed his guardian. > Bond of John Robins of Monmouth co., blacksmith as such guardian > George Eyre of Burlington City fellowbondsman. > Mon. Wills 2131 M > > 1766, Oct. 1. Smith, Ezekiel, of Stony Brook, Middlesex Co. Int. > Adm'rs â John Robins, of Monmouth Co., and John Hill, of Bucks Co., > Pa. Fellowbondsman â Ezekiel Smith, of Hunterdon Co. > 1766, Sept. 30. Inventory, £933.14.11, made by Edmund Bainbridge > and Joseph Olden. Lib. 12, p. 456. > > Tracey > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:594 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-04-13 15:26:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... Message: You are welcome. Any questions on the accuracy of the material in this article I'd be happy to address. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracey Marcelo To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... Right! Always a good reminder. Thanks. Tracey On 4/13/2013 4:16 PM, Sara Hoffman wrote: Thought I'd mention the material found on the Robbins family in "Genealogical & Personal Memorial of Mercer Co., New Jersey" was gone over throughly by Robbins researchers quite a few years ago. What is found there for John Robins son of Benjamin Robins is correct. However, please don't take everything printed in this article as being completely accurate. There are numerous errors. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... This information on John Robins can also be found in the Charles Robbins Hutchinson Manuscripts. The majority of the Robins material in the Mercer County article is based on Mr. Hutchinson's work. John Taylor publ ished it in his book "Richard Robins Loyalist" & it can be found in "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" Benjamin Robins was John Taylor's ancestor. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: marcelofamilytx To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:02 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: John Robins of Monmouth 1750s-1760s... I figured it out. John Robins of Monmouth in this time frame is the son of Benjamin Robins of Nottingham, Burlington Co. NJ (1686-1760). This John is described very well in: Genealogical and Personal Memorial of Mercer County, New Jersey - Volume 1 - Page 341 See: http://books.google.com/books?id=6tcMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA341&dq=Mercer+County+John+Robins,+blacksmith+Monmouth&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yVZpUbu-LsLy2QXfuoHwAQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Mercer%20County%20John%20Robins%2C%20blac ksmith%20Monmouth&f=false Tracey --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "marcelofamilytx" wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know who this "John Robins of Monmouth" is? > > 1756 Aug 14 Clarke, Benjamin Jr. of Middlesex Co. son of Benjamin, dec'd petitions that John Robins be appointed his guardian. > Bond of John Robins of Monmouth co., blacksmith as such guardian > George Eyre of Burlington City fellowbondsman. > Mon. Wills 2131 M > > 1766, Oct. 1. Smith, Ezekiel, of Stony Brook, Middlesex Co. Int. > Adm'rs - John Robins, of Monmouth Co., and John Hill, of Bucks Co., > Pa. Fellowbondsman - Ezekiel Smith, of Hunterdon Co. > 1766, Sept. 30. Inventory, £933.14.11, made by Edmund Bainbridge > and Joseph Olden. Lib. 12, p. 456. > > Tracey > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:595 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-04-21 18:40:26 Subject:Re: 23andme DNA results. Message: Browsing through the FTDNA resuls, I noted that the Y-dna was a R1b1a2a. With the results I got from 23 and Me, I have the L23 variant for the R1b1a2a, which probably is indicative of an ht35 Armenian Modal Haplotype. The members of this haplotype are found in high numbers in Anatolia and Armenia, with smaller numbers throughout Central Asia, the Middle East, the Balkans, the Caucus Mountains, and in Jewish populations. They are also present in Britain in areas that were found to have a high concentration of Haplogroup J, suggesting they arrived together, perhaps through Roman soldiers. Thoughts? I'd go with the Caucus mountain areas or Persia. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Dale Robbins wrote: > > or, more likely, Turkey > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013, 20:50:38 > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andme DNA results. > > >  > I wish that there were more comparative data for the Robbins family, to determine whether the results I received today are relevant to the Robbins ancestry, or are introduced elsewhere. > > Outside of the usual Atlantic, European North and Baltic ancestry (at least for me, anyway) I find two genetic groupings that are kind of unexplainable. First, is the West Asian component, at a little over 6%. This co uld signal the possibility of the alleged Sarmatian ancestor being brought into Scotland from the Romans. > > Here's the mix: > SOUTH_BALTIC 24.89% > EAST_EURO 18.39% > NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 19.83% > ATLANTIC 18.21% > WEST_MED 9.86% > EAST_MED 2.21% > WEST_ASIAN 6.61% > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:596 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-04-21 19:02:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: From: mailto:noreply@... Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:17 PM To: ladyfan3@... Subject: DNA DAY PROMOTION 2013 DNA DAY SALE REDUCED PRICING BELOW FAMILYTREEDNA HISTORY UNEARTHED DAILY â¢â¢â¢â¢â¢â¢â¢â¢ SPECIAL DNA DAY REDUCED PRICING â¢â¢â¢â¢â¢â¢â¢â¢ Dear Group Administrators We are pleased to announce our 2013 DNA DAY Promotion. While the special pricing features all the major tests, weâre placing particular emphasis on the Full Mitochondrial Sequence and Family Finder. 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Unsubscribe | Privacy Policy | About Us Click the unsubscribe link above to be removed from our email program. © All Contents Copyright 2001-2013 Gene by Gene, Ltd. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:597 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-04-25 20:00:07 Subject:Robbins haplotype R1b1a2a Message: Ok, here I go again with the DNA speculation... LOL But anyway, the test I took uncovered the specific mutations needed to reach the R1b1a2a mutation shown in the Robbins Y-DNA test. M269 first, then either L23 or L49.1 are the mutations shown for the tested haplogroup s hown on this page: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/robins/default.aspx?section=yresults Researching this haplogroup has led to this article at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~villandra/McKinstry/I2b1/Haplogroup%20R1/R1b_Proceedings_4_6_2011.pdf Keeping in mind that the naming of this sublcade flipped from having a "b" on the middle to an "a", the haplogroup mentioned in this article is really the R1b1a2a. Article starts below: After haplogroup R1 arose about 23,000 years ago, and its downstream R1b arose in Central Asia 16,000 ago, the latter had migrated across North Kazakhstan (including the later Botai archaelogical culture, 6500-5500 ybp) , through the territory of the present-day Bashkirs (13-11-8 thousand ybp), established Seroglazovo archaeological culture (13-11 thousand ybp) and then Middle Volga Basin archaelogical cultures (Srednevolga culture 8-7 thousand ybp; Samara culture 7 thousand ybp; Srednestog culture 7500-5500 ybp; Khvalyn culture 7-6 thousand ybp, Kama culture 7-5 thousand ybp), that is the cultures which then were (tentatively) named "Pre-Kurgan cultures"; R1b1a2-M269 subclade arose around 7,000 ybp, and then R1b1a2-L23, around 6,500 ybp. Both of t hem came to the Caucasus region around 6,500-6,000 yps, and possibly earlier. Those R1b1b2 spoke non-IndoEuropean language(s), which can be vaguely traced now under various names. Some call them Proto-Turkic language, s ome Sino-Caucasian language, some call them the Erbin language (because of R1b haplogroup of theirbearers), some call them Western Caucasian or North-Western Caucasian languages, some call them the Basque language, and find some similaritise between the Caucasian and Basque languages, etc. In fact, those similarities do exist, albeit in a rather weak form because thousands of years passed since then. Still now most of R1b1a2 haplotypeso n the Caucasus (in Armenia, Dagestan, Georgia) belong to the ancient L23 subclade (with a common ancestor of around 6,000 ybp), and have a characteristic DYS393=12 allele, unlike DYS393=13 in most of European R1b1b2 haplotypes. From the Caucasus, R1b1a2-L23 and R1b1a2-M269 bearers went South over the mountains, to Anatolia (a common ancestor of 6,000 ybp), and then split into three major routes. One went further South, toT igris and Eughrates Rivers, and became the Sumers. Many present-day Assyrians, descendants of ancient Sumers, still have their R1b1a2 haplotypes. Another went westward, across Asia Minor, and came to Europe, to the Balkans and Mediterranea n Sea region around 4500 ybp. The third group went across Northern Africa and Egypt (and, incidentally, might kave left some R1b1b2 Pharaohs there) to the Atlantic and went across Gibraltar to the Iberian Peninsula arou nd 4800 ybp. They became the Bell Beakers, and moved up North into the continental Europe. The Bell Beaker culture in Europe had lasted between about 4400 and 3800 ybp. The South-Eastern part of Europe, including the Balkans, was a principal destination of yet another migration wave of R1b1a2, but largely of L23 subclade,with a particular feature of DYS393=12. This allele is typical f or the Russians,R1b1a2 inhabitants of the Caucasus (Armenians, Dagestanis and others), Anatolia, Middle East, Asia Minor. This is apparently an immediate source of the L23 subclade in Europe. There is almost none of tha t subclade in Iberia, it apparently did not survive the migration route from Middle East across North Africa into Pyrenees (see above). Indeed, the map above does not show Bell Beaker sites in South-East Europe and Asia Minor, and East of Germa ny (except in Nothern Poland in later times). Some traces of Bell Beakers on the Blakans are attributed to Bronze Age, significantly later times. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:598 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-04-26 03:51:18 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins haplotype R1b1a2a Message: Thanks Rick. ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2013, 23:00:07 Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins haplotype R1b1a2a  Ok, here I go again with the DNA speculation... LOL But anyway, the test I took uncovered the specific mutations needed to reach the R1b1a2a mutation shown in the Robbins Y-DNA test. M269 first, then either L23 or L49.1 are the mutations shown for the tested haplogroup s hown on this page: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/robins/default.aspx?section=yresults Researching this haplogroup has led to this article at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~villandra/McKinstry/I2b1/Haplogroup%20R1/R1b_Proceedings_4_6_2011.pdf Keeping in mind that the naming of this sublcade flipped from having a "b" on the middle to an "a", the haplogroup mentioned in this article is really the R1b1a2a. Article starts below: After haplogroup R1 arose about 23,000 years ago, and its downstream R1b arose in Central Asia 16,000 ago, the latter had migrated across North Kazakhstan (including the later Botai archaelogical culture, 6500-5500 ybp) , through the territory of the present-day Bashkirs (13-11-8 thousand ybp), established Seroglazovo archaeological culture (13-11 thousand ybp) and then Middle Volga Basin archaelogical cultures (Srednevolga culture 8-7 thousand ybp; Samara culture 7 thousand ybp; Srednestog culture 7500-5500 ybp; Khvalyn culture 7-6 thousand ybp, Kama culture 7-5 thousand ybp), that is the cultures which then were (tentatively) named "Pre-Kurgan cultures"; R1b1a2-M269 subclade arose around 7,000 ybp, and then R1b1a2-L23, around 6,500 ybp. Both of t hem came to the Caucasus region around 6,500-6,000 yps, and possibly earlier. Those R1b1b2 spoke non-IndoEuropean language(s), which can be vaguely traced now under various names. Some call them Proto-Turkic language, s ome Sino-Caucasian language, some call them the Erbin language (because of R1b haplogroup of theirbearers), some call them Western Caucasian or North-Western Caucasian languages, some call them the Basque language, and find some similaritise between the Caucasian and Basque languages, etc. In fact, those similarities do exist, albeit in a rather weak form because thousands of years passed since then. Still now most of R1b1a2 haplotypeso n the Caucasus (in Armenia, Dagestan, Georgia) belong to the ancient L23 subclade (with a common ancestor of around 6,000 ybp), and have a characteristic DYS393=12 allele, unlike DYS393=13 in most of European R1b1b2 haplotypes. From the Caucasus, R1b1a2-L23 and R1b1a2-M269 bearers went South over the mountains, to Anatolia (a common ancestor of 6,000 ybp), and then split into three major routes. One went further South, toT igris and Eughrates Rivers, and became the Sumers. Many present-day Assyrians, descendants of ancient Sumers, still have their R1b1a2 haplotypes. Another went westward, across Asia Minor, and came to Europe, to the Balkans and Mediterranea n Sea region around 4500 ybp. The third group went across Northern Africa and Egypt (and, incidentally, might kave left some R1b1b2 Pharaohs there) to the Atlantic and went across Gibraltar to the Iberian Peninsula arou nd 4800 ybp. They became the Bell Beakers, and moved up North into the continental Europe. The Bell Beaker culture in Europe had lasted between about 4400 and 3800 ybp. The South-Eastern part of Europe, including the Balkans, was a principal destination of yet another migration wave of R1b1a2, but largely of L23 subclade,with a particular feature of DYS393=12. This allele is typical fo r the Russians,R1b1a2 inhabitants of the Caucasus (Armenians, Dagestanis and others), Anatolia, Middle East, Asia Minor. This is apparently an immediate source of the L23 subclade in Europe. There is almost none of that subclade in Iberia, it apparently did not survive the migration route from Middle East across North Africa into Pyrenees (see above). Indeed, the map above does not show Bell Beaker sites in South-East Europe and Asia Minor, and East of Germa ny (except in Nothern Poland in later times). Some traces of Bell Beakers on the Blakans are attributed to Bronze Age, significantly later times. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:599 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-05-28 19:10:04 Subject:Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! Richard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:600 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2013-05-28 19:24:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > ** > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to > this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the > list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > Richard > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:601 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2013-05-28 20:15:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Howdy, I am not directly related. However, I am putting together one of the relatives bio. John Liver Eating Johnston, son of Isaac Garrison and grandson of matriarch Dinah Robbins. I will post when I finish. I am thankful by all the help and the diligence of those that are following the Daniel Robin Robbins clan. Dorman Nelson Biographer www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 28, 2013 7:10:39 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! Richard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:602 Sender:"wunderwoman@..." Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 00:33:54 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Yep, I'm still here, but in my 80s now. Bettylou Steadman ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 5/28/2013 7:10:06 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! Richard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:603 Sender:"Roy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 04:25:28 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenât taken the time to utilize the robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My excuse is that I have been very active in researching my ancestry and I will be activ e at this site in the future. From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd.d.robbins@... Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! Richard -- Tod Robbins Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:604 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 05:06:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: I too am above sod, last Fall I returned to school. I am tracing back from my father in Fayette Co. PA. A couple of years ago I visited the gene. library in Waynesburg PA and they were quite helpful and organized. That lead me to the Pa state archive to look a land patent started by Daniel Robins and completed by Wm. Robi ns. I can't prove a connection, that has been an exciting lead. Mary in Maryland Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:605 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 05:17:47 Subject:Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Looking forward to any new info~! --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: > > I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. > > I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to > > this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the > > list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:606 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 05:22:08 Subject:Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Mary, has your family tested Y-DNA for the match to conclusively prove a connection to Daniel? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Mary Robbins wrote: > > I too am above sod, last Fall I returned to school. > I am tracing back from my father in Fayette Co. PA. > A couple of years ago I visited the gene. library in Waynesburg PA and they were quite helpful and organized. That lead me to the Pa state archive to look a land patent started by Daniel Robins and completed by Wm. Ro bins. I can't prove a connection, that has been an exciting lead. > Mary in Maryland > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:607 Sender:Mary Starkey Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 05:23:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Still alive, just still trying to figure out the North Carolina Richard Robbins' connection to New Jersey Robbins. Mary Robbins Starkey On May 28, 2013, at 10:10 PM, "Rick" wrote: > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > Richard > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:608 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 05:25:01 Subject:Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Thanks for the reply, Roy. Hope that you have success tracing your family history through the years. Where is your Robbins family from, and have you tested Y-DNA through FTDNA? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenât taken the time to utilize the robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My excuse is that I have been very active in researching my ancestry and I will be act ive at this site in the future. > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd.d.robbins@... > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > > > > > > I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. > > > > I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > Richard > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:609 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 09:03:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Rick thank you for giving this site some CPR. It was really great to see all the responses. I'm busy with Robins, Robbins family research every day. In addition I've just completed two books that are ready for print. "Civil War Biographies Company K 12th New Jersey Regiment Infantry Volunteers" & Civil War Biographies 24th New Jersey Regiment Infantry Volunteers." Starting research on a new Robbins project after summer vacation. Wishing everybody a happy & safe summer. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:25 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Thanks for the reply, Roy. Hope that you have success tracing your family history through the years. Where is your Robbins family from, and have you tested Y-DNA through FTDNA? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenâ?Tt taken the time to utilize the robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My excuse is that I have been very active in researching my ancestry and I will be ac tive at this site in the future. > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd.d.robbins@... > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > > > > > > I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. > > > > I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > Richard > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:610 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 09:17:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Sara, sounds VERY interesting.....wondering how many relatives were in those units.....Johnston was with the 2nd Colorado and his brother John Garrison was with the New York Sharpshooters. Everyone's busy....bet we see what the results are at the end of the year!!!! Dorman ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 9:03:55 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Rick thank you for giving this site some CPR. It was really great to see all the responses. I'm busy with Robins, Robbins family research every day. In addition I've just completed two books that are ready for print. "Civil War Biographies Company K 12th New Jersey Regiment Infantry Volunteers" & Civil War Biographies 24th New Jersey Regiment Infantry Volunteers." Starting research on a new Robbins project after summer vacation. Wishing everybody a happy & safe summer. Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: Rick >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:25 AM >Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) > > >Thanks for the reply, Roy. Hope that you have success tracing your family >history through the years. Where is your Robbins family from, and have you >tested Y-DNA through FTDNA? > > >--- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" >wrote: >> >> I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenââ¬â¢t taken the time to utilize the >>robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My excuse is that I >>have been very active in researching my ancestry and I will be active at this >>site in the future. >> >> >> >> From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>[mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd.d.robbins@... >> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. >> >> >> >> I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: >> >> >> >> I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. >> >> If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this >>message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so >>we can include you in the genealogy. >> >> Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! >> >> Richard >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tod Robbins >> >> Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS >> >> todrobbins.com | >> @todrobbins >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:611 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 09:48:39 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Rick, yes, our Robbins matches to Daniel & Hope. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:612 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 10:11:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: There were 30 Robbins & 2 Robins from NJ who served in the Civil War. I believe they were all Daniel Robins descendants. One exception is 2nd Lt. Augustus J. Robbins who was awarded the Medal of Honor. He was born in Ve rmont, served with the 2nd VT Infantry, his only connection to NJ is the fact he resided in Ocean Co after the Civil War, married a NJ woman & is buried in Ocean Co. There were Robbins & Robins who were Daniel Robins de scendants that served with the Confederate Army. I haven't compiled a list for all of them. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorman Nelson To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Sara, sounds VERY interesting.....wondering how many relatives were in those units.....Johnston was with the 2nd Colorado and his brother John Garrison was with the New York Sharpshooters. Everyone's busy....bet we see what the results are at the end of the year!!!! Dorman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 9:03:55 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Rick thank you for giving this site some CPR. It was really great to see all the responses. I'm busy with Robins, Robbins family research every day. In addition I've just completed two books that are ready for print. "Civil War Biographies Company K 12th New Jersey Regiment Infantry Volunteers" & Civil War Biographies 24th New Jersey Regiment Infantry Volunteers." Starting research on a new Robbins project after summer vacation. Wishing everybody a happy & safe summer. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:25 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Thanks for the reply, Roy. Hope that you have success tracing your family history through the years. Where is your Robbins family from, and have you tested Y-DNA through FTDNA? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenââ¬â¢t taken the time to utilize the robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My excuse is that I have been very active in researching my ancestry and I will be active at this site in the future. > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd.d.robbins@... > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > > > > > > I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. > > > > I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > Richard > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:613 Sender:"Roy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 11:54:52 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: I am descended from Daniel Robertson/Robinson/Robins. I had my DNA test done at Ancestry.com and then had the results transferred to FTDNA. I have attached the results. At this time I believe that is certain that m y line comes through Daniel Robins' oldest son, Daniel who was born in New Haven, Connecticut. My cousin, Dale Robbins, and I are presently working our way through a two (possibly three) generation gap which we now sus pect, and hope, will be filled with Elisha and Joshua Robins from the New Town (Newton) area of New Jersey. We have received a great deal of assistance from Sara Hoffman and Tracey Marcelo in our efforts. I will be tr aveling to New Jersey in about a week and expect to spend three or four days doing research and photographing gravesites. -----Original Message----- From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:25 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Thanks for the reply, Roy. Hope that you have success tracing your family history through the years. Where is your Robbins family from, and have you tested Y-DNA through FTDNA? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenââ¬â¢t taken the time to utilize the robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My excuse is that I have been very active in researching my ancestry and I will be active at this site in the future. > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@...m [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd.d.robbins@... > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > > > > > > I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. > > > > I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > Richard > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:614 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 12:03:18 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: I too am still here, having trouble getting over the death of our oldest daughter of heart failure. Glad to see everyone's notes. Shirley Robbins Hawley ________________________________ From: Mary Robbins To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" ; "rer.480@..." Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :)  I too am above sod, last Fall I returned to school. I am tracing back from my father in Fayette Co. PA. A couple of years ago I visited the gene. library in Waynesburg PA and they were quite helpful and organized. That lead me to the Pa state archive to look a land patent started by Daniel Robins and completed by Wm. Robi ns. I can't prove a connection, that has been an exciting lead. Mary in Maryland Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ________________________________ From: Rick ; To: ; Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 2:10:04 AM  I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! Richard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:615 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 12:07:02 Subject:Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: This message is coming to you from the other side. Just kidding (I think). I'm still above ground. My knowledge and main interest lies with the ROBBINS/ROBINS from Hunterdon County, NJ. However, I am interested in all ROBBINS/ROBINS everywhere. > 1a. Silence is NOT golden. :) > Posted by: "Rick" rer.480@... rer480 > Date: Tue May 28, 2013 7:10 pm ((PDT)) > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > Richard -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:616 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 12:31:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Shirley, My deepest sympathy on the loss of your daughter. Words can't fill the emptiness left in our hearts on the death of a loved one, especially a child no matter what their age. May God grant you peace. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Hawley To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com ; rer.480@... Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) I too am still here, having trouble getting over the death of our oldest daughter of heart failure. Glad to see everyone's notes. Shirley Robbins Hawley From: Mary Robbins To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" ; "rer.480@gmail.com" Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) I too am above sod, last Fall I returned to school. I am tracing back from my father in Fayette Co. PA. A couple of years ago I visited the gene. library in Waynesburg PA and they were quite helpful and organized. That lead me to the Pa state archive to look a land patent started by Daniel Robins and completed by Wm. Robins. I can't prove a connection, that has been an exciting lead. Mary in Maryland Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Rick ; To: ; Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 2:10:04 AM I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! Richard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:618 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2013-05-29 18:11:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Thank you Sara, your words are appreciated. It is so final. ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :)   Shirley,  My deepest sympathy on the loss of your daughter. Words can't fill the emptiness left in our hearts on the death of a loved one, especially a child no matter what their age. May God grant you peace.                                                                              Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: Shirley Hawley >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com ; rer.480@gmail.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:03 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > >I too am still here, having trouble getting over the death of our oldest daughter of heart failure. Glad to see everyone's notes. Shirley Robbins Hawley > > > >________________________________ >From: Mary Robbins >To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" ; "rer.480@..." >Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:06 AM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > >I too am above sod, last Fall I returned to school. I am tracing back from my father in Fayette Co. PA.A couple of years ago I visited the gene. library in Waynesburg PA and they were quite helpful and organized. Th at lead me to the Pa state archive to look a land patent started by Daniel Robins and completed by Wm. Robins. I can't prove a connection, that has been an exciting lead.Mary in Maryland >Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > >________________________________ >From: Rick ; To: ; Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 2:10:04 AM > >I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy.Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting!Richard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:619 Sender:Robin C Post Date/Time:2013-05-30 05:35:01 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: I, too, still have my feet on the surface of this planet, and have been busy. Although my work in the archaeology of recent family history contineus, there really hasn't been anything to report here. Shirley, I echo Sara's expression of sympathy for the death of your daughter, and her wishes for peace for you. The death of one's child seems to be a special kind of grief. Robyn (Jane Robbins Cholerton) jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Rick [rer.480@...] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! Richard ------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:620 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-05-30 06:04:38 Subject:Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Sorry to hear of your loss, Shirley. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Shirley Hawley wrote: > > I too am still here, having trouble getting over the death of our oldest daughter of heart failure. Glad to see everyone's notes. Shirley Robbins Hawley > > > ________________________________ > From: Mary Robbins > To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" ; "rer.480@..." > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > >  > > I too am above sod, last Fall I returned to school. > I am tracing back from my father in Fayette Co. PA. > A couple of years ago I visited the gene. library in Waynesburg PA and they were quite helpful and organized. That lead me to the Pa state archive to look a land patent started by Daniel Robins and completed by Wm. Ro bins. I can't prove a connection, that has been an exciting lead. > Mary in Maryland > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > > ________________________________ > From: Rick ; To: ; Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 2:10:04 AM >  > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > Richard > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:621 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2013-05-30 08:00:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Thank you, your kindness is appreciated, Shirley ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:04 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :)  Sorry to hear of your loss, Shirley. --- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, Shirley Hawley wrote: > > I too am still here, having trouble getting over the death of our oldest daughter of heart failure.àGlad to see everyone's notes.àShirley Robbins Hawley > > > ________________________________ > From: Mary Robbins > To: "mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com" ; "rer.480@..." > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > à> > I too am above sod, last Fall I returned to school. > I am tracing back from my father in Fayette Co. PA. > A couple of years ago I visited the gene. library in Waynesburg PA and they were quite helpful and organized. That lead me to the Pa state archive to look a land patent started by Daniel Robins and completed by Wm. Ro bins. I can't prove a connection, that has been an exciting lead. > Mary in Maryland > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > > ________________________________ > From: Rick ; To: ; Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 2:10:04 AM > à> I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > Richard > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:622 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2013-05-30 17:49:09 Subject:SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Message: I don't know if this helps or not but I have Elizabeth VICKREY (11 May 1750 Frederick Co, VA - 3 Sep 1833 Randolph (was Rowan) Co, NC) married John SWAIM 19 May 1767 Rowan Co, NC. John SWAIM (26 Apr 1748 Frederick Co, VA - 16 Jan 1827 Randolph Co, NC) son of Michael SWAIM & Martha WORTHINGTON. John & Elizabeth had children: Massah, William G, Joshua, Christopher Columbus, John, Elizabeth, Ashley, Marmaduke, Charity, Moses & Michael.C Elizabeth VICKREY daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. Elizabeth NATION (c1720 Monmouth Co, NJ - c1788 Randolph Co, NC) married 1st Peter SWAIM (b c1710) in Frederick Co, VA & 2nd Marmaduke VICKREY in Frederick Co, VA. Marmaduke VICKREY son of Hezekiah VICKREY & Mercy HOLLAND. All of the above info came from Wyndham Clampett . Sara Hoffman can speak better to the following: Elizabeth NATION daughter of John NATION & Bathiah ROBINS (c1702 - c1777). Bathiah ROBINS daughter of Joseph ROBINS & Hanna PACK. > Posted by: "JERRY SCOTT" jerryscott572@sbcglobal.net jerryscott572@... > Date: Wed May 29, 2013 2:08 pm ((PDT)) > > I would be very happy if anyone has any new research on my 4th great grandmother Nancy Ann Robbins married William Swaim 27 April 1765 Rowan Co. NC Jonathan Robbins, bondsman > Other then a few tax list on Jonathan there seems to be no records on this Robbins family > Jonathan may be her father, brother. Jonathan and Mathias were wits to the marriage of > Rachel Swaim dau of John Swaim brother to William Swaim. >  Rowan Co Marriages > Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim, Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins > John Swaim gave concent, her father 1769. > 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins > 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins > 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins >  >  > Thanks,Jerry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:623 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2013-05-31 07:35:04 Subject:Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Message: Jerry, US & International Marriage Records 1560-1900 at ancestry.com has Matthew Robbins married to Bethiah Nation 1750 in NC. We know from the will of John Nation his daughter Bethiah was married to a Robins. The parentage of Matthew Robbins is unknown. He wasn't the son of Elisha & Mary Wade Robins or born in Wales according to research done by John German. John was uncertain about Matthew & Bethiah's marriage. Probably because he was unab le to locate an official document for it. John was very thorough & if he couldn't find a record, most likely it doesn't exist. I have a file compiled by Dr R. Lanier Jones on June 27, 1997. Dr Jones records Nancy Ann Robbins was the daughter of Matthew & Bethiah Nation Robbins. He has several children attached to Matthew & Bethiah, among them N ancy Ann Robbins who married William Swaim, Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins. If Dr Jones' work is accurate then it's possible the Jonathan Robbins named as bondsman on 4-27-1765 was Nancy Ann's brother. Jonathan & Matthew/Mathias Robbins who were witnesses to the marriage of Rachel Swaim would b e Nancy Ann's brothers. I can't verify the accuracy of these relationships or the work of Dr. Jones. However, it may provide some clues for you to follow. Has any DNA testing had been done on this line of Matthew Robbins? Sara --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > I don't know if this helps or not but I have Elizabeth VICKREY (11 May 1750 > Frederick Co, VA - 3 Sep 1833 Randolph (was Rowan) Co, NC) married John > SWAIM 19 May 1767 Rowan Co, NC. > > John SWAIM (26 Apr 1748 Frederick Co, VA - 16 Jan 1827 Randolph Co, NC) son > of Michael SWAIM & Martha WORTHINGTON. > > John & Elizabeth had children: Massah, William G, Joshua, Christopher > Columbus, John, Elizabeth, Ashley, Marmaduke, Charity, Moses & Michael.C > > Elizabeth VICKREY daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. > > Elizabeth NATION (c1720 Monmouth Co, NJ - c1788 Randolph Co, NC) married > 1st Peter SWAIM (b c1710) in Frederick Co, VA & 2nd Marmaduke VICKREY in > Frederick Co, VA. > > Marmaduke VICKREY son of Hezekiah VICKREY & Mercy HOLLAND. > > All of the above info came from Wyndham Clampett . > > Sara Hoffman can speak better to the following: > > Elizabeth NATION daughter of John NATION & Bathiah ROBINS (c1702 - c1777). > > Bathiah ROBINS daughter of Joseph ROBINS & Hanna PACK. > > > > > > Posted by: "JERRY SCOTT" jerryscott572@... jerryscott572@... > > Date: Wed May 29, 2013 2:08 pm ((PDT)) > > > > I would be very happy if anyone has any new research on my 4th great grandmother Nancy Ann Robbins married William Swaim 27 April 1765 Rowan Co. NC Jonathan Robbins, bondsman > > Other then a few tax list on Jonathan there seems to be no records on this Robbins family > > Jonathan may be her father, brother. Jonathan and Mathias were wits to the marriage of > > Rachel Swaim dau of John Swaim brother to William Swaim. > >  Rowan Co Marriages > > Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim, Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins > > John Swaim gave concent, her father 1769. > > 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins > > 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins > > 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins > >  > >  > > Thanks,Jerry > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:624 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-05-31 10:19:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Message: After my last post I thought about the basis for Dr. R. Lanier Jones' work. I believe the origin was J.M. Robbins who to my knowledge offered no sources. A family group sheet for Matthew Robbins & Bethiah Nation, their daughter Nancy Ann Robbins & sons Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins was published in the " Robbins Journal" April 1990 Vol. I, No.4, pg. 10, Kevin K. Mittge, Editor. The source given was J.M. Robbins. This is the J.M. Robbins who supposely authored the Wales origin for a group of Robbins in NC. Most of the members here know John German spent years disputing this theory & finally through DNA testing it was found to be inaccurate. Alt hough the DNA provided proof some researchers still had/have a difficult time accepting the results. Why any reliable researcher would want to ignore DNA evidence is a puzzle to me? It would be great to have DNA from th e Matthew Robbins line. I suspect he is a Daniel Robinson/Robins descendant. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Jerry, US & International Marriage Records 1560-1900 at ancestry.com has Matthew Robbins married to Bethiah Nation 1750 in NC. We know from the will of John Nation his daughter Bethiah was married to a Robins. The parentage of Matthew Robbins is unknown. He wasn't the son of Elisha & Mary Wade Robins or born in Wales according to research done by John German. John was uncertain about Matthew & Bethiah's marriage. Probably because he was un able to locate an official document for it. John was very thorough & if he couldn't find a record, most likely it doesn't exist. I have a file compiled by Dr R. Lanier Jones on June 27, 1997. Dr Jones records Nancy Ann Robbins was the daughter of Matthew & Bethiah Nation Robbins. He has several children attached to Matthew & Bethiah, among them Nancy Ann Robbins who married William Swaim, Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins. If Dr Jones' work is accurate then it's possible the Jonathan Robbins named as bondsman on 4-27-1765 was Nancy Ann's brother. Jonathan & Matthew/Mathias Robbins who were witnesses to the marriage of Rachel Swaim would be Nancy Ann's brothers. I can't verify the accuracy of these relationships or the work of Dr. Jones. However, it may provide some clues for you to follow. Has any DNA testing had been done on this line of Matthew Robbins? Sara --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > I don't know if this helps or not but I have Elizabeth VICKREY (11 May 1750 > Frederick Co, VA - 3 Sep 1833 Randolph (was Rowan) Co, NC) married John > SWAIM 19 May 1767 Rowan Co, NC. > > John SWAIM (26 Apr 1748 Frederick Co, VA - 16 Jan 1827 Randolph Co, NC) son > of Michael SWAIM & Martha WORTHINGTON. > > John & Elizabeth had children: Massah, William G, Joshua, Christopher > Columbus, John, Elizabeth, Ashley, Marmaduke, Charity, Moses & Michael.C > > Elizabeth VICKREY daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. > > Elizabeth NATION (c1720 Monmouth Co, NJ - c1788 Randolph Co, NC) married > 1st Peter SWAIM (b c1710) in Frederick Co, VA & 2nd Marmaduke VICKREY in > Frederick Co, VA. > > Marmaduke VICKREY son of Hezekiah VICKREY & Mercy HOLLAND. > > All of the above info came from Wyndham Clampett . > > Sara Hoffman can speak better to the following: > > Elizabeth NATION daughter of John NATION & Bathiah ROBINS (c1702 - c1777). > > Bathiah ROBINS daughter of Joseph ROBINS & Hanna PACK. > > > > > > Posted by: "JERRY SCOTT" jerryscott572@... jerryscott572@... > > Date: Wed May 29, 2013 2:08 pm ((PDT)) > > > > I would be very happy if anyone has any new research on my 4th great grandmother Nancy Ann Robbins married William Swaim 27 April 1765 Rowan Co. NC Jonathan Robbins, bondsman > > Other then a few tax list on Jonathan there seems to be no records on this Robbins family > > Jonathan may be her father, brother. Jonathan and Mathias were wits to the marriage of > > Rachel Swaim dau of John Swaim brother to William Swaim. > >  Rowan Co Marriages > > Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim, Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins > > John Swaim gave concent, her father 1769. > > 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins > > 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins > > 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins > >  > >  > > Thanks,Jerry > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:625 Sender:Kevin Mittge Post Date/Time:2013-05-31 10:52:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Message: I would second Sara's comments about DNA evidence vs. family lore, stories, and undocumented research. I think the Robbins DNA project has been the single most important piece of research done on this family. Unfor tunately, North Carolina records can be poor or non-existent so those of us trying to find a paper trail to connect Daniel Robin(son) to our earlist "proven" ancestors have a difficult task. I cannot prove with docume ntation my ancestral line prior to Jacob and Mary Robbins of Randolph Co., NC, Franklin Co., VA, Henry Co., KY, and Decatur Co., IN, (and that's why you won't find it on my Ancestry "tree") but I am eternally grateful t o the DNA project for scientifically pinpointing our earliest ancestors, even if the intervening lines are blurry. (And thanks to John German for all his great work in this regard).  Kevin K. Mittge --- On Fri, 5/31/13, Sara Hoffman wrote: From: Sara Hoffman Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 31, 2013, 10:19 AM  After my last post I thought about the basis for Dr. R. Lanier Jones' work. I believe the origin was J.M. Robbins who to my knowledge offered no sources. A family group sheet for Matthew Robbins & Bethiah Nation, their daughter Nancy Ann Robbins & sons Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins was published in the " Robbins Journal" April 1990 Vol. I, No.4, pg. 10, Kevin K. Mittge, Editor. The source given was J.M. Robbins. This is the J.M. Robbins who supposely authored the Wales origin for a group of Robbins in NC. Most of the members here know John German spent years disputing this theory & finally through DNA testing it was found to b e inaccurate. Although the DNA provided proof some researchers still had/have a difficult time accepting the results. Why any reliable researcher would want to ignore DNA evidence is a puzzle to me? It would be gr eat to have DNA from the Matthew Robbins line. I suspect he is a Daniel Robinson/Robins descendant.                                                                                   Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION  Jerry, US & International Marriage Records 1560-1900 at ancestry.com has Matthew Robbins married to Bethiah Nation 1750 in NC. We know from the will of John Nation his daughter Bethiah was married to a Robins. The parentage of Matthew Robbins is unknown. He wasn't the son of Elisha & Mary Wade Robins or born in Wales according to research done by John German. John was uncertain about Matthew & Bethiah's marriage. Probably because he was unab le to locate an official document for it. John was very thorough & if he couldn't find a record, most likely it doesn't exist. I have a file compiled by Dr R. Lanier Jones on June 27, 1997. Dr Jones records Nancy Ann Robbins was the daughter of Matthew & Bethiah Nation Robbins. He has several children attached to Matthew & Bethiah, among them N ancy Ann Robbins who married William Swaim, Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins. If Dr Jones' work is accurate then it's possible the Jonathan Robbins named as bondsman on 4-27-1765 was Nancy Ann's brother. Jonathan & Matthew/Mathias Robbins who were witnesses to the marriage of Rachel Swaim would b e Nancy Ann's brothers. I can't verify the accuracy of these relationships or the work of Dr. Jones. However, it may provide some clues for you to follow. Has any DNA testing had been done on this line of Matthew Robbins? Sara --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > I don't know if this helps or not but I have Elizabeth VICKREY (11 May 1750 > Frederick Co, VA - 3 Sep 1833 Randolph (was Rowan) Co, NC) married John > SWAIM 19 May 1767 Rowan Co, NC. > > John SWAIM (26 Apr 1748 Frederick Co, VA - 16 Jan 1827 Randolph Co, NC) son > of Michael SWAIM & Martha WORTHINGTON. > > John & Elizabeth had children: Massah, William G, Joshua, Christopher > Columbus, John, Elizabeth, Ashley, Marmaduke, Charity, Moses & Michael.C > > Elizabeth VICKREY daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. > > Elizabeth NATION (c1720 Monmouth Co, NJ - c1788 Randolph Co, NC) married > 1st Peter SWAIM (b c1710) in Frederick Co, VA & 2nd Marmaduke VICKREY in > Frederick Co, VA. > > Marmaduke VICKREY son of Hezekiah VICKREY & Mercy HOLLAND. > > All of the above info came from Wyndham Clampett . > > Sara Hoffman can speak better to the following: > > Elizabeth NATION daughter of John NATION & Bathiah ROBINS (c1702 - c1777). > > Bathiah ROBINS daughter of Joseph ROBINS & Hanna PACK. > > > > > > Posted by: "JERRY SCOTT" jerryscott572@... jerryscott572@... > > Date: Wed May 29, 2013 2:08 pm ((PDT)) > > > > I would be very happy if anyone has any new research on my 4th great grandmother Nancy Ann Robbins married William Swaim 27 April 1765 Rowan Co. NC Jonathan Robbins, bondsman > > Other then a few tax list on Jonathan there seems to be no records on this Robbins family > > Jonathan may be her father, brother. Jonathan and Mathias were wits to the marriage ofà> > Rachel Swaim dau of John Swaim brother to William Swaim. > > àRowan Co Marriages > > Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim, Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins > > John Swaim gave concent, her father 1769. > > 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins > > 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins > > 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins > > à> > à> > Thanks,Jerry > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:626 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2013-05-31 11:38:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Message: Thanks Sara for posting this information. Mr. German told me this before he died. As for Matthew Robbins there are no records on this person other then the 1759 Rowan Tax list with Robbins.  Rowan Co Tax List 1759 Josiah Robins 1 pole  Wm Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 4 poles Wm Robins 1 pole Matthew Robins 1 pole  John Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 1 pole  I did find that Jonathan Robbins married Lydia Ledford daughter of William Ledford who died in 1796 in Rabdolph NC and had Lydia Robbins in his Will  William Ledford had 300 acres of land in Rowan Co that was formerly owned  by Jonathan Robins. In 1768 Rowan Tax list Mark Lot with Jonathan Robbins  1768 Rowan Co Tax List of William Spurgin Jonathan Robins and Mark Lot 2 poles Mark Lot married Mary Ledford 28 Aug 1769 Rowan NC William Ledford BM,grandfather  father; John Ledford  William Ledford was also bondsman for William Swaim & Nancy Ann RobbinsRowan Co, NC Marriage Bonds Pt 2 FHLbook William SWAIM & Ann ROBBINS md 27 Apr 1765 Bondsmen: William LEDFORD & Jonathan ROBBINS Witness: William FROHOCK    From Records Richard Robbins had at least 4 sons, Richards, Jr Jacob, Isaac and William Richard Robbins was a Wits to the Will of Joseph Robbins who died in 1754 grandson of Daniel Robbins.  1751 Granville Co Tax list Richard, Isaac, Jacob-3 appears to be sons of Richard Isaac and Jacob at least 16 years old births 1735  Richard had land deeds with Elisha Robbins;  Abstracts of Deeds of Rowan Co. North Carolina 1753-1785 9 Jan. 1761 Granville to Richard Robins for 10 sh. proc 640 acres in Rowan W. Lucas, W. Churton Provd; Oct Court 1762 10 Sept 1764 Richard Robins to James Davis for f 100 proc 640 acres on Muddy Creek of Deep River, Christopher Nation, Samuel, Ozbun, Prvd; Oct. Court 1766. 11 Feb 1769 Richard Robins, Sr. to Richard Robins, Jr. for f40 an improvement on Abbotts Creek called Hunts Fork and livestock Christopher Nation Prvd. May Court 1769. Misc Land Office Lord Granville Richard Robins plat dated 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan Co. on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deed River on both sides of the branch of the said creek CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrent Dated 1 Dec 1753 Miscellaneous Land office payers Lord Granville, NC State Archives Elisha Robins dated 1 Dec 1753 to James Carter to survey 640 acres in Rowan on Muddy Creek entering into deep river and on the month of second branch entered into the sd Creek s/ Fras Corbin, Entered 7 Feb 1752. Back of Document reads Executed Eljha Robins         ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION  After my last post I thought about the basis for Dr. R. Lanier Jones' work. I believe the origin was J.M. Robbins who to my knowledge offered no sources. A family group sheet for Matthew Robbins & Bethiah Nation, their daughter Nancy Ann Robbins & sons Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins was published in the " Robbins Journal" April 1990 Vol. I, No.4, pg. 10, Kevin K. Mittge, Editor. The source given was J.M. Robbins. This is the J.M. Robbins who supposely authored the Wales origin for a group of Robbins in NC. Most of the members here know John German spent years disputing this theory & finally through DNA testing it was found to be inaccurate. Although the DNA provided proof some researchers still had/have a difficult time accepting the results. Why any reliable researcher would want to ignore DNA evidence is a puzzle to me? It would be great to have DNA from the Matthew Robbins line. I suspect he is a Daniel Robinson/Robins descendant.                                                                                   Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: Sara >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:35 AM >Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION > > >Jerry, > >US & International Marriage Records 1560-1900 at ancestry.com has Matthew Robbins married to Bethiah Nation 1750 in NC. We know from the will of John Nation his daughter Bethiah was married to a Robins. The parentage of Matthew Robbins is unknown. He wasn't the son of Elisha & Mary Wade Robins or born in Wales according to research done by John German. John was uncertain about Matthew & Bethiah's marriage. Probably because he was unable to locate an official document for it. John was very thorough & if he couldn't find a record, most likely it doesn't exist. > >I have a file compiled by Dr R. Lanier Jones on June 27, 1997. Dr Jones records Nancy Ann Robbins was the daughter of Matthew & Bethiah Nation Robbins. He has several children attached to Matthew & Bethiah, among them Nancy Ann Robbins who married William Swaim, Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins. > >If Dr Jones' work is accurate then it's possible the Jonathan Robbins named as bondsman on 4-27-1765 was Nancy Ann's brother. Jonathan & Matthew/Mathias Robbins who were witnesses to the marriage of Rachel Swaim would be Nancy Ann's brothers. I can't verify the accuracy of these relationships or the work of Dr. Jones. However, it may provide some clues for you to follow. >Has any DNA testing had been done on this line of Matthew Robbins? > >Sara > >--- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: >> >> >> I don't know if this helps or not but I have Elizabeth VICKREY (11 May 1750 >> Frederick Co, VA - 3 Sep 1833 Randolph (was Rowan) Co, NC) married John >> SWAIM 19 May 1767 Rowan Co, NC. >> >> John SWAIM (26 Apr 1748 Frederick Co, VA - 16 Jan 1827 Randolph Co, NC) son >> of Michael SWAIM & Martha WORTHINGTON. >> >> John & Elizabeth had children: Massah, William G, Joshua, Christopher >> Columbus, John, Elizabeth, Ashley, Marmaduke, Charity, Moses & Michael.C >> >> Elizabeth VICKREY daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. >> >> Elizabeth NATION (c1720 Monmouth Co, NJ - c1788 Randolph Co, NC) married >> 1st Peter SWAIM (b c1710) in Frederick Co, VA & 2nd Marmaduke VICKREY in >> Frederick Co, VA. >> >> Marmaduke VICKREY son of Hezekiah VICKREY & Mercy HOLLAND. >> >> All of the above info came from Wyndham Clampett . >> >> Sara Hoffman can speak better to the following: >> >> Elizabeth NATION daughter of John NATION & Bathiah ROBINS (c1702 - c1777). >> >> Bathiah ROBINS daughter of Joseph ROBINS & Hanna PACK. >> >> >> >> >> > Posted by: "JERRY SCOTT" jerryscott572@... jerryscott572@... >> > Date: Wed May 29, 2013 2:08 pm ((PDT)) >> > >> > I would be very happy if anyone has any new research on my 4th great grandmother Nancy Ann Robbins married William Swaim 27 April 1765 Rowan Co. NC Jonathan Robbins, bondsman >> > Other then a few tax list on Jonathan there seems to be no records on this Robbins family >> > Jonathan may be her father, brother. Jonathan and Mathias were wits to the marriage ofà>> > Rachel Swaim dau of John Swaim brother to William Swaim. >> > àRowan Co Marriages >> > Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim, Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins >> > John Swaim gave concent, her father 1769. >> > 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins >> > 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins >> > 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins >> > à>> > à>> > Thanks,Jerry >> >> -- >> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net/ >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:627 Sender:"Roy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2013-05-31 12:18:05 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Rick, I have attached my DNA results. This time I hope they get through. The last time I tried to send them, a few days ago, they wouldn't go. Roy -----Original Message----- From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:25 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Thanks for the reply, Roy. Hope that you have success tracing your family history through the years. Where is your Robbins family from, and have you tested Y-DNA through FTDNA? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenââ¬â¢t taken the time to utilize the robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My excuse is that I have been very active in researching my ancestry and I will be active at this site in the future. > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd.d.robbins@... > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > > > > > > I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. > > > > I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > Richard > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:628 Sender:Scott Allen Post Date/Time:2013-05-31 13:13:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Roy, Thanks so much for sharing your DNA test results! Scott On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Roy Robbins wrote: > ** > > > Rick, > I have attached my DNA results. This time I hope they get through. The > last time I tried to send them, a few days ago, they wouldn't go. > Roy > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:629 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-05-31 13:17:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Message: Jerry, Thanks so much for adding your information. There's a interesting discussion that took place here with John about Elisha Robbins last year. It may have been one of John's last postings on this forum. Thought I'd mention it in case anyone wanted to revisit it. Kevin is so right on the mark, we have John to thank for all the great work he did on the Robbins of NC, KY, GA, TN along with his involvement with the Robbins DNA. John he told me he was going to publish a work on Levi Robbins of Overton, TN & his descendants & would sent me a copy when completed. I don't think he was able to finish it before his death. His research would be a valuable researc h tool if placed in a public place like a historical society. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: JERRY SCOTT To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Thanks Sara for posting this information. Mr. German told me this before he died. As for Matthew Robbins there are no records on this person other then the 1759 Rowan Tax list with Robbins. Rowan Co Tax List 1759 Josiah Robins 1 pole Wm Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 4 poles Wm Robins 1 pole Matthew Robins 1 pole John Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 1 pole I did find that Jonathan Robbins married Lydia Ledford daughter of William Ledford who died in 1796 in Rabdolph NC and had Lydia Robbins in his Will William Ledford had 300 acres of land in Rowan Co that was formerly owned by Jonathan Robins. In 1768 Rowan Tax list Mark Lot with Jonathan Robbins 1768 Rowan Co Tax List of William Spurgin Jonathan Robins and Mark Lot 2 poles Mark Lot married Mary Ledford 28 Aug 1769 Rowan NC William Ledford BM,grandfather father; John Ledford William Ledford was also bondsman for William Swaim & Nancy Ann Robbins Rowan Co, NC Marriage Bonds Pt 2 FHLbook William SWAIM & Ann ROBBINS md 27 Apr 1765 Bondsmen: William LEDFORD & Jonathan ROBBINS Witness: William FROHOCK From Records Richard Robbins had at least 4 sons, Richards, Jr Jacob, Isaac and William Richard Robbins was a Wits to the Will of Joseph Robbins who died in 1754 grandson of Daniel Robbins. 1751 Granville Co Tax list Richard, Isaac, Jacob-3 appears to be sons of Richard Isaac and Jacob at least 16 years old births 1735 Richard had land deeds with Elisha Robbins; Abstracts of Deeds of Rowan Co. North Carolina 1753-1785 9 Jan. 1761 Granville to Richard Robins for 10 sh. proc 640 acres in Rowan W. Lucas, W. Churton Provd; Oct Court 1762 10 Sept 1764 Richard Robins to James Davis for f 100 proc 640 acres on Muddy Creek of Deep River, Christopher Nation, Samuel, Ozbun, Prvd; Oct. Court 1766. 11 Feb 1769 Richard Robins, Sr. to Richard Robins, Jr. for f40 an improvement on Abbotts Creek called Hunts Fork and livestock Christopher Nation Prvd. May Court 1769. Misc Land Office Lord Granville Richard Robins plat dated 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan Co. on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deed River on both sides of the branch of the said creek CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrent Dated 1 Dec 1753 Miscellaneous Land office payers Lord Granville, NC State Archives Elisha Robins dated 1 Dec 1753 to James Carter to survey 640 acres in Rowan on Muddy Creek entering into deep river and on the month of second branch entered into the sd Creek s/ Fras Corbin, Entered 7 Feb 1752. Back of Document reads Executed Eljha Robins From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION After my last post I thought about the basis for Dr. R. Lanier Jones' work. I believe the origin was J.M. Robbins who to my knowledge offered no sources. A family group sheet for Matthew Robbins & Bethiah Nation, thei r daughter Nancy Ann Robbins & sons Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins was published in the " Robbins Journal" April 1990 Vol. I, No.4, pg. 10, Kevin K. Mittge, Editor. The source given was J.M. Robbins. This is the J.M . Robbins who supposely authored the Wales origin for a group of Robbins in NC. Most of the members here know John German spent years disputing this theory & finally through DNA testing it was found to be inaccurate. A lthough the DNA provided proof some researchers still had/have a difficult time accepting the results. Why any reliable researcher would want to ignore DNA evidence is a puzzle to me? It would be great to have DNA from the Matthew Robbins line. I suspect he is a Daniel Robinson/Robins descendant. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Jerry, US & International Marriage Records 1560-1900 at ancestry.com has Matthew Robbins married to Bethiah Nation 1750 in NC. We know from the will of John Nation his daughter Bethiah was married to a Robins. The parentag e of Matthew Robbins is unknown. He wasn't the son of Elisha & Mary Wade Robins or born in Wales according to research done by John German. John was uncertain about Matthew & Bethiah's marriage. Probably because he was unable to locate an official document for it. John was very thorough & if he couldn't find a record, most likely it doesn't exist. I have a file compiled by Dr R. Lanier Jones on June 27, 1997. Dr Jones records Nancy Ann Robbins was the daughter of Matthew & Bethiah Nation Robbins. He has several children attached to Matthew & Bethiah, among th em Nancy Ann Robbins who married William Swaim, Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins. If Dr Jones' work is accurate then it's possible the Jonathan Robbins named as bondsman on 4-27-1765 was Nancy Ann's brother. Jonathan & Matthew/Mathias Robbins who were witnesses to the marriage of Rachel Swaim wou ld be Nancy Ann's brothers. I can't verify the accuracy of these relationships or the work of Dr. Jones. However, it may provide some clues for you to follow. Has any DNA testing had been done on this line of Matthew Robbins? Sara --- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > I don't know if this helps or not but I have Elizabeth VICKREY (11 May 1750 > Frederick Co, VA - 3 Sep 1833 Randolph (was Rowan) Co, NC) married John > SWAIM 19 May 1767 Rowan Co, NC. > > John SWAIM (26 Apr 1748 Frederick Co, VA - 16 Jan 1827 Randolph Co, NC) son > of Michael SWAIM & Martha WORTHINGTON. > > John & Elizabeth had children: Massah, William G, Joshua, Christopher > Columbus, John, Elizabeth, Ashley, Marmaduke, Charity, Moses & Michael.C > > Elizabeth VICKREY daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. > > Elizabeth NATION (c1720 Monmouth Co, NJ - c1788 Randolph Co, NC) married > 1st Peter SWAIM (b c1710) in Frederick Co, VA & 2nd Marmaduke VICKREY in > Frederick Co, VA. > > Marmaduke VICKREY son of Hezekiah VICKREY & Mercy HOLLAND. > > All of the above info came from Wyndham Clampett . > > Sara Hoffman can speak better to the following: > > Elizabeth NATION daughter of John NATION & Bathiah ROBINS (c1702 - c1777). > > Bathiah ROBINS daughter of Joseph ROBINS & Hanna PACK. > > > > > > Posted by: "JERRY SCOTT" jerryscott572@... jerryscott572@... > > Date: Wed May 29, 2013 2:08 pm ((PDT)) > > > > I would be very happy if anyone has any new research on my 4th great grandmother Nancy Ann Robbins married William Swaim 27 April 1765 Rowan Co. NC Jonathan Robbins, bondsman > > Other then a few tax list on Jonathan there seems to be no records on this Robbins family > > Jonathan may be her father, brother. Jonathan and Mathias were wits to the marriage ofà > > Rachel Swaim dau of John Swaim brother to William Swaim. > > à Rowan Co Marriages > > Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim, Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins > > John Swaim gave concent, her father 1769. > > 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins > > 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins > > 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins > > à > > à > > Thanks,Jerry > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:630 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-06-01 09:56:09 Subject:Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Never saw any, Roy. was it FTDNA? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > Rick, > I have attached my DNA results. This time I hope they get through. The last time I tried to send them, a few days ago, they wouldn't go. > Roy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:25 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) > > Thanks for the reply, Roy. Hope that you have success tracing your family history through the years. Where is your Robbins family from, and have you tested Y-DNA through FTDNA? > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > > > I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenââ¬â¢t taken the time to utilize the robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My excuse is that I have been very active in researching my ancestry and I will be active at this site in the future. > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd.d.robbins@ > > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. > > > > > > > > I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > > > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > > > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:631 Sender:"Roy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2013-06-01 13:03:08 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Yes but the attachment was one that I had composed and saved so that I could send it. How do I send an attachment to our Robbins Yahoo group? -----Original Message----- From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 12:56 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Never saw any, Roy. was it FTDNA? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > Rick, > I have attached my DNA results. This time I hope they get through. The last time I tried to send them, a few days ago, they wouldn't go. > Roy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:25 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) > > Thanks for the reply, Roy. Hope that you have success tracing your family history through the years. Where is your Robbins family from, and have you tested Y-DNA through FTDNA? > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > > > I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenââ¬â¢t taken the time to utilize the robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My excuse is that I have been very active in researching my ancestry and I will be active at this site in the future. > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd.d.robbins@ > > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. > > > > > > > > I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > > > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > > > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:632 Sender:"rrobbins6" Post Date/Time:2013-06-01 13:21:00 Subject:DNA results for Roy W. Robbins Message: DYS393 - 12 DYS390 - 24 DYS19 - 14 DYS391 - 10 DYS385 - 11-14 DYS426 - 12 DYS388 - 12 DYS439 - 12 DYS389I - 13 DYS392 - 13 DYS389II - 29 DYS458 - 19 DYS459 - 9-10 DYS455 - 11 DYS454 - 11 DYS447 - 25 DYS437 - 15 DYS448 - 19 DYS449 - 29 DYS464 - 15-15-15-17 DYS460 - 10 Y-GATA-H4 - 11 YCAII - 18-23 DYS456 - 15 DYS607 - 17 DYS576 - 21 DYS570 - 16 CDY - 36-38 DYS442 - 12 DYS438 - 12 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:633 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-06-01 19:34:31 Subject:Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Saw them now. Roy, have you joined the Robbins group yet on FTDNA? Or did I miss that? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > Yes but the attachment was one that I had composed and saved so that I could > send it. How do I send an attachment to our Robbins Yahoo group? > > -----Original Message----- > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 12:56 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) > > Never saw any, Roy. was it FTDNA? > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" > wrote: > > > > Rick, > > I have attached my DNA results. This time I hope they get through. The > last time I tried to send them, a few days ago, they wouldn't go. > > > Roy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:25 AM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > Thanks for the reply, Roy. Hope that you have success tracing your family > history through the years. Where is your Robbins family from, and have you > tested Y-DNA through FTDNA? > > > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" > wrote: > > > > > > I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenââ¬â¢t taken the time to > utilize the robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My > excuse is that I have been very active in researching my ancestry and I will > be active at this site in the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd.d.robbins@ > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM > > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > > > > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to > this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the > list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > > > > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical > hunting! > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tod Robbins > > > > > > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > > > > > > todrobbins.com | > @todrobbins > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:634 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-06-01 19:36:51 Subject:Re: DNA results for Roy W. Robbins Message: And, of course, a perfect match. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "rrobbins6" wrote: > > DYS393 - 12 > DYS390 - 24 > DYS19 - 14 > DYS391 - 10 > DYS385 - 11-14 > DYS426 - 12 > DYS388 - 12 > DYS439 - 12 > DYS389I - 13 > DYS392 - 13 > DYS389II - 29 > DYS458 - 19 > DYS459 - 9-10 > DYS455 - 11 > DYS454 - 11 > DYS447 - 25 > DYS437 - 15 > DYS448 - 19 > DYS449 - 29 > DYS464 - 15-15-15-17 > DYS460 - 10 > Y-GATA-H4 - 11 > YCAII - 18-23 > DYS456 - 15 > DYS607 - 17 > DYS576 - 21 > DYS570 - 16 > CDY - 36-38 > DYS442 - 12 > DYS438 - 12 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:635 Sender:"Roy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2013-06-02 06:50:02 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: You know, I can't actually say. I know that I haven't gone there in a long time. How do I join? -----Original Message----- From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 10:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Saw them now. Roy, have you joined the Robbins group yet on FTDNA? Or did I miss that? --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > Yes but the attachment was one that I had composed and saved so that I > could send it. How do I send an attachment to our Robbins Yahoo group? > > -----Original Message----- > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 12:56 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) > > Never saw any, Roy. was it FTDNA? > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" > > wrote: > > > > Rick, > > I have attached my DNA results. This time I hope they get > > through. The > last time I tried to send them, a few days ago, they wouldn't go. > > > Roy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:25 AM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > Thanks for the reply, Roy. Hope that you have success tracing your > > family > history through the years. Where is your Robbins family from, and have > you tested Y-DNA through FTDNA? > > > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" > > > wrote: > > > > > > I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenââ¬â¢t taken the time > > > to > utilize the robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My > excuse is that I have been very active in researching my ancestry and > I will be active at this site in the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > todd.d.robbins@ > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM > > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > > > > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by > > > replying to > this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to > the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > > > > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical > hunting! > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tod Robbins > > > > > > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > > > > > > todrobbins.com | > @todrobbins > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:636 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2013-06-02 08:26:12 Subject:Liver Eating Johnston Message: As some might know John "Liver Eating" Johnston was born a Garrison just outside of Little York, NJ. His grandmother was Dinah Robbins. Her family line can be followed back to Daniel and Hope. Yesterday in 1864 John Garrison, brother of the 'Liver Eater' was killed at the start of the Cold Harbor battles. John was a sharpshooter with the NY. His rise to Sgt, complete with a signing bonus, and the fact he was out in front as the troops first moved in showed his ability and the confidence in him by his fellow troops. He was shot 'between the eyes', and buried locally in following days.... Dorman Nelson Biographer www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:637 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-06-02 10:56:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston Message: Dorman, Have you followed John Garrison's line back to his earliest Garrison ancestor? Interested in knowing if he is a descendant of Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg who was the progenitor of most of the Garrisons in NJ. There are so many tales associated with John Johnston or John Garrison. It must be difficult sorting it all out. The movie "Jeremiah Johnson" with Robert Redford that supposely portrays this character is a memorable one. Please let us know when your book becomes available. I'd like to purchase a copy. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorman Nelson To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:26 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston As some might know John "Liver Eating" Johnston was born a Garrison just outside of Little York, NJ. His grandmother was Dinah Robbins. Her family line can be followed back to Daniel and Hope. Yesterday in 1864 John Garrison, brother of the 'Liver Eater' was killed at the start of the Cold Harbor battles. John was a sharpshooter with the NY. His rise to Sgt, complete with a signing bonus, and the fact he was out in front as the troops first moved in showed his ability and the confidence in him by his fellow troops. He was shot 'between the eyes', and buried locally in following days.... Dorman Nelson Biographer www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:638 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2013-06-02 13:38:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston Message: Howdy, With Perry Streeter's work, and other ancestry avenues I found that Johnston is related and his origins are the Dutch/German border people and Scot on Daniel's side. Keep in mind. John Johnston was the name signed in Government papers. He is the son of Isaac Garrison. His name was not John. John was the brother who was killed in the Civil War and the grave has been located. Johnston was known as John Johnson, Jack Johnson, the Livereater, Liver Eating Johnston or Johnson. Jeremiah was a made up name for the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Therefore the grave site now in Cody Wyoming is slightly in error calling him Jeremiah, but extolling in the fame brought by the movie. Also in New Jersey there are errors in the roadside sign. PLUS, a lot of the informa ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, June 2, 2013 10:56:31 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston Dorman, Have you followed John Garrison's line back to his earliest Garrison ancestor? Interested in knowing if he is a descendant of Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg who was the progenitor of most of the Garrisons in NJ. There are so many tales associated with John Johnston or John Garrison. It must be difficult sorting it all out. The movie "Jeremiah Johnson" with Robert Redford that supposely portrays this character is a memorable one. Please let us know when your book becomes available. I'd like to purchase a copy. Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: Dorman Nelson >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:26 AM >Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston > > >As some might know John "Liver Eating" Johnston was born a Garrison just >outside of Little York, NJ. His grandmother was Dinah Robbins. >Her family line can be followed back to Daniel and Hope. Yesterday in 1864 >John Garrison, brother of the 'Liver Eater' was killed at the start >of the Cold Harbor battles. John was a sharpshooter with the NY. His rise >to Sgt, complete with a signing bonus, and the fact he was out in front >as the troops first moved in showed his ability and the confidence in him by >his fellow troops. He was shot 'between the eyes', and buried locally in >following >days.... > > >Dorman Nelson >Biographer >www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:639 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2013-06-02 14:03:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston Message: On Jun 2, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Dorman Nelson wrote: > > Howdy, > With Perry Streeter's work, and other ancestry avenues I found that Johnston is related and his origins are the Dutch/German border people and > Scot on Daniel's side. > > Keep in mind. John Johnston was the name signed in Government papers. He is the son of Isaac Garrison. His name was not John. John was the brother > who was killed in the Civil War and the grave has been located. Johnston was known as John Johnson, Jack Johnson, the Livereater, Liver Eating Johnston or Johnson. > Jeremiah was a made up name for the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Therefore the grave site now in Cody Wyoming is slightly in error calling him Jeremiah, but extolling in the fame > brought by the movie. Also in New Jersey there are errors in the roadside sign. PLUS, a lot of the information on the internet is in error or just repeated. The books Mountain Man and Crow Killer(Indian Killer, in the UK), are mostly fiction. The few facts are embellished or warbled around a bit to make it interesting. Funny, we think of all the 'action' in the wild west, but spending hours mending, sharpening a knife, chopping wood, hunting to eat, wondering if you would ever see any one, and gazing at the mountains for days, or squinting across the plains seeing only waving grass, or chilling your bones in the winter, wasn't glam and glamour. Quite boring a lot of the time. Thank goodness for drink, gambling, stealing and warfare. dorman > > From: Sara Hoffman > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, June 2, 2013 10:56:31 AM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston > > > > Dorman, > > Have you followed John Garrison's line back to his earliest Garrison ancestor? Interested in knowing if he is a descendant of Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg who was the progenitor of most of the Garrisons in NJ. There a re so many tales associated with John Johnston or John Garrison. It must be difficult sorting it all out. The movie "Jeremiah Johnson" with Robert Redford that supposely portrays this character is a memorable one. Pleas e let us know when your book becomes available. I'd like to purchase a copy. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dorman Nelson > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:26 AM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston > > > > As some might know John "Liver Eating" Johnston was born a Garrison just outside of Little York, NJ. His grandmother was Dinah Robbins. > Her family line can be followed back to Daniel and Hope. Yesterday in 1864 John Garrison, brother of the 'Liver Eater' was killed at the start > of the Cold Harbor battles. John was a sharpshooter with the NY. His rise to Sgt, complete with a signing bonus, and the fact he was out in front > as the troops first moved in showed his ability and the confidence in him by his fellow troops. He was shot 'between the eyes', and buried locally in following > days.... > > Dorman Nelson > Biographer > www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:640 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-06-02 15:15:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston Message: Dorman, When you say Johnston is from the Dutch/German border people do you know if this is the Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg & his wife Clara Matthys family? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorman Nelson To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston On Jun 2, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Dorman Nelson wrote: Howdy, With Perry Streeter's work, and other ancestry avenues I found that Johnston is related and his origins are the Dutch/German border people and Scot on Daniel's side. Keep in mind. John Johnston was the name signed in Government papers. He is the son of Isaac Garrison. His name was not John. John was the brother who was killed in the Civil War and the grave has been located. Johnston was known as John Johnson, Jack Johnson, the Livereater, Liver Eating Johnston or Johnson. Jeremiah was a made up name for the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Therefore the grave site now in Cody Wyoming is slightly in error calling him Jeremiah, but extolling in the fame brought by the movie. Also in New Jersey there are errors in the roadside sign. PLUS, a lot of the information on the internet is in error or just repeated. The books Mountain Man and Crow Killer(Indian Killer, in the UK), are mostly fiction. The few facts are embellished or warbled around a bit to make it interesting. Funny, we think of all the 'action' in the wild west, but spending hours mending, sharpening a knife, chopping wood, hunting to eat, wondering if you would ever see any one, and gazing at the mountains for days, or squinting across the plains seeing only waving grass, or chilling your bones in the winter, wasn't glam and glamour. Quite boring a lot of the time. Thank goodness for drink, gambling, stealing and warfare. dorman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, June 2, 2013 10:56:31 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston Dorman, Have you followed John Garrison's line back to his earliest Garrison ancestor? Interested in knowing if he is a descendant of Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg who was the progenitor of most of the Garrisons in NJ. There are so many tales associated with John Johnston or John Garrison. It must be difficult sorting it all out. The movie "Jeremiah Johnson" with Robert Redford that supposely portrays this character is a memorable one. Ple ase let us know when your book becomes available. I'd like to purchase a copy. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorman Nelson To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:26 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston As some might know John "Liver Eating" Johnston was born a Garrison just outside of Little York, NJ. His grandmother was Dinah Robbins. Her family line can be followed back to Daniel and Hope. Yesterday in 1864 John Garrison, brother of the 'Liver Eater' was killed at the start of the Cold Harbor battles. John was a sharpshooter with the NY. His rise to Sgt, complete with a signing bonus, and the fact he was out in front as the troops first moved in showed his ability and the confidence in him by his fellow troops. He was shot 'between the eyes', and buried locally in following days.... Dorman Nelson Biographer www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:641 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2013-06-02 15:41:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston Message: If you look at the beginning of Perry's work there is indications of where they are from. I asked him years ago and he said that was where "they" were from.....I would have to look at the papers. Do you have a copy? Dorman ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, June 2, 2013 3:15:49 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston Dorman, When you say Johnston is from the Dutch/German border people do you know if this is the Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg & his wife Clara Matthys family? Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: Dorman Nelson >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 2:03 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston > > > > >On Jun 2, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Dorman Nelson wrote: > > >> >> >>Howdy, >>With Perry Streeter's work, and other ancestry avenues I found that >>Johnston is related and his origins are the Dutch/German border people and >>Scot on Daniel's side. >> >> >>Keep in mind. John Johnston was the name signed in Government papers. He is >>the son of Isaac Garrison. His name was not John. John was the brother >>who was killed in the Civil War and the grave has been located. Johnston >>was known as John Johnson, Jack Johnson, the Livereater, Liver Eating >>Johnston or Johnson. >>Jeremiah was a made up name for the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Therefore the >>grave site now in Cody Wyoming is slightly in error calling him Jeremiah, >>but extolling in the fame >>brought by the movie. Also in New Jersey there are errors in the roadside >>sign. PLUS, a lot of the information on the internet is in error or just >>repeated.The books Mountain Man and Crow Killer(Indian Killer, in the UK), >>are mostly fiction. The few facts are embellished or warbled around a bit to >>make it interesting. Funny, we think of all the 'action' in the wild >> >west, but spending hours mending, sharpening a knife, chopping wood, hunting >to eat, wondering if you would ever see any one, and gazing at the mountains >for days, or squinting across the plains seeing only waving >grass, or chilling your bones in the winter, wasn't glam and glamour. Quite >boring a lot of the time. Thank goodness for drink, gambling, stealing and >warfare. > > >dorman > >> >> ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Sun, June 2, 2013 10:56:31 AM >>Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston >> >> >> >> >>Dorman, >> >>Have you followed John Garrison's line back to his earliest >>Garrison ancestor? Interested in knowing if he is a descendant of Gerrit >>Jansen van Oldenburg who was the progenitor of most of the Garrisons in NJ. >>There are so many tales associated with John Johnston or John Garrison. It >>must be difficult sorting it all out. The movie "Jeremiah Johnson" with >>Robert Redford that supposely portrays this character is a memorable >>one. Please let us know when your book becomes available. I'd like to >>purchase a copy. >> >> Sara >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Dorman Nelson >>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:26 AM >>>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>As some might know John "Liver Eating" Johnston was born a Garrison just >>>outside of Little York, NJ. His grandmother was Dinah Robbins. >>>Her family line can be followed back to Daniel and Hope. Yesterday in >>>1864 John Garrison, brother of the 'Liver Eater' was killed at the start >>>of the Cold Harbor battles. John was a sharpshooter with the NY. His >>>rise to Sgt, complete with a signing bonus, and the fact he was out in >>>front >>>as the troops first moved in showed his ability and the confidence in him >>>by his fellow troops. He was shot 'between the eyes', and buried locally >>>in following >>>days.... >>> >>> >>>Dorman Nelson >>>Biographer >>>www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com >>> >>> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:642 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-06-02 16:36:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston Message: Dorman, A quick search on the Garrisons shows DNA testing in 2010 confirmed Jan/John was the son of Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg. The documentation for John a few years ago was lacking records to prove he was the father of the H unterdon Co. Garrisons. I was curious about John as I'm a descendant of John's brother Jacob Garrison who settled in Cumberland Co., NJ. Now I know for sure there is a relationship with the Hunterdon Co. & Cumberland Co . Garrisons. Thanks for bringing up the John Garrison subject & getting me up to speed on the Garrisons. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorman Nelson To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston If you look at the beginning of Perry's work there is indications of where they are from. I asked him years ago and he said that was where "they" were from.....I would have to look at the papers. Do you have a copy? Dorman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, June 2, 2013 3:15:49 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston Dorman, When you say Johnston is from the Dutch/German border people do you know if this is the Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg & his wife Clara Matthys family? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorman Nelson To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston On Jun 2, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Dorman Nelson wrote: Howdy, With Perry Streeter's work, and other ancestry avenues I found that Johnston is related and his origins are the Dutch/German border people and Scot on Daniel's side. Keep in mind. John Johnston was the name signed in Government papers. He is the son of Isaac Garrison. His name was not John. John was the brother who was killed in the Civil War and the grave has been located. Johnston was known as John Johnson, Jack Johnson, the Livereater, Liver Eating Johnston or Johnson. Jeremiah was a made up name for the movie Jeremiah Johnson. Therefore the grave site now in Cody Wyoming is slightly in error calling him Jeremiah, but extolling in the fame brought by the movie. Also in New Jersey there are errors in the roadside sign. PLUS, a lot of the information on the internet is in error or just repeated. The books Mountain Man and Crow Killer(Indian Killer, in the UK), are mostly fiction. The few facts are embellished or warbled around a bit to make it interesting. Funny, we think of all the 'action' in the wild west, but spending hours mending, sharpening a knife, chopping wood, hunting to eat, wondering if you would ever see any one, and gazing at the mountains for days, or squinting across the plains seeing only waving grass, or chilling your bones in the winter, wasn't glam and glamour. Quite boring a lot of the time. Thank goodness for drink, gambling, stealing and warfare. dorman -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, June 2, 2013 10:56:31 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston Dorman, Have you followed John Garrison's line back to his earliest Garrison ancestor? Interested in knowing if he is a descendant of Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg who was the progenitor of most of the Garrisons in NJ. The re are so many tales associated with John Johnston or John Garrison. It must be difficult sorting it all out. The movie "Jeremiah Johnson" with Robert Redford that supposely portrays this character is a memorable one. P lease let us know when your book becomes available. I'd like to purchase a copy. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorman Nelson To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:26 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Liver Eating Johnston As some might know John "Liver Eating" Johnston was born a Garrison just outside of Little York, NJ. His grandmother was Dinah Robbins. Her family line can be followed back to Daniel and Hope. Yesterday in 1864 John Garrison, brother of the 'Liver Eater' was killed at the start of the Cold Harbor battles. John was a sharpshooter with the NY. His rise to Sgt, complete with a signing bonus, and the fact he was out in front as the troops first moved in showed his ability and the confidence in him by his fellow troops. He was shot 'between the eyes', and buried locally in following days.... Dorman Nelson Biographer www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:643 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-06-02 20:16:45 Subject:Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Go here and sign in with your FDTNA account. Hopefully it works. http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=Robbins&vGroup=Robins --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" wrote: > > You know, I can't actually say. I know that I haven't gone there in a long > time. How do I join? > > -----Original Message----- > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 10:35 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) > > Saw them now. Roy, have you joined the Robbins group yet on FTDNA? Or did I > miss that? > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" > wrote: > > > > Yes but the attachment was one that I had composed and saved so that I > > could send it. How do I send an attachment to our Robbins Yahoo group? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick > > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 12:56 PM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > Never saw any, Roy. was it FTDNA? > > > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Rick, > > > I have attached my DNA results. This time I hope they get > > > through. The > > last time I tried to send them, a few days ago, they wouldn't go. > > > > > Roy > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:25 AM > > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > > > Thanks for the reply, Roy. Hope that you have success tracing your > > > family > > history through the years. Where is your Robbins family from, and have > > you tested Y-DNA through FTDNA? > > > > > > --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Robbins" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am indeed alive. Unfortunately I havenââ¬â¢t taken the time > > > > to > > utilize the robbinsfamilysociety site since shortly after joining. My > > excuse is that I have been very active in researching my ancestry and > > I will be active at this site in the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > todd.d.robbins@ > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:25 PM > > > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm alive! I'm just extremely busy with too many projects to list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall share some of this excitement soon enough though! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > > > > > > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by > > > > replying to > > this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to > > the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > > > > > > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical > > hunting! > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tod Robbins > > > > > > > > Digital Collections Librarian, MLIS > > > > > > > > todrobbins.com | > > @todrobbins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:644 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-06-02 20:21:58 Subject:Robbins DNA site Message: Where is the new site being maintained? I saw that earlier, but lost the link to it... Saw this on the old site: Lumped in with group 8. kit 166144 Blatchley Robins (Daniel Robins who was married to Sarah Blatchley) who was born in 1772-3, New Jersey, and died in Gainsboro, Lincoln County, Upper Canada in 1814. l. We can find no evidence that Daniel Rob ins, father of Blatchley ever made it to Canada. There is a Daniel Robins, as well as a Joshua, who appears as having been a prisoner in the British ships in the East River during the Revolutionary War. A lot of those p eople died in those ships Should be removed from group 8, as the DNA from the kit matches. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:645 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2013-06-03 06:13:18 Subject:Re: Robbins DNA site Message: I forgot Rick...are you kit #74013? And can you give us your line as far back as you know it? You are descended from Stephen, right? Also, has anyone been in touch with kit #72633 "George Robins b. 1806 of Easton PA"? Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:646 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-06-03 13:26:03 Subject:Re: Robbins DNA site Message: Yes, that's my kit. Are you on Mundia? That's the easiest way to look at my tree, now. Stephen, who was son of Daniel, who was son of John, who was son of Daniel, and then the original Daniel. If that helps.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:647 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2013-06-03 13:47:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins DNA site Message: A word of caution re Mundia: http://blog.dearmyrtle.com/2009/12/mundia-oh-no-ancestrycom-strikes-again.html Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 4:26 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins DNA site Yes, that's my kit. Are you on Mundia? That's the easiest way to look at my tree, now. Stephen, who was son of Daniel, who was son of John, who was son of Daniel, and then the original Daniel. If that helps.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:648 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-06-03 15:27:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA site Message: This is me. Dale. ________________________________ From: Rick To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2013, 23:21:58 Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA site  Where is the new site being maintained? I saw that earlier, but lost the link to it... Saw this on the old site: Lumped in with group 8. kit 166144 Blatchley Robins (Daniel Robins who was married to Sarah Blatchley) who was born in 1772-3, New Jersey, and died in Gainsboro, Lincoln County, Upper Canada in 1814. l. We can find no evidence that Daniel Rob ins, father of Blatchley ever made it to Canada. There is a Daniel Robins, as well as a Joshua, who appears as having been a prisoner in the British ships in the East River during the Revolutionary War. A lot of those p eople died in those ships Should be removed from group 8, as the DNA from the kit matches. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:649 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-06-03 16:08:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA site Message: Dale are you talking about the Robbins DNA web site its at worldfamlies now and at the familytreedna site also shirley admin for Robbins DNA project ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:650 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-06-03 18:43:44 Subject:Re: Robbins DNA site Message: Dale, if that is your kit, you match the group one kits. Not in group 8, which is what it's listing on the FTDNA Robbins page. Should be fixed, in any event. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, Dale Robbins wrote: > > This is me. Dale. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rick > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2013, 23:21:58 > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA site > > > >  > Where is the new site being maintained? I saw that earlier, but lost the link to it... > > Saw this on the old site: > Lumped in with group 8. > kit 166144 Blatchley Robins (Daniel Robins who was married to Sarah Blatchley) who was born in 1772-3, New Jersey, and died in Gainsboro, Lincoln County, Upper Canada in 1814. l. We can find no evidence that Daniel R obins, father of Blatchley ever made it to Canada. There is a Daniel Robins, as well as a Joshua, who appears as having been a prisoner in the British ships in the East River during the Revolutionary War. A lot of those people died in those ships > > Should be removed from group 8, as the DNA from the kit matches. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:651 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-06-04 09:17:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA site Message: Shirley, Thank you for all you do as the Robbins DNA Project Administrator. Your work is appreciated. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: ladyfan3@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA site Dale are you talking about the Robbins DNA web site its at worldfamlies now and at the familytreedna site also shirley admin for Robbins DNA project ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:652 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-06-04 13:27:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA site Message: thank you very much Sara its been hard over the years and its still not all done right I sure miss John who did a lot for me on the site for the Robbins I now have a person who helps but I have not heard from her in a month so now I donât know where she is maybe she quit LOL take care shirley there are suppose to put most of our info on worldfamlies.net but I donât know if they did or not I added a man by the name of Terry Barton to do that so I still donât know but if its not done I will change and not ;et them do it I have worked to hard for them to mess up now take care shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:653 Sender:"Rick" Post Date/Time:2013-06-05 05:41:02 Subject:Re: Robbins DNA site Message: I'd be willing to help if that's at all possible. --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > thank you very much Sara its been hard over the years and its still not all done right I sure miss John who did a lot for me on the > site for the Robbins I now have a person who helps but I have not heard from her in a month so now I donât know where she > is maybe she quit LOL > take care > shirley > > there are suppose to put most of our info on worldfamlies.net but I donât know if they did or not I added > a man by the name of Terry Barton to do that so I still donât know but if its not done I will change and not > ;et them do it I have worked to hard for them to mess up now > take care > shirley > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:654 Sender:pete miller Post Date/Time:2013-06-06 17:56:20 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Still on the green side and turning 78. Kay Robbins Miller turns 75 in a few days but don't tell her I told you. Pete On 5/29/2013 12:33 AM, wunderwoman@... wrote: > > Yep, I'm still here, but in my 80s now. > Bettylou Steadman > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick > *To: *robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* 5/28/2013 7:10:06 PM > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. > > If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by > replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of > your demise to the list so we can include you in the genealogy. > > Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical > hunting! > > Richard > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:655 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2013-06-06 18:56:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Message: Wow, I feel like roller skating, climbing trees, building treeforts, throwing snowballs, putting a playing card on my spokes on my bike, and bugging Mr. Wilson next door..... I am around....old, but younger....... Dorman ________________________________ From: pete miller To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, June 6, 2013 5:56:29 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Still on the green side and turning 78. Kay Robbins Miller turns 75 in a few days but don't tell her I told you. Pete On 5/29/2013 12:33 AM, wunderwoman@... wrote: >Yep, I'm still here, but in my 80s now. > >Bettylou Steadman > > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rick >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: 5/28/2013 7:10:06 PM >>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) >> >> >>I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. >> >>If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by >>replying to this message. if not, provide the date and >>details of your demise to the list so we can include you in >>the genealogy. >> >>Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy >>genealogical hunting! >> >>Richard >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:656 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-06-07 17:10:53 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins DNA Message: new results have been posted to this site for the Robbins . www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/Robbins/results ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:657 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2013-06-09 08:38:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] (unknown) Message: Jerry,  I have Nancy Ann & William in my data base but I am not sure how accurate the info is as the sources are suspect. I'm more than willing to share if you think what I have might be a good lead.  Chris Robbins From: JERRY SCOTT To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:08 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] (unknown)  I would be very happy if anyone has any new research on my 4th great grandmother Nancy Ann Robbins married William Swaim 27 April 1765 Rowan Co. NC Jonathan Robbins, bondsman Other then a few tax list on Jonathan there seems to be no records on this Robbins family Jonathan may be her father, brother. Jonathan and Mathias were wits to the marriage of Rachel Swaim dau of John Swaim brother to William Swaim.  Rowan Co Marriages Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim, Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins John Swaim gave concent, her father 1769. 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins Thanks,Jerry  From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :)   Shirley,  My deepest sympathy on the loss of your daughter. Words can't fill the emptiness left in our hearts on the death of a loved one, especially a child no matter what their age. May God grant you peace.                                                                              Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: Shirley Hawley >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com ; rer.480@... >Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:03 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > >I too am still here, having trouble getting over the death of our oldest daughter of heart failure. Glad to see everyone's notes. Shirley Robbins Hawley > > >From: Mary Robbins >To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" ; "rer.480@..." >Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:06 AM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > >I too am above sod, last Fall I returned to school. I am tracing back from my father in Fayette Co. PA. A couple of years ago I visited the gene. library in Waynesburg PA and they were quite helpful and organized. That lead me to the Pa state archive to look a land patent started by Daniel Robins and completed by Wm. Robins. I can't prove a connection, that has been an exciting lead. Mary in Maryland >Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >From: Rick ; To: ; Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 2:10:04 AM > >I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in th e genealogy. Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! Richard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:658 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2013-06-09 09:28:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] (unknown) Message: Chris, Anything you may have could help this is a brick wall on Nancy Robbins.  Thanks, Jerry ________________________________ From: C ROBBINS To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] (unknown)  Jerry,  I have Nancy Ann & William in my data base but I am not sure how accurate the info is as the sources are suspect. I'm more than willing to share if you think what I have might be a good lead.  Chris Robbins ________________________________ From: JERRY SCOTT To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:08 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] (unknown)  I would be very happy if anyone has any new research on my 4th great grandmother Nancy Ann Robbins married William Swaim 27 April 1765 Rowan Co. NC Jonathan Robbins, bondsman Other then a few tax list on Jonathan there seems to be no records on this Robbins family Jonathan may be her father, brother. Jonathan and Mathias were wits to the marriage of Rachel Swaim dau of John Swaim brother to William Swaim.  Rowan Co Marriages Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim, Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins John Swaim gave concent, her father 1769. 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins Thanks,Jerry  ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :)   Shirley,  My deepest sympathy on the loss of your daughter. Words can't fill the emptiness left in our hearts on the death of a loved one, especially a child no matter what their age. May God grant you peace.                                                                              Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: Shirley Hawley >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com ; rer.480@... >Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:03 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > >I too am still here, having trouble getting over the death of our oldest daughter of heart failure. Glad to see everyone's notes. Shirley Robbins Hawley > > > >________________________________ >From: Mary Robbins >To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" ; "rer.480@..." >Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:06 AM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) > > >I too am above sod, last Fall I returned to school. I am tracing back from my father in Fayette Co. PA. A couple of years ago I visited the gene. library in Waynesburg PA and they were quite helpful and organized. That lead me to the Pa state archive to look a land patent started by Daniel Robins and completed by Wm. Robins. I can't prove a connection, that has been an exciting lead. Mary in Maryland >Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > >________________________________ >From: Rick ; To: ; Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Silence is NOT golden. :) Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 2:10:04 AM > >I'm just curious if anyone here is alive. If you are indeed this side of the green grass, signify by replying to this message. if not, provide the date and details of your demise to the list so we can include you in th e genealogy. Otherwise, have a great summer, everyone. And happy genealogical hunting! Richard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:659 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-06-12 15:47:33 Subject:Fw: Happy Father's Day from FTDNA Message: FamilyTree DNA - Father's Day Sale From: Family Tree DNA Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:39 PM To: ladyfan3@... 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Testimonials Projects Contact Us +1 713-868-1438 +1 832-201-7147 (sales) corporate@... - Unsubscribe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:660 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2013-06-12 19:15:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Message: Hi Jerry, I noticed one of the Rowan Co. deeds you mentioned was for a Christopher Nation. The following deed was abstracted on a web page about William and Ann Hutchinson: http://www.richardshutchinson.com/WilliamAnnHutchinson.htm East Jersey Deed - Book G-3,Pg 412. 1 Jun 1762 Henry Chamberlin, of Amwell, Hunterdon Co., NJ, yeoman, quit claims unto Robert Hutchinson, of Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., NJ, yeoman, for £7,10 shillings, for a tr. of meadow conveyed to Jacob Robins by Christopher Nation on 10 Dec 1748, which sd. Nation received from his father, John Nation by a Power of Attorney, beg. at the n. corner of a tr. of land William Hutchinson, Esqr., bot. of Daniel Robbins, at a ditch in Thomas Claytonâs line and then along sd. Hutchinsonâs line several courses to or opposite the ditch that drains the Clayton meadow, called Jacob Robbinsâ Ditch, and then up the ditch to the beg., being 4 a. Wits.: Benjamin Ward, John Chamberlin. Middlesex - 19 Mar 1774, John Chamberlin appeared bef. Joseph Skelton, Judge, Middlesex Co. Bowes Reed, Sec. Is this the same Christopher Nation who ends up in Rowan Co. NC? If so, this deed gives some hints about which NJ Robbins lived on the adjoining property. But maybe you've already seen it! Tracey On 5/31/2013 3:17 PM, Sara Hoffman wrote:   Jerry,  Thanks so much for adding your information. There's a interesting discussion that took place here with John about Elisha Robbins last year. It may have been one of John's last postings on this forum. Thought I'd mention it in case anyone wanted to revisit it. Kevin is so right on the mark, we have John to thank for all the great work he did on the Robbins of NC, KY, GA, TN along with his involvement with the Robbins DNA. John he told me he was going to publish a work on Levi Robbins of Overton, TN & his descendants & would sent me a copy when completed. I don't think he was able to finish it before his death. His research would be a valuable research tool if placed in a public place like a historical society.                                                                     Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: JERRY SCOTT To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION  Thanks Sara for posting this information. Mr. German told me this before he died. As for Matthew Robbins there are no records on this person other then the 1759 Rowan Tax list with Robbins.  Rowan Co Tax List 1759 Josiah Robins 1 pole  Wm Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 4 poles Wm Robins 1 pole  Matthew Robins 1 pole  John Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 1 pole  I did find that Jonathan Robbins married Lydia Ledford daughter of William Ledford who died in 1796 in Rabdolph NC and had Lydia Robbins in his Will  William Ledford had 300 acres of land in Rowan Co that was  formerly owned  by Jonathan Robins. In 1768 Rowan Tax list Mark Lot with Jonathan Robbins  1768 Rowan Co Tax List of William Spurgin Jonathan Robins and Mark Lot 2 poles Mark Lot married Mary Ledford 28 Aug 1769 Rowan NC William Ledford BM,grandfather  father; John Ledford  William Ledford was also bondsman for William Swaim & Nancy Ann Robbins Rowan Co, NC Marriage Bonds Pt 2 FHLbook William SWAIM & Ann ROBBINS md 27 Apr 1765 Bondsmen: William LEDFORD & Jonathan ROBBINS Witness: William FROHOCK    From Records Richard Robbins had at least 4 sons, Richards, Jr Jacob, Isaac and William Richard Robbins was a Wits to the Will of Joseph Robbins who died in 1754 grandson of Daniel Robbins.  1751 Granville Co Tax list Richard, Isaac, Jacob-3 appears to be sons of Richard Isaac and Jacob at least 16 years old births 1735  Richard had land deeds with Elisha Robbins;  Abstracts of Deeds of Rowan Co. North Carolina 1753-1785 9 Jan. 1761 Granville to Richard Robins for 10 sh. proc 640 acres in Rowan W. Lucas, W. Churton Provd; Oct Court 1762 10 Sept 1764 Richard Robins to James Davis for f 100 proc 640 acres on Muddy Creek of Deep River, Christopher Nation, Samuel, Ozbun, Prvd; Oct. Court 1766. 11 Feb 1769 Richard Robins, Sr. to Richard Robins, Jr. for f40 an improvement on Abbotts Creek called Hunts Fork and livestock Christopher Nation Prvd. May Court 1769. Misc Land Office Lord Granville Richard Robins plat dated 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan Co. on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deed River on both sides of the branch of the said creek CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrent Dated 1 Dec 1753 Miscellaneous Land office payers Lord Granville, NC State Archives Elisha Robins dated 1 Dec 1753 to James Carter to survey 640 acres in Rowan on Muddy Creek entering into deep river and on the month of second branch entered into the sd Creek s/ Fras Corbin, Entered 7 Feb 1752. Back of Document reads Executed Eljha Robins         From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION  After my last post I thought about the basis for Dr. R. Lanier Jones' work. I believe the origin was J.M. Robbins who to my knowledge offered no sources. A family group sheet for Matthew Robbins & Bethiah Nation, their daughter Nancy Ann Robbins & sons Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins was published in the " Robbins Journal" April 1990 Vol. I, No.4, pg. 10, Kevin K. Mittge, Editor. The source given was J.M. Robbins. This is the J.M. Robbins who supposely authored the Wales origin for a group of Robbins in NC. Most of the members here know John German spent years disputing this theory & finally through DNA testing it was found to be inaccurate. Although the DNA provided proof some researchers still had/have a difficult time accepting the results. Why any reliable researcher would want to ignore DNA evidence is a puzzle to me? It would be great to have DNA from the Matthew Robbins line. I suspect he is a Daniel Robinson/Robins descendant.                                                                                   Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION  Jerry, US & International Marriage Records 1560-1900 at ancestry.com has Matthew Robbins married to Bethiah Nation 1750 in NC. We know from the will of John Nation his daughter Bethiah was married to a Robins. The parentage of Matthew Robbins is unknown. He wasn't the son of Elisha & Mary Wade Robins or born in Wales according to research done by John German. John was uncertain about Matthew & Bethiah's marriage. Probably because he was unable to locate an official document for it. John was very thorough & if he couldn't find a record, most likely it doesn't exist. I have a file compiled by Dr R. Lanier Jones on June 27, 1997. Dr Jones records Nancy Ann Robbins was the daughter of Matthew & Bethiah Nation Robbins. He has several children attached to Matthew & Bethiah, among them Nancy Ann Robbins who married William Swaim, Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins. If Dr Jones' work is accurate then it's possible the Jonathan Robbins named as bondsman on 4-27-1765 was Nancy Ann's brother. Jonathan & Matthew/Mathias Robbins who were witnesses to the marriage of Rachel Swaim would be Nancy Ann's brothers. I can't verify the accuracy of these relationships or the work of Dr. Jones. However, it may provide some clues for you to follow. Has any DNA testing had been done on this line of Matthew Robbins? Sara --- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: > > > I don't know if this helps or not but I have Elizabeth VICKREY (11 May 1750 > Frederick Co, VA - 3 Sep 1833 Randolph (was Rowan) Co, NC) married John > SWAIM 19 May 1767 Rowan Co, NC. > > John SWAIM (26 Apr 1748 Frederick Co, VA - 16 Jan 1827 Randolph Co, NC) son > of Michael SWAIM & Martha WORTHINGTON. > > John & Elizabeth had children: Massah, William G, Joshua, Christopher > Columbus, John, Elizabeth, Ashley, Marmaduke, Charity, Moses & Michael.C > > Elizabeth VICKREY daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. > > Elizabeth NATION (c1720 Monmouth Co, NJ - c1788 Randolph Co, NC) married > 1st Peter SWAIM (b c1710) in Frederick Co, VA & 2nd Marmaduke VICKREY in > Frederick Co, VA. > > Marmaduke VICKREY son of Hezekiah VICKREY & Mercy HOLLAND. > > All of the above info came from Wyndham Clampett . > > Sara Hoffman can speak better to the following: > > Elizabeth NATION daughter of John NATION & Bathiah ROBINS (c1702 - c1777). > > Bathiah ROBINS daughter of Joseph ROBINS & Hanna PACK. > > > > > > Posted by: "JERRY SCOTT" jerryscott572@... jerryscott572@... > > Date: Wed May 29, 2013 2:08 pm ((PDT)) > > > > I would be very happy if anyone has any new research on my 4th great grandmother Nancy Ann Robbins married William Swaim 27 April 1765 Rowan Co. NC Jonathan Robbins, bondsman > > Other then a few tax list on Jonathan there seems to be no records on this Robbins family > > Jonathan may be her father, brother. Jonathan and Mathias were wits to the marriage ofà> > Rachel Swaim dau of John Swaim brother to William Swaim. > > àRowan Co Marriages > > Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim, Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins > > John Swaim gave concent, her father 1769. > > 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins > > 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins > > 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins > > à> > à> > Thanks,Jerry > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:661 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2013-06-13 05:04:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Message: Tracey,  I'm not sure about this deed.  From what I have on the Robbins only Joseph who married Eleanor Nation and John Nation married Betheah Robbins were the only Robbins and Nations that migrated to Virginia FROM NJ by about 1733. They are also the only Robbins and Nation in Rowan by 1751-54 per tax list.  I am thinking I agree with John German about Richard Robbins as the brother to Joseph Robbins who died in Rowan in 1754 and Richard was a witness to his Will.  Richard Robbins only had 4 proven sons Isaac, Jacob, Michael and Richard, Jr and believe he also had John, William, James, Matthew and possible Elisha. These were the Robbins on the Tax list in 1759-1761 with the Nations and Victorys who intermarried with the Robbins and Nations and always CC and witness to deeds.  Joseph Robbins per Will only had William, Joseph John.  Richard Robbins was very possible the unborn child of Joseph and Anna Packe per his Will. We know that Richard was in Frederick Co with Joseph Robbins and John Nation per John German research. If you add the DNA it seems to confirm the research, without needed Sources.        ________________________________ From: Tracey Marcelo To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION  Hi Jerry, I noticed one of the Rowan Co. deeds you mentioned was for a Christopher Nation. The following deed was abstracted on a web page about William and Ann Hutchinson: http://www.richardshutchinson.com/WilliamAnnHutchinson.htm East Jersey Deed - Book G-3,Pg 412. 1 Jun 1762 Henry Chamberlin, of Amwell, Hunterdon Co., NJ, yeoman, quit claims unto Robert Hutchinson, of Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., NJ, yeoman, for £7,10 shillings, for a tr. of meadow conveyed to Jacob Robins by Christopher Nation on 10 Dec 1748, which sd. Nation received from his father, John Nation by a Power of Attorney, beg. at the n. corner of a tr. of land William Hutchinson, Esqr., bot. of Daniel Robbins, at a ditch in Thomas Claytonâs line and then along sd. Hutchinsonâs line several courses to or opposite the ditch that drains the Clayton meadow, called Jacob Robbinsâ Ditch, and then up the ditch to the beg., being 4 a. Wits.: Benjamin Ward, John Chamberlin. Middlesex - 19 Mar 1774, John Chamberlin appeared bef. Joseph Skelton, Judge, Middlesex Co. Bowes Reed, Sec. Is this the same Christopher Nation who ends up in Rowan Co. NC? If so, this deed gives some hints about which NJ Robbins lived on the adjoining property. But maybe you've already seen it! Tracey On 5/31/2013 3:17 PM, Sara Hoffman wrote:  > >Jerry, > >Thanks so much for adding your information. There's a interesting discussion that took place here with John about Elisha Robbins last year. It may have been one of John's last postings on this forum. Thought I'd m ention it in case anyone wanted to revisit it. Kevin is so right on the mark, we have John to thank for all the great work he did on the Robbins of NC, KY, GA, TN along with his involvement with the Robbins DNA. John  he told me he was going to publish a work on Levi Robbins of Overton, TN & his descendants & would sent me a copy when completed. I don't think he was able to finish it before his death. His research would be a valuable research tool if placed in a public place like a historical society. >                                                                    Sara >----- Original Message ----- >>From: JERRY SCOTT >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:38 AM >>Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION >> >>  >> >>Thanks Sara for posting this information. Mr. German told me this before he died. >>As for Matthew Robbins there are no records on this person other then the 1759 Rowan Tax list with Robbins. >> Rowan Co Tax List 1759 >>Josiah Robins 1 pole >> >>Wm Robins 1 pole >>Richard Robins 4 poles >>Wm Robins 1 pole >> >>Matthew Robins 1 pole >> >>John Robins 1 pole >>Richard Robins 1 pole >> >>I did find that Jonathan Robbins married Lydia Ledford daughter of William Ledford >>who died in 1796 in Rabdolph NC and had Lydia Robbins in his Will >>William Ledford had 300 acres of land in Rowan Co that was >> >>formerly owned  by Jonathan Robins. >>In 1768 Rowan Tax list Mark Lot with Jonathan Robbins >>1768 Rowan Co Tax List of William Spurgin >>Jonathan Robins and Mark Lot 2 poles >>Mark Lot married Mary Ledford 28 Aug 1769 Rowan NC >>William Ledford BM,grandfather  father; John Ledford >> >>William Ledford was also bondsman for William Swaim & Nancy Ann Robbins Rowan Co, NC Marriage Bonds Pt 2 FHLbook >>William SWAIM & Ann ROBBINS md 27 Apr 1765 >>Bondsmen: William LEDFORD & Jonathan ROBBINS >>Witness: William FROHOCK >> >> >> >>From Records Richard Robbins had at least 4 sons, Richards, Jr Jacob, Isaac and William >>Richard Robbins was a Wits to the Will of Joseph Robbins who died in 1754 grandson of Daniel Robbins. >> 1751 Granville Co Tax list Richard, Isaac, Jacob-3 appears to be sons of Richard >>Isaac and Jacob at least 16 years old births 1735 >> >>Richard had land deeds with Elisha Robbins; >>Abstracts of Deeds of Rowan Co. North Carolina 1753-1785 >>9 Jan. 1761 Granville to Richard Robins for 10 sh. proc 640 acres in Rowan W. Lucas, W. Churton Provd; Oct Court 1762 >>10 Sept 1764 Richard Robins to James Davis for f 100 proc 640 >>acres on Muddy Creek of Deep River, Christopher Nation, Samuel, >>Ozbun, Prvd; Oct. Court 1766. >>11 Feb 1769 Richard Robins, Sr. to Richard Robins, Jr. for f40 an improvement on Abbotts Creek called Hunts Fork and livestock Christopher Nation Prvd. May Court 1769. >>Misc Land Office Lord Granville >>Richard Robins plat dated 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan Co. on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deed River on both sides of the branch of the said creek CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrent >>Dated 1 Dec 1753 >>Miscellaneous Land office payers Lord Granville, NC State Archives >>Elisha Robins dated 1 Dec 1753 to James Carter to survey 640 acres in Rowan on Muddy >>Creek entering into deep river and on the month of second branch entered into the sd Creek >>s/ Fras Corbin, Entered 7 Feb 1752. Back of Document reads Executed Eljha Robins >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>From: Sara Hoffman mailto:july37@... >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:19 PM >>Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION >> >> >>After my last post I thought about the basis for Dr. R. Lanier Jones' work. I believe the origin was J.M. Robbins who to my knowledge offered no sources. A family group sheet for Matthew Robbins & Bethiah Nation , their daughter Nancy Ann Robbins & sons Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins was published in the " Robbins Journal" April 1990 Vol. I, No.4, pg. 10, Kevin K. Mittge, Editor. The source given was J.M. Robbins. This is the J.M. Robbins who supposely authored the Wales origin for a group of Robbins in NC. Most of the members here know John German spent years disputing this theory & finally through DNA testing it was found to be inaccurate. Although the DNA provided proof some researchers still had/have a difficult time accepting the results. Why any reliable researcher would want to ignore DNA evidence is a puzzle to me? It would be great to have DNA from the Matthew Robbins line. I suspect he is a Daniel Robinson/Robins descendant. >>                                                                                  Sara >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Sara >>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:35 AM >>>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION >>> >>>  >>>Jerry, US & International Marriage Records 1560-1900 at ancestry.com has Matthew Robbins married to Bethiah Nation 1750 in NC. We know from the will of John Nation his daughter Bethiah was married to a Robins. The p arentage of Matthew Robbins is unknown. He wasn't the son of Elisha & Mary Wade Robins or born in Wales according to research done by John German. John was uncertain about Matthew & Bethiah's marriage. Probably because he was unable to locate an official document for it. John was very thorough & if he couldn't find a record, most likely it doesn't exist. I have a file compiled by Dr R. Lanier Jones on June 27, 1997. Dr Jones records Nancy Ann Robbins was the daughter of Matthew & Bethiah Nation Robbins. He has several children attached to Matthew & Bethiah, among them Nancy Ann Robbins who married William Swaim, Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins. If Dr Jones' work is accurate then it's possible the Jonathan Robbins named as bondsman on 4-27-1765 was Nancy Ann's brother. Jonathan & Matthew/Mathias Robbins who were witnesses to the marriage of Rachel Swaim would be Nancy Ann's brothers. I can't verify the accuracy of these relationships or the work of Dr. Jones. However, it may provide some clues for you to follow. Has any DNA testing had been done on this line of Matthew Robbins? Sara --- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake mailto:mlake @... wrote: > > > I don't know if this helps or not but I have Elizabeth VICKREY (11 May 1750 > Frederick Co, VA - 3 Sep 1833 Randolph (was Rowan) Co, NC) married John > SWAIM 19 May 1767 Rowan Co, NC. > > John SWAI M (26 Apr 1748 Frederick Co, VA - 16 Jan 1827 Randolph Co, NC) son > of Michael SWAIM & Martha WORTHINGTON. > > John & Elizabeth had children: Massah, William G, Joshua, Christopher > Columbus, John, Elizabeth, Ashle y, Marmaduke, Charity, Moses & Michael.C > > Elizabeth VICKREY daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. > > Elizabeth NATION (c1720 Monmouth Co, NJ - c1788 Randolph Co, NC) married > 1st Peter SWAIM (b c1710) in Frederick Co, VA & 2nd Marmaduke VICKREY in > Frederick Co, VA. > > Marmaduke VICKREY son of Hezekiah VICKREY & Mercy HOLLAND. > > All of the above info came from Wyndham Clampett mailto:webmaster@.... > > Sara Hoffman can speak better to the following: > > Elizabeth NATION daughter of John NA TION & Bathiah ROBINS (c1702 - c1777). > > Bathiah ROBINS daughter of Joseph ROBINS & Hanna PACK. > > > > > > Posted by: "JERRY SCOTT" jerryscott572@... jerryscott572@... > > Date: Wed May 29, 2013 2:08 pm ((PDT)) > > > > I would be very happy if anyone has any new research on my 4th great grandmother Nancy Ann Robbins married William Swaim 27 April 1765 Rowan Co. NC Jonathan Robbins, bondsman > > Other then a few tax list on Jon athan there seems to be no records on this Robbins family > > Jonathan may be her father, brother. Jonathan and Mathias were wits to the marriage ofà> > Rachel Swaim dau of John Swaim brother to William Swaim. > > àRowan Co Marriages > > Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim, Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins > > John Swaim gave concent, her father 1769. > > 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins > > 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins > > 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins > > à> > à> > T hanks,Jerry > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:662 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-06-16 13:26:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION Message: Are Robbins, NC, Robbinsville, NC, and Robbins, Tennessee named for Daniel's descendants? ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 31 May 2013, 16:17:10 Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION   Jerry,  Thanks so much for adding your information. There's a interesting discussion that took place here with John about Elisha Robbins last year. It may have been one of John's last postings on this forum. Thought I'd mention it in case anyone wanted to revisit it. Kevin is so right on the mark, we have John to thank for all the great work he did on the Robbins of NC, KY, GA, TN along with his involvement with the Robbins DNA. John he told me he was going to publish a work on Levi Robbins of Overton, TN & his descendants & would sent me a copy when completed. I don't think he was able to finish it before his death. His research would be a valuable research tool if placed in a public place like a historical society.                                                                     Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: JERRY SCOTT >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 11:38 AM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION > > >Thanks Sara for posting this information. Mr. German told me this before he died. >As for Matthew Robbins there are no records on this person other then the 1759 Rowan Tax list with Robbins. > Rowan Co Tax List 1759 >Josiah Robins 1 pole > >Wm Robins 1 pole >Richard Robins 4 poles >Wm Robins 1 pole >Matthew Robins 1 pole > >John Robins 1 pole >Richard Robins 1 pole > >I did find that Jonathan Robbins married Lydia Ledford daughter of William Ledford >who died in 1796 in Rabdolph NC and had Lydia Robbins in his Will > William Ledford had 300 acres of land in Rowan Co that was >formerly owned  by Jonathan Robins. >In 1768 Rowan Tax list Mark Lot with Jonathan Robbins > 1768 Rowan Co Tax List of William Spurgin >Jonathan Robins and Mark Lot 2 poles >Mark Lot married Mary Ledford 28 Aug 1769 Rowan NC >William Ledford BM,grandfather  father; John Ledford > >William Ledford was also bondsman for William Swaim & Nancy Ann RobbinsRowan Co, NC Marriage Bonds Pt 2 FHLbook >William SWAIM & Ann ROBBINS md 27 Apr 1765 >Bondsmen: William LEDFORD & Jonathan ROBBINS >Witness: William FROHOCK > > > >From Records Richard Robbins had at least 4 sons, Richards, Jr Jacob, Isaac and William >Richard Robbins was a Wits to the Will of Joseph Robbins who died in 1754 grandson of Daniel Robbins. > 1751 Granville Co Tax list Richard, Isaac, Jacob-3 appears to be sons of Richard >Isaac and Jacob at least 16 years old births 1735 > >Richard had land deeds with Elisha Robbins; > Abstracts of Deeds of Rowan Co. North Carolina 1753-1785 >9 Jan. 1761 Granville to Richard Robins for 10 sh. proc 640 acres in Rowan W. Lucas, W. Churton Provd; Oct Court 1762 >10 Sept 1764 Richard Robins to James Davis for f 100 proc 640 >acres on Muddy Creek of Deep River, Christopher Nation, Samuel, >Ozbun, Prvd; Oct. Court 1766. >11 Feb 1769 Richard Robins, Sr. to Richard Robins, Jr. for f40 an improvement on Abbotts Creek called Hunts Fork and livestock Christopher Nation Prvd. May Court 1769. >Misc Land Office Lord Granville >Richard Robins plat dated 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan Co. on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deed River on both sides of the branch of the said creek CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrent >Dated 1 Dec 1753 >Miscellaneous Land office payers Lord Granville, NC State Archives >Elisha Robins dated 1 Dec 1753 to James Carter to survey 640 acres in Rowan on Muddy >Creek entering into deep river and on the month of second branch entered into the sd Creek >s/ Fras Corbin, Entered 7 Feb 1752. Back of Document reads Executed Eljha Robins > > > > > > > > >From: Sara Hoffman >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:19 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION > > >After my last post I thought about the basis for Dr. R. Lanier Jones' work. I believe the origin was J.M. Robbins who to my knowledge offered no sources. A family group sheet for Matthew Robbins & Bethiah Nati on, their daughter Nancy Ann Robbins & sons Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins was published in the " Robbins Journal" April 1990 Vol. I, No.4, pg. 10, Kevin K. Mittge, Editor. The source given was J.M. Robbins. This is the J.M. Robbins who supposely authored the Wales origin for a group of Robbins in NC. Most of the members here know John German spent years disputing this theory & finally through DNA testing it was found to be inaccurate. Although the DNA provided proof some researchers still had/have a difficult time accepting the results. Why any reliable researcher would want to ignore DNA evidence is a puzzle to me? It would be great to have DNA from the Matthew Robbins line. I suspect he is a Daniel Robinson/Robins descendant. >                                                                                  Sara >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Sara >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:35 AM >>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: SWAIM, ROBINS, NATION >> >> >>Jerry, >> >>US & International Marriage Records 1560-1900 at ancestry.com has Matthew Robbins married to Bethiah Nation 1750 in NC. We know from the will of John Nation his daughter Bethiah was married to a Robins. The parentage of Matthew Robbins is unknown. He wasn't the son of Elisha & Mary Wade Robins or born in Wales according to research done by John German. John was uncertain about Matthew & Bethiah's marriage. Probably because he was unable to locate an official document for it. John was very thorough & if he couldn't find a record, most likely it doesn't exist. >> >>I have a file compiled by Dr R. Lanier Jones on June 27, 1997. Dr Jones records Nancy Ann Robbins was the daughter of Matthew & Bethiah Nation Robbins. He has several children attached to Matthew & Bethiah, among them Nancy Ann Robbins who married William Swaim, Jonathan Robbins & Matthew Robbins. >> >>If Dr Jones' work is accurate then it's possible the Jonathan Robbins named as bondsman on 4-27-1765 was Nancy Ann's brother. Jonathan & Matthew/Mathias Robbins who were witnesses to the marriage of Rachel Swaim would be Nancy Ann's brothers. I can't verify the accuracy of these relationships or the work of Dr. Jones. However, it may provide some clues for you to follow. >>Has any DNA testing had been done on this line of Matthew Robbins? >> >>Sara >> >>--- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, Marshall Lake wrote: >>> >>> >>> I don't know if this helps or not but I have Elizabeth VICKREY (11 May 1750 >>> Frederick Co, VA - 3 Sep 1833 Randolph (was Rowan) Co, NC) married John >>> SWAIM 19 May 1767 Rowan Co, NC. >>> >>> John SWAIM (26 Apr 1748 Frederick Co, VA - 16 Jan 1827 Randolph Co, NC) son >>> of Michael SWAIM & Martha WORTHINGTON. >>> >>> John & Elizabeth had children: Massah, William G, Joshua, Christopher >>> Columbus, John, Elizabeth, Ashley, Marmaduke, Charity, Moses & Michael.C >>> >>> Elizabeth VICKREY daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. >>> >>> Elizabeth NATION (c1720 Monmouth Co, NJ - c1788 Randolph Co, NC) married >>> 1st Peter SWAIM (b c1710) in Frederick Co, VA & 2nd Marmaduke VICKREY in >>> Frederick Co, VA. >>> >>> Marmaduke VICKREY son of Hezekiah VICKREY & Mercy HOLLAND. >>> >>> All of the above info came from Wyndham Clampett . >>> >>> Sara Hoffman can speak better to the following: >>> >>> Elizabeth NATION daughter of John NATION & Bathiah ROBINS (c1702 - c1777). >>> >>> Bathiah ROBINS daughter of Joseph ROBINS & Hanna PACK. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Posted by: "JERRY SCOTT" jerryscott572@... jerryscott572@... >>> > Date: Wed May 29, 2013 2:08 pm ((PDT)) >>> > >>> > I would be very happy if anyone has any new research on my 4th great grandmother Nancy Ann Robbins married William Swaim 27 April 1765 Rowan Co. NC Jonathan Robbins, bondsman >>> > Other then a few tax list on Jonathan there seems to be no records on this Robbins family >>> > Jonathan may be her father, brother. Jonathan and Mathias were wits to the marriage ofà>>> > Rachel Swaim dau of John Swaim brother to William Swaim. >>> > àRowan Co Marriages >>> > Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim, Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins >>> > John Swaim gave concent, her father 1769. >>> > 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins >>> > 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins >>> > 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins >>> > à>>> > à>>> > Thanks,Jerry >>> >>> -- >>> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net/ >>> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:663 Sender:"Sara" Post Date/Time:2013-06-16 17:37:40 Subject:Who was Sincy Robins? Message: The origin of Sincy Robins b. 1750 is supposedly Ireland based on an elusive Bible record. I've heard of the Bible record but never seen a copy of the original or a transcript from it. Sincy Robins b. abt. 1750 d. 1777 in PA. He is said to be the father of Joshua Robins b. 10-16-1779 in NJ & d. 2-27-1837 Lycoming, PA. Joshua's wife was Jane Dildine b. 1782 NJ & d. 1865 Lycoming, PA. The early Dildine family were descendants of Johann Dildine who settled in Hunterdon Co about 1736. Was Joshua the son of Sincy Robins? Is Sincy Robins a mythical person? With no documentation for the Sincy Robins Ireland connection, it appears to me like there's a possibility Joshua could be a Daniel Robins descendant. Couldn't find any DNA testing for this line. Hopefully a candidate will be located. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:664 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-06-16 20:57:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Who was Sincy Robins? Message: The death date of Sincy Robins is unknown. It can't be 1777 if he was the father of Joshua born in 1779. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:37 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Who was Sincy Robins? The origin of Sincy Robins b. 1750 is supposedly Ireland based on an elusive Bible record. I've heard of the Bible record but never seen a copy of the original or a transcript from it. Sincy Robins b. abt. 1750 d. 1777 in PA. He is said to be the father of Joshua Robins b. 10-16-1779 in NJ & d. 2-27-1837 Lycoming, PA. Joshua's wife was Jane Dildine b. 1782 NJ & d. 1865 Lycoming, PA. The early Dildin e family were descendants of Johann Dildine who settled in Hunterdon Co about 1736. Was Joshua the son of Sincy Robins? Is Sincy Robins a mythical person? With no documentation for the Sincy Robins Ireland connection, i t appears to me like there's a possibility Joshua could be a Daniel Robins descendant. Couldn't find any DNA testing for this line. Hopefully a candidate will be located. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:665 Sender:"peg0304" Post Date/Time:2013-06-17 11:45:02 Subject:help with files Message: Hi, all. I would appreciate some help with opening files. I hate to show how dumb I am, but the files that are http, such as the 1718 New Haven colony deeds are unreadable on my Vista machine. Or maybe I just can't figure out what to use to open them with? I have downloaded several but can't figure out how to read them. Thanks, Peggy robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:666 Sender:"wunderwoman@..." Post Date/Time:2013-06-17 12:30:08 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with files Message: Peggy, I don't know if this will work for you, but I sometimes receive links to open that start with http and they won't open for me. I find if I delete the http and whatever comes after it, like /:, for example, and substitu te "www." or leave the "www." if it's already there, then I can usually open the link by clicking on it. I hope this helps. Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: peg0304 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 6/17/2013 11:45:04 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with files Hi, all. I would appreciate some help with opening files. I hate to show how dumb I am, but the files that are http, such as the 1718 New Haven colony deeds are unreadable on my Vista machine. Or maybe I just can't figure out wh at to use to open them with? I have downloaded several but can't figure out how to read them. Thanks, Peggy robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:667 Sender:"peg0304" Post Date/Time:2013-06-17 14:03:36 Subject:issues with files opening Message: Betty, Thanks. I guess I'm confused (not too unusual). The problem I'm having is with the files which have a little turquoise symbol inthe box next to them when I click on the files link on the left side of the Robbins Famil y society page. If I look at 'properties' for that file, it says hyper text protocol. I just noticed that one of the files that I CAN open also says the same thing under properties, so my assertion that the problem wa s with http is just crazy. An example of a file that I CAN open is Miller Robbins Rev. War papers. When I click on that, it comes up with the options 'open' or 'save'. When I click on a file with the little turquoise symbol, the options are 'save' or 'cancel'. I don't see http in the file name - just fp2.something. Do you ever have issues with downloads not having the 'open ' option? Anyway, if I choose save, and then choose open, I'm required to pick a program to open it with. I tried Notebook and a few other word processors, with no luck. Thanks for your reply! Peggy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:668 Sender:"peg0304" Post Date/Time:2013-06-17 15:06:51 Subject:aha! Message: Betty and all, I got it. I had to choose file type internet explorer to open it. Thanks. Peggy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:669 Sender:"wunderwoman@..." Post Date/Time:2013-06-17 15:23:43 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] issues with files opening Message: Sorry I wasn't much help to you, Peggy, but I suspect there is someone out there who can help you but hasn't seen your message yet. I am NOT a "whiz" on the computer. I just know enough to get by, basically. Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: peg0304 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 6/17/2013 2:03:38 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] issues with files opening Betty, Thanks. I guess I'm confused (not too unusual). The problem I'm having is with the files which have a little turquoise symbol inthe box next to them when I click on the files link on the left side of the Robbins Family society page. If I look at 'properties' for that file, it says hyper text protocol. I just noticed that one of the files that I CAN open also says the same thing under properties, so my assertion that the problem was wi th http is just crazy. An example of a file that I CAN open is Miller Robbins Rev. War papers. When I click on that, it comes up with the options 'open' or 'save'. When I click on a file with the little turquoise symbol, the options are 'save' or 'cancel'. I don't see http in the file name - just fp2.something. Do you ever have issues with downloads not having the 'open' o ption? Anyway, if I choose save, and then choose open, I'm required to pick a program to open it with. I tried Notebook and a few other word processors, with no luck. Thanks for your reply! Peggy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:670 Sender:"wunderwoman@..." Post Date/Time:2013-06-17 15:36:48 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] aha! Message: Peggy, That would have been my guess, and I started to tell you that and then I realized that not everyone uses Internet Explorer, so I decided to let someone else figure it out. I am glad it all worked out for you. Bettylou ----- Original Message ----- From: peg0304 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: 6/17/2013 3:06:54 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] aha! Betty and all, I got it. I had to choose file type internet explorer to open it. Thanks. Peggy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:671 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2013-06-17 16:35:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with files Message: Glad you figured it out Peggy. I'd also recommend you transition to either Firefox or Google Chrome for your browser. Each one is more friendly with the modern Web and will automatically open most file types. Cheers! On Monday, June 17, 2013, wunderwoman@... wrote: > ** > > > Peggy, > > I don't know if this will work for you, but I sometimes receive links to > open that start with http and they won't open for me. I find if I delete > the http and whatever comes after it, like /:, for example, and substitute > "www." or leave the "www." if it's already there, then I can usually open > the link by clicking on it. I hope this helps. > > Bettylou > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* peg0304 > *To: *robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com 'robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com');> > *Sent:* 6/17/2013 11:45:04 AM > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] help with files > > > > Hi, all. > I would appreciate some help with opening files. 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Testimonials Projects Contact Us +1 713-868-1438 (main) +1 832-201-7147 (fax) corporate@... - Unsubscribe - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:673 Sender:"Jerry Scott" Post Date/Time:2013-07-01 09:17:22 Subject:RICHARD ROBBINS SONS FROM TAX LIST LAND DEED; ROWAN 1751-1770 Message: Per Tax list and land Deeds in Rowan Co NC I see these as the sons of Richard Robbins; Elisha 1732 died young, disappear from records William, 1733 Isaac, 1735 Jacob 1735, Matthew 1740 died young disappears from records Richard 1737, Mathias 1743. James 1743, Jonathan 1743 Richard Robbins 1751 tax list; Isaac, Jacob at least 16 born 1735 1758 Tax payers of Rowan Joseph, Richard, Jr William 1759 Tax payers John, Josiah, Matthew, Richard, William 1759 Tax list Josiah 1 pole William 1pole Richard 4 pole- I believe these to be three sons of Richard on 1759 Tax list; Mathias, Jonathan. and James Matthew 1 pole John 1pole Richard 1 pole 1761 Tax payers Isaac, William, Mathias, Michael, Richard 1761 Tax List' Mathias 1 pole Isaac I pole Richard and Michael 2 poles 1768 Tax payers Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Michael, Richard, James, William son John Only have Wm Spurglin District 1768; Jonathan and Mark Lot- 2 poles 1770 Tax Payers William and son John, Jacob, James, John, Jonathan, Joseph, Mathias 1779- Randolph, Co NC Tax list Christopher, Isaac, Jacob, James, John, Joseph, Michael, Richard, William, William, Jr. Richman ? Lands Deeds of Richard, William, Isaac, Michael, Elisha, The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4798- Christopher Nation, 11 May 1757 216 acres in Rowan Co in the Pariah of St Luke on both sides of Polcat Creek, joining Marmaduke Kimborough s/ Christopher Nation, Wits; W. Churton, John McGee, surveyed 30 Apri l 1754 William Thorbrough, Edward Thornbrough, Jas Carter Dep Survr 4799- John Nation 23 May 1758 401 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of Polecat Creek, joining Harmon Cox Bullars line and both sides of the middle fork of the said Creek s/ John Nation Wits; W.Churton, John Long, entered 21 Feb 1757 surveyed 31 Aug 1757 SCC; Christopher Nation, William Robins, W Churton Survr Plat reads a tract of land for Capt Nation. 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W . Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaac. 4930- William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 562 acres in Rowan in the Parish of St Luke on the south branch of Muddy Creek which is the water of Deep river joining a branch and both sides of ye main Branch s/ mark Wits; Jas Watson, George Herndon, examined by W. Churton and Wm Matthews surveyed 25 Aug 1756 SCC; Isaac Robins, Michal Robbins 4943-Marmaduke Vickry 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of the deep River joining a bent of ye River s/ mark Wits; W Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 1757 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins, W. Churton survr. 4859-Richard Robins 9 Jan 1761 640 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke s/ Richard Robins Wits W. Churton, John McGee examined by Wm Matthews and W. Chuston Plat is missing. Abstracts of the Deeds of Rowan, North Carolina 1754-1785 Vols 1-106;161. 11 Sept 1764 Thomas Lamb shopkeeper and wife Sarah to Henry Powell for f12 proc. 126 acres Adj. Benjamin Beeson Henry Powell and Joseph Camess granted by Granville 21 Dec 1764 Christopher Nation, Richard Robins Proved July Court 1765. Elisha Robins dated 1 Dec 1753 to James Carter to survey 640 acres in Rowan on Muddy Creek entering into deep river and on the month of second branch entered into the sd Creek s/ Fras Corbin, Entered 7 Feb 1752. Back of Document reads Executed Elisha Robins Richard Robins plat 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deep River and on both sides of the second branch of the sd creek CC Marmaduke Vickory, William Robbins, Warrant dated 1 Dec 1753. I see these as the sons of Joseph Robbins who died in 1754; Will witnessed by Richard Abstracts of The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions Rowan NC 1763-1774 by Jo White Lynn John Robbins 302 acres 16 Feb 1763 Joseph Robbins 202 acres 16 Feb 1763 William Robbins 200 acres 14 Feb 1763 Deed from Joseph Robbins and wf Alice to Abram Woodward for 202 acres 2 April 1770 Deed From William Robbins and wf Elizabeth to Victor Thompson for 200 acres 7 Mar 1779 Deed John Robbins and wife to Wm Robbins for 202 acres 15-16 Feb 1768 proved by Wm Millican Deed from John Robbins and wife Rachel to Thomas Little for 100 acres 28 Sept 1766 proved by Wm Millican, Esqr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:674 Sender:"Jerry Scott" Post Date/Time:2013-07-09 07:53:01 Subject:Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ Message: Looking for information on this Richard and Anne Race who married in Monmouth NJ. Other marriage records in the same time line was Leah Clayton to Joseph Robbins dau of Moses son of Daniel 29 Mar 1732 Monmouth, NJ Sarah Robbins to Cornelius Everingham Aug 8 1728 possible dau of Nathaniel son of Daniel Zachariah Robbins m/ Mary Clayton abt 1730 son of Moses son of Daniel Mary not in father's Will research of others These Clayton sisters were the daughters of Zebulen Clayton who sold land to Joseph Robbins and witness to his Will in 1709 when Joseph died A few year later is when John Nation and wife Bethiah Robbins with Joseph Robbins brother to Bethiah migrated to Virginia all in Rowan Co NC by 1753, Could this be Richard in Rowan, NC ? I'm thinking that Richard was po ssible the father to Mathias, Jonathan, and Nancy Ann Robbins his younger children all born before 1750. from records its seems that William and Elisha were his oldest sons b/ 1731-33 If anyone has any records from Rowan Co NC from 1753 to 1770 might be helpful in sorting out these Rowan Co Robbins, Thanks, Jerry Will of 1742 Ang. 23 Cleayton Zebulon of Upper Freehold township yeoman will of Wife Mary Children Thomas John Margaret and Leah Robins wife of Joseph Robins Granddaughter not named daughter of son Zebulon Clayton deceased Executors wife and son Thomas Witnesses Thomas Cox James McKeand Thomas David and Robert Laurence Thomas Cox witness Executors Quakers Proved May 24 1744 Lib 6 p 28 1744 Ap ril 16 Inventory of the estate 160.14 0 incl a negro woman and girl made by Jacob Robins and Benjamin Lawrence CALENDAR OF WILLS I73O I75O 99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:675 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-07-09 09:07:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ Message: Jerry, John German had a theory about Richard Robins who married Ann Race in Burlington Co. in 1729. He speculated the same Richard Robins who witnessed the 1756 will of Joseph Robins, Jr. in NC could have been the same Richar d Robins h/o of Ann. This Richard Robins lived in the village of Mapletown between Princeton & Kingston in 1735-1741 at the time arrest warrants were out for him. In theory, if he was Richard Robins of NC, the warrants may have caused him to flee south & connect with his family. Joseph Robins Jr. had a similar situation as we all know the story how he escaped & fled south after his arrest in NJ. The time frame fits for this Richard of NJ to be the same man in NC but proving it with documents is another matter. Research was done in NJ & NC & nothing to link this Richard in NJ to the one in NC was discovered. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Scott To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:53 AM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ Looking for information on this Richard and Anne Race who married in Monmouth NJ. Other marriage records in the same time line was Leah Clayton to Joseph Robbins dau of Moses son of Daniel 29 Mar 1732 Monmouth, NJ Sarah Robbins to Cornelius Everingham Aug 8 1728 possible dau of Nathaniel son of Daniel Zachariah Robbins m/ Mary Clayton abt 1730 son of Moses son of Daniel Mary not in father's Will research of others These Clayton sisters were the daughters of Zebulen Clayton who sold land to Joseph Robbins and witness to his Will in 1709 when Joseph died A few year later is when John Nation and wife Bethiah Robbins with Joseph Robbins brother to Bethiah migrated to Virginia all in Rowan Co NC by 1753, Could this be Richard in Rowan, NC ? I'm thinking that Richard was possible the father to Mathias, Jonathan, and Nancy Ann Robbins his younger children all born before 1750. from records its seems that William and Elisha were his oldest sons b/ 1731-33 If anyone has any records from Rowan Co NC from 1753 to 1770 might be helpful in sorting out these Rowan Co Robbins, Thanks, Jerry Will of 1742 Ang. 23 Cleayton Zebulon of Upper Freehold township yeoman will of Wife Mary Children Thomas John Margaret and Leah Robins wife of Joseph Robins Granddaughter not named daughter of son Zebulon Clayton deceased Executors wife and son Thomas Witnesses Thomas Cox James McKeand Thomas David and Robert Laurence Thomas Cox witness Executors Quakers Proved May 24 1744 Lib 6 p 28 1744 April 16 Inventory of the estate 160.14 0 incl a negro woman and girl made by Jacob Robins and Benjamin Lawrence CALENDAR OF WILLS I73O I75O 99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:676 Sender:"Jerry Scott" Post Date/Time:2013-07-09 12:08:05 Subject:Re: Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ Message: Sara, Do you know why they were charged and what they did to be arrested I think John German was correct that Richard was the unborn son of Joseph and brother to Joseph, Jr and sister to Bethiah Robbins Nation Family records has Nancy Ann Robbins born in Frederick Co Va 1747 about the time Richard was there in Count records 1745 Plus William Swaim brother married Elizabeth Vickery daughter of Marmarduke Vickery per Bible records. Then John Swaim Daughter Massah married Daniel Robbins son of William Robbins and Frances Nation Jerry --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Jerry, > > John German had a theory about Richard Robins who married Ann Race in Burlington Co. in 1729. He speculated the same Richard Robins who witnessed the 1756 will of Joseph Robins, Jr. in NC could have been the same Rich ard Robins h/o of Ann. This Richard Robins lived in the village of Mapletown between Princeton & Kingston in 1735-1741 at the time arrest warrants were out for him. In theory, if he was Richard Robins of NC, the warrant s may have caused him to flee south & connect with his family. Joseph Robins Jr. had a similar situation as we all know the story how he escaped & fled south after his arrest in NJ. The time frame fits for this Richard of NJ to be the same man in NC but proving it with documents is another matter. Research was done in NJ & NC & nothing to link this Richard in NJ to the one in NC was discovered. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Scott > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:53 AM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ > > > > Looking for information on this Richard and Anne Race who married in Monmouth NJ. > Other marriage records in the same time line was > Leah Clayton to Joseph Robbins dau of Moses son of Daniel > 29 Mar 1732 Monmouth, NJ > > Sarah Robbins to Cornelius Everingham Aug 8 1728 possible dau of Nathaniel son of Daniel > > Zachariah Robbins m/ Mary Clayton abt 1730 son of Moses son of Daniel > Mary not in father's Will research of others > > These Clayton sisters were the daughters of Zebulen Clayton who sold land to Joseph Robbins and witness to his Will in 1709 when Joseph died > > A few year later is when John Nation and wife Bethiah Robbins with Joseph Robbins brother to Bethiah migrated to Virginia all in Rowan Co NC by 1753, Could this be Richard in Rowan, NC ? I'm thinking that Richard wa s possible the father to Mathias, Jonathan, and Nancy Ann Robbins his younger children all born before 1750. from records its seems that William and Elisha were his oldest sons b/ 1731-33 > > If anyone has any records from Rowan Co NC from 1753 to 1770 might be helpful in sorting out these Rowan Co Robbins, Thanks, Jerry > > Will of > > 1742 Ang. 23 Cleayton Zebulon of Upper Freehold township yeoman will of Wife Mary Children Thomas John Margaret and Leah Robins wife of Joseph Robins Granddaughter not > named daughter of son Zebulon Clayton deceased Executors wife and son Thomas Witnesses Thomas Cox James McKeand Thomas David and Robert Laurence Thomas Cox witness Executors Quakers Proved May 24 1744 Lib 6 p 28 174 4 April 16 Inventory of the estate 160.14 0 incl a negro woman and girl made by Jacob Robins and Benjamin Lawrence CALENDAR OF WILLS I73O I75O 99 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:677 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-07-09 13:12:51 Subject:Re: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ Message: Jerry, Joseph Robins Jr. escaped from the Monmouth County jail in August of 1729. There has been a lot of speculation about the nature of his crime but to my knowledge there is no record. I'm guessing he may have been in debt ors prison. It wasn't uncommon for men flee from NJ to other places to avoid arrest & imprisonment for their debts. I may be wrong about this & possibly someone else here may know for sure but I think Richard Robins warrants were for debt. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Scott To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ Sara, Do you know why they were charged and what they did to be arrested I think John German was correct that Richard was the unborn son of Joseph and brother to Joseph, Jr and sister to Bethiah Robbins Nation Family records has Nancy Ann Robbins born in Frederick Co Va 1747 about the time Richard was there in Count records 1745 Plus William Swaim brother married Elizabeth Vickery daughter of Marmarduke Vickery per Bible records. Then John Swaim Daughter Massah married Daniel Robbins son of William Robbins and Frances Nation Jerry --- In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Jerry, > > John German had a theory about Richard Robins who married Ann Race in Burlington Co. in 1729. He speculated the same Richard Robins who witnessed the 1756 will of Joseph Robins, Jr. in NC could have been the same Ri chard Robins h/o of Ann. This Richard Robins lived in the village of Mapletown between Princeton & Kingston in 1735-1741 at the time arrest warrants were out for him. In theory, if he was Richard Robins of NC, the warra nts may have caused him to flee south & connect with his family. Joseph Robins Jr. had a similar situation as we all know the story how he escaped & fled south after his arrest in NJ. The time frame fits for this Richar d of NJ to be the same man in NC but proving it with documents is another matter. Research was done in NJ & NC & nothing to link this Richard in NJ to the one in NC was discovered. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Scott > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:53 AM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ > > > > Looking for information on this Richard and Anne Race who married in Monmouth NJ. > Other marriage records in the same time line was > Leah Clayton to Joseph Robbins dau of Moses son of Daniel > 29 Mar 1732 Monmouth, NJ > > Sarah Robbins to Cornelius Everingham Aug 8 1728 possible dau of Nathaniel son of Daniel > > Zachariah Robbins m/ Mary Clayton abt 1730 son of Moses son of Daniel > Mary not in father's Will research of others > > These Clayton sisters were the daughters of Zebulen Clayton who sold land to Joseph Robbins and witness to his Will in 1709 when Joseph died > > A few year later is when John Nation and wife Bethiah Robbins with Joseph Robbins brother to Bethiah migrated to Virginia all in Rowan Co NC by 1753, Could this be Richard in Rowan, NC ? I'm thinking that Richard wa s possible the father to Mathias, Jonathan, and Nancy Ann Robbins his younger children all born before 1750. from records its seems that William and Elisha were his oldest sons b/ 1731-33 > > If anyone has any records from Rowan Co NC from 1753 to 1770 might be helpful in sorting out these Rowan Co Robbins, Thanks, Jerry > > Will of > > 1742 Ang. 23 Cleayton Zebulon of Upper Freehold township yeoman will of Wife Mary Children Thomas John Margaret and Leah Robins wife of Joseph Robins Granddaughter not > named daughter of son Zebulon Clayton deceased Executors wife and son Thomas Witnesses Thomas Cox James McKeand Thomas David and Robert Laurence Thomas Cox witness Executors Quakers Proved May 24 1744 Lib 6 p 28 174 4 April 16 Inventory of the estate 160.14 0 incl a negro woman and girl made by Jacob Robins and Benjamin Lawrence CALENDAR OF WILLS I73O I75O 99 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:678 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2013-07-09 14:57:54 Subject:Re: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ Message: Sara, Found this on line. Jerry    Whereas Joseph ROBINS of the County of Mon- mouth, Yeoman, being in Custody of William NICH- ALLS, Esq: High Sheriff of the said County, did on Tuesday the 19th of this Instant in the Night, break the Goal of the said County, and an Escape from the said Sheriff did make: The said Sheriff doth hereby promise Ten Pounds for a Reward, besides reasona- ble Charges, to any Person or Persons that shall take up, and so secure the said Joseph ROBINS, that he may have him again, he being a tall slender Man, thin faced, bottle-nosed, light lank Hair, and about thirty Years of Age. Freehold in Monmouth- William NICHOLS. County, Aug. 23, 1729. --- The Pennsylvania Gazette, The 4th of the 7th Month 1729.         ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ  Jerry, Joseph Robins Jr. escaped from the Monmouth County jail in August of 1729. There has been a lot of speculation about the nature of his crime but to my knowledge there is no record. I'm guessing he may have been in debtors prison. It wasn't uncommon for men flee from NJ to other places to avoid arrest & imprisonment for their debts. I may be wrong about this & possibly someone else here may know for sure but I think Richard Robins warrants were for debt.                                                                             Sara   ----- Original Message ----- >From: Jerry Scott >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:08 PM >Subject: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ > > >Sara, Do you know why they were charged and what they did to be arrested > >I think John German was correct that Richard was the unborn son of Joseph and brother to Joseph, Jr and sister to Bethiah Robbins Nation > >Family records has Nancy Ann Robbins born in Frederick Co Va 1747 about the time Richard was there in Count records 1745 > >Plus William Swaim brother married Elizabeth Vickery daughter of >Marmarduke Vickery per Bible records. Then John Swaim Daughter Massah married Daniel Robbins son of William Robbins and Frances >Nation > >Jerry > >--- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: >> >> Jerry, >> >> John German had a theory about Richard Robins who married Ann Race in Burlington Co. in 1729. He speculated the same Richard Robins who witnessed the 1756 will of Joseph Robins, Jr. in NC could have been the same Richard Robins h/o of Ann. This Richard Robins lived in the village of Mapletown between Princeton & Kingston in 1735-1741 at the time arrest warrants were out for him. In theory, if he was Richard Robins of NC, the warrants may have caused him to flee south & connect with his family. Joseph Robins Jr. had a similar situation as we all know the story how he escaped & fled south after his arrest in NJ. The time frame fits for this Richard of NJ to be the same man in NC but proving it with documents is another matter. Research was done in NJ & NC & nothing to link this Richard in NJ to the one in NC was discovered. >> Sara >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jerry Scott >> To: mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:53 AM >> Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ >> >> >> >> Looking for information on this Richard and Anne Race who married in Monmouth NJ. >> Other marriage records in the same time line was >> Leah Clayton to Joseph Robbins dau of Moses son of Daniel >> 29 Mar 1732 Monmouth, NJ >> >> Sarah Robbins to Cornelius Everingham Aug 8 1728 possible dau of Nathaniel son of Daniel >> >> Zachariah Robbins m/ Mary Clayton abt 1730 son of Moses son of Daniel >> Mary not in father's Will research of others >> >> These Clayton sisters were the daughters of Zebulen Clayton who sold land to Joseph Robbins and witness to his Will in 1709 when Joseph died >> >> A few year later is when John Nation and wife Bethiah Robbins with Joseph Robbins brother to Bethiah migrated to Virginia all in Rowan Co NC by 1753, Could this be Richard in Rowan, NC ? I'm thinking that Richard was possible the father to Mathias, Jonathan, and Nancy Ann Robbins his younger children all born before 1750. from records its seems that William and Elisha were his oldest sons b/ 1731-33 >> >> If anyone has any records from Rowan Co NC from 1753 to 1770 might be helpful in sorting out these Rowan Co Robbins, Thanks, Jerry >> >> Will of >> >> 1742 Ang. 23 Cleayton Zebulon of Upper Freehold township yeoman will of Wife Mary Children Thomas John Margaret and Leah Robins wife of Joseph Robins Granddaughter not >> named daughter of son Zebulon Clayton deceased Executors wife and son Thomas Witnesses Thomas Cox James McKeand Thomas David and Robert Laurence Thomas Cox witness Executors Quakers Proved May 24 1744 Lib 6 p 28 1744 April 16 Inventory of the estate 160.14 0 incl a negro woman and girl made by Jacob Robins and Benjamin Lawrence CALENDAR OF WILLS I73O I75O 99 >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:679 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-07-09 15:33:41 Subject:Re: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ Message: Jerry, Thank you for posting the transcription of the article regarding Joseph Robins, Jr. This is the only known record at this time for Joseph Robins, Jr's arrest & imprisonment. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: JERRY SCOTT To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ Sara, Found this on line. Jerry Whereas Joseph ROBINS of the County of Mon- mouth, Yeoman, being in Custody of William NICH- ALLS, Esq: High Sheriff of the said County, did on Tuesday the 19th of this Instant in the Night, break the Goal of the said County, and an Escape from the said Sheriff did make: The said Sheriff doth hereby promise Ten Pounds for a Reward, besides reasona- ble Charges, to any Person or Persons that shall take up, and so secure the said Joseph ROBINS, that he may have him again, he being a tall slender Man, thin faced, bottle-nosed, light lank Hair, and about thirty Years of Age. Freehold in Monmouth- William NICHOLS. County, Aug. 23, 1729. --- The Pennsylvania Gazette, The 4th of the 7th Month 1729. From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ Jerry, Joseph Robins Jr. escaped from the Monmouth County jail in August of 1729. There has been a lot of speculation about the nature of his crime but to my knowledge there is no record. I'm guessing he may have been in de btors prison. It wasn't uncommon for men flee from NJ to other places to avoid arrest & imprisonment for their debts. I may be wrong about this & possibly someone else here may know for sure but I think Richard Robins warrants were for debt. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Scott To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ Sara, Do you know why they were charged and what they did to be arrested I think John German was correct that Richard was the unborn son of Joseph and brother to Joseph, Jr and sister to Bethiah Robbins Nation Family records has Nancy Ann Robbins born in Frederick Co Va 1747 about the time Richard was there in Count records 1745 Plus William Swaim brother married Elizabeth Vickery daughter of Marmarduke Vickery per Bible records. Then John Swaim Daughter Massah married Daniel Robbins son of William Robbins and Frances Nation Jerry --- In mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com, "Sara Hoffman" wrote: > > Jerry, > > John German had a theory about Richard Robins who married Ann Race in Burlington Co. in 1729. He speculated the same Richard Robins who witnessed the 1756 will of Joseph Robins, Jr. in NC could have been the same Richard Robins h/o of Ann. This Richard Robins lived in the village of Mapletown between Princeton & Kingston in 1735-1741 at the time arrest warrants were out for him. In theory, if he was Richard Robins of NC, the war rants may have caused him to flee south & connect with his family. Joseph Robins Jr. had a similar situation as we all know the story how he escaped & fled south after his arrest in NJ. The time frame fits for this Rich ard of NJ to be the same man in NC but proving it with documents is another matter. Research was done in NJ & NC & nothing to link this Richard in NJ to the one in NC was discovered. > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Scott > To: mailto:robbinsfamilysociety%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:53 AM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Richard Robbins and Anne Race married 8 Aug 1728 Monmonth NJ > > > > Looking for information on this Richard and Anne Race who married in Monmouth NJ. > Other marriage records in the same time line was > Leah Clayton to Joseph Robbins dau of Moses son of Daniel > 29 Mar 1732 Monmouth, NJ > > Sarah Robbins to Cornelius Everingham Aug 8 1728 possible dau of Nathaniel son of Daniel > > Zachariah Robbins m/ Mary Clayton abt 1730 son of Moses son of Daniel > Mary not in father's Will research of others > > These Clayton sisters were the daughters of Zebulen Clayton who sold land to Joseph Robbins and witness to his Will in 1709 when Joseph died > > A few year later is when John Nation and wife Bethiah Robbins with Joseph Robbins brother to Bethiah migrated to Virginia all in Rowan Co NC by 1753, Could this be Richard in Rowan, NC ? I'm thinking that Richard was possible the father to Mathias, Jonathan, and Nancy Ann Robbins his younger children all born before 1750. from records its seems that William and Elisha were his oldest sons b/ 1731-33 > > If anyone has any records from Rowan Co NC from 1753 to 1770 might be helpful in sorting out these Rowan Co Robbins, Thanks, Jerry > > Will of > > 1742 Ang. 23 Cleayton Zebulon of Upper Freehold township yeoman will of Wife Mary Children Thomas John Margaret and Leah Robins wife of Joseph Robins Granddaughter not > named daughter of son Zebulon Clayton deceased Executors wife and son Thomas Witnesses Thomas Cox James McKeand Thomas David and Robert Laurence Thomas Cox witness Executors Quakers Proved May 24 1744 Lib 6 p 28 1 744 April 16 Inventory of the estate 160.14 0 incl a negro woman and girl made by Jacob Robins and Benjamin Lawrence CALENDAR OF WILLS I73O I75O 99 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:680 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-10-27 09:53:56 Subject:Photo on Homepage Message: Yahoo must have supplied the Robbins homepage photo. Looks like San Francisco. That's a long way from our ancestors in homes in Scotland, CT Colony and NJ. Also see we have a new member. Love to hear why you joined the Robbins group. Maybe you can motivate some conversation here. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:681 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2013-10-27 15:12:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Message: Added a photo of mine of Blair Atholl Castle from when I was there as a researcher in 2007. Welcome to our newest member! Joy, is it? -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:682 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-10-27 16:00:25 Subject:RE: Photo on Homepage Message: Looks like Blair Atholl to me ??? Bill Collins ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Yahoo must have supplied the Robbins homepage photo. Looks like San Francisco. That's a long way from our ancestors in homes in Scotland, CT Colony and NJ. Also see we have a new member. Love to hear why you joined the Robbins group. Maybe you can motivate some conversation here. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:683 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-10-27 17:24:01 Subject:Re: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] RE: Photo on Homepage Message: Bill, I'm not surprised that it looks like Blair Atholl to you. Nice to know you haven't lost your sense of humor. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: genedigger@...m To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] RE: Photo on Homepage Looks like Blair Atholl to me ??? Bill Collins ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Yahoo must have supplied the Robbins homepage photo. Looks like San Francisco. That's a long way from our ancestors in homes in Scotland, CT Colony and NJ. Also see we have a new member. Love to hear why you joined th e Robbins group. Maybe you can motivate some conversation here. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:684 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-10-27 19:26:43 Subject:RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Message: Thank you Tod!! Its actually Carolyn, but joy is fine as it is part of my email. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Added a photo of mine of Blair Atholl Castle from when I was there as a researcher in 2007. Welcome to our newest member! Joy, is it? -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com http://todrobbins.com/ | @todrobbins http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:685 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2013-10-27 20:02:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE: Photo on Homepage Message: Just wanted you to know I'm watching Robbins, even if working another ancestral line.  Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] RE: Photo on Homepage   Bill,  I'm not surprised that it looks like Blair Atholl to you. Nice to know you haven't lost your sense of humor.                                                                           Sara                                             ----- Original Message ----- >From: genedigger@... >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:00 PM >Subject: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] RE: Photo on Homepage > > >Looks like Blair Atholl to me ??? >> >> >>Bill Collins > > >---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >Yahoo must have supplied the Robbins homepage photo. Looks like San Francisco. That's a long way from our ancestors in homes in Scotland, CT Colony and NJ. Also see we have a new member. Love to hear why you joined the Robbins group. Maybe you can motivate some conversation here. >                                                           Sara >                                                 > >                                                               ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:686 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-10-28 08:14:29 Subject:Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Message: Carolyn, It's a Joy to have you as a member. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@...m To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Thank you Tod!! Its actually Carolyn, but joy is fine as it is part of my email. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Added a photo of mine of Blair Atholl Castle from when I was there as a researcher in 2007. Welcome to our newest member! Joy, is it? -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:687 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-10-28 08:22:41 Subject:RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Message: Thanks Sara, love your comment! ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote:  Carolyn, It's a Joy to have you as a member. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... mailto:joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Thank you Tod!! Its actually Carolyn, but joy is fine as it is part of my email. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Added a photo of mine of Blair Atholl Castle from when I was there as a researcher in 2007. Welcome to our newest member! Joy, is it? -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com http://todrobbins.com/ | @todrobbins http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:688 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-10-28 10:54:11 Subject:Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Message: Ditto Carolyn, welcome to the group. Would you share with us your Robbins connection? My father's family was from the SW PA area. Mary Robbins Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:689 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-10-28 11:34:17 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE: Robbins Myths at Ancestry Message: I've watch too & come across many interesting things. A few years ago, a Robbins researcher fabricated the surname Welles for Mary the mother of Daniel Robinson. I asked for evidence of some kind to support their claim but they provided none. They know & I know there is nothing factual about Mary as a Welles. So instead of doing the responsible thing & removing the Welles name they just added a ? mark after it. Now ancestry trees have genealogy going back several generations for Daniel Robinson/Robins. None of this family history adds up or makes any sense. Maybe some of you have also seen these tales. One uses the surname Wel les & refers to Daniel's mother as Mary Rebecca Welles who came from England to America & was part of the Salem witch trials. Looks like Mary not only needed a maiden name but also a middle name so Rebecca was added. An other one has this Mary Rebecca born in England in 1620 & Daniel born in Scotland in 1627. What an unusual phenomenon. Somehow Mary Rebecca Welles was able to leave England & go to Scotland to give birth to Daniel Robin son when she was 7 years old. There are lots of others too. Unfortunately, just like the tale of the Robbins from Wales once these mythical stories get started it makes it more difficult for intelligent researchers who come along later on to sort out the facts. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE: Photo on Homepage Just wanted you to know I'm watching Robbins, even if working another ancestral line. Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] RE: Photo on Homepage  Bill, I'm not surprised that it looks like Blair Atholl to you. Nice to know you haven't lost your sense of humor. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: genedigger@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: [SPAM][robbinsfamilysociety] RE: Photo on Homepage Looks like Blair Atholl to me ??? Bill Collins ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Yahoo must have supplied the Robbins homepage photo. Looks like San Francisco. That's a long way from our ancestors in homes in Scotland, CT Colony and NJ. Also see we have a new member. Love to hear why you joined the Robbins group. Maybe you can motivate some conversation here. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:690 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-10-28 17:10:18 Subject:RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Message: My grandmother was a Robbins, in Illinois and my line goes back to Brintnel Robbins, who lived in Voluntown CT and was enlisted in CT 21st regiment during the revolution. I can trace back from there to Moses, then Rich ard, then Samuel who was born in Cambridge Massachussets and fought in the Naragassett war (I just found that documented). I believe his father was Richard Robbins born 1610 and came from Stoulton in 1630s, but no hard evidence in my hand yet. Still working on that. I am relatively new to tracing this line. Glad to meet others of the Robbins clan !!!! How about all of you? Which family line? Where are you all from? I am in NJ ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ditto Carolyn, welcome to the group. Would you share with us your Robbins connection? My father's family was from the SW PA area. Mary Robbins Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android From: Sara Hoffman ; To: ; Subject: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:14:29 PM  Carolyn, It's a Joy to have you as a member. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Thank you Tod!! Its actually Carolyn, but joy is fine as it is part of my email. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Added a photo of mine of Blair Atholl Castle from when I was there as a researcher in 2007. Welcome to our newest member! Joy, is it? -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com http://todrobbins.com/ | @todrobbins http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:691 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2013-10-29 02:55:44 Subject:richard robbins of Rowan Co North Carloina Message: I have some very good research on Richard Robbins and unk wife of Rowan Co NC and related families per land deeds Tax records and other sources. Would like to share and exchange research with anyone who may be descendan ts of Richard Robbins, however if you claim the Wales research I AM NOT INTERESTED in that research as it has, without question been proven incorrect. Surnames; ROBBINS, SWAIM,LEDFORD,TEAGUE,VICKORY, NATION,WELBORN, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:692 Sender:Robin C Post Date/Time:2013-10-29 09:29:37 Subject:RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Lines Message: Carolyn, I'm one of the extensive clan of Daniel descendants rooted in South Jersey. Sara and I are (if I remember correctly) second cousins. I emigrated from "the Old Country" as a child, and have lived in New Mexico ever since. Wecome to the group! Robyn jrobin11@unm.edu Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of joy2002cjm@yahoo.com [joy2002cjm@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 6:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage My grandmother was a Robbins, in Illinois and my line goes back to Brintnel Robbins, who lived in Voluntown CT and was enlisted in CT 21st regiment during the revolution. I can trace back from there to Moses, then Rich ard, then Samuel who was born in Cambridge Massachussets and fought in the Naragassett war (I just found that documented). I believe his father was Richard Robbins born 1610 and came from Stoulton in 1630s, but no hard evidence in my hand yet. Still working on that. I am relatively new to tracing this line. Glad to meet others of the Robbins clan !!!! How about all of you? Which family line? Where are you all from? I am in NJ ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ditto Carolyn, welcome to the group. Would you share with us your Robbins connection? My father's family was from the SW PA area. Mary Robbins Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman ; To: ; Subject: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:14:29 PM  Carolyn, It's a Joy to have you as a member. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Thank you Tod!! Its actually Carolyn, but joy is fine as it is part of my email. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Added a photo of mine of Blair Atholl Castle from when I was there as a researcher in 2007. Welcome to our newest member! Joy, is it? -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:693 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-10-29 10:12:31 Subject:Re: RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family Lines Message: Carolyn & group members: I have come across Brintnel in searches in the past. Is anyone in the group aware whether or not that line is a DNA match with our emigrant Daniel? Just curious. Carolyn are you acquainted with genetic genealogy (www.familytreeDNA.com) ? It really blew my mind to learn about the family and make connections with other descendants. I doubt that I would have ever made the connect ions on my own. Awesome. The best part perhaps is that there are still mysterys to uncover. Mary in Maryland Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:694 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2013-10-29 15:39:33 Subject:RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Message: Carolyn, My grandmother was a Robbins (Carrie Robbins) in New Egypt, New Jersey. I live in California now. We go back to Daniel Robbins from Scotland, according to research that Sara Robbins Hoffman has done. What part of New Jersey are you in now? I was born in Burlington, NJ.  Bettylou Steadman  -----Original Message----- From: joy2002cjm@... Sent: Oct 28, 2013 5:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage   My grandmother was a Robbins, in Illinois and my line goes back to Brintnel Robbins, who lived in Voluntown CT and was enlisted in CT 21st regiment during the revolution. I can trace back from there to Moses, then Richard, then Samuel who was born in Cambridge Massachussets and fought in the Naragassett war (I just found that documented). I believe his father was Richard Robbins born 1610 and came from Stoulton in 1630s, but no hard evidence in my hand yet. Still working on that. I am relatively new to tracing this line. Glad to meet others of the Robbins clan !!!! How about all of you? Which family line? Where are you all from? I am in NJ ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ditto Carolyn, welcome to the group. Would you share with us your Robbins connection? My father's family was from the SW PA area. Mary Robbins Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman ; To: ; Subject: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:14:29 PM   Carolyn,  It's a Joy to have you as a member.                                   Sara    ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage  Thank you Tod!! Its actually Carolyn, but joy is fine as it is part of my email. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Added a photo of mine of Blair Atholl Castle from when I was there as a researcher in 2007. Welcome to our newest member! Joy, is it? -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:695 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2013-10-29 15:49:14 Subject:Re: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Message: I also trace back to the border of Pa./NY to Edward, who married a Gee, a Peter, who could be Edward's Father and Mother Abigail [?]. Edward also had a brother, James and sister Caroline. Shirley Robbins Hawley On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 5:39 PM, Bettylou Steadman wrote:  Carolyn,  My grandmother was a Robbins (Carrie Robbins) in New Egypt, New Jersey. I live in California now. We go back to Daniel Robbins from Scotland, according to research that Sara Robbins Hoffman has done. What part of New Jersey are you in now? I was born in Burlington, NJ.  Bettylou Steadman  -----Original Message----- >From: joy2002cjm@... >Sent: Oct 28, 2013 5:10 PM >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage > > > My grandmother was a Robbins, in Illinois and my line goes back to Brintnel Robbins, who lived in Voluntown CT and was enlisted in CT 21st regiment during the revolution. I can trace back from there to Moses, then Ri chard, then Samuel who was born in Cambridge Massachussets and fought in the Naragassett war (I just found that documented). I believe his father was Richard Robbins born 1610 and came from Stoulton in 1630s, but no h ard evidence in my hand yet. Still working on that. I am relatively new to tracing this line. Glad to meet others of the Robbins clan !!!! > > > >How about all of you? Which family line? Where are you all from? > >I am in NJ > > > >---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >Ditto Carolyn, welcome to the group. Would you share with us your Robbins connection? >My father's family was from the SW PA area. >Mary Robbins >Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > >________________________________ > From: Sara Hoffman ; >To: ; >Subject: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage >Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:14:29 PM > > > > >Carolyn, > >It's a Joy to have you as a member. >                                   Sara > > > >----- Original Message ----- >>>From: joy2002cjm@... >>>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:26 PM >>>Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage >>> >>> >>>Thank you Tod!! Its actually Carolyn, but joy is fine as it is part of my email. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >>> >>> >>>Added a photo of mine of Blair Atholl Castle from when I was there as a researcher in 2007. Welcome to our newest member! Joy, is it? >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Tod Robbins >>>Digital Asset Manager, MLIS >>>todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:696 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-10-29 17:40:42 Subject:RE: Re: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Message: Wow all of you are so wonderful to welcome me so !! I am in North eastern NJ, near Ridgewood. (that's where I work). I am so new to the Robbins family history, I havent had much time to look beyond those in my line. U an starting to become familiar with other names. Does anyone know if there is a link between the Scottish and Engli sh Robbins? My Grandmother (Robbins) used to say there was a little scottish in our line. I never knew if she meant Robbins or another. I am aware of YDNA testing. Another one of my family lines did that. My cousin who is a male from that particular line. It helped alot in connecting trees and actually confirming family "lore" that we all heard all our lives, but was never able to prove. I think its fascinating. Thank you all for your big warm welcome. I look forward to chatting and learning as time goes forward! Carolyn ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I also trace back to the border of Pa./NY to Edward, who married a Gee, a Peter, who could be Edward's Father and Mother Abigail [?]. Edward also had a brother, James and sister Caroline. Shirley Robbins Hawley On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 5:39 PM, Bettylou Steadman wrote: Carolyn, My grandmother was a Robbins (Carrie Robbins) in New Egypt, New Jersey. I live in California now. We go back to Daniel Robbins from Scotland, according to research that Sara Robbins Hoffman has done. What part of Ne w Jersey are you in now? I was born in Burlington, NJ. Bettylou Steadman -----Original Message----- From: joy2002cjm@... Sent: Oct 28, 2013 5:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage My grandmother was a Robbins, in Illinois and my line goes back to Brintnel Robbins, who lived in Voluntown CT and was enlisted in CT 21st regiment during the revolution. I can trace back from there to Moses, then Ric hard, then Samuel who was born in Cambridge Massachussets and fought in the Naragassett war (I just found that documented). I believe his father was Richard Robbins born 1610 and came from Stoulton in 1630s, but no har d evidence in my hand yet. Still working on that. I am relatively new to tracing this line. Glad to meet others of the Robbins clan !!!! How about all of you? Which family line? Where are you all from? I am in NJ ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Ditto Carolyn, welcome to the group. Would you share with us your Robbins connection? My father's family was from the SW PA area. Mary Robbins Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android From: Sara Hoffman ; To: ; Subject: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:14:29 PM  Carolyn, It's a Joy to have you as a member. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Thank you Tod!! Its actually Carolyn, but joy is fine as it is part of my email. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Added a photo of mine of Blair Atholl Castle from when I was there as a researcher in 2007. Welcome to our newest member! Joy, is it? -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com http://todrobbins.com/ | @todrobbins http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:697 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2013-10-30 10:28:27 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:698 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2013-10-30 10:36:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Photo on Homepage [2 Attachments] Message: Lovely photos Bettylou! As for the spelling of my name: it is recorded as Todd, but I write it Tod. Ha! Either works. -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Bettylou Steadman < wunderwoman@...> wrote: > ** > > > I took Todd's advice and visited a lot of sites in Scotland that he > recommended when I was there in 2009 with my two daughters and one > granddaughter. Thanks, Todd (or Tod?). I've attached two photos that I > took at Blair Atholl while I was there. Hope you enjoy them! > > > > Bettylou Steadman > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:699 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-10-30 11:08:09 Subject:Photo of Isaac Parsons Robbins Message: Attached is a photo of Isaac Parson Robbins 1921-2007, son of Edward Kirkbride Robbins 1884-1964 and Ethel Hall 1888- ; with his wife Sarah Shinn 1921-1996 Bill Collins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:700 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-10-30 11:13:50 Subject:James T Robbins Photo Message: Attached is a photo of James Thompson Robbins, 1817-1896, son of Isaac Ivins Robbins 1782-1823 and Jane Thompson 1784-1856 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:701 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-10-30 11:30:42 Subject:Rosina Robbins Photo Message: Attached is a photo of Rosina Thompson Robbins 1861-1943 (unmarried), daughter of James Thompson Robbins 1817-1896 and Catharine Headley 1836-1914. Bill Collins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:702 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-03 11:18:45 Subject:DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:703 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-03 12:02:48 Subject:RE: DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: Hi Sara Mitochondrial DNA is passed from Mother to Daughter. It is also called mtDNA (mt for mitochondrial). Mitochondria are part of all living cells. Their DNA comes from the X chromosome exclusively. Whereas YDNA is from th e Y chromosome exclusively. So mitochondria and their DNA are passed from Mother to Daughter. There are several companies that do testing and different projects http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=10 http://www.geni.com/dna-tests/mtdna? http://www.genebase.com/store/ My cousin did his YDNA through family tree. It was transfered to geni and several matches were made. I have not done mine yet. Actually I hadnt really thought of it. Hope that is helpful Carolyn ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:704 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2013-11-03 18:24:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry.  Unfortunately she did not.  The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, with the exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain.  The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results.  Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping.  Bill Collins From: "july37@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins  Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test?                                                               Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:705 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-11-04 11:52:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: Bill, I'm told the 23andMe also has a genetic medical part to it. Is that correct? I appreciate you sharing your wife's experience with this test. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry. Unfortunately she did not. The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, with the exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain. The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results. Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping. Bill Collins From: "july37@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:706 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2013-11-04 13:40:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: Sara That is correct.  The medical part is fairly extensive, and tells whether you are a carrier for certain diseases, are likely to be more affected by certain drugs, etc.  They are continually adding more information as they process more batches.  They have surveys that you can choose to participate in that help them develop this information.  Their cost used to be $400, but has come down to $99, and I think there is a $10 discount f or a second test.  The test is a "spit" test, where you spit into a tube until you reach a certain level in the tube. The ethnicity results are being refined.  They tell me I am 2.9% Neanderthal.  That might explain a thing or two. The rest reads: British & Irish 10.9%, Scandinavian 0.3%, Non-specific Northern European 69.5%, Non-specific European 19.0%, East Asian 0.1% and 0.2% unassigned. I also took a test at Ancestry.com  They gave me as Great Britain 16%, Ireland 19%, Scandinavia 14%, Other European 3%, Asia >1%, East Asia >1%.  They apparently do not identify Neanderthal.  Which is more accurate?  I can't say.  The Ancestry.com test is only for ethnicity.   Bill Collins ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins   Bill,  I'm told the 23andMe also has a genetic medical part to it. Is that correct? I appreciate you sharing your wife's experience with this test.                                                        Thanks,                                                                         Sara ----- Original Message ----- >From: William Collins >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:24 PM >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins > > >My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry.  Unfortunately she did not.  The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, w ith the exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain.  The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. > > >Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results.  Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping. > >Bill Collins >From: "july37@..." >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM >Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins > > > > >Dear Group, >I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? >                                                              Sara > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:707 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-11-04 17:36:29 Subject:Re: [SPAM]Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: Bill, The additional information does help for the 23andMe test. The price is reasonable too. Your ethnicity percentages are interesting especially the Neanderthal. Who would have guessed? Thanks very much for your help. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: [SPAM]Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Sara That is correct. The medical part is fairly extensive, and tells whether you are a carrier for certain diseases, are likely to be more affected by certain drugs, etc. They are continually adding more information as they process more batches. They have surveys that you can choose to participate in that help them develop this information. Their cost used to be $400, but has come down to $99, and I think there is a $10 discount for a second test. The test is a "spit" test, where you spit into a tube until you reach a certain level in the tube. The ethnicity results are being refined. They tell me I am 2.9% Neanderthal. That might explain a thing or two. The rest reads: British & Irish 10.9%, Scandinavian 0.3%, Non-specific Northern European 69.5%, Non-specific European 19.0%, East Asian 0.1% and 0.2% unassigned. I also took a test at Ancestry.com They gave me as Great Britain 16%, Ireland 19%, Scandinavia 14%, Other European 3%, Asia >1%, East Asia >1%. They apparently do not identify Neanderthal. Which is more accurate? I can't say. The Ancestry.com test is only for ethnicity. Bill Collins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins  Bill, I'm told the 23andMe also has a genetic medical part to it. Is that correct? I appreciate you sharing your wife's experience with this test. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry. Unfortunately she did not. The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, wit h the exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain. The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results. Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping. Bill Collins From: "july37@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:708 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-04 19:09:36 Subject:RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: Wow, that is very different. I would look into the accuracy of the testing before I bought it. It may not be so good to have both medical and geneology in same test... Basically with the results you posted, I would s ay, you dont know much more than before you took the test. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Sara That is correct. The medical part is fairly extensive, and tells whether you are a carrier for certain diseases, are likely to be more affected by certain drugs, etc. They are continually adding more information as t hey process more batches. They have surveys that you can choose to participate in that help them develop this information. Their cost used to be $400, but has come down to $99, and I think there is a $10 discount for a second test. The test is a "spit" test, where you spit into a tube until you reach a certain level in the tube. The ethnicity results are being refined. They tell me I am 2.9% Neanderthal. That might explain a thing or two. The rest reads: British & Irish 10.9%, Scandinavian 0.3%, Non-specific Northern European 69.5%, Non-specific European 19.0%, East Asian 0.1% and 0.2% unassigned. I also took a test at Ancestry.com They gave me as Great Britain 16%, Ireland 19%, Scandinavia 14%, Other European 3%, Asia >1%, East Asia >1%. They apparently do not identify Neanderthal. Which is more accurate? I can't say. The Ancestry.com test is only for ethnicity. Bill Collins From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins  Bill, I'm told the 23andMe also has a genetic medical part to it. Is that correct? I appreciate you sharing your wife's experience with this test. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry. Unfortunately she did not. The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, with t he exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain. The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results. Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping. Bill Collins From: "july37@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:709 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2013-11-04 21:57:19 Subject:Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: I agree that there are substantial differences.  Given that I know I have a fair amount of Norman (Viking) heritage, I suppose it makes it difficult to pin down.  They could be considered Scandinavian, but also Europe an/British/Irish given how they migrated around.  I really did not expect percentages of French, Dutch, Flanders, etc. given how populations spread about. The concern over medical/genealogy tests deriving from one batch does not concern me.  We only have one DNA so separate tests would not give different results no matter how often you were tested (unless your results we re mixed up with someone else). Regardless, if you can advise as to better places to test, have at it.  My own opinion is that the larger the base, the more accuracy will be obtained.  The complete strand can be copied out and moved to another testi ng lab.  I have not downloaded the results and compared them SNP by SNP.  (All in time)  Bill Collins ________________________________ From: "joy2002cjm@yahoo.com" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins  Wow, that is very different. I would look into the accuracy of the testing before I bought it. It may not be so good to have both medical and geneology in same test...  Basically with the results you posted, I would say, you dont know much more than before you took the test. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Sara That is correct.  The medical part is fairly extensive, and tells whether you are a carrier for certain diseases, are likely to be more affected by certain drugs, etc.  They are continually adding more information as they process more batches.  They have surveys that you can choose to participate in that help them develop this information.  Their cost used to be $400, but has come down to $99, and I think there is a $10 discount f or a second test.  The test is a "spit" test, where you spit into a tube until you reach a certain level in the tube. The ethnicity results are being refined.  They tell me I am 2.9% Neanderthal.  That might explain a thing or two. The rest reads: British & Irish 10.9%, Scandinavian 0.3%, Non-specific Northern European 69.5%, Non-specific European 19.0%, East Asian 0.1% and 0.2% unassigned. I also took a test at Ancestry.com  They gave me as Great Britain 16%, Ireland 19%, Scandinavia 14%, Other European 3%, Asia >1%, East Asia >1%.  They apparently do not identify Neanderthal.  Which is more accurate?  I can't say.  The Ancestry.com test is only for ethnicity.   Bill Collins ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins   Bill,  I'm told the 23andMe also has a genetic medical part to it. Is that correct? I appreciate you sharing your wife's experience with this test.                                                        Thanks,                                                                         Sara ----- Original Message ----- >>From: William Collins >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:24 PM >>Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins >> >> >>My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry.  Unfortunately she did not.  The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, with the exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain.  The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. >> >> >>Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results.  Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping. >> >>Bill Collins >>From: "july37@..." >>To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM >>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins >> >> >> >> >>Dear Group, >>I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? >>                                                              Sara >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:710 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-05 09:05:50 Subject:RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: One of the problems with DNA testing is contamination. It doesnt take much to contaminate a specimen in processing. Makes me wonder if that is why there are such differences in your results. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I agree that there are substantial differences. Given that I know I have a fair amount of Norman (Viking) heritage, I suppose it makes it difficult to pin down. They could be considered Scandinavian, but also Europea n/British/Irish given how they migrated around. I really did not expect percentages of French, Dutch, Flanders, etc. given how populations spread about. The concern over medical/genealogy tests deriving from one batch does not concern me. We only have one DNA so separate tests would not give different results no matter how often you were tested (unless your results we re mixed up with someone else). Regardless, if you can advise as to better places to test, have at it. My own opinion is that the larger the base, the more accuracy will be obtained. The complete strand can be copied out and moved to another testin g lab. I have not downloaded the results and compared them SNP by SNP. (All in time) Bill Collins From: "joy2002cjm@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Wow, that is very different. I would look into the accuracy of the testing before I bought it. It may not be so good to have both medical and geneology in same test... Basically with the results you posted, I woul d say, you dont know much more than before you took the test. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Sara That is correct. The medical part is fairly extensive, and tells whether you are a carrier for certain diseases, are likely to be more affected by certain drugs, etc. They are continually adding more information as t hey process more batches. They have surveys that you can choose to participate in that help them develop this information. Their cost used to be $400, but has come down to $99, and I think there is a $10 discount for a second test. The test is a "spit" test, where you spit into a tube until you reach a certain level in the tube. The ethnicity results are being refined. They tell me I am 2.9% Neanderthal. That might explain a thing or two. The rest reads: British & Irish 10.9%, Scandinavian 0.3%, Non-specific Northern European 69.5%, Non-specific European 19.0%, East Asian 0.1% and 0.2% unassigned. I also took a test at Ancestry.com They gave me as Great Britain 16%, Ireland 19%, Scandinavia 14%, Other European 3%, Asia >1%, East Asia >1%. They apparently do not identify Neanderthal. Which is more accurate? I can't say. The Ancestry.com test is only for ethnicity. Bill Collins From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins  Bill, I'm told the 23andMe also has a genetic medical part to it. Is that correct? I appreciate you sharing your wife's experience with this test. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry. Unfortunately she did not. The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, with t he exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain. The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results. Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping. Bill Collins From: "july37@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:711 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-11-06 08:58:44 Subject:Re: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: Joy, Contamination with DNA testing? I don't know that much about various DNA tests. Is there some published data or reference you can provide on the subject of genetic DNA testing & contamination. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins One of the problems with DNA testing is contamination. It doesnt take much to contaminate a specimen in processing. Makes me wonder if that is why there are such differences in your results. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I agree that there are substantial differences. Given that I know I have a fair amount of Norman (Viking) heritage, I suppose it makes it difficult to pin down. They could be considered Scandinavian, but also Europe an/British/Irish given how they migrated around. I really did not expect percentages of French, Dutch, Flanders, etc. given how populations spread about. The concern over medical/genealogy tests deriving from one batch does not concern me. We only have one DNA so separate tests would not give different results no matter how often you were tested (unless your results w ere mixed up with someone else). Regardless, if you can advise as to better places to test, have at it. My own opinion is that the larger the base, the more accuracy will be obtained. The complete strand can be copied out and moved to another testi ng lab. I have not downloaded the results and compared them SNP by SNP. (All in time) Bill Collins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "joy2002cjm@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Wow, that is very different. I would look into the accuracy of the testing before I bought it. It may not be so good to have both medical and geneology in same test... Basically with the results you posted, I would say, you dont know much more than before you took the test. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Sara That is correct. The medical part is fairly extensive, and tells whether you are a carrier for certain diseases, are likely to be more affected by certain drugs, etc. They are continually adding more information as they process more batches. They have surveys that you can choose to participate in that help them develop this information. Their cost used to be $400, but has come down to $99, and I think there is a $10 discount for a second test. The test is a "spit" test, where you spit into a tube until you reach a certain level in the tube. The ethnicity results are being refined. They tell me I am 2.9% Neanderthal. That might explain a thing or two. The rest reads: British & Irish 10.9%, Scandinavian 0.3%, Non-specific Northern European 69.5%, Non-specific European 19.0%, East Asian 0.1% and 0.2% unassigned. I also took a test at Ancestry.com They gave me as Great Britain 16%, Ireland 19%, Scandinavia 14%, Other European 3%, Asia >1%, East Asia >1%. They apparently do not identify Neanderthal. Which is more accurate? I can't say. The Ancestry.com test is only for ethnicity. Bill Collins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins  Bill, I'm told the 23andMe also has a genetic medical part to it. Is that correct? I appreciate you sharing your wife's experience with this test. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry. Unfortunately she did not. The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, with the exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain. The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results. Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping. Bill Collins From: "july37@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:712 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-06 11:43:47 Subject:RE: Re: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: I have done some PCR replication of DNA material in the lab when I was in school in the 1990s. It is VERY open to contamination although I am sure techniques are improving. One cell from the technician in the mix will be replicated with the other dna material. I dont have any specific sites per say, but here is from what I googled just now. http://www.nfstc.org/pdi/Subject04/pdi_s04_m04_00.htm http://www.promega.com/~/media/Files/Resources/Profiles%20In%20DNA/802/Identifying%20and%20Preventing%20DNA%20Contamination%20in%20a%20DNA%20Typing%20Laboratory.ashx http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297%2812%2900478-8 There are numerous articles on this if you google it. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote:  Joy, Contamination with DNA testing? I don't know that much about various DNA tests. Is there some published data or reference you can provide on the subject of genetic DNA testing & contamination. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... mailto:joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins One of the problems with DNA testing is contamination. It doesnt take much to contaminate a specimen in processing. Makes me wonder if that is why there are such differences in your results. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I agree that there are substantial differences. Given that I know I have a fair amount of Norman (Viking) heritage, I suppose it makes it difficult to pin down. They could be considered Scandinavian, but also Europea n/British/Irish given how they migrated around. I really did not expect percentages of French, Dutch, Flanders, etc. given how populations spread about. The concern over medical/genealogy tests deriving from one batch does not concern me. We only have one DNA so separate tests would not give different results no matter how often you were tested (unless your results we re mixed up with someone else). Regardless, if you can advise as to better places to test, have at it. My own opinion is that the larger the base, the more accuracy will be obtained. The complete strand can be copied out and moved to another testin g lab. I have not downloaded the results and compared them SNP by SNP. (All in time) Bill Collins From: "joy2002cjm@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Wow, that is very different. I would look into the accuracy of the testing before I bought it. It may not be so good to have both medical and geneology in same test... Basically with the results you posted, I woul d say, you dont know much more than before you took the test. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Sara That is correct. The medical part is fairly extensive, and tells whether you are a carrier for certain diseases, are likely to be more affected by certain drugs, etc. They are continually adding more information as t hey process more batches. They have surveys that you can choose to participate in that help them develop this information. Their cost used to be $400, but has come down to $99, and I think there is a $10 discount for a second test. The test is a "spit" test, where you spit into a tube until you reach a certain level in the tube. The ethnicity results are being refined. They tell me I am 2.9% Neanderthal. That might explain a thing or two. The rest reads: British & Irish 10.9%, Scandinavian 0.3%, Non-specific Northern European 69.5%, Non-specific European 19.0%, East Asian 0.1% and 0.2% unassigned. I also took a test at Ancestry.com They gave me as Great Britain 16%, Ireland 19%, Scandinavia 14%, Other European 3%, Asia >1%, East Asia >1%. They apparently do not identify Neanderthal. Which is more accurate? I can't say. The Ancestry.com test is only for ethnicity. Bill Collins From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins  Bill, I'm told the 23andMe also has a genetic medical part to it. Is that correct? I appreciate you sharing your wife's experience with this test. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins mailto:genedigger@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry. Unfortunately she did not. The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, with t he exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain. The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results. Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping. Bill Collins From: "july37@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:713 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-06 11:47:49 Subject:RE: RE: Re: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: This is an interesting site of a conversation between researchers using pcr techniques replicating dna http://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_anyone_help_me_getting_rid_of_this_contamination ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I have done some PCR replication of DNA material in the lab when I was in school in the 1990s. It is VERY open to contamination although I am sure techniques are improving. One cell from the technician in the mix wil l be replicated with the other dna material. I dont have any specific sites per say, but here is from what I googled just now. http://www.nfstc.org/pdi/Subject04/pdi_s04_m04_00.htm http://www.promega.com/~/media/Files/Resources/Profiles%20In%20DNA/802/Identifying%20and%20Preventing%20DNA%20Contamination%20in%20a%20DNA%20Typing%20Laboratory.ashx http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297%2812%2900478-8 There are numerous articles on this if you google it. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote:  Joy, Contamination with DNA testing? I don't know that much about various DNA tests. Is there some published data or reference you can provide on the subject of genetic DNA testing & contamination. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... mailto:joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins One of the problems with DNA testing is contamination. It doesnt take much to contaminate a specimen in processing. Makes me wonder if that is why there are such differences in your results. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I agree that there are substantial differences. Given that I know I have a fair amount of Norman (Viking) heritage, I suppose it makes it difficult to pin down. They could be considered Scandinavian, but also Europea n/British/Irish given how they migrated around. I really did not expect percentages of French, Dutch, Flanders, etc. given how populations spread about. The concern over medical/genealogy tests deriving from one batch does not concern me. We only have one DNA so separate tests would not give different results no matter how often you were tested (unless your results we re mixed up with someone else). Regardless, if you can advise as to better places to test, have at it. My own opinion is that the larger the base, the more accuracy will be obtained. The complete strand can be copied out and moved to another testin g lab. I have not downloaded the results and compared them SNP by SNP. (All in time) Bill Collins From: "joy2002cjm@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Wow, that is very different. I would look into the accuracy of the testing before I bought it. It may not be so good to have both medical and geneology in same test... Basically with the results you posted, I woul d say, you dont know much more than before you took the test. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Sara That is correct. The medical part is fairly extensive, and tells whether you are a carrier for certain diseases, are likely to be more affected by certain drugs, etc. They are continually adding more information as t hey process more batches. They have surveys that you can choose to participate in that help them develop this information. Their cost used to be $400, but has come down to $99, and I think there is a $10 discount for a second test. The test is a "spit" test, where you spit into a tube until you reach a certain level in the tube. The ethnicity results are being refined. They tell me I am 2.9% Neanderthal. That might explain a thing or two. The rest reads: British & Irish 10.9%, Scandinavian 0.3%, Non-specific Northern European 69.5%, Non-specific European 19.0%, East Asian 0.1% and 0.2% unassigned. I also took a test at Ancestry.com They gave me as Great Britain 16%, Ireland 19%, Scandinavia 14%, Other European 3%, Asia >1%, East Asia >1%. They apparently do not identify Neanderthal. Which is more accurate? I can't say. The Ancestry.com test is only for ethnicity. Bill Collins From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins  Bill, I'm told the 23andMe also has a genetic medical part to it. Is that correct? I appreciate you sharing your wife's experience with this test. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins mailto:genedigger@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry. Unfortunately she did not. The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, with t he exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain. The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results. Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping. Bill Collins From: "july37@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:714 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-11-06 13:38:03 Subject:Re: [SPAM]RE: RE: Re: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: Joy, Thank you for your input on my DNA question. My understanding is PCR or (polymerase chain reaction) is a process that amplifies a segment of the DNA during the test. Contamination may or may not occur at the time of the testing. It depends on how the specimen is handled. We go to our doctor & he orders blood work & sends it to a lab. We trust that the results returned to us are accurate & no contamination of the sample has occurred to alter the result. We also trust our doctor to be aff iliated with a lab with high standards that meets the criteria required to produce accurate results. So when we consider taking a genetic genealogy test we should look for a reputable, reliable company, one who has an I SO certified lab. We take our chances like everything else in life. There is no guarantee of 100% accuracy in any test. This is just my opinion, if a person is really interested in taking a genetic genealogy DNA test th e worry of contamination shouldn't be that much of a concern. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:47 AM Subject: [SPAM]RE: RE: Re: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins This is an interesting site of a conversation between researchers using pcr techniques replicating dna http://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_anyone_help_me_getting_rid_of_this_contamination ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I have done some PCR replication of DNA material in the lab when I was in school in the 1990s. It is VERY open to contamination although I am sure techniques are improving. One cell from the technician in the mix wi ll be replicated with the other dna material. I dont have any specific sites per say, but here is from what I googled just now. http://www.nfstc.org/pdi/Subject04/pdi_s04_m04_00.htm http://www.promega.com/~/media/Files/Resources/Profiles%20In%20DNA/802/Identifying%20and%20Preventing%20DNA%20Contamination%20in%20a%20DNA%20Typing%20Laboratory.ashx http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297%2812%2900478-8 There are numerous articles on this if you google it. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote:  Joy, Contamination with DNA testing? I don't know that much about various DNA tests. Is there some published data or reference you can provide on the subject of genetic DNA testing & contamination. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins One of the problems with DNA testing is contamination. It doesnt take much to contaminate a specimen in processing. Makes me wonder if that is why there are such differences in your results. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I agree that there are substantial differences. Given that I know I have a fair amount of Norman (Viking) heritage, I suppose it makes it difficult to pin down. They could be considered Scandinavian, but also European/British/Irish given how they migrated around. I really did not expect percentages of French, Dutch, Flanders, etc. given how populations spread about. The concern over medical/genealogy tests deriving from one batch does not concern me. We only have one DNA so separate tests would not give different results no matter how often you were tested (unless your res ults were mixed up with someone else). Regardless, if you can advise as to better places to test, have at it. My own opinion is that the larger the base, the more accuracy will be obtained. The complete strand can be copied out and moved to another testing lab. I have not downloaded the results and compared them SNP by SNP. (All in time) Bill Collins ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "joy2002cjm@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Wow, that is very different. I would look into the accuracy of the testing before I bought it. It may not be so good to have both medical and geneology in same test... Basically with the results you posted, I would say, you dont know much more than before you took the test. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Sara That is correct. The medical part is fairly extensive, and tells whether you are a carrier for certain diseases, are likely to be more affected by certain drugs, etc. They are continually adding more informati on as they process more batches. They have surveys that you can choose to participate in that help them develop this information. Their cost used to be $400, but has come down to $99, and I think there is a $10 discou nt for a second test. The test is a "spit" test, where you spit into a tube until you reach a certain level in the tube. The ethnicity results are being refined. They tell me I am 2.9% Neanderthal. That might explain a thing or two. The rest reads: British & Irish 10.9%, Scandinavian 0.3%, Non-specific Northern European 69.5%, Non-specific European 19.0%, East Asian 0.1% and 0.2% unassigned. I also took a test at Ancestry.com They gave me as Great Britain 16%, Ireland 19%, Scandinavia 14%, Other European 3%, Asia >1%, East Asia >1%. They apparently do not identify Neanderthal. Which is more accurate? I can't say. The Ancestry.com test is only for ethnicity. Bill Collins ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins  Bill, I'm told the 23andMe also has a genetic medical part to it. Is that correct? I appreciate you sharing your wife's experience with this test. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry. Unfortunately she did not. The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, with the exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain. The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results. Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping. Bill Collins From: "july37@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of tes t? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:715 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-06 20:25:14 Subject:RE: Re: [SPAM]RE: RE: Re: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Message: I agree that you tend to trust results of tests, however if you have 2 tests with very different results... the most likely explanation is contamination as it is sooo easy to have. This conversation all came about becau se Bill had results from 2 tests that were quite different. That was all I was referring to ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote:  Joy, Thank you for your input on my DNA question. My understanding is PCR or (polymerase chain reaction) is a process that amplifies a segment of the DNA during the test. Contamination may or may not occur at the time of th e testing. It depends on how the specimen is handled. We go to our doctor & he orders blood work & sends it to a lab. We trust that the results returned to us are accurate & no contamination of the sample has occurred to alter the result. We also trust our doctor to be af filiated with a lab with high standards that meets the criteria required to produce accurate results. So when we consider taking a genetic genealogy test we should look for a reputable, reliable company, one who has an ISO certified lab. We take our chances like everything else in life. There is no guarantee of 100% accuracy in any test. This is just my opinion, if a person is really interested in taking a genetic genealogy DNA test t he worry of contamination shouldn't be that much of a concern. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... mailto:joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:47 AM Subject: [SPAM]RE: RE: Re: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins This is an interesting site of a conversation between researchers using pcr techniques replicating dna http://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_anyone_help_me_getting_rid_of_this_contamination http://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_anyone_help_me_getting_rid_of_this_contamination ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I have done some PCR replication of DNA material in the lab when I was in school in the 1990s. It is VERY open to contamination although I am sure techniques are improving. One cell from the technician in the mix wil l be replicated with the other dna material. I dont have any specific sites per say, but here is from what I googled just now. http://www.nfstc.org/pdi/Subject04/pdi_s04_m04_00.htm http://www.promega.com/~/media/Files/Resources/Profiles%20In%20DNA/802/Identifying%20and%20Preventing%20DNA%20Contamination%20in%20a%20DNA%20Typing%20Laboratory.ashx http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297%2812%2900478-8 There are numerous articles on this if you google it. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote:  Joy, Contamination with DNA testing? I don't know that much about various DNA tests. Is there some published data or reference you can provide on the subject of genetic DNA testing & contamination. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: joy2002cjm@... mailto:joy2002cjm@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: [SPAM]RE: Re: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins One of the problems with DNA testing is contamination. It doesnt take much to contaminate a specimen in processing. Makes me wonder if that is why there are such differences in your results. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I agree that there are substantial differences. Given that I know I have a fair amount of Norman (Viking) heritage, I suppose it makes it difficult to pin down. They could be considered Scandinavian, but also Europea n/British/Irish given how they migrated around. I really did not expect percentages of French, Dutch, Flanders, etc. given how populations spread about. The concern over medical/genealogy tests deriving from one batch does not concern me. We only have one DNA so separate tests would not give different results no matter how often you were tested (unless your results we re mixed up with someone else). Regardless, if you can advise as to better places to test, have at it. My own opinion is that the larger the base, the more accuracy will be obtained. The complete strand can be copied out and moved to another testin g lab. I have not downloaded the results and compared them SNP by SNP. (All in time) Bill Collins From: "joy2002cjm@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 9:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Wow, that is very different. I would look into the accuracy of the testing before I bought it. It may not be so good to have both medical and geneology in same test... Basically with the results you posted, I woul d say, you dont know much more than before you took the test. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Sara That is correct. The medical part is fairly extensive, and tells whether you are a carrier for certain diseases, are likely to be more affected by certain drugs, etc. They are continually adding more information as t hey process more batches. They have surveys that you can choose to participate in that help them develop this information. Their cost used to be $400, but has come down to $99, and I think there is a $10 discount for a second test. The test is a "spit" test, where you spit into a tube until you reach a certain level in the tube. The ethnicity results are being refined. They tell me I am 2.9% Neanderthal. That might explain a thing or two. The rest reads: British & Irish 10.9%, Scandinavian 0.3%, Non-specific Northern European 69.5%, Non-specific European 19.0%, East Asian 0.1% and 0.2% unassigned. I also took a test at Ancestry.com They gave me as Great Britain 16%, Ireland 19%, Scandinavia 14%, Other European 3%, Asia >1%, East Asia >1%. They apparently do not identify Neanderthal. Which is more accurate? I can't say. The Ancestry.com test is only for ethnicity. Bill Collins From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins  Bill, I'm told the 23andMe also has a genetic medical part to it. Is that correct? I appreciate you sharing your wife's experience with this test. Thanks, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: William Collins mailto:genedigger@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins My wife took the test at 23andMe, hoping to confirm a family story that she had Native American ancestry. Unfortunately she did not. The ethnic origins info provided appeared to be "dead-on" with what we know, with t he exception that some Finnish showed up that we cannot explain. The price is pretty good compared to other companies and turn-around time was about 3 weeks as I recall. Beyond that, I am just learning about how to use the results. Only one absolute match has shown up so far, but I keep hoping. Bill Collins From: "july37@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA & Ethnic Origins Dear Group, I'm interested in a DNA test for a female that can determine ethnic origins. Is there one? Looking for Native American ancestry. Can anyone provide information on this area of DNA testing? What kind of test? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:716 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-11 09:58:28 Subject:VETERANS DAY Message: In Memory of John W. Taylor, Jr. 1926-2012. John served in the U S Army Air Corps during World War II. He was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their youngest child Benjamin Robins. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:717 Sender:Robin C Post Date/Time:2013-11-11 11:07:48 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Message: Thanks, Sara. Today I'm remembering my sister Ann (Mary Ann Cholerton Eldredge, a Robbins daughter), who would have celebrated her 63rd birthday today, had she not died at 22. When she was born, back in 1950, today was stilll clebra ted as Armistice Day. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of july37@... [july37@...] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY In Memory of John W. Taylor, Jr. 1926-2012. John served in the U S Army Air Corps during World War II. He was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their youngest child Benjamin Robins. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:718 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2013-11-11 11:51:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Message: My father, Raymond W. Eldridge (1894-1978) served in the U.S. Army during World War I. He fought in five major battles in France. He also was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their son Aaron Robins, according to research done by Sara. His mother was Carrie Robbins Eldridge, married to Oliver Eldridge, of New Egypt, New Jersey.  Bettylou  -----Original Message----- From: july37@... Sent: Nov 11, 2013 8:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY  In Memory of John W. Taylor, Jr. 1926-2012. John served in the U S Army Air Corps during World War II. He was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their youngest child Benjamin Robins.                                                              Sara                                                       ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:719 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2013-11-11 11:55:21 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Message: Robyn,  I am wondering if there is any connection between our families with the Eldridges, as well as Robbins. Although your family connection is spelled differently, perhaps there may be a connection somewhere down the line?  Bettylou  -----Original Message----- From: Robin C Sent: Nov 11, 2013 10:07 AM To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Thanks, Sara. Today I'm remembering my sister Ann (Mary Ann Cholerton Eldredge, a Robbins daughter), who would have celebrated her 63rd birthday today, had she not died at 22. When she was born, back in 1950, today was stilll clebrated as Armistice Day. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of july37@... [july37@...] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY In Memory of John W. Taylor, Jr. 1926-2012. John served in the U S Army Air Corps during World War II. He was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their youngest child Benjamin Robins. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:720 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2013-11-11 12:10:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Message: I would also like to remember my Father, Jacob E. Robbins, U.S army, world war one and my brother Edward J. Robbins, U.S. Marine Corp, world war two. Shirley Robbins Hawley  On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:55 PM, Bettylou Steadman wrote:  Robyn,  I am wondering if there is any connection between our families with the Eldridges, as well as Robbins. Although your family connection is spelled differently, perhaps there may be a connection somewhere down the line?   Bettylou  -----Original Message----- >From: Robin C >Sent: Nov 11, 2013 10:07 AM >To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" >Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY > > >Thanks, Sara. > >Today I'm remembering my sister Ann (Mary Ann Cholerton Eldredge, a Robbins daughter), who would have celebrated her 63rd birthday today, had she not died at 22. When she was born, back in 1950, today was stilll clebra ted as Armistice Day. > >Robyn >jrobin11@... > >Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . > >________________________________________ >From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of july37@... [july37@...] >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:58 AM >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY > >In Memory of John W. Taylor, Jr. 1926-2012. John served in the U S Army Air Corps during World War II. He was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their youngest child Benjamin Robins. > >Sara > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:721 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-11-11 12:23:52 Subject:Re: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Message: Robyn, Your sister Mary Ann's death was a very great loss & at such a young age. The memory of our loved ones & friends who have passed away lives on in our hearts. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin C To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Thanks, Sara. Today I'm remembering my sister Ann (Mary Ann Cholerton Eldredge, a Robbins daughter), who would have celebrated her 63rd birthday today, had she not died at 22. When she was born, back in 1950, today was stilll clebr ated as Armistice Day. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of july37@... [july37@...] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY In Memory of John W. Taylor, Jr. 1926-2012. John served in the U S Army Air Corps during World War II. He was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their youngest child Benjamin Robins. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:722 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2013-11-11 13:57:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Message: While we are remembering I'd like to remember my father-in-law, Maj Ed Guy, USAF.  He was in WWII, Korea (won Distinguisher Flying Cross there), & Vietnam. He is buried at Arlington National Cemetery, right behind t he Amphitheatre. From: Shirley Hawley To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY  I would also like to remember my Father, Jacob E. Robbins, U.S army, world war one and my brother Edward J. Robbins, U.S. Marine Corp, world war two. Shirley Robbins Hawley  On Monday, November 11, 2013 12:55 PM, Bettylou Steadman wrote:  Robyn,  I am wondering if there is any connection between our families with the Eldridges, as well as Robbins. Although your family connection is spelled differently, perhaps there may be a connection somewhere down the line?   Bettylou  -----Original Message----- >From: Robin C >Sent: Nov 11, 2013 10:07 AM >To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" >Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY > > >Thanks, Sara. Today I'm remembering my sister Ann (Mary Ann Cholerton Eldredge, a Robbins daughter), who would have celebrated her 63rd birthday today, had she not died at 22. When she was born, back in 1950, today was stilll clebrated as Armistice Day. Robynjrobin11@...rew the coffee --- and they will come . . .________________________________________From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] o n behalf of july37@... [july37@...]Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:58 AMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.comSubject: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAYIn Memory of John W. Taylor, Jr. 1926-2012. John served in th e U S Army Air Corps during World War II. He was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their youngest child Benjamin Robins.Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:723 Sender:Robin C Post Date/Time:2013-11-11 14:52:01 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Message: Bettylou, there's probably no direct connection between us, through the Eldredge name, since that was, all to briefly, my sister's married name. I'm glad to be connected with you as a Robbins, though. Robyn jrobin11@unm.edu Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Bettylou Steadman [wunderwoman@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:55 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Robyn, I am wondering if there is any connection between our families with the Eldridges, as well as Robbins. Although your family connection is spelled differently, perhaps there may be a connection somewhere down the line? Bettylou -----Original Message----- From: Robin C Sent: Nov 11, 2013 10:07 AM To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Thanks, Sara. Today I'm remembering my sister Ann (Mary Ann Cholerton Eldredge, a Robbins daughter), who would have celebrated her 63rd birthday today, had she not died at 22. When she was born, back in 1950, today was stilll clebrat ed as Armistice Day. Robyn jrobin11@...u Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of july37@... [july37@...] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY In Memory of John W. Taylor, Jr. 1926-2012. John served in the U S Army Air Corps during World War II. He was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their youngest child Benjamin Robins. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:724 Sender:Robin C Post Date/Time:2013-11-11 15:18:44 Subject:RE: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Message: Sara, I believe that those who have passed on remain with us, especially if we allow ourselves to hear their voices. Veterans Day and Memorial Day recognition is connected to military service, but it can be harder to f ind an occasion to celebrate the lives of others with whom we've been connected. Although it's not part of my cultural nor religious tradition, I've found meaning in el Dia de los Muertos, which is celebrated locally. I'm glad to have reestablished contact, several years ago, with two of my sister's closest friends, the only ones still living of their circle of close friends. It's almost like having a sister and brother. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Sara Hoffman [july37@...] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:23 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Robyn, Your sister Mary Ann's death was a very great loss & at such a young age. The memory of our loved ones & friends who have passed away lives on in our hearts. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin C To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Thanks, Sara. Today I'm remembering my sister Ann (Mary Ann Cholerton Eldredge, a Robbins daughter), who would have celebrated her 63rd birthday today, had she not died at 22. When she was born, back in 1950, today was stilll clebrat ed as Armistice Day. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of july37@... [july37@...] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY In Memory of John W. Taylor, Jr. 1926-2012. John served in the U S Army Air Corps during World War II. He was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their youngest child Benjamin Robins. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:725 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-11-11 16:20:33 Subject:Re: [SPAM]RE: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Message: Robyn, El Dia de los Muertos is celebrated here too. I really don't know much about it except it's called Day of the Dead in English & it's to honor deceased family members. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin C To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:18 PM Subject: [SPAM]RE: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Sara, I believe that those who have passed on remain with us, especially if we allow ourselves to hear their voices. Veterans Day and Memorial Day recognition is connected to military service, but it can be harder to find an occasion to celebrate the lives of others with whom we've been connected. Although it's not part of my cultural nor religious tradition, I've found meaning in el Dia de los Muertos, which is celebrated locally. I'm glad to have reestablished contact, several years ago, with two of my sister's closest friends, the only ones still living of their circle of close friends. It's almost like having a sister and brother. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Sara Hoffman [july37@...] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:23 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Robyn, Your sister Mary Ann's death was a very great loss & at such a young age. The memory of our loved ones & friends who have passed away lives on in our hearts. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin C To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Thanks, Sara. Today I'm remembering my sister Ann (Mary Ann Cholerton Eldredge, a Robbins daughter), who would have celebrated her 63rd birthday today, had she not died at 22. When she was born, back in 1950, today was stilll clebr ated as Armistice Day. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of july37@cox.net [july37@...] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY In Memory of John W. Taylor, Jr. 1926-2012. John served in the U S Army Air Corps during World War II. He was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their youngest child Benjamin Robins. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:726 Sender:Robin C Post Date/Time:2013-11-12 11:17:14 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Message: Sara, a search will turn up all kinds of information about el Dia de los Muertos. It seems to be celebrated in many parts of the world, including in some American cities I wouldn't have thought likely. And th ere are regional variations. One thing I find meaningful, locally, is the ofrenda an altar display to honor a departed loved one. They often feature a photograph or several, notes of remembrance, and decorations. They may include little wooden f igurines (available for purchase locally) of skeletons holding something meaningful to the departed one a person with a guitar or accordion for a musician, a woman with a rolling pin or frying pan. There might be a di sh of a favorite food of the departed one, and cigars often appear. Often there are sugar skulls, elaborately decorated with frosting and feature the name of the deceased. Very often vigil candles are lit, and the ofr enda is strewn with marigold, the flower emblematic of this observance. Many ofrendas are constructed with several levels, and may be quite elaborate. Ofrendas appear in local businesses, in galleries and exhibition s paces, and anywhere that people may gather. I'm sure that there are many more in private homes. I like the idea of bringing a deceased loved one into present life, with reminders of what is remembered about them, and of being able to spend some time thinking of them. An ofrenda for my Robbins grandfather would su rely include a Bible, and a picture of a racing horse in harness. I'd like to pause there for a cup of coffee and a molasses cake. Several of us enjoy the Marigold parade every year. It takes place in the South Valley, a largely Hispanic and (in part) semi-rural part of town. It's organized by community members and several community-betterment or ganizations that focus on the area neighborhoods and their concerns all very homegrown. The parade, which takes about an hour to pass, goes from the fire station to the community center. There may be floats promoting a community cause (education, community health, and immigration are big ones), but no commercial sponsorship aside from the local Spanish-language radio station. There are usually at handful of horses and riders, a ma rching band from the area high school, and representation from several low-rider car clubs, plus a lot of people on foot in groups. I appreciate its small town feel. A group of friends of ours who have moved into the area and established urban farms usually march together, and several years ago included a float with an elaborate ofrenda honoring departed friends of ours and featuring a special friend of mine, beloved by many. Marchers, and many parade-watchers, may paint their faces to look like skulls, and costumes may be quite elaborate and colorful, including Mexican-style folk-dancing and mariachi band outfits. (I can't imagine walking the parade route in stilettos, but there are always at least a few!) At the community center a large, gymnasium sort of space are a dozen or more ofrendas anyone who wants to may set one up. A couple of years ago there was a large ofrenda commemorating the eleven women whose remains were found in a deserted area on the West Mesa. After the parade, there will be performances by local organizations, mostly school groups. Outside, there are vendors with all kinds of wares, and food trucks, both down -home and upscale. It's clear to me that I'm a visitor to this part of town and to this celebration, and that these cultural traditions are not my own. But I'm always made to feel welcome, and I do find much meaning in the celebration. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Sara Hoffman [july37@...] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:20 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Robyn, El Dia de los Muertos is celebrated here too. I really don't know much about it except it's called Day of the Dead in English & it's to honor deceased family members. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin C To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:18 PM Subject: [SPAM]RE: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Sara, I believe that those who have passed on remain with us, especially if we allow ourselves to hear their voices. Veterans Day and Memorial Day recognition is connected to military service, but it can be harder to fi nd an occasion to celebrate the lives of others with whom we've been connected. Although it's not part of my cultural nor religious tradition, I've found meaning in el Dia de los Muertos, which is celebrated locally. I'm glad to have reestablished contact, several years ago, with two of my sister's closest friends, the only ones still living of their circle of close friends. It's almost like having a sister and brother. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Sara Hoffman [july37@cox.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:23 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Robyn, Your sister Mary Ann's death was a very great loss & at such a young age. The memory of our loved ones & friends who have passed away lives on in our hearts. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin C To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [SPAM]RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY Thanks, Sara. Today I'm remembering my sister Ann (Mary Ann Cholerton Eldredge, a Robbins daughter), who would have celebrated her 63rd birthday today, had she not died at 22. When she was born, back in 1950, today was stilll clebrat ed as Armistice Day. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of july37@... [july37@...] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] VETERANS DAY In Memory of John W. Taylor, Jr. 1926-2012. John served in the U S Army Air Corps during World War II. He was a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins descendant through their youngest child Benjamin Robins. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:727 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-13 09:50:01 Subject:Brintnell Robbins Family Message: Mary & Carolyn, In response to the question regarding DNA for the Brintnell Robbins (1756-1836) family. There appears to be no DNA testing for this group. Since the documented trail for the Brintnell Robbins family goes back to Richar d Robbins 1618-1639 of England, it isn't likely that this family connects to the Daniel Robinson/Robins family. However, we can't be 100% sure without DNA testing. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:728 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-11-15 05:18:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Brintnell Robbins Family Message: Thanks for your feedback Sara. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:729 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-22 14:31:35 Subject:DNA result match (autosomal) Message: I recently got results through gedmatch.com for a match through my autosomal DNA. It was a common ancestor of mine and my match, my great-great grandfather George Robins and his wife Hannah Marr. I'm unclear which DNA is from either parent, but the results lead me to believe that later results may be encouraging. I'll have to compare what I found to the countries of origin in 23 and me, to see if there's furthe r matches. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:730 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-25 11:29:58 Subject:23andMe Message: The FDA has issued a cease and desist letter to 23andMe.They have been ordered to stop selling DNA tests. According to the FDA's letter, they are concerned about accuracy, failure to comply with FDA requirements and the fact 23andMe provides specific health recommendations to clients. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:731 Sender:"Roy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2013-11-25 12:47:32 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andMe Message: Thanks for the heads-up Sara. From: robbinsfamilysociety@...m [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of july37@... Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 1:30 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andMe The FDA has issued a cease and desist letter to 23andMe.They have been ordered to stop selling DNA tests. According to the FDA's letter, they are concerned about accuracy, failure to comply with FDA requirements and the fact 23andMe provides specific health recommendations to clients. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:732 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-11-25 13:33:40 Subject:Re: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andMe Message: Interesting, thank you. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:733 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-26 06:47:13 Subject:RE: 23andMe Message: I think the government is way off base on this. The accuracy involves the health predictions, which most people really don't pay attention to anyway. They can just cut the health predictions out and be fine in regards to their testing services. Or modify their predi ctions. What the health community is worried about is losing money on the huge market for genetic testing for health concerns. See how the BRCA tests were making money hand over fist for the company that was marketing it? Then the courts ruled that you could not patent genes? That's what is involved here. Cold hard cash. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: The FDA has issued a cease and desist letter to 23andMe.They have been ordered to stop selling DNA tests. According to the FDA's letter, they are concerned about accuracy, failure to comply with FDA requirements and th e fact 23andMe provides specific health recommendations to clients. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:734 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2013-11-26 08:11:17 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andMe Message: I'm with Richhard on this. Also, you are not compelled or forced by 23andMe to follow through with their healthcare recommendations. Like any medical information or advice I would take it to the relevant specialist and consult with them about my options. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, wrote: > > > I think the government is way off base on this. > > > > The accuracy involves the health predictions, which most people really > don't pay attention to anyway. They can just cut the health predictions out > and be fine in regards to their testing services. Or modify their > predictions. > > > > What the health community is worried about is losing money on the huge > market for genetic testing for health concerns. See how the BRCA tests were > making money hand over fist for the company that was marketing it? Then > the courts ruled that you could not patent genes? That's what is involved > here. Cold hard cash. > > > ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com 'robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com');>, wrote: > > The FDA has issued a cease and desist letter to 23andMe.They have been > ordered to stop selling DNA tests. According to the FDA's letter, they are > concerned about accuracy, failure to comply with FDA requirements and the > fact 23andMe provides specific health recommendations to clients. > > Sara > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:735 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2013-11-26 17:15:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andMe Message: This blog post provides some useful perspective on the matter: http://daviddobbs.net/smoothpebbles/feds-muzzle-23andme-decide-public-best-be-ignorant-about-genetics/ On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:11 AM, todd.d.robbins@...m < todd.d.robbins@...> wrote: > I'm with Richhard on this. Also, you are not compelled or forced by > 23andMe to follow through with their healthcare recommendations. > > Like any medical information or advice I would take it to the relevant > specialist and consult with them about my options. > > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, wrote: > >> >> >> I think the government is way off base on this. >> >> >> >> The accuracy involves the health predictions, which most people really >> don't pay attention to anyway. They can just cut the health predictions out >> and be fine in regards to their testing services. Or modify their >> predictions. >> >> >> >> What the health community is worried about is losing money on the huge >> market for genetic testing for health concerns. See how the BRCA tests were >> making money hand over fist for the company that was marketing it? Then >> the courts ruled that you could not patent genes? That's what is involved >> here. Cold hard cash. >> >> >> ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> The FDA has issued a cease and desist letter to 23andMe.They have been >> ordered to stop selling DNA tests. According to the FDA's letter, they are >> concerned about accuracy, failure to comply with FDA requirements and >> the fact 23andMe provides specific health recommendations to clients. >> >> Sara >> >> >> > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:736 Sender:Dale Robbins Post Date/Time:2013-11-27 04:36:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andMe Message: Sara, So, after the order, I ordered a test. The sale was confirmed. We'll see if it arrives. Dale. On Tuesday, 26 November 2013, 19:16:45, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote:  This blog post provides some useful perspective on the matter: http://daviddobbs.net/smoothpebbles/feds-muzzle-23andme-decide-public-best-be-ignorant-about-genetics/ On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:11 AM, todd.d.robbins@... wrote: I'm with Richhard on this. Also, you are not compelled or forced by 23andMe to follow through with their healthcare recommendations. > > >Like any medical information or advice I would take it to the relevant specialist and consult with them about my options. > > > >On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, wrote: > > >> >>I think the government is way off base on this. >> >>The accuracy involves the health predictions, which most people really don't pay attention to anyway. They can just cut the health predictions out and be fine in regards to their testing services. Or modify their pre dictions. >> >>What the health community is worried about is losing money on the huge market for genetic testing for health concerns. See how the BRCA tests were making money hand over fist for the company that was marketing it? The n the courts ruled that you could not patent genes? That's what is involved here. Cold hard cash. >> >> >>---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>The FDA has issued a cease and desist letter to 23andMe.They have been ordered to stop selling DNA tests. According to the FDA's letter, they are concerned about accuracy, failure to comply with FDA requirements an d the fact 23andMe provides specific health recommendations to clients. >>                                                              Sara > >-- > >Tod Robbins >Digital Asset Manager, MLIS >todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:737 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-11-27 09:55:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andMe Message: Dale, Please let us know how it goes with you & the 23andMe test. Happy Thanksgiving to you & all the group. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andMe Sara, So, after the order, I ordered a test. The sale was confirmed. We'll see if it arrives. Dale. On Tuesday, 26 November 2013, 19:16:45, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: This blog post provides some useful perspective on the matter: http://daviddobbs.net/smoothpebbles/feds-muzzle-23andme-decide-public-best-be-ignorant-about-genetics/ On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:11 AM, todd.d.robbins@... wrote: I'm with Richhard on this. Also, you are not compelled or forced by 23andMe to follow through with their healthcare recommendations. Like any medical information or advice I would take it to the relevant specialist and consult with them about my options. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, wrote: I think the government is way off base on this. The accuracy involves the health predictions, which most people really don't pay attention to anyway. They can just cut the health predictions out and be fine in regards to their testing services. Or modify their predictions. What the health community is worried about is losing money on the huge market for genetic testing for health concerns. See how the BRCA tests were making money hand over fist for the company that was marketing it? Then the courts ruled that you could not patent genes? That's what is involved here. Cold hard cash. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: The FDA has issued a cease and desist letter to 23andMe.They have been ordered to stop selling DNA tests. According to the FDA's letter, they are concerned about accuracy, failure to comply with FDA requirements a nd the fact 23andMe provides specific health recommendations to clients. Sara -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:738 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-11-27 11:36:01 Subject:RE: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 23andMe Message: I'll be looking forward to seeing what matches come up at the distance between the generations of our MRCA. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Sara, So, after the order, I ordered a test. The sale was confirmed. We'll see if it arrives. Dale. On Tuesday, 26 November 2013, 19:16:45, "todd.d.robbins@..." wrote: This blog post provides some useful perspective on the matter: http://daviddobbs.net/smoothpebbles/feds-muzzle-23andme-decide-public-best-be-ignorant-about-genetics/ http://daviddobbs.net/smoothpebbles/feds-muzzle-23andme-decide-public-best-be-ignorant-about-genetics/ On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:11 AM, todd.d.robbins@... mailto:todd.d.robbins@... wrote: I'm with Richhard on this. Also, you are not compelled or forced by 23andMe to follow through with their healthcare recommendations. Like any medical information or advice I would take it to the relevant specialist and consult with them about my options. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013, wrote: I think the government is way off base on this. The accuracy involves the health predictions, which most people really don't pay attention to anyway. They can just cut the health predictions out and be fine in regards to their testing services. Or modify their predi ctions. What the health community is worried about is losing money on the huge market for genetic testing for health concerns. See how the BRCA tests were making money hand over fist for the company that was marketing it? Then the courts ruled that you could not patent genes? That's what is involved here. Cold hard cash. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote: The FDA has issued a cease and desist letter to 23andMe.They have been ordered to stop selling DNA tests. According to the FDA's letter, they are concerned about accuracy, failure to comply with FDA requirements and th e fact 23andMe provides specific health recommendations to clients. Sara -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com http://todrobbins.com/ | @todrobbins http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com http://todrobbins.com/ | @todrobbins http://www.twitter.com/#!/todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:739 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-12-09 13:54:52 Subject:My Most Memorable Christmas Message: The following article was written by member Bettylou Steadman & posted here with her permission. It was published this month by" The Silver Times" of CA. Bettylou is an Aaron Robins descendant. MY MOST MEMORABLE CHRISTMAS "I will never forget one special Christmas in 1942. I was nine years old and living in a Children's Home in New Jersey. My parents had split up when I was quite young, and when I was five years old, the family doctor s uggested that my mother put me in the Home for various reasons, one being that I should be with children my own age. I would often walk through town on my way home from school and look longingly into the store windows at toys I knew I would never have. Around Christmas time that year, all the stores were decorated for the holidays, a nd I remember a Santa Claus in one store who would give us candy canes after we sat in his lap and told him what we wanted for Christmas. There was also a microphone beside him that was connected to a loudspeaker that c ould be heard outside by people passing by on the street. We were encouraged to sing Christmas carols over the mike and we loved that. Then one night just before Christmas, there was a knock on the door of the Children's Home. When my housemother answered it, there stood my father. He had received a Christmas bonus of $50 from work and wanted to take me shopping for Christmas, so the housemother took us downtown in the Home's car to do some last minute Christmas shopping. When we reached the toy store, my father told me I could have anything I wanted. It was any child's dream come true and I was in Seventh Heaven! After picking out quite a few toys, the house mother suggested I should b e more practical and get some clothes as well as toys. So we went to a clothing store and got some clothes too. Fifty dollars went a long way in those days. That was one Christmas that really stands out in my memory, and for many years after that, my dad and I would relive that night in our memories together. It never failed to bring a warm glow and a smile to our faces. Bettylou Steadman 2013 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:740 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-12-13 07:46:42 Subject:My Most Memorable Christmas Message: The following article was written by member Bettylou Steadman & posted here with her permission. It was published in this month by "The Silver Times" of CA. My Most Memorable Christmas "I will never forget one special Christmas in 1942. I was nine years old and living in a Children's Home in New Jersey. My parents had split up when I was quite young, and when I was five years old, the family doctor s uggested that my mother put me in the Home for various reasons, one being that I should be with children my own age. I would often walk through town on my way home from school and look longingly into the store windows at toys I knew I would never have. Around Christmas time that year, all the stores were decorated for the holidays, a nd I remember a Santa Claus in one store who would give us candy canes after we sat in his lap and told him what we wanted for Christmas. There was also a microphone beside him that was connected to a loudspeaker that c ould be heard outside by people passing by on the street. We were encouraged to sing Christmas carols over the mike and we loved that. Then one night just before Christmas, there was a knock on the door of the Children's Home. When my housemother answered it, there stood my father. He had received a Christmas bonus of $50 from work and wanted to take me shopping for Christmas, so the housemother took us downtown in the Home's car to do some last minute Christmas shopping. When we reached the toy store, my father told me I could have anything I wanted. it was any child's dream come true and I was in Seventh Heaven! After picking out quite a few toys, the house mother suggested I should b e more practical and get some clothes as well as toys. So we went to a clothing store and got some clothes too. Fifty dollars went a long way in those days. That was one Christmas that really stands out in my memory, and for many years after that, my dad and I would relive that night in our memories together. It never failed to bring a warm glow and a smile to out faces. Bettylou Steadman December 2013. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:741 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2013-12-13 11:01:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] My Most Memorable Christmas Message: Sara, I was waiting to hear back from Bettylou but I thought now would be a good to time to share/invite everyone to submit their Christmas memories to me so I can add them to a new site: http://todrobbins.com/robbins/christmas/ This is the temporary location until I buy a domain name for our Robbins Family Society. I will also gather previous Christmas memories from the backlog of our list. Does everybody feel comfortable about this? I think it'll be a neat collection of stories to browse now and in the future. As always, ideas/critiques are most welcome! Merry Christmas! âTod *PS: I set up a new email account for the Society: robbinsfamilysociety@gmail.com for submitting stories or anything else you'd like me to collect for the future Robbins Family Society website. Cheers!* On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 7:46 AM, wrote: > > > The following article was written by member Bettylou Steadman & posted > here with her permission. It was published in this month by "The Silver > Times" of CA. > > My Most Memorable Christmas > > "I will never forget one special Christmas in 1942. I was nine years old > and living in a Children's Home in New Jersey. My parents had split up when > I was quite young, and when I was five years old, the family doctor > suggested that my mother put me in the Home for various reasons, one being > that I should be with children my own age. > > I would often walk through town on my way home from school and look > longingly into the store windows at toys I knew I would never have. Around > Christmas time that year, all the stores were decorated for the holidays, > and I remember a Santa Claus in one store who would give us candy canes > after we sat in his lap and told him what we wanted for Christmas. There > was also a microphone beside him that was connected to a loudspeaker that > could be heard outside by people passing by on the street. We were > encouraged to sing Christmas carols over the mike and we loved that. > > Then one night just before Christmas, there was a knock on the door of the > Children's Home. When my housemother answered it, there stood my father. He > had received a Christmas bonus of $50 from work and wanted to take me > shopping for Christmas, so the housemother took us downtown in the Home's > car to do some last minute Christmas shopping. > > When we reached the toy store, my father told me I could have anything I > wanted. it was any child's dream come true and I was in Seventh Heaven! > After picking out quite a few toys, the house mother suggested I should be > more practical and get some clothes as well as toys. So we went to a > clothing store and got some clothes too. Fifty dollars went a long way in > those days. > > That was one Christmas that really stands out in my memory, and for many > years after that, my dad and I would relive that night in our memories > together. It never failed to bring a warm glow and a smile to out faces. > > Bettylou Steadman December 2013. > > > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:742 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2013-12-13 11:48:24 Subject:Re: [SPAM]Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] My Most Memorable Christmas Message: Tod, No problem. After Bettylou sent her story to you & it wasn't posted we both figured you were very busy & it may be sometime before you'd be able to get around to it so I just went back & re-posted it for her. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: todd.d.robbins@... To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 11:01 AM Subject: [SPAM]Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] My Most Memorable Christmas Sara, I was waiting to hear back from Bettylou but I thought now would be a good to time to share/invite everyone to submit their Christmas memories to me so I can add them to a new site: http://todrobbins.com/robbins/christmas/ This is the temporary location until I buy a domain name for our Robbins Family Society. I will also gather previous Christmas memories from the backlog of our list. Does everybody feel comfortable about this? I think it'll be a neat collection of stories to browse now and in the future. As always, ideas/critiques are most welcome! Merry Christmas! âTod PS: I set up a new email account for the Society: robbinsfamilysociety@... for submitting stories or anything else you'd like me to collect for the future Robbins Family Society website. Cheers! On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 7:46 AM, wrote: The following article was written by member Bettylou Steadman & posted here with her permission. It was published in this month by "The Silver Times" of CA. My Most Memorable Christmas "I will never forget one special Christmas in 1942. I was nine years old and living in a Children's Home in New Jersey. My parents had split up when I was quite young, and when I was five years old, the family docto r suggested that my mother put me in the Home for various reasons, one being that I should be with children my own age. I would often walk through town on my way home from school and look longingly into the store windows at toys I knew I would never have. Around Christmas time that year, all the stores were decorated for the holidays , and I remember a Santa Claus in one store who would give us candy canes after we sat in his lap and told him what we wanted for Christmas. There was also a microphone beside him that was connected to a loudspeaker tha t could be heard outside by people passing by on the street. We were encouraged to sing Christmas carols over the mike and we loved that. Then one night just before Christmas, there was a knock on the door of the Children's Home. When my housemother answered it, there stood my father. He had received a Christmas bonus of $50 from work and wanted to ta ke me shopping for Christmas, so the housemother took us downtown in the Home's car to do some last minute Christmas shopping. When we reached the toy store, my father told me I could have anything I wanted. it was any child's dream come true and I was in Seventh Heaven! After picking out quite a few toys, the house mother suggested I shoul d be more practical and get some clothes as well as toys. So we went to a clothing store and got some clothes too. Fifty dollars went a long way in those days. That was one Christmas that really stands out in my memory, and for many years after that, my dad and I would relive that night in our memories together. It never failed to bring a warm glow and a smile to out faces . Bettylou Steadman December 2013. -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:743 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2013-12-13 13:47:18 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] My Most Memorable Christmas Message: Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, Tod, but I was going out for the evening when I came across your message (just checking for messages) and was expecting someone to knock on my door at any minute. This morning I was busy trying to address the rest of my Christmas cards and get them out in my mailbox before the mailman came to pick them up. I'm amazed that some younger people still think that retirees having nothing to do all day.  Now I am getting ready to go out and do some errands and necessary shopping or my cats will be mad at me if they have no food. LOL. ~Bettylou  -----Original Message----- From: "todd.d.robbins@..." Sent: Dec 13, 2013 10:01 AM To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] My Most Memorable Christmas  Sara, I was waiting to hear back from Bettylou but I thought now would be a good to time to share/invite everyone to submit their Christmas memories to me so I can add them to a new site: http://todrobbins.com/robbins/christmas/ This is the temporary location until I buy a domain name for our Robbins Family Society. I will also gather previous Christmas memories from the backlog of our list. Does everybody feel comfortable about this? I think it'll be a neat collection of stories to browse now and in the future. As always, ideas/critiques are most welcome! Merry Christmas! âTod PS: I set up a new email account for the Society: robbinsfamilysociety@... for submitting stories or anything else you'd like me to collect for the future Robbins Family Society website. Cheers! On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 7:46 AM, wrote:  The following article was written by member Bettylou Steadman & posted here with her permission. It was published in this month by "The Silver Times" of CA.                                   My Most Memorable Christmas "I will never forget one special Christmas in 1942. I was nine years old and living in a Children's Home in New Jersey. My parents had split up when I was quite young, and when I was five years old, the family doctor suggested that my mother put me in the Home for various reasons, one being that I should be with children my own age. I would often walk through town on my way home from school and look longingly into the store windows at toys I knew I would never have. Around Christmas time that year, all the stores were decorated for the holidays, and I remember a Santa Claus in one store who would give us candy canes after we sat in his lap and told him what we wanted for Christmas. There was also a microphone beside him that was connected to a loudspeaker that could be heard outside by people passing by on the street. We were encouraged to sing Christmas carols over the mike and we loved that. Then one night just before Christmas, there was a knock on the door of the Children's Home. When my housemother answered it, there stood my father. He had received a Christmas bonus of $50 from work and wanted to take me shopping for Christmas, so the housemother took us downtown in the Home's car to do some last minute Christmas shopping. When we reached the toy store, my father told me I could have anything I wanted. it was any child's dream come true and I was in Seventh Heaven! After picking out quite a few toys, the house mother suggested I should be more practical and get some clothes as well as toys. So we went to a clothing store and got some clothes too. Fifty dollars went a long way in those days. That was one Christmas that really stands out in my memory, and for many years after that, my dad and I would relive that night in our memories together. It never failed to bring a warm glow and a smile to out faces.                                       Bettylou Steadman December 2013.                                              -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:744 Sender: Post Date/Time:2013-12-26 12:23:49 Subject:Fw: DNA Test Savings End Soon! Order Now! Message: From: Family Tree DNA Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:07 AM To: ladyfan3@... Subject: DNA Test Savings End Soon! Order Now! E-mail not displaying correctly? View it in your browser Dear Project Administrator, Thank you for another outstanding year of discovery at Family Tree DNA. As you may know, our end-of-the-year prices for new kit orders and upgrades is ending December 31, 2013. 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