----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:745 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-01-20 15:02:46 Subject:Robbins DNA Message: please submit all you ancestors to this site and you can look at the results of the Robbins DNA there also thanks shirley provide your Earliest Known Ancestor and a pedigree. For more information about submitting this information www.worldfamilies.net/postpedigree ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:746 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-01-20 18:34:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA Message: Hi, just making sure you sent this. On Monday, January 20, 2014 4:04 PM, "ladyfan3@..." wrote: please submit all you ancestors to this site and you can look at the results of the Robbins DNA there also thanks shirley provide your Earliest Known Ancestor and a pedigree. For more information about submitting this information www.worldfamilies.net/postpedigree ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:747 Sender:"Roy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2014-01-20 22:42:57 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA Message: I received this email from ladyfan3@... yesterday and I have not yet replied or forwarded it on to anyone. From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Hawley Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA Hi, just making sure you sent this. On Monday, January 20, 2014 4:04 PM, "ladyfan3@..." wrote: please submit all you ancestors to this site and you can look at the results of the Robbins DNA there also thanks shirley provide your Earliest Known Ancestor and a pedigree. For more information about submitting this information www.worldfamilies.net/postpedigree ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:748 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-01-21 05:26:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA Message: yes I did I want all who did the DNA with FTdna can go look at the matches on that site thanks shirley From: Roy Robbins Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:42 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA I received this email from ladyfan3@frontier.com yesterday and I have not yet replied or forwarded it on to anyone. From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Hawley Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins DNA Hi, just making sure you sent this. On Monday, January 20, 2014 4:04 PM, "ladyfan3@..." wrote: please submit all you ancestors to this site and you can look at the results of the Robbins DNA there also thanks< /p> shirley provide your Earliest Known Ancestor and a pedigree. For more information about submitting this information www.worldfamilies.net/postpedigree ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:749 Sender:"Jenny Dahl" Post Date/Time:2014-02-02 13:40:44 Subject:This is probably a silly question, but... Message: Are there any folks in Scotland who've taken the DNA test that match the Robins/Robinson/Robertson lines we have established here with the DNA project? Wouldn't that give us a clue as to where Daniel came from, who his father was, and who some of the family he left behind there might be? Jen ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:750 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2014-02-03 20:58:23 Subject:Re: This is probably a silly question, but... Message: If you look at the Y-DNA results from the Robins/Robbins line, you'll find that there is a considerable amount of Duncan surnames that match the 12 marker profiles. Not so much in the Robertson/Robinson surname. Duncan is in the same clan, but certainly not the name that you are looking for. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:751 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-02-03 21:53:44 Subject:Re: This is probably a silly question, but... Message: This was interesting to me, as on a marriage certificate for a Robbins ancestor the name Duncan is on it. Shirley Robbins Hawley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:752 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-02-04 08:36:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: This is probably a silly question, but... Message: When John German was doing his Robbins DNA project, I came out a 64 or 67 marker match with a known direct descendant of Daniel Rob(b)ins. When the Clan Donnachaidh Society (to which I belonged at the time0 did their D NA project a few years later I gave them access to my FTM DNA results. They told me that my DNA was closer to Duncan than it was to Robertson. Chris Robbins From: Richard Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 10:58 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: This is probably a silly question, but... If you look at the Y-DNA results from the Robins/Robbins line, you'll find that there is a considerable amount of Duncan surnames that match the 12 marker profiles. Not so much in the Robertson/Robinson surname. Duncan is in the same clan, but certainly not the name that you are looking for. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:753 Sender:Robin C Post Date/Time:2014-02-12 21:21:47 Subject:Passing of Edith Peterson Robbins Message: Although I hadn't seen her in years, I remember Aunt Edith from my childhood, as I was in and out of the house, playing with her daughter Lynn. Who would have thought that she would live to be 104? Edith Peterson Robbins AGE: 104 � Port Norris Edith Peterson Robbins, 104, of Port Norris died Saturday, Feb. 8, 2014 at home. She was the oldest member of the Port Norris Baptist Church, oldest member of the Port Norris High School Alumni, oldest alumni of Bridget on Business School and Rowan University formerly Glassboro State College. She was an educator in Fairton, Commercial Township and Maurice River Township. She is survived by her daughters, Rachel and her husband Ched and Edith Lynn, 4 grandchildren, 14 great grandchildren. She was predeceased by her husband, Willard S. Robbins, her parents, William B. and Emma B. Peterson , her brothers and sisters, Lucius, Sarah, Lizzie, Bertha, John Yates, Emma, Lida, Anna, William B., and Pearl. Funeral services will be held at the Port Norris Baptist Church on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 at 11:00 AM. Interment will be in Haleyville Cemetery. A viewing will be held Wednesday from 10:00 to 11:00 AM in the churc h. Memorial donations may be made to the Port Norris Baptist Church, 1672 Main Street, Port Norris, NJ 08349; The Port Norris Historical Society, P.O. Box 187, Port Norris, NJ 08349; Dividing Creek Historical Society, P .O. Box 131, Dividing Creek, NJ 08315 or Rowan University Foundation, ATTN: Kathy Royanski, Shpeen Hall, 40 N. Academy St., Glassboro, NJ 08028. Arrangements are being handled by Hoffman Funeral Homes, Port Norris. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:754 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-10 16:59:31 Subject:Descendants of James Harvey Robbins Message: Hello Robbins Family members, Looking for living descendants of James Harvey Robbins b. 1811 in Ohio & died 1883 in IL, especially males who carry the Robbins surname. This line connects to Aaron Robins, Sr through his son Samuel. If you can provi de any information on living descendants, please let me hear from you.. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:755 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-03-10 17:27:17 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Descendants of James Harvey Robbins Message: We have two James Robbins in our history, both brothers of my ancestors but I really don't know anything about them. One may have been born along the NY/Pa. border and lived near Waupun, Wi. My gt. grandfather was Edw ard Robbins. The Dodge Co. records burnt so, no help there. My Father was Jacob Robbins, wish we could connect. On Monday, March 10, 2014 6:59 PM, "july37@..." wrote: Hello Robbins Family members, Looking for living descendants of James Harvey Robbins b. 1811 in Ohio & died 1883 in IL, especially males who carry the Robbins surname. This line connects to Aaron Robins, Sr through his son Samuel. If you can provid e any information on living descendants, please let me hear from you.. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:756 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-03-11 13:01:43 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Descendants of James Harvey Robbins Message: Shirley, Good to hear from you. Please refresh my memory on your Robbins line & where you connect to the Daniel & Hope Robins family? Thanks for your response, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Hawley Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 5:27 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Descendants of James Harvey Robbins We have two James Robbins in our history, both brothers of my ancestors but I really don't know anything about them. One may have been born along the NY/Pa. border and lived near Waupun, Wi. My gt. grandfather was Edw ard Robbins. The Dodge Co. records burnt so, no help there. My Father was Jacob Robbins, wish we could connect. On Monday, March 10, 2014 6:59 PM, "july37@..." wrote: Hello Robbins Family members, Looking for living descendants of James Harvey Robbins b. 1811 in Ohio & died 1883 in IL, especially males who carry the Robbins surname. This line connects to Aaron Robins, Sr through his son Samuel. If you can provid e any information on living descendants, please let me hear from you.. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:757 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-11 13:49:16 Subject:Y-DNA Testing Message: Dear Members, Could someone tell me approximately how long it takes to receive Y-DNA test results? I was asked this question by someone who just took the test, I wasn't able to give them an answer. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:758 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-11 14:46:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing Message: if they sign in to their account on FTDNA it tells the expected date to come back from the lab and when it went to the lab certains things take longer its according to what test he did have them to sign in and look at the lab results and they will see when it is coming back hope this helps if not email me again shirley From: july37@... Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:49 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing Dear Members, Could someone tell me approximately how long it takes to receive Y-DNA test results? I was asked this question by someone who just took the test, I wasn't able to give them an answer. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:759 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2014-03-11 15:03:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing Message: Hi Robbins, Has any Robbins done the Family Finder DNA? Thanks, Jerry ________________________________ From: "ladyfan3@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing if they sign in to their account on FTDNA it tells the expected date to come back from the lab and when it went to the lab certains things take longer its according to what test he did have them to sign in and look at the lab results and they will see when it is coming back hope this helps if not email me again shirley From: july37@... Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:49 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing Dear Members, Could someone tell me approximately how long it takes to receive Y-DNA test results? I was asked this question by someone who just took the test, I wasn't able to give them an answer. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:760 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-11 15:34:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing Message: yes I think they have From: JERRY SCOTT Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:03 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing Hi Robbins, Has any Robbins done the Family Finder DNA? Thanks, Jerry From: "ladyfan3@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing if they sign in to their account on FTDNA it tells the expected date to come back from the lab and when it went to the lab certains things take longer its according to what test he did have them to sign in and look at the lab results and they will see when it is coming back hope this helps if not email me again shirley From: july37@... Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:49 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing Dear Members, Could someone tell me approximately how long it takes to receive Y-DNA test results? I was asked this question by someone who just took the test, I wasn't able to give them an answer. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:761 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-11 15:45:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing family finder Message: 6 family finders and more from other names last name not Robbins shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:762 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-03-11 15:45:36 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing Message: Shirley, Thank you very much for your answer & your willingness to help with the DNA questions as the administrator of the Robbins family FTDNA. Not sure where this man took the test. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ladyfan3@... Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:47 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing if they sign in to their account on FTDNA it tells the expected date to come back from the lab and when it went to the lab certains things take longer its according to what test he did have them to sign in and look at the lab results and they will see when it is coming back hope this helps if not email me again shirley From: july37@... Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:49 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing Dear Members, Could someone tell me approximately how long it takes to receive Y-DNA test results? I was asked this question by someone who just took the test, I wasn't able to give them an answer. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:763 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2014-03-11 16:41:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing family finder Message: Thanks Shirley, Question If these are descendants of the Robbins of New Jersey would it be possible that I might match with some of these folks. My test should be back by end of March. Jerry ________________________________ From: "ladyfan3@..." To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Y-DNA Testing family finder 6 family finders and more from other names last name not Robbins shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:764 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2014-03-12 04:26:18 Subject:Re: Y-DNA Testing family finder Message: I have taken the test for Ancestry through 23 and me. Matching people of Robbins ancestry is possible. I matched a woman that was a decendant of my great grandfather. I can't remember what the cM I matched with her right now, but she popped up at the top of the list, with something like 3.9 generations back. I found her through a third party site called gedmatch.com. This site allows you to match people from different companies. If you have tested with FF on FTDNA, or Ancestry or 23, I would encourage you to upload your raw data to Gedmatch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:765 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-13 10:37:03 Subject:Re: Passing of Edith Peterson Robbins Message: Robyn, Thank you for posting the obituary of Edith Peterson Robbins of Port Norris, NJ. Edith was my great-aunt, sister of my grandmother Sarah Ann Peterson Robbins. The Peterson ladies had strong constitutions, hope I inheri ted a few of those genes. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:766 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2014-03-13 19:08:42 Subject:Re: Y-DNA Testing family finder Message: I forgot to add that the genealogical time frame is pretty limited for matching people. Useful matches are probably limited to around just under 8 generations back. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:767 Sender:Robin C Post Date/Time:2014-03-16 19:04:00 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Passing of Edith Peterson Robbins Message: Sara, I agree about the strong constitutions of the Peterson women, and I do hope that you inherited those genes! How long did your grandother live? I remember her as my great-aunt Sally, sister-in-law to my grandfath er. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of july37@... [july37@...] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:37 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Passing of Edith Peterson Robbins Robyn, Thank you for posting the obituary of Edith Peterson Robbins of Port Norris, NJ. Edith was my great-aunt, sister of my grandmother Sarah Ann Peterson Robbins. The Peterson ladies had strong constitutions, hope I inherit ed a few of those genes. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:768 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-03-17 13:29:40 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Passing of Edith Peterson Robbins Message: Robyn, Your Aunt Sallie my grandmother was almost 90 when she died. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin C Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:04 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Passing of Edith Peterson Robbins Sara, I agree about the strong constitutions of the Peterson women, and I do hope that you inherited those genes! How long did your grandother live? I remember her as my great-aunt Sally, sister-in-law to my grandfather. Robyn jrobin11@... Brew the coffee --- and they will come . . . ________________________________________ From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of july37@... [july37@...] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:37 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Passing of Edith Peterson Robbins Robyn, Thank you for posting the obituary of Edith Peterson Robbins of Port Norris, NJ. Edith was my great-aunt, sister of my grandmother Sarah Ann Peterson Robbins. The Peterson ladies had strong constitutions, hope I inherited a few of those genes. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:769 Sender:Jennifer Robins Post Date/Time:2014-03-18 05:54:44 Subject:3 dead Robins girls? Message: Hello, There's always been a story in our family history about 3 girls that died in a fire, but no one seemed to know their names. The story said that they boys were out in the field and they all came running in to discover th eir three sisters badly burned, possibly from some kind of cooking fire. So I started looking on ancestry.com for any evidence of this, and I actually discovered a page in the death records. In April 1900 these records show 3 deaths from a fire. The girls names were Louisa, Della, and Addie. I am going to attach the document.� It seems Della's parents were John Robins and Ameila Robins, the parents of Louisa seemed to be William James Robins and Mary Jane Robins. I can't find any record of an Addie Robins, but she was only 2 when she died. On e girl died within 2 hours of the fire, but the other 2 died 12 days later...� Does anyone have any other information or stories about this fire? Thanks, Chris and Jennifer Robins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:770 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-03-18 16:10:43 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? [1 Attachment] Message: Chris & Jennifer, Where did the fire incident occur, what State, town? You may be able to check a local newspaper that may have covered the story. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Robins Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:55 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? [1 Attachment] Hello, There's always been a story in our family history about 3 girls that died in a fire, but no one seemed to know their names. The story said that they boys were out in the field and they all came running in to discover their three sisters badly burned, possibly from some kind of cooking fire. So I started looking on ancestry.com for any evidence of this, and I actually discovered a page in the death records. In April 1900 these records show 3 deaths from a fire. The girls names were Louisa, Della, and Addie. I am going to attach the document. It seems Della's parents were John Robins and Ameila Robins, the parents of Louisa seemed to be William James Robins and Mary Jane Robins. I can't find any record of an Addie Robins, but she was only 2 when she died. One girl died within 2 hours of the fire, but the other 2 died 12 days later... Does anyone have any other information or stories about this fire? Thanks, Chris and Jennifer Robins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:771 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-18 16:30:00 Subject:NEW MEMBERS Message: Dear New Members, I'd like to mention that it can be helpful to the group & to yourselves if you post what you are researching. This makes it possible for us as a group to learn from each other. It doesn't matter if yo u are a longtime researcher or a novice we'd like to hear from you. Silence Is Not Golden here at the Robbins Family Society. :>) Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:772 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-19 06:09:07 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? [1 Attachment] Message: It was in gainsboro.township which is the land surrounding wellandport ontario,canada. We have tried a google search with no success. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:773 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-03-19 13:16:02 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? Message: Thanks for the location. Thought possibly this tragic event would be published in a newspaper but don’t have any idea where Canada newspapers are located online. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jlrobins87@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 6:09 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? It was in gainsboro.township which is the land surrounding wellandport ontario,canada. We have tried a google search with no success. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:774 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2014-03-19 17:06:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? Message: You might try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_online_newspaper_archives#Ontario Bill Collins ________________________________ From: Sara Hoffman To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:16 PM Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? Thanks for the location. Thought possibly this tragic event would be published in a newspaper but don’t have any idea where Canada newspapers are located online. Sara From:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jlrobins87@... Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 6:09 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? It was in gainsboro.township which is the land surrounding wellandport ontario,canada. We have tried a google search with no success. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:775 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2014-03-19 18:21:00 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? [1 Attachment] Message: You might want to try writing to the Local History section of the Welland Public Library. Their reference librarians might have some suggestions for you. Here is their address: info@... And their web site is: http://localhistory.welland.library.on.ca/ They have indexed some newspapers and you can search the indexes; I tried the names you gave, but didn't get any results. Gainsboro is not in Welland Co.--but it is very close. Tracey Marcelo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:776 Sender:Murray Aspden Post Date/Time:2014-03-19 19:58:28 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? [1 Attachment] Message: Hi all, When I realized the three girls died in or near Wellandport, Gainsboro Tp., Lincoln Co., Ontario, this is close to where I grew up and even closer to where I was a minister in Binbrook, ON. I started to dig in to see wh at can be found. Their death registration gives Concession I lot 14 for each child. That is the location of Wellanport. There are three libraries that may help in the Niagara Regional Library System: http://www.westlincolnlibrary.ca Wellandport has been in West Lincoln of the Niagara Region for some time now. Online newspaper archives are scarce in Ontario. However the local libraries tend to be the places to do research. May I suggest Smithsville and Grimsby as the two most likely communities who would have newspapers back then. Certainly St. Catherines and Hamilton newspapers would have covered this sad story. The main branch library for Hamilton has an excelle nt local and archival collection. Perhaps Brock University in St. Catherines and McMaster University in Hamilton may also help. On Ancestry.com, we can find the marriage of John Robins to Ameila Jones on 9 April 1872 in Moulton Tp., Haldimand Co., Ontario. This area has been of intense interest for some time by some of us in this and the previous Yahoo! Group. Murray Aspden ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:777 Sender:Murray Aspden Post Date/Time:2014-03-19 20:40:29 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? [1 Attachment] Message: Dilla Robins came from a very large family. Found her birth registration under Elizabeth Robins: Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about Elizabeth Robins Name: Elizabeth Robins Date of Birth: 30 Apr 1882 Gender: Female Birth County or District: Lincoln Father's Name: John Robins Mother's nname Amelia Jones Archive Name: Archives of Ontario Archive Series: MS929 Archive Reel: 54 Also the 1891 CDN census has her family enumerated in the Monck District. There was a change of County and township boundaries back then. But Gainsboro Tp. would revert back to Lincoln Co. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:778 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-21 13:48:49 Subject:Re: robbinsfamilysociety Message: I never heard this story before, but then again my Robins/Robbins ancestors never spoke of anything that happened over in Canada when they lived there. If they did, that was lost to the ages when my Great Grandfather di ed in the late 40's. In any event, these girls are obviously some sort of relative to me. Just where in the tree they are, I have no idea. And Murray, Sara had put together a Mundia tree that connected my Robins to the NJ Robins, through the deeds that were probated in NJ for Daniel Robins, father of Stephen and Daniel of Gainsboro. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:779 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2014-03-21 13:54:02 Subject:Big -Y FTDNA Message: Has there been anyone that has participated in this new test at FTDNA? This test opens up a lot of new SNP's that could peg the origins of the Y-DNA in a more precise manner. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:780 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-21 17:16:54 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? [1 Attachment] Message: While a search in Ancestry.com gives us only one Louisa Robins, d/o Wm. James Robins and Mary Jane Leslie, their location, Osprey Tp., Grey Co., Ontario makes it unlikely this is Louisa we are looking for. However, we n eed to do further research. As to Addie, I too have searched online for the past two days drawing a blank. Where were these three girls buried? So far no online source for the most likely cemeteries around Wellandport g ive any clues. Could it be that no headstones mark their graves? Riverside-Wellandport Cemetery across the river from the village would be the most likely. However, Dilla's mother was United Brethren at her wedding to J ohn. Therefore it is possible that she is buried in a Brethren church yard nearby. Since the Robins are Methodists, their archives for that area are most likely at McMaster U. If not the main archives for the United Ch urch of Canada is on the campus of Victoria University of the U. of Toronto. Since I was ordained in Hamilton Conference and served in that conference at Binbrook-Blackheath, I may be able to find out more through colle agues in my home city and conference. While most of the United Brethren became part of the United Church of Canada in 1968, some of the United Brethren in the Niagara Peninsula did not enter the union. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:781 Sender:Roy Post Date/Time:2014-03-21 18:42:23 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Big -Y FTDNA Message: I recently ordered an expanded test that goes up to 60 or 70 something from the 30 or 40 that I had done some time ago. I expect to submit my sample in about 10 days. -----Original Message----- From: "Richard Robbins" Sent: â3/â21/â2014 2:54 PM To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Big -Y FTDNA Has there been anyone that has participated in this new test at FTDNA? This test opens up a lot of new SNP's that could peg the origins of the Y-DNA in a more precise manner. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:782 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-21 19:59:25 Subject:Re: robbinsfamilysociety Message: We used some old maps and found a plot of land right above the Welland River, and I think we found where it happened. It looks like it was right between Canborough Rd. and Creek Rd, near Route 27. There are a few house s there, but mostly farmland. Thanks for everyone's help! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:783 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-21 20:50:02 Subject:DNA Message: I can't contact my DNA from Family Tree DNA anymore. Please help. Kit 111211. Shirley Robbins Hawley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:784 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-22 13:51:10 Subject:Re: DNA Message: It's obviously your password, since your kit number still is in FTDNA on the Robins y-dna page. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:785 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-03-25 06:01:21 Subject:Fwd: Concerning Dale Bennett Robbins Message: I received the following email this morning and work love your help in helping Miguel (who I do not know) locate more information about Dale Bennett Robbins. After a quick Google search I did find this fun editorial Dale wrote to the New York Times about Spain: http://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/08/travel/l-spain-967487.html Thanks in advance! âTod ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Miguel Rivas-Micoud* Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 Subject: Concerning Dale Bennett Robbins To: todd.d.robbins@... Hi there, While organizing some papers I came across a letter from Dale Bennett Robbins, who apparently was a close friend of my fathers. The letter is dated March 17, 1983, and has his address as 219 West Saddle River Road, Saddle River, New Jersey 07458, and a telephone number as 201-825-1591. In his letter he mentions me and his wife (I assume) Lenore and from the content he seems to have known and been friends with my father for a very long time. Some of the things he writes in the letter intrigued me and I began a search to see if he is still alive perhaps. My father died of Parkinsons at the age of 79 quite some time ago, so depending on how old Dale was at the time, I might be out of luck, but one never knows. Just wondering if you might have any information about him and/or how I could go about looking. I live in Japan, and that is a bit too far away to make a visit myself. Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide. Sincerely, Miguel Miguel Rivas-Micoud mhr@... -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:786 Sender:"Dave Robbins" Post Date/Time:2014-03-25 09:02:42 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fwd: Concerning Dale Bennett Robbins Message: Social Security Death Index has a Dale B. Robbins with the following information: Name: Dale B. Robbins Last Residence: 07458 Saddle River, Bergen, New Jersey, USA BORN: 8 Feb 1916 Died: 4 Sep 1993 State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951) One citation does not certainty make, but this suggests that the above Dale B. is the same Dale for whom Miguel is searching. Regards, Dave Robbins From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of todd.d.robbins@... Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fwd: Concerning Dale Bennett Robbins I received the following email this morning and work love your help in helping Miguel (who I do not know) locate more information about Dale Bennett Robbins. After a quick Google search I did find this fun editorial Dale wrote to the New York Times about Spain: http://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/08/travel/l-spain-967487.html Thanks in advance! âTod ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Miguel Rivas-Micoud Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 Subject: Concerning Dale Bennett Robbins To: todd.d.robbins@... Hi there, While organizing some papers I came across a letter from Dale Bennett Robbins, who apparently was a close friend of my fathers. The letter is dated March 17, 1983, and has his address as 219 West Saddle River Road, Sadd le River, New Jersey 07458, and a telephone number as 201-825-1591. In his letter he mentions me and his wife (I assume) Lenore and from the content he seems to have known and been friends with my father for a very long time. Some of the things he writes in the letter intrigued me and I began a search to see if he is still alive perhaps. My father died of Parkinsons at the age of 79 quite some time ago, so depending on how old Dale was at the time, I might be out of luck, but one never knows. Just won dering if you might have any information about him and/or how I could go about looking. I live in Japan, and that is a bit too far away to make a visit myself. Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide. Sincerely, Miguel Miguel Rivas-Micoud mhr@... -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:787 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-03-25 09:25:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fwd: Concerning Dale Bennett Robbins Message: Great work Dave! Now we have a few more data points to find out more. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Dave Robbins wrote: > > > Social Security Death Index has a Dale B. Robbins with the following > information: > > *Name:* > > Dale B. Robbins > > *Last Residence:* > > 07458 Saddle River, Bergen, New Jersey, USA > > *BORN:* > > 8 Feb 1916 > > *Died:* > > 4 Sep 1993 > > *State (Year) SSN issued:* > > New York (Before 1951) > > One citation does not certainty make, but this suggests that the above > Dale B. is the same Dale for whom Miguel is searching. > > Regards, > > Dave Robbins > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of * > todd.d.robbins@... > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 25, 2014 8:01 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Fwd: Concerning Dale Bennett Robbins > > > > > > I received the following email this morning and work love your help in > helping Miguel (who I do not know) locate more information about Dale > Bennett Robbins. > > > > After a quick Google search I did find this fun editorial Dale wrote to > the New York Times about Spain: > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/08/travel/l-spain-967487.html > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > âTod > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Miguel Rivas-Micoud* > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 > Subject: Concerning Dale Bennett Robbins > To: todd.d.robbins@... > > > Hi there, > > While organizing some papers I came across a letter from Dale Bennett > Robbins, who apparently was a close friend of my fathers. The letter is > dated March 17, 1983, and has his address as 219 West Saddle River Road, > Saddle River, New Jersey 07458, and a telephone number as 201-825-1591. > > In his letter he mentions me and his wife (I assume) Lenore and from the > content he seems to have known and been friends with my father for a very > long time. Some of the things he writes in the letter intrigued me and I > began a search to see if he is still alive perhaps. My father died of > Parkinsons at the age of 79 quite some time ago, so depending on how old > Dale was at the time, I might be out of luck, but one never knows. Just > wondering if you might have any information about him and/or how I could go > about looking. > > I live in Japan, and that is a bit too far away to make a visit myself. > > Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide. > > Sincerely, > > Miguel > > > Miguel Rivas-Micoud > mhr@... > > > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:788 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-26 15:30:51 Subject:A clan meeting in St. Albert, Alberta Message: How often do 8th cousins meet and realize our ties go way back? Roy Robbins of Jamestown, NY is here in St. Albert, Alberta, Canada, visiting his family who moved here last year. Like his daughter, they seek me out at m y workplace - Canadian Tire. So when a stranger comes up to me and recognizes me, I take great pleasure in saying, "Hello cousin". Yesterday morning, Roy and I met at Lori's home. We were going over his research on our Robins Family History on his laptop. He realized that we shared membership in Robbins Family Society and had sent me several documents as well as sharing his Ancestry.com Public Member Tree with the teams' Public Membe r Tree that I edit. Despite the differences in distance we knew we were both current with our Society's discussions. We realized our common interest in Ontario could make our visit most rewarding. And it appears that is happening. Little clues were picked up in our conversation. Light bulbs were going on! Clues that may resolve long held puzzles. What caught my cousin really off guard is telling him I had preached in Bemus Point, Chautuaqua Co., NY. Around 1978, my family were made most welcome by Bemus Point United Methodist Church. Where we stayed was ever so close to Roy's home in that community. Roy then tried to find pictures of one of his Canadian cousins. He told me one was taken amongst the trees in the Mayville park..... I added, "by the lake (Chautauqua)." Yes I had been in Roy's home town as our hosts t ook us on a tour around that lake on the Sunday afternoon after the church service. And there is more. Roy's first cousin, Dale Robbin, of Lakewood, NY, and I have also been working closely together. It turns out that his mother was a Rubner. One of my cousins in nearby Sherman, NY married Dale's firs t cousin. Back in 1977, I had no idea my Aspden family came over from Lancashire, England and settled in Chautuaqua County. Indeed my 4x Great Grandparents, Joseph and Betty Aspden, are buried there as well as two of th eir children, Michael and Rachel. Even as an undergraduate at Kent State University, I travelled often through Chautuaqua County. I had no idea that my Aspden family had settled and established themselves there. And now we discover our families are intertwined. Murray Aspden ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:789 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-03-26 16:28:35 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] 3 dead Robins girls? [1 Attachment] Message: My Marr family line was from Binbrook. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:790 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-04-05 16:47:35 Subject:Robbins from North Carolina Message: Does anyone have information regarding a Joseph Robbins born in 1807 in North Carolina. He married Elizabeth Schupe from Virginia. It appears that this Robbins line and my Robbins line (descended from Brintnell Robbins in Connecticut/Pennsylvania) end up in neighboring counties in Illinois with children named John who married Elizabeth. Just wondering if anyone knows of the Robbins from North Carolina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:791 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-04-06 15:36:10 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins from North Carolina Message: Do you have a reliable source like a marriage record for the information that Joseph Robbins b. 1807 in NC married Elizabeth Schupe from VA? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joy2002cjm@... Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:48 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins from North Carolina Does anyone have information regarding a Joseph Robbins born in 1807 in North Carolina. He married Elizabeth Schupe from Virginia. It appears that this Robbins line and my Robbins line (descended from Brintnell Robbins in Connecticut/Pennsylvania) end up in neighboring counties in Illinois with children named John who married Elizabeth. Just wondering if anyone knows of the Robbins from North Carolina. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:792 Sender:joy2002cjm Post Date/Time:2014-04-06 20:28:36 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins from North Carolina Message: I was presented with this info. I was told it is based on military and census records. Part of my family line was intermixed in error. I looked on family search and found this. And a later census in Illinois, tazwell co unty that matches and supports the info presented to me. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M8TX-THF So curious to me that these 2 families landed so close at the same time. I thought maybe someone in the group may know more Sent from Samsung tablet ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:793 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-04-07 16:32:24 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins from North Carolina Message: Iâve looked through my files for all the Joseph Robbins born on & about 1807 in NC & find none that fits your description. However, Iâm only looking at the descendants of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins who migrated from N J to the southern USA. This family is the primary focus of this site. From a quick internet search, it appears Joseph Robbins b. abt. 1807 migrated from NC to Lee Co VA where he married abt. 1831 Elizabeth Shupe born abt. 1810 in VA. The Illinois Death & Stillbirths Index 1916-1947 recor ds Samuel F. Robbins b. 11-5-1847 in Lee Co., VA & died 4-30-1931 in Atlanta, Logan Co. IL at age 83. He is buried in the Atlanta Cemetery. Samuelâs father is listed as Joseph Robbins b. Grayson Co. TN & mother Elizabe th Shupe born Grayson Co., TN. The 1860 TN census records Joseph b. in NC & Elizabeth in VA & children all born in VA. Joseph Robbins apparently was deceased before 1870 in TN. Samuel Robbinsâ gravestone can be found o n findagrave.com. He was a veteran of the Civil War serving with Co. B. 8th TN Cavalry. If your question about the intermixing of these families is important to your Robbins family research, my suggestion would be to do DNA testing. Possibly your Brintnell Robbins line may have already tested? You could waste a lot of time & effort on attempting to establish a paper trail only to find a dead end. Best wishes with your research. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joy2002cjm Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:29 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins from North Carolina I was presented with this info. I was told it is based on military and census records. Part of my family line was intermixed in error. I looked on family search and found this. And a later census in Illinois, tazwell co unty that matches and supports the info presented to me. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M8TX-THF So curious to me that these 2 families landed so close at the same time. I thought maybe someone in the group may know more Sent from Samsung tablet ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:794 Sender:joy2002cjm Post Date/Time:2014-04-07 19:59:40 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins from North Carolina Message: Thank you Sara! It sounds right. Joseph had a son Samuel and a brother John. It is this John where the confusion comes in. Apparently John W. Robbins brother of Samuel and son of Joseph was in illinois very near where my John W. Robbin s lived. However, my John W. Robbins is the son of Brintnell Robbins, the grandson of the patriot. Both John's were born in 1851. I have my great grandfather's death certificate confirming my lineage, but I cant find th is other John W. Robbins.  Both families were established for generations in neighboring counties. It's all so coincidental and unusual. Thanks Sara, I will keep working on it. Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- From Sara Hoffman Date: 04/07/2014 7:32 PM (GMT-05:00) To robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins from North Carolina Iâve looked through my files for all the Joseph Robbins born on & about 1807 in NC & find none that fits your description. However, Iâm only looking at the descendants of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins who migrated from NJ to the southern USA. This family is the primary focus of this site.  From a quick internet search, it appears Joseph Robbins b. abt. 1807 migrated from NC to Lee Co VA where he married abt. 1831 Elizabeth Shupe born abt. 1810 in VA. The Illinois Death & Stillbirths Index 1916-1947 reco rds Samuel F. Robbins b. 11-5-1847 in Lee Co., VA & died 4-30-1931 in Atlanta, Logan Co. IL at age 83. He is buried in the Atlanta Cemetery. Samuelâs father is listed as Joseph Robbins b. Grayson Co. TN & mother Eliza beth Shupe born Grayson Co., TN. The 1860  TN census records Joseph b. in NC & Elizabeth in VA & children all born in VA. Joseph Robbins apparently was deceased before 1870 in TN. Samuel Robbinsâ gravestone can be foun d on findagrave.com. He was a veteran of the Civil War serving with Co. B. 8th TN Cavalry.  If your question about the intermixing of these families is important to your Robbins family research, my suggestion would be to do DNA testing. Possibly your Brintnell Robbins line may have already tested? You could waste a lot of time & effort on attempting to establish a paper trail only to find a dead end. Best wishes with your research.                                                                         Sara   From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of joy2002cjm Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:29 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins from North Carolina   I was presented with this info. I was told it is based on military and census records. Part of my family line was intermixed in error. I looked on family search and found this. And a later census in Illinois, tazwell co unty that matches and supports the info presented to me.  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M8TX-THF  So curious to me that these 2 families landed so close at the same time. I thought maybe someone in the group may know more     Sent from Samsung tablet ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:795 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-04-27 11:07:13 Subject:Descendants of James Harvey Robbins Message: Dear Group, The following may be of interest to the descendants of James Harvey Robbins b..4-12- 1811 in Hamilton Co. Ohio & d. 4-12-1883 in Iroquois Co., IL. James H. Robbins married Sarah Gage b. 5-19-1816 Fairfield Co., CT & d. 11-2-1858 Iroquois Co., IL. Their children were Asa Disbro Robbins, Lucy Ann Robbins Franklin,Caroline M. Robbins Callahan, Wm D. Robbins & Henry Harrison Robbins. James Harvey Robbins was linked to Samuel & Jane Marks Robbins as their son in the book "The Ancestry of Asa Windsor Robbins" by Wilma Robbins Meaden. I know from discussion with Wilma on the topic of James Harvey Rob bins & his parentage that she was never 100% certain of this connection. Wilma who was an excellent researcher presented all the information she had available at the time. However, with continuing research additional do cumentation has been discovered & confirmed by Y-DNA testing. It proves this Robbins line is not related to the Daniel Robins family & doesn't match any other Robbins family. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:796 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2014-05-08 16:01:56 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /Obituary of Raymond deBerlhe.jpg Uploaded by : turkeypt2 Description : Obituary of Raymond deBerlhe You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/robbinsfamilysociety/files/Obituary%20of%20Raymond%20deBerlhe.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, turkeypt2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:797 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-05-08 16:07:28 Subject:Death of Raymond deBerlhe Message: My deepest sympathy to member Shirley Robbins deBerlhe on the death of her son Raymond Louis deBerlhe. I have posted Raymond's obituary in the group's file. Ray will be greatly missed by his mother, brother & other fami ly members. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:798 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-19 07:36:06 Subject:Robbins Family in the South Message: Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. Page 76: Joshua Robins 20010-22010-00 "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robinses wer e in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins family w ent to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 Oct. 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;Jesse Robin s, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family were living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of John St ewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." Chris Robbins Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. Page 76: Joshua Robins 20010-22010-00 "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robinses wer e in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins family w ent to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 Oct. 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;Jesse Robin s, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family were living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of John St ewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." Chris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:799 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2014-05-19 08:51:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family in the South Message: I believe this is the family of Michael Robbins son of Daniel Robbins b/ 1709 who many has born in Wales . I have Jesse in my family tree born 1772 1850 Walker Co Alabama Census On Monday, May 19, 2014 9:36 AM, "C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: ----- Forwarded Message -----  Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robinses w ere in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins fami ly went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 Oct. 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;Jesse Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family were living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of John S tewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." Chris Robbins Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robinses w ere in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins fami ly went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 Oct. 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;Jesse Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family were living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of John S tewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." Chris Robbins Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robinses w ere in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins fami ly went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 Oct. 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;Jesse Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family were living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of John S tewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." Chris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:800 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-05-20 11:36:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family in the South Message: Jerry, Michael Robins (Robbins) of NC and SC seems to be a son of Richard Robins B. 1710. Richard is shown on Robbins DNA group with descendants of Daniel Robins (Robinson) and Hope PPotter. That Wales thing has been a fairy tale. Try to find the research of John German on tthe web. He was a wonderful researcher on this family. My family line is Richard b. 1710> Michael> Jesse> Jesse Jr> Daniel> Martha Jane who married Martin Painter in Winston Co. Alabama ---- "JERRY SCOTT jerryscott572@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > I believe this is the family of Michael Robbins son of Daniel Robbins b/ 1709 who many has born in Wales . I have Jesse in my family tree born 1772 1850 Walker Co Alabama Census > > > On Monday, May 19, 2014 9:36 AM, "C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > >  > > > > Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. > Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 > "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robinses were in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins fa mily went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 Oct . 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;Jes se Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family were > living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of John Stewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." > > Chris Robbins > > > > > Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. > Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 > "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robinses were in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins fa mily went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 Oct . 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;Jes se Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family were > living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of John Stewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." > > Chris Robbins > > > > > > Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. > Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 > "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robinses were in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins fa mily went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 Oct . 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;Jes se Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family were > living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of John Stewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." > > Chris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:801 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-20 12:38:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family in the South Message: That makes us distant cousins. My line is Richard, Isaac, John Fletcher, George Franklin, Nathan B, George Lindsay, Sr, George Robbins, Jr.  It was my DNA that was an almost perfect match with a known direct descendant of Daniel Robinson/Robins.  Chris Robbins From: "cgilleece@cfl.rr.com [robbinsfamilysociety]" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family in the South  Jerry, Michael Robins (Robbins) of NC and SC seems to be a son of Richard Robins B. 1710. Richard is shown on Robbins DNA group with descendants of Daniel Robins (Robinson) and Hope PPotter. That Wales thing has been a fairy tale. Try to find the research of John German on tthe web. He was a wonderful researcher on this family. My family line is Richard b. 1710> Michael> Jesse> Jesse Jr> Daniel> Martha Jane who married Martin Painter in Winston Co. Alabama ---- "JERRY SCOTT jerryscott572@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > I believe this is the family of Michael Robbins son of Daniel Robbins b/ 1709 who many has born in Wales . I have Jesse in my family tree born 1772 1850 Walker Co Alabama Census > > > On Monday, May 19, 2014 9:36 AM, "C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > >  > > > > Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. > Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 > "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robinses were in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins fa mily went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 Oct . 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;Jes se Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family were > living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of John Stewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." > > Chris Robbins > > > > > Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. > Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 > "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robinses were in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins fa mily went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 Oct . 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;Jes se Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family were > living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of John Stewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." > > Chris Robbins > > > > > > Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. > Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 > "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robinses were in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins fa mily went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 Oct . 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;Jes se Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family were > living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of John Stewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." > > Chris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:802 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-05-20 12:47:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family in the South Message: Chris, thanks for putting your DNA out there. It is so important to research. DNA has broken thru some brick walls and helped us eliminate untruths where someone just trys to make the info fit. John German is missed by all of us for his inlightening research and the aide of DNA from folks like you . nice to meet a cousin....CG ---- "C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > That makes us distant cousins. My line is Richard, Isaac, John Fletcher, George Franklin, Nathan B, George Lindsay, Sr, George Robbins, Jr. >  > It was my DNA that was an almost perfect match with a known direct descendant of Daniel Robinson/Robins. >  > Chris Robbins > > From: "cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Family in the South > >  > > Jerry, Michael Robins (Robbins) of NC and SC seems to be a son of Richard Robins B. 1710. Richard is shown on Robbins DNA group with descendants of Daniel Robins (Robinson) and Hope PPotter. That Wales thing has been a fairy tale. Try to find the research of John German on tthe web. He was a wonderful researcher on this family. My family line is Richard b. 1710> Michael> Jesse> Jesse Jr> Daniel> Martha Jane who married Martin Painte r in Winston Co. Alabama > > ---- "JERRY SCOTT jerryscott572@sbcglobal.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > I believe this is the family of Michael Robbins son of Daniel Robbins b/ 1709 who many has born in Wales . I have Jesse in my family tree born 1772 1850 Walker Co Alabama Census > > > > > > On Monday, May 19, 2014 9:36 AM, "C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. > > Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 > > "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robins es were in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins family went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 O ct. 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;J esse Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family > were > > living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of Joh n Stewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." > > > > Chris Robbins > > > > > > > > > > Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. > > Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 > > "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robins es were in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins family went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 O ct. 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;J esse Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family > were > > living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of Joh n Stewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." > > > > Chris Robbins > > > > > > > > > > > > Found the following in a publication titled "1800 Census of Pendleton District, South Carolina." William C. Sttewart, Compiler. Published by the National Genealogical Society, 1963. > > Page 76: Joshua Robins  20010-22010-00 > > "The Robins family came from New Jersey and arrived in Rowan County, N.C., by 1753, and in Randolph County, N.C., about the same time. They intermarried with the Vickery and Nations families. By 1790, the Robins es were in Chester and Greenville Districts, S.C., and in Pendleton District by 1793. Levi and Joshua Robins were living in 1800 on Little River of Keowee. Along with the Stewarts from Pendleton, some of the Robins family went to Baldwin and Jasper Counties, Ga., and then to Alabama. By 1830, Aaron, Joseph, Levi, John, Michael and Jesse Robins were in Walker County, Alabama. Levi Wilson Robins entered land in Walker County 4 O ct. 1832; John B. Robins, born 1809 in South Carolina, who marrried Nancy, daughteer of Moses Barton, entered land 18 Nov 1813; William A. Robins entered land 15 April 1834, was elected tax collector, and died c. 1848;J esse Robins, born 1772 in North Carolina, entered land 21 Dec. 1835. Others of the family > were > > living in Blount County, Ala.,and Yalobusha County, Miss., in 1840. Ira, son of William A. Robins, was born in Walker County 16 Dev 1836, operated the Jasper Academy, and married Editha McCarn, grandaughter of Joh n Stewart, son of William Stewart of Pendleton District." > > > > Chris Robbins > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:803 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-05-25 20:25:41 Subject:Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: I thought that it would be interesting to participate in the FTDNA group that is forming for the Scottish Prisoners from the battles of Dunbar and Worchester. Having submitted an application, the question from the group administrator is basically asking for a paper trail for the ancestor, specifically Daniel Robinson (Robins). I gave him the link to the paper written by Sara , but I do have a couple of questions regarding that booklet, if someone doesn't mind answering them. First, how did the parents of Daniel get found? And what records were used for the connection between our Daniel and them? Second, would be the diary entry and oral history of the indenture of Daniel, is there a copy of this entry available? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:804 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 09:39:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Richard, please do join the Scottish prisoners DNA project. I have never seen any proof of Daniel Robins(Robinson)'s parents. I have seen only speculation....This study just might lead us to his family over the pond!! D o you mind sharing you link to Daniel? I am part of the Richard born 1710 descendants. Richard b. 1710> Michael> Jesse> Jesse jr.> Daniel >Martha Jane who married Martin Painter in Winston C. AL.Do you als mind sharing your FTDNA kir #. Thanks Caroline ---- "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > I thought that it would be interesting to participate in the FTDNA group that is forming for the Scottish Prisoners from the battles of Dunbar and Worchester. > > > Having submitted an application, the question from the group administrator is basically asking for a paper trail for the ancestor, specifically Daniel Robinson (Robins). I gave him the link to the paper written by Sa ra, but I do have a couple of questions regarding that booklet, if someone doesn't mind answering them. > > > First, how did the parents of Daniel get found? And what records were used for the connection between our Daniel and them? > > > Second, would be the diary entry and oral history of the indenture of Daniel, is there a copy of this entry available? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:805 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 10:45:40 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Richard, Do you have a copy of the âRobins, Robbins of New Jerseyâ book? It has the Bible record with the birthplace of Daniel Robins as Scotland & the names of his father & mother as Richard & Mary. The book is at familysearch. com in the book section so anyone can view the record. There are many details on how Daniel Robins of NJ connects back to New Haven, the ship John & Sara & Daniel Robinson. Many of these subjects were discussed on the old Robbins forum & newer members arenât aware of the history. I encourage you to join the DNA Scottish prisoner DNA group. The project may lead to the relationship between Daniel Robinson & the other Robinson prisoners. You can contact me at july37@... if you feel you need my help with your application. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:26 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database I thought that it would be interesting to participate in the FTDNA group that is forming for the Scottish Prisoners from the battles of Dunbar and Worchester. Having submitted an application, the question from the group administrator is basically asking for a paper trail for the ancestor, specifically Daniel Robinson (Robins). I gave him the link to the paper written by Sara, but I do have a couple of questions regarding that booklet, if someone doesn't mind answering them. First, how did the parents of Daniel get found? And what records were used for the connection between our Daniel and them? Second, would be the diary entry and oral history of the indenture of Daniel, is there a copy of this entry available? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:806 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 10:56:49 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Caroline, You are correct, there is a great deal of speculation on the parents of Daniel Robinson/Robins. In fact some people have created an entire history for Danielâs parents. I see them on ancestry trees a lot. The only recor d I know for Daniel Robins parentâs is the Bible record. The Scottish DNA study may lead to relatives as you say âacross the pond.â Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:40 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Richard, please do join the Scottish prisoners DNA project. I have never seen any proof of Daniel Robins(Robinson)'s parents. I have seen only speculation....This study just might lead us to his family over the pond!! D o you mind sharing you link to Daniel? I am part of the Richard born 1710 descendants. Richard b. 1710> Michael> Jesse> Jesse jr.> Daniel >Martha Jane who married Martin Painter in Winston C. AL.Do you als mind sharing your FTDNA kir #. Thanks Caroline ---- "richard.robbins13@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > I thought that it would be interesting to participate in the FTDNA group that is forming for the Scottish Prisoners from the battles of Dunbar and Worchester. > > > Having submitted an application, the question from the group administrator is basically asking for a paper trail for the ancestor, specifically Daniel Robinson (Robins). I gave him the link to the paper written by Sar a, but I do have a couple of questions regarding that booklet, if someone doesn't mind answering them. > > > First, how did the parents of Daniel get found? And what records were used for the connection between our Daniel and them? > > > Second, would be the diary entry and oral history of the indenture of Daniel, is there a copy of this entry available? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:807 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 11:21:59 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Thought I might throw my two cents into this discussion. As most of you know I participated in John German's Robbins DNA project. My DNA was an almost perfect match to a known direct descendant of Daniel. Also, for s everal years, I was a member of the Clan Donnachaidh Society of Scotland. When they did a DNA project for the Robertson/Robinson surname I gave them access to my DNA file. My DNA was not even close to Robertson or Rob inson, it came closest to Duncan. Chris Robbins -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/26/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 26, 2014, 1:45 PM  Richard,Do you have a copy of the âRobins, Robbins of New Jerseyâ book? It has the Bible record with the birthplace of Daniel Robins as Scotland & the names of his father & mother as Richard & Mary. The book is at familysearch.com in the book section so anyone can view the record.  There are many details on how Daniel Robins of NJ connects back to New Haven, the ship John & Sara & Daniel Robinson. Many of these subjects were discussed on the old Robbins forum & newer members arenât aware of the history. I encourage you to join the DNA Scottish prisoner DNA group. The project may lead to the relationship between Daniel Robinson & the other Robinson prisoners. You can contact me at july37@... if you feel you need my help with your application.                                                                                                        Sara      From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:26 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database   I thought that it would be interesting to participate in the FTDNA group that is forming for the Scottish Prisoners from the battles of Dunbar and Worchester.  Having submitted an application, the question from the group administrator is basically asking for a paper trail for the ancestor, specifically Daniel Robinson (Robins). I gave him the link to the paper written by Sara, but I do have a couple of questions regarding that booklet, if someone doesn't mind answering them.  First, how did the parents of Daniel get found? And what records were used for the connection between our Daniel and them?  Second, would be the diary entry and oral history of the indenture of Daniel, is there a copy of this entry available? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:808 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 12:25:09 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Chris, Thanks for giving the results of your DNA participation with the Clan Donnachaidh. A very interesting topic. It isnât a surprise your DNA matches Duncan. Iâm not an expert in Scottish clans so this is only my opinio n. The Daniel Robins DNA that points to Duncan would indicate he was a blood clan member & not one who came into the clan by marriage or for the protection of the clan. The Clan Donnachaidhâs members take their name fro m King Duncan. There had to be clan members who used the name Duncan, Robinson, Robertson who had no blood relationship to the clan. This is why I believe DNA testing is very important now in genealogy because eventua lly it will solve many of the puzzles we are unable to do with written & oral records. I noticed some discussion at one of the DNA forums earlier this year that said some of the current clan chiefs didnât want to do DN A because they were concerned their genealogy passed down wouldnât match their DNA. Genealogy has always been fascinating to me but with the advent of DNA it becomes even more exciting as we discover new information. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:22 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Thought I might throw my two cents into this discussion. As most of you know I participated in John German's Robbins DNA project. My DNA was an almost perfect match to a known direct descendant of Daniel. Also, for seve ral years, I was a member of the Clan Donnachaidh Society of Scotland. When they did a DNA project for the Robertson/Robinson surname I gave them access to my DNA file. My DNA was not even close to Robertson or Robinson , it came closest to Duncan. Chris Robbins -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/26/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 26, 2014, 1:45 PM Richard,Do you have a copy of the âRobins, Robbins of New Jerseyâ book? It has the Bible record with the birthplace of Daniel Robins as Scotland & the names of his father & mother as Richard & Mary. The book is at familysearch.com in the book section so anyone can view the record. There are many details on how Daniel Robins of NJ connects back to New Haven, the ship John & Sara & Daniel Robinson. Many of these subjects were discussed on the old Robbins forum & newer members arenât aware of the history. I encourage you to join the DNA Scottish prisoner DNA group. The project may lead to the relationship between Daniel Robinson & the other Robinson prisoners. You can contact me at july37@... if you feel you need my help with your application. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:26 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database I thought that it would be interesting to participate in the FTDNA group that is forming for the Scottish Prisoners from the battles of Dunbar and Worchester. Having submitted an application, the question from the group administrator is basically asking for a paper trail for the ancestor, specifically Daniel Robinson (Robins). I gave him the link to the paper written by Sara, but I do have a couple of questions regarding that booklet, if someone doesn't mind answering them. First, how did the parents of Daniel get found? And what records were used for the connection between our Daniel and them? Second, would be the diary entry and oral history of the indenture of Daniel, is there a copy of this entry available? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:809 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 12:42:31 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Sara, Duncan is a Sept of Clan Donnachaidh (also called Clan Robertson). The King Duncan you refer to is the Duncan killed by MacBeth. The area in Scotland that Daniel came from is the heart of Clan Donnachaidh territory. The Clan Society headquarters is in Pertshire, not far from Blair Atholl. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/26/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 26, 2014, 3:25 PM Chris,Thanks for giving the results of your DNA participation with the Clan Donnachaidh.  A very interesting topic.  It isnât a surprise your DNA matches Duncan.  Iâm not an expert in Scottish clans so this is only my opinion. The Daniel Robins DNA that points to Duncan would indicate he was a blood clan member & not one who came into the clan by marriage or for the protection of the clan. The Clan Donnachaidhâs members take their name from King Duncan.  There had to be clan members who used the name Duncan, Robinson, Robertson who had no blood relationship to the clan.  This is why I believe DNA testing is very important now in genealogy because eventually  it will solve many of the puzzles we are unable to do with written & oral records. I noticed some discussion at one of the DNA forums earlier this year that said some of the current clan chiefs didnât want to do DNA because they were concerned their genealogy passed down wouldnât match their DNA. Genealogy has always been fascinating to me but with the advent of DNA it becomes even more exciting as we discover new information.                                                                                                     Sara       From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:22 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database   Thought I might throw my two cents into this discussion. As most of you know I participated in John German's Robbins DNA project. My DNA was an almost perfect match to a known direct descendant of Daniel. Also, for several years, I was a member of the Clan Donnachaidh Society of Scotland. When they did a DNA project for the Robertson/Robinson surname I gave them access to my DNA file. My DNA was not even close to Robertson or Robinson, it came closest to Duncan. Chris Robbins -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/26/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 26, 2014, 1:45 PM  Richard,Do you have a copy of the âRobins, Robbins of New Jerseyâ book? It has the Bible record with the birthplace of Daniel Robins as Scotland & the names of his father & mother as Richard & Mary. The book is at familysearch.com in the book section so anyone can view the record.  There are many details on how Daniel Robins of NJ connects back to New Haven, the ship John & Sara & Daniel Robinson. Many of these subjects were discussed on the old Robbins forum & newer members arenât aware of the history. I encourage you to join the DNA Scottish prisoner DNA group. The project may lead to the relationship between Daniel Robinson & the other Robinson prisoners. You can contact me at july37@... if you feel you need my help with your application.                                                                                                        Sara      From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:26 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database   I thought that it would be interesting to participate in the FTDNA group that is forming for the Scottish Prisoners from the battles of Dunbar and Worchester.  Having submitted an application, the question from the group administrator is basically asking for a paper trail for the ancestor, specifically Daniel Robinson (Robins). I gave him the link to the paper written by Sara, but I do have a couple of questions regarding that booklet, if someone doesn't mind answering them.  First, how did the parents of Daniel get found? And what records were used for the connection between our Daniel and them?  Second, would be the diary entry and oral history of the indenture of Daniel, is there a copy of this entry available? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:810 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 13:04:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Chris and Sara, Thank you for your discussions. I am looking forward to seeing where Daniel comes from--my research on frontiersman John Liver Eating Johnston--(aka Garrison descendent from Robins/Robbins.) What can other members do at this point? dorman On May 26, 2014, at 12:25 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Chris, > > Thanks for giving the results of your DNA participation with the Clan Donnachaidh. A very interesting topic. It isnt a surprise your DNA matches Duncan. Im not an expert in Scottish clans so this is only my opinio n. The Daniel Robins DNA that points to Duncan would indicate he was a blood clan member & not one who came into the clan by marriage or for the protection of the clan. The Clan Donnachaidhs members take their name from King Duncan. There had to be clan members who used the name Duncan, Robinson, Robertson who had no blood relationship to the clan. This is why I believe DNA testing is very important now in genealogy because eventual ly it will solve many of the puzzles we are unable to do with written & oral records. I noticed some discussion at one of the DNA forums earlier this year that said some of the current clan chiefs didnt want to do DNA because they were concerned their genealogy passed down wouldnt match their DNA. Genealogy has always been fascinating to me but with the advent of DNA it becomes even more exciting as we discover new information. > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:22 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database > > > > > > Thought I might throw my two cents into this discussion. As most of you know I participated in John German's Robbins DNA project. My DNA was an almost perfect match to a known direct descendant of Daniel. Also, for se veral years, I was a member of the Clan Donnachaidh Society of Scotland. When they did a DNA project for the Robertson/Robinson surname I gave them access to my DNA file. My DNA was not even close to Robertson or Robins on, it came closest to Duncan. > > Chris Robbins > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 5/26/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 26, 2014, 1:45 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard,Do you have a copy of the > Robins, Robbins of New Jersey book? It has the Bible > record with the birthplace of Daniel Robins as Scotland > & the names of his father & mother as Richard & > Mary. The book is at familysearch.com in the book section so > anyone can view the record. There are many details on how > Daniel Robins of NJ connects back to New Haven, the ship > John & Sara & Daniel Robinson. Many of these > subjects were discussed on the old Robbins forum & newer > members arent aware of the history. I encourage you to join the DNA > Scottish prisoner DNA group. The project may lead to the > relationship between Daniel Robinson & the other > Robinson prisoners. You can contact me at july37@... if you > feel you need my help with your application. > Sara From: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:26 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the > Scottish Prisoners DNA database I thought that it would be > interesting to participate in the FTDNA group that is > forming for the Scottish Prisoners from the battles of > Dunbar and Worchester. Having > submitted an application, the question from the group > administrator is basically asking for a paper trail for the > ancestor, specifically Daniel Robinson (Robins). I gave him > the link to the paper written by Sara, but I do have a > couple of questions regarding that booklet, if someone > doesn't mind answering them. > First, how did the parents of Daniel get found? > And what records were used for the connection between our > Daniel and them? Second, would be the > diary entry and oral history of the indenture of Daniel, is > there a copy of this entry available? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:811 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 13:51:02 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: I do have the copy of the book, and I am going over the book now trying to find that diary entry. For those of you that have not seen this book, the online version can be found here: https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE207469 https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE207469 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:812 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 13:58:29 Subject:Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: My kit is 74013 in the FTDNA database. My tie in to Daniel (1627) is through his son Daniel. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:813 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 14:09:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: I was very excited to see these emails. As on my Edward Robbins [Gt. grandfather's] wedding certificate is says Duncan Shirley Robbins Hawley-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/26/14, richard.robbins13@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 26, 2014, 3:58 PM  My kit is 74013 in the FTDNA database. My tie in to Daniel (1627) is through his son Daniel. #yiv9017395731 #yiv9017395731 -- #yiv9017395731ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv9017395731 #yiv9017395731ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv9017395731 #yiv9017395731ygrp-mkp #yiv9017395731hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv9017395731 #yiv9017395731ygrp-mkp #yiv9017395731ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv9017395731 #yiv9017395731ygrp-mkp .yiv9017395731ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv9017395731 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Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 14:33:07 Subject:Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: I absolutely agree with the conclusion that you have found. Either way, the YDNA that is found within the Robins/Robbins males, as well as others, Duncan or otherwise, are classified as L23 haplogroup, now. I'm not convinced that L23 is Scottish at all, but that will have to be resolved at some time in the future. That being said, as L23 haplogroup, this group below is the group I joined for that group. Search for either Robbins or my FTDNA number 74013 to see what group I am categorized in. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:815 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 14:43:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Hi, Thanks for your reply, I am Y-DNA 59 kit 11121, I joined 1-2008 Thanks, Shirley-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/26/14, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 26, 2014, 4:33 PM  I absolutely agree with the conclusion that you have found. Either way, the YDNA that is found within the Robins/Robbins males, as well as others, Duncan or otherwise, are classified as L23 haplogroup, now. I'm not convinced that L23 is Scottish at all, but that will have to be resolved at some time in the future. That being said, as L23 haplogroup, this group below is the group I joined for that group. 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no diary entry. I mention it in âThe Exile of Daniel Robinsâ because of a diary, more like pages from a ledger with daily entries that was in the possession of Major David L. Robbins in t he 1960âs. My father used to visit David & his wife Lydia occasionally & one time they got on the subject of family history. They mentioned they had a ledger with an entry about Daniel Robins. When my father told me abo ut it I was anxious to see it so we went to their house & asked to look at it. The ledger was in a very sad condition. We asked if we could copy it but they didnât want to let it out of their possession or for anyone to handle it for fear of causing more damage. We continued to visit them & ask about the ledger/diary. After David died in 1977, we thought maybe Lydia would be open to letting it go since they had no children to inherit it. My father died in 1979. By that time, I didnât live nearby so didnât visit Lydia after his death. The last time my father spoke to Lydia about it, he offered to buy it but she told him she was going to donate it to the Mauricetown NJ Historical Society when she died. She moved from the area & died in 2004. I donât know what happened to the ledger. Iâve known the curator of the M.H.S. since birth as we are related through another f amily. The book never came to them or any other local historical society that I can find. Without an actual copy unfortunately this information falls into the oral history category. Iâve searched for the ledger for the last 14 years & continue with the hope it still exists. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 1:51 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database I do have the copy of the book, and I am going over the book now trying to find that diary entry. For those of you that have not seen this book, the online version can be found here: https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE207469 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:817 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 16:03:09 Subject:Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Did you get the opportunity to view the page this entry was on? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:818 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 16:10:01 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Yes, I did see the page it was on. As soon as we left I wrote it down from what we both could remember. I have it someplace in one of my many folders. If you want it I will try to find it. I never published it because I had no way of proving it without the actual record. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 4:03 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Did you get the opportunity to view the page this entry was on? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:819 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 17:39:07 Subject:Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Sara, if you can find that, please post it. I would be interested in knowing what was in that record. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:820 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-05-26 19:05:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: No I haven't. I wonder if a copy of this book could be ordered from the library or the Historical library in Madison, Wi.? -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/26/14, richard.robbins13@... 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Prisoners DNA database Message: Richard, The written at the top of the page was January 1801 David said it was written by his great-grandfather John Robbins III who was born in 1780 & died in1855. Several lines down the page was an entry dated 3rd--- âSevere cold day, light snow chopped wood Father resting still aflicted with Biles speaking of old Daniel coming to land in bonds to Nat Foot te? ( missing word) she ep Going to meeting tomorow.â The father he refers to would be John Bedant Robbins born 1755 & died 1823. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:39 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Sara, if you can find that, please post it. I would be interested in knowing what was in that record. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:822 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-27 08:38:46 Subject:DNA Message: For those that are interested my haplogroup is R1b1b2a, once known as ht35. Some researchers say it is Celtic, others say Middle Eastern and introduced to Scotland during the Roman occupation. Also, for those interested in genetic ancestry I reccomend reading 'The Seven Daughters of Eve' by Bryan Sykes. Professor Sykes is a leading world authority on DNA and human evolution. The book is his story of how he plotted thousands of DNA sequences from all over the world and came to the conclusion that almost all people of native European descent can trace their ancestry back to one of seven women who lived 15,000 to 45,000 year s ago. Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:823 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-05-28 07:37:58 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Hi, I would like to join but I have no paper trail. I was the youngest of my cousins and by the time I had interest in our family I had no one to ask about the Robbins family, then the Dodge country records burnt so all I found were some census records but nothing I can get back to Pa./NY area were the census records say they were born. Also, by those records, the Mother had remarried, so a tangled mess. To give you a little hum or my deceased brother told me, that is where the horse thieves were. Shirley.-------------------------------------------- On Mon, 5/26/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 26, 2014, 12:45 PM  Richard,Do you have a copy of the âRobins, Robbins of New Jerseyâ book? It has the Bible record with the birthplace of Daniel Robins as Scotland & the names of his father & mother as Richard & Mary. The book is at familysearch.com in the book section so anyone can view the record.  There are many details on how Daniel Robins of NJ connects back to New Haven, the ship John & Sara & Daniel Robinson. Many of these subjects were discussed on the old Robbins forum & newer members arenât aware of the history. I encourage you to join the DNA Scottish prisoner DNA group. The project may lead to the relationship between Daniel Robinson & the other Robinson prisoners. You can contact me at july37@... if you feel you need my help with your application.                                                                                                        Sara      From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:26 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database   I thought that it would be interesting to participate in the FTDNA group that is forming for the Scottish Prisoners from the battles of Dunbar and Worchester.  Having submitted an application, the question from the group administrator is basically asking for a paper trail for the ancestor, specifically Daniel Robinson (Robins). I gave him the link to the paper written by Sara, but I do have a couple of questions regarding that booklet, if someone doesn't mind answering them.  First, how did the parents of Daniel get found? And what records were used for the connection between our Daniel and them?  Second, would be the diary entry and oral history of the indenture of Daniel, is there a copy of this entry available? #yiv0061344360 #yiv0061344360 -- #yiv0061344360ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv0061344360 #yiv0061344360ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv0061344360 #yiv0061344360ygrp-mkp #yiv0061344360hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv0061344360 #yiv0061344360ygrp-mkp #yiv0061344360ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv0061344360 #yiv0061344360ygrp-mkp .yiv0061344360ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv0061344360 #yiv0061344360ygrp-mkp .yiv0061344360ad p { margin:0;} #yiv0061344360 #yiv0061344360ygrp-mkp .yiv0061344360ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv0061344360 #yiv0061344360ygrp-sponsor #yiv0061344360ygrp-lc { font-family:Arial;} #yiv0061344360 #yiv0061344360ygrp-sponsor #yiv0061344360ygrp-lc 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Celtic haplogroup. This map shows the distribution of the haplogroup in Europe. Only 1 to 5 percent of those in the British Isles have this haplogroup. Also, have you tested with any company other than FTDNA? I have done some testing with 23 and me. I also have uploaded my DNA to Gedmatch, and did a run on the y DNA with Adriano Squeccho when he was still doing that. What I found in my 23 and me results showed that the L23 presumed was in fact L49 . Same thing, from what I read. Also, there are 2 private SNP mutations in the Y DNA analysis that I found, they could be identified later as to what they mean... rs2032626 = GG rs7067495 = AA These are mutations from the norm, as yet unidentified in any gene chart, for the R haplogroup tree, that is. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:825 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-05-28 08:33:45 Subject:Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: If you are in the project on FTDNA as a proven match to what is the modal Y-DNA type, I can't see why they would not let you join, unless that they need to establish a legitimate tree of some sort. Actually, I think that these messages that I got from the group are just standard messages from FTDNA, based on surname groups. The Scottish prisoner group really has no relation to each other, as far as I can see. UNL ESS, of course, there are matches to Robinson Robertson or Duncan to the Robbins DNA profile. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:826 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-05-28 08:58:30 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: Do you have a link to the Scottish Prisoners DNA data base that you can provide for members of our Robbins group? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:34 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database If you are in the project on FTDNA as a proven match to what is the modal Y-DNA type, I can't see why they would not let you join, unless that they need to establish a legitimate tree of some sort. Actually, I think that these messages that I got from the group are just standard messages from FTDNA, based on surname groups. The Scottish prisoner group really has no relation to each other, as far as I can see. UNLE SS, of course, there are matches to Robinson Robertson or Duncan to the Robbins DNA profile. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:827 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-28 12:03:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA Message: It was mentioned in a piece I found at genealogy.rootswed.ancestry.com -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5/28/14, Richard Robbins rer.480@... back in 2008. Have only tested with FTDNA. Have not gotten any updates on their ht35 project since Aug 2012. Chris [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 10:57 AM I can't say that I have read any article that described the former HT 35 as a Celtic haplogroup. This map shows the distribution of the haplogroup in Europe. Only 1 to 5 percent of those in the British Isles have this haplogroup. Also, have you tested with any company other than FTDNA? I have done some testing with 23 and me. I also have uploaded my DNA to Gedmatch, and did a run on the y DNA with Adriano Squeccho when he was still doing that. What I found in my 23 and me results showed that the L23 presumed was in fact L49 . Same thing, from what I read. Also, there are 2 private SNP mutations in the Y DNA analysis that I found, they could be identified later as to what they mean... rs2032626 = GGrs7067495 = AA These are mutations from the norm, as yet unidentified in any gene chart, for the R haplogroup tree, that is. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:828 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-05-28 12:44:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database Message: I was talking about the Scottish society, read you need a paper trail.-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5/28/14, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Participation in the Scottish Prisoners DNA database To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 10:33 AM  If you are in the project on FTDNA as a proven match to what is the modal Y-DNA type, I can't see why they would not let you join, unless that they need to establish a legitimate tree of some sort. Actually, I think that these messages that I got from the group are just standard messages from FTDNA, based on surname groups. The Scottish prisoner group really has no relation to each other, as far as I can see. 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John Cleary is the admin. Also look at scottish_war_groups@yahoogroups.com Caroline ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:830 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-05-28 14:04:02 Subject: Message: Announcement from John Cleary about SPOW DNA Project. Caroline Hallo all group members When I first joined you this spring it was with the aim of establishing a DNA project for the descendants of the prisoners, to show all the descendant lines on a single project page, and to begin looking for other desce ndants of the auld Scottish families the prisoners were torn away from. Well I am delighted to say that the project is ready to begin accepting members. It's taken some time to get permission from FTDNA to establish the project, and then to set up the project web site - but all is now read y, and we invite all descendants of the PoWs to join. The site can be found here: Family Tree DNA - Scottish Prisoners of the Civil Wars (Dunbar and Worcester) Family Tree DNA - Scottish Prisoners of the Civil Wars (Dunbar and Worcester) View on www.familytreedna.com Preview by Yahoo If you have already done a DNA test with FTDNA, then you can request to join by simply clicking on the Join link and putting in your kit (account) number when asked. If you have not yet taken a test with FTDNA, it will insist that you order a test before joining - and as all the PoWs, as far as we know, were male, this is a Y-DNA project. If you are in this situation, and thinking of taking a test to see how you may connect with the prisoners, I would advise discussing it on this forum here first - or emailing me with your query - just to make sure one of these tests will be helpful for you befor e you commit yourself. Post up any queries here, or comments or suggestions about the site. I'll be coming back with more information later, but in the meantime, check out the new project site and sign up if you are ready for it. John ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:831 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-05-30 09:19:44 Subject:DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho Message: I did a comparison of my Y-DNA from 23 and Me a while back, and the results were these markers. Robbins (R-M269 L49+ rs7067495+ M64+) 23 and Me has me as the L49+, but I do not have the L23 marker. L23 and L49 are supposed to be the same, or equal. The other 2 markers, rs7067495+ and M64+ are the ones that I am wondering about, and yet to find any answers for. Barring a big expense for a Big Y test, I suppose that these answers will have to wait. Has anyone in the Robbins line taken this test? Care to share the results? :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:832 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-30 11:57:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho Message: M269+L23+l51-L11 (same as ISOGG R1b1b2a) Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 5/30/14, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 30, 2014, 12:19 PM  I did a comparison of my Y-DNA from 23 and Me a while back, and the results were these markers. Robbins (R-M269 L49+ rs7067495+ M64+) 23 and Me has me as the L49+, but I do not have the L23 marker. L23 and L49 are supposed to be the same, or equal. The other 2 markers, rs7067495+ and  M64+ are the ones that I am wondering about, and yet to find any answers for. Barring a big expense for a Big Y test, I suppose that these answers will have to wait. Has anyone in the Robbins line taken this test? Care to share the results? :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:833 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-05-30 13:28:01 Subject:Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho Message: So you have tested positive for L51? Did you get tested from FTDNA? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:834 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-05-30 14:12:07 Subject:Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho Message: I just was looking over the FTDNA Robbins group, if your kit number is 40812, it says that your haplogroup is projected to be R1b1a2 instead of R1b1b2a as you said. Did you get tested elsewhere for this result? I looked at the results for my analysis, and I do not have L51+ in my Y-DNA. And we are 4 markers apart at 67 markers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:835 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-31 09:49:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho Message: Yes, FTDNA -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 5/30/14, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 30, 2014, 4:28 PM  So you have tested positive for L51? Did you get tested from FTDNA? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:836 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-31 09:57:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho Message: No. Was an e-amil from Vincent Vizachero at FTDNA dtd 12 May 2009. He was working on the R-ht35 project. They did further testing on SNPs. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 5/30/14, richard.robbins13@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 30, 2014, 5:12 PM  I just was looking over the FTDNA Robbins group, if your kit number is 40812, it says that your haplogroup is projected to be R1b1a2 instead of R1b1b2a as you said. Did you get tested elsewhere for this result? I looked at the results for my analysis, and I do not have L51+ in my Y-DNA. And we are 4 markers apart at 67 markers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:837 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-05-31 10:07:27 Subject:Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho Message: Which DNA profile is yours in the group? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:838 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-05-31 10:17:10 Subject:Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho Message: Looking up the ISOGG definition for this haplogroup you posted, it doesn't exist. There is a R1b1a2a, though. Now your results are showing positive for M269, and positive for L23. That is the same as mine. You are showing a negative on L51, What about that L11? Is that a positive or a negative? R1b1a2 M269, CTS8728/L1063/PF6480/S13, L265/PF6431, M520/PF6410, PF6475/S17/YSC0000269, PF6485/S3, PF6399/S10 ⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠R1b1a2* - ⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠R1b1a2a L23/PF6534/S141, L49.1/S349, L150.1/PF6274.1/S351.1 ⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠R1b1a2a* - ⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠R1b1a2a1 L51/M412/PF6536/S167 ⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠R1b1a2a1* - ⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠⢠R1b1a2a1a L151/PF6542, L11/PF6539/S127, L52/PF6541, P310/PF6546/S129, P311/PF6545/S128 ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote : M269+L23+l51-L11 (same as ISOGG R1b1b2a) Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:839 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-31 10:53:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho Message: 40812 -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 5/31/14, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 31, 2014, 1:07 PM  Which DNA profile is yours in the group? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:840 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-31 11:05:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho Message: You're correct. I had highlighted the wrong line on the 2009 e-mail. Correct line is M269+L23+L51-L11- (ISOGG R1b1b2). -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 5/31/14, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 31, 2014, 1:17 PM  Looking up the ISOGG definition for this haplogroup you posted, it doesn't exist. There is a R1b1a2a, though. Now your results are showing positive for M269, and positive for L23. That is the same as mine. You are showing a negative on L51, What about that L11? Is that a positive or a negative?  R1b1a2   M269, CTS8728/L1063/PF6480/S13, L265/PF6431, M520/PF6410, PF6475/S17/YSC0000269, PF6485/S3, PF6399/S10 â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2*   - â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2a   L23/PF6534/S141, L49.1/S349, L150.1/PF6274.1/S351.1 â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2a*   - â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2a1   L51/M412/PF6536/S167 â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2a1*   - â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2a1a   L151/PF6542, L11/PF6539/S127, L52/PF6541, P310/PF6546/S129, P311/PF6545/S128 ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote : M269+L23+l51-L11 (same as ISOGG R1b1b2a) Chris  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:841 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-05-31 11:05:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho Message: You're correct. I had highlighted the wrong line on the 2009 e-mail. Correct line is M269+L23+L51-L11- (ISOGG R1b1b2). -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 5/31/14, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA comparison from Adriano Squeccho To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 31, 2014, 1:17 PM  Looking up the ISOGG definition for this haplogroup you posted, it doesn't exist. There is a R1b1a2a, though. Now your results are showing positive for M269, and positive for L23. That is the same as mine. You are showing a negative on L51, What about that L11? Is that a positive or a negative?  R1b1a2   M269, CTS8728/L1063/PF6480/S13, L265/PF6431, M520/PF6410, PF6475/S17/YSC0000269, PF6485/S3, PF6399/S10 â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2*   - â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2a   L23/PF6534/S141, L49.1/S349, L150.1/PF6274.1/S351.1 â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2a*   - â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2a1   L51/M412/PF6536/S167 â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2a1*   - â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â â¢Â R1b1a2a1a   L151/PF6542, L11/PF6539/S127, L52/PF6541, P310/PF6546/S129, P311/PF6545/S128 ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote : M269+L23+l51-L11 (same as ISOGG R1b1b2a) Chris  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:842 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-01 11:07:41 Subject:Early Scotland Message: The following is from a 1995 publication entitled "Loyalist Richard Robins" by John William Taylor, Jr. Found it in the New Jersey State Library. It is very well documented; even mentions Sara's book. Anyway, thought the following would be of interest to the group. "The Robinson and Robertsons of Struan take their name from 'Grizzled Robert' Duncanson, 4th Chief of the Clan Donnachaidh of Atholl. They descend from Maelmare, the y ounger son of King Duncan I. The King was slain by his cousin Macbeth in 1040." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:843 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-01 20:29:31 Subject:Re: Early Scotland Message: All that is exactly true, probably. But they, unfortunately, do not match the haplotype and marker matches that we do in the Robbins group. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/clandonnachaidh/default.aspx?section=yresults https://www.familytreedna.com/public/clandonnachaidh/default.aspx?section=yresults However, the Duncan haplotype is closer to ours, but now with the better (and more useful) classifications by haplotype, we can see that there is a problem matching up the Robbins and Duncan Y-DNA once you look at the haplogroups assigned to them. Unfortunately. :( In group C in the above page, the haplogroups P-312 and U-152 are waaaaay downstream from our L23. While the markers retain the familiar 12 24 14 10... pattern, their DNA markers elsewhere say otherwise. I'd like to he ar how the administrators of our group are able to see what they do in regards with haplogroups. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:844 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-01 21:26:42 Subject:Scottish Prisoners DNA Project. We have our own group! Message: Received this message from John Cleary of the Scottish Prisoners DNA website today: Thanks Richard â I have made a group for you now, and there are three of you. The biggest grouping so far. See the group here: Family Tree DNA - Scottish Prisoners of the Civil Wars (Dunbar and Worcester) http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ScottishPoWs/default.aspx?section=yresults Family Tree DNA - Scottish Prisoners of the Civil Wars (Dunbar and Worcester) http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ScottishPoWs/default.aspx?section=yresults View on www.familytreedna.com http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ScottishPoWs/default.aspx?section=yresults Preview by Yahoo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:845 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2014-06-04 08:39:51 Subject:Isaac ROBIN, NJ->PA, 1836 Message: In a document entitled "Application for a Transfer" for an Isaac ROBINS dated 9 Aug 1836 it states that Isaac ROBINS served under Captain William NICE and Colonel John TAYLOR in NJ. The document was filed in Columbia County, PA. Isaac ROBINS is recently moved to PA from NJ and wishes his pension transferred. Which Isaac ROBINS is this? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:846 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-10 11:01:50 Subject:Re: Isaac ROBIN, NJ->PA, 1836 Message: I have an Isaac Robins in my tree that seems to be the brother of my ancestor Stephen and also Daniel Robins and Abigail Vaugnan. These were in records I THINK you submitted on the old site a while back. He could have s erved in the Revolution, but maybe there was a bit of a split in the family since Stephen, Daniel and Abigail all left to Canada. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:847 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-10 11:34:16 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBIN, NJ->PA, 1836 Message: Isaac Robins served in the Rev War. He died in PA. I posted his service records on the old forum & there was discussion on the topic of Isaac Robins. These records may be online now. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:02 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBIN, NJ->PA, 1836 I have an Isaac Robins in my tree that seems to be the brother of my ancestor Stephen and also Daniel Robins and Abigail Vaugnan. These were in records I THINK you submitted on the old site a while back. He could have s erved in the Revolution, but maybe there was a bit of a split in the family since Stephen, Daniel and Abigail all left to Canada. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:848 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-11 07:01:01 Subject:Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah Message: Dear Sara, Can you give us a little information about your research on the other 5 Robinsons and 1 Robertson on the list of prisoners who were with Daniel Robinson. I notice that John Cleary on the Scottish War Prisoner site referred to our Daniel as Daniel Robertson. I believe that to be an error on his part. What do you make of the Robins, Robinson, Robertson connection?? Thanks, Caroline Gilleece, a Daniel Robins descendant ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:849 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-11 07:51:00 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re:Who was Isaac ROBINS, NJ->PA, 1836? Message: I went through my files for the letter Private Isaac Robins wrote when he applied for his pension. Isaac writes in this letter that he was born June 29, 1758 in Amwell Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. He said his father was Daniel Robins & he served additional time for his father Daniel & Andrew who I believe was Isaac's brother. Isaac was living in Knowlton Township, Sussex Co. when he served in the Rev War & living in Hardwick Township when he first applied for the pension in 1833. This line has good documentation back to Daniel Robins, Jr. through his son John Robins 1695-1777, grandson Daniel who died 1802 in Knowlton, great-grandson Isaac 1758 & d. after 1836 in Columbia Co., PA. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:850 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2014-06-11 08:23:55 Subject:Re: Isaac ROBINS, NJ->PA, 1836 Message: > Isaac Robins served in the Rev War. He died in PA. I posted his service > records on the old forum & there was discussion on the topic of Isaac > Robins. These records may be online now. I went through the old messages and found the references. Thanks. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:851 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-11 08:52:01 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah Message: Caroline, John Cleary may have made a mistake with the spelling of Danielâs last name. I didnât see it but not all that important. The ship John & Sara records him as Daniel Robinson. The original records from New Haven at the t ime of his marriage in 1663 spells the name as Robison & the birth of children Mary & Daniel Jr. in the New Haven Vital records as Robinson & Robbinson. I believe the spelling of any name not written by the person in qu estion may have depended on the clerk or scribe who was writing the name down at that particular time. Daniel was illiterate so the recording of his name was left to a clerk. After Daniel & Hope moved to New Jersey the name changed & we find a variety of spellings Robins, Robinds, Robyns, Robbins. Iâve compiled a three page study on the name but too lengthy to include here. Maybe I will publish it sometime. The Robinsons of the ship John & Sara were most likely related along with the Robertson in my opinion. Were they all Robertsons or all Robinsons? I donât know. Why only of them is listed as a Robertson is puzzling. My r esearch show a James Robinson who was summoned to court in Sussex Co., MA. He was a worker at the Saugus Iron works & was called as a witness. The court identified him as James Robinson aka Robertson. So he was known by both name spellings. There is no actual proof but I believe there is a good possibility he was the same James Robinson listed on the manifest of the ship John & Sara. The time frame, place & name fit. Have tried to res earch descendants for this man but so far no success. Hopefully DNA studies will be able to provide answers to questions on relationships that formerly have not been available through written records. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah Dear Sara, Can you give us a little information about your research on the other 5 Robinsons and 1 Robertson on the list of prisoners who were with Daniel Robinson. I notice that John Cleary on the Scottish War Prisoner site referred to our Daniel as Daniel Robertson. I believe that to be an error on his part. What do you make of the Robins, Robinson, Robertson connection?? Thanks, Caroline Gilleece, a Daniel Robins descendant ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:852 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-06-11 09:42:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah Message: Sara, Thank you for the update. I'm wondering where your claim of Daniel being illiterate comes from, aside from the general illiteracy of highlanders. Which leads me to my second thought: is there any documented writing of Daniel? Signature or otherwise? Cheers! On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:52 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Caroline, > > John Cleary may have made a mistake with the spelling of Danielâs last > name. I didnât see it but not all that important. The ship John & Sara > records him as Daniel Robinson. The original records from New Haven at the > time of his marriage in 1663 spells the name as Robison & the birth of > children Mary & Daniel Jr. in the New Haven Vital records as Robinson & > Robbinson. I believe the spelling of any name not written by the person in > question may have depended on the clerk or scribe who was writing the name > down at that particular time. Daniel was illiterate so the recording of his > name was left to a clerk. After Daniel & Hope moved to New Jersey the name > changed & we find a variety of spellings Robins, Robinds, Robyns, Robbins. > Iâve compiled a three page study on the name but too lengthy to include > here. Maybe I will publish it sometime. > > The Robinsons of the ship John & Sara were most likely related along with > the Robertson in my opinion. Were they all Robertsons or all Robinsons? I > donât know. Why only of them is listed as a Robertson is puzzling. My > research show a James Robinson who was summoned to court in Sussex Co., MA. > He was a worker at the Saugus Iron works & was called as a witness. The > court identified him as James Robinson aka Robertson. So he was known by > both name spellings. There is no actual proof but I believe there is a good > possibility he was the same James Robinson listed on the manifest of the > ship John & Sara. The time frame, place & name fit. Have tried to research > descendants for this man but so far no success. Hopefully DNA studies will > be able to provide answers to questions on relationships that formerly have > not been available through written records. > > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:01 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners > on The ship John And Sarah > > > > > > Dear Sara, Can you give us a little information about your research on the > other 5 Robinsons and 1 Robertson on the list of prisoners who were with > Daniel Robinson. I notice that John Cleary on the Scottish War Prisoner > site referred to our Daniel as Daniel Robertson. I believe that to be an > error on his part. What do you make of the Robins, Robinson, Robertson > connection?? Thanks, Caroline Gilleece, a Daniel Robins descendant > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:853 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-11 11:14:50 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah Message: Tod, All the official records that required a signature like Danielâs will & deeds show he used a mark not a signature. There are no writings by Daniel Robins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:43 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah Sara, Thank you for the update. I'm wondering where your claim of Daniel being illiterate comes from, aside from the general illiteracy of highlanders. Which leads me to my second thought: is there any documented writing of D aniel? Signature or otherwise? Cheers! On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:52 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Caroline, John Cleary may have made a mistake with the spelling of Danielâs last name. I didnât see it but not all that important. The ship John & Sara records him as Daniel Robinson. The original records from New Haven at the t ime of his marriage in 1663 spells the name as Robison & the birth of children Mary & Daniel Jr. in the New Haven Vital records as Robinson & Robbinson. I believe the spelling of any name not written by the person in qu estion may have depended on the clerk or scribe who was writing the name down at that particular time. Daniel was illiterate so the recording of his name was left to a clerk. After Daniel & Hope moved to New Jersey the name changed & we find a variety of spellings Robins, Robinds, Robyns, Robbins. Iâve compiled a three page study on the name but too lengthy to include here. Maybe I will publish it sometime. The Robinsons of the ship John & Sara were most likely related along with the Robertson in my opinion. Were they all Robertsons or all Robinsons? I donât know. Why only of them is listed as a Robertson is puzzling. My r esearch show a James Robinson who was summoned to court in Sussex Co., MA. He was a worker at the Saugus Iron works & was called as a witness. The court identified him as James Robinson aka Robertson. So he was known by both name spellings. There is no actual proof but I believe there is a good possibility he was the same James Robinson listed on the manifest of the ship John & Sara. The time frame, place & name fit. Have tried to res earch descendants for this man but so far no success. Hopefully DNA studies will be able to provide answers to questions on relationships that formerly have not been available through written records. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah Dear Sara, Can you give us a little information about your research on the other 5 Robinsons and 1 Robertson on the list of prisoners who were with Daniel Robinson. I notice that John Cleary on the Scottish War Prisoner site referred to our Daniel as Daniel Robertson. I believe that to be an error on his part. What do you make of the Robins, Robinson, Robertson connection?? Thanks, Caroline Gilleece, a Daniel Robins descendant -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:854 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-11 12:47:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah Message: The following is taken from a article titled 'Scotch Deported to New England 1651-52.' It appeared in a Massachusetts Historical Publication in Oct 1937. "For some reason not apparent all the documents in this transat ion, together with a list of names of the prisoners, were recorded in the Suffolk Deeds, possibly for permanent record inn case of litigation. While this is fortunate for historical purposes, yet this list is not to be accepted as a true record of their correct names. It offeers to the student of philology many puzzels left by the scribe in his attempts to spell out clan names of Gaelic origin, spoken in a dialect that defied reprod uction in English. Most of these Scotchmen were unable to write, knew little English and as a result their names have undergone curious transformations." Chris -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 6/11/14, 'todd.d.robbins@gmail.com' todd.d.robbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2014, 12:42 PM Sara, Thank you for the update. I'm wondering where your claim of Daniel being illiterate comes from, aside from the general illiteracy of highlanders. Which leads me to my second thought: is there any documented writing of Daniel? Signature or otherwise? Cheers! On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:52 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote:  Caroline, John Cleary may have made a mistake with the spelling of Danielâs last name. I didnât see it  but not all that important. The ship John & Sara records him as Daniel Robinson. The original records from New Haven at the time of his marriage in 1663 spells the name as Robison & the birth of children Mary & Daniel Jr. in the New Haven Vital records as Robinson & Robbinson. I believe the spelling of any name not written by the person in question may have depended on the clerk or scribe who was writing the name down at that particular time. Daniel was illiterate so the recording of his name was left to a clerk. After Daniel & Hope moved to New Jersey the name changed & we find a variety of spellings Robins, Robinds, Robyns, Robbins. Iâve compiled a three page study on the name but too lengthy to include here. Maybe I will publish it sometime. The Robinsons of the ship John & Sara were most likely related along with the Robertson in my opinion. Were they all Robertsons or all Robinsons? I donât know. Why only of them is listed as a Robertson is puzzling. My research show a James Robinson who was summoned to court in Sussex Co., MA. He was a worker at the Saugus Iron works & was called as a witness. The court identified him as James Robinson aka Robertson. So he was known by both name spellings. There is no actual proof but I believe there is a good possibility he was the same James Robinson listed on the manifest of the ship John & Sara. The time frame, place & name fit. Have tried to research descendants for this man but so far no success. Hopefully DNA studies will be able to provide answers to questions on relationships that formerly have not been available through written records.                                                                                                                             Sara  From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah   Dear Sara, Can you give us a little information about your research on the other 5 Robinsons and 1 Robertson on the list of prisoners who were with Daniel Robinson. I notice that John Cleary on the Scottish War Prisoner site referred to our Daniel as Daniel Robertson. I believe that to be an error on his part. What do you make of the Robins, Robinson, Robertson connection?? Thanks, Caroline Gilleece, a Daniel Robins descendant -- Tod RobbinsDigital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:855 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-11 14:23:56 Subject:Blair Athol Message: Sara or Tod, please tell me why we believe that Daniel Robins comes from Blair Athol when we are not even sure of his original name?? My grandson is 15 and working on Eagle Scout. He and several others from his troup wi ll be going to Blair Athol in July 2016 for a big Jamboree. I want him to be fully armed with information about Daniel Robins before he goes. I think it will be much more meaningful to him having ancestral ties to that place. Many thanks, Caroline Gilleece, descendant of Daniel Robins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:856 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-11 15:27:28 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Blair Athol Message: Caroline, The area of Danielâs birth is based on oral family history. The Bible record doesnât give a specific place, it only says he was born in Scotland. Blair Atholl is the home of Clan Donnachaidh & the Robertsons. Thatâs cor rect, we canât be certain of Daniel Robinsonâs name, all we know is this is the name he used when he came to New England. Perhaps the Robinsons & Robertson of the ship John & Sara were not biologically related to member s of Clan Donnachaidh back in Scotland or to each other. We could speculate on many unknowns before Daniel & the others were taken as POWs. Did he marry a clan member & assume the name? Did he join the clan for protecti on & then fight with the clan under their name? Was he married? Did he have children in Scotland? I noted some of the other SPOW descendants also have unanswered questions on their ancestors. This is why DNA studies ar e so important. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 2:24 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Blair Athol Sara or Tod, please tell me why we believe that Daniel Robins comes from Blair Athol when we are not even sure of his original name?? My grandson is 15 and working on Eagle Scout. He and several others from his troup wi ll be going to Blair Athol in July 2016 for a big Jamboree. I want him to be fully armed with information about Daniel Robins before he goes. I think it will be much more meaningful to him having ancestral ties to that place. Many thanks, Caroline Gilleece, descendant of Daniel Robins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:857 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-11 15:43:31 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah Message: Chris, Thank you for adding this very helpful information. I give the example in my book of David Hume whose descendant was Oliver Wendell Holmes. The Holmes family is a prominent one found in early New England society. Howeve r, they are not biologically related to the descendants of David Hume whose descendants assumed the Holmes name. I believe the article you site is a reliable source. It does explain the âcurious transformationâ of the Gaelic names to English very well. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:47 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah The following is taken from a article titled 'Scotch Deported to New England 1651-52.' It appeared in a Massachusetts Historical Publication in Oct 1937. "For some reason not apparent all the documents in this transatio n, together with a list of names of the prisoners, were recorded in the Suffolk Deeds, possibly for permanent record inn case of litigation. While this is fortunate for historical purposes, yet this list is not to be ac cepted as a true record of their correct names. It offeers to the student of philology many puzzels left by the scribe in his attempts to spell out clan names of Gaelic origin, spoken in a dialect that defied reproducti on in English. Most of these Scotchmen were unable to write, knew little English and as a result their names have undergone curious transformations." Chris -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 6/11/14, 'todd.d.robbins@...' todd.d.robbins@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2014, 12:42 PM Sara, Thank you for the update. I'm wondering where your claim of Daniel being illiterate comes from, aside from the general illiteracy of highlanders. Which leads me to my second thought: is there any documented writing of Daniel? Signature or otherwise? Cheers! On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:52 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Caroline, John Cleary may have made a mistake with the spelling of Danielâs last name. I didnât see it but not all that important. The ship John & Sara records him as Daniel Robinson. The original records from New Haven at the time of his marriage in 1663 spells the name as Robison & the birth of children Mary & Daniel Jr. in the New Haven Vital records as Robinson & Robbinson. I believe the spelling of any name not written by the person in question may have depended on the clerk or scribe who was writing the name down at that particular time. Daniel was illiterate so the recording of his name was left to a clerk. After Daniel & Hope moved to New Jersey the name changed & we find a variety of spellings Robins, Robinds, Robyns, Robbins. Iâve compiled a three page study on the name but too lengthy to include here. Maybe I will publish it sometime. The Robinsons of the ship John & Sara were most likely related along with the Robertson in my opinion. Were they all Robertsons or all Robinsons? I donât know. Why only of them is listed as a Robertson is puzzling. My research show a James Robinson who was summoned to court in Sussex Co., MA. He was a worker at the Saugus Iron works & was called as a witness. The court identified him as James Robinson aka Robertson. So he was known by both name spellings. There is no actual proof but I believe there is a good possibility he was the same James Robinson listed on the manifest of the ship John & Sara. The time frame, place & name fit. Have tried to research descendants for this man but so far no success. Hopefully DNA studies will be able to provide answers to questions on relationships that formerly have not been available through written records. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sara's research on Scottish Prisoners on The ship John And Sarah Dear Sara, Can you give us a little information about your research on the other 5 Robinsons and 1 Robertson on the list of prisoners who were with Daniel Robinson. I notice that John Cleary on the Scottish War Prisoner site referred to our Daniel as Daniel Robertson. I believe that to be an error on his part. What do you make of the Robins, Robinson, Robertson connection?? Thanks, Caroline Gilleece, a Daniel Robins descendant -- Tod RobbinsDigital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:858 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-13 13:20:48 Subject:Daniel Robbins Message: Found proof that Daniel could not write in a 1975 publication - 'Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, Vol VI: Unrecorded Wills and Inventories Monmouth County New Jersey.' Pg 30, "Will of Danil Robines ... dated Jun e 22, 1714." At the end of the transcription is "danil Robins [his mark]" Found this publication in the New Jersey State Archives some years ago. Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:859 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-06-13 13:24:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Message: Thanks Chris! I'll have to get a copy of that record for my collection. On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:20 PM, C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Found proof that Daniel could not write in a 1975 publication - > 'Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, Vol VI: Unrecorded Wills and > Inventories Monmouth County New Jersey.' Pg 30, "Will of Danil Robines ... > dated June 22, 1714." At the end of the transcription is "danil Robins [his > mark]" Found this publication in the New Jersey State Archives some years > ago. > > Chris > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:860 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-13 14:35:23 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Message: Chris, Tod & Group, Chris, thanks again your research is appreciated. The original copy of Danielâs 1714 will shows what appears to be a very shaky âDâ used as his mark. The Robins, Robbins of New Jersey has a transcribed copy of Danielâs will if anyone is interested in reading it. Tod, Have you submitted your Y-DNA to the SPOW DNA? Has anyone else in your Aaron Robins, Sr. line taken the Y-DNA test? Group, RE: Kit#72633 George Robbins 1806 of Easton, PA? I see their DNA results at the SPOW DNA site. If my recollection is correct, this line is one of the Robbins brick walls? Is anyone able to share with us the name of the living person connected to George Robbins 1806? If there is a privacy issue then I understand & respect that personâs right. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 1:24 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Thanks Chris! I'll have to get a copy of that record for my collection. On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:20 PM, C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote. : Found proof that Daniel could not write in a 1975 publication - 'Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, Vol VI: Unrecorded Wills and Inventories Monmouth County New Jersey.' Pg 30, "Will of Danil Robines ... dated June 22, 1714." At the end of the transcription is "danil Robins [his mark]" Found this publication in the New Jersey State Archives some years ago. Chris -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:861 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-06-13 14:45:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Message: Sara, I haven't and no one in my family has, to my knowledge anyhow. I need to save up some funds and do that. âTod On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 3:35 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Chris, Tod & Group, > > *Chris,* thanks again your research is appreciated. The original copy of > Danielâs 1714 will shows what appears to be a very shaky âDâ used as his > mark. The Robins, Robbins of New Jersey has a transcribed copy of Danielâs > will if anyone is interested in reading it. > > *Tod,* Have you submitted your Y-DNA to the SPOW DNA? Has anyone else in > your Aaron Robins, Sr. line taken the Y-DNA test? > > *Group*, RE: Kit#72633 George Robbins 1806 of Easton, PA? I see their DNA > results at the SPOW DNA site. If my recollection is correct, this line is > one of the Robbins brick walls? Is anyone able to share with us the name of > the living person connected to George Robbins 1806? If there is a privacy > issue then I understand & respect that personâs right. > > Thanks, > > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Friday, June 13, 2014 1:24 PM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins > > > > > > Thanks Chris! I'll have to get a copy of that record for my collection. > > > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:20 PM, C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote. : > > > > Found proof that Daniel could not write in a 1975 publication - > 'Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, Vol VI: Unrecorded Wills and > Inventories Monmouth County New Jersey.' Pg 30, "Will of Danil Robines ... > dated June 22, 1714." At the end of the transcription is "danil Robins [his > mark]" Found this publication in the New Jersey State Archives some years > ago. > > Chris > > > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:862 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-13 16:07:19 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Message: Tod, Thanks, Iâve been taking a look at some of the brick walls in various lines & was curious. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 2:46 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Sara, I haven't and no one in my family has, to my knowledge anyhow. I need to save up some funds and do that. âTod On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 3:35 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Chris, Tod & Group, Chris, thanks again your research is appreciated. The original copy of Danielâs 1714 will shows what appears to be a very shaky âDâ used as his mark. The Robins, Robbins of New Jersey has a transcribed copy of Danielâs will if anyone is interested in reading it. Tod, Have you submitted your Y-DNA to the SPOW DNA? Has anyone else in your Aaron Robins, Sr. line taken the Y-DNA test? Group, RE: Kit#72633 George Robbins 1806 of Easton, PA? I see their DNA results at the SPOW DNA site. If my recollection is correct, this line is one of the Robbins brick walls? Is anyone able to share with us the name of the living person connected to George Robbins 1806? If there is a privacy issue then I understand & respect that personâs right. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 1:24 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Thanks Chris! I'll have to get a copy of that record for my collection. On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:20 PM, C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote. : Found proof that Daniel could not write in a 1975 publication - 'Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, Vol VI: Unrecorded Wills and Inventories Monmouth County New Jersey.' Pg 30, "Will of Danil Robines ... dated June 22, 1714." At the end of the transcription is "danil Robins [his mark]" Found this publication in the New Jersey State Archives some years ago. Chris -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:863 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2014-06-13 18:13:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Message: How much is it to do the test? Dorman On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:45 PM, 'todd.d.robbins@...' todd.d.robbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Sara, > > I haven't and no one in my family has, to my knowledge anyhow. I need to save up some funds and do that. > > Tod > > > > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 3:35 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Chris, Tod & Group, > > Chris, thanks again your research is appreciated. The original copy of Daniels 1714 will shows what appears to be a very shaky D used as his mark. The Robins, Robbins of New Jersey has a transcribed copy of Daniels w ill if anyone is interested in reading it. > > Tod, Have you submitted your Y-DNA to the SPOW DNA? Has anyone else in your Aaron Robins, Sr. line taken the Y-DNA test? > > Group, RE: Kit#72633 George Robbins 1806 of Easton, PA? I see their DNA results at the SPOW DNA site. If my recollection is correct, this line is one of the Robbins brick walls? Is anyone able to share with us the nam e of the living person connected to George Robbins 1806? If there is a privacy issue then I understand & respect that persons right. > > Thanks, > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 1:24 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins > > > > > > Thanks Chris! I'll have to get a copy of that record for my collection. > > > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:20 PM, C ROBBINS candcn10ac@bellsouth.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote. : > > > > Found proof that Daniel could not write in a 1975 publication - 'Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, Vol VI: Unrecorded Wills and Inventories Monmouth County New Jersey.' Pg 30, "Will of Danil Robines ... dated Ju ne 22, 1714." At the end of the transcription is "danil Robins [his mark]" Found this publication in the New Jersey State Archives some years ago. > > Chris > > > > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:864 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2014-06-14 04:25:58 Subject:Re: Daniel Robbins Message: If you have already tested st FTDNA then there is no additional cost for you. Just join the group. Unless, of course, if someone's willing to do the Big Y test, that would probably be interesting. And expensive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:865 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-06-14 07:07:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Message: The ad I got said $298. Shirley Hawley-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/13/14, Dorman Nelson dormannelson@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 13, 2014, 8:13 PM  How much is it to do the test? Dorman On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:45 PM, 'todd.d.robbins@...' todd.d.robbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote:  Sara, I haven't and no one in my family has, to my knowledge anyhow. I need to save up some funds and do that. âTod On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 3:35 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote:  Chris, Tod  & Group, Chris, thanks again your research is appreciated. The original copy of Danielâs 1714  will shows what appears to be a very shaky âDâ used as his mark. The Robins, Robbins of New Jersey has a transcribed copy of Danielâs will if anyone is interested in reading it.  Tod,  Have you submitted your Y-DNA to the SPOW DNA? Has anyone else in your Aaron Robins, Sr. line taken the Y-DNA test? Group, RE: Kit#72633 George Robbins 1806 of Easton, PA? I see their DNA results at the SPOW DNA site. If my recollection is correct, this line is one of the Robbins brick walls? Is anyone able to share with us the name of the living person connected to George Robbins 1806? If there is a privacy issue then I understand & respect that personâs right.                                                                 Thanks,                                                                                      Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 1:24 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins   Thanks Chris! I'll have to get a copy of that record for my collection.  On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:20 PM, C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote. :  Found proof that Daniel could not write in a 1975 publication - 'Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, Vol VI: Unrecorded Wills and Inventories Monmouth County New Jersey.' Pg 30, "Will of Danil Robines ... dated June 22, 1714." At the end of the transcription is "danil Robins [his mark]" Found this publication in the New Jersey State Archives some years ago. 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savings for testing thru the Robins group. Usual price discount price Y-DNA 37 $169.00 $149.00 Y-DNA 67 $268.00 $248.00 67 is recommended, but if you can only afford 37 then by all means, do that one to get started. After you pay for testing in the Robins project and your test results come back you can join other projects within FTDNA a t no additional charge. Hope this helps. Remember the y-DNA is for males only. Someone with the surname you are following. Fathers pass along a copy of their dna with minor mutations over time. Women recombine their dna before passing it along. Caroline ---- "Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > The ad I got said $298. Shirley Hawley-------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 6/13/14, Dorman Nelson dormannelson@sbcglobal.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, June 13, 2014, 8:13 PM > > >  > > > > > > > > > > How much is it to do the test? > Dorman > > On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:45 PM, 'todd.d.robbins@...' > todd.d.robbins@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Sara, > I > haven't and no one in my family has, to my knowledge > anyhow. I need to save up some funds and do > that. > âTod > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at > 3:35 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Chris, Tod  & > Group, Chris, > thanks again your research is appreciated. The original copy > of Danielâs 1714  will shows what appears to be a very > shaky âDâ used as his mark. The Robins, Robbins of New > Jersey has a transcribed copy of Danielâs will if anyone > is interested in reading it.  Tod,  Have you > submitted your Y-DNA to the SPOW DNA? Has anyone else in > your Aaron Robins, Sr. line taken the Y-DNA > test? Group, RE: > Kit#72633 George Robbins 1806 of Easton, PA? I see their DNA > results at the SPOW DNA site. If my recollection is correct, > this line is one of the Robbins brick walls? Is anyone able > to share with us the name of the living person connected to > George Robbins 1806? If there is a privacy issue then I > understand & respect that personâs > right.                                                                 > Thanks,                                                                      >                 Sara > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 1:24 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] > Daniel Robbins > >   > Thanks Chris! I'll have > to get a copy of that record for my > collection. > >  On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:20 > PM, C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote. : > >  > Found proof that Daniel could not > write in a 1975 publication - 'Historical and > Genealogical Miscellany, Vol VI: Unrecorded Wills and > Inventories Monmouth County New Jersey.' 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He is now deceased and the last Robbins male in our family. Shirley-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 6/14/14, cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2014, 10:37 AM  Shirley, go to www.familytreedna.com/public/robins/ and find the join button...It gives a savings for testing thru the Robins group. Usual price discount price Y-DNA 37 $169.00 $149.00 Y-DNA 67 $268.00 $248.00 67 is recommended, but if you can only afford 37 then by all means, do that one to get started. After you pay for testing in the Robins project and your test results come back you can join other projects within FTDNA at no additional charge. Hope this helps. Remember the y-DNA is for males only. Someone with the surname you are following. Fathers pass along a copy of their dna with minor mutations over time. Women recombine their dna before passing it along. Caroline ---- "Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > The ad I got said $298. Shirley Hawley-------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 6/13/14, Dorman Nelson dormannelson@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, June 13, 2014, 8:13 PM > > >  > > > > > > > > > > How much is it to do the test? > Dorman > > On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:45 PM, 'todd.d.robbins@...' > todd.d.robbins@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Sara, > I > haven't and no one in my family has, to my knowledge > anyhow. I need to save up some funds and do > that. > âTod > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at > 3:35 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Chris, Tod  & > Group, Chris, > thanks again your research is appreciated. The original copy > of Danielâs 1714  will shows what appears to be a very > shaky âDâ used as his mark. The Robins, Robbins of New > Jersey has a transcribed copy of Danielâs will if anyone > is interested in reading it.  Tod,  Have you > submitted your Y-DNA to the SPOW DNA? Has anyone else in > your Aaron Robins, Sr. line taken the Y-DNA > test? Group, RE: > Kit#72633 George Robbins 1806 of Easton, PA? I see their DNA > results at the SPOW DNA site. If my recollection is correct, > this line is one of the Robbins brick walls? Is anyone able > to share with us the name of the living person connected to > George Robbins 1806? If there is a privacy issue then I > understand & respect that personâs > right.                                                                 > Thanks,                                                                      >                 Sara > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 1:24 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] > Daniel Robbins > >   > Thanks Chris! I'll have > to get a copy of that record for my > collection. > >  On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:20 > PM, C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote. : > >  > Found proof that Daniel could not > write in a 1975 publication - 'Historical and > Genealogical Miscellany, Vol VI: Unrecorded Wills and > Inventories Monmouth County New Jersey.' Pg 30, > "Will of Danil Robines ... dated June 22, 1714." > At the end of the transcription is "danil Robins [his > mark]" Found this publication in the New Jersey State > Archives some years ago. > > > > Chris > >  -- > > Tod > RobbinsDigital Asset Manager, > MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Tod > RobbinsDigital Asset > Manager, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110 -- > #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp { > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px > 0;padding:0 10px;} > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp hr { > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp #yiv1853896110hd { > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px > 0;} > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp #yiv1853896110ads { > margin-bottom:10px;} > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp .yiv1853896110ad { > 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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:868 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-14 11:27:19 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Testing with FTDNA Message: Member Shirley Dunn is the Group Administrator of the Robbins FTDNA website. She is the person who can help with what a basic DNA test would cost for someone like Tod. Shirleyâs e-mail is posted at the Robbins FTDNA si te. Itâs ladyfan3@... Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:30 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins I had our cousin's [male] DNA done in Jan. 2008 at a 37. He is now deceased and the last Robbins male in our family. Shirley-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 6/14/14, cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 14, 2014, 10:37 AM Shirley, go to www.familytreedna.com/public/robins/ and find the join button...It gives a savings for testing thru the Robins group. Usual price discount price Y-DNA 37 $169.00 $149.00 Y-DNA 67 $268.00 $248.00 67 is recommended, but if you can only afford 37 then by all means, do that one to get started. After you pay for testing in the Robins project and your test results come back you can join other projects within FTDNA at no additional charge. Hope this helps. Remember the y-DNA is for males only. Someone with the surname you are following. Fathers pass along a copy of their dna with minor mutations over time. Women recombine their dna before passing it along. Caroline ---- "Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > The ad I got said $298. Shirley Hawley-------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 6/13/14, Dorman Nelson dormannelson@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, June 13, 2014, 8:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much is it to do the test? > Dorman > > On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:45 PM, 'todd.d.robbins@...' > todd.d.robbins@gmail.com > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sara, > I > haven't and no one in my family has, to my knowledge > anyhow. I need to save up some funds and do > that. > âTod > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at > 3:35 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, Tod & > Group, Chris, > thanks again your research is appreciated. The original copy > of Danielâs 1714 will shows what appears to be a very > shaky âDâ used as his mark. The Robins, Robbins of New > Jersey has a transcribed copy of Danielâs will if anyone > is interested in reading it. Tod, Have you > submitted your Y-DNA to the SPOW DNA? Has anyone else in > your Aaron Robins, Sr. line taken the Y-DNA > test? Group, RE: > Kit#72633 George Robbins 1806 of Easton, PA? I see their DNA > results at the SPOW DNA site. If my recollection is correct, > this line is one of the Robbins brick walls? Is anyone able > to share with us the name of the living person connected to > George Robbins 1806? If there is a privacy issue then I > understand & respect that personâs > right. > Thanks, > Sara > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 1:24 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] > Daniel Robbins > > > Thanks Chris! I'll have > to get a copy of that record for my > collection. > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:20 > PM, C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote. : > > > Found proof that Daniel could not > write in a 1975 publication - 'Historical and > Genealogical Miscellany, Vol VI: Unrecorded Wills and > Inventories Monmouth County New Jersey.' Pg 30, > "Will of Danil Robines ... dated June 22, 1714." > At the end of the transcription is "danil Robins [his > mark]" Found this publication in the New Jersey State > Archives some years ago. > > > > Chris > > -- > > Tod > RobbinsDigital Asset Manager, > MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Tod > RobbinsDigital Asset > Manager, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110 -- > #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp { > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px > 0;padding:0 10px;} > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp hr { > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp #yiv1853896110hd { > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px > 0;} > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp #yiv1853896110ads { > margin-bottom:10px;} > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp .yiv1853896110ad { > padding:0 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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:869 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-14 11:57:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins/ attn Shirley Hawley Message: Shirley if you have access to his DNA at family tree...you may be able to upgrade if you want. They do it from dna already submitted. If you are a Daniel Robins descendant please join the Scottish Prisoners project. CG ---- "Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > I had our cousin's [male] DNA done in Jan. 2008 at a 37. He is now deceased and the last Robbins male in our family. Shirley-------------------------------------------- > On Sat, 6/14/14, cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, June 14, 2014, 10:37 AM > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Shirley, go to www.familytreedna.com/public/robins/ and > find the join button...It gives a savings for testing thru > the Robins group. > > > > Usual price discount price > > Y-DNA 37 $169.00 $149.00 > > > > Y-DNA 67 $268.00 $248.00 > > > > 67 is recommended, but if you can only afford 37 then by all > means, do that one to get started. After you pay for testing > in the Robins project and your test results come back you > can join other projects within FTDNA at no additional > charge. Hope this helps. > > Remember the y-DNA is for males only. Someone with the > surname you are following. Fathers pass along a copy of > their dna with minor mutations over time. Women recombine > their dna before passing it along. Caroline > > > > ---- "Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... > [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > > > > The ad I got said $298. Shirley > Hawley-------------------------------------------- > > > On Fri, 6/13/14, Dorman Nelson > dormannelson@sbcglobal.net [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins > > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Friday, June 13, 2014, 8:13 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much is it to do the test? > > > Dorman > > > > > > On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:45 PM, > 'todd.d.robbins@...' > > > todd.d.robbins@... > > > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sara, > > > I > > > haven't and no one in my family has, to my > knowledge > > > anyhow. I need to save up some funds and do > > > that. > > > âTod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at > > > 3:35 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... > > > [robbinsfamilysociety] > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, Tod  & > > > Group, Chris, > > > thanks again your research is appreciated. The > original copy > > > of Danielâs 1714  will shows what appears to be a > very > > > shaky âDâ used as his mark. The Robins, Robbins of > New > > > Jersey has a transcribed copy of Danielâs will if > anyone > > > is interested in reading it.  Tod,  Have you > > > submitted your Y-DNA to the SPOW DNA? Has anyone else > in > > > your Aaron Robins, Sr. line taken the Y-DNA > > > test? Group, RE: > > > Kit#72633 George Robbins 1806 of Easton, PA? I see > their DNA > > > results at the SPOW DNA site. If my recollection is > correct, > > > this line is one of the Robbins brick walls? Is anyone > able > > > to share with us the name of the living person > connected to > > > George Robbins 1806? If there is a privacy issue then > I > > > understand & respect that personâs > > > > right.                                                                 > > > > Thanks,                                                                      > > >                 Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 1:24 PM > > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] > > > Daniel Robbins > > > > > >   > > > Thanks Chris! I'll have > > > to get a copy of that record for my > > > collection. > > > > > >  On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:20 > > > PM, C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... > > > [robbinsfamilysociety] > > > > wrote. : > > > > > >  > > > Found proof that Daniel could not > > > write in a 1975 publication - 'Historical and > > > Genealogical Miscellany, Vol VI: Unrecorded Wills > and > > > Inventories Monmouth County New Jersey.' Pg 30, > > > "Will of Danil Robines ... dated June 22, > 1714." > > > At the end of the transcription is "danil Robins > [his > > > mark]" Found this publication in the New Jersey > State > > > Archives some years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > >  -- > > > > > > Tod > > > RobbinsDigital Asset Manager, > > > MLIS > > > > > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tod > > > RobbinsDigital Asset > > > Manager, MLIS > > > > > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110 -- > > > #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp { > > > border:1px solid > #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px > > > 0;padding:0 10px;} > > > > > > #yiv1853896110 #yiv1853896110ygrp-mkp hr { 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Post Date/Time:2014-06-14 15:57:26 Subject:Blackley/ Blechley and Joshua Robins Ontario Message: If anyone is related to these people, let me know if you have found the Ontario Land Grant record for these people. If not, I have it copied. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:871 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-14 18:13:20 Subject:Boston, MA Message: Are there any members who live in Boston or a nearby area? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:872 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-16 09:23:54 Subject:Mundia trees Message: It appears that Mundia is closing down soon, from all accounts. If you have a Mundia tree, it would be a good thing to download the tree to a GEDCOM for safekeeping. It is my understanding that the trees that are there will be ported to ANCESTRY, so they will be lost to people without a subscription. Is there anywhere on the web that hosts a complete, easily searchable family descendant tree of the Robins line? I really liked looking at Sara's Mundia tree while it was there. It gave a real nice overview of who's wh o, as it were. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:873 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-20 13:56:13 Subject:Autosomal Y-DNA testing Message: I was wondering if there is any male member of the group that has tested with 23 and me, or some other autosomal testing service? I'm interested in pursuing some SNP matching within the YDNA specific results. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:874 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2014-06-20 20:14:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing Message: Yes, but obviously I am not a direct Robbins male descendant.  Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ________________________________ From: "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 4:56 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing  I was wondering if there is any male member of the group that has tested with 23 and me, or some other autosomal testing service? I'm interested in pursuing some SNP matching within the YDNA specific results. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:875 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-06-20 21:24:49 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing Message: Still saving up Richard. On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 9:14 PM, William Collins genedigger@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Yes, but obviously I am not a direct Robbins male descendant. > > Bill Collins > Summerville, SC > genedigger@... > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2014 4:56 PM > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing > > > I was wondering if there is any male member of the group that has tested > with 23 and me, or some other autosomal testing service? I'm interested in > pursuing some SNP matching within the YDNA specific results. > > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:876 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-21 20:25:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing Message: Are you planning to do the Big Y test? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:877 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2014-06-22 11:06:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing Message: 1. Who are you asking? 2. Is there a big advantage to the Big Y test?  Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ________________________________ From: "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing  Are you planning to do the Big Y test? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:878 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-22 14:19:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing Message: 1) I was asking Tod, since he was saving up for some test, as yet unspecified. 2) I think that the advantage would be in knowing what one's terminal (as in end) Y-DNA SNP would be, to determine later in the process what haplogroup should be assigned to you, or your family group. For instance, you could send in for the test for the Collins family group that is in your Y-DNA, and from the SNP's collected potentially determine an ancestral location within a country. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:879 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-22 14:38:28 Subject:FTDNA page for Y-DNA results Message: I was wondering if anyone is actively managing this page, found at: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/robins/default.aspx?section=yresults https://www.familytreedna.com/public/robins/default.aspx?section=yresults Seems to me that with the reclassification of the haplogroups, it is becoming evident that certain kits that were previously categorized in the Group#1 - Proven and likely descendants of Daniel Robins, c1627-c1714 of Scotland and New Jersey are no longer matching due to changes in the terminal SNP's. These kits in particular seem to be not matching the L-23 profile. 92387 Ephraim Robbins, moved NJ to Fayette Co, PA, c1807 Scotland R-P311 35619 Daniel Robins, b c1795 S.C Unknown Origin R-P25 I, of course, am going by the assumption that the L-23 designation is the correct one for Daniel Robins matches. Some may be getting the M-269 as a result of thei r only testing at 12 markers. And, does this mean that the L-23 people in the pool outside the Group one should be considered for inclusion? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:880 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-22 16:34:56 Subject:Sponsoring FTDNA Message: For new members who aren't aware of it. The funds from the sale of the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book were used to sponsor FTDNA tests for members who were unable to pay the fee or only pay part of the fee. Possib ly someone could think of another project in order to collect enough money to sponsor some candidates. Just a thought. On another topic. Genealogy News published an article today about Ancestry being hacked on June 18th. Does anyone know what hackers are looking for & how do they use the information from a site like Ancestry? Although Ancestry says no information was lost. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:881 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-22 17:53:52 Subject:Re: Sponsoring FTDNA Message: I like the idea of coming up with a fundraising effort in order to sponsor the new Big Y tests. Project wise, I can't really think of anything that would not duplicate the efforts that already have been done. Outside of getting contributions from group members, ($10 à 50 members) toward a Big Y test, anybody have any ideas? And Sara, Ancestry being hacked puts credit card info into jeopardy. That's what they are after. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:882 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-23 04:17:41 Subject:Fw: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website Message: Richard this is the one that is taking care of the Robbins DNA site now they are suppose to keep it up to date but I am still the admin for this site if you have any questions or problems contact me thanks shirley From: Results Tool Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM Subject: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website We have just updated the Results Page of your Surname Project's website at www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/robbins/results New results were added Please let your project members know that new results have been posted. Encourage them to provide their Earliest Known Ancestor and a pedigree. For more information about submitting this information: http://www.worldfamilies.net/postpedigree ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:883 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-23 05:54:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website Message: Shirley, I am with Richard...why not clean up the FTDNA site?? That is where most people start their search when considering testing. It looks like your World families site is where FTDNA should be. Thanks CG ---- "ladyfan3@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Richard > this is the one that is taking care of the Robbins DNA site now they are suppose to keep it up to date but I am still the admin for this site if you have any questions or > problems contact me thanks > shirley > > From: Results Tool > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:30 AM > > Subject: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website > > We have just updated the Results Page of your Surname Project's website at > > www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/robbins/results > > New results were added > > Please let your project members know that new results have been posted. > > Encourage them to provide their Earliest Known Ancestor and a pedigree. For more information about submitting this information: http://www.worldfamilies.net/postpedigree > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:884 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-23 10:55:19 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Sponsoring FTDNA Message: I donât believe we can duplicate what was done with the book to raise funds for DNA tests. Unless we have some very creative members who can come up with a workable idea then I think itâs a âno go.â Itâs my opinion tha t soliciting cash donations can lead to problems. Concerns for me are who handles the funds, accountability for the funds, who are the recipients of funds for the tests? John Taylor & I paid all the costs to compile & publish the book so any profit left was at our discretion to use as we chose. This eliminated the problems Iâve pointed out by taking cash donations. If anyone has a good idea to raise money other than cash donations, I will support it. Richard, Thanks for the insight on the Ancestry hacking for credit card information. I hope Ancestry is correct & the information wasnât accessed. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:54 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Sponsoring FTDNA I like the idea of coming up with a fundraising effort in order to sponsor the new Big Y tests. Project wise, I can't really think of anything that would not duplicate the efforts that already have been done. Outside of getting contributions from group members, ($10 à 50 members) toward a Big Y test, anybody have any ideas? And Sara, Ancestry being hacked puts credit card info into jeopardy. That's what they are after. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:885 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-23 12:59:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website Message: Carolyn, I'm confused, can you clarify something for me? Are you the Carolyn who is a Brintnel Robbins descendant or is there another Carolyn on this forum? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:886 Sender:carolyn mudry Post Date/Time:2014-06-23 13:31:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website Message: Hi Sara, I am descended from Brintnel Robbins from CT. Carolyn ________________________________ From: "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website  Carolyn, I'm confused, can you clarify something for me? Are you the Carolyn who is a Brintnel Robbins descendant or is there another Carolyn on this forum?                            Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:887 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-23 14:26:07 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website Message: Carolyn M., Thanks for explaining to me that you are the Carolyn of Brintnel Robbins family. I remember you introduced yourself when you joined. There was a mix up with your name being Carolyn or Joy. From recent postings, I though t maybe you had received DNA testing linking you to Daniel Robins instead of Brintnel Robbins. So there are two Carolyns here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 1:31 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website Hi Sara, I am descended from Brintnel Robbins from CT. Carolyn _____ From: "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website Carolyn, I'm confused, can you clarify something for me? Are you the Carolyn who is a Brintnel Robbins descendant or is there another Carolyn on this forum? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:888 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-23 14:35:11 Subject:Names of Members Message: Tod, There used to be a place on the homepage, left column under Group where the names & e-mail addresses of members were listed. Did Yahoo do away with it? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:889 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-23 18:45:27 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website Message: Sara, I am a Richard b. C.1710 descendant>Michael>Jesse>JesseJr>Daniel> Martha Jane Robins Painter My father Floyd Painter born Winston Co AL ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Carolyn, I'm confused, can you clarify something for me? Are you the Carolyn who is a Brintnel Robbins descendant or is there another Carolyn on this forum? > Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:890 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-23 21:12:18 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website Message: Carolyn G., Thank you for posting your line. Now I know there are two Carolyns & where they fit on the tree. Itâs nice to have both of you as members. I appreciate your comments & contributions to the discussion here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:45 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: New Results have been posted to your robbins Project's Website Sara, I am a Richard b. C.1710 descendant>Michael>Jesse>JesseJr>Daniel> Martha Jane Robins Painter My father Floyd Painter born Winston Co AL ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Carolyn, I'm confused, can you clarify something for me? Are you the Carolyn who is a Brintnel Robbins descendant or is there another Carolyn on this forum? > Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:891 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-06-24 06:20:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Names of Members Message: Sara, I'm not sure but I'll look into it today. On Monday, June 23, 2014, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Tod, > > There used to be a place on the homepage, left column under Group where > the names & e-mail addresses of members were listed. Did Yahoo do away with > it? > > > Sara > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:892 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-24 12:17:49 Subject:Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Message: Chris, A couple of questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or sources that links t hese children to Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? Do you know if any descendant/descendants of Richard's other sons, Richard, Jr., James, John, & Michael have tested? Thanks, Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:893 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2014-06-24 13:36:21 Subject:Re: Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Message: I have done some research on Richard Robbins of Rowan Co NC and believe these are his issue; Some are proven per tax and land deeds others without needed Sources. Some of this research was done by John Garman. These records are Rowan Co North Carolina. More research is needed. 1/ William Robbins born 1731 married Elizabeth Bryant Sources; ã 1810 Shelby Co Kentucky, Joseph, Richard, and Nathaniel Robbins 1820 Scott Co Indiana Census, Jacob, Richard, Aron, Nathan, Joseph 1830 Scott Co Indiana Census Valentine, John, Richard Nathaniel, Jacob Misc Land Office Lord Granville Richard Robins plat dated 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan Co. on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deed River on both sides of the branch of the said creek CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrent Dated 1 Dec 1753 The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4799- John Nation 23 May 1758 401 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of Polecat Creek, joining Harmon Cox Bullars line and both sides of the middle fork of the said Creek s/ John Nation Wits; W.Churton, John Long, entered 21 Feb 1757 surveyed 31 Aug 1757 SCC; Christopher Nation, William Robins, W Churton Survr Plat reads a tract of land for Capt Nation. 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W . Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaacs. The Granville District of NC 1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Grants Vol 3 by Margret M. Hofmann Marmaduke Vickery 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of deep river joining a bent of yer river /s/ mark W. Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 1757 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins. W.Churton, Survr Land Grants: Rabdolph NC 14 February 1783, survey of 132 acres on Uwarie River for William Robbins. Chain carriers: James Robbins, George Alexander [Land Grants, Randolph Co., file # 58A, NC Sec. of State Records, NC State Archives.] 2/ Elisha Robbins born abt 1732  married Unk. Wife no known issue; Sources; These are the only records of Elisha Robbins in Early Rowan with Richard Robbins He was not the proven father of any one. He may have gone to parts unknown or died. However he was the corrrect age to have married Bethiah Nation but no proof. .Elisha was still living in 1759 but disappears from records. The deeds below are the last time I found Elisha in Rowan Co records Miscellaneous Land office payers Lord Granville, NC State Archives Elisha Robins dated 1 Dec 1753 to James Carter to survey 640 acres in Rowan on Muddy Creek entering into deep river and on the month of second branch entered into the sd Creek s/ Fras Corbin, Entered 7 Feb 1752. Back of Document reads Executed Elisha Robins The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4943-Marmaduke Vickry 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of the deep River joining a bent of ye River s/ mark Wits; W Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 1757 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins, W. Churton survr. 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W . Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaacs. 3/ Jacob Robbins born abt 1734 married Mary Wells??? no Source for maiden name Sources; Granville County North Carolina Tax List on Dan River 1751 Richard, Isaac, Jacob-3 sons of Richard Isaac and Jacob at least 16 years old births 1735 Richard Robbins Jacob Robbins Isaac Robbins 3 Abstracts of The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions Rowan NC 1763-1774 by Jo White Linn 20 July 1768 Anthory White vs Peter Johnson' ;Jury ;Jacob and Mathias,Robbins , John Bryant William Satterwhite and Comp/ vs Thomas Bryant; Jury Jacob and Mathias Robbins, John Bryant 1830 Decatur Co Indiana 383 764 3 Robbens Jacob pgs-377-to-384.txt 385 768 16 Robbens John pgs-385-to-393.txt 401 800 24 Robbens Marmeduke pgs-395-to-401.txt 390 778 28 Robbens Mathew pgs-385-to-393.txt 384 766 23 Robbens William pgs-377-to-384.txt 406 810 14 Robbens William Jr pgs-402-to-410.txt This marriage bond places Jacob in Franklin Co and proves his wife as Mary They were married by Reverend Randolph Hall. Note' found filed with their marriage bond: "To the clerk of Franklin County -- Whereas Valentine Chastine and Mary Robbins had agreed to join hands in matreymony (sic) by aforsaid consent of each party." This was signe d by William Chastine and Sary and Jacob Robbins and Mary. The wittnesses were William and Absalum Robins 4/ Isaac Robbins born abt 1736 married Ann Bryant Sources; 1759 Tax List Rowan Co., NC Josiah Robins 1 pole William 1 pole, Richard 4 pole, Wm I pole, Matthew(Mathias) 1 pole John 1 pole Richard Robbins 1 pole 1761 Rowan Co NC Tax List Mathias Robins 1 pole, Isaac Robins 1 pole Richard Robins Michael Robbins 2 poles Christopher Nation 1 pole ã The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4930- William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 562 acres in Rowan in the Parish of St Luke on the south branch of Muddy Creek which is the water of Deep river joining a branch and both sides of ye main Branch s/ mark Wits; Jas Watson, George Herndon, examined by W. Churton and Wm Matthews surveyed 25 Aug 1756 SCC; Isaac Robins, Michal Robbins 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W . Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaac. Randolh Co North Carolina Land Warrents 1778-1948 Isaac Robbins Sr., 100 acres warrent # 119 issued Mar 29, 1797by Emaley Parke to Isaac Robins for 100 acres on waters of Caraway Creek joins his own line on E. And West runs S E and entered Aug 9, 1796 #136 Dec 2 1796 I saac Robins paid fo.50 for 100 acres in entry #119. John Haywood, Paid Treasurer 100 acres surveyed Mar31, 1797 by William Love, Ezekiel Robbins and Richard Robbins, chain carrier Will of Isaac Robbins 27 December 1807 Randolph Co., NC, will book 3, page 96(North Carolina State Archives, microfilm C.081.80001)In the name of God Amen, I Isaac Robbins of the County of Randolph and State of North Ca rolina being of sound and perfect mind &memory do this 27th day of December in the year of our Lord 1807, make andpublish this my last will & testament in manner and form following that is to say I give to my beloved wi fe all the house hold furniture and all the other property belonging to me with the dwellinghouse thatI now live in while she is my Widow except my land which I giveto my son Daniel Robbins and all the property that I h ave gave to my beloved wife if she should marry shall be took and divided amongst mychildren or at her death namely Isaac, John, Ezekiel, Richard, Thomas,Anner, Elizabeth, Ann, Amy & Keziah Robbins and I reserve my mare whileI live to myself And I hereby make and ordain my son Ezekiel Robbins Executor of this my last will & testament in witness whereof I the saidIsaac Robbins have to this my last will & testament set my hand andseal the day that above written. Signed, sealed published and hisdelivered in presence of us Isaa c + RobbinsTest Lewis Jones mark Randolph County May Term 1808 The above last will & testament of Isaac Robbins Decd was duly proven in open Court by Lewis Jones and ordered to be recorded.Test Jesse Harper CC[Transcrib ed by John L. German, C.G. on 31 July 1999.] Change Date: 12 APR 2008 Wife Ann Bryant John Bryant Will* He left a will on 15 March 1790 at Randolph, North Carolina; Proven in court by David Smith, December Term 1791. Heirs: Granddaughters: Mary and Sarah Bryant Grandson: Alexander Bryant Brother: Peter Bryant, executor Daughters: Elenor Curtis, Ann Robbins, Mary Low Co-Executor: Alexander Smith Witnesses: Wm. Millikin, David Smith.1 Death* He died circa December 1791 at Randolph, North Carolina. 5/ Mathias Robbins born abt 1738 married unk. wIfe Sources; 6/ James Robbins born 1740  married Martha Beesley ? Sources; some by John Garman These census records are probably of this James Robbins: 1790 Randolph Co., NC, p. 101: Robbins, James 3 2 2 0 0 1800 Randolph Co., NC, p. 337: James Robbins 10111-10001-00 1810 Randolph Co., NC, p. 180: James Robins Sr. 01001-00011-00 John German Research On this site, I offer a substantial revision of the identity of James Robbins of Randolph Co., NC. My study has found that James Robbins, erroneously treated as one man in many undocumented genealogies, is in fact at le ast two men 1) James Robbins, identified in some records as James Robbins Sr., was probably born ca 1738, and was still living in Randolph Co., NC, in 1810. 2) James Robbins, will dated 1799 in Randolph Co., NC, was married to Elizabeth Yount, and survived by four (and only four!) children. Randolph Co., NC, deeds: 26 September 1787, Joseph Robins to Thomas Bulla[?], 150 acres on Back Creek. Wit.: James Robins, Thos. Lowe (vol. 3, p. 124). 9 February 1788, Joseph (X) Robins Senr. to Joseph Robins Jur., 200 acres on Hannah's Creek. Wit.: Joseph Wade, James Robins (volo. 3, p. 306). 20 February 1788, Joseph (X) Robins Senr. to Joseph Robins Jur.., 100 acres on Hannah's Creek. Wit.: James Robins, Joseph Wade (vol. 3, p. 305). Land Grants: 14 February 1783, survey of 132 acres on Uwarie River for William Robbins. Chain carriers: James Robbins, Geroge Alexander [Land Grants, Randolph Co., file # 58A, NC Sec. of State Records, NC State Archives.] 8 August 1796, survey of 50 acres on Back Creek for Ezekiel Robins. Chain carriers: James Robins Sr., William Robins [Land Grants, Randolph Co., file # 1000, NC Sec. of State Records, NC State Archives.] , vol 11, pp 32 -33: John German Research; In 1790, James Robbins purchased what may have been the only land he ever owned from the estate of Joseph Robbins: Randolph Co. deeds, vol 11, pp 32-33: This Indenture Made the 26th Day of May in the Year of Our Lord 1790 Between Joseph Robins Jur [junior] & Alse Robins Executrix of Joseph Robins Deseased of the County of Randolph & State of No Carolina of the one part & James Robins of the other part of the County & State afsd. Witness that the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins for & in consideration of the Sum of Forty pounds to them in hand paid the Sd. Joseph Robins & Alse Robins by the Sd . James Robins Before the Execution here of the Recept Where of the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins Doeth hereby acknowledge hereof G________ & aquit the Sd James Robins, his Heirs Exer. Adms. & Assigns [,] they the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins by these presents hath Granted Bargained & Sold a____ assignd. Released & Confirmed & ___ ___ unto the Sd. James Robins his hiers & assigns forever all that piece or parcel of land lying & being this Coun ty on the Waters of Caraway Beginning at a White Oak on the afsd. Joseph Robins Desd. former Survey thence Wt. 46 Po. to a Hickory thence No. 147 Po. to a post oak thence Et. 185 Po. to a Black oak thence No.[this is wrong, the direction is So.] 65 Po. a post oak his old line thence Wt. 139 Po. With his old li nes to his corner hickory thence So. With sd. line 82 po. to the place of Beginning - Containing one Hundred acres of land be the same more or less Together with all Improvements ____ _____ H_______ & appurtenances to t he Sd. 100 acres of land Belonging & any wise apputaining & _____ the Estate ____ title ____ _____ ____ & _____ Whatever of in & to the Sd. Parcil of Land & _____ & every part thereof with the appurtenances thereunto ap purtaining To have & to hold to the Sd. James Robins his hiers & assings forever to ___ ____ _____ _____ ____ _____ of forever & the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins Doeth hereby Grant th__ ___ ____ ____ ____ their Hiers & ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ unto the Sd. James Robins his hiers & assigns forever ____ them the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins & their Heirs & all & every other ____ ____ by from or ____ ____ In Witness Whereof we have hereunto Set our hands & affuxed our Seals this Day & year above Written State No Carolina} Randolph County } May Sessions 1806 The Execution of the above Deed was Duly acknowledged in open Court by Joseph Robins & Ordered to be Registered - JHarper, Clk 7/ John Robbins born 1741 married Elizabeth Curtis Revolutionary War Veteran: His headstone is in Locust Grove M.E. Cemetery, on the West Side of Centerville/Abington Pike, near Abington, IN. There is a D.A.R. marker indicating the following: Revolutionary Soldier, Joh n Robbins, 1775-1783, Placed by Richmond Indiana Chapter, D.A.R.- National Old Trails Chapter D.A.R. Headstone inscription-In the memory of John Robbins who departed his life May 8, 1834 in the 93d year of his age. Wou nded in the Battle of Guilford Court House- "He came to Indiana and was a resident of Wayne county at the time of his death, which occurred about 1837, at the age of ninety-three." (*His age was previously indicated to be 100 years old, at time of death) Wayne Co Indiana John Robbins b 1741 North Carolina Services History of Wayne Co Published in 1884 pg 358 says he was a Soldier of the Rev. War Died 1834 Wayne Co Ind Methedoist Cemetery called Locust Grove. near Abington Married Sarah issue; Moses b/ 1765 d/ 1850 8/ Richard Robbins, Jr married Margaret Anderson 26 Mar 1765, Christopher Nation, bm Sources;Rowan Co. NC Marriages 1753-1868 Richard Robins and Margaret Anderson 26 March 1765 Christopher Nation bondsman John Frohock CC 11Feb 1769 Richard Robins, Sr. to Richard Robins, Jr. for f40 an improvement on Abbotts Creek called Hunts Fork and livestock Christopher Nation Prvd. May Court 1769. 9/ Michael Robbins born abt 1745 married ink wife Sources; same by John Garman ã1790 census Greenville Dist., SC: p. 70 Isaac Robins 1 1 1 0 0 p. 70 Michal Robins 4 1 5 0 0 1800 census Pendleton Dist., SC: p. 33 William Robinson 00001-00010-1,10 p. 34 Levi Robins 10210-20210-00 p. 36 Joshua Robins 20010-22010-00 1800 census Greenville Dist., SC p. 279 Christopher Robins 01101-31301-00 p. 281 Michal Robins 00301-01101-00 p. 282 Jessee Robbins 01010-20200-00 The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4930- William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 562 acres in Rowan in the Parish of St Luke on the south branch of Muddy Creek which is the water of Deep river joining a branch and both sides of ye main Branch s/ mark Wits; Jas Watson, George Herndon, examined by W. Churton and Wm Matthews surveyed 25 Aug 1756 SCC; Isaac Robins, Michal Robbins John German research; BIOGRAPHICAL AND HISTORICAL MEMOIRS OF MISSISSIPPI (Chicago: Goodspeed Pub. Co., 1891 / Spartanburg, SC: The Reprint Co., 1978), vol. II, pp. 692-693: Colonel Jephthah Robins Col. Jephthah Robins has for many years been a most conspicuous and influential member of the bar of Mississippi, and is worthy of mention in this record of the men who have been important factors in the development and cultivation of the resources of the state. He is a native of Pickens district, S.C., born in 1814, and is a son of Albert and Susan (Norton) Robins, natives of South Carolina and Virginia respectively. Albert Robins was a son of Michael Robins, a native North Carolina, and a farmer by occupation. When Albert was a mere lad his father removed to The father was one of a family of eight sons and four daughters. He and all his brothers were soldiers in the Revolutionary war. he lived to the allotted age of man, three score and ten years. He reared a family of four sons and four daughters, all of whom lived to be grown. Albert was next to the youngest child, and was reared in South Carolina, where he resided until  . He then came to Fulton, Miss., where he lived at the time of his death, in 1849; he was seventy-eight years of age. His wife died two years later at about the same age. She was a consistent member of the Baptist church. To them were born three children: Levi died in South Carolina; Mrs. Arminda Copeland died in Fulton, Miss.; the Colonel was the second born. He passed his youth in South Carolina, and received his education in the common schools. When he had reached his twentieth year he went to Moulton, Ala., where he clerked in a dry goods store for one year. Thence he went to Fulton, Miss., in 1836, and there he was employed as a clerk for some time. He then engaged in the mercantile trade on his own account, and while in this business, he was elected treasurer of the county of Itawamba. After discharging the duties of this office for one term he was elected probate clerk for two years. he was then made clerk of the chancery court, the district comprising Itawamba, Monroe, Chickasaw and Tishomingo counties. He held this office eight years, and during that time he read law, and was admitted to the bar at Aberdeen, Judge Rogers presiding. He practiced his profession at Fulton until 1852, when he came to Lee county, and located at Guntown. For several years he devoted himself industriously to the law, but of late years, he has paid more attention to agriculture, and has turned his practice over to his son, John Quitman Robins, a partner of the Hon. John M. Allen. Colonel Robins was attorney for the Mobile & Ohio railroad, which position brought him many duties, and he still attends to all legal matters pertaining to the road. He is a man well read in all points of law and every class of literature. He is aman of rare judgement, quick insight and keep observation. He has won a wide reputation and his ability is recognized in all legal circles throughout the South. He was married to Eliza D. Allen, a sister of the Hon. J.M. Allen, a native of Virginia (See sketch of John M. Allen). Nine children were born to this union, one of whom is deceased: Mrs. Belle Gore, Mrs. Molliue Allen, John Q., Jephthah (deceased), William, James, Edwin, Annie and Harrison Lamar. The younger children are now attending some of the best educational institutions of the South, and all have had superior advantages in that line. Colonel Robins served on detached duty during the late Civil war, and was on intimate terms with Jefferson Davis, McNutt, Foote, Prentiss and Poindexter. He was a member of the Independent Order of Odd Fellows at Aberdeen, but the lodge is no longer in existence. He and his wife are members of the Methodist Episcopal church. The Colonel is a selfmade man, and is fully deserving of the honors that have been conferred upon him, and entirely worthy of the high regard in which he is held in the state. John German research Michael Robbins, c1745-c1820, first appears as a second poll with Richard Robbins in a 1761 tax list of Rowan Co., NC, suggesting Richard Robins paid poll tax for himself and Michael Robbins thus giving us our evidence that Michael was Richard's son. Michael was still in Randolph Co., NC, during the 1779 tax assesments, but he appears to have sided with the Loyalists during the Revolutionary War and relocated to SC after that cause was lost [State Records of North Carolina and David Fannin's memoir]. Estate record of Michael Robins: Greenville County, South Carolina, estate papers, Michael Robbins [apt 12 file 18], South Carolina State Archives. "Greenville County estate papers of Michael Robbins [apt 12 file 18] from the SC State Archives. There were only 5 documents: 1) 2 Oct 1820, Citation to the kindred of Micheal Robins dec. to appear at Ordinary Court on the 30th to consider granting letters of administration to Jesse Robbins. 2) 1 Jan 1821, Citation to the kindred of Micheal Robins dec. to appear at Ordinary Court on the 19th to consider granting letters of administration to John Dickerson. 3) 5 Feb 1821 (written over another date that can't be deciphered), Warrant for appraisement; Jesse Robins's and then John Dickerson's names are scratched out, and Michael Robins Junr is written in as the name of the administrator. Named appraiseors are Pascal Rutledge, John H. Joyce, John Machen, and James Creamer[?]. 4) 5 Feb 1821 (written over another date that can't be deciphered), Petition of Michael Robins (written over another name that can't be deciphered) adminsitrator of Michael Robins dec. to sell personal estate "all the distributees of said Estate are of full age", signed Mickel Robins. Sale approved for "25th day of December next". 5) 27 Feb 1821, inventory and appraisement of goods and chattels of the estate of Michael Robins dec." _______ I've documented two of the brothers of Michael Robbins from a 1751 Dan River tax list transcript (this was in Granville Co., NC, but became part of Rowan Co., NC, in 1753). As I interpret it, Richard Robbins is paying taxes for himself as well as a Jacob Robbins and an Isaac Robbins. The undocumented genealogies of the Robbins family place Jacob as a son of Elisha Robbins without any evidence to support the claim. In 1754 a Richard Robbins witnessed the will of Joseph Robbins in Rowan Co. Joseph Robbins was from Frederick Co., VA, 10/ Jonathan Robbins born abt 1746 married Lydia Ledford Sources; Rowan Co Marriages Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim. John Swaim. Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins John Swaim gave concent her father 1769. Rowan Co Tax List 1759 Josiah Robins 1 pole Wm Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 4 poles Wm Robins 1 pole John Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 1 pole 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins 1768 Rowan Co Tax List of William Spurgin Jonathan Robins and Mark Lot 2 poles Matthias Robbins Wm Ledford and sons Thomas, John, Slaves Toney Dinah 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins Rowan Co Vacant land Entries, 1778 1789 8 Sept 1783 William Ledford, Jr. 300 a on both sides of Abbots Crk Adj Phillip Clinard and his own line Including improvement formerly by Jonathan Robins. Willam Ledford WILL Later moved to Randolph County, NC where he left Will written 2 Jun 1796 and probated in 1796 Rowan Co, NC. heirs named - wife: Elizabeth sons: John, Squire, Thomas & William daus: Sarah SPOOLMAN, Phoebe SIMMONS, Lydia ROBBINS, Martha TEAGUE, Ann DAVIS, Rebecca HINKLE & Elizabeth McCurry dau-in-law: Grizella LEDFORD Executor: son John LEDFORD Witnesses: wife Elizabeth LEDFORD, Jacob BROMEL & Daniel CLINARD Buried Abbott Creek Baptist Church cemetery. The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, Rowan Co 1763-1775, by Jo White Linn 20 July 1768 Jury Jacob and Mathias Robins, Jacob son of Richard Robbins 9 May 1770 Jonathan Robbins appointed Constable instead of James Billingsley. 11/ Nancy Ann Robbins born 1747 married William Swaim 27 Apr 1765 Rowan Co NC Jonathan Robbins AND William Ledford bms. Sources; Research of my 5th great- grandparents William Sawim and Nancy Ann Robbins !Rowan Co, NC Marriage Bonds Pt 2 FHLbook William SWAIM & Ann ROBBINS md 27 Apr 1765 Bondsmen: William LEDFORD & Jonathan ROBBINS Witness: William FROHOCK Note: William Swaim Will was written 6 Nov 1811 probated 1813 Stokes Co, NC heirs named - wife: Ann Nancy unmarried sons: Jonathan, Silas & Michael married sons: Jesse & Moses married daus: Elizabeth BODENHAMER, Charity IDOL, Mary CLAMPITT, Nancy WILLIARD, Isabella REICH & Milly KILLIAN grandsons: Elijah SWAIM & William BENNETT Executors: wife Ann Nancy SWAIM & son Jonathan SWAIM The following was written in William and Ann Nancy Swaim's Bible ofStokes Co, NC children: John b.1766 d.1797 m.1785 to Elizabeth Welborn Amelia b.1768 d.1788 m.1786 to John Bennett Elizabeth b.1769 m.1786 to Jonathan Bodenhamer Charity b.1770 d.1859 m.1794 to Michael Idol Jonathan b.1772 d.1844 m.1st to Drucilla Morris m.2nd to Eva(Rominger) Snow Mary b.1774 m.1807 to George Clampitt Nancy b.1776 m.1808 to John Williard Millicent b.1777 m.1806 to Michael Killian Isabella b.1778 d.1841 m.1802 to Christian Reich Jesse b.1780 d.1832 m.1805 to Maria Lanius Moses b.1783 d.1849 m.1806 to Susanna Ledford Silas b.1786 d.1859 m.1818 to Charity Manning Michael b.1790 m.1813 to Anna Rosina Lanius m.2nd to Miriam Herod 12/ Isabel Robbins born 1750  married William Livington 22 Sept 1767, Rowan NC ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:894 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-24 13:52:27 Subject:Ancestry, Rootsweb, and a public tree. Message: I'm seeing the damage that the hackers caused to Ancestry related websites. Mundia is gone, but that was probably gone anyway. What disturbs me is Rootsweb trees have disappeared. THAT is a big deal, especially to someo ne like me that feels that having family history ransomed for a subscription fee is borderline criminal. In dealing with Murray Aspden's tree the other day, I was to have received an invite for viewing that tree. Of course, that never came. Probably Ancestry's invite system is gone too, along with everything else. I really wish that there was a place we could put all the genealogy data that we have that doesn't require a monthly "pound of flesh" donation... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:895 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-24 14:46:05 Subject:help with Daniel Robbins Message: can some one help me I am trying to do the DAR and I am thur Daniel Robbins and Anna Day Robbins and there was a old Daniel Robbins that lived in Morgan co Ky came from NC to VA and then KY well this person thanks I can get it thur Daniel who married Swaim does any one know how can I get info on my daniel and also Joshua Robbins lived in Morgan co kY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:896 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-24 15:49:33 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Message: Shirley, Are you referring to the Daniel Robbins b. 1770 in Orange Co., VA & d. 10-8-1831 in Randolph Co., NC who married on 12-1-1790 Massah Swaim b. 7-15-1768, d. 1846 NC? What is the name of the patriot ancestor you are tryin g to link to for the DAR? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:46 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins can some one help me I am trying to do the DAR and I am thur Daniel Robbins and Anna Day Robbins and there was a old Daniel Robbins that lived in Morgan co Ky came from NC to VA and then KY well this person thanks I can get it thur Daniel who married Swaim does any one know how can I get info on my daniel and also Joshua Robbins lived in Morgan co kY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:897 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-24 17:02:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Message: HI Sara all I know is I had a G Grand father and his name was Daniel A Robbins and he married Anna Day from Va and he died supposedly in 1870 Morgan co Ky but I cannot even prove if he was my grand father but I have all his children death records and census records but Joshua Robbins was my G Grand father and he married Mary Brown and they also lived in Morgan co Ky and he died in the river killed they said in 1870 also in the 1880 cencus Mary was a widow with all the children Emery,Daniel,Rhoda, James Alfred, and more and she ended up in Greenup co Ky living with her son Alfred Robbins I donât have her death date I would love to find that there was a Daniel Robbins and a Daniel Robbins Jr in the clay co Ky census I think was 1810 or 1820 so I think the Jr was my G Grand father that married Anna I would love to find what Daniel I connect to thanks the census said that Daniel came from NC I have my Robbins connected all the way to Joshua Robbins cannot connect him to his father but said he was born in KY shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:898 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2014-06-24 17:03:18 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ancestry, Rootsweb, and a public tree. Message: Have you considered FamilySearch.org? They seem to be open to data donations. See    https://familysearch.org/sites/default/uploads/Donations-Guidelines-REVISION-12-July-2012.pdf  Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... ________________________________ From: "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:52 PM Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ancestry, Rootsweb, and a public tree.  I'm seeing the damage that the hackers caused to Ancestry related websites. Mundia is gone, but that was probably gone anyway. What disturbs me is Rootsweb trees have disappeared. THAT is a big deal, especially to someo ne like me that feels that having family history ransomed for a subscription fee is borderline criminal. In dealing with Murray Aspden's tree the other day, I was to have received an invite for viewing that tree. Of course, that never came. Probably Ancestry's invite system is gone too, along with everything else. I really wish that there was a place we could put all the genealogy data that we have that doesn't require a monthly "pound of flesh" donation... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:899 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-24 18:42:23 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Message: Jerry, Thanks for sharing your research with us. It appears to me you have gathered as many reliable records as possible. I can see why John German was so frustrated with the lack of records & persisted with the DNA research. I was under the impression that John had more than one Richard male tested but maybe they were in the Joseph Robins, Jr. line? Iâm only aware of Chris Robbins whose DNA confirms he is a Richard Robins descendant. Howe ver, this may not be true for the other males assigned to Richard. I realize you canât be a candidate. Are there any Robbins male descendants from the other sons assigned to Richard who have tested or could be tested? My experience is that finding willing & qualified males for testing isnât always easy. Anyhow, it was good to be able to look at the Richard Robins line again. Thanks for providing what you have compiled for Richard Rob bins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 1:36 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 I have done some research on Richard Robbins of Rowan Co NC and believe these are his issue; Some are proven per tax and land deeds others without needed Sources. Some of this research was done by John Garman. These records are Rowan Co North Carolina. More research is needed. 1/ William Robbins born 1731 married Elizabeth Bryant Sources; ã 1810 Shelby Co Kentucky, Joseph, Richard, and Nathaniel Robbins 1820 Scott Co Indiana Census, Jacob, Richard, Aron, Nathan, Joseph 1830 Scott Co Indiana Census Valentine, John, Richard Nathaniel, Jacob Misc Land Office Lord Granville Richard Robins plat dated 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan Co. on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deed River on both sides of the branch of the said creek CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrent Dated 1 Dec 1753 The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4799- John Nation 23 May 1758 401 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of Polecat Creek, joining Harmon Cox Bullars line and both sides of the middle fork of the said Creek s/ John Nation Wits; W.Chu rton, John Long, entered 21 Feb 1757 surveyed 31 Aug 1757 SCC; Christopher Nation, William Robins, W Churton Survr Plat reads a tract of land for Capt Nation. 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W. Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaacs. The Granville District of NC 1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Grants Vol 3 by Margret M. Hofmann Marmaduke Vickery 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of deep river joining a bent of yer river /s/ mark W. Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 1757 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins. W.Churton, Survr Land Grants: Rabdolph NC 14 February 1783, survey of 132 acres on Uwarie River for William Robbins. Chain carriers: James Robbins, George Alexander [Land Grants, Randolph Co., file # 58A, NC Sec. of State Records, NC State Archives.] 2/ Elisha Robbins born abt 1732 married Unk. Wife no known issue; Sources; These are the only records of Elisha Robbins in Early Rowan with Richard Robbins He was not the proven father of any one. He may have gone to parts unknown or died. However he was the corrrect age to have married Bethiah Nation but no proof. .Elisha was still living in 1759 but disappears from records. The deeds below are the last time I found Elisha in Rowan Co records Miscellaneous Land office payers Lord Granville, NC State Archives Elisha Robins dated 1 Dec 1753 to James Carter to survey 640 acres in Rowan on Muddy Creek entering into deep river and on the month of second branch entered into the sd Creek s/ Fras Corbin, Entered 7 Feb 1752. Back of Document reads Executed Elisha Robins The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4943-Marmaduke Vickry 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of the deep River joining a bent of ye River s/ mark Wits; W Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 17 57 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins, W. Churton survr. 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W. Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaacs. 3/ Jacob Robbins born abt 1734 married Mary Wells??? no Source for maiden name Sources; Granville County North Carolina Tax List on Dan River 1751 Richard, Isaac, Jacob-3 sons of Richard Isaac and Jacob at least 16 years old births 1735 Richard Robbins Jacob Robbins Isaac Robbins 3 Abstracts of The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions Rowan NC 1763-1774 by Jo White Linn 20 July 1768 Anthory White vs Peter Johnson' ;Jury ;Jacob and Mathias,Robbins , John Bryant William Satterwhite and Comp/ vs Thomas Bryant; Jury Jacob and Mathias Robbins, John Bryant 1830 Decatur Co Indiana 383 764 3 Robbens Jacob pgs-377-to-384.txt 385 768 16 Robbens John pgs-385-to-393.txt 401 800 24 Robbens Marmeduke pgs-395-to-401.txt 390 778 28 Robbens Mathew pgs-385-to-393.txt 384 766 23 Robbens William pgs-377-to-384.txt 406 810 14 Robbens William Jr pgs-402-to-410.txt This marriage bond places Jacob in Franklin Co and proves his wife as Mary They were married by Reverend Randolph Hall. Note' found filed with their marriage bond: "To the clerk of Franklin County -- Whereas Valentine Chastine and Mary Robbins had agreed to join hands in matreymony (sic) by aforsaid consent of each party." This was signe d by William Chastine and Sary and Jacob Robbins and Mary. The wittnesses were William and Absalum Robins 4/ Isaac Robbins born abt 1736 married Ann Bryant Sources; 1759 Tax List Rowan Co., NC Josiah Robins 1 pole William 1 pole, Richard 4 pole, Wm I pole, Matthew(Mathias) 1 pole John 1 pole Richard Robbins 1 pole 1761 Rowan Co NC Tax List Mathias Robins 1 pole, Isaac Robins 1 pole Richard Robins Michael Robbins 2 poles Christopher Nation 1 pole ã The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4930- William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 562 acres in Rowan in the Parish of St Luke on the south branch of Muddy Creek which is the water of Deep river joining a branch and both sides of ye main Branch s/ mark Wits; Jas Watson, George Herndon, examined by W. Churton and Wm Matthews surveyed 25 Aug 1756 SCC; Isaac Robins, Michal Robbins 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W. Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaac. Randolh Co North Carolina Land Warrents 1778-1948 Isaac Robbins Sr., 100 acres warrent # 119 issued Mar 29, 1797by Emaley Parke to Isaac Robins for 100 acres on waters of Caraway Creek joins his own line on E. And West runs S E and entered Aug 9, 1796 #136 Dec 2 1796 I saac Robins paid fo.50 for 100 acres in entry #119. John Haywood, Paid Treasurer 100 acres surveyed Mar31, 1797 by William Love, Ezekiel Robbins and Richard Robbins, chain carrier Will of Isaac Robbins 27 December 1807 Randolph Co., NC, will book 3, page 96(North Carolina State Archives, microfilm C.081.80001)In the name of God Amen, I Isaac Robbins of the County of Randolph and State of North Ca rolina being of sound and perfect mind &memory do this 27th day of December in the year of our Lord 1807, make andpublish this my last will & testament in manner and form following that is to say I give to my beloved wi fe all the house hold furniture and all the other property belonging to me with the dwellinghouse thatI now live in while she is my Widow except my land which I giveto my son Daniel Robbins and all the property that I h ave gave to my beloved wife if she should marry shall be took and divided amongst mychildren or at her death namely Isaac, John, Ezekiel, Richard, Thomas,Anner, Elizabeth, Ann, Amy & Keziah Robbins and I reserve my mare whileI live to myself And I hereby make and ordain my son Ezekiel Robbins Executor of this my last will & testament in witness whereof I the saidIsaac Robbins have to this my last will & testament set my hand andseal t he day that above written. Signed, sealed published and hisdelivered in presence of us Isaac + RobbinsTest Lewis Jones mark Randolph County May Term 1808 The above last will & testament of Isaac Robbins Decd was duly pr oven in open Court by Lewis Jones and ordered to be recorded.Test Jesse Harper CC[Transcribed by John L. German, C.G. on 31 July 1999.] Change Date: 12 APR 2008 Wife Ann Bryant John Bryant Will* He left a will on 15 March 1790 at Randolph, North Carolina; Proven in court by David Smith, December Term 1791. Heirs: Granddaughters: Mary and Sarah Bryant Grandson: Alexander Bryant Brother: Peter Bryant, executor Daughters: Elenor Curtis, Ann Robbins, Mary Low Co-Executor: Alexander Smith Witnesses: Wm. Millikin, David Smith.1 Death* He died circa December 1791 at Randolph, North Carolina. 5/ Mathias Robbins born abt 1738 married unk. wIfe Sources; 6/ James Robbins born 1740 married Martha Beesley ? Sources; some by John Garman These census records are probably of this James Robbins: 1790 Randolph Co., NC, p. 101: Robbins, James 3 2 2 0 0 1800 Randolph Co., NC, p. 337: James Robbins 10111-10001-00 1810 Randolph Co., NC, p. 180: James Robins Sr. 01001-00011-00 John German Research On this site, I offer a substantial revision of the identity of James Robbins of Randolph Co., NC. My study has found that James Robbins, erroneously treated as one man in many undocumented genealogies, is in fact at le ast two men 1) James Robbins, identified in some records as James Robbins Sr., was probably born ca 1738, and was still living in Randolph Co., NC, in 1810. 2) James Robbins, will dated 1799 in Randolph Co., NC, was married to Elizabeth Yount, and survived by four (and only four!) children. Randolph Co., NC, deeds: 26 September 1787, Joseph Robins to Thomas Bulla[?], 150 acres on Back Creek. Wit.: James Robins, Thos. Lowe (vol. 3, p. 124). 9 February 1788, Joseph (X) Robins Senr. to Joseph Robins Jur., 200 acres on Hannah's Creek. Wit.: Joseph Wade, James Robins (volo. 3, p. 306). 20 February 1788, Joseph (X) Robins Senr. to Joseph Robins Jur.., 100 acres on Hannah's Creek. Wit.: James Robins, Joseph Wade (vol. 3, p. 305). Land Grants: 14 February 1783, survey of 132 acres on Uwarie River for William Robbins. Chain carriers: James Robbins, Geroge Alexander [Land Grants, Randolph Co., file # 58A, NC Sec. of State Records, NC State Archives.] 8 August 1796, survey of 50 acres on Back Creek for Ezekiel Robins. Chain carriers: James Robins Sr., William Robins [Land Grants, Randolph Co., file # 1000, NC Sec. of State Records, NC State Archives.] , vol 11, pp 32 -33: John German Research; In 1790, James Robbins purchased what may have been the only land he ever owned from the estate of Joseph Robbins: Randolph Co. deeds, vol 11, pp 32-33: This Indenture Made the 26th Day of May in the Year of Our Lord 1790 Between Joseph Robins Jur [junior] & Alse Robins Executrix of Joseph Robins Deseased of the County of Randolph & State of No Carolina of the one part & James Robins of the other part of the County & State afsd. Witness that the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins for & in consideration of the Sum of Forty pounds to them in hand paid the Sd. Joseph Robins & Alse Robins by the Sd . James Robins Before the Execution here of the Recept Where of the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins Doeth hereby acknowledge hereof G________ & aquit the Sd James Robins, his Heirs Exer. Adms. & Assigns [,] they the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins by these presents hath Granted Bargained & Sold a____ assignd. Released & Confirmed & ___ ___ unto the Sd. James Robins his hiers & assigns forever all that piece or parcel of land lying & being this Coun ty on the Waters of Caraway Beginning at a White Oak on the afsd. Joseph Robins Desd. former Survey thence Wt. 46 Po. to a Hickory thence No. 147 Po. to a post oak thence Et. 185 Po. to a Black oak thence No.[this is wr ong, the direction is So.] 65 Po. a post oak his old line thence Wt. 139 Po. With his old lines to his corner hickory thence So. With sd. line 82 po. to the place of Beginning - Containing one Hundred acres of land be t he same more or less Together with all Improvements ____ _____ H_______ & appurtenances to the Sd. 100 acres of land Belonging & any wise apputaining & _____ the Estate ____ title ____ _____ ____ & _____ Whatever of in & to the Sd. Parcil of Land & _____ & every part thereof with the appurtenances thereunto appurtaining To have & to hold to the Sd. James Robins his hiers & assings forever to ___ ____ _____ _____ ____ _____ of forever & the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins Doeth hereby Grant th__ ___ ____ ____ ____ their Hiers & ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ unto the Sd. James Robins his hiers & assigns forever ____ them the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins & their Heirs & all & every other ____ ____ by from or ____ ____ In Witness Whereof we have hereunto Set our hands & affuxed our Seals this Day & year above Written State No Carolina} Randolph County } May Sessions 1806 The Execution of the above Deed was Duly acknowledged in open Court by Joseph Robins & Ordered to be Registered - JHarper, Clk 7/ John Robbins born 1741 married Elizabeth Curtis Revolutionary War Veteran: His headstone is in Locust Grove M.E. Cemetery, on the West Side of Centerville/Abington Pike, near Abington, IN. There is a D.A.R. marker indicating the following: Revolutionary Soldier, John Robbins, 1775-1783, Placed by Richmond Indiana Chapter, D.A.R.- National Old Trails Chapter D.A.R. Headstone inscription-In the memory of John Robbins who departed his life May 8, 1834 in the 93d year of his age. Wound ed in the Battle of Guilford Court House- "He came to Indiana and was a resident of Wayne county at the time of his death, which occurred about 1837, at the age of ninety-three." (*His age was previously indicated to be 100 years old, at time of death) Wayne Co Indiana John Robbins b 1741 North Carolina Services History of Wayne Co Published in 1884 pg 358 says he was a Soldier of the Rev. War Died 1834 Wayne Co Ind Methedoist Cemetery called Locust Grove. near Abington Married Sarah issue; Moses b/ 1765 d/ 1850 8/ Richard Robbins, Jr married Margaret Anderson 26 Mar 1765, Christopher Nation, bm Sources; Rowan Co. NC Marriages 1753-1868 Richard Robins and Margaret Anderson 26 March 1765 Christopher Nation bondsman John Frohock CC 11Feb 1769 Richard Robins, Sr. to Richard Robins, Jr. for f40 an improvement on Abbotts Creek called Hunts Fork and livestock Christopher Nation Prvd. May Court 1769. 9/ Michael Robbins born abt 1745 married ink wife Sources; same by John Garman ã1790 census Greenville Dist., SC: p. 70 Isaac Robins 1 1 1 0 0 p. 70 Michal Robins 4 1 5 0 0 1800 census Pendleton Dist., SC: p. 33 William Robinson 00001-00010-1,10 p. 34 Levi Robins 10210-20210-00 p. 36 Joshua Robins 20010-22010-00 1800 census Greenville Dist., SC p. 279 Christopher Robins 01101-31301-00 p. 281 Michal Robins 00301-01101-00 p. 282 Jessee Robbins 01010-20200-00 The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4930- William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 562 acres in Rowan in the Parish of St Luke on the south branch of Muddy Creek which is the water of Deep river joining a branch and both sides of ye main Branch s/ mark Wits; Jas Watson, George Herndon, examined by W. Churton and Wm Matthews surveyed 25 Aug 1756 SCC; Isaac Robins, Michal Robbins John German research; BIOGRAPHICAL AND HISTORICAL MEMOIRS OF MISSISSIPPI (Chicago: Goodspeed Pub. Co., 1891 / Spartanburg, SC: The Reprint Co., 1978), vol. II, pp. 692-693: Colonel Jephthah Robins Col. Jephthah Robins has for many years been a most conspicuous and influential member of the bar of Mississippi, and is worthy of mention in this record of the men who have been important factors in the development and cultivation of the resources of the state. He is a native of Pickens district, S.C., born in 1814, and is a son of Albert and Susan (Norton) Robins, natives of South Carolina and Virginia respectively. Albert Robins was a son of Michael Robins, a native North Carolina, and a farmer by occupation. When Albert was a mere lad his father removed to The father was one of a family of eight sons and four daughters. He and all his brothers were soldiers in the Revolutionary war. he lived to the allotted age of man, three score and ten years. He reared a family of four sons and four daughters, all of whom lived to be grown. Albert was next to the youngest child, and was reared in South Carolina, where he resided until . He then came to Fulton, Miss., where he lived at the time of his death, in 1849; he was seventy-eight years of age. His wife died two years later at about the same age. She was a consistent member of the Baptist church. To them were born three children: Levi died in South Carolina; Mrs. Arminda Copeland died in Fulton, Miss.; the Colonel was the second born. He passed his youth in South Carolina, and received his education in the common schools. When he had reached his twentieth year he went to Moulton, Ala., where he clerked in a dry goods store for one year. Thence he went to Fulton, Miss., in 1836, and there he was employed as a clerk for some time. He then engaged in the mercantile trade on his own account, and while in this business, he was elected treasurer of the county of Itawamba. After discharging the duties of this office for one term he was elected probate clerk for two years. he was then made clerk of the chancery court, the district comprising Itawamba, Monroe, Chickasaw and Tishomingo counties. He held this office eight years, and during that time he read law, and was admitted to the bar at Aberdeen, Judge Rogers presiding. He practiced his profession at Fulton until 1852, when he came to Lee county, and located at Guntown. For several years he devoted himself industriously to the law, but of late years, he has paid more attention to agriculture, and has turned his practice over to his son, John Quitman Robins, a partner of the Hon. John M. Allen. Colonel Robins was attorney for the Mobile & Ohio railroad, which position brought him many duties, and he still attends to all legal matters pertaining to the road. He is a man well read in all points of law and every class of literature. He is aman of rare judgement, quick insight and keep observation. He has won a wide reputation and his ability is recognized in all legal circles throughout the South. He was married to Eliza D. Allen, a sister of the Hon. J.M. Allen, a native of Virginia (See sketch of John M. Allen). Nine children were born to this union, one of whom is deceased: Mrs. Belle Gore, Mrs. Molliue Allen, John Q., Jephthah (deceased), William, James, Edwin, Annie and Harrison Lamar. The younger children are now attending some of the best educational institutions of the South, and all have had superior advantages in that line. Colonel Robins served on detached duty during the late Civil war, and was on intimate terms with Jefferson Davis, McNutt, Foote, Prentiss and Poindexter. He was a member of the Independent Order of Odd Fellows at Aberdeen, but the lodge is no longer in existence. He and his wife are members of the Methodist Episcopal church. The Colonel is a selfmade man, and is fully deserving of the honors that have been conferred upon him, and entirely worthy of the high regard in which he is held in the state. John German research Michael Robbins, c1745-c1820, first appears as a second poll with Richard Robbins in a 1761 tax list of Rowan Co., NC, suggesting Richard Robins paid poll tax for himself and Michael Robbins thus giving us our evidence that Michael was Richard's son. Michael was still in Randolph Co., NC, during the 1779 tax assesments, but he appears to have sided with the Loyalists during the Revolutionary War and relocated to SC after that cause was lost [State Records of North Carolina and David Fannin's memoir]. Estate record of Michael Robins: Greenville County, South Carolina, estate papers, Michael Robbins [apt 12 file 18], South Carolina State Archives. "Greenville County estate papers of Michael Robbins [apt 12 file 18] from the SC State Archives. There were only 5 documents: 1) 2 Oct 1820, Citation to the kindred of Micheal Robins dec. to appear at Ordinary Court on the 30th to consider granting letters of administration to Jesse Robbins. 2) 1 Jan 1821, Citation to the kindred of Micheal Robins dec. to appear at Ordinary Court on the 19th to consider granting letters of administration to John Dickerson. 3) 5 Feb 1821 (written over another date that can't be deciphered), Warrant for appraisement; Jesse Robins's and then John Dickerson's names are scratched out, and Michael Robins Junr is written in as the name of the administrator. Named appraiseors are Pascal Rutledge, John H. Joyce, John Machen, and James Creamer[?]. 4) 5 Feb 1821 (written over another date that can't be deciphered), Petition of Michael Robins (written over another name that can't be deciphered) adminsitrator of Michael Robins dec. to sell personal estate "all the distributees of said Estate are of full age", signed Mickel Robins. Sale approved for "25th day of December next". 5) 27 Feb 1821, inventory and appraisement of goods and chattels of the estate of Michael Robins dec." _______ I've documented two of the brothers of Michael Robbins from a 1751 Dan River tax list transcript (this was in Granville Co., NC, but became part of Rowan Co., NC, in 1753). As I interpret it, Richard Robbins is paying taxes for himself as well as a Jacob Robbins and an Isaac Robbins. The undocumented genealogies of the Robbins family place Jacob as a son of Elisha Robbins without any evidence to support the claim. In 1754 a Richard Robbins witnessed the will of Joseph Robbins in Rowan Co. Joseph Robbins was from Frederick Co., VA, 10/ Jonathan Robbins born abt 1746 married Lydia Ledford Sources; Rowan Co Marriages Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim. John Swaim. Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias Robins John Swaim gave concent her father 1769. Rowan Co Tax List 1759 Josiah Robins 1 pole Wm Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 4 poles Wm Robins 1 pole John Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 1 pole 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins 1768 Rowan Co Tax List of William Spurgin Jonathan Robins and Mark Lot 2 poles Matthias Robbins Wm Ledford and sons Thomas, John, Slaves Toney Dinah 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins Rowan Co Vacant land Entries, 1778 1789 8 Sept 1783 William Ledford, Jr. 300 a on both sides of Abbots Crk Adj Phillip Clinard and his own line Including improvement formerly by Jonathan Robins. Willam Ledford WILL Later moved to Randolph County, NC where he left Will written 2 Jun 1796 and probated in 1796 Rowan Co, NC. heirs named - wife: Elizabeth sons: John, Squire, Thomas & William daus: Sarah SPOOLMAN, Phoebe SIMMONS, Lydia ROBBINS, Martha TEAGUE, Ann DAVIS, Rebecca HINKLE & Elizabeth McCurry dau-in-law: Grizella LEDFORD Executor: son John LEDFORD Witnesses: wife Elizabeth LEDFORD, Jacob BROMEL & Daniel CLINARD Buried Abbott Creek Baptist Church cemetery. The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, Rowan Co 1763-1775, by Jo White Linn 20 July 1768 Jury Jacob and Mathias Robins, Jacob son of Richard Robbins 9 May 1770 Jonathan Robbins appointed Constable instead of James Billingsley. 11/ Nancy Ann Robbins born 1747 married William Swaim 27 Apr 1765 Rowan Co NC Jonathan Robbins AND William Ledford bms. Sources; Research of my 5th great- grandparents William Sawim and Nancy Ann Robbins !Rowan Co, NC Marriage Bonds Pt 2 FHLbook William SWAIM & Ann ROBBINS md 27 Apr 1765 Bondsmen: William LEDFORD & Jonathan ROBBINS Witness: William FROHOCK Note: William Swaim Will was written 6 Nov 1811 probated 1813 Stokes Co, NC heirs named - wife: Ann Nancy unmarried sons: Jonathan, Silas & Michael married sons: Jesse & Moses married daus: Elizabeth BODENHAMER, Charity IDOL, Mary CLAMPITT, Nancy WILLIARD, Isabella REICH & Milly KILLIAN grandsons: Elijah SWAIM & William BENNETT Executors: wife Ann Nancy SWAIM & son Jonathan SWAIM The following was written in William and Ann Nancy Swaim's Bible ofStokes Co, NC children: John b.1766 d.1797 m.1785 to Elizabeth Welborn Amelia b.1768 d.1788 m.1786 to John Bennett Elizabeth b.1769 m.1786 to Jonathan Bodenhamer Charity b.1770 d.1859 m.1794 to Michael Idol Jonathan b.1772 d.1844 m.1st to Drucilla Morris m.2nd to Eva(Rominger) Snow Mary b.1774 m.1807 to George Clampitt Nancy b.1776 m.1808 to John Williard Millicent b.1777 m.1806 to Michael Killian Isabella b.1778 d.1841 m.1802 to Christian Reich Jesse b.1780 d.1832 m.1805 to Maria Lanius Moses b.1783 d.1849 m.1806 to Susanna Ledford Silas b.1786 d.1859 m.1818 to Charity Manning Michael b.1790 m.1813 to Anna Rosina Lanius m.2nd to Miriam Herod 12/ Isabel Robbins born 1750 married William Livington 22 Sept 1767, Rowan NC ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:900 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-24 19:13:30 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Message: Shirley, Have you done DNA on your Daniel Robbins line? Just looking at what you have, Iâd take a guess that Daniel A. Robbins Jr. born in NC was the son of Daniel Robbins, Sr. b. abt. 1770 in NC & Massah Swaim b. 7-15-1768. Dan iel & Massah had a son Daniel b. abt. 1793 ? Could be 1802? & a son named Joshua b. abt. 1806 among their other children. Maybe this is a family you could check out if you havenât already looked at them. I hope you are able to find what you need to join the DAR. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:02 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins HI Sara all I know is I had a G Grand father and his name was Daniel A Robbins and he married Anna Day from Va and he died supposedly in 1870 Morgan co Ky but I cannot even prove if he was my grand father but I have all his children death records and census records but Joshua Robbins was my G Grand father and he married Mary Brown and they also lived in Morgan co Ky and he died in the river killed they said in 1870 also in the 1880 cencus Mary was a widow with all the children Emery,Daniel,Rhoda, James Alfred, and more and she ended up in Greenup co Ky living with her son Alfred Robbins I donât have her death date I would love to find that there was a Daniel Robbins and a Daniel Robbins Jr in the clay co Ky census I think was 1810 or 1820 so I think the Jr was my G Grand father that married Anna I would love to find what Daniel I connect to thanks the census said that Daniel came from NC I have my Robbins connected all the way to Joshua Robbins cannot connect him to his father but said he was born in KY shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:901 Sender:Roy Post Date/Time:2014-06-25 02:27:31 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing Message: I am not, at least right now but my cousin Dale already has. -----Original Message----- From: "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" Sent: â6/â21/â2014 11:25 PM To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing Are you planning to do the Big Y test? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:902 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-25 03:03:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Message: Thank you Sara where can I find that info at on daniel you just sent me Yes I done a DNA from my brother he was the first one on my Robbins DNA project I started in 2002 but since my Robbins comes down thur my G Grandmother you see it donât work thanks again SARA SHIRLEY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:903 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-25 07:50:44 Subject:Descendants of Richard Robins son Michael son Jesse Sr.who moved to alabama Message: WE need to find someone from this branch of the family to do DNA testing. If you are out there listening in on the conversation, Please let yourself be known. Or if you are aware of a candidate that would also be helpfu l. If it is a question of cost or privacy please share that with me off list and I will consider financial aide. cgilleece at cfl.rr.com This would be a big leap in knowledge for us all. Carolyn Painter Gilleece>Floyd Painter>Martha Jane Robins Painter>Daniel Robins>Jesse Jr>Jesse Sr.>Michael>Richard ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:904 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-25 09:00:59 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Message: Shirley, What I have on the Daniel & Massah Swaim Robbins family came from the following sources. A Reed-Robbins Family of Southeastern U.S. by Barnum, Bedford, Reed & Swaim, 1996. Will of William Robins Oct. 8, 1786 Randolph Co., NC Dr. R. Lanier Jones file on the descendants of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins & their allied families Nation, Swaim & Vickery sent on June 27, 1997. Robbins of Randolph County, NC 1750-1880 by Sarah Robbins Lehman. John Swaim Bible Record. This is the line of Daniel Robbins b. 1770 Daniel Robins 1627-1714 & Hope Potter. Joseph Robins 1670-1709 & Hannah Pack. Joseph Robins abt. 1700-1756 & Eleanor? William Robins abt. 1732-1787 & Frances Nation. Daniel Robbins abt. 1770-1831 & Massah Swaim. Daniel A. Robbins born abt. 1793 maybe later. There is a very nice photo of Daniel Robbins on an ancestry site by Debby Putnam for The Putnam family. It reads Daniel Robbins father of Joshua Robbins. Iâm not sure if it is supposed to be Daniel b. 1770 or his son Da niel Jr. The site has the same lineage as I list above. It appears this line is fairly well documented down to Daniel A. Robbins. I have credible sources that can be added from Daniel Robins 1627 to William Robins 1732 if you should need them for the DAR. Please let me know. Yes, it Is difficult to use DNA proof if your Robbins comes through the maternal line. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Thank you Sara where can I find that info at on daniel you just sent me Yes I done a DNA from my brother he was the first one on my Robbins DNA project I started in 2002 but since my Robbins comes down thur my G Grandmother you see it donât work thanks again SARA SHIRLEY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:905 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-25 16:29:19 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing Message: Is your cousin Dale a Robbins, and a member of the FTDNA YDNA Robbins group? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:906 Sender:Roy Post Date/Time:2014-06-25 16:32:41 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing Message: Yes. -----Original Message----- From: "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" Sent: â6/â25/â2014 7:29 PM To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing Is your cousin Dale a Robbins, and a member of the FTDNA YDNA Robbins group? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:907 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2014-06-25 16:47:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Message: Massah Swaim is my 1st cousin, a few time removed and have records on her family. Her father John is brother to my 5th great grandfather William Swaim that married Nancy Robbins. It may help if we had a Family Finder DNA Test ...... Kay Bedford one of the authors of the book A Reed-Robbins Family of Southeastern U.S. is also my Scott cousin. We share the same Scott ancestors. Jerry Scott On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:01 AM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Shirley, What I have on the Daniel & Massah Swaim Robbins family came from the following sources. A Reed-Robbins Family of Southeastern U.S. by Barnum, Bedford, Reed & Swaim, 1996. Will of William Robins Oct. 8, 1786 Randolph Co., NC Dr. R. Lanier Jones file on the descendants of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins & their allied families Nation, Swaim & Vickery sent on June 27, 1997. Robbins of Randolph County, NC 1750-1880 by Sarah Robbins Lehman. John Swaim Bible Record. This is the line of Daniel Robbins b. 1770 Daniel Robins 1627-1714 & Hope Potter. Joseph Robins 1670-1709 & Hannah Pack. Joseph Robins abt. 1700-1756 & Eleanor? William Robins abt. 1732-1787 & Frances Nation. Daniel Robbins abt. 1770-1831 & Massah Swaim. Daniel A. Robbins born abt. 1793 maybe later. There is a very nice photo of Daniel Robbins on an ancestry site by Debby Putnam for The Putnam family. It reads Daniel Robbins father of Joshua Robbins. Iâm not sure if it is supposed to be Daniel b. 1770 or his son Da niel Jr. The site has the same lineage as I list above. It appears this line is fairly well documented down to Daniel A. Robbins. I have credible sources that can be added from Daniel Robins 1627 to William Robins 1732 if you should need them for the DAR. Please let me know. Yes, it Is difficult to use DNA proof if your Robbins comes through the maternal line.                                                                                      Sara   From:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins   Thank you Sara where can I find that info at on daniel you just sent me Yes I done a DNA from my brother he was the first one on my Robbins DNA project I started in 2002 but since my Robbins comes down thur my G Grandmother you see it donât work thanks again SARA SHIRLEY  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:908 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-25 17:02:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins [2 Attachments] Message: Jerry do you have where Daniel Robbins married one of the Swaim family where is the site for the Reed-Robbins family at I would like to read some of the info they have thanks Jerry shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:909 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-25 17:07:33 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins [2 Attachments] Message: Jerry, Thatâs interesting about Kay Bedford being your cousin. We were in contact years ago. A really nice lady & good researcher. Somehow the other three authors along we Kay are related to each other. You probably know them or are related to them too. They did an excellent book. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:47 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins [2 Attachments] Massah Swaim is my 1st cousin, a few time removed and have records on her family. Her father John is brother to my 5th great grandfather William Swaim that married Nancy Robbins. It may help if we had a Family Finder DNA Test ...... Kay Bedford one of the authors of the book A Reed-Robbins Family of Southeastern U.S. is also my Scott cousin. We share the same Scott ancestors. Jerry Scott On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:01 AM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Shirley, What I have on the Daniel & Massah Swaim Robbins family came from the following sources. A Reed-Robbins Family of Southeastern U.S. by Barnum, Bedford, Reed & Swaim, 1996. Will of William Robins Oct. 8, 1786 Randolph Co., NC Dr. R. Lanier Jones file on the descendants of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins & their allied families Nation, Swaim & Vickery sent on June 27, 1997. Robbins of Randolph County, NC 1750-1880 by Sarah Robbins Lehman. John Swaim Bible Record. This is the line of Daniel Robbins b. 1770 Daniel Robins 1627-1714 & Hope Potter. Joseph Robins 1670-1709 & Hannah Pack. Joseph Robins abt. 1700-1756 & Eleanor? William Robins abt. 1732-1787 & Frances Nation. Daniel Robbins abt. 1770-1831 & Massah Swaim. Daniel A. Robbins born abt. 1793 maybe later. There is a very nice photo of Daniel Robbins on an ancestry site by Debby Putnam for The Putnam family. It reads Daniel Robbins father of Joshua Robbins. Iâm not sure if it is supposed to be Daniel b. 1770 or his son Da niel Jr. The site has the same lineage as I list above. It appears this line is fairly well documented down to Daniel A. Robbins. I have credible sources that can be added from Daniel Robins 1627 to William Robins 1732 if you should need them for the DAR. Please let me know. Yes, it Is difficult to use DNA proof if your Robbins comes through the maternal line. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Thank you Sara where can I find that info at on daniel you just sent me Yes I done a DNA from my brother he was the first one on my Robbins DNA project I started in 2002 but since my Robbins comes down thur my G Grandmother you see it donât work thanks again SARA SHIRLEY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:910 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2014-06-25 17:20:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Message: Shirley,  ãThis is the children of Massah's  parents Bible records John Swaim Married to Elizabeth Vickrey May the 19th 1767 William Swaim Married to Elisabeth Shearwood December 17th 1789 Massah Swaim Married to Daniel Robins December the 1st 1790 Christopher Swaim Married to Sarah Hines September the 28th 1794 (Note: A later handwriting has marked over 1794 and made it into 1795) Joshua Swaim Maried to Sarah Elliott April the 23rd 1795 (Note: A later handwriting has marked over 1794 and made it into 1795) Elizabeth Swaim Maried George Swearingen July the 30th 1801 Ashly Swaim Maried to Sarah Waldon August the 12th 1802 John Swaim Junr Maried to Mary Laughlen April the 19th 1804 Charity Swaim Maried to James Laughlen January the 16th 1806 Marmaduke Swaim Maried to Jeanet Laurance February the 4th 1806 Michael Swaim Married to Susan Hinshaw December 1st 1811  On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:02 PM, "ladyfan3@frontier.com [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Jerry do you have where Daniel Robbins married one of the Swaim family where is the site for the Reed-Robbins family at I would like to read some of the info they have thanks Jerry shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:911 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-25 19:43:24 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Autosomal Y-DNA testing Message: Fantastic! When will he get his results? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:912 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 02:24:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Message: Kay Reed Bedford and I and did some great research on our Scott line and traced it back to 1672 PG, Maryland Kay's Robins ancestor is Frances Robins born 12 Sept 1760 married William Reed, Sr. Frances was sister to Daniel Robins who married Massah Swaim. Frances was in her father Will William Robins and Frances Nations.. What I believe and I think John Garman believed was  that Richard Robbins was the unborn son of Joseph Robbins and Anna Packe and brother to Joseph that died in Rowan in 1754 as  Richard was a witness to Joseph's Wi ll. We may never find  the sources to prove our theory on Richard but it may come some day who knows. Jerry On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:07 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Jerry, Thatâs interesting about Kay Bedford being your cousin. We were in contact years ago. A really nice lady & good researcher. Somehow the other three authors along we Kay are related to each other. You probably know them or are related to them too. They did an excellent book.                                                                                                 Sara  From:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:47 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins [2 Attachments]   Massah Swaim is my 1st cousin, a few time removed and have records on her family. Her father John is brother to my 5th great grandfather William Swaim that married Nancy Robbins.  It may help if we had a Family Finder DNA Test ...... Kay Bedford one of the authors of the book A Reed-Robbins Family of Southeastern U.S. is also my Scott cousin. We share the same Scott ancestors.  Jerry Scott  On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:01 AM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:   Shirley, What I have on the Daniel & Massah Swaim Robbins family came from the following sources. A Reed-Robbins Family of Southeastern U.S. by Barnum, Bedford, Reed & Swaim, 1996. Will of William Robins Oct. 8, 1786 Randolph Co., NC Dr. R. Lanier Jones file on the descendants of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins & their allied families Nation, Swaim & Vickery sent on June 27, 1997. Robbins of Randolph County, NC 1750-1880 by Sarah Robbins Lehman. John Swaim Bible Record. This is the line of Daniel Robbins b. 1770 Daniel Robins 1627-1714 & Hope Potter. Joseph Robins 1670-1709 & Hannah Pack. Joseph Robins abt. 1700-1756 & Eleanor? William Robins abt. 1732-1787 & Frances Nation. Daniel Robbins abt. 1770-1831 & Massah Swaim. Daniel A. Robbins born abt. 1793 maybe later. There is a very nice photo of Daniel Robbins on an ancestry site by Debby Putnam for The Putnam family. It reads Daniel Robbins father of Joshua Robbins. Iâm not sure if it is supposed to be Daniel b. 1770 or his son Da niel Jr. The site has the same lineage as I list above. It appears this line is fairly well documented down to Daniel A. Robbins. I have credible sources that can be added from Daniel Robins 1627 to William Robins 1732 if you should need them for the DAR. Please let me know. Yes, it Is difficult to use DNA proof if your Robbins comes through the maternal line.                                                                                      Sara   From:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins   Thank you Sara where can I find that info at on daniel you just sent me Yes I done a DNA from my brother he was the first one on my Robbins DNA project I started in 2002 but since my Robbins comes down thur my G Grandmother you see it donât work thanks again SARA SHIRLEY  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:913 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 07:59:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Joshua Message: Ok helpers LOL I need help again here we go with a mystery My grand father was Joshua Robbins est birth date was 1828 Ky he married Mary L Brown cannot find the marriage records but in the 1870 census morgan co Ky no Joshua with Mary just her kids Emery,John,Rhoda,Mary,Alfred and so on 1880 census says widow so I heard he got killed on the Caney river in Ky but the letter I have states the date was 7/3/1886 so that cannot be my Joshua Robbins now I know we had 2 Joshua according to the census in VA there was a Joshua with 2 children Wiley,john W Robbins age 10 which they are related to me I know for sure so he must be the one that died on the river the letter was written to John W Robbins stating our uncle has been murdered signed by Joseph Dyer which he was the son of Jemima Robbins who married France Dyer so he had to be the brother to Daniel Robbins because Daniel was the father of Jemima Robbins who was born in NC or SC donât know which one she married Francis Dyer in floyd co in 1821 so what I am trying to do is connect my Joshua to Daniel I donât know if he is Daniels brother or son they lived mostly in Morgan co ky but they were also in carter co and Breathitt co ky and then Morgan co I know the one that died on the river was Daniel brother so my Joshua must be his son thanks for all your help and I really appreciate any help very much shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:914 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 09:13:11 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins [4 Attachments] Message: Jerry, John seemed more inclined to accept the theory that Richard was the son of Joseph Robins, Sr. especially after the DNA confirmation linking Richard to the Daniel Robins descendants. It seems to me that this theory is th e most logical one. After so many years of watching Johnâs attempt to disprove the Wales theory, it was finally great to see him realize his dream through DNA before his death. Too bad he left us so soon. He is really m issed. I hope you will be able to find the parents of your ancestor Nancy Ann Robbins Swaim & connect her to the correct Robbins line or family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:25 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins [4 Attachments] Kay Reed Bedford and I and did some great research on our Scott line and traced it back to 1672 PG, Maryland Kay's Robins ancestor is Frances Robins born 12 Sept 1760 married William Reed, Sr. Frances was sister to Daniel Robins who married Massah Swaim. Frances was in her father Will William Robins and Frances Nations.. What I believe and I think John Garman believed was that Richard Robbins was the unborn son of Joseph Robbins and Anna Packe and brother to Joseph that died in Rowan in 1754 as Richard was a witness to Joseph's Will. We may never find the sources to prove our theory on Richard but it may come some day who knows. Jerry On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:07 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Jerry, Thatâs interesting about Kay Bedford being your cousin. We were in contact years ago. A really nice lady & good researcher. Somehow the other three authors along we Kay are related to each other. You probably know them or are related to them too. They did an excellent book. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:47 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins [2 Attachments] Massah Swaim is my 1st cousin, a few time removed and have records on her family. Her father John is brother to my 5th great grandfather William Swaim that married Nancy Robbins. It may help if we had a Family Finder DNA Test ...... Kay Bedford one of the authors of the book A Reed-Robbins Family of Southeastern U.S. is also my Scott cousin. We share the same Scott ancestors. Jerry Scott On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:01 AM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Shirley, What I have on the Daniel & Massah Swaim Robbins family came from the following sources. A Reed-Robbins Family of Southeastern U.S. by Barnum, Bedford, Reed & Swaim, 1996. Will of William Robins Oct. 8, 1786 Randolph Co., NC Dr. R. Lanier Jones file on the descendants of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins & their allied families Nation, Swaim & Vickery sent on June 27, 1997. Robbins of Randolph County, NC 1750-1880 by Sarah Robbins Lehman. John Swaim Bible Record. This is the line of Daniel Robbins b. 1770 Daniel Robins 1627-1714 & Hope Potter. Joseph Robins 1670-1709 & Hannah Pack. Joseph Robins abt. 1700-1756 & Eleanor? William Robins abt. 1732-1787 & Frances Nation. Daniel Robbins abt. 1770-1831 & Massah Swaim. Daniel A. Robbins born abt. 1793 maybe later. There is a very nice photo of Daniel Robbins on an ancestry site by Debby Putnam for The Putnam family. It reads Daniel Robbins father of Joshua Robbins. Iâm not sure if it is supposed to be Daniel b. 1770 or his son Da niel Jr. The site has the same lineage as I list above. It appears this line is fairly well documented down to Daniel A. Robbins. I have credible sources that can be added from Daniel Robins 1627 to William Robins 1732 if you should need them for the DAR. Please let me know. Yes, it Is difficult to use DNA proof if your Robbins comes through the maternal line. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Thank you Sara where can I find that info at on daniel you just sent me Yes I done a DNA from my brother he was the first one on my Robbins DNA project I started in 2002 but since my Robbins comes down thur my G Grandmother you see it donât work thanks again SARA SHIRLEY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:915 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 09:13:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA Message: Is the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book still available? Chris -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 6/22/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 22, 2014, 7:34 PM For new members who aren't aware of it. The funds from the sale of the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book were used to sponsor FTDNA tests for members who were unable to pay the fee or only pay part of the fee. Possibly someone could think of another project in order to collect enough money to sponsor some candidates. Just a thought. On another topic. Genealogy News published an article today about Ancestry being hacked on June 18th. Does anyone know what hackers are looking for & how do they use the information from a site like Ancestry? Although Ancestry says no information was lost.                                 Sara #yiv4569460872 #yiv4569460872 -- #yiv4569460872ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv4569460872 #yiv4569460872ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv4569460872 #yiv4569460872ygrp-mkp #yiv4569460872hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv4569460872 #yiv4569460872ygrp-mkp #yiv4569460872ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv4569460872 #yiv4569460872ygrp-mkp .yiv4569460872ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv4569460872 #yiv4569460872ygrp-mkp .yiv4569460872ad p { margin:0;} #yiv4569460872 #yiv4569460872ygrp-mkp .yiv4569460872ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv4569460872 #yiv4569460872ygrp-sponsor #yiv4569460872ygrp-lc { font-family:Arial;} #yiv4569460872 #yiv4569460872ygrp-sponsor #yiv4569460872ygrp-lc #yiv4569460872hd { margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #yiv4569460872 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Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:14 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA Is the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book still available? Chris -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 6/22/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 22, 2014, 7:34 PM For new members who aren't aware of it. The funds from the sale of the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book were used to sponsor FTDNA tests for members who were unable to pay the fee or only pay part of the fee. Possibly someone could think of another project in order to collect enough money to sponsor some candidates. Just a thought. On another topic. Genealogy News published an article today about Ancestry being hacked on June 18th. Does anyone know what hackers are looking for & how do they use the information from a site like Ancestry? Although Ancestry says no information was lost. 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There are many, many errors in her book 'Back Creek'. John German said that the only sons of Richard that he could id from tax lists were Richard, Isaac, & Jacob. Said that a grandson of Michael reported that Michael was one of eight brothers. Nothing from John regarding any daughters. As to DNA testing, don't know any other Robbins in Isaac's line. My cousin Phil died years ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on line, but don't know if they tested. John wauld know, but he is no longer with us. Sorry I can't be of more help. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM Chris,A couple of questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or sources that links these children to Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? Do you know if any descendant/descendants of Richard's other sons, Richard, Jr., James, John, & Michael have tested?                                Thanks,                                    Sara #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495 -- #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp #yiv9001177495hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp #yiv9001177495ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp .yiv9001177495ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp .yiv9001177495ad p { margin:0;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp .yiv9001177495ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-sponsor #yiv9001177495ygrp-lc { font-family:Arial;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-sponsor #yiv9001177495ygrp-lc 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you have as Nancy Swaim? because my Daniel wife name was Nancy thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:919 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 10:18:06 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Message: Shirley, Jerry may be able to help you with the Swaim line. This is a direct family for him & probably has better documentation on it. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:43 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Sara was that the name of Daniel wife Nancy is what you have as Nancy Swaim? because my Daniel wife name was Nancy thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:920 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 10:51:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Message: HI Jerry can you help me with Daniel wife was her name Nancy Swaim? thanks shirley Shirley, Jerry may be able to help you with the Swaim line. This is a direct family for him & probably has better documentation on it. Sara . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:921 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 11:21:14 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Message: Chris, Thanks for your input. It appears from what you tell us that you are the only descendant of the Richard Robins b. abt. 1709 line to have any real proof they belong to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family. There may be an other man out there who tested because knowing John I suspect he would wanted to have more than one test. That is if he was able to get another one. Itâs difficult to find candidates & when we find them & they are willi ng they may have no interest in genealogy at all. Then the contact is lost when the party who sponsored the test gone. I do know from my discussions with John that he had his father-in-law test before Mr. Robbins passed away. John was related by marriage & not biologically to the Daniel Robins family. He was very involved with the line of Joseph Robins, Jr & Richard Robins of NC. I believe Johnâs wife was connected to the Joseph Robin s Jr. line not Richard. Maybe someone else here knows? Not really sure, will go back through my paper files. John was working on a paper trail for the descendants of Levi Robbins of Overton, TN 1806-1856. He told me he would sent me a copy when completed. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Sara, Hate to say it but 'cousin' Sarah Lehman relyed much on hearsay and family sources. There are many, many errors in her book 'Back Creek'. John German said that the only sons of Richard that he could id from tax lists we re Richard, Isaac, & Jacob. Said that a grandson of Michael reported that Michael was one of eight brothers. Nothing from John regarding any daughters. As to DNA testing, don't know any other Robbins in Isaac's line. My cousin Phil died years ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on line, but don't know if they tested. John wauld know, but he is no longer with us. Sorry I can't be of more help. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM Chris,A couple of questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or sources that links these children to Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? Do you know if any descendant/descendants of Richard's other sons, Richard, Jr., James, John, & Michael have tested? 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You are Isaac son of Richardâs descendant & there is a man who is from Richardâs the son Jacob. Kit # 67637. Like you, he is a match to the Daniel Robins d escendants. It figures John did more than one test. So none of the other possible Richard sons descendants have tested. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Sara, Hate to say it but 'cousin' Sarah Lehman relyed much on hearsay and family sources. There are many, many errors in her book 'Back Creek'. John German said that the only sons of Richard that he could id from tax lists we re Richard, Isaac, & Jacob. Said that a grandson of Michael reported that Michael was one of eight brothers. Nothing from John regarding any daughters. As to DNA testing, don't know any other Robbins in Isaac's line. My cousin Phil died years ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on line, but don't know if they tested. John wauld know, but he is no longer with us. Sorry I can't be of more help. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM Chris,A couple of questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or sources that links these children to Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? Do you know if any descendant/descendants of Richard's other sons, Richard, Jr., James, John, & Michael have tested? 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This what I have from John German: 1. William b 1731 was son of Joseph. He married Elizabeth, last name unknown. 2. Elisha was real, but parents, birth date, wife unknown. 3. Jacob. I have same info. 4. Isaac. I have same info. 5. Mathias. Not in my data base. 6. James b abt 1735, parents unknown; md Martha Brothers 7. John b 1741 was son of Joseph 8. Richard - I have same info. 9. Michael was a Tory. I have undocumented info that says wife was Catherine Rae. I have not been able to fine proof. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6/24/14, JERRY SCOTT jerryscott572@sbcglobal.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 4:36 PM I have done some research on Richard Robbins of Rowan Co NC and believe these are his issue;Some are proven per tax and land deeds others without needed Sources. Some of this research was done by John Garman. These records are Rowan Co North Carolina. More research is needed. 1/ William Robbins born 1731 married Elizabeth Bryant Sources; ã1810 Shelby Co Kentucky, Joseph, Richard, and Nathaniel Robbins 1820 Scott Co Indiana Census, Jacob, Richard, Aron, Nathan, Joseph 1830 Scott Co Indiana Census Valentine, John, Richard Nathaniel, Jacob Misc Land Office Lord Granville Richard Robins plat dated 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan Co. on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deed River on both sides of the branch of the said creek CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins WarrentDated 1 Dec 1753 The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann.4799- John Nation 23 May 1758 401 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of Polecat Creek, joining Harmon Cox Bullars line and both sides of the middle fork of the said Creek s/ John Nation Wits; W.Churton, John Long, entered 21 Feb 1757 surveyed 31 Aug 1757 SCC; Christopher Nation, William Robins, W Churton Survr Plat reads a tract of land for Capt Nation. 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W. Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaacs. The Granville District of NC 1748-1763Abstracts of Land Grants Vol 3 by Margret M. Hofmann Marmaduke Vickery 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of deep river joining a bent of yer river /s/ mark W. Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 1757 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins. W.Churton, Survr Land Grants: Rabdolph NC14 February 1783, survey of 132 acres on Uwarie River for William Robbins. Chain carriers: James Robbins, George Alexander [Land Grants, Randolph Co., file # 58A, NC Sec. of State Records, NC State Archives.] 2/ Elisha Robbins born abt 1732  married Unk. Wife no known issue;Sources; These are the only records of Elisha Robbins in Early Rowan with Richard Robbins He was not the proven father of any one. He may have gone to parts unknown or died. However he was the corrrect age to have married Bethiah Nation but no proof. .Elisha was still living in 1759 but disappears from records. The deeds below are the last time I found Elisha in Rowan Co records Miscellaneous Land office payers Lord Granville, NC State Archives Elisha Robins dated 1 Dec 1753 to James Carter to survey 640 acres in Rowan on Muddy Creek entering into deep river and on the month of second branch entered into the sd Creek s/ Fras Corbin, Entered 7 Feb 1752. Back of Document reads Executed Elisha Robins The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4943-Marmaduke Vickry 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of the deep River joining a bent of ye River s/ mark Wits; W Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 1757 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins, W. Churton survr. 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W. Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaacs. 3/ Jacob Robbins born abt 1734 married Mary Wells??? no Source for maiden nameSources; Granville County North Carolina Tax List on Dan River 1751 Richard, Isaac, Jacob-3 sons of Richard Isaac and Jacob at least 16 years old births 1735 Richard Robbins Jacob Robbins Isaac Robbins 3 Abstracts of The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions Rowan NC 1763-1774 by Jo White Linn 20 July 1768 Anthory White vs Peter Johnson' ;Jury ;Jacob and Mathias,Robbins , John Bryant William Satterwhite and Comp/ vs Thomas Bryant; Jury Jacob and Mathias Robbins, John Bryant 1830 Decatur Co Indiana 383 764 3 Robbens Jacob pgs-377-to-384.txt 385 768 16 Robbens John pgs-385-to-393.txt 401 800 24 Robbens Marmeduke pgs-395-to-401.txt 390 778 28 Robbens Mathew pgs-385-to-393.txt 384 766 23 Robbens William pgs-377-to-384.txt 406 810 14 Robbens William Jr pgs-402-to-410.txt This marriage bond places Jacob in Franklin Co and proves his wife as Mary They were married by Reverend Randolph Hall. Note' found filed with their marriage bond: "To the clerk of Franklin County -- Whereas Valentine Chastine and Mary Robbins had agreed to join hands in matreymony (sic) by aforsaid consent of each party." This was signed by William Chastine and Sary and Jacob Robbins and Mary. The wittnesses were William and Absalum Robins 4/ Isaac Robbins born abt 1736 married Ann Bryant Sources; 1759 Tax List Rowan Co., NC Josiah Robins 1 pole William 1 pole, Richard 4 pole, Wm I pole, Matthew(Mathias) 1 pole John 1 pole Richard Robbins 1 pole 1761 Rowan Co NC Tax List Mathias Robins 1 pole, Isaac Robins 1 pole Richard Robins Michael Robbins 2 poles Christopher Nation 1 pole ã The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4930- William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 562 acres in Rowan in the Parish of St Luke on the south branch of Muddy Creek which is the water of Deep river joining a branch and both sides of ye main Branch s/ mark Wits; Jas Watson, George Herndon, examined by W. Churton and Wm Matthews surveyed 25 Aug 1756 SCC; Isaac Robins, Michal Robbins 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W. Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaac. Randolh Co North Carolina Land Warrents 1778-1948 Isaac Robbins Sr., 100 acres warrent # 119 issued Mar 29, 1797by Emaley Parke to Isaac Robins for 100 acres on waters of Caraway Creek joins his own line on E. And West runs S E and entered Aug 9, 1796 #136 Dec 2 1796 Isaac Robins paid fo.50 for 100 acres in entry #119. John Haywood, Paid Treasurer 100 acres surveyed Mar31, 1797 by William Love, Ezekiel Robbins and Richard Robbins, chain carrier Will of Isaac Robbins 27 December 1807 Randolph Co., NC, will book 3, page 96(North Carolina State Archives, microfilm C.081.80001)In the name of God Amen, I Isaac Robbins of the County of Randolph and State of North Carolina being of sound and perfect mind &memory do this 27th day of December in the year of our Lord 1807, make andpublish this my last will & testament in manner and form following that is to say I give to my beloved wife all the house hold furniture and all the other property belonging to me with the dwellinghouse thatI now live in while she is my Widow except my land which I giveto my son Daniel Robbins and all the property that I have gave to my beloved wife if she should marry shall be took and divided amongst mychildren or at her death namely Isaac, John, Ezekiel, Richard, Thomas,Anner, Elizabeth, Ann, Amy & Keziah Robbins and I reserve my mare whileI live to myself And I hereby make and ordain my son Ezekiel Robbins Executor of this my last will & testament in witness whereof I the saidIsaac Robbins have to this my last will & testament set my hand andseal the day that above written. Signed, sealed published and hisdelivered in presence of us Isaac + RobbinsTest Lewis Jones mark Randolph County May Term 1808 The above last will & testament of Isaac Robbins Decd was duly proven in open Court by Lewis Jones and ordered to be recorded.Test Jesse Harper CC[Transcribed by John L. German, C.G. on 31 July 1999.] Change Date: 12 APR 2008 Wife Ann Bryant John Bryant Will* He left a will on 15 March 1790 at Randolph, North Carolina; Proven in court by David Smith, December Term 1791. Heirs: Granddaughters: Mary and Sarah BryantGrandson: Alexander BryantBrother: Peter Bryant, executorDaughters: Elenor Curtis, Ann Robbins, Mary LowCo-Executor: Alexander SmithWitnesses: Wm. Millikin, David Smith.1 Death* He died circa December 1791 at Randolph, North Carolina. 5/ Mathias Robbins born abt 1738 married unk. wIfeSources; 6/ James Robbins born 1740  married Martha Beesley ? Sources; some by John Garman These census records are probably of this James Robbins: 1790 Randolph Co., NC, p. 101: Robbins, James 3 2 2 0 0 1800 Randolph Co., NC, p. 337: James Robbins 10111-10001-00 1810 Randolph Co., NC, p. 180: James Robins Sr. 01001-00011-00 John German Research On this site, I offer a substantial revision of the identity of James Robbins of Randolph Co., NC. My study has found that James Robbins, erroneously treated as one man in many undocumented genealogies, is in fact at least two men1) James Robbins, identified in some records as James Robbins Sr., was probably born ca 1738, and was still living in Randolph Co., NC, in 1810.2) James Robbins, will dated 1799 in Randolph Co., NC, was married to Elizabeth Yount, and survived by four (and only four!) children.Randolph Co., NC, deeds: 26 September 1787, Joseph Robins to Thomas Bulla[?], 150 acres on Back Creek. Wit.: James Robins, Thos. Lowe (vol. 3, p. 124). 9 February 1788, Joseph (X) Robins Senr. to Joseph Robins Jur., 200 acres on Hannah's Creek. Wit.: Joseph Wade, James Robins (volo. 3, p. 306). 20 February 1788, Joseph (X) Robins Senr. to Joseph Robins Jur.., 100 acres on Hannah's Creek. Wit.: James Robins, Joseph Wade (vol. 3, p. 305). Land Grants: 14 February 1783, survey of 132 acres on Uwarie River for William Robbins. Chain carriers: James Robbins, Geroge Alexander [Land Grants, Randolph Co., file # 58A, NC Sec. of State Records, NC State Archives.] 8 August 1796, survey of 50 acres on Back Creek for Ezekiel Robins. Chain carriers: James Robins Sr., William Robins [Land Grants, Randolph Co., file # 1000, NC Sec. of State Records, NC State Archives.] , vol 11, pp 32-33: John German Research; In 1790, James Robbins purchased what may have been the only land he ever owned from the estate of Joseph Robbins:Randolph Co. deeds, vol 11, pp 32-33:This Indenture Made the 26th Day of May in the Year of Our Lord 1790 Between Joseph Robins Jur [junior] & Alse Robins Executrix of Joseph Robins Deseased of the County of Randolph & State of No Carolina of the one part & James Robins of the other part of the County & State afsd. Witness that the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins for & in consideration of the Sum of Forty pounds to them in hand paid the Sd. Joseph Robins & Alse Robins by the Sd. James Robins Before the Execution here of the Recept Where of the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins Doeth hereby acknowledge hereof G________ & aquit the Sd James Robins, his Heirs Exer. Adms. & Assigns [,] they the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins by these presents hath Granted Bargained & Sold a____ assignd. Released & Confirmed & ___ ___ unto the Sd. James Robins his hiers & assigns forever all that piece or parcel of land lying & being this County on the Waters of Caraway Beginning at a White Oak on the afsd. Joseph Robins Desd. former Survey thence Wt. 46 Po. to a Hickory thence No. 147 Po. to a post oak thence Et. 185 Po. to a Black oak thence No.[this is wrong, the direction is So.] 65 Po. a post oak his old line thence Wt. 139 Po. With his old lines to his corner hickory thence So. With sd. line 82 po. to the place of Beginning - Containing one Hundred acres of land be the same more or less Together with all Improvements ____ _____ H_______ & appurtenances to the Sd. 100 acres of land Belonging & any wise apputaining & _____ the Estate ____ title ____ _____ ____ & _____ Whatever of in & to the Sd. Parcil of Land & _____ & every part thereof with the appurtenances thereunto appurtaining To have & to hold to the Sd. James Robins his hiers & assings forever to ___ ____ _____ _____ ____ _____ of forever & the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins Doeth hereby Grant th__ ___ ____ ____ ____ their Hiers & ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ unto the Sd. James Robins his hiers & assigns forever ____ them the Sd. Joseph & Alse Robins & their Heirs & all & every other ____ ____ by from or ____ ____ In Witness Whereof we have hereunto Set our hands & affuxed our Seals this Day & year above Written State No Carolina} Randolph County } May Sessions 1806 The Execution of the above Deed was Duly acknowledged in open Court by Joseph Robins & Ordered to be Registered - JHarper, Clk 7/ John Robbins born 1741 married Elizabeth Curtis Revolutionary War Veteran: His headstone is in Locust Grove M.E. Cemetery, on the West Side of Centerville/Abington Pike, near Abington, IN. There is a D.A.R. marker indicating the following: Revolutionary Soldier, John Robbins, 1775-1783, Placed by Richmond Indiana Chapter, D.A.R.- National Old Trails Chapter D.A.R. Headstone inscription-In the memory of John Robbins who departed his life May 8, 1834 in the 93d year of his age. Wounded in the Battle of Guilford Court House- "He came to Indiana and was a resident of Wayne county at the time of his death, which occurred about 1837, at the age of ninety-three." (*His age was previously indicated to be 100 years old, at time of death) Wayne Co Indiana John Robbins b 1741 North Carolina Services History of Wayne Co Published in 1884 pg 358 says he was a Soldier of the Rev. War Died 1834 Wayne Co Ind Methedoist Cemetery called Locust Grove. near Abington Married Sarah issue; Moses b/ 1765 d/ 1850 8/ Richard Robbins, Jr married Margaret Anderson 26 Mar 1765, Christopher Nation, bmSources;Rowan Co. NC Marriages 1753-1868 Richard Robins and Margaret Anderson 26 March 1765 Christopher Nation bondsman John Frohock CC 11Feb 1769 Richard Robins, Sr. to Richard Robins, Jr. for f40 an improvement on Abbotts Creek called Hunts Fork and livestock Christopher Nation Prvd. May Court 1769. 9/ Michael Robbins born abt 1745 married ink wife Sources; same by John Garman ã1790 census Greenville Dist., SC: p. 70 Isaac Robins 1 1 1 0 0 p. 70 Michal Robins 4 1 5 0 0 1800 census Pendleton Dist., SC: p. 33 William Robinson 00001-00010-1,10 p. 34 Levi Robins 10210-20210-00 p. 36 Joshua Robins 20010-22010-00 1800 census Greenville Dist., SC p. 279 Christopher Robins 01101-31301-00 p. 281 Michal Robins 00301-01101-00 p. 282 Jessee Robbins 01010-20200-00 The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4930- William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 562 acres in Rowan in the Parish of St Luke on the south branch of Muddy Creek which is the water of Deep river joining a branch and both sides of ye main Branch s/ mark Wits; Jas Watson, George Herndon, examined by W. Churton and Wm Matthews surveyed 25 Aug 1756 SCC; Isaac Robins, Michal Robbins John German research; BIOGRAPHICAL AND HISTORICAL MEMOIRS OF MISSISSIPPI (Chicago: Goodspeed Pub. Co., 1891 / Spartanburg, SC: The Reprint Co., 1978), vol. II, pp. 692-693: Colonel Jephthah Robins Col. Jephthah Robins has for many years been a most conspicuous and influential member of the bar of Mississippi, and is worthy of mention in this record of the men who have been important factors in the development and cultivation of the resources of the state. He is a native of Pickens district, S.C., born in 1814, and is a son of Albert and Susan (Norton) Robins, natives of South Carolina and Virginia respectively. Albert Robins was a son of Michael Robins, a native North Carolina, and a farmer by occupation. When Albert was a mere lad his father removed to The father was one of a family of eight sons and four daughters. He and all his brothers were soldiers in the Revolutionary war. he lived to the allotted age of man, three score and ten years. He reared a family of four sons and four daughters, all of whom lived to be grown. Albert was next to the youngest child, and was reared in South Carolina, where he resided until . He then came to Fulton, Miss., where he lived at the time of his death, in 1849; he was seventy-eight years of age. His wife died two years later at about the same age. She was a consistent member of the Baptist church. To them were born three children: Levi died in South Carolina; Mrs. Arminda Copeland died in Fulton, Miss.; the Colonel was the second born. He passed his youth in South Carolina, and received his education in the common schools. When he had reached his twentieth year he went to Moulton, Ala., where he clerked in a dry goods store for one year. Thence he went to Fulton, Miss., in 1836, and there he was employed as a clerk for some time. He then engaged in the mercantile trade on his own account, and while in this business, he was elected treasurer of the county of Itawamba. After discharging the duties of this office for one term he was elected probate clerk for two years. he was then made clerk of the chancery court, the district comprising Itawamba, Monroe, Chickasaw and Tishomingo counties. He held this office eight years, and during that time he read law, and was admitted to the bar at Aberdeen, Judge Rogers presiding. He practiced his profession at Fulton until 1852, when he came to Lee county, and located at Guntown. For several years he devoted himself industriously to the law, but of late years, he has paid more attention to agriculture, and has turned his practice over to his son, John Quitman Robins, a partner of the Hon. John M. Allen. Colonel Robins was attorney for the Mobile & Ohio railroad, which position brought him many duties, and he still attends to all legal matters pertaining to the road. He is a man well read in all points of law and every class of literature. He is aman of rare judgement, quick insight and keep observation. He has won a wide reputation and his ability is recognized in all legal circles throughout the South. He was married to Eliza D. Allen, a sister of the Hon. J.M. Allen, a native of Virginia (See sketch of John M. Allen). Nine children were born to this union, one of whom is deceased: Mrs. Belle Gore, Mrs. Molliue Allen, John Q., Jephthah (deceased), William, James, Edwin, Annie and Harrison Lamar. The younger children are now attending some of the best educational institutions of the South, and all have had superior advantages in that line. Colonel Robins served on detached duty during the late Civil war, and was on intimate terms with Jefferson Davis, McNutt, Foote, Prentiss and Poindexter. He was a member of the Independent Order of Odd Fellows at Aberdeen, but the lodge is no longer in existence. He and his wife are members of the Methodist Episcopal church. The Colonel is a selfmade man, and is fully deserving of the honors that have been conferred upon him, and entirely worthy of the high regard in which he is held in the state.John German research Michael Robbins, c1745-c1820, first appears as a second poll with Richard Robbins in a 1761 tax list of Rowan Co., NC, suggesting Richard Robins paid poll tax for himself and Michael Robbins thus giving us our evidence that Michael was Richard's son. Michael was still in Randolph Co., NC, during the 1779 tax assesments, but he appears to have sided with the Loyalists during the Revolutionary War and relocated to SC after that cause was lost [State Records of North Carolina and David Fannin's memoir]. Estate record of Michael Robins: Greenville County, South Carolina, estate papers, Michael Robbins [apt 12 file 18], South Carolina State Archives. "Greenville County estate papers of Michael Robbins [apt 12 file 18] from the SC State Archives. There were only 5 documents: 1) 2 Oct 1820, Citation to the kindred of Micheal Robins dec. to appear at Ordinary Court on the 30th to consider granting letters of administration to Jesse Robbins. 2) 1 Jan 1821, Citation to the kindred of Micheal Robins dec. to appear at Ordinary Court on the 19th to consider granting letters of administration to John Dickerson. 3) 5 Feb 1821 (written over another date that can't be deciphered), Warrant for appraisement; Jesse Robins's and then John Dickerson's names are scratched out, and Michael Robins Junr is written in as the name of the administrator. Named appraiseors are Pascal Rutledge, John H. Joyce, John Machen, and James Creamer[?]. 4) 5 Feb 1821 (written over another date that can't be deciphered), Petition of Michael Robins (written over another name that can't be deciphered) adminsitrator of Michael Robins dec. to sell personal estate "all the distributees of said Estate are of full age", signed Mickel Robins. Sale approved for "25th day of December next". 5) 27 Feb 1821, inventory and appraisement of goods and chattels of the estate of Michael Robins dec." _______ I've documented two of the brothers of Michael Robbins from a 1751 Dan River tax list transcript (this was in Granville Co., NC, but became part of Rowan Co., NC, in 1753). As I interpret it, Richard Robbins is paying taxes for himself as well as a Jacob Robbins and an Isaac Robbins. The undocumented genealogies of the Robbins family place Jacob as a son of Elisha Robbins without any evidence to support the claim. In 1754 a Richard Robbins witnessed the will of Joseph Robbins in Rowan Co. Joseph Robbins was from Frederick Co., VA, 10/ Jonathan Robbins born abt 1746 married Lydia Ledford Sources; Rowan Co Marriages Abraham Inniard and Rachel Swaim. John Swaim. Wits; Jonathan Robins, Mathias RobinsJohn Swaim gave concent her father 1769. Rowan Co Tax List 1759 Josiah Robins 1 pole Wm Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 4 poles Wm Robins 1 pole John Robins 1 pole Richard Robins 1 pole 1761 Rowan Co Tax List, Mathias Robbins 1768 Rowan Co Tax List of William Spurgin Jonathan Robins and Mark Lot 2 poles Matthias Robbins Wm Ledford and sons Thomas, John, Slaves Toney Dinah 1770 Rowan Co Tax List Jonathan and Mathias Robbins 1788 Tax list 247 acres Jonathan Robbins Rowan Co Vacant land Entries, 1778 1789 8 Sept 1783 William Ledford, Jr. 300 a on both sides of Abbots Crk Adj Phillip Clinard and his own lineIncluding improvement formerly by Jonathan Robins. Willam Ledford WILLLater moved to Randolph County, NC where he left Will written 2 Jun 1796 and probated in 1796 Rowan Co, NC. heirs named - wife: Elizabeth sons: John, Squire, Thomas & William daus: Sarah SPOOLMAN, Phoebe SIMMONS, Lydia ROBBINS, Martha TEAGUE, Ann DAVIS, Rebecca HINKLE & Elizabeth McCurry dau-in-law: Grizella LEDFORD Executor: son John LEDFORD Witnesses: wife Elizabeth LEDFORD, Jacob BROMEL & Daniel CLINARD Buried Abbott Creek Baptist Church cemetery. The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, Rowan Co 1763-1775, by Jo White Linn 20 July 1768 Jury Jacob and Mathias Robins, Jacob son of Richard Robbins 9 May 1770 Jonathan Robbins appointed Constable instead of James Billingsley. 11/ Nancy Ann Robbins born 1747 married William Swaim 27 Apr 1765 Rowan Co NC Jonathan Robbins AND William Ledford bms.Sources; Research of my 5th great- grandparents William Sawim and Nancy Ann Robbins !Rowan Co, NC Marriage Bonds Pt 2 FHLbook William SWAIM & Ann ROBBINS md 27 Apr 1765 Bondsmen: William LEDFORD & Jonathan ROBBINS Witness: William FROHOCK Note: William Swaim Will was written 6 Nov 1811 probated 1813 Stokes Co, NC heirs named - wife: Ann Nancy unmarried sons: Jonathan, Silas & Michael married sons: Jesse & Moses married daus: Elizabeth BODENHAMER, Charity IDOL, Mary CLAMPITT, Nancy WILLIARD, Isabella REICH & Milly KILLIAN grandsons: Elijah SWAIM & William BENNETT Executors: wife Ann Nancy SWAIM & son Jonathan SWAIM The following 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Not sure how good the source is however. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6/26/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@...t [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 26, 2014, 12:13 PM  Jerry,John seemed more inclined to accept the theory that Richard was the son of Joseph Robins, Sr. especially after the DNA confirmation linking Richard to the Daniel Robins descendants. It seems to me that this theory is the most logical one. After so many years of watching Johnâs attempt to disprove the Wales theory, it was finally great to see him realize his dream through DNA before his death. Too bad he left us so soon. He is really missed.I hope you will be able to find the parents of your ancestor Nancy Ann Robbins Swaim & connect her to the correct Robbins line or family.                                                                                       Sara  From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:25 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins [4 Attachments]   Kay Reed Bedford and I and did some great research on our Scott line and traced it back to 1672 PG, Maryland  Kay's Robins ancestor is Frances Robins born 12 Sept 1760 married William Reed, Sr. Frances was sister to Daniel Robins who married Massah Swaim. Frances was in her father Will William Robins and Frances Nations..  What I believe and I think John Garman believed was  that Richard Robbins was the unborn son of Joseph Robbins and Anna Packe and brother to Joseph that died in Rowan in 1754 as  Richard was a witness to Joseph's Will. We may never find  the sources to prove our theory on Richard but it may come some day who knows.  Jerry    On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:07 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:   Jerry,Thatâs interesting about Kay Bedford being your cousin. We were in contact years ago. A really nice lady & good researcher. Somehow the other three authors along we Kay are related to each other. You probably know them or are related to them too. They did an excellent book.                                                                                                Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:47 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins [2 Attachments]  Massah Swaim is my 1st cousin, a few time removed and have records on her family. Her father John is brother to my 5th great grandfather William Swaim that married Nancy Robbins. It may help if we had a Family Finder DNA Test ......Kay Bedford one of the authors of the book A Reed-Robbins Family of Southeastern U.S. is also my Scott cousin. We share the same Scott ancestors. Jerry Scott On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:01 AM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Shirley,What I have on the Daniel & Massah Swaim Robbins family came from the following sources.A Reed-Robbins Family of Southeastern U.S. by Barnum, Bedford, Reed & Swaim, 1996.Will of William Robins Oct. 8, 1786 Randolph Co., NC Dr. R. Lanier Jones file on the descendants of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins & their allied families Nation, Swaim & Vickery sent on June 27, 1997.Robbins of Randolph County, NC 1750-1880 by Sarah Robbins Lehman.John Swaim Bible Record.This is the line of Daniel Robbins b. 1770 Daniel Robins 1627-1714 & Hope Potter.Joseph Robins 1670-1709 & Hannah Pack.Joseph Robins abt. 1700-1756 & Eleanor?William Robins abt. 1732-1787 & Frances Nation.Daniel Robbins abt. 1770-1831 & Massah Swaim. Daniel A. Robbins born abt. 1793 maybe later.There is a very nice photo of Daniel Robbins on an ancestry site by Debby Putnam for The Putnam family. It reads Daniel Robbins father of Joshua Robbins. Iâm not sure if it is supposed to be Daniel b. 1770 or his son Daniel Jr. The site has the same lineage as I list above.It appears this line is fairly well documented down to Daniel A. Robbins. I have credible sources that can be added from Daniel Robins 1627 to William Robins 1732 if you should need them for the DAR. Please let me know.Yes, it Is difficult to use DNA proof if your Robbins comes through the maternal line.                                                                                     Sara  From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins  Thank you Sara where can I find that info at on daniel you just sent me Yes I done a DNA from my brother he was the first one on my Robbins DNA project I started in 2002 but since my Robbins comesdown thur my G Grandmother you see it donât work thanks again SARASHIRLEY #yiv1208835401 #yiv1208835401 -- #yiv1208835401ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv1208835401 #yiv1208835401ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv1208835401 #yiv1208835401ygrp-mkp #yiv1208835401hd { 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#yiv1208835401ygrp-text { font-family:Georgia;} #yiv1208835401 #yiv1208835401ygrp-text p { margin:0 0 1em 0;} #yiv1208835401 #yiv1208835401ygrp-text tt { font-size:120%;} #yiv1208835401 #yiv1208835401ygrp-vital ul li:last-child { border-right:none !important; } #yiv1208835401 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:925 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 12:48:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] help with Daniel Robbins Message: thank you chris shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:926 Sender:Mary Starkey Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 13:08:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Message: John German helped with a DNA test for my father, James Robbins, born in Bell County, Ky in 1925. We have traced our line back to Richard Robbins from NC. The DNA test proved my father was a descendent of Daniel Robins of New Jersey. I can't tell you the line at this time but if it will help anyone I'll get it. My father is still with us but very feeble but if we need to obtain a more extensive DNA test, I will get it down. Mary Robbins Starkey Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:21 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > Chris, > > > > Thanks for your input. It appears from what you tell us that you are the only descendant of the Richard Robins b. abt. 1709 line to have any real proof they belong to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family. There may be another man out there who tested because knowing John I suspect he would wanted to have more than one test. That is if he was able to get another one. Itâs difficult to find candidates & when we find them & they are wil ling they may have no interest in genealogy at all. Then the contact is lost when the party who sponsored the test gone. I do know from my discussions with John that he had his father-in-law test before Mr. Robbins pass ed away. John was related by marriage & not biologically to the Daniel Robins family. He was very involved with the line of Joseph Robins, Jr & Richard Robins of NC. I believe Johnâs wife was connected to the Joseph Rob ins Jr. line not Richard. Maybe someone else here knows? Not really sure, will go back through my paper files. John was working on a paper trail for the descendants of Levi Robbins of Overton, TN 1806-1856. He told me h e would sent me a copy when completed. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:41 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 > > > > > > Sara, > > Hate to say it but 'cousin' Sarah Lehman relyed much on hearsay and family sources. There are many, many errors in her book 'Back Creek'. John German said that the only sons of Richard that he could id from tax lists were Richard, Isaac, & Jacob. Said that a grandson of Michael reported that Michael was one of eight brothers. Nothing from John regarding any daughters. > > As to DNA testing, don't know any other Robbins in Isaac's line. My cousin Phil died years ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on line, but don't know if they tested. John wauld know, but he is no longer with us. > > Sorry I can't be of more help. > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM > Chris,A couple of > questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully > you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. > I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for > the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah > Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, > Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. > Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or > sources that links these children to > Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard > Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in > your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? 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Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 14:09:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA Message: *Robins, Robbins of New Jersey* - https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE207469 *The exile of Daniel Robins to America in 1652* - https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE80391 On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:15 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Chris, > > The book is available online at familysearch.com under their book section. > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:14 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA > > > > > > Is the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book still available? > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 6/22/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA > To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m > Date: Sunday, June 22, 2014, 7:34 PM > > For new members who aren't aware of it. > The funds from the sale of the "Robins, Robbins of New > Jersey" book were used to sponsor FTDNA tests for > members who were unable to pay the fee or only pay part of > the fee. Possibly someone could think of another project in > order to collect enough money to sponsor some candidates. > Just a thought. > On another > topic. Genealogy News published an article today about > Ancestry being hacked on June 18th. Does anyone know what > hackers are looking for & how do they use the > information from a site like Ancestry? 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Are the links associated with familysearch? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA Robins, Robbins of New Jersey * https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE207469 The exile of Daniel Robins to America in 1652 * https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE80391 On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:15 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Chris, The book is available online at familysearch.com under their book section. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:14 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA Is the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book still available? Chris -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 6/22/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Date: Sunday, June 22, 2014, 7:34 PM For new members who aren't aware of it. The funds from the sale of the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book were used to sponsor FTDNA tests for members who were unable to pay the fee or only pay part of the fee. Possibly someone could think of another project in order to collect enough money to sponsor some candidates. Just a thought. On another topic. Genealogy News published an article today about Ancestry being hacked on June 18th. Does anyone know what hackers are looking for & how do they use the information from a site like Ancestry? Although Ancestry says no information was lost. 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Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 14:45:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA Message: Sara, Yes, it's FamilySearch's collection of digitized genealogy books: https://books.familysearch.org/ On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 3:20 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Tod, > > How did the books get placed on these links? Are the links associated with > familysearch? > > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:10 PM > > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA > > > > > > *Robins, Robbins of New Jersey* > > - https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE207469 > > > > *The exile of Daniel Robins to America in 1652* > > - https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE80391 > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:15 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Chris, > > The book is available online at familysearch.com under their book section. > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:14 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA > > > > > > Is the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book still available? > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 6/22/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, June 22, 2014, 7:34 PM > > For new members who aren't aware of it. > The funds from the sale of the "Robins, Robbins of New > Jersey" book were used to sponsor FTDNA tests for > members who were unable to pay the fee or only pay part of > the fee. Possibly someone could think of another project in > order to collect enough money to sponsor some candidates. > Just a thought. > On another > topic. Genealogy News published an article today about > Ancestry being hacked on June 18th. Does anyone know what > hackers are looking for & how do they use the > information from a site like Ancestry? 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Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 15:03:18 Subject:Some DNA ancestry services akin to 'genetic astrology' Message: Since we've been having a lot of conversation in the group about genetic ancestry testing, I thought I'd pass along this news article from the BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-21687013 Which references this public study by Sense About Science : http://www.senseaboutscience.org/resources.php/119/sense-about-genetic-ancestry-testing There are a lot of companies out there looking to cash in on the trend, so research, research, research before making any purchases. Cheers! -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:931 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 15:06:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Descendants of Richard Robins son Michael son Jesse Sr.who moved to alabama Message: Carolyn, Just to clarify this is Richard Robins, son of Daniel Robins (b. 1627)? On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:50 AM, cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > WE need to find someone from this branch of the family to do DNA testing. > If you are out there listening in on the conversation, Please let yourself > be known. Or if you are aware of a candidate that would also be helpful. If > it is a question of cost or privacy please share that with me off list and > I will consider financial aide. cgilleece at cfl.rr.com > This would be a big leap in knowledge for us all. > > Carolyn Painter Gilleece>Floyd Painter>Martha Jane Robins Painter>Daniel > Robins>Jesse Jr>Jesse Sr.>Michael>Richard > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:932 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 16:38:27 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Descendants of Richard Robins son Michael son Jesse Sr.who moved to alabama Message: No, this is Richard Robins b.c1710 who lived in N.C father of Michael Robin, the Tory who rode with the infamous Col. Fanning. ---- "'todd.d.robbins@...' todd.d.robbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Carolyn, > > Just to clarify this is Richard Robins, son of Daniel Robins (b. 1627)? > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:50 AM, cgilleece@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > > > WE need to find someone from this branch of the family to do DNA testing. > > If you are out there listening in on the conversation, Please let yourself > > be known. Or if you are aware of a candidate that would also be helpful. If > > it is a question of cost or privacy please share that with me off list and > > I will consider financial aide. cgilleece at cfl.rr.com > > This would be a big leap in knowledge for us all. > > > > Carolyn Painter Gilleece>Floyd Painter>Martha Jane Robins Painter>Daniel > > Robins>Jesse Jr>Jesse Sr.>Michael>Richard > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:933 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-26 17:22:58 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA Message: Tod, Thanks so much. Iâm often asked how to view the books & where to go. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:46 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA Sara, Yes, it's FamilySearch's collection of digitized genealogy books: https://books.familysearch.org/ On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 3:20 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Tod, How did the books get placed on these links? Are the links associated with familysearch? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA Robins, Robbins of New Jersey * https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE207469 The exile of Daniel Robins to America in 1652 * https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE80391 On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:15 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Chris, The book is available online at familysearch.com under their book section. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:14 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA Is the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book still available? Chris -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 6/22/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 22, 2014, 7:34 PM For new members who aren't aware of it. The funds from the sale of the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book were used to sponsor FTDNA tests for members who were unable to pay the fee or only pay part of the fee. Possibly someone could think of another project in order to collect enough money to sponsor some candidates. Just a thought. On another topic. Genealogy News published an article today about Ancestry being hacked on June 18th. Does anyone know what hackers are looking for & how do they use the information from a site like Ancestry? Although Ancestry says no information was lost. 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8-3-1799 mentions his wife Elizabeth & youngest son Haman along with four unnamed children. Did James have a first wife named Martha Beesley & seven children by her? Is this cor rect? If it is do you know why the other children werenât mentioned in the will along with Haman & the four unnamed children? So pleased you were able to have your father tested & make the connection to Richard. Thanks for sharing your line. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:09 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 John German helped with a DNA test for my father, James Robbins, born in Bell County, Ky in 1925. We have traced our line back to Richard Robbins from NC. The DNA test proved my father was a descendent of Daniel Robins of New Jersey. I can't tell you the line at this time but if it will help anyone I'll get it. My father is still with us but very feeble but if we need to obtain a more extensive DNA test, I will get it down. Mary Robbins Starkey Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:21 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: Chris, Thanks for your input. It appears from what you tell us that you are the only descendant of the Richard Robins b. abt. 1709 line to have any real proof they belong to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family. There may be an other man out there who tested because knowing John I suspect he would wanted to have more than one test. That is if he was able to get another one. Itâs difficult to find candidates & when we find them & they are willi ng they may have no interest in genealogy at all. Then the contact is lost when the party who sponsored the test gone. I do know from my discussions with John that he had his father-in-law test before Mr. Robbins passed away. John was related by marriage & not biologically to the Daniel Robins family. He was very involved with the line of Joseph Robins, Jr & Richard Robins of NC. I believe Johnâs wife was connected to the Joseph Robin s Jr. line not Richard. Maybe someone else here knows? Not really sure, will go back through my paper files. John was working on a paper trail for the descendants of Levi Robbins of Overton, TN 1806-1856. He told me he would sent me a copy when completed. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Sara, Hate to say it but 'cousin' Sarah Lehman relyed much on hearsay and family sources. There are many, many errors in her book 'Back Creek'. John German said that the only sons of Richard that he could id from tax lists we re Richard, Isaac, & Jacob. Said that a grandson of Michael reported that Michael was one of eight brothers. Nothing from John regarding any daughters. As to DNA testing, don't know any other Robbins in Isaac's line. My cousin Phil died years ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on line, but don't know if they tested. John wauld know, but he is no longer with us. Sorry I can't be of more help. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM Chris,A couple of questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or sources that links these children to Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? Do you know if any descendant/descendants of Richard's other sons, Richard, Jr., James, John, & Michael have tested? 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On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:50 AM, cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: WE need to find someone from this branch of the family to do DNA testing. If you are out there listening in on the conversation, Please let yourself be known. Or if you are aware of a candidate that would also be help ful. If it is a question of cost or privacy please share that with me off list and I will consider financial aide. cgilleece at cfl.rr.com This would be a big leap in knowledge for us all. Carolyn Painter Gilleece>Floyd Painter>Martha Jane Robins Painter>Daniel Robins>Jesse Jr>Jesse Sr.>Michael>Richard -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:936 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 08:10:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins of New Jesery Message: Sara in the book that was just sent the links to the New Jersey book that was written well that one is my Daniel Daniel Robens from Carter and Morgan co Ky that is where my Daniel was from and how his name was spelled do you have any more on him thanks Sara shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:937 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 08:14:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] daniel Message: sorry sara I misread he is the one that had no matches sorry again I guess I just want to find mine so bad I am gasping at straws thanks for your hard work Sara shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:938 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 08:30:15 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins of New Jesery Message: Shirley, I donât have anything on your Daniel Robins from Kentucky. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 8:10 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins of New Jesery Sara in the book that was just sent the links to the New Jersey book that was written well that one is my Daniel Daniel Robens from Carter and Morgan co Ky that is where my Daniel was from and how his name was spelled do you have any more on him thanks Sara shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:939 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 09:15:12 Subject:Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: Chris, You mentioned in a previous post that Sarah Robbins Lehman is a "cousin". Were there two unrelated families in Randolph Co. NC identified as the one "B" Robins & the two "BB" Robbins? Sarah Robbins Lehman told me she is from the ROBBINS of NC & not related to the ROBINS of NC who came there from NJ. According to Mrs. Lehman the ROBINS were criminals & low life folks. I'm curious if you know or any other group member knows if this is accurate? I'm not inquiring about Mrs. Lehman's claim regarding the criminal element because that's another subject. Is there a blood relationship between the ROBINS & ROBBINS families or are they the same group using a different name spelling? Is it possible she is correct & the Obedience Robins family or another unrelated Robbins family migrated to the same area as the Joseph Robins, Jr. & Richard Robins? Any DNA results to show a nother Robbins or Robins in the mix? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:940 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 09:22:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: There were not two unrelated Robbins families in Rowan/Randolph Co, NC. Sarah Lehman is an adherant of the Wales theory. The last time I talked to her, I told her that DNA testing proved we were not from Wales. Her r esponse was that she did not know what DNA was and didn't want to knos. She then hung up and never called again. John German battled the two family thing to the end. The reason for the one B & two BB spellings was th at most could not spell and the spelling of the name depended on how the person doing the name thought it should be spelled. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 12:15 PM   Chris, You mentioned in a previous post that Sarah Robbins Lehman is a "cousin". Were there two unrelated families in Randolph Co. NC identified as the one "B" Robins & the two "BB" Robbins?  Sarah Robbins Lehman told me she is from the ROBBINS of NC & not related to the ROBINS of NC who came there from NJ. According to Mrs. Lehman the ROBINS were criminals & low life folks. I'm curious if you know or any other group member knows if this is accurate? I'm not inquiring about Mrs. Lehman's claim regarding the criminal element because that's another subject. Is there a blood relationship between the ROBINS & ROBBINS families or are they the same group using a different name spelling?  Is it possible she is correct & the Obedience Robins family or another unrelated Robbins family migrated to the same area as the Joseph Robins, Jr. & Richard Robins? Any DNA results to show another Robbins or Robins in the mix?                                    Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:941 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 09:25:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: Forgot to add that to my and John's knowledge there is no relation between Obedience Robbins and our familes in Rowan/Randolph Cos. There was a totally unrelated family of Robbins in eastern NC. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 12:15 PM   Chris, You mentioned in a previous post that Sarah Robbins Lehman is a "cousin". Were there two unrelated families in Randolph Co. NC identified as the one "B" Robins & the two "BB" Robbins?  Sarah Robbins Lehman told me she is from the ROBBINS of NC & not related to the ROBINS of NC who came there from NJ. According to Mrs. Lehman the ROBINS were criminals & low life folks. I'm curious if you know or any other group member knows if this is accurate? I'm not inquiring about Mrs. Lehman's claim regarding the criminal element because that's another subject. Is there a blood relationship between the ROBINS & ROBBINS families or are they the same group using a different name spelling?  Is it possible she is correct & the Obedience Robins family or another unrelated Robbins family migrated to the same area as the Joseph Robins, Jr. & Richard Robins? Any DNA results to show another Robbins or Robins in the mix?                                    Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:942 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 10:43:46 Subject:Geno 2.0 Message: I think that I am going to have to buy the Geno 2.0 test from the Genographic project. That is only 199 dollars, versus the almost 700 dollars for the Big Y test. And, the results are transferable to FTDNA, so that may be worth exploring. At the very least, I would get additional SNP's for future reference once they come up with a useful ISOGG chart of the haplogroup. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:943 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 10:58:01 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: Chris, I appreciate your input as a proven descendant of the Richard Robins b. 1709 of NC. Iâve had several interesting phone conversations over the years with Mrs. Lehman. However, I really never figured out her Robbins vs Ro bins theory. She was so adamant that it was accurate. Thank you for letting me know the ROBBINS & ROBINS families of Randolph Co. of NC are one & the same family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC There were not two unrelated Robbins families in Rowan/Randolph Co, NC. Sarah Lehman is an adherant of the Wales theory. The last time I talked to her, I told her that DNA testing proved we were not from Wales. Her resp onse was that she did not know what DNA was and didn't want to knos. She then hung up and never called again. John German battled the two family thing to the end. The reason for the one B & two BB spellings was that mos t could not spell and the spelling of the name depended on how the person doing the name thought it should be spelled. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 12:15 PM Chris, You mentioned in a previous post that Sarah Robbins Lehman is a "cousin". Were there two unrelated families in Randolph Co. NC identified as the one "B" Robins & the two "BB" Robbins? Sarah Robbins Lehman told me she is from the ROBBINS of NC & not related to the ROBINS of NC who came there from NJ. According to Mrs. Lehman the ROBINS were criminals & low life folks. I'm curious if you know or any other group member knows if this is accurate? I'm not inquiring about Mrs. Lehman's claim regarding the criminal element because that's another subject. Is there a blood relationship between the ROBINS & ROBBINS families or are they the same group using a different name spelling? Is it possible she is correct & the Obedience Robins family or another unrelated Robbins family migrated to the same area as the Joseph Robins, Jr. & Richard Robins? Any DNA results to show another Robbins or Robins in the mix? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:944 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 11:06:56 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: John German and I could never figure out why so many Robins/Robbins researchers insisted on the two family theory with one family being from Wales. Even had one, Barbra Trujillo, say she had been to Wales and found pro of - which she never shared. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 1:58 PM Chris,I appreciate your input as a proven descendant of the Richard Robins b. 1709 of NC. Iâve had several interesting phone conversations over the years with Mrs. Lehman. However, I really never figured out her Robbins vs Robins theory. She was so adamant that it was accurate. Thank you for letting me know the ROBBINS & ROBINS families of Randolph Co. of NC are one & the same family.                                                                                                             Sara  From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC   There were not two unrelated Robbins families in Rowan/Randolph Co, NC. Sarah Lehman is an adherant of the Wales theory. The last time I talked to her, I told her that DNA testing proved we were not from Wales. Her response was that she did not know what DNA was and didn't want to knos. She then hung up and never called again. John German battled the two family thing to the end. The reason for the one B & two BB spellings was that most could not spell and the spelling of the name depended on how the person doing the name thought it should be spelled. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 12:15 PM   Chris, You mentioned in a previous post that Sarah Robbins Lehman is a "cousin". Were there two unrelated families in Randolph Co. NC identified as the one "B" Robins & the two "BB" Robbins?  Sarah Robbins Lehman told me she is from the ROBBINS of NC & not related to the ROBINS of NC who came there from NJ. According to Mrs. Lehman the ROBINS were criminals & low life folks. I'm curious if you know or any other group member knows if this is accurate? I'm not inquiring about Mrs. Lehman's claim regarding the criminal element because that's another subject. Is there a blood relationship between the ROBINS & ROBBINS families or are they the same group using a different name spelling?  Is it possible she is correct & the Obedience Robins family or another unrelated Robbins family migrated to the same area as the Joseph Robins, Jr. & Richard Robins? Any DNA results to show another Robbins or Robins in the mix?                                    Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:945 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 11:10:58 Subject:Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: I like the idea of being the "criminal element", Sara... Obviously the DNA evidence in the group regarding her ancestor Richard Robbins (with MULTIPLE matches in our project) is being ignored by her. Obedience Robins is off by one marker, having 13 instead of 12 as the first marker. IS a M-269, though. I doubt that there's any connection to the NJ Robins with him, although there should be some further testing for c onclusive haplogroup. 12 markers really doesn't cut it anymore. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:946 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 12:40:56 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: Richard, Itâs my opinion that the criminal aspects & unsavory social status attributed to the Robins family of NC were greatly exaggerated by the perpetuators of the Wales theory. Itâs ironic now that DNA shows the same people w ho spread these stories are related. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC I like the idea of being the "criminal element", Sara... Obviously the DNA evidence in the group regarding her ancestor Richard Robbins (with MULTIPLE matches in our project) is being ignored by her. Obedience Robins is off by one marker, having 13 instead of 12 as the first marker. IS a M-269, though. I doubt that there's any connection to the NJ Robins with him, although there should be some further testing for co nclusive haplogroup. 12 markers really doesn't cut it anymore. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:947 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 13:04:44 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: Sara, Micheal Robins (son of Richard b. c.1710) was on the wrong side of the revolution...He rode with the infamous David Fanning. After the war he made a run for SC to avoid procecution. I'm sure a lot of the family we re not talking to each other. David Fanning is said to be the only man not allowed to say he was sorry and be forgiven after the war. Imagine my surprise when I started looking for a patriot to join DAR and bumped into Michael. Funny that many years later, Michael's family wound up in Winston County Alabama...the only county in Alabama that would not cecede fron the Union. The county calls itself "The Free State of Winston." There's a stubborn streak running thru the Robins with one "b". :)) CG ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Richard, > > Itâs my opinion that the criminal aspects & unsavory social status attributed to the Robins family of NC were greatly exaggerated by the perpetuators of the Wales theory. Itâs ironic now that DNA shows the same people who spread these stories are related. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:11 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC > > > > > > I like the idea of being the "criminal element", Sara... > > > > Obviously the DNA evidence in the group regarding her ancestor Richard Robbins (with MULTIPLE matches in our project) is being ignored by her. > > > > Obedience Robins is off by one marker, having 13 instead of 12 as the first marker. IS a M-269, though. I doubt that there's any connection to the NJ Robins with him, although there should be some further testing for conclusive haplogroup. 12 markers really doesn't cut it anymore. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:948 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 14:38:05 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: Chris, I never involved myself with the southern Robins controversy. It went on for many years. After John's DNA project was circulated, it appears to have died down. It was a real victory for John. It looks to me like none of the lines from the Robins of NC have a very good paper trail & if it wasn't for DNA their NJ connection would have never been confirmed. I have files on these people from other researchers mostly unsourced so have no idea how accurate a lot of it may be. I appreciate your help with my questions. The wife of Richard Robins is said to be Anna Parsons. I haven't found a source for her name but maybe there is one. Do you know? John G. & I had discussed the possibility that Richard Robins who married Ann Race in Burlington Co., NJ on 3-21-1729 was your Richard. Also he didn't rule out the possibility that Richard was the son of another Daniel son & not Joseph. Although Joseph Robins, Sr. appears to be the most logical father, I agree it isn't a definite match. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:07 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC John German and I could never figure out why so many Robins/Robbins researchers insisted on the two family theory with one family being from Wales. Even had one, Barbra Trujillo, say she had been to Wales and found proof - which she never shared. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 1:58 PM Chris,I appreciate your input as a proven descendant of the Richard Robins b. 1709 of NC. I've had several interesting phone conversations over the years with Mrs. Lehman. However, I really never figured out her Robbins vs Robins theory. She was so adamant that it was accurate. Thank you for letting me know the ROBBINS & ROBINS families of Randolph Co. of NC are one & the same family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC There were not two unrelated Robbins families in Rowan/Randolph Co, NC. Sarah Lehman is an adherant of the Wales theory. The last time I talked to her, I told her that DNA testing proved we were not from Wales. Her response was that she did not know what DNA was and didn't want to knos. She then hung up and never called again. John German battled the two family thing to the end. The reason for the one B & two BB spellings was that most could not spell and the spelling of the name depended on how the person doing the name thought it should be spelled. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 12:15 PM Chris, You mentioned in a previous post that Sarah Robbins Lehman is a "cousin". Were there two unrelated families in Randolph Co. NC identified as the one "B" Robins & the two "BB" Robbins? Sarah Robbins Lehman told me she is from the ROBBINS of NC & not related to the ROBINS of NC who came there from NJ. According to Mrs. Lehman the ROBINS were criminals & low life folks. I'm curious if you know or any other group member knows if this is accurate? I'm not inquiring about Mrs. Lehman's claim regarding the criminal element because that's another subject. Is there a blood relationship between the ROBINS & ROBBINS families or are they the same group using a different name spelling? Is it possible she is correct & the Obedience Robins family or another unrelated Robbins family migrated to the same area as the Joseph Robins, Jr. & Richard Robins? Any DNA results to show another Robbins or Robins in the mix? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:949 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 15:13:33 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: Carolyn, Thatâs interesting about Michael Robins. Thereâs a Michael Robins mentioned in âRevolutionary Incidents and Sketches of Characterâ by Eli W. Caruthers. Is he your ancestor? Iâve not read the article but would like to i f you have it. There are a number of Loyalists in the Robins, Robbins family. John Taylorâs book âRichard Robins, Loyalistâ tells of Johnâs ancestor Richard & his move from NJ to Prince Edward Island. Apparently if t he ancestor took the Oath of Allegiance after the Rev. War the DAR in NJ maybe nationwide approves them as a patriot ancestor. Donât understand the logic but I have cousins who have joined that way. It seems to me ther e is something not quite right about it even if approved. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Sara, Micheal Robins (son of Richard b. c.1710) was on the wrong side of the revolution...He rode with the infamous David Fanning. After the war he made a run for SC to avoid procecution. I'm sure a lot of the family we re not talking to each other. David Fanning is said to be the only man not allowed to say he was sorry and be forgiven after the war. Imagine my surprise when I started looking for a patriot to join DAR and bumped into Michael. Funny that many years later, Michael's family wound up in Winston County Alabama...the only county in Alabama that would not cecede fron the Union. The county calls itself "The Free State of Winston." There's a stubborn streak running thru the Robins with one "b". :)) CG ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Richard, > > Itâs my opinion that the criminal aspects & unsavory social status attributed to the Robins family of NC were greatly exaggerated by the perpetuators of the Wales theory. Itâs ironic now that DNA shows the same people who spread these stories are related. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:11 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC > > > > > > I like the idea of being the "criminal element", Sara... > > > > Obviously the DNA evidence in the group regarding her ancestor Richard Robbins (with MULTIPLE matches in our project) is being ignored by her. > > > > Obedience Robins is off by one marker, having 13 instead of 12 as the first marker. IS a M-269, though. I doubt that there's any connection to the NJ Robins with him, although there should be some further testing for conclusive haplogroup. 12 markers really doesn't cut it anymore. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:950 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 15:55:49 Subject:Capt. Michael Robens Message: Caroline, "The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & Ske tches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:951 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 16:22:55 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens Message: Carolyn, I apologize for spelling your name as Caroline & not Carolyn in my last post to you. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:56 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens Caroline, "The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & Sket ches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:952 Sender:jerryscott572@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 17:08:43 Subject:SOURCES FOR RICHARD ROBBINS Message: I may have shared these notes before on the Robbins of Rowan Co NC and a few statements of John Garman Research notes and comments on Richard Robbins not all proven. Research only; Research of Richard Robbins and Joseph Robbins, Jr of Rowan NC from 1750 to 1770 and Randolph Co. North Carolina.Sister Bethiah Robbins m/ John Nation. Richard Robbins b/ 1709 possible unborn son of Joseph Robbins and Hannah Anna Packe and brother to Joseph Jr who died in Rowan in 1754. Richard Robbins fatherless at birth grew up in New Jersey and no doubt came to Virginia where his brother Joseph and Sister Bethiah, who had married John Nation in New Jersey had migrated to Virginia. They all end up in Rowan Co before 1754, Rowan was formed from Anson Co in 1753. A Richard Ro bbins married Anne Race on 21 Mar 1728 in Monmouth, New Jersey. Is this the Richard that appear in Frederick Co Virginia then Rowan. There is enough good circumstantial evidence that proves the family connections of these Robbins of Rowan Co NC and the DNA evidence of the descendants of Richard matching to Daniel Robbins of New Jersey.. Marriage Records New Jersey Zachariah Robbins married Mary Clayton about 1730 in Monmouth, New Jersey. These were the daughters of Zebulon Clayton. Zebulon Clayton was Adm to the Will of Joseph Robbins and Anne Packe and had sold land to Joseph Robbins. Richard Robbins spouse; Anne Race New Jersey, County Marriages, 1682-1956 marriage: 21 March 1729 Monmouth, New Jersey, United States Joseph Robins New Jersey, County Marriages, 1682-1956 marriage: 29 March 1732 Monmouth, New Jersey, United States spouse:Leah Clayton Daughter of Moses Robbins son of Daniel Sarah Robins possible daughter of Nathaniel Robbins son of Daniel New Jersey, County Marriages, 1682-1956 marriage: 8 August 1728 Monmouth, New Jersey, United States spouse:Cornelius Everingham Marriages to 1825 Rowan Co North Carolina Richard Robbins to Margaret Anderson 26 March 1765 bm Christopher Nation Ann Robbins to William Swaim 27 April 1765, bm, Jonathan Robbins, William Ledford Isabell Robins to William Livington 22 Sept 1767 bm Hugh Montgomery Abraham Inniard to Rachel Swaim 15 Feb 1769 bm Mathias and Jonathan Robbins Mary Ledford to Mark Lot 28 Aug 1769, daughter of John Ledford, grandaughter of William. Mark Lot was in Tax list with Jonathan Robbins 1768 William Spurgin, Dist. Taxpayers of North Carolina 1679 1790 1701-1786 Richard Sr 1759 1761 1768 1770 William, 1758 1759 1761 1768 1770 Elisha(land deeds only) Isaac, 1761-1768 Jacob 1768 1770 James, 1768 1770 John 1759 1770 Richard, Jr,1758 Michael 1761 1768 1770 Mathais, 1761 1770 Jonathan 1770 Joseph, Jr son of Joseph d/ 1754 -1758 1768 1779 William w/son John 1768 1770 - brother to Joseph These are the sons of Joseph Robbins who died in 1754 per Will ã Originally, Rowan County was a vast territory with an indefinite western boundary. Reductions in its extent began in 1770, when the eastern part of it was combined with the western part of Orange County to become Guilf ord County, North Carolina. In 1771 The Granville District of NC 1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Grants Vol 3 by Margret M. Hofmann Marmaduke Vickery 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of deep river joining a bent of yer river /s/ mark W. Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 1757 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins. W.Churton, Survr Abstracts of The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions Rowan NC 1763-1774 by Jo White Linn 20 July 1768 Anthory White vs Peter Johnson' ;Jury ;Jacob and Mathias Robbins ,John Bryant William Satterwhite and Comp/ vs Thomas Bryant; Jury Jacob and Mathias Robbins, John Bryant 12 July 1764 Solomon Spanks vs Robert Elrode; Jury Jon Swim,Wm Robins 9 Oct 1765-Ordered that a road be layed out as follows beg at Senter Meeting house leading down though Polecat Settlement into a road already land out through Orange Co to Cape Fear and that the former road laid out th e same acc, to answer the same purpose be dismuld and make void and the following Jury lay off the same acc. to law and make returns theretofore to Wit; John Nation, Sr., Benj Beeson, Joseph Lamb, Thomas Lamb,John Nation, Jr Marmaduke Vickery and Wm Robins be overseeer 5 July 1766 Lease and Release from Richard Robins to James Davis for 640 acres Sept 10-11 1766 proved by Christopher Nation. 14 Jan. 1768 John Mitchell vs Machael Young Jury Wm Robins, +others 16 Jan 1768- Road overseers apptd John Stone from Center Meeting House to County line instead of Wm Robbins John Ward instead of Jos Robins Richard Green. Mar 1768 From John Robins and wife to Wm Robins for 202 acres 15-16 Feb 1768 proved by Wm Millican 21 July 1768- John Mitchell vs Robert Pearis Jury; Mathias and Jacob Robins+others Bill of Sale from Richard Robins, Sr to Jr 11 Feb 1769 proved by Chas McAnally Deed From Wm Reynolds and wife to David Lewis for 15 acres 4 May 1769 proved by Christopher Nation. Jacob Robins is insolvent but is freed acc to Act Assembly in case of Edmond Fanning and Jessey Henley against him. 9 May 1770 Jonathan Robbins appt Constable instead of James Billingsley Deed From Joseph Robbins and wf to Abam Woodward for 202 acres 1 Apr 1770 Deed From Wm Robbins to Victor Thompson for 200 acres 7 Mar 1770 The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4798- Christopher Nation, 11 May 1757 216 acres in Rowan Co in the Pariah of St Luke on both sides of Polcat Creek, joining Marmaduke Kimborough s/ Christopher Nation, Wits; W. Churton, John McGee, surveyed 30 April 17 54 William Thorbrough, Edward Thornbrough, Jas Carter Dep Survr 4799- John Nation 23 May 1758 401 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of Polecat Creek, joining Harmon Cox Bullars line and both sides of the middle fork of the said Creek s/ John Nation Wits; W.Ch urton, John Long, entered 21 Feb 1757 surveyed 31 Aug 1757 SCC; Christopher Nation, William Robins, W Churton Survr Plat reads a tract of land for Capt Nation. 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W. Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaac. 4930- William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 562 acres in Rowan in the Parish of St Luke on the south branch of Muddy Creek which is the water of Deep river joining a branch and both sides of ye main Branch s/ mark Wits; Jas Watson, George Herndon, examined by W. Churton and Wm Matthews surveyed 25 Aug 1756 SCC; Isaac Robins, Michal Robbins 4943-Marmaduke Vickry 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of the deep River joining a bent of ye River s/ mark Wits; W Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 1 757 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins, W. Churton survr. 4859-Richard Robins 9 Jan 1761 640 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke s/ Richard Robins Wits W. Churton, John McGee examined by Wm Matthews and W. Chuston. Plat is missing. Abstracts of the Deeds of Rowan, North Carolina 1754-1785 Vols 1-106;161. 11 Sept 1764 Thomas Lamb shopkeeper and wife Sarah to Henry Powell for f12 proc. 126 acres Adj. Benjamin Beeson Henry Powell and Joseph Camess g ranted by Granville 21 Dec 1764 Christopher Nation, Richard Robins Proved July Court 1765 Randolph Co North Carolina Land Warrents 1778-1948 Isaac Robbins Sr., 100 acres warrent # 119 issued Mar 29, 1797by Emaley Parke to Isaac Robins for 100 acres on waters of Caraway Creek joins his own line on E. And West runs S E and entered Aug 9, 1796 #136 Dec 2 1796 Isaac Robins paid fo.50 for 100 acres in entry #119. John Haywood, Paid Treasurer 100 acres surveyed Mar31, 1797 by William Love, Ezekiel Robbins and Richard Robbins, chain carrier Jon Swaim, Jr 50 ac warrent #505 issued May 14 1799 by Emsley Parke to John Swaim for 50 ac on water of Deep R begans at Joh Swaim Sr's SW corner and entered Aug 22, 1798 #177Aug 14 1799 John Swaim pais f0.25 for 50ac in entry #505signed L. Toole for John Haywood P. Treasurer 50 ac surveyed by Josrph Elliott James Swaney and William Dennis chain carriers grant #1231 isued Aug 14 , 1799. Joseph Macy 630 acres warret #154 issued Mar 15 1786 Quaker style date by Sam Millihan to Joseph Macy for 630 acres on Potlecat Cr waters begins at William Robbins SE corner runs W , s and entered Dec14, 1785; 630 acre s sureyed May 1 1786 by Sam Millikas; William Robbins and Joseph Nation chain carriers grant #464 issued Aug 18 1787. William Swaim 100 acres warrent #687 issued Oct 27 1800 by Emsley Parke to William Swaim for 100 ac water of Deep R begains on John Swaim's East line and entered Mar 3 1800; Dec 1, 1800 ;William Swaim has paid purchase money for 100 ac entry #687 signed J. Craven comptroller; 100 ac surveyed Nov 7 1800 by Joseph Elliott; Daniel Robins and Christopher Swaim chain carriers Christopher Robbins 580 acres warrent #207 issued Jan 18 1787 to Christopher Robbins for 580 acres on Polecat Cr waters begain at Josph Macy's corner white oak joins Bernard Nation, Vicory and entered Oct 7 1786; 580 a c surveyed Oct 25 1787 by Sam Millikan. Jos Nation and Daniel Robbins grant#532 issued May 18 1789. Deeds from Henry McMullch proved by John Frohock To John Robbins for 302 acres 15 Feb 1763 To Joseph Robbins for 303 acres 16 Feb 1763 To William Robbins for 200 acres 14 Feb 1763 Some research notes of the Late John German; Robbins Family Genealogy Forum 6908 In 1999 Mr. John Nelson Robbins of Washington, DC, made a trip to Swansea and wrote of his disappointment, "I found nothing in Swansea at the Family Research Center though there were several Robins/Robbins in their rec ords, no Richard, Isaac or Ian. I looked at the Ilston Book at their archives, a listing of members of a secret Baptist church in Swansea during the 17th and 18th centuries and still found nothing." John Garman Research; STATEMENT QUESTION; Richard Robbins was born abt. 1712 near Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales. He married Anna Parsons. All of his children were born in Wales. What makes you think they are not from Wales? Aside from an unreliable tradition, no one has ever offered a single shred of evidence that Richard Robbins or his children were from Wales or even of his wife's name. By evidence I mean a primary government or church document, a private Bible or other such ancient family record, or even a citing of a preserved and believable oral source. Then there is the suspicious claim by the Welsh adherents that Richard was not related to Joseph Robins from New Jersey not withstanding that Richard witnessed his will. The Welsh adherents also claimed Richard Robbins arrived in NC from Wales in the 1750s but there is record of Richard Robbins in Frederick Co., V A, in 1745; Joseph Robbins was also in that county at that time. Then Mrs. Lehman tried to feed me a nonsensical story about three mysterious sisters who had gone to Wales and put together the genealogy and made a pact with each other to never reveal their sources - BALONEY! This same lame story is used by J.M. when his genealogy is challenged. Serious research has uncovered big errors such as Jacob being a supposed son of Elisha when in fact the 1750 and 1751 Dan River tax lists are evidence of Jacob being a son of Richard; many other names on these lists can also be traced back to Frederick Co., VA. There is the clam that Loyalist captain Michael was killed, but he survived the war and fled prosecution in NC by moving to SC. Another great big error was the combining of two James Robbins into a single person. By-the-way, descendants of the James who married Eliza beth Yount started a tradition that he was from Germany - its obvious that error was started by confusion with the Yount ancestry. Now we have the DNA evidence that descendants of Richard share a common ancestry with de scendants of Daniel of Scotland who was the grandfather of Joseph. Richard is thus probably another grandson of Daniel who moved with Joseph to Frederick Co., VA, and then on to Rowan (now Randolph) Co., NC. A stake has been driven through the hearts of the Welsh story and Richard's fictional ancestry. "if there is any info known on Ian Robbins b. 1650, Issac b. 1670-80, or Elisha b. 1704 in Swansea, and Jacob b. 1738. . . . Additionally, there wives were Mary McGray b. 1650, Sarah McGray b. 1675, and Mary Wade b.unknown. Jacob's wife, Mary Wells, was born in North Carolina." Nobody has ever offered any evidence that the above Ian and Isaac Robbins are even real people let alone proven their connection to any American Robbins family. The only source that has ever been cited is an invisable research summary by three mythical women who went to Wales and made a pact to never reveal their sources - and by the way nobody knows where that summary is today either. In other words, I believe this genealogy is a hoax. Interesting, and undoubtedly controversial, are the test results of DNA samples from two descendants of Richard Robbins (b. c1710) of Rowan Co., NC. An unavoidable conclusion is that the providers of these samples shar e a common ancestor with tested descendants of Daniel Robins (b. c1627 Scotland - d. 1714 New Jersey). Richard Robbins witnessed the 1754 will of Joseph Robins Jr., a grandson of Daniel Robins. Hopefully, the genetic ma tch with the New Jersey family will stimulate an interest in new research. As I interpret this 1751 list, I see a Richard Robbins is paying taxes for himself as well as for a Jacob Robbins and an Isaac Robbins. The taxable age at that time started at age 16 thus burdening fathers with additional taxes. Other names on this list appear in Rowan Co. court records suggesting this party of Robbins is also in what became Rowan (now Randolph) Co. Thus it seems we have evidence that Richard was the father of Jacob and Isaac. The evidence in the 1751 tax list is similar to the 1761 tax list of Rowan Co. used to support placing Michael Robbins as a son of Richard Robbins. This is very contrary to the recycled undocumented genealogies claiming Jacob was a son of Elisha I have found evidence of Richard Robbins in Frederick Co., VA, where Joseph Robins and his brother-in-law John Nation lived before moving to NC. Other names in these records are also found in NC along with Richard Robbins in the 1751 Dan River tax list. "Abstracts of Frederick County [Virginia] Orders, Book 1, 1742-1745": . . . . Friday 10th May 1745, p. 353: Wm Griftiths v Richard Robins In Assumpsit Deft Appearing at his motion, futher Imparlance Granted until next Court. . . . . Wednesday 5th June 1745, p. 377: Wm Griftiths v Richard Robins In Assumpsit Deft pleaded he did not assume in Manner & form & plt Joyning Issue, Tryal thereof referred until next Court. . . . . Wednesday 7th August 1745, p. 48: William Griftiths v Richard Robins In Assumpsit Suit Continued until next Court. . . . . [Ref.: FREDERICK FINDINGS, vol 8 #2 (summer 1995), p. 92; vol 9 #1 (spring 1996), p. 48; vol 9 #4 (winter 1996), p. 261.] >John, >Given that both Richard & Joseph-3 was together in 1745 Frederick VA it >appears they could be brothers? But Joseph-2 does not mention a son Richard >in his 1709 will but refers to child not yet born. > >In 1751 Granville NC Richard has 3 tithes, himself, and sons Isaac & Jacob. >His sons Isaac & Jacob has to be at least 16 yrs of age, thus born by 1735. >Since there are two sons age >16 we can safely assume the oldest born by >1733. In 1733 Richard has to be at least of legal age 21, thus born >1709 Could be the unborn child born 1709/1710 be Richard? Robins Joseph Rowan County November 18 1754 Sons Joseph William and John Daughter Elenor Wife and Executrix Elenor Executor John Nation brother in law Witnesses AJ Smith Ch Nation* Richard Robins No probate *Christopher Nation Abstracts of Deeds of Rowan Co. North Carolina 1753-1785 9 Jan. 1761 Granville to Richard Robins for 10 sh. proc 640 acres in Rowan W. Lucas, W. Churton Provd; Oct Court 1762 10 Sept 1764 Richard Robins to James Davis for f 100 proc 640 acres on Muddy Creek of Deep River, Christopher Nation, Samuel, Ozbun, Prvd; Oct. Court 1766. 11Feb 1769 Richard Robins, Sr. to Richard Robins, Jr. for f40 an improvement on Abbotts Creek called Hunts Fork and livestock Christopher Nation Prvd. May Court 1769. Misc Land Office Lord Granville Richard Robins plat dated 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan Co. on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deed River on both sides of the branch of the said creek CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrent Dated 1 Dec 1753 . 1790 census Randolph Co., NC, (taken from online abstract): by John German 79 Robbins Christopher 1 2 5 0 0 80 Robbins John 1 6 2 0 0 745 Robbins Joseph 1 3 2 0 0 844 Robbins Joseph 1 0 1 0 0 1117 Robbins John 1 4 6 0 3 1119 Robbins William 3 0 8 1 9 1120 Robbins Moses 1 1 2 0 1 1125 Robbins Isaac 3 3 5 0 0 1148 Robbins James 3 2 2 0 0 1152 Robbins Joshua 1 0 2 0 0 ?? A List of Tythables on Dan River for the Year 1751 Granville County North Carolina Richard, Isaac, Jacob-3 sons of Richard Isaac and Jacob at least 16 years old births 1735 These records were found in the walls of the old Court House when work was being done in 1944. They were in very bad condition. Copied by William D. Kissiah, they are bound in two volumes of HISTORICAL RECORDS. Taxable Persons in Rowan Co., NC 1759 Armfield, Isaac Armfield, Isaac Armfield, William Hackett, Daniel Lamb, Manash Lamb, Robert Robins, Josiah Robins, William Robins, John Robins, Richard Robins, Matthew Robins, William Vickry, John Vickry, Marmaduke List of Taxables taken by Thomas Stilwell 1761 Armfield, Isaac, Sr. & son Thomas , Armfield, William Lamb, Elizabeth & son Jacob & 2 negroes Lamb, Thomas Nation, John & sons John & Joseph ,Nation, Christopher Robins, William Robins, Isaac Robins, Mathias Robins, Richard & Mickel(Michael) Robin Robbins, William Vickrey, John , Vickrey, Marmaduke & son Christopher Swem, Michael SB Swaim List of Taxables taken by Arthur Oneale Oct. 20, 1761 Waggoner, Jacob List of Taxables taken by Michael Brown (date unknown) Tucker, Geroge Lamb, Manasah Tax List (date unknown) Vickery, (Vickrey) Marmaduke Vickrey, Christopher Vickrey, John Swim, Adam, Swim, John Tax List (date unknown) Nation, Christopher & son John & Thomas Nation, John Nation, Joseph ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:953 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 17:15:53 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins/Robbins Message: Sara, I am both spellings so no worry. Legal name Carolyn but my father called me Caroline and it stuck. Either is good for me. As for Michael Robins, (Tory) he is listed in the pension application of a couple of Rev. s oldiers. He seems to have been very active in NC. I think Chris and Richard have a lot of info on him. Perhaps they will share. Thanks for all you do...Caroline (Carolyn Eugenia Painter Gilleece) :)) ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Carolyn, > > I apologize for spelling your name as Caroline & not Carolyn in my last post to you. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:56 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens > > > > > > Caroline, > > "The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & Sk etches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book. > > Sara > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:954 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 17:31:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] SOURCES FOR RICHARD ROBBINS Message: Thanks Jerry for putting this online today. I have it buried somewhere. It took a lot of research and thought and DNA to get this far. Hopefully someone smarter than I can unravel the rest of the story. Please share any thing you think could spur the hunt. Caroline ---- "jerryscott572@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > I may have shared these notes before on the Robbins of Rowan Co NC and a few statements of John Garman > > > > > > > > > Research notes and comments on Richard Robbins not all proven. Research only; > > > Research of Richard Robbins and Joseph Robbins, Jr of Rowan NC from 1750 to 1770 and Randolph Co. North Carolina.Sister Bethiah Robbins m/ John Nation. > > > Richard Robbins b/ 1709 possible unborn son of Joseph Robbins > > > and Hannah Anna Packe and brother to Joseph Jr who died in Rowan in 1754. > > > Richard Robbins fatherless at birth grew up in New Jersey and no doubt came > to Virginia where his brother Joseph and Sister Bethiah, who had married John Nation in New Jersey had migrated to Virginia. They all end up in Rowan Co before 1754, Rowan was formed from Anson Co in 1753. A Richard Robbins married Anne Race on 21 Mar 1728 in Monmouth, New Jersey. Is this the Richard that appear in Frederick Co Virginia then Rowan. > > > There is enough good circumstantial evidence that proves the family connections of these Robbins of Rowan Co NC and the > DNA evidence of the descendants of Richard matching to Daniel Robbins of New Jersey.. > > > > > > > Marriage Records New Jersey > > > > > > > Zachariah Robbins married Mary Clayton about 1730 > > > in Monmouth, New Jersey. These were the daughters of Zebulon Clayton. Zebulon > > > Clayton was Adm to the Will of Joseph Robbins and Anne Packe and had sold land to Joseph Robbins. > > > Richard Robbins spouse; Anne Race > > > New Jersey, County Marriages, 1682-1956 > > > marriage: 21 March 1729 Monmouth, New Jersey, United States > > > > > > Joseph Robins > > > New Jersey, County Marriages, 1682-1956 > > > marriage: 29 March 1732 Monmouth, New Jersey, United States > > > spouse:Leah Clayton Daughter of Moses Robbins son of Daniel > > > Sarah Robins possible daughter of Nathaniel Robbins son of Daniel > > > New Jersey, County Marriages, 1682-1956 > > > marriage: 8 August 1728 Monmouth, New Jersey, United States > > > spouse:Cornelius Everingham > > > > > > > Marriages to 1825 Rowan Co North Carolina > > > > > Richard Robbins to Margaret Anderson 26 March 1765 bm Christopher Nation > > > Ann Robbins to William Swaim 27 April 1765, bm, Jonathan Robbins, William Ledford > > > Isabell Robins to William Livington 22 Sept 1767 bm Hugh Montgomery > > > Abraham Inniard to Rachel Swaim 15 Feb 1769 bm Mathias and Jonathan Robbins > > > Mary Ledford to Mark Lot 28 Aug 1769, daughter of John Ledford, grandaughter of William. Mark Lot was in Tax list with Jonathan Robbins 1768 William Spurgin, Dist. > > > > > > > > > > Taxpayers of North Carolina 1679 1790 1701-1786 > > > > > > > Richard Sr 1759 1761 1768 1770 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > William, 1758 1759 1761 1768 1770 Elisha(land deeds only) > > > Isaac, 1761-1768 Jacob 1768 1770 > > > James, 1768 1770 John 1759 1770 > > > Richard, Jr,1758 Michael 1761 1768 1770 > > > Mathais, 1761 1770 Jonathan 1770 > > > > > Joseph, Jr son of Joseph d/ 1754 -1758 1768 1779 > > > William w/son John 1768 1770 - brother to Joseph > > > These are the sons of Joseph Robbins who died in 1754 per Will > > > ã > Originally, Rowan County was a vast territory with an indefinite western boundary. Reductions in its extent began in 1770, when the eastern part of it was combined with the western part of Orange County to become Gui lford County, North Carolina. In 1771 > > > The Granville District of NC 1748-1763 > > > Abstracts of Land Grants Vol 3 by Margret M. Hofmann > > > Marmaduke Vickery 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of deep river joining a bent of yer river /s/ mark W. Churton, > > > > > > > William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 1757 SCC; Richard Robins, > > > > > Elisha Robins. W.Churton, Survr > > > Abstracts of The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions Rowan NC 1763-1774 by Jo White Linn > > > 20 July 1768 Anthory White vs Peter Johnson' ;Jury ;Jacob and Mathias Robbins ,John Bryant > > > William Satterwhite and Comp/ vs Thomas Bryant; Jury Jacob and Mathias Robbins, John Bryant > > > 12 July 1764 Solomon Spanks vs Robert Elrode; Jury Jon Swim,Wm Robins > > > 9 Oct 1765-Ordered that a road be layed out as follows beg at Senter Meeting house leading down though Polecat Settlement into a road already land out through Orange Co to Cape Fear and that the former road laid out the same acc, to answer the same purpose > > > be dismuld and make void and the following Jury lay off the same acc. to law and make returns theretofore to Wit; John Nation, Sr., Benj Beeson, Joseph Lamb, Thomas Lamb,John Nation, Jr Marmaduke Vickery and Wm Robin s be overseeer > > > 5 July 1766 Lease and Release from Richard Robins to James Davis for 640 acres > > > Sept 10-11 1766 proved by Christopher Nation. > > > 14 Jan. 1768 John Mitchell vs Machael Young Jury Wm Robins, +others > > > 16 Jan 1768- Road overseers apptd John Stone from Center Meeting House to County line instead of Wm Robbins John Ward instead of Jos Robins Richard Green. > > > Mar 1768 From John Robins and wife to Wm Robins for 202 acres 15-16 Feb 1768 proved by Wm Millican > > > 21 July 1768- John Mitchell vs Robert Pearis Jury; Mathias and Jacob Robins+others > > > Bill of Sale from Richard Robins, Sr to Jr 11 Feb 1769 proved by Chas McAnally > > > Deed From Wm Reynolds and wife to David Lewis for 15 acres 4 May 1769 proved by > > > Christopher Nation. > > > Jacob Robins is insolvent but is freed acc to Act Assembly in case of Edmond Fanning and Jessey Henley against him. > > > 9 May 1770 Jonathan Robbins appt Constable instead of James Billingsley > > > Deed From Joseph Robbins and wf to Abam Woodward for 202 acres 1 Apr 1770 > > > Deed From Wm Robbins to Victor Thompson for 200 acres 7 Mar 1770 > > > The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. > > > 4798- Christopher Nation, 11 May 1757 216 acres in Rowan Co in the Pariah of St Luke on both sides of Polcat Creek, joining Marmaduke Kimborough s/ Christopher Nation, Wits; W. Churton, John McGee, surveyed 30 April 1754 William Thorbrough, Edward Thornbrough, Jas Carter Dep Survr > > > 4799- John Nation 23 May 1758 401 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of Polecat Creek, joining Harmon Cox Bullars line and both sides of the middle fork of the said Creek s/ John Nation Wits; W. Churton, John Long, entered 21 Feb 1757 surveyed 31 Aug 1757 SCC; Christopher Nation, William Robins, W Churton Survr Plat reads a tract of land for Capt Nation. > > > 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W. Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaac. > > > 4930- William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 562 acres in Rowan in the Parish of St Luke on the south branch of Muddy Creek which is the water of Deep river joining a branch and both sides of ye main Branch s/ mark Wits; J as Watson, George Herndon, examined by W. Churton and Wm Matthews surveyed 25 Aug 1756 SCC; Isaac Robins, Michal Robbins > > > 4943-Marmaduke Vickry 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of the deep River joining a bent of ye River s/ mark Wits; W Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 1757 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins, W. Churton survr. > > > 4859-Richard Robins 9 Jan 1761 640 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke s/ Richard Robins Wits W. Churton, John McGee examined by Wm Matthews and W. Chuston. Plat is missing. > > > Abstracts of the Deeds of Rowan, North Carolina 1754-1785 Vols 1-106;161. 11 Sept 1764 Thomas Lamb shopkeeper and wife Sarah to Henry Powell for f12 proc. 126 acres Adj. Benjamin Beeson Henry Powell and Joseph Camess granted by Granville 21 Dec 1764 Christopher Nation, Richard Robins Proved July Court 1765 > > > Randolph Co North Carolina Land Warrents 1778-1948 > > > Isaac Robbins Sr., 100 acres warrent # 119 issued Mar 29, 1797by Emaley Parke to Isaac Robins for 100 acres on waters of Caraway Creek joins his own line on E. And West runs S E and entered Aug 9, 1796 #136 Dec 2 179 6 Isaac Robins paid fo.50 for 100 acres in entry #119. John Haywood, Paid Treasurer 100 acres surveyed Mar31, 1797 > > > by William Love, Ezekiel Robbins and Richard Robbins, chain carrier > > > Jon Swaim, Jr 50 ac warrent #505 issued May 14 1799 by Emsley Parke to John Swaim for 50 ac on water of Deep R begans at Joh Swaim Sr's SW corner and entered Aug 22, 1798 #177Aug 14 1799 John Swaim pais f0.25 for 50a c in entry #505signed L. Toole for John Haywood P. Treasurer 50 ac surveyed by Josrph Elliott James Swaney and William Dennis chain carriers grant #1231 isued Aug 14 , 1799. > > > Joseph Macy 630 acres warret #154 issued Mar 15 1786 Quaker style date by Sam Millihan to Joseph Macy for 630 acres on Potlecat Cr waters begins at William Robbins SE corner runs W , s and entered Dec14, 1785; 630 ac res sureyed May 1 1786 by Sam Millikas; William Robbins and Joseph Nation chain carriers grant #464 issued Aug 18 1787. > > > William Swaim 100 acres warrent #687 issued Oct 27 1800 by Emsley Parke to William Swaim for 100 ac water of Deep R begains on John Swaim's East line and entered Mar 3 1800; Dec 1, 1800 ;William Swaim has paid purcha se money for 100 ac entry #687 signed J. Craven comptroller; 100 ac surveyed Nov 7 1800 by Joseph Elliott; Daniel Robins and Christopher Swaim chain carriers > > > Christopher Robbins 580 acres warrent #207 issued Jan 18 1787 to Christopher Robbins for 580 acres on Polecat Cr waters begain at Josph Macy's corner white oak joins Bernard Nation, Vicory and entered Oct 7 1786; 580 ac surveyed Oct 25 1787 by > > > Sam Millikan. Jos Nation and Daniel Robbins grant#532 issued May 18 1789. > > > Deeds from Henry McMullch proved by John Frohock > > > To John Robbins for 302 acres 15 Feb 1763 > > > To Joseph Robbins for 303 acres 16 Feb 1763 > > > To William Robbins for 200 acres 14 Feb 1763 > > > > > > > Some research notes of the Late John German; > > > > > Robbins Family Genealogy Forum 6908 > > > In 1999 Mr. John Nelson Robbins of Washington, DC, made a trip to Swansea and wrote of his disappointment, "I found nothing in Swansea at the Family Research Center though there were several Robins/Robbins in their r ecords, no Richard, Isaac or Ian. I looked at the Ilston Book at their archives, a listing of members of a secret Baptist church in Swansea during the 17th and 18th centuries and still found nothing." > > > John Garman Research; > > > STATEMENT QUESTION; Richard Robbins was born abt. 1712 near Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales. He married Anna Parsons. All of his children were born in Wales. What makes you think they are not from Wales? > > > Aside from an unreliable tradition, no one has ever offered a single shred of evidence that Richard Robbins or his children were from Wales or even of his wife's name. By evidence I mean a primary government or churc h document, a private Bible or other such ancient family record, or even a citing of a preserved and believable oral source. Then there is the suspicious claim by the Welsh adherents that Richard was not related to Jose ph Robins from New Jersey not withstanding that Richard witnessed his will. The Welsh adherents also claimed Richard Robbins arrived in NC from Wales in the 1750s but there is record of Richard Robbins in Frederick Co., VA, in 1745; Joseph Robbins was also in that county at that time. Then Mrs. Lehman tried to feed me a nonsensical story about three mysterious sisters who had gone to Wales and put together the genealogy and made a pac t with each other to never reveal their sources - BALONEY! This same lame story is used by J.M. when his genealogy is challenged. Serious research has uncovered big errors such as Jacob being a supposed son of Elisha wh en in fact the 1750 and 1751 Dan River tax lists are evidence of Jacob being a son of Richard; many other names on these lists can also be traced back to Frederick Co., VA. There is the clam that Loyalist captain Michae l was killed, but he survived the war and fled prosecution in NC by moving to SC. Another great big error was the combining of two James Robbins into a single person. By-the-way, descendants of the James who married Eli zabeth Yount started a tradition that he was from Germany - its obvious that error was started by confusion with the Yount ancestry. Now we have the DNA evidence that descendants of Richard share a common ancestry with descendants of Daniel of Scotland who was the grandfather of Joseph. Richard is thus probably another grandson of Daniel who moved with Joseph to Frederick Co., VA, and then on to Rowan (now Randolph) Co., NC. A stake h as been driven through the hearts of the Welsh story and Richard's fictional ancestry. > > > "if there is any info known on Ian Robbins b. 1650, Issac b. 1670-80, > > > or Elisha b. 1704 in Swansea, and Jacob b. 1738. . . . > > > Additionally, there wives were Mary McGray b. 1650, Sarah McGray b. > > > 1675, and Mary Wade b.unknown. Jacob's wife, Mary Wells, was born in > > > North Carolina." > > > Nobody has ever offered any evidence that the above Ian and Isaac > > > Robbins are even real people let alone proven their connection to any > > > American Robbins family. The only source that has ever been cited is an > > > invisable research summary by three mythical women who went to Wales and > > > made a pact to never reveal their sources - and by the way nobody knows > > > where that summary is today either. In other words, I believe this > > > genealogy is a hoax. > > > Interesting, and undoubtedly controversial, are the test results of DNA samples from two descendants of Richard Robbins (b. c1710) of Rowan Co., NC. An unavoidable conclusion is that the providers of these samples sh are a common ancestor with tested descendants of Daniel Robins (b. c1627 Scotland - d. 1714 New Jersey). Richard Robbins witnessed the 1754 will of Joseph Robins Jr., a grandson of Daniel Robins. Hopefully, the genetic match with the New Jersey family will stimulate an interest in new research. > > > As I interpret this 1751 list, I see a Richard Robbins is paying taxes > > > for himself as well as for a Jacob Robbins and an Isaac Robbins. The > > > taxable age at that time started at age 16 thus burdening fathers with > > > additional taxes. Other names on this list appear in Rowan Co. court > > > records suggesting this party of Robbins is also in what became Rowan > > > (now Randolph) Co. Thus it seems we have evidence that Richard was the > > > father of Jacob and Isaac. The evidence in the 1751 tax list is similar > > > to the 1761 tax list of Rowan Co. used to support placing Michael > > > Robbins as a son of Richard Robbins. This is very contrary to the > > > recycled undocumented genealogies claiming Jacob was a son of Elisha > > > I have found evidence of Richard Robbins in Frederick Co., VA, where > > > Joseph Robins and his brother-in-law John Nation lived before moving to > > > NC. Other names in these records are also found in NC along with Richard > > > Robbins in the 1751 Dan River tax list. > > > "Abstracts of Frederick County [Virginia] Orders, Book 1, 1742-1745": > > > . . . . > > > Friday 10th May 1745, p. 353: > > > Wm Griftiths v Richard Robins > > > In Assumpsit Deft Appearing at his motion, futher Imparlance Granted > > > until next Court. > > > . . . . > > > Wednesday 5th June 1745, p. 377: > > > Wm Griftiths v Richard Robins > > > In Assumpsit Deft pleaded he did not assume in Manner & form & plt > > > Joyning Issue, Tryal thereof referred until next Court. > > > . . . . > > > Wednesday 7th August 1745, p. 48: > > > William Griftiths v Richard Robins > > > In Assumpsit Suit Continued until next Court. > > > . . . . > > > [Ref.: FREDERICK FINDINGS, vol 8 #2 (summer 1995), p. 92; vol 9 #1 > > > (spring 1996), p. 48; vol 9 #4 (winter 1996), p. 261.] > > > >John, > > > >Given that both Richard & Joseph-3 was together in 1745 Frederick VA it > > > >appears they could be brothers? But Joseph-2 does not mention a son Richard > > > >in his 1709 will but refers to child not yet born. > > > > > > > >In 1751 Granville NC Richard has 3 tithes, himself, and sons Isaac & Jacob. > > > >His sons Isaac & Jacob has to be at least 16 yrs of age, thus born by 1735. > > > >Since there are two sons age >16 we can safely assume the oldest born by > > > >1733. In 1733 Richard has to be at least of legal age 21, thus born > > > >1709 Could be the unborn child born 1709/1710 be Richard? > > > Robins Joseph Rowan County November 18 1754 Sons Joseph William and John Daughter Elenor Wife and Executrix Elenor Executor John Nation brother in law Witnesses AJ Smith Ch Nation* Richard Robins No probate > > > *Christopher Nation > > > > > > > Abstracts of Deeds of Rowan Co. North Carolina 1753-1785 > > > > > > > 9 Jan. 1761 Granville to Richard Robins for 10 sh. proc 640 acres in Rowan W. Lucas, W. Churton Provd; Oct Court 1762 > > > 10 Sept 1764 Richard Robins to James Davis for f 100 proc 640 > > > acres on Muddy Creek of Deep River, Christopher Nation, Samuel, > > > Ozbun, Prvd; Oct. Court 1766. > > > 11Feb 1769 Richard Robins, Sr. to Richard Robins, Jr. for f40 an improvement on Abbotts Creek called Hunts Fork and livestock Christopher Nation Prvd. May Court 1769. > > > Misc Land Office Lord Granville > > > Richard Robins plat dated 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan Co. on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deed River on both sides of the branch of the said creek CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrent > > > Dated 1 Dec 1753 > > > . > > > 1790 census Randolph Co., NC, (taken from online abstract): by John German > > > 79 Robbins Christopher 1 2 5 0 0 > > > 80 Robbins John 1 6 2 0 0 > > > 745 Robbins Joseph 1 3 2 0 0 > > > 844 Robbins Joseph 1 0 1 0 0 > > > 1117 Robbins John 1 4 6 0 3 > > > 1119 Robbins William 3 0 8 1 9 > > > 1120 Robbins Moses 1 1 2 0 1 > > > 1125 Robbins Isaac 3 3 5 0 0 > > > 1148 Robbins James 3 2 2 0 0 > > > 1152 Robbins Joshua 1 0 2 0 0 ?? > > > A List of Tythables on Dan River for the Year 1751 > > > Granville County North Carolina > Richard, Isaac, Jacob-3 sons of Richard > Isaac and Jacob at least 16 years old births 1735 > > > > > > These records were found in the walls of the old Court House when work was being done in 1944. They were in very bad condition. Copied by William D. Kissiah, they are bound in two volumes of HISTORICAL RECORDS. > > > Taxable Persons in Rowan Co., NC 1759 > > > Armfield, Isaac Armfield, Isaac Armfield, William > > > Hackett, Daniel > > > Lamb, Manash Lamb, Robert > > > Robins, Josiah Robins, William Robins, John > > > Robins, Richard Robins, Matthew Robins, William > > > Vickry, John Vickry, Marmaduke > > > List of Taxables taken by Thomas Stilwell 1761 > > > Armfield, Isaac, Sr. & son Thomas , Armfield, William > > > Lamb, Elizabeth & son Jacob & 2 negroes Lamb, Thomas > > > Nation, John & sons John & Joseph ,Nation, Christopher > > > Robins, William Robins, Isaac Robins, Mathias > > > Robins, Richard & Mickel(Michael) Robin Robbins, William > > > Vickrey, John , Vickrey, Marmaduke & son Christopher > > > Swem, Michael SB Swaim > > > List of Taxables taken by Arthur Oneale Oct. 20, 1761 > > > Waggoner, Jacob > > > List of Taxables taken by Michael Brown (date unknown) > > > > > > Tucker, Geroge Lamb, Manasah > > > Tax List (date unknown) > > > Vickery, (Vickrey) Marmaduke Vickrey, Christopher Vickrey, John > > > Swim, Adam, Swim, John > > > Tax List (date unknown) > > > Nation, Christopher & son John & Thomas Nation, John Nation, Joseph > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:955 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-27 18:08:58 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] SOURCES FOR RICHARD ROBBINS Message: Jerry, Thank you for sharing your notes & Johnâs comments. Itâs good to have it posted so everybody can review it. John G. extracted all the records for the NC Robins, Robbins that he could find. He left no stone unturned. Unl ike other lines there wasnât enough to put all the pieces in place for the early generations in NC. Therefore as we have discussed DNA continues to be important. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 5:09 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] SOURCES FOR RICHARD ROBBINS I may have shared these notes before on the Robbins of Rowan Co NC and a few statements of John Garman Research notes and comments on Richard Robbins not all proven. Research only; Research of Richard Robbins and Joseph Robbins, Jr of Rowan NC from 1750 to 1770 and Randolph Co. North Carolina.Sister Bethiah Robbins m/ John Nation. Richard Robbins b/ 1709 possible unborn son of Joseph Robbins and Hannah Anna Packe and brother to Joseph Jr who died in Rowan in 1754. Richard Robbins fatherless at birth grew up in New Jersey and no doubt came to Virginia where his brother Joseph and Sister Bethiah, who had married John Nation in New Jersey had migrated to Virginia. They all end up in Rowan Co before 1754, Rowan was formed from Anson Co in 1753. A Richard Rob bins married Anne Race on 21 Mar 1728 in Monmouth, New Jersey. Is this the Richard that appear in Frederick Co Virginia then Rowan. There is enough good circumstantial evidence that proves the family connections of these Robbins of Rowan Co NC and the DNA evidence of the descendants of Richard matching to Daniel Robbins of New Jersey.. Marriage Records New Jersey Zachariah Robbins married Mary Clayton about 1730 in Monmouth, New Jersey. These were the daughters of Zebulon Clayton. Zebulon Clayton was Adm to the Will of Joseph Robbins and Anne Packe and had sold land to Joseph Robbins. Richard Robbins spouse; Anne Race New Jersey, County Marriages, 1682-1956 marriage: 21 March 1729 Monmouth, New Jersey, United States Joseph Robins New Jersey, County Marriages, 1682-1956 marriage: 29 March 1732 Monmouth, New Jersey, United States spouse:Leah Clayton Daughter of Moses Robbins son of Daniel Sarah Robins possible daughter of Nathaniel Robbins son of Daniel New Jersey, County Marriages, 1682-1956 marriage: 8 August 1728 Monmouth, New Jersey, United States spouse:Cornelius Everingham Marriages to 1825 Rowan Co North Carolina Richard Robbins to Margaret Anderson 26 March 1765 bm Christopher Nation Ann Robbins to William Swaim 27 April 1765, bm, Jonathan Robbins, William Ledford Isabell Robins to William Livington 22 Sept 1767 bm Hugh Montgomery Abraham Inniard to Rachel Swaim 15 Feb 1769 bm Mathias and Jonathan Robbins Mary Ledford to Mark Lot 28 Aug 1769, daughter of John Ledford, grandaughter of William. Mark Lot was in Tax list with Jonathan Robbins 1768 William Spurgin, Dist. Taxpayers of North Carolina 1679 1790 1701-1786 Richard Sr 1759 1761 1768 1770 William, 1758 1759 1761 1768 1770 Elisha(land deeds only) Isaac, 1761-1768 Jacob 1768 1770 James, 1768 1770 John 1759 1770 Richard, Jr,1758 Michael 1761 1768 1770 Mathais, 1761 1770 Jonathan 1770 Joseph, Jr son of Joseph d/ 1754 -1758 1768 1779 William w/son John 1768 1770 - brother to Joseph These are the sons of Joseph Robbins who died in 1754 per Will ã Originally, Rowan County was a vast territory with an indefinite western boundary. Reductions in its extent began in 1770, when the eastern part of it was combined with the western part of Orange County to become Guilfo rd County, North Carolina. In 1771 The Granville District of NC 1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Grants Vol 3 by Margret M. Hofmann Marmaduke Vickery 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of deep river joining a bent of yer river /s/ mark W. Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 1757 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins. W.Churton, Survr Abstracts of The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions Rowan NC 1763-1774 by Jo White Linn 20 July 1768 Anthory White vs Peter Johnson' ;Jury ;Jacob and Mathias Robbins ,John Bryant William Satterwhite and Comp/ vs Thomas Bryant; Jury Jacob and Mathias Robbins, John Bryant 12 July 1764 Solomon Spanks vs Robert Elrode; Jury Jon Swim,Wm Robins 9 Oct 1765-Ordered that a road be layed out as follows beg at Senter Meeting house leading down though Polecat Settlement into a road already land out through Orange Co to Cape Fear and that the former road laid out the same acc, to answer the same purpose be dismuld and make void and the following Jury lay off the same acc. to law and make returns theretofore to Wit; John Nation, Sr., Benj Beeson, Joseph Lamb, Thomas Lamb,John Nation, Jr Marmaduke Vickery and Wm Robins b e overseeer 5 July 1766 Lease and Release from Richard Robins to James Davis for 640 acres Sept 10-11 1766 proved by Christopher Nation. 14 Jan. 1768 John Mitchell vs Machael Young Jury Wm Robins, +others 16 Jan 1768- Road overseers apptd John Stone from Center Meeting House to County line instead of Wm Robbins John Ward instead of Jos Robins Richard Green. Mar 1768 From John Robins and wife to Wm Robins for 202 acres 15-16 Feb 1768 proved by Wm Millican 21 July 1768- John Mitchell vs Robert Pearis Jury; Mathias and Jacob Robins+others Bill of Sale from Richard Robins, Sr to Jr 11 Feb 1769 proved by Chas McAnally Deed From Wm Reynolds and wife to David Lewis for 15 acres 4 May 1769 proved by Christopher Nation. Jacob Robins is insolvent but is freed acc to Act Assembly in case of Edmond Fanning and Jessey Henley against him. 9 May 1770 Jonathan Robbins appt Constable instead of James Billingsley Deed From Joseph Robbins and wf to Abam Woodward for 202 acres 1 Apr 1770 Deed From Wm Robbins to Victor Thompson for 200 acres 7 Mar 1770 The Granville District of North Carolina-1748-1763 Abstracts of Land Records, Volume 3 by Margaret M. Hofmann. 4798- Christopher Nation, 11 May 1757 216 acres in Rowan Co in the Pariah of St Luke on both sides of Polcat Creek, joining Marmaduke Kimborough s/ Christopher Nation, Wits; W. Churton, John McGee, surveyed 30 April 175 4 William Thorbrough, Edward Thornbrough, Jas Carter Dep Survr 4799- John Nation 23 May 1758 401 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of Polecat Creek, joining Harmon Cox Bullars line and both sides of the middle fork of the said Creek s/ John Nation Wits; W.Chu rton, John Long, entered 21 Feb 1757 surveyed 31 Aug 1757 SCC; Christopher Nation, William Robins, W Churton Survr Plat reads a tract of land for Capt Nation. 4800- John Nation 22 Feb 1759 260 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St. Luke on the middle ground between polecat creek and deep river and ye branches of both ye waters, joining a cleft of Small rocks s/ mark Wits; W. Chuston, William Robins, entered 7 Feb 1753 by Elisha Robins surveyed 27 July 1756 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Isaac. 4930- William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 562 acres in Rowan in the Parish of St Luke on the south branch of Muddy Creek which is the water of Deep river joining a branch and both sides of ye main Branch s/ mark Wits; Jas Watson, George Herndon, examined by W. Churton and Wm Matthews surveyed 25 Aug 1756 SCC; Isaac Robins, Michal Robbins 4943-Marmaduke Vickry 22 Feb 1759 151 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke on both sides of the deep River joining a bent of ye River s/ mark Wits; W Churton, William Robins, entered 14 May 1757 surveyed 1 Sept 17 57 SCC; Richard Robins, Elisha Robins, W. Churton survr. 4859-Richard Robins 9 Jan 1761 640 acres in Rowan Co in the Parish of St Luke s/ Richard Robins Wits W. Churton, John McGee examined by Wm Matthews and W. Chuston. Plat is missing. Abstracts of the Deeds of Rowan, North Carolina 1754-1785 Vols 1-106;161. 11 Sept 1764 Thomas Lamb shopkeeper and wife Sarah to Henry Powell for f12 proc. 126 acres Adj. Benjamin Beeson Henry Powell and Joseph Camess gr anted by Granville 21 Dec 1764 Christopher Nation, Richard Robins Proved July Court 1765 Randolph Co North Carolina Land Warrents 1778-1948 Isaac Robbins Sr., 100 acres warrent # 119 issued Mar 29, 1797by Emaley Parke to Isaac Robins for 100 acres on waters of Caraway Creek joins his own line on E. And West runs S E and entered Aug 9, 1796 #136 Dec 2 1796 I saac Robins paid fo.50 for 100 acres in entry #119. John Haywood, Paid Treasurer 100 acres surveyed Mar31, 1797 by William Love, Ezekiel Robbins and Richard Robbins, chain carrier Jon Swaim, Jr 50 ac warrent #505 issued May 14 1799 by Emsley Parke to John Swaim for 50 ac on water of Deep R begans at Joh Swaim Sr's SW corner and entered Aug 22, 1798 #177Aug 14 1799 John Swaim pais f0.25 for 50ac i n entry #505signed L. Toole for John Haywood P. Treasurer 50 ac surveyed by Josrph Elliott James Swaney and William Dennis chain carriers grant #1231 isued Aug 14 , 1799. Joseph Macy 630 acres warret #154 issued Mar 15 1786 Quaker style date by Sam Millihan to Joseph Macy for 630 acres on Potlecat Cr waters begins at William Robbins SE corner runs W , s and entered Dec14, 1785; 630 acres sureyed May 1 1786 by Sam Millikas; William Robbins and Joseph Nation chain carriers grant #464 issued Aug 18 1787. William Swaim 100 acres warrent #687 issued Oct 27 1800 by Emsley Parke to William Swaim for 100 ac water of Deep R begains on John Swaim's East line and entered Mar 3 1800; Dec 1, 1800 ;William Swaim has paid purchase money for 100 ac entry #687 signed J. Craven comptroller; 100 ac surveyed Nov 7 1800 by Joseph Elliott; Daniel Robins and Christopher Swaim chain carriers Christopher Robbins 580 acres warrent #207 issued Jan 18 1787 to Christopher Robbins for 580 acres on Polecat Cr waters begain at Josph Macy's corner white oak joins Bernard Nation, Vicory and entered Oct 7 1786; 580 ac surveyed Oct 25 1787 by Sam Millikan. Jos Nation and Daniel Robbins grant#532 issued May 18 1789. Deeds from Henry McMullch proved by John Frohock To John Robbins for 302 acres 15 Feb 1763 To Joseph Robbins for 303 acres 16 Feb 1763 To William Robbins for 200 acres 14 Feb 1763 Some research notes of the Late John German; Robbins Family Genealogy Forum 6908 In 1999 Mr. John Nelson Robbins of Washington, DC, made a trip to Swansea and wrote of his disappointment, "I found nothing in Swansea at the Family Research Center though there were several Robins/Robbins in their reco rds, no Richard, Isaac or Ian. I looked at the Ilston Book at their archives, a listing of members of a secret Baptist church in Swansea during the 17th and 18th centuries and still found nothing." John Garman Research; STATEMENT QUESTION; Richard Robbins was born abt. 1712 near Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales. He married Anna Parsons. All of his children were born in Wales. What makes you think they are not from Wales? Aside from an unreliable tradition, no one has ever offered a single shred of evidence that Richard Robbins or his children were from Wales or even of his wife's name. By evidence I mean a primary government or church d ocument, a private Bible or other such ancient family record, or even a citing of a preserved and believable oral source. Then there is the suspicious claim by the Welsh adherents that Richard was not related to Joseph Robins from New Jersey not withstanding that Richard witnessed his will. The Welsh adherents also claimed Richard Robbins arrived in NC from Wales in the 1750s but there is record of Richard Robbins in Frederick Co., VA , in 1745; Joseph Robbins was also in that county at that time. Then Mrs. Lehman tried to feed me a nonsensical story about three mysterious sisters who had gone to Wales and put together the genealogy and made a pact w ith each other to never reveal their sources - BALONEY! This same lame story is used by J.M. when his genealogy is challenged. Serious research has uncovered big errors such as Jacob being a supposed son of Elisha when in fact the 1750 and 1751 Dan River tax lists are evidence of Jacob being a son of Richard; many other names on these lists can also be traced back to Frederick Co., VA. There is the clam that Loyalist captain Michael w as killed, but he survived the war and fled prosecution in NC by moving to SC. Another great big error was the combining of two James Robbins into a single person. By-the-way, descendants of the James who married Elizab eth Yount started a tradition that he was from Germany - its obvious that error was started by confusion with the Yount ancestry. Now we have the DNA evidence that descendants of Richard share a common ancestry with des cendants of Daniel of Scotland who was the grandfather of Joseph. Richard is thus probably another grandson of Daniel who moved with Joseph to Frederick Co., VA, and then on to Rowan (now Randolph) Co., NC. A stake has been driven through the hearts of the Welsh story and Richard's fictional ancestry. "if there is any info known on Ian Robbins b. 1650, Issac b. 1670-80, or Elisha b. 1704 in Swansea, and Jacob b. 1738. . . . Additionally, there wives were Mary McGray b. 1650, Sarah McGray b. 1675, and Mary Wade b.unknown. Jacob's wife, Mary Wells, was born in North Carolina." Nobody has ever offered any evidence that the above Ian and Isaac Robbins are even real people let alone proven their connection to any American Robbins family. The only source that has ever been cited is an invisable research summary by three mythical women who went to Wales and made a pact to never reveal their sources - and by the way nobody knows where that summary is today either. In other words, I believe this genealogy is a hoax. Interesting, and undoubtedly controversial, are the test results of DNA samples from two descendants of Richard Robbins (b. c1710) of Rowan Co., NC. An unavoidable conclusion is that the providers of these samples share a common ancestor with tested descendants of Daniel Robins (b. c1627 Scotland - d. 1714 New Jersey). Richard Robbins witnessed the 1754 will of Joseph Robins Jr., a grandson of Daniel Robins. Hopefully, the genetic mat ch with the New Jersey family will stimulate an interest in new research. As I interpret this 1751 list, I see a Richard Robbins is paying taxes for himself as well as for a Jacob Robbins and an Isaac Robbins. The taxable age at that time started at age 16 thus burdening fathers with additional taxes. Other names on this list appear in Rowan Co. court records suggesting this party of Robbins is also in what became Rowan (now Randolph) Co. Thus it seems we have evidence that Richard was the father of Jacob and Isaac. The evidence in the 1751 tax list is similar to the 1761 tax list of Rowan Co. used to support placing Michael Robbins as a son of Richard Robbins. This is very contrary to the recycled undocumented genealogies claiming Jacob was a son of Elisha I have found evidence of Richard Robbins in Frederick Co., VA, where Joseph Robins and his brother-in-law John Nation lived before moving to NC. Other names in these records are also found in NC along with Richard Robbins in the 1751 Dan River tax list. "Abstracts of Frederick County [Virginia] Orders, Book 1, 1742-1745": . . . . Friday 10th May 1745, p. 353: Wm Griftiths v Richard Robins In Assumpsit Deft Appearing at his motion, futher Imparlance Granted until next Court. . . . . Wednesday 5th June 1745, p. 377: Wm Griftiths v Richard Robins In Assumpsit Deft pleaded he did not assume in Manner & form & plt Joyning Issue, Tryal thereof referred until next Court. . . . . Wednesday 7th August 1745, p. 48: William Griftiths v Richard Robins In Assumpsit Suit Continued until next Court. . . . . [Ref.: FREDERICK FINDINGS, vol 8 #2 (summer 1995), p. 92; vol 9 #1 (spring 1996), p. 48; vol 9 #4 (winter 1996), p. 261.] >John, >Given that both Richard & Joseph-3 was together in 1745 Frederick VA it >appears they could be brothers? But Joseph-2 does not mention a son Richard >in his 1709 will but refers to child not yet born. > >In 1751 Granville NC Richard has 3 tithes, himself, and sons Isaac & Jacob. >His sons Isaac & Jacob has to be at least 16 yrs of age, thus born by 1735. >Since there are two sons age >16 we can safely assume the oldest born by >1733. In 1733 Richard has to be at least of legal age 21, thus born >1709 Could be the unborn child born 1709/1710 be Richard? Robins Joseph Rowan County November 18 1754 Sons Joseph William and John Daughter Elenor Wife and Executrix Elenor Executor John Nation brother in law Witnesses AJ Smith Ch Nation* Richard Robins No probate *Christopher Nation Abstracts of Deeds of Rowan Co. North Carolina 1753-1785 9 Jan. 1761 Granville to Richard Robins for 10 sh. proc 640 acres in Rowan W. Lucas, W. Churton Provd; Oct Court 1762 10 Sept 1764 Richard Robins to James Davis for f 100 proc 640 acres on Muddy Creek of Deep River, Christopher Nation, Samuel, Ozbun, Prvd; Oct. Court 1766. 11Feb 1769 Richard Robins, Sr. to Richard Robins, Jr. for f40 an improvement on Abbotts Creek called Hunts Fork and livestock Christopher Nation Prvd. May Court 1769. Misc Land Office Lord Granville Richard Robins plat dated 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan Co. on both sides of Muddy Creek of Deed River on both sides of the branch of the said creek CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrent Dated 1 Dec 1753 . 1790 census Randolph Co., NC, (taken from online abstract): by John German 79 Robbins Christopher 1 2 5 0 0 80 Robbins John 1 6 2 0 0 745 Robbins Joseph 1 3 2 0 0 844 Robbins Joseph 1 0 1 0 0 1117 Robbins John 1 4 6 0 3 1119 Robbins William 3 0 8 1 9 1120 Robbins Moses 1 1 2 0 1 1125 Robbins Isaac 3 3 5 0 0 1148 Robbins James 3 2 2 0 0 1152 Robbins Joshua 1 0 2 0 0 ?? A List of Tythables on Dan River for the Year 1751 Granville County North Carolina Richard, Isaac, Jacob-3 sons of Richard Isaac and Jacob at least 16 years old births 1735 These records were found in the walls of the old Court House when work was being done in 1944. They were in very bad condition. Copied by William D. Kissiah, they are bound in two volumes of HISTORICAL RECORDS. Taxable Persons in Rowan Co., NC 1759 Armfield, Isaac Armfield, Isaac Armfield, William Hackett, Daniel Lamb, Manash Lamb, Robert Robins, Josiah Robins, William Robins, John Robins, Richard Robins, Matthew Robins, William Vickry, John Vickry, Marmaduke List of Taxables taken by Thomas Stilwell 1761 Armfield, Isaac, Sr. & son Thomas , Armfield, William Lamb, Elizabeth & son Jacob & 2 negroes Lamb, Thomas Nation, John & sons John & Joseph ,Nation, Christopher Robins, William Robins, Isaac Robins, Mathias Robins, Richard & Mickel(Michael) Robin Robbins, William Vickrey, John , Vickrey, Marmaduke & son Christopher Swem, Michael SB Swaim List of Taxables taken by Arthur Oneale Oct. 20, 1761 Waggoner, Jacob List of Taxables taken by Michael Brown (date unknown) Tucker, Geroge Lamb, Manasah Tax List (date unknown) Vickery, (Vickrey) Marmaduke Vickrey, Christopher Vickrey, John Swim, Adam, Swim, John Tax List (date unknown) Nation, Christopher & son John & Thomas Nation, John Nation, Joseph ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:956 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 07:29:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins Message: Sara, I looked up the "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Chatacter". In the search bar of the book, I tried all spelling of Robins and got no results.....Then I just put in "Michael". Up it came. When you click on t he first mention of Michael Robins...make sure you read that page and the next one where he is called Robins with no first name. There is also a second reference in the book. It says he went to the frontiers of GA, Reco rds indicate he stopped short of the border and was in SC. Thanks for the book. I had not seen it before. Caroline ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Caroline, > "The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & S ketches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book. > Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:957 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 10:17:01 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: To say that none of the Robins/Robbins lines in NC have a good paper trail is an understatement. I have nothing on Anna Parsons other than the name. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 5:38 PM Chris,I never involved myself with the southern Robins controversy. It went on for many years. After Johnâs DNA project was circulated, it appears to have died down. It was a real victory for John. It looks to me like none of the lines from the Robins of NC have a very good paper trail & if it wasnât for DNA their NJ connection would have never been confirmed. I have files on these people from other researchers mostly unsourced so have no idea how accurate a lot of it may be. I appreciate your help with my questions. The wife of Richard Robins is said to be Anna Parsons. I havenât found a source for her name but maybe there is one. Do you know?  John G. & I had discussed the possibility that Richard Robins who married Ann Race in Burlington Co., NJ on 3-21-1729 was your Richard. Also he didnât rule out the possibility that Richard was the son of another Daniel son & not Joseph. Although Joseph Robins, Sr. appears to be the most logical father, I agree it isnât a definite match.                                                                                                              Sara  From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:07 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC   John German and I could never figure out why so many Robins/Robbins researchers insisted on the two family theory with one family being from Wales. Even had one, Barbra Trujillo, say she had been to Wales and found proof - which she never shared. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 1:58 PM Chris,I appreciate your input as a proven descendant of the Richard Robins b. 1709 of NC. Iâve had several interesting phone conversations over the years with Mrs. Lehman. However, I really never figured out her Robbins vs Robins theory. She was so adamant that it was accurate. Thank you for letting me know the ROBBINS & ROBINS families of Randolph Co. of NC are one & the same family.                                                                                                             Sa ra  From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC   There were not two unrelated Robbins families in Rowan/Randolph Co, NC. Sarah Lehman is an adherant of the Wales theory. The last time I talked to her, I told her that DNA testing proved we were not from Wales. Her response was that she did not know what DNA was and didn't want to knos. She then hung up and never called again. John German battled the two family thing to the end. The reason for the one B & two BB spellings was that most could not spell and the spelling of the name depended on how the person doing the name thought it should be spelled. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 12:15 PM   Chris, You mentioned in a previous post that Sarah Robbins Lehman is a "cousin". Were there two unrelated families in Randolph Co. NC identified as the one "B" Robins & the two "BB" Robbins?  Sarah Robbins Lehman told me she is from the ROBBINS of NC & not related to the ROBINS of NC who came there from NJ. According to Mrs. Lehman the ROBINS were criminals & low life folks. I'm curious if you know or any other group member knows if this is accurate? I'm not inquiring about Mrs. Lehman's claim regarding the criminal element because that's another subject. Is there a blood relationship between the ROBINS & ROBBINS families or are they the same group using a different name spelling?  Is it possible she is correct & the Obedience Robins family or another unrelated Robbins family migrated to the same area as the Joseph Robins, Jr. & Richard Robins? Any DNA results to show another Robbins or Robins in the mix?                                    Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:958 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 10:23:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens Message: Ssra, Michael Robins is mentioned on pg 86 & 87 in the Caruthers book. He and Col Fanning burned by SAR patriot's (John Herndon)house in Orange Co, NC, twice. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 6:55 PM Caroline,"The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book.                                   Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:959 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 10:28:49 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins/Robbins Message: I have very little on Michael - Sorry Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins/Robbins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 8:15 PM  Sara, I am both spellings so no worry. Legal name Carolyn but my father called me Caroline and it stuck. Either is good for me. As for Michael Robins, (Tory) he is listed in the pension application of a couple of Rev. soldiers. He seems to have been very active in NC. I think Chris and Richard have a lot of info on him. Perhaps they will share. Thanks for all you do...Caroline (Carolyn Eugenia Painter Gilleece) :)) ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Carolyn, > > I apologize for spelling your name as Caroline & not Carolyn in my last post to you. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:56 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens > > > > > > Caroline, > > "The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book. > > Sara > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:960 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 10:50:25 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins Message: Carolyn, I followed your directions for the Rev. Eli Caruthers book & found Michael Robins mentioned on pages 348, 350, 351 & 358. His name is spelled Robins & in another place Robbins. In Capt. Fanningâs narrative he was Michae l Robens. Thereâs an interesting quote in the Rev. Caruthers book, pg. 351, â Robins is said to have been a man of daring character; but he was sagacious enough to know what must soon be the consequences, and, like most other men, he regarded self-preservation as the first law of nature. After skulking about for a few days, or a very short time, he âcut outâ with his family, went to the frontiers of Georgia and never returned.â Another reference states Michael Robbins was skulking about when Capt. Clarke shot at him with his pistol and missed. From this record we are able to document an early Robbins familyâs move from Randolph Co. to Georgia around 1782. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:29 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins Sara, I looked up the "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Chatacter". In the search bar of the book, I tried all spelling of Robins and got no results.....Then I just put in "Michael". Up it came. When you click on t he first mention of Michael Robins...make sure you read that page and the next one where he is called Robins with no first name. There is also a second reference in the book. It says he went to the frontiers of GA, Reco rds indicate he stopped short of the border and was in SC. Thanks for the book. I had not seen it before. Caroline ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Caroline, > "The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & Sk etches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book. > Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:961 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 10:52:11 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins Message: John G said that he eventually ended up in Greenville, SC. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 6/28/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 28, 2014, 1:50 PM  Carolyn,I followed your directions for the Rev. Eli Caruthers book & found Michael Robins mentioned on pages 348, 350, 351 & 358. His name is spelled Robins & in another place Robbins. In Capt. Fanningâs narrative he was Michael Robens. Thereâs an interesting quote in the Rev. Caruthers book, pg. 351,â Robins is said to have been a man of daring character; but he was sagacious enough to know what must soon be the consequences, and, like most other men, he regarded self-preservation as the first law of nature. After skulking about for a few days, or a very short time, he âcut outâ with his family, went to the frontiers of Georgia and never returned.âAnother reference states Michael Robbins was skulking about when Capt. Clarke shot at him with his pistol and missed. From this record we are able to document an early Robbins familyâs move from Randolph Co. to  Georgia around 1782.                                                                                                                 Sara   From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:29 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins   Sara, I looked up the "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Chatacter". In the search bar of the book, I tried all spelling of Robins and got no results.....Then I just put in "Michael". Up it came. When you click on the first mention of Michael Robins...make sure you read that page and the next one where he is called Robins with no first name. There is also a second reference in the book. It says he went to the frontiers of GA, Records indicate he stopped short of the border and was in SC. Thanks for the book. I had not seen it before. Caroline ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Caroline, > "The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book. > Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:962 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 10:53:27 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC Message: Chris, Sometimes a shred of truth may be hidden in the fictional family stories. I thought if the first name of Richardâs wife was Anna or Ann then it was possible she was Ann Race not Parsons. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:17 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To say that none of the Robins/Robbins lines in NC have a good paper trail is an understatement. I have nothing on Anna Parsons other than the name. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 5:38 PM Chris,I never involved myself with the southern Robins controversy. It went on for many years. After Johnâs DNA project was circulated, it appears to have died down. It was a real victory for John. It looks to me like none of the lines from the Robins of NC have a very good paper trail & if it wasnât for DNA their NJ connection would have never been confirmed. I have files on these people from other researchers mostly unsourced so have no idea how accurate a lot of it may be. I appreciate your help with my questions. The wife of Richard Robins is said to be Anna Parsons. I havenât found a source for her name but maybe there is one. Do you know? John G. & I had discussed the possibility that Richard Robins who married Ann Race in Burlington Co., NJ on 3-21-1729 was your Richard. Also he didnât rule out the possibility that Richard was the son of another Daniel son & not Joseph. Although Joseph Robins, Sr. appears to be the most logical father, I agree it isnât a definite match. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:07 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC John German and I could never figure out why so many Robins/Robbins researchers insisted on the two family theory with one family being from Wales. Even had one, Barbra Trujillo, say she had been to Wales and found proof - which she never shared. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 1:58 PM Chris,I appreciate your input as a proven descendant of the Richard Robins b. 1709 of NC. Iâve had several interesting phone conversations over the years with Mrs. Lehman. However, I really never figured out her Robbins vs Robins theory. She was so adamant that it was accurate. Thank you for letting me know the ROBBINS & ROBINS families of Randolph Co. of NC are one & the same family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC There were not two unrelated Robbins families in Rowan/Randolph Co, NC. Sarah Lehman is an adherant of the Wales theory. The last time I talked to her, I told her that DNA testing proved we were not from Wales. Her response was that she did not know what DNA was and didn't want to knos. She then hung up and never called again. John German battled the two family thing to the end. The reason for the one B & two BB spellings was that most could not spell and the spelling of the name depended on how the person doing the name thought it should be spelled. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 6/27/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Questions on the Robins & Robbins Families of NC To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2014, 12:15 PM Chris, You mentioned in a previous post that Sarah Robbins Lehman is a "cousin". Were there two unrelated families in Randolph Co. NC identified as the one "B" Robins & the two "BB" Robbins? Sarah Robbins Lehman told me she is from the ROBBINS of NC & not related to the ROBINS of NC who came there from NJ. According to Mrs. Lehman the ROBINS were criminals & low life folks. I'm curious if you know or any other group member knows if this is accurate? I'm not inquiring about Mrs. Lehman's claim regarding the criminal element because that's another subject. Is there a blood relationship between the ROBINS & ROBBINS families or are they the same group using a different name spelling? Is it possible she is correct & the Obedience Robins family or another unrelated Robbins family migrated to the same area as the Joseph Robins, Jr. & Richard Robins? Any DNA results to show another Robbins or Robins in the mix? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:963 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 10:55:04 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins Message: Chris, Are you referring to Michael Robins who ended up in Greenville, SC? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:52 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins John G said that he eventually ended up in Greenville, SC. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 6/28/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 28, 2014, 1:50 PM Carolyn,I followed your directions for the Rev. Eli Caruthers book & found Michael Robins mentioned on pages 348, 350, 351 & 358. His name is spelled Robins & in another place Robbins. In Capt. Fanningâs narrative he was Michael Robens. Thereâs an interesting quote in the Rev. Caruthers book, pg. 351,â Robins is said to have been a man of daring character; but he was sagacious enough to know what must soon be the consequences, and, like most other men, he regarded self-preservation as the first law of nature. After skulking about for a few days, or a very short time, he âcut outâ with his family, went to the frontiers of Georgia and never returned.âAnother reference states Michael Robbins was skulking about when Capt. Clarke shot at him with his pistol and missed. From this record we are able to document an early Robbins familyâs move from Randolph Co. to Georgia around 1782. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:29 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins Sara, I looked up the "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Chatacter". In the search bar of the book, I tried all spelling of Robins and got no results.....Then I just put in "Michael". Up it came. When you click on the first mention of Michael Robins...make sure you read that page and the next one where he is called Robins with no first name. There is also a second reference in the book. It says he went to the frontiers of GA, Records indicate he stopped short of the border and was in SC. Thanks for the book. I had not seen it before. Caroline ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Caroline, > "The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book. > Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:964 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 11:07:34 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins Message: Michael Robins did not actually go to GA. He is shown to be in Greenville district of South Carolina. His will was probated there. CG ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Carolyn, > > I followed your directions for the Rev. Eli Caruthers book & found Michael Robins mentioned on pages 348, 350, 351 & 358. His name is spelled Robins & in another place Robbins. In Capt. Fanningâs narrative he was Mich ael Robens. Thereâs an interesting quote in the Rev. Caruthers book, pg. 351, > > â Robins is said to have been a man of daring character; but he was sagacious enough to know what must soon be the consequences, and, like most other men, he regarded self-preservation as the first law of nature. Afte r skulking about for a few days, or a very short time, he âcut outâ with his family, went to the frontiers of Georgia and never returned.â > > Another reference states Michael Robbins was skulking about when Capt. Clarke shot at him with his pistol and missed. > > From this record we are able to document an early Robbins familyâs move from Randolph Co. to Georgia around 1782. > > Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:29 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins > > > > > > Sara, I looked up the "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Chatacter". In the search bar of the book, I tried all spelling of Robins and got no results.....Then I just put in "Michael". Up it came. When you click on the first mention of Michael Robins...make sure you read that page and the next one where he is called Robins with no first name. There is also a second reference in the book. It says he went to the frontiers of GA, Re cords indicate he stopped short of the border and was in SC. Thanks for the book. I had not seen it before. Caroline > > ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > Caroline, > > "The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book. > > Sara > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:965 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 11:18:25 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins Message: Carolyn, Did Capt. Michael Robins just say he was going to GA to throw them off his track & instead went to SC? Just kidding. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 11:08 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins Michael Robins did not actually go to GA. He is shown to be in Greenville district of South Carolina. His will was probated there. CG ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Carolyn, > > I followed your directions for the Rev. Eli Caruthers book & found Michael Robins mentioned on pages 348, 350, 351 & 358. His name is spelled Robins & in another place Robbins. In Capt. Fanningâs narrative he was Mich ael Robens. Thereâs an interesting quote in the Rev. Caruthers book, pg. 351, > > â Robins is said to have been a man of daring character; but he was sagacious enough to know what must soon be the consequences, and, like most other men, he regarded self-preservation as the first law of nature. Afte r skulking about for a few days, or a very short time, he âcut outâ with his family, went to the frontiers of Georgia and never returned.â > > Another reference states Michael Robbins was skulking about when Capt. Clarke shot at him with his pistol and missed. > > From this record we are able to document an early Robbins familyâs move from Randolph Co. to Georgia around 1782. > > Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:29 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins > > > > > > Sara, I looked up the "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Chatacter". In the search bar of the book, I tried all spelling of Robins and got no results.....Then I just put in "Michael". Up it came. When you click on the first mention of Michael Robins...make sure you read that page and the next one where he is called Robins with no first name. There is also a second reference in the book. It says he went to the frontiers of GA, Re cords indicate he stopped short of the border and was in SC. Thanks for the book. I had not seen it before. Caroline > > ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > Caroline, > > "The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book. > > Sara > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:966 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 11:20:34 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins Message: Yes. -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 6/28/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 28, 2014, 1:55 PM  Chris,Are you referring to Michael Robins who ended up in Greenville, SC?                                                                  Sara  From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@...m] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:52 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins   John G said that he eventually ended up in Greenville, SC. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 6/28/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 28, 2014, 1:50 PM  Carolyn,I followed your directions for the Rev. Eli Caruthers book & found Michael Robins mentioned on pages 348, 350, 351 & 358. His name is spelled Robins & in another place Robbins. In Capt. Fanningâs narrative he was Michael Robens. Thereâs an interesting quote in the Rev. Caruthers book, pg. 351,â Robins is said to have been a man of daring character; but he was sagacious enough to know what must soon be the consequences, and, like most other men, he regarded self-preservation as the first law of nature. After skulking about for a few days, or a very short time, he âcut outâ with his family, went to the frontiers of Georgia and never returned.âAnother reference states Michael Robbins was skulking about when Capt. Clarke shot at him with his pistol and missed. From this record we are able to document an early Robbins familyâs move from Randolph Co. to  Georgia around 1782.                                                                                                                 Sara   From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:29 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Capt. Michael Robens/Robins   Sara, I looked up the "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Chatacter". In the search bar of the book, I tried all spelling of Robins and got no results.....Then I just put in "Michael". Up it came. When you click on the first mention of Michael Robins...make sure you read that page and the next one where he is called Robins with no first name. There is also a second reference in the book. It says he went to the frontiers of GA, Records indicate he stopped short of the border and was in SC. Thanks for the book. I had not seen it before. Caroline ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Caroline, > "The Narrative of Col. David Fanning" reprinted by Joseph Sabin NY 1865 lists Capt. Michael Robens as a commissioned officer from Randolph Co., NC. on pg. 20. The book by Eli W. Caruthers "Revolutionary Incidents & Sketches of Character" I found online too but couldn't locate Michael Robens in the book. > Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:967 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 12:07:51 Subject:ROBBINS Family at FTDNA Message: Shirley D. & Richard, I was looking at the Robbins FTDNA webpage. At the top of the page there is a reference to the" Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book with my name as sole author. Would one of you please see that John W. Taylor, Jr.'s name is added there too? I appreciate the fact my name was referenced but actually I'm the co-author. John Taylor was the author & when we did the book he insisted my name be first on the cover. I told John I didn't want it that way but he didn't listen to me & tha t's how he had it printed. John is gone but he won't be forgotten. He was very instrumental in promoting the Daniel Robins family research. Some of the older members who remember John know how privileged we were to have him in our group of researchers. John was a man of outstanding character, a true gentleman & a scholar. Thanks, Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:968 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 15:59:23 Subject:Re: ROBBINS Family at FTDNA Message: I will make sure that I incluse John as author, and then your name. This is only for the big Robins book, not the one that was the "exile" book, right? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:969 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 17:27:58 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: ROBBINS Family at FTDNA Message: Richard, Johnâs name goes only on theâ Robins, Robins of New Jerseyâ book. âThe Exile of Daniel Robinsâ is my work. Thank you so much for making the correction. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 3:59 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: ROBBINS Family at FTDNA I will make sure that I incluse John as author, and then your name. This is only for the big Robins book, not the one that was the "exile" book, right? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:970 Sender:merobbins336@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-28 22:20:13 Subject:Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV Message: Brian, This evening I was browsing through the Robbins Genweb Forum for the first time in years. I found the posts between yourself and Ernest Robbins, in October 2005. You pointed out that his John Robins b. 1797 was the gr andson of Daniel Robins and Sarah Leonard and g-grandson of Aaron Robins Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I am descended through the same John; though I have not corresponded with Ernest Robbins, I suspect that he would be the namesake of my g-grandfather Arthurâs brother Ernest, who moved west with their sister. I was astonished to find the connection you showed to Daniel and Hope through Aaron Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I donât know if I was more surprised to see the link or that it took so long to find the post. Do you recall any of the sources? Also, where is your connection, would you âinviteâ me to look at your Ancestry tree? I am anxious to become familiar with that family line. I have been trying to follow the posts here in this forum, and now perhaps I can review old posts and unscramble a bit. I look forward to hearing from you, and coming up with a new research plan. Mary Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:971 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2014-06-29 14:20:46 Subject:Fw: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV Message: On Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:17 AM, "merobbins336@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Brian, et. al.,  This evening I was browsing through the Robbins Genweb Forum for the first time in years. I found the posts between yourself and Ernest Robbins, in October 2005. You pointed out that his John Robins b. 1797 was the grandson of Daniel Robins and Sarah Leonard and g-grandson of Aaron Robins Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I am descended through the same John; though I have not corresponded with Ernest Robbins, I suspect that he would be the namesake of my g-grandfather Arthurâs brother Ernest, who moved west with their sister. I was astonished to find the connection you showed to Daniel and Hope through Aaron Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I donât know if I was more surprised to see the link or that it took so long to find the post. Do you recall any of the sources? Also, where is your connection, would you âinviteâ me to look at your Ancestry tree? I am anxious to become familiar with that family line. I have been trying to follow the posts here in this forum, and now perhaps I can review old posts and unscramble a bit. I look forward to hearing from you.  Mary Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:972 Sender:jerryscott572@... Post Date/Time:2014-06-29 19:21:55 Subject:The Planting of New Virginia: Settlement and Landscape in the Shenandoah Valley Message: Richard Robins buys 21/2 yards of blue broadcloth, 1/2 yards of broadcloth, 1/2 lbs soap Dec 18, 1746. This would be Fredericktown, VA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:973 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-06-30 16:02:20 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV Message: Mary, Aaron Robins, Sr. had no children by his second wife Elizabeth (mnu) who was the widow of John Arney. Elizabeth ? Arney left her estate to her adult Arney children with no mention of any Robins heirs. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:21 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List; South Jersey ROBINS/ROBBINS Mailing List Subject: Fw: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV On Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:17 AM, "merobbins336@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Brian, et. al., This evening I was browsing through the Robbins Genweb Forum for the first time in years. I found the posts between yourself and Ernest Robbins, in October 2005. You pointed out that his John Robins b. 1797 was the gra ndson of Daniel Robins and Sarah Leonard and g-grandson of Aaron Robins Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I am descended through the same John; though I have not corresponded with Ernest Robbins, I suspect that he would be the namesake of my g-grandfather Arthurâs brother Ernest, who moved west with their sister. I was astonished to find the connection you showed to Daniel and Hope through Aaron Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I donât know if I was more surprised to see the link or that it took so long to find the post. Do you recall any of the sources? Also, where is your connection, would you âinviteâ me to look at your Ancestry tree? I am anxious to become familiar with that family line. I have been trying to follow the posts here in this forum, and now perhaps I can review old posts and unscramble a bit. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:974 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-01 06:40:45 Subject:Pedigrees Message: I have been looking over some other surname projects for some "best practices" that could be used for our surname project. One useful tool seems to be the use of pedigree charts listing the male line in a surname projec t. This is an example of the pedigree being used on an external site from FTDNA. The World Families site has a page for this, but they seem to be rather invisible as far as surname projects in Google search goes. http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~allisonellisondna/pedigrees.htm http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~allisonellisondna/pedigrees.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:975 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-07-01 14:00:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA Message: Sara, Same here. Those links are the most direct way to access to the PDFs hosted by FamilySearch. On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 6:22 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Tod, > > Thanks so much. Iâm often asked how to view the books & where to go. > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:46 PM > > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA > > > > > > Sara, > > > > Yes, it's FamilySearch's collection of digitized genealogy books: > https://books.familysearch.org/ > > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 3:20 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Tod, > > How did the books get placed on these links? Are the links associated with > familysearch? > > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:10 PM > > > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA > > > > > > *Robins, Robbins of New Jersey* > > - https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE207469 > > > > *The exile of Daniel Robins to America in 1652* > > - https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE80391 > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:15 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Chris, > > The book is available online at familysearch.com under their book section. > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:14 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA > > > > > > Is the "Robins, Robbins of New Jersey" book still available? > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 6/22/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sponsoring FTDNA > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, June 22, 2014, 7:34 PM > > For new members who aren't aware of it. > The funds from the sale of the "Robins, Robbins of New > Jersey" book were used to sponsor FTDNA tests for > members who were unable to pay the fee or only pay part of > the fee. Possibly someone could think of another project in > order to collect enough money to sponsor some candidates. > Just a thought. > On another > topic. Genealogy News published an article today about > Ancestry being hacked on June 18th. Does anyone know what > hackers are looking for & how do they use the > information from a site like Ancestry? 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border-right:none !important; > } > #yiv4569460872 > > > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:976 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2014-07-06 07:31:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV Message: Sara, Thank you for the clarification here. The Daniel Robins I am trying to trace applied for a land grant in Fayette Co. Pa; the land was granted to William Robins. An archivist told me that was a bit unusual, and that perhaps Daniel had died before it was granted. The land was near New Geneva, and though my grandfather was born in New Geneva over one hundred years later, that land did not stay in the family but they are found living in Dunkard, (Greene), PA and Maidsville, (Monongaia) WV, in federal censuses. My great-grandfather and his father were potters or stonemasons, which may explain the attraction to this region. One the other hand I am not familiar with the Robins family in the Connellesville area, though there is a DNA link. Thanks again, I appreciate your input. Mary On Monday, June 30, 2014 7:02 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Mary, Aaron Robins, Sr. had no children by his second wife Elizabeth (mnu) who was the widow of John Arney. Elizabeth ? Arney left her estate to her adult  Arney children with no mention of any Robins heirs.                                                                                                         Sara  From:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:21 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List; South Jersey ROBINS/ROBBINS Mailing List Subject: Fw: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV     On Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:17 AM, "merobbins336@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:   Brian, et. al.,  This evening I was browsing through the Robbins Genweb Forum for the first time in years. I found the posts between yourself and Ernest Robbins, in October 2005. You pointed out that his John Robins b. 1797 was the gr andson of Daniel Robins and Sarah Leonard and g-grandson of Aaron Robins Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I am descended through the same John; though I have not corresponded with Ernest Robbins, I suspect that he would be the namesake of my g-grandfather Arthurâs brother Ernest, who moved west with their sister. I was astonished to find the connection you showed to Daniel and Hope through Aaron Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I donât know if I was more surprised to see the link or that it took so long to find the post. Do you recall any of the sources? Also, where is your connection, would you âinviteâ me to look at your Ancestry tree? I am anxious to become familiar with that family line. I have been trying to follow the posts here in this forum, and now perhaps I can review old posts and unscramble a bit. I look forward to hearing from you.  Mary Robbins   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:977 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-06 10:40:17 Subject:FTDNA results page. Message: I am going to send a mass e-mail to all participants in the Robbins surname study asking them what form that they think the Y-DNA results page should be in. As it is now, there are two groups, one which embodies the Dan iel Robins known and likely descendants, and one ungrouped. I'd like to propose that these results be sorted in a similar fashion to the results posted on the World Families site, seen here: http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/robbins/results?raw=1 http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/robbins/results?raw=1 The results that are different from the L-23 modal are not always unrelated, of course. Some may need further testing, to confirm the relationship. Those that have only tested 12 markers may need to order further tests to confirm the relationship, and these tests could be suggested to the project participants within the page, as this page suggests, for the HT35 project. If you are a Robbins Y DNA participant, this is a good project t o be involved with. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?section=yresults So, I'd like some input on the format of the results page, if you can. Also, I am wondering what to do with the people that are not matches in surname OR DNA. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:978 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-07-06 16:39:09 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV [2 Attachments] Message: Mary, Do you have a date for Daniel Robins who applied for the land grant in Fayette Co., PA? William Robins b. 1761 in Sussex Co., NJ & died 8-7-1837 in Carroll Co., OH had a son Daniel Robins born 6-21-1798 in Fayette Co., NJ. This line has a brick wall prior to William Robins but has been confirmed by DNA to be a Daniel Robins 1627-1714 descendant. The Connellesville, PA Robins/Robbins were stone masons. It appears it was a trade passed down from the time they lived in NJ & continued in PA. Brian Robbins connects to the NJ to Connellsville Robbins through Ephraim Robins b. abt. 1758. I think Brian is still a member but I know he isnât an active researcher right now due to the demands of his position in a major corporation. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2014 7:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilDaniel Robinsysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV [2 Attachments] Sara, Thank you for the clarification here. The Daniel Robins I am trying to trace applied for a land grant in Fayette Co. Pa; the land was granted to William Robins. An archivist told me that was a bit unusual, and that perh aps Daniel had died before it was granted. The land was near New Geneva, and though my grandfather was born in New Geneva over one hundred years later, that land did not stay in the family but they are found living in D unkard, (Greene), PA and Maidsville, (Monongaia) WV, in federal censuses. My great-grandfather and his father were potters or stonemasons, which may explain the attraction to this region. One the other hand I am not familiar with the Robins family in the Connellesville area, though there is a DNA link. Thanks again, I appreciate your input. Mary On Monday, June 30, 2014 7:02 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Mary, Aaron Robins, Sr. had no children by his second wife Elizabeth (mnu) who was the widow of John Arney. Elizabeth ? Arney left her estate to her adult Arney children with no mention of any Robins heirs. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:21 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List; South Jersey ROBINS/ROBBINS Mailing List Subject: Fw: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV On Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:17 AM, "merobbins336@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Brian, et. al., This evening I was browsing through the Robbins Genweb Forum for the first time in years. I found the posts between yourself and Ernest Robbins, in October 2005. You pointed out that his John Robins b. 1797 was the gra ndson of Daniel Robins and Sarah Leonard and g-grandson of Aaron Robins Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I am descended through the same John; though I have not corresponded with Ernest Robbins, I suspect that he would be the namesake of my g-grandfather Arthurâs brother Ernest, who moved west with their sister. I was astonished to find the connection you showed to Daniel and Hope through Aaron Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I donât know if I was more surprised to see the link or that it took so long to find the post. Do you recall any of the sources? Also, where is your connection, would you âinviteâ me to look at your Ancestry tree? I am anxious to become familiar with that family line. I have been trying to follow the posts here in this forum, and now perhaps I can review old posts and unscramble a bit. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:979 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-07-06 17:03:08 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV Message: Mary, Daniel Robins was born 1798 in Fayette Co., PA & not in Fayette Co. NJ as I posted in my previous message to you. There is no Fayette Co., in NJ. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@...m [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2014 4:39 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV Mary, Do you have a date for Daniel Robins who applied for the land grant in Fayette Co., PA? William Robins b. 1761 in Sussex Co., NJ & died 8-7-1837 in Carroll Co., OH had a son Daniel Robins born 6-21-1798 in Fayette Co., NJ. This line has a brick wall prior to William Robins but has been confirmed by DNA to be a Daniel Robins 1627-1714 descendant. The Connellesville, PA Robins/Robbins were stone masons. It appears it was a trade passed down from the time they lived in NJ & continued in PA. Brian Robbins connects to the NJ to Connellsville Robbins through Ephraim Robins b. abt. 1758. I think Brian is still a member but I know he isnât an active researcher right now due to the demands of his position in a major corporation. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2014 7:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilDaniel Robinsysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV [2 Attachments] Sara, Thank you for the clarification here. The Daniel Robins I am trying to trace applied for a land grant in Fayette Co. Pa; the land was granted to William Robins. An archivist told me that was a bit unusual, and that perh aps Daniel had died before it was granted. The land was near New Geneva, and though my grandfather was born in New Geneva over one hundred years later, that land did not stay in the family but they are found living in D unkard, (Greene), PA and Maidsville, (Monongaia) WV, in federal censuses. My great-grandfather and his father were potters or stonemasons, which may explain the attraction to this region. One the other hand I am not familiar with the Robins family in the Connellesville area, though there is a DNA link. Thanks again, I appreciate your input. Mary On Monday, June 30, 2014 7:02 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Mary, Aaron Robins, Sr. had no children by his second wife Elizabeth (mnu) who was the widow of John Arney. Elizabeth ? Arney left her estate to her adult Arney children with no mention of any Robins heirs. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:21 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List; South Jersey ROBINS/ROBBINS Mailing List Subject: Fw: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fayette/Greene PA ~ Monongalia WV On Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:17 AM, "merobbins336@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Brian, et. al., This evening I was browsing through the Robbins Genweb Forum for the first time in years. I found the posts between yourself and Ernest Robbins, in October 2005. You pointed out that his John Robins b. 1797 was the gra ndson of Daniel Robins and Sarah Leonard and g-grandson of Aaron Robins Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I am descended through the same John; though I have not corresponded with Ernest Robbins, I suspect that he would be the namesake of my g-grandfather Arthurâs brother Ernest, who moved west with their sister. I was astonished to find the connection you showed to Daniel and Hope through Aaron Sr. and Elizabeth Arney. I donât know if I was more surprised to see the link or that it took so long to find the post. Do you recall any of the sources? Also, where is your connection, would you âinviteâ me to look at your Ancestry tree? I am anxious to become familiar with that family line. I have been trying to follow the posts here in this forum, and now perhaps I can review old posts and unscramble a bit. I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:980 Sender:marys616 Post Date/Time:2014-07-06 17:24:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Message: Sara, I've been trying to find my records for my lineage. James is such a popular name in the Robbins family that it is difficult to distinguish among them. In answer to your question, the James Robbins b. 1750 in NC married Martha Brothers. My line goes through their son, Johnathon b. 1785 NC who married Mary Massengale. Lemuel was their son who married Kizzar or Keziah. I have not found my other records ( very frustrating when I n eed them) but its possible the other children may not have been mentioned in his will due to their move to the "wilderness of Kentucky and never heard from again". Mary Robbins Starkey Daughter of James Robbins b. 1925 Bell County, Ky On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:56 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Mary, > > The will of your James Robbins written on 8-3-1799 mentions his wife Elizabeth & youngest son Haman along with four unnamed children. Did James have a first wife named Martha Beesley & seven children by her? Is this c orrect? If it is do you know why the other children werenât mentioned in the will along with Haman & the four unnamed children? So pleased you were able to have your father tested & make the connection to Richard. Than ks for sharing your line. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:09 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 > > > > > > John German helped with a DNA test for my father, James Robbins, born in Bell County, Ky in 1925. We have traced our line back to Richard Robbins from NC. The DNA test proved my father was a descendent of Daniel Robin s of New Jersey. > I can't tell you the line at this time > > but if it will help anyone I'll get it. My father is still with us but very feeble but if we need to obtain a more extensive DNA test, I will get it down. > > Mary Robbins Starkey > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:21 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > > > Chris, > > > > Thanks for your input. It appears from what you tell us that you are the only descendant of the Richard Robins b. abt. 1709 line to have any real proof they belong to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family. There may be another man out there who tested because knowing John I suspect he would wanted to have more than one test. That is if he was able to get another one. Itâs difficult to find candidates & when we find them & they are wil ling they may have no interest in genealogy at all. Then the contact is lost when the party who sponsored the test gone. I do know from my discussions with John that he had his father-in-law test before Mr. Robbins pass ed away. John was related by marriage & not biologically to the Daniel Robins family. He was very involved with the line of Joseph Robins, Jr & Richard Robins of NC. I believe Johnâs wife was connected to the Joseph Rob ins Jr. line not Richard. Maybe someone else here knows? Not really sure, will go back through my paper files. John was working on a paper trail for the descendants of Levi Robbins of Overton, TN 1806-1856. He told me h e would sent me a copy when completed. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:41 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 > > > > > > Sara, > > Hate to say it but 'cousin' Sarah Lehman relyed much on hearsay and family sources. There are many, many errors in her book 'Back Creek'. John German said that the only sons of Richard that he could id from tax lists were Richard, Isaac, & Jacob. Said that a grandson of Michael reported that Michael was one of eight brothers. Nothing from John regarding any daughters. > > As to DNA testing, don't know any other Robbins in Isaac's line. My cousin Phil died years ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on line, but don't know if they tested. John wauld know, but he is no longer with us. > > Sorry I can't be of more help. > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM > Chris,A couple of > questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully > you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. > I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for > the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah > Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, > Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. > Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or > sources that links these children to > Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard > Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in > your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? 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The History of Bell Co, Ky has Massengale. I have the following children for Jonathan & Mary Ann; James, 1806-1876; Lemuel, 1808 - bef 2 June 1880; William, 1810 - 1896; Absalom, 1812 - aft 1856; Mary 1814 - ?; Nellie, 1816 - 1832l; Jane, 1816 - ?; Rev Joshua, 1822 - 1875; Abagail, 1823 - 1912; Jacob, 1824 - 1867 Chris -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 7/6/14, marys616 marys616@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sunday, July 6, 2014, 8:24 PM  Sara, I've been trying to find my records for my lineage. James is such a popular name in the Robbins family that it is difficult to distinguish among them. In answer to your question, the James Robbins  b. 1750 in NC  married Martha Brothers. My line goes through their son, Johnathon b. 1785 NC who married Mary Massengale. Lemuel was their son who married Kizzar or Keziah. I have not found my other records ( very frustrating when I need them) but its possible the other children may not have been mentioned in his will due to their move to the "wilderness of Kentucky and never heard from again". Mary Robbins StarkeyDaughter of James Robbins b. 1925 Bell County, Ky On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:56 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Mary,The will of your James Robbins written on 8-3-1799 mentions his wife Elizabeth & youngest son Haman along with four unnamed children. Did James have a first wife named Martha Beesley & seven children by her? Is this correct? If it is do you know why the other children werenât mentioned in the will  along with Haman & the four unnamed children? So pleased you were able to have your father tested & make the connection to Richard. Thanks for sharing your line.                                                                                                    Sara   From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:09 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709   John German helped with a DNA test for my father, James Robbins, born in Bell County, Ky in 1925. We have traced our line back to Richard Robbins from NC. The DNA test proved my father was a descendent of Daniel Robins of New Jersey.  I can't tell you the line at this time but if it will help anyone I'll get it. My father is still with us but very feeble but if we need to obtain a more extensive DNA test, I will get it down. Mary Robbins Starkey  Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:21 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Chris, Thanks for your input. It appears from what you tell us that you are the only descendant of the Richard Robins b. abt. 1709 line  to have any real proof they belong to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family. There may be another man out there who tested because knowing John I suspect he would wanted to have more than one test. That is if he was able to get another one. Itâs difficult to find candidates & when we find them & they are willing they may have no interest in genealogy at all. Then the contact is lost when the party who sponsored the test gone. I do know from my discussions with John that he had his father-in-law test before Mr. Robbins passed away. John was related by marriage & not biologically to the Daniel Robins family. He was very involved with the line of Joseph Robins, Jr & Richard Robins of NC. I believe Johnâs wife was connected to the Joseph Robins Jr. line not Richard. Maybe someone else here knows? Not really sure, will go back through my paper files. John was working on a paper trail for the descendants of Levi Robbins of Overton, TN 1806-1856. He told me he would sent me a copy when completed.                                                                                                                      Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709  Sara, Hate to say it but 'cousin' Sarah Lehman relyed much on hearsay and family sources. There are many, many errors in her book 'Back Creek'. John German said that the only sons of Richard that he could id from tax lists were Richard, Isaac, & Jacob. Said that a grandson of Michael reported that Michael was one of eight brothers. Nothing from John regarding any daughters. As to DNA testing, don't know any other Robbins in Isaac's line. My cousin Phil died years ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on line, but don't know if they tested. John wauld know, but he is no longer with us. Sorry I can't be of more help. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM Chris,A couple of questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or sources that links these children to Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? Do you know if any descendant/descendants of Richard's other sons, Richard, Jr., James, John, & Michael have tested?                                Thanks,                                    Sara #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495 -- #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp #yiv9001177495hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp #yiv9001177495ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp .yiv9001177495ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp .yiv9001177495ad p { margin:0;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp .yiv9001177495ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-sponsor #yiv9001177495ygrp-lc { font-family:Arial;} #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-sponsor #yiv9001177495ygrp-lc 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I have Keziah Robbins Robbins in my file as being from another Robbins line. Is this correct? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 6:52 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 According to John German, Jonathan's wife's name was Mary Ann Massagee. The History of Bell Co, Ky has Massengale. I have the following children for Jonathan & Mary Ann; James, 1806-1876; Lemuel, 1808 - bef 2 June 1880; William, 1810 - 1896; Absalom, 1812 - aft 1856; Mary 1814 - ?; Nellie, 1816 - 1832l; Jane, 1816 - ?; Rev Joshua, 1822 - 1875; Abagail, 1823 - 1912; Jacob, 1824 - 1867 Chris -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 7/6/14, marys616 marys616@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sunday, July 6, 2014, 8:24 PM Sara, I've been trying to find my records for my lineage. James is such a popular name in the Robbins family that it is difficult to distinguish among them. In answer to your question, the James Robbins b. 1750 in NC married Martha Brothers. My line goes through their son, Johnathon b. 1785 NC who married Mary Massengale. Lemuel was their son who married Kizzar or Keziah. I have not found my other records ( very frustrating when I need them) but its possible the other children may not have been mentioned in his will due to their move to the "wilderness of Kentucky and never heard from again". Mary Robbins StarkeyDaughter of James Robbins b. 1925 Bell County, Ky On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:56 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Mary,The will of your James Robbins written on 8-3-1799 mentions his wife Elizabeth & youngest son Haman along with four unnamed children. Did James have a first wife named Martha Beesley & seven children by her? Is this correct? If it is do you know why the other children werenât mentioned in the will along with Haman & the four unnamed children? So pleased you were able to have your father tested & make the connection to Richard. Thanks for sharing your line. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:09 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 John German helped with a DNA test for my father, James Robbins, born in Bell County, Ky in 1925. We have traced our line back to Richard Robbins from NC. The DNA test proved my father was a descendent of Daniel Robins of New Jersey. I can't tell you the line at this time but if it will help anyone I'll get it. My father is still with us but very feeble but if we need to obtain a more extensive DNA test, I will get it down. Mary Robbins Starkey Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:21 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Chris, Thanks for your input. It appears from what you tell us that you are the only descendant of the Richard Robins b. abt. 1709 line to have any real proof they belong to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family. There may be another man out there who tested because knowing John I suspect he would wanted to have more than one test. That is if he was able to get another one. Itâs difficult to find candidates & when we find them & they are willing they may have no interest in genealogy at all. Then the contact is lost when the party who sponsored the test gone. I do know from my discussions with John that he had his father-in-law test before Mr. Robbins passed away. John was related by marriage & not biologically to the Daniel Robins family. He was very involved with the line of Joseph Robins, Jr & Richard Robins of NC. I believe Johnâs wife was connected to the Joseph Robins Jr. line not Richard. Maybe someone else here knows? Not really sure, will go back through my paper files. John was working on a paper trail for the descendants of Levi Robbins of Overton, TN 1806-1856. He told me he would sent me a copy when completed. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Sara, Hate to say it but 'cousin' Sarah Lehman relyed much on hearsay and family sources. There are many, many errors in her book 'Back Creek'. John German said that the only sons of Richard that he could id from tax lists were Richard, Isaac, & Jacob. Said that a grandson of Michael reported that Michael was one of eight brothers. Nothing from John regarding any daughters. As to DNA testing, don't know any other Robbins in Isaac's line. My cousin Phil died years ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on line, but don't know if they tested. John wauld know, but he is no longer with us. Sorry I can't be of more help. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM Chris,A couple of questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or sources that links these children to Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? Do you know if any descendant/descendants of Richard's other sons, Richard, Jr., James, John, & Michael have tested? 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Kiziah Robbins was the dau of John Fletcher Robbins (my 3rd g gf) & Elizabeth Towery. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7/7/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 7, 2014, 11:01 AM  Was Keziah the wife of Lemuel  b. 1808  a Robbins by birth?  I have Keziah Robbins Robbins in my file as being from another Robbins line. Is this correct?                                                                             Sara  From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 6:52 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709   According to John German, Jonathan's wife's name was Mary Ann Massagee. The History of Bell Co, Ky has Massengale. I have the following children for Jonathan & Mary Ann; James, 1806-1876; Lemuel, 1808 - bef 2 June 1880; William, 1810 - 1896; Absalom, 1812 - aft 1856; Mary 1814 - ?; Nellie, 1816 - 1832l; Jane, 1816 - ?; Rev Joshua, 1822 - 1875; Abagail, 1823 - 1912; Jacob, 1824 - 1867 Chris -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 7/6/14, marys616 marys616@aol.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sunday, July 6, 2014, 8:24 PM  Sara, I've been trying to find my records for my lineage. James is such a popular name in the Robbins family that it is difficult to distinguish among them. In answer to your question, the James Robbins  b. 1750 in NC  married Martha Brothers. My line goes through their son, Johnathon b. 1785 NC who married Mary Massengale. Lemuel was their son who married Kizzar or Keziah. I have not found my other records ( very frustrating when I need them) but its possible the other children may not have been mentioned in his will due to their move to the "wilderness of Kentucky and never heard from again". Mary Robbins StarkeyDaughter of James Robbins b. 1925 Bell County, Ky On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:56 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Mary,The will of your James Robbins written on 8-3-1799 mentions his wife Elizabeth & youngest son Haman along with four unnamed children. Did James have a first wife named Martha Beesley & seven children by her? Is this correct? If it is do you know why the other children werenât mentioned in the will  along with Haman & the four unnamed children? So pleased you were able to have your father tested & make the connection to Richard. Thanks for sharing your line.                                                                                                    Sara   From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:09 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709   John German helped with a DNA test for my father, James Robbins, born in Bell County, Ky in 1925. We have traced our line back to Richard Robbins from NC. The DNA test proved my father was a descendent of Daniel Robins of New Jersey.  I can't tell you the line at this time but if it will help anyone I'll get it. My father is still with us but very feeble but if we need to obtain a more extensive DNA test, I will get it down. Mary Robbins Starkey  Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:21 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Chris, Thanks for your input. It appears from what you tell us that you are the only descendant of the Richard Robins b. abt. 1709 line  to have any real proof they belong to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family. There may be another man out there who tested because knowing John I suspect he would wanted to have more than one test. That is if he was able to get another one. Itâs difficult to find candidates & when we find them & they are willing they may have no interest in genealogy at all. Then the contact is lost when the party who sponsored the test gone. I do know from my discussions with John that he had his father-in-law test before Mr. Robbins passed away. John was related by marriage & not biologically to the Daniel Robins family. He was very involved with the line of Joseph Robins, Jr & Richard Robins of NC. I believe Johnâs wife was connected to the Joseph Robins Jr. line not Richard. Maybe someone else here knows? Not really sure, will go back through my paper files. John was working on a paper trail for the descendants of Levi Robbins of Overton, TN 1806-1856. He told me he would sent me a copy when completed.                                                                                                                      Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709  Sara, Hate to say it but 'cousin' Sarah Lehman relyed much on hearsay and family sources. There are many, many errors in her book 'Back Creek'. John German said that the only sons of Richard that he could id from tax lists were Richard, Isaac, & Jacob. Said that a grandson of Michael reported that Michael was one of eight brothers. Nothing from John regarding any daughters. As to DNA testing, don't know any other Robbins in Isaac's line. My cousin Phil died years ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on line, but don't know if they tested. John wauld know, but he is no longer with us. Sorry I can't be of more help. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM Chris,A couple of questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or sources that links these children to Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? 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Post Date/Time:2014-07-07 08:25:24 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Message: Chris, Was John Fletcher Robbins the son of Isaac Robbins son of Richard Robins 1709? If correct, do you know how this connection was made? Documentation for it? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:986 Sender:marys616 Post Date/Time:2014-07-07 09:49:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Message: Chris, it sounds like you line intersects with mine. Did you ever hear about an Indian in our line? My father always thought it was Kiziah. Could she have possibly been raised by a Robbins family? This is family lore. Thanks, Mary On Jul 7, 2014, at 11:15 AM, "C ROBBINS candcn10ac@bellsouth.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Yes. Kiziah Robbins was the dau of John Fletcher Robbins (my 3rd g gf) & Elizabeth Towery. > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 7/7/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, July 7, 2014, 11:01 AM > > > > > > > > > > Was Keziah the wife > of Lemuel b. 1808 a Robbins by birth? I have Keziah > Robbins Robbins in my file as being from another Robbins > line. Is this correct? > Sara > From: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 6:52 AM > To: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] > Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. > 1709 According to John German, > Jonathan's wife's name was Mary Ann Massagee. The > History of Bell Co, Ky has Massengale. I have the following > children for Jonathan & Mary Ann; > James, > 1806-1876; Lemuel, 1808 - bef 2 June 1880; William, 1810 - > 1896; Absalom, 1812 - aft 1856; Mary 1814 - ?; Nellie, 1816 > - 1832l; Jane, 1816 - ?; Rev Joshua, 1822 - 1875; Abagail, > 1823 - 1912; Jacob, 1824 - 1867 > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 7/6/14, marys616 marys616@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: > > Subject: Re: > [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. > 1709 > To: > "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" > > Date: Sunday, July 6, 2014, 8:24 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sara, I've been trying to find my > records for my lineage. James is such a popular > name in the > Robbins family that it is > difficult to distinguish among > them. In > answer to your question, the James Robbins b. > 1750 in NC married Martha Brothers. My line > goes through > their son, Johnathon b. 1785 NC > who married Mary Massengale. > Lemuel was > their son who married Kizzar or Keziah. I have > not found my other records ( very frustrating > when I need > them) but its possible the other > children may not have been > mentioned in his > will due to their move to the > "wilderness of Kentucky and never heard > from > again". > > Mary Robbins StarkeyDaughter of > James Robbins b. 1925 Bell County, Ky > > > > > On Jun 26, > 2014, at 8:56 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' > july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety]" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mary,The will of your > James > Robbins written on 8-3-1799 mentions his wife > Elizabeth & youngest son Haman along with > four unnamed > children. Did James have a > first wife named Martha Beesley > & seven > children by her? Is this correct? If it is do > you know why the other children werenât > mentioned in the > will along with Haman > & the four unnamed children? So > pleased > you were able to have your father tested & make > the connection to Richard. Thanks for sharing > your > line. > Sara > From: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 > 1:09 > PM > To: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] > Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. > 1709 John German helped with a DNA > test for my father, James Robbins, born in Bell > County, Ky > in 1925. We have traced our line > back to Richard Robbins > from NC. The DNA > test proved my father was a descendent of > Daniel Robins of New Jersey. > I can't > tell you the line > at this time but if it will help anyone > I'll get it. My father is still with us but > very feeble > but if we need to obtain a more > extensive DNA test, I will > get it > down. Mary Robbins > Starkey > Sent from > my iPhone > On Jun 26, > 2014, at 2:21 PM, > "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety]" > > wrote: Chris, Thanks for your > input. It appears from what you tell us that > you are the > only descendant of the Richard > Robins b. abt. 1709 line to > have any real > proof they belong to the Daniel Robins > 1627-1714 family. There may be another man out > there who > tested because knowing John I > suspect he would wanted to > have more than > one test. That is if he was able to get > another one. Itâs difficult to find > candidates & when > we find them & > they are willing they may have no > interest > in genealogy at all. Then the contact is lost when > the party who sponsored the test gone. I do > know from my > discussions with John that he > had his father-in-law test > before Mr. > Robbins passed away. John was related by marriage > & not biologically to the Daniel Robins > family. He was > very involved with the line > of Joseph Robins, Jr & > Richard Robins of > NC. I believe Johnâs wife was connected > to > the Joseph Robins Jr. line not Richard. Maybe someone > else here knows? Not really sure, will go back > through my > paper files. John was working on > a paper trail for the > descendants of Levi > Robbins of Overton, TN 1806-1856. He > told me > he would sent me a copy when > completed. > Sara From: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: > Thursday, June 26, 2014 > 9:41 AM > To: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: > Re: > [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. > abt. 1709 Sara, > > Hate to say it but 'cousin' Sarah > Lehman relyed much on hearsay and family > sources. There are > many, many errors in her > book 'Back Creek'. John > German said > that the only sons of Richard that he could id > from tax lists were Richard, Isaac, & > Jacob. Said that a > grandson of Michael > reported that Michael was one of eight > brothers. Nothing from John regarding any > daughters. > > As to DNA > testing, don't > know any other Robbins in > Isaac's line. My cousin Phil > died years > ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on > line, but don't know if they tested. John > wauld know, > but he is no longer with us. > > Sorry I can't be of more > help. > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] > > wrote: > > Subject: > [robbinsfamilysociety] > Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. > 1709 > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM > Chris,A couple of > questions > for > you on your Richard Robbins line. > Hopefully > you will be able to help me fill > in some of my > missing data. > I know you worked with John > German on his DNA research for > the Richard > line. According to > files given to me by Sarah > Robbins Lehman, > the children of Richard Robbins > were > Alice, > Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, > James, John, Michael. Mrs. > Lehman > doesn't name her > source. Is there a source or > sources that > links these children to > Richard? Regarding > DNA for the Richard > Robbins of Randolph Co., > NC descendants, has > anyone else in > your Isaac line tested or are > you the only one? Do you know > if any > descendant/descendants > of Richard's other sons, > Richard, Jr., > James, John, & Michael > have > tested? > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495 > -- > #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp { > border:1px solid > #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px > 0;padding:0 10px;} > > #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp hr { > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > > #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp > #yiv9001177495hd { > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px > 0;} > > #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp > #yiv9001177495ads { > margin-bottom:10px;} > > #yiv9001177495 > #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp .yiv9001177495ad { > padding:0 0;} > > #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp > .yiv9001177495ad p { > margin:0;} > > #yiv9001177495 > #yiv9001177495ygrp-mkp .yiv9001177495ad a { > color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} > #yiv9001177495 #yiv9001177495ygrp-sponsor > #yiv9001177495ygrp-lc { > font-family:Arial;} > > 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Post Date/Time:2014-07-07 15:19:32 Subject:Anson Rowan land Deeds Elisha Robins- Interesting Message: Rowan County Register Editor; Jo White Linn Aug 1986, Vol. 1 # 3 Rowan County Land Entries 1752/53, By; Jo White Linn, C.G. The Editor is grateful to George Stevenson, archivist at the North Carolina Department of Cultural Resources, for making these early land records of two land entry books for land in the Anson/ Rowan area that were ente red in Lord Granvilleâs Proprietary land Office in 1752/53, the year that Rowan County was formed. The entries showing land in Anson were in the area that fell into the new county of Rowan. In most cases, the original spelling has been retained. The citation is Secretary of State Records, Granville Land Office, County entry Book SS.1091 Nathaniel Reed 640 acres on each side of the Trading Path incl the place where Robt Miller lately lived and his inprovements 13 Nov. 1752 Edwd Thornberry 640 acres Anson incl Elisha Robins entry on 2nd branch Muddy Creek a branch of Deep River 7 Feb 1752 Marmaduke Nierey 640 acres Anson on both sides Deep R incl the month of Muddy Creek (I Think this should be Vickery 13 Feb 1752) John Nation 640 acres Anson on middle Creek fork of Polecat between Harman Coxes and Wm Haggat. 19 Feb 1752 Elisha Robins 640 acres Anson on Muddy Creek entering into Deep R on month of second branch entering sd creek. 5 Feb 1752 Elisha Robins 640 acres Anson on other side Deed R and about 2 or 3 miles from sd river and on E Side of a little mountain on the head of rich branch which empties into Polecat. 12 Feb 1752 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:988 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-07-08 09:17:41 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Message: Mary, Thanks for your response on James Robbins. It appears you & Chris are the only ones from Richard Robins b. abt. 1709 who have confirmation on their ancestry through DNA. You were wise in having your father take the DNA test. Also interesting that both of you have paternal & maternal links to Richard Robins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@...m] Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2014 5:24 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Sara, I've been trying to find my records for my lineage. James is such a popular name in the Robbins family that it is difficult to distinguish among them. In answer to your question, the James Robbins b. 1750 in NC married Martha Brothers. My line goes through their son, Johnathon b. 1785 NC who married Mary Massengale. Lemuel was their son who married Kizzar or Keziah. I have not found my other records ( very frustrating when I n eed them) but its possible the other children may not have been mentioned in his will due to their move to the "wilderness of Kentucky and never heard from again". Mary Robbins Starkey Daughter of James Robbins b. 1925 Bell County, Ky On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:56 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: Mary, The will of your James Robbins written on 8-3-1799 mentions his wife Elizabeth & youngest son Haman along with four unnamed children. Did James have a first wife named Martha Beesley & seven children by her? Is this cor rect? If it is do you know why the other children werenât mentioned in the will along with Haman & the four unnamed children? So pleased you were able to have your father tested & make the connection to Richard. Thanks for sharing your line. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:09 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 John German helped with a DNA test for my father, James Robbins, born in Bell County, Ky in 1925. We have traced our line back to Richard Robbins from NC. The DNA test proved my father was a descendent of Daniel Robins of New Jersey. I can't tell you the line at this time but if it will help anyone I'll get it. My father is still with us but very feeble but if we need to obtain a more extensive DNA test, I will get it down. Mary Robbins Starkey Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:21 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: Chris, Thanks for your input. It appears from what you tell us that you are the only descendant of the Richard Robins b. abt. 1709 line to have any real proof they belong to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family. There may be an other man out there who tested because knowing John I suspect he would wanted to have more than one test. That is if he was able to get another one. Itâs difficult to find candidates & when we find them & they are willi ng they may have no interest in genealogy at all. Then the contact is lost when the party who sponsored the test gone. I do know from my discussions with John that he had his father-in-law test before Mr. Robbins passed away. John was related by marriage & not biologically to the Daniel Robins family. He was very involved with the line of Joseph Robins, Jr & Richard Robins of NC. I believe Johnâs wife was connected to the Joseph Robin s Jr. line not Richard. Maybe someone else here knows? Not really sure, will go back through my paper files. John was working on a paper trail for the descendants of Levi Robbins of Overton, TN 1806-1856. He told me he would sent me a copy when completed. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Sara, Hate to say it but 'cousin' Sarah Lehman relyed much on hearsay and family sources. There are many, many errors in her book 'Back Creek'. John German said that the only sons of Richard that he could id from tax lists we re Richard, Isaac, & Jacob. Said that a grandson of Michael reported that Michael was one of eight brothers. Nothing from John regarding any daughters. As to DNA testing, don't know any other Robbins in Isaac's line. My cousin Phil died years ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on line, but don't know if they tested. John wauld know, but he is no longer with us. Sorry I can't be of more help. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM Chris,A couple of questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or sources that links these children to Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? Do you know if any descendant/descendants of Richard's other sons, Richard, Jr., James, John, & Michael have tested? 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Is Elisha Robins mentioned below the same Elisha Robins there is no record of after 1752? Thanks for posting this information. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 3:20 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Anson Rowan land Deeds Elisha Robins- Interesting Rowan County Register Editor; Jo White Linn Aug 1986, Vol. 1 # 3 Rowan County Land Entries 1752/53, By; Jo White Linn, C.G. The Editor is grateful to George Stevenson, archivist at the North Carolina Department of Cultural Resources, for making these early land records of two land entry books for land in the Anson/ Rowan area that were enter ed in Lord Granvilleâs Proprietary land Office in 1752/53, the year that Rowan County was formed. The entries showing land in Anson were in the area that fell into the new county of Rowan. In most cases, the original spelling has been retained. The citation is Secretary of State Records, Granville Land Office, County entry Book SS.1091 Nathaniel Reed 640 acres on each side of the Trading Path incl the place where Robt Miller lately lived and his inprovements 13 Nov. 1752 Edwd Thornberry 640 acres Anson incl Elisha Robins entry on 2nd branch Muddy Creek a branch of Deep River 7 Feb 1752 Marmaduke Nierey 640 acres Anson on both sides Deep R incl the month of Muddy Creek (I Think this should be Vickery 13 Feb 1752) John Nation 640 acres Anson on middle Creek fork of Polecat between Harman Coxes and Wm Haggat. 19 Feb 1752 Elisha Robins 640 acres Anson on Muddy Creek entering into Deep R on month of second branch entering sd creek. 5 Feb 1752 Elisha Robins 640 acres Anson on other side Deed R and about 2 or 3 miles from sd river and on E Side of a little mountain on the head of rich branch which empties into Polecat. 12 Feb 1752 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:990 Sender:JERRY SCOTT Post Date/Time:2014-07-08 12:26:02 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Anson Rowan land Deeds Elisha Robins- Interesting Message: Elisha Robins land deed in Anson Co North Carolina is the same land deed that Elisha had surveyed in 1753 and Richard  has  this land by 1754. Elisha Robins warrant dated 1 Dec 1753 to James Carter to survey 640 acres in Rowan Co on Muddy Creek entering into Deep River on the month of Second branch entering into said creek. Entered 7 Feb 1752  Richard Robins has this land in 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan County both sides of Muddy Creek of Deep River and both sides of the second branch of the said creek; CC  Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrant dated Dec 1, 1753  Richard and Elisha Robbins were  SCC for land deed of Maraduke Vickory 22 Feb 1759- 151 acres Rowan  of St Luke Parish I  Believe this is the last records on Elisha Robbins 1759? Who was he Son, FATHER  or Brother of Richard Cousin? William,  Elisha and Richard  Robins with Elisha Isaacs  were Witness to Land Deed of John Nation 22 Feb 1759,  260 acres Rowan in the Parish of St Luke Isaac and Michael Robbins were  SCC FOR THE LAND DEED OF William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 , 562 acres in Rowan County in The Parish of St Luke  Richard Robbins had land joining the land deed of   Edward Thornberry 27 Aug 1762 538 acres in Rowan on the west side of the deep r on both side of Muddy Creek  Marmaduke  Vickory,  William Robbins were CC for Richard Robbins deed 29 Arp 1754  We canât rule out the kinship of these Robbins in Rowan NC BECAUSE THERE ARE TO MANY LAND DEED WHERE THEY APPEAR . It  appears  that Richardâs proven  sons were Isaac Jacob Michael, and Richard Jr. But who was Elisha and William James, John,   Mathias, Jonathan (there is little question that Jonathan and Mathias were the brothers to Nancy Ann Robbins)  Joseph Robbins who died in 1754 had three sons Joseph, Wm, John and in his Will he leaves   Joseph 400 acres, WM 200 acres and John 126 acres never found these land deeds  There are the deeds these three men had later I Believe Abstracts of The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions Rowan NC 1763-1774 by Jo White Lynn  John Robbins 302 acres 16 Feb 1763 Joseph Robbins 202 acres 16 Feb 1763 William Robbins 200 acres 14 Feb 1763  They sell the land;  Deed from Joseph Robbins to Abram Woodward for 202 acres 2 April 1770 Deed From William Robbins to Victor Thompson for 200 acres 7 Mar 1779 Deed John Robbins and wife to Wm Robbins for 202 acres 15-16 Feb 1768 proved by Wm Millican Deed from John Robbins and wife Rachel  to Thomas Little for 100 acres 28 Sept 1766 proved by Wm Millican, Esqr.    Researching also; My other lines  of Rowan Co are my  5th great grandfather William Welborn and  HIS SON Isaac my 4th and his daughter Elisabeth my 3rd William Teague my 7th great grandfather  and his daughter Charity Teague my 6th great and her husband John Swaim  my 5th  parents to my William Swaim and wife  Nancy Ann Robbins my 4th great Later my Scotts and Russells   were in Rowan by 1770   then On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:37 AM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Jerry, The deeds are interesting. Is Elisha Robins mentioned below the same Elisha Robins there is no record of after 1752?  Thanks for posting this information.                                                                                         Sara  From:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 3:20 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Anson Rowan land Deeds Elisha Robins- Interesting       Rowan County Register Editor; Jo White Linn Aug 1986, Vol. 1 # 3  Rowan  County Land Entries 1752/53, By; Jo White Linn, C.G.  The Editor is grateful to George Stevenson, archivist at the North Carolina Department of Cultural Resources, for making these early land records of two land entry books for land in the Anson/ Rowan area that were enter ed in Lord Granvilleâs Proprietary land Office in 1752/53, the year that Rowan County was formed. The entries showing land in Anson were   in the area that fell into the new county of Rowan. In most cases, the origina l spelling has been retained.  The citation is Secretary of State Records, Granville Land Office, County entry Book SS.1091  Nathaniel Reed 640 acres on each side of the Trading Path incl the place where Robt Miller lately lived and his inprovements 13 Nov. 1752  Edwd Thornberry 640 acres  Anson incl Elisha Robins entry on 2nd branch Muddy Creek a branch of Deep River   7 Feb 1752  Marmaduke   Nierey  640 acres Anson on both sides Deep R incl the month of Muddy Creek  (I Think this should be Vickery 13 Feb 1752)  John Nation  640 acres Anson on middle Creek fork of Polecat between Harman Coxes and Wm Haggat. 19 Feb 1752  Elisha Robins 640 acres Anson on Muddy Creek entering into Deep R on month of second branch entering sd creek. 5 Feb 1752  Elisha Robins 640 acres Anson on other side Deed R and about 2 or 3 miles from sd river and on E Side of a little mountain on the head of rich branch which empties into Polecat. 12 Feb 1752   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:991 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-07-08 12:26:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Message: Never heard any stories about an Indian in our line. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7/7/14, marys616 marys616@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Date: Monday, July 7, 2014, 12:49 PM  Chris, it sounds like you line intersects with mine. Did you ever hear about an Indian in our line?  My father always thought it was Kiziah. Could she have possibly been raised by a Robbins family? This is family lore. Thanks, Mary On Jul 7, 2014, at 11:15 AM, "C ROBBINS candcn10ac@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Yes. Kiziah Robbins was the dau of John Fletcher Robbins (my 3rd g gf) & Elizabeth Towery. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7/7/14, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Date: Monday, July 7, 2014, 11:01 AM Was Keziah the wife of Lemuel  b. 1808  a Robbins by birth?  I have Keziah Robbins Robbins in my file as being from another Robbins line. Is this correct?                                                                             Sara  From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 6:52 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709   According to John German, Jonathan's wife's name was Mary Ann Massagee. The History of Bell Co, Ky has Massengale. I have the following children for Jonathan & Mary Ann; James, 1806-1876; Lemuel, 1808 - bef 2 June 1880; William, 1810 - 1896; Absalom, 1812 - aft 1856; Mary 1814 - ?; Nellie, 1816 - 1832l; Jane, 1816 - ?; Rev Joshua, 1822 - 1875; Abagail, 1823 - 1912; Jacob, 1824 - 1867 Chris -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 7/6/14, marys616 marys616@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: "robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sunday, July 6, 2014, 8:24 PM  Sara, I've been trying to find my records for my lineage. James is such a popular name in the Robbins family that it is difficult to distinguish among them. In answer to your question, the James Robbins  b. 1750 in NC  married Martha Brothers. My line goes through their son, Johnathon b. 1785 NC who married Mary Massengale. Lemuel was their son who married Kizzar or Keziah. I have not found my other records ( very frustrating when I need them) but its possible the other children may not have been mentioned in his will due to their move to the "wilderness of Kentucky and never heard from again". Mary Robbins StarkeyDaughter of James Robbins b. 1925 Bell County, Ky On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:56 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Mary,The will of your James Robbins written on 8-3-1799 mentions his wife Elizabeth & youngest son Haman along with four unnamed children. Did James have a first wife named Martha Beesley & seven children by her? Is this correct? If it is do you know why the other children werenât mentioned in the will  along with Haman & the four unnamed children? So pleased you were able to have your father tested & make the connection to Richard. Thanks for sharing your line.                                                                                                    Sara   From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:09 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709   John German helped with a DNA test for my father, James Robbins, born in Bell County, Ky in 1925. We have traced our line back to Richard Robbins from NC. The DNA test proved my father was a descendent of Daniel Robins of New Jersey.  I can't tell you the line at this time but if it will help anyone I'll get it. My father is still with us but very feeble but if we need to obtain a more extensive DNA test, I will get it down. Mary Robbins Starkey  Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:21 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Chris, Thanks for your input. It appears from what you tell us that you are the only descendant of the Richard Robins b. abt. 1709 line  to have any real proof they belong to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family. There may be another man out there who tested because knowing John I suspect he would wanted to have more than one test. That is if he was able to get another one. Itâs difficult to find candidates & when we find them & they are willing they may have no interest in genealogy at all. Then the contact is lost when the party who sponsored the test gone. I do know from my discussions with John that he had his father-in-law test before Mr. Robbins passed away. John was related by marriage & not biologically to the Daniel Robins family. He was very involved with the line of Joseph Robins, Jr & Richard Robins of NC. I believe Johnâs wife was connected to the Joseph Robins Jr. line not Richard. Maybe someone else here knows? Not really sure, will go back through my paper files. John was working on a paper trail for the descendants of Levi Robbins of Overton, TN 1806-1856. He told me he would sent me a copy when completed.                                                                                                                      Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709  Sara, Hate to say it but 'cousin' Sarah Lehman relyed much on hearsay and family sources. There are many, many errors in her book 'Back Creek'. John German said that the only sons of Richard that he could id from tax lists were Richard, Isaac, & Jacob. Said that a grandson of Michael reported that Michael was one of eight brothers. Nothing from John regarding any daughters. As to DNA testing, don't know any other Robbins in Isaac's line. My cousin Phil died years ago. I've met a few 'cousins' on line, but don't know if they tested. John wauld know, but he is no longer with us. Sorry I can't be of more help. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6/24/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 3:17 PM Chris,A couple of questions for you on your Richard Robbins line. Hopefully you will be able to help me fill in some of my missing data. I know you worked with John German on his DNA research for the Richard line. According to files given to me by Sarah Robbins Lehman, the children of Richard Robbins were Alice, Richard, Jr., Rachel, Isaac, James, John, Michael. Mrs. Lehman doesn't name her source. Is there a source or sources that links these children to Richard? Regarding DNA for the Richard Robbins of Randolph Co., NC descendants, has anyone else in your Isaac line tested or are you the only one? 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So mentioned in Issac's will. Issac was son of Richard per John German. John said Richard paid tax for Issac. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7/7/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 7, 2014, 11:25 AM  Chris,Was John Fletcher Robbins the son of Isaac Robbins son of Richard Robins 1709? If correct, do you know how this connection was made? 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I wasnât sure Isaac was Richardâs son as my information came from Dr.Lanier Jones whose work lacks sources. Thanks for clarifying that point. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 12:26 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 Sara, Yes John Fletcher was the son of Issac. So mentioned in Issac's will. Issac was son of Richard per John German. John said Richard paid tax for Issac. Chris -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7/7/14, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Richard Robbins b. abt. 1709 To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 7, 2014, 11:25 AM Chris,Was John Fletcher Robbins the son of Isaac Robbins son of Richard Robins 1709? If correct, do you know how this connection was made? Documentation for it? 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I suppose he either died or migrated elsewhere. Thanks for providing this information. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 12:26 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Anson Rowan land Deeds Elisha Robins- Interesting [2 Attachments] Elisha Robins land deed in Anson Co North Carolina is the same land deed that Elisha had surveyed in 1753 and Richard has this land by 1754. Elisha Robins warrant dated 1 Dec 1753 to James Carter to survey 640 acres in Rowan Co on Muddy Creek entering into Deep River on the month of Second branch entering into said creek. Entered 7 Feb 1752 Richard Robins has this land in 29 April 1754 640 acres in Rowan County both sides of Muddy Creek of Deep River and both sides of the second branch of the said creek; CC Marmaduke Victory, William Robins Warrant dated Dec 1, 1753 Richard and Elisha Robbins were SCC for land deed of Maraduke Vickory 22 Feb 1759- 151 acres Rowan of St Luke Parish I Believe this is the last records on Elisha Robbins 1759? Who was he Son, FATHER or Brother of Richard Cousin? William, Elisha and Richard Robins with Elisha Isaacs were Witness to Land Deed of John Nation 22 Feb 1759, 260 acres Rowan in the Parish of St Luke Isaac and Michael Robbins were SCC FOR THE LAND DEED OF William Thornbrough 10 June 1761 , 562 acres in Rowan County in The Parish of St Luke Richard Robbins had land joining the land deed of Edward Thornberry 27 Aug 1762 538 acres in Rowan on the west side of the deep r on both side of Muddy Creek Marmaduke Vickory, William Robbins were CC for Richard Robbins deed 29 Arp 1754 We canât rule out the kinship of these Robbins in Rowan NC BECAUSE THERE ARE TO MANY LAND DEED WHERE THEY APPEAR . It appears that Richardâs proven sons were Isaac Jacob Michael, and Richard Jr. But who was Elisha and William James, John, Mathias, Jonathan (there is little question that Jonathan and Mathias were the brothers to Nancy Ann Robbins) Joseph Robbins who died in 1754 had three sons Joseph, Wm, John and in his Will he leaves Joseph 400 acres, WM 200 acres and John 126 acres never found these land deeds There are the deeds these three men had later I Believe Abstracts of The Minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions Rowan NC 1763-1774 by Jo White Lynn John Robbins 302 acres 16 Feb 1763 Joseph Robbins 202 acres 16 Feb 1763 William Robbins 200 acres 14 Feb 1763 They sell the land; Deed from Joseph Robbins to Abram Woodward for 202 acres 2 April 1770 Deed From William Robbins to Victor Thompson for 200 acres 7 Mar 1779 Deed John Robbins and wife to Wm Robbins for 202 acres 15-16 Feb 1768 proved by Wm Millican Deed from John Robbins and wife Rachel to Thomas Little for 100 acres 28 Sept 1766 proved by Wm Millican, Esqr. Researching also; My other lines of Rowan Co are my 5th great grandfather William Welborn and HIS SON Isaac my 4th and his daughter Elisabeth my 3rd William Teague my 7th great grandfather and his daughter Charity Teague my 6th great and her husband John Swaim my 5th parents to my William Swaim and wife Nancy Ann Robbins my 4th great Later my Scotts and Russells were in Rowan by 1770 then On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:37 AM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Jerry, The deeds are interesting. Is Elisha Robins mentioned below the same Elisha Robins there is no record of after 1752? Thanks for posting this information. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 3:20 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Anson Rowan land Deeds Elisha Robins- Interesting Rowan County Register Editor; Jo White Linn Aug 1986, Vol. 1 # 3 Rowan County Land Entries 1752/53, By; Jo White Linn, C.G. The Editor is grateful to George Stevenson, archivist at the North Carolina Department of Cultural Resources, for making these early land records of two land entry books for land in the Anson/ Rowan area that were enter ed in Lord Granvilleâs Proprietary land Office in 1752/53, the year that Rowan County was formed. The entries showing land in Anson were in the area that fell into the new county of Rowan. In most cases, the original spelling has been retained. The citation is Secretary of State Records, Granville Land Office, County entry Book SS.1091 Nathaniel Reed 640 acres on each side of the Trading Path incl the place where Robt Miller lately lived and his inprovements 13 Nov. 1752 Edwd Thornberry 640 acres Anson incl Elisha Robins entry on 2nd branch Muddy Creek a branch of Deep River 7 Feb 1752 Marmaduke Nierey 640 acres Anson on both sides Deep R incl the month of Muddy Creek (I Think this should be Vickery 13 Feb 1752) John Nation 640 acres Anson on middle Creek fork of Polecat between Harman Coxes and Wm Haggat. 19 Feb 1752 Elisha Robins 640 acres Anson on Muddy Creek entering into Deep R on month of second branch entering sd creek. 5 Feb 1752 Elisha Robins 640 acres Anson on other side Deed R and about 2 or 3 miles from sd river and on E Side of a little mountain on the head of rich branch which empties into Polecat. 12 Feb 1752 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:995 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-09 07:16:43 Subject:DNA sorting Message: I can't help but notice that there is a lot of totally unrelated DNA kits in the Robbins DNA project. Does anyone know anything about the kits that are there that list a name other than Robbins as their ancestor? I think that the surname project should be just about the surname, unless there's some proof that the name has changed, or due to a NPE. Any advice on the disposition of the kits is welcome. I can classify them as unrelated, remove them from the project, or just leave them as ungrouped. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:996 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-07-09 09:32:25 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA sorting Message: Richard, I think you have been inclusive by posting options for members to have an input on the revision of the Robbins DNA webpage. If no one speaks up with a suggestion, preference or new information, then I believe you are fr ee to carry out your vision for the page whatever that may be. Thank you for taking on this project & your time to organize & improve upon the Robbins DNA information. I do think it is important to have more testing don e by those with the Robbins surname who believe they relate to Daniel Robins. I hope Tod will be able to test soon as his line has a very good paper trail from the NJ Robbins to Salt Lake. However, DNA confirmation is n eeded. I continue to look for candidates in all lines who want to confirm their paper trail. The most recent was the James Harvey Robbins descendant who turned out to not be related. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 7:17 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA sorting I can't help but notice that there is a lot of totally unrelated DNA kits in the Robbins DNA project. Does anyone know anything about the kits that are there that list a name other than Robbins as their ancestor? I think that the surname project should be just about the surname, unless there's some proof that the name has changed, or due to a NPE. Any advice on the disposition of the kits is welcome. I can classify them as unrelated, remove them from the project, or just leave them as ungrouped. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:997 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-10 07:53:56 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA sorting Message: I have categorized the Robbins surnames by haplogroup, and have placed the unrelated surnames in their own category. The unrelated ones that match the modal have their own category as well. Unfortunately, this is all likely to change with advances in the science of DNA, so it will be an ongoing struggle to keep up with the changes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:998 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-07-10 11:35:18 Subject:Fw: Robbins family search Message: does any one have this family in their line of Robbins that can help this lady out thanks shirley Hi I found an older posting from you on rootsweb. My great grandmother was Melissa Robbins born 1844 to Jacob and Maria Robbins. Jacob's parents were Harvey and Anna Robbins. They all lived in Upstate NY, Herkimer area. Do es this connect to any of your Robbins? I have not been able to find any siblings for Jacob and have not been able to get any documentation for Harvey and this is driving me crazy. Thanks Janeice ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:999 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-07-10 11:58:02 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA sorting Message: I took a look at the DNA project...Nice job and thanks Richard!! ---- "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > I have categorized the Robbins surnames by haplogroup, and have placed the unrelated surnames in their own category. The unrelated ones that match the modal have their own category as well. > > Unfortunately, this is all likely to change with advances in the science of DNA, so it will be an ongoing struggle to keep up with the changes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1000 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-10 14:54:48 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA sorting Message: Thanks! I am hoping that this sorting will help to define relationships for all Robbins researchers, I can't say how long it will be before it changes, though. I have purchased 2 tests for SNP's related to the next step in the haplogroup classification, they are Z 2103 and CTS7822. , what is predicted in this project. Family Tree DNA - R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht 35 Project) https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/ https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/ Family Tree DNA - R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project... https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/ View on www.familytreedna.com https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/ Preview by Yahoo I am hoping that this matches others in the group, as well. I'd be interested to see if those that participate in the Robbins DNA project also will participate in this. Another set of eyes never hurt anything. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1001 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-07-11 12:02:40 Subject:Aaron Rob(b)ins born ca 1683, son of Daniel Robins Message: Can someone help me gather data about Aaron? I am supposedly a descendant of Daniel Robins through Aaron and would love to nail down some facts and sources. I also noticed that Aaron's line has not been tested here: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/robins If I am a male direct descendant, then I should really take some DNA tests! Anyhow, thanks in advance! PS: For those of you on FamilySearch Family Tree, here's his page: https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor&person=LZVQ-9YV -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1002 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2014-07-11 12:42:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Aaron Rob(b)ins born ca 1683, son of Daniel Robins Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1003 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-11 15:50:19 Subject:Re: Aaron Rob(b)ins born ca 1683, son of Daniel Robins Message: I was looking through that tree on the LDS site, and could not make any sense of what was there. The old baptisms and genealogies are flawed beyond Daniel and Hope. Richard Robins and Hope Potter??? and beyond to John R obins and Mary Rebecca Welles? But, that's what happens when people feel that they have to add just "one" more ancestor to the family... In this case, two. My wife's side is just as bad, they threw in some information in the LDS database that was seriously flawed regarding her grandfather and brothers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1004 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-11 16:12:28 Subject:Y-DNA calculations Message: This page was suggested to me by one of the genealogists on the ISOGG site on Facebook, I am going to have to sit down and try and get a count as to the modal Y-DNA on the Robbins DNA project and see if this method will tell us anything. LESSON 14: More with the Y - WHEATON SURNAME RESOURCES https://sites.google.com/site/wheatonsurname/beginners-guide-to-genetic-genealogy/lesson-14-more-with-the-y LESSON 14: More with the Y - WHEATON SURNAME RESOURCES https://sites.google.com/site/wheatonsurname/beginners-guide-to-genetic-genealogy/lesson-14-more-with-the-y Common Versus Rare Y-Haplotypes Many thanks to Robert B rooks Casey for posting the formula he uses for weighted values. View on sites.google.com https://sites.google.com/site/wheatonsurname/beginners-guide-to-genetic-genealogy/lesson-14-more-with-the-y Preview by Yahoo The chart that they use to do the calculations is below: http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/Casey/Sources/Y-STR_Frequencies.pdf http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/Casey/Sources/Y-STR_Frequencies.pdf This is used with 67 marker results only. If this is done, this will determine just how rare of a haplotype the group 1 Robbins results are. Stay tuned. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1005 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-11 17:14:18 Subject:Re: Y-DNA calculations Message: And, now the results of the test on the Modal result. The Robbins modal scored 849 on this test, the score is as follows. or R1b* 100 or less: very common marker values 100 to 300: common marker values, 300 to 500: average marker values 500 to 700: uncommon marker values and 700 and up: rare marker values So, be proud today, your genetic stuff, is very rare, indeed.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1006 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-07-11 18:10:45 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Aaron Rob(b)ins born ca 1683, son of Daniel Robins Message: The tree is unreliable. We all make errors but deliberately adding information with no basis for it does no service for future generations of researchers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@...m [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 3:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Aaron Rob(b)ins born ca 1683, son of Daniel Robins I was looking through that tree on the LDS site, and could not make any sense of what was there. The old baptisms and genealogies are flawed beyond Daniel and Hope. Richard Robins and Hope Potter??? and beyond to John R obins and Mary Rebecca Welles? But, that's what happens when people feel that they have to add just "one" more ancestor to the family... In this case, two. My wife's side is just as bad, they threw in some information in the LDS database that was seriously flawed regarding her grandfather and brothers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1007 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-07-11 18:14:20 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Y-DNA calculations Message: John German said the Robins DNA was rare. It looks like he was right. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 5:14 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Y-DNA calculations And, now the results of the test on the Modal result. The Robbins modal scored 849 on this test, the score is as follows. or R1b* 100 or less: very common marker values 100 to 300: common marker values, 300 to 500: average marker values 500 to 700: uncommon marker values and 700 and up: rare marker values So, be proud today, your genetic stuff, is very rare, indeed.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1008 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-07-14 06:37:11 Subject:Robins name and DNA Message: Dear Sara and Richard, Perhaps you could say something about the Name Robins. I believe that Robin is a sort of endearment form of Robert. Am I correct?? That would make the bridge between Robertson and Robinson. Then i t is easy to drop the "son". I have been to the DNA projects of those two names and I don't see our Daniel Robins having matches in those projects. Are we included in Clan donnachaidh?? Richard, do you see us fitting in with the DNA of either?? And Sara is there a single Robinson from the SPOWs that you are researching that you could tell us about and perhaps we could help you do so some searching. Did any leave good records?? Thanks for all you Do. Caroline ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1009 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-07-14 07:17:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins name and DNA Message: For a number of years I was a member of The Clan Donnachaidh Society in Pertshire, Scotland. When they did a DNA project of Robinson/Robertson, I gave them access to my DNA kit at Family Tree DNA. They said that m y DNA was closer to the Duncan's than to Robinson/Robertson. Also, for those that do know, Clan Donnachaidh means sons of Duncan (the Duncan killed by McBeth) in Gaelic.  Chris Robbins On Monday, July 14, 2014 9:37 AM, "cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Dear Sara and Richard, Perhaps you could say something about the Name Robins. I believe that Robin is a sort of endearment form of Robert. Am I correct?? That would make the bridge between Robertson and Robinson. Then i t is easy to drop the "son". I have been to the DNA projects of those two names and I don't see our Daniel Robins having matches in those projects. Are we included in Clan donnachaidh?? Richard, do you see us fitting in with the DNA of either?? And Sara is there a single Robinson from the SPOWs that you are researching that you could tell us about and perhaps we could help you do so some searching. Did any leave good records?? Thanks for all you Do. Caroline ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1010 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-14 10:25:21 Subject:Re: Robins name and DNA Message: The most interesting entry on the web was this from a site that seems to be broken. I've never heard of such information before, but it may bear some investigation. The DNA of the Duncans seems to have some matching characteristics to the Robbins DNA signature, but once you get past the initial 12 marker signature matches, the DNA match kind of goes off the rails, so to speak. Here is the text I found from the site www.HouseOfNames.com Where did the Scottish Robins family come from? When did the Robins family first arrive in the United States? Where did the various branches of the family go? What is the Robins family history? The surname Robins was first used in the Scottish/English Borderlands by an ancient Scottish people called the Strathclyde- Britons. It was a name for someone who lived in Peeblesshire. The Robins surname was also a pa tronymic name created from the personal name Robin, a pet form of Robert. Robins Early Origins The many spelling variations in Medieval Scottish names result from the fact that scribes in that era spelled words according to sound. Translation too, was an undeveloped science, and many names were altered into comp lete obscurity. Over the years Robins has been spelled Robbins, Robbyns, Robens, Robins, Robin and others. First found in Peeblesshire (Gaelic: Siorrachd nam Pùballan), former county in South-central Scotland, in the present day Scottish Borders Council Area, where they held a family seat from early times and their first r ecords appeared on the early census rolls taken by the early Kings of Scotland to determine the rate of taxation of their subjects. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1011 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-07-16 04:18:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins name and DNA Message: Chris, Are you saying that after the DNA comparison....You left Clan Donnachaidh? Isn't it true that a lot of unrelated people took the same surname to identify with a prominent family?? ---- "C ROBBINS candcn10ac@bellsouth.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > For a number of years I was a member of The Clan Donnachaidh Society in Pertshire, Scotland. When they did a DNA project of Robinson/Robertson, I gave them access to my DNA kit at Family Tree DNA. They said that my DNA was closer to the Duncan's than to Robinson/Robertson. Also, for those that do know, Clan Donnachaidh means sons of Duncan (the Duncan killed by McBeth) in Gaelic. >  > Chris Robbins > > > On Monday, July 14, 2014 9:37 AM, "cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > > >  > Dear Sara and Richard, Perhaps you could say something about the Name Robins. I believe that Robin is a sort of endearment form of Robert. Am I correct?? That would make the bridge between Robertson and Robinson. Then it is easy to drop the "son". I have been to the DNA projects of those two names and I don't see our Daniel Robins having matches in those projects. Are we included in Clan donnachaidh?? Richard, do you see us fitting in with the DNA of either?? And Sara is there a single Robinson from the SPOWs that you are researching that you could tell us about and perhaps we could help you do so some searching. Did any leave good records?? Thank s for all you Do. > Caroline > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1012 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-16 11:50:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins name and DNA Message: Someday, if there is a way to see the results in the UK for Y-DNA testing, there may be a common link. I'd say that there will be someday. As to what surname is linked, or whether it will be a SNP vs a STR match, I cannot say. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1013 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-07-16 11:56:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins name and DNA Message: I stopped paying dues to the Society long after their DNA project. Got tired of paying $25 a year for nothing other than the right to say I was a member. Could not afford to go to Scotland for the annual gathering of the Clan.  Chris On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:50 PM, "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote:  Someday, if there is a way to see the results in the UK for Y-DNA testing, there may be a common link. I'd say that there will be someday. As to what surname is linked, or whether it will be a SNP vs a STR match, I cannot say. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1014 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-17 16:46:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robins name and DNA Message: I can understand why you would not pay that $25 if you were not getting any benefit of membership other than bragging rights. I'm wondering how the association of the Robbins name was drawn outside of the obvious connection with the Robinson name with the Donnachaidh clan and Blair Athol. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1015 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-07-18 13:51:15 Subject:Re: MAPS Message: http://www.mapofus.org/united-states/ HERE IS SOME MAPS I HOPE YOU ALL CAN USE FIND THE STATE AND CLICK ON PLAY SHIRLEY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1016 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-07-19 12:07:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: MAPS Message: Those are pretty neat! Thanks for passing them along, Shirley! -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1017 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-27 09:28:56 Subject:Robbins DNA testing Message: Too darn quiet in here, so time to stir the pot, so to speak. I'm wondering how many participants in this group have tested with FTDNA for the Y-DNA tests, or other companies for autosomal DNA testing. I have looked over the reports for the Family Finder testing in the admin section of the database, and it seems as if there could be some possibilities using that tool to tell a degree of relationship, or number of gen erations between the common ancestry between 2 people. Is anyone here on Family Finder? 23 and me, or Ancestry? I'd like to ask those that are, or are considering testing, to do an upload to gedmatch.com. The platforms I mentioned above have their own databases, which do not share info with each other, Gedmatch takes data from a ll three, and makes them searchable in one cross platform program. Our matches would be, more than likely, out of the threshold of gedmatch minimum 7 centimorgans, but dropping the threshold would give matches that could be relevant in identifying Robbins descendants, I believe. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1018 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2014-07-27 15:16:29 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /DANIELL ROBINSON SCOTTISH POW ALSO KNOWN AS DANIEL ROBINS.docx Uploaded by : turkeypt2 Description : DANIELL ROBINSON SCOTTISH POW AKA DANIEL ROBINS You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/files/DANIELL%20ROBINSON%20SCOTTISH%20POW%20ALSO%20KNOWN%20AS%20DANIEL%20ROBINS.docx To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, turkeypt2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1019 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-27 15:53:08 Subject:Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins Message: Dear Group, I uploaded a file that may answer questions or provide a perspective on the person of Daniel Robinson/Robins.Maybe not for those of you who have been around the Daniel Robins family genealogy circles for awh ile. However, I thought it may help members who are just starting to search the Daniel Robins family. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1020 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-07-27 16:33:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins/ Message: Sara I could not get it to come up on my computer. Anyone else have trouble?? Caroline ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Dear Group, I uploaded a file that may answer questions or provide a perspective on the person of Daniel Robinson/Robins.Maybe not for those of you who have been around the Daniel Robins family genealogy circles for a while. However, I thought it may help members who are just starting to search the Daniel Robins family. > Sara > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1021 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-07-27 18:19:26 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins/ Message: Caroline, Sorry, I have no idea how to help. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 4:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins/ Sara I could not get it to come up on my computer. Anyone else have trouble?? Caroline ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Dear Group, I uploaded a file that may answer questions or provide a perspective on the person of Daniel Robinson/Robins.Maybe not for those of you who have been around the Daniel Robins family genealogy circles for a while. However, I thought it may help members who are just starting to search the Daniel Robins family. > Sara > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1022 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-07-27 20:52:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins/ Message: Caroline, Not sure why you're having trouble downloading the Word doc from the files section of the group but I've attached the Word file and a PDF of the same to my email. Hopefully that works for you! Thanks for the enlightening essay Sara! On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:19 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Caroline, > > Sorry, I have no idea how to help. > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2014 4:34 PM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins/ > > > > > > Sara I could not get it to come up on my computer. Anyone else have > trouble?? Caroline > > ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Dear Group, I uploaded a file that may answer questions or provide a > perspective on the person of Daniel Robinson/Robins.Maybe not for those of > you who have been around the Daniel Robins family genealogy circles for > awhile. However, I thought it may help members who are just starting to > search the Daniel Robins family. > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1023 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-07-19 07:52:54 Subject:Fw: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA25 Test Match Message: Here is a old email that perhaps may help in the search for our old DNA records. Shirley --- On Tue, 7/17/12, noreply@... wrote: > From: noreply@... > Subject: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA25 Test Match > To: robins.shirley@... > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:01 PM > > > > Customer: Y-DNA25 Match > > > > A Y-DNA25 match > has been found between kit 111211, > Shirley Robbins, and another person(s) in the > Family Tree > DNA database. > > > Our help pages > have the answers to questions about > Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) matches. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/9.aspx > > > Follow the link below > to access your myFTDNA account. > > Your Kit Number is 111211 > > http://www.familytreedna.com/login.aspx > > > > > Thank you for testing > at Family Tree DNA, > > Family Tree DNA > > http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com > > "History Unearthed Daily" > > > ~~~ > > > Visit our Facebook > page at > http://www.tinyurl.com/ftdna-fb and join by > clicking "Like" > > > The International > Society of Genetic Genealogy (ISOGG): > > ISOGG is dedicated to promoting the use of genetics > for genealogy. To learn more, > visit the ISOGG website at http://www.isogg.org > or contact isogg@.... > > > This message contains > informational content. Please > do not reply to this message. Replies to this > message will not be read. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------This > message was processed by the FTDNA Email System.The > original headers are:To: > robins.shirley@...: GUID: > a2d9a9d9-f57a-4b7f-bc3c-3f738d467468 @ ::1 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1024 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-07-27 20:55:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Aaron Rob(b)ins born ca 1683, son of Daniel Robins Message: Sara, What documents do we have regarding Aaron? I'm pouring through your publications but would love any help in this regard as I am trying to clean up the FamilySearch Family Tree as well. Ha! On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:10 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > The tree is unreliable. We all make errors but deliberately adding > information with no basis for it does no service for future generations of > researchers. > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 3:50 PM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Aaron Rob(b)ins born ca 1683, son > of Daniel Robins > > > > > > I was looking through that tree on the LDS site, and could not make any > sense of what was there. The old baptisms and genealogies are flawed beyond > Daniel and Hope. Richard Robins and Hope Potter??? and beyond to John > Robins and Mary Rebecca Welles? But, that's what happens when people feel > that they have to add just "one" more ancestor to the family... In this > case, two. > > > > My wife's side is just as bad, they threw in some information in the LDS > database that was seriously flawed regarding her grandfather and brothers. > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1025 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-07-27 23:18:04 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Aaron Rob(b)ins born ca 1683, son of Daniel Robins Message: Tod, I donât quite understand what it is you need for your line? Are you saying you donât know your line? You asked if there Is there are documents for Aaron Robins, Sr.? Please look at theâ Robins, Robbins of New Jerseyâ publication. You published the link to the book. You will find Aaron Robinsâ profile on pg. 14, a cop y of his family tree on pgs. 31 & 32, a copy of his original handwritten will & a transcription on pgs. 155, 156 & 157, 10-Aaron Robins 10th child of Daniel & Hope Robins on pgs. 436 to 461 a history & genealogy for Aar on & his descendants written by his descendant Charles Robbins Hutchinson 19th century historian & Robbins family researcher. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:56 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Aaron Rob(b)ins born ca 1683, son of Daniel Robins Sara, What documents do we have regarding Aaron? I'm pouring through your publications but would love any help in this regard as I am trying to clean up the FamilySearch Family Tree as well. Ha! On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:10 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: The tree is unreliable. We all make errors but deliberately adding information with no basis for it does no service for future generations of researchers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 3:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Aaron Rob(b)ins born ca 1683, son of Daniel Robins I was looking through that tree on the LDS site, and could not make any sense of what was there. The old baptisms and genealogies are flawed beyond Daniel and Hope. Richard Robins and Hope Potter??? and beyond to John R obins and Mary Rebecca Welles? But, that's what happens when people feel that they have to add just "one" more ancestor to the family... In this case, two. My wife's side is just as bad, they threw in some information in the LDS database that was seriously flawed regarding her grandfather and brothers. -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1026 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-07-28 02:34:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins/ [2 Attachments] Message: Thanks Tod!! ---- "'todd.d.robbins@...' todd.d.robbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Caroline, > > Not sure why you're having trouble downloading the Word doc from the files > section of the group but I've attached the Word file and a PDF of the same > to my email. Hopefully that works for you! > > Thanks for the enlightening essay Sara! > > > > > On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:19 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > > > Caroline, > > > > Sorry, I have no idea how to help. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > *Sent:* Sunday, July 27, 2014 4:34 PM > > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Sara I could not get it to come up on my computer. Anyone else have > > trouble?? Caroline > > > > ---- "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < > > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Dear Group, I uploaded a file that may answer questions or provide a > > perspective on the person of Daniel Robinson/Robins.Maybe not for those of > > you who have been around the Daniel Robins family genealogy circles for > > awhile. However, I thought it may help members who are just starting to > > search the Daniel Robins family. > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1027 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-28 06:38:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins/ Message: The problem would lie with the format of the file itself. DOCX files are not able to be read by older versions of the Word software. For general use files of this nature should be saved as the more generic DOC format. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1028 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-28 06:39:40 Subject:Re: Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins Message: Sara, can I submit this file to the Scottish POW group? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1029 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-07-28 07:46:27 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins Message: Yes, if they are interested. I submitted a bio for Daniel Robins to the SPOW site as requested. The last time I checked it hadnât been posted so asked Teresa. She said sheâd had been busy but hadnât forgot. Hope she ha s it on the site by now. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:40 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins Sara, can I submit this file to the Scottish POW group? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1030 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-07-28 16:46:33 Subject:Fw: Family Tree DNA: Announcing NEW Big Y Filters and Price Change! Message: From: Family Tree DNA Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:08 PM To: ladyfan3@frontier.com Subject: Family Tree DNA: Announcing NEW Big Y Filters and Price Change! Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser Dear Project Administrators, We are excited to announce the release of a new feature to help Big Y testers refine their matches! Now, you'll be able to easily filter out matches that aren't genealogically relevant t o you. 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To unsubscribe please click here Family Tree DNA 1445 North Loop West, 820, Houston, TX, 77008 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1031 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2014-07-28 16:58:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] File Formats Message: I would suggest downloading Libre Office suite, which is free, and has no problem with the newer Word formats. From my standpoint, Microsoft has made a big mistake with their current pricing policy on Office. ________________________________ From: "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robinson aka Daniel Robins/ The problem would lie with the format of the file itself. DOCX files are not able to be read by older versions of the Word software. For general use files of this nature should be saved as the more generic DOC format. ________________________________ Posted by: richard.robbins13@... ________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1032 Sender:todd.d.robbins@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-30 08:56:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] File Formats Message: William's suggestion is a good one. Both Open Office and Libre Office are free and open source (meaning they are open to the community and actively developed by the community): ⢠Apache OpenOffice - The Free and Open Productivity Suite https://www.openoffice.org/ Apache OpenOffice - The Free and Open Productivity Suite https://www.openoffice.org/ The official home page of the Apache OpenOffice open source project, home of OpenOffice Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw and Base. View on www.openoffice.org https://www.openoffice.org/ Preview by Yahoo ⢠Home | LibreOffice - Free Office Suite - Fun Project - Fantastic People http://www.libreoffice.org/ Home | LibreOffice - Free Office Suite - Fun Project - Fantastic People http://www.libreoffice.org/ Welcome to the official website of the LibreOffice project: the office suite the community has been dreaming for years . Download the latest version now. View on www.libreoffice.org http://www.libreoffice.org/ Preview by Yahoo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1033 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-30 10:46:31 Subject:Moving this group to a new site Message: Tod, You posted on the SPOW site that you are planning to move this group to another site. When we went from the previous Robbins Yahoo group to the present Robbins Family Society Yahoo group we lost more than 1/2 of our me mbers. Please consider presenting your ideas or plans to the group & why it needs to move & what are the benefits of a move. Possibly then have the group vote on it or take a poll. Thanks, Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1034 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-30 14:37:15 Subject:Re: Moving this group to a new site Message: I don't believe that he was talking about this group but instead making a website of some sort. But, plans would be nice to discuss with the group, I believe. Does anyone have the former group's email list? Were they notified of the change in the group name? And really, why the change was needed in the first place? Outside of the South Jersey name, the focus was on the desce ndants of Daniel Robins. And really, that's what I am primarily interested in. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1035 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-07-30 15:44:25 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Moving this group to a new site Message: The change in the group was due to me stepping down as moderator in 2010. After 5 years, I found the group took more time than I wanted to invest. Since then Iâve been able to focus on other projects & publish the two C ivil War books I had in the works for a long time. We owe Tod a big thanks for his willingness to assume the duties of owner & moderator. Yahoo wouldnât allow us to transfer the site directly to Tod in 2010 so he started a new Yahoo group & changed the name to the pres ent one. All the former members were notified the group was changing hands. There was a place on the former site with all the members e-mail addresses. I donât believe Yahoo makes that available here now. I had a paper copy but didnât keep it after Tod took over. When I first formed the group in 2005, I had intended to focus on my South Jersey line of the Richard Robbins son of Daniel & Hope Robins line only along with their allied families. Thatâs how the South Jersey came into the name. Soon after we began, it quickly evolved into a Daniel & Hope Potter Robins & all their children site & has continued since with the same subject. The name Tod chose for this site I believe is more appropriate . Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:37 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Moving this group to a new site I don't believe that he was talking about this group but instead making a website of some sort. But, plans would be nice to discuss with the group, I believe. Does anyone have the former group's email list? Were they notified of the change in the group name? And really, why the change was needed in the first place? Outside of the South Jersey name, the focus was on the descen dants of Daniel Robins. And really, that's what I am primarily interested in. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1036 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-31 05:37:49 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Moving this group to a new site Message: Thanks, Sara, for the clarification. Another resource that is underutilized is the message board at World Families for the Robbins surname. I wonder whether the medium we use here is the issue for some potential partici pants? I would like to set the message board up to have categories, but I don't seem to have access. The Robbins message board at FTM , is closing. I would like to direct the participants at the board to come to the WF site.What are your thoughts? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1037 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-07-31 09:50:50 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Moving this group to a new site Message: Richard, Iâm not familiar with the WF message board or the WF site. As a Robbins Family Society member, Iâm good with you directing participants to WF or any other new site. I donât have the answer to whether the medium here is the issue for some potential participants. My thoughts are a new site may be just what is needed. Current members may have questions, opinions, advice or suggestions to offer on the moving to a new site topic. It would be nice to hear from them. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Moving this group to a new site Thanks, Sara, for the clarification. Another resource that is underutilized is the message board at World Families for the Robbins surname. I wonder whether the medium we use here is the issue for some potential partici pants? I would like to set the message board up to have categories, but I don't seem to have access. The Robbins message board at FTM , is closing. I would like to direct the participants at the board to come to the WF site.What are your thoughts? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1038 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-31 14:11:36 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Moving this group to a new site Message: The World Family site message board can be used for threaded discussion just as this one is used, except that it is more graphically oriented.I don't seem to have access to the bulletin board there, it seems as if I'd h ave to ask for access or something. If there were a reliable free server that could be used for a PHP BB, which is a type of bulletin board system, I'd be all over that in a hot second. Problem is that anything on line has the potential for "disappeari ng" so I'd like to see some sort of permanent record. God knows what that could be. Tod maybe you can add a few comments on this? Adding files, pictures and other files like video are easy to do,and are auto archived if you wish them to be, within the bulletin board I am mentioning. Not so much with the WF site. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1039 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-07-31 14:26:10 Subject:Richard Hill's guide to DNA testing Message: The link below has a very informative PDF file that is a guide to DNA testing for newbies. It was written by Richard Hill. Please have a look at this, at http://www.dna-testing-adviser.com/support-files/guide-to-dna-testing.pdf http://www.dna-testing-adviser.com/support-files/guide-to-dna-testing.pdf Save it to your computer or tablet and view it at your leisure. It is a very interesting read. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1040 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-08-01 07:17:04 Subject:Re: Richard Hill's guide to DNA testing Message: Richard, Thanks for the DNA link. The file is easy to read & written in a way anybody can understand. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1041 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2014-08-26 11:33:43 Subject:Isaac ROBINS of Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: Does anyone have any evidence as to the spouse of Isaac ROBBINS (1758 Hunterdon Co NJ - 1836 PA, son of Daniel (1736 Hunterdon Co - 1802 Sussex Co NJ) ? There is a deed (badly faded and difficult to read), Isaac & unreadable (maybe Bershiba?) ROBINS to Henry MINGLE dated 19 Aug 1825. Isaac is stated as being of Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ (Warren Co was established from Sussex Co in 1824). I'm trying identify the Isaac ROBINS in this deed. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1042 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-08-26 12:42:18 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS of Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: Hi, I don't have any information for you but does anyone have information on his children? Thank you -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/26/14, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS of Sussex/Warren Co, NJ To: "ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List" Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2014, 1:33 PM  Does anyone have any evidence as to the spouse of Isaac ROBBINS (1758 Hunterdon Co NJ - 1836 PA, son of Daniel (1736 Hunterdon Co - 1802 Sussex Co NJ) ? There is a deed (badly faded and difficult to read), Isaac & unreadable (maybe Bershiba?) ROBINS to Henry MINGLE dated 19 Aug 1825. Isaac is stated as being of Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ (Warren Co was established from Sussex Co in 1824). 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I am attaching some information I found in deeds. Richard Robbins, assignee of Isaac, sold what was left of Isaac's land. The 29 acres which Isaac and Bershebe?? sold is mentioned in where it says 57 acres was sold, and 29 acres of this 57 acre plot were excluded, having been previously been sold to Henry Mingle. The 57 acres was part of 4 tracts deeded to Isaac by Daniel Vaughan and Daniel Robbins of Canada. I don't have anything on Bershebe, but I'd love it if you would let me know what you find out. Peggy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1044 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2014-08-28 11:10:02 Subject:Re: Isaac ROBINS of Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: Thanks Peggy. Are you referring to Daniel ROBINS, 1736 in Amwell Twp - 1802 Sussex Co, the son of John ROBINS (1695 Woodbridge - 1777) & Elener ------? I didn't see anything in the deed which states Isaac as being the son of this Daniel. Did I miss something? Is there something else which connects them? > Marshall, > > This Isaac Robins is the son of Daniel Robins of Knowlton. I am attaching > some information I found in deeds. Richard Robbins, assignee of Isaac, sold > what was left of Isaac's land. The 29 acres which Isaac and Bershebe?? sold > is mentioned in where it says 57 acres was sold, and 29 acres of this 57 > acre plot were excluded, having been previously been sold to Henry Mingle. > The 57 acres was part of 4 tracts deeded to Isaac by Daniel Vaughan and > Daniel Robbins of Canada. > > I don't have anything on Bershebe, but I'd love it if you would let me know > what you find out. > > > > Peggy -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1045 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-08-29 03:24:38 Subject:Fw: Announcing the Family Tree DNA End of Summer Sale! 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Message: I wanted to inform those that are interested in Genealogy in relation to autosomal DNA, that Family Tree currently has a project in beta (not ready for general use) that is for use within Family Finder. I see that this may involve the existing groups somehow, and perhaps the Robbins related folks can see just how they match up with other Robbins participants through the Family Finder test, as well as those that match other surnames, of course. I'd be interested to see if the Family Finder results will be included in the results page on our Robbins project page. That could lead to more connections between all of us, and more. Or, per haps the may have to be a new group for those people... Either way, I am uploading my 23 and me results to Family Finder, so I'll find out how this works, someday. Through using the Gedmatch tool, I have found one match in my autosomal DNA to my 2nd Great Grandfather's daughter. Our most recent common ancestor was 4 generations ago. I am hearing that 7 generations is the most dis tant match possible within that test. So, as Shirley has suggested, use the discounted rates at FTDNA for a limited time if you have the capability. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1048 Sender:"Roy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2014-09-01 06:57:30 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: Announcing the Family Tree DNA End of Summer Sale! Message: Hello Shirley, Yes, I did get information. Roy From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 3:11 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fw: Announcing the Family Tree DNA End of Summer Sale! did every one get the sale price on the DNA kits on sale now until 9/3/2014 shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1049 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-09-04 09:23:05 Subject:Wife of Isaac Robins Message: Marshall & Mary, According to Murray Aspden's Ancestry tree, the wife of Isaac Robins born June 29, 1758 in Amwell, Hunterdon Co., NJ. and died after 1836 in Columbia Co., PA. was Bathsheba Hummel. The Rev War pension records for Isaac Robins doesn't give the name of his wife. I'm unable to locate a source for Isaac's marriage to Bathsheba Hummel. However, the deed posted by Marshall indicates the name of Isaac's wife although faded appears to be Ba thsheba or Beersheba. Since Murray is a member of this group perhaps he will be willing to shed some light on his finding for Bathsheba as a Hummel & his source. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1050 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-09-06 08:43:20 Subject:FTDNA Family Finder Matches Message: My results are in, and it seems as if there are some clear cut matches within Family Finder on FTDNA to enable me to see that, in fact, there are some Robbins matches that seem to pop up in Family Finder that have some relation to the Robbins family in New Jersey. I matched a man, who hasn't responded to me yet, that had listed his Robbins line as being from NJ. This person has a match at 22cM (centiMorgans) Running matches with an "in common with" feature, reveals possible matches for Robbins/Robins DNA matches. If anyone is interested in pursuing this angle of the DNA connection, I would encourage you to test at FTDNA fo r an autosomal Family Finder test. It is 99 dollars for the test, and this test along with Family Finder, has a superb genealogical component paired with it, so genealogies can be traced. They say that the autosomal tes t only goes back 7 generations for meaningful comparison, but I am interested in the potential to see if I can make matches with Robins participants farther down the line.. Project members in the Robbins Y DNA study have their results shown within the administrator tool in the admin site. The DNa can be compared for matches by the administrator, and relationships can be made through that tool. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1051 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-09-08 15:57:49 Subject:FTDNA Family Tree Message: I've just uploaded my GEDCOM and made it public. The new tree is quite Mundia like, and I believe that your tree can be uploaded whether or not you have Family Finder. It seems to be quite easy to work with and allows pictures and other notes to be appended to the pe rson in the tree. I hope that others here that have participated in the Y-DNA can upload their gedcoms for review by others. If you can't do the tree, and are a FTDNA customer for Y-DNA, please let me know. I do know that I had a previo us tree that was uploaded before the Family Finder autosomal transfer, so I am pretty sure that even the Y-DNA folks can upload. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1052 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-09-09 08:20:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] FTDNA Family Tree Message: Richard, Please forgive me being dense....would you please tell me how to find your tree?? Thanks Caroline ---- "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > I've just uploaded my GEDCOM and made it public. > > The new tree is quite Mundia like, and I believe that your tree can be uploaded whether or not you have Family Finder. It seems to be quite easy to work with and allows pictures and other notes to be appended to the person in the tree. > > > I hope that others here that have participated in the Y-DNA can upload their gedcoms for review by others. If you can't do the tree, and are a FTDNA customer for Y-DNA, please let me know. I do know that I had a prev ious tree that was uploaded before the Family Finder autosomal transfer, so I am pretty sure that even the Y-DNA folks can upload. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1053 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2014-09-10 04:25:57 Subject:Re: FTDNA Family Tree Message: I have never had to search for it. I know I can see trees of matches, but others may be a problem. I will let you know what I find out. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1054 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2014-09-12 16:26:27 Subject:Daniel ROBINS, d 1855 Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Can anyone place this family ? ... Will of Daniel Robins, deceased, of Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ Charles Thatcher, Surrogate Executor - Jonathan Robins Will written 9 May 1855, filed 12 Jun 1855 Names children: Jonathan, Isaac, Daniel I, Mary, Amelia Fisher (wife of William F Fisher), John W, Annibel Winters (wife of Lewis C Winters), Elizabeth Petty (wife of Charles Petty) Witnesses: H Hughes and I C Stewart -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1055 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2014-09-12 16:41:50 Subject:Daniel ROBINS, d 1855 (cont'd) Message: Daniel's wife may have been Ellen ------. Also, Daniel was probably closely related to Jonathan ROBINS (1793-1872, Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ). It may have been this Jonathan who was the executor of Daniel's will rather than Daniel's son, Jonathan. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1056 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-09-28 08:42:12 Subject:Re: Isaac ROBINS of Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: I guess that there's really no proof that they were related at all, through the deeds at least. For what it's worth, I am matching with certain people on FTDNA through their Family Finder. The one in particular has an A nne or Anna Robins from Sussex county, I match as a 4th cousin or beyond. Also match a Garrison. Who is looking for this surname, it sounds familiar. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1057 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2014-09-29 05:51:11 Subject:Re: Isaac ROBINS of Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: I'm interested in the GARRISON you're matching who is looking for the ROBINS surname. Please tell me more. > I guess that there's really no proof that they were related at all, > through the deeds at least. For what it's worth, I am matching with > certain people on FTDNA through their Family Finder. The one in > particular has an Anne or Anna Robins from Sussex county, I match as a > 4th cousin or beyond. > > Also match a Garrison. Who is looking for this surname, it sounds familiar. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1058 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-11-26 14:56:44 Subject:Hello all. Message: Just checking in to see if anyone is still following this message board. In any event, I am just stopping by to let all you Robins researchers know that I have taken the plunge and ordered a Big Y test for my surname gr oup in the Robbins DNA project. I hope that this will resolve some of the questions that John German had about the Robbins Y-DNA origins, or maybe it will bring up more questions. Time will tell. For those of you that have not taken advantage of the recent offers for the Family Finder on FTDNA, there is a sale going on right now. I would like those that are not taking advantage of the coupons to make them avail able for those that will. Post requests for coupons for specific tests you want to take, and I hope someone can match your requests. If you are on Facebook, the ISOGG page is posting requests and offers for coupons for this sale. I got a 100 dollar off coupon for the Big Y test. There are some for the family Finder available. Happy Thanksgiving to you all! Richard Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1059 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-11-26 15:23:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hello all. Message: Dear Richard, Bravo for you. ordering the big-Y. Perhaps it will start a whole bunch of others to do the same. I will wait with eager anticipation to see how it comes out. If I had the right stuff, I would join you. We have no Robins left to test. Remind me which kit number you are. Perhaps you will breath new life into this group. Happy Thanksgiving!! Caroline ---- "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Just checking in to see if anyone is still following this message board. In any event, I am just stopping by to let all you Robins researchers know that I have taken the plunge and ordered a Big Y test for my surname group in the Robbins DNA project. I hope that this will resolve some of the questions that John German had about the Robbins Y-DNA origins, or maybe it will bring up more questions. Time will tell. > > > For those of you that have not taken advantage of the recent offers for the Family Finder on FTDNA, there is a sale going on right now. I would like those that are not taking advantage of the coupons to make them ava ilable for those that will. Post requests for coupons for specific tests you want to take, and I hope someone can match your requests. If you are on Facebook, the ISOGG page is posting requests and offers for coupons fo r this sale. I got a 100 dollar off coupon for the Big Y test. There are some for the family Finder available. > > > Happy Thanksgiving to you all! > > > Richard Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1060 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-11-26 19:09:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hello all. Message: Yes, still with you. Happy thanksgiving to all, Shirley Robbins Hawley Sent from my iPad > On Nov 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, "richard.robbins13@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > Just checking in to see if anyone is still following this message board. In any event, I am just stopping by to let all you Robins researchers know that I have taken the plunge and ordered a Big Y test for my surname group in the Robbins DNA project. I hope that this will resolve some of the questions that John German had about the Robbins Y-DNA origins, or maybe it will bring up more questions. Time will tell. > > > > For those of you that have not taken advantage of the recent offers for the Family Finder on FTDNA, there is a sale going on right now. I would like those that are not taking advantage of the coupons to make them avai lable for those that will. Post requests for coupons for specific tests you want to take, and I hope someone can match your requests. If you are on Facebook, the ISOGG page is posting requests and offers for coupons for this sale. I got a 100 dollar off coupon for the Big Y test. There are some for the family Finder available. > > > > Happy Thanksgiving to you all! > > > > Richard Robbins > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1061 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-11-26 21:03:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hello all. Message: There really is no reason to test further with the Big Y. What the terminal SNP test will show is the same result, generally, for all the Robins that match the Group 1 pattern. At least that is what I am told, anyway. I have help now, the admin from the HT35 project is on board and actively pursuing the test results as of right now. As I have been told, the DNA may be a Z2109. I am following the thread in the Anthrogenica forum for this subject closely. I am more interested in the origins of Daniel Robins' ancestors than anything else. As we may never know the exact origins of Daniel, genealogically, I think that this offers us an opportunity to finally get some closu re on this, hopefully. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1062 Sender:"richard.robbins13" Post Date/Time:2014-11-27 06:03:19 Subject:Re: Hello all. Message: My kit is 74013. Results will take a while but when ther come out they will be in the Snp secrion of the project pages. Sent from Samsung tablet ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1063 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2014-11-28 12:34:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Hello all. Message: Still ollowing the message board. Chris Robbins On Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:06 AM, "'richard.robbins13' richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: My kit is 74013. Results will take a while but when ther come out they will be in the Snp secrion of the project pages. Sent from Samsung tablet ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1064 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-12-06 09:40:09 Subject:Where's our Leader? Message: It appears to me we have an absentee owner & moderator of this group? What's up Tod? Please check in here with us. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1065 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-12-06 12:44:04 Subject:Re: Where's our Leader? Message: I can't really say, it seems kind of quiet here. ON a positive vein, I hear that those that are participants in the Robbins FTDNA project may have a new place to participate. It is called MyGroups, and is found when you sign in to your page at FTDNA. It is currently not enabled for the Robbins group, and is in beta right now. I hear that they will allow YDNA, and Family Finder participants a place to chat. So, maybe that may be a choice for some. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1066 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-06 16:03:17 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Message: Richard, Thanks for offering information regarding another site for Robbins researchers. Are you going to be the administrator for the Robbins MyGroups ? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 12:44 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? I can't really say, it seems kind of quiet here. ON a positive vein, I hear that those that are participants in the Robbins FTDNA project may have a new place to participate. It is called MyGroups, and is found when you sign in to your page at FTDNA. It is currently n ot enabled for the Robbins group, and is in beta right now. I hear that they will allow YDNA, and Family Finder participants a place to chat. So, maybe that may be a choice for some. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1067 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-12-06 21:38:20 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Message: I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discussio n, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1068 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-12-06 22:10:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Where's our Leader? Message: Sara, I'm confused by what you mean. I have been here all along. We haven't had any issues with spam as of late and aside from periods of lull it's a wonderful group. The FTDNA group sounds like a great place to discuss those findings. Cheers! âTod On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:40 AM, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > It appears to me we have an absentee owner & moderator of this group? > What's up Tod? Please check in here with us. > > Sara > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1069 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-06 22:32:18 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Where's our Leader? Message: Tod, Thanks for your response. I was puzzled when I noticed a post by you on the SPOW site a few days ago informing those members that you are working on a new site for this Robbins Family group. We havenât heard from you here for quite some time about anything. Just curious. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 10:11 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Where's our Leader? Sara, I'm confused by what you mean. I have been here all along. We haven't had any issues with spam as of late and aside from periods of lull it's a wonderful group. The FTDNA group sounds like a great place to discuss those findings. Cheers! âTod On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:40 AM, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: It appears to me we have an absentee owner & moderator of this group? What's up Tod? Please check in here with us. Sara -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1070 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-12-08 06:22:05 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Message: Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable t o share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline ---- "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discuss ion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1071 Sender:Donnaudc Post Date/Time:2014-12-08 07:47:53 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Message: Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) Donna Crowder 919-669-7580 -----Original Message----- From: cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable t o share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline ---- "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discuss ion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1072 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2014-12-08 08:04:31 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Message: I am continually researching into Robins/Robbins....I am not related, that I know of, so far. But I have worked on one relative for 40 years to see what his connections were, and who he was related to, and where his roots were and are. I would like to continue on as a member. There has been so much information gathered and put up. Very interesting and very linking to each other. Best to all this Season... Dorman Nelson Biographer www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com Grandson of Dinah Robbins/Garrison ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1073 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-12-08 11:55:49 Subject:How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Message: This is a followup on the subject of Daniel Robinson/Robins ability to buy land in NJ as posted by Peggy Robbins at the SPOW site. I think Peggy used to be a member her but don't know if she is right now. Anyhow I will add to the response I posted for Peggy at SPOW here. There is no record that Daniel Robinson/ Robins received any money or compensation as an indentured servant. I suppose it is quite possible he did but there has been no record discovered for it. I found no documentati on in any New Haven records that Daniel Robinson had any assets before his marriage to Hope Potter. However, there is documentation Hope had an inheritance as recorded in the New Haven Court Records. Hope took her mothe r Frances Potter to court over the misuse of the inheritance left by William Potter in his will to his children. The court ruled in Hope & her sisters favor giving them their share of money & land. Hope appears to have been the spouse with assets not Daniel. In his will Daniel mentions" land & goods that fall to me in New Haven Connecticut Collony". This is the New Haven land Daniel Sr. left to his son Daniel Robins, Jr & daughter Lyd ia Robins Thorpe. Daniel Robins, Jr. sold it in 1718 to Nathaniel & Samuel Potter, Hope's relatives. A copy of the original Robins/Potter New Haven land transaction was published in the Robins Robbins of New Jersey bo ok pages 148,149. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1074 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2014-12-08 12:23:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Message: I too have worked on my Robbins family for 40 years but after my gt. Grandfather I can't find any trace, records burned here. DNA has not helped. Shirley Robbins Hawley Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1075 Sender:Donnaudc Post Date/Time:2014-12-08 12:27:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Message: Shirley... who was your Great Grandfather? Donna Crowder 919-669-7580 -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 2:23 pm Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? I too have worked on my Robbins family for 40 years but after my gt. Grandfather I can't find any trace, records burned here. DNA has not helped. Shirley Robbins Hawley Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1076 Sender:"richard.robbins13" Post Date/Time:2014-12-09 06:05:02 Subject:Re: Where's our Leader? Message: I was not talking about this group, but the one that is AT FTDNA. And the message board does not even exist yet. If there are any relevant discussions there, you can join in. You are more than welcome to come and test, even female lines can join the Robbins project at FTDNA. Test the Family Finder test there. That way you can match with others that share your dna. Other lines, including Robbins. Sent from Samsung tablet ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1077 Sender:"richard.robbins13" Post Date/Time:2014-12-09 06:07:09 Subject:Re: Where's our Leader? Message: As i have said before, i match a Garrison on FTDNA... Stil unclear as to the match. Sent from Samsung tablet ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1078 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-09 14:03:12 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Donna, Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) Donna Crowder 919-669-7580 -----Original Message----- From: cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable t o share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline ---- "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discuss ion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1079 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-09 14:08:53 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Message: Dorman, As always good to hear from you. Even though you haven't discovered you are a Daniel Robins descendant you have been with this group from the beginning. Can we adopt you? :>) Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 8:05 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? I am continually researching into Robins/Robbins....I am not related, that I know of, so far. But I have worked on one relative for 40 years to see what his connections were, and who he was related to, and where his roots were and are. I would like to continue on as a member. There has been so much information gathered and put up. Very interesting and very linking to each other. Best to all this Season... Dorman Nelson Biographer www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com Grandson of Dinah Robbins/Garrison ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1080 Sender:Donna Crowder Post Date/Time:2014-12-09 18:44:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction > On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > Donna, > > Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. > > Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. > > > > Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) > > > > Donna Crowder > 919-669-7580 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > To: robbinsfamilysociety > Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable to share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline > > ---- "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discu ssion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1081 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-09 18:53:34 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Donna, Thanks so much for sharing your Robbins family link. Do you know if your brotherâs DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants DNA? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:45 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: Donna, Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) Donna Crowder 919-669-7580 -----Original Message----- From: cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > To: robbinsfamilysociety > Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable t o share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline ---- "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discuss ion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1082 Sender:Donna Crowder Post Date/Time:2014-12-09 19:01:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: He had it tested for the crowder line. I will see if we can determine anything about the Robbins. Wouldn't it be exciting if we can make a connection? Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction > On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > Donna, > > > > Thanks so much for sharing your Robbins family link. Do you know if your brotherâs DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants DNA? > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:45 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > > > Donna, > > Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. > > Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. > > > > Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) > > > > Donna Crowder > 919-669-7580 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > To: robbinsfamilysociety > Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable to share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline > > ---- "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discu ssion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1083 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-09 19:41:52 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Donna, Yes, that would be wonderful for you to find your Robbins ancestors. I will make a note of your Millard of South Carolina son of James Robbins family in case I happen to come across them on a paper trail. Since your b rother carries the Crowder surname he wouldnât be it a candidate for Robbins DNA testing. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:02 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. He had it tested for the crowder line. I will see if we can determine anything about the Robbins. Wouldn't it be exciting if we can make a connection? Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@...t [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: Donna, Thanks so much for sharing your Robbins family link. Do you know if your brotherâs DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants DNA? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:45 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: Donna, Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) Donna Crowder 919-669-7580 -----Original Message----- From: cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> To: robbinsfamilysociety < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable t o share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline ---- " richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discuss ion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1084 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 06:28:10 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Sara, I think she said Millard was GRAND son Of James Robbins CG ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Donna, > > Yes, that would be wonderful for you to find your Robbins ancestors. I will make a note of your Millard of South Carolina son of James Robbins family in case I happen to come across them on a paper trail. Since your brother carries the Crowder surname he wouldnât be it a candidate for Robbins DNA testing. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:02 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > He had it tested for the crowder line. I will see if we can determine anything about the Robbins. Wouldn't it be exciting if we can make a connection? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > > > Thanks so much for sharing your Robbins family link. Do you know if your brotherâs DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants DNA? > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:45 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. > > Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. > > > > Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) > > > > Donna Crowder > 919-669-7580 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > To: robbinsfamilysociety < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable to share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline > > ---- " richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discu ssion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1085 Sender:Donna Crowder Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 08:38:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Yes.grandson. Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction > On Dec 10, 2014, at 8:28 AM, "cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > Sara, I think she said Millard was GRAND son Of James Robbins > CG > > ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > Donna, > > > > Yes, that would be wonderful for you to find your Robbins ancestors. I will make a note of your Millard of South Carolina son of James Robbins family in case I happen to come across them on a paper trail. Since your brother carries the Crowder surname he wouldnât be it a candidate for Robbins DNA testing. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:02 PM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > > > > > > > He had it tested for the crowder line. I will see if we can determine anything about the Robbins. Wouldn't it be exciting if we can make a connection? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Donna Crowder > > > > Estimator > > > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Donna, > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for sharing your Robbins family link. Do you know if your brotherâs DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants DNA? > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:45 PM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Donna Crowder > > > > Estimator > > > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Donna, > > > > Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > > > > > > > Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. > > > > > > > > Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) > > > > > > > > Donna Crowder > > 919-669-7580 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > > To: robbinsfamilysociety < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am > > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > > > Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuab le to share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline > > > > ---- " richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the dis cussion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1086 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 08:48:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Where's our Leader? Message: Always happy to hear from you Dorman! On Tuesday, December 9, 2014, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Dorman, > > > > As always good to hear from you. Even though you havenât discovered you > are a Daniel Robins descendant you have been with this group from the > beginning. Can we adopt you? :>) > > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > ] > *Sent:* Monday, December 8, 2014 8:05 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > I am continually researching into Robins/Robbins....I am not related, that > I know of, so far. But I have worked on one relative for 40 years to > > see what his connections were, and who he was related to, and where his > roots were and are. > > I would like to continue on as a member. > > > > There has been so much information gathered and put up. Very interesting > and very linking to each other. > > > > Best to all this Season... > > > > Dorman Nelson > > Biographer > > www.johnlivereatingjohnston.com > > > > Grandson of Dinah Robbins/Garrison > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1087 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 09:01:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Message: Thank you for the extra facts Sara. I had wondered about Peggy's claim as well. What do we know about Frances Potter? Is it likely that she played a part in William's demise? I seem to recall something like that from your short essay about William. I'd also be interested in how common lawsuits files by daughters against their mothers were in that time period. âTod On Monday, December 8, 2014, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > This is a followup on the subject of Daniel Robinson/Robins ability to buy > land in NJ as posted by Peggy Robbins at the SPOW site. I think Peggy used > to be a member her but don't know if she is right now. Anyhow I will add to > the response I posted for Peggy at SPOW here. > > There is no record that Daniel Robinson/ Robins received any money or > compensation as an indentured servant. I suppose it is quite possible he > did but there has been no record discovered for it. I found no > documentation in any New Haven records that Daniel Robinson had any assets > before his marriage to Hope Potter. However, there is documentation Hope > had an inheritance as recorded in the New Haven Court Records. Hope took > her mother Frances Potter to court over the misuse of the inheritance left > by William Potter in his will to his children. The court ruled in Hope & > her sisters favor giving them their share of money & land. Hope appears to > have been the spouse with assets not Daniel. In his will Daniel mentions" > land & goods that fall to me in New Haven Connecticut Collony". This is the > New Haven land Daniel Sr. left to his son Daniel Robins, Jr & daughter > Lydia Robins Thorpe. Daniel Robins, Jr. sold it in 1718 to Nathaniel & > Samuel Potter, Hope's relatives. A copy of the original Robins/Potter New > Haven land transaction was published in the Robins Robbins of New Jersey > book pages 148,149. > > Sara > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1088 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 09:03:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Message: â...lawsuits *filed* by daughters...â On Wednesday, December 10, 2014, todd.d.robbins@... < todd.d.robbins@...> wrote: > Thank you for the extra facts Sara. I had wondered about Peggy's claim as > well. > > What do we know about Frances Potter? Is it likely that she played a part > in William's demise? I seem to recall something like that from your short > essay about William. > > I'd also be interested in how common lawsuits files by daughters against > their mothers were in that time period. > > âTod > > > On Monday, December 8, 2014, july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] < > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > wrote: > >> >> >> This is a followup on the subject of Daniel Robinson/Robins ability to >> buy land in NJ as posted by Peggy Robbins at the SPOW site. I think Peggy >> used to be a member her but don't know if she is right now. Anyhow I will >> add to the response I posted for Peggy at SPOW here. >> >> There is no record that Daniel Robinson/ Robins received any money or >> compensation as an indentured servant. I suppose it is quite possible he >> did but there has been no record discovered for it. I found no >> documentation in any New Haven records that Daniel Robinson had any assets >> before his marriage to Hope Potter. However, there is documentation Hope >> had an inheritance as recorded in the New Haven Court Records. Hope took >> her mother Frances Potter to court over the misuse of the inheritance left >> by William Potter in his will to his children. The court ruled in Hope & >> her sisters favor giving them their share of money & land. Hope appears to >> have been the spouse with assets not Daniel. In his will Daniel mentions" >> land & goods that fall to me in New Haven Connecticut Collony". This is the >> New Haven land Daniel Sr. left to his son Daniel Robins, Jr & daughter >> Lydia Robins Thorpe. Daniel Robins, Jr. sold it in 1718 to Nathaniel & >> Samuel Potter, Hope's relatives. A copy of the original Robins/Potter New >> Haven land transaction was published in the Robins Robbins of New Jersey >> book pages 148,149. >> >> Sara >> >> >> > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1089 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 09:10:44 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Donna, Any birth, death & dates for Millard, & James would be helpful. Did James live & die in SC? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Yes.grandson. Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction On Dec 10, 2014, at 8:28 AM, "cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: Sara, I think she said Millard was GRAND son Of James Robbins CG ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > Donna, > > Yes, that would be wonderful for you to find your Robbins ancestors. I will make a note of your Millard of South Carolina son of James Robbins family in case I happen to come across them on a paper trail. Since your b rother carries the Crowder surname he wouldnât be it a candidate for Robbins DNA testing. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:02 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > He had it tested for the crowder line. I will see if we can determine anything about the Robbins. Wouldn't it be exciting if we can make a connection? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > > > Thanks so much for sharing your Robbins family link. Do you know if your brotherâs DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants DNA? > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoo groups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:45 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. > > Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoo groups.com] > Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. > > > > Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) > > > > Donna Crowder > 919-669-7580 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > To: robbinsfamilysociety < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable to share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline > > ---- " richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discu ssion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1090 Sender:Donnaudc Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 09:37:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Not sure how reliable this is.. but this is what I was going off of. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tamara/james_robbins.html I know that Millard's father died in Missouri around 1864 and was born in 1830. Jim Gum has said that James H Robbins was the son of John Robbins and Martha Hannah Robbins in Overton TN, but I think that is incorrect. Because of the attached research and the mention of Millard as grandson in the wi ll. It shows that a James Robbins was born in SC in 1830 to James Robbins and Wife Mary. This would make sense that then Millard would be listed as Grandson in the Will of James Robbins (1786) and that because of the time of death (1872) he would not have listed James (his son) because he was already deceas ed. My G Grandfather Millard Robbins Was Born in Overton TN Dec 16, 1858, Died (Death notice below) Death Notices & Obituaries - as reported in the - Mountain View Standard - Mountain View, Missouri: "W.M. Robbins Drops Dead" Sunday, July 19, 1925, W.M. Robbins of this city, who had accompanied Pete Stevenson, Leo Ball and C.H. Price, also of this city, to a farm about four miles west of Cabool, Mo., to pass judgmen t on some stock, suddenly grabbed at his chest and fell forward. Those with him went to his assistance and he is said to have been conscious for a few minutes, and then quietly passed away. The remains were taken to Cabool and embalmed, after word had been sent here by telephone, of his death. His son Fred and family and daughter, Mrs. John Duncan and family, were visiting his other daughter, Mrs. James Crowder of Mammoth Springs, Ark., while another son, Harry, was in St. Louis. Those from Mammoth Springs drove here and then to Cabool as soon as possible, but Undertaker Duncan had to telephone down for his hearse and the remains reached here about 5 o?clock Monday morning. Mr. Robbins, or "Millard" as he was familiarly known, was a man of wide acquaintance and good financial judgment. He came here when a small boy, grew to manhood's estate and has accumulated considerable of this world's goods, being one of the leading auctioneers of this country for years, and being a successful farmer. For several years he has been president of the Bank of Mountain View, having been a director and stockholder there fo r many years. About a year ago he went to Springfield and got a diagnosis from Dr. Smith, who told him his heart valves were leaking and that he might live for years and again that he might die at any time. Several months ago he spent two weeks in Hot Springs, Ark. Returning much improved, apparently. However, the past four weeks he seemed to be failing, and his sudden death did not really surprise those who knew him." What do you think Sara? Would love to see the Will and the other research that Tamara has done with the Robbins side. It looks like James Sr. is from Rutherford County NC, which could link him to Daniel. Donna Crowder 919-669-7580 -----Original Message----- From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:10 am Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Donna, Any birth, death & dates for Millard, & James would be helpful. Did James live & die in SC? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Yes.grandson. Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction On Dec 10, 2014, at 8:28 AM, "cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Sara, I think she said Millard was GRAND son Of James Robbins CG ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Donna, > > Yes, that would be wonderful for you to find your Robbins ancestors. I will make a note of your Millard of South Carolina son of James Robbins family in case I happen to come across them on a paper trail. Since your b rother carries the Crowder surname he wouldnât be it a candidate for Robbins DNA testing. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:02 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > He had it tested for the crowder line. I will see if we can determine anything about the Robbins. Wouldn't it be exciting if we can make a connection? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > > > Thanks so much for sharing your Robbins family link. Do you know if your brotherâs DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants DNA? > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:45 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. > > Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. > > > > Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) > > > > Donna Crowder > 919-669-7580 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cgilleece@cfl.rr.com [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > To: robbinsfamilysociety < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable to share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline > > ---- " richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discu ssion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1091 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 09:58:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Message: Tod, Peggy belonged to the previous Robbins group. She contacted me & I will sent you her e-mail address. I'd appreciate it if you would send her an invitation to the group. Without too lengthy of a response to your question. Peggy was responding to the article at SPOW regarding Treatment of SPOW's in NE. www.morrell.ws: http://www.morrell.ws: is the link to the article. Peggy assumed after reading the article that Daniel Robinson/Robins was able to buy land in NJ from compensation he received as an indentured servant. What I wanted to point out was from NE research previously done fo r Daniel there is no record that he received any money that would allow him to buy the NJ land. No record was found that Daniel had any assets before or after he married Hope. It appears Daniel's funds came from Hope wh o received an inheritance from her father's estate. Although my article William Potter Guilty or Not Guilty, primarily addresses William Potter's crime it shows that Hope received an inheritance & includes all that is known about Frances Potter. I'll post it here in th e files should anyone want to read it. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1092 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 10:05:30 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Message: Tod, Interesting question. I have no data on how common lawsuits were filed by daughters against their mothers in NE in the 1660âs. My guess is very few. There were probably more for crimes like William Potterâs than daughte r-mother lawsuits. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ â...lawsuits filed by daughters...â On Wednesday, December 10, 2014, todd.d.robbins@... > wrote: Thank you for the extra facts Sara. I had wondered about Peggy's claim as well. What do we know about Frances Potter? Is it likely that she played a part in William's demise? I seem to recall something like that from your short essay about William. I'd also be interested in how common lawsuits files by daughters against their mothers were in that time period. âTod On Monday, December 8, 2014, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: This is a followup on the subject of Daniel Robinson/Robins ability to buy land in NJ as posted by Peggy Robbins at the SPOW site. I think Peggy used to be a member her but don't know if she is right now. Anyhow I will add to the response I posted for Peggy at SPOW here. There is no record that Daniel Robinson/ Robins received any money or compensation as an indentured servant. I suppose it is quite possible he did but there has been no record discovered for it. I found no documentatio n in any New Haven records that Daniel Robinson had any assets before his marriage to Hope Potter. However, there is documentation Hope had an inheritance as recorded in the New Haven Court Records. Hope took her mother Frances Potter to court over the misuse of the inheritance left by William Potter in his will to his children. The court ruled in Hope & her sisters favor giving them their share of money & land. Hope appears to have b een the spouse with assets not Daniel. In his will Daniel mentions" land & goods that fall to me in New Haven Connecticut Collony". This is the New Haven land Daniel Sr. left to his son Daniel Robins, Jr & daughter Lydi a Robins Thorpe. Daniel Robins, Jr. sold it in 1718 to Nathaniel & Samuel Potter, Hope's relatives. A copy of the original Robins/Potter New Haven land transaction was published in the Robins Robbins of New Jersey boo k pages 148,149. Sara -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1093 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 10:10:29 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Message: When I said Daniel had no assets after his marriage to Hope, I meant there is no record the funds used to buy the NJ land belonged to Daniel. From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Tod, Peggy belonged to the previous Robbins group. She contacted me & I will sent you her e-mail address. I'd appreciate it if you would send her an invitation to the group. Without too lengthy of a response to your question. Peggy was responding to the article at SPOW regarding Treatment of SPOW's in NE. www.morrell.ws: is the link to the article. Peggy assumed after reading the article that Daniel Robinson/Robins was able to buy land in NJ from compensation he received as an indentured servant. What I wanted to point out was from NE research previously done for Daniel there is no record that he received any money that would allow him to buy the NJ land. No record was found that Daniel had any assets before or after he married Hope. It appears Daniel's funds came from Hope who received an inheritance from her father's estate. Although my article William Potter Guilty or Not Guilty, primarily addresses William Potter's crime it shows that Hope received an inheritance & includes all that is known about Frances Potter. I'll post it here in the files should anyone want to read it. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1094 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 10:15:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Message: After reviewing your essay (which I've hosted on my website ), I have more questions about Hope's inheritance. It seems Frances was motivated by something other than her husband's indiscretions (actual or not). Anyhow, this of course would play into her avoidance of disbursement. If only we could assess the state of her relationship with Hope/Daniel post-lawsuit. Very interesting issues! âTod On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Tod, > > Interesting question. I have no data on how common lawsuits were filed by > daughters against their mothers in NE in the 1660âs. My guess is very few. > There were probably more for crimes like William Potterâs than > daughter-mother lawsuits. > > > Sara > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1095 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 11:16:40 Subject:The Most Memorable Christmases 2014 Message: Hello all, Last year we threw together a little website for Robbins' Christmas memories. We probably should change it to "holidays" to respect the various beliefs and traditions of our members, but here's last year's site: http://todrobbins.com/robbins/christmas/ I'm still working on buying a good domain name from our family association (which we should incorporate some day), but for now the site will live on my personal web domain. Anyhow, details aside: will you please submit stories, with photos if you have them, of holiday memories among your Robbins families? I think it would be a great project to continue for years to come. Cheers! -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1096 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 11:20:13 Subject:Re: The Most Memorable Christmases 2014 Message: Oh, and please send your submissions to robbinsfamilysociety@... Thanks! On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:16 AM, todd.d.robbins@... < todd.d.robbins@...> wrote: > Hello all, > > Last year we threw together a little website for Robbins' Christmas > memories. We probably should change it to "holidays" to respect the various > beliefs and traditions of our members, but here's last year's site: > > http://todrobbins.com/robbins/christmas/ > > I'm still working on buying a good domain name from our family association > (which we should incorporate some day), but for now the site will live on > my personal web domain. > > Anyhow, details aside: will you please submit stories, with photos if you > have them, of holiday memories among your Robbins families? > > I think it would be a great project to continue for years to come. > > > Cheers! > > > -- > Tod Robbins > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1097 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 11:35:57 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Message: Tod, If we had lived in the William Potter household possibly we may have a clearer picture of the dynamics of their relationships. Since we are looking at these events 350 years later, itâs difficult to put it all into the proper prospective. Why Frances was motivated to do what she did by attempting to give her oldest son Joseph his fatherâs estate is a question we would have to ask Frances. The story found in the New Haven Court recor ds about William Potter & his crime is an unsavory account & we get a glimpse of a very dysfunctional family. The fact that Daniel & Hope didnât give the name William or Frances to any of their children may be a clue re garding the state of their relationship or Hopeâs to her parents. I have always wondered if Hope would have married Daniel Robinson if her father hadnât been convicted of a crime. William Potter wasnât a poor man & had some standing in his community. Would he have approved of Hope mar rying Daniel? There are many unanswered questions regarding Daniel & Hope. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:15 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ After reviewing your essay (which I've hosted on my website ), I have more questions about Hope's inheritance. It seems Frances was motivated by something other than her husband's indiscretions (actual or not). Anyhow, this of course would play into her avoidance of disbursement. If only we could assess the state of her relationship with Hope/Daniel post-lawsuit. Very interest ing issues! âTod On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:05 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Tod, Interesting question. I have no data on how common lawsuits were filed by daughters against their mothers in NE in the 1660âs. My guess is very few. There were probably more for crimes like William Potterâs than daughte r-mother lawsuits. Sara -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1098 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 11:48:05 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: The Most Memorable Christmases 2014 Message: Tod, Good Idea to share Christmas memories again. Itâs Christmas!!!! Letâs not be PC & change Christmas to Holidays. If any of the Robbins members follow another faith that doesnât celebrate Christmas the birth of Jesus Chr ist thatâs their choice. Love them & love to hear their HOLIDAY story but itâs still Christmas. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:20 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: The Most Memorable Christmases 2014 Oh, and please send your submissions to robbinsfamilysociety@... Thanks! On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:16 AM, todd.d.robbins@... > wrote: Hello all, Last year we threw together a little website for Robbins' Christmas memories. We probably should change it to "holidays" to respect the various beliefs and traditions of our members, but here's last year's site: http://todrobbins.com/robbins/christmas/ I'm still working on buying a good domain name from our family association (which we should incorporate some day), but for now the site will live on my personal web domain. Anyhow, details aside: will you please submit stories, with photos if you have them, of holiday memories among your Robbins families? I think it would be a great project to continue for years to come. Cheers! -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1099 Sender:"Peggy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 12:11:49 Subject:Re: How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Message: Tod, To be clear, I did not make any claim. I saw this: "The Rev. John Cotton wrote a letter reporting on the condition of the prisoners "to the Lord General Cromwell, dated at Boston in N. E, 28th of 5th, 1651:" "The Scots, who God delivered into your hands at Dun-barre, and whereof sundry were sent hither we have been desirous [as we could] to make their yoke easy. "Such as were sick of the scurvy or other diseases have not wanted physick and chyrurgery. They have not been sold for slaves to perpetual servitude, but for 6 or 7 or 8 years, as we do our owne; and he that bought the most of them buildeth houses for them, for every four an house, layeth some acres of ground thereto, which he giveth them as their owne, requiring 3 dayes in the week to worke for him [by turnes] and 4 dayes for themselves, and promiseth, as soone as they can repay him the money he layed out for them, he will set them at liberty." I just made the comment that this answered my question as to how Daniel may have been able to afford to buy land. If he could work four days for himself, and be given land in their own name..etc. I try not to think out loud, but sometimes I forget myself. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1100 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 12:47:29 Subject:AncestryDNA Message:     I recently tested for my mother, brother and myself through AncestryDNA.com.  I have really enjoyed reviewing countless matches and the many mutual ancestor matches. So far however, I am perplexed that of all t he many matches from various family lines, that there is not a single Robbins match (though some stem from Rob(b)ins spouses 6-7 generations back). There are tons of  Robbins matches to my brother's FTDNA Y-DNA sample; I know that my brother can't be the only Robbins to test with AncestryDNA. I would like some perspective from members in this group who have tested with AncestryDNA.com. The autosomal test does include Y-DNA, doesn't i t??  So far, as an amateur, I am finding the AncestryDNA matches a bit more user friendly to review than the FTDNA family finder.  Generally speaking, the most interesting so far; at least one match shares five mut ual ancestors, and not in a cluster, but spread out, including all four grandparents. My parents grew up about two hundred miles from each other and met in college. The shared connections were between two hundred fifty and three hundred years ago, which brings to mind  the collapsing pedigree theory that I have read about. Very cool, indeed.   So, can anyone shed some light on my mysterious missing matches? Happy Holidays to all,Mary Robbins P.S. Tod, thanks for the Christmas memory site. "Christmas" definitely good for me! MER ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1101 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 13:48:36 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Donna, Thanks for providing the link. This looks like the work of Tamara Stevens maybe now James. Tamara Stevens was involved in the early days of Robbins research & worked at one time with John German on the southern Robins b ranches & a Robbins DNA website. (not the FTDNA site) She was also a member of the former Robbins group. Iâve always found work Tamaraâs to be very reliable. I will look over what you have given us here & see if there is anything I can add that may be of help. John German was the primary researcher on the Robbins of Overton, TN. Johnâs wife was a Robbins descendant & he was able to connect his wifeâs line to Daniel Robins through DNA testing of his wifeâs father. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Not sure how reliable this is.. but this is what I was going off of. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tamara/james_robbins.html I know that Millard's father died in Missouri around 1864 and was born in 1830. Jim Gum has said that James H Robbins was the son of John Robbins and Martha Hannah Robbins in Overton TN, but I think that is incorrect. Because of the attached research and the mention of Millard as grandson in the wi ll. It shows that a James Robbins was born in SC in 1830 to James Robbins and Wife Mary. This would make sense that then Millard would be listed as Grandson in the Will of James Robbins (1786) and that because of the time of death (1872) he would not have listed James (his son) because he was already deceas ed. My G Grandfather Millard Robbins Was Born in Overton TN Dec 16, 1858, Died (Death notice below) Death Notices & Obituaries - as reported in the - Mountain View Standard - Mountain View, Missouri: "W.M. Robbins Drops Dead" Sunday, July 19, 1925, W.M. Robbins of this city, who had accompanied Pete Stevenson, Leo Ball and C.H. Price, also of this city, to a farm about four miles west of Cabool, Mo., to pass judgmen t on some stock, suddenly grabbed at his chest and fell forward. Those with him went to his assistance and he is said to have been conscious for a few minutes, and then quietly passed away. The remains were taken to Cabool and embalmed, after word had been sent here by telephone, of his death. His son Fred and family and daughter, Mrs. John Duncan and family, were visiting his other daughter, Mrs. James Crowder of Mammoth Springs, Ark., while another son, Harry, was in St. Louis. Those from Mammoth Springs drove here and then to Cabool as soon as possible, but Undertaker Duncan had to telephone down for his hearse and the remains reached here about 5 o?clock Monday morning. Mr. Robbins, or "Millard" as he was familiarly known, was a man of wide acquaintance and good financial judgment. He came here when a small boy, grew to manhood's estate and has accumulated considerable of this world's goods, being one of the leading auctioneers of this country for years, and being a successful farmer. For several years he has been president of the Bank of Mountain View, having been a director and stockholder there fo r many years. About a year ago he went to Springfield and got a diagnosis from Dr. Smith, who told him his heart valves were leaking and that he might live for years and again that he might die at any time. Several months ago he spent two weeks in Hot Springs, Ark. Returning much improved, apparently. However, the past four weeks he seemed to be failing, and his sudden death did not really surprise those who knew him." What do you think Sara? Would love to see the Will and the other research that Tamara has done with the Robbins side. It looks like James Sr. is from Rutherford County NC, which could link him to Daniel. Donna Crowder 919-669-7580 -----Original Message----- From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:10 am Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Donna, Any birth, death & dates for Millard, & James would be helpful. Did James live & die in SC? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Yes.grandson. Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction On Dec 10, 2014, at 8:28 AM, " cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Sara, I think she said Millard was GRAND son Of James Robbins CG ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Donna, > > Yes, that would be wonderful for you to find your Robbins ancestors. I will make a note of your Millard of South Carolina son of James Robbins family in case I happen to come across them on a paper trail. Since your b rother carries the Crowder surname he wouldnât be it a candidate for Robbins DNA testing. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:02 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > He had it tested for the crowder line. I will see if we can determine anything about the Robbins. Wouldn't it be exciting if we can make a connection? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... < mailto:july37@...> [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogr oups.com < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > > > Thanks so much for sharing your Robbins family link. Do you know if your brotherâs DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants DNA? > > Sara > > > > From: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:45 PM > To: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net < mailto:july37@...> [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yah oogroups.com < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. > > Sara > > > > > > From: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM > To: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. > > > > Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) > > > > Donna Crowder > 919-669-7580 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: < mailto:cgilleece@...> cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > To: robbinsfamilysociety < < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable to share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline > > ---- " < mailto:richard.robbins13@yahoo.com> richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < < mailto:robbin sfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discu ssion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1102 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 18:39:43 Subject:Re: AncestryDNA Message: Mary, i would love to try and match your kits autosomally, but i am not going to be testing with Ancestry anytime soon. I would like to suggest an alternative or two. Option one is transferring your autosomal to FTDNA for free, if you can get 5 others to transfer. I think. I did that with my wifes kit, and I paid 49 dollars for the FF transfer. I would look into it. There are a few R obbins there. Alternatively, uploading your DNA to gedmatch.com is free, and achieves the same goals of matching other kits. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1103 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 19:15:40 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Donna, Hereâs a little information that Iâm adding to what you have & hope it will be helpful William Robbins b. abt. 1745, died 1816 in Rutherford Co., NC. I used the abt. 1745 birthdate that came from John German instead of the abt. 1755 used by others. The Will of William Robbins written in 1815 & proved in 1 816 names a son James Robbins b. abt 1786 in Rutherford Co., NC & died December 24, 1872 in Spartanburg Co., SC. The Robbins FTDNA site has the test results for William Robbins 1745â1816 line through his sons Philip & J ames. Their DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants. I believe the problem John German & others encountered was they were unable to locate Williamâs parents even though DNA confirms their Daniel Robins relationship. J ohn told me he had located a James Robbins who migrated from Spartanburg, SC to Overton, TN about 1817. He was doing a study on Levi Robbins of Overton who was his wifeâs ancestor. I see your Millard was born in Overto n, TN. It appears to me there is a good possibility you relate to these Overton, TN Robbins maybe through Millard son of James son of James son of William of Riutherford. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:49 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Donna, Thanks for providing the link. This looks like the work of Tamara Stevens maybe now James. Tamara Stevens was involved in the early days of Robbins research & worked at one time with John German on the southern Robins b ranches & a Robbins DNA website. (not the FTDNA site) She was also a member of the former Robbins group. Iâve always found work Tamaraâs to be very reliable. I will look over what you have given us here & see if there is anything I can add that may be of help. John German was the primary researcher on the Robbins of Overton, TN. Johnâs wife was a Robbins descendant & he was able to connect his wifeâs line to Daniel Robins through DNA testing of his wifeâs father. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Not sure how reliable this is.. but this is what I was going off of. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tamara/james_robbins.html I know that Millard's father died in Missouri around 1864 and was born in 1830. Jim Gum has said that James H Robbins was the son of John Robbins and Martha Hannah Robbins in Overton TN, but I think that is incorrect. Because of the attached research and the mention of Millard as grandson in the wi ll. It shows that a James Robbins was born in SC in 1830 to James Robbins and Wife Mary. This would make sense that then Millard would be listed as Grandson in the Will of James Robbins (1786) and that because of the time of death (1872) he would not have listed James (his son) because he was already deceas ed. My G Grandfather Millard Robbins Was Born in Overton TN Dec 16, 1858, Died (Death notice below) Death Notices & Obituaries - as reported in the - Mountain View Standard - Mountain View, Missouri: "W.M. Robbins Drops Dead" Sunday, July 19, 1925, W.M. Robbins of this city, who had accompanied Pete Stevenson, Leo Ball and C.H. Price, also of this city, to a farm about four miles west of Cabool, Mo., to pass judgmen t on some stock, suddenly grabbed at his chest and fell forward. Those with him went to his assistance and he is said to have been conscious for a few minutes, and then quietly passed away. The remains were taken to Cabool and embalmed, after word had been sent here by telephone, of his death. His son Fred and family and daughter, Mrs. John Duncan and family, were visiting his other daughter, Mrs. James Crowder of Mammoth Springs, Ark., while another son, Harry, was in St. Louis. Those from Mammoth Springs drove here and then to Cabool as soon as possible, but Undertaker Duncan had to telephone down for his hearse and the remains reached here about 5 o?clock Monday morning. Mr. Robbins, or "Millard" as he was familiarly known, was a man of wide acquaintance and good financial judgment. He came here when a small boy, grew to manhood's estate and has accumulated considerable of this world's goods, being one of the leading auctioneers of this country for years, and being a successful farmer. For several years he has been president of the Bank of Mountain View, having been a director and stockholder there fo r many years. About a year ago he went to Springfield and got a diagnosis from Dr. Smith, who told him his heart valves were leaking and that he might live for years and again that he might die at any time. Several months ago he spent two weeks in Hot Springs, Ark. Returning much improved, apparently. However, the past four weeks he seemed to be failing, and his sudden death did not really surprise those who knew him." What do you think Sara? Would love to see the Will and the other research that Tamara has done with the Robbins side. It looks like James Sr. is from Rutherford County NC, which could link him to Daniel. Donna Crowder 919-669-7580 -----Original Message----- From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:10 am Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Donna, Any birth, death & dates for Millard, & James would be helpful. Did James live & die in SC? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Yes.grandson. Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction On Dec 10, 2014, at 8:28 AM, " cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Sara, I think she said Millard was GRAND son Of James Robbins CG ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Donna, > > Yes, that would be wonderful for you to find your Robbins ancestors. I will make a note of your Millard of South Carolina son of James Robbins family in case I happen to come across them on a paper trail. Since your b rother carries the Crowder surname he wouldnât be it a candidate for Robbins DNA testing. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:02 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > He had it tested for the crowder line. I will see if we can determine anything about the Robbins. Wouldn't it be exciting if we can make a connection? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... < mailto:july37@...> [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yah oogroups.com < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > > > Thanks so much for sharing your Robbins family link. Do you know if your brotherâs DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants DNA? > > Sara > > > > From: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:45 PM > To: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net < mailto:july37@...> [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yah oogroups.com < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. > > Sara > > > > > > From: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@...m> mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM > To: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. > > > > Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) > > > > Donna Crowder > 919-669-7580 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: < mailto:cgilleece@...> cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > To: robbinsfamilysociety < < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable to share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline > > ---- " < mailto:richard.robbins13@yahoo.com> richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < < mailto:robbin sfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discu ssion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1104 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 19:15:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Message: Peggy, I do the same thing! No harm; no foul. Danielâs time seems so long ago and yet so familiar in many ways. The family issues persist today, though in different clothing. âTod On Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 'Peggy Robbins' pegrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Tod, > > To be clear, I did not make any claim. I saw this: > > *"The Rev. John Cotton wrote a letter reporting on the condition of the > prisoners "to the Lord General Cromwell, dated at Boston in N. E, 28th of > 5th, 1651:"* > > > > *"The Scots, who God delivered into your hands at DunÂbarre, and whereof > sundry were sent hither we have been desirous [as we could] to make their > yoke easy.* > > > > *"Such as were sick of the scurvy or other diseases have not wanted > physick and chyrurgery. They have not been sold for slaves to perpetual > servitude, but for 6 or 7 or 8 years, as we do our owne; and he that bought > the most of them buildeth houses for them, for every four an house, layeth > some acres of ground thereto, which he giveth them as their owne, requiring > 3 dayes in the week to worke for him [by turnes] and 4 dayes for > themselves, and promiseth, as soone as they can repay him the money he > layed out for them, he will set them at liberty."* > > > > > > I just made the comment that this answered my question as to how Daniel > may have been able to afford to buy land. If he could work four days for > himself, and be given land in their own nameâ¦.etc. I try not to think out > loud, but sometimes I forget myself. > > > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1105 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-10 19:22:41 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Message: Peggy, I consider you to be one of our loyal members & Iâm so pleased to see your post here again. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] How Daniel Robins bought land in NJ Peggy, I do the same thing! No harm; no foul. Danielâs time seems so long ago and yet so familiar in many ways. The family issues persist today, though in different clothing. âTod On Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 'Peggy Robbins' pegrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Tod, To be clear, I did not make any claim. I saw this: "The Rev. John Cotton wrote a letter reporting on the condition of the prisoners "to the Lord General Cromwell, dated at Boston in N. E, 28th of 5th, 1651:" "The Scots, who God delivered into your hands at DunÂbarre, and whereof sundry were sent hither we have been desirous [as we could] to make their yoke easy. "Such as were sick of the scurvy or other diseases have not wanted physick and chyrurgery. They have not been sold for slaves to perpetual servitude, but for 6 or 7 or 8 years, as we do our owne; and he that bought the most of them buildeth houses for them, for every four an house, layeth some acres of ground thereto, which he giveth them as their owne, requiring 3 dayes in the week to worke for him [by turnes] and 4 dayes for themse lves, and promiseth, as soone as they can repay him the money he layed out for them, he will set them at liberty." I just made the comment that this answered my question as to how Daniel may have been able to afford to buy land. If he could work four days for himself, and be given land in their own nameâ¦.etc. I try not to think out loud, but sometimes I forget myself. -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1106 Sender: Post Date/Time:2014-12-12 05:41:42 Subject:William Potter Guilty or Not Guilty Message: Sara, this was posted at Scottish prisioners site by you... "Article William Potter Guilty or Not Guilty that addresses Hope Potter Robinsâ dysfunctional family & New Haven court records. Please contact me at july37@... if you have any further interest since this doesnât relate directly to the SPOW topics here." Yes, I would be interested to read the article, Is it posted anywhere?? Perhaps others would like to read it as well. Thanks, Caroline Sara Robbins Hoffman ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1107 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2014-12-12 11:05:03 Subject:Re: William Potter Guilty or Not Guilty Message: Caroline, Tod provided a link to my William Potter article in message #1094 on Wed Dec, 10, 2014. You can go to this message & click on the link, It can be found on various trees at ancestry too. If you have any further interest in the subject of our ancestor William also Potter, I suggest you read Barbara W. Pitcher's work published in 1988 titled William Potter His Life,Trial and Execution--Father, Farmer, Churchman, Sinner. It may be online. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1108 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-12 11:10:49 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: William Potter Guilty or Not Guilty Message: In my response to Caroline, I made a typo. The word âalsoâ doesnât belong between William & his last name Potter. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:05 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: William Potter Guilty or Not Guilty Caroline, Tod provided a link to my William Potter article in message #1094 on Wed Dec, 10, 2014. You can go to this message & click on the link, It can be found on various trees at ancestry too. If you have any further interest in the subject of our ancestor William also Potter, I suggest you read Barbara W. Pitcher's work published in 1988 titled William Potter His Life,Trial and Execution--Father, Farmer, Churchman, Sinner. It may be online. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1109 Sender:Donna Crowder Post Date/Time:2014-12-13 06:27:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Sara, I totally agree. One of my distant cousins who descend from that line did some research that he posted in ancestry.com who claimed differently. His name is jim gum. I have been in contact with him and will try to discer n where he got his information. The good news is there are several Robbins male descendants from my grandmothers brothers who may not have had their DNA tested. I am almost certain that our James Robbins, b 1830 must have been the son of James Robbins of South Carolina and that he is the father of Millard born in Overton mo. I think it highly unlikely that there would be two J ames Robbins born the same year, both with sons named Millard! Thank heavens Millard is such an unusual name within the Robbins FAmily!! Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction > On Dec 10, 2014, at 9:15 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > Donna, > > Hereâs a little information that Iâm adding to what you have & hope it will be helpful > > William Robbins b. abt. 1745, died 1816 in Rutherford Co., NC. I used the abt. 1745 birthdate that came from John German instead of the abt. 1755 used by others. The Will of William Robbins written in 1815 & proved in 1816 names a son James Robbins b. abt 1786 in Rutherford Co., NC & died December 24, 1872 in Spartanburg Co., SC. The Robbins FTDNA site has the test results for William Robbins 1745â1816 line through his sons Philip & James. Their DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants. I believe the problem John German & others encountered was they were unable to locate Williamâs parents even though DNA confirms their Daniel Robins relationship. John told me he had located a James Robbins who migrated from Spartanburg, SC to Overton, TN about 1817. He was doing a study on Levi Robbins of Overton who was his wifeâs ancestor. I see your Millard was born in Over ton, TN. It appears to me there is a good possibility you relate to these Overton, TN Robbins maybe through Millard son of James son of James son of William of Riutherford. Any thoughts? > > Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:49 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > Donna, > > > > Thanks for providing the link. This looks like the work of Tamara Stevens maybe now James. Tamara Stevens was involved in the early days of Robbins research & worked at one time with John German on the southern Robins branches & a Robbins DNA website. (not the FTDNA site) She was also a member of the former Robbins group. Iâve always found work Tamaraâs to be very reliable. I will look over what you have given us here & see if ther e is anything I can add that may be of help. John German was the primary researcher on the Robbins of Overton, TN. Johnâs wife was a Robbins descendant & he was able to connect his wifeâs line to Daniel Robins through D NA testing of his wifeâs father. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:38 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > Not sure how reliable this is.. but this is what I was going off of. > > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tamara/james_robbins.html > > > > > > I know that Millard's father died in Missouri around 1864 and was born in 1830. > > > > Jim Gum has said that James H Robbins was the son of John Robbins and Martha Hannah Robbins in Overton TN, but I think that is incorrect. Because of the attached research and the mention of Millard as grandson in the will. > > > > It shows that a James Robbins was born in SC in 1830 to James Robbins and Wife Mary. > > > > This would make sense that then Millard would be listed as Grandson in the Will of James Robbins (1786) and that because of the time of death (1872) he would not have listed James (his son) because he was already dece ased. > > > > > > > > My G Grandfather Millard Robbins Was Born in Overton TN Dec 16, 1858, Died (Death notice below) > > > > Death Notices & Obituaries - as reported in the - Mountain View Standard - Mountain View, Missouri: > > "W.M. Robbins Drops Dead" Sunday, July 19, 1925, W.M. Robbins of this city, who had accompanied Pete Stevenson, Leo Ball and C.H. Price, also of this city, to a farm about four miles west of Cabool, Mo., to pass judgm ent on some stock, suddenly grabbed at his chest and fell forward. Those with him went to his assistance and he is said to have been conscious for a few minutes, and then quietly passed away. > > The remains were taken to Cabool and embalmed, after word had been sent here by telephone, of his death. > > His son Fred and family and daughter, Mrs. John Duncan and family, were visiting his other daughter, Mrs. James Crowder of Mammoth Springs, Ark., while another son, Harry, was in St. Louis. > > Those from Mammoth Springs drove here and then to Cabool as soon as possible, but Undertaker Duncan had to telephone down for his hearse and the remains reached here about 5 o?clock Monday morning. > > Mr. Robbins, or "Millard" as he was familiarly known, was a man of wide acquaintance and good financial judgment. He came here when a small boy, grew to manhood's estate and has accumulated considerable of this world' s goods, being one of the leading auctioneers of this country for years, and being a successful farmer. For several years he has been president of the Bank of Mountain View, having been a director and stockholder there for many years. > > About a year ago he went to Springfield and got a diagnosis from Dr. Smith, who told him his heart valves were leaking and that he might live for years and again that he might die at any time. > > Several months ago he spent two weeks in Hot Springs, Ark. Returning much improved, apparently. However, the past four weeks he seemed to be failing, and his sudden death did not really surprise those who knew him." > > What do you think Sara? Would love to see the Will and the other research that Tamara has done with the Robbins side. It looks like James Sr. is from Rutherford County NC, which could link him to Daniel. > > > > > > > > > > Donna Crowder > 919-669-7580 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > To: robbinsfamilysociety > Sent: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:10 am > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > Donna, > > Any birth, death & dates for Millard, & James would be helpful. Did James live & die in SC? > > Thanks, > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:38 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > Yes.grandson. > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 10, 2014, at 8:28 AM, "cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > > > Sara, I think she said Millard was GRAND son Of James Robbins > CG > > ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > Donna, > > > > Yes, that would be wonderful for you to find your Robbins ancestors. I will make a note of your Millard of South Carolina son of James Robbins family in case I happen to come across them on a paper trail. Since your brother carries the Crowder surname he wouldnât be it a candidate for Robbins DNA testing. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:02 PM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > > > > > > > He had it tested for the crowder line. I will see if we can determine anything about the Robbins. Wouldn't it be exciting if we can make a connection? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Donna Crowder > > > > Estimator > > > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Donna, > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for sharing your Robbins family link. Do you know if your brotherâs DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants DNA? > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:45 PM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Donna Crowder > > > > Estimator > > > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Donna, > > > > Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > > > > > > > Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. > > > > > > > > Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) > > > > > > > > Donna Crowder > > 919-669-7580 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cgilleece@....com [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > > To: robbinsfamilysociety < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am > > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > > > Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuab le to share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline > > > > ---- " richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the dis cussion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1110 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2014-12-13 11:11:34 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Message: Donna, Lucky you to have a Millard, names like his are more easily tracked than John, James, William etc. If any of your male Robbins cousins will take the DNA test that would be really helpful. Thanks for your participation & willingness to share your Robbins quest with us. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 6:27 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Sara, I totally agree. One of my distant cousins who descend from that line did some research that he posted in ancestry.com who claimed differently. His name is jim gum. I have been in contact with him and will try to discern where he got his information. The good news is there are several Robbins male descendants from my grandmothers brothers who may not have had their DNA tested. I am almost certain that our James Robbins, b 1830 must have been the son of James Robbins of South Carolina and that he is the father of Millard born in Overton mo. I think it highly unlikely that there would be two J ames Robbins born the same year, both with sons named Millard! Thank heavens Millard is such an unusual name within the Robbins FAmily!! Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction On Dec 10, 2014, at 9:15 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: Donna, Hereâs a little information that Iâm adding to what you have & hope it will be helpful William Robbins b. abt. 1745, died 1816 in Rutherford Co., NC. I used the abt. 1745 birthdate that came from John German instead of the abt. 1755 used by others. The Will of William Robbins written in 1815 & proved in 1 816 names a son James Robbins b. abt 1786 in Rutherford Co., NC & died December 24, 1872 in Spartanburg Co., SC. The Robbins FTDNA site has the test results for William Robbins 1745â1816 line through his sons Philip & J ames. Their DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants. I believe the problem John German & others encountered was they were unable to locate Williamâs parents even though DNA confirms their Daniel Robins relationship. J ohn told me he had located a James Robbins who migrated from Spartanburg, SC to Overton, TN about 1817. He was doing a study on Levi Robbins of Overton who was his wifeâs ancestor. I see your Millard was born in Overto n, TN. It appears to me there is a good possibility you relate to these Overton, TN Robbins maybe through Millard son of James son of James son of William of Riutherford. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:49 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Donna, Thanks for providing the link. This looks like the work of Tamara Stevens maybe now James. Tamara Stevens was involved in the early days of Robbins research & worked at one time with John German on the southern Robins b ranches & a Robbins DNA website. (not the FTDNA site) She was also a member of the former Robbins group. Iâve always found work Tamaraâs to be very reliable. I will look over what you have given us here & see if there is anything I can add that may be of help. John German was the primary researcher on the Robbins of Overton, TN. Johnâs wife was a Robbins descendant & he was able to connect his wifeâs line to Daniel Robins through DNA testing of his wifeâs father. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Not sure how reliable this is.. but this is what I was going off of. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tamara/james_robbins.html I know that Millard's father died in Missouri around 1864 and was born in 1830. Jim Gum has said that James H Robbins was the son of John Robbins and Martha Hannah Robbins in Overton TN, but I think that is incorrect. Because of the attached research and the mention of Millard as grandson in the wi ll. It shows that a James Robbins was born in SC in 1830 to James Robbins and Wife Mary. This would make sense that then Millard would be listed as Grandson in the Will of James Robbins (1786) and that because of the time of death (1872) he would not have listed James (his son) because he was already deceas ed. My G Grandfather Millard Robbins Was Born in Overton TN Dec 16, 1858, Died (Death notice below) Death Notices & Obituaries - as reported in the - Mountain View Standard - Mountain View, Missouri: "W.M. Robbins Drops Dead" Sunday, July 19, 1925, W.M. Robbins of this city, who had accompanied Pete Stevenson, Leo Ball and C.H. Price, also of this city, to a farm about four miles west of Cabool, Mo., to pass judgmen t on some stock, suddenly grabbed at his chest and fell forward. Those with him went to his assistance and he is said to have been conscious for a few minutes, and then quietly passed away. The remains were taken to Cabool and embalmed, after word had been sent here by telephone, of his death. His son Fred and family and daughter, Mrs. John Duncan and family, were visiting his other daughter, Mrs. James Crowder of Mammoth Springs, Ark., while another son, Harry, was in St. Louis. Those from Mammoth Springs drove here and then to Cabool as soon as possible, but Undertaker Duncan had to telephone down for his hearse and the remains reached here about 5 o?clock Monday morning. Mr. Robbins, or "Millard" as he was familiarly known, was a man of wide acquaintance and good financial judgment. He came here when a small boy, grew to manhood's estate and has accumulated considerable of this world's goods, being one of the leading auctioneers of this country for years, and being a successful farmer. For several years he has been president of the Bank of Mountain View, having been a director and stockholder there fo r many years. About a year ago he went to Springfield and got a diagnosis from Dr. Smith, who told him his heart valves were leaking and that he might live for years and again that he might die at any time. Several months ago he spent two weeks in Hot Springs, Ark. Returning much improved, apparently. However, the past four weeks he seemed to be failing, and his sudden death did not really surprise those who knew him." What do you think Sara? Would love to see the Will and the other research that Tamara has done with the Robbins side. It looks like James Sr. is from Rutherford County NC, which could link him to Daniel. Donna Crowder 919-669-7580 -----Original Message----- From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> To: robbinsfamilysociety < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:10 am Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Donna, Any birth, death & dates for Millard, & James would be helpful. Did James live & die in SC? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. Yes.grandson. Thanks, Donna Crowder Estimator Faulconer Construction On Dec 10, 2014, at 8:28 AM, " cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Sara, I think she said Millard was GRAND son Of James Robbins CG ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Donna, > > Yes, that would be wonderful for you to find your Robbins ancestors. I will make a note of your Millard of South Carolina son of James Robbins family in case I happen to come across them on a paper trail. Since your b rother carries the Crowder surname he wouldnât be it a candidate for Robbins DNA testing. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:02 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > He had it tested for the crowder line. I will see if we can determine anything about the Robbins. Wouldn't it be exciting if we can make a connection? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:53 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... < mailto:july37@...> [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogr oups.com < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > > > Thanks so much for sharing your Robbins family link. Do you know if your brotherâs DNA matches the Daniel Robins descendants DNA? > > Sara > > > > From: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@...m> mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:45 PM > To: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Donna Crowder's Robbins line. > > > > > > Yes. My great grandfather was Millard Robbins from South Carolina. He was the grand son of James Robbins, as listed in his will. That's as much as I am sure of. My brother had his DNA tested would that help?? > > Thanks, > > > > Donna Crowder > > Estimator > > Faulconer Construction > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... < mailto:july37@...> [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogr oups.com < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: > > > > Donna, > > Any idea which son of Daniel & Hope is your ancestor? Iâm interested in what you have for a paper trail to Robbins if you donât mind sharing it. > > Sara > > > > > > From: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:48 AM > To: < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > > > Me too! My Grandmother was a Robbins, but I am hoping her brothers children got tested and I can get some insight to my own past. That's why I joined the site.. > > > > Thanks Caroline and all who have done so much pain staking research.. I wish I had more time :) > > > > Donna Crowder > 919-669-7580 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: < mailto:cgilleece@...> cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > To: robbinsfamilysociety < < mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 8:22 am > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Where's our Leader? > > > > Richard, Suppose you have no one to test?? My Robins was my grand mother and I have no one to test... that does not make me less interested. I hope you will re-think this. Information and education are always valuable to share. Thanks for all you do. Caroline > > ---- " < mailto:richard.robbins13@...> richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < < mailto:robbinsfamil ysociety@yahoogroups.com> robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I am admin for the Robbins DNA page,along with 2 other admins, so I would say yes. I need to get rid of a few members that haven't tested, but I think in order to see the site and be able to participate in the discu ssion, there must be a tested kit available for that. Share and share alike... > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1111 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2014-12-14 21:00:13 Subject:Re: AncestryDNA Message: Thanks Richard, I forgot to mention,  I had my brother's kit (#107531) upgraded for Family Finder, and I had the raw data from the AncestryDNA tests transferred to GEDmatch. My brother's ID is: J.P.R./A113029. I have y et to transfer my brother's FTDNA raw DATA, but perhaps that would be redundant.  I can see where these sites offer a broader scope of information if you understand DNA science, but I have difficultly following, and in terpreting those tests results. I am looking forward to viewing Robbins matches on AncestryDNAMary ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1112 Sender:"richard.robbins13" Post Date/Time:2014-12-15 05:55:53 Subject:Re: AncestryDNA Message: Checked the numbers that you sent, no match. Of course that is to be expected, distance being what it is and all. Sent from Samsung tablet ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1113 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2014-12-15 13:57:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: The Most Memorable Christmases 2014 Message: Sounds good. Let the submissions commence! On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Tod, > > Good Idea to share Christmas memories again. Itâs Christmas!!!! Letâs not > be PC & change Christmas to Holidays. If any of the Robbins members follow > another faith that doesnât celebrate Christmas the birth of Jesus Christ > thatâs their choice. Love them & love to hear their HOLIDAY story but itâs > still Christmas. > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:20 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: The Most Memorable Christmases 2014 > > > > > > Oh, and please send your submissions to robbinsfamilysociety@... > > > > Thanks! > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:16 AM, todd.d.robbins@... < > todd.d.robbins@...> wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Last year we threw together a little website for Robbins' Christmas > memories. We probably should change it to "holidays" to respect the various > beliefs and traditions of our members, but here's last year's site: > > > > http://todrobbins.com/robbins/christmas/ > > > > I'm still working on buying a good domain name from our family association > (which we should incorporate some day), but for now the site will live on > my personal web domain. > > > > Anyhow, details aside: will you please submit stories, with photos if you > have them, of holiday memories among your Robbins families? > > > > I think it would be a great project to continue for years to come. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins