----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1114 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-05 22:35:37 Subject:Stephen and Daniel Robins, Gainsborough, Ontario Message: Just a bit of information, to be filed under the "never give up" section: My 5th great grandfather Stephen Robins had gotten 200 acres of land, in the 13th concession of Gainsborough Township in 1795. No records of petitions for Stephen or his alleged brother Daniel have been found as of yet. DNA has proven the connection to the Daniel Robins of New Jersey, and walking back from there, it was found that a Daniel Robins died intestate in NJ. Wills of the time in NJ showed the transfer of land between Daniel Robins of Gainsborough, and his sister Abigail Robins Vaughan. married to Jacob Vaughan. Searching through the Upper Canada Land Petitions (1763-1865) on a whim tonight, I pulled the following snippet out of Jacob's petition. It says: "The petitioner's wife (Abigail Robins Vaughan) has two brothers & a sister in Gainsborough & have been settled therin for five years past." So, confirmation that Daniel and Stephen were brothers, their grants were in 1795, this one was from 1800. And who, I wonder, was the sister? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1115 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-02-06 09:32:50 Subject:The Robbins in New Jersey Message: Who are our resident experts on the Robbins in New Jersey? I have some questions about various data points related to this region. Anyhow, I also have been working on a little project in my spare time related to the number of people in New Jersey with the surname Robbins. Check out my post here: http://todrobbins.com/rooted/robbinses-of-new-jersey-state-census-1885/ Thanks in advance! -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1116 Sender:"Peggy Robbins" Post Date/Time:2015-02-06 11:30:29 Subject:Re: Stephen and Daniel Robins, Gainsborough, Ontario Message: Richard, Abigail's sister may have been Deborah Robins Pettit, wife of Jonathan Pettit. I have a document discussing "Annals of 40" that says the Pettits went to Niagara. I've also seen researchent that says Deborah died in NJ, but Deborah and Jonathan's son, Andrew Robbins Pettit, definitely was in Canada. His children's graves are on findagrave. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1117 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-06 12:21:17 Subject:Re: Stephen and Daniel Robins, Gainsborough, Ontario Message: That is true, but John Taylor poo-pooed that idea long ago. Only one way to find out, though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1118 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-06 12:28:02 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Stephen and Daniel Robins, Gainsborough, Ontario Message: Richard, Why did John Taylor dismiss Peggy’s possibility of Deborah Robins Petit as the daughter of Daniel & Ann Robins? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 12:21 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Stephen and Daniel Robins, Gainsborough, Ontario That is true, but John Taylor poo-pooed that idea long ago. Only one way to find out, though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1119 Sender:Murray Aspden Post Date/Time:2015-02-06 13:43:09 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Stephen and Daniel Robins, Gainsborough, Ontario Message: Hi All, Now that I have had the cataract surgeries successfully behind me and I can read somewhat normally, I came across the 1842 Canada West Censi last year. With today�s discussion, the following link can add some basic know ledge of our family in Wainfleet township of the Niagara District: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1842/uc/pdf/004569584_00574.pdf Look at the occupant�s list, the owner�s list and to some extent those eligible to vote list. Note Stephen Robbins b. 1767 New Jersey owns the property that resides on: Daniel Con. VII Lot 28 Matthias Conc. VII Lot 27 Not sure who Adam Robbins is on Conc. VII Lot 30 However the complex family connections show up further down the list: Abigail Dill Conc. VI Lot 12 (? written over top) Peter Pettit Conc.VI Lot 13 By 1842 my James K. Robbins is located in Canborough Tp. on the River Lot (Grand River) Interesting to see that a James Dill is enumerated just under him. http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1842/uc/pdf/004569584_00604.pdf Will send this off. Murray Aspden ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1120 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-06 14:53:52 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Stephen and Daniel Robins, Gainsborough, Ontario Message: He said that they never were there. I would have to check the archives for the actual exchange. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1121 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-06 15:23:25 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Stephen and Daniel Robins, Gainsborough, Ontario Message: Actually,on looking into the subject, Deborah Robbins could not have been a daughter of Daniel and Ann, she could have been a sister to Daniel d. 1802, though. At the very least, a contemporary. She is listed with birth dates from 1723- 1724 on line, but no listed father. Her will suggests that she never came to Canada. Deborah Pettit Image 1 http://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Robbins-2500 http://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Robbins-2500 Deborah Pettit Image 1 http://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Robbins-2500 Image of Deborah Pettit,. View on www.wikitree.com http://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Robbins-2500 Preview by Yahoo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1122 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-06 17:51:19 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Stephen and Daniel Robins, Gainsborough, Ontario Message: Richard, I like your “never give up” idea. You made a good find with the Jacob & Abigail Vaughn document. As for Deborah Robins Petit, it’s not likely she was the sister of Daniel Robins because all the surviving children of Dan iel’s father John Robins were named in his will dated June 29, 1775 & proved September 16, 1777. John Taylor was a very knowledgeable researcher so thanks for answering my question. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 3:23 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Stephen and Daniel Robins, Gainsborough, Ontario Actually,on looking into the subject, Deborah Robbins could not have been a daughter of Daniel and Ann, she could have been a sister to Daniel d. 1802, though. At the very least, a contemporary. She is listed with birth dates from 1723- 1724 on line, but no listed father. Her will suggests that she never came to Canada. Deborah Pettit Image 1 Deborah Pettit Image 1 Image of Deborah Pettit,. View on www.wikitree.com Preview by Yahoo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1123 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-06 18:21:16 Subject:RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: I just finished reviewing the research report that was completed by Diane Rapaport regarding the NEHGS George Stewart collection & posted at the SPOW site. There is no mention of Daniel Robinson in the report other than his name on the ship John & Sara manifest. I did see the name James Robinson in Box 1 folder. p. 203 under a section titled "Scots in Canada". This page n amed the places of residence for 32 Scotsman. A James Robinson was listed as living in Dorchester Co. town of Dorchester. Interesting because there was a James Robinson on the ship John & Sara's manifest. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1124 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-06 20:59:48 Subject:RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: I really can't explain the difficulty with the exclusion. I'd have to wonder if more of their focus is based on the "iron works" people, or maybe there is something that is being done wrong by those that are participati ng on our end? Or, perhaps they are wondering about the different DNA haplogroup signature that the Robbins samples present vs the usual Scottish modal values? All this will be answered at some point, soon enough. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1125 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-06 21:26:42 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: Richard, Your message is confusing to me? I assume you are responding to my post on the Diane Rapaport’s search of the George Stewart collection? Please explain. Difficulty with what exclusion? Whose focus is based on the ”iro n works”. Something that is being done wrong by those participating on our end? Who are the “they” that’s wondering about the DNA haplogroup Robbins samples not matching the usual Scottish modal values? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 9:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport I really can't explain the difficulty with the exclusion. I'd have to wonder if more of their focus is based on the "iron works" people, or maybe there is something that is being done wrong by those that are participati ng on our end? Or, perhaps they are wondering about the different DNA haplogroup signature that the Robbins samples present vs the usual Scottish modal values? All this will be answered at some point, soon enough. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1126 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-07 06:39:39 Subject:RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: I just felt that there is a focus on certain "Scottish Prisoners" versus others that may be on the list. Don't mind me, I'm just rambling. That happens when one does not actually READ the report, so I just jumped to con clusions. The Saw mill and the Iron Works are more or less dominating the discussions on that mailing list, so that's the reference that I mentioned in my earlier post. I am hoping that someday there will be a link to Scotland with existing Scottish people through the group. I think that their primary focus should be the DNA aspect, If you go to the FTDNA website, you will see what I mean in relation to other "Scottish" DNA STR signatures. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1127 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-07 07:57:05 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: Richard, Thanks for the clarification. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@...m] Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 6:40 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport I just felt that there is a focus on certain "Scottish Prisoners" versus others that may be on the list. Don't mind me, I'm just rambling. That happens when one does not actually READ the report, so I just jumped to con clusions. The Saw mill and the Iron Works are more or less dominating the discussions on that mailing list, so that's the reference that I mentioned in my earlier post. I am hoping that someday there will be a link to Scotland with existing Scottish people through the group. I think that their primary focus should be the DNA aspect, If you go to the FTDNA website, you will see what I m ean in relation to other "Scottish" DNA STR signatures. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1128 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-02-07 08:19:53 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: Sara, Is James a worthy research pursuit? He could be from the same clan (sharing a surname), however genetically removed from Daniel. And to Richard's points, the SPOW group is focusing a lot of attention on the iron works and saw mill to the exclusion of other branches of research. Also, DNA testing and verification is a very worthy endeavor a growing group, such as SPOW, could help bankroll with pooled funds. –Tod On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 7:57 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Richard, > > Thanks for the clarification. > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2015 6:40 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport > > > > > > I just felt that there is a focus on certain "Scottish Prisoners" versus > others that may be on the list. Don't mind me, I'm just rambling. That > happens when one does not actually READ the report, so I just jumped to > conclusions. The Saw mill and the Iron Works are more or less dominating > the discussions on that mailing list, so that's the reference that I > mentioned in my earlier post. > > > > I am hoping that someday there will be a link to Scotland with existing > Scottish people through the group. I think that their primary focus should > be the DNA aspect, If you go to the FTDNA website, you will see what I mean > in relation to other "Scottish" DNA STR signatures. > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1129 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-07 10:41:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: I would like to see at least a 12 marker test to determine if he is a match or not. So far, any Robinson has not matched the modal of the Robbins group one. There are some in the Robinson FTDNA group that match SOME, bu t at 12 markers you would like to see a good match for that. There are a few that are off by 2 markers, not really what one would want to see. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1130 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-07 11:00:36 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: Tod, If the James Robinson of Dorchester, Canada is the same man who came on the ship John & Sara then it would be of some interest. Personally I wouldn’t spend any money on genealogical research for him without more informa tion. The page that listed the 32 names & towns of the Scots in Canada 1690 was unclear to me. Was the reference to just known Scots living in Canada or were these men SPOWs? I’m going to take another look at it to see if I recognize any of the other names on the list as being SPOWs. If this James Robinson has living descendants & it’s suspected he may be a SPOW then a DNA test would be of interest to me. My thoughts are regarding the SPOW site is they are doing a great job in presenting the material available on the SPOWs. The ironworks & sawmill played such a big role in the events surrounding the these men. It has to be very difficult & time consuming to orchestrate this particular type of group due to its’ size & the many different families involved. Teresa does a wonderful job conducting the group along with Eleanor’s help. They b oth have a lot of knowledge on their Scottish ancestors & the SPOW subject. As to the SPOW DNA part, if a member there is really interested in learning more about their ancestors they will move on the DNA part. I don ’t know but possibly there may be a few of the SPOW members interested in pooling funds for DNA testing. A suggestion would be to inquire if you are interested. My thoughts are this is the responsibility of the indivi dual researcher to pay for their own test or for members of their direct branch. In 2005, the former Robbins group did fund testing. This was to help get the Daniel Robins DNA project off the ground. I don’t see this happening now. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 8:20 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Sara, Is James a worthy research pursuit? He could be from the same clan (sharing a surname), however genetically removed from Daniel. And to Richard's points, the SPOW group is focusing a lot of attention on the iron works a nd saw mill to the exclusion of other branches of research. Also, DNA testing and verification is a very worthy endeavor a growing group, such as SPOW, could help bankroll with pooled funds. –Tod On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 7:57 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Richard, Thanks for the clarification. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 6:40 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport I just felt that there is a focus on certain "Scottish Prisoners" versus others that may be on the list. Don't mind me, I'm just rambling. That happens when one does not actually READ the report, so I just jumped to con clusions. The Saw mill and the Iron Works are more or less dominating the discussions on that mailing list, so that's the reference that I mentioned in my earlier post. I am hoping that someday there will be a link to Scotland with existing Scottish people through the group. I think that their primary focus should be the DNA aspect, If you go to the FTDNA website, you will see what I m ean in relation to other "Scottish" DNA STR signatures. -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1131 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-07 14:34:55 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: This page is a bio of said James Robinson Not Scottish at all, it seems. https://books.google.com/books?id=QKorAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA258&lpg=PA258&dq=James+Robinson+of+Dorchester,+Canada&source=bl&ots=K70g1KCbt6&sig=qS7dIDGrxDrs8rhg9Xj7IA4YJOI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fYTWVKLKE9PIsQSazYLgCw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=o nepage&q=James%20Robinson%20of%20Dorchester%2C%20Canada&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=QKorAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA258&lpg=PA258&dq=James+Robinson+of+Dorchester,+Canada&source=bl&ots=K70g1KCbt6&sig=qS7dIDGrxDrs8rhg9Xj7 IA4YJOI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fYTWVKLKE9PIsQSazYLgCw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=James%20Robinson%20of%20Dorchester%2C%20Canada&f=false ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1132 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-07 16:11:53 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: Richard, Thanks for finding the bio for James Robinson of Dorchester. Nathan Robinson a descendant of James Robinson in his bio records James’ birth date as 1646 & death date 1694. James would have been only 6 years old at the t ime of the Battle of Worcester. So unless his birth date & his birthplace are wrong then it’s unlikely James Robinson of Dorchester Canada is a SPOW. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 2:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport This page is a bio of said James Robinson Not Scottish at all, it seems. https://books.google.com/books?id=QKorAAAAYAAJ &pg=PA258&lpg=PA258&dq=James+Robinson+of+Dorchester,+Canada&source=bl&ots=K70g1KCbt6&sig=qS7dIDGrxDrs8rhg9 Xj7IA4YJOI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fYTWVKLKE9PIsQSazYLgCw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=James%20Robinson%20of%20Dorchester%2C%20Canada&f=false ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1133 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-07 18:10:52 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: Taking a closer look at the James Robinson bio I noticed Worcester County on the top of the page. What an oversight on my part. James Robinson was of Dorchester, MA not Canada. He married Mary Alcock on 7-27-1664 in Dor chester. Source: MA Town & Vital Records 1620-1988. I checked the Stewart folder again & see the other 32 Scots appear to also live in MA towns not Canada as recorded at the top of the page. This page seems quite inaccu rate to me & misleading. Among the 32 names are familiar ones found on SPOW lists. If it wasn’t for birth date of James Robinson being 1647, he would be worth pursuing for his descendants DNA. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 2:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport This page is a bio of said James Robinson Not Scottish at all, it seems. https://books.google.com/books?id=QKorAAAAYAAJ &pg=PA258&lpg=PA258&dq=James+Robinson+of+Dorchester,+Canada&source=bl&ots=K70g1KCbt6&sig=qS7dIDGrxDrs8rhg9 Xj7IA4YJOI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fYTWVKLKE9PIsQSazYLgCw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=James%20Robinson%20of%20Dorchester%2C%20Canada&f=false ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1134 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-02-07 21:41:18 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: Now that's a bit exciting! On Saturday, February 7, 2015, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Taking a closer look at the James Robinson bio I noticed *Worcester > County* on the top of the page. What an oversight on my part. James > Robinson was of Dorchester, MA not Canada. He married Mary Alcock on > 7-27-1664 in Dorchester. Source: MA Town & Vital Records 1620-1988. I > checked the Stewart folder again & see the other 32 Scots appear to also > live in MA towns not Canada as recorded at the top of the page. This page > seems quite inaccurate to me & misleading. Among the 32 names are familiar > ones found on SPOW lists. If it wasn’t for birth date of James Robinson > being 1647, he would be worth pursuing for his descendants DNA. > > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > ] > *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2015 2:35 PM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport > > > > > > This page is a bio of said James Robinson Not Scottish at all, it seems. > > > > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=QKorAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA258&lpg=PA258&dq=James+Robinson+of+Dorchester,+Canada&source=bl&ots=K70g1KCbt6&sig=qS7dIDGrxDrs8rhg9Xj7IA4YJOI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fYTWVKLKE9PIsQSazYLgCw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v =onepage&q=James%20Robinson%20of%20Dorchester%2C%20Canada&f=false > > > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1135 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-10 15:33:35 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:SPOW Search by Diane Rapaport Message: You can't swing a bag of cats in most towns without slapping a Robinson upside the head with it. picking random Robinsons, or even Robbins,for DNA testing can be dicey to begin with. I am not seeing the DNA in any Robinson samples that are participating in FTDNA as of yet. It's been a long time that testing has been available, so I probably will have to conclude that there isn't anyone going to mat ch the modal anytime soon. IF I had a choice, I would pick 2 spots for people that may match our DNA. One is Bermuda, the other is Virginia. I have one autosomal match in the islands, and no known association with them. Distant cousin match. The other is Virginia, where I had read that there were shipments of Scotsmen to work for a while. If you remember John German's quest down south, it COULD explain some matches from down that way. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1136 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-11 07:21:03 Subject:Misinformation central! Message: Just was going through the google listings of our Daniel Robins and the many places he was born. And to whom. Richard Robinson and wife Mary, born in Crosswicks, born in New Haven, and of course the Blair Atholl origin. There needs to be a definitive site for the Robins story to be told. consolidating research and whatever else needs to be done. DNA has to play a huge role in this, to accurately confirm the paper trail. Thoughts? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1137 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-11 09:44:29 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Richard, When I started the previous Robbins group in 2005 it was to accomplish the goals you speak of on the Daniel Robins/Robinson family. We compiled the Robins, Robbins of NJ book & sponsored the first group project for the Daniel Robins DNA study. At that time, we had a number of very capable & informed researchers who had been working on the Daniel Robins family for years, along before the internet. As DNA began to be used more as a genealogical tool, member Ta mara Stevens set up a very nice Daniel Robins DNA site & the link to Tamara’s site was available from the Robbins Yahoo group. In the long run my thoughts are, it’s impossible to overcome or compete with what is on ance stry.com. Especially with all the trees there & lack of serious researchers who dabble in family history for short time. In order to consolidate & purify the research, first of all knowledgeable & experienced researchers are required. Research to the average seeker is looking here & there to see what other people have found, then picking & choosing what appeals to them. There has a real desire to invest time, work & resources to make advancements. The SPOW group seems to me to be doing all of these things right now. They have the experienced researcher s, leaders like Teresa who can answer questions on the paper trail side & John on the DNA. They are able to generate enough interest to raise funds to hire one of the best genealogists for their specific area of intere st. In my opinion is the recipe for success. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 7:21 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Just was going through the google listings of our Daniel Robins and the many places he was born. And to whom. Richard Robinson and wife Mary, born in Crosswicks, born in New Haven, and of course the Blair Atholl origin. There needs to be a definitive site for the Robins story to be told. consolidating research and whatever else needs to be done. DNA has to play a huge role in this, to accurately confirm the paper trail. Thoughts? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1138 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-11 20:43:11 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: I applaud all the efforts put forward by the group since 2005, without that, my tree would still be undiscovered, especially due to the discovery of the deds in NJ. Also, the work done by others, Tamara and John German included, to ease the way for other DNA matching the Daniel Robins modal. I have no illusions that any significant research by the SPOW group will ever cast an eye toward Daniel Robins/Robinson. Already splinter groups are forming to pay for specific research on specific SPOW's such as Dunba r, and others. Unless there is a concerted effort to pay a researcher to do the heavy lifting in search of Daniel Robins and his family on the other side of the pond, it may never happen. I've dropped a significant amount of money on the Y-DNA aspect of the Robins Family, as have most of you here. I am waiting the results of the Big Y test, which according to some may be useful in determining origins of the male line someday. Wait and see, I guess. Is there any interest in putting together a fund for research over in the British Isles? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1139 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 08:36:12 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: The work that was done in the past is only a foundation. However, in order to have the research progress we need to move forward. When I say WE I don’t mean just YOU & ME this needs to be a group effort. I did contribut e to the SPOW research but didn’t have any expectations or illusions either for anything new on Daniel Robins. Over the years I have personally invested my time & money in New England research for Daniel Robins/Robinson including paying for the services of two certified New England genealogists. Before the SPOW search began, I already had from Diane Rapaport her SPOW Robinson research names. There was nothing there I could use. This i s what the SPOW group is asking for from her now, that is her files with all the names she has looked at in the New England Court Records. What is your vision for British Isles research? Can you give us an outline of what you propose including the cost? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 8:43 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! I applaud all the efforts put forward by the group since 2005, without that, my tree would still be undiscovered, especially due to the discovery of the deds in NJ. Also, the work done by others, Tamara and John German included, to ease the way for other DNA matching the Daniel Robins modal. I have no illusions that any significant research by the SPOW group will ever cast an eye toward Daniel Robins/Robinson. Already splinter groups are forming to pay for specific research on specific SPOW's such as Dunbar , and others. Unless there is a concerted effort to pay a researcher to do the heavy lifting in search of Daniel Robins and his family on the other side of the pond, it may never happen. I've dropped a significant amount of money on the Y-DNA aspect of the Robins Family, as have most of you here. I am waiting the results of the Big Y test, which according to some may be useful in determining origins of the male line someday. Wait and see, I guess. Is there any interest in putting together a fund for research over in the British Isles? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1140 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 09:43:12 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: I really can't say where we would begin, to be honest. The hometown of origin of Daniel is rather vague, in my opinion. You've done everything possible from this side of the ocean, to be sure. Not many stones unturned f or the search in the USA. I was just looking through some online resources for the indenture of Daniel, no such luck as of yet. The general consensus is that Robert Foote was the holder of the indenture, is that correct? Is there a known birthdate for Daniel Robinson/Robins? Or even a day of birth? It may boil down to DNA matches in the Isles, somewhere. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1141 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 09:48:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: I've mentioned it before but I would be happy to design and develop a website for our group (which would appear on the first page of search results, as the Robbins Wikispot site does today). If we can pool around $30 I can register a domain name (I was planning on robbinsfamilysociety.org) for 2 years worth and get to work immediately. We can then add as many editors to the site as are interested/verified. What do you think? On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:36 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > The work that was done in the past is only a foundation. However, in order > to have the research progress we need to move forward. When I say WE I > don’t mean just YOU & ME this needs to be a group effort. I did contribute > to the SPOW research but didn’t have any expectations or illusions either > for anything new on Daniel Robins. Over the years I have personally > invested my time & money in New England research for Daniel Robins/Robinson > including paying for the services of two certified New England > genealogists. Before the SPOW search began, I already had from Diane > Rapaport her SPOW Robinson research names. There was nothing there I could > use. This is what the SPOW group is asking for from her now, that is her > files with all the names she has looked at in the New England Court Records. > > What is your vision for British Isles research? Can you give us an outline > of what you propose including the cost? > > > Sara > > > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2015 8:43 PM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! > > > > > > I applaud all the efforts put forward by the group since 2005, without > that, my tree would still be undiscovered, especially due to the discovery > of the deds in NJ. > > > > Also, the work done by others, Tamara and John German included, to ease > the way for other DNA matching the Daniel Robins modal. > > > > I have no illusions that any significant research by the SPOW group will > ever cast an eye toward Daniel Robins/Robinson. Already splinter groups are > forming to pay for specific research on specific SPOW's such as Dunbar, and > others. Unless there is a concerted effort to pay a researcher to do the > heavy lifting in search of Daniel Robins and his family on the other side > of the pond, it may never happen. > > > > I've dropped a significant amount of money on the Y-DNA aspect of the > Robins Family, as have most of you here. I am waiting the results of the > Big Y test, which according to some may be useful in determining origins of > the male line someday. Wait and see, I guess. > > > > Is there any interest in putting together a fund for research over in the > British Isles? > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1142 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 11:00:20 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Richard, Not correct, it isn’t a general consensus that Robert Foote was the holder of Daniel’s indenture. Robert Foote was the husband of Sarah Potter, Hope’s sister. Oral history states Daniel was indentured to Nat. Foote. Thi s has to be Nat Foote Jr. as Nat Foote, Sr. was deceased before 1652. All of this has been searched out, Nat Foote Jr’s estate , etc. & other New England records. No indenture document has been discovered. I’ve learned that other SPOW researchers have run into the same situation in not being able to locate an actual indenture document for their POW. Daniel’s 1627 birthdate is based on two Bible records. There is no birth month or day recorded for Daniel that has appeared in any of our searches. All of this information including photo copies of the Bible records c an be accessed at family search in the Robins, Robbins of New Jersey book. This is the book John Taylor authored & I co-authored along with the input of the Robbins group researchers from our previous group. The book co ntains all of the important records & documents that have been discovered & extracted up to 2006 on Daniel Robins & his 11 children. You can save yourself a lot of time searching online for early records on Daniel & fam ily when all you have to do is refer to the book first. There has the be more than a few DNA matches available in the British Isles before it’s possible to get a general picture of a specific area for Daniel. So at this time many unanswered questions remain regarding the man Daniel Robins/Robinson. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:43 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! I really can't say where we would begin, to be honest. The hometown of origin of Daniel is rather vague, in my opinion. You've done everything possible from this side of the ocean, to be sure. Not many stones unturned f or the search in the USA. I was just looking through some online resources for the indenture of Daniel, no such luck as of yet. The general consensus is that Robert Foote was the holder of the indenture, is that correct? Is there a known birthdate for Daniel Robinson/Robins? Or even a day of birth? It may boil down to DNA matches in the Isles, somewhere. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1143 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 13:08:26 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: I have a hard copy of the book here, just need to find where I put it. It is online, as a PDF somehwhere, so maybe if I have some time i will review it and see where the search needs to go. As you have sauif, exhaustive research has been done here in the USA, FTDNA is, I think, the only one that is doing YDNA to identify members of Robinson and other surnames that match the Robins line perfectly. I would love to see other members of this group be tested for the YDNA. I believe the more samples we have, the better informed we may be. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1144 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 14:42:27 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: So here's the wiki entry for Daniel Robins, which shows up on the first page of results on Google without any more information than "daniel robins": [image: Inline image 1] Did my previous email not come through? I think we can easily ensure the most accurate data is available to even the very inexperienced of researched through our own website. I'd prefer not to rely on the SPOW group for maintaining web-accessible resources about Daniel/Hope and their descendants. Also, feel free to edit the existing wiki page if I have things wrong (which I'm sure is possible). –Tod On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:08 PM, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > I have a hard copy of the book here, just need to find where I put it. It > is online, as a PDF somehwhere, so maybe if I have some time i will review > it and see where the search needs to go. > > As you have sauif, exhaustive research has been done here in the USA, > FTDNA is, I think, the only one that is doing YDNA to identify members of > Robinson and other surnames that match the Robins line perfectly. I would > love to see other members of this group be tested for the YDNA. I believe > the more samples we have, the better informed we may be. > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1145 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 14:49:32 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Richard, The book is online at familysearch.com I totally agree the more DNA samples we have the better it is for the Robbins/Robinson DNA search. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:08 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! I have a hard copy of the book here, just need to find where I put it. It is online, as a PDF somehwhere, so maybe if I have some time i will review it and see where the search needs to go. As you have sauif, exhaustive research has been done here in the USA, FTDNA is, I think, the only one that is doing YDNA to identify members of Robinson and other surnames that match the Robins line perfectly. I would l ove to see other members of this group be tested for the YDNA. I believe the more samples we have, the better informed we may be. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1146 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 15:58:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: I've never been able to quite figure out the wiki, Tod. And there's no place for further DNA results to be displayed, as far as I know. I would love to see a male in your family line test YDNA, just for comparison purpo ses with other Daniel Robins descendants. That may make a bit of difference in tracing the line back past Daniel someday. Just my two cents. I have contacted an ENGLISH man, that matches the 12 marker test. Not the right name, but I believe that if I can get a location for that L23 YDNA signature, I may be on to something. The YDNA that the Robins line for Daniel possesses, seems to still originate from the Caucasus, and that neck of the woods. I know that it has been mentioned that the Royalist army was mostly Scottish, but there is at least 10% that were NOT, according to what I have been reading. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1147 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 16:10:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: I'd be down for a few dollars. Unclear why 30 bucks would be such a big thing, requiring a pool, though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1148 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 16:41:11 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: My thoughts are this would duplicate other similar sites for Daniel Robinson/Robins that can also be accessed by google. Count me out. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! I'd be down for a few dollars. Unclear why 30 bucks would be such a big thing, requiring a pool, though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1149 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 16:44:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Richard, $30 would pay for 2 years registration of the domain name. I could front the money but wanted to see if anyone wanted to pitch in since it'll be a community/group resource. Also, on our our site we could display any DNA data we want, including allowing folks to download raw DNA files (txt or csv). I really want to take a YDNA test but am still saving up. We have a tonsillectomy coming up for my daughter and thus not much extra cash currently. And Sara, I thought you just said we need an authoritative place for information about Daniel and his family. We can do that by building a resource that is independent of other providers (Ancestry, FamilySearch, Wikispot, SPOW) and that we could manage as a group. I'm just offering my services in the web development process. What are the similar sites you're referring to? –Tod On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:10 PM, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > I'd be down for a few dollars. Unclear why 30 bucks would be such a big > thing, requiring a pool, though. > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1150 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 16:54:50 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Tod, As I recall Richard said he was interested in a place to consolidate information not me. This just isn’t a project I want to sponsor. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:44 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Richard, $30 would pay for 2 years registration of the domain name. I could front the money but wanted to see if anyone wanted to pitch in since it'll be a community/group resource. Also, on our our site we could display any DNA data we want, including allowing folks to download raw DNA files (txt or csv). I really want to take a YDNA test but am still saving up. We have a tonsillectomy coming up f or my daughter and thus not much extra cash currently. And Sara, I thought you just said we need an authoritative place for information about Daniel and his family. We can do that by building a resource that is independent of other providers (Ancestry, FamilySearch, Wikispot, SPOW) a nd that we could manage as a group. I'm just offering my services in the web development process. What are the similar sites you're referring to? –Tod On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:10 PM, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: I'd be down for a few dollars. Unclear why 30 bucks would be such a big thing, requiring a pool, though. -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1151 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 17:31:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Ah gotcha. Well thanks for chiming in. I too am concerned about the multiplicity of info out there and how we best go about making authoritative reference material for each other. On Thursday, February 12, 2015, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Tod, > > As I recall Richard said he was interested in a place to consolidate > information not me. This just isn’t a project I want to sponsor. > > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > ] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:44 PM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! > > > > > > Richard, > > > > $30 would pay for 2 years registration of the domain name. I could front > the money but wanted to see if anyone wanted to pitch in since it'll be a > community/group resource. > > > > Also, on our our site we could display any DNA data we want, including > allowing folks to download raw DNA files (txt or csv). I really want to > take a YDNA test but am still saving up. We have a tonsillectomy coming up > for my daughter and thus not much extra cash currently. > > > > And Sara, > > > > I thought you just said we need an authoritative place for information > about Daniel and his family. We can do that by building a resource that is > independent of other providers (Ancestry, FamilySearch, Wikispot, SPOW) and > that we could manage as a group. I'm just offering my services in the web > development process. What are the similar sites you're referring to? > > > > > > –Tod > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:10 PM, richard.robbins13@yahoo.com > > [robbinsfamilysociety] > > wrote: > > > > I'd be down for a few dollars. Unclear why 30 bucks would be such a big > thing, requiring a pool, though. > > > > > > -- > > Tod Robbins > > Digital Asset Manager, MLIS > > todrobbins.com | @todrobbins > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1152 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-12 18:26:09 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Tod, Wishing your little girl the best with her tonsillectomy. I expect her Mommy & Daddy will be happy when it’s over too. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 5:32 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Ah gotcha. Well thanks for chiming in. I too am concerned about the multiplicity of info out there and how we best go about making authoritative reference material for each other. On Thursday, February 12, 2015, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Tod, As I recall Richard said he was interested in a place to consolidate information not me. This just isn’t a project I want to sponsor. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:44 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Richard, $30 would pay for 2 years registration of the domain name. I could front the money but wanted to see if anyone wanted to pitch in since it'll be a community/group resource. Also, on our our site we could display any DNA data we want, including allowing folks to download raw DNA files (txt or csv). I really want to take a YDNA test but am still saving up. We have a tonsillectomy coming up f or my daughter and thus not much extra cash currently. And Sara, I thought you just said we need an authoritative place for information about Daniel and his family. We can do that by building a resource that is independent of other providers (Ancestry, FamilySearch, Wikispot, SPOW) a nd that we could manage as a group. I'm just offering my services in the web development process. What are the similar sites you're referring to? –Tod On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:10 PM, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I'd be down for a few dollars. Unclear why 30 bucks would be such a big thing, requiring a pool, though. -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1153 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 06:13:59 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: I totally agree with Sara. Caroline ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > My thoughts are this would duplicate other similar sites for Daniel Robinson/Robins that can also be accessed by google. Count me out. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:10 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! > > > > > > I'd be down for a few dollars. Unclear why 30 bucks would be such a big thing, requiring a pool, though. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1154 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 07:23:12 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Going through google, I am looking for a site that is all of these: 1) Accurate and correct 2) Easy to navigate, and 3) Complete, to at least a minimum level, to the 1800's for descendants I guess that is a little too much to ask. LOL ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1155 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 08:23:08 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Richard, What you want to accomplish in establishing a site that has accurate information can be done. However, it doesn’t mean seekers are going to see your particular website information as the “Holy Grail “of family history. There are so many competing sites with different versions. Unfortunately, we live in the age of “grab & go” genealogy & I don’t see where that’s going to change. As to setting up another Robbins DNA site. Why isn’t the world families website you host adequate? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 7:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Going through google, I am looking for a site that is all of these: 1) Accurate and correct 2) Easy to navigate, and 3) Complete, to at least a minimum level, to the 1800's for descendants I guess that is a little too much to ask. LOL ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1156 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 08:27:14 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Carolyn, Thank you for your opinion on the website topic. I wish other members would take an interest & post their thoughts either pro or con too. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 6:14 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! I totally agree with Sara. Caroline ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > My thoughts are this would duplicate other similar sites for Daniel Robinson/Robins that can also be accessed by google. Count me out. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:10 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! > > > > > > I'd be down for a few dollars. Unclear why 30 bucks would be such a big thing, requiring a pool, though. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1157 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 08:28:45 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 6:14 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! I totally agree with Sara. Caroline ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > My thoughts are this would duplicate other similar sites for Daniel Robinson/Robins that can also be accessed by google. Count me out. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:10 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! > > > > > > I'd be down for a few dollars. Unclear why 30 bucks would be such a big thing, requiring a pool, though. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1158 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 08:30:48 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Caroline, My apology for misspelling your name. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 8:27 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Carolyn, Thank you for your opinion on the website topic. I wish other members would take an interest & post their thoughts either pro or con too. , Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 6:14 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! I totally agree with Sara. Caroline ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > My thoughts are this would duplicate other similar sites for Daniel Robinson/Robins that can also be accessed by google. Count me out. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:10 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! > > > > > > I'd be down for a few dollars. Unclear why 30 bucks would be such a big thing, requiring a pool, though. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1159 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 10:17:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: ​Richard, I think Sara is right about it being a steep mountain to climb in terms of a "holy grail" of genealogy, but we can definitely provide a place for others to find verifiable claims and documents, photos, DNA data, etc. Shoot me an email and we can get started. And thank you for your thoughts Caroline. –Tod ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1160 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 10:22:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: If the YDNA of the Daniel Robins line originates in the Caucasus then an interesting note is this area is now known as Georgia between the Black & Caspian Seas & was at one time under Roman control. I'm passing along a quote from John Cleary the SPOW site DNA guru. "While the ethnic origins side of DNA testing can be a bit of fun, much information it is based on is very sketchy. Even in Roman times when peoples were on the move around Europe, these groups already showed diversity in their DNA, so it is very hard if not impossible to link one particular DNA pattern to a tribe or people in Europe - they were all mixtures." Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1161 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 10:27:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Very interesting! I imagine the YDNA of Roman Empire-era Caledonians would be a surefire money pot! John Cleary is very skilled. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > If the YDNA of the Daniel Robins line originates in the Caucasus then an > interesting note is this area is now known as Georgia between the Black & > Caspian Seas & was at one time under Roman control. > I'm passing along a quote from John Cleary the SPOW site DNA guru. "While > the ethnic origins side of DNA testing can be a bit of fun, much > information it is based on is very sketchy. Even in Roman times when > peoples were on the move around Europe, these groups already showed > diversity in their DNA, so it is very hard if not impossible to link one > particular DNA pattern to a tribe or people in Europe - they were all > mixtures." > > Sara__._,_.__ > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1162 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 12:02:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: If John Cleary is able to interpret YDNA Big Y BAM data, then he may be one to have a look at the test I have taken. If he cannot, then I would have to defer to the expertise of others. The quote may be somewhat accurate, in terms of Autosomal DNA in particular. John German noticed the same thing that I am talking about, that only 5% of people in UK have this particular DNA signature. L23 is the haplo group shorthand, and the SNP that "probably" I will come in with is Z2109, which may be placing me, and by proxy, most Robbins group one members in this tree. http://www.kumbarov.com/ht35/R1b1a2_ht35%20project%20tree_11_02_09_2015.pdf http://www.kumbarov.com/ht35/R1b1a2_ht35%20project%20tree_11_02_09_2015.pdf Enlarge the tree and find the Z2109 branch of this. This is "probably" where my kit will be placed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1163 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 15:24:11 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Richard, Looks to me if I’m reading the chart correctly that you are in a group with names, Bork (Germany) Yenikeev (Russia) & Guyarati (India) Does the Robbins relationship to these three people go back to the dawn of civilizat ion? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:02 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! If John Cleary is able to interpret YDNA Big Y BAM data, then he may be one to have a look at the test I have taken. If he cannot, then I would have to defer to the expertise of others. The quote may be somewhat accurate, in terms of Autosomal DNA in particular. John German noticed the same thing that I am talking about, that only 5% of people in UK have this particular DNA signature. L23 is the haplog roup shorthand, and the SNP that "probably" I will come in with is Z2109, which may be placing me, and by proxy, most Robbins group one members in this tree. http://www.kumbarov.com/ht35/R1b1a2_ht35%20project%20tree_11_02_09_2015.pdf Enlarge the tree and find the Z2109 branch of this. This is "probably" where my kit will be placed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1164 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 15:52:01 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: The jury is still out on determining the years in which each haplogroup developed. The tree below is listing Z2109 as Iberian. I have emailed John Cleary asking him his opinions, and if he or someone in the Scottish DNA as well as the SPOW is willing to give an analysis of the Big Y DNA file. I do have the creator of the tree you viewed previously willing to take a stab at it. If it is Z2109, then I would be lumped in with Bork, who has joined OUR project just so I can compare the results when it comes in. I am hoping that we are just stopping at Z2105, though. THAT would change a lot of things... LOL R1b (5) - Composite Y-DNA Tree https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/r1b-3 https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/r1b-3 R1b (5) - Composite Y-DNA Tree https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/r1b-3 This tree is just now being asse mbled View on sites.google.com https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/r1b-3 Preview by Yahoo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1165 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 16:14:39 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: You may also check out the arguments in this thread at anthrogenica. Fun stuff, this. David Reich lecture 9 February 2015 - Page 75 http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3807-David-Reich-lecture-9-February-2015/page75 http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3807-David-Reich-lecture-9-February-2015/page75 David Reich lecture 9 February 2015 - Page 75 http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3807-David-Reich-lecture-9-February-2015/page75 Here I am folks, back from the lecture. I was chastised for taking photos of PCAs and therefore cannot post them. The forthcoming paper: Massive migration ... View on www.anthrogenica.com http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3807-David-Reich-lecture-9-February-2015/page75 Preview by Yahoo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1166 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 16:56:30 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Richard, Yes, fun stuff & laughable but not really funny at this site. Name calling & childish insults, this isn’t a very classy group. Thanks for the link. It appears to me like everyone involved with this site has a definite o pinion & it’s all is open to interpretation. Debating the periods of history, was it the hunter gather period of history, Turkish farmers etc, etc? If I descend from a Turkish farmer that’s OK with me. :>) My belief is we all go back to our original ancestors Adam & Eve. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 4:15 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! You may also check out the arguments in this thread at anthrogenica. Fun stuff, this. David Reich lecture 9 February 2015 - Page 75 David Reich lecture 9 February 2015 - Page 75 Here I am folks, back from the lecture. I was chastised for taking photos of PCAs and therefore cannot post them. The forthcoming paper: Massive migration ... View on www.anthrogenica.com Preview by Yahoo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1167 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-13 17:18:28 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Misinformation central! Message: Despite the name calling, there is some science going on there. There will be some resolution sooner or later. The finer resolution will get us into a genealogical time frame at some point. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1168 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2015-02-14 10:39:34 Subject:ROBBINS, Ohio Message: Recently I came across the info below. Does anyone know the lineage for these ROBBINS ? Lee Melvin DECKER born 16 Dec 1892 in Licking Creek, Fulton County, PA, died 17 May 1957, son of Fernando DECKER & Nancy Hanks MELLOTT, married Bernice R ROBBINS. Bernice R ROBBINS born 22 Aug 1894 in Bloomdale, Hancock County, OH, died 12 Apr 1998, daughter of Daniel ROBBINS & Maggie WHITELOCK. Children of Lee Melvin DECKER and Bernice R ROBBINS: Marion, Lester, Dorothy and Clyde. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1169 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-02-14 11:00:33 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS, Ohio Message: Hi Marshall, This Robbins line isn't related to the Daniel Robinson/Robins family. The line of Daniel Robbins father of Bernice Robbins Decker b. 1894 goes back to Richard Robbins b. abt. 1610 in Worcestershire, England. He settled in Cambridge, MA & died there in 1673. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 10:40 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS, Ohio Recently I came across the info below. Does anyone know the lineage for these ROBBINS ? Lee Melvin DECKER born 16 Dec 1892 in Licking Creek, Fulton County, PA, died 17 May 1957, son of Fernando DECKER & Nancy Hanks MELLOTT, married Bernice R ROBBINS. Bernice R ROBBINS born 22 Aug 1894 in Bloomdale, Hancock County, OH, died 12 Apr 1998, daughter of Daniel ROBBINS & Maggie WHITELOCK. Children of Lee Melvin DECKER and Bernice R ROBBINS: Marion, Lester, Dorothy and Clyde. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1170 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2015-02-15 08:36:45 Subject:Re: ROBBINS, Ohio Message: Thanks Sara. > Hi Marshall, > > This Robbins line isn't related to the Daniel Robinson/Robins family. The > line of Daniel Robbins father of Bernice Robbins Decker b. 1894 goes back > to Richard Robbins b. abt. 1610 in Worcestershire, England. He settled in > Cambridge, MA & died there in 1673. > > > Sara > > Recently I came across the info below. Does anyone know the lineage for > > these ROBBINS ? > > > > Lee Melvin DECKER born 16 Dec 1892 in Licking Creek, Fulton County, PA, > > died 17 May 1957, son of Fernando DECKER & Nancy Hanks MELLOTT, married > > Bernice R ROBBINS. > > > > Bernice R ROBBINS born 22 Aug 1894 in Bloomdale, Hancock County, OH, > > died 12 Apr 1998, daughter of Daniel ROBBINS & Maggie WHITELOCK. > > > > Children of Lee Melvin DECKER and Bernice R ROBBINS: Marion, Lester, > > Dorothy and Clyde. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1171 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-16 17:06:13 Subject:Robbins/Robins DNA site upgrade. Message: Got a message from FTDNA that our DNA project had the conversion to the MyGroups feature available today. As all groups will be converted by April 15th, I felt that fine tuning the project early was to our advantage, so I converted the project today. If you have a FTDNA login, you can join the project and discussion board at Robbins/Robins DNA - Activity Feed | Family Tree DNA https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/robins Robbins/Robins DNA - Activity Feed | Family Tree DNA https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/robins X Already Tested? If you have already tested and want to join our project, please enter your kit number or username and p assword below. Sign In {{ signInErrorMessage }} View on www.familytreedna.com https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/robins Preview by Yahoo Discussion is limited to project members, as that prevents spammers from posting. Pictures can be uploaded to the site, and all the old files we had at the old version of the site can be found under "about" in the left hand side of the page. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1172 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-02-16 17:55:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA site upgrade. Message: Very cool! Thanks for the update Rick. I'm just beginning to dig into the Y-DNA charts. On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:06 PM, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Got a message from FTDNA that our DNA project had the conversion to the > MyGroups feature available today. As all groups will be converted by April > 15th, I felt that fine tuning the project early was to our advantage, so I > converted the project today. > > If you have a FTDNA login, you can join the project and discussion board > at > > > Robbins/Robins DNA - Activity Feed | Family Tree DNA > > Robbins/Robins DNA - Activity Feed | Family Tree DNA > > X Already Tested? If you have already tested and want to join our project, > please enter your kit number or username and password below. Sign In {{ > signInErrorMessage }} > View on www.familytreedna.com > > Preview by Yahoo > > > > Discussion is limited to project members, as that prevents spammers from > posting. Pictures can be uploaded to the site, and all the old files we had > at the old version of the site can be found under "about" in the left hand > side of the page. > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1173 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-16 18:00:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA site upgrade. Message: Testing is the best way to dig in, Tod... LOL I am going to be offering coupons for discounts on tests to members, look out for that soon. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1174 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-02-16 18:06:49 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA site upgrade. Message: Sounds good! Which tests are available through Family Tree DNA? On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:00 PM, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Testing is the best way to dig in, Tod... LOL > > I am going to be offering coupons for discounts on tests to members, look > out for that soon. > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1175 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-16 19:49:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA site upgrade. Message: They have a 12 marker DNA test that is at 59 dollars. If you join the project, I THINK that price is available. I would suggest at least 37 markers though. Join the project and see whether they give you the group discou nt. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1176 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-02-16 20:49:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA site upgrade. Message: Join here. https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Robbins https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1177 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-04-18 06:04:20 Subject:Robbins group 1 testing Message: I have been notified by the admins of the R1b M269 P-312- U-106- project that my Big Y test has produced some results, and suggested SNP to test for within the Robbins 1 group for SNP identification. Here is the message I got. Rick, you can go ahead and ask that large Robbins 1 - Descendants of Daniel Robins, c1627-c1714 of Scotland and New Jersey, L-23 R1b1a2a subgroup to start testing CTS3987 and M64. Preferably both at first and then just M64 if it works as planned. The next goal is to get these SNPs formally listed on the ISOGG R-tree so researchers test for these SNPs in the future. R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2109>CTS3937>M64.3 The bottom line is what I am classified on the tree as. Of the SNP's listed above, only CTS3937 seems to be available at FTDNA as a testable SNP. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1178 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-18 13:00:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins group 1 testing Message: what does this mean to me and Kathleen and how costly is this test thanks shirley From: mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins group 1 testing I have been notified by the admins of the R1b M269 P-312- U-106- project that my Big Y test has produced some results, and suggested SNP to test for within the Robbins 1 group for SNP identification. Here is the message I got. Rick, you can go ahead and ask that large Robbins 1 - Descendants of Daniel Robins, c1627-c1714 of Scotland and New Jersey, L-23 R1b1a2a subgroup to start testing CTS3987 and M64. Preferably both at first and then just M64 if it works as planned. The next goal is to get these SNPs formally listed on the ISOGG R-tree so researchers test for these SNPs in the future. R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2109>CTS3937>M64.3 The bottom line is what I am classified on the tree as. Of the SNP's listed above, only CTS3937 seems to be available at FTDNA as a testable SNP. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1179 Sender:=?UTF-8?B?UmljaGFyZCBSb2JiaW5z?= Post Date/Time:2015-04-19 06:18:08 Subject:Re: Robbins group 1 testing Message: Unless you and Kathleen are in group One in the Robbins page, it is not applicable to you. I would wish that there were additional members that will test SNPs as tbey become available. I hear that FTDNA is assembling kits for sale of individual SNPs for haplogroups. -- Sent from myMail app for Android ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1180 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-26 06:55:15 Subject:robbins Message: can some one help me please I have papers and death records on this person and I do not know where to put him I think he is my line because he comes from Morgan co Ky his name is James Robbins I know of no middle name he married Amanda Brown from Greenup Ky in 1/16/1888 in 1900 census he lived in Ironton ohio and his children were Ellis, Lydia,ida,Eviline,Evea. Renria, and william Bradly lived with them I need to find out who James parents are Amanda parents are J Brown don’t know mother but lived in Greenup Ky James est birth date is Aug 1870 any help would be appreciated thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1181 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-04-27 06:46:39 Subject:Re: robbins Message: His parents seem to be Daniel A Robbins junior, And Anna Day. This is from a tree on Ancestry. You can check out the sources there, if you want. It seems to lead back to Joseph Robins, in NJ in this tree. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1182 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-04-27 07:53:25 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Message: I’ve never seen any documentation that Daniel A. Robbins, Jr. was a Daniel Robinson/Robins descendant. Is there some proof? Reliable paper trail/source or DNA? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 6:47 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins His parents seem to be Daniel A Robbins junior, And Anna Day. This is from a tree on Ancestry. You can check out the sources there, if you want. It seems to lead back to Joseph Robins, in NJ in this tree. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1183 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-27 08:12:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Message: what person are you talking about that Daniel and Anna Day Robbins are the parents I have most of the death records from Daniel children if you look at the census in carter co ky it shows that Daniel Sr and Daniel live next door to one another I think 1810 Carter co ky census and they moved to Morgan co Ky in 1830 there are land grants I have not got yet thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1184 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-04-28 07:06:20 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Message: I DID say it was an Ancestry tree, didn't I? No documentation at all. Just what I had found. Besides, her brother's DNA says otherwise. The tree in Ancestry suggests that he is a descendant of Joseph Robins of New Jersey, Monmouth. But, I suppose that suggesting something I found is a no-no, huh? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1185 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-04-28 08:21:45 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Message: Richard, I was commenting on what information I have & asking reasonable questions. I was in no way suggesting what you found on Ancestry wasn’t worth a discussion or the information you posted wasn’t significant. Serious resear chers in every field of study ask each other questions, share information & attempt to reach a plausible conclusion if possible. That’s what I was trying to do. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:06 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins I DID say it was an Ancestry tree, didn't I? No documentation at all. Just what I had found. Besides, her brother's DNA says otherwise. The tree in Ancestry suggests that he is a descendant of Joseph Robins of New Jersey, Monmouth. Bu. I wasn’t critit, I suppose that suggesting something I found is a no-no, huh ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1186 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-04-28 19:39:23 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Message: Just was giving what I found. I dug a little deeper. NAME: James Robbins BIRTH: abt 1868 - Kentucky RESIDENCE: 1870 - Ashland, Boyd, Kentucky,United States RESIDENCE: Ashland, Boyd, Kentucky This guy is the only James in that time frame. His father was William Robbins, born in Ohio, around 1845. Mother was Rachael. Now, considering Ashland is real close to Greenup, it isn't much of a stretch to think this isn't the same guy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1187 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-04-28 20:53:27 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Message: Richard, Are you proposing that the father of James Robbins 1868 was William Robbins born in 1845 in Ohio & not Daniel A. Robbins Jr? May I ask how you link James now as the son of William Robbins & not Daniel A. Robbins Jr. as in your previous post? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:39 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Just was giving what I found. I dug a little deeper. NAME: James Robbins BIRTH: abt 1868 - Kentucky RESIDENCE: 1870 - Ashland, Boyd, Kentucky,United States RESIDENCE: Ashland, Boyd, Kentucky This guy is the only James in that time frame. His father was William Robbins, born in Ohio, around 1845. Mother was Rachael. Now, considering Ashland is real close to Greenup, it isn't much of a stretch to think this isn't the same guy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1188 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-29 04:16:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Message: HI richard I think you are working on the same one I am I had 2 James I have been working on for a month one from MI and one from Boyd I think when I get back from the doc office I will check that file on James because Boyd co is just across the river from me and so is Greenup ky take care shirley does this James have a middle name or do you have a wife for him I have one wife named Amanda Brown and one Emma Rogers I have several James missing I cannot find I did just find one in MI and My G Grand father name is Daniel A Robbins I think the middle name is Auther or spelled wrong ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1189 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-04-29 04:38:24 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Message: Yes, I would suggest this James, 2 in 1870, is the one that was in Greenup 20 years later. It does fit the time frame, and close in age. No real proof, but this is a record, not a tree. James in 1880 was also still in t he area. I would have to check,when I have time, whether this James remained in the area or disappeared in later years.That could suggest a move to Greenup. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Richard, Are you proposing that the father of James Robbins 1868 was William Robbins born in 1845 in Ohio & not Daniel A. Robbins Jr? May I ask how you link James now as the son of William Robbins & not Daniel A. Robbins Jr. a s in your previous post? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:39 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Just was giving what I found. I dug a little deeper. NAME: James Robbins BIRTH: abt 1868 - Kentucky RESIDENCE: 1870 - Ashland, Boyd, Kentucky,United States RESIDENCE: Ashland, Boyd, Kentucky This guy is the only James in that time frame. His father was William Robbins, born in Ohio, around 1845. Mother was Rachael. Now, considering Ashland is real close to Greenup, it isn't much of a stretch to think this isn't the same guy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1190 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-04-29 07:10:12 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Message: Richard, I agree, this James Robbins 1868 does make more sense as the son of William Robbins 1845 & not the James Robbins who was the supposedly the son of Daniel A. Robbins. The census record is some evidence for James son of William. Are the parents of William 1845 known? Will be interested in any follow up. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Yes, I would suggest this James, 2 in 1870, is the one that was in Greenup 20 years later. It does fit the time frame, and close in age. No real proof, but this is a record, not a tree. James in 1880 was also still in t he area. I would have to check,when I have time, whether this James remained in the area or disappeared in later years.That could suggest a move to Greenup. ---In robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Richard, Are you proposing that the father of James Robbins 1868 was William Robbins born in 1845 in Ohio & not Daniel A. Robbins Jr? May I ask how you link James now as the son of William Robbins & not Daniel A. Robbins Jr. as in your previous post? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:39 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Just was giving what I found. I dug a little deeper. NAME: James Robbins BIRTH: abt 1868 - Kentucky RESIDENCE: 1870 - Ashland, Boyd, Kentucky,United States RESIDENCE: Ashland, Boyd, Kentucky This guy is the only James in that time frame. His father was William Robbins, born in Ohio, around 1845. Mother was Rachael. Now, considering Ashland is real close to Greenup, it isn't much of a stretch to think this isn't the same guy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1191 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-29 08:26:53 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Message: Richard if you need any records for James greenup is right across the bridge from where I live and so is Boyd if you need any records richard are you talking about the birth date of 1870 because I have a James born in 1870 lived in Lawrence co Ohio up the river from me in 1900 census with his wife Amanda Brown he is the only James I have that I cannot get him connected any where I cannot find James death record any where but his wife is buried at Woodland cem in Ironton Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1192 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-29 09:09:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: robbins Message: I have a article about Daniel A Robbins would you like a copy sent to you and it has a picture of him shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1193 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 08:36:08 Subject:Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Shirley, James T. Robbins b. 1868-1907 is buried at Ashland Cemetery, Ashland, Boyd Co. KY. Also buried in this cemetery is William J. Robbins 1845-1933 & Rachel A. Robbins 1843-1891. I believe you said you live in the area. Ha ve you seen these graves? Hope I'm not giving you information you already have as I realize you aren't new to Robbins family history. Thought you would like to know there is another James Robbins b.1870 in Boyd Co., Ky. & died 8-8-1933 in Catlettsburg, KY. & is buried in the Catlettsburg Cemetery. His parents were John B. Robbins born in New York & Nancy Bowman born in KY. The source for the information on this second James & his parents is from his State of Kentucky death certificate. William J. Robbins buried at Ashland Cemetery was born 2-10-1845 in Lawrence Co., OH & died 11-29-1933 in Tampa, Hillsborough, FL.His death record can be found in the Florida Death Index & I will post a copy to the gro up file for you & other interested members. Possibly these bits of information will be of help to you if you decide to follow up with searching records that are most likely available in your area. Ashland, Greenup, Catlettsburg are places not that far away from each other with Lawrence Co., OH across the river. Thank you for making your inquiry on James because as you know every piece of information we discover is important for the Robbins paper trails. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1194 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 08:37:52 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /William Robbins 1845-1933 death record buried Ashland, KY.jpg Uploaded by : turkeypt2 Description : Florida Death Index Record for Wm J. Robbins 1845-1933 You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/files/William%20Robbins%201845-1933%20death%20record%20buried%20Ashland%2C%20KY.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, turkeypt2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1195 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 09:21:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: thanks Sara I did not know about the one buried in Ashland but you know there is a James Robbins buried in Woodland cem in lawrence co ohio I didn’t know if you knew that or not but I cannot find his death record he was born 1888 died in 2/10/1936 and I think his wife was Amanda Brown there are just to many James Robbins I found one in MI also so they move on to different states lord help us and the only way I know who they are if you can find the death record and that is not always right either I have about 3 James I am trying to find I did find the one in MI thanks Sara for your help but if you ever need any thing from Greenup or boyd or ohio let me know I can get it for you and Richard take care do you live her close thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1196 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 09:31:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Sara can some one help me I cannot get into the Robbinsfamilysociety I guess I forgot my password and it won’t send me a new one I have been trying since last year on this thanks can some one reset it for me thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1197 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 09:47:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Sara can you help me find a death record for James Robbins dob 5/1888 KY parents were Rhoda Robbins and then I have that one that is buried in woodland cem in Lawrence co died 2/10/1936 I cannot find his death record to see if he is one I am looking for thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1198 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 09:49:13 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Shirley, Tod Robbins should be able to advise you. I’m just a member at the site now & not involved with any technical aspects of the Robbins Family Society. If you want the FL Death Index I posted I can send it directly to your home address. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Sara can some one help me I cannot get into the Robbinsfamilysociety I guess I forgot my password and it won’t send me a new one I have been trying since last year on this thanks can some one reset it for me thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1199 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 09:55:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: great can you do that please thank you how do I get in touch with Ted thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1200 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 10:00:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Shirley, I'll shoot you an email so we can get your login working again. Cheers! –Tod On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:55 AM, ladyfan3@frontier.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > great can you do that please thank you how do I get in touch with Ted > thanks > shirley > > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1201 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 10:13:46 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Shirley, Is this the James Robbins b. May 1888 in Greenup, KY whose mother was a Greenslate or married as her second husband a Greenslate? The James Robbins who died 2-10-1936 in Lawrence Co., KY, do you have his birth date? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:47 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Sara can you help me find a death record for James Robbins dob 5/1888 KY parents were Rhoda Robbins and then I have that one that is buried in woodland cem in Lawrence co died 2/10/1936 I cannot find his death record to see if he is one I am looking for thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1202 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 10:21:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: yes he is the son of Rhoda Greenslate and his is May 1888 but the other one that is buried at woodland I don’t have a birth date on him there is nothing on his index card they told me not even the funeral home on the card ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1203 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 10:22:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: thanks Ted shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1204 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 10:26:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Sara also Daniel A Robbins had a son the name of James D Robbins and he was born 1835 Ky married Lucinda O’Neal I cannot find his death record either I can find census records but no death record for him there was a James Robbins who was killed in a Indian war here some where I heard thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1205 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 10:39:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: and I gave you the wrong birth year for Daniel son James it was 1855-1856 thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1206 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 11:04:27 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Shirley, Is there a record for the marriage of Rhoda to a Robbins? I haven’t looked for one. Could it be James 1888 was born out of wedlock to Rhoda Robbins b. 3 –4 -1859,d. 5-1-1940 daughter of Joshua & Mary Brown Robbins? Rhod a married Reason Greenslate in or about 1900, two years after the birth of James. He may have taken or used his step-father’s name Greenslate. Rhoda Robbins Greenslate is buried at Mt Olive Cemetery in Greenup,KY. This is just a theory about James Robbins but if correct it may be difficult to locate a birth record or death record however, not impossible. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:22 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY yes he is the son of Rhoda Greenslate and his is May 1888 but the other one that is buried at woodland I don’t have a birth date on him there is nothing on his index card they told me not even the funeral home on the card ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1207 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 11:37:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: you are right Rhoda was not married when she had the Robbins sons and she was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and Mary Brown so you think he may have died under the name Greenslate I don’t know I don’t even know who he married, one James married a Amanda Brown and one James married a Rozanna brown in greenup ky thanks shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1208 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 11:51:40 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Shirley, There is a death record for Samuel Henry Robbins born 5-17-1890 in Greenup & died 3-12-1931 in Greenup, KY. He is the brother of James Robbins born in 1888. It gives the name of his father as James Robbins & mother Rhod a Robbins. My theory can’t be correct for James being born out of wedlock. Apparently Rhoda was married to a James Robbins & by 1900 Rhoda was married to Reason Greenslate. We can conclude her husband James Robbins died between 1890 & 1900 or they were divorced. Thank you for your offer to look up records in your area. I don’t have any record in mind right now. I’m mainly interested in where these Robbins were before they migrated to Ohio & Ky. I will be following up on the Joh n B. Robbins born in New York that migrated to Catlettsburg, KY. I suspect not all these Robbins are descendants of Daniel & Hope. You are right, there are so many men in KY with the name James Robbins. I appreciate your work on sorting out the James Robbins in your area of Boyd Co. KY & Lawrence Co., OH. I worked on the line of another James Robbi ns of Bell Co., KY a few years ago. The Y-DNA shows they are not descendants of Daniel & Hope. It was disappointing for the male who tested but better to know the facts. As we know this is why DNA testing is so importan t. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@...m] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Shirley, Is there a record for the marriage of Rhoda to a Robbins? I haven’t looked for one. Could it be James 1888 was born out of wedlock to Rhoda Robbins b. 3 –4 -1859,d. 5-1-1940 daughter of Joshua & Mary Brown Robbins? Rhod a married Reason Greenslate in or about 1900, two years after the birth of James. He may have taken or used his step-father’s name Greenslate. Rhoda Robbins Greenslate is buried at Mt Olive Cemetery in Greenup,KY. This is just a theory about James Robbins but if correct it may be difficult to locate a birth record or death record however, not impossible. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:22 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY yes he is the son of Rhoda Greenslate and his is May 1888 but the other one that is buried at woodland I don’t have a birth date on him there is nothing on his index card they told me not even the funeral home on the card ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1209 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 12:10:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: thank you Sara yes these Robbins will drive us to the crazy house LOL you know there is Rockcastle,,Indiana, VA and also Ohio a lot of Robbins Kevin that wrote the books on the Robbins he is in Indiana now he is searching the ky and Indiana Robbins I also have several Robbins in MI thanks again shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1210 Sender:marys616 Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 12:31:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Sara, I am a descendant of a James Gray(or Grey)Robbins from Ky via North Carolina. He is buried in Lincoln Co. Ky. His father was Lemuel Robbins. My father is a James Robbins (born 1925) from Bell Co, Ky. With the hel p of John German, we had my father's DNA tested and it showed he was of the Daniel and Hope lineage. This was contrary to what the family believed. We always believed the story of 3 Robbins brothers coming from Wales. Thanks, Mary Robbins Starkey > On Apr 30, 2015, at 2:51 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Shirley, > > There is a death record for Samuel Henry Robbins born 5-17-1890 in Greenup & died 3-12-1931 in Greenup, KY. He is the brother of James Robbins born in 1888. It gives the name of his father as James Robbins & mother Rh oda Robbins. My theory can’t be correct for James being born out of wedlock. Apparently Rhoda was married to a James Robbins & by 1900 Rhoda was married to Reason Greenslate. We can conclude her husband James Robbins di ed between 1890 & 1900 or they were divorced. > > Thank you for your offer to look up records in your area. I don’t have any record in mind right now. I’m mainly interested in where these Robbins were before they migrated to Ohio & Ky. I will be following up on the J ohn B. Robbins born in New York that migrated to Catlettsburg, KY. I suspect not all these Robbins are descendants of Daniel & Hope. > > You are right, there are so many men in KY with the name James Robbins. I appreciate your work on sorting out the James Robbins in your area of Boyd Co. KY & Lawrence Co., OH. I worked on the line of another James Rob bins of Bell Co., KY a few years ago. The Y-DNA shows they are not descendants of Daniel & Hope. It was disappointing for the male who tested but better to know the facts. As we know this is why DNA testing is so import ant. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:04 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY > > > > > > Shirley, > > Is there a record for the marriage of Rhoda to a Robbins? I haven’t looked for one. Could it be James 1888 was born out of wedlock to Rhoda Robbins b. 3 –4 -1859,d. 5-1-1940 daughter of Joshua & Mary Brown Robbins? Rh oda married Reason Greenslate in or about 1900, two years after the birth of James. He may have taken or used his step-father’s name Greenslate. Rhoda Robbins Greenslate is buried at Mt Olive Cemetery in Greenup,KY. Thi s is just a theory about James Robbins but if correct it may be difficult to locate a birth record or death record however, not impossible. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:22 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY > > > > > > yes he is the son of Rhoda Greenslate and his is May 1888 but the other one that is buried at woodland I don’t have a birth date on him there is nothing on his index card they told me > > not even the funeral home on the card > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1211 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 13:23:58 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Shirley, You couldn’t said it better. It can drive us all to the crazy house but maybe we are already crazy to do this stuff. LOL. Great to hear Kevin is doing research. He’s a very well educated & respected person in the genea logy field. The more people who are willing to actually look into things really helps a lot. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY thank you Sara yes these Robbins will drive us to the crazy house LOL you know there is Rockcastle,,Indiana, VA and also Ohio a lot of Robbins Kevin that wrote the books on the Robbins he is in Indiana now he is searching the ky and Indiana Robbins I also have several Robbins in MI thanks again shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1212 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-04-30 13:52:29 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Mary, Good to hear from you & thanks for sharing your line from Lemuel Robbins father of James G. Robbins NC to KY. Have you been able to find what branch of the Daniel Robinson/Robins your Lemuel Robbins belongs to on the fa mily tree? John’s death was certainly a huge loss not only to his family & friends but to the work he did on the Robins family DNA especially with the southwestern USA families. I’m so pleased he lived long enough to s ee proof that the Wales story was a myth. He fought his illness as long as he could & did research right up to the final days of his life. I really miss my old research friends who have passed on like John, John Taylor & Wilma Meaden. They all went too soon. Glad you & Shirley D. & a few others are still around who remember these researchers too. The James Robbins in KY I mentioned whose DNA didn’t match was thought to belong to the line of Aaron Robins. It’s still a mystery as to where they fit in. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:32 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Sara, I am a descendant of a James Gray(or Grey)Robbins from Ky via North Carolina. He is buried in Lincoln Co. Ky. His father was Lemuel Robbins. My father is a James Robbins (born 1925) from Bell Co, Ky. With the hel p of John German, we had my father's DNA tested and it showed he was of the Daniel and Hope lineage. This was contrary to what the family believed. We always believed the story of 3 Robbins brothers coming from Wales. Thanks, Mary Robbins Starkey On Apr 30, 2015, at 2:51 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Shirley, There is a death record for Samuel Henry Robbins born 5-17-1890 in Greenup & died 3-12-1931 in Greenup, KY. He is the brother of James Robbins born in 1888. It gives the name of his father as James Robbins & mother Rhod a Robbins. My theory can’t be correct for James being born out of wedlock. Apparently Rhoda was married to a James Robbins & by 1900 Rhoda was married to Reason Greenslate. We can conclude her husband James Robbins died between 1890 & 1900 or they were divorced. Thank you for your offer to look up records in your area. I don’t have any record in mind right now. I’m mainly interested in where these Robbins were before they migrated to Ohio & Ky. I will be following up on the Joh n B. Robbins born in New York that migrated to Catlettsburg, KY. I suspect not all these Robbins are descendants of Daniel & Hope. You are right, there are so many men in KY with the name James Robbins. I appreciate your work on sorting out the James Robbins in your area of Boyd Co. KY & Lawrence Co., OH. I worked on the line of another James Robbi ns of Bell Co., KY a few years ago. The Y-DNA shows they are not descendants of Daniel & Hope. It was disappointing for the male who tested but better to know the facts. As we know this is why DNA testing is so importan t. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Shirley, Is there a record for the marriage of Rhoda to a Robbins? I haven’t looked for one. Could it be James 1888 was born out of wedlock to Rhoda Robbins b. 3 –4 -1859,d. 5-1-1940 daughter of Joshua & Mary Brown Robbins? Rhod a married Reason Greenslate in or about 1900, two years after the birth of James. He may have taken or used his step-father’s name Greenslate. Rhoda Robbins Greenslate is buried at Mt Olive Cemetery in Greenup,KY. This is just a theory about James Robbins but if correct it may be difficult to locate a birth record or death record however, not impossible. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:22 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY yes he is the son of Rhoda Greenslate and his is May 1888 but the other one that is buried at woodland I don’t have a birth date on him there is nothing on his index card they told me not even the funeral home on the card ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1213 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2015-05-01 10:34:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: Hi, My Edward Robbins had a brother James also but they lived in Dodge co. Wi. Where the records burnt. Census records say they were born in NY. and Penn. Edward in 1836-1876, buried in Waupun, Wi. Edward married Ve stalina Gee. This probably doesn't help you Shirley but I wish you good luck. Shirley Robbins Hawley Sent from my iPad > On Apr 30, 2015, at 10:36 AM, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Shirley, > > James T. Robbins b. 1868-1907 is buried at Ashland Cemetery, Ashland, Boyd Co. KY. Also buried in this cemetery is William J. Robbins 1845-1933 & Rachel A. Robbins 1843-1891. I believe you said you live in the area. H ave you seen these graves? Hope I'm not giving you information you already have as I realize you aren't new to Robbins family history. > > > > Thought you would like to know there is another James Robbins b.1870 in Boyd Co., Ky. & died 8-8-1933 in Catlettsburg, KY. & is buried in the Catlettsburg Cemetery. His parents were John B. Robbins born in New York & Nancy Bowman born in KY. The source for the information on this second James & his parents is from his State of Kentucky death certificate. > > > > William J. Robbins buried at Ashland Cemetery was born 2-10-1845 in Lawrence Co., OH & died 11-29-1933 in Tampa, Hillsborough, FL.His death record can be found in the Florida Death Index & I will post a copy to the gr oup file for you & other interested members. > > > > Possibly these bits of information will be of help to you if you decide to follow up with searching records that are most likely available in your area. Ashland, Greenup, Catlettsburg are places not that far away from each other with Lawrence Co., OH across the river. > > Thank you for making your inquiry on James because as you know every piece of information we discover is important for the Robbins paper trails. > > > > Sara > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1214 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-05-01 10:49:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: thank you Shirley these James is driving me nuts there are so many of them in the Robbins family nice to hear from you shirley ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1215 Sender:marys616 Post Date/Time:2015-05-01 17:09:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY Message: We can trace James Robbins and Lemuel Robbins back to Richard Robbins of NC. That's where the dead end is that John German worked so hard to trace back to Daniel and Hope but could not. Thanks, Mary > On Apr 30, 2015, at 4:52 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Mary, > > Good to hear from you & thanks for sharing your line from Lemuel Robbins father of James G. Robbins NC to KY. Have you been able to find what branch of the Daniel Robinson/Robins your Lemuel Robbins belongs to on the family tree? John’s death was certainly a huge loss not only to his family & friends but to the work he did on the Robins family DNA especially with the southwestern USA families. I’m so pleased he lived long enough to see proof that the Wales story was a myth. He fought his illness as long as he could & did research right up to the final days of his life. I really miss my old research friends who have passed on like John, John Taylo r & Wilma Meaden. They all went too soon. Glad you & Shirley D. & a few others are still around who remember these researchers too. > > The James Robbins in KY I mentioned whose DNA didn’t match was thought to belong to the line of Aaron Robins. It’s still a mystery as to where they fit in. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:32 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY > > > > > > Sara, I am a descendant of a James Gray(or Grey)Robbins from Ky via North Carolina. He is buried in Lincoln Co. Ky. His father was Lemuel Robbins. My father is a James Robbins (born 1925) from Bell Co, Ky. With the h elp of John German, we had my father's DNA tested and it showed he was of the Daniel and Hope lineage. This was contrary to what the family believed. We always believed the story of 3 Robbins brothers coming from Wales. > > Thanks, > > Mary Robbins Starkey > > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2015, at 2:51 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Shirley, > > There is a death record for Samuel Henry Robbins born 5-17-1890 in Greenup & died 3-12-1931 in Greenup, KY. He is the brother of James Robbins born in 1888. It gives the name of his father as James Robbins & mother Rh oda Robbins. My theory can’t be correct for James being born out of wedlock. Apparently Rhoda was married to a James Robbins & by 1900 Rhoda was married to Reason Greenslate. We can conclude her husband James Robbins di ed between 1890 & 1900 or they were divorced. > > Thank you for your offer to look up records in your area. I don’t have any record in mind right now. I’m mainly interested in where these Robbins were before they migrated to Ohio & Ky. I will be following up on the J ohn B. Robbins born in New York that migrated to Catlettsburg, KY. I suspect not all these Robbins are descendants of Daniel & Hope. > > You are right, there are so many men in KY with the name James Robbins. I appreciate your work on sorting out the James Robbins in your area of Boyd Co. KY & Lawrence Co., OH. I worked on the line of another James Rob bins of Bell Co., KY a few years ago. The Y-DNA shows they are not descendants of Daniel & Hope. It was disappointing for the male who tested but better to know the facts. As we know this is why DNA testing is so import ant. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:04 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY > > > > > > Shirley, > > Is there a record for the marriage of Rhoda to a Robbins? I haven’t looked for one. Could it be James 1888 was born out of wedlock to Rhoda Robbins b. 3 –4 -1859,d. 5-1-1940 daughter of Joshua & Mary Brown Robbins? Rh oda married Reason Greenslate in or about 1900, two years after the birth of James. He may have taken or used his step-father’s name Greenslate. Rhoda Robbins Greenslate is buried at Mt Olive Cemetery in Greenup,KY. Thi s is just a theory about James Robbins but if correct it may be difficult to locate a birth record or death record however, not impossible. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:22 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins in Boyd Co., KY > > > > > > yes he is the son of Rhoda Greenslate and his is May 1888 but the other one that is buried at woodland I don’t have a birth date on him there is nothing on his index card they told me > > not even the funeral home on the card > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1216 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-05 18:34:26 Subject:Robins in Gainsborough, Daniel, Abigail, Stephen and unknown. Message: Thanks to the researcher that had posted the original Sussex county deed lists, (sorry, forget the name), I was led to know the speculated sister and brother of my 4th Great Grandfather Stephen. Now, I have further proo f of the relationship. Handwritten in a grant document from 1800, was a sidescript from the original document. My 4th Great Grand Aunt, who probably was quite a handful, insisted on inserting this in the document normally reserved for all mal e mentions in conveyance of lands at that time, (in parentheses is my commentary) The claimant's wife (Abigail Robins Vaughan) has two brothers (Stephen and Daniel) and a sister (Unknown) in Gainsborough and who have been settled there for 5 years past. 1795 was the arrival date of Daniel and Stephen to Gainsborough, 5 years from the date. So, looking for a sister, still out there... Will post document clip later in photos. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1217 Sender:ktyc14@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-11 00:50:52 Subject:Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Have you found out anything about this Sincy Robbins? I am stuck. I am supposedly descended from Sincy - Joshua - John Dildaine - John Wesley - then my grandmother, Anna Laura Robbins Crellin. One would think that Si ncy would have to somehow make his way to this country for his son, Joshua to be born in New Jersey. I have seen a tree where it is claimed Joshua was born in Ireland. Any help would be appreciated. This is my first post to the group. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1218 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-06-11 07:33:12 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: If you are new to the group, welcome & thanks for your post. I did some research on the Sincy Robbins family about 10 years ago. From what I could determine they appear to me to be from the Daniel Robinson/ Robins 1627-1714 family of Scotland, CT & New Jersey, most likely from Da niel Robins, Jr’s line out of Hunterdon & Sussex counties, NJ. I was in contact then with a Mr. Robbins who had a very nice tree on Ancestry with photos of graves of his ancestors where they settled in PA. I don’t recal l his first name (maybe Jim) but he was a perfect candidate for YDNA testing. I asked him if he would take the test so we could determine if the Sincy Robbins group belonged to the Daniel Robins family. He wasn’t willi ng because he said he believed his paper trail was accurate from Sincy Robbins of Ireland. He referred to a Bible record & I asked for a copy but apparently there is none of the original & details were sketchy. Sincy R obbins of Ireland may be a family myth or story passed down similar to the Ian of Wales story from the southern Robbins family. Their Wales connection was found to be incorrect when the descendants did DNA. It’s my opin ion that DNA is also needed to answer your question regarding Sincy’s origin. If you aren’t a candidate for the DNA test then possibly there is a male in your family with the surname Robbins who would will be willing to test. At this point going down a paper trail with this family is probably a waste of your time. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:51 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Have you found out anything about this Sincy Robbins? I am stuck. I am supposedly descended from Sincy - Joshua - John Dildaine - John Wesley - then my grandmother, Anna Laura Robbins Crellin. One would think that Si ncy would have to somehow make his way to this country for his son, Joshua to be born in New Jersey. I have seen a tree where it is claimed Joshua was born in Ireland. Any help would be appreciated. This is my first post to the group. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1219 Sender:ktyc14@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-11 11:25:16 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Thank you kindly Sara and hope I will be a good group member. I would like to find that DNA candidate too. My grandma ( wonderful, comical, kind, Methodist, fun), attended University of Nebraska music program, born in 1890. Her legal name was Anna Laura but everyone called her Becca. Her father, John Wesley Robbins, was born in Pennsylvania, the whole family, parents and all seemed to move to Iowa about the same time. My grandmother was born Whiting, Iowa and then her family moved to a farm across the river to Lyons Nebraska, Burt County. In my deep memory banks I recall they moved their belongings across the river in wintertime so water was frozen. I could have dreamt this. There is a diary that her mother's dad kept that might have some of these things. Like I said, I am just starting out. My grandparents moved to Lakefield, MN in 1913 when my dad, Robert P was 2. My dad participated in 7 shore landings during WW2. My grandpa's name was Robert H Crellin who everyone knew as Harry. My Grandpa learned the harness business from his dad and bought a business in Lakefield, bringing belongings by train. They were very active in their Methodist church, grandma playing the organ for years and years and grandpa singing and counting money as treasurer. He was the "Dry" mayor of Lakefield for a few years. Since my brothers Surnames are Crellin, they wouldn't work, correct? Origin of Crellin is the Isle of Man where his dad was born. My grandma had 5 Robbins brothers so maybe we can find one of them in the next generation. My problem is that the Robbins we would see would be in my grandma's generation that is gone. Maybe we can find some in the next group who are interested in geneology. Just telling you that John Wesley Robbins was strikingly handsome in his pictures. I will send their family picture when I borrow it from my brother. Five brothers and 2 sisters. In some of my reading I discovered there was another Robbins family who settled for a while in Cottonwood county which is just north of Jackson County where we are from. I think this was much earlier than my family but interesting thing is that our family seemed to know about it even though these people were gone already when my family came. I think there could be some burials. Those times were not easy out here. I better close. This is my introduction so will not talk so much in the future. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1220 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-06-12 11:26:22 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: I'd address you by name but unable to since you didn't post it. You have presented a very interesting account of your Robbins family. Thank you so much for sharing it with the Robbins group. Loved your description of your Grandpa Crellin as the "Dry Mayor." You can't talk too much here, we need members like you who are willing to share their history. We all benefit from the knowledge that comes from every member of our various Robbins branches. Sometimes information we think may be insignificant is actually very important. I encourage you to post whatever you want on your family genealogy or history. Your are correct, the Crellin males aren't candidates for the Robbins DNA testing. It isn't always easy to locate eligible candidates especially when they have no interest in genealogy along with the cost of the test which is advertised for $99.00 at ancestry.com. Possibly you may locate someone in one of the younger generations who would be open to testing. I took another look at the transcribed typed Bible record of your ancestor Joshua Robbins 1777-1837 & his wife Jane Dildine from the Shook Genealogy database. I will post this copy in the group's file. I assume this isn't new information for you but possibly may be of interest to other members. Do you know who has the original Bible record? What year & by whom was the Bible published? Do you know who transcribed & typed the record found at Ancestry? Here's some of my thoughts & questions on Sincy Robbins. There isn't much information about him except the mention of him in the Joshua Robbins Bible record. I assume his birth & death date is an "about one" that appears on various trees? Where did he die? If Joshua was born in NJ where did Sincy live in NJ? I've never found a record of the name Sincy Robbins & don't know anyone else who has indicated they had found his name in any NJ county record either. Could Sincy be a nickname? His name doesn't appear to be passed along in following generations. Obviously he had a wife, is there no name recorded for her? I'd be very, very interested in a DNA test as I suspect Sincy Robbins belongs on the Daniel Robins of Scotland, CT & NJ family tree. BTW: the Mr. Robbins I contacted about doing a DNA test was Ken Robbins, Jr. He has a tree on ancestry. As you can see I don't mind talking or speaking up on a subject. It's one of the best qualities among many others of Robbins women. :>) So feel free to join in no matter if you are a man or a woman. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:25 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Thank you kindly Sara and hope I will be a good group member. I would like to find that DNA candidate too. My grandma ( wonderful, comical, kind, Methodist, fun), attended University of Nebraska music program, born in 1890. Her legal name was Anna Laura but everyone called her Becca. Her father, John Wesley Robbins, was born in Pennsylvania, the whole family, parents and all seemed to move to Iowa about the same time. My grandmother was born Whiting, Iowa and then her family moved to a farm across the river to Lyons Nebraska, Burt County. In my deep memory banks I recall they moved their belongings across the river in wintertime so water was frozen. I could have dreamt this. There is a diary that her mother's dad kept that might have some of these things. Like I said, I am just starting out. My grandparents moved to Lakefield, MN in 1913 when my dad, Robert P was 2. My dad participated in 7 shore landings during WW2. My grandpa's name was Robert H Crellin who everyone knew as Harry. My Grandpa learned the harness business from his dad and bought a business in Lakefield, bringing belongings by train. They were very active in their Methodist church, grandma playing the organ for years and years and grandpa singing and counting money as treasurer. He was the "Dry" mayor of Lakefield for a few years. Since my brothers Surnames are Crellin, they wouldn't work, correct? Origin of Crellin is the Isle of Man where his dad was born. My grandma had 5 Robbins brothers so maybe we can find one of them in the next generation. My problem is that the Robbins we would see would be in my grandma's generation that is gone. Maybe we can find some in the next group who are interested in geneology. Just telling you that John Wesley Robbins was strikingly handsome in his pictures. I will send their family picture when I borrow it from my brother. Five brothers and 2 sisters. In some of my reading I discovered there was another Robbins family who settled for a while in Cottonwood county which is just north of Jackson County where we are from. I think this was much earlier than my family but interesting thing is that our family seemed to know about it even though these people were gone already when my family came. I think there could be some burials. Those times were not easy out here. I better close. This is my introduction so will not talk so much in the future. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1221 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2015-06-12 11:44:43 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /Joshua Robbins 1777-1837 Family Bible Record.pdf Uploaded by : turkeypt2 Description : Bible Record You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/files/Joshua%20Robbins%201777-1837%20Family%20Bible%20Record.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, turkeypt2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1222 Sender:William Collins Post Date/Time:2015-06-12 11:50:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: For what it is worth, there is a tree on Roots Web RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Silvernale - Shook Genealogy | | | | | | | | | RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Silvernale - Shook GenealogyTitle: Faus Genealogical Data Summarized: 1780-1961, Pages: 143 p. Abbrev: Faus Genealogical Data Summarized: 1780-1961 Author: Faus, Sister Mary Euphrasia | | | | View on wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | This seems to pertain to the Sincy Robbins being discussed. The only sources given are as followsSources: - Title: Faus Genealogical Data Summarized: 1780-1961, Pages: 143 p. Abbrev: Faus Genealogical Data Summarized: 1780-1961 Author: Faus, Sister Mary Euphrasia Publication: Privately published, Wichita, Kansas, 1961 Page: Page 4 Bill CollinsSummerville, SCgenedigger@... From: "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:26 PM Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? I’d address you by name but unable to since you didn’t post it. You have presented a very interesting account of your Robbins family. Thank you so much for sharing it with the Robbins group. Loved your description o f your Grandpa Crellin as the “Dry Mayor.” You can’t talk too much here, we need members like you who are willing to share their history. We all benefit from the knowledge that comes from every member of our various Ro bbins branches. Sometimes information we think may be insignificant is actually very important. I encourage you to post whatever you want on your family genealogy or history.Your are correct, the Crellin males aren’t ca ndidates for the Robbins DNA testing. It isn’t always easy to locate eligible candidates especially when they have no interest in genealogy along with the cost of the test which is advertised for $99.00 at ancestry.com. Possibly you may locate someone in one of the younger generations who would be open to testing.I took another look at the transcribed typed Bible record of your ancestor Joshua Robbins 1777-1837 & his wife Jane Dildine from the Shook Genealogy database. I will post this copy in the group’s file. I assume this isn’t new information for you but possibly may be of interest to other members.Do you know who has the original Bible record? What year & by whom was the Bible published?Do you know who transcribed & typed the record found at Ancestry?Here’s some of my thoughts & questions on Sincy Robbins. There isn’t much information about him except the m ention of him in the Joshua Robbins Bible record. I assume his birth & death date is an “about one” that appears on various trees? Where did he die? If Joshua was born in NJ where did Sincy live in NJ? I’ve never found a record of the name Sincy Robbins & don’t know anyone else who has indicated they had found his name in any NJ county record either. Could Sincy be a nickname? His name doesn’t appear to be passed along in following ge nerations. Obviously he had a wife, is there no name recorded for her?I’d be very, very interested in a DNA test as I suspect Sincy Robbins belongs on the Daniel Robins of Scotland, CT & NJ family tree.BTW: the Mr. Robb ins I contacted about doing a DNA test was Ken Robbins, Jr. He has a tree on ancestry. As you can see I don’t mind talking or speaking up on a subject. It’s one of the best qualities among many others of Robbins women. :>) So feel free to join in no matter if you are a man or a woman. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mai lto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:25 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Thank you kindly Sara and hope I will be a good group member. I would like to find that DNA candidate too. My grandma ( wonderful, comical, kind, Methodist, fun), attended University of Nebraska music program, born in 1890. Her legal name was Anna Laura but everyone called her Becca. Her father, John Wesley Robbins, was born in Pennsylvania, the whole family, parents and all seemed to move to Iowa about the same time. My grandmother was born Whiting, Iowa and then her family moved to a farm across the river to Lyons Nebraska, Burt County. In my deep memory banks I recall they moved their belongings across the river in wintertime so water was frozen. I could have dreamt this. There is a diary that her mother's dad kept that might have some of these things. Like I said, I am just starting out. My grandparents moved to Lakefield, MN in 1913 when my dad, Robert P was 2. My dad participated in 7 shore landings during WW2. My grandpa's name was Robert H Crellin who everyone knew as Harry. My Grandpa learned the harness business from his dad and bought a business in Lakefield, bringing belongings by train. They were very active in their Methodist church, grandma playing the organ for years and years and grandpa singing and counting money as treasurer. He was the "Dry" mayor of Lakefield for a few years. Since my brothers Surnames are Crellin, they wouldn't work, correct? Origin of Crellin is the Isle of Man where his dad was born. My grandma had 5 Robbins brothers so maybe we can find one of them in the next generation. My problem is that the Robbins we would see would be in my grandma's generation that is gone. Maybe we can find some in the next group who are interested in geneology. Just telling you that John Wesley Robbins was strikingly handsome in his pictures. I will send their family picture when I borrow it from my brother. Five brothers and 2 sisters. In some of my reading I discovered there was another Robbins family who settled for a while in Cottonwood county which is just north of Jackson County where we are from. I think this was much earlier than my family but interesting thing is that our family seemed to know about it even though these people were gone already when my family came. I think there could be some burials. Those times were not easy out here. I better close. 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Message: Bill, Thanks for the information. Good to hear from you. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 11:51 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? For what it is worth, there is a tree on Roots Web RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Silvernale - Shook Genealogy RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Silvernale - Shook Genealogy Title: Faus Genealogical Data Summarized: 1780-1961, Pages: 143 p. Abbrev: Faus Genealogical Data Summarized: 1780-1961 Author: Faus, Sister Mary Euphrasia View on wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com Preview by Yahoo This seems to pertain to the Sincy Robbins being discussed. The only sources given are as follows Sources: 1. Title: Faus Genealogical Data Summarized: 1780-1961, Pages: 143 p. Abbrev: Faus Genealogical Data Summarized: 1780-1961 Author: Faus, Sister Mary Euphrasia Publication: Privately published, Wichita, Kansas, 1961 Page: Page 4 Bill Collins Summerville, SC genedigger@... _____ From: "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:26 PM Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? I’d address you by name but unable to since you didn’t post it. You have presented a very interesting account of your Robbins family. Thank you so much for sharing it with the Robbins group. Loved your description of your Grandpa Crellin as the “Dry Mayor.” You can’t talk too much here, we need members like you who are willing to share their history. We all benefit from the knowledge that comes from every member of our various Robbins branches. Sometimes information we think may be insignificant is actually very important. I encourage you to post whatever you want on your family genealogy or history. Your are correct, the Crellin males aren’t candidates for the Robbins DNA testing. It isn’t always easy to locate eligible candidates especially when they have no interest in genealogy along with the cost of the test wh ich is advertised for $99.00 at ancestry.com. Possibly you may locate someone in one of the younger generations who would be open to testing. I took another look at the transcribed typed Bible record of your ancestor Joshua Robbins 1777-1837 & his wife Jane Dildine from the Shook Genealogy database. I will post this copy in the group’s file. I assume this is n’t new information for you but possibly may be of interest to other members. Do you know who has the original Bible record? What year & by whom was the Bible published? Do you know who transcribed & typed the record found at Ancestry? Here’s some of my thoughts & questions on Sincy Robbins. There isn’t much information about him except the mention of him in the Joshua Robbins Bible record. I assume his birth & death date is an “about one” that appear s on various trees? Where did he die? If Joshua was born in NJ where did Sincy live in NJ? I’ve never found a record of the name Sincy Robbins & don’t know anyone else who has indicated they had found his name in any NJ county record either. Could Sincy be a nickname? His name doesn’t appear to be passed along in following generations. Obviously he had a wife, is there no name recorded for her? I’d be very, very interested in a DNA test as I suspect Sincy Robbins belongs on the Daniel Robins of Scotland, CT & NJ family tree. BTW: the Mr. Robbins I contacted about doing a DNA test was Ken Robbins, Jr. He has a tree on ancestry. As you can see I don’t mind talking or speaking up on a subject. It’s one of the best qualities among many others of Robbins women. :>) So feel free to join in no matter if you are a man or a woman. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:25 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Thank you kindly Sara and hope I will be a good group member. I would like to find that DNA candidate too. My grandma ( wonderful, comical, kind, Methodist, fun), attended University of Nebraska music program, born in 1890. Her legal name was Anna Laura but everyone called her Becca. Her father, John Wesley Robbins, was born in Pennsylvania, the whole family, parents and all seemed to move to Iowa about the same time. My grandmother was born Whiting, Iowa and then her family moved to a farm across the river to Lyons Nebraska, Burt County. In my deep memory banks I recall they moved their belongings across the river in wintertime so water was frozen. I could have dreamt this. There is a diary that her mother's dad kept that might have some of these things. Like I said, I am just starting out. My grandparents moved to Lakefield, MN in 1913 when my dad, Robert P was 2. My dad participated in 7 shore landings during WW2. My grandpa's name was Robert H Crellin who everyone knew as Harry. My Grandpa learned the harness business from his dad and bought a business in Lakefield, bringing belongings by train. They were very active in their Methodist church, grandma playing the organ for years and years and grandpa singing and counting money as treasurer. He was the "Dry" mayor of Lakefield for a few years. Since my brothers Surnames are Crellin, they wouldn't work, correct? Origin of Crellin is the Isle of Man where his dad was born. My grandma had 5 Robbins brothers so maybe we can find one of them in the next generation. My problem is that the Robbins we would see would be in my grandma's generation that is gone. Maybe we can find some in the next group who are interested in geneology. Just telling you that John Wesley Robbins was strikingly handsome in his pictures. I will send their family picture when I borrow it from my brother. Five brothers and 2 sisters. In some of my reading I discovered there was another Robbins family who settled for a while in Cottonwood county which is just north of Jackson County where we are from. I think this was much earlier than my family but interesting thing is that our family seemed to know about it even though these people were gone already when my family came. I think there could be some burials. Those times were not easy out here. I better close. This is my introduction so will not talk so much in the future. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1224 Sender:ktyc14@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-12 14:40:33 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: My name is Kathy Crellin. I live in Saint Paul Minnesota, just across the Mississippi River from downtown. I actually live in a national wildlife and recreation area. I love to do research so hopefully we enjoy our d iscoveries even though mine could be a bit redundant at first. I also love to tell stories. This is many times more interesting than Facebook. I am going to tackle those Cottonwood County Robbins as i think they were connected and if you already did it don't tell me! Plus yesterday I added my Grandma's brothers and sister and their kids and hope the next generation will pop up at me with not much investigation. I have been going back in time and not forward. I belong to My Heritage. Maybe I should have done Ancestry as you tell about the good trees on that one but maybe I can scavenge them out of My Heritage or maybe write them down and try A ncestry for 2 weeks. There is a book at the University of Wisconsin at Madison about the Robins family but maybe that is one people in the group say is online. I thought that would be a fun overnight trip. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1225 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2015-06-12 17:50:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Yes.....more energy!!!!! Everyone can help out with research..... dorman On Jun 12, 2015, at 2:40 PM, ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > My name is Kathy Crellin. I live in Saint Paul Minnesota, just across the Mississippi River from downtown. I actually live in a national wildlife and recreation area. I love to do research so hopefully we enjoy our discoveries even though mine could be a bit redundant at first. I also love to tell stories. This is many times more interesting than Facebook. I am going to tackle those Cottonwood County Robbins as i think they we re connected and if you already did it don't tell me! Plus yesterday I added my Grandma's brothers and sister and their kids and hope the next generation will pop up at me with not much investigation. I have been goin g back in time and not forward. I belong to My Heritage. Maybe I should have done Ancestry as you tell about the good trees on that one but maybe I can scavenge them out of My Heritage or maybe write them down and try Ancestry for 2 weeks. There is a book at the University of Wisconsin at Madison about the Robins family but maybe that is one people in the group say is online. I thought that would be a fun overnight trip. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1226 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-06-13 09:19:56 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Kathy, Now I can put a name with your post. Thanks. You must live in a beautiful place in a national wildlife recreation area. Sounds like a good place to live too. We would love to hear your stories & anything you discover on the Cottonwood Co., Minnesota Robbins. I respect your request not to tell you about this Robbins group, it’s not possible anyhow because I know nothing of them so please keep us informed on what you find. As for Ances try, it isn’t all that reliable because there are many trees that present incorrect information. It’s my opinion that Ancestry is over rated. Their advertisements on how to just click on a leaf & the person will immedia tely find their ancestors, living relatives & photos etc. is misleading in many cases. The key to good research is a reliable source, documents like wills, Bible records, deeds etc. There’s lots of information not onli ne. I still like to search State Archives, libraries, historical societies & any local LDS Family History Library where there’s a wealth of information. Family search.com is free & can be used too. The Robins book you mention at the University of Wisconsin sounds interesting. I’d enjoy learning more about it. I believe you may be the only Sincy Robbins descendant in this group. Your group of Robbins has been of interest to me for a long time. So pleased you have joined us. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:41 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? My name is Kathy Crellin. I live in Saint Paul Minnesota, just across the Mississippi River from downtown. I actually live in a national wildlife and recreation area. I love to do research so hopefully we enjoy our d iscoveries even though mine could be a bit redundant at first. I also love to tell stories. This is many times more interesting than Facebook. I am going to tackle those Cottonwood County Robbins as i think they were connected and if you already did it don't tell me! Plus yesterday I added my Grandma's brothers and sister and their kids and hope the next generation will pop up at me with not much investigation. I have been going back in time and not forward. I belong to My Heritage. Maybe I should have done Ancestry as you tell about the good trees on that one but maybe I can scavenge them out of My Heritage or maybe write them down and try A ncestry for 2 weeks. There is a book at the University of Wisconsin at Madison about the Robins family but maybe that is one people in the group say is online. I thought that would be a fun overnight trip. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1227 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-13 16:29:46 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Regarding the Sincy Robbins issue, I think that looking over the trees at Ancestry could be helpful, even without a subscription. I have seen reference of the son, Joshua Robins being born in Monmouth, but did not see any documentation for that. Saw a War of 1812 pension doc for Joshua and his wife Elizabeth. Did not see one solid document proving the existence of Sincy. I would agree that Joshua was probably related to our line of Robins, but proof seems t be fleeting. There IS A Robins in the DNA project from PA. I wonder if they are related. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1228 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-06-13 18:15:22 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Richard & group members, The Joshua Robbins who was b. 1787 in Monmouth Co., NJ & died there on 7-7-1860 was married to Elizabeth Maxon. This Joshua’s line back to Moses Robins son of Daniel Robins, Sr. is well documented. His War of 1812 pe nsion record was posted originally by me at ancestry. I noticed recently another person had downloaded it & resubmitted it, however they forgot to remove my initials SRH on the top in the title. It then re-appeared at a ncestry for Kathy’s ancestor Joshua Robbins 1777 NJ, d. 1837 PA. whose wife was Jane Dildine not Elizabeth Maxon. Apparently the submitter forgot to read the document or they would have noticed Joshua Robbins 1777-1837 wife’s name wasn’t Elizabeth. Also Joshua & Jane Dildane Robbins according to his Bible record didn’t have a son William H. Robbins who is named as the deponent on one of the pension documents. Ancestry can be a useful tool if used properly & carefully. To answer Richard’s question about the relationship of the Robins from PA in the Robbins DNA project to the Joshua Robbins descendant of Sincy Robbiins, I believe a DNA test is needed from the Sincy group to see if ther e is a match to the PA Robins already in the project. At this point in time, I don’t see any other way to solve the relationship question. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:30 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Regarding the Sincy Robbins issue, I think that looking over the trees at Ancestry could be helpful, even without a subscription. I have seen reference of the son, Joshua Robins being born in Monmouth, but did not see any documentation for that. Saw a War of 1812 pension doc for Joshua and his wife Elizabeth. Did not see one solid document proving the existence of Sincy. I would agree that Joshua was probably related to our line of Robins, but proof seems t be fleeting. There IS A Robins in the DNA project from PA. I wonder if they are related. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1229 Sender:ktyc14@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-14 07:59:03 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Thank you all who have responded. Where is the list of the Robins in the DNA project ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1230 Sender:ktyc14@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-14 08:23:11 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Thanks to all responding. My great grandfather was born circa 1855 according to 1910 census, in Pennsylvania. That would be John W. I connected him to John Dildaine as his father so will have to double check that. I got it from Family search. That would tend to link him up to Jane Dildine. You are right I should check Ancestry. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1231 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-15 05:13:31 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Family Tree DNA - Robbins DNA Project https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Robins?iframe=yresults Family Tree DNA - Robbins DNA Project https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Robins?iframe=yresults View on www.familytreedna.com https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Robins?iframe=yresults Preview by Yahoo is the link to the name list for people who have tested. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1232 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-17 19:49:16 Subject:Robbins Y-DNA ? Message: A descendant of William Robbins of Rutherford, NC b.abt. 1745 & d. 1816 had a Y-DNA test done by The National Geographic Genographic Project. From what I know they only tested 12 markers. When I went to the Robbins DNA project to compare the results with the.test results posted there for William Robbins of Rutherford, NC I noticed the the 12th marker DYS 389-2 for the Geographic Project test was 16 not 29. It's my understanding that t he range for DYS 389-2 is between 24-34 with this marker for the Daniel Robins descendants marker being 29. Can anyone explain to me why this one is 16 & all the others for the Daniel Robins descendants 29? The paper trail from this descendant now deceased to William Robbins appears to be credible. This is all 12 of his markers. 393 -- 12 390-- 24 19--- 14 391--10 385a--11 385b --14 426--12 388--12 439--12 389-1---13 392--13 389-2--16 Thanks for any help with answers, Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1233 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-18 05:18:42 Subject:Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? Message: I am not sure as to why that result was given in the Genographic project. As you had stated, that is completely out of the range of possibilities for that marker. I can only think that it is mis-entered in the database. We have 2 descendants of the same William in group one in our Project that have the correct value. How were you able to access the results? I don't find a way to view. I looked in the Y search and was unable to find him there. I DID find a skeleton in Strathclyde, Scotland that was one marker off on the Group one markers. I sent a message to see about that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1234 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2015-06-18 07:47:22 Subject:Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? Message: I administer the LAKE DNA Project on ftdna. However, I am by no means an expert in DNA genealogical research. In fact, I know very little about it. From what I *think* I do know, one marker does not include nor exclude a sample from a certain line/family. I've seen the value of one marker dicussed in this group several times in the past and it's always made me wonder what I was missing. From what I know, it's the preponderance of marker matches as a group which associates a sample with a family. Maybe someone can straighten me out. Also, from what I *think* I know, a 12-marker test is not enough markers to necessarily include a sample with a family (even if all 12 match), only exclude a sample from a family with enough mis-matches. > A descendant of William Robbins of Rutherford, NC b.abt. 1745 & d. 1816 > had a Y-DNA test done by The National Geographic Genographic Project. > From what I know they only tested 12 markers. When I went to the Robbins > DNA project to compare the results with the.test results posted there for > William Robbins of Rutherford, NC I noticed the the 12th marker DYS 389-2 > for the Geographic Project test was 16 not 29. It's my understanding that > the range for DYS 389-2 is between 24-34 with this marker for the Daniel > Robins descendants marker being 29. Can anyone explain to me why this one > is 16 & all the others for the Daniel Robins descendants 29? The paper > trail from this descendant now deceased to William Robbins appears to be > credible. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1235 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-06-18 09:44:36 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? Message: Hi Marshall, Your opinion & input on my DNA question carries a lot of weight with me. You were one of the first people to be involved with Y-DNA testing when it was made available for genealogists. I thought that more markers would be needed but I'm not an expert so value your knowledge on the Y DNA subject. Thank you. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 7:47 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? I administer the LAKE DNA Project on ftdna. However, I am by no means an expert in DNA genealogical research. In fact, I know very little about it. From what I *think* I do know, one marker does not include nor exclude a sample from a certain line/family. I've seen the value of one marker dicussed in this group several times in the past and it's always made me wonder what I was missing. From what I know, it's the preponderance of marker matches as a group which associates a sample with a family. Maybe someone can straighten me out. Also, from what I *think* I know, a 12-marker test is not enough markers to necessarily include a sample with a family (even if all 12 match), only exclude a sample from a family with enough mis-matches. > A descendant of William Robbins of Rutherford, NC b.abt. 1745 & d. 1816 > had a Y-DNA test done by The National Geographic Genographic Project. > From what I know they only tested 12 markers. When I went to the Robbins > DNA project to compare the results with the.test results posted there for > William Robbins of Rutherford, NC I noticed the the 12th marker DYS 389-2 > for the Geographic Project test was 16 not 29. It's my understanding that > the range for DYS 389-2 is between 24-34 with this marker for the Daniel > Robins descendants marker being 29. Can anyone explain to me why this one > is 16 & all the others for the Daniel Robins descendants 29? The paper > trail from this descendant now deceased to William Robbins appears to be > credible. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1236 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-06-18 09:53:12 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? Message: Hi Richard, Thank you for your response to my question. Your suggestion that there was possibly a mistake in the Genographic database may be correct. The results are not online as far as I know. I recently had contact with the niec e of the man who tested & she mention she had a Y-DNA test done before her uncle’s death. I asked her for the results. Would you agree with Marshall that 12 markers isn’t sufficient? Any ideas would be appreciated. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@...m [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 5:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? I am not sure as to why that result was given in the Genographic project. As you had stated, that is completely out of the range of possibilities for that marker. I can only think that it is mis-entered in the database. We have 2 descendants of the same William in group one in our Project that have the correct value. How were you able to access the results? I don't find a way to view. I looked in the Y search and was unable to find him there. I DID find a skeleton in Strathclyde, Scotland that was one marker off on the Group one markers. I sent a message to see about that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1237 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-18 15:12:57 Subject:Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? Message: 12 markers, are enough to establish the pattern of a haplogroup, although with FTDNA being cautious, the best method would be to test AT LEAST 37 markers in a surname study under FTDNA, as Robbins DNA has done in the pa st. Even then, the relationship is never really knowable. I have 4 out of 67 STR mismatched for most of the Robbins tested in our Group one, and those are with people maybe 8 generations removed from me. The ones that concern me are ones that are dropping into 13 or 14 at DYS 390 (as in 12 for group one) Really, I am pretty sure that FTDNA groups those as different haplogroups within the 12 marker set. Or at least they DID. My recent test for the Big Y showed that Group one should be tested for M64.3 in a SNP test with FTDNA to go toward that as a terminal SNP for now, proving that would be a more definite test for relationships with in Robbins group 1. Or maybe even z2109 as an individual test for Group one. These have been suggested by the admins at the HT35 page. I've really never trusted the STR Y-DNA tests, and the jury is still out on the Big Y, as well. I am awaiting further refinement with the Big Y as more people test. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1238 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2015-06-18 16:13:12 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? Message: Richard, Thank you for your explanation & your thoughts on my question. After looking at the Project’s paperwork I’d never recommend them. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? 12 markers, are enough to establish the pattern of a haplogroup, although with FTDNA being cautious, the best method would be to test AT LEAST 37 markers in a surname study under FTDNA, as Robbins DNA has done in the pa st. Even then, the relationship is never really knowable. I have 4 out of 67 STR mismatched for most of the Robbins tested in our Group one, and those are with people maybe 8 generations removed from me. The ones that concern me are ones that are dropping into 13 or 14 at DYS 390 (as in 12 for group one) Really, I am pretty sure that FTDNA groups those as different haplogroups within the 12 marker set. Or at least they DID. My recent test for the Big Y showed that Group one should be tested for M64.3 in a SNP test with FTDNA to go toward that as a terminal SNP for now, proving that would be a more definite test for relationships with in Robbins group 1. Or maybe even z2109 as an individual test for Group one. These have been suggested by the admins at the HT35 page. I've really never trusted the STR Y-DNA tests, and the jury is still out on the Big Y, as well. I am awaiting further refinement with the Big Y as more people test. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1239 Sender: Post Date/Time:2015-06-18 17:44:34 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? Message: Richard I am having a hard time following you. It appears that DYS390=24. See if you can state this more clearly please..Caroline ---- "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > Richard, > > Thank you for your explanation & your thoughts on my question. After looking at the Project’s paperwork I’d never recommend them. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:13 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? > > > > > > 12 markers, are enough to establish the pattern of a haplogroup, although with FTDNA being cautious, the best method would be to test AT LEAST 37 markers in a surname study under FTDNA, as Robbins DNA has done in the past. Even then, the relationship is never really knowable. I have 4 out of 67 STR mismatched for most of the Robbins tested in our Group one, and those are with people maybe 8 generations removed from me. > > The ones that concern me are ones that are dropping into 13 or 14 at DYS 390 (as in 12 for group one) Really, I am pretty sure that FTDNA groups those as different haplogroups within the 12 marker set. Or at least the y DID. My recent test for the Big Y showed that Group one should be tested for M64.3 in a SNP test with FTDNA to go toward that as a terminal SNP for now, proving that would be a more definite test for relationships wi thin Robbins group 1. Or maybe even z2109 as an individual test for Group one. These have been suggested by the admins at the HT35 page. > > > > I've really never trusted the STR Y-DNA tests, and the jury is still out on the Big Y, as well. I am awaiting further refinement with the Big Y as more people test. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1240 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-19 10:27:57 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robbins Y-DNA ? Message: Should be DYS 393 , sorry. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1241 Sender:ktyc14@... Post Date/Time:2015-06-25 13:28:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: i hope you are the man researching Jeremia Johnson. I rented the movie. Will watch tonight or tomorrow then find out if there is anything at Historical Society. Do you know where in Minnesota he brought his show? K athy Crellin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1242 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2015-06-25 16:33:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Howdy, Thanks for asking....The show was probably booked as Hardwick's Show, or, the Liver Eating Johnson and Crow Indian Group, or perhaps another. They were in Minneapolis and I think one other, although I do not have that info handy. There was a local gal that joined the show from Minnisota. And one fellow from the Dakotas. SHE supposedly fell in love with one of the Crow.... The Movie jeremiah johnson is based on the books Crow Killer and Mountain Man....mostly fiction. Tall tales laced with a bit of truth. Johnson never married although he had a squaw working for him one trapping season. The show started in May of 1884 went to the Dakotas, to Minn, to Wis, then down to Chicago where it disbanded in August of 1884. Some of the troupe went with Cody, some with Sullivan, some with other shows and a lot of the cast and crew had to make their own way back to Montana and thereabouts. I will be into those boxes later this summer with all the info. Thanks, Dorman Nelson For those that might not know, the 1972 movie jeremiah johnson was loosely about John Liver Eating Johnston who died in Sawtelle, California in 1900. He was born a Garrison--grandson of Dinah Rob(b)ins who is of the Rob bins Family Clan. There are several relatives alive today that are from the marriage of Dinah and Isaac Garrison. Johnston had 4 sisters and one brother from that union. I know that Isaac was married before at least on ce and the 2 sons and 1 daughter from that union never had children. Liver Eating Johnston was born in New Jersey close to Little York. The family also operated the tavern at King's Crossing, although I think Isaac probably drank himself out of any living from that venue. On Jun 25, 2015, at 1:28 PM, ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > i hope you are the man researching Jeremia Johnson. I rented the movie. Will watch tonight or tomorrow then find out if there is anything at Historical Society. Do you know where in Minnesota he brought his show? Kathy Crellin > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1243 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2015-07-02 10:38:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Sent from my iPad > On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:50 AM, ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Have you found out anything about this Sincy Robbins? I am stuck. I am supposedly descended from Sincy - Joshua - John Dildaine - John Wesley - then my grandmother, Anna Laura Robbins Crellin. One would think that Sincy would have to somehow make his way to this country for his son, Joshua to be born in New Jersey. I have seen a tree where it is claimed Joshua was born in Ireland. Any help would be appreciated. This is my firs t post to the group. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1244 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2015-07-02 10:50:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: I did not post this. Shirley Hawley Sent from my iPad > On Jul 2, 2015, at 12:38 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:50 AM, ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> Have you found out anything about this Sincy Robbins? I am stuck. I am supposedly descended from Sincy - Joshua - John Dildaine - John Wesley - then my grandmother, Anna Laura Robbins Crellin. One would think that Sincy would have to somehow make his way to this country for his son, Joshua to be born in New Jersey. I have seen a tree where it is claimed Joshua was born in Ireland. Any help would be appreciated. This is my fir st post to the group. >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1245 Sender:ktyc14@... Post Date/Time:2015-07-20 21:32:05 Subject:Joshua Robbins Questions Message: I sent in a message earlier where I was only 100 years off. Sorry. Investigating Richarts Cemetery Jordan Township, Monmouth County, Unityville, PA. Jane Dildine Robbins is buried there along with her husband, Joshua . A little mixup in that her gravestone says wife of Joshua Sr and Find a Grave label says He is a Junior. I thought I found his dad but I was 100 years off. There is a Joshua B. in that cemetery who died in 1878. I also noted that their son Joseph D (Dildine) is also buried there. My direct ancestor is John Dildaine Robbins buried in Iowa after he moved his family there out of concern for his oldest son's health. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1246 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-07-29 15:36:46 Subject:R1b Backbone test (Group one Robbins DNA) Message: Got this the other day, please take this test if you are a male Robbins R1b please. It would have saved me big bucks if I had taken this instead of the Big Y.... Dear Group Administrators, Exciting news! If you haven’t already heard, we’re offering members of Y-haplogroup R1b the opportunity to purchase the beta release of our new R1b Backbone Panel for only $79! Starting today, Wednesday, July 29, we’re sending notices to customers who are eligible to get in on this great deal. We created this panel of carefully curated Y-DNA SNPs with the assistance of Mike Walsh, who is administrator of several R1b groups, including the gateway R1b and All Subclades Project. The 140-SNP panel includes R-M343, which is above the R-M269 SNP we use to designate the R1b branch, plus 139 downstream SNPs that come from a number of testing sources and which represent the upper portion of the R1b branch of the Y-DNA haplotree. Eighty of those 140 SNPs are being newly added to the FTDNA Y tree. Keep in mind that the R1b Backbone Panel is not meant to provide your project members with a terminal SNP. Rather, it’s designed to help identify the branch of the enormous R1b haplogroup to which those members belong, and will hopefully encourage further exploration of their ancestral origins. Even if your project member has done some preliminary SNP testing, this panel can be valuable since it includes SNPs not previously found on the tree. This special beta price of $79 is just $1 more than the cost of testing two individual SNPs! All they have to do to order is click on the banner ad on their myFTDNA dashboard. For those group administrators who do not routinely deal with Y-DNA SNPs and who have questions about the panel, please direct your questions to groups@familytreedna.com mailto:groups@familytreedna.com and put “R1b Bac kbone Panel” on the subject line. We'll be happy to help. Here are the SNPs included in the R1b Backbone panel: SNPs Already on Tree A6454 BY2896 A1773 A2150 A274 A4670 A517 BY2823 BY2868 BY575 CTS10429 CTS11567 CTS11994 CTS1751 CTS3386 CTS4466 CTS4528 CTS5330 CTS5689 CTS6937 CTS7763 DF103 DF110 DF13 DF17 DF19 DF21 DF41 DF49 DF63 DF81 DF83 DF88 DF90 DF95 DF99 F2691 F2863 FGC10516 FGC11134 FGC13620 FGC13780 FGC20761 FGC22501 FGC396 FGC5301 FGC5336 FGC5338 FGC5344 FGC5345 FGC5351 FGC5354 FGC5356 FGC5367 FGC5373 FGC5494 FGC5798 L1335 L2 L21 L23 L238 L277 L278 L371 L389 L408 L47 L48 L51 L513 L584 L617 L881 M1994 M222 M269 M335 M343 M73 MC14 P297 P310 P311 P312 PF3252 PF331 PF6610 PF6658 PF6714 PF7562 PF7589 PF7600 S1026 S1051 S11493 S11601 S12025 S1567 S16264 S1688 S18632 S18827 S6317 S7721 SRY2627 U106 U152 V88 Y5058 Z156 Z16500 Z17 Z17300 Z18 Z1862 Z195 Z198 Z209 Z2103 Z2106 Z2109 Z225 Z251 Z253 Z2542 Z255 Z2573 Z262 Z295 Z296 Z301 Z302 Z36 Z367 Z381 Z49 Z56 Z8056 Z9 New SNPs Being Added to Tree BY2895 A6454 BY2896 A1773 A2150 A274 A4670 A517 BY2823 BY2868 BY575 CTS11994 CTS5330 DF103 DF110 DF17 DF41 DF81 DF83 DF88 DF90 FGC10516 FGC11134 FGC13620 FGC13780 FGC20761 FGC22501 FGC396 FGC5301 FGC5336 FGC5338 FGC5344 FGC5345 FGC5351 FGC5354 FGC5356 FGC5367 FGC5373 FGC5494 FGC5798 L1335 L277 L408 L584 L617 L881 M1994 MC14 PF331 PF6658 PF7562 PF7600 S1026 S1051 S11493 S12025 S1567 S16264 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1247 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-10-12 20:01:01 Subject:Letter I recieved Message: Got this in the email today, and I want to know if anyone has any info on whether these are relations? Mr. Robbins: I read your post about Robbins DNA with great interest, for obvious reasons. I'm looking into our family's genealogy in the wake of my grandfather's passing. My father is Patrick Robbins, born in Newton, NJ. His father is Donald Robbins, Born in Newton, NJ, who operated the Robbins Store in Middleville, NJ and died in Lexington, KY yesterday. Donald's father was Victor Robb ins, president of the Newton Trust Company and owner/operator of the Robbins Store. Victor's father was Alfred Robbins, who purchased the Robbins Store in 1903 and also worked as a carpenter and a fur broker. Alfred's f ather was Patrick Robbins, who was the oldest son of Charles and Hannah. I can track Charles to his birthplace in Monmouth County, NJ (where I currently reside). Interestingly enough, until the mid 1990s Donald and his wife, Shirley, kept in touch with their Spangenberg cousins. Donald, Victor and Alfred were all only sons. My father, Patrick, has one sister, Donna Robbins Poyer, who has two children of her own. We're not completely sure who Charles Robbins' father was, just that Charles was born in or near 1776 and his father fought in the Revolutionary War. Family legend has it that Charles's father was a Loyalist fighting o n the side of the British, but I have no evidence to confirm this. As the last known living direct patrilineal Robbins descendant in New Jersey, I've been trying to hunt down my distant cousins. Donald Robbins, who just died, will return to Stillwater, NJ to be buried later this week. He was the last great source for my genealogical explorations of our family line, as he kept detailed records of our history and preserved many of our family's relics. Possibly your distant cousin, Christopher Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1248 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2015-12-16 14:22:47 Subject:Fwd: New Christmas song.. Sung by the ACLU choir Message: Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Kelly Nelms > Date: December 15, 2015 at 1:29:47 PM CST > To: Chris Albert > Subject: New Christmas song.. Sung by the ACLU choir > Reply-To: Kelly Nelms > > > > > New Christmas song > > http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=ln01p1M2cH0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1249 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2015-12-17 09:02:08 Subject:FTDNA news for group 1 Message: This is relevant to anyone that is within group one of the Robbins DNA group. Z2109 (showing z2106 ) is one that I belong to currently, and another member has tested to Z2105. Dear R1b-M269 (P312- U106-) DNA Project - Z2103 Haplogroup Members, 2015 has been an exciting year for the Z2103 haplogroup. It started off with the discovery of five Yamnaya graves over 5000 years old. These ancients were identified as belonging to the R1b-Z2103 haplogroup by Haak et a l. 2015, Allentoft et al. 2015, and Mathieson et al. 2015. Co-administrator Sergey Malyshev studied the data to show that some of the ancients are Z2103> Z2106 and others belong to the Z2106>Z2109>KMS75 - Burzyan Bashk irian line. Many more ancient Z2103+ samples have been recently added to the project's Ancient DNA chart. Quite a few new SNPs were added to the peer reviewed ISOGG haplotree this year thanks to the efforts of co-admin istrator Atanas Kumbarov. The project haplotree tree has grown tremendously thanks to the dedication of members of this project who have taken the Big Y test. This has led to the discovery of a huge number of SNPs and b ranches to the Z2103 haplogroup. We now have branches young enough to be within the realm of history and genealogical research. It's been an amazing year. These discoveries from Big Y testing and the phylogenetic work of this project has made it possible for FTDNA to release a custom-made R1b-Z2103 SNP Pack that will test over 150 SNPs specific to the R1b-Z2103 haplogroup . That's an extraordinary number of SNPs! The end result is that we will be able to place you in a very precise way far downstream from your current position to a much more specific subclade of R1b-Z2103. The SNP pack c osts only $99 and it truly is the most economical way to test for SNPs and find your specific branch on the haplotree. Go for it! It's a great way to finish this extraordinary year of discovery and to get closer to answ ering the riddle of your distant origins. Please consult R1b-M269 (P312- U106-) DNA Project for your subgroup and its specific testing recommendations. Feel free to post your questions on the project activity feed. We have a lot of members who can help you. A couple words about the Big Y test. If you have taken the more expensive Big Y test, there is no need to take the R1b-Z2103 SNP Pack test. If you have the means, the Z2103 haplogroup is in desperate need of more Big Y testing. Phylogeny, the discovery of new SNPs and branches to the haplotree is a core mission of the R1b-M269 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) and depends on members ordering the Big Y test. NGS testing like Big Y is the only way to discover SNPs and do advanced SNP based TMRCA (Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor) estimates. Whether it’s finding your place on the tree with the new R1b-Z2103 SNP Pack or discovering your unique paternal Y DNA lineage with the Big Y test, NOW is the time to test for SNPs. 2016 should indeed be an exciting yea r with so much more to learn. The R1b-M269 (P312- U106-) DNA Project team deeply appreciates your contribution to the phylogenetic science of this project. Best wishes to you and your family for the New Year. R1b-M269 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ht-3-5new/about/background P.S. We do our best to predict R1b-Z2103 haplotypes from STRs and are pretty good at it. It’s still a prediction and not a guarantee that the R1b-Z2103 SNP Pack is the correct test for you because it is specific to the R1b-Z2103 haplogroup. FTDNA gives this warning on all SNP pack orders. Kit ####### does not meet the prerequisites for R1b-Z2103 SNP Pack. The sample provided may not test positive for any of the SNPs in this panel. If it does not test positive, you will not be able to receive a refund. Do you still want to purchase this product? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1250 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2015-12-30 18:39:49 Subject:Robins Wills in Greene/Fayette Counties PA and Monongalia, WV Message: This Fall I paid another visit to South Western PA, spending a week, with the purpose searching for early Robins wills. Five days passed in the twinkling of an eye. I found some in Greene and Fayette Counties. They have revealed some clues, some names of extended family members or in-laws. I am reaching out to this group who not only my have knowledge of SW PA, but NJ as well. There were several wills of interest from Green or Fayette Counties. Without transcribing them here, at this time, I will say that there were wills for four Robins men: Daniel Robins, Richard Robins, Jacob Robins al l of Fayette County, PA and Jacob Robins of Greene County, PA. Daniel Robins (Springhill, Fayette Co., PA), whose oral will was recorded 26 March 1785, after his death, by son Richard Robins. The will mentions son John, daughter Mercy, and brothers John and William. While Richard i s not named directly, John Lucas is named, who was the husband of Jemima Robins, daughter of Richard. [No wife is mentioned. Daniel applied for a land grant shortly before his death. The property was called "Reliance", and was 'next door' to property owned by Theophilus Philips. In chronological order, the next will is by Richard Robins' will is written in 1787. He names his wife Sarah, "now pregnant"; sons Daniel and Samuel and daughter Jemima. Richard's will is witnessed by John Robins an d Jacob Robins. The next will written on 10 Feb 1790 is for Jacob Robins. He mentions his wife Frances and son Jacob and Lot Philips. Both Jacob and Lot Philips inherit half of the land in the estate, after they reach the age of tw enty-one. To Daniel Robins son of Richard, deceased, he leaves ten shillings. [Frances Philips was daughter of Theophilus Philips. After Jacobs death, Frances married John Barrett.] The last Robins will that I found was Jacob Robins of Greene County. It was dated 20 January 1814, and it mentions his wife Elizabeth. While no children are named, two half brothers are. The half brothers are Theoph ilus Philips Barrett and William Minor Barrett. Baltzer Kramer was named executor, [Baltzer kramer was the husband of Sarah Philips, who was daughter of Theophilus Philips.] I have been following some of the clues, which has lead me to search through other wills found locally and online. It's given me more family names to explore. Again, I am reaching out to this group for insight. Is there anything about these family groupings that is familiar? Thank you,Mary E. Robbins