----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1278 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2017-01-01 08:59:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: I'd like to know more about this other Chris Robbins. Chris RobbinsKnoxville, TN On Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:56 PM, "maspden@telusplanet.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Have recently been contacted by a Chris Robbins who wishes to join our Robbins Family Society. But not sure how to go about this process. I have his email address as well as his basic Robbins Family History. Looks intriguing. Suspect one or more member will be able to help Chris. He has previously corresponded with Sara. Happy New Year! 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Post Date/Time:2017-01-01 10:56:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Chris in TN, You are the only Chris I recall corresponding with. I hear from a number of people & keep a record of their inquiries. I don't find another Chris Robbins on my list. Happy New Year to All Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1280 Sender:C ROBBINS Post Date/Time:2017-01-01 13:10:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: And a Happy New Year to you. Chris On Sunday, January 1, 2017 12:57 PM, "july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Chris in TN,You are the only Chris I recall corresponding with. I hear from a number of people & keep a record of their inquiries. I don't find another Chris Robbins on my list. 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That is our New Years challenge. Here is what Chris Robbins sent me: "I can go back to 1810 with Peter Robbins being born in New Hope , Brown County, Ohio. I have been communicating with a distant cousin who still lives in the general area of Ohio. Maybe you have emailed her before her n ame is Ritanne Islo. We believe Peter's Dad was Vincent G.Robbins. The only proof is a census from 1820. Ritanne believes that Vincent married Geertie Ryker in Kentucky. We both think that Vincent and his sister Azuba R obbins Washburn Grand Father was a Isaac by the naming pattern of the Scottish. It has been very frustrating to connect those two to a tree. Isaac 1714-1741 married Azuba Thatcher. The name Azuba/ Azubia goes on through our family throughout 1800's. That same pair also had a son named Vincent who d ied in 1760. i would very much like to join the group. I have seen many things that Sara Hoffman has written and followed her information regarding Vincent and Azuba. She thinks that my ancestors lived for a time in Sus sex County and then traveled to Kentucky to help fight the Indians. Thanks for all the help! Cris Robbins ( I am the end of the family branch )” Sara. Maybe the reference to you was not a direct contact but results from his reading of your work. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1282 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-02 13:41:15 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Murr, Thanks for the explanation. My records indicate Cris Robbins isn’t someone that I have heard from. I noticed he spells his name Cris not Chris unless this is a typo. Yes, this is our New Year challenge among others. Tha nks for giving us one. We sure need it here at the Robbins Society. There is no proof Asubia wife of Isaac Robins b. abt. 1700 & died 1741 was a Thatcher. This is an assumed relationship & possibly right. Isaac & Asubia Robins according to the 1741 Will of Isaac Robins had two sons Vincent & Joseph & four daughters. The daughters’ names are not given in Isaac’s Will. Vincent Robins & his wife Ann Kitchen lived in Amwell Township Hunterdon Co., NJ. Vincent died intestate in Amwell , Hunterdon Co. before 1775 when his son Obadiah Robins deeded land to John Buchanan all of Amwell. This was land Obadiah inherited from his deceased father Vincent. Ann Kitchen Robins married as her second husband John Peters. The deed can be found in the Robins, Robbins of New Jersey book pages 227, 228 & 229 transcrib ed by Marshall Lake. I believe Marshall has one of Isaac Robins daughters Sarah Elizabeth married to John Lake. I’ll leave this to Marshall for further details. This is his line & he has done a lot of research in this a rea of the Robins family. As to Vincent Robins who died in Amwell Hunterdon County going to Kentucky to fight Indians, this story didn’t come from me. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 11:46 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Hello again, One or two Chris Robbins? That is our New Years challenge. Here is what Chris Robbins sent me: "I can go back to 1810 with Peter Robbins being born in New Hope , Brown County, Ohio. I have been communicating with a distant cousin who still lives in the general area of Ohio. Maybe you have emailed her before her n ame is Ritanne Islo. We believe Peter's Dad was Vincent G.Robbins. The only proof is a census from 1820. Ritanne believes that Vincent married Geertie Ryker in Kentucky. We both think that Vincent and his sister Azuba R obbins Washburn Grand Father was a Isaac by the naming pattern of the Scottish. It has been very frustrating to connect those two to a tree. Isaac 1714-1741 married Azuba Thatcher. The name Azuba/ Azubia goes on through our family throughout 1800's. That same pair also had a son named Vincent who d ied in 1760. i would very much like to join the group. I have seen many things that Sara Hoffman has written and followed her information regarding Vincent and Azuba. She thinks that my ancestors lived for a time in Sus sex County and then traveled to Kentucky to help fight the Indians. Thanks for all the help! Cris Robbins ( I am the end of the family branch )” Sara. Maybe the reference to you was not a direct contact but results from his reading of your work. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1283 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2017-01-02 15:29:39 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Murr, I can extend an invitation through the group administration tool if you'll send me the email address. Thanks! On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 1:41 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Murr, > > Thanks for the explanation. My records indicate Cris Robbins isn’t someone > that I have heard from. I noticed he spells his name Cris not Chris unless > this is a typo. Yes, this is our New Year challenge among others. Thanks > for giving us one. We sure need it here at the Robbins Society. > > > > There is no proof Asubia wife of Isaac Robins b. abt. 1700 & died 1741 was > a Thatcher. This is an assumed relationship & possibly right. > > Isaac & Asubia Robins according to the 1741 Will of Isaac Robins had two > sons Vincent & Joseph & four daughters. The daughters’ names are not given > in Isaac’s Will. > > > > Vincent Robins & his wife Ann Kitchen lived in Amwell Township Hunterdon > Co., NJ. Vincent died intestate in Amwell , Hunterdon Co. before 1775 when > his son Obadiah Robins deeded land to John Buchanan all of Amwell. This was > land Obadiah inherited from his deceased father Vincent. Ann Kitchen Robins > married as her second husband John Peters. The deed can be found in the > Robins, Robbins of New Jersey book pages 227, 228 & 229 transcribed by > Marshall Lake. I believe Marshall has one of Isaac Robins daughters Sarah > Elizabeth married to John Lake. I’ll leave this to Marshall for further > details. This is his line & he has done a lot of research in this area of > the Robins family. > > > > As to Vincent Robins who died in Amwell Hunterdon County going to Kentucky > to fight Indians, this story didn’t come from me. > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@ > yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, January 1, 2017 11:46 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join > > > > > > Hello again, > > One or two Chris Robbins? That is our New Years challenge. Here is what > Chris Robbins sent me: > > > > "I can go back to 1810 with Peter Robbins being born in New Hope , Brown > County, Ohio. I have been communicating with a distant cousin who still > lives in the general area of Ohio. Maybe you have emailed her before her > name is Ritanne Islo. We believe Peter's Dad was Vincent G.Robbins. The > only proof is a census from 1820. Ritanne believes that Vincent married > Geertie Ryker in Kentucky. We both think that Vincent and his sister Azuba > Robbins Washburn Grand Father was a Isaac by the naming pattern of the > Scottish. > > > > It has been very frustrating to connect those two to a tree. Isaac > 1714-1741 married Azuba Thatcher. The name Azuba/ Azubia goes on through > our family throughout 1800's. That same pair also had a son named Vincent > who died in 1760. i would very much like to join the group. I have seen > many things that Sara Hoffman has written and followed her information > regarding Vincent and Azuba. She thinks that my ancestors lived for a time > in Sussex County and then traveled to Kentucky to help fight the Indians. > > > Thanks for all the help! > > > > Cris Robbins ( I am the end of the family branch )” > > > > Sara. Maybe the reference to you was not a direct contact but results from > his reading of your work. Murr > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1284 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-02 17:25:27 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Murr & members, Thought I had addressed this earlier but don’t see my post. Just to clarify my role here. I haven’t been the administrator or moderator for quite a while. I turned it over to Tod Robbins who is both administrator & moderator of this group now known as the Robbins Family Society. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 3:30 PM To: Robbins Family Society Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Murr, I can extend an invitation through the group administration tool if you'll send me the email address. Thanks! On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 1:41 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Murr, Thanks for the explanation. My records indicate Cris Robbins isn’t someone that I have heard from. I noticed he spells his name Cris not Chris unless this is a typo. Yes, this is our New Year challenge among others. Tha nks for giving us one. We sure need it here at the Robbins Society. There is no proof Asubia wife of Isaac Robins b. abt. 1700 & died 1741 was a Thatcher. This is an assumed relationship & possibly right. Isaac & Asubia Robins according to the 1741 Will of Isaac Robins had two sons Vincent & Joseph & four daughters. The daughters’ names are not given in Isaac’s Will. Vincent Robins & his wife Ann Kitchen lived in Amwell Township Hunterdon Co., NJ. Vincent died intestate in Amwell , Hunterdon Co. before 1775 when his son Obadiah Robins deeded land to John Buchanan all of Amwell. This was land Obadiah inherited from his deceased father Vincent. Ann Kitchen Robins married as her second husband John Peters. The deed can be found in the Robins, Robbins of New Jersey book pages 227, 228 & 229 transcrib ed by Marshall Lake. I believe Marshall has one of Isaac Robins daughters Sarah Elizabeth married to John Lake. I’ll leave this to Marshall for further details. This is his line & he has done a lot of research in this a rea of the Robins family. As to Vincent Robins who died in Amwell Hunterdon County going to Kentucky to fight Indians, this story didn’t come from me. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 11:46 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Hello again, One or two Chris Robbins? That is our New Years challenge. Here is what Chris Robbins sent me: "I can go back to 1810 with Peter Robbins being born in New Hope , Brown County, Ohio. I have been communicating with a distant cousin who still lives in the general area of Ohio. Maybe you have emailed her before her n ame is Ritanne Islo. We believe Peter's Dad was Vincent G.Robbins. The only proof is a census from 1820. Ritanne believes that Vincent married Geertie Ryker in Kentucky. We both think that Vincent and his sister Azuba R obbins Washburn Grand Father was a Isaac by the naming pattern of the Scottish. It has been very frustrating to connect those two to a tree. Isaac 1714-1741 married Azuba Thatcher. The name Azuba/ Azubia goes on through our family throughout 1800's. That same pair also had a son named Vincent who d ied in 1760. i would very much like to join the group. I have seen many things that Sara Hoffman has written and followed her information regarding Vincent and Azuba. She thinks that my ancestors lived for a time in Sus sex County and then traveled to Kentucky to help fight the Indians. Thanks for all the help! Cris Robbins ( I am the end of the family branch )” Sara. Maybe the reference to you was not a direct contact but results from his reading of your work. Murr -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1285 Sender:kissprof@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-03 06:12:35 Subject:William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA Message: I've read the back topics on this family, centered in SW PA/Monongolia WV, and I was wondering what the source was for George's birthday of 1800? Based on DNA results I'm pretty sure I have a strong connection to the g eographical area and I have strong Robbins ancestry, so I'm inclined to think my George Robbins ancestor is the George son of William & Mary, but my George has an estimated birth year (through census records) of 1792. Would really like to correspond with any interested parties about this family. Thank you very much. John Stromberger ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1286 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-01-03 11:18:45 Subject:Re: Isaac ROBINS & Asubia (was: New Member Request to join) Message: More research is needed but it appears Isaac ROBINS (1692-1741) married Asubia/Azubiah [presumed] THATCHER c1720. One of their [presumed] daughters, Sarah Ann (1736-1823), married John LAKE (1728-1809) in 1756. A son of Sarah Ann and John LAKE, Isaac (1757-1825), married Elizabeth GODOWN (1763-c1820). > There is no proof Asubia wife of Isaac Robins b. abt. 1700 & died 1741 > was a Thatcher. This is an assumed relationship & possibly right. > > Isaac & Asubia Robins according to the 1741 Will of Isaac Robins had two > sons Vincent & Joseph & four daughters. The daughters’ names are not > given in Isaac’s Will. > > Vincent Robins & his wife Ann Kitchen lived in Amwell Township Hunterdon > Co., NJ. Vincent died intestate in Amwell , Hunterdon Co. before 1775 > when his son Obadiah Robins deeded land to John Buchanan all of Amwell. > This was land Obadiah inherited from his deceased father Vincent. Ann > Kitchen Robins married as her second husband John Peters. The deed can > be found in the Robins, Robbins of New Jersey book pages 227, 228 & 229 > transcribed by Marshall Lake. I believe Marshall has one of Isaac Robins > daughters Sarah Elizabeth married to John Lake. I’ll leave this to > Marshall for further details. This is his line & he has done a lot of > research in this area of the Robins family. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1287 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-03 19:56:59 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA Message: John, Thanks for sharing your ancestry with us. I was curious what sources inclined you to think your George Robbins b. 1792 was the son of William Robbins & Mary Evans? Is there a birthdate & death date for William Robbins? A marriage record for William to Mary Evans? Did William Robbins have a Will? Any idea where William & Mary are buried? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 6:13 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA I've read the back topics on this family, centered in SW PA/Monongolia WV, and I was wondering what the source was for George's birthday of 1800? Based on DNA results I'm pretty sure I have a strong connection to the g eographical area and I have strong Robbins ancestry, so I'm inclined to think my George Robbins ancestor is the George son of William & Mary, but my George has an estimated birth year (through census records) of 1792. Would really like to correspond with any interested parties about this family. Thank you very much. John Stromberger ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1288 Sender:"Stromberger, John" Post Date/Time:2017-01-04 07:12:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA Message: The reason I made the connection at all was because two documented sons of my George, Jesse Franklin Robbins and Andrew Jackson Robbins, are found in the 1880 census in Monongolia County with their families. On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:56 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > John, > > Thanks for sharing your ancestry with us. I was curious what sources > inclined you to think your George Robbins b. 1792 was the son of William > Robbins & Mary Evans? Is there a birthdate & death date for William > Robbins? A marriage record for William to Mary Evans? Did William Robbins > have a Will? Any idea where William & Mary are buried? > > > Sara > > > > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@ > yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 6:13 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son > George - SW PA > > > > > > I've read the back topics on this family, centered in SW PA/Monongolia WV, > and I was wondering what the source was for George's birthday of 1800? > Based on DNA results I'm pretty sure I have a strong connection to the > geographical area and I have strong Robbins ancestry, so I'm inclined to > think my George Robbins ancestor is the George son of William & Mary, but > my George has an estimated birth year (through census records) of 1792. > Would really like to correspond with any interested parties about this > family. Thank you very much. > > > > John Stromberger > > > -- "This message and any attachment constitute a PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL communication and may contain legally privileged information. Do not share any information from this communication with any one unless you have received permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, further distribution or use of these items is prohibited. In that case, do not read, copy or use the information contained herein or disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message and then delete it from your system." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1289 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-04 10:41:47 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA Message: John, I wasn’t sure but assuming from what you said that you have linked your George Robbins family to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 descendants through Y-DNA testing? I looked at your tree on ancestry & did a brief search for the Andrew J. Robbins that you have on your tree b. 4-1-1844, WV, d. 11-14-1921. Andrew J. Robbins has a PA Death Certificate at ancestry that names his parents as David Robbins & Nancy Cartwright. Andrew J. Robbins died at Port Marion, Fayette Co, Pa & is buried at Oak Grove Cemetery, Uniontown, PA along with his wife Arie Ellen. Also looked at Jesse Franklin Robbins b. abt. 1837, d. 11-24-1906 in Uniontown, Fayette Co., PA. Jesse has a PA Death Certificate too. He died at age 69 no birthdate given but names his parents as Jesse Robbins & Nancy Cartwright. I believe the father of Andrew & Jesse was named Jesse David Robbins or David Jesse Robbins. It appears to me that he is the same man on both certificates. Hopefully this may be helpful to you. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 7:13 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA The reason I made the connection at all was because two documented sons of my George, Jesse Franklin Robbins and Andrew Jackson Robbins, are found in the 1880 census in Monongolia County with their families. On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:56 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: John, Thanks for sharing your ancestry with us. I was curious what sources inclined you to think your George Robbins b. 1792 was the son of William Robbins & Mary Evans? Is there a birthdate & death date for William Robbins? A marriage record for William to Mary Evans? Did William Robbins have a Will? Any idea where William & Mary are buried? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 6:13 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA I've read the back topics on this family, centered in SW PA/Monongolia WV, and I was wondering what the source was for George's birthday of 1800? Based on DNA results I'm pretty sure I have a strong connection to the g eographical area and I have strong Robbins ancestry, so I'm inclined to think my George Robbins ancestor is the George son of William & Mary, but my George has an estimated birth year (through census records) of 1792. Would really like to correspond with any interested parties about this family. Thank you very much. John Stromberger "This message and any attachment constitute a PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL communication and may contain legally privileged information. Do not share any information from this communication with any one unless you have rec eived permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, further distribution or use of these items is prohibited. In that case, do not read, copy or use the information contained herein or disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message and then delete it from your system." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1290 Sender:"Stromberger, John" Post Date/Time:2017-01-04 11:34:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA Message: Yes Sara, I've seen the death certificates. But notice I also have an 1850 census that puts the brothers in the family with father George along with my ancestor Daniel as another brother. I make no claims to having this family figured out, I assure you. My original family info (unsourced) had Nancy's maiden name as Hansel, but I deferred to the Cartright based on the death certificates, which is also suspect to me because of the father's name listed. Waitiing for that person to show up with a rock solid tree and put me in my place. Hasn't happened yet, so I'm grasping at straws trying to find a solid connection. As for the y-DNA and stuff, this is not my paternal line. When I referenced DNA, I was referring to the fact that my father's autosomnal test on Ancestry yields a significant amount of hits in the Monongolia/Dunkard/Greene PA area, while my mother's, checked as a control, yields almost none. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:41 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > John, > > I wasn’t sure but assuming from what you said that you have linked your > George Robbins family to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 descendants through > Y-DNA testing? > > I looked at your tree on ancestry & did a brief search for the Andrew J. > Robbins that you have on your tree b. 4-1-1844, WV, d. 11-14-1921. Andrew > J. Robbins has a PA Death Certificate at ancestry that names his parents as > David Robbins & Nancy Cartwright. Andrew J. Robbins died at Port Marion, > Fayette Co, Pa & is buried at Oak Grove Cemetery, Uniontown, PA along with > his wife Arie Ellen. > > Also looked at Jesse Franklin Robbins b. abt. 1837, d. 11-24-1906 in > Uniontown, Fayette Co., PA. Jesse has a PA Death Certificate too. He died > at age 69 no birthdate given but names his parents as Jesse Robbins & Nancy > Cartwright. I believe the father of Andrew & Jesse was named Jesse David > Robbins or David Jesse Robbins. It appears to me that he is the same man on > both certificates. > > Hopefully this may be helpful to you. > > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@ > yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 4, 2017 7:13 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son > George - SW PA > > > > > > The reason I made the connection at all was because two documented sons of > my George, Jesse Franklin Robbins and Andrew Jackson Robbins, are found in > the 1880 census in Monongolia County with their families. > > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:56 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > John, > > Thanks for sharing your ancestry with us. I was curious what sources > inclined you to think your George Robbins b. 1792 was the son of William > Robbins & Mary Evans? Is there a birthdate & death date for William > Robbins? A marriage record for William to Mary Evans? Did William Robbins > have a Will? Any idea where William & Mary are buried? > > > Sara > > > > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@ > yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 6:13 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son > George - SW PA > > > > > > I've read the back topics on this family, centered in SW PA/Monongolia WV, > and I was wondering what the source was for George's birthday of 1800? > Based on DNA results I'm pretty sure I have a strong connection to the > geographical area and I have strong Robbins ancestry, so I'm inclined to > think my George Robbins ancestor is the George son of William & Mary, but > my George has an estimated birth year (through census records) of 1792. > Would really like to correspond with any interested parties about this > family. Thank you very much. > > > > John Stromberger > > > > > > "This message and any attachment constitute a PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL > communication and may contain legally privileged information. Do not share > any information from this communication with any one unless you have > received permission from the sender. If you are not the intended > recipient, further distribution or use of these items is prohibited. In > that case, do not read, copy or use the information contained herein or > disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by > replying to this message and then delete it from your system." > > > -- "This message and any attachment constitute a PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL communication and may contain legally privileged information. Do not share any information from this communication with any one unless you have received permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, further distribution or use of these items is prohibited. In that case, do not read, copy or use the information contained herein or disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message and then delete it from your system." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1291 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-04 12:41:07 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA Message: John, Yes, there is a lot of confusion with the George, David or Jesse Robbins family & many unanswered questions. My suggestion if possible is to find a Robbins from your line & have them do Y-DNA testing. It would point you to the right Robbins family. Some researchers have your George Robbins with ancestors born in Gloucestershire, England. However, my thoughts are everything on ancestry is subject to error without reliable sources. Please let us know if you find the answers you need. My best to you in your Robbins search. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 11:35 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA Yes Sara, I've seen the death certificates. But notice I also have an 1850 census that puts the brothers in the family with father George along with my ancestor Daniel as another brother. I make no claims to having th is family figured out, I assure you. My original family info (unsourced) had Nancy's maiden name as Hansel, but I deferred to the Cartright based on the death certificates, which is also suspect to me because of the fa ther's name listed. Waitiing for that person to show up with a rock solid tree and put me in my place. Hasn't happened yet, so I'm grasping at straws trying to find a solid connection. As for the y-DNA and stuff, this is not my paternal line. When I referenced DNA, I was referring to the fact that my father's autosomnal test on Ancestry yields a significant amount of hits in the Monongolia/Dunkard/Gr eene PA area, while my mother's, checked as a control, yields almost none. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:41 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: John, I wasn’t sure but assuming from what you said that you have linked your George Robbins family to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 descendants through Y-DNA testing? I looked at your tree on ancestry & did a brief search for the Andrew J. Robbins that you have on your tree b. 4-1-1844, WV, d. 11-14-1921. Andrew J. Robbins has a PA Death Certificate at ancestry that names his parents as David Robbins & Nancy Cartwright. Andrew J. Robbins died at Port Marion, Fayette Co, Pa & is buried at Oak Grove Cemetery, Uniontown, PA along with his wife Arie Ellen. Also looked at Jesse Franklin Robbins b. abt. 1837, d. 11-24-1906 in Uniontown, Fayette Co., PA. Jesse has a PA Death Certificate too. He died at age 69 no birthdate given but names his parents as Jesse Robbins & Nancy Cartwright. I believe the father of Andrew & Jesse was named Jesse David Robbins or David Jesse Robbins. It appears to me that he is the same man on both certificates. Hopefully this may be helpful to you. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 7:13 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA The reason I made the connection at all was because two documented sons of my George, Jesse Franklin Robbins and Andrew Jackson Robbins, are found in the 1880 census in Monongolia County with their families. On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:56 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: John, Thanks for sharing your ancestry with us. I was curious what sources inclined you to think your George Robbins b. 1792 was the son of William Robbins & Mary Evans? Is there a birthdate & death date for William Robbins? A marriage record for William to Mary Evans? Did William Robbins have a Will? Any idea where William & Mary are buried? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 6:13 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA I've read the back topics on this family, centered in SW PA/Monongolia WV, and I was wondering what the source was for George's birthday of 1800? Based on DNA results I'm pretty sure I have a strong connection to the g eographical area and I have strong Robbins ancestry, so I'm inclined to think my George Robbins ancestor is the George son of William & Mary, but my George has an estimated birth year (through census records) of 1792. Would really like to correspond with any interested parties about this family. Thank you very much. John Stromberger "This message and any attachment constitute a PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL communication and may contain legally privileged information. Do not share any information from this communication with any one unless you have rec eived permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, further distribution or use of these items is prohibited. In that case, do not read, copy or use the information contained herein or disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message and then delete it from your system." "This message and any attachment constitute a PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL communication and may contain legally privileged information. Do not share any information from this communication with any one unless you have rec eived permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, further distribution or use of these items is prohibited. In that case, do not read, copy or use the information contained herein or disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message and then delete it from your system." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1292 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-04 13:34:26 Subject:New to Group Message: My 2nd great grandmother was Rebecca Robbins 1832-1914 Connellsville, Fayette Co., PA and I am looking to connect to the Robbins of N.J. The oldest connected relative is Ephraim Robbins 1758-1850 and wife Mary Beck 175 9 Allentown Monmouth, NJ. Would appreciate any help you could offer. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1293 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-04 16:44:45 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New to Group Message: Welcome to the Group, The line of Ephraim Robins & Mary Beck has been determined through Y-DNA testing to be descendants of Daniel Robins 1627-1714 & Hope Potter. A brief outline. It appears you already have a good paper trail from Rebecca Robbins Regar to Ephraim & Mary Beck Robins. Your ancestor Rebecca Robbins 1832-1914 wife of Henry Loor Regar, daughter Stephen Robbins & Eliza Stillwagon. Stephen Robbins was the son of Aaron Robins abt. 1784-1874 & his first wife Elvira Longford. Aaron Robins was the son of Ephraim Robins abt. 1758-1850 & his wife Mary Beck. Ephraim Robins was the son of Ephraim Robins abt. 1708 -1759 & his wife Mercy Cox abt. 1720 Monmouth Co., NJ d. aft 1802. Ephraim Robins 1708 was the son of Aaron Robins, Sr. 1683-1759 & his first wife. Her name is unknown. Aaron’s second wife was Elizabeth Arney widow of John Arney. Aaron Robins, Sr. & Elizabeth Arney had no children toge ther. Aaron Robins, Sr. was the son of Daniel Robins, Sr. 1627 Scotland, 1714 Crosswicks, NJ. & his wife Hope Potter. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] New to Group My 2nd great grandmother was Rebecca Robbins 1832-1914 Connellsville, Fayette Co., PA and I am looking to connect to the Robbins of N.J. The oldest connected relative is Ephraim Robbins 1758-1850 and wife Mary Beck 175 9 Allentown Monmouth, NJ. Would appreciate any help you could offer. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1294 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-04 18:49:54 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Happy New Year Sara, Sorry that I quoted you as the person who wrote about Vincent and Azuba Robbins Washburn. The person who wrote that was LouAnne Winterrowd on genealogy.com. My 3rd Great Grand Father was Peter Robbins from New Hope , B rown County Ohio ( 1810-1892 ). I have been working on connecting the Ohio family back to the New jersey families. I read the goodspeed stories about the Robbins in Amwell as well as your Book on the Robbins in New Je rsey. I have communicated with a distant cousin who has been working on this puzzle for many years. We are related through the above Peter. She believes that Peter's father was Vincent Robbins who came to Kentucky along with his sister Azuba and George Washburn to help fight the Indians. Vincent was on a 1820 Census in Brown County Ohio and the children ages matched up very well with our family. His age from that census was over 45 year ol d. There is also a belief that Vincent Married Geertie Ryker in Kentucky. There is proof that that she married a Vincent Robbins and they had children in Kentucky before 1798. The problem is our Ohio family started in 1 808 with a Vincent H. Robbins followed by our Peter in 1810 and then sisters Azubia and Ellen. On most trees they have Geertie's Vincent passing away in 1798. I would like to believe that we are related to the Ryker's with there family history but I have seen no proof. I have read about another Vincent Robbins being from North Carolina but a posting from LouAnne Winterrowd a gain stated that she had proof that Vincent and his sister Azuba were from New Jersey. I really would appreciate your knowledge on helping solve this family mystery. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1295 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-04 21:02:49 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hi Cris, Welcome to the Group & Happy New Year to you too. No problem with the misquote. Appreciate you sharing your Robbins family. The Vincent Robins who died in Amwell Co., NJ wasn’t the Vincent Robins who went to KY to fight the Indians as you probably know. Anyhow, it does sounds like a good story. The following is from Sarah Robbins Lehman’s work, Robbins of Randolph County, NC 1750-1880. I don’t have her sources so I can’t verify what I’m giving you. Vincent Robins born 1765 in Rowan Co., NC & died 1798 in Shelby Co., Ky. He married Charity Ryker b. 1771, d. 1861 on 12 -22-1787 in Jefferson Co., KY. Source for this marriage is Kentucky Compiled Marriages. Vincent Robins was the son of William Robbins b. abt. 1733 & his wife Elizabeth Bryant 1738-1787. Vincent’s father according to Mrs. Lehman was Elisha Robins. She writes Elisha was buried on land he owned in Randolph Co., NC. There was another researcher John German who was examining this line before he died a coupl e of years ago. John contacted me to see if we could link Elisha to a couple of the NJ Elisha Robins’. We were not able to find any evidence that an Elisha Robins migrated from NJ to Randolph Co., NC. John’s theory was Elisha Robins wasn’t the father of William Robbins b. abt. 1733. I have no idea of the accuracy of Elisha Robbins being or not being the father of William Robbins. If you are able to contact LouAnne Winterrowd, please ask her to provide the proof she has for Vincent Robins & his sister Azuba migrating from NJ. I understand the difficulty you have in locating the parents of Peter R obbins of Brown Co., OH. Since you & your cousin have worked on this family puzzle for many years with no success, I’d suggest you try to find a Robbins who is willing to take a Y-DNA test. This would be proof that the descendants of your Peter Robbins belong to the Daniel Robins, Sr. 1627-1714 NJ family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 6:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join C Happy New Year Sara, Sorry that I quoted you as the person who wrote about Vincent and Azuba Robbins Washburn. The person who wrote that was LouAnne Winterrowd on genealogy.com. My 3rd Great Grand Father was Peter Robbins from New Hope , Br own County Ohio ( 1810-1892 ). I have been working on connecting the Ohio family back to the New jersey families. I read the goodspeed stories about the Robbins in Amwell as well as your Book on the Robbins in New Jer sey. I have communicated with a distant cousin who has been working on this puzzle for many years. We are related through the above Peter. She believes that Peter's father was Vincent Robbins who came to Kentucky along with his sister Azuba and George Washburn to help fight the Indians. Vincent was on a 1820 Census in Brown County Ohio and the children ages matched up very well with our family. His age from that census was over 45 year old . There is also a belief that Vincent Married Geertie Ryker in Kentucky. There is proof that that she married a Vincent Robbins and they had children in Kentucky before 1798. The problem is our Ohio family started in 18 08 with a Vincent H. Robbins followed by our Peter in 1810 and then sisters Azubia and Ellen. On most trees they have Geertie's Vincent passing away in 1798. I would like to believe that we are related to the Ryker's with there family history but I have seen no proof. I have read about another Vincent Robbins being from North Carolina but a posting from LouAnne Winterrowd ag ain stated that she had proof that Vincent and his sister Azuba were from New Jersey. I really would appreciate your knowledge on helping solve this family mystery. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1296 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-04 21:08:14 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Cris, Correction. I meant to say William’s father according to Mrs. Lehman was Elisha Robins, not Vincent. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:03 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Hi Cris, Welcome to the Group & Happy New Year to you too. No problem with the misquote. Appreciate you sharing your Robbins family. The Vincent Robins who died in Amwell Co., NJ wasn’t the Vincent Robins who went to KY to fight the Indians as you probably know. Anyhow, it does sounds like a good story. The following is from Sarah Robbins Lehman’s work, Robbins of Randolph County, NC 1750-1880. I don’t have her sources so I can’t verify what I’m giving you. Vincent Robins born 1765 in Rowan Co., NC & died 1798 in Shelby Co., Ky. He married Charity Ryker b. 1771, d. 1861 on 12 -22-1787 in Jefferson Co., KY. Source for this marriage is Kentucky Compiled Marriages. Vincent Robins was the son of William Robbins b. abt. 1733 & his wife Elizabeth Bryant 1738-1787. Vincent’s father according to Mrs. Lehman was Elisha Robins. She writes Elisha was buried on land he owned in Randolph Co., NC. There was another researcher John German who was examining this line before he died a coupl e of years ago. John contacted me to see if we could link Elisha to a couple of the NJ Elisha Robins’. We were not able to find any evidence that an Elisha Robins migrated from NJ to Randolph Co., NC. John’s theory was Elisha Robins wasn’t the father of William Robbins b. abt. 1733. I have no idea of the accuracy of Elisha Robbins being or not being the father of William Robbins. If you are able to contact LouAnne Winterrowd, please ask her to provide the proof she has for Vincent Robins & his sister Azuba migrating from NJ. I understand the difficulty you have in locating the parents of Peter R obbins of Brown Co., OH. Since you & your cousin have worked on this family puzzle for many years with no success, I’d suggest you try to find a Robbins who is willing to take a Y-DNA test. This would be proof that the descendants of your Peter Robbins belong to the Daniel Robins, Sr. 1627-1714 NJ family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 6:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join C Happy New Year Sara, Sorry that I quoted you as the person who wrote about Vincent and Azuba Robbins Washburn. The person who wrote that was LouAnne Winterrowd on genealogy.com. My 3rd Great Grand Father was Peter Robbins from New Hope , Br own County Ohio ( 1810-1892 ). I have been working on connecting the Ohio family back to the New jersey families. I read the goodspeed stories about the Robbins in Amwell as well as your Book on the Robbins in New Jer sey. I have communicated with a distant cousin who has been working on this puzzle for many years. We are related through the above Peter. She believes that Peter's father was Vincent Robbins who came to Kentucky along with his sister Azuba and George Washburn to help fight the Indians. Vincent was on a 1820 Census in Brown County Ohio and the children ages matched up very well with our family. His age from that census was over 45 year old . There is also a belief that Vincent Married Geertie Ryker in Kentucky. There is proof that that she married a Vincent Robbins and they had children in Kentucky before 1798. The problem is our Ohio family started in 18 08 with a Vincent H. Robbins followed by our Peter in 1810 and then sisters Azubia and Ellen. On most trees they have Geertie's Vincent passing away in 1798. I would like to believe that we are related to the Ryker's with there family history but I have seen no proof. I have read about another Vincent Robbins being from North Carolina but a posting from LouAnne Winterrowd ag ain stated that she had proof that Vincent and his sister Azuba were from New Jersey. I really would appreciate your knowledge on helping solve this family mystery. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1297 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-05 07:07:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New to Group Message: Thanks, didn't expect the Daniel ROBINS name variation. This will lead the way. Jack -----Original Message----- From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 6:44 pm Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New to Group Welcome to the Group, The line of Ephraim Robins & Mary Beck has been determined through Y-DNA testing to be descendants of Daniel Robins 1627-1714 & Hope Potter. A brief outline. It appears you already have a good paper trail from Rebecca Robbins Regar to Ephraim & Mary Beck Robins. Your ancestor Rebecca Robbins 1832-1914 wife of Henry Loor Regar, daughter Stephen Robbins & Eliza Stillwagon. Stephen Robbins was the son of Aaron Robins abt. 1784-1874 & his first wife Elvira Longford. Aaron Robins was the son of Ephraim Robins abt. 1758-1850 & his wife Mary Beck. Ephraim Robins was the son of Ephraim Robins abt. 1708 -1759 & his wife Mercy Cox abt. 1720 Monmouth Co., NJ d. aft 1802. Ephraim Robins 1708 was the son of Aaron Robins, Sr. 1683-1759 & his first wife. Her name is unknown. Aaron’s second wife was Elizabeth Arney widow of John Arney. Aaron Robins, Sr. & Elizabeth Arney had no children toge ther. Aaron Robins, Sr. was the son of Daniel Robins, Sr. 1627 Scotland, 1714 Crosswicks, NJ. & his wife Hope Potter. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] New to Group My 2nd great grandmother was Rebecca Robbins 1832-1914 Connellsville, Fayette Co., PA and I am looking to connect to the Robbins of N.J. The oldest connected relative is Ephraim Robbins 1758-1850 and wife Mary Beck 175 9 Allentown Monmouth, NJ. Would appreciate any help you could offer. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1298 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-05 09:23:06 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Hello Sara, I was reading old post's and came across this one about Sincy. This Sincy had a Son named Vincent who they claimed went to Canada. I dismissed this Vincent as being a possible 4th Great Grand father due to the story of Sincy coming directly from Ireland. I thought your information of him coming from New Jersey was intriguing. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1299 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-05 10:29:23 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hello Sara, I just wanted to let you know that I have taken the Y-DNA on family tree that is how I came across Murray. On that website I have a connection to Blatchley Loyd Robins with Murray and Roy Robbins. I was impressed with both of there family tree's. The only difference they have is who was was Daniel / Sara Blatchley Robins father. Roy had Job as his father and Murray had Joshua. I read the will of Job and there was no mention of a chil d named Daniel. Murray had a little information on Joshua and it seemed logical to me that he was the father. I have not ever communicated with LouAnne Winterrowd and cannot find anyway email source to get in touch with her. I have a distant cousin ( Rita Anne Islo ) who lives down by Brown County Ohio and has done a lot of r ecord searches in the county records as well as Grave marker searches. I don't know if she is a member of this group but if she isn't can I ask her if she is interested ? She is a valuable person in this quest to conne ct the Ohio Robbins back to New Jersey. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1300 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-05 10:44:06 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Cris, None of the Sincy Robbins descendants until recently have wanted to explore the possibility of a relationship to the Daniel Robins family. I’m working at this time with one of the Sincy family descendants who has been v ery open & willing to examine their family history. He has done a great job with his paper research. He is connected through a maternal line so doesn’t carry the Robbins surname however, he agrees that after all these y ears, Y-DNA is necessary & is actively looking for a Robbins candidate. The story of the elusive Sincy Robbins from Ireland may not be entirely correct. This family is now a work in progress so I won’t comment on Vincen t Robbins but can’t rule anything out right now. My theory is still the descendants of Sincy Robbins ( if that was his correct first name which is questionable) are related to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 9:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Hello Sara, I was reading old post's and came across this one about Sincy. This Sincy had a Son named Vincent who they claimed went to Canada. I dismissed this Vincent as being a possible 4th Great Grand father due to the story of Sincy coming directly from Ireland. I thought your information of him coming from New Jersey was intriguing. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1301 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-01-05 13:43:59 Subject:Re: New Member Request to join Message: Having taken the Big Y test in FTDNA, the matches I get in the test does confirm a perfect NC match with my NJ/Canada dna. This of course is a different test than the standard YDNA test, as it is autosomal vs the marker theories in the Y-DNA. But, German I believe was correct with his assumptions. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1302 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-05 16:35:10 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hi Cris, That’s really great you have taken the DNA test & can be sure you are a Daniel Robins descendant. Welcome to the Daniel Robins family. Thinking about the name LouAnne Winterrowd. She sounds very familiar to me & I may have had contact by snail mail with her before everybody used the internet. Maybe she isn’t around anymore or no longer involved in gene alogy so tracking her may not be possible. I’m certain your cousin Rita Anne would be welcomed here & her input appreciated if she is interested in joining the group. Are you referring to the Will of Job Robins of Amwell, Hunterdon Co., NJ written 1-19, 1756 & proved 5-17- 1756 or another Job Robins? The Will of Job Robins who died in 1756 names his wife Abigail, children, Daniel, Rachel, Amy, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth, & Lydia. Names his mother Mary Robins. Daniel Robins & wife Abigail were the Executors. Vincent Robins was a witness & did the Inventory for Job’s estate. I’m unable to understand how your line of Peter Robbins relates to Murr’s & Roy’s other than your DNA matches their DNA. Please fill me in on the connection or relationship if possible. If Vincent & Charity Ryker Robins of NC are Peter’s parents, it wouldn’t be a surprise that your DNA matches other Daniel Robins descendants. John German was the first person to establish through DNA testing that some of the NC & KY Robbins were Daniel Robins descendants. Namely Joseph Robins, Jr. & Richard Robins. John’s wife Nelda’s Levi Robbins line settled in KY & they also match. John German is very much missed by those of us who knew him well. Glenda Robbins a really good friend to John & I were remembering him this past Christmas. He was a good man & one of the best Robbins researchers we have known. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:29 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Hello Sara, I just wanted to let you know that I have taken the Y-DNA on family tree that is how I came across Murray. On that website I have a connection to Blatchley Loyd Robins with Murray and Roy Robbins. I was impressed with b oth of there family tree's. The only difference they have is who was was Daniel / Sara Blatchley Robins father. Roy had Job as his father and Murray had Joshua. I read the will of Job and there was no mention of a child named Daniel. Murray had a little information on Joshua and it seemed logical to me that he was the father. I have not ever communicated with LouAnne Winterrowd and cannot find anyway email source to get in touch with her. I have a distant cousin ( Rita Anne Islo ) who lives down by Brown County Ohio and has done a lot of re cord searches in the county records as well as Grave marker searches. I don't know if she is a member of this group but if she isn't can I ask her if she is interested ? She is a valuable person in this quest to connec t the Ohio Robbins back to New Jersey. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1303 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-01-05 17:53:10 Subject:"Robins/Robbins of New Jersey", 2006 Message: Sara, In your and John Taylor's 2006 book "Robins/Robbins of New Jersey" on page 25 it shows the marriage year for John Bedant Robbins (1755-1823) and Temperance Sheppard (1762-1821) as 1799. Is that marriage year correct? Also in the same book on page 332 in info originally provided partially by me, "Martha Titus" should be "Martha Everitt/Everett". Also, the index should be changed. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1304 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-01-05 18:21:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] "Robins/Robbins of New Jersey", 2006 Message: Janet came over with hot dish, potatoes, gravy, green beans and apple dessert from work party. Said Steve was interested in a mail run. Dad doesn't know what you told him, or what night you may stay. He did a nice thing and put the quilt in the dryer. Mom Sent from my iPad > On Jan 5, 2017, at 6:53 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Sara, > > In your and John Taylor's 2006 book "Robins/Robbins of New Jersey" on page > 25 it shows the marriage year for John Bedant Robbins (1755-1823) and > Temperance Sheppard (1762-1821) as 1799. Is that marriage year correct? > > Also in the same book on page 332 in info originally provided partially by > me, "Martha Titus" should be "Martha Everitt/Everett". Also, the index > should be changed. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1305 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-05 20:29:58 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] "Robins/Robbins of New Jersey", 2006 Message: Marshall, The correct marriage date for John Bedant Robins & Temperance Sheppard is Nov. 12, 1779 not 1799. This is a typo. Also thanks for the Martha Titus/ Martha Everitt/Everett correction. Just a comment about the genealogy we have on pages 17-38. I've always had a problem figuring out those lines (--) that indicate first generation, second generation etc. At the time it was the best we could do. However, there has been so many improvements in formats since 2006. Also some of our unsolved mysteries have been solved with continuing research in the past 10 years. I'm working on a publication that includes these updates & other new discoveries. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 5:53 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] "Robins/Robbins of New Jersey", 2006 Sara, In your and John Taylor's 2006 book "Robins/Robbins of New Jersey" on page 25 it shows the marriage year for John Bedant Robbins (1755-1823) and Temperance Sheppard (1762-1821) as 1799. Is that marriage year correct? Also in the same book on page 332 in info originally provided partially by me, "Martha Titus" should be "Martha Everitt/Everett". Also, the index should be changed. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1306 Sender:"Stromberger, John" Post Date/Time:2017-01-05 20:51:17 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA Message: Another bit of circumstantial evidence is that I have at least four Ancestry DNA matches with ICW ancestors being the parents of Mary Evans, John Evans and Sarah Denny. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:41 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > John, > > Yes, there is a lot of confusion with the George, David or Jesse Robbins family & many unanswered questions. My suggestion if possible is to find a Robbins from your line & have them do Y-DNA testing. It would point y ou to the right Robbins family. > > Some researchers have your George Robbins with ancestors born in Gloucestershire, England. However, my thoughts are everything on ancestry is subject to error without reliable sources. > > Please let us know if you find the answers you need. My best to you in your Robbins search. > > Sara > > > > > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 11:35 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA > > > > > > Yes Sara, I've seen the death certificates. But notice I also have an 1850 census that puts the brothers in the family with father George along with my ancestor Daniel as another brother. I make no claims to having this family figured out, I assure you. My original family info (unsourced) had Nancy's maiden name as Hansel, but I deferred to the Cartright based on the death certificates, which is also suspect to me because of the father's name listed. Waitiing for that person to show up with a rock solid tree and put me in my place. Hasn't happened yet, so I'm grasping at straws trying to find a solid connection. > > > > As for the y-DNA and stuff, this is not my paternal line. When I referenced DNA, I was referring to the fact that my father's autosomnal test on Ancestry yields a significant amount of hits in the Monongolia/Dunkard/ Greene PA area, while my mother's, checked as a control, yields almost none. > > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:41 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > John, > > I wasn’t sure but assuming from what you said that you have linked your George Robbins family to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 descendants through Y-DNA testing? > > I looked at your tree on ancestry & did a brief search for the Andrew J. Robbins that you have on your tree b. 4-1-1844, WV, d. 11-14-1921. Andrew J. Robbins has a PA Death Certificate at ancestry that names his paren ts as David Robbins & Nancy Cartwright. Andrew J. Robbins died at Port Marion, Fayette Co, Pa & is buried at Oak Grove Cemetery, Uniontown, PA along with his wife Arie Ellen. > > Also looked at Jesse Franklin Robbins b. abt. 1837, d. 11-24-1906 in Uniontown, Fayette Co., PA. Jesse has a PA Death Certificate too. He died at age 69 no birthdate given but names his parents as Jesse Robbins & Nanc y Cartwright. I believe the father of Andrew & Jesse was named Jesse David Robbins or David Jesse Robbins. It appears to me that he is the same man on both certificates. > > Hopefully this may be helpful to you. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 7:13 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA > > > > > > The reason I made the connection at all was because two documented sons of my George, Jesse Franklin Robbins and Andrew Jackson Robbins, are found in the 1880 census in Monongolia County with their families. > > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:56 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > John, > > Thanks for sharing your ancestry with us. I was curious what sources inclined you to think your George Robbins b. 1792 was the son of William Robbins & Mary Evans? Is there a birthdate & death date for William Robbin s? A marriage record for William to Mary Evans? Did William Robbins have a Will? Any idea where William & Mary are buried? > > Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 6:13 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robbins/Mary Evans --- son George - SW PA > > > > > > I've read the back topics on this family, centered in SW PA/Monongolia WV, and I was wondering what the source was for George's birthday of 1800? Based on DNA results I'm pretty sure I have a strong connection to the geographical area and I have strong Robbins ancestry, so I'm inclined to think my George Robbins ancestor is the George son of William & Mary, but my George has an estimated birth year (through census records) of 1792. Would really like to correspond with any interested parties about this family. Thank you very much. > > > > John Stromberger > > > > > > "This message and any attachment constitute a PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL communication and may contain legally privileged information. Do not share any information from this communication with any one unless you have r eceived permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, further distribution or use of these items is prohibited. In that case, do not read, copy or use the information contained herein or disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message and then delete it from your system." > > > > > > "This message and any attachment constitute a PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL communication and may contain legally privileged information. Do not share any information from this communication with any one unless you have r eceived permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, further distribution or use of these items is prohibited. In that case, do not read, copy or use the information contained herein or disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message and then delete it from your system." > > > -- "This message and any attachment constitute a PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL communication and may contain legally privileged information. Do not share any information from this communication with any one unless you have received permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, further distribution or use of these items is prohibited. In that case, do not read, copy or use the information contained herein or disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message and then delete it from your system." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1307 Sender:"ladyfan3@..." Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 08:28:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: I am from Daniel Robbins who came from Carolina to VA and then KY and my G Grand father is Joshua Robbins On Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:44 PM, "'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Cris,None of the Sincy Robbins descendants until recently have wanted to explore the possibility of a relationship to the Daniel Robins family. I’m working at this time with one of the Sincy family descendants who has been very open & willing to examine their family history. He has done a great job with his paper research. He is connected through a maternal line so doesn’t carry the Robbins surname however, he agrees that after a ll these years, Y-DNA is necessary & is actively looking for a Robbins candidate. The story of the elusive Sincy Robbins from Ireland may not be entirely correct. This family is now a work in progress so I won’t comment on Vincent Robbins but can’t rule anything out right now.My theory is still the descendants of Sincy Robbins ( if that was his correct first name which is questionable) are related to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family . Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 9:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Hello Sara, I was reading old post's and came across this one about Sincy. This Sincy had a Son named Vincent who they claimed went to Canada. I dismisse d this Vincent as being a possible 4th Great Grand father due to the story of Sincy coming directly from Ireland. I thought your information of him coming from New Jersey was intriguing. 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Message: Welcome to our new members, from Shirley Robbins Hawley. 1830 census Athens, Pa. Peter Robbins. A marriage certificate of my Grandparents, John Robbins to Dora Van Houten, in which his Father was listed as Edward Curran, but always known as Edward Robbins and buried in Waupun, Wi. Cemetery as Edward Robbins. A hand written marriage certificate from Fond du Lac Co, Wi. Dated 1853 of Caroline Robbins and John Fairbanks. Her Mother and FatherAbigail and Peter Robbins. James Robbins attending. It is hard to read. 1860 Waupun, Wi township census Grover Mason 70 farmer NY Grover Abigail 57 wife. NY Robbins Edward 24 labor NY. My G Grandfather Robbins Vestalina 20 wife NY My G Grandmother Robbins Margaret 1 Wi Robbins James 29 farmer. NY(Pa)? Robbins Arivilla 22 wife. NY Robbins James. 4 Wi Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1309 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 13:44:24 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hello Sara, I went back and re-checked Job, he didn't have mention a son named Joshua. That was the difference between Roy and Murray's tree. Murray had a direct Joshua 1706 to Daniel / Sara Blatchely Robbins then to Blatchley Loy d Robbins. Roy's had Job 1699 to Joshua / Daniel and then Blatchley Robbins. After Issac Robins ( Married to Azubia Thatcher ? Robins ) died after 1741 the land they lived on was turned down by Sons Vincent and Joseph and finally sold to Isaac's brother Job. ( Goodspeed Robins history ) I kn ow you already know this story but the date of Azubia's Death is listed as the same as Isaac's 1741. That weird name Azubia/ Azuba kept going in the Ohio line throughout the 1800's. I suspect that Azubia lived longer th an 1741 and possibly a Grand Mother to Peter's ( 1810 -1894 ) father ? Both my sister and I have a hard believing that Vincent and Charity "Geertie" Ryker are our relatives. Due to Vincent being thought of as being dead in 1798. The Ryker's and children of Charity Ryker Robbins moved on t o Indiana at the same time our Robbins line was being born. The Robbins and the Washburn families were very close. Azuba Robbins Washburn ( 1868-1830 ) had a son named Cornelius he named his son Vincent Robbins Washbur n ( 1814-1891 ). I will message my distant cousin and see if she would want to join the group. She would be a great asset to the group. There is also another lady on Ancestry who has a Isaac H. Robbins 1774-1860 born in Maryland and w as 1812 vet who was given land bounty in Miami ,Logan County Ohio. She has a awesome family tree and is also stuck in trying to connect back to the either a New Jersey or Mass. family. Could I ask her to join she may o r may not be a Daniel Robbins descendant. I also am confused on how my Ohio family connect's with the Canadian family as well. On the Y-DNA results of DYS 464 can you tell me what that means being a 15-15-15-18 ? Roy and Murray are 15-15-15-17. I wish my Fat her knew that he was related back to Daniel and he was here back in 1652 in this country I'm sure that he would have been very proud of that as I am too. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1310 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 16:06:08 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Message: Hi Shirley, The man Sincy Robbins is a mystery. The name Sincy hasn't been found anywhere in the Daniel Robins family as far as I know. From a Bible record, Sincy was supposed to have come to NJ or PA from Ireland with four or five sons. I've looked for the Bible record for years with no success. Apparently there is one according to the writings of Sister Mary Euphrasia Faus 1894-1975. She referenced she had a photo copy so I'm taking the good nun's word that there is or was a Bible record. How accurate the record is & written by whom & when it was written is not known. This is a far out speculation on my part but I've wondered if the name Sincy could have been misinterpreted or misspelled & was Vince or Vincy Robbins. A look at the original record could shed some light on the name if it ever located. One Sincy Robbins descendant is trying to get DNA testing. If possible, it will answer the question of their relationship to Daniel Robins & NJ descendants. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:24 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Who was Sincy Robins? Welcome to our new members, from Shirley Robbins Hawley. 1830 census Athens, Pa. Peter Robbins. A marriage certificate of my Grandparents, John Robbins to Dora Van Houten, in which his Father was listed as Edward Curran, but always known as Edward Robbins and buried in Waupun, Wi. Cemetery as Edward Robbins. A hand written marriage certificate from Fond du Lac Co, Wi. Dated 1853 of Caroline Robbins and John Fairbanks. Her Mother and FatherAbigail and Peter Robbins. James Robbins attending. It is hard to read. 1860 Waupun, Wi township census Grover Mason 70 farmer NY Grover Abigail 57 wife. NY Robbins Edward 24 labor NY. My G Grandfather Robbins Vestalina 20 wife NY My G Grandmother Robbins Margaret 1 Wi Robbins James 29 farmer. NY(Pa)? Robbins Arivilla 22 wife. NY Robbins James. 4 Wi Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1311 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 16:44:01 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Cris, Asubia Robins was living according to Isaac’s Will when it was proved on 10-22-1741. Sometimes the date the husband’s Will was proved is used for a wife’s death date because there is no further record for her after that date. I believe there is a possibility Lou Ann Winterrowd may still be around. I see where she published The Family of William Grant & Allied Washburn, Robbins & other families in 2008. Maybe you read what she posted o n rootsweb on 12-14-2012 titled VINCENT ROBBINS WAS BORN IN NEW JERSEY AND NOT IN NORTH CAROLINA !! This can’t be the same Vincent Robins who died in 1760 at Amwell, Hunterdon Co., NJ. What she writes has a ring of tru th to it. There must be another Vincent Robbins who had a sister named Asubia Robins Washburn. This really interests me. I’m going to see if I can contact Lou Ann at her last given address. Have your contacts that want to join get in touch with Tod Robbins. The more researchers the better. It benefits all of us. On the DNA, it sounds like a mutation. We have other members who are better qualified than I am to explain the details. Marshall Lake. Chris Robbins are two that come to mind. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 1:44 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Hello Sara, I went back and re-checked Job, he didn't have mention a son named Joshua. That was the difference between Roy and Murray's tree. Murray had a direct Joshua 1706 to Daniel / Sara Blatchely Robbins then to Blatchley Loyd Robbins. Roy's had Job 1699 to Joshua / Daniel and then Blatchley Robbins. After Issac Robins ( Married to Azubia Thatcher ? Robins ) died after 1741 the land they lived on was turned down by Sons Vincent and Joseph and finally sold to Isaac's brother Job. ( Goodspeed Robins history ) I kno w you already know this story but the date of Azubia's Death is listed as the same as Isaac's 1741. That weird name Azubia/ Azuba kept going in the Ohio line throughout the 1800's. I suspect that Azubia lived longer tha n 1741 and possibly a Grand Mother to Peter's ( 1810 -1894 ) father ? Both my sister and I have a hard believing that Vincent and Charity "Geertie" Ryker are our relatives. Due to Vincent being thought of as being dead in 1798. The Ryker's and children of Charity Ryker Robbins moved on to Indiana at the same time our Robbins line was being born. The Robbins and the Washburn families were very close. Azuba Robbins Washburn ( 1868-1830 ) had a son named Cornelius he named his son Vincent Robbins Washburn ( 1814-1891 ). I will message my distant cousin and see if she would want to join the group. She would be a great asset to the group. There is also another lady on Ancestry who has a Isaac H. Robbins 1774-1860 born in Maryland and wa s 1812 vet who was given land bounty in Miami ,Logan County Ohio. She has a awesome family tree and is also stuck in trying to connect back to the either a New Jersey or Mass. family. Could I ask her to join she may or may not be a Daniel Robbins descendant. I also am confused on how my Ohio family connect's with the Canadian family as well. On the Y-DNA results of DYS 464 can you tell me what that means being a 15-15-15-18 ? Roy and Murray are 15-15-15-17. I wish my Fath er knew that he was related back to Daniel and he was here back in 1652 in this country I'm sure that he would have been very proud of that as I am too. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1312 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 17:46:39 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Cris, Here is a theory of mine for you on your Vincent Robbins. Vincent Robins son of Isaac & Asubia Thatcher? Robins died in 1760 at Amwell. The names we have of his children Obadiah, Sarah, John, & William are from the 1757 Will of Vincent’s father-in-law Thomas Kitchen. Vincent had no Will when he died in 1760. However, it’s possible Vincent may have produced two more children between 1757 & his death in 1760, namely your Vincent & his sister Asubia? This is why Vincent & Asubia weren’t named in their grandfather’s Will in 1757. Any thoughts ? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 4:44 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Cris, Asubia Robins was living according to Isaac’s Will when it was proved on 10-22-1741. Sometimes the date the husband’s Will was proved is used for a wife’s death date because there is no further record for her after that date. I believe there is a possibility Lou Ann Winterrowd may still be around. I see where she published The Family of William Grant & Allied Washburn, Robbins & other families in 2008. Maybe you read what she posted o n rootsweb on 12-14-2012 titled VINCENT ROBBINS WAS BORN IN NEW JERSEY AND NOT IN NORTH CAROLINA !! This can’t be the same Vincent Robins who died in 1760 at Amwell, Hunterdon Co., NJ. What she writes has a ring of tru th to it. There must be another Vincent Robbins who had a sister named Asubia Robins Washburn. This really interests me. I’m going to see if I can contact Lou Ann at her last given address. Have your contacts that want to join get in touch with Tod Robbins. The more researchers the better. It benefits all of us. On the DNA, it sounds like a mutation. We have other members who are better qualified than I am to explain the details. Marshall Lake. Chris Robbins are two that come to mind. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 1:44 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Hello Sara, I went back and re-checked Job, he didn't have mention a son named Joshua. That was the difference between Roy and Murray's tree. Murray had a direct Joshua 1706 to Daniel / Sara Blatchely Robbins then to Blatchley Loyd Robbins. Roy's had Job 1699 to Joshua / Daniel and then Blatchley Robbins. After Issac Robins ( Married to Azubia Thatcher ? Robins ) died after 1741 the land they lived on was turned down by Sons Vincent and Joseph and finally sold to Isaac's brother Job. ( Goodspeed Robins history ) I kno w you already know this story but the date of Azubia's Death is listed as the same as Isaac's 1741. That weird name Azubia/ Azuba kept going in the Ohio line throughout the 1800's. I suspect that Azubia lived longer tha n 1741 and possibly a Grand Mother to Peter's ( 1810 -1894 ) father ? Both my sister and I have a hard believing that Vincent and Charity "Geertie" Ryker are our relatives. Due to Vincent being thought of as being dead in 1798. The Ryker's and children of Charity Ryker Robbins moved on to Indiana at the same time our Robbins line was being born. The Robbins and the Washburn families were very close. Azuba Robbins Washburn ( 1868-1830 ) had a son named Cornelius he named his son Vincent Robbins Washburn ( 1814-1891 ). I will message my distant cousin and see if she would want to join the group. She would be a great asset to the group. There is also another lady on Ancestry who has a Isaac H. Robbins 1774-1860 born in Maryland and wa s 1812 vet who was given land bounty in Miami ,Logan County Ohio. She has a awesome family tree and is also stuck in trying to connect back to the either a New Jersey or Mass. family. Could I ask her to join she may or may not be a Daniel Robbins descendant. I also am confused on how my Ohio family connect's with the Canadian family as well. On the Y-DNA results of DYS 464 can you tell me what that means being a 15-15-15-18 ? Roy and Murray are 15-15-15-17. I wish my Fath er knew that he was related back to Daniel and he was here back in 1652 in this country I'm sure that he would have been very proud of that as I am too. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1313 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 17:59:08 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hi Cris, I've done a lot of research on the Canadian Robbins and I'd love to help you figure it out or at least figure out where you can start! First, how many YDNA markers did you test? 37? 67? Less? Second, how many YDNA markers do you match with Murray and Roy? (For example, the answer would be something like 37 with 2 mismatches...or however many markers you tested with the number of markers you don't match.) And third, could you share your direct Robbins line back to the furthest Robbins ancestor your know? For example, mine looks like this. My grandmother is #7. And her direct line to Daniel Robbins who married Sarah Blatchley is shown here: 1 Daniel Robbins b: Bet. 1730–1740 in New Jersey, d: Bef. 1793 in Unknown (Ontario or New Jersey) + Sarah Blatchley b: 23 Nov 1739 in Sussex Co. 1758; Upper Canada in 1793, m: Abt. 1757 in New Jersey, d: Aft. 02 Apr 1814 in Thorold, Lincoln Co. Ontario ...2 Mary Robbins b: Bet. 1770–1780, d: Aft. 15 Jul 1822 in Thorold, Lincoln Co. Ontario + John Clark Sr. of Thorold b: Bet. 1760–1773 in (was likely 21 or older in 1794); made settler's petition on same day as brother in laws Joshua Robins and Blatchley Robins, m: Bef. Aug 1794 in Probably New Jersey, d: 04 Dec 1812 in Ontario, Canada ......3 Daniel Clark b: Bet. 1800–1804 in Canada, d: Bet. 19 Aug–20 Sep 1836 in Thorold twp. Lincoln Co. Ontario + Elizabeth ? b: Bet. 1790–1809, d: Bet. 1830–1836 in Thorold twp. Welland Co. Ontario .........4 Nelson Clark b: 27 Jun 1824 in Ontario, Canada (Gainsborough?), d: 05 Feb 1902 in Ingham Co. Michigan + Catherine Sloat b: 16 Jan 1834 in Ontario, Canada (St. Catherine's?), m: Abt. Jun 1851 in Canada; Her obit said she was 18 when she married., d: 24 Apr 1920 in Michigan ............5 Curtency Jane Clark b: 04 Feb 1859 in Canada, d: 19 Feb 1890 in Lansing, Ingham Co., Michigan + Oliver J. Wheeler b: 14 May 1850 in New York, m: 30 Nov 1875 in Eaton, Eaton Co., Michigan, d: 15 Mar 1918 in Grand Rapids, Kent Co., Michigan ...............6 Bertha Wheeler b: 16 Oct 1881 in Ingham Co. Michigan, d: 21 Jan 1957 in Grand Rapids, Michigan + Ernest Blett b: 11 Aug 1878 in Pierson, Montcalm Co., Michigan, m: 30 Jul 1898 in Lansing, Ingham Co., Michigan, d: 15 Jan 1952 in Grand Rapids, Michigan ..................7 Erma Mae Blett b: 31 Oct 1910 in Lamoni, Decatur Co., Iowa, d: 06 May 1991 in Lansing, Michigan Mary Robbins #2 on the list above had several siblings, one of whom is Blatchley Lloyd (Roy's ancestor). Looking forward to getting more details from you, Cris! Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1314 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 18:30:36 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hi Tracey, On the familytree DNA I did the 67 marker test. The only difference on the Y-DNA chart was the DYS 464 15-15-15-18 for mine and 15-15-15-17 for both Roy Robbins and Dale Charles Robbins. I read a posting from LouAnne Winterrowd that Vincent and Sister Azuba Robbins Washburn were born in Sussex County N.J. Possible that is where the Robbins and the Washburn knew each other. After leaving Sussex county they moved to Washington County PA. and then moved onto Kentucky along with the Washburn and Grant families to help fight the Indians. After reading email's from Murray about the upheaval in Sussex County during the Rev. War times it's no wonder why The Robbins families spread out. I have no idea if my line were Quakers or not but maybe fighting India ns was better than fighting the British. I found Evidence of a Vincent being in the Indian wars as a spy. Thanks for any help I appreciate it. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1315 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 18:48:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Wow Cris! That's great! When you log into the FTDNA site, what does it say for your "Genetic Distance" to Dale and Roy? And how closely do you match Murray? Tracey On 1/6/2017 7:30 PM, crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Hi Tracey, > > On the familytree DNA I did the 67 marker test. The only difference > on the Y-DNA chart was the DYS 464 15-15-15-18 for mine and > 15-15-15-17 for both Roy Robbins and Dale Charles Robbins. I read a > posting from LouAnne Winterrowd that Vincent and Sister Azuba Robbins > Washburn were born in Sussex County N.J. Possible that is where the > Robbins and the Washburn knew each other. After leaving Sussex county > they moved to Washington County PA. and then moved onto Kentucky along > with the Washburn and Grant families to help fight the Indians. > > After reading email's from Murray about the upheaval in Sussex County > during the Rev. War times it's no wonder why The Robbins families > spread out. I have no idea if my line were Quakers or not but maybe > fighting Indians was better than fighting the British. I found > Evidence of a Vincent being in the Indian wars as a spy. > > Thanks for any help I appreciate it. > > Cris Robbins > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1316 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 19:07:38 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hi Sara, The problem with Vincent and his sister being related back to Vincent and Ann Kitchen was that Azuba was born in 1768-1830. She died in Brown County Ohio, The only information on Vincent is on a 1820 Census that stated that he was over 45 yrs old. That makes 1775 the latest year he was alive. It seems logical that both were born after the first Vincent passed around 1760. What usually happen to spouses after there husband died ? Did Job take care of Azubia Thatcher Robins after Isaac passed or did her kids take her in? My belief is where ever she went my family originated since that fun ky name stayed with the Robbins families in Ohio during the 1800's. I messaged both of those ladies to see if they would be interested in joining the group. Rita Anne has a lot of research including a lot on the Rykers and Washburn's . Thank you very much taking interest in solving thi s mystery. I'm more of a novice gemologist but I make up for it by persistence. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1317 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 19:47:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hi Tracey, For both Roy and Dale Robbins there is a 3 Generation distance. I didn't find Murray on my list. On ancestry while searching on Blatchley I came across his family tree and was impressed by it and asked him if I could have access to it. Both Roy Robbins and his information looked very close. Do you know a lady named Laura Wade who is on ancestry? Is she a member of this group ? Her family tree is very large but I noticed that she copied both my parents pictures and grand parents as well. Her information on Blatchley Robbins wasn't as accurate and she said he was related through to Jonathon 1720-1796. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1318 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 20:02:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Gotcha. That makes sense because Murray doesn't have the surname Robbins! Sorry. I forgot that! Well a 3 genetic distance is definitely close! This is what the FTDNA web site says about it: 3 or 4 Related A 63/67 or 64/67 match between two men who share the same surname (or a variant) means that they are likely to share a common ancestor within the genealogical time frame. The common ancestor is probably not extremely recent but is likely within the range of most well-established surname lineages in Western Europe. It is most likely that they matched 24/25, 36/37, or 37/37 on previous Y-DNA tests, and mismatches are within DYS458, DYS459, DYS449, DYS464, DYS576, DYS570, and CDY. Have you looked at any deed records in Brown or Clermont Cos. to see what other Robbins, Peter had land dealings with? Sometimes those can be very helpful especially when you can't find a will. Of course, figuring out whether Vincent is his father or not would be best next step! And if Peter had land dealings either with Vincent or other Robbins, or if we could establish the names of all of Vincent's kids, that would be helpful too! Tracey On 1/6/2017 8:47 PM, crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Tracey, For both Roy and Dale Robbins there is a 3 Generation distance. I didn't find Murray on my list. On ancestry while searching on Blatchley I came across his family tree and was impressed by it and asked him if I could have access to it. Both Roy Robbins and his information looked very close. Do you know a lady named Laura Wade who is on ancestry? Is she a member of this group ? Her family tree is very large but I noticed that she copied both my parents pictures and grand parents as well. Her information on Blatchley Robbins wasn't as accurate and she said he was related through to Jonathon 1720-1796. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1319 Sender:Murray Aspden Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 21:10:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Murray Aspden not a Robbins Message: Hi all, Have been following the numerous postings since the beginning of the year. Cris did contact me regarding my Teams’ Public Member Tree on Ancestry in reference to Blatchley Lloyd Robbins. But I have never had any genetic testing done on myself. So was slightly amuzed by the references to me. Thanks Tracey for jumping into the discussion. When I refer to the Teams’ Public Member Tree, “The M. B. Aspden Family Tree” on Ancestry.com , it is the common database for a large number of researchers/relies who have and some still do contribute to this shared website. Roy Robbins and his first cousin Dale Robbins have been most helpful. In comparing the Robbins lineage for Blatchley Lloyd Robbins this afternoon, I need to check with Roy and Dale to see what they have. My sources have both Roy and Dale listed. Perhaps Roy and Dale can sort out the confusion. Cris it is your sharp eyes which spotted this discrepancy. In the mean time this week, Laura Wade and I have been trying to sort out another aspect of the Rob(b)ins in Upper Canada. Thanks to a down load of a Headstone of Daniel Robins b. 1765 (NJ ?) d. 1844 Gainsborough Townsh ip, Province of Canada (West) by Jennifer Robins from Leofoss1 Public Member Tree at the beginning of the week, I was startled to see Daniel who married Rachel had a much larger family than hitherto thought of. While La ura and I had James Kirk Robbins as a son, Laura Wade added the others that Jennifer and Leo Foss have listed. I believe Jennifer is a member of the Robbins Family Society. Also Richard Robbins of Hazel Park MI has been involved in the Canadian families as well as Marg Spence nee Robins and Glenn King of Nova Scotia. Val King was a member of the South Jersey Robins Yahoo! Group. Have not heard from her in a few year. Val spent years collecting Rob(b)ins data. What we discovered is that we are all related. Tracey, perhaps you may have records from the years 1800 to 1851 for Upper Canada and then Canada West. You have shared the 1828 census with us. This helped piece together some of the families. More recently the various cemeteries in the Niagara Peninsula have been placed online with pictures. Thus the pic that Jennifer downloaded which was a new one to me. One cemetery, Heaslip Cemetery in particular, has bee n cleaned up and the old headstone restored with many encased in cement in the ground. it was a somewhat lost cemetery covered with overgrowth and accessible only across private property along the Welland River west of Wellandport, Ontario. There is a list of headstones prior to the cleanup: http://www.interment.net/data/canada/ontario/lincoln/gainsborough/heaslip.htm and a new one done after the restoration: http://www.geneofun.on.ca/cems/ON/ONLIN15176 Both have been used to research our Rob(b)ins plus other families like the Dilts who married into the Robbins. Will post this and see what happens. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1320 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-01-06 21:09:55 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Cris, Thanks for the birthdates. I’ll cross that theory off the list. After a husband died I suppose a widow’s options were re-marriage or live with family members. From Wills we can see if the husband was wealthy enough he c ould decide to leave property & the family home to his wife for her use as long as she remained his widow. Isaac Robins’ Will mentions his mother Mary so we can assume he was caring for her in 1741. You may be right abo ut Asubia going to live with her children but we can’t be sure unless someone comes across a record. Your trait for persistence will serve you well in the search for your family history. I e-mailed Lou Ann Winterrowd & will see if I get a response. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 7:08 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Hi Sara, The problem with Vincent and his sister being related back to Vincent and Ann Kitchen was that Azuba was born in 1768-1830. She died in Brown County Ohio, The only information on Vincent is on a 1820 Census that stated that he was over 45 yrs old. That makes 1775 the latest year he was alive. It seems logical that both were born after the first Vincent passed around 1760. What usually happen to spouses after there husband died ? Did Job take care of Azubia Thatcher Robins after Isaac passed or did her kids take her in? My belief is where ever she went my family originated since that funk y name stayed with the Robbins families in Ohio during the 1800's. I messaged both of those ladies to see if they would be interested in joining the group. Rita Anne has a lot of research including a lot on the Rykers and Washburn's . Thank you very much taking interest in solving this mystery. I'm more of a novice gemologist but I make up for it by persistence. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1321 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-01-07 09:25:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hello Tracey, The children of Vincent G. Robbins ( Assumed ) are Vincent H. ( 1808-1860) Peter ( 1810-1894) Azubia ( 1812-1883 ) and Ellen ( 1812-1900 ). In 1822 there is a record of Vincent Robbins getting married to Nancy M oore and they had the following kids Alexander 1821 ,Margaret 1828 , John W. 1830 and Sarah C. born in 1835. Alexander was born just before the marriage probably from a previous marriage. There is a story in My genealogy Hound about John W. Robbins that stated that his father died when he was a boy. I have a burial record of Vincent Robins ( 4/14/1836 ) in a Veteran burial ground in New Columbia Montour County Pa. That seems to match the story pretty good. I have a theory that Vincent moved back and forth from Pennsylvania and Ohio as a migrant farm worker. On census from Hemlock PA I found Vincent Robans and there wa s quite a few Moore people there as well. Perhaps Nancy Moore ( Haynes ) was a pregnant widow and Vincent married her in 1822 ?. Also there is no record of the first set of Robbins children until the census in 1840. Af ter the death of Vincent G. sister Azubia Robins Washburn in 1830 her husband George Washburn remarried and moved to Indiana, MAYBE that is where both Vincent H and brother Peter showed up in Scott, Brown county Ohio on the 1840 Census. Cris Robbins On Friday, January 6, 2017 10:02 PM, "Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Gotcha. That makes sense because Murray doesn't have the surname Robbins! Sorry. I forgot that! Well a 3 genetic distance is definitely close! This is what the FTDNA web site says about it: 3 or 4 Related A 63/67 or 64/67 match between two men who share the same surname (or a variant) means that they are likely to share a common ancestor within the genealogical time frame. The common ancestor is pro bably not extremely recent but is likely within the range of most well-established surname lineages in Western Europe. It is most likely that they matched 24/25, 36/37, or 37/37 on previous Y-DNA tests, and mismatches a re within DYS458, DYS459, DYS449, DYS464, DYS576, DYS570, and CDY. Have you looked at any deed records in Brown or Clermont Cos. to see what other Robbins, Peter had land dealings with? Sometimes those can be very helpful especially when you can't find a will. Of course, figuring out whether Vincent is his father or not would be best next step! And if Peter had land dealings either with Vincent or other Robbins, or if we could establish the names of all of Vincent's kids, that would be helpful too! Tracey On 1/6/2017 8:47 PM, crisrobbins@ymail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Tracey, For both Roy and Dale Robbins there is a 3 Generation distance. I didn't find Murray on my list. On ancestry while searching on Blatchley I came across his family tree and was impressed by it and asked him if I could have access to it. Both Roy Robbins and his information looked very close. Do you know a lady named Laura Wade who is on ancestry? Is she a member of this group ? Her family tree is very large but I noticed that she copied both my parents pictures and grand parents as well. Her information on Blatchley Robbins wasn't as accurate and she said he was related through to Jonathon 1720-1796. 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I would like to see the "The M. B. Aspden Family Tree" but I probably need an invitation ... or maybe just a direct link? The links to a cemetery in Canada are interesting. DILS/DILTS (like ROBINS/ROBBINS) is a surname which appears often early (pre-Rev War) in Hunterdon County (as well as other counties) in New Jersey. > Have been following the numerous postings since the beginning of the > year. Cris did contact me regarding my Teams’ Public Member Tree on > Ancestry in reference to Blatchley Lloyd Robbins. But I have never had > any genetic testing done on myself. So was slightly amuzed by the > references to me. Thanks Tracey for jumping into the discussion. When I > refer to the Teams’ Public Member Tree, “The M. B. Aspden Family Tree” on > Ancestry.com , it is the common database for a > large number of researchers/relies who have and some still do contribute > to this shared website. > > There is a list of headstones prior to the cleanup: > > http://www.interment.net/data/canada/ontario/lincoln/gainsborough/heaslip.htm > > and a new one done after the restoration: > > http://www.geneofun.on.ca/cems/ON/ONLIN15176 > > Both have been used to research our Rob(b)ins plus other families like > the Dilts who married into the Robbins. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1323 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-07 11:02:57 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hello to group, There is another interested Robbins family member from Ohio who would like to join the group. Her name is Kelli Bergheimer email is kbergheimer@gmail.com She has a very accurate family tree but they are stuck on Isaac H. Robbins 1774-1860. He was born in Maryland and served in the war of 1812. He was given land warrants in Miami Logan county Ohio. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1324 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-01-07 11:46:07 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: In going through old copies I found on a pedigree chart, a Cecely or Cecilla Paisley B: 1585 of, Long Beach, Nassau, NY D: 1669 Rye, Bronx, New York http://www.f.../pedigree_chart.asp.?recid=2388323&familyid=38385 6/25/00 Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1325 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-07 13:51:55 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: kbergheimer@gmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1326 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-01-07 17:55:47 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Cris, thank you for your reply We found Peter in Athens twp in 1830. Several Robbins families in that area, related, who came from Orange Co. NY. Peter Robbins on Family Search born in Orange Co. Whose father was Job. Early Orange Co Wills, Vol II pg. 141 Job Robbins of Town of Wallkill (farmer) Liber E p. 257 Will made Sept 17 , 1813 Probated Dec 10, 1814 Wife Miriam Robbins Sons John, Charles, Mathias, PETER, Cornelius, Jonathan, Gilbert, Archibald, Robert And daughters etc. Information was received from Frank Robbins Shirley Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1327 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-08 11:51:10 Subject:Another New Member request Message: Hello to all again, I reached out to my distant cousin Rita Islo and she is interested in joining the group. Her email address is ritanne@fuse.net The Ohio families appreciate the help ! Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1328 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-08 19:00:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Thanks Cris! I'm trying to get my notes together and it's taking me longer than I expected. I have one more question for you...who are your next closest genetic matches in the YDNA results? Do you have other matches that are a "3 genetic distance" or closer? In the meantime, I will share the following information--without all of my sources (but I will provide them as soon as I can!! ) My research in Canada has focused primarily on the DANIEL ROBBINS and SARAH BLATCHLEY line that Roy, Dale, and I descend from. Daniel died before Sarah petitioned the British Crown for Ontario property in 1796; she is referred to as a widow in that petition.She states that she went to Canada in 1793 with "3 sons and 3 daughters." I believe DANIEL was born between 1730-1740. My working theory (some with evidence and some just speculation) is that Daniel and Sarah had the following children: i. MILLER ROBBINS was born on 06 Jul 1758 in Oxford twp. Sussex Co. New Jersey. He died between 1845-1853 in Lawrence Co. Ohio. He was a Revolutionary War veteran and a lot of information a bout him was provided in his pension application. He moved to Tompkins Co. NY in 1818 and then Lawrence Co. Ohio (where his daughter lived) in 1841. ii. JOSHUA ROBBINS was born between 1759-1765. He died in Aug 1799 in Thorold twp. Lincoln Co. Ontario. He had no heirs and his property went to his brothers. iii. ABSOLOM ROBBINS was born between 1760-1770. He died after 1800 in Probably around Hope, New Jersey. He married ELEN. (VERY LITTLE IS KNOWN ABOUT ABSOLOM. He had 1 daughter named Sarah b. 1800.) iv. MARY ROBBINS was born between 1770-1780. She died after 15 Jul 1822 in Thorold, Lincoln Co. Ontario. She married John Clark Sr. of Thorold before Aug 1794 in Probably New Jersey. He wa s born between 1760-1773 in (was likely 21 or older in 1794); made settler's petition on same day as brother in laws Joshua Robins and Blatchley Robins. He died on 04 Dec 1812 in Ontario, Canada. v. ANNA ROBBINS was born between 1770-1780 in Speculation. She died after 1836. She married Job Strowbridge, son of Crispus Trowbridge Strowbridge and Kesiah, before 1797. He was born abou t 1772 in New York. He died on 12 Aug 1836 in Thorold, Lincoln Co. Ontario. (THIS IS A WORKING THEORY. VERY SPECULATIVE. I really have no proof other than some testimony in which Anna Strowbridge said she knew John Clar k before his marriage to Mary Robbins. Knowing that Sarah Blatchley Robbins said she went to Canada with 3 sons and 3 daughters and knowing that Anna knew John Clark and Mary Robbins before they married and was present at the birth of their son John, makes me think that Anna is one of the 3 daughters. I have evidence that the other 2 daughters Mary and Sarah.) vi. BLATCHLEY LOYD ROBBINS was born between 1760-1770. He died about Jul 1814 in Thorold, Lincoln Co. Ontario. He married ANNA HANNAH UNKNOWN. She died after 1817. vii. SARAH ROBBINS was born in 1775 in New Jersey. She died before 1851 in Windham, Norfolk Co. Ontario. She married PETER BOUGHNER. He was born in 1770 in New Jersey (came to Niagara 178 8). He died in Windham, Norfolk Co. Ontario. viii. DANIEL ROBBINS was born in 1777 in New Jersey. He died after 1851 in Gainsborough, Lincoln Co., Ontario. He married Mary ? before 1805 in Ontario. She died before 1851 in Gainsbo rough, Ontario. In addition to this line, I also researched JOSHUA ROBBINS (who supposedly is the brother to my ancestor Daniel Robbins). Joshua was married to Sarah Blatchley's sister, Mary Blatchely. So we have a situation where two brothers married two sisters. JOSHUA was likely born about 1740 and he seems to have moved to Canada around 1793 without a wife. Sometime between 1795 and 1805, he married MEHITABLE SWAYZE HOPKINS, the widow of PETER HOPKINS. All of these families (these Robbins, the Swayzes, the Hopkins) lived in the Oxford twp area of Sussex Co. in the years before they went to Canada. Again, when I can pull my notes together, I'll give you more detail. I also spent considerable time trying to figure out who the father of DANIEL ROBBINS and JOSHUA ROBBINS is. My theory is that it is a man named JOSHUA ROBBINS, who was born between 1698-1718. I believe he lived in: -- Hunterdon Co. NJ in 1737 when he takes out a mortgage. The mortgage is witnessed by Job Robins. -- Hunterdon Co. NJ, Maidenhead twp.in 1741 where he is on a tax list with Job Robbins and John Robbins, -- Morris Co. in 1747 where he is arrested for counterfeiting. -- Sussex Co. in 1754 when he is mentioned as a witness to the stabbing of a horse and a court case ensued; Other witnesses in this case were "Joshua Robins Jun." "Elisha Robins' wife" "Elisha Robins' daughter" (and a few other people who were not Robins). This elder Joshua might also be the one in the following records: -- 1759 petition of the citizens of Sussex Co. asking to provide more protection from Indian raids -- 1766 Hunterdon Co. court record that says "Joshua Robbins, late of Hunterdon" to appear at next court in Trenton--to address a trespassing charge. I know NOTHING else about the children of this elder JOSHUA ROBBINS. But it is very possible he had more children than the DANIEL and JOSHUA who went to Canada. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1329 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-08 21:09:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hi Tracey, I have one other 3rd Generation relative who had a William F. Robbins 1836 and there was another William that died in North Carolina in 1816. I have 7 ( 4th ) Generation relatives with the following Robbins: John Robbins 1800-1884 of PA, IA William Robbins, c1745-c1816, of Rutherford Co, NC Will, William Robbins Rutherford County, N.C., Original Wills, Vol.III: In the name of God amen I William Robbins of the County of Rutherford and the State of North Carolina being sick in body but sound in mind and mem ory & calling to mind the mortality of my body & knowing that it was appointed for all men once to die make and ordaine this my last will and testament that is to say principally as touching such worldly Estate whare wi th it hath pleased God to bless me with In this life I give demise and dispose of the same In the following manner and form, first I give and Bequeath to Sary my beloved wife all my lands and household furniture and sto ck as long as she remaines my widow and if she (rest of line and part crossed out and here is inserted:) and also my negro woman sela and child tompson (end insert) Chouses to mary then to have a Childs part as one of t he Children---I also give to my two sons Joseph Robins and Thomas Robins my land to be equally divided at my widows death I also give to Henry McKinney twenty shillings also I give to Philip Robins and James Robins and Tarlton Smith & James Splawn & Joseph Steadman & John Cole & also my granddaughter Sary McKinney an Equal part of my property at my widows death and now I appoint James Robins and John Cole my sole Executors of this my last will and testament the whare unto I have sat my hand and seal this 25th day of December 1815 and in the person of Go McKinny (Jurat) William X Robins (Seal) Char Simmons (Jurat) mark (cidames Simans proven in open court and recorded John G. Rowland DC State of North Carolina) Rutherford County January Session 1816 I certify that Geo McKinny & Charles Simmans proved the within to be the last will and testament of William Robins in Open Court and is Regestered in the Book C at full length page 40 Richard Lewis CC by John G Rowland DC Rutherford Co., NC, Court Minutes 1813-1817 I found this Will for the 4th Generation William 1745-1816. Perhaps his Son William F. Robbins is the 3rd Generation ? Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1330 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-01-09 08:59:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: OK. Thanks Cris! One thing I want to mention...do not confuse "Genetic Distance" with "Generations." The two are not equivalent. Genetic distance is defined as: The number of differences or mutations between two sets of Y-chromosome DNA or mitochondrial DNA test results. A genetic distance of zero means that there are no differences in the two results and there is an exact match. Genetic matching gives you an idea of how related two people are but it cannot determine how many generations back those two people can find a common ancestor. This is mostly because all DNA mutates at different rates in different people. There is a good article about genetic distance here: https://dna-explained.com/2016/06/29/concepts-genetic-distance/ In FTDNA, you can see an esitmated calculation of the "time to your most common ancestor" by clicking the orange "TiP" icon [image: Inline image 1]. It will give you a table, something like this: COMPARISON CHART Generations Percentage 4 24.83% 8 70.31% 12 92.00% 16 98.26% 20 99.67% 24 99.94% On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 10:09 PM, crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Hi Tracey, > > I have one other 3rd Generation relative who had a William F. Robbins 1836 > and there was another William that died in North Carolina in 1816. I have > 7 ( 4th ) Generation relatives with the following Robbins: > > John Robbins 1800-1884 of PA, IA > William Robbins, c1745-c1816, of Rutherford Co, NC > > Will, William Robbins Rutherford County, N.C., Original Wills, Vol.III: In > the name of God amen I William Robbins of the County of Rutherford and the > State of North Carolina being sick in body but sound in mind and memory & > calling to mind the mortality of my body & knowing that it was appointed > for all men once to die make and ordaine this my last will and testament > that is to say principally as touching such worldly Estate whare with it > hath pleased God to bless me with In this life I give demise and dispose of > the same In the following manner and form, first I give and Bequeath to > Sary my beloved wife all my lands and household furniture and stock as long > as she remaines my widow and if she (rest of line and part crossed out and > here is inserted:) and also my negro woman sela and child tompson (end > insert) Chouses to mary then to have a Childs part as one of the > Children---I also give to my two sons Joseph Robins and Thomas Robins my > land to be equally divided at my widows death I also give to Henry McKinney > twenty shillings also I give to Philip Robins and James Robins and Tarlton > Smith & James Splawn & Joseph Steadman & John Cole & also my granddaughter > Sary McKinney an Equal part of my property at my widows death and now I > appoint James Robins and John Cole my sole Executors of this my last will > and testament the whare unto I have sat my hand and seal this 25th day of > December 1815 and in the person of Go McKinny (Jurat) William X Robins > (Seal) Char Simmons (Jurat) mark (cidames Simans proven in open court and > recorded John G. Rowland DC State of North Carolina) Rutherford County > January Session 1816 I certify that Geo McKinny & Charles Simmans proved > the within to be the last will and testament of William Robins in Open > Court and is Regestered in the Book C at full length page 40 Richard Lewis > CC by John G Rowland DC Rutherford Co., NC, Court Minutes 1813-1817 > > I found this Will for the 4th Generation William 1745-1816. Perhaps his > Son William F. Robbins is the 3rd Generation ? > > Cris Robbins > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1331 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2017-01-09 11:47:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Another New Member request Message: I just sent the invite out to Rita. Cheers! On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 11:51 AM, crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Hello to all again, > > > I reached out to my distant cousin Rita Islo and she is interested in > joining the group. Her email address is > > > ritanne@... > > > The Ohio families appreciate the help ! > > > Cris Robbins > > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1332 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-01-09 11:59:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Another New Member request Message: Hi Tod, Thanks for adding Rita Anne. Did you see the other person who is from Ohio that is also interested ? kbergheimer@... Keli is also stuck on Isaac H. Robbins who may or may not be related back to the New Jersey family. He was in the war of 1812 and received land bounty in Logan County Ohio. Thanks again Tod ! Cris Robbins On Monday, January 9, 2017 1:48 PM, "'todd.d.robbins@...' todd.d.robbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: I just sent the invite out to Rita. Cheers! On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 11:51 AM, crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello to all again, I reached out to my distant cousin Rita Islo and she is interested in joining the group. Her email address is ritanne@... The Ohio families appreciate the help ! 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Post Date/Time:2017-01-09 12:19:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Member Request to join Message: Hello Tracey, Thanks for email attachment on how to determine the Generation / DNA mutation. I have seen the generation breakdown on family tree. I thought a generation was from one Great grand father down to me ? After your questi on about next of kin on family tree. I realized that there was two who were related to William from North Carolina. I checked on Ancestry and followed William back to Joseph and then another Joseph who descended from th e first Daniel Robins. ( Assuming that there tree is correct ) There was posting from LouAnne Winterrowd on another website that said that both Vincent and sister Azubia were not part of the North Carolina Robins clan and that they were born in New Jersey. The only difference between the 3 Generation people is on DYS 464 . I have to read up on that website and make more sense about it. Cris R. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1334 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-14 14:18:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Another New Member request Message: Hello Tod, Could you please try to send Rita Anne another invite. She ran into trouble here is what she told me: I got the invite but couldn't open. States didn't recognize email and it was correct. Here is her email address again. ritanne@fuse.net Thank you ! Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1335 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-22 15:54:51 Subject:Job Robins 1756 will Message: Hi, Does anyone have a copy of Job's will and probate records? I'd like to see the actual will that this abstract was made from: 1756, Jan. 19. Robins, Job, of Amwell Township, Hunterdon Co., yeoman; will of. Wife, Abigail. Children-Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all under age. Mother, Mary Robins. Real and personal estate. Executors-the wife and son Daniel. Witnesses-Thomas Carroll, Vincent Robins, Chris. Search. Proved May 17, 1756. 1756, Apr. 2. Inventory, [pounds]467.15.2, incl. bills, bonds and book debts, [pounds]215.14.8; a servant's time, [pounds]15; made by John Emeley, Thomas Kitchen and Vincent Robins. Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1336 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2017-01-23 10:19:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Another New Member request Message: I failed to reply to your message earlier, but I sent another invite. Let me know if she was able to join the group or not. Cheers! On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 2:18 PM, crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > Hello Tod, > > Could you please try to send Rita Anne another invite. She ran into > trouble here is what she told me: > > I got the invite but couldn't open. States didn't recognize email and it > was correct. > > > > Here is her email address again. ritanne@... > > Thank you ! > > Cris Robbins > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1337 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-01-23 12:38:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Another New Member request Message: Hi Tod, No problem. I will let you know if I hear about any issues . Peace to you brother ! On Monday, January 23, 2017 12:20 PM, "'todd.d.robbins@...' todd.d.robbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: I failed to reply to your message earlier, but I sent another invite. Let me know if she was able to join the group or not. Cheers! On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 2:18 PM, crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello Tod, Could you please try to send Rita Anne another invite. She ran into trouble here is what she told me: I got the invite but couldn't open. States didn't recognize email and it was correct. Here is her email address again. ritanne@fuse.net Thank you ! 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If you find anything please pass it on to this list. > Does anyone have a copy of Job's will and probate records? > I'd like to see the actual will that this abstract was made from: > > 1756, Jan. 19. Robins, Job, of Amwell Township, Hunterdon Co., yeoman; > will of. Wife, Abigail. Children-Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, > Elizabeth and Lydia, all under age. Mother, Mary Robins. Real and > personal estate. Executors-the wife and son Daniel. Witnesses-Thomas > Carroll, Vincent Robins, Chris. Search. Proved May 17, 1756. > 1756, Apr. 2. Inventory, [pounds]467.15.2, incl. bills, bonds and book > debts, [pounds]215.14.8; a servant's time, [pounds]15; made by John > Emeley, Thomas Kitchen and Vincent Robins. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1339 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-01-23 15:13:29 Subject:Re: Job Robins 1756 will Message: Will do, Marshall. I'm going to order a copy and I'll scan it and post it when I receive it. Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1340 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-28 11:31:37 Subject:Joseph Robbins, son of Isaac Robbins and Azubia Thatcher Message: Hi everyone, Does anyone know anything about Joseph Robbins who is named in Isaac Robbins will of 1741? What became of him? Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1341 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-28 16:24:58 Subject:Re: Joseph Robbins, son of Isaac Robbins and Azubia Thatcher Message: Hi Tracey, I just re-read this statement from LouAnne Winterrowd that spoke of him ? : VINCENT ROBBINS WAS BORN IN NEW JERSEY AND NOT IN NORTH CAROLINA!! He is NOT part of the North Carolina Robbins who moved to Kentucky, though this is an understandable mistake. The two families are related as Joseph Robbins, a grandson of Daniel Robbins of CT and NJ moved to NC and man y of his descendants moved to KY. On Ancestry they have him only living to 1756. If he lived longer and is the one who moved to N.Carolina he could be a possible family member to our Ohio clan. Good luck in finding information and please share if you find anything interesting ! Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1342 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-01-28 21:08:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joseph Robbins, son of Isaac Robbins and Azubia Thatcher Message: The only thing I have which could possibly be this Joseph is ... from "More Records of Old Hunterdon County, Volume I" by Phyllis B D'Autrechy in 1998 Miscellaneous Records, c1736-c1898 quote Joseph Robbins "lives near the Hickory". (1766) #31253 Joseph Robbins "lives near ye Hickory". (1767) #32204 unquote > Does anyone know anything about Joseph Robbins who is named in Isaac > Robbins will of 1741? What became of him? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1343 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-28 21:46:09 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joseph Robbins, son of Isaac Robbins and Azubia Thatcher Message: Gosh. What's "the Hickory"? (The only thing that came to mind was...Andrew Jackson! :-D ) Thanks, Marshall. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1344 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-29 07:12:13 Subject:Re: Joseph Robbins, son of Isaac Robbins and Azubia Thatcher Message: Thanks Cris. I'm not sure sure! I wonder how she knows that the Joseph in NC is a "grandson" of Daniel. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1345 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-29 13:46:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Vincent Robbins of Columbia PA 1836 Message: Hi Chris, You mentioned a Vincent who is buried in Montour Co. PA and died in April 1836. FamilySearch had the will of the Vincent Robbins who died in Hemlock, Columbia Co., PA in April 1836. See: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89SM-79DM-7?i=288&wc=9PMK-PTR%3A268497701%2C268553201&cc=1999196 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89SM-79DM-7?i=288&wc=9PMK-PTR%3A268497701%2C268553201&cc=1999196 and https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9SM-79Z4-K?i=289&wc=9PMK-PTR%3A268497701%2C268553201&cc=1999196 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9SM-79Z4-K?i=289&wc=9PMK-PTR%3A268497701%2C268553201&cc=1999196 None of his children match the names of the children of Vincent Robbins of Ohio. He mentions an Emaline (wife?) And children: William John Hannah Elizabeth Eleanor Sarah (wife of Peter Shultz) Rachel Mary Emaline Perhaps that helps eliminate a Vincent from the mix? Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1346 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-01-29 19:31:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joseph Robbins, son of Isaac Robbins and Azubia Thatcher Message: The Hickory (usually referred to as Hickory Corners) is basically a four-corners (as best I can tell) (route 579 and route 614) in Hunterdon Co. There was a tavern there called ... Hickory Tavern ... in the 18th and 19th centuries (and maybe later). There are still remains of the tavern standing. There are roadside plaques at the corners for the tavern and for Jeremiah Johnston (who was born nearby). On the East side of Hickory Corners is Bethlehem Township. On the west side is Alexandria Township. Many of the Hunterdon Co Robins lived in this area. The land that Jonathan Robins purchased from "Widow" (Anne) Merrill in 1751 touches on the corners. There's a Robins Burying Grounds nearby the corners. > Gosh. What's "the Hickory"? (The only thing that came to mind > was...Andrew Jackson! :-D ) -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1347 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-29 19:39:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Vincent Robbins of Columbia PA 1836 Message: Thank you Tracey, This Vincent who I had a information on his death was on 4/1/1836 . He was also a veteran on the Rev. War. Now thanks to you I can eliminate this information about my Vincent. Perhaps this Vincent was part of the Sincy Robins group or most likely Joseph and Catherine Robins 1730-1790 family. I have a download copy of a Jac kson Robbins and Virgil D. Robbins who were from Greenwood township and Madison Township. They had a family breakdown from there Grand parents Joseph and Catherine Robins. They had a Son Vincent William John among othe rs and daughters including Hannah. If you want me to attach this paper I will. Thanks for finding that piece of information. I can now change my inaccurate Vincent info. Did you find out anything about the son ( Joseph ) of Vincent and Azuba Robbins from Amwell New Jersey ? That would be logica l if the Ohio line came through them with that name Azuba/ Azubia being passed down through the 1800's. Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1348 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-01-29 19:53:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Vincent Robbins of Columbia PA 1836 Message: Nope. I really didn't find anything about that Joseph. But considering we don't know what happened to him, he could be any Joseph in the right age range--living pretty much anywhere. I really think the best course of action to figure out more about your Ohio Vincent, is to look at every record you can in Clermont and Brown Cos. The deed records would be the best place to start. If you've not looked at deed records before, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints church has them on microfilm. For example, for Clermont: FamilySearch Catalog: Deed book, 1800-1877, with index, 1800-1879 — FamilySearch.org https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/219280?availability=Family%20History%20Library https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/219280?availability=Family%20History%20Library FamilySearch Catalog: Deed book, 1800-1877, with index... https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/219280?availability=Family%20History%20Library Discover your family history. Explore the world’s largest collection of f ree family trees, genealogy records and resources. View on familysearch.org https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/219280?availability=Family%20History%20Library Preview by Yahoo You can go to any LDS church that has a Family History Center and rent the films. You don't have to be a member and the cost of renting is fairly inexpensive. I hope you'll take on the search! Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1349 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2017-02-01 09:21:44 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /JobRobins1757Will.pdf Uploaded by : marcelofamilytx Description : Job Robins Will, Hunterdon 1757 You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/files/JobRobins1757Will.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, marcelofamilytx ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1350 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-02-01 09:41:10 Subject:Re: Job Robins 1756 will Message: Hi Marshall, I've posted a PDF of Job's will. See the Files area of this group! Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1351 Sender:Donnaudc Post Date/Time:2017-02-01 12:16:39 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins 1756 will Message: Robbins Cousins, How is it that I get these emails but I can't seem to get on the yahoo group page? Do I have to request it? If so how do I do so? Also, does anyone know where the family name Millard Robbins comes from? My Great Grandfather was named William Millard Robbins born in Overton, TN 1858 died in 1925. I am sure of his Mother and Fathers names James an d Catherine Robbins. James died and Catherine remarried. However I can not find any information on James' birth or his lineage. I find that there is a James Robbins who died in 1872 who lists a Millard and a Catharin e as grandchildren on his final settlement. It also shows that James had a 10th son James, born in 1830 but shows no death date nor any information about what happened to him. I'm trying to determine if this is my fam ily line. I have a cousin who has been doing some research but I think he miscorrectly names James W Robbins b Aug 12 1830 as his father. That James Robbins died 1887 and I know that Catherine was a widow by 1870 and that Millar d is not listed as his children in Pickett County. It would seem that the James from SC seems more likely. I thought perhaps the name "Millard" might be an angle we have not worked. I know there are several Millard Robbins in the family so I was wondering if anyone kn ows where this comes from. Perhaps a mothers maiden name? Any insight will be helpful. Donna Crowder 919-669-7580 -----Original Message----- From: tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2017 11:41 am Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins 1756 will Hi Marshall, I've posted a PDF of Job's will. See the Files area of this group! Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1352 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-02-01 13:35:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins 1756 will Message: Thanks for the will, is it possible some one could type it so it is easier to read? Thanks, Shirley Robbins Hawley Sent from my iPad > On Feb 1, 2017, at 10:41 AM, tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Hi Marshall, > > I've posted a PDF of Job's will. > See the Files area of this group! > > Tracey > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1353 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-02-02 12:00:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Files Area & Millard Message: To access the files area of the mailing list you need to log into your yahoo account and then navigate to the files area. As for Millard I have one Milliard ROBBINS ... born 16 Mar 1895 in Newark, New Jersey, son of Charles H. Robbins (1864-1934) and Nettie Phillips. Milliard Robbins married Margery Courter. Children: Albert M. and Margaret. That's the only Millard/Milliard I have, and I don't have any info for any Tennessee ROBINS/ROBBINS. > How is it that I get these emails but I can't seem to get on the yahoo > group page? Do I have to request it? If so how do I do so? > > Also, does anyone know where the family name Millard Robbins comes from? > My Great Grandfather was named William Millard Robbins born in Overton, > TN 1858 died in 1925. I am sure of his Mother and Fathers names James > and Catherine Robbins. James died and Catherine remarried. However I > can not find any information on James' birth or his lineage. I find that > there is a James Robbins who died in 1872 who lists a Millard and a > Catharine as grandchildren on his final settlement. It also shows that > James had a 10th son James, born in 1830 but shows no death date nor any > information about what happened to him. I'm trying to determine if this > is my family line. > > I have a cousin who has been doing some research but I think he > miscorrectly names James W Robbins b Aug 12 1830 as his father. That > James Robbins died 1887 and I know that Catherine was a widow by 1870 and > that Millard is not listed as his children in Pickett County. > > It would seem that the James from SC seems more likely. I thought > perhaps the name "Millard" might be an angle we have not worked. I know > there are several Millard Robbins in the family so I was wondering if > anyone knows where this comes from. Perhaps a mothers maiden name? > > Any insight will be helpful. > > > Donna Crowder > 919-669-7580 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1354 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-02-02 11:49:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Job Robins 1756 will Message: Thanks a million, Tracey! > Hi Marshall, I've posted a PDF of Job's will. > See the Files area of this group! > > Tracey -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1355 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-02-09 07:14:17 Subject:Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: Hi everyone, I finally posted all of my research and beliefs about the life of Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley. Daniel was born in the Hunterdon/Morris Co. area of New Jersey sometime between 1730-1740; he lived in Oxford twp., Sussex Co. New Jersey by at least 1773 (possibly earlier), and died before 1793. You can see my research here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/DanielRobbins.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/DanielRobbins.htm There are so few records about Daniel. Much of what I've learned has come from researching his widow and his children after they went to Canada. My plan is to post a similar page about Daniel's brother Joshua (b.about 1740). And the man who I believe to be their father, also named Joshua (b.sometime between 1698-1716). I'll let you know when these pages are done. Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1356 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-02-10 08:39:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: Tracey, Have you seen this site ... http://www.uelac.org/Loyalist-Info/Loyalist-Info.php Maybe it's possible to get some help there? > Hi everyone, > I finally posted all of my research and beliefs about the life of Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley. > > Daniel was born in the Hunterdon/Morris Co. area of New Jersey sometime between 1730-1740; he lived in Oxford twp., Sussex Co. New Jersey by at least 1773 (possibly earlier), and died before 1793. > > You can see my research here: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/DanielRobbins.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/DanielRobbins.htm > > There are so few records about Daniel. Much of what I've learned has come from researching his widow and his children after they went to Canada. > > My plan is to post a similar page about Daniel's brother Joshua (b.about 1740). > And the man who I believe to be their father, also named Joshua (b.sometime between 1698-1716). > I'll let you know when these pages are done. > > Tracey -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1357 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-02-10 10:29:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: Hi Marshall, I have seen that site. Interestingly, what I've learned is that not all Ontario settlers were Loyalists. In the 1790s, the Crown gave land grants to Loyalists, that's true. But they were in such need of people to settle the land, that they also offered land grants to anyone who was willing to put in the work and time to set up a homestead. This Daniel Robbins' family fell into that "settler" category. Tracey On 2/10/2017 9:39 AM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: � Tracey, Have you seen this site ... http://www.uelac.org/Loyalist-Info/Loyalist-Info.php Maybe it's possible to get some help there? > Hi everyone, > I finally posted all of my research and beliefs about the life of Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley. > > Daniel was born in the Hunterdon/Morris Co. area of New Jersey sometime between 1730-1740; he lived in Oxford twp., Sussex Co. New Jersey by at least 1773 (possibly earlier), and died before 1793. > > You can see my research here: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/DanielRobbins.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/DanielRobbins.htm > > There are so few records about Daniel. Much of what I've learned has come from researching his widow and his children after they went to Canada. > > My plan is to post a similar page about Daniel's brother Joshua (b.about 1740). > And the man who I believe to be their father, also named Joshua (b.sometime between 1698-1716). > I'll let you know when these pages are done. > > Tracey -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1358 Sender:Murray Aspden Post Date/Time:2017-02-10 15:31:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: Hi all, [Tracey, you beat me to a response. What follows expands on what you refer to as “settlers". Thanks] Marshall, that U.E.L. site is very helpful but it does not help our particular Robins that settled in the Niagara Peninsula of Upper Canada. Our Robins are considered “Post Loyalists”. The Loyalists or “Tories" that cam e North did so during the American Revolution (or War for Independence) with the majority around 1783 and the few years following. They were refugees. And the British Government was hard pressed to get them onto their l and grants, build primitive shelters, clear and prepare their land for crops, keep them from starving from crop failures (harsh weather) and start new communities. That site also helps define who the Loyalists are. Ther e were legal criteria for whom was and was not. Most were those who fought for the British and their families. Some were colonial government officials and civil servants that were loyal to the Crown. Some were merchants and professional that opposed the Rebels (who were seeking liberty). We saw clergy come north and they helped establish congregations - The Church of England, Methodists, Baptists, and the chaplains of the Scottish and Roman Catholic Regiments who formed Presbyterian Churches and Roman Catholic parishes. As an aside the lists in the U.E.L. site helped us trace our Robbins in Prince Edward Island (P.E.I.). Those posts would be in the South Jersey Robbins Yahoo! Group site. However in the Niagara Peninsula, we saw our ancestors come up from the States around 1793 and after. As Rachel’s paper shows, they petitioned for Crown Land Grants. Lt. Gov. John Graves Simcoe realizing how sparse the population was by then, started to encourage immigration. He encouraged peace loving people which resulted in an influx of Mennonites, Brethren, Quakers, and Disciples of Christ. Tracey, your research efforts as seen in your paper posted the other day is to be highly commended. Your summary of what we know now about Daniel Robins (husband of Sarah Blatchley) and his descendants sets them into th eir own branch. As Tracey points out there has been much confusion. OK! Now we know they belong in their own branch which settled along the Welland River. Now where do all the other Rob(b)ins fit in? For the past month my project has been to fill out the overall picture of that family in the Niagara Peninsula - that is the land that lies between Lake Erie on the south and Lake Ontario on the north. Working with othe r researchers who have studied their Rob(b)ins ancestors dating back to Upper Canada, we are slowly pulling the scattered pieces into a jigsaw puzzle that makes the connections between the many families. I say slowly be cause the number of individual profiles added went by 1000 some weeks ago. The main challenge concerns the children of the other Daniel Robbins b. 1876 d. 1844 Gainsborough Tp. This Daniel and his wife, Rachel ? settled on the second concession north of the Welland River. Who were their childr en? As of today we face confusion in the list of their offspring. With the recently discovered headstone of Daniel Robbins married to Rachel in the Heaslip Cemetery which also lies on the north side of the Welland River in Gainsborough Tp., we can sort out this Daniel to those who have a David with the same dates. The question now is David. Was he a child of this couple? If so what were his birth and death dates? One researcher’s webs ite has his death in 1851. Again you may find the accumulation of the research results on my Teams’ Public Member Tree, “The M. B. Aspden Family Tree” on Ancestry.com . Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1359 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-02-10 20:17:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: Hi Murray, Thanks for the kind words! In the research I've done of "THE OTHER" Daniel Robbins b. 30 May 1765, died 13 Jul 1844 and his wife Rachel, I identified their children as the following: 1. JAMES K.ROBBINS was born in 1787 in United States. He died between 1852-1861 in Lived Canboro, Haldimand Co. Ontario. He married ELIZABETH GILBERT. She died before 1851. 2. JOB ROBBINS was born about 1788 in New Jersey; Speculation he is Daniel's son. He died in 1878 in Gainsborough, Lincoln Co., Ontario. He married HANNAH. She was born in 1793. 3. THOMAS ROBBINS was born on 14 Sep 1793 in New Jersey, USA. He died on 16 May 1865 in Gainsborough, Ontario. He married (1) HENRIETTA in 1843 in Ontario. She was born in 1800. She died after 1851. He married (2) SARAH. She was born on 01 Apr 1803. She died on 11 May 1840. 4. JACOB ROBBINS SENIOR was born in 1799 in Canada; he is near Job in 1851 census. He died on 12 May 1873 in Gainsborough, Canada. He married Elizabeth Crow in 1834. She was born in 1813. She died on 07 Nov 1897 in Gainsborough, Canada. 5. JOHN DANIEL ROBBINS was born on 14 Sep 1814 in 1861 lived next to Reuben Heaslip and Thomas b. 1793. He died on 24 Dec 1894 in Gainsborough, Ontario. He married Anna Annie Hoover in 1838. She was born in 1815. 6. WILLIAM ROBBINS was born in 1816 in Received property from this Daniel. He married (1) ELIZABETH. He married (2) JANE KING. My research only turned up the sons of Daniel; if he had daughters I didn't find them. If the only evidence of "David" the other researchers have is in the cemetery transcription, I believe it is either a transcription error or a typo. I can see how Daniel could certainly look like David on a worn stone! I reached this conclusion after spending hours pouring over all the Gainsborough deed records and looking at pretty much every deed that included a Robbins between 1794 and 1860! There was no David in Gainsborough! On the other hand, there was a David Robbins in Pelham. He was born between 1789 and 1809 (wide range, I know...I wasn't able to narrow it). He died before the 1851 census. He was married to a woman named Jane who was born in 1790. This David was the son of Job Robbins (who was b. about 1773 d. about 1834). Job's wife was Mary Palmer. Job was the son of Joshua Robbins and Mary Blatchley. (And I'm working on the web page for this Joshua Robins right now! With any luck I'll post it tomorrow or Sunday!) Also, just to continue to distinguish one Daniel from the other... The children of the Daniel Robbins of Gainsborough b. 1777 d. after 1851 (son of Daniel Robbins and Sarah Blatchley) are more difficult to identify. I've only been able to name some of them. This Daniel's wife's name was Mary. Their children are: 1. BLATCHLEY ROBBINS was born in 1805 in Found in Gainsborough 1828 militia list with John and Thomas; might be in Pelham in 1836. 2. CHILD TWO ROBBINS was born before 1809. 3. CHILD THREE ROBBINS was born before 1809. 4. CHILD FOUR ROBBINS was born before 1809. 5. DANIEL D. ROBBINS was born between 1810-1813 in Thorold or Gainsborough, Canada. He died on 02 Jun 1888 in Canboro, Haldimand Co. Ontario. He married Catharine Smith in 1833 in Thorold, Welland Co. Ontario. She was born between 1814-1816 in Thorold, Ontario. She died on 24 Jan 1883 in Canboro, Haldimand Co. Ontario. 6. CANBY ROBBINS was born in 1817 in Speculation he is Daniel's son; because of some deed records for lot 7, con 1. He married SARAH. 7. CLARK ROBBINS was born in 1829 in Speculation he is Daniel's son; lives near Canby 1851. He married ANNA. I hope that helps! Tracey On 2/10/2017 4:31 PM, Murray Aspden maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi all, [Tracey, you beat me to a response. What follows expands on what you refer to as “settlers". Thanks] Marshall, that U.E.L. site is very helpful but it does not help our particular Robins that settled in the Niagara Peninsula of Upper Canada. Our Robins are considered “Post Loyalists”. The Loyalists or “Tories" that came North did so during the American Revolution (or War for Independence) with the majority around 1783 and the few years following. They were refugees. And the British Government was hard pressed to get them onto their land grants, build primitive shelters, clear and prepare their land for crops, keep them from starving from crop failures (harsh weather) and start new communities. That site also helps define who the Loyalists are. There were legal criteria for whom was and was not. Most were those who fought for the British and their families. Some were colonial government officials and civil servants that were loyal to the Crown. Some were merchants and professional that opposed the Rebels (who were seeking liberty). We saw clergy come north and they helped establish congregations - The Church of England, Methodists, Baptists, and the chaplains of the Scottish and Roman Catholic Regiments who formed Presbyterian Churches and Roman Catholic parishes. As an aside the lists in the U.E.L. site helped us trace our Robbins in Prince Edward Island (P.E.I.). Those posts would be in the South Jersey Robbins Yahoo! Group site. However in the Niagara Peninsula, we saw our ancestors come up from the States around 1793 and after. As Rachel’s paper shows, they petitioned for Crown Land Grants. Lt. Gov. John Graves Simcoe realizing how sparse the population was by then, started to encourage immigration. He encouraged peace loving people which resulted in an influx of Mennonites, Brethren, Quakers, and Disciples of Christ. Tracey, your research efforts as seen in your paper posted the other day is to be highly commended. Your summary of what we know now about Daniel Robins (husband of Sarah Blatchley) and his descendants sets them into their own branch. As Tracey points out there has been much confusion. OK! Now we know they belong in their own branch which settled along the Welland River. Now where do all the other Rob(b)ins fit in? For the past month my project has been to fill out the overall picture of that family in the Niagara Peninsula - that is the land that lies between Lake Erie on the south and Lake Ontario on the north. Working with other researchers who have studied their Rob(b)ins ancestors dating back to Upper Canada, we are slowly pulling the scattered pieces into a jigsaw puzzle that makes the connections between the many families. I say slowly because the number of individual profiles added went by 1000 some weeks ago. The main challenge concerns the children of the other Daniel Robbins b. 1876 d. 1844 Gainsborough Tp. This Daniel and his wife, Rachel ? settled on the second concession north of the Welland River. Who were their children? As of today we face confusion in the list of their offspring. With the recently discovered headstone of Daniel Robbins married to Rachel in the Heaslip Cemetery which also lies on the north side of the Welland River in Gainsborough Tp., we can sort out this Daniel to those who have a David with the same dates. The question now is David. Was he a child of this couple? If so what were his birth and death dates? One researcher’s website has his death in 1851. Again you may find the accumulation of the research results on my Teams’ Public Member Tree, “The M. B. Aspden Family Tree” on Ancestry.com. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1360 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-02-11 04:36:39 Subject:the M.B. Aspden family tree Message: How does one locate that tree on Ancestry.com? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1361 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-02-11 09:07:48 Subject:Re: the M.B. Aspden family tree Message: I believe the URL is: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/5186520 http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/5186520 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1362 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-02-11 12:47:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: Thanks Tracey & Murray for the info/explanation of the Canadian settlers. Tracey, how about Y-DNA ? Do you know of any currently living descendants of this branch? > I have seen that site. > > Interestingly, what I've learned is that not all Ontario > settlers were Loyalists. > > In the 1790s, the Crown gave land grants to Loyalists, > that's true. But they were in such need of people to > settle the land, that they also offered land grants to anyone > who was willing to put in the work and time to set up a > homestead. > > This Daniel Robbins' family fell into that "settler" > category. > > Tracey > > > On 2/10/2017 9:39 AM, Marshall Lake mlake@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Have you seen this site ... > http://www.uelac.org/Loyalist-Info/Loyalist-Info.php -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1363 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-02-11 14:43:49 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: Hi Marshall, Yes! Two male Robbins descendants of Daniel Robbins and Mary Blatchley are: Roy Robbins and Dale Robbins-- both of whom are members of this Robbins Family Society group. Their Y-DNA results are represented by kit 166144��� Blatchley Robins, born 1773; died 1814 on the Robins DNA project site at: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Robins/default.aspx?section=yresults Tracey On 2/11/2017 1:47 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: � Thanks Tracey & Murray for the info/explanation of the Canadian settlers. Tracey, how about Y-DNA ? Do you know of any currently living descendants of this branch? > I have seen that site. > > Interestingly, what I've learned is that not all Ontario > settlers were Loyalists. > > In the 1790s, the Crown gave land grants to Loyalists, > that's true. But they were in such need of people to > settle the land, that they also offered land grants to anyone > who was willing to put in the work and time to set up a > homestead. > > This Daniel Robbins' family fell into that "settler" > category. > > Tracey > > > On 2/10/2017 9:39 AM, Marshall Lake mlake@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Have you seen this site ... > http://www.uelac.org/Loyalist-Info/Loyalist-Info.php -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1364 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-02-11 14:49:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] UPDATES: Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: I have just posted two more pages about this Robbins family. One page is about Daniel Robbins' brother Joshua Robbins, husband of Mary Blatchley. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html The other is about the father of this Daniel Robbins and Joshua. He is another Joshua who lived in Hunterdon, Morris, and later Sussex Co. New Jersey. I believe he is one of the other sons of Daniel Robbins (b. 1666) and his wife Mary. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html I have included as many source citations and links to copies of original records as I could. If you have comments or corrections, contact me! Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1365 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-02-11 16:54:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] UPDATES: Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: On Roots web I found my gt. Grandfather, Edward, born 1836, he died age 40 and is buried at Waupun, Wi. On his marriage, it says Curran, which I think is a Scottish clan. Thank you for the post. robins.shirley@.... Sent from my iPad > On Feb 11, 2017, at 3:49 PM, tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > I have just posted two more pages about this Robbins family. > > > One page is about Daniel Robbins' brother Joshua Robbins, husband of Mary Blatchley. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html > > The other is about the father of this Daniel Robbins and Joshua. > He is another Joshua who lived in Hunterdon, Morris, and later Sussex Co. New Jersey. I believe he is one of the other sons of Daniel Robbins (b. 1666) and his wife Mary. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html > > I have included as many source citations and links to copies of original records as I could. > > If you have comments or corrections, contact me! > > Tracey > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1366 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-02-12 18:12:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: Good Y-DNA match! Blatchley Robins surely stems from Daniel Robins of Scotland. Do you know if Roy or Dale have done any "Family Finder" testing? It's possible those results could find cousins who might have something to offer to help. > Yes! > > Two male Robbins descendants of Daniel Robbins and Mary > Blatchley are: > Roy Robbins and Dale Robbins-- both of whom are members of this > Robbins Family Society group. > > Their Y-DNA results are represented by > kit 166144??? Blatchley Robins, born 1773; died 1814 > on the Robins DNA project site at: > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Robins/default.aspx?section=\ > yresults > =yresults> > On 2/11/2017 1:47 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Tracey, how about Y-DNA ? Do you know of any currently > living descendants of this branch? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1367 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-02-12 18:54:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: I don't think they have. Roy and Dale--are you following this thread? But that's a good suggestion! Tracey On 2/12/2017 7:12 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: � Good Y-DNA match! Blatchley Robins surely stems from Daniel Robins of Scotland. Do you know if Roy or Dale have done any "Family Finder" testing? It's possible those results could find cousins who might have something to offer to help. > Yes! > > Two male Robbins descendants of Daniel Robbins and Mary > Blatchley are: > Roy Robbins and Dale Robbins-- both of whom are members of this > Robbins Family Society group. > > Their Y-DNA results are represented by > kit 166144??? Blatchley Robins, born 1773; died 1814 > on the Robins DNA project site at: > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Robins/default.aspx?section=\ > yresults > =yresults> > On 2/11/2017 1:47 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Tracey, how about Y-DNA ? Do you know of any currently > living descendants of this branch? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1368 Sender:Roy Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-02-12 19:41:34 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: I am following this tread. I know that both Dale and I have had DNA analysis done through Family Tree DNA. I also know that Dale had submitted DNA through at least one other source. I am embarrassed to admit it but what is �Family Finder� testing? What organization? I am willing to work through them too. Sent from my Windows 10 phone From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 8:56 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley I don't think they have. Roy and Dale--are you following this thread? But that's a good suggestion! Tracey On 2/12/2017 7:12 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Good Y-DNA match! Blatchley Robins surely stems from Daniel Robins of Scotland. Do you know if Roy or Dale have done any "Family Finder" testing? It's possible those results could find cousins who might have something to offer to help. > Yes! > > Two male Robbins descendants of Daniel Robbins and Mary > Blatchley are: > Roy Robbins and Dale Robbins-- both of whom are members of this > Robbins Family Society group. > > Their Y-DNA results are represented by > kit 166144??? Blatchley Robins, born 1773; died 1814 > on the Robins DNA project site at: > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Robins/default.aspx?section=\ > yresults > =yresults> > On 2/11/2017 1:47 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Tracey, how about Y-DNA ? Do you know of any currently > living descendants of this branch? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1369 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-02-13 19:45:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Family Finder Test Message: Family Finder is a test available at Family Tree DNA (ftdna). It's relatively inexpensive at $79 (the last I looked). Family Finder tests markers from both sides (Y is paternal only, mt is maternal only). However, the Family Finder results are usable only a few generations back (normally) as opposed to Y and mt tests which go back many generations. Family Finder is good for finding relationships up to about 4th cousins (on both the paternal and maternal sides). There are many tools available for analyzing the Family Finder results (which I don't fully understand as of yet). Once Family Finder results are acquired they should be uploaded to gedmatch.com. The results, as they are stored on ftdna, will only be able to be compared to other results on ftdna. gedmatch.com stores results from several testing companies, so many more compares are available. Also, gedmatch.com has better analyzing tools. > I am following this tread. I know that both Dale and I have had DNA > analysis done through Family Tree DNA. I also know that Dale had > submitted DNA through at least one other source. I am embarrassed to > admit it but what is ?Family Finder? testing? What organization? I am > willing to work through them too. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1370 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-02-14 13:51:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Family Finder Test Message: Family finder is rather limited in finding a specific lineage. Consider how the autosomal DNA works, going back 7 generations or more to see any connection is rather iffy at best. I have some relations that DO appear in Family Finder for Robbins related families in New Jersey, although they are not a direct connection to a male lineage Robbins family. I did talk to Dale and maybe Roy, about Big Y DNA testing. I have had that done. Base line is now M64 for the male line Robbins/Robins family, There is a match for a Robins in the Big Y testing that matches me perfectly . A North Carolina match, which would make John German happy as hell, were he alive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1371 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-02-22 18:51:08 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins, husband of Sarah Blatchley Message: Hi, has anyone else received a ad from Family DNA to transfer your DNA to them? Shirley Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1372 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-02-22 19:25:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Transfer of DNA Message: I received a note, but I didn't pay much attention to it since all my DNA is already housed at ftdna. I *think* it pertained to transferring DNA from ancestry.com to ftdna.com. > Hi, has anyone else received a ad from Family DNA to transfer your DNA to > them? Shirley -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1373 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-04-09 11:26:25 Subject:Joshua Robbins Message: I’m a descendant of Joshua Robbins born 1777 who lived in Columbia County, PA. I’ve been researching his family. I agree with Sara Hoffman than Sincy has no support for being Joshua’s father. Someone said that he is mentioned in the Joshua Robbins family bible. I’m looking for a quote, copy of the page. What is interesting in the unsupported information from Joshua’s bible is that the supposed sons of Sincy were: “The names of these sons were known to be; - WILLIAM, VINCENT, JOSHUA, JOHN and JOSEPH ROBBINS.” I believe that Robbins with these names were brothers or very closely related. They all appear to have New Jersey roots and lived in Columbia County, PA. In my research, I haven’t found any record of these people anywhere but in Pennsylvania, even though I’ve put a lot of time into it. Notes: - William: taxed in Upper Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, in 1781. I’ve found no other Robins/Robbins in Northampton County around that time. He’s been confused with other William/William’s. Sons John and Joseph. - Elizabeth Robbins: probably a sister, married Robert Richart about 1785, who lived in Upper Mount Bethel Twp. Elizabeth was Robert’s 2nd wife. I don’t know if they married in Northampton County or Columbia Cou nty. I’d expect her to be living with her parents but no luck there. One son named Vincent. - Vincent: married and lived in New Jersey until about 1793. Sons John and William. - Joshua: the records are reasonably good after he moved to Pennsylvania - John: generally commenting, no one knows about him. Son William - Joseph: information is good, his first sons names were William and Vincent. I would very much like to correspond with anyone who has additional information on this family. I’ve collected a reasonable amount of information on these families. Garry Heagy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1374 Sender:Kathy Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-04-09 22:04:47 Subject:Re: Joshua Robbins Message: I am a descendent of Joshua Robbins. Joshua Robbins, John Dildaine Robbins, John Wesley Robbins, my Grandmother Anna Laura Robbins who married Robert H Crellin, my dad Robert Crelliin and me, Kathleen Crellin. I hav e seen that page maybe on Ancestry. The trick is it was written in the Dildine bible, I believe. I am perplexed by the situation! I haven't looked at it for a while. Now that I know someone else is working on it I wi ll look again. One thing that might help is if we could get someone with the last name Robbins to have their DNA tested. Of course I new some Robbins when I was a kid. Matt, my brother, said Sincy is short for Cinnsi natus (sp) by I didn't find one of those either. You probably have more than me. I am just been getting back at it. Joined Minnesota Genealogy Society on Wednesday. Looking up Revolutionary War soldiers one of which is John Dildine, father of Joshua's wife you probably know. I am 3/4 asleep and was just checking email. I would be interested in what you have. You probably know more than I. I can send pictures next week after bro gets home from Rhode I sland. Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1375 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-04-10 03:16:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Joshua Robbins Message: Hi Kathy, You should know the our ancestor John Dildine was not born in 1760 and was not the one who married Mary Rosecrants. Our ancestor was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, during the Revolution where he se rved as a Patriot. I wish we could get a relative to take the Y-DNA test. Garry From: Kathy Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 1:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Joshua Robbins I am a descendent of Joshua Robbins. Joshua Robbins, John Dildaine Robbins, John Wesley Robbins, my Grandmother Anna Laura Robbins who married Robert H Crellin, my dad Robert Crelliin and me, Kathleen Crellin. I have se en that page maybe on Ancestry. The trick is it was written in the Dildine bible, I believe. I am perplexed by the situation! I haven't looked at it for a while. Now that I know someone else is working on it I will look again. One thing that might help is if we could get someone with the last name Robbins to have their DNA tested. Of course I new some Robbins when I was a kid. Matt, my brother, said Sincy is short for Cinnsinatus (sp) by I didn't find one of those either. You probably have more than me. I am just been getting back at it. Joined Minnesota Genealogy Society on Wednesday. Looking up Revolutionary War soldiers one of which is John Dildi ne, father of Joshua's wife you probably know. I am 3/4 asleep and was just checkin g email. I would be interested in what you have. You probably know more than I. I can send pictures next week after bro gets home from Rhode I sland. Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1376 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-04-10 04:52:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Joshua Robbins Message: Hi Kathy, I’m curious as to why you refer to the bible as the “Dildine Bible”. It’s my understanding it’s information starts with Joshua Robbins and his wife Jane Dildine. If you want more information on Jane’s father, John, you can email me directly so we’re not cluttering the Robbins website with the Dildine family. gheagy@... Garry From: Kathy Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 1:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Joshua Robbins I am a descendent of Joshua Robbins. Joshua Robbins, John Dildaine Robbins, John Wesley Robbins, my Grandmother Anna Laura Robbins who married Robert H Crellin, my dad Robert Crelliin and me, Kathleen Crellin. I have se en that page maybe on Ancestry. The trick is it was written in the Dildine bible, I believe. I am perplexed by the situation! I haven't looked at it for a while. Now that I know someone else is working on it I will look again. One thing that might help is if we could get someone with the last name Robbins to have their DNA tested. Of course I new some Robbins when I was a kid. Matt, my brother, said Sincy is short for Cinnsinatus (sp) by I didn't find one of those either. You probably have more than me. I am just been getting back at it. Joined Minnesota Genealogy Society on Wednesday. Looking up Revolutionary War soldiers one of which is John Dildi ne, father of Joshua's wife you probably know. I am 3/4 asleep and was just checkin g email. I would be interested in what you have. You probably know more than I. I can send pictures next week after bro gets home from Rhode I sland. Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1377 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-04-15 11:31:42 Subject:Job Robins/Robbins Washington County, PA Message: I'm interested in learning more about Job who died in 1777, his brother Daniel who died in 1797, and their probable nephew, John, born 1760 who married Sarah Dailey. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1378 Sender:Kathy Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-05-11 14:56:43 Subject:Reading free histories of Pennsylvania counties. Message: I am actively working on my family genealogy again. I am working on Robbins families in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. Not a lot I have is written in stone. I am finding these old histories digitized by Google books. S o far I have read or skimmed most of the Lycoming County and Columbia and Montour County books. These are free online which is nice. They seem to have been written in the 1890's I believe. I must say the early settle rs of PA in Lycoming County and I am sure others were so brave to come out there endure hardship and severe scares from Native Americans and come back! The years 1777 and 1778 were really bad and they did not receive t he support they needed from PA, big reason being the revolutionary war proceedings going on at the same time. They said many of the people in that county came from New Jersey. In what they call the big runaway panic st ruck and most all the settlers took off for where they could find security, often in New Jersey. Most of what they left behind was destroyed but many came back and tried to protect each other while trying to harvest th eir crops. Some horrible things happened. A lesser panic happened in 1779. I am thinking the only dates we have in the Sincy Robbins and sons mystery is 1777 and 1779. Realize I am just playing with ideas. I saw that p age in the Robbins bible, photocopy once and remembered it was very clearly written. Also noticed in reading the histories, many, many Scotch-Irish people in Pennsylvania, a lot different than Minnesota, I assure you. The other good thing about those books is since they are digital they can be searched for the different names. The furthest out Robbins I am swear on a bible sure I belong to is John Dildine or Dildaine Robbins who live d in Davidson Twp., Sullivan Cty. PA who was married to Hannah J. Phillips, daughter of Griffith Phillips Sr. who settled right next to North Mountain in Davidson Twp. I have a source besides just family trees for that little Phillips factoid. They left with their children by covered wagon for Iowa in 1858. Their children were all born in Sullivan Township, PA My great grandfather was the youngest, John Wesley Robbins. I am lucky to know which John Wesley I belong to as a friend here listed a whole lot of them to me. According to my family source, they left because son Clark was chronically sick and docs thought he had tuberculosis and thought bein g out in the open would help. I notice he lived a fairly long life though. We do have what must be a heredity allergy/Asthma disease on that side that gets passed to the next generation. They need medicine and nebulizer so is not minor. Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1379 Sender:Kathy Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-05-11 15:16:40 Subject:History of Unityville PA Robbins Message: Anybody have history on these Robbins? I am searching cemeteries and have found Jane Dildine and Joshua Robbins and A lot of Joseph Robbins children plus a few small families I haven't placed yet. I note you can't full y trust anything you read so if any stories survive them, I would like to read them. These graves are in Richerts Grove Cemetery in Lycoming County near Unityville going to check the other c's too of course. Continue re ading county histories. I am off to Minnesota Genealogical Society which I just joined and am learning. Hope to volunteer eventually. John Dildaine Robbins I believe is Joseph's brother but there could be other Dildine s and Robbins I hear. I am reasonably sure he is my great great grandfather that loaded up Hannah and the kids and moved the family to Iowa. Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1380 Sender:ktyc14@... Post Date/Time:2017-05-11 17:12:00 Subject:Re: Reading free histories of Pennsylvania counties. Message: I meant to say the 2nd runaway happened in 1778, not 1779. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1381 Sender:ktyc14@... Post Date/Time:2017-06-12 09:37:17 Subject:What we are working on. Message: Hi, it would be fun to hear what other members are working on. I have my great grandfather, John Wesley Robbins, father of my grandmother, Anna Laura Robbins Crellin who everyone called Becca, as son of John Dildaine Ro bbins who was born in 1814 in Davidson Township,Sullivan County, PA. John married Hannah Phillips from the same township and county. Her father was Griffith John Phillips and her mother was Mary Hughes. John Robbins and his family of 5, I believe, loaded up in a covered wagon circa 1858, and left with a wagon train headed to Iowa. The reason for this I do not have written in stone. Evidently one of their sons was diagnosed with consum ption and the doctor recommended they get him out in the open air. I have read quite a bit of history on the settlers moving into PA and how dense the forest was in some parts where you could hardly see the sun during t he day. I need to read some more and try to get more records on Jane Robbins. I have Joshua Robbins and Jane Dildine Robbins down as John's parents but I am not sure my Johnny Dildaine is their son, totally although mo st of the family trees have that. I have found some Quaker records on Ancestry that some have used to place her in various places mostly getting visits from a group of women trying to get her back in the graces of the c hurch and her not caring and the ladies reporting back. These could be two different Janes as I need to check out her religious beliefs. In the meantime I need a break from the Robbins although I am always happy to get a smidgen of Robbins history. The last days I have been working on the Phillips family which I have gotten all the way back to Henry VIII. Yesterday I purchased an ebook from Amazon to work my way through Henry VIII's c ourt. I don't think any royal blood here but want to figure out the situation. I was flu axed because some of the boys had two last names like Perrot/Tudor. I think those mysteries were taken to the grave. John Perrot' s sister married a Phillips. He has a wiki page. He seems to have been a jack *** and died in London Tower. When I read that in someone's tree I thought I should investigate him! Their mother was a "lady in waiting" in Henry VIII court. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1382 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-12 11:02:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on. Message: Hi, You’ve done well to question whether your ancestor John Dildaine Robbins is a son of Joshua Robbins. Since John was born in Davidson Twp, Sullivan County, he is not likely a son of Joshua. Joshua lived in Columbia Cou nty before moving to Lycoming County. It is quite a coincidence that your John Robbins was born about the same time as John Robbins, son of Joshua. It’s also quite a coincidence how similar Dildaine is to Dildine. Garry From: ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 12:37 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on. Hi, it would be fun to hear what other members are working on. I have my great grandfather, John Wesley Robbins, father of my grandmother, Anna Laura Robbins Crellin who everyone called Becca, as son of John Dildaine Ro bbins who was born in 1814 in Davidson Township,Sullivan County, PA. John married Hannah Phillips from the same township and county. Her father was Griffith John Phillips and her mother was Mary Hughes. John Robbins and his family of 5, I believe, loaded up in a covered wagon circa 1858, and left with a wagon train headed to Iowa. The reason for this I do not have written in stone. Evidently one of their sons was diagnosed with consum ption and the doctor recommended they get him out in the open air. I have read quite a bit of history on the settlers moving into PA and how dense the forest was in some parts where you could hardly see the sun during t he day. I need to read some more and try to get more records on Jane Robbins. I have Joshu a Robbins and Jane Dildine Robbins down as John's parents but I am not sure my Johnny Dildaine is their son, totally although m ost of the family trees have that. I have found some Quaker records on Ancestry that some have used to place her in various places mostly getting visits from a group of women trying to get her back in the graces of the church and her not caring and the ladies reporting back. These could be two different Janes as I need to check out her religious beliefs. In the meantime I need a break from the Robbins although I am always happy to get a smidgen of Robbins history. The last days I have been working on the Phillips family which I have gotten all the way back to Henry VIII. Yesterday I purchased an ebook from Amazon to work my way through Henry VIII's court. I don't think any royal blood here but want to figure out the situation. I was flu axed because some of the boys had two last names like Perrot/Tudor. I think those mysteries were t aken to the grave. John Perro t's sister married a Phillips. He has a wiki page. He seems to have been a jack *** and died in London Tower. When I read that in someone's tree I thought I should investigate him! Their mother was a "lady in waiting" in Henry VIII court. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1383 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-12 16:26:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on. Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I am glad you read my message. I was going to send y ou a copy. I have an older Robbins genealogy done by a girl who did this as a high school student in the 80's before family trees were available on the Internet and the Faus Geneology has our branch including Joshua an d Jane Dildane. The nun's records are stored at a university someplace I think. I did find her complete as far as I know geneology of the Robbins. I should call them up and see what she had for records. Every time I write you I misplace it. She goes on about John Dildine revolutionary war person etc. In John Robbins records I checked out a census record, my great grandfather not born yet, showed his record in the middle of the Phi llips boys records worth about 600 pounds. His father in law had the most. That might be the record where whoever took the census spelled it Robans or similar. I will keep at it until I get it right. Think I need to cle ar my head a little but hard to put it down. Might do a little Henry VIII reading tonight. Hope you are enjoying the weather. We had a huge storm Sunday morning. They showed a snowplow pushing hail out of the street in the northern Twin Cities. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 12, 2017, 2:20 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, You’ve done well to question whether your ancestor John Dildaine Robbins is a son of Joshua Robbins. Since John was born in Davidson Twp, Sullivan County, he is not likely a son of Joshua. Joshua lived in Columbia County before moving to Lycoming County. It is quite a coincidence that your John Robbins was born about the same time as John Robbins, son of Joshua. It’s also quite a coincidence how similar Dildaine is to Dildine. Garry From: ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 12:37 PMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on. Hi, it would be fun to hear what other members are working on. I have my great grandfather, John Wesley Robbins, father of my grandmother, Anna Laura Robbins Crellin who everyone called Becca, as son of John Dildaine Ro bbins who was born in 1814 in Davidson Township,Sullivan County, PA. John married Hannah Phillips from the same township and county. Her father was Griffith John Phillips and her mother was Mary Hughes. John Robbins and his family of 5, I believe, loaded up in a covered wagon circa 1858, and left with a wagon train headed to Iowa. The reason for this I do not have written in stone. Evidently one of their sons was diagnosed with consum ption and the doctor recommended they get him out in the open air. I have read quite a bit of history on the settlers moving into PA and how dense the forest was in some parts where you could hardly see the sun during t he day. I need to read some more and try to get more records on Jane Robbins. I have Joshu a Robbins and Jane Dildine Robbins down as John's parents but I am not sure my Johnny Dildaine is their son, totally although m ost of the family trees have that. I have found some Quaker records on Ancestry that some have used to place her in various places mostly getting visits from a group of women trying to get her back in the graces of the church and her not caring and the ladies reporting back. These could be two different Janes as I need to check out her religious beliefs. In the meantime I need a break from the Robbins although I am always happy to get a smidgen of Robbins history. The last days I have been working on the Phillips family which I have gotten all the way back to Henry VIII. Yesterday I purchased an ebook from Amazon to work my way through Henry VIII's court. I don't think any royal blood here but want to figure out the situation. I was flu axed because some of the boys had two last names like Perrot/Tudor. I think those mysteries were t aken to the grave. John Perro t's sister married a Phillips. He has a wiki page. He seems to have been a jack *** and died in London Tower. When I read that in someone's tree I thought I should investigate him! 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Message: In a separate message you mentioned a FAUS genealogy. I would like to prove the spouse of Wilhelm KUHL (1733 Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1815 Sussex Co, NJ) as Ester Maria FAUS (d 1825). Can you point me to, or give me further info concerning the FAUS genealogy you mentioned? I normally focus on ROBINS in Hunterdon Co, NJ, but I'm currently working on expanding/documenting my ROBINS database (all descendants of Daniel ROBINS, 1627 Scotland - 1714 Monmouth Co, NJ). > Hi, it would be fun to hear what other members are working on. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1385 Sender:"Stromberger, John" Post Date/Time:2017-06-12 20:19:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on. Message: I've recently traced my ancestry to William Robbins/Mary Evans. Trying to go further back. My branch centered in Greene County, PA. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 12, 2017, at 1:02 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Hi, > > You’ve done well to question whether your ancestor John Dildaine Robbins is a son of Joshua Robbins. Since John was born in Davidson Twp, Sullivan County, he is not likely a son of Joshua. Joshua lived in Columbia C ounty before moving to Lycoming County. > > It is quite a coincidence that your John Robbins was born about the same time as John Robbins, son of Joshua. It’s also quite a coincidence how similar Dildaine is to Dildine. > > Garry > > From: ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 12:37 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on. > > > Hi, it would be fun to hear what other members are working on. I have my great grandfather, John Wesley Robbins, father of my grandmother, Anna Laura Robbins Crellin who everyone called Becca, as son of John Dildaine Robbins who was born in 1814 in Davidson Township,Sullivan County, PA. John married Hannah Phillips from the same township and county. Her father was Griffith John Phillips and her mother was Mary Hughes. John Robbins a nd his family of 5, I believe, loaded up in a covered wagon circa 1858, and left with a wagon train headed to Iowa. The reason for this I do not have written in stone. Evidently one of their sons was diagnosed with cons umption and the doctor recommended they get him out in the open air. I have read quite a bit of history on the settlers moving into PA and how dense the forest was in some parts where you could hardly see the sun during the day. I need to read some more and try to get more records on Jane Robbins. I have Joshu a Robbins and Jane Dildine Robbins down as John's parents but I am not sure my Johnny Dildaine is their son, totally although most of the family trees have that. I have found some Quaker records on Ancestry that some have used to place her in various places mostly getting visits from a group of women trying to get her back in the graces of th e church and her not caring and the ladies reporting back. These could be two different Janes as I need to check out her religious beliefs. In the meantime I need a break from the Robbins although I am always happy to g et a smidgen of Robbins history. The last days I have been working on the Phillips family which I have gotten all the way back to Henry VIII. Yesterday I purchased an ebook from Amazon to work my way through Henry VIII' s court. I don't think any royal blood here but want to figure out the situation. I was flu axed because some of the boys had two last names like Perrot/Tudor. I think those mysteries were t aken to the grave. John Per rot's sister married a Phillips. He has a wiki page. He seems to have been a jack *** and died in London Tower. When I read that in someone's tree I thought I should investigate him! Their mother was a "lady in waiting " in Henry VIII court. > > -- "This message and any attachment constitute a PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL communication and may contain legally privileged information. Do not share any information from this communication with any one unless you have received permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, further distribution or use of these items is prohibited. In that case, do not read, copy or use the information contained herein or disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message and then delete it from your system." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1386 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-13 03:17:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on. Message: Hi, Your Faus ancestor will not be in the mentioned Faus genealogy, which begins with Henry born about 1775. Jacob Faus lived in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. He died there in 1806. Jacob would be a potential brother of your ancestor, Ester Maria. I have this note in my file, “Jacob immigrated to Philadelphia on 24 Augu st, 1765 on the ship, Polly. (Pg. 369, Daniel Rupp)” You’re very ambitious to be expanding your Robins/Robbins research. Garry Heagy From: Marshall Lake mlake@...t [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 11:02 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on. In a separate message you mentioned a FAUS genealogy. I would like to prove the spouse of Wilhelm KUHL (1733 Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1815 Sussex Co, NJ) as Ester Maria FAUS (d 1825). Can you point me to, or give me further info concerning the FAUS genealogy you mentioned? I normally focus on ROBINS in Hunterdon Co, NJ, but I'm currently working on expanding/documenting my ROBINS database (all descendants of Daniel ROBINS, 1627 Scotland - 1714 Monmouth Co, NJ). > Hi, it would be fun to hear what other members are working on. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1387 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-13 20:03:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on [FAUS] Message: Thanks for the FAUS genealogy info, Garry. And yes ... there are a LOT of ROBINS/ROBBINS descendants! > Your Faus ancestor will not be in the mentioned Faus genealogy, which > begins with Henry born about 1775. > > Jacob Faus lived in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. He died there in > 1806. Jacob would be a potential brother of your ancestor, Ester Maria. > I have this note in my file, “Jacob immigrated to Philadelphia on 24 > August, 1765 on the ship, Polly. (Pg. 369, Daniel Rupp)” > > You’re very ambitious to be expanding your Robins/Robbins research. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1388 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-14 11:48:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on [FAUS] Message: Hi Marshall, Please keep me in mind during your Robins/Robbins research. Joshua born 1777 New Jersey Vincent born 1764 New Jersey Joseph born about 1773 New Jersey John born about 1775 New Jersey I believe their father to be Joseph born about 1740 New Jersey Also, William born 1753 New Jersey. I believe him to be closely related, I doubt a son of Joseph, but maybe a brother. These Robins/Robbins all moved to Columbia County, PA, possibly Montour County first. They were all in Pennsylvania by 1790 except Vincent. It’s so unfortunate that the 1790 census (and others) for New Jersey were des troyed. Thanks, Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 11:03 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on [FAUS] Thanks for the FAUS genealogy info, Garry. And yes ... there are a LOT of ROBINS/ROBBINS descendants! > Your Faus ancestor will not be in the mentioned Faus genealogy, which > begins with Henry born about 1775. > > Jacob Faus lived in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. He died there in > 1806. Jacob would be a potential brother of your ancestor, Ester Maria. > I have this note in my file, “Jacob immigrated to Philadelphia on 24 > August, 1765 on the ship, Polly. (Pg. 369, Daniel Rupp)” > > You’re very ambitious to be expanding your Robins/Robbins research. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1389 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-14 21:09:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on [Joseph ROBINS] Message: I will certainly post to this list if I find what I think might be new ROBINS info. I have Joseph ROBINS (b 1743 NJ, son of Joseph ROBINS & Leah CLAYTON) who married Jane HOOPES (c1740 PA - 1838 NJ) in 1768 in Philadelphia. Is that the Joseph ROBINS to whom you're referring? > Please keep me in mind during your Robins/Robbins research. > > Joshua born 1777 New Jersey > Vincent born 1764 New Jersey > Joseph born about 1773 New Jersey > John born about 1775 New Jersey > > I believe their father to be Joseph born about 1740 New Jersey > > Also, William born 1753 New Jersey. I believe him to be closely related, I doubt a son of Joseph, but maybe a brother. > > These Robins/Robbins all moved to Columbia County, PA, possibly Montour > County first. They were all in Pennsylvania by 1790 except Vincent. > It’s so unfortunate that the 1790 census (and others) for New Jersey were > destroyed. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1390 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-15 03:13:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on [Joseph ROBINS] Message: Hi Marshall, I wish it was. I’ve got no family records for my Joseph Robins that I’m aware of. I don’t have any record of him before the 1790 census (maybe a land record in the area). Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:09 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on [Joseph ROBINS] I will certainly post to this list if I find what I think might be new ROBINS info. I have Joseph ROBINS (b 1743 NJ, son of Joseph ROBINS & Leah CLAYTON) who married Jane HOOPES (c1740 PA - 1838 NJ) in 1768 in Philadelphia. Is that the Joseph ROBINS to whom you're referring? > Please keep me in mind during your Robins/Robbins research. > > Joshua born 1777 New Jersey > Vincent born 1764 New Jersey > Joseph born about 1773 New Jersey > John born about 1775 New Jersey > > I believe their father to be Joseph born about 1740 New Jersey > > Also, William born 1753 New Jersey. I believe him to be closely related, I doubt a son of Joseph, but maybe a brother. > > These Robins/Robbins all moved to Columbia County, PA, possibly Montour > County first. They were all in Pennsylvania by 1790 except Vincent. > It’s so unfortunate that the 1790 census (and others) for New Jersey were > destroyed. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1391 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-16 13:20:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on [Joseph ROBINS] Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Yahoo, at least I have a couple of more names to wor k with. William S. Robbins, Sherman W. Robbins Catherine Robinson, Mary Laney, Cornelius. This is the deal. Today I looked through some old newspaper clippings online through US GenWeb Iowa. I found some tidbits. My family of Robbins moved from Davidson twp., Sullivan County. PA to Monona Cty. Iowa aroun d Onawa, Whiting and Decatur too is along the Missouri River. In these paragraphs I found out that yup they are in Iowa and doing pretty well. Well Clark Smith Robbins was into politics and he won some elections for t he republicans. Well I read some smidgens and put 2 and 2 together and Clark, my great grandfathers brother caught Sherman W. Seducing his wife, Mary, saying those things like I know how you look at me, etc. and Clark heard them, there was probably more, and Clark filed for divorce and Mary was before the judge. So everyone else I read about I know is in my Robbins family. So L quick looked up William S. And he may be from New Jersey . I can't work on it anymore for now but wondering how John Dildine Robbins and William/Sherman and possibly Cornelius Robbins family could be related some how. Onawa Iowa is not exactly like New York City. Interesting though that there was a little lumbering business in that area next to the Missouri as there are no trees anywhere else! Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, June 15, 2017, 5:13 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Eels Marshall, I wish it was. I’ve got no family records for my Joseph Robins that I’m aware of. I don’t have any record of him before the 1790 census (maybe a land record in the area). Garry From: Marshall Lake mlak e@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:09 AMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] What we are working on [Joseph ROBINS] I will certainly post to this list if I find what I think might be new ROBINS info. I have Joseph ROBINS (b 1743 NJ, son of Joseph ROBINS & Leah CLAYTON) who married Jane HOOPES (c1740 PA - 1838 NJ) in 1768 in Philadelphia. Is that the Joseph ROBINS to whom you're referring? > Please keep me in mind during your Robins/Robbins research. > > Joshua born 1777 New Jersey > Vincent born 1764 New Jersey > Joseph born about 1773 New Jersey > John born about 1775 New Jersey > > I believe their father to be Joseph born about 1740 New Jersey > > Also, William born 1753 New Jersey. I believe him to be closely related, I doubt a son of Joseph, but maybe a brother. > > These Robins/Robbins all moved to Columbia County, PA, possibly Montour > County first. 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There don’t seem to be many. Did these families not attend church, did the churches not collect records, did the records get destroyed? Thanks, Garry Heagy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1393 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-17 08:13:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS in Iowa Message: I have: William Slater Robbins, b 1831 NJ, d 1906 Decatur County, Iowa. He was living in Jackson Township, Pickaway County, Ohio in 1850. He married Caroline Robinson in 1857. Children: David, Elizabeth, Charles N, Martha, Sherman, Ann, Hamilton, Emma, Frank. William Slater Robbins was the son of Cornelius Robbins (1775 NJ - 1849 Jackson Township, Pickaway County, Ohio) and Anne Harkinson (1791 - 1867 Leon, Decatur County, Iowa). > Yahoo, at least I have a couple of more names to work with. William S. > Robbins, Sherman W. Robbins Catherine Robinson, Mary Laney, Cornelius. > This is the deal. Today I looked through some old newspaper clippings > online through US GenWeb Iowa. I found some tidbits. My family of > Robbins moved from Davidson twp., Sullivan County. PA to Monona Cty. Iowa > around Onawa, Whiting and Decatur too is along the Missouri River. In > these paragraphs I found out that yup they are in Iowa and doing pretty > well. Well Clark Smith Robbins was into politics and he won some > elections for the republicans. Well I read some smidgens and put 2 and 2 > together and Clark, my great grandfathers brother caught Sherman W. > Seducing his wife, Mary, saying those things like I know how you look at > me, etc. and Clark heard them, there was probably more, and Clark filed > for divorce and Mary was before the judge. So everyone else I read about > I know is in my Robbins family. So L quick looked up William S. And he > may be from New Jersey. I can't work on it anymore for now but wondering > how John Dildine Robbins and William/Sherman and possibly Cornelius > Robbins family could be related some how. Onawa Iowa is not exactly like > New York City. Interesting though that there was a little lumbering > business in that area next to the Missouri as there are no trees anywhere > else! -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1394 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-17 21:37:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Jersey Church Records Message: I agree, church records seem to be lacking for ROBINS. There are baptismal records for First German and English Congregation in Knowlton Twp, Sussex (Warren after 1823) County, NJ which date to 1760. I've found several of my German ancestors there but no ROBINS. The First Presbyterian Church of Bloomsbury was attended by several ROBINS. I've seen marriage and baptismal records (transcribed only) for this church but they're always fragmented. I've never seen a complete list. I think there are records for the Old Hardwick Reformed Lutheran Church, Hardwick Township, Sussex County, New Jersey but I haven't seen them. And I think there are records for the Readington Reformed Church, Readington Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey but I haven't seen them. The previous two churches are probably German churches. I'm sure there a couple of other churches which I'm forgetting. > I’m wondering about New Jersey church records in the 1700’s and early > 1800’s for our Robins/Robbins families in Hunterdon and Sussex Counties. > There don’t seem to be many. > > Did these families not attend church, did the churches not collect > records, did the records get destroyed? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1395 Sender:Hello Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-06-17 23:59:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Jersey Church Records Message: Hello I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of Knowlton NJ From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name and the church denomination, There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can eliminate them? Barbara California On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > I agree, church records seem to be lacking for ROBINS. > > There are baptismal records for First German and English Congregation in > Knowlton Twp, Sussex (Warren after 1823) County, NJ which date to 1760. > I've found several of my German ancestors there but no ROBINS. > > The First Presbyterian Church of Bloomsbury was attended by several > ROBINS. > I've seen marriage and baptismal records (transcribed only) for this > church > but they're always fragmented. I've never seen a complete list. > > I think there are records for the Old Hardwick Reformed Lutheran Church, > Hardwick Township, Sussex County, New Jersey but I haven't seen them. > > And I think there are records for the Readington Reformed Church, > Readington Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey but I haven't seen them. > > The previous two churches are probably German churches. > > I'm sure there a couple of other churches which I'm forgetting. > > > I’m wondering about New Jersey church records in the 1700’s and early > > 1800’s for our Robins/Robbins families in Hunterdon and Sussex Counties. > > There don’t seem to be many. > > > > Did these families not attend church, did the churches not collect > > records, did the records get destroyed? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > -- *Barbara Anderson* ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1396 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-18 04:00:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Jersey Church Records Message: Hi, What religion were most of the Robins/Robbins that lived in Hunterdon and Sussex Counties, NJ? I’ve seen many Quaker records for Burlington and Philadelphia. I see Quakers didn’t practice baptism, that could explain the lack of records. Quaker meetings were organized by geographic areas consisting mainly of Preparative Meetings (Particular Meetings), Monthly Meetings, Quarterly Meetings, and Yearly Meetings. Records of Monthly Meetings hold the most vi tal information for genealogists. They may contain a history of the meeting, lists of members, marriages, deaths, removals, and disownings. Quakers did not practice baptism. Garry From: Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Jersey Church Records Hello I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of Knowlton NJ From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name and the church denomination, There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can eliminate them? Barbara California On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I agree, church records seem to be lacking for ROBINS. There are baptismal records for First German and English Congregation in Knowlton Twp, Sussex (Warren after 1823) County, NJ which date to 1760. I've found several of my German ancestors there but no ROBINS. The First Presbyterian Church of Bloomsbury was attended by several ROBINS. I've seen marriage and baptismal records (transcribed only) for this church but they're always fragmented. I've never seen a complete list. I think there are records for the Old Hardwick Reformed Lutheran Church, Hardwick Township, Sussex County, New Jersey but I haven't seen them. And I think there are records for the Readington Reformed Church, Readington Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey but I haven't seen them. The previous two churches are probably German churches. I'm sure there a couple of other churches which I'm forgetting. > I’m wondering about New Jersey church records in the 1700’s and early > 1800’s for our Robins/Robbins families in Hunterdon and Sussex Counties. > There don’t seem to be many. > > Did these families not attend church, did the churches not collect > records, did the records get destroyed? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net -- Barbara Anderson ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1397 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-18 06:08:20 Subject:Quakers Message: Hi, I’ve learned that there was a Friends Meeting House in Kingwood, Hunterdon County, PA. It existed until about 1763. About 1752, the Kingwood FMH organized the Hardwick FMH. Hardwick is located in Warren County, NJ. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1398 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-18 07:05:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Quakers Message: Hi, I’ve learned a couple of interesting things: 1) March 8, 1756 Kingwood Monthly Meeting, Job Robins requested that he and his family be allowed to join the congregation. They were accepted. 2) Nov. 19, 1761 Kingwood Monthly Meeting, Daniel Robins was found guilty of “Drinking Spiritious Liquors”. Meetings at Hardwick discuss this issue. I’m guessing Daniel probably lived in Warren/Sussex County. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:08 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Quakers Hi, I’ve learned that there was a Friends Meeting House in Kingwood, Hunterdon County, PA. It existed until about 1763. About 1752, the Kingwood FMH organized the Hardwick FMH. Hardwick is located in Warren County, NJ. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1399 Sender: Post Date/Time:2017-06-18 09:28:59 Subject:Fathers Day 2017 Message: I t seemed an appropriate day to remember the fathers before me and provide an introduction to the community. • Robert Raber Robins, Jr. (Philadelphia, PA 1917-2004) • Robert Raber Robins, Sr. (Deibler, PA 1884-1967) • Frank A. Robins (Shamokin, PA 1855-1925) • Dr. Edwin S. Robins (Elysburg, PA 1832-1908) • Dr. Joseph Craven Robins (Sunbury, PA 1806-1893) • Aaron Robins (Sunbury, PA 1784-1842) • ??? • Daniel Robins (Scotland 1627-1714) My continuing search for the missing links is focused I Northumberland County Pennsylvania where I will be doing some local research later this summer. Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD "Honor your father and mother - which is the first commandment with a promise - that it may go well with you and that you may have a long life in the land." ph. 6:2-3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1400 Sender:Hello Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-06-19 00:12:12 Subject:Daniel Robbins Message: I have. been reading several articles/books by Sara Robbins Hoffman. (how kind of her to share her info and not make us buy her books) She lists Daniel Jr. married to Mary Parker in 1691. Mary seems to die in childbirth with her first child, the date being 1692. Who then is the mother of the rest of his children? Thank you barbara -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1401 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-19 05:32:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: I'm not familiar with any ROBINS from Ireland. Could "JC" be "JP" (Justice of the Peace) ? Could "Barnabus Swenje" be Barnabus Swayze? There was indeed a Barnabus Swayze who was a Justice of the Peace in Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. I have: Isaac ROBINS (1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1836 Columbia Co, PA). Isaac married Bathsheba HUMMEL. They were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ in 1825. In 1833 they were living in Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. In 1836 they were living in Columbia Co, PA. Isaac son of Daniel ROBINS (1736 Amwell Twp - 1802 Knowlton Twp) and Ann. > I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of > Knowlton NJ > > From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. > > However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature > seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name > and the church denomination, > > There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. > > Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can > eliminate them? > > Barbara > California -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1402 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-19 05:42:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Quakers Message: Interesting. Where did you find these things? Yes, many/most of the ROBINS were Quakers. I once spent a day researching at Friends Historical Library, Swarthmore College (supposedly a main facility for Quaker records) and never found a single thing on any ROBINS. > I’ve learned a couple of interesting things: > > 1) March 8, 1756 Kingwood Monthly Meeting, Job Robins requested that he > and his family be allowed to join the congregation. They were accepted. > > 2) Nov. 19, 1761 Kingwood Monthly Meeting, Daniel Robins was found > guilty of “Drinking Spiritious Liquors”. Meetings at Hardwick discuss > this issue. I’m guessing Daniel probably lived in Warren/Sussex County. > -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1403 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-19 05:51:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Aaron ROBINS Message: Do you know Daniel Robins (Scotland 1627-1714) is in your direct line from Y-DNA? What else do you know about Aaron ROBINS (Sunbury, PA 1784-1842)? Do you know who he married? > It seemed an appropriate day to remember the fathers before me and provide an introduction to the community. > > • Robert Raber Robins, Jr. (Philadelphia, PA 1917-2004) > • Robert Raber Robins, Sr. (Deibler, PA 1884-1967) > • Frank A. Robins (Shamokin, PA 1855-1925) > • Dr. Edwin S. Robins (Elysburg, PA 1832-1908) > • Dr. Joseph Craven Robins (Sunbury, PA 1806-1893) > • Aaron Robins (Sunbury, PA 1784-1842) > • ??? > • Daniel Robins (Scotland 1627-1714) > > My continuing search for the missing links is focused I Northumberland > County Pennsylvania where I will be doing some local research later this > summer. > > Bob Robins > Silver Spring, MD -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1404 Sender:Bob Robins Post Date/Time:2017-06-19 06:38:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Aaron ROBINS Message: Yes - the Daniel Robbins connection is based solely on Y DNA (FTDNA Y111 & Big Y) at this point. Finding the paper trail back is the challenge now. Aaron married Rebecca Richardson (1786-1867) in Sunbury, PA in 1803 an I have her family traced back several generations further. My best options for Aaron's father seem to be two brothers (William and Zachariah, and a sister Marabe - from William's 1780 will) who were in Northumberland County in the early 1770s. William's will mentions an unnamed child born in May 1780 to Mary Everhart, and some have taken this to be Aaron, but I am currently using a 1784 birth for Aaron based on the Find a grave record. Aaron does include prop erty in his will that had William Robins/Robbins as the original warrantee however so the Find a grave data may be incorrect. Aaron is not mentioned in Zachariah's 1809 will and Zachariah's son Gilbert only mentions Aar on in his 1815 will as the owner of an adjoining plot in Sunbury. A search of courthouse and other local records this summer will hopefully provide some clarity. ⁣Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD​On Jun 19, 2017, at 8:51 AM, "Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Do you know Daniel Robins (Scotland 1627-1714) is in your direct line from Y-DNA? What else do you know about Aaron ROBINS (Sunbury, PA 1784-1842)? Do you know who he married? > It seemed an appropriate day to remember the fathers before me and provide an introduction to the community. > > • Robert Raber Robins, Jr. (Philadelphia, PA 1917-2004) > • Robert Raber Robins, Sr. (Deibler, PA 1884-1967) > • Frank A. Robins (Shamokin, PA 1855-1925) > • Dr. Edwin S. Robins (Elysburg, PA 1832-1908) > • Dr. Joseph Craven Robins (Sunbury, PA 1806-1893) > • Aaron Robins (Sunbury, PA 1784-1842) > • ??? > • Daniel Robins (Scotland 1627-1714) > > My continuing search for the missing links is focused I Northumberland > County Pennsylvania where I will be doing some local research later this > summer. > > Bob Robins > Silver Spring, MD On Jun 19, 2017, 8:51 AM, at 8:51 AM, "Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > >Do you know Daniel Robins (Scotland 1627-1714) is in your direct line >from >Y-DNA? > >What else do you know about Aaron ROBINS (Sunbury, PA 1784-1842)? Do >you >know who he married? > > > >> It seemed an appropriate day to remember the fathers before me and >provide an introduction to the community. >> >> • Robert Raber Robins, Jr. (Philadelphia, PA 1917-2004) >> • Robert Raber Robins, Sr. (Deibler, PA 1884-1967) >> • Frank A. Robins (Shamokin, PA 1855-1925) >> • Dr. Edwin S. Robins (Elysburg, PA 1832-1908) >> • Dr. Joseph Craven Robins (Sunbury, PA 1806-1893) >> • Aaron Robins (Sunbury, PA 1784-1842) >> • ??? >> • Daniel Robins (Scotland 1627-1714) >> >> My continuing search for the missing links is focused I >Northumberland >> County Pennsylvania where I will be doing some local research later >this >> summer. >> >> Bob Robins >> Silver Spring, MD > >-- >Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1405 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-19 06:43:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Quakers Message: Hi Marshall, Ancestry.com had the information. There’s a lot of reading one could do. I found another record: 14 April, 1760 Kingwood meeting held at Hardwick (informed by Kingwood) Andrew Robins has gone out in marriage, have been treated for the same. There was later discussion about him remaining in the congregation. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@...t [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:42 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Quakers Interesting. Where did you find these things? Yes, many/most of the ROBINS were Quakers. I once spent a day researching at Friends Historical Library, Swarthmore College (supposedly a main facility for Quaker records) and never found a single thing on any ROBINS. > I’ve learned a couple of interesting things: > > 1) March 8, 1756 Kingwood Monthly Meeting, Job Robins requested that he > and his family be allowed to join the congregation. They were accepted. > > 2) Nov. 19, 1761 Kingwood Monthly Meeting, Daniel Robins was found > guilty of “Drinking Spiritious Liquors”. Meetings at Hardwick discuss > this issue. I’m guessing Daniel probably lived in Warren/Sussex County. > -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1406 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-19 08:40:25 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: The Robins family from Ireland is based on what was recorded in the Sincy Robbins Bible record. I've not seen any copies but I believe the was or is a Bible record. As I recall supposedly Sincy & four sons came to America from Ireland. There are Robbins descendants who believe they are descendants of Sincy Robbins. Garry has been working on this line & has an alternative theory that I agree is quite possible. Also there are previous posts here on the topic of Sincy Robbins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:33 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ I'm not familiar with any ROBINS from Ireland. Could "JC" be "JP" (Justice of the Peace) ? Could "Barnabus Swenje" be Barnabus Swayze? There was indeed a Barnabus Swayze who was a Justice of the Peace in Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. I have: Isaac ROBINS (1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1836 Columbia Co, PA). Isaac married Bathsheba HUMMEL. They were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ in 1825. In 1833 they were living in Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. In 1836 they were living in Columbia Co, PA. Isaac son of Daniel ROBINS (1736 Amwell Twp - 1802 Knowlton Twp) and Ann. > I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of > Knowlton NJ > > From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. > > However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature > seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name > and the church denomination, > > There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. > > Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can > eliminate them? > > Barbara > California -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1407 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-19 13:54:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Shes, you want to eliminate us? haha. No, I know wh at you mean. At this point all I know is that my first Robbins I know for sure married Hannah J Phillips, daughter of Griffith Phillips, Sr. Got married in Davidson Twp., What is now part of Sullivan Cty., PA and circa 1858 left with a wagon train party and eventually landed in Monona, Cty., Iowa. He is John Dildaine or Dildine Robbins born in Feb.14, 1814, supposedly in Davidson Cty. I can write more later, just home from a trip jus t now and must rest! My great grandfather was John Wesley Robbins, the youngest born in 1856, I believe without looking up. I am learning that in everyday conversation they might have just called him Wesley probably to distinguish him from his father. My grandmother, Anna Laura, called Becca, Robbins was born in Whiting Iowa, Monona county in 1890. It looks to me like the 2 oldest boys farmed that land and the rest moved just across the Missouri River to A farm right next to the town of Lyons, NE. There are 5 boys in the family then comes the 2 girls. There are 2 other Robbins in Monona County I discovered from newspaper snippets just Thursday nig ht. One of my great grandfathers brothers, Clark Robbins caught his wife Mary and a Sherwin W. Robbins in a compromising situation and filed for divorce, not the kind of information you learn from your family. In late r information from the census Clark is married to a Vera Miles and living with Wesley and family in Lyons NE and Sherwin is living as a hired farmhand near Decatur Iowa. A quick lookup told me Sherwin is son of William S. Robbins and he is son of Cornelius Robbins from New Jersey. Not sure how I can possibly connect those two families but you never know. Only kind of documentation I have is Faus genealogy which hooks us up to Dildi nes and Sincy Robbins. I have tons of information on Phillips family which I firmly suspect is Quaker. They also are connected to John and Lloyd surname families who are Quaker. I know JOHN WESLEYRobbins family is subs tantially Methodist. My grandparents were very active Methodists, both from Lyons Nebraska. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 19, 2017, 10:40 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The Robins family from Ireland is based on what was recorded in the Sincy Robbins Bible record. I’ve not seen any copies but I believe the was or is a Bible record. As I recall supposedly Sincy & four sons came to Ameri ca from Ireland. There are Robbins descendants who believe they are descendants of Sincy Robbins. Garry has been working on this line & has an alternative theory that I agree is quite possible. Also there are previous p osts here on the topic of Sincy Robbins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:33 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ I'm not familiar with any ROBINS from Ireland. Could "JC" be "JP" (Justice of the Peace) ? Could "Barnabus Swenje" be Barnabus Swayze? There was indeed a Barnabus Swayze who was a Justice of the Peace in Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. I have: Isaac ROBINS (1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1836 Columbia Co, PA). Isaac married Bathsheba HUMMEL. They were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ in 1825. In 1833 they were living in Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. In 1836 they were living in Columbia Co, PA. Isaac son of Daniel ROBINS (1736 Amwell Twp - 1802 Knowlton Twp) and Ann. > I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of > Knowlton NJ > > From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. > > However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature > seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name > and the church denomination, > > There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. > > Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can > eliminate them? > > Barbara > California -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709 -- #yiv9405719709ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv 9405719709ygrp-mkp #yiv9405719709hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709ygrp-mkp #yiv9405719709ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709 ygrp-mkp .yiv9405719709ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709ygrp-mkp .yiv9405719709ad p {margin:0;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709ygrp-mkp .yiv9405719709ad a 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14:05:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } My John Robbins could have been from any of the 3 co unties that land for Davidson Twp, was taken from. Maybe it first was put in Lycoming Cty then Sullivan came into being. I have a chart but did not check it twice like you are supposed to. It just is confusing as is th e reason so many dates are 1 day off. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 19, 2017, 10:40 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The Robins family from Ireland is based on what was recorded in the Sincy Robbins Bible record. I’ve not seen any copies but I believe the was or is a Bible record. As I recall supposedly Sincy & four sons came to Ameri ca from Ireland. There are Robbins descendants who believe they are descendants of Sincy Robbins. Garry has been working on this line & has an alternative theory that I agree is quite possible. Also there are previous p osts here on the topic of Sincy Robbins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:33 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ I'm not familiar with any ROBINS from Ireland. Could "JC" be "JP" (Justice of the Peace) ? Could "Barnabus Swenje" be Barnabus Swayze? There was indeed a Barnabus Swayze who was a Justice of the Peace in Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. I have: Isaac ROBINS (1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1836 Columbia Co, PA). Isaac married Bathsheba HUMMEL. They were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ in 1825. In 1833 they were living in Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. In 1836 they were living in Columbia Co, PA. Isaac son of Daniel ROBINS (1736 Amwell Twp - 1802 Knowlton Twp) and Ann. > I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of > Knowlton NJ > > From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. > > However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature > seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name > and the church denomination, > > There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. > > Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can > eliminate them? > > Barbara > California -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709 -- #yiv9405719709ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv 9405719709ygrp-mkp #yiv9405719709hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709ygrp-mkp #yiv9405719709ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709 ygrp-mkp .yiv9405719709ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709ygrp-mkp .yiv9405719709ad p {margin:0;}#yiv9405719709 #yiv9405719709ygrp-mkp .yiv9405719709ad a 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15:35:49 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: Actually, we want to include you in the Daniel Robinson/Robins family. A few years ago I tried to encourage one of the Sincy Robbins males who was a perfect candidate to take a Y-DNA test. He was unwilling to do so beca use he told me he was totally convinced Sincy Robbins was from Ireland & not related to the Daniel Robins. I have no proof but my theory is the Sincy Robbins descendants are from Daniel Robins 1627-1714. Unless a reliab le record can be found & none has been discovered at this time, it appears Y-DNA is the only & most accurate way to establish a Sincy Robbins link to the Daniel Robins family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:54 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Shes, you want to eliminate us? haha. No, I know what you mean. At this point all I know is that my first Robbins I know for sure married Hannah J Phillips, daughter of Griffith Phillips, Sr. Got married in Davidson T wp., What is now part of Sullivan Cty., PA and circa 1858 left with a wagon train party and eventually landed in Monona, Cty., Iowa. He is John Dildaine or Dildine Robbins born in Feb.14, 1814, supposedly in Davidson Ct y. I can write more later, just home from a trip just now and must rest! My great grandfather was John Wesley Robbins, the youngest born in 1856, I believe without looking up. I am learning that in everyday conversation they might have just called him Wesley probably to distinguish him from his father. My grandmother, Anna Laura, called Becca, Robbins was born in Whiting Iowa, Monona county in 1890. It looks to me like the 2 oldest b oys farmed that land and the rest moved just across the Missouri River to A farm right next to the town of Lyons, NE. There are 5 boys in the family then comes the 2 girls. There are 2 other Robbins in Monona County I discovered from newspaper snippets just Thursday night. One of my great grandfathers brothers, Clark Robbins caught his wife Mary and a Sherwin W. Robbins in a compromising situation and filed for divorce, not the kind of information you learn from your family. In later information from the census Clark is married to a Vera Miles and living with Wesley and family in Lyons NE and Sherwin is living as a hired farmhand near Decatur Iow a. A quick lookup told me Sherwin is son of William S. Robbins and he is son of Cornelius Robbins from New Jersey. Not sure how I can possibly connect those two families but you never know. Only kind of documentation I have is Faus genealogy which hooks us up to Dildines and Sincy Robbins. I have tons of information on Phillips family which I firmly suspect is Quaker. They also are connected to John and Lloyd surname families who a re Quaker. I know JOHN WESLEYRobbins family is substantially Methodist. My grandparents were very active Methodists, both from Lyons Nebraska. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 19, 2017, 10:40 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The Robins family from Ireland is based on what was recorded in the Sincy Robbins Bible record. I’ve not seen any copies but I believe the was or is a Bible record. As I recall supposedly Sincy & four sons came to Ameri ca from Ireland. There are Robbins descendants who believe they are descendants of Sincy Robbins. Garry has been working on this line & has an alternative theory that I agree is quite possible. Also there are previous p osts here on the topic of Sincy Robbins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:33 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ I'm not familiar with any ROBINS from Ireland. Could "JC" be "JP" (Justice of the Peace) ? Could "Barnabus Swenje" be Barnabus Swayze? There was indeed a Barnabus Swayze who was a Justice of the Peace in Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. I have: Isaac ROBINS (1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1836 Columbia Co, PA). Isaac married Bathsheba HUMMEL. They were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ in 1825. In 1833 they were living in Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. In 1836 they were living in Columbia Co, PA. Isaac son of Daniel ROBINS (1736 Amwell Twp - 1802 Knowlton Twp) and Ann. > I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of > Knowlton NJ > > From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. > > However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature > seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name > and the church denomination, > > There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. > > Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can > eliminate them? > > Barbara > California -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1410 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-20 02:43:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: Hi Sara, Your emails are good, as usual. 1) There are a lot of Robbins supposedly descended from Sincy. It’s sad that we can’t get 1 male to take the Y-DNA test. 2) Who’s the first person who said Sincy Robins is the ancestor of Joshua, possibly the father and what was the source. I think 2 of Joshua’s children were alive for the 1880 census. One indicated Joshua was born in New Jersey, the other Pennsylvania, not Ireland. Pennsylvania is a valid because Joshua was living in Pennsylvania prior to 1790 (He was young). Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Actually, we want to include you in the Daniel Robinson/Robins family. A few years ago I tried to encourage one of the Sincy Robbins males who was a perfect candidate to take a Y-DNA test. He was unwilling to do so beca use he told me he was totally convinced Sincy Robbins was from Ireland & not related to the Daniel Robins. I have no proof but my theory is the Sincy Robbins descendants are from Daniel Robins 1627-1714. Unless a reliab le record can be found & none has been discovered at this time, it appears Y-DNA is the only & most accurate way to establish a Sincy Robbins link to the Daniel Robins family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:54 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Shes, you want to eliminate us? haha. No, I know what you mean. At this point all I know is that my first Robbins I know for sure married Hannah J Phillips, daughter of Griffith Phillips, Sr. Got married in Davidson T wp., What is now part of Sullivan Cty., PA and circa 1858 left with a wagon train party and eventually landed in Monona, Cty., Iowa. He is John Dildaine or Dildine Robbins born in Feb.14, 1814, supposedly in Davidson Ct y. I can write more later, just home from a trip just now and must rest! My great grandfather was John Wesley Robbins, the youngest born in 1856, I believe without looking up. I am learning that in everyday conversation they might have just called him Wesley probably to distinguish him from his father. My grandmother, Anna Laura, called Becca, Robbins was born in Whiting Iowa, Monona county in 1890. It looks to me like the 2 oldest b oys farmed that land and the rest moved just across the Missouri River to A farm right next to the town of Lyons, NE. There are 5 boys in the family then comes the 2 girls. There are 2 other Robbins in Monona County I discovered from newspaper snippets just Thursday night. One of my great grandfathers brothers, Clark Robbins caught his wife Mary and a Sherwin W. Robbins in a compromising situation and filed for divorce, not the kind of information you learn from your family. In later information from the census Clark is married to a Vera Miles and living with Wesley and family in Lyons NE and Sherwin is living as a hired farmhand near Decatur Iow a. A quick lookup told me Sherwin is son of William S. Robbins and he is son of Cornelius Robbins from New Jersey. Not sure how I can possibly connect those two families but you never know. Only kind of documentation I have is Faus genealogy which hooks us up to Dildines and Sincy Robbins. I have tons of information on Phillips family which I firmly suspect is Quaker. They also are connected to John and Lloyd surname families who a re Quaker. I know JOHN WESLEYRobbins family is substantially Methodist. My grandparents were very active Methodists, both from Lyons Nebraska. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 19, 2017, 10:40 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The Robins family from Ireland is based on what was recorded in the Sincy Robbins Bible record. I’ve not seen any copies but I believe the was or is a Bible record. As I recall supposedly Sincy & four sons came to Ame rica from Ireland. There are Robbins descendants who believe they are descendants of Sincy Robbins. Garry has been working on this line & has an alternative theory that I agree is quite possible. Also there are previous posts here on the topic of Sincy Robbins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:33 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ I'm not familiar with any ROBINS from Ireland. Could "JC" be "JP" (Justice of the Peace) ? Could "Barnabus Swenje" be Barnabus Swayze? There was indeed a Barnabus Swayze who was a Justice of the Peace in Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. I have: Isaac ROBINS (1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1836 Columbia Co, PA). Isaac married Bathsheba HUMMEL. They were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ in 1825. In 1833 they were living in Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. In 1836 they were living in Columbia Co, PA. Isaac son of Daniel ROBINS (1736 Amwell Twp - 1802 Knowlton Twp) and Ann. > I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of > Knowlton NJ > > From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. > > However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature > seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name > and the church denomination, > > There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. > > Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can > eliminate them? > > Barbara > California -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1411 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-20 04:46:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Quakers Message: Hi, I’ve just had an interesting discovery. I’ve had the following records since last winter, but never made the Quaker/Friends connection, until now, not very astute of me. It seems that John, Vincent, Elizabeth, and Lydia Robbins below were Quakers/Friends. I believe John and Vincent are probably brothers of my ancestor Joshua. Lydia Robbins was the wife of William Robbins who lived nea r Millville. In 1809, William Robbins was part of a small group of people who started a Methodist congregation. There were Quakers living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, who came from Newton/Sussex Counties, New Jersey. Garry COLUMBIA COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA 2016-USGenWeb Celebrating 20 Years! Catawissa Monthly Meeting Marriages Chandlee Eves, son of John Eves and Edith, his wife, and Rachel Kester, daughter of Paul Kester and Anne, his wife, all of Derry Township in the County of Northumberland. Married under care of Catawissa Monthly Meeting at Fishing Creek, 1st mo, 5th day, 1797. Present at the Marriage: John Robbins Vincent Robbins Elizabeth Robbins Isaac Masters, son of James Masters and Margaret, his wife, and Sarah Kester, daughter of Paul Kester and Anne, his wife, all of Derry Township, Northumberland County. Married under care of the Catawissa Monthly Meeting in a public Meeting at Fishing Creek, 11 mo, 8th day, 1798. Present at the marriage: Lydia Robbins From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:43 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Quakers Hi Marshall, Ancestry.com had the information. There’s a lot of reading one could do. I found another record: 14 April, 1760 Kingwood meeting held at Hardwick (informed by Kingwood) Andrew Robins has gone out in marriage, have been treated for the same. There was later discussion about him remaining in the congregation. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:42 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Quakers Interesting. Where did you find these things? Yes, many/most of the ROBINS were Quakers. I once spent a day researching at Friends Historical Library, Swarthmore College (supposedly a main facility for Quaker records) and never found a single thing on any ROBINS. > I’ve learned a couple of interesting things: > > 1) March 8, 1756 Kingwood Monthly Meeting, Job Robins requested that he > and his family be allowed to join the congregation. They were accepted. > > 2) Nov. 19, 1761 Kingwood Monthly Meeting, Daniel Robins was found > guilty of “Drinking Spiritious Liquors”. Meetings at Hardwick discuss > this issue. I’m guessing Daniel probably lived in Warren/Sussex County. > -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1412 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-20 11:02:56 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: Garry, It would be wonderful to have a Y-DNA test of the Sincy Robbins family. It would answer the basic question of the correct Robbins family for the Sincy Robbins descendants. You are the first researcher of this line that I know who has done a thorough investigation of the link from Sincy Robbins to Joshua Robbins. You have looked at what information is available, sorted through it with an o pen mind without accepting everything at face value. None of the Sincy Robbins descendants I have had contact with in the past would consider the possibility they could be Daniel Robins descendants. I was so pleased whe n you contacted me about your work & your theory. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:44 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Hi Sara, Your emails are good, as usual. 1) There are a lot of Robbins supposedly descended from Sincy. It’s sad that we can’t get 1 male to take the Y-DNA test. 2) Who’s the first person who said Sincy Robins is the ancestor of Joshua, possibly the father and what was the source. I think 2 of Joshua’s children were alive for the 1880 census. One indicated Joshua was born in New Jersey, the other Pennsylvania, not Ireland. Pennsylvania is a valid because Joshua was living in Pennsylvania prior to 1790 (He was young). Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Actually, we want to include you in the Daniel Robinson/Robins family. A few years ago I tried to encourage one of the Sincy Robbins males who was a perfect candidate to take a Y-DNA test. He was unwilling to do so beca use he told me he was totally convinced Sincy Robbins was from Ireland & not related to the Daniel Robins. I have no proof but my theory is the Sincy Robbins descendants are from Daniel Robins 1627-1714. Unless a reliab le record can be found & none has been discovered at this time, it appears Y-DNA is the only & most accurate way to establish a Sincy Robbins link to the Daniel Robins family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:54 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Shes, you want to eliminate us? haha. No, I know what you mean. At this point all I know is that my first Robbins I know for sure married Hannah J Phillips, daughter of Griffith Phillips, Sr. Got married in Davidson T wp., What is now part of Sullivan Cty., PA and circa 1858 left with a wagon train party and eventually landed in Monona, Cty., Iowa. He is John Dildaine or Dildine Robbins born in Feb.14, 1814, supposedly in Davidson Ct y. I can write more later, just home from a trip just now and must rest! My great grandfather was John Wesley Robbins, the youngest born in 1856, I believe without looking up. I am learning that in everyday conversation they might have just called him Wesley probably to distinguish him from his father. My grandmother, Anna Laura, called Becca, Robbins was born in Whiting Iowa, Monona county in 1890. It looks to me like the 2 oldest b oys farmed that land and the rest moved just across the Missouri River to A farm right next to the town of Lyons, NE. There are 5 boys in the family then comes the 2 girls. There are 2 other Robbins in Monona County I discovered from newspaper snippets just Thursday night. One of my great grandfathers brothers, Clark Robbins caught his wife Mary and a Sherwin W. Robbins in a compromising situation and filed for divorce, not the kind of information you learn from your family. In later information from the census Clark is married to a Vera Miles and living with Wesley and family in Lyons NE and Sherwin is living as a hired farmhand near Decatur Iow a. A quick lookup told me Sherwin is son of William S. Robbins and he is son of Cornelius Robbins from New Jersey. Not sure how I can possibly connect those two families but you never know. Only kind of documentation I have is Faus genealogy which hooks us up to Dildines and Sincy Robbins. I have tons of information on Phillips family which I firmly suspect is Quaker. They also are connected to John and Lloyd surname families who a re Quaker. I know JOHN WESLEYRobbins family is substantially Methodist. My grandparents were very active Methodists, both from Lyons Nebraska. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 19, 2017, 10:40 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The Robins family from Ireland is based on what was recorded in the Sincy Robbins Bible record. I’ve not seen any copies but I believe the was or is a Bible record. As I recall supposedly Sincy & four sons came to Ameri ca from Ireland. There are Robbins descendants who believe they are descendants of Sincy Robbins. Garry has been working on this line & has an alternative theory that I agree is quite possible. Also there are previous p osts here on the topic of Sincy Robbins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:33 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ I'm not familiar with any ROBINS from Ireland. Could "JC" be "JP" (Justice of the Peace) ? Could "Barnabus Swenje" be Barnabus Swayze? There was indeed a Barnabus Swayze who was a Justice of the Peace in Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. I have: Isaac ROBINS (1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1836 Columbia Co, PA). Isaac married Bathsheba HUMMEL. They were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ in 1825. In 1833 they were living in Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. In 1836 they were living in Columbia Co, PA. Isaac son of Daniel ROBINS (1736 Amwell Twp - 1802 Knowlton Twp) and Ann. > I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of > Knowlton NJ > > From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. > > However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature > seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name > and the church denomination, > > There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. > > Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can > eliminate them? > > Barbara > California -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1413 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-20 13:21:19 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Message: Hi Barbara, Daniel Robins Jr.’s second wife was also named Mary but her maiden surname hasn’t been discovered. Mary ? was the mother of all his children except Daniel Robins III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. I see some tre es attached all the children to Mary Parker & this is incorrect. The source for the death of Mary Parker Robins 10-5-1692 & the birth of Daniel Robins, III b. 10-5, 1692 is the Woodbridge NJ Vital Records. These records also have the birth dates of Daniel Robins Jr.’s sons Jonathan b. 12-23-1694 & John b. 2-24-1695 naming their mother as Mary with no surname. We know Mary outlived Daniel as she is mentioned in the 1756 Will of son Job Robins of Hunterdon Co., NJ Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:12 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins I have. been reading several articles/books by Sara Robbins Hoffman. (how kind of her to share her info and not make us buy her books) She lists Daniel Jr. married to Mary Parker in 1691. Mary seems to die in childbirth with her first child, the date being 1692. Who then is the mother of the rest of his children? Thank you barbara -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1414 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-20 19:25:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA Message: Do we know of any living male descendants (with the ROBBINS surname) of Sincy ROBBINS ? Maybe if enough of us chipped in so that it didn't cost the tester anything then he would test? I'd be willing to chip in. > 1) There are a lot of Robbins supposedly descended from Sincy. It’s sad > that we can’t get 1 male to take the Y-DNA test. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1415 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-20 19:30:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Quakers Message: Thanks for posting the info below, Garry. I acquired the following recently. Maybe it will help someone ... Names of Persons for whom Marriage Licenses were Issued in Province of Pennsylvania Previous to 1790. Pennsylvania Archives, Second Series, Volume II, Edited by John B. Linn & Wm. H. Egle, MD. Robbins, Sarah, and Joseph Rice April 4, 1769 Robins, John and Elizabeth James June 17, 1771 Robins, Joseph and Jane Hoops Oct. 15, 1768 Robins, Margaret and Hastings Stackhouse Feb. 17, 1774 Robins, Margaret, and John Scott Oct. 25, 1775 Robins, Mary and Henry McAdams July 19, 1773 Robins, Mary and William Taylor Nov. 29, 1768 > I’ve just had an interesting discovery. I’ve had the following records > since last winter, but never made the Quaker/Friends connection, until > now, not very astute of me. > > It seems that John, Vincent, Elizabeth, and Lydia Robbins below were > Quakers/Friends. I believe John and Vincent are probably brothers of my > ancestor Joshua. Lydia Robbins was the wife of William Robbins who lived > near Millville. In 1809, William Robbins was part of a small group of > people who started a Methodist congregation. > > There were Quakers living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, who came > from Newton/Sussex Counties, New Jersey. > > Garry > > COLUMBIA COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA > 2016-USGenWeb Celebrating 20 Years! > Catawissa Monthly Meeting > Marriages > > Chandlee Eves, son of John Eves and Edith, his wife, and Rachel Kester, daughter of Paul Kester and Anne, his wife, all of Derry Township in the County of Northumberland. Married under care of Catawissa Monthly Meetin g at Fishing Creek, 1st mo, 5th day, 1797. Present at the Marriage: > John Robbins > Vincent Robbins > Elizabeth Robbins > > Isaac Masters, son of James Masters and Margaret, his wife, and Sarah Kester, daughter of Paul Kester and Anne, his wife, all of Derry Township, Northumberland County. Married under care of the Catawissa Monthly Meeti ng in a public Meeting at Fishing Creek, 11 mo, 8th day, 1798. > Present at the marriage: > Lydia Robbins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1416 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-21 03:49:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA Message: Hi Marshall, A good offer, I’d chip in also. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:25 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA Do we know of any living male descendants (with the ROBBINS surname) of Sincy ROBBINS ? Maybe if enough of us chipped in so that it didn't cost the tester anything then he would test? I'd be willing to chip in. > 1) There are a lot of Robbins supposedly descended from Sincy. It’s sad > that we can’t get 1 male to take the Y-DNA test. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1417 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-21 04:03:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: Hi Sarah, Thanks for your comments. You’ve probably addressed this question, but I’d like to know if a Robins/Robbins researcher has looked at the Quaker/Friends Meeting House records for Kingwood and Hardwick concerning the families. My head has been in the clouds concerning the Quakers. In Columbia County, PA, where my Joshua lived there were Meeting Houses at Catawissa and Millville/Fishing Creek. Many Quakers moved to Canada around 1800. I tho ught the New Jersey Robbins that moved to Canada were all Loyalists, but possibly some were part of the Quaker movement. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:02 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Garry, It would be wonderful to have a Y-DNA test of the Sincy Robbins family. It would answer the basic question of the correct Robbins family for the Sincy Robbins descendants. You are the first researcher of this line that I know who has done a thorough investigation of the link from Sincy Robbins to Joshua Robbins. You have looked at what information is available, sorted through it with an o pen mind without accepting everything at face value. None of the Sincy Robbins descendants I have had contact with in the past would consider the possibility they could be Daniel Robins descendants. I was so pleased whe n you contacted me about your work & your theory. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:44 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Hi Sara, Your emails are good, as usual. 1) There are a lot of Robbins supposedly descended from Sincy. It’s sad that we can’t get 1 male to take the Y-DNA test. 2) Who’s the first person who said Sincy Robins is the ancestor of Joshua, possibly the father and what was the source. I think 2 of Joshua’s children were alive for the 1880 census. One indicated Joshua was born in New Jersey, the other Pennsylvania, not Ireland. Pennsylvania is a valid because Joshua was living in Pennsylvania prior to 1790 (He was young). Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Actually, we want to include you in the Daniel Robinson/Robins family. A few years ago I tried to encourage one of the Sincy Robbins males who was a perfect candidate to take a Y-DNA test. He was unwilling to do so beca use he told me he was totally convinced Sincy Robbins was from Ireland & not related to the Daniel Robins. I have no proof but my theory is the Sincy Robbins descendants are from Daniel Robins 1627-1714. Unless a reliab le record can be found & none has been discovered at this time, it appears Y-DNA is the only & most accurate way to establish a Sincy Robbins link to the Daniel Robins family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:54 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Shes, you want to eliminate us? haha. No, I know what you mean. At this point all I know is that my first Robbins I know for sure married Hannah J Phillips, daughter of Griffith Phillips, Sr. Got married in Davidson T wp., What is now part of Sullivan Cty., PA and circa 1858 left with a wagon train party and eventually landed in Monona, Cty., Iowa. He is John Dildaine or Dildine Robbins born in Feb.14, 1814, supposedly in Davidson Ct y. I can write more later, just home from a trip just now and must rest! My great grandfather was John Wesley Robbins, the youngest born in 1856, I believe without looking up. I am learning that in everyday conversation they might have just called him Wesley probably to distinguish him from his father. My grandmother, Anna Laura, called Becca, Robbins was born in Whiting Iowa, Monona county in 1890. It looks to me like the 2 oldest b oys farmed that land and the rest moved just across the Missouri River to A farm right next to the town of Lyons, NE. There are 5 boys in the family then comes the 2 girls. There are 2 other Robbins in Monona County I discovered from newspaper snippets just Thursday night. One of my great grandfathers brothers, Clark Robbins caught his wife Mary and a Sherwin W. Robbins in a compromising situation and filed for divorce, not the kind of information you learn from your family. In later information from the census Clark is married to a Vera Miles and living with Wesley and family in Lyons NE and Sherwin is living as a hired farmhand near Decatur Iow a. A quick lookup told me Sherwin is son of William S. Robbins and he is son of Cornelius Robbins from New Jersey. Not sure how I can possibly connect those two families but you never know. Only kind of documentation I have is Faus genealogy which hooks us up to Dildines and Sincy Robbins. I have tons of information on Phillips family which I firmly suspect is Quaker. They also are connected to John and Lloyd surname families who a re Quaker. I know JOHN WESLEYRobbins family is substantially Methodist. My grandparents were very active Methodists, both from Lyons Nebraska. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 19, 2017, 10:40 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The Robins family from Ireland is based on what was recorded in the Sincy Robbins Bible record. I’ve not seen any copies but I believe the was or is a Bible record. As I recall supposedly Sincy & four sons came to Ame rica from Ireland. There are Robbins descendants who believe they are descendants of Sincy Robbins. Garry has been working on this line & has an alternative theory that I agree is quite possible. Also there are previous posts here on the topic of Sincy Robbins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:33 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ I'm not familiar with any ROBINS from Ireland. Could "JC" be "JP" (Justice of the Peace) ? Could "Barnabus Swenje" be Barnabus Swayze? There was indeed a Barnabus Swayze who was a Justice of the Peace in Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. I have: Isaac ROBINS (1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1836 Columbia Co, PA). Isaac married Bathsheba HUMMEL. They were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ in 1825. In 1833 they were living in Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. In 1836 they were living in Columbia Co, PA. Isaac son of Daniel ROBINS (1736 Amwell Twp - 1802 Knowlton Twp) and Ann. > I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of > Knowlton NJ > > From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. > > However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature > seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name > and the church denomination, > > There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. > > Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can > eliminate them? > > Barbara > California -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1418 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-21 07:57:36 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA Message: Marshall, Yes, I’d be willing to chip in. Good idea. Are you willing to take the lead with this project if we can find a Sincy Robbins male? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:26 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA Do we know of any living male descendants (with the ROBBINS surname) of Sincy ROBBINS ? Maybe if enough of us chipped in so that it didn't cost the tester anything then he would test? I'd be willing to chip in. > 1) There are a lot of Robbins supposedly descended from Sincy. It’s sad > that we can’t get 1 male to take the Y-DNA test. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1419 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-21 08:57:37 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: Garry, The Robins, Robbins of New Jersey book online at familysearch.org covers all the Robins/Robbins Quakers records pgs. 286-305. There is no record that Daniel & Hope Robins were Quakers. They were married in the Congregat ional Church at New Haven where Hope was baptized. After moving to Woodbridge it’s a good possibility they were Presbyterians. Religious Affiliation of the children of Daniel & Hope Robins. Mary Robins, unknown, probably 1st Presbyterian at Woodbridge, NJ Daniel Robins, Jr. Quaker, children were Quakers. Lydia Robins wife of William Thorpe. Church records show Lydia & William were associated with the 1st Presbyterian at Woodbridge, NJ. Joseph Robins, unknown, his descendants were Baptists & Methodists. Richard Robins became a Baptist after marrying the daughter of the Rev. Obadiah Holmes. His descendants were Baptist, Methodists, Presbyterians & Quakers. Hope Robins died as an infant. Nathaniel Robins unknown. Moses Robins, Quaker. He made an application to build a meeting house as recorded in the Chesterfield Monthly Meeting on 9-21- 1738 along with other Friends. This was called Robins Meeting House located in Monmouth Co., NJ. His children were Quakers. Hope Robins wife of Capt. John Moore associated with the 1st Presbyterian Church at Woodbridge, NJ. Aaron Robins, Quaker & children Quakers. Benjamin Robins, Quaker & children Quakers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 4:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Hi Sarah, Thanks for your comments. You’ve probably addressed this question, but I’d like to know if a Robins/Robbins researcher has looked at the Quaker/Friends Meeting House records for Kingwood and Hardwick concerning the families. My head has been in the clouds concerning the Quakers. In Columbia County, PA, where my Joshua lived there were Meeting Houses at Catawissa and Millville/Fishing Creek. Many Quakers moved to Canada around 1800. I tho ught the New Jersey Robbins that moved to Canada were all Loyalists, but possibly some were part of the Quaker movement. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:02 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Garry, It would be wonderful to have a Y-DNA test of the Sincy Robbins family. It would answer the basic question of the correct Robbins family for the Sincy Robbins descendants. You are the first researcher of this line that I know who has done a thorough investigation of the link from Sincy Robbins to Joshua Robbins. You have looked at what information is available, sorted through it with an o pen mind without accepting everything at face value. None of the Sincy Robbins descendants I have had contact with in the past would consider the possibility they could be Daniel Robins descendants. I was so pleased whe n you contacted me about your work & your theory. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:44 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Hi Sara, Your emails are good, as usual. 1) There are a lot of Robbins supposedly descended from Sincy. It’s sad that we can’t get 1 male to take the Y-DNA test. 2) Who’s the first person who said Sincy Robins is the ancestor of Joshua, possibly the father and what was the source. I think 2 of Joshua’s children were alive for the 1880 census. One indicated Joshua was born in New Jersey, the other Pennsylvania, not Ireland. Pennsylvania is a valid because Joshua was living in Pennsylvania prior to 1790 (He was young). Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Actually, we want to include you in the Daniel Robinson/Robins family. A few years ago I tried to encourage one of the Sincy Robbins males who was a perfect candidate to take a Y-DNA test. He was unwilling to do so beca use he told me he was totally convinced Sincy Robbins was from Ireland & not related to the Daniel Robins. I have no proof but my theory is the Sincy Robbins descendants are from Daniel Robins 1627-1714. Unless a reliab le record can be found & none has been discovered at this time, it appears Y-DNA is the only & most accurate way to establish a Sincy Robbins link to the Daniel Robins family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:54 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Shes, you want to eliminate us? haha. No, I know what you mean. At this point all I know is that my first Robbins I know for sure married Hannah J Phillips, daughter of Griffith Phillips, Sr. Got married in Davidson T wp., What is now part of Sullivan Cty., PA and circa 1858 left with a wagon train party and eventually landed in Monona, Cty., Iowa. He is John Dildaine or Dildine Robbins born in Feb.14, 1814, supposedly in Davidson Ct y. I can write more later, just home from a trip just now and must rest! My great grandfather was John Wesley Robbins, the youngest born in 1856, I believe without looking up. I am learning that in everyday conversation they might have just called him Wesley probably to distinguish him from his father. My grandmother, Anna Laura, called Becca, Robbins was born in Whiting Iowa, Monona county in 1890. It looks to me like the 2 oldest b oys farmed that land and the rest moved just across the Missouri River to A farm right next to the town of Lyons, NE. There are 5 boys in the family then comes the 2 girls. There are 2 other Robbins in Monona County I discovered from newspaper snippets just Thursday night. One of my great grandfathers brothers, Clark Robbins caught his wife Mary and a Sherwin W. Robbins in a compromising situation and filed for divorce, not the kind of information you learn from your family. In later information from the census Clark is married to a Vera Miles and living with Wesley and family in Lyons NE and Sherwin is living as a hired farmhand near Decatur Iow a. A quick lookup told me Sherwin is son of William S. Robbins and he is son of Cornelius Robbins from New Jersey. Not sure how I can possibly connect those two families but you never know. Only kind of documentation I have is Faus genealogy which hooks us up to Dildines and Sincy Robbins. I have tons of information on Phillips family which I firmly suspect is Quaker. They also are connected to John and Lloyd surname families who a re Quaker. I know JOHN WESLEYRobbins family is substantially Methodist. My grandparents were very active Methodists, both from Lyons Nebraska. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 19, 2017, 10:40 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The Robins family from Ireland is based on what was recorded in the Sincy Robbins Bible record. I’ve not seen any copies but I believe the was or is a Bible record. As I recall supposedly Sincy & four sons came to Ameri ca from Ireland. There are Robbins descendants who believe they are descendants of Sincy Robbins. Garry has been working on this line & has an alternative theory that I agree is quite possible. Also there are previous p osts here on the topic of Sincy Robbins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@...m] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:33 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ I'm not familiar with any ROBINS from Ireland. Could "JC" be "JP" (Justice of the Peace) ? Could "Barnabus Swenje" be Barnabus Swayze? There was indeed a Barnabus Swayze who was a Justice of the Peace in Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. I have: Isaac ROBINS (1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1836 Columbia Co, PA). Isaac married Bathsheba HUMMEL. They were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ in 1825. In 1833 they were living in Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. In 1836 they were living in Columbia Co, PA. Isaac son of Daniel ROBINS (1736 Amwell Twp - 1802 Knowlton Twp) and Ann. > I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of > Knowlton NJ > > From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. > > However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature > seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name > and the church denomination, > > There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. > > Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can > eliminate them? > > Barbara > California -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1420 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-21 11:30:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Message: Hi Sara, I read somewhere it was suggested Daniel became Quaker when he moved to an area populated by Quakers. Do you have a source for Quaker records at Kingwood and Hardwick meetings? Thanks, Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:57 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Garry, The Robins, Robbins of New Jersey book online at familysearch.org covers all the Robins/Robbins Quakers records pgs. 286-305. There is no record that Daniel & Hope Robins were Quakers. They were married in the Congregat ional Church at New Haven where Hope was baptized. After moving to Woodbridge it’s a good possibility they were Presbyterians. Religious Affiliation of the children of Daniel & Hope Robins. Mary Robins, unknown, probably 1st Presbyterian at Woodbridge, NJ Daniel Robins, Jr. Quaker, children were Quakers. Lydia Robins wife of William Thorpe. Church records show Lydia & William were associated with the 1st Presbyterian at Woodbridge, NJ. Joseph Robins, unknown, his descendants were Baptists & Methodists. Richard Robins became a Baptist after marrying the daughter of the Rev. Obadiah Holmes. His descendants were Baptist, Methodists, Presbyterians & Quakers. Hope Robins died as an infant. Nathaniel Robins unknown. Moses Robins, Quaker. He made an application to build a meeting house as recorded in the Chesterfield Monthly Meeting on 9-21- 1738 along with other Friends. This was called Robins Meeting House located in Monmouth Co., NJ. His children were Quakers. Hope Robins wife of Capt. John Moore associated with the 1st Presbyterian Church at Woodbridge, NJ. Aaron Robins, Quaker & children Quakers. Benjamin Robins, Quaker & children Quakers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 4:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Hi Sarah, Thanks for your comments. You’ve probably addressed this question, but I’d like to know if a Robins/Robbins researcher has looked at the Quaker/Friends Meeting House records for Kingwood and Hardwick concerning the families. My head has been in the clouds concerning the Quakers. In Columbia County, PA, where my Joshua lived there were Meeting Houses at Catawissa and Millville/Fishing Creek. Many Quakers moved to Canada around 1800. I tho ught the New Jersey Robbins that moved to Canada were all Loyalists, but possibly some were part of the Quaker movement. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:02 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Garry, It would be wonderful to have a Y-DNA test of the Sincy Robbins family. It would answer the basic question of the correct Robbins family for the Sincy Robbins descendants. You are the first researcher of this line that I know who has done a thorough investigation of the link from Sincy Robbins to Joshua Robbins. You have looked at what information is available, sorted through it with an o pen mind without accepting everything at face value. None of the Sincy Robbins descendants I have had contact with in the past would consider the possibility they could be Daniel Robins descendants. I was so pleased whe n you contacted me about your work & your theory. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:44 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Hi Sara, Your emails are good, as usual. 1) There are a lot of Robbins supposedly descended from Sincy. It’s sad that we can’t get 1 male to take the Y-DNA test. 2) Who’s the first person who said Sincy Robins is the ancestor of Joshua, possibly the father and what was the source. I think 2 of Joshua’s children were alive for the 1880 census. One indicated Joshua was born in New Jersey, the other Pennsylvania, not Ireland. Pennsylvania is a valid because Joshua was living in Pennsylvania prior to 1790 (He was young). Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Actually, we want to include you in the Daniel Robinson/Robins family. A few years ago I tried to encourage one of the Sincy Robbins males who was a perfect candidate to take a Y-DNA test. He was unwilling to do so beca use he told me he was totally convinced Sincy Robbins was from Ireland & not related to the Daniel Robins. I have no proof but my theory is the Sincy Robbins descendants are from Daniel Robins 1627-1714. Unless a reliab le record can be found & none has been discovered at this time, it appears Y-DNA is the only & most accurate way to establish a Sincy Robbins link to the Daniel Robins family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:54 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Shes, you want to eliminate us? haha. No, I know what you mean. At this point all I know is that my first Robbins I know for sure married Hannah J Phillips, daughter of Griffith Phillips, Sr. Got married in Davidson T wp., What is now part of Sullivan Cty., PA and circa 1858 left with a wagon train party and eventually landed in Monona, Cty., Iowa. He is John Dildaine or Dildine Robbins born in Feb.14, 1814, supposedly in Davidson Ct y. I can write more later, just home from a trip just now and must rest! My great grandfather was John Wesley Robbins, the youngest born in 1856, I believe without looking up. I am learning that in everyday conversation they might have just called him Wesley probably to distinguish him from his father. My grandmother, Anna Laura, called Becca, Robbins was born in Whiting Iowa, Monona county in 1890. It looks to me like the 2 oldest b oys farmed that land and the rest moved just across the Missouri River to A farm right next to the town of Lyons, NE. There are 5 boys in the family then comes the 2 girls. There are 2 other Robbins in Monona County I discovered from newspaper snippets just Thursday night. One of my great grandfathers brothers, Clark Robbins caught his wife Mary and a Sherwin W. Robbins in a compromising situation and filed for divorce, not the kind of information you learn from your family. In later information from the census Clark is married to a Vera Miles and living with Wesley and family in Lyons NE and Sherwin is living as a hired farmhand near Decatur Iow a. A quick lookup told me Sherwin is son of William S. Robbins and he is son of Cornelius Robbins from New Jersey. Not sure how I can possibly connect those two families but you never know. Only kind of documentation I have is Faus genealogy which hooks us up to Dildines and Sincy Robbins. I have tons of information on Phillips family which I firmly suspect is Quaker. They also are connected to John and Lloyd surname families who a re Quaker. I know JOHN WESLEYRobbins family is substantially Methodist. My grandparents were very active Methodists, both from Lyons Nebraska. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 19, 2017, 10:40 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The Robins family from Ireland is based on what was recorded in the Sincy Robbins Bible record. I’ve not seen any copies but I believe the was or is a Bible record. As I recall supposedly Sincy & four sons came to Ame rica from Ireland. There are Robbins descendants who believe they are descendants of Sincy Robbins. Garry has been working on this line & has an alternative theory that I agree is quite possible. Also there are previous posts here on the topic of Sincy Robbins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:33 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ I'm not familiar with any ROBINS from Ireland. Could "JC" be "JP" (Justice of the Peace) ? Could "Barnabus Swenje" be Barnabus Swayze? There was indeed a Barnabus Swayze who was a Justice of the Peace in Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. I have: Isaac ROBINS (1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1836 Columbia Co, PA). Isaac married Bathsheba HUMMEL. They were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ in 1825. In 1833 they were living in Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. In 1836 they were living in Columbia Co, PA. Isaac son of Daniel ROBINS (1736 Amwell Twp - 1802 Knowlton Twp) and Ann. > I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of > Knowlton NJ > > From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. > > However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature > seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name > and the church denomination, > > There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. > > Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can > eliminate them? > > Barbara > California -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1421 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-21 19:16:00 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ, Message: Garry, There is no Society of Friends record known to me that states Daniel Robins, Sr. became a Quaker when he moved from Woodbridge to Monmouth County. However, there are Society of Friends Monthly Meeting records for Danie l Jr. & wife Mary & others. Without searching in detail, for example one source for Daniel Jr. & Mary can be found on pgs. 288 & 293 of the Robins, Robbins book. I believe you are referring to the statement in The Exile of Daniel Robins to America in 1652, pg.12. where I say Daniel Robins, Sr. was associated with Quakers along with his sons Daniel, Jr. & Moses Robins after they moved to Monmouth County. Obviously it is reasonable to a ssume Daniel Robins, Sr. was associated with Quakers from his family ties although no record for it. The Chesterfield Monthly Meeting records do include the names of Daniel, Jr., Moses & other sons of Daniel, Sr. who we re Quakers. They are Aaron & Benjamin along with some of Daniel Robins, Sr.’s grandsons. The Robins, Robbins of New Jersey book names the sources for the Monthly Meeting records, Philadelphia Yearly Meeting, Chesterfield MM, NJ, Kingwood MM, NJ. etc., etc. The Robins/Robbins names are indexed with the film #. If you are interested in further research you could use the index as a guide, go to an LDS Family Library & request a film of any of the Monthly Meeting places that interest you. It’s also possible some of these rec ords named may be on ancestry.com now. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:31 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Hi Sara, I read somewhere it was suggested Daniel became Quaker when he moved to an area populated by Quakers. Do you have a source for Quaker records at Kingwood and Hardwick meetings? Thanks, Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:57 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Garry, The Robins, Robbins of New Jersey book online at familysearch.org covers all the Robins/Robbins Quakers records pgs. 286-305. There is no record that Daniel & Hope Robins were Quakers. They were married in the Congregat ional Church at New Haven where Hope was baptized. After moving to Woodbridge it’s a good possibility they were Presbyterians. Religious Affiliation of the children of Daniel & Hope Robins. Mary Robins, unknown, probably 1st Presbyterian at Woodbridge, NJ Daniel Robins, Jr. Quaker, children were Quakers. Lydia Robins wife of William Thorpe. Church records show Lydia & William were associated with the 1st Presbyterian at Woodbridge, NJ. Joseph Robins, unknown, his descendants were Baptists & Methodists. Richard Robins became a Baptist after marrying the daughter of the Rev. Obadiah Holmes. His descendants were Baptist, Methodists, Presbyterians & Quakers. Hope Robins died as an infant. Nathaniel Robins unknown. Moses Robins, Quaker. He made an application to build a meeting house as recorded in the Chesterfield Monthly Meeting on 9-21- 1738 along with other Friends. This was called Robins Meeting House located in Monmouth Co., NJ. His children were Quakers. Hope Robins wife of Capt. John Moore associated with the 1st Presbyterian Church at Woodbridge, NJ. Aaron Robins, Quaker & children Quakers. Benjamin Robins, Quaker & children Quakers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 4:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Hi Sarah, Thanks for your comments. You’ve probably addressed this question, but I’d like to know if a Robins/Robbins researcher has looked at the Quaker/Friends Meeting House records for Kingwood and Hardwick concerning the families. My head has been in the clouds concerning the Quakers. In Columbia County, PA, where my Joshua lived there were Meeting Houses at Catawissa and Millville/Fishing Creek. Many Quakers moved to Canada around 1800. I tho ught the New Jersey Robbins that moved to Canada were all Loyalists, but possibly some were part of the Quaker movement. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:02 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Garry, It would be wonderful to have a Y-DNA test of the Sincy Robbins family. It would answer the basic question of the correct Robbins family for the Sincy Robbins descendants. You are the first researcher of this line that I know who has done a thorough investigation of the link from Sincy Robbins to Joshua Robbins. You have looked at what information is available, sorted through it with an o pen mind without accepting everything at face value. None of the Sincy Robbins descendants I have had contact with in the past would consider the possibility they could be Daniel Robins descendants. I was so pleased whe n you contacted me about your work & your theory. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:44 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Hi Sara, Your emails are good, as usual. 1) There are a lot of Robbins supposedly descended from Sincy. It’s sad that we can’t get 1 male to take the Y-DNA test. 2) Who’s the first person who said Sincy Robins is the ancestor of Joshua, possibly the father and what was the source. I think 2 of Joshua’s children were alive for the 1880 census. One indicated Joshua was born in New Jersey, the other Pennsylvania, not Ireland. Pennsylvania is a valid because Joshua was living in Pennsylvania prior to 1790 (He was young). Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Actually, we want to include you in the Daniel Robinson/Robins family. A few years ago I tried to encourage one of the Sincy Robbins males who was a perfect candidate to take a Y-DNA test. He was unwilling to do so beca use he told me he was totally convinced Sincy Robbins was from Ireland & not related to the Daniel Robins. I have no proof but my theory is the Sincy Robbins descendants are from Daniel Robins 1627-1714. Unless a reliab le record can be found & none has been discovered at this time, it appears Y-DNA is the only & most accurate way to establish a Sincy Robbins link to the Daniel Robins family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:54 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ Shes, you want to eliminate us? haha. No, I know what you mean. At this point all I know is that my first Robbins I know for sure married Hannah J Phillips, daughter of Griffith Phillips, Sr. Got married in Davidson T wp., What is now part of Sullivan Cty., PA and circa 1858 left with a wagon train party and eventually landed in Monona, Cty., Iowa. He is John Dildaine or Dildine Robbins born in Feb.14, 1814, supposedly in Davidson Ct y. I can write more later, just home from a trip just now and must rest! My great grandfather was John Wesley Robbins, the youngest born in 1856, I believe without looking up. I am learning that in everyday conversation they might have just called him Wesley probably to distinguish him from his father. My grandmother, Anna Laura, called Becca, Robbins was born in Whiting Iowa, Monona county in 1890. It looks to me like the 2 oldest b oys farmed that land and the rest moved just across the Missouri River to A farm right next to the town of Lyons, NE. There are 5 boys in the family then comes the 2 girls. There are 2 other Robbins in Monona County I discovered from newspaper snippets just Thursday night. One of my great grandfathers brothers, Clark Robbins caught his wife Mary and a Sherwin W. Robbins in a compromising situation and filed for divorce, not the kind of information you learn from your family. In later information from the census Clark is married to a Vera Miles and living with Wesley and family in Lyons NE and Sherwin is living as a hired farmhand near Decatur Iow a. A quick lookup told me Sherwin is son of William S. Robbins and he is son of Cornelius Robbins from New Jersey. Not sure how I can possibly connect those two families but you never know. Only kind of documentation I have is Faus genealogy which hooks us up to Dildines and Sincy Robbins. I have tons of information on Phillips family which I firmly suspect is Quaker. They also are connected to John and Lloyd surname families who a re Quaker. I know JOHN WESLEYRobbins family is substantially Methodist. My grandparents were very active Methodists, both from Lyons Nebraska. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 19, 2017, 10:40 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The Robins family from Ireland is based on what was recorded in the Sincy Robbins Bible record. I’ve not seen any copies but I believe the was or is a Bible record. As I recall supposedly Sincy & four sons came to Ameri ca from Ireland. There are Robbins descendants who believe they are descendants of Sincy Robbins. Garry has been working on this line & has an alternative theory that I agree is quite possible. Also there are previous p osts here on the topic of Sincy Robbins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:33 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Sussex/Warren Co, NJ I'm not familiar with any ROBINS from Ireland. Could "JC" be "JP" (Justice of the Peace) ? Could "Barnabus Swenje" be Barnabus Swayze? There was indeed a Barnabus Swayze who was a Justice of the Peace in Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. I have: Isaac ROBINS (1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ - 1836 Columbia Co, PA). Isaac married Bathsheba HUMMEL. They were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren Co, NJ in 1825. In 1833 they were living in Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ. In 1836 they were living in Columbia Co, PA. Isaac son of Daniel ROBINS (1736 Amwell Twp - 1802 Knowlton Twp) and Ann. > I am searching for records of Isaac Robins and his wife Bathsheba of > Knowlton NJ > > From what I have read, many of the Robins seem to be Quakers. > > However, my Ann Robins was married I think in a church. The signature > seems to be ?Barnabus Swenje JC Perhaps someone will recognize the name > and the church denomination, > > There seem to be two clans of Robins and a third from Ireland. > > Does anyone know where the later clan from Ireland settled so that I can > eliminate them? > > Barbara > California -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1422 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-21 21:11:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA Message: I'd be willing to help in any way I can. I think the project administrator of the ROBINS DNA Project would have to make payment to ftdna after enough money was deposited into the project fund by individuals willing to help. I think we would need to get at least 37 markers tested for the results to be effective. (More markers is always better.) A 37-marker test costs $149 I believe (through the project). How do we go about finding a living male ROBBINS descendant of Sincy ROBBINS? I take it there are none on this list? > Yes, I’d be willing to chip in. Good idea. Are you willing to take the > lead with this project if we can find a Sincy Robbins male? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1423 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2017-06-21 21:16:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA Message: I'm a living male descendant of Aaron Robbins, but that's another topic. I'd be willing to chip in as well. –Tod On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > I'd be willing to help in any way I can. > > I think the project administrator of the ROBINS DNA Project would have to > make payment to ftdna after enough money was deposited into the project > fund by individuals willing to help. > > I think we would need to get at least 37 markers tested for the results to > be effective. (More markers is always better.) A 37-marker test costs > $149 I believe (through the project). > > How do we go about finding a living male ROBBINS descendant of Sincy > ROBBINS? I take it there are none on this list? > > > Yes, I’d be willing to chip in. Good idea. Are you willing to take the > > lead with this project if we can find a Sincy Robbins male? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1424 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-22 02:29:20 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA Message: Hi, I’ve emailed the 2 contacts I have that are descendants, they’re females but have close male Robbins relatives, I believe. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:11 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA I'd be willing to help in any way I can. I think the project administrator of the ROBINS DNA Project would have to make payment to ftdna after enough money was deposited into the project fund by individuals willing to help. I think we would need to get at least 37 markers tested for the results to be effective. (More markers is always better.) A 37-marker test costs $149 I believe (through the project). How do we go about finding a living male ROBBINS descendant of Sincy ROBBINS? I take it there are none on this list? > Yes, I’d be willing to chip in. Good idea. Are you willing to take the > lead with this project if we can find a Sincy Robbins male? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1425 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-22 04:17:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I am trying to identify people to ask Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, June 22, 2017, 4:43 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, I’ve emailed the 2 contacts I have that are descendants, they’re females but have close male Robbins relatives, I believe. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 1 2:11 AMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA I'd be willing to help in any way I can. I think the project administrator of the ROBINS DNA Project would have to make payment to ftdna after enough money was deposited into the project fund by individuals willing to help. I think we would need to get at least 37 markers tested for the results to be effective. (More markers is always better.) A 37-marker test costs $149 I believe (through the project). How do we go about finding a living male ROBBINS descendant of Sincy ROBBINS? I take it there are none on this list? > Yes, I’d be willing to chip in. Good idea. 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!important; } I found this at the genealogical society tonight. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, June 22, 2017, 4:43 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, I’ve emailed the 2 contacts I have that are descendants, they’re females but have close male Robbins relatives, I believe. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 1 2:11 AMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA I'd be willing to help in any way I can. I think the project administrator of the ROBINS DNA Project would have to make payment to ftdna after enough money was deposited into the project fund by individuals willing to help. I think we would need to get at least 37 markers tested for the results to be effective. (More markers is always better.) A 37-marker test costs $149 I believe (through the project). How do we go about finding a living male ROBBINS descendant of Sincy ROBBINS? I take it there are none on this list? > Yes, I’d be willing to chip in. Good idea. Are you willing to take the > lead with this project if we can find a Sincy Robbins male? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv2591061489 #yiv2591061489 -- #yiv2591061489ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv2591061489 #yiv2591061489ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv2591061489 #yiv 2591061489ygrp-mkp #yiv2591061489hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv2591061489 #yiv2591061489ygrp-mkp #yiv2591061489ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv2591061489 #yiv2591061489 ygrp-mkp .yiv2591061489ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv2591061489 #yiv2591061489ygrp-mkp .yiv2591061489ad p {margin:0;}#yiv2591061489 #yiv2591061489ygrp-mkp .yiv2591061489ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv2591061489 #y iv2591061489ygrp-sponsor #yiv2591061489ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv2591061489 #yiv2591061489ygrp-sponsor #yiv2591061489ygrp-lc #yiv2591061489hd {margin:10px 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Post Date/Time:2017-06-23 06:50:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy ROBBINS & Y-DNA Message: Oops, it didn't like my scan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1428 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-23 09:17:14 Subject:Information from Robbins Family Bible Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1429 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-23 09:33:58 Subject:Robbins Bible Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I know this is not a photo copy but it is something. I found it in Ancestry in the Fitzgerald/Robbins family tree in the gallery of Edwin Robbins, my great uncle who is son of John Wesley Robbins, son of John Dildaine Robbins, son of Joshua Robins. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1430 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-23 10:31:11 Subject:Joshua Robbins Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } This is from Ancestry, Edwin Robbins again. I was l ooking for living Robbins men. I feel pretty old Joshua Robbins (Robans) (Robins) Birth Oct. 16 1777 New Jersey Age 23 1800 Fishing Creek, Northumberland, PA Age 23 1800 Married Jane Dildine Age 33 1810 Greenwood Township, Northumberland, PA Age 35 1812Military 1812 Age 43 1820 Greenwood, Columbia, PA Age 53 1830 Franklin, Lycoming, PA Age 65 1842 Unityville, Lycoming, PA died. I haven't looked up documentation. I did find out that my John Dildaine Robbins birth has been reported as Columbia PA rather than Sullivan that I had previously which makes sense as I don't think Sullivan County was i n existence then. They did a lot of shifting around with creating new townships and countys in the 1800's. The young Joshua also has Columbia County as birthplace. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1431 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-23 10:40:09 Subject:Sincy Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Forgot to write that this story has Sincy born in 1740 and having 6 sons between 1760 and 1777. I notice the bible record says 7 and that they settled in Weathersfield CT. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1432 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-23 10:45:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Information from Robbins Family Bible [1 Attachment] Message: Hi, I believe all the information about “Literal copied” and the fact that it’s the “BIBLE RECORD”. “MORE ROBINS HISTORY” I question, I wish it was also “literal copied”. Jane Dildine’s father was John, but he is not the John Dildine that married Mary Rosecrants. The DAR has accepted a descendant of Jane Dildine to be the daughter of John Dildine who was a New Jersey Patriot during the Revolutionary War. Jane Dildine’s father, John Dildine, lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampto n County, PA, during the Revolutionary War, where he was also a Patriot. Garry Heagy From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:17 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Information from Robbins Family Bible [1 Attachment] Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1433 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-23 10:54:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: Hi, Joshua was not in Fishing Creek in 1800 unless he went for a visit. Possibly the confusion comes from the fact that Greenwood Township, where Joshua was living, was formed from Fishing Creek Township in 1799. I doubt Joshua and Jane were married in 1800, since their first child was born in 1806, but I do not know that to be a fact. The cemetery record I have says Joshua was aged 59 when he died. I often get frustrated with the entries on ancestry.com Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:31 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins This is from Ancestry, Edwin Robbins again. I was looking for living Robbins men. I feel pretty old Joshua Robbins (Robans) (Robins) Birth Oct. 16 1777 New Jersey Age 23 1800 Fishing Creek, Northumberland, PA Age 23 1800 Married Jane Dildine Age 33 1810 Greenwood Township, Northumberland, PA Age 35 1812Military 1812 Age 43 1820 Greenwood, Columbia, PA Age 53 1830 Franklin, Lycoming, PA Age 65 1842 Unityville, Lycoming, PA died. I haven't looked up documentation. I did find out that my John Dildaine Robbins birth has been reported as Columbia PA rather than Sullivan that I had previously which makes sense as I don't think Sullivan County was i n existence then. They did a lot of shifting around with creating new t ownships and countys in the 1800's. The young Joshua also has Columbia County as birthplace. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1434 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-23 12:47:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Be kind to the family of J.D. Robbins. He put our gr eat grandparents in a covered wagon and hawled us off to Iowa. Whatever information we have I can vouch for it as a sincere attempt. We are a very kind and gracious group of people. :) I just looked up the 1800 Census and it lists all the names of the supposed sons of Sincy Robbins together in Northumberland County, Pennsylvania. I am going to visit with the person who did the Edwin Robbins page and tell the person about the typo on The wedding date. 1805 not 1800. I am checking 1800 census to see what is down for Joshua. As far as Jane goes, you have to remember that most of us looked at the Faus geneology plus I have another one and it looked good to us. I wonder if Sister Eustasia hired that done by that Shook Genealogy. Her records were going to be kept at a college, I think, can't remember which it would be interesting. I f the record spoofed the DAR, we are in good company. It is good we have people like you, Gregg to keep us towing the line for the truth. It's fun but aggravating at times. I had my grandma right there for 17 years and never asked her a question. She was a good one for saying I am an American and not discussing family history. It is a good thing my great uncles, their wives came to Lakefield a lot. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, June 23, 2017, 12:54 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, Joshua was not in Fishing Creek in 1800 unless he went for a visit. Possibly the confusion comes from the fact that Greenwood Township, where Joshua was living, was formed from Fishing Creek Township in 1799. I dou bt Joshua and Jane were married in 1800, since their first child was born in 1806, but I do not know that to be a fact. The cemetery record I have says Joshua was aged 59 when he died. I often get frustrated with the en tries on ancestry.com Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:31 PMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins This is from Ancestry, Edwin Robbins again. I was looking for living Robbins men. I feel pretty old Joshua Robbins (Robans) (Robins) Birth Oct. 16 1777 New Jersey Age 23 1800 Fishing Creek, Northumberland, PA Age 23 1800 Married Jane Dildine Age 33 1810 Greenwood Township, Northumberland, PA Age 35 1812Military 1812 Age 43 1820 Greenwood, Columbia, PA Age 53 1830 Franklin, Lycoming, PA Age 65 1842 Unityville, Lycoming, PA died. I haven't looked up documentation. I did find out that my John Dildaine Robbins birth has been reporte d as Columbia PA rather than Sullivan that I had previously which makes sense as I don't think Sullivan County was in existence then. They did a lot of shifting around with creating new t ownships and countys in the 18 00's. The young Joshua also has Columbia County as birthplace. 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Group members, When I read the Bible record statement that Sincy Robbins settled in Wethersfield, Ct. it sent a red flag up for me. The Robbins family of Wethersfield, CT. are descendants from the line of the immigrant Gentleman John Robbins b. ? England, d. 1660 Wethersfield, buried at the Wethersfield Village Cemetery along with family members. Anything is possible, however, it is very unusual there are no records for Sincy Robbins & sons at Wethe rsfield. The records are good for all of CT. including Wethersfield, one is the Ct. Church Records 1630-1920. The descendants of John Robbins of Wethersfield have done Y-DNA tests so DNA appears to be the logical way to answer the question regarding the family Sincy Robbins. I hope this will be possible. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 10:45 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Information from Robbins Family Bible Hi, I believe all the information about “Literal copied” and the fact that it’s the “BIBLE RECORD”. “MORE ROBINS HISTORY” I question, I wish it was also “literal copied”. Jane Dildine’s father was John, but he is not the John Dildine that married Mary Rosecrants. The DAR has accepted a descendant of Jane Dildine to be the daughter of John Dildine who was a New Jersey Patriot during the Revolutionary War. Jane Dildine’s father, John Dildine, lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampto n County, PA, during the Revolutionary War, where he was also a Patriot. Garry Heagy From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:17 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Information from Robbins Family Bible [1 Attachment] Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1436 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-24 02:35:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: Hi Kathleen, I have no intention of being unkind, my intention is find the truth. Besides being a descendant of Joshua Robbins, I am also a Faus descendant. I’ve been looking at the Faus genealogy for decades. There are errors in it. I don’t think you’ll find Joshua Robbins in the 1800 census as I don’t think he was married yet. From the Pennsylvania Septennial Census: 1800 Derry, Northumberland #209 Robins, Joseph #210 Robins, Joshua Freeman #216 Robins, John Note: They may have lived in Madison Twp, Columbia County. Madison Twp. was formed in 1817 from Derry. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 3:47 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Be kind to the family of J.D. Robbins. He put our great grandparents in a covered wagon and hawled us off to Iowa. Whatever information we have I can vouch for it as a sincere attempt. We are a very kind and gracious g roup of people. :) I just looked up the 1800 Census and it lists all the names of the supposed sons of Sincy Robbins together in Northumberland County, Pennsylvania. I am going to visit with the person who did the Edwin Robbins page and tell the person about the typo on The wedding date. 1805 not 1800. I am checking 1800 census to see what is down for Joshua. As far as Jane goes, you have to remember that most of us looked at the Faus geneology plus I have another one and it looked good to us. I wonder if Sister Eustasia hired that done by that Shook Genealogy. Her records were going to be kept at a college, I think, can't remember which it would be interesting. I f the record spoofed the DAR, we are in good company. It is good we have people like you, Gregg to keep us towing the line for the truth. It's fun but aggravating at times. I had my grandma right there for 17 years and never asked her a question. She was a good one for saying I am an American and not discussing family history. It is a good thing my great uncles, their wives came to Lakefield a lot. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, June 23, 2017, 12:54 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, Joshua was not in Fishing Creek in 1800 unless he went for a visit. Possibly the confusion comes from the fact that Greenwood Township, where Joshua was living, was formed from Fishing Creek Township in 1799. I doubt Joshua and Jane were married in 1800, since their first child was born in 1806, but I do not know that to be a fact. The cemetery record I have says Joshua was aged 59 when he died. I often get frustrated with the entries on ancestry.com Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@...m [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:31 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins This is from Ancestry, Edwin Robbins again. I was looking for living Robbins men. I feel pretty old Joshua Robbins (Robans) (Robins) Birth Oct. 16 1777 New Jersey Age 23 1800 Fishing Creek, Northumberland, PA Age 23 1800 Married Jane Dildine Age 33 1810 Greenwood Township, Northumberland, PA Age 35 1812Military 1812 Age 43 1820 Greenwood, Columbia, PA Age 53 1830 Franklin, Lycoming, PA Age 65 1842 Unityville, Lycoming, PA died. I haven't looked up documentation. I did find out that my John Dildaine Robbins birth has been reported as Columbia PA rather than Sullivan that I had previously which makes sense as I don't think Sullivan County was in existence then. They did a lot of shifting around with creating new t ownships and countys in the 1800's. The young Joshua also has Columbia County as birthplace. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1437 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-24 07:19:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Actually, I was trying to be humorous. Reading it o ver again I understand why you interpreted it the way you did. I eyes are bleary from looking at gravestone markers around Wetherfield and coming up empty. Guess I will check out the ones I think are the brothers. Those cemeteries are full of people who died of Smallpox. You are not being one iota unkind, I like every post you write. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, June 24, 2017, 4:35 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Kathleen, I have no intention of being unkind, my intention is find the truth. Besides being a descendant of Joshua Robbins, I am also a Faus descendant. I’ve been looking at the Faus genealogy for decades. There are errors in it. I don’t think you’ll find Joshua Robbins in the 1800 census as I don’t think he was married yet. From the Pennsylvania Septennial Census: 1800 Derry, Northumberland#209 Robins, Joseph#210 Robins, Joshua Freeman#216 Robins, John Note: They may have lived in Madison Twp, Columbia County. Madison Twp. was formed in 1817 from Derry. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilyso ciety] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 3:47 PMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Be kind to the family of J.D. Robbins. He put our great grandparents in a covered wagon and hawled us off to Iowa. Whatever information we have I can vouch for it as a sincere attempt. We are a very kind and gracious g roup of people. :) I just looked up the 1800 Census and it lists all the names of the supposed sons of Sincy Robbins together in Northumberland County, Pennsylvania. I am going to visit with the person who did the Edwi n Robbins page and tell the person about the typo on The wedding date. 1805 not 1800. I am checking 1800 census to see what is down for Joshua. As far as Jane goes, you have to remember that most of us looked at the F aus geneology plus I have another one and it looked good to us. I wonder if Sister Eustasia hired that done by that Shook Genealogy. Her records were going to be kept at a college, I think, can't remember which it woul d be interesting. If the record spoofed the DAR, we are in good company. It is good we have people like you, Gregg to keep us towing the line for the truth. It's fun but aggravating at times. I had my grandma right ther e for 17 years and never asked her a question. She was a good one for saying I am an American and not discussing family history. It is a good thing my great uncles, their wives came to Lakefield a lot. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, June 23, 2017, 12:54 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, Joshua was not in Fishing Creek in 1800 unless he went for a visit. Possibly the confusion comes from the fact that Greenwood Township, where Joshua was living, was formed from Fishing Creek Township in 1799. I doubt Joshua and Jane were married in 1800, since their first child was born in 1806, but I do not know that to be a fact. The cemetery record I have says Joshua was aged 59 when he died. I often get frust rated with the entries on ancestry.com Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:31 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilyso ciety] Joshua Robbins This is from Ancestry, Edwin Robbins again. I was looking for living Robbins men. I feel pretty old Joshua Robbins (Robans) (Robins) Birth Oct. 16 1777 New Jersey Age 23 1800 Fishing Creek, Northumberland, PA Age 23 1800 Married Jane Dildine Age 33 1810 Greenwood Township, Northumberland, PA Age 35 1812Mili tary 1812 Age 43 1820 Greenwood, Columbia, PA Age 53 1830 Franklin, Lycoming, PA Age 65 1842 Unityville, Lycoming, PA died. I haven't looked up documentation. I did find out that my John Dildaine Robbins birth has been reported as Columbia PA rather than Sullivan that I had previously which makes sense as I don't think Sullivan County was in existence then. They did a lot of shifting around with creating new t ownships and countys in the 1800's. The young Joshua also has Columbia County as birthplace. 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Post Date/Time:2017-06-25 20:40:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these CT Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins . Will get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A Elizabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gi lbert lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry G ilbert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history just became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Belden Roots - The Canadian Family History" (2009) co-wri tten by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal side came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Martin's mother was Mary Belden. Martin and Lissie's union created the large blended family th at my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage of Mary Belden takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations w ith Martin and Lizzie's children. Now back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent posting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) and died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They both died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of the ir book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a famil y tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1440 Sender:Kathy Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-25 20:45:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: I remember all those names as I plowed through all these Wetherfield area cemetery records last night. There is supposed to be a big and expensive book on Wethersfield which is owned by Ancestry. I would like to acces s it but I get my Ancestry.com through the first genealogy library not open until Wednesday. Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1441 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 02:41:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these famil ies (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. W ill get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A El izabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gilbe rt lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gilb ert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal si de came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Marti n's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and L izzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) and died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They b oth died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of thei r book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a family tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1442 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 03:32:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and Lin coln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these famil ies (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. W ill get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A El izabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gilbe rt lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gilb ert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal si de came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Marti n's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and L izzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) and died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They b oth died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of thei r book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a family tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1443 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 05:09:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. From Heaslip Cemetery Lincoln County, Ontario Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [gloriapare@...]. Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins Would someone please verify the above information, especially: 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. 6) Adam: son of whom? Thanks From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and Lin coln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these famil ies (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. W ill get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A El izabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gilbe rt lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gilb ert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal si de came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Marti n's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and L izzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) and died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They b oth died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of thei r book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a family tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1444 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 05:58:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: Hi Garry, I can answer your questions. 1 and 2. "David" was incorrectly transcribed. It should be Daniel in all instances in the list made by Gloria Pare. The "David and Elizabeth" should be "Daniel and Elizabeth." The Daniel who had a wife Elizabeth is Daniel S Robbins b. 1802, died 25 Sep 1891 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. He was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. He was married to Elizabeth DeGroh (or DeGrow). She was born in 1804 in the U.S. and died 03 Aug 1894 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. Their daughter Martha was born in 1830 and died August 1 1847--not 1817. Again this appears to be a transcription error. William M. was also the son of this Daniel S. Robbins and Elizabeth DeGroh. (I've identified 6 of Daniel and Elizabeth's children. Let me know if you'd like those.) 3. I don't know Rachel's maiden name. But she was the wife of Daniel Robbins who was born 1765 and died 13 Jul 1844. Daniel and Stephen were brothers and were the children of Daniel Robbins b. about 1737 d. 1802 in Knowlton, Sussex Co. New Jersey and his wife Anne ?. Daniel and Stephen had a sister Abigail. She was born 27 Mar 1770 and died 17 Jun 1810. She was married to Jacob Vaughn (or Vaughan). She is also buried in Heaslip Cemetery. These siblings had at one other brother: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 probably in Columbia Co. Pennsylvania where he was living in 1845. Issac served in the Rev War and received a pension. 6 (?). Adam was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. Tracey On 6/26/2017 7:09 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. From Heaslip Cemetery Lincoln County, Ontario Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [gloriapare@...]. Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins Would someone please verify the above information, especially: 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. 6) Adam: son of whom? Thanks From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and Lincoln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these families (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. Will get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A Elizabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gilbert lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gilbert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal side came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Martin's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and Lizzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) and died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They both died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of their book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a family tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1445 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 06:36:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: It’s good getting your reply so quickly and with the answers. Who is Elizabeth R. Robbins? What record do you have for Isaac in Columbia County in 1845? Do you have more on his family, I have Richard, Stephen, and John Jersey, probably Basheba. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Hi Garry, I can answer your questions. 1 and 2. "David" was incorrectly transcribed. It should be Daniel in all instances in the list made by Gloria Pare. The "David and Elizabeth" should be "Daniel and Elizabeth." The Daniel who had a wife Elizabeth is Daniel S Robbins b. 1802, died 25 Sep 1891 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. He was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. He was married to Elizabeth DeGroh (or DeGrow). She was born in 1804 in the U.S. and died 03 Aug 1894 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. Their daughter Martha was born in 1830 and died August 1 1847--not 1817. Again this appears to be a transcription error. William M. was also the son of this Daniel S. Robbins and Elizabeth DeGroh. (I've identified 6 of Daniel and Elizabeth's children. Let me know if you'd like those.) 3. I don't know Rachel's maiden name. But she was the wife of Daniel Robbins who was born 1765 and died 13 Jul 1844. Daniel and Stephen were brothers and were the children of Daniel Robbins b. about 1737 d. 1802 in Knowlton, Sussex Co. New Jersey and his wife Anne ?. Daniel and Stephen had a sister Abigail. She was born 27 Mar 1770 and died 17 Jun 1810. She was married to Jacob Vaughn (or Vaughan). She is also buried in Heaslip Cemetery. These siblings had at one other brother: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 probably in Columbia Co. Pennsylvania where he was living in 1845. Issac served in the Rev War and received a pension. 6 (?). Adam was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. Tracey On 6/26/2017 7:09 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. From Heaslip Cemetery Lincoln County, Ontario Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [gloriapare@sympatico.ca]. Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins Would someone please verify the above information, especially: 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. 6) Adam: son of whom? Thanks From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and L incoln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these fam ilies (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. Will get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A Elizabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gil bert lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gi lbert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal side came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Mar tin's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and Lizzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) an d died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They both died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of th eir book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a fami ly tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1446 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 06:55:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: Hi, The Elizabeth R. Robbins I believe was the wife of William Robbins b. 1816 son of Daniel and Rachel. I don't know her maiden name and I didn't find a death record for her on Ancestry.com. The record I have for Isaac in Columbia Co. PA is: From: Selected Final Pension Payment Vouchers 1818-1864: Pennsylvania, VOLUME 1 ONLY page 476 Robins, Isaac Columbia Co. 22 Sept 1845 former private Isaac Robins, his X mark, of Greenwood township 10 years and previous thereto NJ Witness George Masters, JP Johnson, H. Ikeler Philadelphia, 8 October 1845, John B. Stevenson collected $36.43 I don't have anything else on his family. Tracey On 6/26/2017 8:36 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: It’s good getting your reply so quickly and with the answers. Who is Elizabeth R. Robbins? What record do you have for Isaac in Columbia County in 1845? Do you have more on his family, I have Richard, Stephen, and John Jersey, probably Basheba. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Hi Garry, I can answer your questions. 1 and 2. "David" was incorrectly transcribed. It should be Daniel in all instances in the list made by Gloria Pare. The "David and Elizabeth" should be "Daniel and Elizabeth." The Daniel who had a wife Elizabeth is Daniel S Robbins b. 1802, died 25 Sep 1891 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. He was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. He was married to Elizabeth DeGroh (or DeGrow). She was born in 1804 in the U.S. and died 03 Aug 1894 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. Their daughter Martha was born in 1830 and died August 1 1847--not 1817. Again this appears to be a transcription error. William M. was also the son of this Daniel S. Robbins and Elizabeth DeGroh. (I've identified 6 of Daniel and Elizabeth's children. Let me know if you'd like those.) 3. I don't know Rachel's maiden name. But she was the wife of Daniel Robbins who was born 1765 and died 13 Jul 1844. Daniel and Stephen were brothers and were the children of Daniel Robbins b. about 1737 d. 1802 in Knowlton, Sussex Co. New Jersey and his wife Anne ?. Daniel and Stephen had a sister Abigail. She was born 27 Mar 1770 and died 17 Jun 1810. She was married to Jacob Vaughn (or Vaughan). She is also buried in Heaslip Cemetery. These siblings had at one other brother: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 probably in Columbia Co. Pennsylvania where he was living in 1845. Issac served in the Rev War and received a pension. 6 (?). Adam was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. Tracey On 6/26/2017 7:09 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. From Heaslip Cemetery Lincoln County, Ontario Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [gloriapare@...]. Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins Would someone please verify the above information, especially: 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. 6) Adam: son of whom? Thanks From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and Lincoln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these families (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. Will get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A Elizabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gilbert lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gilbert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal side came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Martin's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and Lizzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) and died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They both died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of their book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a family tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1447 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 08:30:28 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: Tracey, I have the names you listed as the children of Daniel & Anne? Robins but not sources other than for Isaac Robins. Daniel Robins died intestate & his wife Ann was the executor along with Isaac Robins who we assume is the ir son & Isaac’s Rev War pension records state his father’s name was Daniel. Are there any records that link the other children to Daniel & Ann Robins? I believe this line that went to Canada is linked to Daniel & Hope through DNA so definitely part of the family. I’d appreciate any information you have on the children of Daniel & Ann Robins. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Hi Garry, I can answer your questions. 1 and 2. "David" was incorrectly transcribed. It should be Daniel in all instances in the list made by Gloria Pare. The "David and Elizabeth" should be "Daniel and Elizabeth." The Daniel who had a wife Elizabeth is Daniel S Robbins b. 1802, died 25 Sep 1891 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. He was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. He was married to Elizabeth DeGroh (or DeGrow). She was born in 1804 in the U.S. and died 03 Aug 1894 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. Their daughter Martha was born in 1830 and died August 1 1847--not 1817. Again this appears to be a transcription error. William M. was also the son of this Daniel S. Robbins and Elizabeth DeGroh. (I've identified 6 of Daniel and Elizabeth's children. Let me know if you'd like those.) 3. I don't know Rachel's maiden name. But she was the wife of Daniel Robbins who was born 1765 and died 13 Jul 1844. Daniel and Stephen were brothers and were the children of Daniel Robbins b. about 1737 d. 1802 in Knowlton, Sussex Co. New Jersey and his wife Anne ?. Daniel and Stephen had a sister Abigail. She was born 27 Mar 1770 and died 17 Jun 1810. She was married to Jacob Vaughn (or Vaughan). She is also buried in Heaslip Cemetery. These siblings had at one other brother: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 probably in Columbia Co. Pennsylvania where he was living in 1845. Issac served in the Rev War and received a pension. 6 (?). Adam was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. Tracey On 6/26/2017 7:09 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. From Heaslip Cemetery Lincoln County, Ontario Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [gloriapare@... ]. Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins Would someone please verify the above information, especially: 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. 6) Adam: son of whom? Thanks From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and Lin coln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these famil ies (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@telusplanet.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. W ill get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A El izabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gilbe rt lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gilb ert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal si de came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Marti n's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and L izzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) and died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They b oth died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of thei r book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a family tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1448 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 08:50:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: Sure! Marshall Lake found a couple of deeds that show the relationship among these siblings and the Daniel of Knowlton. He posted them in this forum several years ago. Here are copies I made of that information--but perhaps a search of the Yahoo group would yield the original post where these deeds were discussed: Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) dated - 19 Jun 1815 grantor - Jacob VAUGHAN of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnessed - 31 Jan 1816 witnesses - Ira SHERER Isaav READ judge - John ARMSTRONG notes - Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as the son-in-law of Daniel ROBINS, dec'd wife of Jacob VAUGHAN - Abigail recorded - 26 Jun 1824 Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) dated - 2 Feb 1804 grantor - Daniel ROBINS of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ amount - $100 lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnesses - John ARMSTRONG Jacob ARMSTRONG notes - Daniel ROBINS is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate On 6/26/2017 10:30 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, I have the names you listed as the children of Daniel & Anne? Robins but not sources other than for Isaac Robins. Daniel Robins died intestate & his wife Ann was the executor along with Isaac Robins who we assume is their son & Isaac’s Rev War pension records state his father’s name was Daniel. Are there any records that link the other children to Daniel & Ann Robins? I believe this line that went to Canada is linked to Daniel & Hope through DNA so definitely part of the family. I’d appreciate any information you have on the children of Daniel & Ann Robins. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Hi Garry, I can answer your questions. 1 and 2. "David" was incorrectly transcribed. It should be Daniel in all instances in the list made by Gloria Pare. The "David and Elizabeth" should be "Daniel and Elizabeth." The Daniel who had a wife Elizabeth is Daniel S Robbins b. 1802, died 25 Sep 1891 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. He was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. He was married to Elizabeth DeGroh (or DeGrow). She was born in 1804 in the U.S. and died 03 Aug 1894 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. Their daughter Martha was born in 1830 and died August 1 1847--not 1817. Again this appears to be a transcription error. William M. was also the son of this Daniel S. Robbins and Elizabeth DeGroh. (I've identified 6 of Daniel and Elizabeth's children. Let me know if you'd like those.) 3. I don't know Rachel's maiden name. But she was the wife of Daniel Robbins who was born 1765 and died 13 Jul 1844. Daniel and Stephen were brothers and were the children of Daniel Robbins b. about 1737 d. 1802 in Knowlton, Sussex Co. New Jersey and his wife Anne ?. Daniel and Stephen had a sister Abigail. She was born 27 Mar 1770 and died 17 Jun 1810. She was married to Jacob Vaughn (or Vaughan). She is also buried in Heaslip Cemetery. These siblings had at one other brother: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 probably in Columbia Co. Pennsylvania where he was living in 1845. Issac served in the Rev War and received a pension. 6 (?). Adam was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. Tracey On 6/26/2017 7:09 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. From Heaslip Cemetery Lincoln County, Ontario Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [gloriapare@...]. Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins Would someone please verify the above information, especially: 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. 6) Adam: son of whom? Thanks From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and Lincoln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these families (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. Will get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A Elizabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gilbert lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gilbert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal side came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Martin's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and Lizzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) and died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They both died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of their book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a family tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1449 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 08:54:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: Correction!! I was wrong about the Elizabeth who died in 1897! She is not the Elizabeth who was married to William Robbins. She is: Elizabeth Crow, b. 1813 d. 7 Nov 1897 She was married to Jacob Robbins Sr. b. 1799 d. 12 May 1873 Jacob is another son of Daniel Robbins and Rachel of Gainsborough. Sorry about that! Tracey On 6/26/2017 8:55 AM, Tracey Marcelo wrote: Hi, The Elizabeth R. Robbins I believe was the wife of William Robbins b. 1816 son of Daniel and Rachel. I don't know her maiden name and I didn't find a death record for her on Ancestry.com. The record I have for Isaac in Columbia Co. PA is: From: Selected Final Pension Payment Vouchers 1818-1864: Pennsylvania, VOLUME 1 ONLY page 476 Robins, Isaac Columbia Co. 22 Sept 1845 former private Isaac Robins, his X mark, of Greenwood township 10 years and previous thereto NJ Witness George Masters, JP Johnson, H. Ikeler Philadelphia, 8 October 1845, John B. Stevenson collected $36.43 I don't have anything else on his family. Tracey On 6/26/2017 8:36 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: It’s good getting your reply so quickly and with the answers. Who is Elizabeth R. Robbins? What record do you have for Isaac in Columbia County in 1845? Do you have more on his family, I have Richard, Stephen, and John Jersey, probably Basheba. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Hi Garry, I can answer your questions. 1 and 2. "David" was incorrectly transcribed. It should be Daniel in all instances in the list made by Gloria Pare. The "David and Elizabeth" should be "Daniel and Elizabeth." The Daniel who had a wife Elizabeth is Daniel S Robbins b. 1802, died 25 Sep 1891 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. He was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. He was married to Elizabeth DeGroh (or DeGrow). She was born in 1804 in the U.S. and died 03 Aug 1894 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. Their daughter Martha was born in 1830 and died August 1 1847--not 1817. Again this appears to be a transcription error. William M. was also the son of this Daniel S. Robbins and Elizabeth DeGroh. (I've identified 6 of Daniel and Elizabeth's children. Let me know if you'd like those.) 3. I don't know Rachel's maiden name. But she was the wife of Daniel Robbins who was born 1765 and died 13 Jul 1844. Daniel and Stephen were brothers and were the children of Daniel Robbins b. about 1737 d. 1802 in Knowlton, Sussex Co. New Jersey and his wife Anne ?. Daniel and Stephen had a sister Abigail. She was born 27 Mar 1770 and died 17 Jun 1810. She was married to Jacob Vaughn (or Vaughan). She is also buried in Heaslip Cemetery. These siblings had at one other brother: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 probably in Columbia Co. Pennsylvania where he was living in 1845. Issac served in the Rev War and received a pension. 6 (?). Adam was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. Tracey On 6/26/2017 7:09 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. From Heaslip Cemetery Lincoln County, Ontario Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [gloriapare@...]. Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins Would someone please verify the above information, especially: 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. 6) Adam: son of whom? Thanks From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and Lincoln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these families (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. Will get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A Elizabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gilbert lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gilbert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal side came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Martin's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and Lizzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) and died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They both died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of their book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a family tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1450 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 09:31:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: I feel fairly confident that John Jersey Robbins born 1799 in Knowlton Twp, Warren/Sussex County, NJ, is a son of Isaac. John Jersey came to Pennsylvania about 1833. He may have gone to Columbia County first but by 18 40 was living in Jordan Twp, Lycoming County, PA. I’ve checked the Robbins living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, in 1840. Non have a male living with them who matches Isaac’s age. John Jersey does not have an older male living with him either. Possibly, Isaac wa s living with a daughter during the 1840 census and in 1845. I’m working on a theory about Daniel and Ann Robbins, but it’s a little early for me to present it, I’m easily distracted. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:30 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Tracey, I have the names you listed as the children of Daniel & Anne? Robins but not sources other than for Isaac Robins. Daniel Robins died intestate & his wife Ann was the executor along with Isaac Robins who we assume is the ir son & Isaac’s Rev War pension records state his father’s name was Daniel. Are there any records that link the other children to Daniel & Ann Robins? I believe this line that went to Canada is linked to Daniel & Hope through DNA so definitely part of the family. I’d appreciate any information you have on the children of Daniel & Ann Robins. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Hi Garry, I can answer your questions. 1 and 2. "David" was incorrectly transcribed. It should be Daniel in all instances in the list made by Gloria Pare. The "David and Elizabeth" should be "Daniel and Elizabeth." The Daniel who had a wife Elizabeth is Daniel S Robbins b. 1802, died 25 Sep 1891 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. He was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. He was married to Elizabeth DeGroh (or DeGrow). She was born in 1804 in the U.S. and died 03 Aug 1894 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. Their daughter Martha was born in 1830 and died August 1 1847--not 1817. Again this appears to be a transcription error. William M. was also the son of this Daniel S. Robbins and Elizabeth DeGroh. (I've identified 6 of Daniel and Elizabeth's children. Let me know if you'd like those.) 3. I don't know Rachel's maiden name. But she was the wife of Daniel Robbins who was born 1765 and died 13 Jul 1844. Daniel and Stephen were brothers and were the children of Daniel Robbins b. about 1737 d. 1802 in Knowlton, Sussex Co. New Jersey and his wife Anne ?. Daniel and Stephen had a sister Abigail. She was born 27 Mar 1770 and died 17 Jun 1810. She was married to Jacob Vaughn (or Vaughan). She is also buried in Heaslip Cemetery. These siblings had at one other brother: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 probably in Columbia Co. Pennsylvania where he was living in 1845. Issac served in the Rev War and received a pension. 6 (?). Adam was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. Tracey On 6/26/2017 7:09 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. From Heaslip Cemetery Lincoln County, Ontario Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [gloriapare@...]. Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins Would someone please verify the above information, especially: 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. 6) Adam: son of whom? Thanks From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and L incoln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these fam ilies (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@telusplanet.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. Will get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A Elizabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gil bert lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gi lbert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal side came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Mar tin's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and Lizzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) an d died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They both died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of th eir book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a fami ly tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1451 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 11:22:16 Subject:Robbins Message: Hi, does anyone have any Whiting's or Gee's in their family line. John Gee born 12/17/1816 Virgil, Cortland Co NY, married Lucy Whiting 12/21/1835. Their daughter Vestalina born 1840 Troy, Bradford Co Pa. Married Edward Robbins, born 1836 , NY. I'am trying to trace Edward back to find his birth. I wonder if these families knew each other before they came to Wi. I have a problem as county records burned in Wi. Thank you, Shirley Sent from my iPad > On Jun 26, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > I feel fairly confident that John Jersey Robbins born 1799 in Knowlton Twp, Warren/Sussex County, NJ, is a son of Isaac. John Jersey came to Pennsylvania about 1833. He may have gone to Columbia County first but by 1840 was living in Jordan Twp, Lycoming County, PA. > > I’ve checked the Robbins living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, in 1840. Non have a male living with them who matches Isaac’s age. John Jersey does not have an older male living with him either. Possibly, Isaac was living with a daughter during the 1840 census and in 1845. > > I’m working on a theory about Daniel and Ann Robbins, but it’s a little early for me to present it, I’m easily distracted. > > Garry > > From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:30 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins > > > Tracey, > > I have the names you listed as the children of Daniel & Anne? Robins but not sources other than for Isaac Robins. Daniel Robins died intestate & his wife Ann was the executor along with Isaac Robins who we assume is t heir son & Isaac’s Rev War pension records state his father’s name was Daniel. Are there any records that link the other children to Daniel & Ann Robins? I believe this line that went to Canada is linked to Daniel & Hop e through DNA so definitely part of the family. I’d appreciate any information you have on the children of Daniel & Ann Robins. > > Thanks, > > Sara > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:59 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins > > > > > Hi Garry, > > I can answer your questions. > > 1 and 2. "David" was incorrectly transcribed. It should be Daniel in all instances in the list made by Gloria Pare. The "David and Elizabeth" should be "Daniel and Elizabeth." > > The Daniel who had a wife Elizabeth is Daniel S Robbins b. 1802, died 25 Sep 1891 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. He was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. He was married to Elizabeth DeGroh (or DeGrow). She wa s born in 1804 in the U.S. and died 03 Aug 1894 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. > > Their daughter Martha was born in 1830 and died August 1 1847--not 1817. Again this appears to be a transcription error. > William M. was also the son of this Daniel S. Robbins and Elizabeth DeGroh. > (I've identified 6 of Daniel and Elizabeth's children. Let me know if you'd like those.) > > 3. I don't know Rachel's maiden name. But she was the wife of Daniel Robbins who was born 1765 and died 13 Jul 1844. > Daniel and Stephen were brothers and were the children of Daniel Robbins b. about 1737 d. 1802 in Knowlton, Sussex Co. New Jersey and his wife Anne ?. > Daniel and Stephen had a sister Abigail. She was born 27 Mar 1770 and died 17 Jun 1810. She was married to Jacob Vaughn (or Vaughan). She is also buried in Heaslip Cemetery. > These siblings had at one other brother: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 probably in Columbia Co. Pennsylvania where he was living in 1845. Issac served in the Rev War and received a pension. > > 6 (?). Adam was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. > > Tracey > > > On 6/26/2017 7:09 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. > > > From Heaslip Cemetery > > Lincoln County, Ontario > > Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada > > Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [gloriapare@...]. > > Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds > > Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds > > Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds > > Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) > > Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds > > Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret > > Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins > > Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins > > Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins > > Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins > > Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins > > Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins > > > Would someone please verify the above information, especially: > > 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? > > wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 > > 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. > > 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. > > 6) Adam: son of whom? > > > Thanks > > > From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins > > > > > A correction: > > > Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and L incoln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. > > > Garry > > > From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins > > > > > You’ve done well with you collection of information. > > > I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these fam ilies (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. > > > Sara and others know more about this than I do. > > > Garry > > > From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins > > > > > How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. Will get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A Elizabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gil bert lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gi lbert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. > > Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal side came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Mar tin's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. > > Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and Lizzie's children. > > Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) an d died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. > > One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They both died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. > > And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of th eir book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a fami ly tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. > > That's all for now. Murr > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1452 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 12:49:01 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: Tracey, Thank you so much for reminding me of the deeds Marshall located for Daniel & Ann’s children. Thought you may know. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:50 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Sure! Marshall Lake found a couple of deeds that show the relationship among these siblings and the Daniel of Knowlton. He posted them in this forum several years ago. Here are copies I made of that information--but perhaps a search of the Yahoo group would yield the original post where these deeds were discussed: Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) dated - 19 Jun 1815 grantor - Jacob VAUGHAN of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnessed - 31 Jan 1816 witnesses - Ira SHERER Isaav READ judge - John ARMSTRONG notes - Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as the son-in-law of Daniel ROBINS, dec'd wife of Jacob VAUGHAN - Abigail recorded - 26 Jun 1824 Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) dated - 2 Feb 1804 grantor - Daniel ROBINS of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ amount - $100 lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnesses - John ARMSTRONG Jacob ARMSTRONG notes - Daniel ROBINS is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate On 6/26/2017 10:30 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, I have the names you listed as the children of Daniel & Anne? Robins but not sources other than for Isaac Robins. Daniel Robins died intestate & his wife Ann was the executor along with Isaac Robins who we assume is the ir son & Isaac’s Rev War pension records state his father’s name was Daniel. Are there any records that link the other children to Daniel & Ann Robins? I believe this line that went to Canada is linked to Daniel & Hope through DNA so definitely part of the family. I’d appreciate any information you have on the children of Daniel & Ann Robins. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Hi Garry, I can answer your questions. 1 and 2. "David" was incorrectly transcribed. It should be Daniel in all instances in the list made by Gloria Pare. The "David and Elizabeth" should be "Daniel and Elizabeth." The Daniel who had a wife Elizabeth is Daniel S Robbins b. 1802, died 25 Sep 1891 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. He was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. He was married to Elizabeth DeGroh (or DeGrow). She was born in 1804 in the U.S. and died 03 Aug 1894 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. Their daughter Martha was born in 1830 and died August 1 1847--not 1817. Again this appears to be a transcription error. William M. was also the son of this Daniel S. Robbins and Elizabeth DeGroh. (I've identified 6 of Daniel and Elizabeth's children. Let me know if you'd like those.) 3. I don't know Rachel's maiden name. But she was the wife of Daniel Robbins who was born 1765 and died 13 Jul 1844. Daniel and Stephen were brothers and were the children of Daniel Robbins b. about 1737 d. 1802 in Knowlton, Sussex Co. New Jersey and his wife Anne ?. Daniel and Stephen had a sister Abigail. She was born 27 Mar 1770 and died 17 Jun 1810. She was married to Jacob Vaughn (or Vaughan). She is also buried in Heaslip Cemetery. These siblings had at one other brother: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 probably in Columbia Co. Pennsylvania where he was living in 1845. Issac served in the Rev War and received a pension. 6 (?). Adam was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. Tracey On 6/26/2017 7:09 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. From Heaslip Cemetery Lincoln County, Ontario Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [gloriapare@... ]. Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins Would someone please verify the above information, especially: 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. 6) Adam: son of whom? Thanks From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and Lin coln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these famil ies (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. W ill get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A El izabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gilbe rt lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gilb ert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal si de came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Marti n's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and L izzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) and died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They b oth died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of thei r book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a family tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1453 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 12:55:23 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: Kathy, There is a book Ancient Families of Wethersfield CT. The Robbins Family Vol II pgs. 549-584 by Henry R. Stiles A.M. M.D. New York 1904. It is on ancestry.com. Hope this will be helpful to your search. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:46 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins I remember all those names as I plowed through all these Wetherfield area cemetery records last night. There is supposed to be a big and expensive book on Wethersfield which is owned by Ancestry. I would like to access it but I get my Ancestry.com through the first genealogy library not open until Wednesday. Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1454 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 15:29:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: I hope that was enough information! I wrote my response somewhat hastily! I also found in our group here a post from 2015 by a Richard Robbins who said: "Thanks to the researcher that had posted the original Sussex county deed lists, (sorry, forget the name), I was led to know the speculated sister and brother of my 4th Great Grandfather Stephen. Now, I have further proof of the relationship. Handwritten in a grant document from 1800, was a sidescript from the original document. My 4th Great Grand Aunt, who probably was quite a handful, insisted on inserting this in the document normally reserved for all male mentions in conveyance of lands at that time, (in parentheses is my commentary) The claimant's wife (Abigail Robins Vaughan) has two brothers (Stephen and Daniel) and a sister (Unknown) in Gainsborough and who have been settled there for 5 years past." 1795 was the arrival date of Daniel and Stephen to Gainsborough, 5 years from the date. So, looking for a sister, still out there... Will post document clip later in photos." So to recap, the children I've identified as being those of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton who died intestate in 1802 were: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 in Amwell, Hunterdon, New Jersey. d. between 1845 and 1850 likely in Columbia Co. PA Daniel Robbins b. 30 May 1765 New Jersey. d. 13 Jul 1844 Gainsborough, Lincoln Co. Ontario, Canada. Buried in Heaslip Cemetery. Married Rachel ? Stephen Robbins b. 1768 in New Jersey d. before 1861; lived in Gainsborough, Ontario and later Wainfleet, Welland Co. Ontario 1st marriage was to Susan Dils, who died in 1804; 2nd marriage before 1807 to Christine ? Abigail Robbins b. 27 Mar 1770 in New Jersey d. 17 Jun 1810 m. Jacob Vaughan. Buried in Heaslip Cemetery. ? Robbins, who according to Richard Robbins in 2015, also lived in Gainsborough Ontario. Tracey On 6/26/2017 2:49 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Thank you so much for reminding me of the deeds Marshall located for Daniel & Ann’s children. Thought you may know. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:50 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Sure! Marshall Lake found a couple of deeds that show the relationship among these siblings and the Daniel of Knowlton. He posted them in this forum several years ago. Here are copies I made of that information--but perhaps a search of the Yahoo group would yield the original post where these deeds were discussed: Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) dated - 19 Jun 1815 grantor - Jacob VAUGHAN of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnessed - 31 Jan 1816 witnesses - Ira SHERER Isaav READ judge - John ARMSTRONG notes - Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as the son-in-law of Daniel ROBINS, dec'd wife of Jacob VAUGHAN - Abigail recorded - 26 Jun 1824 Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) dated - 2 Feb 1804 grantor - Daniel ROBINS of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ amount - $100 lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnesses - John ARMSTRONG Jacob ARMSTRONG notes - Daniel ROBINS is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate On 6/26/2017 10:30 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, I have the names you listed as the children of Daniel & Anne? Robins but not sources other than for Isaac Robins. Daniel Robins died intestate & his wife Ann was the executor along with Isaac Robins who we assume is their son & Isaac’s Rev War pension records state his father’s name was Daniel. Are there any records that link the other children to Daniel & Ann Robins? I believe this line that went to Canada is linked to Daniel & Hope through DNA so definitely part of the family. I’d appreciate any information you have on the children of Daniel & Ann Robins. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Hi Garry, I can answer your questions. 1 and 2. "David" was incorrectly transcribed. It should be Daniel in all instances in the list made by Gloria Pare. The "David and Elizabeth" should be "Daniel and Elizabeth." The Daniel who had a wife Elizabeth is Daniel S Robbins b. 1802, died 25 Sep 1891 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. He was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. He was married to Elizabeth DeGroh (or DeGrow). She was born in 1804 in the U.S. and died 03 Aug 1894 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. Their daughter Martha was born in 1830 and died August 1 1847--not 1817. Again this appears to be a transcription error. William M. was also the son of this Daniel S. Robbins and Elizabeth DeGroh. (I've identified 6 of Daniel and Elizabeth's children. Let me know if you'd like those.) 3. I don't know Rachel's maiden name. But she was the wife of Daniel Robbins who was born 1765 and died 13 Jul 1844. Daniel and Stephen were brothers and were the children of Daniel Robbins b. about 1737 d. 1802 in Knowlton, Sussex Co. New Jersey and his wife Anne ?. Daniel and Stephen had a sister Abigail. She was born 27 Mar 1770 and died 17 Jun 1810. She was married to Jacob Vaughn (or Vaughan). She is also buried in Heaslip Cemetery. These siblings had at one other brother: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 probably in Columbia Co. Pennsylvania where he was living in 1845. Issac served in the Rev War and received a pension. 6 (?). Adam was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. Tracey On 6/26/2017 7:09 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. From Heaslip Cemetery Lincoln County, Ontario Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [gloriapare@...]. Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins Would someone please verify the above information, especially: 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. 6) Adam: son of whom? Thanks From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and Lincoln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these families (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. Will get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A Elizabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gilbert lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gilbert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal side came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Martin's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. (Message over 64 KB, truncated) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1455 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 16:48:04 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: Tracey, Excellent response, you answered my question. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@...m] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 3:29 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins I hope that was enough information! I wrote my response somewhat hastily! I also found in our group here a post from 2015 by a Richard Robbins who said: "Thanks to the researcher that had posted the original Sussex county deed lists, (sorry, forget the name), I was led to know the speculated sister and brother of my 4th Great Grandfather Stephen. Now, I have further proof of the relationship. Handwritten in a grant document from 1800, was a sidescript from the original document. My 4th Great Grand Aunt, who probably was quite a handful, insisted on inserting this in the document normally reserved for all male mentions in conveyance of lands at that time, (in parentheses is my commentary) The claimant's wife (Abigail Robins Vaughan) has two brothers (Stephen and Daniel) and a sister (Unknown) in Gainsborough and who have been settled there for 5 years past." 1795 was the arrival date of Daniel and Stephe n to Gainsborough, 5 years from the date. So, looking for a sister, still out there... Will post document clip later in photos." So to recap, the children I've identified as being those of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton who died intestate in 1802 were: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 in Amwell, Hunterdon, New Jersey. d. between 1845 and 1850 likely in Columbia Co. PA Daniel Robbins b. 30 May 1765 New Jersey. d. 13 Jul 1844 Gainsborough, Lincoln Co. Ontario, Canada. Buried in Heaslip Cemetery. Married Rachel ? Stephen Robbins b. 1768 in New Jersey d. before 1861; lived in Gainsborough, Ontario and later Wainfleet, Welland Co. Ontario 1st marriage was to Susan Dils, who died in 1804; 2nd marriage before 1807 to Christine ? Abigail Robbins b. 27 Mar 1770 in New Jersey d. 17 Jun 1810 m. Jacob Vaughan. Buried in Heaslip Cemetery. ? Robbins, who according to Richard Robbins in 2015, also lived in Gainsborough Ontario. Tracey On 6/26/2017 2:49 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Thank you so much for reminding me of the deeds Marshall located for Daniel & Ann’s children. Thought you may know. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:50 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Sure! Marshall Lake found a couple of deeds that show the relationship among these siblings and the Daniel of Knowlton. He posted them in this forum several years ago. Here are copies I made of that information--but perhaps a search of the Yahoo group would yield the original post where these deeds were discussed: Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) dated - 19 Jun 1815 grantor - Jacob VAUGHAN of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnessed - 31 Jan 1816 witnesses - Ira SHERER Isaav READ judge - John ARMSTRONG notes - Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as the son-in-law of Daniel ROBINS, dec'd wife of Jacob VAUGHAN - Abigail recorded - 26 Jun 1824 Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) dated - 2 Feb 1804 grantor - Daniel ROBINS of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ amount - $100 lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnesses - John ARMSTRONG Jacob ARMSTRONG notes - Daniel ROBINS is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate On 6/26/2017 10:30 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, I have the names you listed as the children of Daniel & Anne? Robins but not sources other than for Isaac Robins. Daniel Robins died intestate & his wife Ann was the executor along with Isaac Robins who we assume is the ir son & Isaac’s Rev War pension records state his father’s name was Daniel. Are there any records that link the other children to Daniel & Ann Robins? I believe this line that went to Canada is linked to Daniel & Hope through DNA so definitely part of the family. I’d appreciate any information you have on the children of Daniel & Ann Robins. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Hi Garry, I can answer your questions. 1 and 2. "David" was incorrectly transcribed. It should be Daniel in all instances in the list made by Gloria Pare. The "David and Elizabeth" should be "Daniel and Elizabeth." The Daniel who had a wife Elizabeth is Daniel S Robbins b. 1802, died 25 Sep 1891 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. He was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. He was married to Elizabeth DeGroh (or DeGrow). She was born in 1804 in the U.S. and died 03 Aug 1894 in Houghton, Norfolk, Ontario. Their daughter Martha was born in 1830 and died August 1 1847--not 1817. Again this appears to be a transcription error. William M. was also the son of this Daniel S. Robbins and Elizabeth DeGroh. (I've identified 6 of Daniel and Elizabeth's children. Let me know if you'd like those.) 3. I don't know Rachel's maiden name. But she was the wife of Daniel Robbins who was born 1765 and died 13 Jul 1844. Daniel and Stephen were brothers and were the children of Daniel Robbins b. about 1737 d. 1802 in Knowlton, Sussex Co. New Jersey and his wife Anne ?. Daniel and Stephen had a sister Abigail. She was born 27 Mar 1770 and died 17 Jun 1810. She was married to Jacob Vaughn (or Vaughan). She is also buried in Heaslip Cemetery. These siblings had at one other brother: Isaac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 probably in Columbia Co. Pennsylvania where he was living in 1845. Issac served in the Rev War and received a pension. 6 (?). Adam was the son of Stephen Robbins and Susan Dils. Tracey On 6/26/2017 7:09 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Welland County, Ontario, Robbins. From Heaslip Cemetery Lincoln County, Ontario Lot 10, Con 1, Gainsborough Township, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada Contributed by Gloria Pare, May 2001 [ gloriapare@...]. Robbins, David, d. Jul 13, 1844, aged 79y 1m 13ds Robbins, Elizabeth R., d. Nov. 7, 1897, aged 83y 4m 5ds Robbins, Rachel, d. Nov. 13, 1829, aged 57y 1m 19ds Robbins, Sarah, w/o Thomas Robbins, (broken stone) Robbins, Thomas, d. May 16, 1865, aged 71y 11m 2ds Robins, Adam, d. Nov. 3, 1858, aged 58y 10m 15ds, h/o Margaret Robins, Infant, d. Apr 1843, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Margaret, d. Feb. 22, 1852, in her 48th yr, w/o Adam Robins Robins, Martha J., d. Aug. 1, 1817, aged 17yr, d/o David & Elizabeth Robins Robins, Stephen, d. Sep 1833, aged 5yrs, d/o Adam & Margaret Robins Robins, Susan (Dils), b. Feb. 6, 1776, d. Jan. 29, 1804, aged 27yrs, d/o Adam Dils, w/o Stephen Robins Robins, Wm. M., d. May 16, 1829, aged 1m 7ds, s/o David & Elizabeth Robins Would someone please verify the above information, especially: 1) David: is the name correct, who is he a brother of? wife Elizabeth, they had a daughter Martha born 1800 2) Elizabeth: matches the mother of Wm. M, buth not of Martha. 3) Rachel: is this the wife of Daniel born about 1765. 6) Adam: son of whom? Thanks From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins A correction: Pelham and Thorold Townships were part of Lincoln County, which was formed from Niagara Region in 1792. Both Townships became part of Welland County when it was formed in 1851. In 1971, the Counties of Welland and Lin coln were combined to form the Municipality of Niagara. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins You’ve done well with you collection of information. I have James Kirkland Robbins, son of Daniel. Numerous families, including that of Daniel Robbins, moved from Sussex County, New Jersey, to Niagara and Pelham Counties (maybe others) in the 1790’s. Many of these famil ies (maybe all?) were Loyalists. Some were Quakers, a Meeting House was started in Pelham. Sara and others know more about this than I do. Garry From: maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins How ironic! And thanks for the postings on the Wethersfield, CT Robbins. In December 2015 these Robbins showed up in my research of the Gilbert and Belden family histories. Never did further research on these Robbins. W ill get to these Robbins in a few minutes but let us go back to Christmas 2015. In the week before the holiday, I revisited the Gilbert Family History hoping that new information was online. They were from Vermont. A El izabeth "Bessie" Gilbert (GGG Grandmother) had married James Kirk Robins. James born in 1787 in Greenwich Tp., Sussex Co., New Jersey and married Bessie Gilbert around 1818 in Upper Canada. Much to my delight the Gilbe rt lineage traces back to Wethersfield CT and the Puritans who settled there in 1635. These Robins and Gilbert lines concern my paternal lineages....until Elizabeth Belding showed up married to Captain/Deacon Henry Gilb ert. OK! Does this Elizabeth Belding have Wethersfield roots. Yes. And my family history j ust became extremely complex. Having co-operated in the research of "Beldon Roots - The Canadian Family History" co-written by Marlene Strudwick and the late Ellen Tarves, their book also takes us back to Wethersfield. And immediately my maternal si de came into play. My Great Grandmother, Elizabeth "Lissie" Quickfall Storey nee Williams lost her husband and remarried Martin Quickfall - a neighbour who also lost his young wife leaving him with three children. Marti n's mother was Mary Belden. This union created the large blended family that my Nana Heale nee Storey grew up in as pioneers around Teulon, Manitoba. Realizing that the Belden lineage takes us back to the above Gilbert/Belding family of the Connecticut Valley, this makes Martin and his three children distant relations. It also makes double relations with Martin and L izzie's children. Back to the Wethersfield Robbins. Sara mentioned John Robbins in her recent p osting. His Granddaughter, Abigail Robbins married Silas Belden on 30 November 1716 in Wethersfield, CT. Abigail was born (12 June 1697) and died (16 February 1783) n Wethersfield. She was the daughter of Joshua Robbins and mother unknown of Wethersfield. One researcher has her Grandparents, John Robbins b. 1615 Hedingworth, Leicestershire, England and Mary Welles, b. 25 April 1616 Tidmington, Worcester, England. They were married in Westerfield in September 1639. They b oth died in Westerfield in 1660 and 1659 respectively. But they would be amongst the first colonizers to be married there. And the irony comes with the Robbins and Belden line which makes me related to Marlene and the late Ellen. At the time we were working on their book, Ellen and I would meet after worship and discuss the progress of thei r book. At that time we told our friends we were not cousins but had a family connection. Ellen sad to say died just after the book was published. At her funeral I met her family and again told them that we had a family tie. With the above discovery in December 2015 I was soon in touch with Marlene and others in that family. Marlene was not surprised to learn that we were related because of our common Wethersfield connections. That's all for now. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1456 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-26 17:32:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } This will help immensely. Thank you. Can't wait unti l Wednesday. I love to read history. John Dildaine Robbins married Hannah J Phillips and I am reading a book on Henry the VIII's court to straighten things out. I have Hannah 17 generations back. We have some people who have spent time in the London Tower, some made it out, others not. I could be related to the other half of someone who many claim is Henry VIII illegitimate son. Here I am this Irish Catholic girl related to people who beheaded hundreds of Irish. Sara, I read a story of someone who walked from Wethersfield and I think found some land in New Jersey and one of the things he did was turn Quaker because that was the religion of the neighborhood. I think it was som eplace other than Woodridge but maybe not and I wonder if he didn't move back to Wetherfield when he got old. Every once in a while I google on my IPad looking for the story. Do you know which Robbins it could be? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 26, 2017, 2:55 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Kathy, There is a book Ancient Families of Wethersfield CT. The Robbins Family Vol II pgs. 549-584 by Henry R. Stiles A.M. M.D. New York 1904. It is on ancestry.com. Hope this will be helpful to your search. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:46 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins I remember all those names as I plowed through all these Wetherfield area cemetery records last night. There is supposed to be a big and expensive book on Wethersfield which is owned by Ancestry. I would like to access it but I get my Ancestry.com through the first genealogy library not open until Wednesday. 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Please post it if you find it. Sounds interesting. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:33 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins This will help immensely. Thank you. Can't wait until Wednesday. I love to read history. John Dildaine Robbins married Hannah J Phillips and I am reading a book on Henry the VIII's court to straighten things out. I ha ve Hannah 17 generations back. We have some people who have spent time in the London Tower, some made it out, others not. I could be related to the other half of someone who many claim is Henry VIII illegitimate son. H ere I am this Irish Catholic girl related to people who beheaded hundreds of Irish. Sara, I read a story of someone who walked from Wethersfield and I think found some land in New Jersey and one of the things he did was turn Quaker because that was the religion of the neighborhood. I think it was som eplace other than Woodridge but maybe not and I wonder if he didn't move back to Wetherfield when he got old. Every once in a while I google on my IPad looking for the story. Do you know which Robbins it could be? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, June 26, 2017, 2:55 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Kathy, There is a book Ancient Families of Wethersfield CT. The Robbins Family Vol II pgs. 549-584 by Henry R. Stiles A.M. M.D. New York 1904. It is on ancestry.com. Hope this will be helpful to your search. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:46 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins I remember all those names as I plowed through all these Wetherfield area cemetery records last night. There is supposed to be a big and expensive book on Wethersfield which is owned by Ancestry. I would like to access it but I get my Ancestry.com through the first genealogy library not open until Wednesday. Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1458 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-06-27 09:33:54 Subject:Job Robins died 1756 Message: I've been searching Quaker records and found the following, I've also added notes: From U.S. Quaker Meeting House Records Kingwood, Hunterdon County, NJ Kingwood (Bethlehem) 8th Day - 5th Month - 1745 Friends of Great Meadows renewed request for holding a meeting first day of each week. Note: Great Meadows was the area where the Hardwick Meetings were established. pg. 63: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 8th day of the 1st Month, 1756 Job Robins requested that he and his wife & children may be taken under the care and notice of this Monthly Meeting as members of our Religious Society pg. 65: 12th Day of the 2nd Month 1756 ...received. pg. 86: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. Note: 1) This is Daniel who died in 1802 in Knolton Twp, Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ 2) July 10, 1758 has been used as Daniel's marriage date, but he was already married. pg. 121: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingswood the 12th Day of the 11th Month 1761 The representatives being call'd all appear'd - Kingwood representatives report that Daniel Robins is found Guilty of Drinking Spiritious Liquors to Excess several times, and also it is reported that he is apt to Swear , and Horse Racing, and the Overseers have treated with him on that account, and yet Neglects to give Satisfactin to this Meeting, therefore this Meeting appoints James Willson and Jacob Large to treat further with him on that account. pg. 123: At our Kingwood Monthly Meeting held at Hardwick the 11th Day of the 2nd Month 1762 The case of Daniel Robins coming under consideration, It is the Judgement of this Meeting, that a Testimony aut to go forth against him and his Scandalous Practises. Wherefore James Willson and Samuel Kessler are appo inted to prepare an Essay of Testimony against him. pg. 124: At our Kingwood Monthly Meeting held at Hardwick the 8th Day of the 4th Month 1762 The representatives being called Except one; The Friend appointed last Meeting to Read the Testimony to Daniel Robins which was Signed against him, Reports that he has perform'd that Service agreeable to the minutes of last Meeting. pg. 153: At our Kingwood Montly Meeting held at Hardwick the 14th Day of the 4th Month 1768 This Meeting is inform'd by Kingwood represtative that Andrew Robins & Samuel Simcock have both gone out in Marriage, and that they have been treated with for the same, their case is refer'd to next Meeting. At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 12th Day of the 5th Month 1768 Andrew Robins neglects making Satisfaction for his outgoing in Marriage. From the Women's Minutes: pg. 34: At our Monthly Meeting of Women Friends held at Kingwood the 14th Day of the 7th Month 1757. Abigail Hunt late widow of Job Robins having since the Death of her husband proceeded in marriage with Thomas Hunt who in respect of Religion is of a different opinion from us, contrary to the rules of Discipline Estab lished among Friends. pg. 53: At our Women's Montly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 3'd Month 1763 Martha Willson one of the Overseers reports that she hath been to Elizabeth Robins and has Dealt with her concerning her being Guilty of Fornication and she refuseth to Condemn her Lewd Conduct to the Satisfaction of F riends, wherefore this Meeting appoints Rachel Kessler & Mary Large to Draw a Jestification against her ready to be signed at our next Monthly Meeting. pg. 74: Kingwood Meeting held Hartwick 11th Day of the 10th Mo. 1770 Lidia Robbins, Sarah Lunday, and Susannh Parker having offer'd papers for acknowledgement for their misconduct they are left for further consideration. pg. 90: At our Mo. Meeting held at Kingwood the 14th Day of the third Mo. 1776 Lidia Robbins having been found guilty of commiting Fornication & has been Labour'd with without effect therefore the Meeting appoints Rhoda Large & Susannah Kester to draw a Jestification against her & produce it next meeting. Note: 1) I believe Daniel, Andrew, Elizabeth, and Lidia are probably all children of Job. 2) Daniel was Job's oldest son but not yet 21 when Job wrote his Will in 1756, which means he could have been born 1737 - 1738 been married prior to July 10, 1758. From the History of Warren County, NJ, by George Wyckoff Cummins, 1911 Chapter XIII Allamuchy In this locality settled many famiiles of the Hardwick Society of Friends, who came mostly from Kingwood, New Jersey, and Bucks County, Pa. The Lundy family - ... his son, Richard Lundy, was born in 1692, moved to Allamuchy in 1747, and died there in 1772. He was an elder in the Society of Friends, and was acitve in establishing Hardwick. He had five son s and four daughters, all of whom settled and lived their lives in the vicinity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1459 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-27 10:37:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Job Robins died 1756 Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Sure enough, the minutes of the Kingwood Monthly Meeting show that on the 10th day of the 7th month (Sept. 10), 1758, Daniel Robins declared himself a Quaker. I took this from a story The Two Taverns at Robins Hill, part three | | | | | | | | | | | The Two Taverns at Robins Hill, part three A response to the article written by Egbert T. Bush on August 7, 1930 entitled “Buchanan’s, A Tavern With A Long History” (Part One and Part Two) Daniel and Frances Robins Continuing on the quest t… | | | | I found it while looking for a link to Wetherfield. Haven't found that yet. Going to check out Isaac. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 11:37 AM, gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been searching Quaker records and found the following, I've also added notes: From U.S. Quaker Meeting House Records Kingwood, Hunterdon County, NJ Kingwood (Bethlehem) 8th Day - 5th Month - 1745 Friends of Great Meadows renewed request for holding a meeting first day of each week. Note: Great Meadows was the area where the Hardwick Meetings were established. pg. 63: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 8th day of the 1st Month, 1756 Job Robins requested that he and his wife & children may be taken under the care and notice of this Monthly Meeting as members of our Religious Society pg. 65: 12th Day of the 2nd Month 1756 ...received. pg. 86: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. Note: 1) This is Daniel who died in 1802 in Knolton Twp, Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ 2) July 10, 1758 has been used as Daniel's marriage date, but he was already married. pg. 121: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingswood the 12th Day of the 11th Month 1761 The representatives being call'd all appear'd - Kingwood representatives report that Daniel Robins is found Guilty of Drinking Spiritious Liquors to Excess several times, and also it is reported that he is apt to Swear , and Horse Racing, and the Overseers have treated with him on that account, and yet Neglects to give Satisfactin to this Meeting, therefore this Meeting appoints James Willson and Jacob Large to treat further with him on that account. pg. 123: At our Kingwood Monthly Meeting held at Hardwick the 11th Day of the 2nd Month 1762 The case of Daniel Robins coming under consideration, It is the Judgement of this Meeting, that a Testimony aut to go forth against him and his Scandalous Practises. Wherefore James Willson and Samuel Kessler are appo inted to prepare an Essay of Testimony against him. pg. 124: At our Kingwood Monthly Meeting held at Hardwick the 8th Day of the 4th Month 1762 The representatives being called Except one; The Friend appointed last Meeting to Read the Testimony to Daniel Robins which was Signed against him, Reports that he has perform'd that Service agreeable to the minutes of last Meeting. pg. 153: At our Kingwood Montly Meeting held at Hardwick the 14th Day of the 4th Month 1768 This Meeting is inform'd by Kingwood represtative that Andrew Robins & Samuel Simcock have both gone out in Marriage, and that they have been treated with for the same, their case is refer'd to next Meeting. At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 12th Day of the 5th Month 1768 Andrew Robins neglects making Satisfaction for his outgoing in Marriage. From the Women's Minutes: pg. 34: At our Monthly Meeting of Women Friends held at Kingwood the 14th Day of the 7th Month 1757. Abigail Hunt late widow of Job Robins having since the Death of her husband proceeded in marriage with Thomas Hunt who in respect of Religion is of a different opinion from us, contrary to the rules of Discipline Estab lished among Friends. pg. 53: At our Women's Montly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 3'd Month 1763 Martha Willson one of the Overseers reports that she hath been to Elizabeth Robins and has Dealt with her concerning her being Guilty of Fornication and she refuseth to Condemn her Lewd Conduct to the Satisfaction of F riends, wherefore this Meeting appoints Rachel Kessler & Mary Large to Draw a Jestification against her ready to be signed at our next Monthly Meeting. pg. 74: Kingwood Meeting held Hartwick 11th Day of the 10th Mo. 1770 Lidia Robbins, Sarah Lunday, and Susannh Parker having offer'd papers for acknowledgement for their misconduct they are left for further consideration. pg. 90: At our Mo. Meeting held at Kingwood the 14th Day of the third Mo. 1776 Lidia Robbins having been found guilty of commiting Fornication & has been Labour'd with without effect therefore the Meeting appoints Rhoda Large & Susannah Kester to draw a Jestification against her & produce it next meeting. Note: 1) I believe Daniel, Andrew, Elizabeth, and Lidia are probably all children of Job. 2) Daniel was Job's oldest son but not yet 21 when Job wrote his Will in 1756, which means he could have been born 1737 - 1738 been married prior to July 10, 1758. From the History of Warren County, NJ, by George Wyckoff Cummins, 1911 Chapter XIII Allamuchy In this locality settled many famiiles of the Hardwick Society of Friends, who came mostly from Kingwood, New Jersey, and Bucks County, Pa. The Lundy family - ... his son, Richard Lundy, was born in 1692, moved to Allamuchy in 1747, and died there in 1772. He was an elder in the Society of Friends, and was acitve in establishing Hardwick. 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I missed the part ab out Daniel declaring himself a Quaker, he was already a Quaker, but on a path to not be a Quaker. 7th month = September, was the other calendar still being used? Thanks for the link. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:37 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Job Robins died 1756 Sure enough, the minutes of the Kingwood Monthly Meeting show that on the 10th day of the 7th month (Sept. 10), 1758, Daniel Robins declared himself a Quaker. I took this from a story The Two Taverns at Robins Hill, part three The Two Taverns at Robins Hill, part three A response to the article written by Egbert T. Bush on August 7, 1930 entitled “Buchanan’s, A Tavern With A Long History” (Part One and Part Two) Daniel and Frances Robins Continuing on the quest t… I found it while looking for a link to Wetherfield. Haven't found that yet. Going to check out Isaac. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 11:37 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been searching Quaker records and found the following, I've also added notes: From U.S. Quaker Meeting House Records Kingwood, Hunterdon County, NJ Kingwood (Bethlehem) 8th Day - 5th Month - 1745 Friends of Great Meadows renewed request for holding a meeting first day of each week. Note: Great Meadows was the area where the Hardwick Meetings were established. pg. 63: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 8th day of the 1st Month, 1756 Job Robins requested that he and his wife & children may be taken under the care and notice of this Monthly Meeting as members of our Religious Society pg. 65: 12th Day of the 2nd Month 1756 ...received. pg. 86: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. Note: 1) This is Daniel who died in 1802 in Knolton Twp, Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ 2) July 10, 1758 has been used as Daniel's marriage date, but he was already married. pg. 121: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingswood the 12th Day of the 11th Month 1761 The representatives being call'd all appear'd - Kingwood representatives report that Daniel Robins is found Guilty of Drinking Spiritious Liquors to Excess several times, and also it is reported that he is apt to Swea r, and Horse Racing, and the Overseers have treated with him on that account, and yet Neglects to give Satisfactin to this Meeting, therefore this Meeting appoints James Willson and Jacob Large to treat further with him on that account. pg. 123: At our Kingwood Monthly Meeting held at Hardwick the 11th Day of the 2nd Month 1762 The case of Daniel Robins coming under consideration, It is the Judgement of this Meeting, that a Testimony aut to go forth against him and his Scandalous Practises. Wherefore James Willson and Samuel Kessler are app ointed to prepare an Essay of Testimony against him. pg. 124: At our Kingwood Monthly Meeting held at Hardwick the 8th Day of the 4th Month 1762 The representatives being called Except one; The Friend appointed last Meeting to Read the Testimony to Daniel Robins which was Signed against him, Reports that he has perform'd that Service agreeable to the minutes o f last Meeting. pg. 153: At our Kingwood Montly Meeting held at Hardwick the 14th Day of the 4th Month 1768 This Meeting is inform'd by Kingwood represtative that Andrew Robins & Samuel Simcock have both gone out in Marriage, and that they have been treated with for the same, their case is refer'd to next Meeting. At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 12th Day of the 5th Month 1768 Andrew Robins neglects making Satisfaction for his outgoing in Marriage. From the Women's Minutes: pg. 34: At our Monthly Meeting of Women Friends held at Kingwood the 14th Day of the 7th Month 1757. Abigail Hunt late widow of Job Robins having since the Death of her husband proceeded in marriage with Thomas Hunt who in respect of Religion is of a different opinion from us, contrary to the rules of Discipline Esta blished among Friends. pg. 53: At our Women's Montly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 3'd Month 1763 Martha Willson one of the Overseers reports that she hath been to Elizabeth Robins and has Dealt with her concerning her being Guilty of Fornication and she refuseth to Condemn her Lewd Conduct to the Satisfaction of Friends, wherefore this Meeting appoints Rachel Kessler & Mary Large to Draw a Jestification against her ready to be signed at our next Monthly Meeting. pg. 74: Kingwood Meeting held Hartwick 11th Day of the 10th Mo. 1770 Lidia Robbins, Sarah Lunday, and Susannh Parker having offer'd papers for acknowledgement for their misconduct they are left for further consideration. pg. 90: At our Mo. Meeting held at Kingwood the 14th Day of the third Mo. 1776 Lidia Robbins having been found guilty of commiting Fornication & has been Labour'd with without effect therefore the Meeting appoints Rhoda Large & Susannah Kester to draw a Jestification against her & produce it nex t meeting. Note: 1) I believe Daniel, Andrew, Elizabeth, and Lidia are probably all children of Job. 2) Daniel was Job's oldest son but not yet 21 when Job wrote his Will in 1756, which means he could have been born 1737 - 1738 been married prior to July 10, 1758. From the History of Warren County, NJ, by George Wyckoff Cummins, 1911 Chapter XIII Allamuchy In this locality settled many famiiles of the Hardwick Society of Friends, who came mostly from Kingwood, New Jersey, and Bucks County, Pa. The Lundy family - ... his son, Richard Lundy, was born in 1692, moved to Allamuchy in 1747, and died there in 1772. He was an elder in the Society of Friends, and was acitve in establishing Hardwick. He had five so ns and four daughters, all of whom settled and lived their lives in the vicinity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1461 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-27 14:51:55 Subject:Robert ROBINS (d 1715) Message: Does anyone know who this might be ? ... 1715/6 Jan 11. Robins, Robert, of Cohansy, Salem Co; will of. Wife Hanah, sole heiress and exectrix of real and personal estate during minority of son Latten Robins. Witnesses - Tho. Maskell, Peter Fitchrandolph, Jo'n Fitchrandolph, Henry Joyce. Proved Feb 16 1715/6. Lib. 2, p. 182. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1462 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-06-27 19:03:45 Subject:Re: Job Robins died 1756 Message: I am reading with interest the accounts of Daniel Robins died 1802. Sounds like a family member all right...LOL. Anyway, Daniel was supposed to be John Robins' son, not Job. Richard Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1463 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-27 19:25:32 Subject:Re: Quaker Info Message: Thanks for posting the Quaker info, Garry and Kathleen. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1464 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-28 11:51:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) Message: I know who this might be, Robert Robins, son of Daniel from Scotland. I have him as a son, don’t know the source. Daniel’s son, Richard, died in Cohansy in 1715. Sara should know. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:51 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) Does anyone know who this might be ? ... 1715/6 Jan 11. Robins, Robert, of Cohansy, Salem Co; will of. Wife Hanah, sole heiress and exectrix of real and personal estate during minority of son Latten Robins. Witnesses - Tho. Maskell, Peter Fitchrandolph, Jo'n Fitchrandolph, Henry Joyce. Proved Feb 16 1715/6. Lib. 2, p. 182. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1465 Sender:Hello Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-06-28 17:39:05 Subject:Issac Robins born 1698 Message: Hello Gerry, It is me, the person who is trying to eliminate your family😊 I am still having problems with linking my Robins to Daniel and Hope Potter Robins. Issac Robins born 1698 and Asubia has a son named Vincent. This seems to be a name within the seven children of "Cincy" who came from Ireland. Also. it bothers me that Daniel Robins and Hope Potter lived in Burlington which is clear across the state from Sussex. Another factor which is most likely a coincidence is that several of my PA robins cousins born in the 1800's are named Wesley. Bottom line is that the name Vincent bothers me. Thank you for any suggestions Barbara Los Gatos CA -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1466 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-28 19:50:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) Message: I have seen it speculated that this Robert ROBINS is a son of Daniel ROBINS (d 1714), but I think it's more likely that Robert is a grandson of Daniel. > I know who this might be, Robert Robins, son of Daniel from Scotland. I > have him as a son, don’t know the source. Daniel’s son, Richard, died in > Cohansy in 1715. > > Sara should know. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:51 PM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) > > > > Does anyone know who this might be ? ... > > 1715/6 Jan 11. Robins, Robert, of Cohansy, Salem Co; will of. Wife Hanah, > sole heiress and exectrix of real and personal estate during minority of > son Latten Robins. Witnesses - Tho. Maskell, Peter Fitchrandolph, Jo'n > Fitchrandolph, Henry Joyce. Proved Feb 16 1715/6. > Lib. 2, p. 182. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1467 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-06-28 20:17:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Issac Robins born 1698 Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I am pretty sure the Fauses exist and that Rachel th e mother would be a sister of my great, great grandfather, John Dildaine Robbins. He was born in Columbia County PA, the son of Joshua Robbins and am not totally sure of his mother but for now I have Jane Dildine Robbi ns. My great grandfather is one of your John Wesley Robbins. His father, loaded them into a covered wagon and they settled in Monona County Iowa. They left from Davidson Twp, Sullivan County, PA. When Gerry disagrees on something I listen even though I may appear not to. He knows his Robbins. Even though I haven't studied it yet, from the 1800 census when you search for Robans, all those 5 names, including Vincent appear to be eithe r in the same household or living close together so that the census taker put them in a row. Forgive me, I forgot the county, either Northumbrian or Northhampton. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 7:47 PM, Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello Gerry, It is me, the person who is trying to eliminate your family😊 I am still having problems with linking my Robins to Daniel and Hope Potter Robins. Issac Robins born 1698 and Asubia has a son named Vincent. This seems to be a name within the seven children of "Cincy" who came from Ireland. Also. it bothers me that Daniel Robins and Hope Potter lived in Burlington which is clear across the state from Sussex. Another factor which is most likely a coincidence is that several of my PA robins cousins born in the 1800's are named Wesley. Bottom line is that the name Vincent bothers me. 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The following is probably from the Robins/Robbins of New Jersey book: The births of Daniel and Hope's children were recorded in the old "Town Book" of Woodbridge, New Jersey. This book is now in the possession of the New Jersey Historical Society of Newark. How’s the cat population in Los Gatos? Garry From: Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:39 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Issac Robins born 1698 Hello Gerry, It is me, the person who is trying to eliminate your family😊 I am still having problems with linking my Robins to Daniel and Hope Potter Robins. Issac Robins born 1698 and Asubia has a son named Vincent. This seems to be a name within the seven children of "Cincy" who came from Ireland. Also. it bothers me that Daniel Robins and Hope Potter lived in Burlington which is clear across the state from Sussex. Another factor which is most likely a coincidence is that several of my PA robins cousins born in the 1800's are named Wesley. Bottom line is that the name Vincent bothers me. Thank you for any suggestions Barbara Los Gatos CA -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1469 Sender:Hello Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-06-29 11:04:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Issac Robins born 1698 Message: I was mistaken about Burlington. I should have said Woodbridge. My link to the Robins of New Jersey is Ann Robins who married in Knowleton in 1803. I believe that she may be the daughter of Issac and Bathsheba Robins because she named her first daughter Bathsheba. The Vincent that I am concerned about is the son of Issac and Asubia Thatcher Robins and born 1723. It is a name that doesn't blend in with all the biblical names that dominate the Daniel and Hope clan. I wonder if " Cincy" with six son that include a son Vincent is the family that came from Ireland and not related to the Daniel Potter. (I knew nothing about Sincy until i joined the group a few weeks ago and now I am more confused than ever) Also, might you know who the Abraham Robins in the 1830 Sussex census who lives a few doors down from Isaac? Funny you mention cats. Our cat "rules". She was a stray that we found on our door step. Our area has a "No Kill" shelter. As such, my neighbor's and myself often find strays and take them to the shelter to be fixed and then return them to where they were found. Warmly, Barbara Los Gatos, CA On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:00 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Why do you think Daniel and Hope Robins lived in Burlington? The > following is probably from the Robins/Robbins of New Jersey book: > > The births of Daniel and Hope's children were recorded in the old "Town > Book" of Woodbridge, New Jersey. This book is now in the possession of the > New Jersey Historical Society of Newark. > > How’s the cat population in Los Gatos? > > Garry > > *From:* Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:39 PM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Issac Robins born 1698 > > > > Hello Gerry, It is me, the person who is trying to eliminate your family😊 > > I am still having problems with linking my Robins to Daniel and Hope > Potter Robins. > > Issac Robins born 1698 and Asubia has a son named Vincent. This seems to > be a name within the seven children of "Cincy" who came from Ireland. > > Also. it bothers me that Daniel Robins and Hope Potter lived in Burlington > which is clear across the state from Sussex. > > Another factor which is most likely a coincidence is that several of my PA > robins cousins born in the 1800's are named Wesley. > > Bottom line is that the name Vincent bothers me. > > Thank you for any suggestions > > Barbara > Los Gatos CA > > -- > > > > -- *Barbara Anderson* ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1470 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-29 11:35:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Issac Robins born 1698 Message: You’re right, Vincent “doesn’t blend well”, but that happens. Maybe Vincent comes from Asubia’s family, maybe from a close friend, etc. Besides Vincent, Isaac had a son Joseph, that I’ve seen no information about other than him and Vincent selling the land they inherited to Job Robins. There’s a chance that Vincent born 1764 is a son of Joseph. That w ould “blend well”. You’d have to be a genius not to be confused with this family. I haven’t seen any record for Cincy Robins. I can’t help you with Abraham in the 1830 census. Garry From: Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 2:04 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Issac Robins born 1698 I was mistaken about Burlington. I should have said Woodbridge. My link to the Robins of New Jersey is Ann Robins who married in Knowleton in 1803. I believe that she may be the daughter of Issac and Bathsheba Robins because she named her first daughter Bathsheba. The Vincent that I am concerned about is the son of Issac and Asubia Thatcher Robins and born 1723. It is a name that doesn't blend in with all the biblical names that dominate the Daniel and Hope clan. I wonder if "C incy" with six son that include a son Vincent is the family that came from Ireland and not related to the Daniel Potter. (I knew nothing about Sincy until i joined the group a few weeks ago and now I am more confused than ever) Also, might you know who the Abraham Robins in the 1830 Sussex census who lives a few doors down from Isaac? Funny you mention cats. Our cat "rules". She was a stray that we found on our door step. Our area has a "No Kill" shelter. As such, my neighbor's and myself often find strays and take them to the shelter to be fixed and then return them to where they were found. Warmly, Barbara Los Gatos, CA On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:00 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Why do you think Daniel and Hope Robins lived in Burlington? The following is probably from the Robins/Robbins of New Jersey book: The births of Daniel and Hope's children were recorded in the old "Town Book" of Woodbridge, New Jersey. This book is now in the possession of the New Jersey Historical Society of Newark. How’s the cat population in Los Gatos? Garry From: Hello Mclean mclean811@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:39 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Issac Robins born 1698 Hello Gerry, It is me, the person who is trying to eliminate your family😊 I am still having problems with linking my Robins to Daniel and Hope Potter Robins. Issac Robins born 1698 and Asubia has a son named Vincent. This seems to be a name within the seven children of "Cincy" who came from Ireland. Also. it bothers me that Daniel Robins and Hope Potter lived in Burlington which is clear across the state from Sussex. Another factor which is most likely a coincidence is that several of my PA robins cousins born in the 1800's are named Wesley. Bottom line is that the name Vincent bothers me. Thank you for any suggestions Barbara Los Gatos CA -- -- Barbara Anderson ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1471 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-06-29 14:43:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Issac Robins born 1698 Message: Hello to the group, I have been entertained with all the Pennsylvania Robbins and the Quaker information being bantered about. I thought that the 1820 Ohio census Vincent Robbins was closely related to the PA. group until a will for Vincen t proved to me that he wasn't the correct one. The Ohio Robbins clan has many Vincent's and Azubia / Azuba that have stayed in the family throughout the 1800's. A number of us Ohio Robbins believe that we are related b ack to Isaac and Azubia Thatcher Robbins. There son Vincent died in 1760 and sold the land to there uncle Job. There is Vincent Robbins along with his sister Azuba Washburn who came to Kentucky during the 1780's to help fight the Indians. Vincent married Charity Ryker and had 4 children before he was reportedly killed in 1798. My last known Robbins was Peter Robbins born in New Hope Ohio in 1810. He had a older brother Vincent born in 1808 along with a sister named Azubia but who the parents were I'm not sure.The only bit of information I have is the 1820 Brown County Ohio census that had Vincent Robbins and his children age slots that matched up we ll with my 3rd G grandfather Peter born in 1810. Cris Robbins On Thursday, June 29, 2017 2:36 PM, "'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: You’re right, Vincent “doesn’t blend well”, but that happens. Maybe Vincent comes from Asubia’s family, maybe from a close friend, etc. Besides Vincent, Isaac had a son Joseph, that I’ve seen no information abou t other than him and Vincent selling the land they inherited to Job Robins. There’s a chance that Vincent born 1764 is a son of Joseph. That would “blend well”. You’d have to be a genius not to be confused with this f amily. I haven’t seen any record for Cincy Robins. I can’t help you with Abraham in the 1830 census. Garry From: Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 2:04 PMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Issac Robins born 1698 I was mistaken about Bur lington. I should have said Woodbridge. My link to the Robins of New Jersey is Ann Robins who married in Knowleton in 1803.I believe that she may be the daughter of Issac and Bathsheba Robins because she named her f irst daughter Bathsheba. The Vincent that I am concerned about is the son of Issac and Asubia Thatcher Robins and born 1723. It is a name that doesn't blend in with all the biblical names that dominate the Daniel and Hope clan. I wonder if "Cincy" with six son that include a son Vincent is the family that came from Ireland and not related to the Daniel Potter. (I knew nothing about Sincy until i joined the group a few weeks ago and now I am more confused than ever) Also, might you know who the Abraham Robins in the 1830 Sussex census who lives a few doors down from Isaac? Funny you mention cats. Our cat "rules". She was a stray that we foun d on our door step. Our area has a "No Kill" shelter. As such, my neighbor's and myself often find strays and take them to the shelter to be fixed and then return them to where they were found. Warmly, BarbaraLos Gato s, CA On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:00 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Why do you think Daniel and Hope Robins lived in Burlington? The following is probably from the Robins/Robbins of New Jersey book: The births of Daniel and Hope's children were recorded in the old "Town Book" of Woodbridge, New Jersey. This book is now in the possession of the New Jersey Historical Society of Newark. How’s the cat population in Los Gatos? Garry From: Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociet y] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:39 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@ yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Issac Robins born 1698 Hello Gerry, It is me, the person who is trying to eliminate your fam ily😊 I am still having problems with linking my Robins to Daniel and Hope Potter Robins. Issac Robins born 1698 and Asubia has a son named Vincent. This seems to be a name within the seven children of "Cincy" who cam e from Ireland. Also. it bothers me that Daniel Robins and Hope Potter lived in Burlington which is clear across the state from Sussex. Another factor which is most likely a coincidence is that several of my PA robi ns cousins born in the 1800's are named Wesley. Bottom line is that the name Vincent bothers me. 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Caroline was my great grandfather, Edward Robbins, sister. The mother had remarried, Abigail Grove r. Edward ended up in Wi. I hope this is a connection. I can give you more information if you like. Shirley Sent from my iPad > On Jun 29, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1473 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-29 17:54:47 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) Message: Marshall, Robert Robins b. ? d. 1715 migrated from Oyster Bay, L.I., N.Y. to Cohansey, NJ. Robert wasn't related to the Daniel Robins family. He has been incorrectly named as a son of Daniel & Hope & of their son Richard Robins 1673-1715. Robert's only child was son Lattin Robins who died in childhood. Robert's widow Hannah sold the all the land willed to Lattin from his father on 12-26-1726. She remarried John Ware of Salem Co., NJ. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:52 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) Does anyone know who this might be ? ... 1715/6 Jan 11. Robins, Robert, of Cohansy, Salem Co; will of. Wife Hanah, sole heiress and exectrix of real and personal estate during minority of son Latten Robins. Witnesses - Tho. Maskell, Peter Fitchrandolph, Jo'n Fitchrandolph, Henry Joyce. Proved Feb 16 1715/6. Lib. 2, p. 182. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1474 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-29 18:04:19 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) Message: Garry, The speculation that Robert Robins was a son of Daniel Robins is incorrect. I never found any evidence that he was a grandson of Daniel & Hope. Robert Robins came to Salem Co., NJ from Oyster Bay L.I., N.Y. & my researc h indicates he was a descendant of a John Robins of Oyster Bay. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 7:51 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) I have seen it speculated that this Robert ROBINS is a son of Daniel ROBINS (d 1714), but I think it's more likely that Robert is a grandson of Daniel. > I know who this might be, Robert Robins, son of Daniel from Scotland. I > have him as a son, don’t know the source. Daniel’s son, Richard, died in > Cohansy in 1715. > > Sara should know. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:51 PM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) > > > > Does anyone know who this might be ? ... > > 1715/6 Jan 11. Robins, Robert, of Cohansy, Salem Co; will of. Wife Hanah, > sole heiress and exectrix of real and personal estate during minority of > son Latten Robins. Witnesses - Tho. Maskell, Peter Fitchrandolph, Jo'n > Fitchrandolph, Henry Joyce. Proved Feb 16 1715/6. > Lib. 2, p. 182. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1475 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2017-06-29 22:48:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) Message: Sara! You're the best! On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:04 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Garry, > > The speculation that Robert Robins was a son of Daniel Robins is > incorrect. I never found any evidence that he was a grandson of Daniel & > Hope. Robert Robins came to Salem Co., NJ from Oyster Bay L.I., N.Y. & my > research indicates he was a descendant of a John Robins of Oyster Bay. > > Sara > > > > *From:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@ > yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2017 7:51 PM > *To:* ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List yahoogroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) > > > > > > > I have seen it speculated that this Robert ROBINS is a son of Daniel > ROBINS > (d 1714), but I think it's more likely that Robert is a grandson of > Daniel. > > > I know who this might be, Robert Robins, son of Daniel from Scotland. I > > have him as a son, don’t know the source. Daniel’s son, Richard, died in > > Cohansy in 1715. > > > > Sara should know. > > > > Garry > > > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:51 PM > > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) > > > > > > > > Does anyone know who this might be ? ... > > > > 1715/6 Jan 11. Robins, Robert, of Cohansy, Salem Co; will of. Wife Hanah, > > sole heiress and exectrix of real and personal estate during minority of > > son Latten Robins. Witnesses - Tho. Maskell, Peter Fitchrandolph, Jo'n > > Fitchrandolph, Henry Joyce. Proved Feb 16 1715/6. > > Lib. 2, p. 182. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > > -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1476 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-06-30 07:29:10 Subject:Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. A re their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1477 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-30 07:58:26 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) Message: Todd, Many things I don’t know regarding the Robins, Robbins family or not certain about. Anyhow, thank you for your kind compliment. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 10:48 PM To: Robbins Family Society Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) Sara! You're the best! On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:04 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Garry, The speculation that Robert Robins was a son of Daniel Robins is incorrect. I never found any evidence that he was a grandson of Daniel & Hope. Robert Robins came to Salem Co., NJ from Oyster Bay L.I., N.Y. & my researc h indicates he was a descendant of a John Robins of Oyster Bay. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 7:51 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) I have seen it speculated that this Robert ROBINS is a son of Daniel ROBINS (d 1714), but I think it's more likely that Robert is a grandson of Daniel. > I know who this might be, Robert Robins, son of Daniel from Scotland. I > have him as a son, don’t know the source. Daniel’s son, Richard, died in > Cohansy in 1715. > > Sara should know. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:51 PM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robert ROBINS (d 1715) > > > > Does anyone know who this might be ? ... > > 1715/6 Jan 11. Robins, Robert, of Cohansy, Salem Co; will of. Wife Hanah, > sole heiress and exectrix of real and personal estate during minority of > son Latten Robins. Witnesses - Tho. Maskell, Peter Fitchrandolph, Jo'n > Fitchrandolph, Henry Joyce. Proved Feb 16 1715/6. > Lib. 2, p. 182. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net -- Tod Robbins Digital Asset Manager, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1478 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-06-30 11:44:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 Message: Yes, Daniel was enjoying himself. I’m thinking Daniel could be Job’s or John’s son. As far as I know, the support for Daniel being a son of John is that John’s son, Daniel had a wife named Ann, and Daniel who died in 1802 had a wife named Ann. Is ther e more? Garry From: Richard Robbins rer.480@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:03 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 I am reading with interest the accounts of Daniel Robins died 1802. Sounds like a family member all right...LOL. Anyway, Daniel was supposed to be John Robins' son, not Job. Richard Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1479 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-06-30 14:52:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1480 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-06-30 15:38:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Robert ROBINS (d 1715) Message: Thanks very much, Sara. > Robert Robins b. ? d. 1715 migrated from Oyster Bay, L.I., N.Y. to Cohansey, > NJ. Robert wasn't related to the Daniel Robins family. He has been > incorrectly named as a son of Daniel & Hope & of their son Richard Robins > 1673-1715. Robert's only child was son Lattin Robins who died in childhood. > Robert's widow Hannah sold the all the land willed to Lattin from his father > on 12-26-1726. She remarried John Ware of Salem Co., NJ. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1481 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-06-30 15:42:17 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1482 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-30 16:57:49 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 [1 Attachment] Message: Tracey, You & I debated the parentage of the Daniel Robins with wife Frances who owned the Robins tavern some time ago. At the time I did not agree with your theory however, I have continued to study the subject since that time . I’ve always tried to keep an open mind on topics in question & continue to research. From what I can see your theory is the most plausible one. It does appear to be more in line with the known facts. Thank you for pre senting your theory. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 2:53 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 [1 Attachment] Hi Garry, You ask what else we have a Daniel Robbins of Knowlton being the son of John. See the attached PDF file which is a copy of pages from Sara's book and is a transcription of a deed for property that was owned by John Robbins and was given to his son Daniel in 1761. The son Daniel had a wife Ann and the couple sold the property it to Jeremiah King in 1772. For me, that deed proves that the Daniel of Knowlton who had a wife Ann when he died in 1802 is indeed the son of John and NOT the son of Job. Now...as for the Daniel the son of Job, I'm going to tell you my theory, which in the past has not been popular among our group here. :-) And that theory is...I believe that the Daniel, son of Job, is the same Daniel who was in trouble with the Quakers, and the same Daniel who owned the tavern at Robins' Hill, and the same Daniel who died in 1763. In fact, judging from the Quakers' reprimands, it sounds like he might have drunk himself to death! When Daniel died, he left a young widow and a young son. The young widow, Frances, remarried John Pearce (Pierce, etc.). And the son took the name Daniel Pearce. The Pearce family left New Jersey and moved to Augusta Co. Virginia. When the descendants of this Daniel Pearce did genealogical DNA tests, they discovered that they didn't match any Pearces. Instead, the males in their family matched males with the last name Robbins. Again, this DNA result indicates that Daniel was really the son of the Daniel Robbins who died in 1763. We've had several discussions about this Pearce family and the Daniel Robbins who died in 1763. You can probably find those discussions by searching this forum. However, Marfy Goodspeed also believed that the Daniel who died in 1763 was the son of Job. She wrote about it in her articles about the tavern. I hope you've read all 4 parts of that article. But the most pertinent parts regarding the Daniel Robbins who owned the tavern and died in 1763 are in: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ and http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-three/ (If my attachment doesn't come through, let me know and I'll try to post it separately in the forum space!) Tracey On 6/30/2017 1:44 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Yes, Daniel was enjoying himself. I’m thinking Daniel could be Job’s or John’s son. As far as I know, the support for Daniel being a son of John is that John’s son, Daniel had a wife named Ann, and Daniel who died in 1802 had a wife named Ann. Is ther e more? Garry From: Richard Robbins rer.480@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:03 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 I am reading with interest the accounts of Daniel Robins died 1802. Sounds like a family member all right...LOL. Anyway, Daniel was supposed to be John Robins' son, not Job. Richard Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1483 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-06-30 18:50:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 Message: Thank you Sara! Yes. We did debate! But debate is a good thing. We have so many great researchers on this site, I'm hoping we'll keep debating and answering more of these questions! Tracey On 6/30/2017 6:57 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, You & I debated the parentage of the Daniel Robins with wife Frances who owned the Robins tavern some time ago. At the time I did not agree with your theory however, I have continued to study the subject since that time. I’ve always tried to keep an open mind on topics in question & continue to research. From what I can see your theory is the most plausible one. It does appear to be more in line with the known facts. Thank you for presenting your theory. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 2:53 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 [1 Attachment] Hi Garry, You ask what else we have a Daniel Robbins of Knowlton being the son of John. See the attached PDF file which is a copy of pages from Sara's book and is a transcription of a deed for property that was owned by John Robbins and was given to his son Daniel in 1761. The son Daniel had a wife Ann and the couple sold the property it to Jeremiah King in 1772. For me, that deed proves that the Daniel of Knowlton who had a wife Ann when he died in 1802 is indeed the son of John and NOT the son of Job. Now...as for the Daniel the son of Job, I'm going to tell you my theory, which in the past has not been popular among our group here. :-) And that theory is...I believe that the Daniel, son of Job, is the same Daniel who was in trouble with the Quakers, and the same Daniel who owned the tavern at Robins' Hill, and the same Daniel who died in 1763. In fact, judging from the Quakers' reprimands, it sounds like he might have drunk himself to death! When Daniel died, he left a young widow and a young son. The young widow, Frances, remarried John Pearce (Pierce, etc.). And the son took the name Daniel Pearce. The Pearce family left New Jersey and moved to Augusta Co. Virginia. When the descendants of this Daniel Pearce did genealogical DNA tests, they discovered that they didn't match any Pearces. Instead, the males in their family matched males with the last name Robbins. Again, this DNA result indicates that Daniel was really the son of the Daniel Robbins who died in 1763. We've had several discussions about this Pearce family and the Daniel Robbins who died in 1763. You can probably find those discussions by searching this forum. However, Marfy Goodspeed also believed that the Daniel who died in 1763 was the son of Job. She wrote about it in her articles about the tavern. I hope you've read all 4 parts of that article. But the most pertinent parts regarding the Daniel Robbins who owned the tavern and died in 1763 are in: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ and http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-three/ (If my attachment doesn't come through, let me know and I'll try to post it separately in the forum space!) Tracey On 6/30/2017 1:44 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Yes, Daniel was enjoying himself. I’m thinking Daniel could be Job’s or John’s son. As far as I know, the support for Daniel being a son of John is that John’s son, Daniel had a wife named Ann, and Daniel who died in 1802 had a wife named Ann. Is there more? Garry From: Richard Robbins rer.480@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:03 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 I am reading with interest the accounts of Daniel Robins died 1802. Sounds like a family member all right...LOL. Anyway, Daniel was supposed to be John Robins' son, not Job. Richard Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1484 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-06-30 19:07:01 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 Message: Tracey, I’ve always loved a good debate. Agree, it is a good thing. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 Thank you Sara! Yes. We did debate! But debate is a good thing. We have so many great researchers on this site, I'm hoping we'll keep debating and answering more of these questions! Tracey On 6/30/2017 6:57 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, You & I debated the parentage of the Daniel Robins with wife Frances who owned the Robins tavern some time ago. At the time I did not agree with your theory however, I have continued to study the subject since that time . I’ve always tried to keep an open mind on topics in question & continue to research. From what I can see your theory is the most plausible one. It does appear to be more in line with the known facts. Thank you for pre senting your theory. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 2:53 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 [1 Attachment] Hi Garry, You ask what else we have a Daniel Robbins of Knowlton being the son of John. See the attached PDF file which is a copy of pages from Sara's book and is a transcription of a deed for property that was owned by John Robbins and was given to his son Daniel in 1761. The son Daniel had a wife Ann and the couple sold the property it to Jeremiah King in 1772. For me, that deed proves that the Daniel of Knowlton who had a wife Ann when he died in 1802 is indeed the son of John and NOT the son of Job. Now...as for the Daniel the son of Job, I'm going to tell you my theory, which in the past has not been popular among our group here. :-) And that theory is...I believe that the Daniel, son of Job, is the same Daniel who was in trouble with the Quakers, and the same Daniel who owned the tavern at Robins' Hill, and the same Daniel who died in 1763. In fact, judging from the Quakers' reprimands, it sounds like he might have drunk himself to death! When Daniel died, he left a young widow and a young son. The young widow, Frances, remarried John Pearce (Pierce, etc.). And the son took the name Daniel Pearce. The Pearce family left New Jersey and moved to Augusta Co. Virginia. When the descendants of this Daniel Pearce did genealogical DNA tests, they discovered that they didn't match any Pearces. Instead, the males in their family matched males with the last name Robbins. Again, this DNA result indicates that Daniel was really the son of the Daniel Robbins who died in 1763. We've had several discussions about this Pearce family and the Daniel Robbins who died in 1763. You can probably find those discussions by searching this forum. However, Marfy Goodspeed also believed that the Daniel who died in 1763 was the son of Job. She wrote about it in her articles about the tavern. I hope you've read all 4 parts of that article. But the most pertinent parts regarding the Daniel Robbins who owned the tavern and died in 1763 are in: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ and http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-three/ (If my attachment doesn't come through, let me know and I'll try to post it separately in the forum space!) Tracey On 6/30/2017 1:44 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Yes, Daniel was enjoying himself. I’m thinking Daniel could be Job’s or John’s son. As far as I know, the support for Daniel being a son of John is that John’s son, Daniel had a wife named Ann, and Daniel who died in 1802 had a wife named Ann. Is ther e more? Garry From: Richard Robbins rer.480@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:03 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 I am reading with interest the accounts of Daniel Robins died 1802. Sounds like a family member all right...LOL. Anyway, Daniel was supposed to be John Robins' son, not Job. Richard Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1485 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-01 05:01:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Message: Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore wh en the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswic ks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – so ns (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed wa s not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizab eth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Are their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1486 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-01 05:14:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore wh en the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswic ks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – so ns (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed wa s not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizab eth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Are their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1487 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-07-01 07:18:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in the same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or marriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the United States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearce was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be the lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore when the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswicks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizabeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Are their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1488 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-01 10:00:52 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore wh en the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(R obins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswic ks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – so ns (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed wa s not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizab eth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Ar e their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1489 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-01 10:11:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: From Kingwood Monthly Meeting: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. July 10, 1758 is not a marriage date, but rather the date of the Monthly Meeting when Daniel’s marriage was discussed. I read this as meaning Daniel was already married. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore when the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned proper ty in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crossw icks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boar ds. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Eliz abeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Are their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1490 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-01 10:43:53 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: Daniel Pearce: Researchers probably know that 1 census record late in life is not very good support for someone’s age. I’ve encountered this situation before. In fact, a couple of ancestors who died in the last century, have the wro ng birth years on their death certificates. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:18 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore when the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned proper ty in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crossw icks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boar ds. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Eliz abeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Are their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1491 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-07-01 11:44:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I know that now when you see a death certificate it has father's complete name and mother's complete name with maiden name. So theoretically if I called to find out where they keep the old death certificates at the county seat of Monona County Iowa where my great great g randfather died in 1868, I think, his parents names should be on there. I know in Waseca County, Minnesota after a certain amount of time they are kept at the Waseca County Historical Society. I know the farther back y ou go the least likely you are to find them. My mother kept after her dad in the 1920's to go and make sure the doctors registered them as being born as they were born at home. Wouldn't you know that her's was the on e that was missing so they needed signed affidavits from people who were present at her birth in 1911. I am going to find out what there is for John Dildaine and try to find Robbins boys who are alive from John Wesley Robbins families. Awful day yesterday but I try to put a good spin on having colonoscopy after 6 months and now have to have another. No one in my first or second degree family has this, only me. As things go not so b ad. I try to help the best I can to at least tell you things I find. I think I need to say (being sarcastic) when I write. I guess I try to put a little humor in because it can be on the dry side. I am proud of all Robbins, Robins, Robans, Robens who see fit to write. Thank you all. This is interesting. My problem is wanting to figure everything at once and then get overwhelmed. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, July 1, 2017, 12:44 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Daniel Pearce: Researchers probably know that 1 census record late in life is not very good support for someone’s age. I’ve encountered this situation before. In fact, a couple of ancestors who died in the last centur y, have the wrong birth years on their death certificates. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:18 AMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@aol.com cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pier ce by 1764, therefore when the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pear ce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunte rdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswic ks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – so ns (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed wa s not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizab eth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Ar e their records available for the Tavern land? 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Are we assuming the Daniel Robins mentioned in the Kingwood MM record was Daniel son of Job or are we certain of his identity? Is there any other record to support a marriage for this Daniel Robins before the July 10, 1 758 Kingwood MM record? Just curious as to what is fact & what is speculation. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ From Kingwood Monthly Meeting: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. July 10, 1758 is not a marriage date, but rather the date of the Monthly Meeting when Daniel’s marriage was discussed. I read this as meaning Daniel was already married. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore wh en the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(R obins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswic ks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – so ns (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed wa s not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizab eth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Ar e their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1493 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-01 16:03:35 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: Kathleen, Thank you for your posting your research along with your dry humor. Sometimes dry humor is the best. Do you think there is a chance of finding a Y-DNA male to test from your John Wesley Robbins family? My experience is the prep for the colonoscopy is the worse part not that the procedure is a piece of cake either. Wish you the best with your health. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 11:44 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ I know that now when you see a death certificate it has father's complete name and mother's complete name with maiden name. So theoretically if I called to find out where they keep the old death certificates at the coun ty seat of Monona County Iowa where my great great grandfather died in 1868, I think, his parents names should be on there. I know in Waseca County, Minnesota after a certain amount of time they are kept at the Waseca County Historical Society. I know the farther back you go the least likely you are to find them. My mother kept after her dad in the 1920's to go and make sure the doctors registered them as being born as they were bo rn at home. Wouldn't you know that her's was the one that was missing so they needed signed affidavits from people who were present at her birth in 1911. I am going to find out what there is for John Dildaine and try to find Robbins boys who are alive from John Wesley Robbins families. Awful day yesterday but I try to put a good spin on having colonoscopy after 6 months and now have to have another. No one in my first or second deg ree family has this, only me. As things go not so bad. I try to help the best I can to at least tell you things I find. I think I need to say (being sarcastic) when I write. I guess I try to put a little humor in be cause it can be on the dry side. I am proud of all Robbins, Robins, Robans, Robens who see fit to write. Thank you all. This is interesting. My problem is wanting to figure everything at once and then get overwhelmed. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, July 1, 2017, 12:44 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Daniel Pearce: Researchers probably know that 1 census record late in life is not very good support for someone’s age. I’ve encountered this situation before. In fact, a couple of ancestors who died in the last century, have the wro ng birth years on their death certificates. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:18 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@aol.com cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore wh en the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswic ks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – so ns (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed wa s not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizab eth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Ar e their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1494 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-02 02:46:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: I’m making that assumption until there’s information to overturn it. I read the Kingwood Monthly Meeting records and didn’t see any other mention of Daniel’s marriage, but it was a quick read. The publication that I assume people got the July 10th 1758 date from reads something like thi s, “the first mention of marriage in the Monthly Meetings”. I think this apples to Andrew’s wedding date also. (Andrew, son of Job) I’ve read that the Robins Tavern Owner Daniel’s wife was possibly Frances Atkinson, because her father’s name, Thomas, appears on Daniel’s Will/Probate record. Thomas Atkinson was a Quaker, which can make one wonder wh y Daniel and Frances would marry “contrary to the Rules of Discipline”. “Fornication” before marriage seemed to occur occasionally, possibly this was the reason, an early pregnancy. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, I agree, it does appear that Daniel was already married at the July 10th 1758 date. Are we assuming the Daniel Robins mentioned in the Kingwood MM record was Daniel son of Job or are we certain of his identity? Is there any other record to support a marriage for this Daniel Robins before the July 10, 1 758 Kingwood MM record? Just curious as to what is fact & what is speculation. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ From Kingwood Monthly Meeting: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. July 10, 1758 is not a marriage date, but rather the date of the Monthly Meeting when Daniel’s marriage was discussed. I read this as meaning Daniel was already married. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore when the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned proper ty in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crossw icks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boar ds. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Eliz abeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Are their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1495 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-02 09:13:04 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: Garry, Thanks. Trying to determine or separate what we know to be facts from what we assume for Daniel Robins mentioned in the 1758 Kingwood MM record. Agree it possible the wife of Daniel Robins Tavern owner was Frances Atkin son daughter of Thomas Atkinson. If not his daughter then possibility she was related to him in some other way. I haven’t researched the Atkinson family in any detail so don’t know if there is a record that Thomas Atkin son had a daughter Frances or how Frances & Thomas may have been related. Maybe another researcher has looked at the Thomas Atkinson family for the answer. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 2:47 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ I’m making that assumption until there’s information to overturn it. I read the Kingwood Monthly Meeting records and didn’t see any other mention of Daniel’s marriage, but it was a quick read. The publication that I assume people got the July 10th 1758 date from reads something like thi s, “the first mention of marriage in the Monthly Meetings”. I think this apples to Andrew’s wedding date also. (Andrew, son of Job) I’ve read that the Robins Tavern Owner Daniel’s wife was possibly Frances Atkinson, because her father’s name, Thomas, appears on Daniel’s Will/Probate record. Thomas Atkinson was a Quaker, which can make one wonder wh y Daniel and Frances would marry “contrary to the Rules of Discipline”. “Fornication” before marriage seemed to occur occasionally, possibly this was the reason, an early pregnancy. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, I agree, it does appear that Daniel was already married at the July 10th 1758 date. Are we assuming the Daniel Robins mentioned in the Kingwood MM record was Daniel son of Job or are we certain of his identity? Is there any other record to support a marriage for this Daniel Robins before the July 10, 1 758 Kingwood MM record? Just curious as to what is fact & what is speculation. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ From Kingwood Monthly Meeting: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. July 10, 1758 is not a marriage date, but rather the date of the Monthly Meeting when Daniel’s marriage was discussed. I read this as meaning Daniel was already married. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@aol.com cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore wh en the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswic ks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – so ns (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed wa s not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizab eth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Ar e their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1496 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-02 10:02:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: “Trying to separate”, sounds like a challenge. The Atkinson Family of New Jersey, pg. 84, says that Frances, daughter of Thomas Atkinson, was born 16 March, 1734. That might have been provided by Tracey. My organization is a little sloppy right now. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 12:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, Thanks. Trying to determine or separate what we know to be facts from what we assume for Daniel Robins mentioned in the 1758 Kingwood MM record. Agree it possible the wife of Daniel Robins Tavern owner was Frances Atkin son daughter of Thomas Atkinson. If not his daughter then possibility she was related to him in some other way. I haven’t researched the Atkinson family in any detail so don’t know if there is a record that Thomas Atkin son had a daughter Frances or how Frances & Thomas may have been related. Maybe another researcher has looked at the Thomas Atkinson family for the answer. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 2:47 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ I’m making that assumption until there’s information to overturn it. I read the Kingwood Monthly Meeting records and didn’t see any other mention of Daniel’s marriage, but it was a quick read. The publication that I assume people got the July 10th 1758 date from reads something like thi s, “the first mention of marriage in the Monthly Meetings”. I think this apples to Andrew’s wedding date also. (Andrew, son of Job) I’ve read that the Robins Tavern Owner Daniel’s wife was possibly Frances Atkinson, because her father’s name, Thomas, appears on Daniel’s Will/Probate record. Thomas Atkinson was a Quaker, which can make one wonder wh y Daniel and Frances would marry “contrary to the Rules of Discipline”. “Fornication” before marriage seemed to occur occasionally, possibly this was the reason, an early pregnancy. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, I agree, it does appear that Daniel was already married at the July 10th 1758 date. Are we assuming the Daniel Robins mentioned in the Kingwood MM record was Daniel son of Job or are we certain of his identity? Is there any other record to support a marriage for this Daniel Robins before the July 10, 1 758 Kingwood MM record? Just curious as to what is fact & what is speculation. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ From Kingwood Monthly Meeting: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. July 10, 1758 is not a marriage date, but rather the date of the Monthly Meeting when Daniel’s marriage was discussed. I read this as meaning Daniel was already married. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@...m [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore when the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned proper ty in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crossw icks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boar ds. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Eliz abeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Are their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1497 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-02 10:18:53 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: Garry, Genealogy research has always been challenging to me. I think that’s what I most enjoy about it. It’s discovering accurate new information, verifying old theories with reliable sources, attempting to place the family pu zzles pieces in the correct place, etc. This is something the Robins, Robbins family researchers have done in the past. So pleased to see it continue with researchers like you & the other newer members here along with t he long time members. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:02 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ “Trying to separate”, sounds like a challenge. The Atkinson Family of New Jersey, pg. 84, says that Frances, daughter of Thomas Atkinson, was born 16 March, 1734. That might have been provided by Tracey. My organization is a little sloppy right now. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 12:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, Thanks. Trying to determine or separate what we know to be facts from what we assume for Daniel Robins mentioned in the 1758 Kingwood MM record. Agree it possible the wife of Daniel Robins Tavern owner was Frances Atkin son daughter of Thomas Atkinson. If not his daughter then possibility she was related to him in some other way. I haven’t researched the Atkinson family in any detail so don’t know if there is a record that Thomas Atkin son had a daughter Frances or how Frances & Thomas may have been related. Maybe another researcher has looked at the Thomas Atkinson family for the answer. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 2:47 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ I’m making that assumption until there’s information to overturn it. I read the Kingwood Monthly Meeting records and didn’t see any other mention of Daniel’s marriage, but it was a quick read. The publication that I assume people got the July 10th 1758 date from reads something like thi s, “the first mention of marriage in the Monthly Meetings”. I think this apples to Andrew’s wedding date also. (Andrew, son of Job) I’ve read that the Robins Tavern Owner Daniel’s wife was possibly Frances Atkinson, because her father’s name, Thomas, appears on Daniel’s Will/Probate record. Thomas Atkinson was a Quaker, which can make one wonder wh y Daniel and Frances would marry “contrary to the Rules of Discipline”. “Fornication” before marriage seemed to occur occasionally, possibly this was the reason, an early pregnancy. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, I agree, it does appear that Daniel was already married at the July 10th 1758 date. Are we assuming the Daniel Robins mentioned in the Kingwood MM record was Daniel son of Job or are we certain of his identity? Is there any other record to support a marriage for this Daniel Robins before the July 10, 1 758 Kingwood MM record? Just curious as to what is fact & what is speculation. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ From Kingwood Monthly Meeting: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. July 10, 1758 is not a marriage date, but rather the date of the Monthly Meeting when Daniel’s marriage was discussed. I read this as meaning Daniel was already married. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore wh en the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswic ks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – so ns (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed wa s not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizab eth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Ar e their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1498 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-02 10:26:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: Sara, In the Kingwood MM records I read, I did not see any other Robins/Robbins names other than what I listed earlier, which are names of Job, his wife Abigail, and some of his children. I realize the names, other than Job and Abigail could be from other families, but there aren’t other names. For example, I didn’t see a record of John, Job’s brother, asking to join the Kingwood Quakers. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 12:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, Thanks. Trying to determine or separate what we know to be facts from what we assume for Daniel Robins mentioned in the 1758 Kingwood MM record. Agree it possible the wife of Daniel Robins Tavern owner was Frances Atkin son daughter of Thomas Atkinson. If not his daughter then possibility she was related to him in some other way. I haven’t researched the Atkinson family in any detail so don’t know if there is a record that Thomas Atkin son had a daughter Frances or how Frances & Thomas may have been related. Maybe another researcher has looked at the Thomas Atkinson family for the answer. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 2:47 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ I’m making that assumption until there’s information to overturn it. I read the Kingwood Monthly Meeting records and didn’t see any other mention of Daniel’s marriage, but it was a quick read. The publication that I assume people got the July 10th 1758 date from reads something like thi s, “the first mention of marriage in the Monthly Meetings”. I think this apples to Andrew’s wedding date also. (Andrew, son of Job) I’ve read that the Robins Tavern Owner Daniel’s wife was possibly Frances Atkinson, because her father’s name, Thomas, appears on Daniel’s Will/Probate record. Thomas Atkinson was a Quaker, which can make one wonder wh y Daniel and Frances would marry “contrary to the Rules of Discipline”. “Fornication” before marriage seemed to occur occasionally, possibly this was the reason, an early pregnancy. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, I agree, it does appear that Daniel was already married at the July 10th 1758 date. Are we assuming the Daniel Robins mentioned in the Kingwood MM record was Daniel son of Job or are we certain of his identity? Is there any other record to support a marriage for this Daniel Robins before the July 10, 1 758 Kingwood MM record? Just curious as to what is fact & what is speculation. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ From Kingwood Monthly Meeting: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. July 10, 1758 is not a marriage date, but rather the date of the Monthly Meeting when Daniel’s marriage was discussed. I read this as meaning Daniel was already married. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@...m [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore when the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned proper ty in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crossw icks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boar ds. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Eliz abeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Are their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1499 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-02 10:32:00 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: Garry, That’s a good point & your observation makes sense on the Kingwood MM records & Robins names. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:26 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Sara, In the Kingwood MM records I read, I did not see any other Robins/Robbins names other than what I listed earlier, which are names of Job, his wife Abigail, and some of his children. I realize the names, other than Job and Abigail could be from other families, but there aren’t other names. For example, I didn’t see a record of John, Job’s brother, asking to join the Kingwood Quakers. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 12:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, Thanks. Trying to determine or separate what we know to be facts from what we assume for Daniel Robins mentioned in the 1758 Kingwood MM record. Agree it possible the wife of Daniel Robins Tavern owner was Frances Atkin son daughter of Thomas Atkinson. If not his daughter then possibility she was related to him in some other way. I haven’t researched the Atkinson family in any detail so don’t know if there is a record that Thomas Atkin son had a daughter Frances or how Frances & Thomas may have been related. Maybe another researcher has looked at the Thomas Atkinson family for the answer. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 2:47 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ I’m making that assumption until there’s information to overturn it. I read the Kingwood Monthly Meeting records and didn’t see any other mention of Daniel’s marriage, but it was a quick read. The publication that I assume people got the July 10th 1758 date from reads something like thi s, “the first mention of marriage in the Monthly Meetings”. I think this apples to Andrew’s wedding date also. (Andrew, son of Job) I’ve read that the Robins Tavern Owner Daniel’s wife was possibly Frances Atkinson, because her father’s name, Thomas, appears on Daniel’s Will/Probate record. Thomas Atkinson was a Quaker, which can make one wonder wh y Daniel and Frances would marry “contrary to the Rules of Discipline”. “Fornication” before marriage seemed to occur occasionally, possibly this was the reason, an early pregnancy. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, I agree, it does appear that Daniel was already married at the July 10th 1758 date. Are we assuming the Daniel Robins mentioned in the Kingwood MM record was Daniel son of Job or are we certain of his identity? Is there any other record to support a marriage for this Daniel Robins before the July 10, 1 758 Kingwood MM record? Just curious as to what is fact & what is speculation. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ From Kingwood Monthly Meeting: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. July 10, 1758 is not a marriage date, but rather the date of the Monthly Meeting when Daniel’s marriage was discussed. I read this as meaning Daniel was already married. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore wh en the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswic ks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – so ns (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed wa s not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizab eth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Ar e their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1500 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-02 10:33:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: Sara, Thanks. I realize there must be some members who have thought, “Oh no, not all this again”. I’ve learned a lot since I’ve joined the Robins/Robbins group. I’ve been impressed with the attitudes of the members who have been responding to the posts. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 1:18 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, Genealogy research has always been challenging to me. I think that’s what I most enjoy about it. It’s discovering accurate new information, verifying old theories with reliable sources, attempting to place the family pu zzles pieces in the correct place, etc. This is something the Robins, Robbins family researchers have done in the past. So pleased to see it continue with researchers like you & the other newer members here along with t he long time members. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:02 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ “Trying to separate”, sounds like a challenge. The Atkinson Family of New Jersey, pg. 84, says that Frances, daughter of Thomas Atkinson, was born 16 March, 1734. That might have been provided by Tracey. My organization is a little sloppy right now. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 12:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, Thanks. Trying to determine or separate what we know to be facts from what we assume for Daniel Robins mentioned in the 1758 Kingwood MM record. Agree it possible the wife of Daniel Robins Tavern owner was Frances Atkin son daughter of Thomas Atkinson. If not his daughter then possibility she was related to him in some other way. I haven’t researched the Atkinson family in any detail so don’t know if there is a record that Thomas Atkin son had a daughter Frances or how Frances & Thomas may have been related. Maybe another researcher has looked at the Thomas Atkinson family for the answer. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 2:47 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ I’m making that assumption until there’s information to overturn it. I read the Kingwood Monthly Meeting records and didn’t see any other mention of Daniel’s marriage, but it was a quick read. The publication that I assume people got the July 10th 1758 date from reads something like thi s, “the first mention of marriage in the Monthly Meetings”. I think this apples to Andrew’s wedding date also. (Andrew, son of Job) I’ve read that the Robins Tavern Owner Daniel’s wife was possibly Frances Atkinson, because her father’s name, Thomas, appears on Daniel’s Will/Probate record. Thomas Atkinson was a Quaker, which can make one wonder wh y Daniel and Frances would marry “contrary to the Rules of Discipline”. “Fornication” before marriage seemed to occur occasionally, possibly this was the reason, an early pregnancy. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, I agree, it does appear that Daniel was already married at the July 10th 1758 date. Are we assuming the Daniel Robins mentioned in the Kingwood MM record was Daniel son of Job or are we certain of his identity? Is there any other record to support a marriage for this Daniel Robins before the July 10, 1 758 Kingwood MM record? Just curious as to what is fact & what is speculation. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ From Kingwood Monthly Meeting: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. July 10, 1758 is not a marriage date, but rather the date of the Monthly Meeting when Daniel’s marriage was discussed. I read this as meaning Daniel was already married. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@aol.com cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore when the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned proper ty in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crossw icks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boar ds. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Eliz abeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Are their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1501 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-02 11:34:31 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins group forum history Message: Garry, There was a previous Robbins group before this one that I created. After a few years I decided to turn the responsibility for the forum site over to another member. I appreciated the fact that Todd Robbins was willing t o step up & assume management of the site. He renamed the group The Robbins Family Society. A few of the previous active members continued on with this group, others dropped out or are deceased. I don’t think any of the older members like Marshall, Tracey, Todd, Shirley & others would continue to post their research if they didn’t want past information repeated. However, I understand where you are coming from on reviewing old topics. From what I know we have more new members than old so review can be helpful. I like to be reminded of old topics because it enables me to revisit where my research stands today. New members can bring a new perspective & that is progress. Just as we had before, I believe we have a good group of members. I hope everyone will feel comfortable enough to ask questions & to offer their research. None of us have all the answers but we keep o n searching so sharing information is important. It has always been my hope from the beginning of this journey that the Daniel Robins, Robbins family history will continue long after I am gone. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:33 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Sara, Thanks. I realize there must be some members who have thought, “Oh no, not all this again”. I’ve learned a lot since I’ve joined the Robins/Robbins group. I’ve been impressed with the attitudes of the members who have been responding to the posts. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 1:18 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, Genealogy research has always been challenging to me. I think that’s what I most enjoy about it. It’s discovering accurate new information, verifying old theories with reliable sources, attempting to place the family pu zzles pieces in the correct place, etc. This is something the Robins, Robbins family researchers have done in the past. So pleased to see it continue with researchers like you & the other newer members here along with t he long time members. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:02 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ “Trying to separate”, sounds like a challenge. The Atkinson Family of New Jersey, pg. 84, says that Frances, daughter of Thomas Atkinson, was born 16 March, 1734. That might have been provided by Tracey. My organization is a little sloppy right now. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 12:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, Thanks. Trying to determine or separate what we know to be facts from what we assume for Daniel Robins mentioned in the 1758 Kingwood MM record. Agree it possible the wife of Daniel Robins Tavern owner was Frances Atkin son daughter of Thomas Atkinson. If not his daughter then possibility she was related to him in some other way. I haven’t researched the Atkinson family in any detail so don’t know if there is a record that Thomas Atkin son had a daughter Frances or how Frances & Thomas may have been related. Maybe another researcher has looked at the Thomas Atkinson family for the answer. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 2:47 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ I’m making that assumption until there’s information to overturn it. I read the Kingwood Monthly Meeting records and didn’t see any other mention of Daniel’s marriage, but it was a quick read. The publication that I assume people got the July 10th 1758 date from reads something like thi s, “the first mention of marriage in the Monthly Meetings”. I think this apples to Andrew’s wedding date also. (Andrew, son of Job) I’ve read that the Robins Tavern Owner Daniel’s wife was possibly Frances Atkinson, because her father’s name, Thomas, appears on Daniel’s Will/Probate record. Thomas Atkinson was a Quaker, which can make one wonder wh y Daniel and Frances would marry “contrary to the Rules of Discipline”. “Fornication” before marriage seemed to occur occasionally, possibly this was the reason, an early pregnancy. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, I agree, it does appear that Daniel was already married at the July 10th 1758 date. Are we assuming the Daniel Robins mentioned in the Kingwood MM record was Daniel son of Job or are we certain of his identity? Is there any other record to support a marriage for this Daniel Robins before the July 10, 1 758 Kingwood MM record? Just curious as to what is fact & what is speculation. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ From Kingwood Monthly Meeting: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. July 10, 1758 is not a marriage date, but rather the date of the Monthly Meeting when Daniel’s marriage was discussed. I read this as meaning Daniel was already married. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore wh en the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(Robins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswic ks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – so ns (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed wa s not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizab eth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Ar e their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1502 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-02 13:14:08 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Message: The Atkinson Family of New Jersey If anyone is interested in this family the book can be viewed at familysearch.org. From the Bible of Joseph Atkinson, the son of Thomas (printed in 1747) pg. 37. Thomas Atkinson b. 1703 married on Oct. 19, 1728 Hannah Doddridge daughter of Philip Doddridge of Woodbridge, NJ. The Bible names all their children, one is recorded as “Frances, born 1734, March 16”. The birthdate for Frances of 1734 is close to the birthdate we assume to be around 1736 for Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. There is nothing else in the book on Frances or who she married. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:33 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Sara, Thanks. I realize there must be some members who have thought, “Oh no, not all this again”. I’ve learned a lot since I’ve joined the Robins/Robbins group. I’ve been impressed with the attitudes of the members who have been responding to the posts. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 1:18 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, Genealogy research has always been challenging to me. I think that’s what I most enjoy about it. It’s discovering accurate new information, verifying old theories with reliable sources, attempting to place the family pu zzles pieces in the correct place, etc. This is something the Robins, Robbins family researchers have done in the past. So pleased to see it continue with researchers like you & the other newer members here along with t he long time members. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 10:02 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ “Trying to separate”, sounds like a challenge. The Atkinson Family of New Jersey, pg. 84, says that Frances, daughter of Thomas Atkinson, was born 16 March, 1734. That might have been provided by Tracey. My organization is a little sloppy right now. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 12:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, Thanks. Trying to determine or separate what we know to be facts from what we assume for Daniel Robins mentioned in the 1758 Kingwood MM record. Agree it possible the wife of Daniel Robins Tavern owner was Frances Atkin son daughter of Thomas Atkinson. If not his daughter then possibility she was related to him in some other way. I haven’t researched the Atkinson family in any detail so don’t know if there is a record that Thomas Atkin son had a daughter Frances or how Frances & Thomas may have been related. Maybe another researcher has looked at the Thomas Atkinson family for the answer. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 2:47 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ I’m making that assumption until there’s information to overturn it. I read the Kingwood Monthly Meeting records and didn’t see any other mention of Daniel’s marriage, but it was a quick read. The publication that I assume people got the July 10th 1758 date from reads something like thi s, “the first mention of marriage in the Monthly Meetings”. I think this apples to Andrew’s wedding date also. (Andrew, son of Job) I’ve read that the Robins Tavern Owner Daniel’s wife was possibly Frances Atkinson, because her father’s name, Thomas, appears on Daniel’s Will/Probate record. Thomas Atkinson was a Quaker, which can make one wonder wh y Daniel and Frances would marry “contrary to the Rules of Discipline”. “Fornication” before marriage seemed to occur occasionally, possibly this was the reason, an early pregnancy. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Garry, I agree, it does appear that Daniel was already married at the July 10th 1758 date. Are we assuming the Daniel Robins mentioned in the Kingwood MM record was Daniel son of Job or are we certain of his identity? Is there any other record to support a marriage for this Daniel Robins before the July 10, 1 758 Kingwood MM record? Just curious as to what is fact & what is speculation. Any thoughts? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 10:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ From Kingwood Monthly Meeting: At our Monthly Meeting held at Kingwood the 10th Day of the 7th Month 1758 At this meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn'd under his hand, his proceeding in Marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline, which was read & received as Satisfaction. July 10, 1758 is not a marriage date, but rather the date of the Monthly Meeting when Daniel’s marriage was discussed. I read this as meaning Daniel was already married. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Tracey, The abt. birth date of 1748 for Daniel Pearce aka Daniel Robins was based on the theory Daniel Pearce was the son of Daniel Robins III not Daniel Robins son of Job. It’s more likely Daniel Pearce was under the age of fi ve age in 1763 assuming the Kingwood MM records in 1758 for the marriage of Daniel Robins with wife unnamed was Daniel Robins son of Job. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Right. As for the Pearces... Check out this topic: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/340 And also the following comment in Marfy's article about Robins Hill, in which Curtis Pierce responded to a comment Sara made in the same article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/ Curtis L Pierce November 5, 2013 @ 3:46 pm Sara, I have been researching my family, Daniel Pearce, for about 13 years or so. I spent years researching the sons of Daniel Pearce trying to find the father, family, or any trace of the parents of Daniel Pearce. I know he was born in New Jersey because of the listing of a son. I know he died in his 85th year, because of another sons statement. He was alive in 1830 census and missing in the 1840 census leaving a wife and several sons in t he same county. So I have a good handle of his age and location of birth and death. The problem I ran into was lack of documentation. There isnt a Will or Family Bible. Nothing passed down with birth or death dates or m arriages. Very few courts records or biographies. So I tried a revolutionary angle. I requested DNA kits and visited the oldest male member on each Pierce line and submitted a sample. I think we have nine in all. Funny thing happened when the DNA was compared. The DNA for each member was almost exact on each Male Pearce donor. Proving that my paper work, on a very large Pearce group, was very accurate. But with a family so large why did we not match any other Pearce line in the Unite d States. I have found Pearce relatives in almost every state in the Union. But our line doesnt match any of the old Pearce lines. We arent even close and that never made any sense. We always thought Captain James Pearc e was a brother or cousin. But the DNA markers didnt show kinship even though they were always in the same vacinity. About a year ago, I was contacted by a Robins relative and she asked me to compare the DNA from each family. It was simply astounding how close the markers were when compared. I had searched so long for Pearces and find out we could actually descend from the Robins. It was almost too much to comprehend. I even went into denial for a little while and took some time off from the research. But after stepping back from the family and looking at the DNA. The story told of John Pearce and Frances Robins really makes a lot of sense. The information found on Daniel Pearce is a close match and really could be t he lost Daniel Robins, adopted by John Pearce. Please keep me in the loop. I am ready to face my Robins……….lol Curtis Pierce clpierce212@... cell# 678-907-8701 The one piece that is questionable in the Pierces understanding of their Daniel Pearce was that some say he was born in 1748 or before 1758. That seems much too early. Birth dates can often be inaccurate. Maybe it is here too? Tracey On 7/1/2017 7:14 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Already a correction. I’ve just read that the Robins Tavern was on the 60 acres of land that was purchased in 1760. Daniel should have been well-to-do, but I’ve also read he ran into financial debt. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:01 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ Wow, a lot to think about. I now understand the Two Taverns at Robins Hill article. The Robins Tavern was on the 200 acres of land that Daniel, son of Job, acquired in 1756. Daniel’s widow, Frances, had married John Pierce by 1764, therefore wh en the 220 acres of land was sold it would have been a Pierce sale. Daniel, Tavern Owner, drinking himself to death in 1763 makes sense. Please tell me more about John and Frances Pierce/Pearce. Thanks, Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 6:42 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins Amwell, Hunterdon, NJ [2 Attachments] Hi Garry, You are doing a great job piecing all of these parts together! Keep it up! I gave you my opinions about these Daniels in the Job Robins 1756 thread. But I'll repeat them here: I believe the two Daniels in these groupings are the same man: Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? (I don't have anything more specifically about this property. I'd have to re-read Marfy's article to see what she says.) Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? This property was confiscated by the sheriff to be sold after Daniel died in 1763. At the time of his death Daniel owed a LOT of people a LOT of money. I've attached 2 of the records that specifically talk about the Kitchen property, the Daniel who died in 1763, and his widow Frances--tying them all together. Frances and Daniel have MANY court records as shown in the Hunterdon Misc. court index I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/Robbins(R obins)HunterdonNJMiscCourtRecords.pdf In fact, you might want to look at all the records I posted at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Misc_Court/ However I do not have copies of ALL of the Daniel and Frances records. There were just too many for me to order and copy. Most of the records I posted at that URL, relate to the Daniel who died in 1763. (However, the CharlesMcConnellCase and DanielRobertsVsJoshuaRobins do not!) As for this bit where you state: "If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. " I believe this is NOT correct. But you are right that it is a common belief. As for why I don't beIieve it: I have never seen a single record that indicates that the Daniel born 1692 was ever a Quaker who was associated with the Kingwood (Hunterdon) Monthly Meeting or that he ever owned property in the Amwell area of Hunterdon. The records for the Daniel b. 1692 indicate that he lived in Monmouth Co. The records I have for the Daniel b. 1692 are in 1739, 1745, and 1748--all in Monmouth. Those records are: 1739 Witness to will in Monmouth Co. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswic ks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix’s husband was bound for [page 283] (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children – Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors – so ns (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses – John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. 1745--marriage of his daughter Hannah in Monmouth Co.: New Jersey marriage records: -- # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] 1748-- Monmouth deed referenced in Sara's book: Per Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, 3-Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed wa s not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizab eth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... I believe there was speculation that because this deed was not recorded until 1763 and the Daniel of Hunterdon died in 1763, it meant they were the same Daniel. I believe the dates to be coincidental. It would be worthwhile to try to figure out what happened to this Monmouth property of William Hutchinson's in or after 1763. Tracey On 6/30/2017 9:29 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been looking at the Land Deeds in the Robins/Robbins Family of New Jersey book. Daniel Robins, son of John (died 1777) - 1761 - 152 acres from his father - 1772 - sold 152 acres Daniel Robins, son of Job (died 1756) - 1756 - 200 acres from his father - 1760 - resurveyed as 220 acres - purchased the additional 20 acres When and to whom was this land sold? Daniel Robins, ? - 1760 - purchased 10 + 50 acres from Samuel & Mary Kitchen Which Daniel is this? When and to whom was this land sold? The Two Taverns at Robins Hill article is confusing. It suggests Daniel, son of Job, owned the Tavern, was married to Frances and died in 1763. If I've got it right, Daniel, the Tavern owner, was Daniel born 1692. Ar e their records available for the Tavern land? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1503 Sender:Hello Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-07-03 17:41:23 Subject: Message: I am a bit confused and wonder if i misunderstood I thought I read that a Sincy/Cincy Robbins came from Ireland with 7 sons in the early 1700's Did this in fact happen or have I confused it with Daniel Robins/Hope Potter and his 7 sons. Thank you having this forum when so much can be discovered barbara -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1504 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-07-03 22:43:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } You aren't confused. However there is some question about the Sincy/Cincy Robbins account as there is no record as of yet that Sincy existed. So you will read in this forum sometimes from people who have different theories. Some stick to the Sincy/ Ireland account while others doubt his existence and everything in between. It's interesting. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, July 3, 2017, 7:41 PM, Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I am a bit confused and wonder if i misunderstood I thought I read that a Sincy/Cincy Robbins came from Ireland with 7 sons in the early 1700's Did this in fact happen or have I confused it with Daniel Robins/Hope Potter and his 7 sons. 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It is actually comes from a report on the descendants of John Porter. I gather this person thinks the middle names of the Samuel Robbins is an S. The documentation is pretty light, no mention of Ireland. You know m ore more about this than I do but John came from England as 1st gen, then son John and then Samuel 1 then Samuel 2 where the date of born in 1719 would kind of match. I was just surprised to see any documentation. The a ctual S does not appear until a Samuel who would be to young. My eyes can barely stay open. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1506 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-04 11:43:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Message: Barbara, Kathleen described the situation well. So far, the Sincy/Cincy Robins story reminds me of what usually happens when information is verbally passed from one person to the next, what you end up with is not what you started with. If you can figure this one out you’ll have my admiration. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 1:43 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] You aren't confused. However there is some question about the Sincy/Cincy Robbins account as there is no record as of yet that Sincy existed. So you will read in this forum sometimes from people who have different theor ies. Some stick to the Sincy/ Ireland account while others doubt his existence and everything in between. It's interesting. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, July 3, 2017, 7:41 PM, Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I am a bit confused and wonder if i misunderstood I thought I read that a Sincy/Cincy Robbins came from Ireland with 7 sons in the early 1700's Did this in fact happen or have I confused it with Daniel Robins/Hope Potter and his 7 sons. Thank you having this forum when so much can be discovered barbara -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1507 Sender:Hello Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-07-04 13:36:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Message: Hi Kathleen Thank you for your quick reply, (You must be a nite owl) Daniel and Hope had seven sons. I wonder of facts become confused with myths. Seven sons is a lot of sons and if there was a "Cincy" with seven sons, I am sure there would be some source. And thank you Gerry for confirming. At last I can stop eliminating. (smile) I a very fortunate to be on a site in which there is so much detailed source and people with so much experience Thank You Barbara On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 11:43 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Barbara, > > Kathleen described the situation well. > > So far, the Sincy/Cincy Robins story reminds me of what usually happens > when information is verbally passed from one person to the next, what you > end up with is not what you started with. > > If you can figure this one out you’ll have my admiration. > > Garry > > *From:* Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 4, 2017 1:43 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] > > > > You aren't confused. However there is some question about the Sincy/Cincy > Robbins account as there is no record as of yet that Sincy existed. So you > will read in this forum sometimes from people who have different theories. > Some stick to the Sincy/ Ireland account while others doubt his existence > and everything in between. It's interesting. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > > On Monday, July 3, 2017, 7:41 PM, Hello Mclean mclean811@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > I am a bit confused and wonder if i misunderstood > > I thought I read that a Sincy/Cincy Robbins came from Ireland with 7 sons > in the early 1700's > > Did this in fact happen or have I confused it with Daniel Robins/Hope > Potter and his 7 sons. > > Thank you having this forum when so much can be discovered > > barbara > -- > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1508 Sender:Robert Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-07-04 14:42:51 Subject:DNA Tests Message: Hi, My name is Robert Scott Robbins and I'm new to the group. I'm a descendant of three Robbins brothers who came to Connellsville, Pa. around 1790 from the New Jersey area. I'm trying to find out if there is way thoug h DNA if I and the three brothers descend from Daniel and Hope Robbins. Any information anyone could provide would greatly be appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1509 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-04 15:17:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Tests Message: Robert, Wow, Daniel Robbins 1627-1714 married Hope Potter/Robbins 1641- 1687 is listed as my 7th great grandfather. That data came from "Robins Robbins of New Jersey" , by Sarah Robbins Hoffman and John W Taylor Jr. Would be happy to share my tree as my relatives are from Connellsville too. Jack Regar 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA were done. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: Robbins Family Society Sent: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 5:43 pm Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Tests Hi, My name is Robert Scott Robbins and I'm new to the group. I'm a descendant of three Robbins brothers who came to Connellsville, Pa. around 1790 from the New Jersey area. I'm trying to find out if there is way thou gh DNA if I and the three brothers descend from Daniel and Hope Robbins. Any information anyone could provide would greatly be appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1510 Sender:cgilleece@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-04 15:39:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Tests Message: Dear Robert Scott Robbins. You need to submit your DNA to familytreedna.com. Do a Y-DNA Test there and join the Robbins project. There you will find other males who share your surname and DNA. Y-DNA is passed from fathe rs along with their surname to their male children. You will be placed with others in the project into a family group. That will tell you if you are related to Daniel and Hope. Caroline Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2017, at 6:17 PM, jregar@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Robert, > > Wow, Daniel Robbins 1627-1714 married Hope Potter/Robbins 1641- 1687 is listed as my 7th great grandfather. > > That data came from "Robins Robbins of New Jersey" , by Sarah Robbins Hoffman and John W Taylor Jr. > > Would be happy to share my tree as my relatives are from Connellsville too. > > Jack Regar > 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA were done. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > To: Robbins Family Society > Sent: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 5:43 pm > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Tests > > > Hi, My name is Robert Scott Robbins and I'm new to the group. I'm a descendant of three Robbins brothers who came to Connellsville, Pa. around 1790 from the New Jersey area. I'm trying to find out if there is way thou gh DNA if I and the three brothers descend from Daniel and Hope Robbins. Any information anyone could provide would greatly be appreciated. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1511 Sender:Robert Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-07-04 15:53:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Tests Message: Thank you Caroline. Looking forward to sharing the results On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 6:39 PM, "cgilleece@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Dear Robert Scott Robbins. You need to submit your DNA to familytreedna.com. Do a Y-DNA Test there and join the Robbins project. There you will find other males who share your surname and DNA. Y-DNA is passed from fathers along with their surname to their male children. You will be placed with others in the project into a family group. That will tell you if you are related to Daniel and Hope. Caroline Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2017, at 6:17 PM, jregar@aol.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Robert, Wow, Daniel Robbins 1627-1714 married Hope Potter/Robbins 1641- 1687 is listed as my 7th great grandfather. That data came from "Robins Robbins of New Jersey" , by Sarah Robbins Hoffman and John W Taylor Jr. Would be happy to share my tree as my relatives are from Connellsville too. Jack Regar23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA were done. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: Robbins Family Society Sent: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 5:43 pm Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Tests Hi, My name is Robert Scott Robbins and I'm new to the group. I'm a descendant of three Robbins brothers who came to Connellsville, Pa. around 1790 from the New Jersey area. I'm trying to find out if there is way t hough DNA if I and the three brothers descend from Daniel and Hope Robbins. 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My family showed up in Sunbury, Northumberland County, Pennsylvania, way to the East of Connellsville in the 1770s and I do have a good Y-DNA connection to Daniel Robins (1627-1714) of New Jersey. It looks like Sunbury was a major junction of migration paths, including one from New Jersey to Western Pennsylvania and beyond. I did the FamilyTreeDNA (FTDNA) Y-DNA 67 test, which pretty clearly shows the Daniel Robins family connection. Do at least a Y-DNA 37 test and if you are related it should show on the test results. I have since upgraded to 111 markers and also done the Big Y test (currently in process with YFull.com for analysis). If none of that makes sense don't worry since I have been doing this for about 6 months now and am just starting to get a handle on it. Just be sure to start with the 37 marker test or greater - beyond that depends on what you can afford since the tests do get expensive. Once you have test results a lot of help is available through the various projects, including the Robbins surname project. I have received a lot of great advice and information from project admins and members. My big ch allenge now is finding a paper trail to fill in a few missing generations, but at least I know where I am trying to connect to now. ⁣Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD​ On Jul 4, 2017, 5:43 PM, at 5:43 PM, "Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: >Hi, My name is Robert Scott Robbins and I'm new to the group. I'm a >descendant of three Robbins brothers who came to Connellsville, Pa. >around 1790 from the New Jersey area. I'm trying to find out if there >is way though DNA if I and the three brothers descend from Daniel and >Hope Robbins. Any information anyone could provide would greatly be >appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1513 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-05 07:27:44 Subject:DNA Message: I have the 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA results, how do I enter the results into the Robbins Family site? Jack ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1514 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-07-05 20:25:13 Subject:Re: DNA Message: Unfortunately, you can't. You can upload to FTDNA, and you can join the project, but there's not a way for your 23 and me or Ancestry autosomal results to be put into any Y-DNA charts that the project has. In your FTDNA results that you can get it Family Finder, you can do surname searches on the results page, searching for Robbins matches. I have had some success with that strategy. Where are your Robbins connections? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1515 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-07-05 22:25:40 Subject:Daniel ROBINS, d 1855 Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Can anyone place this ROBINS ? ... Daniel ROBINS, will written 9 May 1855, filed 12 Jun 1855 Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ; executor Jonathan ROBINS (of Hunterdon Co, NJ); children: Jonathan, Isaac, Daniel, Mary, Amelia (wife of William F FISHER), John W, Annilene ? (wife of Lewis C WINTERS), Elizabeth (wife of Charles PETTY); witnesses: H HUGHES & J C STEWART. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1516 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-06 03:04:27 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA Message: That sounds like a very sad situation. Maybe I don’t understand “autosomal results”. I’m thinking of the values given for the markers in the Y-DNA test, numbers that can inserted in a database. Garry From: Richard Robbins rer.480@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:25 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA Unfortunately, you can't. You can upload to FTDNA, and you can join the project, but there's not a way for your 23 and me or Ancestry autosomal results to be put into any Y-DNA charts that the project has. In your FTDNA results that you can get it Family Finder, you can do surname searches on the results page, searching for Robbins matches. I have had some success with that strategy. Where are your Robbins connections? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1517 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-06 03:41:22 Subject:William Robins (1761-1837) Message: I saw William listed in the Robins/Robbins DNA section: William Robins 1761-1837 NJ, PA, OH Where does he fit in to the family? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1518 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-06 04:15:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA Message: Thanks for the DNA update, to bad the 23 and Me or Ancestry.com results aren't compatible to project. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Richard Robbins rer.480@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Wed, Jul 5, 2017 11:33 pm Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA Unfortunately, you can't. You can upload to FTDNA, and you can join the project, but there's not a way for your 23 and me or Ancestry autosomal results to be put into any Y-DNA charts that the project has. In your FTDNA results that you can get it Family Finder, you can do surname searches on the results page, searching for Robbins matches. I have had some success with that strategy. Where are your Robbins connections? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1519 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-07-06 10:42:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Tests Message: Hi, do we have two Job Robbins, I see a Job Robbins in the 1800 census of the town of Willkill Orange co NY and a will , probated 12/10/1814? Shirley Sent from my iPad > On Jul 4, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Hi, My name is Robert Scott Robbins and I'm new to the group. I'm a descendant of three Robbins brothers who came to Connellsville, Pa. around 1790 from the New Jersey area. I'm trying to find out if there is way thou gh DNA if I and the three brothers descend from Daniel and Hope Robbins. Any information anyone could provide would greatly be appreciated. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1520 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-07-06 19:37:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: Surname projects (like the Robbins Project) are based upon Y-DNA test results. ancestry.com used to offer a Y-DNA test but discontinued it in 2014. If your ancestry.com test results are Y-DNA I believe you can transfer them to ftdna.com upon joining a surname project at ftdna.com (or at least a user *used* to be able to do that). If your test results are atDNA/auDNA then uploading them to gedmatch.com may help you find ROBINS/ROBBINS cousins there. > I have the 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA results, how do I enter the > results into the Robbins Family site? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1521 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-07 03:51:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: Thanks Marshall, I'll look at the 23 and Me for the DNA "Y"'s the look at ftdna.com Jack -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Sent: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 10:45 pm Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Surname projects (like the Robbins Project) are based upon Y-DNA test results. ancestry.com used to offer a Y-DNA test but discontinued it in 2014. If your ancestry.com test results are Y-DNA I believe you can transfer them to ftdna.com upon joining a surname project at ftdna.com (or at least a user *used* to be able to do that). If your test results are atDNA/auDNA then uploading them to gedmatch.com may help you find ROBINS/ROBBINS cousins there. > I have the 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA results, how do I enter the > results into the Robbins Family site? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1522 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-07 05:53:49 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: OK, which DNA test should I take to merge with the Robins/Robbins Society? -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Sent: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 10:45 pm Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Surname projects (like the Robbins Project) are based upon Y-DNA test results. ancestry.com used to offer a Y-DNA test but discontinued it in 2014. If your ancestry.com test results are Y-DNA I believe you can transfer them to ftdna.com upon joining a surname project at ftdna.com (or at least a user *used* to be able to do that). If your test results are atDNA/auDNA then uploading them to gedmatch.com may help you find ROBINS/ROBBINS cousins there. > I have the 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA results, how do I enter the > results into the Robbins Family site? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1523 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-07-07 08:56:09 Subject:Re: DNA Message: It's not sad, just a choice of DNA tests in relation to group results. To compare autosomal results and post them in a chart as YDNA STR markers are displayed is impossible. Autosomal use SNP vs STR, and cannot be used to track back a male lineage outside of a match in Family Finder and a genealogy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1524 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-07 10:20:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA Message: Richard, I guess it’s only sad for me. Garry From: Richard Robbins rer.480@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 11:56 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA It's not sad, just a choice of DNA tests in relation to group results. To compare autosomal results and post them in a chart as YDNA STR markers are displayed is impossible. Autosomal use SNP vs STR, and cannot be used to track back a male lineage outside of a match in Family Finder and a genealogy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1525 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-07-07 19:02:36 Subject:Re: DNA Message: So, do you have a male Robbins or Robins that can take a Y dna test from FTDNA? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1526 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-07-07 19:15:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: You should take a Y-DNA test. It would probably be preferable to take the Y-DNA test directly with ftdna (I don't even know if Y-DNA tests are offered anywhere except ftdna). You should test at least 37 markers for the results to be more meaningful (but testing even more markers is even better). > OK, which DNA test should I take to merge with the Robins/Robbins Society? >> Surname projects (like the Robbins Project) are based upon Y-DNA test >> results. ancestry.com used to offer a Y-DNA test but discontinued it in >> 2014. If your ancestry.com test results are Y-DNA I believe you can >> transfer them to ftdna.com upon joining a surname project at ftdna.com >> (or at least a user *used* to be able to do that). >> >> If your test results are atDNA/auDNA then uploading them to gedmatch.com >> may help you find ROBINS/ROBBINS cousins there. >>> I have the 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA results, how do I enter the >>> results into the Robbins Family site? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1527 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-08 03:06:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA Message: Richard, I wish I did. I’m a descendant of Joshua Robbins born 1777 and one of his daughters. Garry From: Richard Robbins rer.480@...m [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 10:02 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA So, do you have a male Robbins or Robins that can take a Y dna test from FTDNA? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1528 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-08 04:29:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA Message: lf your talking to "Jack" I have a Stephen Robbins 1808-1881 from the Connellsville, Fayette Co., PA area who was married to Elizabeth "Eliza" Stillwagon who are my 3rd great grandfather/grandmother. I have the 23 and me and the Ancestry.com DNA results. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Robbins rer.480@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 10:02 pm Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA So, do you have a male Robbins or Robins that can take a Y dna test from FTDNA? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1529 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-08 04:35:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: Great, my Ancestry.com DNA was done in 2012. Any idea where the raw DNA data is hidden in Ancestry.com? Jack -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 10:18 pm Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA You should take a Y-DNA test. It would probably be preferable to take the Y-DNA test directly with ftdna (I don't even know if Y-DNA tests are offered anywhere except ftdna). You should test at least 37 markers for the results to be more meaningful (but testing even more markers is even better). > OK, which DNA test should I take to merge with the Robins/Robbins Society? >> Surname projects (like the Robbins Project) are based upon Y-DNA test >> results. ancestry.com used to offer a Y-DNA test but discontinued it in >> 2014. If your ancestry.com test results are Y-DNA I believe you can >> transfer them to ftdna.com upon joining a surname project at ftdna.com >> (or at least a user *used* to be able to do that). >> >> If your test results are atDNA/auDNA then uploading them to gedmatch.com >> may help you find ROBINS/ROBBINS cousins there. >>> I have the 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA results, how do I enter the >>> results into the Robbins Family site? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1530 Sender:Bob Robins Post Date/Time:2017-07-08 05:03:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: They don't make it obvious - you can find out how a few levels down in their help system. This is the link for the page I found. https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/ka215000000U0ER/Downloading-Raw-DNA-Data-1460089696533 ⁣Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD​ On Jul 8, 2017, 7:36 AM, at 7:36 AM, "jregar@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > >Great, my Ancestry.com DNA was done in 2012. > > Any idea where the raw DNA data is hidden in Ancestry.com? > >Jack > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > >To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > >Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 10:18 pm >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA > > > > > > > >You should take a Y-DNA test. It would probably be preferable to take >the >Y-DNA test directly with ftdna (I don't even know if Y-DNA tests are >offered anywhere except ftdna). > >You should test at least 37 markers for the results to be more >meaningful >(but testing even more markers is even better). > >> OK, which DNA test should I take to merge with the Robins/Robbins >Society? > >>> Surname projects (like the Robbins Project) are based upon Y-DNA >test >>> results. ancestry.com used to offer a Y-DNA test but discontinued >it in >>> 2014. If your ancestry.com test results are Y-DNA I believe you can > >>> transfer them to ftdna.com upon joining a surname project at >ftdna.com >>> (or at least a user *used* to be able to do that). >>> >>> If your test results are atDNA/auDNA then uploading them to >gedmatch.com >>> may help you find ROBINS/ROBBINS cousins there. > >>>> I have the 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA results, how do I enter >the >>>> results into the Robbins Family site? > >-- >Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1531 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-08 05:44:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: Thanks Bob, It looks a lot alike my 23 and me results with columns labeled: "rsid" "chromosome" "position" "allele1" "allele2". What data am I looking for when I join the ftdna.cm? Jack -----Original Message----- From: Bob Robins bob@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 8:04 am Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA They don't make it obvious - you can find out how a few levels down in their help system. This is the link for the page I found. https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/ka215000000U0ER/Downloading-Raw-DNA-Data-1460089696533 Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD On Jul 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, "jregar@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Great, my Ancestry.com DNA was done in 2012. Any idea where the raw DNA data is hidden in Ancestry.com? Jack -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 10:18 pm Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA You should take a Y-DNA test. It would probably be preferable to take the Y-DNA test directly with ftdna (I don't even know if Y-DNA tests are offered anywhere except ftdna). You should test at least 37 markers for the results to be more meaningful (but testing even more markers is even better). > OK, which DNA test should I take to merge with the Robins/Robbins Society? >> Surname projects (like the Robbins Project) are based upon Y-DNA test >> results. ancestry.com used to offer a Y-DNA test but discontinued it in >> 2014. If your ancestry.com test results are Y-DNA I believe you can >> transfer them to ftdna.com upon joining a surname project at ftdna.com >> (or at least a user *used* to be able to do that). >> >> If your test results are atDNA/auDNA then uploading them to gedmatch.com >> may help you find ROBINS/ROBBINS cousins there. >>> I have the 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA results, how do I enter the >>> results into the Robbins Family site? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1532 Sender:Bob Robins Post Date/Time:2017-07-08 06:11:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: The raw data downloads are for uploading to other sites like FamilyTreeDNA.com, gedmatch.com, etc. While you can examine the contents you probably won't learn anything. Leave the file zipped and just upload it to the si te following their instructions. The Ancestry and 23andMe DNA tests are autosomal DNA and are different than the Y-DNA tests people have mentioned below. Y DNA is only from your paternal line (your father, father's fath er, etc.) while autosomal DNA is a mix of all your ancestors. ⁣Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD​ On Jul 8, 2017, 8:44 AM, at 8:44 AM, "jregar@...m [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > >Thanks Bob, > >It looks a lot alike my 23 and me results with columns labeled: "rsid" > "chromosome" "position" "allele1" "allele2". > >What data am I looking for when I join the ftdna.cm? > >Jack > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Robins bob@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > >To: robbinsfamilysociety >Sent: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 8:04 am >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA > > > > > > > >They don't make it obvious - you can find out how a few levels down in >their help system. This is the link for the page I found. > >https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/ka215000000U0ER/Downloading-Raw-DNA-Data-1460089696533 > > >Bob Robins > >Silver Spring, MD >On Jul 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, "jregar@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > wrote: > > > >Great, my Ancestry.com DNA was done in 2012. > > Any idea where the raw DNA data is hidden in Ancestry.com? > >Jack > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > >To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > >Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 10:18 pm >Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA > > > > > > > >You should take a Y-DNA test. It would probably be preferable to take >the >Y-DNA test directly with ftdna (I don't even know if Y-DNA tests are >offered anywhere except ftdna). > >You should test at least 37 markers for the results to be more >meaningful >(but testing even more markers is even better). > >> OK, which DNA test should I take to merge with the Robins/Robbins >Society? > >>> Surname projects (like the Robbins Project) are based upon Y-DNA >test >>> results. ancestry.com used to offer a Y-DNA test but discontinued >it in >>> 2014. If your ancestry.com test results are Y-DNA I believe you can > >>> transfer them to ftdna.com upon joining a surname project at >ftdna.com >>> (or at least a user *used* to be able to do that). >>> >>> If your test results are atDNA/auDNA then uploading them to >gedmatch.com >>> may help you find ROBINS/ROBBINS cousins there. > >>>> I have the 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA results, how do I enter >the >>>> results into the Robbins Family site? > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1533 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-08 08:15:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: Thanks again Bob, will let you know what happens. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Robins bob@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 9:11 am Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA The raw data downloads are for uploading to other sites like FamilyTreeDNA.com, gedmatch.com, etc. While you can examine the contents you probably won't learn anything. Leave the file zipped and just upload it to the si te following their instructions. The Ancestry and 23andMe DNA tests are autosomal DNA and are different than the Y-DNA tests people have mentioned below. Y DNA is only from your paternal line (your father, father's fath er, etc.) while autosomal DNA is a mix of all your ancestors. Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD On Jul 8, 2017, at 8:44 AM, "jregar@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Thanks Bob, It looks a lot alike my 23 and me results with columns labeled: "rsid" "chromosome" "position" "allele1" "allele2". What data am I looking for when I join the ftdna.cm? Jack -----Original Message----- From: Bob Robins bob@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 8:04 am Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA They don't make it obvious - you can find out how a few levels down in their help system. This is the link for the page I found. https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/ka215000000U0ER/Downloading-Raw-DNA-Data-1460089696533 Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD On Jul 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, " jregar@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Great, my Ancestry.com DNA was done in 2012. Any idea where the raw DNA data is hidden in Ancestry.com? Jack -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 10:18 pm Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA You should take a Y-DNA test. It would probably be preferable to take the Y-DNA test directly with ftdna (I don't even know if Y-DNA tests are offered anywhere except ftdna). You should test at least 37 markers for the results to be more meaningful (but testing even more markers is even better). > OK, which DNA test should I take to merge with the Robins/Robbins Society? >> Surname projects (like the Robbins Project) are based upon Y-DNA test >> results. ancestry.com used to offer a Y-DNA test but discontinued it in >> 2014. If your ancestry.com test results are Y-DNA I believe you can >> transfer them to ftdna.com upon joining a surname project at ftdna.com >> (or at least a user *used* to be able to do that). >> >> If your test results are atDNA/auDNA then uploading them to gedmatch.com >> may help you find ROBINS/ROBBINS cousins there. >>> I have the 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA results, how do I enter the >>> results into the Robbins Family site? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1534 Sender:cgilleece@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-08 09:54:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: We should also mention that it is FREE to make an account at familytreedna.com to transfer you Ancestry results. Instruction on the site. You could find extra cousins on the family finder results. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Bob Robins bob@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > The raw data downloads are for uploading to other sites like FamilyTreeDNA.com, gedmatch.com, etc. While you can examine the contents you probably won't learn anything. Leave the file zipped and just upload it to the site following their instructions. The Ancestry and 23andMe DNA tests are autosomal DNA and are different than the Y-DNA tests people have mentioned below. Y DNA is only from your paternal line (your father, father's fa ther, etc.) while autosomal DNA is a mix of all your ancestors. > > Bob Robins > Silver Spring, MD >> On Jul 8, 2017, at 8:44 AM, "jregar@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: >> >> >> Thanks Bob, >> >> It looks a lot alike my 23 and me results with columns labeled: "rsid" "chromosome" "position" "allele1" "allele2". >> >> What data am I looking for when I join the ftdna.cm? >> >> Jack >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Robins bob@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> To: robbinsfamilysociety >> Sent: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 8:04 am >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA >> >> >> They don't make it obvious - you can find out how a few levels down in their help system. This is the link for the page I found. >> https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/ka215000000U0ER/Downloading-Raw-DNA-Data-1460089696533 >> >> Bob Robins >> Silver Spring, MD >> On Jul 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, " jregar@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> Great, my Ancestry.com DNA was done in 2012. >> >> Any idea where the raw DNA data is hidden in Ancestry.com? >> >> Jack >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> >> To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List < robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 10:18 pm >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA >> >> >> >> You should take a Y-DNA test. It would probably be preferable to take the >> Y-DNA test directly with ftdna (I don't even know if Y-DNA tests are >> offered anywhere except ftdna). >> >> You should test at least 37 markers for the results to be more meaningful >> (but testing even more markers is even better). >> >> > OK, which DNA test should I take to merge with the Robins/Robbins Society? >> >> >> Surname projects (like the Robbins Project) are based upon Y-DNA test >> >> results. ancestry.com used to offer a Y-DNA test but discontinued it in >> >> 2014. If your ancestry.com test results are Y-DNA I believe you can >> >> transfer them to ftdna.com upon joining a surname project at ftdna.com >> >> (or at least a user *used* to be able to do that). >> >> >> >> If your test results are atDNA/auDNA then uploading them to gedmatch.com >> >> may help you find ROBINS/ROBBINS cousins there. >> >> >>> I have the 23 and Me and Ancestry.com DNA results, how do I enter the >> >>> results into the Robbins Family site? >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1535 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-07-08 12:49:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I have reached out to a cousin today, one of the onl y ones I have met and asked her if she would like to help me. She is closer to the ancestral home in Nebraska other wise I am working on it today also. We are part of the Sincy Robbins gang. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, July 7, 2017, 9:02 PM, Richard Robbins rer.480@... 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It appears to me he doesn’t belong on the Daniel Robins tree. I don’t know th e name of the father of Phillip Robins of Westford, MA Source: Sons of the American Rev. Application. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 10:43 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Tests Hi, do we have two Job Robbins, I see a Job Robbins in the 1800 census of the town of Willkill Orange co NY and a will , probated 12/10/1814? Shirley Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Hi, My name is Robert Scott Robbins and I'm new to the group. I'm a descendant of three Robbins brothers who came to Connellsville, Pa. around 1790 from the New Jersey area. I'm trying to find out if there is way though DNA if I and the three brothers descend from Daniel and Hope Robbins. Any information anyone could provide would greatly be appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1537 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-07-08 16:38:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Tests Message: Sara, thank you for your information, another dead end for me. As you know we are from Daniel from our DNA. My male Robbins relatives have passed on and that is the end of our line now. I can't seem to pin our Peter Robbins to anyone. I got your book out and have been reading through it again trying to find a clue. I think my family moved between the NY/PA border but when they moved to Wi their mother had remarried a Mason Grover according to census reports and their sisters marriage certificate . Thank you for reading my struggles again. Shirley Sent from my iPad > On Jul 8, 2017, at 5:45 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Shirley, > > Job Robins b. abt. 1758 in NY & died 1815 in Wallkill, Orange Co., NY was the great-grandson of Phillip & Anna Minot Robins of Westford, MA. It appears to me he doesn’t belong on the Daniel Robins tree. I don’t know the name of the father of Phillip Robins of Westford, MA > > Source: Sons of the American Rev. Application. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 10:43 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Tests > > > > > > Hi, do we have two Job Robbins, I see a Job Robbins in the 1800 census of the town of Willkill Orange co NY and a will , probated 12/10/1814? Shirley > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jul 4, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Hi, My name is Robert Scott Robbins and I'm new to the group. I'm a descendant of three Robbins brothers who came to Connellsville, Pa. around 1790 from the New Jersey area. I'm trying to find out if there is way thou gh DNA if I and the three brothers descend from Daniel and Hope Robbins. Any information anyone could provide would greatly be appreciated. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1538 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-09 04:45:12 Subject:Isaac Robbins born 1758 Message: Isaac lived in Knowlton Twp, Warren/Sussex County, NJ. According to his pension records, he moved to Columbia County, PA, by 1836, where he lived with a son. I have assumed that the son was John Jersey who moved to Columbia/Lycoming County in the 1830's, but I've just found another possibility. Jesse Robbins died Oct. 22, 1838, in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, aged about 35 years. Jesse was living in Greenwood Twp. by 1830. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1539 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-07-09 18:57:23 Subject:Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Does anyone know the identity of Jonathan ROBBINS named here ? ... Deed, dated 17 Dec 1853 acknowledgment in Warren Co, NJ 1 Feb 1854 recorded in Warren Co, NJ 26 Feb 1869 recorded in Hunterdon Co, NJ 28 Sep 1870 grantor - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ grantee - Spencer C SWICK of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ consideration - $285 Lot #2, 44 21/100 acres in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ surveyed by Robert S KENNEDY 14 Feb 1835 part of a tract set off to Samuel Stewart by Commissioners appointed by Orphan's Court, Hunterdon Co, NJ as Lot #11 lying near Robert Johnson in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1540 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-09 21:44:32 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Marshall, The only Jonathan Robins I know who was living in Greenwich Township, Warren Co. in 1853 was Col. Jonathan Robins b. 1-7-1774, d. 5-18-1867. He is buried at the Greenwich Presbyterian Church Cemetery & is mentioned in Snell's History of Sussex & Warren Counties, NJ. His parents were John 1751-1789 & Elizabeth Green Robins. Col. Jonathan Robins is mentioned on pg. 40 of the Robins, Robbins book. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 6:57 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Does anyone know the identity of Jonathan ROBBINS named here ? ... Deed, dated 17 Dec 1853 acknowledgment in Warren Co, NJ 1 Feb 1854 recorded in Warren Co, NJ 26 Feb 1869 recorded in Hunterdon Co, NJ 28 Sep 1870 grantor - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ grantee - Spencer C SWICK of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ consideration - $285 Lot #2, 44 21/100 acres in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ surveyed by Robert S KENNEDY 14 Feb 1835 part of a tract set off to Samuel Stewart by Commissioners appointed by Orphan's Court, Hunterdon Co, NJ as Lot #11 lying near Robert Johnson in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1541 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-07-10 23:08:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Surely Jonathan ROBINS (1774-1867) is a descendant of Daniel ROBINS (1627-1714). A living male ROBINS descendant of Jonathan ROBINS (1774-1867) is another good candidate for a Y-DNA test. > The only Jonathan Robins I know who was living in Greenwich Township, > Warren Co. in 1853 was Col. Jonathan Robins b. 1-7-1774, d. 5-18-1867. He > is buried at the Greenwich Presbyterian Church Cemetery & is mentioned in > Snell's History of Sussex & Warren Counties, NJ. His parents were John > 1751-1789 & Elizabeth Green Robins. Col. Jonathan Robins is mentioned on > pg. 40 of the Robins, Robbins book. >> Does anyone know the identity of Jonathan ROBBINS named here ? ... >> >> Deed, dated 17 Dec 1853 >> acknowledgment in Warren Co, NJ 1 Feb 1854 >> recorded in Warren Co, NJ 26 Feb 1869 >> recorded in Hunterdon Co, NJ 28 Sep 1870 >> grantor - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ >> grantee - Spencer C SWICK of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ >> consideration - $285 >> Lot #2, 44 21/100 acres in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ >> surveyed by Robert S KENNEDY 14 Feb 1835 >> >> part of a tract set off to Samuel Stewart by Commissioners appointed by >> Orphan's Court, Hunterdon Co, NJ as Lot #11 lying near Robert Johnson in >> Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1542 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-11 04:54:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: John Robins (1751-1789) names a brother, Jonathan, as an executor in his Will. Any ideas on Jonathan? I’ve found Jonathan Robins born 1759 NJ, died Aug. 18, 1824, Franklin, Warren County, OH, married Effie Hamilin born Aug. 11, 1763, Warren County, NJ. He and Effie are on findagrave.com. I can’t find any other record for him. Supposedly, they had a son, John, born Dec. 25, 1786 PA. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:08 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Surely Jonathan ROBINS (1774-1867) is a descendant of Daniel ROBINS (1627-1714). A living male ROBINS descendant of Jonathan ROBINS (1774-1867) is another good candidate for a Y-DNA test. > The only Jonathan Robins I know who was living in Greenwich Township, > Warren Co. in 1853 was Col. Jonathan Robins b. 1-7-1774, d. 5-18-1867. He > is buried at the Greenwich Presbyterian Church Cemetery & is mentioned in > Snell's History of Sussex & Warren Counties, NJ. His parents were John > 1751-1789 & Elizabeth Green Robins. Col. Jonathan Robins is mentioned on > pg. 40 of the Robins, Robbins book. >> Does anyone know the identity of Jonathan ROBBINS named here ? ... >> >> Deed, dated 17 Dec 1853 >> acknowledgment in Warren Co, NJ 1 Feb 1854 >> recorded in Warren Co, NJ 26 Feb 1869 >> recorded in Hunterdon Co, NJ 28 Sep 1870 >> grantor - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ >> grantee - Spencer C SWICK of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ >> consideration - $285 >> Lot #2, 44 21/100 acres in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ >> surveyed by Robert S KENNEDY 14 Feb 1835 >> >> part of a tract set off to Samuel Stewart by Commissioners appointed by >> Orphan's Court, Hunterdon Co, NJ as Lot #11 lying near Robert Johnson in >> Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1543 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-11 06:24:14 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Marshall, Y-DNA already shows the John Robins 1751-1789 family descends from Daniel Robins. Remember Gary Robins? He is a descendant of John & Elizabeth Green Robins & took the test. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 11:09 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Surely Jonathan ROBINS (1774-1867) is a descendant of Daniel ROBINS (1627-1714). A living male ROBINS descendant of Jonathan ROBINS (1774-1867) is another good candidate for a Y-DNA test. > The only Jonathan Robins I know who was living in Greenwich Township, > Warren Co. in 1853 was Col. Jonathan Robins b. 1-7-1774, d. 5-18-1867. He > is buried at the Greenwich Presbyterian Church Cemetery & is mentioned in > Snell's History of Sussex & Warren Counties, NJ. His parents were John > 1751-1789 & Elizabeth Green Robins. Col. Jonathan Robins is mentioned on > pg. 40 of the Robins, Robbins book. >> Does anyone know the identity of Jonathan ROBBINS named here ? ... >> >> Deed, dated 17 Dec 1853 >> acknowledgment in Warren Co, NJ 1 Feb 1854 >> recorded in Warren Co, NJ 26 Feb 1869 >> recorded in Hunterdon Co, NJ 28 Sep 1870 >> grantor - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ >> grantee - Spencer C SWICK of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ >> consideration - $285 >> Lot #2, 44 21/100 acres in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ >> surveyed by Robert S KENNEDY 14 Feb 1835 >> >> part of a tract set off to Samuel Stewart by Commissioners appointed by >> Orphan's Court, Hunterdon Co, NJ as Lot #11 lying near Robert Johnson in >> Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1544 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-11 11:26:21 Subject:Mutchler/Robins Warren County, NJ Message: More Robins ... Johan Frederick Mutschler/Mutchler born 1724 Germany, died Aug. 31, 1794 Greenwich Twp, Warren County, NJ. He was a member of the Straw Church, Phillipsburg, Greenwich Twp. Children: 1) Emma b. 1768 m. William Robbins 2) Anna b. June 14, 1776 m. John Robbins William and Emma had a daughter, Anna, born July 7, 1796, who was baptized at the Straw Church. William was recorded as Wilhelm. Any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1545 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-07-11 12:25:48 Subject:Wrote cousin about John D. Robbins Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } He is son of Joshua Robbins who was born in Monmouth County, New Jersey and is buried at Reichert Grove Cemetery, Lycoming Co. PA. As you know, everything is subject to change. I found out that my cousin has the John Wesley Robbins bible and it has newspaper clippings in it. I asked her if, in her spare time she can see what is in there. I didn't spring the DNA need on her yet. I didn't want t o write her after 50 years of not seeing her and asking her too much. It is just nice having her in my life. John D. Robbins, my great great grandfather, son of Joshua was born in Columbia Cty. PA. His youngest child was John Wesley Robbins, born about 1856. John D. Was married to Hannah Phillips daughter of Griffith Phillip s who had his farm right next to North Mountain, Davidson Twp., Sullivan Cty. Pennsylvania. When JW was young, J.D. loaded his family into a covered wagon and headed for Iowa.. They spent some time in Bremer Cty. I be lieve then moved on to Monona Cty where they planted their roots. John Dildine Robbins and Hannah Phillips Robbins are buried in Monona Cemetery. This area borders the Missouri River and there are a lot of trees there considering it is Iowa. Maybe one reason they settled there was the trees, more like home. When my grandma was a little girl they pulled up steaks and moved across the Missouri River, moving their belongings on the ice to a farm right next to Lyons Nebraska in Burt County. I think for awhile a couple of JW's brothers, one was Clark, worked the land in Monona Cty. Some years back we 3 "Crellin kids" took a small road trip to Lyons. Ma rk and I were each taken once by our grandparents to stay with Cousin Edith (Robbins) and Earl Peterson but Matt had never been there. It is a beautiful little small town. We had pictures of buildings to try to figure o ut. Henry Crellin had a harness business on mainstreet and his second wife had the Crellin Hospital. We were asked by some older people if we were perhaps the Crellins as they saw us looking around the outside. Sadly it was abandoned. Beautiful cemetery, both my grandma and grandpa were from there. As usual we knew a whole lot of people in the cemetery rather than live ones. They had a pretty opera house on Main Street that had just been taken down. The land was a lot more rolling than Minnesota and we saw more small game birds there. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1546 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-07-13 08:00:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: There's a little info on this John ROBINS at http://www.mlake.net/robins/ but I do not know who the parents are. > John Robins (1751-1789) names a brother, Jonathan, as an executor in his > Will. Any ideas on Jonathan? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1547 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-07-13 08:03:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: You're always on top of this stuff, Sara! > Y-DNA already shows the John Robins 1751-1789 family descends from Daniel > Robins. Remember Gary Robins? He is a descendant of John & Elizabeth Green > Robins & took the test. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1548 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-13 09:59:39 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed on pg. 185 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel & Hope. We know through DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to their inventories being taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan's estate. In 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the work are no longer active researchers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:01 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ There's a little info on this John ROBINS at http://www.mlake.net/robins/ but I do not know who the parents are. > John Robins (1751-1789) names a brother, Jonathan, as an executor in his > Will. Any ideas on Jonathan? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1549 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-13 10:25:01 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Marshall, Some thoughts regarding Jonathan Sr. 1722-1796 & Jonathan Robins, Jr. 1748-1796. Jonathan Johnson was the administrator of Jonathan Jr's estate. I don't believe we know the relationship between Jonathan Jr. & Jonathan Johnson. Maybe a grandson? John Cooley & Henry Mettler both of Alexandria Township took the inventories of Jonathan Sr. & Jonathan Jr's estate. They were neighbors of Jonathan Sr. & I wonder if they were also related to the Robins family? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:00 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed on pg. 185 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel & Hope. We know through DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to their inventories being taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan's estate. In 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the work are no longer active researchers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:01 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ There's a little info on this John ROBINS at http://www.mlake.net/robins/ but I do not know who the parents are. > John Robins (1751-1789) names a brother, Jonathan, as an executor in his > Will. Any ideas on Jonathan? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1550 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-13 10:29:56 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robins (1761-1837) Message: The parents of William Robins are unknown at this time. What we know about William Robins comes from his Rev. War pension records. He had 10 children that are named in a Bible record & also in his Rev. War records. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 3:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] William Robins (1761-1837) I saw William listed in the Robins/Robbins DNA section: William Robins 1761-1837 NJ, PA, OH Where does he fit in to the family? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1551 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-13 20:00:42 Subject:Job Robins Wallkill, Orange Co., NY Message: Shirley, The information I gave you on Job Robins was way off track or that is what it appears to be to me. After I gave you the information on Job Robins who died 1814 in Wallkill, NY with my source as the Sons of the America n Rev applications, I decided to take a look at the actual records, something I should have checked before responding to your inquiry. Also, there is a booklet published in 1939 called The Descendants of Charles Robbins , Sr. compiled by Bushrod W. Robbins, Denver, CO in 1939. According to the booklet, Charles Robbins, Sr. was born 2-13-1787 in Wallkill, NY on his father Job's farm & died in Vinton Co., OH., his Will was probated 9-11-1887. He was the third child by Job's first wife Sarah Se la by whom he had four children John, Matthias, Charles & Jane. By his second wife Miriam Brown, he had ten children, Peter, Cornelius, Jonathan, Gilbert, Archibald, Robert Sterritt, Mary, Millicent, Sarah & Christine. The compiler of the booklet Bushrod Robbins was a Job Robins descendant, he writes, "Nothing is known of the birth place, date of birth or burial place of either Job Robbins or his first wife Sarah." I'm unable to find how Job Robins is linked by documentation to the line of Phillip & Anna Minot Robbins of Westford , MA.The Sons of the American Rev applications dated 1897 & 1900 do not name Job Robins & I can't fin d any record where Phillip Robbins 1725-1804, his son Jeremiah Robbins, Sr. 1753-1811 or his grandson Jeremiah Robbins, Jr. 1781-1863 had a son Job Robbins. Maybe there is one & I can't locate him. It could be possible for your Peter Robins to have been the son named in Job's Will. Is there any DNA for any of Job's children? He had enough sons so there must be descendants living from one or more of them. It would be great to connect this family to the Daniel Robins family. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1552 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-07-13 20:48:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ; and Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr, d 1796 Message: I don't know if any of this is means anything. Thinking out loud ... Isaac GARRISON (1795-1888, son of James GARRISON & Dinah ROBINS) married Elizabeth METTLER (1808-1876) in 1835 in Easton, PA. Elizabeth is the daughter of William METTLER (will dated 1826). (Maybe William & the Henry you named are closely connected?) Dinah ROBINS (1772-1857) is the daughter of Isaac ROBINS (d 1783) and Susannah ------ (1739-1817). All lived in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County. Isaac ROBINS is the son of Jonathan ROBINS (1694-1774) and Dinah ------. Isaac GARRISON and Elizabeth METTLER had a son born in 1824 (seemingly out of wedlock) near Little York, Alexandria Twp who moved west and took the name John JOHNSTON (some connection with Jonathan Johnson?). > 1d. Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:27 am ((PDT)) > > Marshall, > > Some thoughts regarding Jonathan Sr. 1722-1796 & Jonathan Robins, Jr. > 1748-1796. Jonathan Johnson was the administrator of Jonathan Jr's > estate. I don't believe we know the relationship between Jonathan Jr. & > Jonathan Johnson. Maybe a grandson? John Cooley & Henry Mettler both of > Alexandria Township took the inventories of Jonathan Sr. & Jonathan Jr's > estate. They were neighbors of Jonathan Sr. & I wonder if they were also > related to the Robins family? > > Sara > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:00 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, > Warren Co, NJ > > Marshall, > > Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the > sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. > > John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son > Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the > weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed > on pg. 185 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather > Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon > Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel > & Hope. We know through DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins > family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son > Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to > their inventories being taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing > in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich > Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan's estate. In > 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved > by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. > > This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the > work are no longer active researchers. > > Sara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1553 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-07-14 13:18:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Job Robins Wallkill, Orange Co., NY Message: Sara, thank you for your information . My information from census reports says Cornelius, Gilbert and Robert Sterrit Robbins stayed in the Wallkill area, son, John ((d. 1826) who married Elizabeth Crane (d 1836) Waverl y, Barton, Athens area, Jonathan was there and his wife, Miriam Quick died in Barton in 1840 and is buried in Factoryville cemetery in E. Waverly. History of Waverly, pg 62. No idea what happened to Peter. I am not su re if all of these accounts are accurate, so many are named the same, my eye sight is not great either. Thank you again, Shirley Sent from my iPad > On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:00 PM, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Shirley, > > The information I gave you on Job Robins was way off track or that is what it appears to be to me. After I gave you the information on Job Robins who died 1814 in Wallkill, NY with my source as the Sons of the Americ an Rev applications, I decided to take a look at the actual records, something I should have checked before responding to your inquiry. Also, there is a booklet published in 1939 called The Descendants of Charles Robbin s, Sr. compiled by Bushrod W. Robbins, Denver, CO in 1939. > > > > According to the booklet, Charles Robbins, Sr. was born 2-13-1787 in Wallkill, NY on his father Job's farm & died in Vinton Co., OH., his Will was probated 9-11-1887. He was the third child by Job's first wife Sarah S ela by whom he had four children John, Matthias, Charles & Jane. By his second wife Miriam Brown, he had ten children, Peter, Cornelius, Jonathan, Gilbert, Archibald, Robert Sterritt, Mary, Millicent, Sarah & Christine. The compiler of the booklet Bushrod Robbins was a Job Robins descendant, he writes, "Nothing is known of the birth place, date of birth or burial place of either Job Robbins or his first wife Sarah." > > > > I'm unable to find how Job Robins is linked by documentation to the line of Phillip & Anna Minot Robbins of Westford , MA.The Sons of the American Rev applications dated 1897 & 1900 do not name Job Robins & I can't fi nd any record where Phillip Robbins 1725-1804, his son Jeremiah Robbins, Sr. 1753-1811 or his grandson Jeremiah Robbins, Jr. 1781-1863 had a son Job Robbins. Maybe there is one & I can't locate him. > > > > It could be possible for your Peter Robins to have been the son named in Job's Will. Is there any DNA for any of Job's children? He had enough sons so there must be descendants living from one or more of them. It woul d be great to connect this family to the Daniel Robins family. > > Sara > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1554 Sender:Jeff Brown Post Date/Time:2017-07-15 07:12:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ; and Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr, d 1796 Message: So I had met a woman on fb who had bought a cabinet photo of a person, for fun she traced the persons lineage back a long way. It got me to thinking. I never knew much about my maternal grandparents. My grandfather's na me was Ravers Ellsworth Robins. So on a whim I told her I would love to know more about his lineage. As a child when we would visit Staten Island which would always have us going to Bethel Cemetery to tend to his ances tors graves with the surname of Townsend. So the kind soul traced the lineage all the way back. If anyone has a question on her research I would be glad to look through the extensive family tree she had drawn, she also added much data to cd's which I have not looked at to much. I wanted to know and I found out much. I have not done the research but wanted to find out. I learned my paternal grandparents were of Welch English extract, my maternal German Scotch. By no means would I have been able to do such an exhaustive study, she even showed a branch leaving to viking lineage, I was cleaning my room and pulled the chart out since there has been much activity. Hoping I have some information I can share Jeff Brown -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 7/13/17, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ; and Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr, d 1796 To: "ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List" Date: Thursday, July 13, 2017, 10:48 PM I don't know if any of this is means anything. Thinking out loud ... Isaac GARRISON (1795-1888, son of James GARRISON & Dinah ROBINS) married Elizabeth METTLER (1808-1876) in 1835 in Easton, PA. Elizabeth is the daughter of William METTLER (will dated 1826). (Maybe William & the Henry you named are closely connected?) Dinah ROBINS (1772-1857) is the daughter of Isaac ROBINS (d 1783) and Susannah ------ (1739-1817). All lived in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County. Isaac ROBINS is the son of Jonathan ROBINS (1694-1774) and Dinah ------. Isaac GARRISON and Elizabeth METTLER had a son born in 1824 (seemingly out of wedlock) near Little York, Alexandria Twp who moved west and took the name John JOHNSTON (some connection with Jonathan Johnson?). > 1d. Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:27 am ((PDT)) > > Marshall, > > Some thoughts regarding Jonathan Sr. 1722-1796 & Jonathan Robins, Jr. > 1748-1796. Jonathan Johnson was the administrator of Jonathan Jr's > estate. I don't believe we know the relationship between Jonathan Jr. & > Jonathan Johnson. Maybe a grandson? John Cooley & Henry Mettler both of > Alexandria Township took the inventories of Jonathan Sr. & Jonathan Jr's > estate. They were neighbors of Jonathan Sr. & I wonder if they were also > related to the Robins family? > > Sara > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:00 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, > Warren Co, NJ > > Marshall, > > Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the > sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. > > John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son > Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the > weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed > on pg. 185 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather > Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon > Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel > & Hope. We know through DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins > family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son > Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to > their inventories being taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing > in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich > Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan's estate. In > 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved > by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. > > This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the > work are no longer active researchers. > > Sara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458 -- #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp #yiv0872852458hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp #yiv0872852458ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp .yiv0872852458ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp .yiv0872852458ad p { margin:0;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp .yiv0872852458ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-sponsor 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Steadman Post Date/Time:2017-07-15 07:26:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ; and Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr, d 1796 Message: I had my DNA checked by Ancestry.com lately by sending in a sample of my DNA. My paternal grandmother was a Robbins from New Eygpt, New Jersey. My DNA revealed that I was mostly Scottish, with some western European thrown in, plus a Viking lineage also. I am not much on doing research myself, and since I'm 84 now, I don't see the need to start it. Others have already done such a great job. Bettylou Steadman -----Original Message----- From: "Jeff Brown m3jeffy@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" Sent: Jul 15, 2017 7:12 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ; and Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr, d 1796 So I had met a woman on fb who had bought a cabinet photo of a person, for fun she traced the persons lineage back a long way. It got me to thinking. I never knew much about my maternal grandparents. My grandfather's name was Ravers Ellsworth Robins. So on a whim I told her I would love to know more about his lineage. As a child when we would visit Staten Island which would always have us going to Bethel Cemetery to tend to his ancestors graves with the surname of Townsend. So the kind soul traced the lineage all the way back. If anyone has a question on her research I would be glad to look through the extensive family tree she had drawn, she also added much data to cd's which I have not looked at to much. I wanted to know and I found out much. I have not done the research but wanted to find out. I learned my paternal grandparents were of Welch English extract, my maternal German Scotch. By no means would I have been able to do such an exhaustive study, she even showed a branch leaving to viking lineage, I was cleaning my room and pulled the chart out since there has been much activity. Hoping I have some information I can share Jeff Brown -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 7/13/17, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ; and Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr, d 1796 To: "ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List" Date: Thursday, July 13, 2017, 10:48 PM I don't know if any of this is means anything. Thinking out loud ... Isaac GARRISON (1795-1888, son of James GARRISON & Dinah ROBINS) married Elizabeth METTLER (1808-1876) in 1835 in Easton, PA. Elizabeth is the daughter of William METTLER (will dated 1826). (Maybe William & the Henry you named are closely connected?) Dinah ROBINS (1772-1857) is the daughter of Isaac ROBINS (d 1783) and Susannah ------ (1739-1817). All lived in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County. Isaac ROBINS is the son of Jonathan ROBINS (1694-1774) and Dinah ------. Isaac GARRISON and Elizabeth METTLER had a son born in 1824 (seemingly out of wedlock) near Little York, Alexandria Twp who moved west and took the name John JOHNSTON (some connection with Jonathan Johnson?). > 1d. Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:27 am ((PDT)) > > Marshall, > > Some thoughts regarding Jonathan Sr. 1722-1796 & Jonathan Robins, Jr. > 1748-1796. Jonathan Johnson was the administrator of Jonathan Jr's > estate. I don't believe we know the relationship between Jonathan Jr. & > Jonathan Johnson. Maybe a grandson? John Cooley & Henry Mettler both of > Alexandria Township took the inventories of Jonathan Sr. & Jonathan Jr's > estate. They were neighbors of Jonathan Sr. & I wonder if they were also > related to the Robins family? > > Sara > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@...m > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:00 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, > Warren Co, NJ > > Marshall, > > Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the > sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. > > John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son > Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the > weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed > on pg. 185 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather > Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon > Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel > & Hope. We know through DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins > family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son > Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to > their inventories being taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing > in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich > Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan's estate. In > 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved > by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. > > This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the > work are no longer active researchers. > > Sara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458 -- #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp #yiv0872852458hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp #yiv0872852458ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp .yiv0872852458ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp .yiv0872852458ad p { margin:0;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp .yiv0872852458ad a { color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-sponsor 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Post Date/Time:2017-07-15 07:27:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ; and Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr, d 1796 Message: I happen to have the Viking lineage which really blew my mind Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 15, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Bettylou Steadman wunderwoman@earthlink.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > I had my DNA checked by Ancestry.com lately by sending in a sample of my DNA. My paternal grandmother was a Robbins from New Eygpt, New Jersey. My DNA revealed that I was mostly Scottish, with some western European thrown in, plus a Viking lineage also. I am not much on doing research myself, and since I'm 84 now, I don't see the need to start it. Others have already done such a great job. > > Bettylou Steadman > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jeff Brown m3jeffy@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > Sent: Jul 15, 2017 7:12 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ; and Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr, d 1796 > > > So I had met a woman on fb who had bought a cabinet photo of a person, for fun she traced the persons lineage back a long way. It got me to thinking. I never knew much about my maternal grandparents. My grandfather's name was Ravers Ellsworth Robins. So on a whim I told her I would love to know more about his lineage. As a child when we would visit Staten Island which would always have us going to Bethel Cemetery to tend to his ance stors graves with the surname of Townsend. So the kind soul traced the lineage all the way back. If anyone has a question on her research I would be glad to look through the extensive family tree she had drawn, she also added much data to cd's which I have not looked at to much. I wanted to know and I found out much. I have not done the research but wanted to find out. I learned my paternal grandparents were of Welch English extract, my maternal German Scotch. By no means would I have been able to do such an exhaustive study, she even showed a branch leaving to viking lineage, I was cleaning my room and pulled the chart out since there has been much activity. Hoping I have some information I can share > > Jeff Brown > > -------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 7/13/17, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ; and Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr, d 1796 > To: "ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List" > Date: Thursday, July 13, 2017, 10:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if any of this is means anything. Thinking > out loud ... > > > > Isaac GARRISON (1795-1888, son of James GARRISON & Dinah > ROBINS) married > > Elizabeth METTLER (1808-1876) in 1835 in Easton, PA. > Elizabeth is the > > daughter of William METTLER (will dated 1826). (Maybe > William & the Henry > > you named are closely connected?) > > > > Dinah ROBINS (1772-1857) is the daughter of Isaac ROBINS (d > 1783) and > > Susannah ------ (1739-1817). > > > > All lived in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County. > > > > Isaac ROBINS is the son of Jonathan ROBINS (1694-1774) and > Dinah ------. > > > > Isaac GARRISON and Elizabeth METTLER had a son born in 1824 > (seemingly out > > of wedlock) near Little York, Alexandria Twp who moved west > and took the > > name John JOHNSTON (some connection with Jonathan > Johnson?). > > > > > 1d. Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, > NJ > > > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... > turkeypt2 > > > Date: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:27 am ((PDT)) > > > > > > Marshall, > > > > > > Some thoughts regarding Jonathan Sr. 1722-1796 & > Jonathan Robins, Jr. > > > 1748-1796. Jonathan Johnson was the administrator of > Jonathan Jr's > > > estate. I don't believe we know the relationship > between Jonathan Jr. & > > > Jonathan Johnson. Maybe a grandson? John Cooley & > Henry Mettler both of > > > Alexandria Township took the inventories of Jonathan > Sr. & Jonathan Jr's > > > estate. They were neighbors of Jonathan Sr. & I > wonder if they were also > > > related to the Robins family? > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:00 AM > > > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan > ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, > > > Warren Co, NJ > > > > > > Marshall, > > > > > > Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins > 1751-1789 were the > > > sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. > > > > > > John Robins left a Will that names his children & > refers to one son > > > Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather > Robins to learn the > > > weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed > & can be viewed > > > on pg. 185 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of > grandfather > > > Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria > Township, Hunterdon > > > Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible > grandson of Daniel > > > & Hope. We know through DNA that this family > belongs to the Daniel Robins > > > family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. > 1722 & his son > > > Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed > dates. This is due to > > > their inventories being taken on the same day > 10-14-1796 & both residing > > > in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 > of Greenwich > > > Township was the administrator of his grandfather > Jonathan's estate. In > > > 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1796 & his sons Jonathan > & John were approved > > > by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. > > > > > > This is a line that needs more work & the > descendants who did most of the > > > work are no longer active researchers. > > > > > > Sara > > > > -- > > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > > > > > > > > > > > #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458 -- > #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp { > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px > 0;padding:0 10px;} > > #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp hr { > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > > #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp #yiv0872852458hd { > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px > 0;} > > #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp #yiv0872852458ads { > margin-bottom:10px;} > > #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp .yiv0872852458ad { > padding:0 0;} > > #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp .yiv0872852458ad p { > margin:0;} > > #yiv0872852458 #yiv0872852458ygrp-mkp 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Bless your heart. My brother will be 86 in a few days. I hope I make it as far as the two of you. Can you tell us anything about your ROBBINS paternal grandmother from New Eygpt, NJ ? If you've already shared this info maybe you can point us to it. > Posted by: "Bettylou Steadman" wunderwoman@... wunder13woman > Date: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:26 am ((PDT)) > > I had my DNA checked by Ancestry.com lately by sending in a sample of my > DNA. My paternal grandmother was a Robbins from New Eygpt, New Jersey. > My DNA revealed that I was mostly Scottish, with some western European > thrown in, plus a Viking lineage also. I am not much on doing research > myself, and since I'm 84 now, I don't see the need to start it. Others > have already done such a great job. > Bettylou Steadman -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1558 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2017-07-15 20:53:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1559 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2017-07-15 21:21:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1560 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-07-15 21:57:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ [2 Attachments] Message: Hello, may I ask if you know Frank Robbins of Rancho Penasquito , Calif? He is very knowledgeable about the Robbins family and once lived in PA. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:21 PM, Bettylou Steadman wunderwoman@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Marshall, I will get back to you in a week or so with more about the Robbins of New Egypt. Some of the info will be from my cousin's book on Lila, and other pictures will be of the Robbins graveyard in or near New Eg ypt that I took when I was there a few years ago. Attached here is a page from Don's book about Lila Robbins Thompson. Her sister, Carrie Robbins Eldridge, was my dad's mother. I'm including a picture of her, too. > > Right now I still have lots to do in preparing for the funeral of a dear friend of mine on Tuesday, July 18th. I have the sole responsibility of being in charge of the whole thing. Sara Hoffman has met him. His nam e is Ken Taylor and was 80 years old when he died last week. > > Bettylou Steadman > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" > Sent: Jul 15, 2017 8:01 PM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ > > > > 84! Bless your heart. My brother will be 86 in a few days. I hope I make > it as far as the two of you. > > Can you tell us anything about your ROBBINS paternal grandmother from New > Eygpt, NJ ? If you've already shared this info maybe you can point us to > it. > > > Posted by: "Bettylou Steadman" wunderwoman@... wunder13woman > > Date: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:26 am ((PDT)) > > > > I had my DNA checked by Ancestry.com lately by sending in a sample of my > > DNA. My paternal grandmother was a Robbins from New Eygpt, New Jersey. > > My DNA revealed that I was mostly Scottish, with some western European > > thrown in, plus a Viking lineage also. I am not much on doing research > > myself, and since I'm 84 now, I don't see the need to start it. Others > > have already done such a great job. > > Bettylou Steadman > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1561 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2017-07-15 22:08:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Message: No, Shirley, I do not know him. -----Original Message----- From: "Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" Sent: Jul 15, 2017 9:57 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Hello, may I ask if you know Frank Robbins of Rancho Penasquito , Calif? He is very knowledgeable about the Robbins family and once lived in PA. Sent from my iPad On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:21 PM, Bettylou Steadman wunderwoman@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, I will get back to you in a week or so with more about the Robbins of New Egypt. Some of the info will be from my cousin's book on Lila, and other pictures will be of the Robbins graveyard in or near New Egypt that I took when I was there a few years ago. Attached here is a page from Don's book about Lila Robbins Thompson. Her sister, Carrie Robbins Eldridge, was my dad's mother. I'm including a picture of her, too. Right now I still have lots to do in preparing for the funeral of a dear friend of mine on Tuesday, July 18th. I have the sole responsibility of being in charge of the whole thing. Sara Hoffman has met him. His name is Ken Taylor and was 80 years old when he died last week. Bettylou Steadman -----Original Message----- From: "Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" Sent: Jul 15, 2017 8:01 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ 84! Bless your heart. My brother will be 86 in a few days. I hope I make it as far as the two of you. Can you tell us anything about your ROBBINS paternal grandmother from New Eygpt, NJ ? If you've already shared this info maybe you can point us to it. > Posted by: "Bettylou Steadman" wunderwoman@... wunder13woman > Date: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:26 am ((PDT)) > > I had my DNA checked by Ancestry.com lately by sending in a sample of my > DNA. My paternal grandmother was a Robbins from New Eygpt, New Jersey. > My DNA revealed that I was mostly Scottish, with some western European > thrown in, plus a Viking lineage also. I am not much on doing research > myself, and since I'm 84 now, I don't see the need to start it. Others > have already done such a great job. > Bettylou Steadman -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1562 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-16 09:01:52 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ; and Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr, d 1796 Message: Marshall, There were so many Mettlers living in Hunterdon Co. I know very little about them & the Cooleys so like you I don't know if there is a connection. Possible I suppose. Adding this for new members. However, I'm sure you remember Dorman Nelson who did research on John Garrison aka John Johnston aka Jeremiah Johnson portrayed in the movie by Robert Redford. Dorman's research was done by Fred Sissler well known NJ genealogist. I believe this is how John Garrison Johnson was linked to Isaac Garrison & Elizabeth Mettler. As I recall you are from the line of Dinah Robins Garrison. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:49 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ; and Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr, d 1796 I don't know if any of this is means anything. Thinking out loud ... Isaac GARRISON (1795-1888, son of James GARRISON & Dinah ROBINS) married Elizabeth METTLER (1808-1876) in 1835 in Easton, PA. Elizabeth is the daughter of William METTLER (will dated 1826). (Maybe William & the Henry you named are closely connected?) Dinah ROBINS (1772-1857) is the daughter of Isaac ROBINS (d 1783) and Susannah ------ (1739-1817). All lived in Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County. Isaac ROBINS is the son of Jonathan ROBINS (1694-1774) and Dinah ------. Isaac GARRISON and Elizabeth METTLER had a son born in 1824 (seemingly out of wedlock) near Little York, Alexandria Twp who moved west and took the name John JOHNSTON (some connection with Jonathan Johnson?). > 1d. Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:27 am ((PDT)) > > Marshall, > > Some thoughts regarding Jonathan Sr. 1722-1796 & Jonathan Robins, Jr. > 1748-1796. Jonathan Johnson was the administrator of Jonathan Jr's > estate. I don't believe we know the relationship between Jonathan Jr. & > Jonathan Johnson. Maybe a grandson? John Cooley & Henry Mettler both of > Alexandria Township took the inventories of Jonathan Sr. & Jonathan Jr's > estate. They were neighbors of Jonathan Sr. & I wonder if they were also > related to the Robins family? > > Sara > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:00 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, > Warren Co, NJ > > Marshall, > > Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the > sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. > > John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son > Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the > weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed > on pg. 185 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather > Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon > Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel > & Hope. We know through DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins > family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son > Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to > their inventories being taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing > in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich > Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan's estate. In > 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved > by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. > > This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the > work are no longer active researchers. > > Sara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1563 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-07-16 19:50:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Message: Bettylou, None of the attachments came through (at least to me in digest mode). Most mailing lists don't allow attachments, and the ROBBINS list may work the same. I can certainly wait. Taking care of business comes first. Is Don's book on-line somewhere? Marshall > Posted by: "Bettylou Steadman" wunderwoman@... wunder13woman > Date: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:21 pm ((PDT)) > > Marshall, I will get back to you in a week or so with more about the > Robbins of New Egypt. Some of the info will be from my cousin's book on > Lila, and other pictures will be of the Robbins graveyard in or near New > Egypt that I took when I was there a few years ago. Attached here is a > page from Don's book about Lila Robbins Thompson. Her sister, Carrie > Robbins Eldridge, was my dad's mother. I'm including a picture of her, > too. Right now I still have lots to do in preparing for the funeral of a > dear friend of mine on Tuesday, July 18th. I have the sole > responsibility of being in charge of the whole thing. Sara Hoffman has > met him. His name is Ken Taylor and was 80 years old when he died last > week. > Bettylou Steadman -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1564 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2017-07-16 21:18:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Message: Marshall, You said you could not open any attachments that I sent. I sent a prologue to the book about herthat reads: Lila W. Thompson was born Lila Worrell Robbins, March 9, 1875 and died April 3, 1933 (the year I was born). In 1923 she was the first woman elected to the New Jersey state legislature from Ocean County where there was only one representative. She chaired and served on several committees in the General Assembly from 1924-25, In her last eight years, she gave herself completely to the needs of all people as the Great Depression struck South Jersey. Returning home to New Egypt one night, completely exhausted from her efforts as first Director of the Ocean County Old Age Pension Relief Bureau (Welfare Dept.), she apparently fell asleep at the wheel, and died in a tragic car crash. Her funeral was the largest in Ocean County up to that time, showing the people's gratitude for Lila. Bettylou Steadman (She was my great aunt, my grandmother Carrie Robbins' sister.) -----Original Message----- From: "Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" Sent: Jul 16, 2017 7:50 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Bettylou, None of the attachments came through (at least to me in digest mode). Most mailing lists don't allow attachments, and the ROBBINS list may work the same. I can certainly wait. Taking care of business comes first. Is Don's book on-line somewhere? Marshall > Posted by: "Bettylou Steadman" wunderwoman@... wunder13woman > Date: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:21 pm ((PDT)) > > Marshall, I will get back to you in a week or so with more about the > Robbins of New Egypt. Some of the info will be from my cousin's book on > Lila, and other pictures will be of the Robbins graveyard in or near New > Egypt that I took when I was there a few years ago. Attached here is a > page from Don's book about Lila Robbins Thompson. Her sister, Carrie > Robbins Eldridge, was my dad's mother. I'm including a picture of her, > too. Right now I still have lots to do in preparing for the funeral of a > dear friend of mine on Tuesday, July 18th. I have the sole > responsibility of being in charge of the whole thing. Sara Hoffman has > met him. His name is Ken Taylor and was 80 years old when he died last > week. > Bettylou Steadman -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1565 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2017-07-16 21:11:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Message: Marshall, The book about Lila Robbins Thompson by Donald C. Thompson (her grandson and my second cousin) says on the back cover that it is being sold by the Transitions Church and Support Group. I don't really know if they are still doing that. Their address is 2215 Sunset Drive, #E-1, Bradenton, FL 34207. I knew that Don was living there, but lately when I've tried to write to him, I get no answer. Either he's passed or maybe senile? Here is more that I found on the Internet about the group. Maybe you could find more by looking. BRADENTON -- Since the early 1990s, the Transitions Church & Support Group has ministered to Manatee and Sarasota residents who have lost loved ones, lost a job, been bullied, or faced other overwhelming challenges in their lives. Recently, several of the principals of Transitions have themselves experienced life-changing losses. Jane Riley Thompson, 75, who co-founded Transitions with her husband, the Rev. Don Thompson, died Jan. 28 of brain cancer. For more information about Transitions, call 941-739-7103 or visit http://www.facebook.com/pages/Transitions-Church-Support-Group/117870722040. James A. Jones Jr., East Manatee, can be contacted at 941-745-7021 or tweet:@jajones1 Meets 5 p.m. Sundays in the chapel at the Congregational United Church of Christ, 3700 26th St. W., Bradenton. Information: 941-739-7103 or http://www.facebook.com/pages/Transitions-Church-Support-Group/117870722040. Bettylou Steadman -----Original Message----- From: "Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" Sent: Jul 16, 2017 7:50 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Bettylou, None of the attachments came through (at least to me in digest mode). Most mailing lists don't allow attachments, and the ROBBINS list may work the same. I can certainly wait. Taking care of business comes first. Is Don's book on-line somewhere? Marshall > Posted by: "Bettylou Steadman" wunderwoman@earthlink.net wunder13woman > Date: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:21 pm ((PDT)) > > Marshall, I will get back to you in a week or so with more about the > Robbins of New Egypt. Some of the info will be from my cousin's book on > Lila, and other pictures will be of the Robbins graveyard in or near New > Egypt that I took when I was there a few years ago. Attached here is a > page from Don's book about Lila Robbins Thompson. Her sister, Carrie > Robbins Eldridge, was my dad's mother. I'm including a picture of her, > too. Right now I still have lots to do in preparing for the funeral of a > dear friend of mine on Tuesday, July 18th. I have the sole > responsibility of being in charge of the whole thing. Sara Hoffman has > met him. His name is Ken Taylor and was 80 years old when he died last > week. > Bettylou Steadman -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1566 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2017-07-16 21:54:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Message: There were several places listed under Google where you might be able to buy the book. One I saw was at http://www.authorhouse.com/bookstore/bookdetail.aspx?bookid=SKU-000327358 -----Original Message----- From: "Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" Sent: Jul 16, 2017 7:50 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Bettylou, None of the attachments came through (at least to me in digest mode). Most mailing lists don't allow attachments, and the ROBBINS list may work the same. I can certainly wait. Taking care of business comes first. Is Don's book on-line somewhere? Marshall > Posted by: "Bettylou Steadman" wunderwoman@earthlink.net wunder13woman > Date: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:21 pm ((PDT)) > > Marshall, I will get back to you in a week or so with more about the > Robbins of New Egypt. Some of the info will be from my cousin's book on > Lila, and other pictures will be of the Robbins graveyard in or near New > Egypt that I took when I was there a few years ago. Attached here is a > page from Don's book about Lila Robbins Thompson. Her sister, Carrie > Robbins Eldridge, was my dad's mother. I'm including a picture of her, > too. Right now I still have lots to do in preparing for the funeral of a > dear friend of mine on Tuesday, July 18th. I have the sole > responsibility of being in charge of the whole thing. Sara Hoffman has > met him. His name is Ken Taylor and was 80 years old when he died last > week. > Bettylou Steadman -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1567 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-07-17 10:35:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Message: Florida, Sue Robbins Storms, daughter of Edward and Vestalina (Gee)Robbins. Her husband Arthur Boardman Storms was murdered (newspaper notice) by the Board of trade in memoriam 3/25/1918 Zephyrhills. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 16, 2017, at 11:54 PM, Bettylou Steadman wunderwoman@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > There were several places listed under Google where you might be able to buy the book. One I saw was at http://www.authorhouse.com/bookstore/bookdetail.aspx?bookid=SKU-000327358 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" > Sent: Jul 16, 2017 7:50 PM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ > > > > Bettylou, > > None of the attachments came through (at least to me in digest mode). Most > mailing lists don't allow attachments, and the ROBBINS list may work the > same. > > I can certainly wait. Taking care of business comes first. > > Is Don's book on-line somewhere? > > Marshall > > > Posted by: "Bettylou Steadman" wunderwoman@... wunder13woman > > Date: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:21 pm ((PDT)) > > > > Marshall, I will get back to you in a week or so with more about the > > Robbins of New Egypt. Some of the info will be from my cousin's book on > > Lila, and other pictures will be of the Robbins graveyard in or near New > > Egypt that I took when I was there a few years ago. Attached here is a > > page from Don's book about Lila Robbins Thompson. Her sister, Carrie > > Robbins Eldridge, was my dad's mother. I'm including a picture of her, > > too. Right now I still have lots to do in preparing for the funeral of a > > dear friend of mine on Tuesday, July 18th. I have the sole > > responsibility of being in charge of the whole thing. Sara Hoffman has > > met him. His name is Ken Taylor and was 80 years old when he died last > > week. > > Bettylou Steadman > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1568 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-07-17 22:15:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Message: Thanks for all the info and help, Bettylou. I found the book online. Marshall > Posted by: "Bettylou Steadman" wunderwoman@... wunder13woman > Date: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:54 pm ((PDT)) > > There were several places listed under Google where you might be > able to buy the book. One I saw was at > http://www.authorhouse.com/bookstore/bookdetail.aspx?bookid=SKU-0\ > 00327358 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1569 Sender:Bettylou Steadman Post Date/Time:2017-07-17 22:21:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Message: -----Original Message----- From: "Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" Sent: Jul 17, 2017 10:15 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBBINS from New Egypt, NJ Thanks for all the info and help, Bettylou. I found the book online. Marshall Good. There's a lot of info about the Robbins family in there. Bettu;pi > Posted by: "Bettylou Steadman" wunderwoman@... wunder13woman > Date: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:54 pm ((PDT)) > > There were several places listed under Google where you might be > able to buy the book. One I saw was at > http://www.authorhouse.com/bookstore/bookdetail.aspx?bookid=SKU-0\ > 00327358 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1570 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 03:58:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Sara, I’ve just checked the DAR website. I don’t see Jonathan Robbins Jr. born 1748. I see John Robbins born about 1748, son of Jonathan Sr. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:59 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed on pg. 1 85 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel & Hope. We know t hrough DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to their inventories bein g taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing in Alexandria Tow nship. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan’s estate. In 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722- 1796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the work are no longer active researchers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:01 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ There's a little info on this John ROBINS at http://www.mlake.net/robins/ but I do not know who the parents are. > John Robins (1751-1789) names a brother, Jonathan, as an executor in his > Will. Any ideas on Jonathan? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net < o> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1571 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 03:52:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Sara, Have you seen the originals of these records? Do you have more details for these records? I’d like to know for certain that they aren’t for the same Jonathan Robins. 1796.0ct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Sr Alexandria twp, Hunterdon Co Admin Jonathan Robins, Greenwich twp, Sussex Co Inv by John Cooley; William Mettler both of Alexandria twp 1796,Oct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Jr Hunterdon, Co. Admin Jonathan Johnson Inv by John Cooley, William Mettler both of Alexandria twp Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:25 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Marshall, Some thoughts regarding Jonathan Sr. 1722-1796 & Jonathan Robins, Jr. 1748-1796. Jonathan Johnson was the administrator of Jonathan Jr’s estate. I don’t believe we know the relationship between Jonathan Jr. & Jonathan J ohnson. Maybe a grandson? John Cooley & Henry Mettler both of Alexandria Township took the inventories of Jonathan Sr. & Jonathan Jr’s estate. They were neighbors of Jonathan Sr. & I wonder if they were also related to the Robins family? & nbsp; Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:00 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed on pg. 1 85 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel & Hope. We know t hrough DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to their inventories bein g taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan’s estate. In 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1 796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the work are no longer active researchers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:01 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List ; Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ There's a little info on this John ROBINS at http://www.mlake.net/robins/ but I do not know who the parents are. > John Robins (1751-1789) names a brother, Jonathan, as an executor in his > Will. Any ideas on Jonathan? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1572 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 07:51:56 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Garry, From what I know the dates for these men are assumed dates whether they are at the DAR or elsewhere. Does the DAR provide a source for the dates you give like a cemetery or Bible record? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 3:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Sara, I’ve just checked the DAR website. I don’t see Jonathan Robbins Jr. born 1748. I see John Robbins born about 1748, son of Jonathan Sr. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:59 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed on pg. 1 85 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel & Hope. We know t hrough DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to their inventories bein g taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing in Alexandria Tow nship. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan’s estate. In 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722- 1796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the work are no longer active researchers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:01 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ There's a little info on this John ROBINS at http://www.mlake.net/robins/ but I do not know who the parents are. > John Robins (1751-1789) names a brother, Jonathan, as an executor in his > Will. Any ideas on Jonathan? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net < o> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1573 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 08:20:58 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Garry, There are a lot of things I’d like to know for certain too. : >) What I have is from Calendar of Wills 1796-1800. Marshall posted the Jonathan Robins information you show below so maybe he has originals. The Calenda r of Wills state both men had inventories. If you are interested in the original copies & no one here has copies, they can be obtained the New Jersey Archives in Trenton, NJ. The inventories will sometimes provide a few clues like wealth, occupation etc. something that isn’t included in the Calendar of Wills. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 3:53 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Sara, Have you seen the originals of these records? Do you have more details for these records? I’d like to know for certain that they aren’t for the same Jonathan Robins. 1796.0ct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Sr Alexandria twp, Hunterdon Co Admin Jonathan Robins, Greenwich twp, Sussex Co Inv by John Cooley; William Mettler both of Alexandria twp 1796,Oct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Jr Hunterdon, Co. Admin Jonathan Johnson Inv by John Cooley, William Mettler both of Alexandria twp Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:25 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Marshall, Some thoughts regarding Jonathan Sr. 1722-1796 & Jonathan Robins, Jr. 1748-1796. Jonathan Johnson was the administrator of Jonathan Jr’s estate. I don’t believe we know the relationship between Jonathan Jr. & Jonathan J ohnson. Maybe a grandson? John Cooley & Henry Mettler both of Alexandria Township took the inventories of Jonathan Sr. & Jonathan Jr’s estate. They were neighbors of Jonathan Sr. & I wonder if they were also related to the Robins family? & nbsp; Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:00 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed on pg. 1 85 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel & Hope. We know t hrough DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to their inventories bein g taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan’s estate. In 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1 796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the work are no longer active researchers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:01 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List ; Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ There's a little info on this John ROBINS at http://www.mlake.net/robins/ but I do not know who the parents are. > John Robins (1751-1789) names a brother, Jonathan, as an executor in his > Will. Any ideas on Jonathan? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1574 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 09:01:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Sara, Good one ... I shouldn’t have used the phrase “know for certain”. I see the Inventory dates and values are different for Jonathan Robins Sr. and Jr. I guess they probably died of the same thing. Possibly Jonathan Jr. or Jonathan, son of John who died in 1802 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: Jonathan Robbins m. Eva Force born 1763. - son Jonathon born 1785 Lebanon Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Eva remarried in 1807 in Hunterdon County, NJ. A potential son for Jonathan Jr. of Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: - John Robbins born July 1784, died 1866, buried Milford Cemetery. m. Abigail Cooley born 1785 Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Abigail is the daughter of John Cooley born 1749, could be the one mentioned in the Abstracts of Wills for Jonathan Sr. and Jr. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:20 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Garry, There are a lot of things I’d like to know for certain too. : >) What I have is from Calendar of Wills 1796-1800. Marshall posted the Jonathan Robins information you show below so maybe he has originals. The Calenda r of Wills state both men had inventories. If you are interested in the original copies & no one here has copies, they can be obtained the New Jersey Archives in Trenton, NJ. The inventories will sometimes provide a few clues like wealth, occupation etc. something that isn’t included in the Calendar of Wills. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 3:53 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Sara, Have you seen the originals of these records? Do you have more details for these records? I’d like to know for certain that they aren’t for the same Jonathan Robins. 1796.0ct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Sr Alexandria twp, Hunterdon Co Admin Jonathan Robins, Greenwich twp, Sussex Co Inv by John Cooley; William Mettler both of Alexandria twp 1796,Oct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Jr Hunterdon, Co. Admin Jonathan Johnson Inv by John Cooley, William Mettler both of Alexandria twp Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:25 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Marshall, Some thoughts regarding Jonathan Sr. 1722-1796 & Jonathan Robins, Jr. 1748-1796. Jonathan Johnson was the administrator of Jonathan Jr’s estate. I don’t believe we know the relationship between Jonathan Jr. & Jonathan J ohnson. Maybe a grandson? John Cooley & Henry Mettler both of Alexandria Township took the inventories of Jonathan Sr. & Jonathan Jr’s estate. They were neighbors of Jonathan Sr. & I wonder if they were also related to the Robins family? & nbsp; Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:00 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed on pg. 1 85 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel & Hope. We know t hrough DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to their inventories bein g taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan’s estate. In 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1 796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the work are no longer active researchers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:01 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List ; Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ There's a little info on this John ROBINS at http://www.mlake.net/robins/ but I do not know who the parents are. > John Robins (1751-1789) names a brother, Jonathan, as an executor in his > Will. Any ideas on Jonathan? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1575 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 10:59:22 Subject:DAR Message: Sara, The DAR website gives a descendant chart, but a fee is required to get the records. Under the Patriot Jonathan Robbins on all accepted applications is son John born 1751. John's sons, Robert and Jonathan are used. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1576 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 11:06:32 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Garry, I understand what you are saying. Wouldn’t we all like to know for certain? The Jonathan Robins b. 11-8, 1785 in Lebanon, Hunterdon Co. married Mary Vossler on 1-17-1807. Jonathan Robins mother was Eva Force Robins Aumock. The history of this Jonathan Robins family can be found on page 44 & 45 of the Robins, Robbins book. The majority of this family settled via NY in Hillsdale Co., M.I. This is another Robins family out of Hunterdon Co., that needs DNA testing to link to Daniel Robins. A descendant Elizabeth Robins Wood compiled a book in 1900 The Robins Family on this line. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 9:02 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Sara, Good one ... I shouldn’t have used the phrase “know for certain”. I see the Inventory dates and values are different for Jonathan Robins Sr. and Jr. I guess they probably died of the same thing. Possibly Jonathan Jr. or Jonathan, son of John who died in 1802 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: Jonathan Robbins m. Eva Force born 1763. - son Jonathon born 1785 Lebanon Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Eva remarried in 1807 in Hunterdon County, NJ. A potential son for Jonathan Jr. of Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: - John Robbins born July 1784, died 1866, buried Milford Cemetery. m. Abigail Cooley born 1785 Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Abigail is the daughter of John Cooley born 1749, could be the one mentioned in the Abstracts of Wills for Jonathan Sr. and Jr. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:20 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Garry, There are a lot of things I’d like to know for certain too. : >) What I have is from Calendar of Wills 1796-1800. Marshall posted the Jonathan Robins information you show below so maybe he has originals. The Calenda r of Wills state both men had inventories. If you are interested in the original copies & no one here has copies, they can be obtained the New Jersey Archives in Trenton, NJ. The inventories will sometimes provide a few clues like wealth, occupation etc. something that isn’t included in the Calendar of Wills. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 3:53 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Sara, Have you seen the originals of these records? Do you have more details for these records? I’d like to know for certain that they aren’t for the same Jonathan Robins. 1796.0ct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Sr Alexandria twp, Hunterdon Co Admin Jonathan Robins, Greenwich twp, Sussex Co Inv by John Cooley; William Mettler both of Alexandria twp 1796,Oct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Jr Hunterdon, Co. Admin Jonathan Johnson Inv by John Cooley, William Mettler both of Alexandria twp Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:25 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Marshall, Some thoughts regarding Jonathan Sr. 1722-1796 & Jonathan Robins, Jr. 1748-1796. Jonathan Johnson was the administrator of Jonathan Jr’s estate. I don’t believe we know the relationship between Jonathan Jr. & Jonathan J ohnson. Maybe a grandson? John Cooley & Henry Mettler both of Alexandria Township took the inventories of Jonathan Sr. & Jonathan Jr’s estate. They were neighbors of Jonathan Sr. & I wonder if they were also related to the Robins family? & nbsp; Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:00 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. 1748-1796 & brother John Robins 1751-1789 were the sons of Jonathan Robins 1722-1796. John Robins left a Will that names his children & refers to one son Robert 1777-1856 being placed with his Grandfather Robins to learn the weaver trade. The John Robins Will has been transcribed & can be viewed on pg. 1 85 in the Robins, Robbins book. The parents of grandfather Jonathan Robins b. 1722 & died 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. are unknown. He is believed to be a possible grandson of Daniel & Hope. We know t hrough DNA that this family belongs to the Daniel Robins family. The dates given for the death of Jonathan b. 1722 & his son Jonathan, Jr. b. 1748 are both 1796 & are assumed dates. This is due to their inventories bein g taken on the same day 10-14-1796 & both residing in Alexandria Township. Col. Jonathan Robins 1774-1867 of Greenwich Township was the administrator of his grandfather Jonathan’s estate. In 2006, Jonathan Robins 1722-1 796 & his sons Jonathan & John were approved by the DAR as a patriot ancestors. This is a line that needs more work & the descendants who did most of the work are no longer active researchers. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:01 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List ; Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ There's a little info on this John ROBINS at http://www.mlake.net/robins/ but I do not know who the parents are. > John Robins (1751-1789) names a brother, Jonathan, as an executor in his > Will. Any ideas on Jonathan? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1577 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 11:13:51 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Message: Garry, See page 40 of the Robins, Robbins book. This is all I know about the DAR birth dates for Jonathan Robins, Sr. abt. 1722-1796 & his two sons. I believe Judy K. Arthur a member of the previous group applied for the DAR m embership for Jonathan Robins, Sr. & his sons Jonathan, Jr. & John. The information on page 40 comes from Judy & another former member Gary Robins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, The DAR website gives a descendant chart, but a fee is required to get the records. Under the Patriot Jonathan Robbins on all accepted applications is son John born 1751. John's sons, Robert and Jonathan are used. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1578 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 11:34:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Message: Sara, A Patriot search on DAR for Jonathan Robbins gives only 1 result, Jonathan Robbins Sr. Possibly I missed something. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Garry, See page 40 of the Robins, Robbins book. This is all I know about the DAR birth dates for Jonathan Robins, Sr. abt. 1722-1796 & his two sons. I believe Judy K. Arthur a member of the previous group applied for the DAR m embership for Jonathan Robins, Sr. & his sons Jonathan, Jr. & John. The information on page 40 comes from Judy & another former member Gary Robins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, The DAR website gives a descendant chart, but a fee is required to get the records. Under the Patriot Jonathan Robbins on all accepted applications is son John born 1751. John's sons, Robert and Jonathan are used. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1579 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 13:51:00 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Message: Garry, I don’t know if you missed anything. The information we have was provided by Judy Arthur & Gary Robins. Maybe there is a member here who belongs to the DAR & can look it up for you. I don’t think it makes any difference if the sons haven’t been designated as a patriot ancestor. If the DAR applicant can prove their lineage to Jonathan Robins, Sr. through either of his sons, this qualifies them for membership. I’m not a DAR member but c ould qualify for membership. I prepared documents & family history for one of my cousins last year so she could join the DAR through our mutual ancestors John Sharp, Sr. & Seth Lore, Sr. The DAR required copies of origi nal documents for each descendant from the applicant back to the Rev. War ancestor along with details for everything before approval. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:34 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, A Patriot search on DAR for Jonathan Robbins gives only 1 result, Jonathan Robbins Sr. Possibly I missed something. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Garry, See page 40 of the Robins, Robbins book. This is all I know about the DAR birth dates for Jonathan Robins, Sr. abt. 1722-1796 & his two sons. I believe Judy K. Arthur a member of the previous group applied for the DAR m embership for Jonathan Robins, Sr. & his sons Jonathan, Jr. & John. The information on page 40 comes from Judy & another former member Gary Robins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, The DAR website gives a descendant chart, but a fee is required to get the records. Under the Patriot Jonathan Robbins on all accepted applications is son John born 1751. John's sons, Robert and Jonathan are used. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1580 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 14:30:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Message: Sara, That was not a good email I sent. In my DAR search under the Patriot Jonathan Robbins (1722-1796) are 3 approved applications. The applicants all descend from Jonathan’s son, John. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, A Patriot search on DAR for Jonathan Robbins gives only 1 result, Jonathan Robbins Sr. Possibly I missed something. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Garry, See page 40 of the Robins, Robbins book. This is all I know about the DAR birth dates for Jonathan Robins, Sr. abt. 1722-1796 & his two sons. I believe Judy K. Arthur a member of the previous group applied for the DAR m embership for Jonathan Robins, Sr. & his sons Jonathan, Jr. & John. The information on page 40 comes from Judy & another former member Gary Robins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, The DAR website gives a descendant chart, but a fee is required to get the records. Under the Patriot Jonathan Robbins on all accepted applications is son John born 1751. John's sons, Robert and Jonathan are used. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1581 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 16:02:40 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Message: Garry, It all seems good to me. Your research is very much appreciated. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:30 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, That was not a good email I sent. In my DAR search under the Patriot Jonathan Robbins (1722-1796) are 3 approved applications. The applicants all descend from Jonathan’s son, John. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, A Patriot search on DAR for Jonathan Robbins gives only 1 result, Jonathan Robbins Sr. Possibly I missed something. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Garry, See page 40 of the Robins, Robbins book. This is all I know about the DAR birth dates for Jonathan Robins, Sr. abt. 1722-1796 & his two sons. I believe Judy K. Arthur a member of the previous group applied for the DAR m embership for Jonathan Robins, Sr. & his sons Jonathan, Jr. & John. The information on page 40 comes from Judy & another former member Gary Robins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, The DAR website gives a descendant chart, but a fee is required to get the records. Under the Patriot Jonathan Robbins on all accepted applications is son John born 1751. John's sons, Robert and Jonathan are used. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1582 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-07-18 20:03:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS SR & Jr, both d 1796 Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: The full transcriptions can be seen at: http://www.mlake.net/robins/Sources/JonathanRobinsSr-Inv1796.txt and http://www.mlake.net/robins/Sources/JonathanRobinsJr-Inv1796.txt I don't have (or can't locate) the documents themselves. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net > Date: Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:08 am ((PDT)) > > Sara, > > Have you seen the originals of these records? Do you have more details > for these records? I’d like to know for certain that they aren’t for the > same Jonathan Robins. > > 1796.0ct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Sr Alexandria twp, Hunterdon Co > Admin Jonathan Robins, Greenwich twp, Sussex Co > Inv by John Cooley; William Mettler both of Alexandria twp > > 1796,Oct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Jr Hunterdon, Co. > Admin Jonathan Johnson > Inv by John Cooley, William Mettler both of Alexandria twp -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1583 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-19 03:09:09 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Message: The DAR applications for Patriot Jonathan Robbins (1722-1796) have a birth year of about 1748 for son John. I think it very likely this is the source of son Jonathan’s birthday being given as about 1748. The first application is dated 1952. Some of the family files on ancestry.com have John and Jonathan mixed up, with the birth years varying between 1748 and 1751 and Jonathan being John. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:30 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, That was not a good email I sent. In my DAR search under the Patriot Jonathan Robbins (1722-1796) are 3 approved applications. The applicants all descend from Jonathan’s son, John. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, A Patriot search on DAR for Jonathan Robbins gives only 1 result, Jonathan Robbins Sr. Possibly I missed something. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Garry, See page 40 of the Robins, Robbins book. This is all I know about the DAR birth dates for Jonathan Robins, Sr. abt. 1722-1796 & his two sons. I believe Judy K. Arthur a member of the previous group applied for the DAR m embership for Jonathan Robins, Sr. & his sons Jonathan, Jr. & John. The information on page 40 comes from Judy & another former member Gary Robins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR Sara, The DAR website gives a descendant chart, but a fee is required to get the records. Under the Patriot Jonathan Robbins on all accepted applications is son John born 1751. John's sons, Robert and Jonathan are used. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1584 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-19 03:52:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS SR & Jr, both d 1796 Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Thanks. I see Jonathan Jr. had a lot of bees, 17 swarms. He didn’t need to buy honey to make his metheglin. Jonathan Jr. was not a Quaker. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:03 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS SR & Jr, both d 1796 Hunterdon Co, NJ The full transcriptions can be seen at: http://www.mlake.net/robins/Sources/JonathanRobinsSr-Inv1796.txt and http://www.mlake.net/robins/Sources/JonathanRobinsJr-Inv1796.txt I don't have (or can't locate) the documents themselves. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@... > Date: Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:08 am ((PDT)) > > Sara, > > Have you seen the originals of these records? Do you have more details > for these records? I’d like to know for certain that they aren’t for the > same Jonathan Robins. > > 1796.0ct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Sr Alexandria twp, Hunterdon Co > Admin Jonathan Robins, Greenwich twp, Sussex Co > Inv by John Cooley; William Mettler both of Alexandria twp > > 1796,Oct 18 ROBINS, Jonathan Jr Hunterdon, Co. > Admin Jonathan Johnson > Inv by John Cooley, William Mettler both of Alexandria twp -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1585 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-07-19 13:50:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS SR & Jr, both d 1796 Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Of 2 things we are certain, death and taxes. Sometimes I think being a little older helps in genealogy because there are some thing we will never know but being in it means we would like to. Not knowing how exactly JFK was assasinated bugs me but not as much as it did when I was in 8th grade. Following thread but not as easy on cell phone. It is atrociously hot and muggy here. Minnesotans known for obsessions with weather so will st op. Older people are filling hospital, it looks to me. Meant to write earlier, just spent 4 days with my remaining uncle Frank at Mayo, Mankato Minnesota hospital.My brother Matt just got home from vacay and is taking t he helm again. Thanks are in order for Mayo. Every time in lounge turn off tv as either healthcare, Russia or horrible shooting in Twin Cities is too much for me although I care. This is too newsy and not enough Robbins . Appreciate your work. I am looking forward to closer examination. Trying to nail down John D Robbins mother has me perplexed but not able to do much. Pouring down rain. Should be home in a hour or so then re-enter my life for awhile. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 5:52 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Thanks. I see Jonathan Jr. had a lot of bees, 17 swarms. He didn’t need to buy honey to make his metheglin. Jonathan Jr. was not a Quaker. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:03 PMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS SR & Jr, both d 1796 Hunterdon Co, NJ The full transcriptions can be seen at: http://www.mlake.net/robins/Sources/JonathanRobinsSr-Inv1796.txt and http://www.mlake.net/robins/Sources/JonathanRobinsJr-Inv1796.txt I don't have (or can't locate) the documents themselves. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:08 am ((PDT)) > > Sara, > > Have you seen the originals of these records? Do you have more details > for these records? 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Post Date/Time:2017-07-20 10:55:08 Subject:Daniel Robbins/Pearce Message: Daniel Robbins born about 1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ, son of Daniel who died in 1763 and Frances who remarried John Pierce/Pearce. I’ve seen information indicating John Pearce died in 1778 in Augusta County, Virginia. I think this is a different John Pearce. This John Pearce was married 1st to Elizabeth Brower, then 2nd to Anna Alexander. In his Will written 19 March 1776, he states, “grandson Daniel Pearce, son of my son Daniel Pearce”. The Will was Probated Sept. 1778. This John Pearce owned land in Greenwich Twp, Warren County, NJ. He deeded some or all of it to his sons John and Andrew. This land was later sold to John Sharps, who was a large land owner. When the lands were sold to John Sharps, John was of Virginia and Andrew of Allegheny County, PA. The Augusta County referred to was not a County, but rather the District of West Augusta. It included the counties of Yohogania and Monongalia. John Pearce is mentioned in these counties. The part of these counties that were in the present state of Pennsylvania became Washington, Allegheny, Fayette Counties, and others, counties where Robbins lived. I've also seen information suggesting the Daniel Pearce who moved to McMinn County, Tennessee was the son of Jeremiah Pearce. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1587 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-20 11:07:18 Subject:Early Robbins in SW Pennsylvania Message: From the Tenmile Country and It's Pioneer Families Assessment Roll Springhill Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania for the year 1773 (Copied from Veach's "Monongahela of Old" Daniel Robbins John Robbins Note: In 1773, Bedford County encompassed all of southwest Pennsylvania. Westmoreland was formed in Feb. 1773 from Bedford County. Washington County was formed from Westmoreland in 1781, both areas of which would ha ve been included in Springhill Township in 1773. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1588 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-20 13:00:30 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins/Pearce Message: Garry, Thanks for posting this information. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:55 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins/Pearce Daniel Robbins born about 1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ, son of Daniel who died in 1763 and Frances who remarried John Pierce/Pearce. I’ve seen information indicating John Pearce died in 1778 in Augusta County, Virginia. I think this is a different John Pearce. This John Pearce was married 1st to Elizabeth Brower, then 2nd to Anna Alexander. In his Will written 19 March 1776, he states, “grandson Daniel Pearce, son of my son Daniel Pearce”. The Will was Probated Sept. 1778. This John Pearce owned land in Greenwich Twp, Warren County, NJ. He deeded some or all of it to his sons John and Andrew. This land was later sold to John Sharps, who was a large land owner. When the lands were sold to John Sharps, John was of Virginia and Andrew of Allegheny County, PA. The Augusta County referred to was not a County, but rather the District of West Augusta. It included the counties of Yohogania and Monongalia. John Pearce is mentioned in these counties. The part of these counties t hat were in the present state of Pennsylvania became Washington, Allegheny, Fayette Counties, and others, counties where Robbins lived. I've also seen information suggesting the Daniel Pearce who moved to McMinn County, Tennessee was the son of Jeremiah Pearce. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1589 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-07-20 18:31:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins/Pearce Message: Revolutionary War pension claim a. 11313 , Peter Robbins born 1752 or 1753, Soituate, Rhode Island. Living in Howard NY at the time of his pension Found this while searching . Sent from my iPad > On Jul 20, 2017, at 3:00 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Garry, > > Thanks for posting this information. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:55 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins/Pearce > > > > > > Daniel Robbins born about 1758 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ, son of Daniel who died in 1763 and Frances who remarried John Pierce/Pearce. > > > > I’ve seen information indicating John Pearce died in 1778 in Augusta County, Virginia. I think this is a different John Pearce. > > > > This John Pearce was married 1st to Elizabeth Brower, then 2nd to Anna Alexander. > > > > In his Will written 19 March 1776, he states, “grandson Daniel Pearce, son of my son Daniel Pearce”. The Will was Probated Sept. 1778. > > > > This John Pearce owned land in Greenwich Twp, Warren County, NJ. He deeded some or all of it to his sons John and Andrew. This land was later sold to John Sharps, who was a large land owner. When the lands were sol d to John Sharps, John was of Virginia and Andrew of Allegheny County, PA. > > > > The Augusta County referred to was not a County, but rather the District of West Augusta. It included the counties of Yohogania and Monongalia. John Pearce is mentioned in these counties. The part of these counties that were in the present state of Pennsylvania became Washington, Allegheny, Fayette Counties, and others, counties where Robbins lived. > > > > I've also seen information suggesting the Daniel Pearce who moved to McMinn County, Tennessee was the son of Jeremiah Pearce. > > > > Garry > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1590 Sender:Hello Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-07-20 21:35:47 Subject:Musing about Abraham Robins Message: Hello All I am researching Robbins from the Knowlton area where my Anna Robins married in 1803 Who is the young Abraham Robbins in the 1830 Knowlton census a few doors down from Issac Robins? Desperation causes me to speculate on naming patterns. In 1840 Columbia PA is John Jersey Robins son of Issac. His first 2 children are named (perhaps) after his parents Isaac and Bathsheba/Barbara Robins. The 3 child is named Abraham. Perhaps an Abraham is a maternal grandfather and is the father of Ann, the unknown wife of Daniel who died 1804 Warmly Barbara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1591 Sender:Hello Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-07-20 22:22:58 Subject:DNA test Message: I have a question about whether i should try a Robins DNA test. I did take a DNA test (and my brother also) for Ancestry. However, I was very disappointed that the only matches were to my Belknap's (out of 217 families) My relation to Anna Robins born 1792 descends to Anna Ferguson Sarah Hiegel Ellsworth Marquis Male Marquis Male Marquis female Marquis female Anderson. Is it possible that my Robins bloodline is to diluted for a good match?😉 Thank you for any suggestions barbara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1592 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-21 02:22:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Early Robbins in SW Pennsylvania Message: I’ve learned this record is for the Robbins of Fayette County, PA, which was formed in 1783 from Westmoreland. Garry From: gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:07 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Early Robbins in SW Pennsylvania From the Tenmile Country and It's Pioneer Families Assessment Roll Springhill Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania for the year 1773 (Copied from Veach's "Monongahela of Old" Daniel Robbins John Robbins Note: In 1773, Bedford County encompassed all of southwest Pennsylvania. Westmoreland was formed in Feb. 1773 from Bedford County. Washington County was formed from Westmoreland in 1781, both areas of which would hav e been included in Springhill Township in 1773. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1593 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-21 03:25:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Musing about Abraham Robins Message: There may be a naming pattern, but John Jersey’s son’s full name was Abraham Lincoln Robbins. He also had a son named George Washington Robbins. Abraham could be a son of Isaac. The missing census of 1810 and 1820 would help us. From the 1830 census for Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ: Robbins, Abraham B. 10101-00001 Note: Abraham was aged in his 20’s This may not be the same Abraham, but I don’t have any other that matches: From the 1850 census for Phelps, Ontario County, NY: Robins, Abram B. 41 Machinist NJ Elizabeth 39 NY From the 1860 census for Phelps, Ontario County, NY: Robins, Abram B. 52 Day Laborer NJ Betsey E. 51 NY Abram died in Phelps on 22 Apr, 1878. Garry From: Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:35 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Musing about Abraham Robins Hello All I am researching Robbins from the Knowlton area where my Anna Robins married in 1803 Who is the young Abraham Robbins in the 1830 Knowlton census a few doors down from Issac Robins? Desperation causes me to speculate on naming patterns. In 1840 Columbia PA is John Jersey Robins son of Issac. His first 2 children are named (perhaps) after his parents Isaac and Bathsheba/Barbara Robins. The 3 child is named Abraham. Perhaps an Abraham is a maternal grandfather and is the father of Ann, the unknown wife of Daniel who died 1804 Warmly Barbara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1594 Sender:Donnaudc Post Date/Time:2017-07-21 09:19:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 Message: Hello All, I have been reading all of your posts and was wondering if anyone had any more information about William Robbins (NC) from (1755-1816). I believe that I descend from him through Millard Robbins d.1925 in MO. I have a relative who has posted in Geni states that he believes Millard is the son of James H Robbins and grandson of Major John Robbins. I do not believe that James H is the son of Major John Robbins for the followin g reasons: 1. Major John Robbins son was named James W Robbins and died in 1887 in TN. 2. We know that James H Robbins died between 1860-1870. His widow (Kathrine) remarried and moved to Missouri with my grandfather Millard. 3. Millard was not listed as James W Robbins children. I know that there is a kit for James H. And I found through Tamara Robbins Research of (James Robbins family of Spartanburg Co., SC), that James (b. 1786) listed a "Millard" as one of his "grandchildren" in his will. Millard being a pretty unusual name and Polly possibly the son of John (the miller) Cantrell, I thought this quite a coincidence. Tamara also lists a James as a son of his born in 1830 which would match our family rec ords for Millard's father. It also makes sense that he was still part of James, Sr. household at the age of 20 (census 1850) but then is not heard from again in SC. I was wondering if there was anyway we could find out if James H is actually the son of James Robbins of Spartanburg?? Can we compare DNA for the two? Has this been done yet? It could be the link to William that we are looking for.. Thanks for your help. Donna Crowder 919-669-7580 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Robbins rer.480@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Tue, Jun 27, 2017 10:03 pm Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Job Robins died 1756 I am reading with interest the accounts of Daniel Robins died 1802. Sounds like a family member all right...LOL. Anyway, Daniel was supposed to be John Robins' son, not Job. Richard Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1595 Sender:Hello Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-07-21 19:38:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Musing about Abraham Robins Message: Hi Gerry Thank you for the info on Abraham. I never thought of looking in Canada. Because of what seems to be a Canada connection, I will put Abraham away as a son of Issac. Abraham's middle name of Lincoln is interesting since our president Lincoln was not yet born.😉 I guess PA is the place to look. My Anna Robins moved from Knowlton to the Berks and Lancaster area of PA about 1808 (because her husband was a surveyor). Thank you again for taking time for me. Barbara Los Gatos CA On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:25 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > There may be a naming pattern, but John Jersey’s son’s full name was > Abraham Lincoln Robbins. He also had a son named George Washington Robbins. > > Abraham could be a son of Isaac. The missing census of 1810 and 1820 > would help us. > > From the 1830 census for Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ: > Robbins, Abraham B. 10101-00001 > Note: Abraham was aged in his 20’s > > This may not be the same Abraham, but I don’t have any other that matches: > From the 1850 census for Phelps, Ontario County, NY: > Robins, Abram B. 41 Machinist NJ > Elizabeth 39 NY > > From the 1860 census for Phelps, Ontario County, NY: > Robins, Abram B. 52 Day Laborer NJ > Betsey E. 51 NY > > Abram died in Phelps on 22 Apr, 1878. > > Garry > > *From:* Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 12:35 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Musing about Abraham Robins > > > > Hello All > > I am researching Robbins from the Knowlton area where my Anna Robins > married in 1803 > > Who is the young Abraham Robbins in the 1830 Knowlton census a few doors > down from Issac Robins? > > Desperation causes me to speculate on naming patterns. > > In 1840 Columbia PA is John Jersey Robins son of Issac. His first 2 > children are named (perhaps) after his parents Isaac and Bathsheba/Barbara > Robins. The 3 child is named Abraham. > > Perhaps an Abraham is a maternal grandfather and is the father of Ann, the > unknown wife of Daniel who died 1804 > > Warmly > Barbara > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1596 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-22 02:23:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Musing about Abraham Robins Message: Barbara, Ontario County, New York, it’s a short distance southeast of Rochester, below Lake Ontario. Garry From: Hello Mclean mclean811@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:38 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Musing about Abraham Robins Hi Gerry Thank you for the info on Abraham. I never thought of looking in Canada. Because of what seems to be a Canada connection, I will put Abraham away as a son of Issac. Abraham's middle name of Lincoln is interesting since our president Lincoln was not yet born.😉 I guess PA is the place to look. My Anna Robins moved from Knowlton to the Berks and Lancaster area of PA about 1808 (because her husband was a surveyor). Thank you again for taking time for me. Barbara Los Gatos CA On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:25 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: There may be a naming pattern, but John Jersey’s son’s full name was Abraham Lincoln Robbins. He also had a son named George Washington Robbins. Abraham could be a son of Isaac. The missing census of 1810 and 1820 would help us. From the 1830 census for Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ: Robbins, Abraham B. 10101-00001 Note: Abraham was aged in his 20’s This may not be the same Abraham, but I don’t have any other that matches: From the 1850 census for Phelps, Ontario County, NY: Robins, Abram B. 41 Machinist NJ Elizabeth 39 NY From the 1860 census for Phelps, Ontario County, NY: Robins, Abram B. 52 Day Laborer NJ Betsey E. 51 NY Abram died in Phelps on 22 Apr, 1878. Garry From: Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:35 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Musing about Abraham Robins Hello All I am researching Robbins from the Knowlton area where my Anna Robins married in 1803 Who is the young Abraham Robbins in the 1830 Knowlton census a few doors down from Issac Robins? Desperation causes me to speculate on naming patterns. In 1840 Columbia PA is John Jersey Robins son of Issac. His first 2 children are named (perhaps) after his parents Isaac and Bathsheba/Barbara Robins. The 3 child is named Abraham. Perhaps an Abraham is a maternal grandfather and is the father of Ann, the unknown wife of Daniel who died 1804 Warmly Barbara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1597 Sender:Mary Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-07-22 09:07:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Early Robbins in SW Pennsylvania Message: This is where I jump in and out of the Robbins conversation. My father's line lived in SW PA for six or seven generations. The Cornerstone Genealogical Society has an awesome little library in Waynesburg. I have visit ed a number of times and the volunteers actively assist to make the most of your time. I recently took advantage of my membership and submitted a research request form on Daniel Robins of Springhill Twp. On the form yo u share what you know already and what you want them to look for. Long story short, there are only two primary source records on this Daniel, that I know about. 1. Daniel applied for a land grant in Springhill Twp. (Ea st of New Geneva), in January of 1785, it was later granted to William Robins. On the same day (23 Apr 1793) that William was granted Daniel's 381.5 acres called Fidelity, William was also granted a 175.75 acre tract ca lled Reliance from James Borden.2. Daniel's oral will was recorded by his son Richard in March of 1785, after Daniel's death. Will includes sons Richard & John (to attend mill); daughter Mercy; brothers John & William, and John Lucas (husband of Jemima Robins). In addition, I found an old newspaper article (a column called Back in Olden Times), from the early 1900's. It was a biography of a local resident named Thomas Clare. He purch ased land from 'heirs of Daniel Robins', and also land from William Robins. My line descends from William and Mary Evans Robins. I haven't found a will for him. His family is found in 1800 federal census, Cass Twp., Monongalia Co. WV. Based on the time period, I am looking at 'my' William as t he possible brother to Daniel, who died in 1785. But, I don't have any other records to go by. I'm always glad to hear from Robbins descendants from SW PA.Mary RobbinsDenton, MD On Friday, July 21, 2017, 5:22:54 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I’ve learned this record is for the Robbins of Fayette County, PA, which was formed in 1783 from Westmoreland. Garry From: gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:07 PMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@ yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Early Robbins in SW Pennsylvania From the Tenmile Country and It's Pioneer Families Assessment Roll Springhill Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania for the year 1773 (Copied from Veach's "Monongahela of Old" Daniel Robbins John Robbins Note: In 1773, Bedford County encompassed all of southwest Pennsylvania. Westmoreland was formed in Feb. 1773 from Bedford County. Washington County was formed from Westmoreland in 1781, both areas of which would hav e been included in Springhill Township in 1773. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1598 Sender:Hello Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-07-22 15:14:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Musing about Abraham Robins Message: My head hangs in shame over my careless mistake. You listed Phelps, Ontario County NY and all I focused on was Ontario, Thank you for the correction..........Guess i need to slow down! barbara On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:23 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Barbara, > > Ontario County, New York, it’s a short distance southeast of Rochester, > below Lake Ontario. > > Garry > > *From:* Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 10:38 PM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Musing about Abraham Robins > > > > Hi Gerry > > Thank you for the info on Abraham. I never thought of looking in Canada. > Because of what seems to be a Canada connection, I will put Abraham away > as a son of Issac. > > Abraham's middle name of Lincoln is interesting since our president > Lincoln was not yet born.😉 > > I guess PA is the place to look. My Anna Robins moved from Knowlton to > the Berks and Lancaster area of PA about 1808 (because her husband was a > surveyor). > > Thank you again for taking time for me. > > Barbara > Los Gatos CA > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:25 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > >> >> There may be a naming pattern, but John Jersey’s son’s full name was >> Abraham Lincoln Robbins. He also had a son named George Washington Robbins. >> >> Abraham could be a son of Isaac. The missing census of 1810 and 1820 >> would help us. >> >> From the 1830 census for Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ: >> Robbins, Abraham B. 10101-00001 >> Note: Abraham was aged in his 20’s >> >> This may not be the same Abraham, but I don’t have any other that matches: >> From the 1850 census for Phelps, Ontario County, NY: >> Robins, Abram B. 41 Machinist NJ >> Elizabeth 39 NY >> >> From the 1860 census for Phelps, Ontario County, NY: >> Robins, Abram B. 52 Day Laborer NJ >> Betsey E. 51 NY >> >> Abram died in Phelps on 22 Apr, 1878. >> >> Garry >> >> *From:* Hello Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 12:35 AM >> *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Musing about Abraham Robins >> >> >> Hello All >> >> I am researching Robbins from the Knowlton area where my Anna Robins >> married in 1803 >> >> Who is the young Abraham Robbins in the 1830 Knowlton census a few doors >> down from Issac Robins? >> >> Desperation causes me to speculate on naming patterns. >> >> In 1840 Columbia PA is John Jersey Robins son of Issac. His first 2 >> children are named (perhaps) after his parents Isaac and Bathsheba/Barbara >> Robins. The 3 child is named Abraham. >> >> Perhaps an Abraham is a maternal grandfather and is the father of Ann, >> the unknown wife of Daniel who died 1804 >> >> Warmly >> Barbara >> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1599 Sender:Kathy Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-07-22 17:36:23 Subject:1868 - 1911 Diaries of Rosina Smith of Sullivan Township, Tioga County PA - Joyce M. Tice 2007 Message: Many many Robbins mentioned plus George and Levi Robbins obits. Levi, I believe from MA http://www.joycetice.com/diaries/rosina.htm Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1600 Sender:Kathy Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-07-22 17:59:14 Subject:Re: 1868 - 1911 Diaries of Rosina Smith of Sullivan Township, Tioga County PA - Joyce M. Tice 2007 Message: Don't miss Robbins pictures and the map. Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1601 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-23 04:50:06 Subject:Moravian Robins Message: I've found Robins marriage records at the Moravian Church, Bethlehem, PA: - 1742, Dec. 12/23 Robins, Anna Elisabetha and Christian Heinrich Rauch - 1743, March 9 (N.S.) Robins, Johanna and John Okely - 1742, June 29/July 10 Robins, Maria and Christian Froelich - 1746, Aug. 28 Robins, Sara and Peter Peterson Bethlehem, PA, is in Northampton County, not far west of Easton, which borders New Jersey. Joanna Robins was born 1715 in Philadelphia. Sarah Robins was born 1708 in Philadelphia. At least one of the Robins had a mother named Rebecca who was a widow when she married. At lease two of the spouses were Moravian ministers. The German Moravian Church wanted to make Christians of the Indians. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1602 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-07-25 04:38:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Early Robbins in SW Pennsylvania Message: Mary, I was thinking William Robbins born 1761 was part of these early Robbins in Fayette County, PA, but it seems that isn’t so, since William came to Fayette County after getting married. Where do Daniel, John, and William of Fayette County, PA, fit in to the Robins/Robbins families? Daniel and John were in Fayette County by 1773. Supposedly, improvements on Daniel’s original land grant were started in Mar. 1771. Daniel’s daughter, Jemima, was born in 1768, suggesting Daniel was probably born by about 1745. His 1785 Will suggests possibly earlier. Jacob Robbins, among the Fayette County Robbins, married Frances Phillips, daughter of Theophilis Phillips born 1735 Hunterdon County, NJ, who was also an early resident of Fayette County. Garry From: Mary Robbins merobbins336@...m [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:07 PM To: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Early Robbins in SW Pennsylvania This is where I jump in and out of the Robbins conversation. My father's line lived in SW PA for six or seven generations. The Cornerstone Genealogical Society has an awesome little library in Waynesburg. I have visited a number of times and the volunteers actively assist to make the most of your time. I recently took advantage of my membe rship and submitted a research request form on Daniel Robins of Springhill Twp. On the form you share what you know already and what you want them to look for. Long story short, there are only two primary source records on this Daniel, that I know about. 1. Daniel applied for a land grant in Springhill Twp. (East of New Geneva), in January of 1785, it was later granted to William Robins. On the same day (23 Apr 1793) that William was granted Daniel's 381.5 acres called Fidelity, William was also granted a 175.75 acre tract called Reliance from James Borden. 2. Daniel's oral will was recorded by his son Richard in March of 1785, after Daniel's death. Will includes sons Richard & John (to attend mill); daughter Mercy; brothers John & William, and John Lucas (husband of Jemim a Robins). In addition, I found an old newspaper article (a column called Back in Olden Times), from the early 1900's. It was a biography of a local resident named Thomas Clare. He purchased land from 'heirs of Daniel Robins', an d also land from William Robins. My line descends from William and Mary Evans Robins. I haven't found a will for him. His family is found in 1800 federal census, Cass Twp., Monongalia Co. WV. Based on the time period, I am looking at 'my' William as t he possible brother to Daniel, who died in 1785. But, I don't have any other records to go by. I'm always glad to hear from Robbins descendants from SW PA. Mary Robbins Denton, MD On Friday, July 21, 2017, 5:22:54 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I’ve learned this record is for the Robbins of Fayette County, PA, which was formed in 1783 from Westmoreland. Garry From: gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:07 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Early Robbins in SW Pennsylvania From the Tenmile Country and It's Pioneer Families Assessment Roll Springhill Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania for the year 1773 (Copied from Veach's "Monongahela of Old" Daniel Robbins John Robbins Note: In 1773, Bedford County encompassed all of southwest Pennsylvania. Westmoreland was formed in Feb. 1773 from Bedford County. Washington County was formed from Westmoreland in 1781, both areas of which would hav e been included in Springhill Township in 1773. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1603 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-25 09:27:50 Subject:Daniel Robbins Sharpshooter Message: I'm looking for information on Daniel Robbins from Western Pennsylvania who was a sharpshooter with Morgan's Rifle Corp. during the Revolutionary War. Apparently, John Taylor researched him. Also, he was "befriended b y Van Swearingen". Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1604 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-07-25 09:50:16 Subject:Thomas Robbins born 1760 Message: I just noticed something interesting (to me) concerning Thomas Robbins born 1760, son of William who died in 1811 in Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. In Thomas' War record it says he was born in Sussex County, NJ. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1605 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-07-25 15:23:58 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Sharpshooter Message: Garry, I believe you are referring to Benjamin Robbins b. 1760, Burlington Co., NJ, d. 1837 P.E.I, Canada not Daniel Robbins that John W. Taylor, Jr. researched. According to John, he was never able to place the origin of rifl e man Benjamin Robbins of Morgan’s Rifle Company as Benjamin Robbins his ancestor because of lack of records. John speculated Benjamin Robbins joined Col. Morgan in July 1777, the same date General Washington issued ord ers to Morgan’s Rifle Corps to recruit volunteers in NJ near Benjamin’s home. I don’t know the basis for how Benjamin Robbins was “befriended by Van Swearingen.” John’s theory on Benjamin Robbins can be found in his boo k Richard Robins, Loyalist pgs. 79, 80, 245, 246 published in 1995. This subject was of interest to John because Benjamin Robbins’ father Richard Robins 1724-1785 was a Quaker & a Loyalist. Richard Robins spent 20 mon ths in NJ & Philadelphia jails & was exiled to Prince Edward Island, Canada in 1783. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robbins Sharpshooter I'm looking for information on Daniel Robbins from Western Pennsylvania who was a sharpshooter with Morgan's Rifle Corp. during the Revolutionary War. Apparently, John Taylor researched him. Also, he was "befriended b y Van Swearingen". Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1606 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-05 10:28:41 Subject:Re: DNA test Message: You've taken an Autosomal DNA test at Ancestry, so matching to the STR based Y-DNA is not possible. Have you searched by surname in Ancestry? If you go to your DNA page, and click on your matches, to the right is a button that says Search Matches. Putting Robbins in the surname box brings up everyone with Robbins in t heir trees, that also matches you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1607 Sender:Moria Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-08-05 16:34:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA test Message: Thank you so much for your advice. I had never noticed the filter for last name search. That filter is a very handy tool. ( I can be a bit of an airhead at times😉) I have joined the newbie list for DNA so that I might understand the terminology. i.e. STR based Y-DNA Thank you very much for taking the time to help me Barbara- Los Gatos CA On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 10:28 AM, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > You've taken an Autosomal DNA test at Ancestry, so matching to the STR > based Y-DNA is not possible. > > Have you searched by surname in Ancestry? If you go to your DNA page, and > click on your matches, to the right is a button that says Search Matches. > Putting Robbins in the surname box brings up everyone with Robbins in their > trees, that also matches you. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1608 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-05 19:52:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA test Message: Checking the names on the left side of the result page for the match gives you which names they match with. It's no guarantee that you actually match the Robbins, since there's numerous families that have different hapl ogroups than the one you need to match. Do you have a Robbins male that is willing to take a Y DNA test? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1609 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-05 20:18:33 Subject:Robbins/Robins DNA - Big Y and Y full. Message: Testing with FTDNA for the Big Y and submitting the file to Y full has been rewarding. We've gotten a new haplogroup, which came from Yfull, R-Y34195 is the designation. FTDNA is still showing R-M64, but that's ok. All 3 members of the Robbins/Robins group 1 tested this way. There are "private" SNP values that We also match on. One member seems to have a bit more time to the most recent common ancestor... I wonder if that denotes a child of Daniel, vs a common child of one of the children of Daniel. Or, a separate male kin of Daniel? I can't say right now. Right now, myself and another Robins have 375 year estimation from 1950 for our common ancestor. That is not set in stone, of course, but a good estimation, and a good match. The other Robins out there matches a little earlier, which pushes the 3 of us to a 450 ybp date, so I'm not sure yet. A big Y test submitted to YFull.com gives STR matches like the FTDNA group we have. 500 or so, although none of that gets transferred to FTDNA. DYS 425 is still 0 on that site too, so that carries on. Difference in th is test, is that there are PRIVATE STR's that I match the 2 Robins gents with. One has 1, the other, 2. Also, 2 STR's with a Russian gent. If any of you that are in that Group 1 that want to help further narrow this down, Big Y testing and submission to Y full would be a huge help in pushing the research forward. It's on sale, as most of you may know, so if you are interested at all in any of this... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1610 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-09 07:03:11 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Hey Sara and Garry, Can I butt in here? I've seen the inventory lists for John and Jonathan and am wondering why they have the same date. I have no historical knowledge of how they did things back then. Was the inventory always done after death? I can't reme mber which one it was, but one of the lists also has a date two years later. Thanks! Cindy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1611 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-09 07:05:06 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: SORRY I meant Jonathan and Jonathan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1612 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-08-09 14:08:45 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Cindy, Thanks for your questions. I have no idea why the inventories of Jonathan Robins S.r & Jonathan Robins, Jr. were taken on the same day. Maybe the appraisers John Cooley & William Mettler decided October 18, 1796 was a convenient day for them to m eet & take both inventories. I don’t think we will ever know the reason but it is a good question. Inventories of an estate were done after death. The later date of Feb. 2, 1798 for the estate of Jonathan Robins Sr. was for a deposition given by Jonathan Robins his grandson. This was his sworn testimony that the account of the estate was to the best of his knowledge “just and true.” Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 7:03 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Hey Sara and Garry, Can I butt in here? I've seen the inventory lists for John and Jonathan and am wondering why they have the same date. I have no historical knowledge of how they did things back then. Was the inventory always done after death? I can't remem ber which one it was, but one of the lists also has a date two years later. Thanks! Cindy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1613 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-08-24 12:27:31 Subject:Jesse L ROBBINS Message: Might anyone here know the parentage of Jesse L ROBBINS ? He married Anna Virginia LOTT 14 Apr 1877 in Hunterdon County, NJ. They were living in Warren County, NJ in 1880. They had at least 2 children: Henrietta D (1877-1946) and Albert. Henrietta married Roger Sherman THARP (1876-1947). Roger son of Jonas Jarrard THARP & Elizabeth Ann ROBINS. Elizabeth daughter of Jonathan ROBINS & Charity LOMPING. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1614 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-08-24 13:24:19 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jesse L ROBBINS Message: Marshall, The parents of Jesse L. Robbins who was born 10-12-1849, Bethlehem, Hunterdon Co. NJ & died 11-20-1882 Warren Co., NJ were Levi & Elizabeth Morgan Robbins. He is on the 1850 Hunterdon Co., census with parents. Levi Robbins was the son of Isaac & Mary Rupel Robbins. This line goes back to Daniel Robins, Jr. I'm fairly certain you are familiar with this line back to Daniel Jr. once you see the connection of Jesse to Levi to Isaac. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 12:28 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jesse L ROBBINS Might anyone here know the parentage of Jesse L ROBBINS ? He married Anna Virginia LOTT 14 Apr 1877 in Hunterdon County, NJ. They were living in Warren County, NJ in 1880. They had at least 2 children: Henrietta D (1877-1946) and Albert. Henrietta married Roger Sherman THARP (1876-1947). Roger son of Jonas Jarrard THARP & Elizabeth Ann ROBINS. Elizabeth daughter of Jonathan ROBINS & Charity LOMPING. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1615 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-08-24 20:03:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jesse L ROBBINS Message: Thanks a million, Sara. By the way, in a ROBINS family record Mary RUPEL is identified as the daughter of Joseph RUPEL. But in the [transcribed] will of Joseph the surname is spelled RUPLE. The transcribed will is from "More Records of Old Hunterdon County, Vol II", Phyllis B. D'Autrechy, 2000. > The parents of Jesse L. Robbins who was born 10-12-1849, Bethlehem, > Hunterdon Co. NJ & died 11-20-1882 Warren Co., NJ were Levi & Elizabeth > Morgan Robbins. He is on the 1850 Hunterdon Co., census with parents. > Levi Robbins was the son of Isaac & Mary Rupel Robbins. This line goes > back to Daniel Robins, Jr. I'm fairly certain you are familiar with this > line back to Daniel Jr. once you see the connection of Jesse to Levi to > Isaac. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1616 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-25 07:05:37 Subject:Ancestry, 23 and me, FTDNA autosomal result searches. Message: I was just searching my matches on Ancestry, and found that if I search with the surname Robins or Robbins within my matches, I bring up quite a few people that seem to match my genealogy, Sussex and Warren county Robbi ns, for instance. I was wondering if anyone else has found that to be true. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1617 Sender:Bob Robins Post Date/Time:2017-08-25 08:05:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ancestry, 23 and me, FTDNA autosomal result searches. Message: I get about 40-50 of those matches, mostly earlier NJ Robins/Robbins but aside from my sister only one directly connected on my Robins line. Unfortunately he, a 3rd cousin once removed, died a few months before I had my AnestryDNA test done earlier this year and I haven't been able to track down any of his descendants yet. The rest are distant cousins and appear to connect through my other lines, many of which also originate in NJ. ⁣Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD​ On Aug 25, 2017, 10:09 AM, at 10:09 AM, "richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: >I was just searching my matches on Ancestry, and found that if I search >with the surname Robins or Robbins within my matches, I bring up quite >a few people that seem to match my genealogy, Sussex and Warren county >Robbins, for instance. I was wondering if anyone else has found that to >be true. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1618 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-08-25 19:50:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Ancestry, 23 and me, FTDNA autosomal result searches. Message: Have you guys uploaded your autosomal results to gedmatch.com? I'm not familiar with matching on Ancestry but I would think you would get even more matches on gedmatch. > Posted by: richard.robbins13@... richard.robbins13 > Date: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:05 am ((PDT)) > > I was just searching my matches on Ancestry, and found that if I search > with the surname Robins or Robbins within my matches, I bring up quite a > few people that seem to match my genealogy, Sussex and Warren county > Robbins, for instance. I was wondering if anyone else has found that to > be true. > Posted by: "Bob Robins" bob@... l2vqnh4xk5nmqs2akwkcdjec74ajmmsgdj3dn3ry > Date: Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:05 am ((PDT)) > > I get about 40-50 of those matches, mostly earlier NJ Robins/Robbins but > aside from my sister only one directly connected on my Robins line. > Unfortunately he, a 3rd cousin once removed, died a few months before I > had my AnestryDNA test done earlier this year and I haven't been able to > track down any of his descendants yet. The rest are distant cousins and > appear to connect through my other lines, many of which also originate in > NJ. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1619 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-26 19:42:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Ancestry, 23 and me, FTDNA autosomal result searches. Message: I am on Gedmatch, but limited to 2500 matches as is everyone there. Also, there's the randomness of recombination, where some dna may not match me, but matches others. Aren't you related to the Woolvertons? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1620 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-08-27 20:50:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ancestry, 23 and me, FTDNA autosomal result searches. Message: Was that question directed toward me? I have several WOLVERTON/WOOLVERTONs in my tree but none in my direct ancestry. It seems there's a ROBINS who married a WOLVERTON. Elizabeth ROBINS (b c1722, dau of John ROBINS & Elener ------) married Joel WOLVERTON. > I am on Gedmatch, but limited to 2500 matches as is everyone there. Also, > there's the randomness of recombination, where some dna may not match me, > but matches others. Aren't you related to the Woolvertons? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1621 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-29 09:20:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ancestry, 23 and me, FTDNA autosomal result searches. Message: Yes, I thought I had read that reference in connection with you. But, no direct connection, so I guess that's just a curiosity that comes with searching DNA match trees. Funny thing is, I'm matching Dils or Diltz as well, They were from what reportedly was my Stephen Robins' first wife,Susanna, but my line is from his second wife Christine. I don't have a last name for her. Wonder if s he's related too... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1622 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-29 09:35:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA test Message: Hi, What's the best DNA test to take, and how do you get it. Trying to talk my remaining uncle to take it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1623 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-08-29 19:13:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ancestry, 23 and me, FTDNA autosomal result searches. Message: DILS/DILTS/DILTZ was a numerous surname in Hunterdon Co. I have many in my data base. > Yes, I thought I had read that reference in connection with you. > > But, no direct connection, so I guess that's just a curiosity that comes > with searching DNA match trees. > > Funny thing is, I'm matching Dils or Diltz as well, They were from what > reportedly was my Stephen Robins' first wife,Susanna, but my line is from > his second wife Christine. I don't have a last name for her. Wonder if > she's related too... -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1624 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-29 22:21:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ancestry, 23 and me, FTDNA autosomal result searches. Message: See if you've got a Christine Dils or Diltz. Curious if that is an actual connection I'm seeing in the DNA or randomness because of the many of the same family in the Hunterdon area. These are in Warren/Sussex though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1625 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-29 22:25:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA test Message: Is he a Robbins, if so, the FTDNA Y DNA would help if he's trying to figure out what group of Robbins he's from in the FTDNA Robbins group. He could find out if he's related to Daniel Robins. But, if not, I like Ancestry's autosomal DNA test. They have a lot of people in their database to match to. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1626 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-30 04:23:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ancestry, 23 and me, FTDNA autosomal result searches. Message: You've done way more research than I. Maybe 20 years ago I started, then stopped after 2-3 years because I could never get beyond my great grandfather Robbins. I'd look every once in a while, such as after working in Ph illie several times, I located and photographed my grandmother's and dad's childhood homes, and where my great grandparents (Keep) lived later in life. I've focused on just the Robbins line. I didn't even know our name started off with just one B. Or that we (maybe) are Scottish. Every new bit of the puzzle is like winning a marathon! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > DILS/DILTS/DILTZ was a numerous surname in Hunterdon Co. I have many in my > data base. > > > Yes, I thought I had read that reference in connection with you. > > > > But, no direct connection, so I guess that's just a curiosity that comes > > with searching DNA match trees. > > > > Funny thing is, I'm matching Dils or Diltz as well, They were from what > > reportedly was my Stephen Robins' first wife,Susanna, but my line is from > > his second wife Christine. I don't have a last name for her. Wonder if > > she's related too... > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1627 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-30 06:49:22 Subject:Re: DNA test Message: Ok, thanks. Yes he is a Robbins. I am following our Robbins line (all males), so it's pure (?). Not sure that's the correct word, but no generation had just females. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1628 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-30 06:49:58 Subject:Re: DNA test Message: And that test we can get from the Robbins Project site? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1629 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-08-30 19:38:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DILS/DILTS/DILTZ (was: Ancestry, 23 and me, FTDNA autosomal result searches.) Message: I don't have any Christine/Christina DILS/DILTS/DILTZ in my tree, but I do see Christine/Christina ------ (married to Adam DILS/DILTS/DILTZ) appearing in Knowlton, Warren County, N. J., Records of the First German and English Congregation, 1760-1844 (Knowlton was in Sussex Co before 1824). You can see these [transcribed] records at http://rogergilbert1.tripod.com/id15.html# > See if you've got a Christine Dils or Diltz. Curious if that is an actual > connection I'm seeing in the DNA or randomness because of the many of the > same family in the Hunterdon area. These are in Warren/Sussex though. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1630 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-30 20:13:31 Subject:Re: DNA test Message: https://www.familytreedna.com/sale https://www.familytreedna.com/sale is the link for the current sale. Your choice as to kit type, but for the project at least the Y-37 should be done to match you up to one of the Robb ins subgroups. You can join the Robbins project if you haven't already at https://www.familytreedna.com/my/group-join.aspx?group=Robbins https://www.familytreedna.com/my/group-join.aspx?group=Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1631 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-31 03:12:23 Subject:Re: DNA test Message: Thanks for the info. Why would anyone take the 111 test if it's more expensive yet only goes back 4 generations, whereas the 37 goes back 8. I tried joining the Robbins Project but the description says it's on,y for males. Which I'm not. It will be hard enough to get our uncle to take the test, let alone joining an online group. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1632 Sender:Bob Robins Post Date/Time:2017-08-31 04:48:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA test Message: I just ordered a Family Friend + Y-37 test for my daughter in law's father and I was sent his kit number and temporary password that I was able to use to set up his account (since I will be managing the kit for him). Wh en his results come in I can log in under his account and join his surname project for him. As long as you have his account login username and password you can take care of everything for him. As far as Y-111, your mileage may vary but you will narrow down your matches, though part of that is just fewer people testing at the higher levels. I started at Y-67 and upgraded to Y-111 after I did the Big Y test jus t to get the best information for the project. Y-37 is a good place to start and you can always upgrade later. ⁣Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD​ On Aug 31, 2017, 6:12 AM, at 6:12 AM, "ck_steger@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: >Thanks for the info. > >Why would anyone take the 111 test if it's more expensive yet only goes >back 4 generations, whereas the 37 goes back 8. >I tried joining the Robbins Project but the description says it's on,y >for males. Which I'm not. It will be hard enough to get our uncle to >take the test, let alone joining an online group. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1633 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-31 05:12:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA test Message: Thx Bob. We know for certain my great-grandfather. BTW, I'm in Williamsburg, VA. Moved from Arlington. Dad was the first of the family to leave PA. I'm assuming the upgrade uses the specimen already collected. Seriously doubt our uncle would do a second kit. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1634 Sender:Bob Robins Post Date/Time:2017-08-31 05:41:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA test Message: Yes if he already has a FamilyTreeDna kit they should be able to do multiple tests from it. I have done 4 tests on my kit. Just order from his account. ⁣Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD​ On Aug 31, 2017, 8:12 AM, at 8:12 AM, "ck_steger@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: >Thx Bob. We know for certain my great-grandfather. BTW, I'm in >Williamsburg, VA. Moved from Arlington. Dad was the first of the family >to leave PA. >I'm assuming the upgrade uses the specimen already collected. Seriously >doubt our uncle would do a second kit. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1635 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-31 15:28:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA test Message: Saw the uncle today. He says he did a 23 (?) test? Maybe you know what that means? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1636 Sender:Bob Robins Post Date/Time:2017-08-31 16:01:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA test Message: Probably 23andMe, which is an autosomal DNA test like the FamilyTreeDna Family Finder test. They do give basic Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups but nothing really transferable and no way to do additional tests on the sample. ⁣Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD​ On Aug 31, 2017, 6:40 PM, at 6:40 PM, "ck_steger@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: >Saw the uncle today. He says he did a 23 (?) test? Maybe you know what >that means? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1637 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-08-31 16:18:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA test Message: Thx. When he spoke about it, it sounded like the results were vague. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1638 Sender:Bob Robins Post Date/Time:2017-08-31 16:26:20 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA test Message: Yes. My wife and I also tested at 23andMe and I rarely get any response from matches. You can download the raw data and upload it to other sites like GEDmatch or FamilyTreeDna. They have been getting a bit better but if he tested a few years ago I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get much out of it. ⁣Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD​ On Aug 31, 2017, 7:18 PM, at 7:18 PM, "ck_steger@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: >Thx. When he spoke about it, it sounded like the results were vague. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1639 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-02 08:50:36 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp, Warren Co, NJ Message: Just got back from a family reunion, of sorts. Military service for my uncle. I spoke with my father's last remaining brother, Frank Robbins, about the family tree. Jonathan was definitely a beekeeper. My uncle knew of him-- just not his name-- and also thought he was a gg grandfather, but his wife quickly corrected him by saying Jonathan was much further back in the tree. Frank also did not know Edward H. Robbins (his great grandfat her) was a music teacher. I'm going to attribute that to Edward divorcing Susan Edinger and moving to Michigan to marry Carlie Blanchard. I'm assuming this was somewhat of a scandal, especially since Edward's father not only did not leave him an inheritance, but also demanded a payment. And perhaps if Edward was a disgrace to the family, there was little to no mention of him (deep, dark family secret). Frank said his grandfather, William S Robbins, made and repaired wagons. A horse kicked him in the stomach and the injury so severe that he died a day or two later. I realize most of this is of no personal interest to you since your line is from a different son of Robert Robins, but you may want to make record of it since it's first-hand knowledge. I still want to find a death cer tificate for William S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1640 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-03 09:07:50 Subject:Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: Here is a record from the Common Pleas Court in Hunterdon Co, NJ dated 5 Mar 1714/5 ... https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSGD-RQT1-X?i=12&cat=480035 Notice on the left-hand page, about in the middle of the page, the second name in a group of names appears to be Jonathan ROBINS. If this is correct and the name is Jonathan ROBINS, who can this be? The only Jonathan ROBINS for this period who I am aware of would have been 20/21 years in 1714/5, and as far as I know is living in Monmouth Co in 1714/5. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1641 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-03 09:27:48 Subject:Re: Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: It looks like it says Robend(s) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1642 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-03 11:19:02 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: Marshall, I agree Jonathan Robins 1694-1777 is the only known man to fit the correct time frame for this document. According to Charles Robbins Hutchinson Manuscripts, Jonathan Robins was a neighbor in 1723 to his half- brother Daniel Robins, III in Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., NJ. Maybe this isn't correct. A couple of questions: 1. How do we know Jonathan Robins actually resided on the Monmouth Co., NJ property in 1714 or at any later date? 2. Is it possible he was living in Hunterdon Co., NJ by or before 1714 although he owned land he inherited in Upper Freehold Township? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 9:08 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Here is a record from the Common Pleas Court in Hunterdon Co, NJ dated 5 Mar 1714/5 ... https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSGD-RQT1-X?i=12&cat=480035 Notice on the left-hand page, about in the middle of the page, the second name in a group of names appears to be Jonathan ROBINS. If this is correct and the name is Jonathan ROBINS, who can this be? The only Jonathan ROBINS for this period who I am aware of would have been 20/21 years in 1714/5, and as far as I know is living in Monmouth Co in 1714/5. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1643 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-03 11:24:28 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: There are different spellings for the Robinson, Robins, Robbins surname. One example is the Woodbridge Vital Records that records Daniel Robins, Sr. & children as Robinds. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 9:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? It looks like it says Robend(s) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1644 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-03 20:03:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: In a deed dated 10 Mar 1742 (filed 26 Nov 1751) Jonathan ROBINS sells 95 acres in Upper Freehold Township, Monmouth County, New Jersey to Thomas TAYLOR. In the deed it states "Jonathan Robbins of the Township of Upper Freehold in the County of Monmouth". In this deed it states Jonathan ROBINS purchased this same land from Daniel PARKER 7 Nov 1735. It appears Jonathan ROBINS lived in Monmouth Co after 1714, but it's certainly possible he went back and forth between Monmouth and Hunterdon. > I agree Jonathan Robins 1694-1777 is the only known man to fit the > correct time frame for this document. According to Charles Robbins > Hutchinson Manuscripts, Jonathan Robins was a neighbor in 1723 to his > half- brother Daniel Robins, III in Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., NJ. > Maybe this isn't correct. > > A couple of questions: > > 1. How do we know Jonathan Robins actually resided on the Monmouth Co., > NJ property in 1714 or at any later date? > 2. Is it possible he was living in Hunterdon Co., NJ by or before 1714 > although he owned land he inherited in Upper Freehold Township? >> Here is a record from the Common Pleas Court in Hunterdon Co, NJ dated 5 >> Mar 1714/5 ... >> >> https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSGD-RQT1-X?i=12&cat=480035 >> >> Notice on the left-hand page, about in the middle of the page, the second >> name in a group of names appears to be Jonathan ROBINS. If this is correct >> and the name is Jonathan ROBINS, who can this be? >> >> The only Jonathan ROBINS for this period who I am aware of would have been >> 20/21 years in 1714/5, and as far as I know is living in Monmouth Co in >> 1714/5. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1645 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-03 20:50:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1646 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-04 04:02:24 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children except Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mary’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1647 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-09-04 05:27:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: Hello, Not sure if I am correct but I descend from Isaac Robins b 1692 d 1741 m Asubia Thatcher b 1702 d 1741. I have Isaac being the first born of Daniel Robins Jr and Mary (2nd wife). Please let me know if this is incorrect. Cynthia Victor > On Sep 4, 2017, at 6:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children exce pt Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital record s this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mary’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. > > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1648 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-04 07:10:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: iPad > On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children exce pt > So he had two wives named Mary? The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. > Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. > Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. > Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & M ary�s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. > > Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr�s grandson Daniel Robins. > Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as hi s grandfather? What am I missing here. > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1649 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-04 10:36:22 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: Cynthia, Correct Isaac Robins b. abt. 1700 d. 1741 was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. & his second wife Mary. There is no birth record found in the Woodbridge Vital Records for Isaac Robins. This may indicate Daniel Jr. & Mary mo ved from Woodbridge before Isaac’s birth. We know from the Woodbridge Vital Records Isaac Robins wasn’t Daniel & Mary’s first born son. Jonathan Robins b. 1694 was first & John Robins 1695 was second. We assume Isaac wa s the third born son, Job fourth & Joshua fifth. However, Daniel Robins had 13 children. The names of six sons of the 13 are recorded. The names of the remaining seven are unknown but suspect there were some females amo ng the 13 children. All were living in 1733. Proof of Isaac’s relationship to his father Daniel Robins, Jr. is found in West Jersey Proprieter Deed H-474, Daniel Robins, Jr. conveyed 200 acres in Hunterdon Co. around 1724 to his son Isaac. Isaac willed this prope rty to his sons Vincent & Joseph in 1741. Isaac’s wife was named Asubia & she very well may have been a Thatcher but no direct proof. Isaac & Asubia had Vincent & Joseph & four other children however, their names are no t recorded in his Will. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 5:27 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Hello, Not sure if I am correct but I descend from Isaac Robins b 1692 d 1741 m Asubia Thatcher b 1702 d 1741. I have Isaac being the first born of Daniel Robins Jr and Mary (2nd wife). Please let me know if this is incorrect. Cynthia Victor On Sep 4, 2017, at 6:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children except Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mary’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1650 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-04 11:53:37 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: Dear ffb2usa, Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-169 1 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote “Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.” It isn’t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother of Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I’m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I’d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Robin s, Jr’s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven C olony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don’t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Taver n wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Dani el died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased only that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children except So he had two wives named Mary? The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mar y’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as hi s grandfather? What am I missing here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1651 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-04 13:15:32 Subject:Re: To Robyn C. in NM Message: Robyn, I lost your e-mail address. Please contact me. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1652 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-04 17:41:49 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: Sorry Sara. I'm Cindy Robbins Steger iPad > On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Dear ffb2usa, > > Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. > > > > Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-1 691 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote �Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.� It isn�t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother o f Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I�m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I�d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Rob ins, Jr�s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. > > > > The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven Colony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. > > > > Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don�t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research fo r many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tav ern wasn�t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey�s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Da niel died in 1763 didn�t have a Will. Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins . Late doesn�t mean she was deceased only that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > > > iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children exce pt > > So he had two wives named Mary? > > The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. > > Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. > > > > > Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. > > Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. > > Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) > > > > What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. > > > > > Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & M ary�s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. > > > > > Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr�s grandson Daniel Robins. > > Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as his grandfather? What am I missing here. > > > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1653 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-04 19:16:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? Message: iPad > On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Dear ffb2usa, > > Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. > > > > Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-1 691 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote �Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.� It isn�t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother o f Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I�m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I�d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Rob ins, Jr�s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. > I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. > > > The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven Colony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. > The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) > > > Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don�t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research fo r many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. > My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? > However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn�t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of al l the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey�s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn�t have a Will. > Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. > Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn�t mean she was deceased only that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. > That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I wen t to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... Cindy > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > > > iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children exce pt > > So he had two wives named Mary? > > The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. > > Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. > > > > > Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. > > Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. > > Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) > > > > What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. > > > > > Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & M ary�s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. > > > > > Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr�s grandson Daniel Robins. > > Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as his grandfather? What am I missing here. > > > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1654 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-04 19:33:28 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Hi Cindy, Thanks so much for your name. I’ll remember who you are now. Appreciate your posts here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Dear ffb2usa, Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-169 1 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote “Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.” It isn’t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother of Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I’m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I’d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Robin s, Jr’s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven C olony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don’t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased o nly that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I wen t to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... Cindy Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children except So he had two wives named Mary? The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mar y’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as hi s grandfather? What am I missing here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1655 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 07:48:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Hi all, In the 1733 article about Daniel Robins Jr., it says he had 13 children, 11 who were married. How many of those "11 married children" do we think we've identified? In my files, I have 8 known or likely children of Daniel Jr. They are: Daniel (b. 1692) Jonathan John Job Isaac Joshua Elisha Lydia (who married Amos Thatcher) Do we have consensus among our group about these 8--that they were Daniel Jr's children? And...does anyone have theories about who the 3 other married children are? Tracey On 9/4/2017 9:33 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Cindy, Thanks so much for your name. I’ll remember who you are now. Appreciate your posts here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Dear ffb2usa, Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-1691 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote “Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23^rd 1694.” It isn’t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother of Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I’m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I’d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Robins, Jr’s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven Colony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don’t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased only that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I went to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... Cindy Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children except So he had two wives named Mary? The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mary’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as his grandfather? What am I missing here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1656 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 11:29:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel ROBINS (b 1666) (was: Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ?) Message: In the 1733 Boston Gazette article, in one place it states "eleven Sons & Daughters In-Law". Later in the article it states "he never lost a Child nor Grand-Child, Son in-law nor Daughter in-law". And then later in the article it states "every one of his Children and Grand-Children, Sons [my note - plural] in-law and Daughters in-law". Maybe we can presume 11 sons and 2 daughters from that. > We know from the Woodbridge Vital Records Isaac Robins wasn’t Daniel & > Mary’s first born son. Jonathan Robins b. 1694 was first & John Robins > 1695 was second. We assume Isaac was the third born son, Job fourth & > Joshua fifth. However, Daniel Robins had 13 children. The names of six > sons of the 13 are recorded. The names of the remaining seven are unknown > but suspect there were some females among the 13 children. All were > living in 1733. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1657 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 11:43:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ (was: Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ?) Message: Am I reading this correctly? It's been determined that the Daniel ROBINS who died in 1763 and married second Frances ------ (who married John PIERCE c1764) is actually the son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756) and NOT Daniel III ?? I must have missed that discussion. > The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early > research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel > was Daniel Robins, III. However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member > of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of > Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job > Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I > believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when > her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances Robins > married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is > recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, > late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased only that her > name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1658 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 11:43:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel ROBINS (b 1666) (was: Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ?) Message: The article was in the Boston Gazette? Wasn't it kinda far to go to Hunterdon, NJ. Wonder how they heard about him. iPad > On Sep 5, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > In the 1733 Boston Gazette article, in one place it states "eleven Sons & > Daughters In-Law". Later in the article it states "he never lost a Child > nor Grand-Child, Son in-law nor Daughter in-law". And then later in the > article it states "every one of his Children and Grand-Children, Sons [my > note - plural] in-law and Daughters in-law". > > Maybe we can presume 11 sons and 2 daughters from that. > > > We know from the Woodbridge Vital Records Isaac Robins wasn�t Daniel & > > Mary�s first born son. Jonathan Robins b. 1694 was first & John Robins > > 1695 was second. We assume Isaac was the third born son, Job fourth & > > Joshua fifth. However, Daniel Robins had 13 children. The names of six > > sons of the 13 are recorded. The names of the remaining seven are unknown > > but suspect there were some females among the 13 children. All were > > living in 1733. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1659 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 12:29:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel ROBINS (b 1666) Message: Wow! But the way it is worded, it could mean the 11 included the sons, daughters, sons in law and daughters in law, right? :-( On 9/5/2017 1:29 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: In the 1733 Boston Gazette article, in one place it states "eleven Sons & Daughters In-Law". Later in the article it states "he never lost a Child nor Grand-Child, Son in-law nor Daughter in-law". And then later in the article it states "every one of his Children and Grand-Children, Sons [my note - plural] in-law and Daughters in-law". Maybe we can presume 11 sons and 2 daughters from that. > We know from the Woodbridge Vital Records Isaac Robins wasn’t Daniel & > Mary’s first born son. Jonathan Robins b. 1694 was first & John Robins > 1695 was second. We assume Isaac was the third born son, Job fourth & > Joshua fifth. However, Daniel Robins had 13 children. The names of six > sons of the 13 are recorded. The names of the remaining seven are unknown > but suspect there were some females among the 13 children. All were > living in 1733. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1660 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 13:11:19 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Tracey, I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel Jr.’s children too? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:48 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi all, In the 1733 article about Daniel Robins Jr., it says he had 13 children, 11 who were married. How many of those "11 married children" do we think we've identified? In my files, I have 8 known or likely children of Daniel Jr. They are: Daniel (b. 1692) Jonathan John Job Isaac Joshua Elisha Lydia (who married Amos Thatcher) Do we have consensus among our group about these 8--that they were Daniel Jr's children? And...does anyone have theories about who the 3 other married children are? Tracey On 9/4/2017 9:33 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Cindy, Thanks so much for your name. I’ll remember who you are now. Appreciate your posts here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Dear ffb2usa, Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-169 1 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote “Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.” It isn’t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother of Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I’m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I’d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Robin s, Jr’s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven C olony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don’t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased o nly that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I wen t to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... Cindy Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children except So he had two wives named Mary? The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mar y’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as hi s grandfather? What am I missing here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1661 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 14:01:13 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel ROBINS (b 1666) (was: Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ?) Message: Marshall & Tracey, The New-England Weekly Journal July 30, 1733. Copy of article in Robins, Robbins book, page 371. Quotes from article on Daniel Robins, Jr. “He is the father of thirteen Children, Eleven of which are married; and by them he had Sixty-two Grandchildren, born in less than Eighteen years time, which, with his other children makes Seventy-five persons, besides Eleven Sons and Daughters-in-law,” This article and the Boston Gazette are very similar in content. Agree, we can presume there were eleven sons and two daughters. Two of the thirteen children were unmarried in 1733. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 11:30 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel ROBINS (b 1666) (was: Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ?) In the 1733 Boston Gazette article, in one place it states "eleven Sons & Daughters In-Law". Later in the article it states "he never lost a Child nor Grand-Child, Son in-law nor Daughter in-law". And then later in the article it states "every one of his Children and Grand-Children, Sons [my note - plural] in-law and Daughters in-law". Maybe we can presume 11 sons and 2 daughters from that. > We know from the Woodbridge Vital Records Isaac Robins wasn’t Daniel & > Mary’s first born son. Jonathan Robins b. 1694 was first & John Robins > 1695 was second. We assume Isaac was the third born son, Job fourth & > Joshua fifth. However, Daniel Robins had 13 children. The names of six > sons of the 13 are recorded. The names of the remaining seven are unknown > but suspect there were some females among the 13 children. All were > living in 1733. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1662 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 14:04:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Hi Sara, I would like to know about Lydia as well. Amos Thatcher is my 6th GR Grandfather and on findagrave they list Lydia Praul, daughter of John Praul, as the wife of Amos. Previously, I contacted the Prall (have seen it as P raul or Prall) Family Association to inquire if they had info on her. I was informed they did not and that Lydia was not a name that was a family name. Apparently, through the years they have had many inquiries on this Lydia m to Amos Thatcher. So another mystery to be solved! I suppose if this was in fact Lydia Robins, Amos could have been a 2nd marriage but I can't find anything to substantiate Lydia maiden name. If anyone has information I would love to hear!!!! Cynthia Victor > On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:11 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Tracey, > > I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel Jr. ’s children too? > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:48 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ > > > > > > Hi all, > > In the 1733 article about Daniel Robins Jr., it says he had 13 children, 11 who were married. > > How many of those "11 married children" do we think we've identified? > > In my files, I have 8 known or likely children of Daniel Jr. > > They are: > Daniel (b. 1692) > Jonathan > John > Job > Isaac > Joshua > Elisha > Lydia (who married Amos Thatcher) > > Do we have consensus among our group about these 8--that they were Daniel Jr's children? > > And...does anyone have theories about who the 3 other married children are? > > Tracey > > > > On 9/4/2017 9:33 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Hi Cindy, > > Thanks so much for your name. I’ll remember who you are now. Appreciate your posts here. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:16 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > > > iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > > Dear ffb2usa, > > Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. > > > > Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-1 691 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote “Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.” It isn’t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother o f Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I’m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I’d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Rob ins, Jr’s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. > > I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. > > > > > > The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven Colony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. > > The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) > > > > > > Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don’t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research fo r many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. > > My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? > > > > However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of al l the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. > > Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. > > > > Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased only that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. > > That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. > > > > First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary > > Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. > > > > I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I w ent to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... > > > > Cindy > > > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > > > iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children exce pt > > So he had two wives named Mary? > > The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. > > Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. > > > > > > > Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. > > Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. > > Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) > > > > What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. > > > > > > > Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & M ary’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. > > > > > > > Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. > > Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as his grandfather? What am I missing here. > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1663 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 16:36:38 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Cindy, Your search for Lydia w/o Amos Thatcher is very interesting. I haven’t found any documents proving Lydia Thatcher to be the daughter of Daniel Robins, Jr. either but that doesn’t mean another researcher hasn’t found one . Lydia Robins b. 7-25-1668 at Woodbridge, NJ was the sister of Daniel Robins, Jr.’s. She married William Thorpe so Lydia is a Robins family name. Daniel’s brothers Job & Richard had daughters named Lydia. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 2:04 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi Sara, I would like to know about Lydia as well. Amos Thatcher is my 6th GR Grandfather and on findagrave they list Lydia Praul, daughter of John Praul, as the wife of Amos. Previously, I contacted the Prall (have seen it as P raul or Prall) Family Association to inquire if they had info on her. I was informed they did not and that Lydia was not a name that was a family name. Apparently, through the years they have had many inquiries on this Lydia m to Amos Thatcher. So another mystery to be solved! I suppose if this was in fact Lydia Robins, Amos could have been a 2nd marriage but I can't find anything to substantiate Lydia maiden name. If anyone has information I would love to hear!!!! Cynthia Victor On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:11 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Tracey, I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel Jr.’s children too? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:48 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi all, In the 1733 article about Daniel Robins Jr., it says he had 13 children, 11 who were married. How many of those "11 married children" do we think we've identified? In my files, I have 8 known or likely children of Daniel Jr. They are: Daniel (b. 1692) Jonathan John Job Isaac Joshua Elisha Lydia (who married Amos Thatcher) Do we have consensus among our group about these 8--that they were Daniel Jr's children? And...does anyone have theories about who the 3 other married children are? Tracey On 9/4/2017 9:33 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Cindy, Thanks so much for your name. I’ll remember who you are now. Appreciate your posts here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Dear ffb2usa, Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-169 1 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote “Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.” It isn’t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother of Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I’m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I’d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Robin s, Jr’s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven C olony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don’t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased o nly that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I wen t to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... Cindy Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children except So he had two wives named Mary? The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mar y’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as hi s grandfather? What am I missing here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1664 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 17:10:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Our group is as bad as the Robbins family. There's a Cynthia and a Cindy. I'm only called Cynthia when I'm in trouble.... Wasn't there a Robins Bible? Or was it just about Daniel Sr. iPad > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:36 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Cindy, > > Your search for Lydia w/o Amos Thatcher is very interesting. I haven�t found any documents proving Lydia Thatcher to be the daughter of Daniel Robins, Jr. either but that doesn�t mean another researcher hasn�t found o ne. Lydia Robins b. 7-25-1668 at Woodbridge, NJ was the sister of Daniel Robins, Jr.�s. She married William Thorpe so Lydia is a Robins family name. Daniel�s brothers Job & Richard had daughters named Lydia. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 2:04 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ > > > > > > Hi Sara, > > I would like to know about Lydia as well. Amos Thatcher is my 6th GR Grandfather and on findagrave they list Lydia Praul, daughter of John Praul, as the wife of Amos. Previously, I contacted the Prall (have seen it as Praul or Prall) Family Association to inquire if they had info on her. I was informed they did not and that Lydia was not a name that was a family name. Apparently, through the years they have had many inquiries on thi s Lydia m to Amos Thatcher. So another mystery to be solved! > > > > I suppose if this was in fact Lydia Robins, Amos could have been a 2nd marriage but I can't find anything to substantiate Lydia maiden name. If anyone has information I would love to hear!!!! > > Cynthia Victor > > > On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:11 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Tracey, > > I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel Jr. �s children too? > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:48 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ > > > > > > Hi all, > > In the 1733 article about Daniel Robins Jr., it says he had 13 children, 11 who were married. > > How many of those "11 married children" do we think we've identified? > > In my files, I have 8 known or likely children of Daniel Jr. > > They are: > Daniel (b. 1692) > Jonathan > John > Job > Isaac > Joshua > Elisha > Lydia (who married Amos Thatcher) > > Do we have consensus among our group about these 8--that they were Daniel Jr's children? > > And...does anyone have theories about who the 3 other married children are? > > Tracey > > > > On 9/4/2017 9:33 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Hi Cindy, > > Thanks so much for your name. I�ll remember who you are now. Appreciate your posts here. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:16 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > > > iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > > Dear ffb2usa, > > Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. > > > > Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-1 691 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote �Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.� It isn�t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother o f Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I�m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I�d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Rob ins, Jr�s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. > > I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. > > > > > > > The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven Colony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. > > The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) > > > > > > > Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don�t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research fo r many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. > > My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? > > > > > However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn�t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of al l the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey�s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn�t have a Will. > > Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. > > > > > Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn�t mean she was deceased only that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. > > That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. > > > > First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary > > Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. > > > > I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I w ent to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... > > > > Cindy > > > > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > > > iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children exce pt > > So he had two wives named Mary? > > The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. > > Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. > > > > > > > > Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. > > Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. > > Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) > > > > What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. > > > > > > > > Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & M ary�s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. > > > > > > > > Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr�s grandson Daniel Robins. > > Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as his grandfather? What am I missing here. > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1665 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 17:38:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Hi, My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can consider it and discuss it. As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, March 27 1737: Joshua Robins No. 8 Amos Thatcher No. 9 Elisha Robins No. 10 Isaac Robins No. 20 All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was probably property they inherited. I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would mean that they were all born before 1716. Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and Elisha Robins Looking back, I wish I had written down the names on mortgages 11 to 19. :-/ In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. For convenience, here are the transcriptions of the property descriptions in the mortgages: Joshua Robins land description: Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres (Note: This property description matches property in a Daniel Robins deed dated 1714, which said: By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart’s (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor) Amos Thatcher land description: Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to another stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight links to another stone corner, thence North twenty five chains and a half to a stone corner in John Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins land thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned containing one hundred acres Elisha Robins land description: Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted and bounded as followeth Vizt Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine links to a stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West Twenty eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning containing one hundred acres Issac Robins land description: Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & Bounded as follows Viz On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Land formerly ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased father to the said Isaac Robins - formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred Acres (Note: It is somewhat interesting to me that when Job Robins died, his widow Abigail married Thomas Hunt. I believe it is the same Thomas Hunt who is mentioned in this property description.) Thoughts? Discussion? Tracey On 9/5/2017 4:04 PM, Cynthia Victor cjvictor8855@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Sara, I would like to know about Lydia as well. Amos Thatcher is my 6th GR Grandfather and on findagrave they list Lydia Praul, daughter of John Praul, as the wife of Amos. Previously, I contacted the Prall (have seen it as Praul or Prall) Family Association to inquire if they had info on her. I was informed they did not and that Lydia was not a name that was a family name. Apparently, through the years they have had many inquiries on this Lydia m to Amos Thatcher. So another mystery to be solved! I suppose if this was in fact Lydia Robins, Amos could have been a 2nd marriage but I can't find anything to substantiate Lydia maiden name. If anyone has information I would love to hear!!!! Cynthia Victor On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:11 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel Jr.’s children too? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:48 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi all, In the 1733 article about Daniel Robins Jr., it says he had 13 children, 11 who were married. How many of those "11 married children" do we think we've identified? In my files, I have 8 known or likely children of Daniel Jr. They are: Daniel (b. 1692) Jonathan John Job Isaac Joshua Elisha Lydia (who married Amos Thatcher) Do we have consensus among our group about these 8--that they were Daniel Jr's children? And...does anyone have theories about who the 3 other married children are? Tracey On 9/4/2017 9:33 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Cindy, Thanks so much for your name. I’ll remember who you are now. Appreciate your posts here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Dear ffb2usa, Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-1691 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote “Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23^rd 1694.” It isn’t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother of Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I’m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I’d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Robins, Jr’s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven Colony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don’t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased only that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I went to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... Cindy Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children except So he had two wives named Mary? The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mary’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as his grandfather? What am I missing here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1666 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 17:39:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Sara, I find it interesting also! I could see a possibility in that the Robins, Thatchers and Lakes were (all in my family lines, some several times over) neighbors and friends. In fact they appear as witness' on wills, land deeds, baptisms, etc. for each other. Like I mentioned, I have tried to follow the Praul/Prall aspect and find nothing. However, the fact that Lydia is a name that runs in the Robins family is sparking my curiosity! Always a twist in the road. Cynthia > On Sep 5, 2017, at 6:36 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Cindy, > > Your search for Lydia w/o Amos Thatcher is very interesting. I haven’t found any documents proving Lydia Thatcher to be the daughter of Daniel Robins, Jr. either but that doesn’t mean another researcher hasn’t found o ne. Lydia Robins b. 7-25-1668 at Woodbridge, NJ was the sister of Daniel Robins, Jr.’s. She married William Thorpe so Lydia is a Robins family name. Daniel’s brothers Job & Richard had daughters named Lydia. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 2:04 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ > > > > > > Hi Sara, > > I would like to know about Lydia as well. Amos Thatcher is my 6th GR Grandfather and on findagrave they list Lydia Praul, daughter of John Praul, as the wife of Amos. Previously, I contacted the Prall (have seen it as Praul or Prall) Family Association to inquire if they had info on her. I was informed they did not and that Lydia was not a name that was a family name. Apparently, through the years they have had many inquiries on thi s Lydia m to Amos Thatcher. So another mystery to be solved! > > > > I suppose if this was in fact Lydia Robins, Amos could have been a 2nd marriage but I can't find anything to substantiate Lydia maiden name. If anyone has information I would love to hear!!!! > > Cynthia Victor > > > On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:11 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Tracey, > > I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel Jr. ’s children too? > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:48 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ > > > > > > Hi all, > > In the 1733 article about Daniel Robins Jr., it says he had 13 children, 11 who were married. > > How many of those "11 married children" do we think we've identified? > > In my files, I have 8 known or likely children of Daniel Jr. > > They are: > Daniel (b. 1692) > Jonathan > John > Job > Isaac > Joshua > Elisha > Lydia (who married Amos Thatcher) > > Do we have consensus among our group about these 8--that they were Daniel Jr's children? > > And...does anyone have theories about who the 3 other married children are? > > Tracey > > > > On 9/4/2017 9:33 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Hi Cindy, > > Thanks so much for your name. I’ll remember who you are now. Appreciate your posts here. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:16 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > > > iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > > Dear ffb2usa, > > Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. > > > > Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-1 691 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote “Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.” It isn’t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother o f Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I’m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I’d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Rob ins, Jr’s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. > > I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. > > > > > > > The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven Colony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. > > The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) > > > > > > > Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don’t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research fo r many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. > > My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? > > > > > However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of al l the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. > > Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. > > > > > Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased only that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. > > That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. > > > > First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary > > Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. > > > > I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I w ent to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... > > > > Cindy > > > > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > > > iPad > > > On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children exce pt > > So he had two wives named Mary? > > The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. > > Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. > > > > > > > > Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. > > Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. > > Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) > > > > What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. > > > > > > > > Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & M ary’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. > > > > > > > > Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. > > Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as his grandfather? What am I missing here. > > > > > > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? > > > > > > You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1667 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 17:41:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: So funny! That's what is was for me growing up. Now I usually use Cynthia but immediate family and old friends still call me Cindy. > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:10 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Our group is as bad as the Robbins family. There's a Cynthia and a Cindy. I'm only called Cynthia when I'm in trouble.... > > Wasn't there a Robins Bible? Or was it just about Daniel Sr. > > iPad > >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:36 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> Cindy, >> >> Your search for Lydia w/o Amos Thatcher is very interesting. I haven’t found any documents proving Lydia Thatcher to be the daughter of Daniel Robins, Jr. either but that doesn’t mean another researcher hasn’t found one. Lydia Robins b. 7-25-1668 at Woodbridge, NJ was the sister of Daniel Robins, Jr.’s. She married William Thorpe so Lydia is a Robins family name. Daniel’s brothers Job & Richard had daughters named Lydia. >> >> Sara >> >> >> >> From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 2:04 PM >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Sara, >> >> I would like to know about Lydia as well. Amos Thatcher is my 6th GR Grandfather and on findagrave they list Lydia Praul, daughter of John Praul, as the wife of Amos. Previously, I contacted the Prall (have seen it a s Praul or Prall) Family Association to inquire if they had info on her. I was informed they did not and that Lydia was not a name that was a family name. Apparently, through the years they have had many inquiries on th is Lydia m to Amos Thatcher. So another mystery to be solved! >> >> >> >> I suppose if this was in fact Lydia Robins, Amos could have been a 2nd marriage but I can't find anything to substantiate Lydia maiden name. If anyone has information I would love to hear!!!! >> >> Cynthia Victor >> >> >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:11 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> >> Tracey, >> >> I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel Jr. ’s children too? >> >> Sara >> >> >> >> From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:48 AM >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> In the 1733 article about Daniel Robins Jr., it says he had 13 children, 11 who were married. >> >> How many of those "11 married children" do we think we've identified? >> >> In my files, I have 8 known or likely children of Daniel Jr. >> >> They are: >> Daniel (b. 1692) >> Jonathan >> John >> Job >> Isaac >> Joshua >> Elisha >> Lydia (who married Amos Thatcher) >> >> Do we have consensus among our group about these 8--that they were Daniel Jr's children? >> >> And...does anyone have theories about who the 3 other married children are? >> >> Tracey >> >> >> >> On 9/4/2017 9:33 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Cindy, >> >> Thanks so much for your name. I’ll remember who you are now. Appreciate your posts here. >> >> Sara >> >> >> >> From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] >> Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:16 PM >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> iPad >> >> >> On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear ffb2usa, >> >> Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. >> >> >> >> Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27- 1691 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote “Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.” It isn’t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother of Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I’m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I’d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Ro bins, Jr’s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. >> >> I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Have n Colony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. >> >> The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don’t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research f or many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. >> >> My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? >> >> >> >> >> However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of a ll the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. >> >> Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. >> >> >> >> >> Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was decease d only that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. >> >> That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. >> >> >> >> First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary >> >> Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. >> >> >> >> I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I went to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... >> >> >> >> Cindy >> >> >> >> >> Sara >> >> >> >> From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] >> Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> iPad >> >> >> On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> >> Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children exc ept >> >> So he had two wives named Mary? >> >> The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. >> >> Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. >> >> Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. >> >> Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) >> >> >> >> What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mary’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. >> >> Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as his grandfather? What am I missing here. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sara >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] >> Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? >> >> >> >> >> >> You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? >> >> >> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1668 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 17:46:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Tracey, Thanks so much for the info! They were all so interconnected the Amos Thatcher and Lydia seems so plausible. Hoping we can find something difinitive. Cynthia > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > mortgages ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1669 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 18:02:12 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Cynthia, My mistake, not the Robbins group. I apologize for calling you Cindy not Cynthia. There is a compilation of Robbins Bible records that can be accessed in the Robins, Robbins book at familysearch. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 5:11 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Our group is as bad as the Robbins family. There's a Cynthia and a Cindy. I'm only called Cynthia when I'm in trouble.... Wasn't there a Robins Bible? Or was it just about Daniel Sr. iPad On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:36 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Cindy, Your search for Lydia w/o Amos Thatcher is very interesting. I haven’t found any documents proving Lydia Thatcher to be the daughter of Daniel Robins, Jr. either but that doesn’t mean another researcher hasn’t found one . Lydia Robins b. 7-25-1668 at Woodbridge, NJ was the sister of Daniel Robins, Jr.’s. She married William Thorpe so Lydia is a Robins family name. Daniel’s brothers Job & Richard had daughters named Lydia. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 2:04 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi Sara, I would like to know about Lydia as well. Amos Thatcher is my 6th GR Grandfather and on findagrave they list Lydia Praul, daughter of John Praul, as the wife of Amos. Previously, I contacted the Prall (have seen it as P raul or Prall) Family Association to inquire if they had info on her. I was informed they did not and that Lydia was not a name that was a family name. Apparently, through the years they have had many inquiries on this Lydia m to Amos Thatcher. So another mystery to be solved! I suppose if this was in fact Lydia Robins, Amos could have been a 2nd marriage but I can't find anything to substantiate Lydia maiden name. If anyone has information I would love to hear!!!! Cynthia Victor On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:11 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Tracey, I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel Jr.’s children too? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:48 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi all, In the 1733 article about Daniel Robins Jr., it says he had 13 children, 11 who were married. How many of those "11 married children" do we think we've identified? In my files, I have 8 known or likely children of Daniel Jr. They are: Daniel (b. 1692) Jonathan John Job Isaac Joshua Elisha Lydia (who married Amos Thatcher) Do we have consensus among our group about these 8--that they were Daniel Jr's children? And...does anyone have theories about who the 3 other married children are? Tracey On 9/4/2017 9:33 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Cindy, Thanks so much for your name. I’ll remember who you are now. Appreciate your posts here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Dear ffb2usa, Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-169 1 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote “Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.” It isn’t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother of Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I’m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I’d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Robin s, Jr’s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven C olony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don’t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased o nly that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I wen t to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... Cindy Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children except So he had two wives named Mary? The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mar y’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as hi s grandfather? What am I missing here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1670 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 18:20:51 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Tracey, Thanks for all this great information. The circumstantial evidence for Elisha Robins & Amos Thatcher looks very good to me & appears to be quite plausible. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 5:39 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi, My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can consider it and discuss it. As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, March 27 1737: Joshua Robins No. 8 Amos Thatcher No. 9 Elisha Robins No. 10 Isaac Robins No. 20 All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was probably property they inherited. I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would mean that they were all born before 1716. Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and Elisha Robins Looking back, I wish I had written down the names on mortgages 11 to 19. :-/ In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/ Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. For convenience, here are the transcriptions of the property descriptions in the mortgages: Joshua Robins land description: Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport's land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres (Note: This property description matches property in a Daniel Robins deed dated 1714, which said: By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hun terdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart’s (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor) Amos Thatcher land description: Beginning at a stone for a corner in Saml Greens Line of his Land Bought of Daniel Robins Decd thence along his line East Twenty four chains to a stone being corner of Job Robins' land, thence North seven chains to another stone corner, thence East eight chains and twenty eight links to another stone corner, thence North twenty five chains and a half to a stone corner in John Lewis'(?) line, thereby the same West thirty two chains & twenty eight links to a stone corner in the said line, thence South by the remaining part of Elisha Robins land thirty five chains & a half to the corner first mentioned containing one hundred acres Elisha Robins land description: Township of Amwell aforesaid is butted and bounded as followeth Vizt Beginning at a stone being a corner of Samuel Greens land in Medcalf's line, thence by the same North thirty four chains & a halfe to a stone being a corner of Medcalf's thence East Twenty Eight chains & fifty nine links to a stone corner thence South Thirty four chains & a halfe to another stone corner thence West Twenty eight chains and fifty nine links to the place of Beginning containing one hundred acres Issac Robins land description: Township of Amwell aforesaid & is Butted & Bounded as follows Viz On the West by land of Larrows (?) & Thomas Kitchen & on the North by Governor Penn on the East by land of Thomas Hunt & Nathaniel Pettit & on the South by John ?Haddon being part & parcel of a Larger tract of Land formerly ?surveyed for said John Haddon being part and parcel of a largers tract of Land formerly surveyed for the said John Haddon being the Plantation that Daniel Robins Deceased father to the said Isaac Robins - formerly lived upon & contains Two Hundred Acres (Note: It is somewhat interesting to me that when Job Robins died, his widow Abigail married Thomas Hunt. I believe it is the same Thomas Hunt who is mentioned in this property description.) Thoughts? Discussion? Tracey On 9/5/2017 4:04 PM, Cynthia Victor cjvictor8855@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Sara, I would like to know about Lydia as well. Amos Thatcher is my 6th GR Grandfather and on findagrave they list Lydia Praul, daughter of John Praul, as the wife of Amos. Previously, I contacted the Prall (have seen it as P raul or Prall) Family Association to inquire if they had info on her. I was informed they did not and that Lydia was not a name that was a family name. Apparently, through the years they have had many inquiries on this Lydia m to Amos Thatcher. So another mystery to be solved! I suppose if this was in fact Lydia Robins, Amos could have been a 2nd marriage but I can't find anything to substantiate Lydia maiden name. If anyone has information I would love to hear!!!! Cynthia Victor On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:11 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Tracey, I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel Jr.’s children too? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:48 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi all, In the 1733 article about Daniel Robins Jr., it says he had 13 children, 11 who were married. How many of those "11 married children" do we think we've identified? In my files, I have 8 known or likely children of Daniel Jr. They are: Daniel (b. 1692) Jonathan John Job Isaac Joshua Elisha Lydia (who married Amos Thatcher) Do we have consensus among our group about these 8--that they were Daniel Jr's children? And...does anyone have theories about who the 3 other married children are? Tracey On 9/4/2017 9:33 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Cindy, Thanks so much for your name. I’ll remember who you are now. Appreciate your posts here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 2:53 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Dear ffb2usa, Do you mind posting you first name? If you have done that already I have missed it. Yes, that is correct, both wives of Daniel Jr. were named Mary. Mary Parker b. 12-3-1672 died on 10-5-1692, the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born. Correct, Daniel Robins, Jr. married Mary Parker on 11-27-169 1 in Woodbridge, NJ. From The Woodbridge Vital Records quote “Jonathan Robinds Son of Daniel Robinds and Mary his wife Born December ye 23rd 1694.” It isn’t possible for Mary Parker Robins 1672-1692 to be the mother of Jonathan Robins born in 1694. I’m not aware that Daniel Robins had a wife before Mary Parker making her his second wife. I’d be interested in looking at the document you refer to that states Mary Parker was Daniel Robin s, Jr’s second wife & appreciate you posting where this document can be found. I'm looking... saw it in two places but of course can't find those notes. The Mary Robins I believe you may be referring to was the oldest child of Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. She was born in New Haven Colony on 12-14-1664 & her brother Daniel Robins, Jr was born on 11-27-1666 in New Haven C olony. Their births are recorded in the New Haven Vital Records. The other 9 children of Daniel & Hope were all born at Woodbridge & births recorded in the vital records there. The record says Mary was born 1688 (see below) Daniel Robins III b. 1692 was living in Monmouth Co. NJ in 1748 when he & his wife Elizabeth sold land. We don’t know any more about him. The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel was Daniel Robins, III. My understanding is Daniel JR died 21 Feb 1763. So Daniel Jr and his grandson Daniel both died Feb 1763? However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances is named in Daniel Jr's will as his wife. His will is in several locations. Frances Robins married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased o nly that her name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. That's funny. Thanks for letting me know. Assumed it meant as it does today, that she had died. First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge, NJ states Daniel's wife #1 was Mary Parker, 24 Nov 1691 and #2 was Frances, after1692. It also says Daniel had a daughter named Mary, born 1688. Since he didn't marry until 1691 I thought he had been married a total of three times. I'm still new to this and will make many mistakes. I don't have the resources you have, and my notes are in no way organized. I've been tracing my family for over 25 years, on and off, but never got anywhere until I wen t to the Family Center in Utah a few months ago. I appreciate everything you do and hope you aren't offended if I question something. I'm just trying to figure it all out.... Cindy Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:11 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? iPad On Sep 4, 2017, at 7:02 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Jonathan Robins b. 1694 in Woodbridge, NJ was the son of Daniel Robins, Jr. His mother was named Mary & her maiden name is unknown. Mary (mnu) was the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr & mother of all his children except So he had two wives named Mary? The first was Mary Parker, mother of Daniel III. Second wife Mary Unknown, mother of Jonathan (1694-1777), John (1695-1777), Isaac (1698-?), Job (1699-?), Mary (?-?). I don't have info on the other children. Daniel Robins, III who was by his first wife Mary Parker. Documents I've read say Mary Parker is the second wife. Married 27 Nov 1691. Daniel III born 5 Oct 1692. Mary Parker died 1692 (unknown day or month) What about Daniel's first child, Mary, born 1688. Her birth, plus the definition of Mary Parker being the 2nd wife, led me to believe he was previously married. Since Mary Parker Robins died the same day their son Daniel Robins III was born, it is assumed her death was related to his birth. The Woodbridge Vital records this information along with the births of Daniel, Jr. & Mar y’s (mnu) first two sons Jonathan 1694 & John 1695. Frances (her maiden name probably Atkinson) was married to Daniel Robins, Jr’s grandson Daniel Robins. Daniel III 21 Fed 1763 will names Frances as his wife. Same with the 25 Feb inventory. 14 Sept 1764 names her as the late Francis Robins. But you're saying this will is actually for Daniel IV? He died the same day as hi s grandfather? What am I missing here. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, Hunterdon Co, NJ, 1714 ? You're taking about the Jonathan, son of Daniel Jr? Wasn't his mother Mary Parker? I'm not clear on whose kids are her and whose are Frances. But maybe that's a connection? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1671 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 18:37:10 Subject:RE:Cynthia & Cindy Names Message: Ladies, Do I have this correct? cjvictor is Cynthia ffb2usa is Cindy Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1672 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 18:43:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:Cynthia & Cindy Names Message: Yes, but don't worry about it on behalf. I thought it was funny. iPad > On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:37 PM, july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Ladies, > > Do I have this correct? > > cjvictor is Cynthia > > ffb2usa is Cindy > > Sara > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1673 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 18:58:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] RE:Cynthia & Cindy Names Message: That's correct for me Sara! Cynthia > On Sep 5, 2017, at 8:37 PM, july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Ladies, > > Do I have this correct? > > cjvictor is Cynthia > > ffb2usa is Cindy > > Sara > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1674 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-09-05 21:22:49 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Hi Marshall, That is correct. The Daniel who died in 1763 in Hunterdon Co. is the son of Job. The most recent discussion about it was in this thread: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/1476 It's kind of a lot to slog through. You can probably come up to speed pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/) But also, the Quaker records for Kingwood that Ancestry recently posted in their collection titled U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 are VERY telling. See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2189 They show that the ONLY Robins who were admitted to the Society at Kingwood were Job Robins, his wife, and their children. The admittance record does not name Job's children. But from his will we know they were: Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all under age in January 1756. Here is a transcription of the two Kingwood records that talk about the family's admittance: p. 63, Minutes, 1744-1858 8^th day 1^st month 1756 Job Robins requested that he and his wife and children may be taken under the care and notices of this monthly meeting as members of our Religious Society. Jacob Large & Jacob Birdshal are desired to enquire concerning their conduct in Life and Conversation and make report according as they shall find to our next Monthly meeting. p. 65, Minutes 1744-1858 12^th day, 2^nd month, 1756 Those friends who were appointed to Enquire concerning Job Robins and his wife and Childrens conducts report that upon Enquiry they find nothing to obstruct their being joined as members with us of our Religious Society wherefore we receive them as such under the care and Notice of this Monthly meeting. (Note: Job wrote his will 19 Jan 1756; the inventory was taken 2 Apr 1756; the will was proved 17 May 1756.) The Daniel who was a member at Kingwood was later removed from the Society due to drinking, cursing, and horse racing. Several of Job's other children (Andrew, Elizabeth, Lidia, and Rachel, whose married name was Chidister) and even his widow Abigail were also removed from Kingwood, for marrying outside the Society. I have only transcribed the records pertaining to Abigail (Job's widow) and Daniel. The records of Daniel certainly could explain how he died at presumably such a young age. If he was younger than 21 in 1756, he must have been only in his late 20s in 1763. Records for Abigail Hunt (formerly widow of Job Robbins): p. 34, Women’s minutes 11^th day 8^th month 1757 Abigail Hunt, late widow of Job Robins, Having Since the Death of her former husband proceeded in marriage with Thomas Hunt who in respect of religion is of a different opinion from us contrary to the Rules of Discipline Established among Friends, and she having been tenderly dealt with to bring her to a sense of her outgoings and misconduct therein but she refuseth to make any satisfaction to Friends but says she rather chuseth [chooseth] to be testified against and to be publicly declared to be no member of our religious society wherefore this meeting with the concurrence of the Brethern declares her to be out of Unity and no member of our Religious Society until she give Friends of this Meeting Satisfaction for the same and by a Circumspect conduct in her Life and consideration she shall render herself worth of the receipt of the Friends into Unity and Fellowship with them again and we desire the Clerk to get a Testification drawn according to this Minute read to be sign’d at our next Monthly Meeting p. 83, Minutes, 1744-1858 8^th day of the 12^th month 1757 At the request of friends of the Women’s Meeting, John Simcock is desired to read the Testification against Abigail Hunt before our next Monthly meeting at the breaking up of Some first days meeting at Kingwood. Records for Daniel Robins: p. 87 Minutes, 1744-1858 10^th day of the 7^th month 1758 At this Meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn’d under his hand his proceeding in marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline which was read & received as Satisfaction. p. 121, Minutes 1744-1858 12^th day of the 11^th month of 1761 The representatives being call’d all appear’d. Kingswood representatives report that Daniel Robins is found Guilty of Drinking Spiritious Liquors to Excess several pints and also it is reported that is apt to swear, and horse racing, and Overseers have treated with him on that account and he yet Neglects to give Satisfaction to this Meeting therefore this Meeting appoints James Willson and Jacob Large to Treat further with him on that account and make report to our next Monthly meeting. p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 10^th day of the 12^th month of 1761 One of the Friends who were appointed at last Meeting to Treat with Daniel Robins Reports that they have done that Service and found him Sensible of his Misconduct but desires he may be indulg’d with longer time of consideration and this complies with his request in that behalf till next monthly meeting. p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 11^th day of the 1^st month of 1762 The Case of Daniel Robins is defer’d to be further consider’d at our next Monthly Meeting. p. 123, Minutes 1744-1858 11^th day of the 2^nd month of 1762 The Case of Daniel Robins coming under consideration. It is the Judgement of this Meeting that a Testimony ought to go against him and his Scandalous Practises, wherefore James Willson and Samuel Kesster are appointed to prepare an Essay of Testimony against him and produce the same at our next Monthly Meeting. p. 123-124, Minutes 1744-1858 11^th day of the 3^rd month of 1762 At this Meeting James Willson and Samuel Kesster produced an Essay of Testimony against Daniel Robins which was read and approved of and signed Jacob Birdsall is appointed to read the same to him and give him a copy of it if he desire it and also to let him know that he hath the right of an Appeal provided that he notifie [notify] the same within the time limited by the Discipline. p. 126, Minutes 1744-1858 8^th day of the 7^th month of 1762 Samuel Kesster is appointed to read the Testimony Issued against Daniel Robins at the breaking up of a First day’s Meeting and make report to our next Monthly Meeting. p. 127, Minutes 1744-1858 12^th day of the 8^th month of 1762 The Friend who was appointed to read the Testimony against Daniel Robins reports that he has perform’d that Service. (Note: This record seems to be 12 August 1762 and about 6 months later, by 21 February 1763, Daniel was dead, as we know from his probate records.) Let me know if that clears it up! Tracey On 9/5/2017 1:43 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Am I reading this correctly? It's been determined that the Daniel ROBINS who died in 1763 and married second Frances ------ (who married John PIERCE c1764) is actually the son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756) and NOT Daniel III ?? I must have missed that discussion. > The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early > research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel > was Daniel Robins, III. However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member > of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of > Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job > Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I > believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when > her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances Robins > married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is > recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, > late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased only that her > name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1675 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-06 09:47:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel (b 1666) Message: Hmmm ... yeh ... you're right. But didn't someone say we know Daniel (b 1666) had 11 sons? (I don't know how we know that.) If we know Daniel had 11 sons, and taking into account the article, can we presume two daughters? > Wow! But the way it is worded, it could mean the 11 > included the sons, daughters, sons in law and daughters > in law, right? > :-( > In the 1733 Boston Gazette article, in one place it states "eleven Sons & > Daughters In-Law". Later in the article it states "he never lost a Child > nor Grand-Child, Son in-law nor Daughter in-law". And then later in the > article it states "every one of his Children and Grand-Children, Sons [my > note - plural] in-law and Daughters in-law". > > Maybe we can presume 11 sons and 2 daughters from that. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1676 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-06 09:51:02 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel ROBINS (b 1666) Message: I've wondered that, too. Maybe the article appeared in another newspaper closer to home and was "picked up" by the Boston Gazette? > The article was in the Boston Gazette? Wasn't it kinda far to go to > Hunterdon, NJ. Wonder how they heard about him. >> In the 1733 Boston Gazette article, in one place it states "eleven Sons & >> Daughters In-Law". Later in the article it states "he never lost a Child >> nor Grand-Child, Son in-law nor Daughter in-law". And then later in the >> article it states "every one of his Children and Grand-Children, Sons [my >> note - plural] in-law and Daughters in-law". >> >> Maybe we can presume 11 sons and 2 daughters from that. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1677 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-06 10:10:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel ROBINS (b 1666) Message: And he was in great health, walking 40 miles a day, and croaked 4 years later. Poor guy. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > I've wondered that, too. Maybe the article appeared in another newspaper > closer to home and was "picked up" by the Boston Gazette? > > > The article was in the Boston Gazette? Wasn't it kinda far to go to > > Hunterdon, NJ. Wonder how they heard about him. > > >> In the 1733 Boston Gazette article, in one place it states "eleven Sons & > >> Daughters In-Law". Later in the article it states "he never lost a Child > >> nor Grand-Child, Son in-law nor Daughter in-law". And then later in the > >> article it states "every one of his Children and Grand-Children, Sons [my > >> note - plural] in-law and Daughters in-law". > >> > >> Maybe we can presume 11 sons and 2 daughters from that. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1678 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-06 10:14:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Sara, What tells us that Joshua is a son of Daniel (b 1666)? > I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to > be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there > documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel > Jr.????????s children too? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1679 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-06 10:36:51 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Marshall, See Tracey's response to my question on Elisha Robins & Amos & Lydia Thatcher yesterday. She also shows the record that connects Daniel Robins, Jr. to Joshua Robins. I believe the between dates she proposes for Daniel Robins, Jr's death to be reasonable. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 10:15 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Sara, What tells us that Joshua is a son of Daniel (b 1666)? > I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to > be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there > documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel > Jr.????????s children too? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1680 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-06 11:15:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: I see several trees having Daniel Robinsons' parents as buried in the USA. Is there proof of that? Seems strange he'd be brought her as a slave and then they would move here. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:36 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Marshall, > > See Tracey’s response to my question on Elisha Robins & Amos & Lydia Thatcher yesterday. She also shows the record that connects Daniel Robins, Jr. to Joshua Robins. I believe the between dates she proposes for Daniel Robins, Jr’s death to be reasonable. > > Sara > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 10:15 AM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ > > > > > > > Sara, > > What tells us that Joshua is a son of Daniel (b 1666)? > > > I agree the first 6 children you have on the list have been identified to > > be children of Daniel Robins Jr. by reliable documents. Are there > > documents that link Elisha Robins & Lydia w/o of Amos Thatcher as Daniel > > Jr.????????s children too? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1681 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-06 13:18:39 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Tracey, I think your analysis is reasonable and stands up to my scrutiny. Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for each of them? I have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it shows: Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 I exchanged a couple of messages with Martha Heywood a while back and she believes (through circumstantial evidence) that William and Deborah (identified as a sister to William in her husband's, Jonathan Pettit, will) are children of Daniel (b 1666). Martha also connects William to the HUNT family, specifically Thomas Hunt. For what it's worth, in a book by Chuck Poley and Gary Robins (I don't know if anyone remembers them besides myself and Sara) they name the additional children (after the first 5) as possibly William, Elisha, Timothy, Richard, Elizabeth, Ephraim, Deborah and Hannah. > My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son > of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can > consider it and discuss it. > > As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in > Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, > March 27 1737: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > Amos Thatcher No. 9 > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned > by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the > mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I > believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between > 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 > when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. > > My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were > "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was > probably property they inherited. > > I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage > property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would > mean that they were all born before 1716. > > Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's > shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and > Elisha Robins > > In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /Mortgages/ > > Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the > description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a > Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match > below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that > were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. [remainder snipped] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1682 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-06 20:01:02 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Tracey, Have some questions. - It took 4 yrs to get approved? - They lived in Amwell Twp and applied in Chesterfield Twp; 30 miles away? - They attended meetings in Bucks County; a different state and 235 miles away? Gary Robins said Daniel Jr lived in Freehold Twp, moved to Bucks Co, Pa a few years, and was back in NJ by 1717, when he obtained permission to hold meetings in his home for Friends living in Belvidere, NJ (just north o f Hunterdon Co). Sara, Below are why I thought Mary Parker was Daniel's 2nd wife, and Frances his 3rd. Robins of Hunterdon Co, NJ lists Daniel born abt 1666 and died Jan/Feb 1763 Anwell Twp, Hunterdon. Father was Daniel. Wife Frances died 1763/1764. (Posted online by Marshall) First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge NJ lists Daniel Jr with first wife Mary Parker, we'd 24 Nov 1691; second wife Frances, wed after 1692. I think I made assumptions Mary Parker was a second wife with records that state "Daniel's 2nd wife, Mary". Didn't dawn on me there would be two Marys. I know at least one place stated Mary Parker was a second wife, but it may have been a notation in a family tree. All, To throw a wrench into everything, I've run into several places that say Daniel Robinson's parents are buried in NJ. Is there proof of that? Thanks, Cindy iPad > On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Hi Marshall, > > That is correct. The Daniel who died in 1763 in Hunterdon Co. is the son of Job. > > The most recent discussion about it was in this thread: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/1476 > > It's kind of a lot to slog through. > You can probably come up to speed pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/) > > But also, the Quaker records for Kingwood that Ancestry recently posted in their collection titled U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 are VERY telling. > See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2189 > > They show that the ONLY Robins who were admitted to the Society at Kingwood were Job Robins, his wife, and their children. > The admittance record does not name Job's children. But from his will we know they were: > Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all under age in January 1756. > > Here is a transcription of the two Kingwood records that talk about the family's admittance: > > p. 63, Minutes, 1744-1858 > 8th day 1st month 1756 > Job Robins requested that he and his wife and children may be taken under the care and notices of this monthly meeting as members of our Religious Society. Jacob Large & Jacob Birdshal are desired to enquire concernin g their conduct in Life and Conversation and make report according as they shall find to our next Monthly meeting. > > p. 65, Minutes 1744-1858 > 12th day, 2nd month, 1756 > Those friends who were appointed to Enquire concerning Job Robins and his wife and Childrens conducts report that upon Enquiry they find nothing to obstruct their being joined as members with us of our Religious Socie ty wherefore we receive them as such under the care and Notice of this Monthly meeting. > > (Note: Job wrote his will 19 Jan 1756; the inventory was taken 2 Apr 1756; the will was proved 17 May 1756.) > > The Daniel who was a member at Kingwood was later removed from the Society due to drinking, cursing, and horse racing. > Several of Job's other children (Andrew, Elizabeth, Lidia, and Rachel, whose married name was Chidister) and even his widow Abigail were also removed from Kingwood, for marrying outside the Society. > > I have only transcribed the records pertaining to Abigail (Job's widow) and Daniel. > The records of Daniel certainly could explain how he died at presumably such a young age. If he was younger than 21 in 1756, he must have been only in his late 20s in 1763. > > Records for Abigail Hunt (formerly widow of Job Robbins): > p. 34, Women�s minutes > 11th day 8th month 1757 > > > Abigail Hunt, late widow of Job Robins, Having Since the Death of her former husband proceeded in marriage with Thomas Hunt who in respect of religion is of a different opinion from us contrary to the Rules of Discip line Established among Friends, and she having been tenderly dealt with to bring her to a sense of her outgoings and misconduct therein but she refuseth to make any satisfaction to Friends but says she rather chuseth [ chooseth] to be testified against and to be publicly declared to be no member of our religious society wherefore this meeting with the concurrence of the Brethern declares her to be out of Unity and no member of our Rel igious Society until she give Friends of this Meeting Satisfaction for the same and by a Circumspect conduct in her Life and consideration she shall render herself worth of the receipt of the Friends into Unity and Fell owship with them again and we desire the Clerk to get a Testification drawn according to this Minute read to be sign�d at our next Monthly Meeting > > > p. 83, Minutes, 1744-1858 > 8th day of the 12th month 1757 > At the request of friends of the Women�s Meeting, John Simcock is desired to read the Testification against Abigail Hunt before our next Monthly meeting at the breaking up of Some first days meeting at Kingwood. > > > > Records for Daniel Robins: > p. 87 Minutes, 1744-1858 > 10th day of the 7th month 1758 > At this Meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn�d under his hand his proceeding in marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline which was read & received as Satisfaction. > > p. 121, Minutes 1744-1858 > 12th day of the 11th month of 1761 > The representatives being call�d all appear�d. Kingswood representatives report that Daniel Robins is found Guilty of Drinking Spiritious Liquors to Excess several pints and also it is reported that is apt to swear, a nd horse racing, and Overseers have treated with him on that account and he yet Neglects to give Satisfaction to this Meeting therefore this Meeting appoints James Willson and Jacob Large to Treat further with him on that account and make report to our next Monthly meeting. > > > p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 > 10th day of the 12th month of 1761 > One of the Friends who were appointed at last Meeting to Treat with Daniel Robins Reports that they have done that Service and found him Sensible of his Misconduct but desires he may be indulg�d with longer time of co nsideration and this complies with his request in that behalf till next monthly meeting. > > p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 > 11th day of the 1st month of 1762 > The Case of Daniel Robins is defer�d to be further consider�d at our next Monthly Meeting. > > p. 123, Minutes 1744-1858 > 11th day of the 2nd month of 1762 > The Case of Daniel Robins coming under consideration. It is the Judgement of this Meeting that a Testimony ought to go against him and his Scandalous Practises, wherefore James Willson and Samuel Kesster are appointe d to prepare an Essay of Testimony against him and produce the same at our next Monthly Meeting. > > p. 123-124, Minutes 1744-1858 > 11th day of the 3rd month of 1762 > At this Meeting James Willson and Samuel Kesster produced an Essay of Testimony against Daniel Robins which was read and approved of and signed Jacob Birdsall is appointed to read the same to him and give him a copy o f it if he desire it and also to let him know that he hath the right of an Appeal provided that he notifie [notify] the same within the time limited by the Discipline. > > p. 126, Minutes 1744-1858 > 8th day of the 7th month of 1762 > Samuel Kesster is appointed to read the Testimony Issued against Daniel Robins at the breaking up of a First day�s Meeting and make report to our next Monthly Meeting. > > p. 127, Minutes 1744-1858 > 12th day of the 8th month of 1762 > The Friend who was appointed to read the Testimony against Daniel Robins reports that he has perform�d that Service. > > (Note: This record seems to be 12 August 1762 and about 6 months later, by 21 February 1763, Daniel was dead, as we know from his probate records.) > Let me know if that clears it up! > > Tracey > > >> On 9/5/2017 1:43 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> Am I reading this correctly? It's been determined that the Daniel ROBINS >> who died in 1763 and married second Frances ------ (who married John PIERCE >> c1764) is actually the son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756) and NOT Daniel III ?? >> >> I must have missed that discussion. >> >> > The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early >> > research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel >> > was Daniel Robins, III. However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member >> > of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of >> > Robins Tavern wasn�t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job >> > Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I >> > believe Tracey�s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when >> > her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn�t have a Will. Frances Robins >> > married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is >> > recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, >> > late Frances Robins. Late doesn�t mean she was deceased only that her >> > name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. >> >> -- >> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1683 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-06 20:43:28 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Cindy, Research done back in 2004/5 by our former Robbins group that included John Taylor, Marshall Lake, Gary Robins, John German, Brian Robbins, Sara (me) & other family researchers reached the conclusion that it was Daniel Robins III with wife Frances who died in 1763. Recently Tracey’s research shows this information to be incorrect & the Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was not Daniel Robins III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. There is no proof that Daniel Robins, Sr.’s parents came to America. All we know are the names of his parents. I have seen trees online that give a lengthy family history of Daniel’s family going back many generations. None of this is correct & no proof for any of it. You have my explanation on why Mary Parker wasn’t the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr. This is fairly cut & dried with reliable documentation. Genealogy is an evolving process & there are no researchers that are 100% c orrect including those from previous generations. However, I’ve found the Robbins family researchers that are members of this group & our former group to be among the best. Sara Have some questions. - It took 4 yrs to get approved? - They lived in Amwell Twp and applied in Chesterfield Twp; 30 miles away? - They attended meetings in Bucks County; a different state and 235 miles away? Gary Robins said Daniel Jr lived in Freehold Twp, moved to Bucks Co, Pa a few years, and was back in NJ by 1717, when he obtained permission to hold meetings in his home for Friends living in Belvidere, NJ (just north o f Hunterdon Co). Sara, Below are why I thought Mary Parker was Daniel's 2nd wife, and Frances his 3rd. Robins of Hunterdon Co, NJ lists Daniel born abt 1666 and died Jan/Feb 1763 Anwell Twp, Hunterdon. Father was Daniel. Wife Frances died 1763/1764. (Posted online by Marshall) First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge NJ lists Daniel Jr with first wife Mary Parker, we'd 24 Nov 1691; second wife Frances, wed after 1692. I think I made assumptions Mary Parker was a second wife with records that state "Daniel's 2nd wife, Mary". Didn't dawn on me there would be two Marys. I know at least one place stated Mary Parker was a second wife, but it may have been a notation in a family tree. All, To throw a wrench into everything, I've run into several places that say Daniel Robinson's parents are buried in NJ. Is there proof of that? Thanks, Cindy iPad On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Hi Marshall, That is correct. The Daniel who died in 1763 in Hunterdon Co. is the son of Job. The most recent discussion about it was in this thread: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics /1476 It's kind of a lot to slog through. You can probably come up to speed pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: http: //goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/) But also, the Quaker records for Kingwood that Ancestry recently posted in their collection titled U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 are VERY telling. See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2189 They show that the ONLY Robins who were admitted to the Society at Kingwood were Job Robins, his wife, and their children. The admittance record does not name Job's children. But from his will we know they were: Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all under age in January 1756. Here is a transcription of the two Kingwood records that talk about the family's admittance: p. 63, Minutes, 1744-1858 8th day 1st month 1756 Job Robins requested that he and his wife and children may be taken under the care and notices of this monthly meeting as members of our Religious Society. Jacob Large & Jacob Birdshal are desired to enquire concerning their conduct in Life and Conversation and make report according as they shall find to our next Monthly meeting. p. 65, Minutes 1744-1858 12th day, 2nd month, 1756 Those friends who were appointed to Enquire concerning Job Robins and his wife and Childrens conducts report that upon Enquiry they find nothing to obstruct their being joined as members with us of our Religious Society wherefore we receive them as such under the care and Notice of this Monthly meeting. (Note: Job wrote his will 19 Jan 1756; the inventory was taken 2 Apr 1756; the will was proved 17 May 1756.) The Daniel who was a member at Kingwood was later removed from the Society due to drinking, cursing, and horse racing. Several of Job's other children (Andrew, Elizabeth, Lidia, and Rachel, whose married name was Chidister) and even his widow Abigail were also removed from Kingwood, for marrying outside the Society. I have only transcribed the records pertaining to Abigail (Job's widow) and Daniel. The records of Daniel certainly could explain how he died at presumably such a young age. If he was younger than 21 in 1756, he must have been only in his late 20s in 1763. Records for Abigail Hunt (formerly widow of Job Robbins): p. 34, Women’s minutes 11th day 8th month 1757 Abigail Hunt, late widow of Job Robins, Having Since the Death of her former husband proceeded in marriage with Thomas Hunt who in respect of religion is of a different opinion from us contrary to the Rules of Discipli ne Established among Friends, and she having been tenderly dealt with to bring her to a sense of her outgoings and misconduct therein but she refuseth to make any satisfaction to Friends but says she rather chuseth [ch ooseth] to be testified against and to be publicly declared to be no member of our religious society wherefore this meeting with the concurrence of the Brethern declares her to be out of Unity and no member of our Relig ious Society until she give Friends of this Meeting Satisfaction for the same and by a Circumspect conduct in her Life and consideration she shall render herself worth of the receipt of the Friends into Unity and Fellow ship with them again and we desire the Clerk to get a Testification drawn according to this Minute read to be sign’d at our next Monthly Meeting p. 83, Minutes, 1744-1858 8th day of the 12th month 1757 At the request of friends of the Women’s Meeting, John Simcock is desired to read the Testification against Abigail Hunt before our next Monthly meeting at the breaking up of Some first days meeting at Kingwood. Records for Daniel Robins: p. 87 Minutes, 1744-1858 10th day of the 7th month 1758 At this Meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn’d under his hand his proceeding in marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline which was read & received as Satisfaction. p. 121, Minutes 1744-1858 12th day of the 11th month of 1761 The representatives being call’d all appear’d. Kingswood representatives report that Daniel Robins is found Guilty of Drinking Spiritious Liquors to Excess several pints and also it is reported that is apt to swear, and horse racing, and Overseers have treated with him on that account and he yet Neglects to give Satisfaction to this Meeting therefore this Meeting appoints James Willson and Jacob Large to Treat further with him on that account and make report to our next Monthly meeting. p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 10th day of the 12th month of 1761 One of the Friends who were appointed at last Meeting to Treat with Daniel Robins Reports that they have done that Service and found him Sensible of his Misconduct but desires he may be indulg’d with longer time of cons ideration and this complies with his request in that behalf till next monthly meeting. p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 11th day of the 1st month of 1762 The Case of Daniel Robins is defer’d to be further consider’d at our next Monthly Meeting. p. 123, Minutes 1744-1858 11th day of the 2nd month of 1762 The Case of Daniel Robins coming under consideration. It is the Judgement of this Meeting that a Testimony ought to go against him and his Scandalous Practises, wherefore James Willson and Samuel Kesster are appointed to prepare an Essay of Testimony against him and produce the same at our next Monthly Meeting. p. 123-124, Minutes 1744-1858 11th day of the 3rd month of 1762 At this Meeting James Willson and Samuel Kesster produced an Essay of Testimony against Daniel Robins which was read and approved of and signed Jacob Birdsall is appointed to read the same to him and give him a copy of it if he desire it and also to let him know that he hath the right of an Appeal provided that he notifie [notify] the same within the time limited by the Discipline. p. 126, Minutes 1744-1858 8th day of the 7th month of 1762 Samuel Kesster is appointed to read the Testimony Issued against Daniel Robins at the breaking up of a First day’s Meeting and make report to our next Monthly Meeting. p. 127, Minutes 1744-1858 12th day of the 8th month of 1762 The Friend who was appointed to read the Testimony against Daniel Robins reports that he has perform’d that Service. (Note: This record seems to be 12 August 1762 and about 6 months later, by 21 February 1763, Daniel was dead, as we know from his probate records.) Let me know if that clears it up! Tracey On 9/5/2017 1:43 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@...t [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Am I reading this correctly? It's been determined that the Daniel ROBINS who died in 1763 and married second Frances ------ (who married John PIERCE c1764) is actually the son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756) and NOT Daniel III ?? I must have missed that discussion. > The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early > research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel > was Daniel Robins, III. However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member > of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of > Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job > Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I > believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when > her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances Robins > married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is > recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, > late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased only that her > name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1684 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-09-06 17:55:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Excellent! Thanks Marshall. That means a lot to me coming from you! I only remember seeing one mortgage for each person. :-( Would it be possible to find who the other mortgages (11 to 19) are assigned to in the partial index you have? And yes...I've often wondered about Deborah and William. I had no idea that William also connects to the Hunt family. Fascinating! Tracey On 9/6/2017 3:18 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: � Tracey, I think your analysis is reasonable and stands up to my scrutiny. Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for each of them? I have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it shows: Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 I exchanged a couple of messages with Martha Heywood a while back and she believes (through circumstantial evidence) that William and Deborah (identified as a sister to William in her husband's, Jonathan Pettit, will) are children of Daniel (b 1666). Martha also connects William to the HUNT family, specifically Thomas Hunt. For what it's worth, in a book by Chuck Poley and Gary Robins (I don't know if anyone remembers them besides myself and Sara) they name the additional children (after the first 5) as possibly William, Elisha, Timothy, Richard, Elizabeth, Ephraim, Deborah and Hannah. > My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son > of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can > consider it and discuss it. > > As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in > Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, > March 27 1737: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > Amos Thatcher No. 9 > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned > by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the > mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I > believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between > 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 > when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. > > My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were > "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was > probably property they inherited. > > I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage > property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would > mean that they were all born before 1716. > > Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's > shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and > Elisha Robins > > In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /Mortgages/ > > Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the > description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a > Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match > below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that > were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. [remainder snipped] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1685 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-06 21:48:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: iPad > On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:43 PM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Cindy, > > Research done back in 2004/5 by our former Robbins group that included John Taylor, Marshall Lake, Gary Robins, John German, Brian Robbins, Sara (me) & other family researchers > The online post was updated Nov 2008. > reached the conclusion that it was Daniel Robins III with wife Frances who died in 1763. > I just printed the post last month. It's unfortunate the info, which clearly is for Daniel Jr., has not been updated. > Recently Tracey�s research shows this information to be incorrect & the Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was not Daniel Robins III but Daniel Robins son of Job Robins. > > There is no proof that Daniel Robins, Sr.�s parents came to America. All we know are the names of his parents. I have seen trees online that give a lengthy family history of Daniel�s family going back many generations . None of this is correct & no proof for any of it. > Thanks. I haven't been able to find proof but haven't spent much time on them. > You have my explanation on why Mary Parker wasn�t the second wife of Daniel Robins, Jr. This is fairly cut & dried with reliable documentation. > You asked me where I saw Mary listed as second wife. I'm not arguing with you whether it's true or not, just giving you what you'd asked. > Genealogy is an evolving process & there are no researchers that are 100% correct including those from previous generations. However, I�ve found the Robbins family researchers that are members of this group & our form er group to be among the best. > Everything I mentioned came from your group, past or present, except the First Settlers book. I've borrowed info from trees if they have a source, but I look at the source also. I'm asking questions for clarification. My ancestors beyond my great-grandfather is a very new discovery and my family is counting on me to provide an accurate tree in a very short amount of time. > Sara > Thanks, Cindy > > > > > > > > > Have some questions. > > - It took 4 yrs to get approved? > > - They lived in Amwell Twp and applied in Chesterfield Twp; 30 miles away? > > - They attended meetings in Bucks County; a different state and 235 miles away? > > > > Gary Robins said Daniel Jr lived in Freehold Twp, moved to Bucks Co, Pa a few years, and was back in NJ by 1717, when he obtained permission to hold meetings in his home for Friends living in Belvidere, NJ (just north of Hunterdon Co). > > > > Sara, > > Below are why I thought Mary Parker was Daniel's 2nd wife, and Frances his 3rd. > > > > Robins of Hunterdon Co, NJ lists Daniel born abt 1666 and died Jan/Feb 1763 Anwell Twp, Hunterdon. Father was Daniel. Wife Frances died 1763/1764. (Posted online by Marshall) > > > > First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge NJ lists Daniel Jr with first wife Mary Parker, we'd 24 Nov 1691; second wife Frances, wed after 1692. > > > > I think I made assumptions Mary Parker was a second wife with records that state "Daniel's 2nd wife, Mary". Didn't dawn on me there would be two Marys. I know at least one place stated Mary Parker was a second wife, b ut it may have been a notation in a family tree. > > > > All, > > To throw a wrench into everything, I've run into several places that say Daniel Robinson's parents are buried in NJ. Is there proof of that? > > > > Thanks, > > Cindy > > > > > > > > > > iPad > > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Hi Marshall, > > That is correct. The Daniel who died in 1763 in Hunterdon Co. is the son of Job. > > The most recent discussion about it was in this thread: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/1476 > > It's kind of a lot to slog through. > You can probably come up to speed pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/) > > But also, the Quaker records for Kingwood that Ancestry recently posted in their collection titled U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 are VERY telling. > See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2189 > > They show that the ONLY Robins who were admitted to the Society at Kingwood were Job Robins, his wife, and their children. > The admittance record does not name Job's children. But from his will we know they were: > Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all under age in January 1756. > > Here is a transcription of the two Kingwood records that talk about the family's admittance: > > p. 63, Minutes, 1744-1858 > 8th day 1st month 1756 > Job Robins requested that he and his wife and children may be taken under the care and notices of this monthly meeting as members of our Religious Society. Jacob Large & Jacob Birdshal are desired to enquire concernin g their conduct in Life and Conversation and make report according as they shall find to our next Monthly meeting. > > p. 65, Minutes 1744-1858 > 12th day, 2nd month, 1756 > Those friends who were appointed to Enquire concerning Job Robins and his wife and Childrens conducts report that upon Enquiry they find nothing to obstruct their being joined as members with us of our Religious Socie ty wherefore we receive them as such under the care and Notice of this Monthly meeting. > > (Note: Job wrote his will 19 Jan 1756; the inventory was taken 2 Apr 1756; the will was proved 17 May 1756.) > > The Daniel who was a member at Kingwood was later removed from the Society due to drinking, cursing, and horse racing. > Several of Job's other children (Andrew, Elizabeth, Lidia, and Rachel, whose married name was Chidister) and even his widow Abigail were also removed from Kingwood, for marrying outside the Society. > > I have only transcribed the records pertaining to Abigail (Job's widow) and Daniel. > The records of Daniel certainly could explain how he died at presumably such a young age. If he was younger than 21 in 1756, he must have been only in his late 20s in 1763. > > Records for Abigail Hunt (formerly widow of Job Robbins): > p. 34, Women�s minutes > 11th day 8th month 1757 > > Abigail Hunt, late widow of Job Robins, Having Since the Death of her former husband proceeded in marriage with Thomas Hunt who in respect of religion is of a different opinion from us contrary to the Rules of Discip line Established among Friends, and she having been tenderly dealt with to bring her to a sense of her outgoings and misconduct therein but she refuseth to make any satisfaction to Friends but says she rather chuseth [ chooseth] to be testified against and to be publicly declared to be no member of our religious society wherefore this meeting with the concurrence of the Brethern declares her to be out of Unity and no member of our Rel igious Society until she give Friends of this Meeting Satisfaction for the same and by a Circumspect conduct in her Life and consideration she shall render herself worth of the receipt of the Friends into Unity and Fell owship with them again and we desire the Clerk to get a Testification drawn according to this Minute read to be sign�d at our next Monthly Meeting > > p. 83, Minutes, 1744-1858 > 8th day of the 12th month 1757 > At the request of friends of the Women�s Meeting, John Simcock is desired to read the Testification against Abigail Hunt before our next Monthly meeting at the breaking up of Some first days meeting at Kingwood. > > > > Records for Daniel Robins: > > > p. 87 Minutes, 1744-1858 > 10th day of the 7th month 1758 > At this Meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn�d under his hand his proceeding in marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline which was read & received as Satisfaction. > > p. 121, Minutes 1744-1858 > 12th day of the 11th month of 1761 > The representatives being call�d all appear�d. Kingswood representatives report that Daniel Robins is found Guilty of Drinking Spiritious Liquors to Excess several pints and also it is reported that is apt to swear, a nd horse racing, and Overseers have treated with him on that account and he yet Neglects to give Satisfaction to this Meeting therefore this Meeting appoints James Willson and Jacob Large to Treat further with him on th at account and make report to our next Monthly meeting. > > p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 > 10th day of the 12th month of 1761 > One of the Friends who were appointed at last Meeting to Treat with Daniel Robins Reports that they have done that Service and found him Sensible of his Misconduct but desires he may be indulg�d with longer time of co nsideration and this complies with his request in that behalf till next monthly meeting. > > p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 > 11th day of the 1st month of 1762 > The Case of Daniel Robins is defer�d to be further consider�d at our next Monthly Meeting. > > p. 123, Minutes 1744-1858 > 11th day of the 2nd month of 1762 > The Case of Daniel Robins coming under consideration. It is the Judgement of this Meeting that a Testimony ought to go against him and his Scandalous Practises, wherefore James Willson and Samuel Kesster are appointe d to prepare an Essay of Testimony against him and produce the same at our next Monthly Meeting. > > p. 123-124, Minutes 1744-1858 > 11th day of the 3rd month of 1762 > At this Meeting James Willson and Samuel Kesster produced an Essay of Testimony against Daniel Robins which was read and approved of and signed Jacob Birdsall is appointed to read the same to him and give him a copy o f it if he desire it and also to let him know that he hath the right of an Appeal provided that he notifie [notify] the same within the time limited by the Discipline. > > p. 126, Minutes 1744-1858 > 8th day of the 7th month of 1762 > Samuel Kesster is appointed to read the Testimony Issued against Daniel Robins at the breaking up of a First day�s Meeting and make report to our next Monthly Meeting. > > p. 127, Minutes 1744-1858 > 12th day of the 8th month of 1762 > The Friend who was appointed to read the Testimony against Daniel Robins reports that he has perform�d that Service. > > (Note: This record seems to be 12 August 1762 and about 6 months later, by 21 February 1763, Daniel was dead, as we know from his probate records.) > > Let me know if that clears it up! > > Tracey > > > > On 9/5/2017 1:43 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > Am I reading this correctly? It's been determined that the Daniel ROBINS > who died in 1763 and married second Frances ------ (who married John PIERCE > c1764) is actually the son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756) and NOT Daniel III ?? > > I must have missed that discussion. > > > The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early > > research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel > > was Daniel Robins, III. However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member > > of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of > > Robins Tavern wasn�t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job > > Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I > > believe Tracey�s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when > > her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn�t have a Will. Frances Robins > > married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is > > recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, > > late Frances Robins. Late doesn�t mean she was deceased only that her > > name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1686 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 02:22:53 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Hi, Jonathan Pettit was born in 1721. His wife, Deborah, was probably born later than that. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:18 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Tracey, I think your analysis is reasonable and stands up to my scrutiny. Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for each of them? I have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it shows: Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 I exchanged a couple of messages with Martha Heywood a while back and she believes (through circumstantial evidence) that William and Deborah (identified as a sister to William in her husband's, Jonathan Pettit, will) are children of Daniel (b 1666). Martha also connects William to the HUNT family, specifically Thomas Hunt. For what it's worth, in a book by Chuck Poley and Gary Robins (I don't know if anyone remembers them besides myself and Sara) they name the additional children (after the first 5) as possibly William, Elisha, Timothy, Richard, Elizabeth, Ephraim, Deborah and Hannah. > My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son > of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can > consider it and discuss it. > > As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in > Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, > March 27 1737: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > Amos Thatcher No. 9 > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned > by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the > mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I > believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between > 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 > when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. > > My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were > "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was > probably property they inherited. > > I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage > property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would > mean that they were all born before 1716. > > Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's > shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and > Elisha Robins > > In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /Mortgages/ > > Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the > description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a > Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match > below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that > were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. [remainder snipped] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1687 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 05:53:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Hi, The Quaker records I cite in this thread are for Kingwood Monthly Meeting. It is in Hunterdon Co. Ancestry.com also seems to have them indexed under "Quakertown" so I assume it is the same "Quakertown" known in Hunterdon today. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaker_Meeting_(Quakertown,_New_Jersey) The Monthly Meetings in Chesterfield and Bucks have nothing to do with these records. I'm not sure what you mean about it taking 4 years to be approved... Job requested that he and his family be admitted around the 8th day 1st month 1756 and they were admitted on the 12th day, 2nd month, 1756. That's a period of about a month or from one meeting to the next meeting. Tracey On 9/6/2017 10:01 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Have some questions. - It took 4 yrs to get approved? - They lived in Amwell Twp and applied in Chesterfield Twp; 30 miles away? - They attended meetings in Bucks County; a different state and 235 miles away? Gary Robins said Daniel Jr lived in Freehold Twp, moved to Bucks Co, Pa a few years, and was back in NJ by 1717, when he obtained permission to hold meetings in his home for Friends living in Belvidere, NJ (just north of Hunterdon Co). Sara, Below are why I thought Mary Parker was Daniel's 2nd wife, and Frances his 3rd. Robins of Hunterdon Co, NJ lists Daniel born abt 1666 and died Jan/Feb 1763 Anwell Twp, Hunterdon. Father was Daniel. Wife Frances died 1763/1764. (Posted online by Marshall) First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge NJ lists Daniel Jr with first wife Mary Parker, we'd 24 Nov 1691; second wife Frances, wed after 1692. I think I made assumptions Mary Parker was a second wife with records that state "Daniel's 2nd wife, Mary". Didn't dawn on me there would be two Marys. I know at least one place stated Mary Parker was a second wife, but it may have been a notation in a family tree. All, To throw a wrench into everything, I've run into several places that say Daniel Robinson's parents are buried in NJ. Is there proof of that? Thanks, Cindy iPad On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Marshall, That is correct. The Daniel who died in 1763 in Hunterdon Co. is the son of Job. The most recent discussion about it was in this thread: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/1476 It's kind of a lot to slog through. You can probably come up to speed pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/) But also, the Quaker records for Kingwood that Ancestry recently posted in their collection titled U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 are VERY telling. See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2189 They show that the ONLY Robins who were admitted to the Society at Kingwood were Job Robins, his wife, and their children. The admittance record does not name Job's children. But from his will we know they were: Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all under age in January 1756. Here is a transcription of the two Kingwood records that talk about the family's admittance: p. 63, Minutes, 1744-1858 8^th day 1^st month 1756 Job Robins requested that he and his wife and children may be taken under the care and notices of this monthly meeting as members of our Religious Society. Jacob Large & Jacob Birdshal are desired to enquire concerning their conduct in Life and Conversation and make report according as they shall find to our next Monthly meeting. p. 65, Minutes 1744-1858 12^th day, 2^nd month, 1756 Those friends who were appointed to Enquire concerning Job Robins and his wife and Childrens conducts report that upon Enquiry they find nothing to obstruct their being joined as members with us of our Religious Society wherefore we receive them as such under the care and Notice of this Monthly meeting. (Note: Job wrote his will 19 Jan 1756; the inventory was taken 2 Apr 1756; the will was proved 17 May 1756.) The Daniel who was a member at Kingwood was later removed from the Society due to drinking, cursing, and horse racing. Several of Job's other children (Andrew, Elizabeth, Lidia, and Rachel, whose married name was Chidister) and even his widow Abigail were also removed from Kingwood, for marrying outside the Society. I have only transcribed the records pertaining to Abigail (Job's widow) and Daniel. The records of Daniel certainly could explain how he died at presumably such a young age. If he was younger than 21 in 1756, he must have been only in his late 20s in 1763. Records for Abigail Hunt (formerly widow of Job Robbins): p. 34, Women’s minutes 11^th day 8^th month 1757 Abigail Hunt, late widow of Job Robins, Having Since the Death of her former husband proceeded in marriage with Thomas Hunt who in respect of religion is of a different opinion from us contrary to the Rules of Discipline Established among Friends, and she having been tenderly dealt with to bring her to a sense of her outgoings and misconduct therein but she refuseth to make any satisfaction to Friends but says she rather chuseth [chooseth] to be testified against and to be publicly declared to be no member of our religious society wherefore this meeting with the concurrence of the Brethern declares her to be out of Unity and no member of our Religious Society until she give Friends of this Meeting Satisfaction for the same and by a Circumspect conduct in her Life and consideration she shall render herself worth of the receipt of the Friends into Unity and Fellowship with them again and we desire the Clerk to get a Testification drawn according to this Minute read to be sign’d at our next Monthly Meeting p. 83, Minutes, 1744-1858 8^th day of the 12^th month 1757 At the request of friends of the Women’s Meeting, John Simcock is desired to read the Testification against Abigail Hunt before our next Monthly meeting at the breaking up of Some first days meeting at Kingwood. Records for Daniel Robins: p. 87 Minutes, 1744-1858 10^th day of the 7^th month 1758 At this Meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn’d under his hand his proceeding in marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline which was read & received as Satisfaction. p. 121, Minutes 1744-1858 12^th day of the 11^th month of 1761 The representatives being call’d all appear’d. Kingswood representatives report that Daniel Robins is found Guilty of Drinking Spiritious Liquors to Excess several pints and also it is reported that is apt to swear, and horse racing, and Overseers have treated with him on that account and he yet Neglects to give Satisfaction to this Meeting therefore this Meeting appoints James Willson and Jacob Large to Treat further with him on that account and make report to our next Monthly meeting. p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 10^th day of the 12^th month of 1761 One of the Friends who were appointed at last Meeting to Treat with Daniel Robins Reports that they have done that Service and found him Sensible of his Misconduct but desires he may be indulg’d with longer time of consideration and this complies with his request in that behalf till next monthly meeting. p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 11^th day of the 1^st month of 1762 The Case of Daniel Robins is defer’d to be further consider’d at our next Monthly Meeting. p. 123, Minutes 1744-1858 11^th day of the 2^nd month of 1762 The Case of Daniel Robins coming under consideration. It is the Judgement of this Meeting that a Testimony ought to go against him and his Scandalous Practises, wherefore James Willson and Samuel Kesster are appointed to prepare an Essay of Testimony against him and produce the same at our next Monthly Meeting. p. 123-124, Minutes 1744-1858 11^th day of the 3^rd month of 1762 At this Meeting James Willson and Samuel Kesster produced an Essay of Testimony against Daniel Robins which was read and approved of and signed Jacob Birdsall is appointed to read the same to him and give him a copy of it if he desire it and also to let him know that he hath the right of an Appeal provided that he notifie [notify] the same within the time limited by the Discipline. p. 126, Minutes 1744-1858 8^th day of the 7^th month of 1762 Samuel Kesster is appointed to read the Testimony Issued against Daniel Robins at the breaking up of a First day’s Meeting and make report to our next Monthly Meeting. p. 127, Minutes 1744-1858 12^th day of the 8^th month of 1762 The Friend who was appointed to read the Testimony against Daniel Robins reports that he has perform’d that Service. (Note: This record seems to be 12 August 1762 and about 6 months later, by 21 February 1763, Daniel was dead, as we know from his probate records.) Let me know if that clears it up! Tracey On 9/5/2017 1:43 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Am I reading this correctly? It's been determined that the Daniel ROBINS who died in 1763 and married second Frances ------ (who married John PIERCE c1764) is actually the son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756) and NOT Daniel III ?? I must have missed that discussion. > The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early > research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel > was Daniel Robins, III. However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member > of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of > Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job > Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I > believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when > her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances Robins > married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is > recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, > late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased only that her > name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1688 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 07:03:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Hi Tracey, I'm talking about the records for Daniel Jr, which you linked in this post: "It's kind of a lot to slog through. You can probably come up to speed pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/)" Thanks, Cindy iPad > On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Hi, > > The Quaker records I cite in this thread are for Kingwood Monthly Meeting. It is in Hunterdon Co. Ancestry.com also seems to have them indexed under "Quakertown" so I assume it is the same "Quakertown" known in Hunter don today. > See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaker_Meeting_(Quakertown,_New_Jersey) > > The Monthly Meetings in Chesterfield and Bucks have nothing to do with these records. > > I'm not sure what you mean about it taking 4 years to be approved... > Job requested that he and his family be admitted around the 8th day 1st month 1756 and they were admitted on the 12th day, 2nd month, 1756. > That's a period of about a month or from one meeting to the next meeting. > > Tracey > > > >> On 9/6/2017 10:01 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> Tracey, >> Have some questions. >> - It took 4 yrs to get approved? >> - They lived in Amwell Twp and applied in Chesterfield Twp; 30 miles away? >> - They attended meetings in Bucks County; a different state and 235 miles away? >> >> Gary Robins said Daniel Jr lived in Freehold Twp, moved to Bucks Co, Pa a few years, and was back in NJ by 1717, when he obtained permission to hold meetings in his home for Friends living in Belvidere, NJ (just nort h of Hunterdon Co). >> >> Sara, >> Below are why I thought Mary Parker was Daniel's 2nd wife, and Frances his 3rd. >> >> Robins of Hunterdon Co, NJ lists Daniel born abt 1666 and died Jan/Feb 1763 Anwell Twp, Hunterdon. Father was Daniel. Wife Frances died 1763/1764. (Posted online by Marshall) >> >> First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge NJ lists Daniel Jr with first wife Mary Parker, we'd 24 Nov 1691; second wife Frances, wed after 1692. >> >> I think I made assumptions Mary Parker was a second wife with records that state "Daniel's 2nd wife, Mary". Didn't dawn on me there would be two Marys. I know at least one place stated Mary Parker was a second wife, but it may have been a notation in a family tree. >> >> All, >> To throw a wrench into everything, I've run into several places that say Daniel Robinson's parents are buried in NJ. Is there proof of that? >> >> Thanks, >> Cindy >> >> >> >> >> iPad >> >> On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Marshall, >>> >>> That is correct. The Daniel who died in 1763 in Hunterdon Co. is the son of Job. >>> >>> The most recent discussion about it was in this thread: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/1476 >>> >>> It's kind of a lot to slog through. >>> You can probably come up to speed pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/) >>> >>> But also, the Quaker records for Kingwood that Ancestry recently posted in their collection titled U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 are VERY telling. >>> See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2189 >>> >>> They show that the ONLY Robins who were admitted to the Society at Kingwood were Job Robins, his wife, and their children. >>> The admittance record does not name Job's children. But from his will we know they were: >>> Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all under age in January 1756. >>> >>> Here is a transcription of the two Kingwood records that talk about the family's admittance: >>> >>> p. 63, Minutes, 1744-1858 >>> 8th day 1st month 1756 >>> Job Robins requested that he and his wife and children may be taken under the care and notices of this monthly meeting as members of our Religious Society. Jacob Large & Jacob Birdshal are desired to enquire concern ing their conduct in Life and Conversation and make report according as they shall find to our next Monthly meeting. >>> >>> p. 65, Minutes 1744-1858 >>> 12th day, 2nd month, 1756 >>> Those friends who were appointed to Enquire concerning Job Robins and his wife and Childrens conducts report that upon Enquiry they find nothing to obstruct their being joined as members with us of our Religious Soc iety wherefore we receive them as such under the care and Notice of this Monthly meeting. >>> >>> (Note: Job wrote his will 19 Jan 1756; the inventory was taken 2 Apr 1756; the will was proved 17 May 1756.) >>> >>> The Daniel who was a member at Kingwood was later removed from the Society due to drinking, cursing, and horse racing. >>> Several of Job's other children (Andrew, Elizabeth, Lidia, and Rachel, whose married name was Chidister) and even his widow Abigail were also removed from Kingwood, for marrying outside the Society. >>> >>> I have only transcribed the records pertaining to Abigail (Job's widow) and Daniel. >>> The records of Daniel certainly could explain how he died at presumably such a young age. If he was younger than 21 in 1756, he must have been only in his late 20s in 1763. >>> >>> Records for Abigail Hunt (formerly widow of Job Robbins): >>> p. 34, Women�s minutes >>> 11th day 8th month 1757 >>> >>> >>> Abigail Hunt, late widow of Job Robins, Having Since the Death of her former husband proceeded in marriage with Thomas Hunt who in respect of religion is of a different opinion from us contrary to the Rules of Disc ipline Established among Friends, and she having been tenderly dealt with to bring her to a sense of her outgoings and misconduct therein but she refuseth to make any satisfaction to Friends but says she rather chuseth [chooseth] to be testified against and to be publicly declared to be no member of our religious society wherefore this meeting with the concurrence of the Brethern declares her to be out of Unity and no member of our R eligious Society until she give Friends of this Meeting Satisfaction for the same and by a Circumspect conduct in her Life and consideration she shall render herself worth of the receipt of the Friends into Unity and Fe llowship with them again and we desire the Clerk to get a Testification drawn according to this Minute read to be sign�d at our next Monthly Meeting >>> >>> >>> p. 83, Minutes, 1744-1858 >>> 8th day of the 12th month 1757 >>> At the request of friends of the Women�s Meeting, John Simcock is desired to read the Testification against Abigail Hunt before our next Monthly meeting at the breaking up of Some first days meeting at Kingwood. >>> >>> >>> >>> Records for Daniel Robins: >>> p. 87 Minutes, 1744-1858 >>> 10th day of the 7th month 1758 >>> At this Meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn�d under his hand his proceeding in marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline which was read & received as Satisfaction. >>> >>> p. 121, Minutes 1744-1858 >>> 12th day of the 11th month of 1761 >>> The representatives being call�d all appear�d. Kingswood representatives report that Daniel Robins is found Guilty of Drinking Spiritious Liquors to Excess several pints and also it is reported that is apt to swear, and horse racing, and Overseers have treated with him on that account and he yet Neglects to give Satisfaction to this Meeting therefore this Meeting appoints James Willson and Jacob Large to Treat further with him on that account and make report to our next Monthly meeting. >>> >>> >>> p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 >>> 10th day of the 12th month of 1761 >>> One of the Friends who were appointed at last Meeting to Treat with Daniel Robins Reports that they have done that Service and found him Sensible of his Misconduct but desires he may be indulg�d with longer time of consideration and this complies with his request in that behalf till next monthly meeting. >>> >>> p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 >>> 11th day of the 1st month of 1762 >>> The Case of Daniel Robins is defer�d to be further consider�d at our next Monthly Meeting. >>> >>> p. 123, Minutes 1744-1858 >>> 11th day of the 2nd month of 1762 >>> The Case of Daniel Robins coming under consideration. It is the Judgement of this Meeting that a Testimony ought to go against him and his Scandalous Practises, wherefore James Willson and Samuel Kesster are appoin ted to prepare an Essay of Testimony against him and produce the same at our next Monthly Meeting. >>> >>> p. 123-124, Minutes 1744-1858 >>> 11th day of the 3rd month of 1762 >>> At this Meeting James Willson and Samuel Kesster produced an Essay of Testimony against Daniel Robins which was read and approved of and signed Jacob Birdsall is appointed to read the same to him and give him a copy of it if he desire it and also to let him know that he hath the right of an Appeal provided that he notifie [notify] the same within the time limited by the Discipline. >>> >>> p. 126, Minutes 1744-1858 >>> 8th day of the 7th month of 1762 >>> Samuel Kesster is appointed to read the Testimony Issued against Daniel Robins at the breaking up of a First day�s Meeting and make report to our next Monthly Meeting. >>> >>> p. 127, Minutes 1744-1858 >>> 12th day of the 8th month of 1762 >>> The Friend who was appointed to read the Testimony against Daniel Robins reports that he has perform�d that Service. >>> >>> (Note: This record seems to be 12 August 1762 and about 6 months later, by 21 February 1763, Daniel was dead, as we know from his probate records.) >>> Let me know if that clears it up! >>> >>> Tracey >>> >>> >>>> On 9/5/2017 1:43 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Am I reading this correctly? It's been determined that the Daniel ROBINS >>>> who died in 1763 and married second Frances ------ (who married John PIERCE >>>> c1764) is actually the son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756) and NOT Daniel III ?? >>>> >>>> I must have missed that discussion. >>>> >>>> > The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early >>>> > research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel >>>> > was Daniel Robins, III. However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member >>>> > of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of >>>> > Robins Tavern wasn�t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job >>>> > Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I >>>> > believe Tracey�s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when >>>> > her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn�t have a Will. Frances Robins >>>> > married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is >>>> > recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, >>>> > late Frances Robins. Late doesn�t mean she was deceased only that her >>>> > name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net >>>> >>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1689 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 07:31:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Ah. I really can't speak to that. My focus was about proving that the Daniel who died in 1763 was the son of Job. The article talks extensively about that Daniel starting in part 2 of the article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/. The bit in the article about Daniel Jr and Mary attending Chesterfield and Bucks is not something I've researched. I've not seen the actual records, so I don't feel I can comment. Tracey On 9/7/2017 9:03 AM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Tracey, I'm talking about the records for Daniel Jr, which you linked in this post: "It's kind of a lot to slog through. You can probably come up to speed pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/)" Thanks, Cindy iPad On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, The Quaker records I cite in this thread are for Kingwood Monthly Meeting. It is in Hunterdon Co. Ancestry.com also seems to have them indexed under "Quakertown" so I assume it is the same "Quakertown" known in Hunterdon today. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaker_Meeting_(Quakertown,_New_Jersey) The Monthly Meetings in Chesterfield and Bucks have nothing to do with these records. I'm not sure what you mean about it taking 4 years to be approved... Job requested that he and his family be admitted around the 8th day 1st month 1756 and they were admitted on the 12th day, 2nd month, 1756. That's a period of about a month or from one meeting to the next meeting. Tracey On 9/6/2017 10:01 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Have some questions. - It took 4 yrs to get approved? - They lived in Amwell Twp and applied in Chesterfield Twp; 30 miles away? - They attended meetings in Bucks County; a different state and 235 miles away? Gary Robins said Daniel Jr lived in Freehold Twp, moved to Bucks Co, Pa a few years, and was back in NJ by 1717, when he obtained permission to hold meetings in his home for Friends living in Belvidere, NJ (just north of Hunterdon Co). Sara, Below are why I thought Mary Parker was Daniel's 2nd wife, and Frances his 3rd. Robins of Hunterdon Co, NJ lists Daniel born abt 1666 and died Jan/Feb 1763 Anwell Twp, Hunterdon. Father was Daniel. Wife Frances died 1763/1764. (Posted online by Marshall) First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge NJ lists Daniel Jr with first wife Mary Parker, we'd 24 Nov 1691; second wife Frances, wed after 1692. I think I made assumptions Mary Parker was a second wife with records that state "Daniel's 2nd wife, Mary". Didn't dawn on me there would be two Marys. I know at least one place stated Mary Parker was a second wife, but it may have been a notation in a family tree. All, To throw a wrench into everything, I've run into several places that say Daniel Robinson's parents are buried in NJ. Is there proof of that? Thanks, Cindy iPad On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Marshall, That is correct. The Daniel who died in 1763 in Hunterdon Co. is the son of Job. The most recent discussion about it was in this thread: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/1476 It's kind of a lot to slog through. You can probably come up to speed pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/) But also, the Quaker records for Kingwood that Ancestry recently posted in their collection titled U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 are VERY telling. See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2189 They show that the ONLY Robins who were admitted to the Society at Kingwood were Job Robins, his wife, and their children. The admittance record does not name Job's children. But from his will we know they were: Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all under age in January 1756. Here is a transcription of the two Kingwood records that talk about the family's admittance: p. 63, Minutes, 1744-1858 8^th day 1^st month 1756 Job Robins requested that he and his wife and children may be taken under the care and notices of this monthly meeting as members of our Religious Society. Jacob Large & Jacob Birdshal are desired to enquire concerning their conduct in Life and Conversation and make report according as they shall find to our next Monthly meeting. p. 65, Minutes 1744-1858 12^th day, 2^nd month, 1756 Those friends who were appointed to Enquire concerning Job Robins and his wife and Childrens conducts report that upon Enquiry they find nothing to obstruct their being joined as members with us of our Religious Society wherefore we receive them as such under the care and Notice of this Monthly meeting. (Note: Job wrote his will 19 Jan 1756; the inventory was taken 2 Apr 1756; the will was proved 17 May 1756.) The Daniel who was a member at Kingwood was later removed from the Society due to drinking, cursing, and horse racing. Several of Job's other children (Andrew, Elizabeth, Lidia, and Rachel, whose married name was Chidister) and even his widow Abigail were also removed from Kingwood, for marrying outside the Society. I have only transcribed the records pertaining to Abigail (Job's widow) and Daniel. The records of Daniel certainly could explain how he died at presumably such a young age. If he was younger than 21 in 1756, he must have been only in his late 20s in 1763. Records for Abigail Hunt (formerly widow of Job Robbins): p. 34, Women’s minutes 11^th day 8^th month 1757 Abigail Hunt, late widow of Job Robins, Having Since the Death of her former husband proceeded in marriage with Thomas Hunt who in respect of religion is of a different opinion from us contrary to the Rules of Discipline Established among Friends, and she having been tenderly dealt with to bring her to a sense of her outgoings and misconduct therein but she refuseth to make any satisfaction to Friends but says she rather chuseth [chooseth] to be testified against and to be publicly declared to be no member of our religious society wherefore this meeting with the concurrence of the Brethern declares her to be out of Unity and no member of our Religious Society until she give Friends of this Meeting Satisfaction for the same and by a Circumspect conduct in her Life and consideration she shall render herself worth of the receipt of the Friends into Unity and Fellowship with them again and we desire the Clerk to get a Testification drawn according to this Minute read to be sign’d at our next Monthly Meeting p. 83, Minutes, 1744-1858 8^th day of the 12^th month 1757 At the request of friends of the Women’s Meeting, John Simcock is desired to read the Testification against Abigail Hunt before our next Monthly meeting at the breaking up of Some first days meeting at Kingwood. Records for Daniel Robins: p. 87 Minutes, 1744-1858 10^th day of the 7^th month 1758 At this Meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn’d under his hand his proceeding in marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline which was read & received as Satisfaction. p. 121, Minutes 1744-1858 12^th day of the 11^th month of 1761 The representatives being call’d all appear’d. Kingswood representatives report that Daniel Robins is found Guilty of Drinking Spiritious Liquors to Excess several pints and also it is reported that is apt to swear, and horse racing, and Overseers have treated with him on that account and he yet Neglects to give Satisfaction to this Meeting therefore this Meeting appoints James Willson and Jacob Large to Treat further with him on that account and make report to our next Monthly meeting. p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 10^th day of the 12^th month of 1761 One of the Friends who were appointed at last Meeting to Treat with Daniel Robins Reports that they have done that Service and found him Sensible of his Misconduct but desires he may be indulg’d with longer time of consideration and this complies with his request in that behalf till next monthly meeting. p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 11^th day of the 1^st month of 1762 The Case of Daniel Robins is defer’d to be further consider’d at our next Monthly Meeting. p. 123, Minutes 1744-1858 11^th day of the 2^nd month of 1762 The Case of Daniel Robins coming under consideration. It is the Judgement of this Meeting that a Testimony ought to go against him and his Scandalous Practises, wherefore James Willson and Samuel Kesster are appointed to prepare an Essay of Testimony against him and produce the same at our next Monthly Meeting. p. 123-124, Minutes 1744-1858 11^th day of the 3^rd month of 1762 At this Meeting James Willson (Message over 64 KB, truncated) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1690 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 06:08:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Ah right! Thanks Garry. So...Deborah is probably in the generation of the grandchildren of Daniel Robins, Jr. We sure know there were a LOT of them (did the article say 62?) and we definitely haven't identified all of them! Tracey On 9/7/2017 4:22 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, Jonathan Pettit was born in 1721. His wife, Deborah, was probably born later than that. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:18 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Tracey, I think your analysis is reasonable and stands up to my scrutiny. Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for each of them? I have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it shows: Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 I exchanged a couple of messages with Martha Heywood a while back and she believes (through circumstantial evidence) that William and Deborah (identified as a sister to William in her husband's, Jonathan Pettit, will) are children of Daniel (b 1666). Martha also connects William to the HUNT family, specifically Thomas Hunt. For what it's worth, in a book by Chuck Poley and Gary Robins (I don't know if anyone remembers them besides myself and Sara) they name the additional children (after the first 5) as possibly William, Elisha, Timothy, Richard, Elizabeth, Ephraim, Deborah and Hannah. > My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son > of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can > consider it and discuss it. > > As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in > Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, > March 27 1737: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > Amos Thatcher No. 9 > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned > by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the > mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I > believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between > 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 > when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. > > My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were > "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was > probably property they inherited. > > I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage > property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would > mean that they were all born before 1716. > > Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's > shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and > Elisha Robins > > In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /Mortgages/ > > Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the > description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a > Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match > below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that > were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. [remainder snipped] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1691 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 08:47:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Ok, thx. And you're right that reading through the info in those articles is time consuming. I'm not clear if in fact George Washington occupied the Robins Tavern. ("George Washington slept her"). And whether the house and Tave rn were the same building. I'm guessing yes because it's how it worked Colonial Williamsburg- tavern owners lived in the tavern. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Ah. I really can't speak to that. > My focus was about proving that the Daniel who died in 1763 was the son of Job. > The article talks extensively about that Daniel starting in part 2 of the article: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-part-two/. > > The bit in the article about Daniel Jr and Mary attending Chesterfield and Bucks is not something I've researched. > I've not seen the actual records, so I don't feel I can comment. > > > Tracey > > >> On 9/7/2017 9:03 AM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> Hi Tracey, I'm talking about the records for Daniel Jr, which you linked in this post: >> >> "It's kind of a lot to slog through. >> You can probably come up to speed pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/)" >> >> Thanks, >> Cindy >> >> iPad >> >> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The Quaker records I cite in this thread are for Kingwood Monthly Meeting. It is in Hunterdon Co. Ancestry.com also seems to have them indexed under "Quakertown" so I assume it is the same "Quakertown" known in Hunt erdon today. >>> See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaker_Meeting_(Quakertown,_New_Jersey) >>> >>> The Monthly Meetings in Chesterfield and Bucks have nothing to do with these records. >>> >>> I'm not sure what you mean about it taking 4 years to be approved... >>> Job requested that he and his family be admitted around the 8th day 1st month 1756 and they were admitted on the 12th day, 2nd month, 1756. >>> That's a period of about a month or from one meeting to the next meeting. >>> >>> Tracey >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 9/6/2017 10:01 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>>> >>>> Tracey, >>>> Have some questions. >>>> - It took 4 yrs to get approved? >>>> - They lived in Amwell Twp and applied in Chesterfield Twp; 30 miles away? >>>> - They attended meetings in Bucks County; a different state and 235 miles away? >>>> >>>> Gary Robins said Daniel Jr lived in Freehold Twp, moved to Bucks Co, Pa a few years, and was back in NJ by 1717, when he obtained permission to hold meetings in his home for Friends living in Belvidere, NJ (just no rth of Hunterdon Co). >>>> >>>> Sara, >>>> Below are why I thought Mary Parker was Daniel's 2nd wife, and Frances his 3rd. >>>> >>>> Robins of Hunterdon Co, NJ lists Daniel born abt 1666 and died Jan/Feb 1763 Anwell Twp, Hunterdon. Father was Daniel. Wife Frances died 1763/1764. (Posted online by Marshall) >>>> >>>> First Settlers of Piscataway & Woodbridge NJ lists Daniel Jr with first wife Mary Parker, we'd 24 Nov 1691; second wife Frances, wed after 1692. >>>> >>>> I think I made assumptions Mary Parker was a second wife with records that state "Daniel's 2nd wife, Mary". Didn't dawn on me there would be two Marys. I know at least one place stated Mary Parker was a second wife, but it may have been a notation in a family tree. >>>> >>>> All, >>>> To throw a wrench into everything, I've run into several places that say Daniel Robinson's parents are buried in NJ. Is there proof of that? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> iPad >>>> >>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:22 AM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Marshall, >>>>> >>>>> That is correct. The Daniel who died in 1763 in Hunterdon Co. is the son of Job. >>>>> >>>>> The most recent discussion about it was in this thread: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/1476 >>>>> >>>>> It's kind of a lot to slog through. >>>>> You can probably come up to speed pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/) >>>>> >>>>> But also, the Quaker records for Kingwood that Ancestry recently posted in their collection titled U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 are VERY telling. >>>>> See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2189 >>>>> >>>>> They show that the ONLY Robins who were admitted to the Society at Kingwood were Job Robins, his wife, and their children. >>>>> The admittance record does not name Job's children. But from his will we know they were: >>>>> Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all under age in January 1756. >>>>> >>>>> Here is a transcription of the two Kingwood records that talk about the family's admittance: >>>>> >>>>> p. 63, Minutes, 1744-1858 >>>>> 8th day 1st month 1756 >>>>> Job Robins requested that he and his wife and children may be taken under the care and notices of this monthly meeting as members of our Religious Society. Jacob Large & Jacob Birdshal are desired to enquire conce rning their conduct in Life and Conversation and make report according as they shall find to our next Monthly meeting. >>>>> >>>>> p. 65, Minutes 1744-1858 >>>>> 12th day, 2nd month, 1756 >>>>> Those friends who were appointed to Enquire concerning Job Robins and his wife and Childrens conducts report that upon Enquiry they find nothing to obstruct their being joined as members with us of our Religious S ociety wherefore we receive them as such under the care and Notice of this Monthly meeting. >>>>> >>>>> (Note: Job wrote his will 19 Jan 1756; the inventory was taken 2 Apr 1756; the will was proved 17 May 1756.) >>>>> >>>>> The Daniel who was a member at Kingwood was later removed from the Society due to drinking, cursing, and horse racing. >>>>> Several of Job's other children (Andrew, Elizabeth, Lidia, and Rachel, whose married name was Chidister) and even his widow Abigail were also removed from Kingwood, for marrying outside the Society. >>>>> >>>>> I have only transcribed the records pertaining to Abigail (Job's widow) and Daniel. >>>>> The records of Daniel certainly could explain how he died at presumably such a young age. If he was younger than 21 in 1756, he must have been only in his late 20s in 1763. >>>>> >>>>> Records for Abigail Hunt (formerly widow of Job Robbins): >>>>> p. 34, Women’s minutes >>>>> 11th day 8th month 1757 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Abigail Hunt, late widow of Job Robins, Having Since the Death of her former husband proceeded in marriage with Thomas Hunt who in respect of religion is of a different opinion from us contrary to the Rules of Di scipline Established among Friends, and she having been tenderly dealt with to bring her to a sense of her outgoings and misconduct therein but she refuseth to make any satisfaction to Friends but says she rather chuset h [chooseth] to be testified against and to be publicly declared to be no member of our religious society wherefore this meeting with the concurrence of the Brethern declares her to be o ut of Unity and no member of our Religious Society until she give Friends of this Meeting Satisfaction for the same and by a Circumspect conduct in her Life and consideration she shall render herself worth of the receip t of the Friends into Unity and Fellowship with them again and we desire the Clerk to get a Testification drawn according to this Minute read to be sign’d at our next Monthly Meeting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> p. 83, Minutes, 1744-1858 >>>>> 8th day of the 12th month 1757 >>>>> At the request of friends of the Women’s Meeting, John Simcock is desired to read the Testification against Abigail Hunt before our next Monthly meeting at the breaking up of Some first days meeting at Kingwood. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Records for Daniel Robins: >>>>> p. 87 Minutes, 1744-1858 >>>>> 10th day of the 7th month 1758 >>>>> At this Meeting Daniel Robins brought a Paper whereby he condemn’d under his hand his proceeding in marriage contrary to the Rules of Discipline whi ch was read & received as Satisfaction. >>>>> >>>>> p. 121, Minutes 1744-1858 >>>>> 12th day of the 11th month of 1761 >>>>> The representatives being call’d all appear’d. Kingswood representatives report that Daniel Robins is found Guilty of Drinking Spiritious Liquors to Excess several pints and also it is reported that is apt to swea r, and horse racing, and Overseers have treated with him on that account and he yet Neglects to give Satisfaction to this Meeting therefore this Meeting appoints James Willson and Jacob L arge to Treat further with him on that account and make report to our next Monthly meeting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 >>>>> 10th day of the 12th month of 1761 >>>>> One of the Friends who were appointed at last Meeting to Treat with Daniel Robins Reports that they have done that Service and found him Sensible of his Misconduct but desires he may be indulg’d with longer time o f consideration and this complies with his request in that behalf till next monthly meeting. >>>>> >>>>> p. 122, Minutes 1744-1858 >>>>> 11th day of the 1st month of 1762 >>>>> The Case of Daniel Robins is defer’d to be further consider’d at our next Monthly Meeting. >>>>> >>>>> p. 123, Minutes 1744-1858 >>>>> 11th day of the 2nd month of 1762 >>>>> The Case of Daniel Robins coming under consideration. It is the Judgement of this Meeting that a Testimony ought to go against him and his Scandalous Practises, wherefore James Willson and Samuel Kesster are appo inted to prepare an Essay of Testimony against him and produce the same at our next Monthly Meeting. >>>>> >>>>> p. 123-124, Minutes 1744-1858 >>>>> 11th day of the 3rd month of 1762 >>>>> At this Meeting James Willson and Samuel Kesster produced an Essay of Testimony against Daniel Robins which was read and approved of and signed Jacob Birdsall is appointed to read the same to him and give him a co py of it if he desire it and also to let him know that he hath the right of an Appeal provided that he notifie [notify] the same within the time limited by the Discipline. >>>>> >>>>> p. 126, Minutes 1744-1858 >>>>> 8th day of the 7th month of 1762 >>>>> Samuel Kesster is appointed to read the Testimony Issued against Daniel Robins at the breaking up of a First day’s Meeting and make report to our next Monthly Meeting. >>>>> >>>>> p. 127, Minutes 1744-1858 >>>>> 12th day of the 8th month of 1762 >>>>> The Friend who was appointed to read the Testimony against Daniel Robins reports that he has perform’d that Service. >>>>> >>>>> (Note: This record seems to be 12 August 1762 and about 6 months later, by 21 February 1763, Daniel was dead, as we know from his probate records.) >>>>> Let me know if that clears it up! >>>>> >>>>> Tracey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/5/2017 1:43 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I reading this correctly? It's been determined that the Daniel ROBINS >>>>>> who died in 1763 and married second Frances ------ (who married John PIERCE >>>>>> c1764) is actually the son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756) and NOT Daniel III ?? >>>>>> >>>>>> I must have missed that discussion. >>>>>> >>>>>> > The Daniel Robins who died in 1763 was the son of Job Robins. Early >>>>>> > research for many years followed the traditional belief that this Daniel >>>>>> > was Daniel Robins, III. However, research done by Tracey Marcelo a member >>>>>> > of this group indicates that Daniel Robins husband of Frances & owner of >>>>>> > Robins Tavern wasn’t Daniel Robins, III but Daniel Robins son of Job >>>>>> > Robins. From review of all the available records for Daniel son of Job, I >>>>>> > believe Tracey’s research to be correct. Frances Robins was living when >>>>>> > her husband Daniel died in 1763 didn’t have a Will. Frances Robins >>>>>> > married John Pierce as her second husband. You probably read where it is >>>>>> > recorded on 9-14-1764 An account was given by John Pierce & wife Frances, >>>>>> > late Frances Robins. Late doesn’t mean she was deceased only that her >>>>>> > name was Frances Robins prior to her marriage to John Pierce. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net >>>>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1692 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 10:11:23 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Garry & Group, Deborah Robins had a brother William Robins. Will of Jonathan Pettit b. abt. 1721, d. between 10-20-1768 when his Will was written & 2-4-1769 when it was proved. He was living in Easton, Northampton Co., PA in 1768. The Will names his wife Deborah, brother Nathaniel Pettit & brother-in-law William Robins as executors. A history of the family of Nathaniel & Elizabeth Heath Pettit of Hunterdon County, NJ by Rev. Frank Baldwin was publis hed in The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Sept. 2013 Vol. 88 Number 3. According to this publication Deborah Robins moved back to Hardwick Township, Sussex Co., NJ after Jonathan’s death where she died in 1791. He r Will was written on 3-21-1791 & proved 3-31-1791. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi, Jonathan Pettit was born in 1721. His wife, Deborah, was probably born later than that. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:18 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Tracey, I think your analysis is reasonable and stands up to my scrutiny. Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for each of them? I have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it shows: Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 I exchanged a couple of messages with Martha Heywood a while back and she believes (through circumstantial evidence) that William and Deborah (identified as a sister to William in her husband's, Jonathan Pettit, will) are children of Daniel (b 1666). Martha also connects William to the HUNT family, specifically Thomas Hunt. For what it's worth, in a book by Chuck Poley and Gary Robins (I don't know if anyone remembers them besides myself and Sara) they name the additional children (after the first 5) as possibly William, Elisha, Timothy, Richard, Elizabeth, Ephraim, Deborah and Hannah. > My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son > of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can > consider it and discuss it. > > As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in > Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, > March 27 1737: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > Amos Thatcher No. 9 > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned > by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the > mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I > believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between > 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 > when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. > > My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were > "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was > probably property they inherited. > > I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage > property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would > mean that they were all born before 1716. > > Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's > shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and > Elisha Robins > > In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /Mortgages/ > > Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the > description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a > Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match > below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that > were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. [remainder snipped] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1693 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 11:23:53 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Thanks, Tracey. And thanks for posting the Quaker record transcriptions (especially for those of us who do not have an Ancestry subscription). I had never seen those records before. So, what do we know about Daniel-3? I have that he was born 5 Oct 1692 in Woodbridge, in 1723 he acquired land in Freehold Township from his father, married Elizabeth ------, in 1748 he sold land in Upper Freehold Township and buys land in Middlesex Co, in 1760 he buys land in Amwell Township. I have one child, Elizabeth, for Daniel-3. Is this all correct for Daniel-3? > That is correct. The Daniel who died in 1763 in Hunterdon Co. is the son > of Job. > > The most recent discussion about it was in this thread: > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversa\ > tions/topics/1476 > > It's kind of a lot to slog through. You can probably come up to speed > pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part > article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: > http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/ > > But also, the Quaker records for Kingwood that Ancestry recently posted > in their collection titled U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 are > VERY telling. See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2189 > > They show that the ONLY Robins who were admitted to the Society at > Kingwood were Job Robins, his wife, and their children. The admittance > record does not name Job's children. But from his will we know they were: > Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all > under age in January 1756. > > Here is a transcription of the two Kingwood records that talk > about the family's admittance: [snip] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1694 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 12:19:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Hi, I have no proof, but to put Deborah and her brother, William, somewhere I’ve placed them as children of Jonathan Robins (son of Daniel). Probably, I shouldn’t make this suggestion. William may be the one who died in 1811 in Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Information from a son says that he (the son) was born in Sussex County, NJ, circa 1760. This possibly places William in Warren County (f ormed later from Sussex), near Easton, where Jonathan Pettit lived. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:11 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Garry & Group, Deborah Robins had a brother William Robins. Will of Jonathan Pettit b. abt. 1721, d. between 10-20-1768 when his Will was written & 2-4-1769 when it was proved. He was living in Easton, Northampton Co., PA in 1768. The Will names his wife Deborah, brother Nathaniel Pettit & brother-in-law William Robins as executors. A history of the family of Nathaniel & Elizabeth Heath Pettit of Hunterdon County, NJ by Rev. Frank Baldwin was publis hed in The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Sept. 2013 Vol. 88 Number 3. According to this publication Deborah Robins moved back to Hardwick Township, Sussex Co., NJ after Jonathan’s death where she died in 1791. He r Will was written on 3-21-1791 & proved 3-31-1791. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi, Jonathan Pettit was born in 1721. His wife, Deborah, was probably born later than that. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:18 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Tracey, I think your analysis is reasonable and stands up to my scrutiny. Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for each of them? I have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it shows: Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 I exchanged a couple of messages with Martha Heywood a while back and she believes (through circumstantial evidence) that William and Deborah (identified as a sister to William in her husband's, Jonathan Pettit, will) are children of Daniel (b 1666). Martha also connects William to the HUNT family, specifically Thomas Hunt. For what it's worth, in a book by Chuck Poley and Gary Robins (I don't know if anyone remembers them besides myself and Sara) they name the additional children (after the first 5) as possibly William, Elisha, Timothy, Richard, Elizabeth, Ephraim, Deborah and Hannah. > My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son > of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can > consider it and discuss it. > > As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in > Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, > March 27 1737: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > Amos Thatcher No. 9 > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned > by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the > mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I > believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between > 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 > when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. > > My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were > "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was > probably property they inherited. > > I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage > property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would > mean that they were all born before 1716. > > Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's > shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and > Elisha Robins > > In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /Mortgages/ > > Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the > description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a > Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match > below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that > were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. [remainder snipped] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1695 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 12:33:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Marshall, You’re making me feel like a dummy. I thought I had posted some Quaker records, but I could be mistaken, I think I was overloading my brain with research for awhile. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:23 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Thanks, Tracey. And thanks for posting the Quaker record transcriptions (especially for those of us who do not have an Ancestry subscription). I had never seen those records before. So, what do we know about Daniel-3? I have that he was born 5 Oct 1692 in Woodbridge, in 1723 he acquired land in Freehold Township from his father, married Elizabeth ------, in 1748 he sold land in Upper Freehold Township and buys land in Middlesex Co, in 1760 he buys land in Amwell Township. I have one child, Elizabeth, for Daniel-3. Is this all correct for Daniel-3? > That is correct. The Daniel who died in 1763 in Hunterdon Co. is the son > of Job. > > The most recent discussion about it was in this thread: > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversa\ > tions/topics/1476 > > It's kind of a lot to slog through. You can probably come up to speed > pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part > article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: > http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/ > > But also, the Quaker records for Kingwood that Ancestry recently posted > in their collection titled U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 are > VERY telling. See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2189 > > They show that the ONLY Robins who were admitted to the Society at > Kingwood were Job Robins, his wife, and their children. The admittance > record does not name Job's children. But from his will we know they were: > Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all > under age in January 1756. > > Here is a transcription of the two Kingwood records that talk > about the family's admittance: [snip] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1696 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 13:28:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Garry is not a dummy! :-) (was Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------) Message: No Garry! You did post them. In fact, once I found where you posted them, I see that you posted even more transcriptions than I did! You put them in that discussion we had about Job and the Daniel d. 1763... Check this thread! https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/messages/1458 It's part of the same discussion that Marshall missed the first time around. Tracey On 9/7/2017 2:33 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, You’re making me feel like a dummy. I thought I had posted some Quaker records, but I could be mistaken, I think I was overloading my brain with research for awhile. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:23 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Thanks, Tracey. And thanks for posting the Quaker record transcriptions (especially for those of us who do not have an Ancestry subscription). I had never seen those records before. So, what do we know about Daniel-3? I have that he was born 5 Oct 1692 in Woodbridge, in 1723 he acquired land in Freehold Township from his father, married Elizabeth ------, in 1748 he sold land in Upper Freehold Township and buys land in Middlesex Co, in 1760 he buys land in Amwell Township. I have one child, Elizabeth, for Daniel-3. Is this all correct for Daniel-3? > That is correct. The Daniel who died in 1763 in Hunterdon Co. is the son > of Job. > > The most recent discussion about it was in this thread: > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversa\ > tions/topics/1476 > > It's kind of a lot to slog through. You can probably come up to speed > pretty quickly by referring to "The Two Taverns at Robins Hill" (a 4-part > article by Marfy Goodspeed, starting at: > http://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill/ > > But also, the Quaker records for Kingwood that Ancestry recently posted > in their collection titled U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 are > VERY telling. See: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2189 > > They show that the ONLY Robins who were admitted to the Society at > Kingwood were Job Robins, his wife, and their children. The admittance > record does not name Job's children. But from his will we know they were: > Daniel, Rachel, Amie, Andrew, Mary, Elizabeth and Lydia, all > under age in January 1756. > > Here is a transcription of the two Kingwood records that talk > about the family's admittance: [snip] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1697 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 15:16:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: If I posted that ("Frances died 1763/1764"), it was a mistake. > Robins of Hunterdon Co, NJ lists Daniel born abt 1666 and died Jan/Feb > 1763 Anwell Twp, Hunterdon. Father was Daniel. Wife Frances died > 1763/1764. (Posted online by Marshall) -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1698 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 15:20:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Sorry, Garry. I don't want to make *anyone* feel like a dummy. I'm the dummy for missing your post of the Quaker records. > You???re making me feel like a dummy. I thought I had posted some Quaker > records, but I could be mistaken, I think I was overloading my brain with > research for awhile. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1699 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-07 16:13:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: I'm afraid that's all the info in the index. I've looked for the docs in my files but don't have them. I could have sworn I got the index from here: https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_ArchivesDBPortal/index.aspx (where one can order docs) I've tried to re-create the index on that page and cannot. This doesn't pertain to the 1737 mortgages but ... I also have the booklet "Index of Persons, Places & Subjects Volume 1 of Mortgages of Hunterdon County 1766-1793" by Phyllis D'Autrechy in 1991. The only ROBINS/ROBBINS in it is: Robins, John Amwell 1772 157 > I only remember seeing one mortgage for each person. :-( > Would it be possible to find who the other mortgages (11 to 19) > are assigned to in the partial index you have? >> Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for >> each of them? I >> have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it >> shows: >> Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 >> Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 >> Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 >> Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 >> Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 >> Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1700 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-08 03:40:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Thanks. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 6:20 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Sorry, Garry. I don't want to make *anyone* feel like a dummy. I'm the dummy for missing your post of the Quaker records. > You???re making me feel like a dummy. I thought I had posted some Quaker > records, but I could be mistaken, I think I was overloading my brain with > research for awhile. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1701 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-09-08 07:41:49 Subject:William V Robbins Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I found a marriage between William V Robbins (son of Joseph Dildine Robbins) who lived in Columbia County and Ann Elizabeth Robbins whose father is John J Robbins. First time I ran across a Robbins marrying a Robbins. John J from New Jersey, I believe, who was married to Sophia Permilla Maine. William V would be a grandson of Joshua and Jane Robbins of the lost Sincy group. Must do more checking, if possible. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, September 8, 2017, 5:40 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Thanks. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 6:20 PMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Se cond Frances ------ Sorry, Garry. I don't want to make *anyone* feel like a dummy. I'm the dummy for missing your post of the Quaker records. > You???re making me feel like a dummy. 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Post Date/Time:2017-09-08 08:22:39 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Second Frances ------ Message: Do y'all have a tree somewhere? I'd like to get at least the basic characters confirmed. I see different birthplaces for Daniel Robinson in Scotland: Blair Atholl, Perthshire / Perth and Kinross / Straun, Perthshire.... Is there a concences of his birthplace? Thx, Cindy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1703 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-09-08 09:16:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William V Robbins Message: Sorry I forgot to erase bottom part of message as I used it to forward to group Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 8, 2017, 9:41 AM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I found a marriage between William V Robbins (son of Joseph Dildine Robbins) who lived in Columbia County and Ann Elizabeth Robbins whose father is John J Robbins. First time I ran across a Robbins marrying a Robbins. John J from New Jersey, I believe, who was married to Sophia Permilla Maine. William V would be a grandson of Joshua and Jane Robbins of the lost Sincy group. Must do more checking, if possible. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, September 8, 2017, 5:40 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Thanks. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 6:20 PMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Se cond Frances ------ Sorry, Garry. I don't want to make *anyone* feel like a dummy. I'm the dummy for missing your post of the Quaker records. > You???re making me feel like a dummy. I thought I had posted some Quaker > records, but I could be mistaken, I think I was overloading my brain with > research for awhile. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147 -- #yiv5104316147ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv 5104316147ygrp-mkp #yiv5104316147hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147ygrp-mkp #yiv5104316147ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147 ygrp-mkp .yiv5104316147ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147ygrp-mkp .yiv5104316147ad p {margin:0;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147ygrp-mkp .yiv5104316147ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5104316147 #y iv5104316147ygrp-sponsor #yiv5104316147ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147ygrp-sponsor #yiv5104316147ygrp-lc #yiv5104316147hd 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and Joshuadad and Johnnyman etc. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 8, 2017, 9:41 AM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I found a marriage between William V Robbins (son of Joseph Dildine Robbins) who lived in Columbia County and Ann Elizabeth Robbins whose father is John J Robbins. First time I ran across a Robbins marrying a Robbins. John J from New Jersey, I believe, who was married to Sophia Permilla Maine. William V would be a grandson of Joshua and Jane Robbins of the lost Sincy group. Must do more checking, if possible. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, September 8, 2017, 5:40 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Thanks. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 6:20 PMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS who Married Se cond Frances ------ Sorry, Garry. I don't want to make *anyone* feel like a dummy. I'm the dummy for missing your post of the Quaker records. > You???re making me feel like a dummy. I thought I had posted some Quaker > records, but I could be mistaken, I think I was overloading my brain with > research for awhile. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147 -- #yiv5104316147ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv 5104316147ygrp-mkp #yiv5104316147hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147ygrp-mkp #yiv5104316147ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147 ygrp-mkp .yiv5104316147ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147ygrp-mkp .yiv5104316147ad p {margin:0;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147ygrp-mkp .yiv5104316147ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5104316147 #y iv5104316147ygrp-sponsor #yiv5104316147ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv5104316147 #yiv5104316147ygrp-sponsor #yiv5104316147ygrp-lc #yiv5104316147hd 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Court Minutes ... https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSGD-RQT1-X?i=12&cat=480035 Upon further review I've found the same name showing up multiple times (almost every page) in the Hunterdon County Common Court Minutes through 1719/20. In the different court sessions there were different scribs with different hand writing, some easier to read. I now think the name is written as Jonathan ROBERTS. That's not to say it couldn't still be "our" Jonathan ROBINS (since the ROBINS surname has been written so many different ways). I just wanted to pass this along. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1706 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-08 16:58:29 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS Presumably Showing Up in 1714/5 Hunterdon County Common Court Minutes Message: Marshall, Thanks for your new information on possible name for Jonathan Robins being Roberts. You are right, it can be difficult to determine because of the different name spellings & then the person's hand writing may not help either. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 4:45 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS Presumably Showing Up in 1714/5 Hunterdon County Common Court Minutes Recall I posted this link to whom I claimed was Jonathan ROBINS showing up in the 1714/5 Hunterdon County Common Court Minutes ... https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSGD-RQT1-X?i=12&cat=480035 Upon further review I've found the same name showing up multiple times (almost every page) in the Hunterdon County Common Court Minutes through 1719/20. In the different court sessions there were different scribs with different hand writing, some easier to read. I now think the name is written as Jonathan ROBERTS. That's not to say it couldn't still be "our" Jonathan ROBINS (since the ROBINS surname has been written so many different ways). I just wanted to pass this along. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1707 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-08 20:18:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William V Robbins (& Sincy) Message: I don't have any info on this line but I know that people here are interested in "Sincy" ROBBINS. Just thinking out loud ... Has anyone considered that Sincy might be a nickname for Vincent? "Sincy" sounds Irish to me. > I found a marriage between William V Robbins (son of Joseph Dildine > Robbins) who lived in Columbia County and Ann Elizabeth Robbins whose > father is John J Robbins. First time I ran across a Robbins marrying a > Robbins. John J from New Jersey, I believe, who was married to Sophia > Permilla Maine. William V would be a grandson of Joshua and Jane Robbins > of the lost Sincy group. Must do more checking, if possible. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1708 Sender:crisrobbins@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-08 21:02:57 Subject:Does anyone remember this old posting from Lou Anne Winterrowd from 2012 ? Message: VINCENT ROBBINS WAS BORN IN NEW JERSEY AND NOT IN NORTH CAROLINA!! He is NOT part of the North Carolina Robbins who moved to Kentucky, though this is an understandable mistake. The two families are related as Joseph Robbins, a grandson of Daniel Robbins of CT and NJ moved to NC and man y of his descendants moved to KY. Vincent Robbins was the brother of Azuba Robbins. Azuba married George Washburn and George and Azuba Washburn are my great, great, great grandparents. I have the mortality schedule for Phebe (Washburn) Grant and it states that both of her parents, George Washburn and Azuba Robbins were born in New Jersey. Ano ther census shows that Isaac Washburn, son of George and Azuba was born in PA. I believe that the parents of Vincent and Azuba Robbins probably lived at least for a short time in Sussex Co. NJ where the Washburns were l iving. A John Robbins was living in Sussex Co. and he moved to Washington Co. PA. I believe that he may have been a brother to Vincent and Azuba, but have not been able to prove that he was. Vincent and Azuba do not sho w up in any records I have found in SE PA, but I believe they were probably too young and were with their parents. I have other evidence that Vincent and Azuba Robbins were from New Jersey. There was a William and an Isaac Robbins in Washington Co. PA and I believe that one of these two men was the father of Vincent and Azuba Robbins, but have not found the proof. I would very much appreciate any help that anyone can give me in finding the names of the parents of Vincent Robbins and his sister, Azuba (Robbins) Washburn. Vincent Robbins married Charity Ryker. Charity Ryker was the daughter of Gerardus Ryker and Rachel Demerast. Gerardus was killed in Floyd's Defeat and Rachel then married John Van Cleve who was the brother of Jane Van Cleve who was married to Squire Boone Jr. Squire Boone Jr. was a brother to Elizabeth Boone who married William Grant. Their son John Grant was the father of William Grant who married Phebe Washburn who was the daughter of George Washburn and Azuba Robbins. Jonathan Boone, son of Squire Boone Jr. and Jane Van Cleve married Catherine (Rice) Fullenwider whose first husband was Peter Fullenwider. Peter Fullenwider was a brother to Elizabeth Fullenwider who married John Carr. John and Elizabeth Carr had a daughter, Barbara Carr, who married Gerardus Ry ker Robbins who was the son of Vincent Robbins and Charity Ryker. Rachel, sister to Charity, married 2nd) William Robbins, died 1795 who was a brother of Vincent Robbins. Vincent Robbins is listed in "Vol. Soldiers 1784-1811" as serving in the Vol. militia in 1794. Considering this, Vincent Robbins could also have been with Anthony Wayne when he marched to Fallen Timbers, as was Corneilu s Washburn, though I have no proof that he was with Wayne. There are some stories about Vincent Robbins in the Draper MS. One is in the interview with Phebe (Washburn ) Grant and another is printed in "The Boone Family" by Hazel A. Spraker. ( The only proof I have of a Vincent Robbins being the father of Vincent / Peter / Azuba / Ellen was on a 1820 census in Brown County Ohio. On most of the Ancestry tree's they have Vincent expiring in 1798 while Chari ty Ryker was found on a Indiana 1850 Census living with a grand son. Any thoughts of the Ohio line of the Robbins family would be awesome. There was a record of a Vincent Robbins being married in 1822 to Nancy Moore and having 4-5 more kids. There was also a Cornelius Washburn naming a son Vincent Robbins Washburn in 1814. ) Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1709 Sender:Moria Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-09-09 01:22:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William V Robbins (& Sincy) Message: Marshall, Sincy as a nickname for Vincent makes a lot of sense, Also, misspelling can make mincemeat out of a name. I had a 5th g grandfather (Lemuel) from Trumbull OH. His father died 1842 (not in the dark ages) and left a will that did not mention Lemuel) I tried to explain to Trumbull that Lemuel was a son and that the will misspelled two important names and combined them into one. Trumbull told me I was wrong. Sure enough, after a year or so of combing Lemuel's mother and sisters probate records. I found the proof that Lemuel's name had been misspelled and he was indeed a son. So, I guess I am trying to say that Sincy as a nickname makes sense. Also, I wonder if the V sound can be construed as a C or S sound. Warmly, barbara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1710 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-09-09 07:49:30 Subject:William V Robbins Message: More detail on William V Robbins marriage to JANE Elizabeth or Elizabeth JANE Robbins along with detail on John J, her father who was born in New Jersey. John J. Robbins MyHeritage Family TreesAll Families in Isaac Silfee Web Site, managed by mehne barbara | Birth: | Mar 12 1798 - Knowlton, Sussex County, New Jersey | | Death: | Feb 14 1893 - Columbia County, PA | | Wife: | Sophia Permilla Robbins (born Main) | | Children: | Isaac Robbins, Barbara Rachel Derrick (born Robbins), Abraham Robbins, Elizabeth Jane Robbins, Lydia Ann Wagner (born Robbins), Andrew Jackson Robbins, George Washington Robbins, John Wesley Robbins, Lafay ette Robbins, Elijah Franklin Robbins, Daniel Fleet Robbins, Martha J. Robbins | | | William V Robbins | Nov 6 1835 - Millville, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | Death: | Mar 11 1912 - Bloomsburg, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | Parents: | Joseph Dildine Robbins, Maria Matilda Robbins | | Wife: | Elizabeth Jane Robbins | | Children: | Harriet Louise Robbins, Sophia Abigail Hartman, Sarah Idylla Bickel, Curtis Mayne Robbins, Melvin Edgar Robbins | JANE Elizabeth Robbins July 11 1837 - Talmer, Columbia, Pennsylvania | | Death: | Dec 25 1932 - Bloomsburg, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | Parents: | John Robbins, Sophia Permilla Robbins (born Maine Or Mayne) | | Siblings: | Isaac Robbins, Barbara Or Bashaby Robbins, Abraham R. Robbins, Lydia Ann Robbins, Lafayette Robbins, Andrew Jackson Robbins, George Washington Robbins, John Wesley Robbins, Elijah Franklin Robbins, Daniel Fleet Robbins | | Husband: | William Vincent Robbins | | Children: | Harriet Louise Robbins, Sophia Abigail Hartman, Sarah Idylla Bickel, Curtis Mayne Robbins, Melvin Edgar Robbins, Lafayette Robbins | | | W. B. Robbins Will William Robbins William Vincent Robbins | | | Male | | | Nov 6 1835 Millville, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | | Spouse: Elizabeth Jane RobbinsMar 29 1857 Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, United States | | | 1860 Jordan Township, Lycoming, Pennsylvania, United States | | | 1870 Pennsylvania, United States | | | 1880 Bloomsburg, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | | 1900 ED 4 First Precinct Bloomsburg town (west part), Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | | 1910 Bloomsburg Ward 2, , Pennsylvania | | | Mar 11 1912 Bloomsburg, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | | Mar 1912 Creveling Cemetery, Almedia, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | | Joseph Dildine Robbins Maria Matilda Robbins (born Applegate) | | | Elizabeth Jane Robbins | | | Melvin Edgar Robbins Sarah Idylla Bickel (born Robbins) Abigail Sophia Hartman (born Robbins) Curtis Mayne Robbins Harriet Louise ROBBINS | | | Ella D Getty (born Robbins) Elizabeth J Robbins Ira Clinton Robbins John L. G. Robbins Henry Joshua Robbins Andrew Jackson Robbins Mary Emma Heller (born Robbins) Joshua B Robbins Amanda J Johnson (born Robbins) | | W. B. Robbins Will William Robbins William Vincent Robbins | | | Male | | | Nov 6 1835 Millville, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | | Spouse: Elizabeth Jane RobbinsMar 29 1857 Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, United States | | | 1860 Jordan Township, Lycoming, Pennsylvania, United States | | | 1870 Pennsylvania, United States | | | 1880 Bloomsburg, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | | 1900 ED 4 First Precinct Bloomsburg town (west part), Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | | 1910 Bloomsburg Ward 2, , Pennsylvania | | | Mar 11 1912 Bloomsburg, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | | Mar 1912 Creveling Cemetery, Almedia, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | | | Joseph Dildine Robbins Maria Matilda Robbins (born Applegate) | | | Elizabeth Jane Robbins | | | Melvin Edgar Robbins Sarah Idylla Bickel (born Robbins) Abigail Sophia Hartman (born Robbins) Curtis Mayne Robbins Harriet Louise ROBBINS | | Siblings: | Ella D Getty (born Robbins) Elizabeth J Robbins Ira Clinton Robbins John L. G. Robbins Henry Joshua Robbins Andrew Jackson Robbins Mary Emma Heller (born Robbins) Joshua B Robbins Amanda J Johnson (born Robbins) | | Death: | | | Parents: | | | | | | | | Wife: | | | Children: | | | | | | Death: | | | Parents: | | | Siblings: | | | | Siblings: | | from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1711 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-09-09 07:51:39 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William V Robbins (& Sincy) Message: Thank you, I have never thought of that possibility. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 8, 2017, 10:18 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I don't have any info on this line but I know that people here are interested in "Sincy" ROBBINS. Just thinking out loud ... Has anyone considered that Sincy might be a nickname for Vincent? "Sincy" sounds Irish to me. > I found a marriage between William V Robbins (son of Joseph Dildine > Robbins) who lived in Columbia County and Ann Elizabeth Robbins whose > father is John J Robbins. First time I ran across a Robbins marrying a > Robbins. John J from New Jersey, I believe, who was married to Sophia > Permilla Maine. William V would be a grandson of Joshua and Jane Robbins > of the lost Sincy group. 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Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, September 9, 2017, 3:22 AM, Moria Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, Sincy as a nickname for Vincent makes a lot of sense,Also, misspelling can make mincemeat out of a name. I had a 5th g grandfather (Lemuel) from Trumbull OH. His father died 1842 (not in the dark ages) and left a will that did not mention Lemuel) I tried to explain to Trumbull that Lemuel was a son and that the will misspe lled two important names and combined them into one. Trumbull told me I was wrong. Sure enough, after a year or so of combing Lemuel's mother and sisters probate records. I found the proof that Lemuel's name had been misspelled and he was indeed a son. So, I guess I am trying to say that Sincy as a nickname makes sense.Also, I wonder if the V sound can be construed as a C or S sound. 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It would explain why the admin of Jonathan's estate (5 Nov 1774) was William Robins. Could you expand on this statement: "Information from a son says that he (the son) was born in Sussex County, NJ, circa 1760. This possibly places William in Warren County (formed later from Sussex), near Easton, where Jonathan Pettit lived." Which son is this and where did he say it? Tracey On 9/7/2017 2:19 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, I have no proof, but to put Deborah and her brother, William, somewhere I’ve placed them as children of Jonathan Robins (son of Daniel). Probably, I shouldn’t make this suggestion. William may be the one who died in 1811 in Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Information from a son says that he (the son) was born in Sussex County, NJ, circa 1760. This possibly places William in Warren County (formed later from Sussex), near Easton, where Jonathan Pettit lived. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:11 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Garry & Group, Deborah Robins had a brother William Robins. Will of Jonathan Pettit b. abt. 1721, d. between 10-20-1768 when his Will was written & 2-4-1769 when it was proved. He was living in Easton, Northampton Co., PA in 1768. The Will names his wife Deborah, brother Nathaniel Pettit & brother-in-law William Robins as executors. A history of the family of Nathaniel & Elizabeth Heath Pettit of Hunterdon County, NJ by Rev. Frank Baldwin was published in The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Sept. 2013 Vol. 88 Number 3. According to this publication Deborah Robins moved back to Hardwick Township, Sussex Co., NJ after Jonathan’s death where she died in 1791. Her Will was written on 3-21-1791 & proved 3-31-1791. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi, Jonathan Pettit was born in 1721. His wife, Deborah, was probably born later than that. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:18 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Tracey, I think your analysis is reasonable and stands up to my scrutiny. Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for each of them? I have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it shows: Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 I exchanged a couple of messages with Martha Heywood a while back and she believes (through circumstantial evidence) that William and Deborah (identified as a sister to William in her husband's, Jonathan Pettit, will) are children of Daniel (b 1666). Martha also connects William to the HUNT family, specifically Thomas Hunt. For what it's worth, in a book by Chuck Poley and Gary Robins (I don't know if anyone remembers them besides myself and Sara) they name the additional children (after the first 5) as possibly William, Elisha, Timothy, Richard, Elizabeth, Ephraim, Deborah and Hannah. > My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son > of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can > consider it and discuss it. > > As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in > Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, > March 27 1737: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > Amos Thatcher No. 9 > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned > by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the > mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I > believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between > 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 > when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. > > My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were > "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was > probably property they inherited. > > I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage > property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would > mean that they were all born before 1716. > > Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's > shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and > Elisha Robins > > In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /Mortgages/ > > Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the > description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a > Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match > below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that > were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. [remainder snipped] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1714 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-10 10:27:04 Subject:Re:Elizabeth Robins Morford 1713-1748 Message: Elizabeth Robins daughter of Daniel Robins born May 1713 probably Monmouth Co. & died Nov. 11, 1748 Southampton, PA. Elizabeth Robins of Monmouth Co. married John Morford 1713-1812 of Monmouth Co. by license Feb.2, 173 9. John & Elizabeth Robins Morford had five children. Daniel, Cornelius, Rebecca, Elizabeth, Rachel & possibly two other unidentified children. Elizabeth's birth date 1713 fits the time frame for her to be the daughter of either Daniel Robins, Jr. or his son Daniel Robins, III. Since Daniel Robins, Jr. was residing in Hunterdon Co. in 1739 & Daniel Robins III was living in Monmouth Co., although circumstantial my conclusion is Elizabe th was the daughter of Daniel Robins, III & wife Elizabeth not the daughter of Daniel Robins, Jr. & wife Mary. Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598. Hannah Robins born abt. 1725 of Monmouth Co. married James Cox of Monmouth Co. Nov. 1, 1745. She has been linked to both Daniel Robins, Jr. & Daniel Robins III as a daughter by Robins researchers. Since Hannah was livi ng in Monmouth Co. along with Daniel Robins, III & Elizabeth in 1745, it is possible she was their daughter. Any thoughts? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1715 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-10 19:57:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elizabeth Robins Morford 1713-1748 Message: I feel that the location (Daniel ROBINS Jr was in Amwell Twp by 1725) and the timing both point to Daniel III being a more likely father to Hannah than Daniel Jr. I have no records or other info to offer. > Elizabeth Robins daughter of Daniel Robins born May 1713 probably > Monmouth Co. & died Nov. 11, 1748 Southampton, PA. Elizabeth Robins of > Monmouth Co. married John Morford 1713-1812 of Monmouth Co. by license > Feb.2, 1739. John & Elizabeth Robins Morford had five children. Daniel, > Cornelius, Rebecca, Elizabeth, Rachel & possibly two other unidentified > children. Elizabeth's birth date 1713 fits the time frame for her to be > the daughter of either Daniel Robins, Jr. or his son Daniel Robins, III. > Since Daniel Robins, Jr. was residing in Hunterdon Co. in 1739 & Daniel > Robins III was living in Monmouth Co., although circumstantial my > conclusion is Elizabeth was the daughter of Daniel Robins, III & wife > Elizabeth not the daughter of Daniel Robins, Jr. & wife Mary. > Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid > Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598. > Hannah Robins born abt. 1725 of Monmouth Co. married James Cox of > Monmouth Co. Nov. 1, 1745. She has been linked to both Daniel Robins, Jr. > & Daniel Robins III as a daughter by Robins researchers. Since Hannah was > living in Monmouth Co. along with Daniel Robins, III & Elizabeth in 1745, > it is possible she was their daughter. Any thoughts? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1716 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-14 17:22:05 Subject:Isaac ROBINS (1758-1836) Message: In going over the Rev War (and related) records I have for Isaac ROBINS (1758-1836, son of Daniel) I have some comments/questions. Isaac is noted as enlisting for 3 years on 13 May 1777. On roll calls dated 30 Jul 1777, Aug 1777, 6 Sep 1777, 10 Oct 1777 and 1 Nov 1777 Isaac is noted as deserting after 16 days of service. Isaac is noted as re-enlisting for 3 years on 31 Dec 1778. In a letter dated 17 Jul 1833 Isaac ROBINS applies for a pension for his service during the Revolutionary War. In the letter he admits his memory isn't so good. He states he served 1 month in the fall of 1776, 8 months & 14 days in 1777, and 1 month & 14 days in 1780. Issac also states he received 4 written discharges but they are all lost. Apparently his pension was approved since there's a record which says his last pension payment was in the 4th quarter of 1845. Don't the records versus the pension application letter seem a little incongruent? Could the desertion notes in the records be in error since Isaac was approved for the pension? Or was Isaac trying to pull a fast one? Why did Isaac wait so long to apply for a pension? Why was the last pension payment made in the 4th quarter of 1845 long after Isaac's death? Were spouses/family entitled to pension payments after the person who actually served died? Or maybe the family failed to report Isaac's death? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1717 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-14 17:36:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS (1758-1836) Message: You may already know this (see link below). He may not have known he could apply. And maybe the gov't continued paying until his wife's death (?). http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fayfamily/pensions.html iPad > On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > In going over the Rev War (and related) records I have for Isaac ROBINS > (1758-1836, son of Daniel) I have some comments/questions. > > Isaac is noted as enlisting for 3 years on 13 May 1777. On roll calls > dated 30 Jul 1777, Aug 1777, 6 Sep 1777, 10 Oct 1777 and 1 Nov 1777 Isaac > is noted as deserting after 16 days of service. > > Isaac is noted as re-enlisting for 3 years on 31 Dec 1778. > > In a letter dated 17 Jul 1833 Isaac ROBINS applies for a pension for his > service during the Revolutionary War. In the letter he admits his memory > isn't so good. He states he served 1 month in the fall of 1776, 8 months & > 14 days in 1777, and 1 month & 14 days in 1780. Issac also states he > received 4 written discharges but they are all lost. > > Apparently his pension was approved since there's a record which says his > last pension payment was in the 4th quarter of 1845. > > Don't the records versus the pension application letter seem a little > incongruent? Could the desertion notes in the records be in error since > Isaac was approved for the pension? Or was Isaac trying to pull a fast > one? > > Why did Isaac wait so long to apply for a pension? > > Why was the last pension payment made in the 4th quarter of 1845 long after > Isaac's death? Were spouses/family entitled to pension payments after the > person who actually served died? Or maybe the family failed to report > Isaac's death? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1718 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-09-14 18:26:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS (1758-1836) Message: Marshall, On the pension, I believe widows were able to receive payments. I have several ancestors whose widows did get the continued payments and have found a couple who actually applied for the pension after their spouses died. Not sure if that is helpful. This is interesting to me because I am in the process of collecting information for some DAR supplement paperwork and Isaac is on my list. Any info always helpful. Cynthia Sent from my iPad > On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:36 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > You may already know this (see link below). He may not have known he could apply. And maybe the gov't continued paying until his wife's death (?). > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fayfamily/pensions.html > > iPad > >> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> >> In going over the Rev War (and related) records I have for Isaac ROBINS >> (1758-1836, son of Daniel) I have some comments/questions. >> >> Isaac is noted as enlisting for 3 years on 13 May 1777. On roll calls >> dated 30 Jul 1777, Aug 1777, 6 Sep 1777, 10 Oct 1777 and 1 Nov 1777 Isaac >> is noted as deserting after 16 days of service. >> >> Isaac is noted as re-enlisting for 3 years on 31 Dec 1778. >> >> In a letter dated 17 Jul 1833 Isaac ROBINS applies for a pension for his >> service during the Revolutionary War. In the letter he admits his memory >> isn't so good. He states he served 1 month in the fall of 1776, 8 months & >> 14 days in 1777, and 1 month & 14 days in 1780. Issac also states he >> received 4 written discharges but they are all lost. >> >> Apparently his pension was approved since there's a record which says his >> last pension payment was in the 4th quarter of 1845. >> >> Don't the records versus the pension application letter seem a little >> incongruent? Could the desertion notes in the records be in error since >> Isaac was approved for the pension? Or was Isaac trying to pull a fast >> one? >> >> Why did Isaac wait so long to apply for a pension? >> >> Why was the last pension payment made in the 4th quarter of 1845 long after >> Isaac's death? Were spouses/family entitled to pension payments after the >> person who actually served died? Or maybe the family failed to report >> Isaac's death? >> >> -- >> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1719 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-09-14 18:25:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS (1758-1836) Message: I think there was a lot of desertion in the rev. War and then they were welcomed back when they regained their composure and courage and took another stab at it, so to speak. Also you could sign an enlistment for a cert ain period of time and when your time was up you could leave. Also Indian combined with loyalist raids caused men to leave and protect their land and families, sometimes in the good graces of the army. Of course there was plain old desertion where a soldier would run the other way and keep going when facing a route and seeing soldiers getting bayoneted. Recently read the book, Washington's Crossing, Pulitzer Prize and not dry at all. Learned a lot about what it was like,especially in winter. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 14, 2017, 7:22 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: In going over the Rev War (and related) records I have for Isaac ROBINS (1758-1836, son of Daniel) I have some comments/questions. Isaac is noted as enlisting for 3 years on 13 May 1777. On roll calls dated 30 Jul 1777, Aug 1777, 6 Sep 1777, 10 Oct 1777 and 1 Nov 1777 Isaac is noted as deserting after 16 days of service. Isaac is noted as re-enlisting for 3 years on 31 Dec 1778. In a letter dated 17 Jul 1833 Isaac ROBINS applies for a pension for his service during the Revolutionary War. In the letter he admits his memory isn't so good. He states he served 1 month in the fall of 1776, 8 months & 14 days in 1777, and 1 month & 14 days in 1780. Issac also states he received 4 written discharges but they are all lost. Apparently his pension was approved since there's a record which says his last pension payment was in the 4th quarter of 1845. Don't the records versus the pension application letter seem a little incongruent? Could the desertion notes in the records be in error since Isaac was approved for the pension? Or was Isaac trying to pull a fast one? Why did Isaac wait so long to apply for a pension? Why was the last pension payment made in the 4th quarter of 1845 long after Isaac's death? Were spouses/family entitled to pension payments after the person who actually served died? 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The rules were relaxed in 1838 to allow a widow the pension for five years t hat would have been allowed for her husband had he lived (however, this lasted only until 1844). Cynthia Sent from my iPad > On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:36 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > You may already know this (see link below). He may not have known he could apply. And maybe the gov't continued paying until his wife's death (?). > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fayfamily/pensions.html > > iPad > >> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> >> In going over the Rev War (and related) records I have for Isaac ROBINS >> (1758-1836, son of Daniel) I have some comments/questions. >> >> Isaac is noted as enlisting for 3 years on 13 May 1777. On roll calls >> dated 30 Jul 1777, Aug 1777, 6 Sep 1777, 10 Oct 1777 and 1 Nov 1777 Isaac >> is noted as deserting after 16 days of service. >> >> Isaac is noted as re-enlisting for 3 years on 31 Dec 1778. >> >> In a letter dated 17 Jul 1833 Isaac ROBINS applies for a pension for his >> service during the Revolutionary War. In the letter he admits his memory >> isn't so good. He states he served 1 month in the fall of 1776, 8 months & >> 14 days in 1777, and 1 month & 14 days in 1780. Issac also states he >> received 4 written discharges but they are all lost. >> >> Apparently his pension was approved since there's a record which says his >> last pension payment was in the 4th quarter of 1845. >> >> Don't the records versus the pension application letter seem a little >> incongruent? Could the desertion notes in the records be in error since >> Isaac was approved for the pension? Or was Isaac trying to pull a fast >> one? >> >> Why did Isaac wait so long to apply for a pension? >> >> Why was the last pension payment made in the 4th quarter of 1845 long after >> Isaac's death? Were spouses/family entitled to pension payments after the >> person who actually served died? Or maybe the family failed to report >> Isaac's death? >> >> -- >> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1721 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-09-14 18:32:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS (1758-1836) Message: I think there were also "temporary" desertions when there were problems/sickness at home with their families. Perhaps they returned when the issues where resolved. Cynthia Sent from my iPad > On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:25 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > I think there was a lot of desertion in the rev. War and then they were welcomed back when they regained their composure and courage and took another stab at it, so to speak. Also you could sign an enlistment for a ce rtain period of time and when your time was up you could leave. Also Indian combined with loyalist raids caused men to leave and protect their land and families, sometimes in the good graces of the army. Of course ther e was plain old desertion where a soldier would run the other way and keep going when facing a route and seeing soldiers getting bayoneted. Recently read the book, Washington's Crossing, Pulitzer Prize and not dry at al l. Learned a lot about what it was like,especially in winter. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Thursday, September 14, 2017, 7:22 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > In going over the Rev War (and related) records I have for Isaac ROBINS > (1758-1836, son of Daniel) I have some comments/questions. > > Isaac is noted as enlisting for 3 years on 13 May 1777. On roll calls > dated 30 Jul 1777, Aug 1777, 6 Sep 1777, 10 Oct 1777 and 1 Nov 1777 Isaac > is noted as deserting after 16 days of service. > > Isaac is noted as re-enlisting for 3 years on 31 Dec 1778. > > In a letter dated 17 Jul 1833 Isaac ROBINS applies for a pension for his > service during the Revolutionary War. In the letter he admits his memory > isn't so good. He states he served 1 month in the fall of 1776, 8 months & > 14 days in 1777, and 1 month & 14 days in 1780. Issac also states he > received 4 written discharges but they are all lost. > > Apparently his pension was approved since there's a record which says his > last pension payment was in the 4th quarter of 1845. > > Don't the records versus the pension application letter seem a little > incongruent? Could the desertion notes in the records be in error since > Isaac was approved for the pension? Or was Isaac trying to pull a fast > one? > > Why did Isaac wait so long to apply for a pension? > > Why was the last pension payment made in the 4th quarter of 1845 long after > Isaac's death? Were spouses/family entitled to pension payments after the > person who actually served died? Or maybe the family failed to report > Isaac's death? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1722 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-14 18:46:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS (1758-1836) Message: That's kinda what the link was about. Until 1818 only disabled vets could get a pension. And there were cut off dates, then extensions, then additions. Typical govt red tape. I'm sure lots of guys didn't want to mess wi th it until they realized the money was fairly substantial. iPad > On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Cynthia Victor cjvictor8855@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Found this in my notes: > In an act passed in 1836, Congress established the rule that the widow was entitled to a pension if the soldier had served after the marriage. The rules were relaxed in 1838 to allow a widow the pension for five years that would have been allowed for her husband had he lived (however, this lasted only until 1844). > > Cynthia > > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:36 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> You may already know this (see link below). He may not have known he could apply. And maybe the gov't continued paying until his wife's death (?). >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fayfamily/pensions.html >> >> iPad >> >>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> In going over the Rev War (and related) records I have for Isaac ROBINS >>> (1758-1836, son of Daniel) I have some comments/questions. >>> >>> Isaac is noted as enlisting for 3 years on 13 May 1777. On roll calls >>> dated 30 Jul 1777, Aug 1777, 6 Sep 1777, 10 Oct 1777 and 1 Nov 1777 Isaac >>> is noted as deserting after 16 days of service. >>> >>> Isaac is noted as re-enlisting for 3 years on 31 Dec 1778. >>> >>> In a letter dated 17 Jul 1833 Isaac ROBINS applies for a pension for his >>> service during the Revolutionary War. In the letter he admits his memory >>> isn't so good. He states he served 1 month in the fall of 1776, 8 months & >>> 14 days in 1777, and 1 month & 14 days in 1780. Issac also states he >>> received 4 written discharges but they are all lost. >>> >>> Apparently his pension was approved since there's a record which says his >>> last pension payment was in the 4th quarter of 1845. >>> >>> Don't the records versus the pension application letter seem a little >>> incongruent? Could the desertion notes in the records be in error since >>> Isaac was approved for the pension? Or was Isaac trying to pull a fast >>> one? >>> >>> Why did Isaac wait so long to apply for a pension? >>> >>> Why was the last pension payment made in the 4th quarter of 1845 long after >>> Isaac's death? Were spouses/family entitled to pension payments after the >>> person who actually served died? Or maybe the family failed to report >>> Isaac's death? >>> >>> -- >>> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1723 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-09-14 19:10:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS (1758-1836) Message: I would imagine that it was one huge battlefield and the loses to their farms, businesses, families and homes was devastating. They could have used every cent they were able to get. For some I imagine there was no recov ery. Cynthia > On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:46 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > That's kinda what the link was about. Until 1818 only disabled vets could get a pension. And there were cut off dates, then extensions, then additions. Typical govt red tape. I'm sure lots of guys didn't want to mess with it until they realized the money was fairly substantial. > > iPad > >> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Cynthia Victor cjvictor8855@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> Found this in my notes: >> In an act passed in 1836, Congress established the rule that the widow was entitled to a pension if the soldier had served after the marriage. The rules were relaxed in 1838 to allow a widow the pension for five year s that would have been allowed for her husband had he lived (however, this lasted only until 1844). >> >> Cynthia >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:36 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>> >>> >>> You may already know this (see link below). He may not have known he could apply. And maybe the gov't continued paying until his wife's death (?). >>> >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fayfamily/pensions.html >>> >>> iPad >>> >>>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In going over the Rev War (and related) records I have for Isaac ROBINS >>>> (1758-1836, son of Daniel) I have some comments/questions. >>>> >>>> Isaac is noted as enlisting for 3 years on 13 May 1777. On roll calls >>>> dated 30 Jul 1777, Aug 1777, 6 Sep 1777, 10 Oct 1777 and 1 Nov 1777 Isaac >>>> is noted as deserting after 16 days of service. >>>> >>>> Isaac is noted as re-enlisting for 3 years on 31 Dec 1778. >>>> >>>> In a letter dated 17 Jul 1833 Isaac ROBINS applies for a pension for his >>>> service during the Revolutionary War. In the letter he admits his memory >>>> isn't so good. He states he served 1 month in the fall of 1776, 8 months & >>>> 14 days in 1777, and 1 month & 14 days in 1780. Issac also states he >>>> received 4 written discharges but they are all lost. >>>> >>>> Apparently his pension was approved since there's a record which says his >>>> last pension payment was in the 4th quarter of 1845. >>>> >>>> Don't the records versus the pension application letter seem a little >>>> incongruent? Could the desertion notes in the records be in error since >>>> Isaac was approved for the pension? Or was Isaac trying to pull a fast >>>> one? >>>> >>>> Why did Isaac wait so long to apply for a pension? >>>> >>>> Why was the last pension payment made in the 4th quarter of 1845 long after >>>> Isaac's death? Were spouses/family entitled to pension payments after the >>>> person who actually served died? Or maybe the family failed to report >>>> Isaac's death? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1724 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-14 21:32:44 Subject:Obediah ROBINS Message: Thanks for all the great comments with regard to Isaac ROBINS (1758-1836). Recently I came across the following [transcribed] document. I think it's unusual and thought I'd pass it along. There's no location in the document but I found it with a bunch of NJ Revolutionary War docs. I presume the Obediah ROBINS named in the document is the son of Vincent ROBINS & Ann KITCHEN. BEGIN [page 1] ? Memorial Obadiah Robbins & Co. June 23, 1785 Referred to ? Hardy ? Howell ? J. Henry ? Pettit ? Grayson (?) [page 2] To the humble the Continental Congress The memorial of Obediah Robins & Company merchants at said ? humbly sheweth --- That your memorialist at sundry times advanced many articles of merchandise to persons who have been unfortunate enough to be taken prisoners by the indians. That your memorialist exhibited an account of such supplies to the humble the Commissioners for treating with the indians a copy of which is herewith transmitted; - But though the Commissioner were satisfied of the justice of your memorialist application they did not think their powers extended so far as to furnish relief - your memorialist therefore pray that your honorable body will take their case under consideration, & as a regard only to the right of humanity would them to supply the unfortunate that you will be pleased to reimburse them, and your petitioners as in duly bound shall ever pray. Obediah Robins & Co [page 3] Report of ? Hardy ? Howell ? J Henry ? Pettit ? Grayson (?) On case of Obach ? Indians ent'd read 5 July 1785 Obediah Robins [page 4] The committee to whom was referred the letter from John Obach & a memorial from Obediah Robins & Co. submit the following report. - That the letter from the said John Obach be referred to the Commissioners on Indian Affairs; & the memorial from Obediah Robbins & Co. be referred to the Comptroller of the Treasury to report. - END -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1725 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-16 21:27:50 Subject:William ROBINS, d 1811 Message: Which William ROBINS was it who died intestate in 1811? Administration of the estate of William ROBINS of Hunterdon County was assigned to Thomas ROBINS and Jonathan ROBINS (both of Hunterdon County) on 11 Jun 1811. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1726 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-17 19:25:02 Subject:Amos ROBINS (c1811-1871) Message: Does anyone know who this Amos ROBINS might be ? ... Belvidere Apollo Belvidere, NJ 30 June 1871 Death of the Hon. Amos Robins.--The Hon. Amos Robins, of New-Brunswick, N. J., died on Tuesday morning. He was a leading politician of the State, and was a prominate candidate for the nomination for Governor to be made next month. In the contest for the nomination in 1868, Mr. Robins stood next in popularity to Gov. Randolph, as shown by the final ballot. He was elected President of the State Senate in 1864, and a second time in 1870. He served as a Senator through three terms. On his final retirement from the Legislature in in [sic] 1870, a special resolution was unanimously passed by the Senate highly complimentary to Mr. Robins, with expression of regret for his retirement. A handsome ivory gavel was also presented to him on behalf of the Senate. He was about 60 years old. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1727 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-18 10:40:17 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBINS (c1811-1871) Message: Marshall, Amos Robins b. 8-30-1815 in NY City, died 6-27-1871 in New Brunswick, Middlesex Co., NJ. Buried 1st Presbyterian Church Cemetery, Metachen, NJ. His wife was Margaret T. Ross b. 1823, NY, d. 1895 Middlesex Co., NJ. Amos Robins was the son of Nathan & Elizabeth ? Robins. Nathan Robins was born abt. 1782 in NY, d. 1858 in Metachen, Middlesex Co., NJ. Nathan Robins migrated from NYC around 1832 & began farming at Metachen, NJ. I don't know if Nathan Robins was related to the Daniel Robins 1627-1714 family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 7:25 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBINS (c1811-1871) Does anyone know who this Amos ROBINS might be ? ... Belvidere Apollo Belvidere, NJ 30 June 1871 Death of the Hon. Amos Robins.--The Hon. Amos Robins, of New-Brunswick, N. J., died on Tuesday morning. He was a leading politician of the State, and was a prominate candidate for the nomination for Governor to be made next month. In the contest for the nomination in 1868, Mr. Robins stood next in popularity to Gov. Randolph, as shown by the final ballot. He was elected President of the State Senate in 1864, and a second time in 1870. He served as a Senator through three terms. On his final retirement from the Legislature in in [sic] 1870, a special resolution was unanimously passed by the Senate highly complimentary to Mr. Robins, with expression of regret for his retirement. A handsome ivory gavel was also presented to him on behalf of the Senate. He was about 60 years old. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1728 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-18 10:47:22 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, d 1811 Message: Marshall, Which William Robins of Hunterdon Co., NJ? Would you please explain your question? I don't understand it. Were there other William Robins' who died in Hunterdon Co. in 1811? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:28 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, d 1811 Which William ROBINS was it who died intestate in 1811? Administration of the estate of William ROBINS of Hunterdon County was assigned to Thomas ROBINS and Jonathan ROBINS (both of Hunterdon County) on 11 Jun 1811. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1729 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-09-18 11:22:30 Subject:Book Message: Hi, would the person who mentioned the book, Washington's Crossing, please tell the author, as there is more then one listing for that title. Thanks, Shirley Sent from my iPad . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1730 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-09-18 11:28:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Book Message: David Hackett Fischer, have a good day. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, September 18, 2017, 1:22 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, would the person who mentioned the book, Washington's Crossing, please tell the author, as there is more then one listing for that title. 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This is taken from the records of the Washington Prebyterian Church in Sussex Co. Up to this point I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. But, recently I came upon two baptismal records from the same church: Jonathan & Margaret Robins Sarah born Jan 28, 1821, bap Sep 17, 1822 Jonathan & Margaret Robins Peter Imly Drake born Apr 27, 1825, bap Dec 11, 1825 So, I no longer think that Jonathan, son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------, is the correct Jonathan. Does anyone have any info which might tell me which Jonathan ROBINS married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1732 Sender:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Post Date/Time:2017-09-18 12:11:39 Subject:New file uploaded to robbinsfamilysociety Message: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the robbinsfamilysociety group. File : /Thatcher Prall Bible.jpg Uploaded by : turkeypt2 Description : Thatcher-Prall Bible Record You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/files/Thatcher%20Prall%20Bible.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, turkeypt2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1733 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-18 12:50:17 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Message: Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan & Thomas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. I believe you named this William Robins who died 1811 in an earlier post. Source: NJ Wills & Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler Phyllis B. D'Autrechy. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 12:07 To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. Up to this point I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. But, recently I came upon two baptismal records from the same church: Jonathan & Margaret Robins Sarah born Jan 28, 1821, bap Sep 17, 1822 Jonathan & Margaret Robins Peter Imly Drake born Apr 27, 1825, bap Dec 11, 1825 So, I no longer think that Jonathan, son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------, is the correct Jonathan. Does anyone have any info which might tell me which Jonathan ROBINS married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1734 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-18 13:41:38 Subject:John ROBINS, d 1789 Message: Anyone know how this John ROBINS fits in ? ... From "Calendar of New Jersey Wills Volume VII 1786-1790" by Elmer T Hutchinson: 1789, July 14. Robins, John, of Alexandria, Hunterdon Co.; yeoman; will of. My estate is to be turned into cash. Wife, Elizabeth, 1/3. The other 2/3 to my children, Jonathan, Robert, Mary, Lydia, Rachel and John Robins, when they come of age. The four younger children to stay with their mother. Executors-friend, Daniel Moore, and my brother, Jonathan Robins. Witnesses-Nathan Lacock, Samuel Shannon, John Houghton. Proved Nov. 19, 1789. Lib. 32, p. 52. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1735 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-09-18 13:48:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Book Message: Thank you, I ordered it from the library. A good day to you too. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 18, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > David Hackett Fischer, have a good day. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Monday, September 18, 2017, 1:22 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Hi, would the person who mentioned the book, Washington's Crossing, please tell the author, as there is more then one listing for that title. Thanks, Shirley > > Sent from my iPad > > . > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1736 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-18 14:43:42 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John ROBINS, d 1789 Message: Marshall, John Robins, Sr. b. 1-6-1751 Alexandria, Hunterdon Co., d. between 7-14-1789 & 11-19-1789 Alexandria, Hunterdon Co. wife Elizabeth green, son of Jonathan Robins, Sr. 1722-1796. Research by Judy Arthur & Gary Robins descendants of John Robins, pg. 40, Robins, Robbins of NJ. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 1:42 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John ROBINS, d 1789 Anyone know how this John ROBINS fits in ? ... From "Calendar of New Jersey Wills Volume VII 1786-1790" by Elmer T Hutchinson: 1789, July 14. Robins, John, of Alexandria, Hunterdon Co.; yeoman; will of. My estate is to be turned into cash. Wife, Elizabeth, 1/3. The other 2/3 to my children, Jonathan, Robert, Mary, Lydia, Rachel and John Robins, when they come of age. The four younger children to stay with their mother. Executors-friend, Daniel Moore, and my brother, Jonathan Robins. Witnesses-Nathan Lacock, Samuel Shannon, John Houghton. Proved Nov. 19, 1789. Lib. 32, p. 52. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1737 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-18 17:20:12 Subject:Thatcher-Prall Bible Record Message: I posted a copy of the Thatcher-Prall Bible Record in the group's files. I thought it may be of interest to Thatcher, Prall family researchers. The record mentions Amos Thatcher & his wife Lydia. There are multiple tree s that have Lydia Thatcher's maiden name as Prall. I can't find anything that points to Lydia Thatcher as a Prall in the Bible record or elsewhere. I believe Cynthia Victor said she had researched the Thatcher, Prall fa milies & this was her conclusion too. Possibly someone looked at this Bible record & assumed Lydia was a Prall without a careful examination of the names & dates. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1738 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-18 21:05:39 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Message: Thanks for all your answers, Sara. And this response answers my "William ROBINS, d 1811" question. > Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? > Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of > Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan > & Thomas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. I believe you named > this William Robins who died 1811 in an earlier post. Source: NJ Wills & > Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler > Phyllis B. D'Autrechy. >> There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of >> Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the >> Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. >> >> Up to this point I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac >> ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is >> because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. >> >> This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. >> >> But, recently I came upon two baptismal records from the same church: >> >> Jonathan & Margaret Robins >> Sarah born Jan 28, 1821, bap Sep 17, 1822 >> >> Jonathan & Margaret Robins >> Peter Imly Drake born Apr 27, 1825, bap Dec 11, 1825 >> >> So, I no longer think that Jonathan, son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------, >> is the correct Jonathan. >> >> Does anyone have any info which might tell me which Jonathan ROBINS >> married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1739 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-19 07:58:28 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Message: Marshall, As you noted it appears Margaret Case wasn't Jonathan Robins first wife. Assume he may have had other children by a previous marriage or marriages before 1820. However, haven't seen any records for them. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 9:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Thanks for all your answers, Sara. And this response answers my "William ROBINS, d 1811" question. > Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? > Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of > Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan > & Thomas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. I believe you named > this William Robins who died 1811 in an earlier post. Source: NJ Wills & > Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler > Phyllis B. D'Autrechy. >> There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of >> Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the >> Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. >> >> Up to this point I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac >> ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is >> because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. >> >> This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. >> >> But, recently I came upon two baptismal records from the same church: >> >> Jonathan & Margaret Robins >> Sarah born Jan 28, 1821, bap Sep 17, 1822 >> >> Jonathan & Margaret Robins >> Peter Imly Drake born Apr 27, 1825, bap Dec 11, 1825 >> >> So, I no longer think that Jonathan, son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------, >> is the correct Jonathan. >> >> Does anyone have any info which might tell me which Jonathan ROBINS >> married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1740 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-09-19 09:02:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Maybe this will help. In FamilySearch Family TreeJonathan Robins | Gender: | Male | | Birth: | Dec 28 1793 Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon, New Jersey, USA | | Marriage: | Spouse: Margaret CaseJan 8 1820 Hunterdon,New Jersey | | Marriage: | Spouse: Charity LompingMar 20 1823 Alexandria, Hunterdon, New Jersey, USA | | Residence: | 1870 New Jersey, United States | | Death: | Dec 12 1872 Hunterdon, New Jersey, United States | | There seems to be an issue with this person's relatives. View this person on FamilySearch to see this information. | Cite this record Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, September 19, 2017, 9:58 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, As you noted it appears Margaret Case wasn’t Jonathan Robins first wife. Assume he may have had other children by a previous marriage or marriages before 1820. However, haven’t seen any records for them. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 9:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Thanks for all your answers, Sara. And this response answers my "William ROBINS, d 1811" question. > Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? > Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of > Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan > & Thomas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. I believe you named > this William Robins who died 1811 in an earlier post. Source: NJ Wills & > Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler > Phyllis B. D'Autrechy. >> There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of >> Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the >> Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. >> >> Up to this point I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac >> ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is >> because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. >> >> This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. >> >> But, recently I came upon two baptismal records from the same church: >> >> Jonathan & Margaret Robins >> Sarah born Jan 28, 1821, bap Sep 17, 1822 >> >> Jonathan & Margaret Robins >> Peter Imly Drake born Apr 27, 1825, bap Dec 11, 1825 >> >> So, I no longer think that Jonathan, son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------, >> is the correct Jonathan. >> >> Does anyone have any info which might tell me which Jonathan ROBINS >> married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv0427370522 #yiv0427370522 -- #yiv0427370522ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv0427370522 #yiv0427370522ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv0427370522 #yiv 0427370522ygrp-mkp #yiv0427370522hd 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This Jonathan ROBINS married Charity LOMPING 20 Mar 1823. This baptismal record shows that Jonathan ROBINS was still with Margaret CASE in 1825: Jonathan & Margaret Robins Peter Imly Drake born Apr 27, 1825, bap Dec 11, 1825 I wrote a note to the author on familysearch.org, but from my experience most notes questioning information are disregarded. > In FamilySearch Family TreeJonathan Robins > | Gender: | Male | > | Birth: | Dec 28 1793��Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon, New Jersey, USA | > | Marriage: | Spouse: Margaret CaseJan 8 1820��Hunterdon,New Jersey | > | Marriage: | Spouse: Charity LompingMar 20 1823��Alexandria, Hunterdon, New Jersey, USA | > | Residence: | 1870��New Jersey, United States | > | Death: | Dec 12 1872��Hunterdon, New Jersey, United States | > > > | There seems to be an issue with this person's relatives. View this person on FamilySearch to see this information. | -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1742 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-09-19 22:37:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I wasn't following your postings that closely but ha d a little time so thought I would try to find your Margaret and which Jonathan she was married to. His dad was Jonathon too. I know it is hard to get things fixed on trees. :) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, September 19, 2017, 9:49 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: familysearch is a GREAT resource, but one needs to be careful with the trees (just like anywhere else). This Jonathan ROBINS married Charity LOMPING 20 Mar 1823. This baptismal record shows that Jonathan ROBINS was still with Margaret CASE in 1825: Jonathan & Margaret Robins Peter Imly Drake born Apr 27, 1825, bap Dec 11, 1825 I wrote a note to the author on familysearch.org, but from my experience most notes questioning information are disregarded. > In FamilySearch Family TreeJonathan Robins > | Gender: | Male | > | Birth: | Dec 28 1793 Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon, New Jersey, USA | > | Marriage: | Spouse: Margaret CaseJan 8 1820 Hunterdon,New Jersey | > | Marriage: | Spouse: Charity LompingMar 20 1823 Alexandria, Hunterdon, New Jersey, USA | > | Residence: | 1870 New Jersey, United States | > | Death: | Dec 12 1872 Hunterdon, New Jersey, United States | > > > | There seems to be an issue with this person's relatives. 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Page 13, 9-Hope Profile, 2nd line ... November should be March. Page 13, 9-Hope Profile, 3rd line ... "five children" should be "seven children". Page 15, 11-Benjamin Profile, 2nd paragraph, 3rd line ... Obadiah is omitted as a child. Page 15, 11-Benjamin Profile, 2nd paragraph, 6th line ... "Son Isaiah" should be "Grandson Isaiah". -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1744 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-21 14:29:41 Subject:Joseph ROBINS (son of Zebulon) Marriage, Robbins of NJ Book Message: In the Robbins of NJ book, page 27, the marriage date for Joseph ROBINS (son of Zebulon) & Cornelia ANDREWS is shown as 6/13/1824 from a marriage certificate. On the marriage certificate it actually shows a date of 30 Jun 1824. Also, "Marriage Index: New Jersey, 1680-1900" (FTM CD #240) by Broderbund Software in 1998 shows a date of 30 Jun 1824. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1745 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-21 21:38:55 Subject:Margaret ROBBINS, daughter of Samuel ROBBINS & Margaret PAGE Message: A while back there was a posting on this list saying that the gravesite of Margaret ROBBINS (daughter of Samuel ROBBINS & Margaret PAGE) had been found. It is here ... https://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=page&GSiman=1&GScid=44582&GRid=80263659& Up until the time of that posting the birth/death of Margaret was known as 1733/1802. The headstone reads Ann Page, wife of Joseph. The death year is hard to read but it looks like 1814 and the associated bio page on findagrave also shows 1814. The age on the headstone is 69 years. If the headstone is correct then Margaret [Ann] would have been born c1745. The birthdate for Margaret on the associated bio page shows as 2 Dec 1733, which is what the birthdate was known as before the gravesite for Margaret was known. The info for Joseph PAGE and the children on findagrave seems to be correct. Does anyone know if this is really Margaret/Ann ROBBINS (daughter of Samuel ROBBINS & Margaret PAGE), and what dates are correct? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1746 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-22 08:09:30 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Margaret ROBBINS, daughter of Samuel ROBBINS & Margaret PAGE Message: Marshall, The date for Margaret Robins Page's birth date daughter of Samuel & Margaret Page of December 2, 1733 came from the work of Charles Robbins Hutchinson. I don't know his source. I have the date as December 2, 1745. This date came from Brian Robbins who did on site research of Robins & Page family gravestones in this area around 2004 & 2005. Mr. Hutchinson records Margaret Robins probably married her first cousin Joseph Page & they moved to Connellsville, Fayette Co., PA in 1806. Based on Brian's work, I believe the findagrave site has the correct Margaret Ann Robins Page wife of Joseph Page but not the correct birthdate for her. I think this is another example of the person who created the site not carefully examining the gravestone & taking their date or dates from other sources. Thanks for bringing this to the attention of the group. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:39 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Margaret ROBBINS, daughter of Samuel ROBBINS & Margaret PAGE A while back there was a posting on this list saying that the gravesite of Margaret ROBBINS (daughter of Samuel ROBBINS & Margaret PAGE) had been found. It is here ... https://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=page&GSiman=1&GScid=44582 &GRid=80263659& Up until the time of that posting the birth/death of Margaret was known as 1733/1802. The headstone reads Ann Page, wife of Joseph. The death year is hard to read but it looks like 1814 and the associated bio page on findagrave also shows 1814. The age on the headstone is 69 years. If the headstone is correct then Margaret [Ann] would have been born c1745. The birthdate for Margaret on the associated bio page shows as 2 Dec 1733, which is what the birthdate was known as before the gravesite for Margaret was known. The info for Joseph PAGE and the children on findagrave seems to be correct. Does anyone know if this is really Margaret/Ann ROBBINS (daughter of Samuel ROBBINS & Margaret PAGE), and what dates are correct? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1747 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-22 11:19:45 Subject:RE:Margaret Robins Page Message: Marshall, I looked at the Charles Robbins Hutchinson papers to see if he has a source for the birth date of Margaret Ann Robins daughter of Samuel & Margaret Page Robins. He records that all the birth dates for Samuel & Margaret Robins children are from the Chesterfield Monthly Meeting with the exception of daughter Mary. I can't find the birth date for Margaret Robins in the Chesterfield Monthly Meeting Records. Maybe it is there & I haven't found it. If Mr. Hutchinson is correct, it doesn't agree with the gravestone inscription. Mr. Hutchinson records Margaret's birth date of Dec. 2, 1733 in more than one place. He was a descendant of Aaron Robins, Sr. & s eems to have taken a special interest this line by devoting a separate section on Aaron Robins' & his family. This does raise questions. Mr. Hutchinson's work like all of us human beings wasn't error free so will see if this can be sorted out. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1748 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-22 13:28:02 Subject:Robbins of NJ Book, Question Message: On page 35 in the book, at the bottom of the page ... Frank ROBBINS (b 1846) is indented to appear to be a son of William ROBBINS (b 1839). Am I correct to assume Frank ROBBINS is actually a son of Vanroom ROBBINS (1804-1887) a few lines above? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1749 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-09-22 17:10:05 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins of NJ Book, Question Message: Marshall, The genealogy found on pages 17-38 came from genealogy compiled by John Taylor. I understand your confusion. I have trouble reading that outline as I find those little dashes that indicate generation relationship difficulty to figure out. It was something John wanted to include , never use it as I have my own files. My research shows Frank Robbins b. about 1846 was the son of Vanroom Robbins, Jr. b. 10-13- 1804, d. 3-9-1886 Camden Co., NJ. Co., NJ & his wife Margaretta Blackwell. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 1:28 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins of NJ Book, Question On page 35 in the book, at the bottom of the page ... Frank ROBBINS (b 1846) is indented to appear to be a son of William ROBBINS (b 1839). Am I correct to assume Frank ROBBINS is actually a son of Vanroom ROBBINS (1804-1887) a few lines above? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1750 Sender:genilady@... Post Date/Time:2017-09-23 11:05:59 Subject:John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Message: Greetings Fellow Robbins Researchers! I am new to this group. My 3rd GGF, John Robbins, has been a brick wall for me for years. I know from the 1880 US Census for Plain Twp, Franklin Co, OH, that his parents were both born in New Jersey. After reading The Hoffman/Taylor book Robins, Robbins of New Jersey (especially p. 42) I am wondering if my John could be the son of Thomas or Jonathan Robins and grandson of William Robins. My John was born in Northumberland Co (now Columbia Co), PA, about 1800. According to 1850, 1860 federal census reports, John's wife was Mary from Pennsylvania. According to 1870 federal census report, John's wife was Catherine from Ohio John's children (mothers unclear) and birth years: Charity Ann Robbins 1826 James Daniel Robbins (2nd GGF) 1829 Anna Robbins 1831 Margaret Robbins 1832 David D. Robbins 1834 Wesley Robbins 1842 Daniel Robbins 1844 Milligan Robbins 18445 Lewis Robbins 1847 Harriet Robbins 1854 The last 4 children were born in New Albany, Franklin, OH. The rest were born in Columbia Co, PA. Any other descendants of my John Robbins/Robins in this group? Cindy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1751 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-23 13:53:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Margaret Robins Page Message: I tend to feel the findagrave bio info is in error. I've writtem to the creator of the findagrave pages for Joseph PAGE and Margaret [Ann] ROBINS. Hopefully I'll get a reply. > I looked at the Charles Robbins Hutchinson papers to see if he has a > source for the birth date of Margaret Ann Robins daughter of Samuel & > Margaret Page Robins. He records that all the birth dates for Samuel & > Margaret Robins children are from the Chesterfield Monthly Meeting with > the exception of daughter Mary. I can't find the birth date for Margaret > Robins in the Chesterfield Monthly Meeting Records. Maybe it is there & I > haven't found it. If Mr. Hutchinson is correct, it doesn't agree with the > gravestone inscription. Mr. Hutchinson records Margaret's birth date of > Dec. 2, 1733 in more than one place. He was a descendant of Aaron Robins, > Sr. & seems to have taken a special interest this line by devoting a > separate section on Aaron Robins' & his family. This does raise > questions. Mr. Hutchinson's work like all of us human beings wasn't error > free so will see if this can be sorted out. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1752 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-09-23 17:45:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Margaret Robins Page Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } The stone is a different matter, of course, but I ha ve the impression that the other biographical information is done in haste. I use that to give me hints about finding more reliable information. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, September 23, 2017, 3:54 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I tend to feel the findagrave bio info is in error. I've writtem to the creator of the findagrave pages for Joseph PAGE and Margaret [Ann] ROBINS. Hopefully I'll get a reply. > I looked at the Charles Robbins Hutchinson papers to see if he has a > source for the birth date of Margaret Ann Robins daughter of Samuel & > Margaret Page Robins. He records that all the birth dates for Samuel & > Margaret Robins children are from the Chesterfield Monthly Meeting with > the exception of daughter Mary. I can't find the birth date for Margaret > Robins in the Chesterfield Monthly Meeting Records. Maybe it is there & I > haven't found it. If Mr. Hutchinson is correct, it doesn't agree with the > gravestone inscription. Mr. Hutchinson records Margaret's birth date of > Dec. 2, 1733 in more than one place. He was a descendant of Aaron Robins, > Sr. & seems to have taken a special interest this line by devoting a > separate section on Aaron Robins' & his family. This does raise > questions. Mr. Hutchinson's work like all of us human beings wasn't error > free so will see if this can be sorted out. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv0132508286 #yiv0132508286 -- #yiv0132508286ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv0132508286 #yiv0132508286ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv0132508286 #yiv 0132508286ygrp-mkp #yiv0132508286hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv0132508286 #yiv0132508286ygrp-mkp #yiv0132508286ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv0132508286 #yiv0132508286 ygrp-mkp .yiv0132508286ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv0132508286 #yiv0132508286ygrp-mkp .yiv0132508286ad p {margin:0;}#yiv0132508286 #yiv0132508286ygrp-mkp .yiv0132508286ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0132508286 #y iv0132508286ygrp-sponsor #yiv0132508286ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv0132508286 #yiv0132508286ygrp-sponsor #yiv0132508286ygrp-lc #yiv0132508286hd {margin:10px 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I don't know if Tracey created these abstracts or someone else (I know, I should keep track of such things). I know there are members here researching ROBINS in Warren & Sussex Counties. I have all the deeds if anyone wants a copy. file - JohnRobbins.jpg dated - 14 Mar 1798 grantor - John ROBBINS & (wife) Rachel of Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Matthias CONKLE of Hardwick Twp amount - 140 pounds lot - 78 acres situate in Hardwick Twp bordering - Martin SWARTSWELLER Adam CONKLE Martin SWILDER, dec'd previous owners - Daniel VAUGHAN Isaac REED 4 Sep 1796 witnessed - 14 May 1802 witnesses - Daniel VAUGHAN Gersham BARTOW judge - John ARMSTRONG recorded - 19 May 1802 file - DanielRobins.jpg dated - 2 Feb 1804 grantor - Daniel ROBINS of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ amount - $100 lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnesses - John ARMSTRONG Jacob ARMSTRONG notes - Daniel ROBINS is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate file - JohnRobins.jpg dated - 16 Apr 1813 grantor - Joseph DEMUND & (wife) Martha of Independence Twp, Sussex CO, NJ grantee - John ROBINS Jr of Independence Twp lot - 2 6/10 acres situate in Independence Twp witnessed - 26 Apr 1813 witnesses - Johnson DEMUND David HEATH Jr judge - Montgomery READING recorded - 27 (29 ?) May 1813 file - JonathanRobbins.jpg dated - 8 May 1813 grantor - Christian SHARPS, dec'd & (wife) Elizabeth of Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp lot - 150 acres (2 parcels) situate in Greenwich Twp amount - $2933 previous owner - Christopher FALKENBERGER of Greenwich Twp 9 Nov 1752 bordering - Jacob HULSHEIZER Peter CREVELING Joseph B HUGHES witnessed - 8 May 1813 witnesses - James MELICH Thomas STEWART recorded - 17 Aug 1813 notes - it is mentioned that Christian SHARPS usually wrote his surname as SHARPENSTIEN Christian SHARPS' will dated 27 Sep 1793 land bequeathed to "grand nephew Christian SHARPENSTIEN, son of my nephew John SHARPENSTIEN" file - JonathanRobbins-2.jpg grantor - Ebenezer BEERS & (wife) Jocelyn of Oxford Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $20 witnessed - 9 May 1814 witness - Thomas STEWART recorded - 24 May 1814 file - JohnGRobbins.jpg dated - 2 May 1815 grantor - Jacob PETTY & (wife) Effie of Mansfield Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Hohn G ROBBINS & Edward YEOMANS, both of Mansfield Twp lot - 15 acres situate in Mansfield Twp amount - $215 bordering - John ANDERSON previous owner - Benjamin COLEMAN witnessed - 10 May 1815 witnesses - John PETTY Phil JOHNSTON judge - Henry HANKINSON recorded - 23 May 1815 file - IsaacRobins.jpg dated - 19 Jun 1815 grantor - Jacob VAUGHAN of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnessed - 31 Jan 1816 witnesses - Ira SHERER Isaav READ judge - John ARMSTRONG notes - Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as the son-in-law of Daniel ROBINS, dec'd wife of Jacob VAUGHAN - Abigail recorded - 26 Jun 1824 file - JonathanRobins.jpg grantor - John PHILLIPS & (wife) Hannah of Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $32.50 previous owners - John BUTLER & (wife) Margaret 1812 witnessed - 20 May 1814 judge - Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 20 & 24 May 1814 notes - Hannah noted as daughter of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-7.jpg grantor - Amos BEERS & (wife) Mary of Phillipsburgh, Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $33 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 31 Dec 1814 witnesses - Philip REESE Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Amos noted as son of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-6.jpg grantor - Charles BEERS & (wife) Margaret of Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $35 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 9 Jan 1815 witnesses - Philip REESE Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Charles noted as son of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-4.jpg grantor - Conrad SAX & (wife) Mary of Lehigh Twp, Luzerne Co, PA grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $20 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 4 Feb 1815 witnesses - Philip REESE Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Mary noted as daughter of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-5.jpg grantor - William BEERS & (wife) Sarah of Phillipsburgh, Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $45 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 22 Feb 1815 witnesses - Thomas BEERS Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - William noted as son of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-3.jpg grantor - Jacob PHILIPS & (wife) Elizabeth of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp bordering - Jacob HULSHISER witnessed - 22 Aug 1815 witnesses - Samuel COLEMAN Thomas STEWART recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Elizabeth noted as daughter of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - DanielRobbins.jpg dated - 1 Apr 1816 grantor - James BROWN of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ (a blacksmith) grantee - Daniel ROBBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ (a blacksmith) amount - $400 lot - 86 4/10 perches situate in Knowlton Twp bordering - John MATTHEWS Jonathan HILE previous owners - Nicholas E BROWN & (wife) Elizabeth 2 Sep 1809 Partharena (?) PARSINGER 14 Dec 1812 witnesses - Barnabus SWAYZE John FERGUSON recorded - 29 May 1816 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1754 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-24 17:51:00 Subject:Margaret [Ann] ROBINS, Spouse of Joseph PAGE (cont'd) Message: I received a reply from the creator of the page for Margaret [Ann] Page on findagrave. Below is my message and the reply. > I got to re-thinking the "Ann Page" tombstone thing.� I thought that it > then was Ann Thompson Page, who married a Joseph, the son of Timothy.� > He� is buried at Toms River NJ.� I think there's a memorial for him too.� > BUT, when I got to checking, I have a tombstone photo for her burial too, > and it's not that same picture.� So now I don't know who that tombstone > is really, but I removed it. >> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Marshall Lake wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm writing with regard to the findagrave entries: >> https://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=80263659 >> https://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=80263838 >> >> I have unverified info saying Margaret [Ann] ROBINS was born 2 Dec >> 1733 in Allentown, Monmouth County, New Jersey, married Joseph PAGE >> (b c1741) in 1761 in NJ, and died in 1802 in Connellsville, Bullskin >> Township, Fayette County, Pennsylvania.� They had 7 children, all >> born in NJ, before moving to PA in 1796. >> >> Again, this is unverified info. >> >> I'm wondering where the info comes from appearing on findagrave.�It >> appears that the headstone for Ann PAGE shows died in 1814, aged >> 69.� Yet, the bio info on findagrave shows that she was born in 1733 >> (same as my unverified info) which would make her 81 in 1814.� How >> was Ann (on the headstone) linked to Margaret Ann (shown in the bio >> info). >> >> Three of the children linked to this couple on findagrave agree >> with my unverified info. >> >> I appreciate any help. >> -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1755 Sender:Moria Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-09-24 19:20:10 Subject:Independence Corner Message: Would anyone know about the parents of John Robins born 1788 Independence Corner and died 1863 in MI The reason I ask is because my Anna Robins born 1783 Knowlton married William Ferguson from Independence. Also, will someone suggest a DNA site other than Ancestry. Thank you, Barbara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1756 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-09-24 21:02:27 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Independence Corner Message: Barbara, I can recommend Family Tree DNA. I just did a upgrade from there, they preserved our DNA for nine years. Have a good day. Shirley Robbins Hawley Sent from my iPad > On Sep 24, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Moria Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Would anyone know about the parents of John Robins born 1788 Independence Corner and died 1863 in MI > > The reason I ask is because my Anna Robins born 1783 Knowlton married William Ferguson from Independence. > > Also, will someone suggest a DNA site other than Ancestry. > > Thank you, > Barbara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1757 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-25 10:17:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Independence Corner Message: Do you know anything further about John ROBINS ? Also, can you tell us more about Anna ROBINS & William FERGUSON ? The only place I have any experience with regarding purchasing DNA tests is ftdna.com. It seems like a good site. I've never had any problems there. A good place for comparing auDNA results is gedmatch.com > Would anyone know about the parents of John Robins born 1788 Independence > Corner and died 1863 in MI > > The reason I ask is because my Anna Robins born 1783 Knowlton married > William Ferguson from Independence. > > Also, will someone suggest a DNA site other than Ancestry. > > Thank you, > Barbara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1758 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-26 04:18:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: I’ve been away on vacation since Sept. 9th. I’ll answer your question when I’m less busy. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 12:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi Garry, I think your theory that William is the son of Jonathan is a very good one. It would explain why the admin of Jonathan's estate (5 Nov 1774) was William Robins. Could you expand on this statement: "Information from a son says that he (the son) was born in Sussex County, NJ, circa 1760. This possibly places William in Warren County (formed later from Sussex), near Easton, where Jonathan Pettit lived." Which son is this and where did he say it? Tracey On 9/7/2017 2:19 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, I have no proof, but to put Deborah and her brother, William, somewhere I’ve placed them as children of Jonathan Robins (son of Daniel). Probably, I shouldn’t make this suggestion. William may be the one who died in 1811 in Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Information from a son says that he (the son) was born in Sussex County, NJ, circa 1760. This possibly places William in Warren County (formed later from Sussex), near Easton, where Jonathan Pettit lived. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:11 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Garry & Group, Deborah Robins had a brother William Robins. Will of Jonathan Pettit b. abt. 1721, d. between 10-20-1768 when his Will was written & 2-4-1769 when it was proved. He was living in Easton, Northampton Co., PA in 1768. T he Will names his wife Deborah, brother Nathaniel Pettit & brother-in-law William Robins as executors. A history of the family of Nathaniel & Elizabeth Heath Pettit of Hunterdon County, NJ by Rev. Frank Baldwin was publ ished in The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Sept. 2013 Vol. 88 Number 3. According to this publication Deborah Robins moved back to Hardwick Township, Sussex Co., NJ after Jonathan’s death where she died in 1791. Her Will was written on 3-21-1791 & proved 3-31-1791. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi, Jonathan Pettit was born in 1721. His wife, Deborah, was probably born later than that. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:18 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Tracey, I think your analysis is reasonable and stands up to my scrutiny. Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for each of them? I have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it shows: Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 I exchanged a couple of messages with Martha Heywood mailto:mheywood@... a while back and she believes (through circumstantial evidence) that William and Deborah (identified as a sister to William in her husband's, Jonathan Pettit, will) are children of Daniel (b 1666). Martha also connects William to the HUNT family, specifically Thomas Hunt. For what it's worth, in a book by Chuck Poley and Gary Robins (I don't know if anyone remembers them besides myself and Sara) they name the additional children (after the first 5) as possibly William, Elisha, Timothy, Richard, Elizabeth, Ephraim, Deborah and Hannah. > My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son > of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can > consider it and discuss it. > > As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in > Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, > March 27 1737: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > Amos Thatcher No. 9 > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned > by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the > mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I > believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between > 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 > when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. > > My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were > "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was > probably property they inherited. > > I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage > property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would > mean that they were all born before 1716. > > Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's > shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and > Elisha Robins > > In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /Mortgages/ > > Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the > description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a > Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match > below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that > were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. [remainder snipped] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1759 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-26 08:51:46 Subject:Robbins of NJ Book, Interpreting Dates Message: In the Robins of NJ book, how should the dates before 1752 appearing [mostly] in the bible records be interpreted? For example, when it is written "b. 21, 4 mo., 1749" is that: 21 Apr 1749 or 21 Jun 1749 It seems to be interpreted in the book as 21 Apr 1749. Is that indeed correct? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1760 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-26 12:12:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Hi Tracy, This is from my notes for Thomas H. Robbins, born 1760, son of William: The Abstracts of the Rev. War Pension Files says that Thomas was born in Sussex County, NJ and lived in Hunterdon County, NJ when he enlisted in the War. William’s 1st son was Thomas, probably named after his wife’s father. William’s 2nd son was Jonathan. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 12:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi Garry, I think your theory that William is the son of Jonathan is a very good one. It would explain why the admin of Jonathan's estate (5 Nov 1774) was William Robins. Could you expand on this statement: "Information from a son says that he (the son) was born in Sussex County, NJ, circa 1760. This possibly places William in Warren County (formed later from Sussex), near Easton, where Jonathan Pettit lived." Which son is this and where did he say it? Tracey On 9/7/2017 2:19 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, I have no proof, but to put Deborah and her brother, William, somewhere I’ve placed them as children of Jonathan Robins (son of Daniel). Probably, I shouldn’t make this suggestion. William may be the one who died in 1811 in Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Information from a son says that he (the son) was born in Sussex County, NJ, circa 1760. This possibly places William in Warren County (formed later from Sussex), near Easton, where Jonathan Pettit lived. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:11 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Garry & Group, Deborah Robins had a brother William Robins. Will of Jonathan Pettit b. abt. 1721, d. between 10-20-1768 when his Will was written & 2-4-1769 when it was proved. He was living in Easton, Northampton Co., PA in 1768. T he Will names his wife Deborah, brother Nathaniel Pettit & brother-in-law William Robins as executors. A history of the family of Nathaniel & Elizabeth Heath Pettit of Hunterdon County, NJ by Rev. Frank Baldwin was publ ished in The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Sept. 2013 Vol. 88 Number 3. According to this publication Deborah Robins moved back to Hardwick Township, Sussex Co., NJ after Jonathan’s death where she died in 1791. Her Will was written on 3-21-1791 & proved 3-31-1791. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi, Jonathan Pettit was born in 1721. His wife, Deborah, was probably born later than that. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:18 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Tracey, I think your analysis is reasonable and stands up to my scrutiny. Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for each of them? I have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it shows: Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 I exchanged a couple of messages with Martha Heywood mailto:mheywood@comcast.net a while back and she believes (through circumstantial evidence) that William and Deborah (identified as a sister to William in her husband's, Jonathan Pettit, will) are children of Daniel (b 1666). Martha also connects William to the HUNT family, specifically Thomas Hunt. For what it's worth, in a book by Chuck Poley and Gary Robins (I don't know if anyone remembers them besides myself and Sara) they name the additional children (after the first 5) as possibly William, Elisha, Timothy, Richard, Elizabeth, Ephraim, Deborah and Hannah. > My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son > of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can > consider it and discuss it. > > As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in > Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, > March 27 1737: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > Amos Thatcher No. 9 > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned > by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the > mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I > believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between > 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 > when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. > > My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were > "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was > probably property they inherited. > > I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage > property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would > mean that they were all born before 1716. > > Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's > shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and > Elisha Robins > > In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /Mortgages/ > > Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the > description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a > Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match > below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that > were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. [remainder snipped] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1761 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-09-26 12:55:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I have so many things going on at once. This may not be related to you. I found where someone did a really nice spread sheet on the 1900 census in Davidson Twp, Sullivan County Pa. I decided to trace these Robbins as best I could. I did not do much verification on th is, just zebra hunting. I found a Armor Eugene Robbins born in 1870, wife Carrie Bogart and kids Ethel and Joseph O, the next layer up is Henderson Robbins, 1827-1907 Nordmont Davidson, Sullivan, PA, William J Robbins and Susannah 1799-1876, buried in Nordmont D, S, PA, next is Jonathan Robbins and Tamar1762-1818, Hunterdon Cty.,NJ,then on top I have William Robbins and Mary Chedworth, Gloucester, England, 1745 - 1811. Died in Hunt erdon, NJ. I think there may be a Thomas in here somewhere. I didn't write down all the kids names. No connection to me yet, anyway. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, September 26, 2017, 2:12 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Tracy, This is from my notes for Thomas H. Robbins, born 1760, son of William: The Abstracts of the Rev. War Pension Files says that Thomas was born in Sussex County, NJ and lived in Hunterdon County, NJ when he enli sted in the War. William’s 1st son was Thomas, probably named after his wife’s father. William’s 2nd son was Jonathan. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 12:10 PMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi Garry, I think your theory that William is the son of Jonathan is a very good one. It would explain why the admin of Jonathan's estate (5 Nov 1774) was William Robins. Could you expand on this statement: "Information from a son says that he (the son) was born in Sussex County, NJ, circa 1760. This possibly places William in Warren County (formed later from Sussex), near Easton, where Jonathan Pettit lived." Which son is this and where did he say it? Tracey On 9/7/2017 2:19 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, I have no proof, but to put Deborah and her brother, William, somewhere I’ve placed them as children of Jonathan Robins (son of Daniel). Probably, I shouldn’t make this suggestion. William may be the one w ho died in 1811 in Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Information from a son says that he (the son) was born in Sussex County, NJ, circa 1760. This possibly places William in Warren County (formed later from Sussex) , near Easton, where Jonathan Pettit lived. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:11 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsf amilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Garry & Group, Deborah Robins had a brother William Robins. Will of Jonathan Pettit b. abt. 1721, d. between 10-20-1768 when his Will was written & 2-4-1769 when it was proved. He was living in Easton, Northampton Co., PA in 1768. The Will names his wife Deborah, brother Nathaniel Pettit & brother-in-law William Robins as executors. A history of the family of Nathaniel & Elizabeth Heath Pettit of Hunterdon County, NJ by Rev. Frank Baldwin was publis hed in The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Sept. 2013 Vol. 88 Number 3. According to this publication Deborah Robins moved back to Hardwick Township, Sussex Co., NJ after Jonathan’s death where she died in 1791. He r Will was written on 3-21-1791 & proved 3-31-1791. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi, Jonathan Pettit was born in 1721. His wife, Deborah, was probably born later than that. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:18 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Tracey, I think your analysis is reasonable and stands up to my scrutiny. Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for each of them? I have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it shows: Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 I exchanged a couple of messages with Martha Heywood mailto:mheywood@comcast.net a while back and she believes (through circumstantial evidence) that William and Deborah (identified as a sister to William in her husband's, Jonathan Pettit, will) are children of Daniel (b 1666). Martha also connects William to the HUNT family, specifically Thomas Hunt. For what it's worth, in a book by Chuck Poley and Gary Robins (I don't know if anyone remembers them besides myself and Sara) they name the additional children (after the first 5) as possibly William, Elisha, Timothy, Richard, Elizabeth, Ephraim, Deborah and Hannah. > My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son > of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can > consider it and discuss it. > > As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in > Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, > March 27 1737: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > Amos Thatcher No. 9 > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned > by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the > mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I > believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between > 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 > when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. > > My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were > "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was > probably property they inherited. > > I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage > property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would > mean that they were all born before 1716. > > Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's > shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and > Elisha Robins > > In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /Mortgages/ > > Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the > description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a > Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match > below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that > were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. 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for land records, plattes or wills or intestate rulings yet. Have you found them on line or in person at courthouses? Thank you for any wisdom you could impart to me! I have found a Moses Robins and an Obediah Robbins in Burlingame Cty. Moses first town clerk. They say some of the very earliest settlers of Burlingame Cty could be Robins. Can't remember how many b's. Only reason I looked there is that the book I am reading includes both that county and Mercer. From a relative of my Robbins family I heard our people may have come in at the Delaware River. I noticed the township name of Robbinsville. (Recently changed from Washington bec ause of so many by that name. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, September 23, 2017, 8:05 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The following are abstracts of some Sussex County, NJ deeds involving ROBINS. I don't know if Tracey created these abstracts or someone else (I know, I should keep track of such things). I know there are members here researching ROBINS in Warren & Sussex Counties. I have all the deeds if anyone wants a copy. file - JohnRobbins.jpg dated - 14 Mar 1798 grantor - John ROBBINS & (wife) Rachel of Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Matthias CONKLE of Hardwick Twp amount - 140 pounds lot - 78 acres situate in Hardwick Twp bordering - Martin SWARTSWELLER Adam CONKLE Martin SWILDER, dec'd previous owners - Daniel VAUGHAN Isaac REED 4 Sep 1796 witnessed - 14 May 1802 witnesses - Daniel VAUGHAN Gersham BARTOW judge - John ARMSTRONG recorded - 19 May 1802 file - DanielRobins.jpg dated - 2 Feb 1804 grantor - Daniel ROBINS of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ amount - $100 lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnesses - John ARMSTRONG Jacob ARMSTRONG notes - Daniel ROBINS is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate file - JohnRobins.jpg dated - 16 Apr 1813 grantor - Joseph DEMUND & (wife) Martha of Independence Twp, Sussex CO, NJ grantee - John ROBINS Jr of Independence Twp lot - 2 6/10 acres situate in Independence Twp witnessed - 26 Apr 1813 witnesses - Johnson DEMUND David HEATH Jr judge - Montgomery READING recorded - 27 (29 ?) May 1813 file - JonathanRobbins.jpg dated - 8 May 1813 grantor - Christian SHARPS, dec'd & (wife) Elizabeth of Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp lot - 150 acres (2 parcels) situate in Greenwich Twp amount - $2933 previous owner - Christopher FALKENBERGER of Greenwich Twp 9 Nov 1752 bordering - Jacob HULSHEIZER Peter CREVELING Joseph B HUGHES witnessed - 8 May 1813 witnesses - James MELICH Thomas STEWART recorded - 17 Aug 1813 notes - it is mentioned that Christian SHARPS usually wrote his surname as SHARPENSTIEN Christian SHARPS' will dated 27 Sep 1793 land bequeathed to "grand nephew Christian SHARPENSTIEN, son of my nephew John SHARPENSTIEN" file - JonathanRobbins-2.jpg grantor - Ebenezer BEERS & (wife) Jocelyn of Oxford Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $20 witnessed - 9 May 1814 witness - Thomas STEWART recorded - 24 May 1814 file - JohnGRobbins.jpg dated - 2 May 1815 grantor - Jacob PETTY & (wife) Effie of Mansfield Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Hohn G ROBBINS & Edward YEOMANS, both of Mansfield Twp lot - 15 acres situate in Mansfield Twp amount - $215 bordering - John ANDERSON previous owner - Benjamin COLEMAN witnessed - 10 May 1815 witnesses - John PETTY Phil JOHNSTON judge - Henry HANKINSON recorded - 23 May 1815 file - IsaacRobins.jpg dated - 19 Jun 1815 grantor - Jacob VAUGHAN of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnessed - 31 Jan 1816 witnesses - Ira SHERER Isaav READ judge - John ARMSTRONG notes - Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as the son-in-law of Daniel ROBINS, dec'd wife of Jacob VAUGHAN - Abigail recorded - 26 Jun 1824 file - JonathanRobins.jpg grantor - John PHILLIPS & (wife) Hannah of Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $32.50 previous owners - John BUTLER & (wife) Margaret 1812 witnessed - 20 May 1814 judge - Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 20 & 24 May 1814 notes - Hannah noted as daughter of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-7.jpg grantor - Amos BEERS & (wife) Mary of Phillipsburgh, Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $33 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 31 Dec 1814 witnesses - Philip REESE Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Amos noted as son of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-6.jpg grantor - Charles BEERS & (wife) Margaret of Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $35 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 9 Jan 1815 witnesses - Philip REESE Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Charles noted as son of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-4.jpg grantor - Conrad SAX & (wife) Mary of Lehigh Twp, Luzerne Co, PA grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $20 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 4 Feb 1815 witnesses - Philip REESE Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Mary noted as daughter of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-5.jpg grantor - William BEERS & (wife) Sarah of Phillipsburgh, Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $45 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 22 Feb 1815 witnesses - Thomas BEERS Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - William noted as son of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-3.jpg grantor - Jacob PHILIPS & (wife) Elizabeth of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp bordering - Jacob HULSHISER witnessed - 22 Aug 1815 witnesses - Samuel COLEMAN Thomas STEWART recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Elizabeth noted as daughter of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - DanielRobbins.jpg dated - 1 Apr 1816 grantor - James BROWN of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ (a blacksmith) grantee - Daniel ROBBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ (a blacksmith) amount - $400 lot - 86 4/10 perches situate in Knowlton Twp bordering - John MATTHEWS Jonathan HILE previous owners - Nicholas E BROWN & (wife) Elizabeth 2 Sep 1809 Partharena (?) 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The first day of the year was March 25th. When It changed to the New Style Gregorian calendar the first day of the year became January 1st. Quakers continued to use the Old Style after 1752/53. If the Old Style was used then June would have been considered to be the 4th month. We know Quakers continued to use the Old Style but others could have used either calendar depending on when the record was written. I believe the date "21, 4 mo., 1749" from the Bible record you refer to is for Abel & Lydia Robbins page 99. The Bible was printed in 1791, Abel Robbins & family were Quakers. The second record where it is recorded April 21st 1749 came from a Bible record written by Hannah Robbins Dickson b. 1792. Hannah gives a date for her recordings as June 23, 1839 on page 116. It looks like Hannah Robbins Dickson interpreted the 4th month to be April by using the New Style Gregorian calendar. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:52 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins of NJ Book, Interpreting Dates In the Robins of NJ book, how should the dates before 1752 appearing [mostly] in the bible records be interpreted? For example, when it is written "b. 21, 4 mo., 1749" is that: 21 Apr 1749 or 21 Jun 1749 It seems to be interpreted in the book as 21 Apr 1749. Is that indeed correct? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1764 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-09-26 16:16:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Got it! Thanks Garry! On 9/26/2017 2:12 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Tracy, This is from my notes for Thomas H. Robbins, born 1760, son of William: The Abstracts of the Rev. War Pension Files says that Thomas was born in Sussex County, NJ and lived in Hunterdon County, NJ when he enlisted in the War. William’s 1st son was Thomas, probably named after his wife’s father. William’s 2nd son was Jonathan. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 12:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi Garry, I think your theory that William is the son of Jonathan is a very good one. It would explain why the admin of Jonathan's estate (5 Nov 1774) was William Robins. Could you expand on this statement: "Information from a son says that he (the son) was born in Sussex County, NJ, circa 1760. This possibly places William in Warren County (formed later from Sussex), near Easton, where Jonathan Pettit lived." Which son is this and where did he say it? Tracey On 9/7/2017 2:19 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, I have no proof, but to put Deborah and her brother, William, somewhere I’ve placed them as children of Jonathan Robins (son of Daniel). Probably, I shouldn’t make this suggestion. William may be the one who died in 1811 in Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Information from a son says that he (the son) was born in Sussex County, NJ, circa 1760. This possibly places William in Warren County (formed later from Sussex), near Easton, where Jonathan Pettit lived. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:11 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Garry & Group, Deborah Robins had a brother William Robins. Will of Jonathan Pettit b. abt. 1721, d. between 10-20-1768 when his Will was written & 2-4-1769 when it was proved. He was living in Easton, Northampton Co., PA in 1768. The Will names his wife Deborah, brother Nathaniel Pettit & brother-in-law William Robins as executors. A history of the family of Nathaniel & Elizabeth Heath Pettit of Hunterdon County, NJ by Rev. Frank Baldwin was published in The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Sept. 2013 Vol. 88 Number 3. According to this publication Deborah Robins moved back to Hardwick Township, Sussex Co., NJ after Jonathan’s death where she died in 1791. Her Will was written on 3-21-1791 & proved 3-31-1791. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 2:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Hi, Jonathan Pettit was born in 1721. His wife, Deborah, was probably born later than that. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:18 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Family, Hunterdon Co, NJ Tracey, I think your analysis is reasonable and stands up to my scrutiny. Question - were there two mortgages at the same time for each of them? I have a partial index to Hunterdon County mortgages and it shows: Robins, Elisha 1737-1745 10 Robins, Elisha 1737-1748 10 Robins, Isaac 1737-1745 20 Robins, Isaac 1737-1748 20 Robins, Joshua 1737-1745 8 Robins, Josua 1737-1748 8 I exchanged a couple of messages with Martha Heywood mailto:mheywood@... a while back and she believes (through circumstantial evidence) that William and Deborah (identified as a sister to William in her husband's, Jonathan Pettit, will) are children of Daniel (b 1666). Martha also connects William to the HUNT family, specifically Thomas Hunt. For what it's worth, in a book by Chuck Poley and Gary Robins (I don't know if anyone remembers them besides myself and Sara) they name the additional children (after the first 5) as possibly William, Elisha, Timothy, Richard, Elizabeth, Ephraim, Deborah and Hannah. > My evidence for Amos Thatcher as a son in law and Elisha Robins as a son > of Daniel Robins (b. 1666) is very circumstantial--but perhaps we can > consider it and discuss it. > > As many of you will recall, some time ago, I reviewed mortgages in > Hunterdon Co. I found the following mortgages all made on the same day, > March 27 1737: > Joshua Robins No. 8 > Amos Thatcher No. 9 > Elisha Robins No. 10 > Isaac Robins No. 20 > > All of these mortgages seem to be for property that was originally owned > by Daniel Robins, Jr. (b. 1666) who is referred to in a couple of the > mortgages as "Daniel Robins, deceased." As I've mentioned before, I > believe this 1737 date proves that Daniel Robins Jr. died between > 1733--when that newspaper article was written about him and March 27 1737 > when he's referred to as "Daniel Robins, deceased" in these mortgages. > > My guess is that all of these men (Joshua, Amos, Elisha, and Isaac) were > "heirs" of Daniel Robins and the property they took mortgages on was > probably property they inherited. > > I would think they would all need to be 21 years old or older to mortgage > property--but again, I don't know for sure. However, if true, that would > mean that they were all born before 1716. > > Some of the land seems to be contiguous. For example, Amos' and Elisha's > shares a boundary. And Amos' and Job's shares a boundary. > > Job Robins witnessed the mortgages of Joshua Robins, Amos Thatcher, and > Elisha Robins > > In any case, I made PDFs of these 4 mortgages. You can see them at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /Mortgages/ > > Perhaps there are deeds for Daniel Robins, Jr. that match the > description of the property descriptions in these mortgages? There is a > Daniel Robins deed match for Joshua's property and I've noted that match > below. But likely, the rest of the property came from larger tracts that > were subdivided...So it might be difficult to match up. [remainder snipped] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1765 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-26 20:08:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sussex County Deeds Message: John Taylor did a lot of hands-on deed research years ago when he co-authored "Robins/Robbins of New Jersey". For New Jersey, you can search and order records here ... https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_ArchivesDBPortal/index.aspx > Marshall or whoever can help, I haven't done much searching for land > records, plattes or wills or intestate rulings yet. Have you found them > on line or in person at courthouses? Thank you for any wisdom you could > impart to me! I have found a Moses Robins and an Obediah Robbins in > Burlingame Cty. Moses first town clerk. They say some of the very > earliest settlers of Burlingame Cty could be Robins. Can't remember how > many b's. Only reason I looked there is that the book I am reading > includes both that county and Mercer. From a relative of my Robbins > family I heard our people may have come in at the Delaware River. I > noticed the township name of Robbinsville. (Recently changed from > Washington because of so many by that name. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1766 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-26 20:11:02 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sussex County Deeds Message: John Taylor did a lot of hands-on deed research years ago when he co-authored "Robins/Robbins of New Jersey". For New Jersey, you can search and order records here ... https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_ArchivesDBPortal/index.aspx > Marshall or whoever can help, I haven't done much searching for land > records, plattes or wills or intestate rulings yet. Have you found them > on line or in person at courthouses? Thank you for any wisdom you could > impart to me! I have found a Moses Robins and an Obediah Robbins in > Burlingame Cty. Moses first town clerk. They say some of the very > earliest settlers of Burlingame Cty could be Robins. Can't remember how > many b's. Only reason I looked there is that the book I am reading > includes both that county and Mercer. From a relative of my Robbins > family I heard our people may have come in at the Delaware River. I > noticed the township name of Robbinsville. (Recently changed from > Washington because of so many by that name. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1767 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-27 03:05:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obediah ROBINS Message: Isaac Robbins lived longer than 1836. In 1836, I believe he had moved to Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. I may have received the following from Sara: From: Selected Final Pension Payment Vouchers 1818-1864: Pennsylvania, Vol. 1, pg. 476 Robins, Isaac Columbia Co. 22 Sept 1845 former private Isaac Robins, his X mark, of Greenwood township 10 years and previous thereto NJ Witness George Masters, JP Johnson, H. Ikeler Philadelphia, 8 October 1845, John B. Stevenson collected $36.43 From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:32 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obediah ROBINS Thanks for all the great comments with regard to Isaac ROBINS (1758-1836). Recently I came across the following [transcribed] document. I think it's unusual and thought I'd pass it along. There's no location in the document but I found it with a bunch of NJ Revolutionary War docs. I presume the Obediah ROBINS named in the document is the son of Vincent ROBINS & Ann KITCHEN. BEGIN [page 1] ? Memorial Obadiah Robbins & Co. June 23, 1785 Referred to ? Hardy ? Howell ? J. Henry ? Pettit ? Grayson (?) [page 2] To the humble the Continental Congress The memorial of Obediah Robins & Company merchants at said ? humbly sheweth --- That your memorialist at sundry times advanced many articles of merchandise to persons who have been unfortunate enough to be taken prisoners by the indians. That your memorialist exhibited an account of such supplies to the humble the Commissioners for treating with the indians a copy of which is herewith transmitted; - But though the Commissioner were satisfied of the justice of your memorialist application they did not think their powers extended so far as to furnish relief - your memorialist therefore pray that your honorable body will take their case under consideration, & as a regard only to the right of humanity would them to supply the unfortunate that you will be pleased to reimburse them, and your petitioners as in duly bound shall ever pray. Obediah Robins & Co [page 3] Report of ? Hardy ? Howell ? J Henry ? Pettit ? Grayson (?) On case of Obach ? Indians ent'd read 5 July 1785 Obediah Robins [page 4] The committee to whom was referred the letter from John Obach & a memorial from Obediah Robins & Co. submit the following report. - That the letter from the said John Obach be referred to the Commissioners on Indian Affairs; & the memorial from Obediah Robbins & Co. be referred to the Comptroller of the Treasury to report. - END -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1768 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-27 03:15:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Message: I didn’t record a source but I have William’s birthday as 24 Feb, 1725. Son Jonathan was born 26 March, 1762, died 15 January, 1818. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan & T homas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. I believe you named this William Robins who died 1811 in an earlier post. Source: NJ Wills & Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler Phyl lis B. D’Autrechy. ; Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 12:07 To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. Up to this poin t I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. But, recently I came upon two baptismal records from the same church: Jonathan & Margaret Robins Sarah born Jan 28, 1821, bap Sep 17, 1822 Jonathan & Margaret Robins Peter Imly Drake born Apr 27, 1825, bap Dec 11, 1825 So, I no longer think that Jonathan, son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------, is the correct Jonathan. Does anyone have any info which might tell me which Jonathan ROBINS married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1769 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-27 05:08:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Message: What record do you have that suggests your John Robbins was born in Columbia County, PA? From the 1840 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, PA: Robins, John 0000000001-001000001 John 1020001-011201 Thomas 10101-0001 From the 1850 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, PA: Robins, John 80 NJ Mary 78 NJ Robbins, John 50 PA Mary 52 PA Robbins, Thomas 33 OH Elenor 37 NY I didn’t include the children. Garry From: genilady@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 2:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Greetings Fellow Robbins Researchers! I am new to this group. My 3rd GGF, John Robbins, has been a brick wall for me for years. I know from the 1880 US Census for Plain Twp, Franklin Co, OH, that his parents were both born in New Jersey. After reading The H offman/Taylor book Robins, Robbins of New Jersey (especially p. 42) I am wondering if my John could be the son of Thomas or Jonathan Robins and grandson of William Robins. My John was born in Northumberland Co (now Columbia Co), PA, about 1800. According to 1850, 1860 federal census reports, John's wife was Mary from Pennsylvania. According to 1870 federal census report, John's wife was Catherine from Ohio John's children (mothers unclear) and birth years: Charity Ann Robbins 1826 James Daniel Ro bbins (2nd GGF) 1829 Anna Robbins 1831 Margaret Robbins 1832 David D. Robbins 1834 Wesley Robbins 1842 Daniel Robbins 1844 Milligan Robbins 18445 Lewis Robbins 1847 Harriet Robbins 1854 The last 4 children were born in New Albany, Franklin, OH. The rest were born in Columbia Co, PA. Any other descendants of my John Robbins/Robins in this group? Cindy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1770 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-27 07:22:09 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Message: From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-02001 At first I thought the older John must be the father of the younger John. Now, we have Mathias in the mix. It appears that Mathias is the son of Thomas Robbins born 1762. The older John could be the brother of Thomas. Thomas did have a brother John, who was living in Columbia County, PA, in 1814. I’ve seen information that John died in March 1850 in Columbia, but I disagree with this, I believe it to be a different John Robbins, from the “Sincy” Robbins. Now, did the older John have sons, John, Mathias, and Thomas, or only one or two. Thomas was born in 1817, which means he was the son of John Sr., according to the 1830 census. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:08 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 What record do you have that suggests your John Robbins was born in Columbia County, PA? From the 1840 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, PA: Robins, John 0000000001-001000001 John 1020001-011201 Thomas 10101-0001 From the 1850 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, PA: Robins, John 80 NJ Mary 78 NJ Robbins, John 50 PA Mary 52 PA Robbins, Thomas 33 OH Elenor 37 NY I didn’t include the children. Garry From: genilady@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 2:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Greetings Fellow Robbins Researchers! I am new to this group. My 3rd GGF, John Robbins, has been a brick wall for me for years. I know from the 1880 US Census for Plain Twp, Franklin Co, OH, that his parents were both born in New Jersey. After reading The H offman/Taylor book Robins, Robbins of New Jersey (especially p. 42) I am wondering if my John could be the son of Thomas or Jonathan Robins and grandson of William Robins. My John was born in Northumberland Co (now Columbia Co), PA, about 1800. According to 1850, 1860 federal census reports, John's wife was Mary from Pennsylvania. According to 1870 federal census report, John's wife was Catherine from Ohio John's children (mothers unclear) and birth years: Charity Ann Robbins 1826 James Daniel Ro bbins (2nd GGF) 1829 Anna Robbins 1831 Margaret Robbins 1832 David D. Robbins 1834 Wesley Robbins 1842 Daniel Robbins 1844 Milligan Robbins 18445 Lewis Robbins 1847 Harriet Robbins 1854 The last 4 children were born in New Albany, Franklin, OH. The rest were born in Columbia Co, PA. Any other descendants of my John Robbins/Robins in this group? Cindy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1771 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-27 09:19:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Message: The article below supports Mathias being a son of Thomas Robbins born, 1762. The information on Thomas’ birth in interesting, I wonder how that got started. From the Portrait and Biographical Record of Winnebago and Boone Counties, Illinois, pg 320: THOMAS ROBBINS, who is engaged in mixed farming at his pleasant home on section 20, LeRoy Township, Boone County, keeps almost twenty-five dairy cows on his place marketing the product at a creamery a short distance fro m his home. He was born in Franklin County, Ohio, in 1833, and is a son of Mathias Robbins, who had his birth July 27, 1796, in Columbia County, Pa. The grandfather of our subject, Thomas Robbins, was a farmer in Engl and and , on emigrating to America came in an early day to Pennsylvania. He came to the New World in company with six brothers, who made their home in as many different states. The wife of Grandfather Robbins, previou s to her marriage, was Elizabeth Cline, of German birth. To them were born a family of six sons and two daughters, only one of who is living. Mathias Robbins was married in the Keystone State to Sarah Couder and went to Franklin County, Ohio, in 1820 with his wife and three children. He was a tailor by trade, which line of business he followed for fourt een years in Wood County, and in the fall of 1848 came to Illinois, being accompanied by his family of seven children .... ... When the family of Mathias Robbins removed from Pennsylvania to Ohio in 1820, they made the journey with a team of horses and later, in 1848, came to the Prairie State in the same manner, making over a thousand miles' journeying in this trip. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:22 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-02001 At first I thought the older John must be the father of the younger John. Now, we have Mathias in the mix. It appears that Mathias is the son of Thomas Robbins born 1762. The older John could be the brother of Thomas. Thomas did have a brother John, who was living in Columbia County, PA, in 1814. I’ve seen information that John died in March 1850 in Columbia, but I disagree with this, I believe it to be a different John Robbins, from the “Sincy” Robbins. Now, did the older John have sons, John, Mathias, and Thomas, or only one or two. Thomas was born in 1817, which means he was the son of John Sr., according to the 1830 census. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:08 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 What record do you have that suggests your John Robbins was born in Columbia County, PA? From the 1840 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, PA: Robins, John 0000000001-001000001 John 1020001-011201 Thomas 10101-0001 From the 1850 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, PA: Robins, John 80 NJ Mary 78 NJ Robbins, John 50 PA Mary 52 PA Robbins, Thomas 33 OH Elenor 37 NY I didn’t include the children. Garry From: genilady@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 2:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Greetings Fellow Robbins Researchers! I am new to this group. My 3rd GGF, John Robbins, has been a brick wall for me for years. I know from the 1880 US Census for Plain Twp, Franklin Co, OH, that his parents were both born in New Jersey. After reading The H offman/Taylor book Robins, Robbins of New Jersey (especially p. 42) I am wondering if my John could be the son of Thomas or Jonathan Robins and grandson of William Robins. My John was born in Northumberland Co (now Columbia Co), PA, about 1800. According to 1850, 1860 federal census reports, John's wife was Mary from Pennsylvania. According to 1870 federal census report, John's wife was Catherine from Ohio John's children (mothers unclear) and birth years: Charity Ann Robbins 1826 James Daniel Ro bbins (2nd GGF) 1829 Anna Robbins 1831 Margaret Robbins 1832 David D. Robbins 1834 Wesley Robbins 1842 Daniel Robbins 1844 Milligan Robbins 18445 Lewis Robbins 1847 Harriet Robbins 1854 The last 4 children were born in New Albany, Franklin, OH. The rest were born in Columbia Co, PA. Any other descendants of my John Robbins/Robins in this group? Cindy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1772 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-28 03:14:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sussex County Deeds Message: Who is John Robbins who lived in Hardwick Twp, Warren/Sussex County, NJ, prior to 1798? Who is John Robbins Jr. who lived in Independence Twp, Warren/Sussex County, NJ, in 1813? Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 9:05 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sussex County Deeds The following are abstracts of some Sussex County, NJ deeds involving ROBINS. I don't know if Tracey created these abstracts or someone else (I know, I should keep track of such things). I know there are members here researching ROBINS in Warren & Sussex Counties. I have all the deeds if anyone wants a copy. file - JohnRobbins.jpg dated - 14 Mar 1798 grantor - John ROBBINS & (wife) Rachel of Hardwick Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Matthias CONKLE of Hardwick Twp amount - 140 pounds lot - 78 acres situate in Hardwick Twp bordering - Martin SWARTSWELLER Adam CONKLE Martin SWILDER, dec'd previous owners - Daniel VAUGHAN Isaac REED 4 Sep 1796 witnessed - 14 May 1802 witnesses - Daniel VAUGHAN Gersham BARTOW judge - John ARMSTRONG recorded - 19 May 1802 file - DanielRobins.jpg dated - 2 Feb 1804 grantor - Daniel ROBINS of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ amount - $100 lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnesses - John ARMSTRONG Jacob ARMSTRONG notes - Daniel ROBINS is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate file - JohnRobins.jpg dated - 16 Apr 1813 grantor - Joseph DEMUND & (wife) Martha of Independence Twp, Sussex CO, NJ grantee - John ROBINS Jr of Independence Twp lot - 2 6/10 acres situate in Independence Twp witnessed - 26 Apr 1813 witnesses - Johnson DEMUND David HEATH Jr judge - Montgomery READING recorded - 27 (29 ?) May 1813 file - JonathanRobbins.jpg dated - 8 May 1813 grantor - Christian SHARPS, dec'd & (wife) Elizabeth of Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp lot - 150 acres (2 parcels) situate in Greenwich Twp amount - $2933 previous owner - Christopher FALKENBERGER of Greenwich Twp 9 Nov 1752 bordering - Jacob HULSHEIZER Peter CREVELING Joseph B HUGHES witnessed - 8 May 1813 witnesses - James MELICH Thomas STEWART recorded - 17 Aug 1813 notes - it is mentioned that Christian SHARPS usually wrote his surname as SHARPENSTIEN Christian SHARPS' will dated 27 Sep 1793 land bequeathed to "grand nephew Christian SHARPENSTIEN, son of my nephew John SHARPENSTIEN" file - JonathanRobbins-2.jpg grantor - Ebenezer BEERS & (wife) Jocelyn of Oxford Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $20 witnessed - 9 May 1814 witness - Thomas STEWART recorded - 24 May 1814 file - JohnGRobbins.jpg dated - 2 May 1815 grantor - Jacob PETTY & (wife) Effie of Mansfield Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Hohn G ROBBINS & Edward YEOMANS, both of Mansfield Twp lot - 15 acres situate in Mansfield Twp amount - $215 bordering - John ANDERSON previous owner - Benjamin COLEMAN witnessed - 10 May 1815 witnesses - John PETTY Phil JOHNSTON judge - Henry HANKINSON recorded - 23 May 1815 file - IsaacRobins.jpg dated - 19 Jun 1815 grantor - Jacob VAUGHAN of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnessed - 31 Jan 1816 witnesses - Ira SHERER Isaav READ judge - John ARMSTRONG notes - Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as the son-in-law of Daniel ROBINS, dec'd wife of Jacob VAUGHAN - Abigail recorded - 26 Jun 1824 file - JonathanRobins.jpg grantor - John PHILLIPS & (wife) Hannah of Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $32.50 previous owners - John BUTLER & (wife) Margaret 1812 witnessed - 20 May 1814 judge - Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 20 & 24 May 1814 notes - Hannah noted as daughter of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-7.jpg grantor - Amos BEERS & (wife) Mary of Phillipsburgh, Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $33 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 31 Dec 1814 witnesses - Philip REESE Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Amos noted as son of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-6.jpg grantor - Charles BEERS & (wife) Margaret of Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $35 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 9 Jan 1815 witnesses - Philip REESE Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Charles noted as son of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-4.jpg grantor - Conrad SAX & (wife) Mary of Lehigh Twp, Luzerne Co, PA grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $20 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 4 Feb 1815 witnesses - Philip REESE Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Mary noted as daughter of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-5.jpg grantor - William BEERS & (wife) Sarah of Phillipsburgh, Greenwich Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp amount - $45 lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp witnessed - 22 Feb 1815 witnesses - Thomas BEERS Thomas BULLMAN recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - William noted as son of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - JonathanRobbins-3.jpg grantor - Jacob PHILIPS & (wife) Elizabeth of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ grantee - Jonathan ROBBINS of Greenwich Twp lot - 10 acres situate in Greenwich Twp bordering - Jacob HULSHISER witnessed - 22 Aug 1815 witnesses - Samuel COLEMAN Thomas STEWART recorded - 28 Nov 1815 notes - Elizabeth noted as daughter of Thomas BEERS of Greenwich Twp, dec'd file - DanielRobbins.jpg dated - 1 Apr 1816 grantor - James BROWN of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ (a blacksmith) grantee - Daniel ROBBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ (a blacksmith) amount - $400 lot - 86 4/10 perches situate in Knowlton Twp bordering - John MATTHEWS Jonathan HILE previous owners - Nicholas E BROWN & (wife) Elizabeth 2 Sep 1809 Partharena (?) PARSINGER 14 Dec 1812 witnesses - Barnabus SWAYZE John FERGUSON recorded - 29 May 1816 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1773 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-28 05:09:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Message: I have John Robbins born about 1794, son of Thomas, married 1818 Columbia County, Mary Keeler born 1794. This does not match with John Jr. of Franklin County, Ohio. - does anyone have information on John Robbins who married Mary Keeler? - From the 1820 census for Sugarloaf Twp, Columbia County, PA: Robins, John 200100-00010 This could be the John Robbins who married Mary Keeler with 2 children. Daniel Robbins, born about 1771, brother of Thomas, lived in Sugarloaf Township. John, above, could be Daniel’s son. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 12:19 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 The article below supports Mathias being a son of Thomas Robbins born, 1762. The information on Thomas’ birth in interesting, I wonder how that got started. From the Portrait and Biographical Record of Winnebago and Boone Counties, Illinois, pg 320: THOMAS ROBBINS, who is engaged in mixed farming at his pleasant home on section 20, LeRoy Township, Boone County, keeps almost twenty-five dairy cows on his place marketing the product at a creamery a short distance fro m his home. He was born in Franklin County, Ohio, in 1833, and is a son of Mathias Robbins, who had his birth July 27, 1796, in Columbia County, Pa. The grandfather of our subject, Thomas Robbins, was a farmer in Engl and and , on emigrating to America came in an early day to Pennsylvania. He came to the New World in company with six brothers, who made their home in as many different states. The wife of Grandfather Robbins, previou s to her marriage, was Elizabeth Cline, of German birth. To them were born a family of six sons and two daughters, only one of who is living. Mathias Robbins was married in the Keystone State to Sarah Couder and went to Franklin County, Ohio, in 1820 with his wife and three children. He was a tailor by trade, which line of business he followed for fourt een years in Wood County, and in the fall of 1848 came to Illinois, being accompanied by his family of seven children .... ... When the family of Mathias Robbins removed from Pennsylvania to Ohio in 1820, they made the journey with a team of horses and later, in 1848, came to the Prairie State in the same manner, making over a thousand miles' journeying in this trip. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:22 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-02001 At first I thought the older John must be the father of the younger John. Now, we have Mathias in the mix. It appears that Mathias is the son of Thomas Robbins born 1762. The older John could be the brother of Thomas. Thomas did have a brother John, who was living in Columbia County, PA, in 1814. I’ve seen information that John died in March 1850 in Columbia, but I disagree with this, I believe it to be a different John Robbins, from the “Sincy” Robbins. Now, did the older John have sons, John, Mathias, and Thomas, or only one or two. Thomas was born in 1817, which means he was the son of John Sr., according to the 1830 census. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:08 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 What record do you have that suggests your John Robbins was born in Columbia County, PA? From the 1840 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, PA: Robins, John 0000000001-001000001 John 1020001-011201 Thomas 10101-0001 From the 1850 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, PA: Robins, John 80 NJ Mary 78 NJ Robbins, John 50 PA Mary 52 PA Robbins, Thomas 33 OH Elenor 37 NY I didn’t include the children. Garry From: genilady@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 2:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Greetings Fellow Robbins Researchers! I am new to this group. My 3rd GGF, John Robbins, has been a brick wall for me for years. I know from the 1880 US Census for Plain Twp, Franklin Co, OH, that his parents were both born in New Jersey. After reading The H offman/Taylor book Robins, Robbins of New Jersey (especially p. 42) I am wondering if my John could be the son of Thomas or Jonathan Robins and grandson of William Robins. My John was born in Northumberland Co (now Columbia Co), PA, about 1800. According to 1850, 1860 federal census reports, John's wife was Mary from Pennsylvania. According to 1870 federal census report, John's wife was Catherine from Ohio John's children (mothers unclear) and birth years: Charity Ann Robbins 1826 James Daniel Ro bbins (2nd GGF) 1829 Anna Robbins 1831 Margaret Robbins 1832 David D. Robbins 1834 Wesley Robbins 1842 Daniel Robbins 1844 Milligan Robbins 18445 Lewis Robbins 1847 Harriet Robbins 1854 The last 4 children were born in New Albany, Franklin, OH. The rest were born in Columbia Co, PA. Any other descendants of my John Robbins/Robins in this group? Cindy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1774 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-29 04:36:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Message: This is an unusual situation. I’ve been researching in response to an earlier query and now I’m not getting any feedback. In case anyone is interested, I’m resolving my files this way: - ancestry.com family files have the typical errors, too many John Robbins. - the children of Thomas Robbins are listed in the Historical and Biographical Annals of Columbia and Montour Counties Pennsylvania. they appear to be listed in order of birth, with John between Mathias and Issac, Mathias was born 1796 and Isaac was born about 1805. - it seems reasonable therefore that John was born about 1800, which matches the age of John of Plain Twp, Franklin County, Ohio. - John Robbins who married in 1818 Mary Keeler who was born in 1794 may be a son of Thomas’ brother, Daniel. In the 1820 census, Daniel and John Robbins are listed in Sugarloaf Twp, Columbia County, PA. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:09 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 I have John Robbins born about 1794, son of Thomas, married 1818 Columbia County, Mary Keeler born 1794. This does not match with John Jr. of Franklin County, Ohio. - does anyone have information on John Robbins who married Mary Keeler? - From the 1820 census for Sugarloaf Twp, Columbia County, PA: Robins, John 200100-00010 This could be the John Robbins who married Mary Keeler with 2 children. Daniel Robbins, born about 1771, brother of Thomas, lived in Sugarloaf Township. John, above, could be Daniel’s son. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 12:19 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 The article below supports Mathias being a son of Thomas Robbins born, 1762. The information on Thomas’ birth in interesting, I wonder how that got started. From the Portrait and Biographical Record of Winnebago and Boone Counties, Illinois, pg 320: THOMAS ROBBINS, who is engaged in mixed farming at his pleasant home on section 20, LeRoy Township, Boone County, keeps almost twenty-five dairy cows on his place marketing the product at a creamery a short distance fro m his home. He was born in Franklin County, Ohio, in 1833, and is a son of Mathias Robbins, who had his birth July 27, 1796, in Columbia County, Pa. The grandfather of our subject, Thomas Robbins, was a farmer in Engl and and , on emigrating to America came in an early day to Pennsylvania. He came to the New World in company with six brothers, who made their home in as many different states. The wife of Grandfather Robbins, previou s to her marriage, was Elizabeth Cline, of German birth. To them were born a family of six sons and two daughters, only one of who is living. Mathias Robbins was married in the Keystone State to Sarah Couder and went to Franklin County, Ohio, in 1820 with his wife and three children. He was a tailor by trade, which line of business he followed for fourt een years in Wood County, and in the fall of 1848 came to Illinois, being accompanied by his family of seven children .... ... When the family of Mathias Robbins removed from Pennsylvania to Ohio in 1820, they made the journey with a team of horses and later, in 1848, came to the Prairie State in the same manner, making over a thousand miles' journeying in this trip. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:22 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-02001 At first I thought the older John must be the father of the younger John. Now, we have Mathias in the mix. It appears that Mathias is the son of Thomas Robbins born 1762. The older John could be the brother of Thomas. Thomas did have a brother John, who was living in Columbia County, PA, in 1814. I’ve seen information that John died in March 1850 in Columbia, but I disagree with this, I believe it to be a different John Robbins, from the “Sincy” Robbins. Now, did the older John have sons, John, Mathias, and Thomas, or only one or two. Thomas was born in 1817, which means he was the son of John Sr., according to the 1830 census. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:08 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 What record do you have that suggests your John Robbins was born in Columbia County, PA? From the 1840 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, PA: Robins, John 0000000001-001000001 John 1020001-011201 Thomas 10101-0001 From the 1850 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, PA: Robins, John 80 NJ Mary 78 NJ Robbins, John 50 PA Mary 52 PA Robbins, Thomas 33 OH Elenor 37 NY I didn’t include the children. Garry From: genilady@...m [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 2:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Greetings Fellow Robbins Researchers! I am new to this group. My 3rd GGF, John Robbins, has been a brick wall for me for years. I know from the 1880 US Census for Plain Twp, Franklin Co, OH, that his parents were both born in New Jersey. After reading The H offman/Taylor book Robins, Robbins of New Jersey (especially p. 42) I am wondering if my John could be the son of Thomas or Jonathan Robins and grandson of William Robins. My John was born in Northumberland Co (now Columbia Co), PA, about 1800. According to 1850, 1860 federal census reports, John's wife was Mary from Pennsylvania. According to 1870 federal census report, John's wife was Catherine from Ohio John's children (mothers unclear) and birth years: Charity Ann Robbins 1826 James Daniel Ro bbins (2nd GGF) 1829 Anna Robbins 1831 Margaret Robbins 1832 David D. Robbins 1834 Wesley Robbins 1842 Daniel Robbins 1844 Milligan Robbins 18445 Lewis Robbins 1847 Harriet Robbins 1854 The last 4 children were born in New Albany, Franklin, OH. The rest were born in Columbia Co, PA. Any other descendants of my John Robbins/Robins in this group? Cindy ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1775 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-09-29 19:23:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Message: I spent some time looking through my files in order to respond to your queries and didn't come up with anything. I would have responded if I had found anything to help. > This is an unusual situation. I’ve been researching in response to an > earlier query and now I’m not getting any feedback. > > In case anyone is interested, I’m resolving my files this way: > - ancestry.com family files have the typical errors, too many John Robbins. > - the children of Thomas Robbins are listed in the Historical and Biographical Annals of Columbia and Montour Counties Pennsylvania. > they appear to be listed in order of birth, with John between Mathias and Issac, Mathias was born 1796 and Isaac was born about 1805. > - it seems reasonable therefore that John was born about 1800, which matches the age of John of Plain Twp, Franklin County, Ohio. > - John Robbins who married in 1818 Mary Keeler who was born in 1794 may be a son of Thomas’ brother, Daniel. > In the 1820 census, Daniel and John Robbins are listed in Sugarloaf Twp, Columbia County, PA. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1776 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-09-30 03:05:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 Message: Thanks Marshall. As you know William Robins (died 1811) had 4 sons who lived in Columbia County, PA, Thomas, Jonathan, Daniel, and John and 3 daughters who lived in Columbia County, PA, Charity, Diana, and Rebecca. There must be many d escendants. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:23 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, Columbia Co, PA, born c.1800 I spent some time looking through my files in order to respond to your queries and didn't come up with anything. I would have responded if I had found anything to help. > This is an unusual situation. I’ve been researching in response to an > earlier query and now I’m not getting any feedback. > > In case anyone is interested, I’m resolving my files this way: > - ancestry.com family files have the typical errors, too many John Robbins. > - the children of Thomas Robbins are listed in the Historical and Biographical Annals of Columbia and Montour Counties Pennsylvania. > they appear to be listed in order of birth, with John between Mathias and Issac, Mathias was born 1796 and Isaac was born about 1805. > - it seems reasonable therefore that John was born about 1800, which matches the age of John of Plain Twp, Franklin County, Ohio. > - John Robbins who married in 1818 Mary Keeler who was born in 1794 may be a son of Thomas’ brother, Daniel. > In the 1820 census, Daniel and John Robbins are listed in Sugarloaf Twp, Columbia County, PA. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1777 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-06 18:54:17 Subject:Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: There is a mention of Isaac ROBINS in the 13 Feb 1847 issue of The Columbia Democrat, Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania. It could be a death notice or something else to provide a clue. I do not have a subscription to newspapers.com. Does someone here have a subscription and could pull up the pertinent article for sharing? Much appreciated. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1778 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-10-06 19:26:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Hi Marshall, Just looked it up. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 6, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > There is a mention of Isaac ROBINS in the 13 Feb 1847 issue of The Columbia > Democrat, Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania. It could be a death notice or > something else to provide a clue. > > I do not have a subscription to newspapers.com. > > Does someone here have a subscription and could pull up the pertinent > article for sharing? > > Much appreciated. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1779 Sender:Richard Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-10-06 19:40:57 Subject:Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1780 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-07 02:34:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: I believe this is Isaac Robbins born 1805, son of Thomas H. Robbins. From the 1840 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia County, PA: Robbins, Isaac 210001-001001 Note: Isaac and his wife are 30 – 39 years old. I can’t find Isaac in the 1850 census. By 1860, he and his family were living in Crawford Twp, Clinton County, PA. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 9:54 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA There is a mention of Isaac ROBINS in the 13 Feb 1847 issue of The Columbia Democrat, Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania. It could be a death notice or something else to provide a clue. I do not have a subscription to newspapers.com. Does someone here have a subscription and could pull up the pertinent article for sharing? Much appreciated. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1781 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-07 03:20:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] Message: The 1843 article is interesting. It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. Garry From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1782 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-08 08:22:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Thanks, Cynthia. > Hi Marshall, > Just looked it up. > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 6, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> There is a mention of Isaac ROBINS in the 13 Feb 1847 issue of The Columbia >> Democrat, Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania. It could be a death notice or >> something else to provide a clue. >> >> I do not have a subscription to newspapers.com. >> >> Does someone here have a subscription and could pull up the pertinent >> article for sharing? >> >> Much appreciated. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1783 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-08 08:26:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1784 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-08 09:58:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1785 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-08 10:27:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1786 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-08 19:16:51 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Garry, The Rev War Pension Record for Isaac Robins 1758 states he had a son but the son’s name isn’t recorded. How do you connect John Robins as the son of Isaac Robins other than both living in Knowlton, Warren Co., NJ in 183 0? I have no names for any children of Isaac Robins. Thanks for any help on naming Isaac’s children. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1787 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-08 21:32:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: This is great, Garry! I sure would like to see the 1845 statement Isaac made. To answer your question in another message .... I do not know if Isaac (b 1758) had a son named Isaac. I was wondering if it might be possible. I knew that Isaac (b 1758) had a son, but I didn't know the son's name. > Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. > > From Revolutionary War Pension Records: > Application For A Transfer > County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 > ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to > Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived > with and wishing to live with him as the reason. > > Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in > 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in > with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. > > John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an > older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with > another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is > living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has > lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1788 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-09 02:26:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Sara, I don’t have a record that says John was a son of Isaac, but: - I’ve researched the Robbins of Columbia County and adjoining southern Lycoming County and know of no other Robbins who moved from Warren County, NJ, between 1830 – 1835, the interval is actually larger. - John’s first son was named Isaac born 30 June, 1831, in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, The Rev War Pension Record for Isaac Robins 1758 states he had a son but the son’s name isn’t recorded. How do you connect John Robins as the son of Isaac Robins other than both living in Knowlton, Warren Co., NJ in 183 0? I have no names for any children of Isaac Robins. Thanks for any help on naming Isaac’s children. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1789 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-09 02:51:06 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Marshall, I think someone sent this to me: From: Selected Final Pension Payment Vouchers 1818-1864: Pennsylvania, Vol. 1, pg. 476 Robins, Isaac Columbia Co. 22 Sept 1845 former private Isaac Robins, his X mark, of Greenwood township 10 years and previous thereto NJ Witness George Masters, JP Johnson, H. Ikeler Philadelphia, 8 October 1845, John B. Stevenson collected $36.43 Isaac received his last pension payment in NJ in March 1836. He most likely moved to Columbia County in 1836. The pension payments were made in March and September. Isaac received his last payment in September 1845. He probably died before March 1846. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:32 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA This is great, Garry! I sure would like to see the 1845 statement Isaac made. To answer your question in another message .... I do not know if Isaac (b 1758) had a son named Isaac. I was wondering if it might be possible. I knew that Isaac (b 1758) had a son, but I didn't know the son's name. > Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. > > From Revolutionary War Pension Records: > Application For A Transfer > County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 > ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to > Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived > with and wishing to live with him as the reason. > > Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in > 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in > with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. > > John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an > older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with > another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is > living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has > lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1790 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-09 08:36:44 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Garry, Your theory on John Robins being the son of Isaac Robins b. 1758 is a reasonable one. Thank you for your research. Thought I’d mention the John Robins who was b. 1774 in Hunterdon Co., NJ, lived in Columbia Co., PA & died there on 3-27-1850. This John Robins was the son of William & Mary Robins & husband of Mary “Polly” Woodward. He is buried at Greenwood M.E. Cemetery, Millville, Columbia Co., PA. The 1820 census for Greenwood, Columbia Co., PA lists John Robins, Joseph Robins & Joshua Robins. Source: Genealogy of the William Robins Family by Fe rn Robbins Hill a descendant of the William Robins family. Mrs. Hill’s research was extracted from the Columbia County Historical Society Robbins Family File. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:26 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Sara, I don’t have a record that says John was a son of Isaac, but: - I’ve researched the Robbins of Columbia County and adjoining southern Lycoming County and know of no other Robbins who moved from Warren County, NJ, between 1830 – 1835, the interval is actually larger. - John’s first son was named Isaac born 30 June, 1831, in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, The Rev War Pension Record for Isaac Robins 1758 states he had a son but the son’s name isn’t recorded. How do you connect John Robins as the son of Isaac Robins other than both living in Knowlton, Warren Co., NJ in 183 0? I have no names for any children of Isaac Robins. Thanks for any help on naming Isaac’s children. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1791 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-09 09:38:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: There is a John J Robbins married to Permilla Maine who was born in Knowlton NJ. His daughter JANE Elizabeth in Mill ? Columbia Cty Married William Vincent Robbins son of Joseph D Robbins from my clan, Joshua Robbins, son of perhaps Sincy. One of their children is Isaac. I am not home so don't have my paperwork, so won't completely swear. There is a William J who I think was from Nordmount, Sullivan Cty, Davidson Twp have the rest at home Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, October 9, 2017, 10:36 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Garry, Your theory on John Robins being the son of Isaac Robins b. 1758 is a reasonable one. Thank you for your research. Thought I’d mention the John Robins who was b. 1774 in Hunterdon Co., NJ, lived in Columbia Co., PA & died there on 3-27-1850. This John Robins was the son of William & Mary Robins & husband of Mary “Polly” Woodward. He is buried at Greenwood M.E. Cemetery, Millville, Columbia Co., PA. The 1820 census for Greenwood, Columbia Co., PA lists John Robins, Joseph Robins & Joshua Robins. Source: Genealogy of the William Robins Family by Fe rn Robbins Hill a descendant of the William Robins family. Mrs. Hill’s research was extracted from the Columbia County Historical Society Robbins Family File. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:26 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Sara, I don’t have a record that says John was a son of Isaac, but: - I’ve researched the Robbins of Columbia County and adjoining southern Lycoming County and know of no other Robbins who moved from Warren County, NJ, between 1830 – 1835, the interval is actually larger. - John’s first son was named Isaac born 30 June, 1831, in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, The Rev War Pension Record for Isaac Robins 1758 states he had a son but the son’s name isn’t recorded. How do you connect John Robins as the son of Isaac Robins other than both living in Knowlton, Warren Co., NJ in 183 0? I have no names for any children of Isaac Robins. Thanks for any help on naming Isaac’s children. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... 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09:45:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Sara, I believe there to be an error here. John Robbins was a son of William Robbins, but this William lived in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. From the Cemeteries of Columbia County, Volume 2: Greenwood Methodist Cemetery Robbins, John H/o Polly 29(7) Mar. 1850 69-3-0 Polly H/o John 14(22) Feb 1850 63-6-11 From the History of Columbia & Montour Counties, Pennsylvania, Battle, pg. 240: Methodism also found adherents among the early settlers of Greenwood valley. The first service was held in 1809 in Thomas Eve's mill. A class of eleven members was formed, among whom were William, Lydia, John and Mary Robbins, Elizabeth Richie, Mary Richie and Jacob Evans, who was appointed leader. For sixteen years they held meetings in William Robbin's barn. A house of worship was built in 1825, and after thirty-five years of use was abandoned as unsafe. Note: John was born in 1780. I believe he was born too late to be possible son of William and Mary of Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. I think I’ve found John Robbins, son of William and Mary of Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:36 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, Your theory on John Robins being the son of Isaac Robins b. 1758 is a reasonable one. Thank you for your research. Thought I’d mention the John Robins who was b. 1774 in Hunterdon Co., NJ, lived in Columbia Co., PA & died there on 3-27-1850. This John Robins was the son of William & Mary Robins & husband of Mary “Polly” Woodward. He is buried at Greenwood M.E. Cemetery, Millville, Columbia Co., PA. The 1820 census for Greenwood, Columbia Co., PA lists John Robins, Joseph Robins & Joshua Robins. Source: Genealogy of the William Robins Family by Fe rn Robbins Hill a descendant of the William Robins family. Mrs. Hill’s research was extracted from the Columbia County Historical Society Robbins Family File. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:26 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Sara, I don’t have a record that says John was a son of Isaac, but: - I’ve researched the Robbins of Columbia County and adjoining southern Lycoming County and know of no other Robbins who moved from Warren County, NJ, between 1830 – 1835, the interval is actually larger. - John’s first son was named Isaac born 30 June, 1831, in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, The Rev War Pension Record for Isaac Robins 1758 states he had a son but the son’s name isn’t recorded. How do you connect John Robins as the son of Isaac Robins other than both living in Knowlton, Warren Co., NJ in 183 0? I have no names for any children of Isaac Robins. Thanks for any help on naming Isaac’s children. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1793 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-10-09 10:26:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Hi, I have been following the Pa research with interest. As many of you know I have a dead end. According to Wi census I have a gt gt uncle, James Robbins, born in Pa in 1831, my gt gt grandfather, Edward's brother. Our Dodge co records burned . Their parents could be Peter and Abigail Robbins, according to their sisters wedding certificate . But when they appeared on Wi census records Abigail was married to a Mason Grover. Som ething must have happened to Peter Robbins between 1837 & 1840. Thank you for reading this and in the Pa research if you find Peter Robbins, please let me know. Shirley Robbins Hawley Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1794 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-09 10:43:13 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Garry, You source Cemeteries of Columbia County, PA, Volume 2 for the birth date of John Robbins who died in 1850 is a good one. The gravestone of John Robbins is so worn it barely shows his death date, his age at death isn’t readable. Find A Grave has John Robbins born in 1766 died at age 84 & The US Federal Mortality Schedule has his birth date 1774, died at age 76. Not all of these can be right. The cemetery appears to be the most accurat e. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 9:46 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Sara, I believe there to be an error here. John Robbins was a son of William Robbins, but this William lived in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. From the Cemeteries of Columbia County, Volume 2: Greenwood Methodist Cemetery Robbins, John H/o Polly 29(7) Mar. 1850 69-3-0 Polly H/o John 14(22) Feb 1850 63-6-11 From the History of Columbia & Montour Counties, Pennsylvania, Battle, pg. 240: Methodism also found adherents among the early settlers of Greenwood valley. The first service was held in 1809 in Thomas Eve's mill. A class of eleven members was formed, among whom were William, Lydia, John and Mary Robbins, Elizabeth Richie, Mary Richie and Jacob Evans, who was appointed leader. For sixteen years they held meetings in William Robbin's barn. A house of worship was built in 1825, and after thirty-five years of use was abandoned as unsafe. Note: John was born in 1780. I believe he was born too late to be possible son of William and Mary of Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. I think I’ve found John Robbins, son of William and Mary of Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 11:36 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, Your theory on John Robins being the son of Isaac Robins b. 1758 is a reasonable one. Thank you for your research. Thought I’d mention the John Robins who was b. 1774 in Hunterdon Co., NJ, lived in Columbia Co., PA & died there on 3-27-1850. This John Robins was the son of William & Mary Robins & husband of Mary “Polly” Woodward. He is buried at Greenwood M.E. Cemetery, Millville, Columbia Co., PA. The 1820 census for Greenwood, Columbia Co., PA lists John Robins, Joseph Robins & Joshua Robins. Source: Genealogy of the William Robins Family by Fe rn Robbins Hill a descendant of the William Robins family. Mrs. Hill’s research was extracted from the Columbia County Historical Society Robbins Family File. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:26 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Sara, I don’t have a record that says John was a son of Isaac, but: - I’ve researched the Robbins of Columbia County and adjoining southern Lycoming County and know of no other Robbins who moved from Warren County, NJ, between 1830 – 1835, the interval is actually larger. - John’s first son was named Isaac born 30 June, 1831, in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, The Rev War Pension Record for Isaac Robins 1758 states he had a son but the son’s name isn’t recorded. How do you connect John Robins as the son of Isaac Robins other than both living in Knowlton, Warren Co., NJ in 183 0? I have no names for any children of Isaac Robins. Thanks for any help on naming Isaac’s children. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1795 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-09 16:02:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Sometimes it is hard to go back and pick up who exac tly is being researched because there are so many with the same name. My John J Robbins was born in Knowlton, Sussex Cty, NJ in 1798 to Thomas H Robbins born in Hunterdon, whose dad was William born in England. This John also has a son Isaac who was born in Knowlton in 1831. He has a lot of children. The next born in Talmer, Pine Twp., Columbia Cty. PA in 1833 along with 10 more with colorful names.Barbara, Abraham, Elizabeth Jane who married William V Robbins in 1857, Lydia, Andrew Jackson, George Washington, John Wesley, Lafayette, Elijah Franklin, Daniel Fleet, Martha J. He is listed as retired farmer in 1880. John J and wife Sophia Permilla are buried at Wesley Chapel Cemetery, Talmer, Pine Township, Columbia PA. Sophia died in 1890, John J in1893. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Monday, October 9, 2017, 11:42 AM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: There is a John J Robbins married to Permilla Maine who was born in Knowlton NJ. His daughter JANE Elizabeth in Mill ? Columbia Cty Married William Vincent Robbins son of Joseph D Robbins from my clan, Joshua Robbins, son of perhaps Sincy. One of their children is Isaac. I am not home so don't have my paperwork, so won't completely swear. There is a William J who I think was from Nordmount, Sullivan Cty, Davidson Twp have the rest at home Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, October 9, 2017, 10:36 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Garry, Your theory on John Robins being the son of Isaac Robins b. 1758 is a reasonable one. Thank you for your research. Thought I’d mention the John Robins who was b. 1774 in Hunterdon Co., NJ, lived in Columbia Co., PA & died there on 3-27-1850. This John Robins was the son of William & Mary Robins & husband of Mary “Polly” Woodward. He is buried at Greenwood M.E. Cemetery, Millville, Columbia Co., PA. The 1820 census for Greenwood, Columbia Co., PA lists John Robins, Joseph Robins & Joshua Robins. Source: Genealogy of the William Robins Family by Fe rn Robbins Hill a descendant of the William Robins family. Mrs. Hill’s research was extracted from the Columbia County Historical Society Robbins Family File. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 2:26 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Sara, I don’t have a record that says John was a son of Isaac, but: - I’ve researched the Robbins of Columbia County and adjoining southern Lycoming County and know of no other Robbins who moved from Warren County, NJ, between 1830 – 1835, the interval is actually larger. - John’s first son was named Isaac born 30 June, 1831, in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, The Rev War Pension Record for Isaac Robins 1758 states he had a son but the son’s name isn’t recorded. How do you connect John Robins as the son of Isaac Robins other than both living in Knowlton, Warren Co., NJ in 183 0? I have no names for any children of Isaac Robins. Thanks for any help on naming Isaac’s children. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@...t [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... 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04:42:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Shirley, I had a quick look for your ancestors: - James, Edward, and Caroline Robbins may have been born in New York. - the 1850 census gives their birth state as New York. - the 1900 census, gives James’ birth date as Dec 1830 New York and his parents as New York. - Mason Grover’s 1st wife died in Sept. 1841. - Abigail was born about 1800 in New York. Garry From: Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 1:26 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi, I have been following the Pa research with interest. As many of you know I have a dead end. According to Wi census I have a gt gt uncle, James Robbins, born in Pa in 1831, my gt gt grandfather, Edward's brother. Our Dodge co records burned . Their parents could be Peter and Abigail Robbins, according to their sisters wedding certificate . But when they appeared on Wi census records Abigail was married to a Mason Grover. Something must have happened to Peter Robbins between 1837 & 1840. Thank you for reading this and in the Pa research if you find Peter Robbins, please let me know. Shirley Robbins Hawley Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1797 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 06:58:37 Subject:John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@att.net on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1798 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 07:28:56 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@... on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1799 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 08:59:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@att.net on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1804 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 12:52:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Sara, Concerning your request for children of Isaac, I don’t have proof, but this is my list: - Ann born 16 March, 1783 m. William Ferguson 1803 Warren County, NJ. Ann was suggested by another person. Her 2nd daughter was named Bathsheba ‘Basheba’, Isaac’s wife’s name. - Richard born 28 Apr, 1786 m. Mary Freeman 1814 Warren County, NJ. 1st son named Isaac. - Stephen born abt 1797. - John Jersey born 25 Feb, 1798. (from cemetery record, census suggests 1799 or 1800) Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, The Rev War Pension Record for Isaac Robins 1758 states he had a son but the son’s name isn’t recorded. How do you connect John Robins as the son of Isaac Robins other than both living in Knowlton, Warren Co., NJ in 183 0? I have no names for any children of Isaac Robins. Thanks for any help on naming Isaac’s children. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1805 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 12:57:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: James C Robbins and Peter Robbins Message: Thank you so much. James Robbins was a attendant at his sister Caroline's wedding in Waupun, Wl. Nov 1853 . He married Aurilla Fairbanks 12/25/1854 Waupun, Wi died 7/23/1907. The Dodge co records burned 1877. Born 12/ 13/31 PA? Brother, Edward, born 1836 NY. 1870 census Edward 34 NY, wife Vestalina,30 , Marietta 11, John 10 mos, Grover, Abigail 68 NY. Thank you again I am looking through my records to give you all l have. I have b een unable to get beyond Wi. More to follow. Sincerely, Shirley Sent from my iPad > On Oct 10, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > I was probably way too soon in giving you that information. I just entered the information and that record popped up. Looks to be way off. That teaches me. He comes from NovaScotia stock. Say a prayer for him and mov e on! My probable mistake. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > > > On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:06 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: > > I. Am using Garry's information and not discounting it. Just want to be useful. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > > On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:01 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: > > I will seek out answers and give you records as I go along but assume I have no documentation until I specifically tell you. > > I found this James Robbins supposedly born in 1831 but don't know where yet. > > James C. Robbins > 1831 - 1865 > Birth: Sep 16 1831 > Death: Sep 17 1865 > Family members > Parents: > Captain James Robbins, IIII > 1803 - 1884 > Hannah Robbins (born Crosby) > 1806 - 1886 > Siblings: > Lydia Lovitt Durkee (born Robbins) > 1828 - 1903 > George F. Robbins > 1835 - 1865 > John M. Robbins > 1840 - 1865 > William H. Robbins > 1847 - 1914 > Samuel B. Robbins > 1833 - ? > Margery Ellen Robbins > 1836 - 1841 > Phoebe Anne Tedford (born Robbins) > 1843 - ? > Walter Reid Robbins > 1849 - 1866 > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > > On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 1:36 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: > > I am going to take some time and see if I can help you out. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > > On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 6:42 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Shirley, > > I had a quick look for your ancestors: > - James, Edward, and Caroline Robbins may have been born in New York. > - the 1850 census gives their birth state as New York. > - the 1900 census, gives James’ birth date as Dec 1830 New York and his parents as New York. > - Mason Grover’s 1st wife died in Sept. 1841. > - Abigail was born about 1800 in New York. > > Garry > > From: Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 1:26 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA > > > Hi, I have been following the Pa research with interest. As many of you know I have a dead end. According to Wi census I have a gt gt uncle, James Robbins, born in Pa in 1831, my gt gt grandfather, Edward's brother. O ur Dodge co records burned . Their parents could be Peter and Abigail Robbins, according to their sisters wedding certificate . But when they appeared on Wi census records Abigail was married to a Mason Grover. Somethin g must have happened to Peter Robbins between 1837 & 1840. Thank you for reading this and in the Pa research if you find Peter Robbins, please let me know. Shirley Robbins Hawley > > Sent from my iPad > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1806 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 13:18:18 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: James C Robbins and Peter Robbins Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Glad you gave me this. I found a James born Sep 30, 1831 with a brother Edward born in Philly but no Caroline. Garry could very well be right. I just thought I would check Pennsylvania first. That information he has about Grover is great. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:57 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Thank you so much. James Robbins was a attendant at his sister Caroline's wedding in Waupun, Wl. Nov 1853 . He married Aurilla Fairbanks 12/25/1854 Waupun, Wi died 7/23/1907. The Dodge co records burned 1877. Born 12/ 13/31 PA? Brother, Edward, born 1836 NY. 1870 census Edward 34 NY, wife Vestalina,30 , Marietta 11, John 10 mos, Grover, Abigail 68 NY. Thank you again I am looking through my records to give you all l have. I have b een unable to get beyond Wi. More to follow. Sincerely, Shirley Sent from my iPad On Oct 10, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I was probably way too soon in giving you that information. I just entered the information and that record popped up. Looks to be way off. That teaches me. He comes from NovaScotia stock. Say a prayer for him and move on! My probable mistake. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:06 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: I. Am using Garry's information and not discounting it. Just want to be useful. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:01 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: I will seek out answers and give you records as I go along but assume I have no documentation until I specifically tell you. I found this James Robbins supposedly born in 1831 but don't know where yet. James C. Robbins1831 - 1865 | Birth: | Sep 16 1831 | | Death: | Sep 17 1865 | Family members | Parents: | Captain James Robbins, IIII1803 - 1884Hannah Robbins (born Crosby)1806 - 1886 | | Siblings: | Lydia Lovitt Durkee (born Robbins)1828 - 1903George F. Robbins1835 - 1865John M. Robbins1840 - 1865William H. Robbins1847 - 1914Samuel B. Robbins1833 - ?Margery Ellen Robbins1836 - 1841Phoebe Anne Tedford (born Robbins)1843 - ?Walter Reid Robbins1849 - 1866 | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 1:36 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: I am going to take some time and see if I can help you out. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 6:42 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Shirley, I had a quick look for your ancestors:- James, Edward, and Caroline Robbins may have been born in New York.- the 1850 census gives their birth state as New York.- the 1900 census, gives James’ birth da te as Dec 1830 New York and his parents as New York.- Mason Grover’s 1st wife died in Sept. 1841.- Abigail was born about 1800 in New York. Garry From: Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent : Monday, October 9, 2017 1:26 PMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi, I have been following the Pa research with interest. As many of you know I have a dead end. According to Wi census I have a gt gt uncle, James Robbins, born in Pa in 1831, my gt gt grandfather, Edward's brother. Our Dodge co records burned . Their parents could be Peter and Abigail Robbins, according to their sisters wedding certificate . But when they appeared on Wi census records Abigail was married to a Mason Grover. Something must have happened to Peter Robbins between 1837 & 1840. Thank you for reading this and in the Pa research if you find Peter Robbins, please let me know. 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Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 13:25:23 Subject:Re: John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: From (Google Books) Commemorative Historical and Biographical Record of Wood County, Ohio; Its Past and Present, pg.495-496, published 1897: Daniel Robbins is son of Thomas Robbins and grandson of William Robbins, a resident of NJ Thomas Robbins of Fishing Creek, Columbia, PA, married Elizabeth Kline. Their children: William Robbins Abraham Robbins Thomas Robbins Daniel Robbins (1795-1879), b. Fishing Creek, Columbia, PA John Robbins Matthias Robbins Isaac Robbins Charity Robbins Mercy Robbins Daniel (1795) lived in eastern PA until 1825 when he went to Franklin Co., OH. In 1833 he went to Bloom, Wood, OH, where his was the 3rd family to settle there. ----- I believe John (#5 above) to be my ancestor. Perhaps he helped Daniel and Matthias settle in Bloom and then returned to Plains, New Albany, Franklin County, OH. Wood County was created in 1820 from from the lands purch ased from the Wyandot, Seneca, Delaware, Shawnee and other tribes as a result of the Lower Maumee Treaty of 1817. There is a strong oral tradition in our family that our John Robbins (c.1800-1884) married a Wyandot. His first wife, Mary, was born in PA, so she was unlikely Wyandot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1808 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 13:43:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: James C Robbins and Peter Robbins Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I found this unofficial record that points to New Yo rk. This looks like young love. | | | James ROBBINS | | | Born: | Dec 1830 | In: | New York | | | Deceased | | | | | | | Research - Research this person | | | | | | Info | | | | | Events | | | | | Timeline | | | | | | | | | Events in James's life: | | 1830 | | | Birth New York Dec 1830 | | | | | Reference #: 10375 | | 1854 | Age ~24 | | Marriage to: Aurilla FAIRBANKS, [Robbins] (ROBBINS) 1854 | | | | | Death | Aurilla FAIRBANKS, [Robbins] (ROBBINS) | | | Born: | Apr 19 1838 | In: | Leon, Cattaragus, N.Y. | | | Deceased | | | | | | | Research - Research this person | | | | | | Info | | | | | Events | | | | | Timeline | | | | | | | | | Events in Aurilla's life: | | 1838 | | | Birth Leon, Cattaragus, N.Y. Apr 19 1838 | | | | | Reference #: 7506 | | 1854 | Age ~16 | | Marriage to: James ROBBINS 1854 | | | | | Death | | | | | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:57 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Thank you so much. James Robbins was a attendant at his sister Caroline's wedding in Waupun, Wl. Nov 1853 . He married Aurilla Fairbanks 12/25/1854 Waupun, Wi died 7/23/1907. The Dodge co records burned 1877. Born 12/ 13/31 PA? Brother, Edward, born 1836 NY. 1870 census Edward 34 NY, wife Vestalina,30 , Marietta 11, John 10 mos, Grover, Abigail 68 NY. Thank you again I am looking through my records to give you all l have. I have b een unable to get beyond Wi. More to follow. Sincerely, Shirley Sent from my iPad On Oct 10, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I was probably way too soon in giving you that information. I just entered the information and that record popped up. Looks to be way off. That teaches me. He comes from NovaScotia stock. Say a prayer for him and move on! My probable mistake. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:06 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: I. Am using Garry's information and not discounting it. Just want to be useful. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:01 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: I will seek out answers and give you records as I go along but assume I have no documentation until I specifically tell you. I found this James Robbins supposedly born in 1831 but don't know where yet. James C. Robbins1831 - 1865 | Birth: | Sep 16 1831 | | Death: | Sep 17 1865 | Family members | Parents: | Captain James Robbins, IIII1803 - 1884Hannah Robbins (born Crosby)1806 - 1886 | | Siblings: | Lydia Lovitt Durkee (born Robbins)1828 - 1903George F. Robbins1835 - 1865John M. Robbins1840 - 1865William H. Robbins1847 - 1914Samuel B. Robbins1833 - ?Margery Ellen Robbins1836 - 1841Phoebe Anne Tedford (born Robbins)1843 - ?Walter Reid Robbins1849 - 1866 | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 1:36 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: I am going to take some time and see if I can help you out. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 6:42 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Shirley, I had a quick look for your ancestors:- James, Edward, and Caroline Robbins may have been born in New York.- the 1850 census gives their birth state as New York.- the 1900 census, gives James’ birth da te as Dec 1830 New York and his parents as New York.- Mason Grover’s 1st wife died in Sept. 1841.- Abigail was born about 1800 in New York. Garry From: Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent : Monday, October 9, 2017 1:26 PMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi, I have been following the Pa research with interest. As many of you know I have a dead end. According to Wi census I have a gt gt uncle, James Robbins, born in Pa in 1831, my gt gt grandfather, Edward's brother. Our Dodge co records burned . Their parents could be Peter and Abigail Robbins, according to their sisters wedding certificate . But when they appeared on Wi census records Abigail was married to a Mason Grover. Something must have happened to Peter Robbins between 1837 & 1840. Thank you for reading this and in the Pa research if you find Peter Robbins, please let me know. 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In 1880 United States Federal CensusJames Robbins | Gender: | Male | | Birth: | Circa 1832 Pennsylvania, United States | | Residence: | 1880 Waupun, Dodge, Wisconsin, USA | | Age: | 48 | | Marital status: | Married | | Occupation: | Drayman | | Race: | White | | Ethnicity: | American | | New dwelling: | X | | Father's birth place: | Pennsylvania, United States | | Mother's birth place: | Pennsylvania, United States | | Wife: | Aurilla Robbins | | Son: | James M. Robbins | | Census | Township: | Waupun | Series: | T9 | Image: | 758 | | County: | Dodge | Roll: | 1255422 | | | | State: | Wisconsin | Sheet: | 106-B | | | | Date: | 1880 | Line: | 42 | | | See household members | | | | Full screen | | 1 (Sheet 1-A)2 (Sheet 1-B)3 (Sheet 2-C)4 (Sheet 2-D)5 (Sheet 3-A)6 (Sheet 3-B)7 (Sheet 4-C)8 (Sheet 4-D)9 (Sheet 5-A)10 (Sheet 5-B)11 (Sheet 6-C)12 (Sheet 6-D)13 (Sheet 7-A)14 (Sheet 7-B)15 (Sheet 8-C)16 (Sheet 8-D)17 ( Sheet 9-A)18 (Sheet 9-B)19 (Sheet 10-C)20 (Sheet 10-D)21 (Sheet 11-A)22 (Sheet 11-B)23 (Sheet 12-C)24 (Sheet 12-D)25 (Sheet 13-A)26 (Sheet 13-B)27 (Sheet 14-C)28 (Sheet 14-D)29 (Sheet 15-A)30 (Sheet 15-B)31 (Sheet 16-C) 32 (Sheet 16-D)33 (Sheet 17-A)34 (Sheet 17-B)35 (Sheet 18-C)36 (Sheet 18-D)37 (Sheet 19-A)38 (Sheet 19-B)39 (Sheet 20-C)40 (Sheet 20-D)41 (Sheet 21-A)42 (Sheet 21-B)43 (Sheet 22-C)44 (Sheet 22-D)45 (Sheet 23-A)46 (Sheet 23-B)47 (Sheet 24-C)48 (Sheet 24-D)49 (Sheet 25-A)50 (Sheet 25-B)51 (Sheet 26-C)52 (Sheet 26-D)53 (Sheet 27-A)54 (Sheet 27-B)55 (Sheet 28-C)56 (Sheet 28-D)57 (Sheet 29-A)58 (Sheet 30-A)59 (Sheet 30-B)60 (Sheet 31-C)61 (Sheet 31-D)62 (Sheet 32-A)63 (Sheet 32-B)64 (Sheet 33-C)65 (Sheet 33-D)66 (Sheet 34-A)67 (Sheet 34-B)68 (Sheet 35-C)69 (Sheet 35-D)70 (Sheet 36-A)71 (Sheet 36-B)72 (Sheet 37-C)73 (Sheet 37-D)74 (Sheet 38-A)75 (Sheet 38 -B)76 (Sheet 39-C)77 (Sheet 39-D)78 (Sheet 40-A)79 (Sheet 40-B)80 (Sheet 41-C)81 (Sheet 41-D)82 (Sheet 42-A)83 (Sheet 42-B)84 (Sheet 43-C)85 (Sheet 43-D)86 (Sheet 44-A)87 (Sheet 44-B)88 (Sheet 45-A)89 (Sheet 45-B)90 (Sh eet 46-C)91 (Sheet 46-D)92 (Sheet 47-A)93 (Sheet 47-B)94 (Sheet 48-C)95 (Sheet 48-D)96 (Sheet 49-A)97 (Sheet 49-B)98 (Sheet 50-C)99 (Sheet 50-D)100 (Sheet 51-A)101 (Sheet 51-B)102 (Sheet 52-C)103 (Sheet 52-D)104 (Sheet 53-A)105 (Sheet 53-B)106 (Sheet 54-C)107 (Sheet 54-D)108 (Sheet 55-A)109 (Sheet 56-A)110 (Sheet 56-B)111 (Sheet 57-C)112 (Sheet 57-D)113 (Sheet 58-A)114 (Sheet 58-B)115 (Sheet 59-C)116 (Sheet 59-D)117 (Sheet 60-A)118 (S heet 60-B)119 (Sheet 61-C)120 (Sheet 61-D)121 (Sheet 62-A)122 (Sheet 62-B)123 (Sheet 63-C)124 (Sheet 63-D)125 (Sheet 64-A)126 (Sheet 64-B)127 (Sheet 65-C)128 (Sheet 65-D)129 (Sheet 66-A)130 (Sheet 66-B)131 (Sheet 67-C)1 32 (Sheet 67-D)133 (Sheet 68-A)134 (Sheet 68-B)135 (Sheet 69-C)136 (Sheet 69-D)137 (Sheet 70-A)138 (Sheet 70-B)139 (Sheet 71-C)140 (Sheet 71-D)141 (Sheet 72-A)142 (Sheet 72-B)143 (Sheet 73-C)144 (Sheet 73-D)145 (Sheet 7 4-A)146 (Sheet 74-B)147 (Sheet 75-C)148 (Sheet 75-D)149 (Sheet 76-A)150 (Sheet 76-B)151 (Sheet 77-C)152 (Sheet 77-D)153 (Sheet 78-A)154 (Sheet 78-B)155 (Sheet 79-C)156 (Sheet 79-D)157 (Sheet 80-A)158 (Sheet 80-B)159 (Sh eet 81-C)160 (Sheet 81-D)161 (Sheet 82-A)162 (Sheet 82-B)163 (Sheet 83-C)164 (Sheet 83-D)165 (Sheet 84-A)166 (Sheet 84-B)167 (Sheet 85-C)168 (Sheet 85-D)169 (Sheet 86-A)170 (Sheet 86-B)171 (Sheet 87-C)172 (Sheet 87-D)17 3 (Sheet 88-A)174 (Sheet 88-B)175 (Sheet 89-C)176 (Sheet 89-D)177 (Sheet 90-A)178 (Sheet 90-B)179 (Sheet 91-C)180 (Sheet 91-D)181 (Sheet 92-A)182 (Sheet 92-B)183 (Sheet 93-C)184 (Sheet 93-D)185 (Sheet 94-A)186 (Sheet 94 -B)187 (Sheet 95-C)188 (Sheet 95-D)189 (Sheet 96-A)190 (Sheet 96-B)191 (Sheet 97-C)192 (Sheet 97-D)193 (Sheet 98-A)194 (Sheet 98-B)195 (Sheet 99-C)196 (Sheet 99-D)197 (Sheet 100-A)198 (Sheet 100-B)199 (Sheet 101-C)200 ( Sheet 101-D)201 (Sheet 102-A)202 (Sheet 102-B)203 (Sheet 103-C)204 (Sheet 103-D)205 (Sheet 104-A)206 (Sheet 104-B)207 (Sheet 105-C)208 (Sheet 105-D)209 (Sheet 106-A)210 (Sheet 106-B)211 (Sheet 107-C)212 (Sheet 107-D)213 (Sheet 108-A)214 (Sheet 108-B)215 (Sheet 109-C)216 (Sheet 109-D)217 (Sheet 110-A)218 (Sheet 110-B)219 (Sheet 111-C)220 (Sheet 112-A)221 (Sheet 112-B)222 (Sheet 113-C)223 (Sheet 113-D)210 (Sheet 106-B) of 223 | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:57 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Thank you so much. James Robbins was a attendant at his sister Caroline's wedding in Waupun, Wl. Nov 1853 . He married Aurilla Fairbanks 12/25/1854 Waupun, Wi died 7/23/1907. The Dodge co records burned 1877. Born 12/ 13/31 PA? Brother, Edward, born 1836 NY. 1870 census Edward 34 NY, wife Vestalina,30 , Marietta 11, John 10 mos, Grover, Abigail 68 NY. Thank you again I am looking through my records to give you all l have. I have b een unable to get beyond Wi. More to follow. Sincerely, Shirley Sent from my iPad On Oct 10, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I was probably way too soon in giving you that information. I just entered the information and that record popped up. Looks to be way off. That teaches me. He comes from NovaScotia stock. Say a prayer for him and move on! My probable mistake. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:06 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: I. Am using Garry's information and not discounting it. Just want to be useful. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:01 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: I will seek out answers and give you records as I go along but assume I have no documentation until I specifically tell you. I found this James Robbins supposedly born in 1831 but don't know where yet. James C. Robbins1831 - 1865 | Birth: | Sep 16 1831 | | Death: | Sep 17 1865 | Family members | Parents: | Captain James Robbins, IIII1803 - 1884Hannah Robbins (born Crosby)1806 - 1886 | | Siblings: | Lydia Lovitt Durkee (born Robbins)1828 - 1903George F. Robbins1835 - 1865John M. Robbins1840 - 1865William H. Robbins1847 - 1914Samuel B. Robbins1833 - ?Margery Ellen Robbins1836 - 1841Phoebe Anne Tedford (born Robbins)1843 - ?Walter Reid Robbins1849 - 1866 | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 1:36 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: I am going to take some time and see if I can help you out. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 6:42 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Shirley, I had a quick look for your ancestors:- James, Edward, and Caroline Robbins may have been born in New York.- the 1850 census gives their birth state as New York.- the 1900 census, gives James’ birth da te as Dec 1830 New York and his parents as New York.- Mason Grover’s 1st wife died in Sept. 1841.- Abigail was born about 1800 in New York. Garry From: Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent : Monday, October 9, 2017 1:26 PMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi, I have been following the Pa research with interest. As many of you know I have a dead end. According to Wi census I have a gt gt uncle, James Robbins, born in Pa in 1831, my gt gt grandfather, Edward's brother. Our Dodge co records burned . Their parents could be Peter and Abigail Robbins, according to their sisters wedding certificate . But when they appeared on Wi census records Abigail was married to a Mason Grover. Something must have happened to Peter Robbins between 1837 & 1840. Thank you for reading this and in the Pa research if you find Peter Robbins, please let me know. 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But it said Peter Robbins was her father. "Note" to others, I have the book History Of the Robbins family of Walpole, Ma. Descendants of William and Priscilla Robbins Sent from my iPad > On Oct 10, 2017, at 3:18 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Glad you gave me this. I found a James born Sep 30, 1831 with a brother Edward born in Philly but no Caroline. Garry could very well be right. I just thought I would check Pennsylvania first. That information he has about Grover is great. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > > > On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:57 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@yahoo..com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Thank you so much. James Robbins was a attendant at his sister Caroline's wedding in Waupun, Wl. Nov 1853 . He married Aurilla Fairbanks 12/25/1854 Waupun, Wi died 7/23/1907. The Dodge co records burned 1877. Born 1 2/13/31 PA? Brother, Edward, born 1836 NY. 1870 census Edward 34 NY, wife Vestalina,30 , Marietta 11, John 10 mos, Grover, Abigail 68 NY. Thank you again I am looking through my records to give you all l have. I have been unable to get beyond Wi. More to follow. Sincerely, Shirley > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 10, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> I was probably way too soon in giving you that information. I just entered the information and that record popped up. Looks to be way off. That teaches me. He comes from NovaScotia stock. Say a prayer for him and mo ve on! My probable mistake. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:06 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: >> >> I. Am using Garry's information and not discounting it. Just want to be useful. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >> >> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:01 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: >> >> I will seek out answers and give you records as I go along but assume I have no documentation until I specifically tell you. >> >> I found this James Robbins supposedly born in 1831 but don't know where yet. >> >> James C. Robbins >> 1831 - 1865 >> Birth: Sep 16 1831 >> Death: Sep 17 1865 >> Family members >> Parents: >> Captain James Robbins, IIII >> 1803 - 1884 >> Hannah Robbins (born Crosby) >> 1806 - 1886 >> Siblings: >> Lydia Lovitt Durkee (born Robbins) >> 1828 - 1903 >> George F. Robbins >> 1835 - 1865 >> John M. Robbins >> 1840 - 1865 >> William H. Robbins >> 1847 - 1914 >> Samuel B. Robbins >> 1833 - ? >> Margery Ellen Robbins >> 1836 - 1841 >> Phoebe Anne Tedford (born Robbins) >> 1843 - ? >> Walter Reid Robbins >> 1849 - 1866 >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >> >> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 1:36 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: >> >> I am going to take some time and see if I can help you out. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >> >> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 6:42 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> Shirley, >> >> I had a quick look for your ancestors: >> - James, Edward, and Caroline Robbins may have been born in New York. >> - the 1850 census gives their birth state as New York. >> - the 1900 census, gives James’ birth date as Dec 1830 New York and his parents as New York. >> - Mason Grover’s 1st wife died in Sept. 1841. >> - Abigail was born about 1800 in New York. >> >> Garry >> >> From: Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 1:26 PM >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA >> >> >> Hi, I have been following the Pa research with interest. As many of you know I have a dead end. According to Wi census I have a gt gt uncle, James Robbins, born in Pa in 1831, my gt gt grandfather, Edward's brother. Our Dodge co records burned . Their parents could be Peter and Abigail Robbins, according to their sisters wedding certificate . But when they appeared on Wi census records Abigail was married to a Mason Grover. Somethi ng must have happened to Peter Robbins between 1837 & 1840. Thank you for reading this and in the Pa research if you find Peter Robbins, please let me know. Shirley Robbins Hawley >> >> Sent from my iPad >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1811 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 14:05:36 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: Garry, I haven’t found any reliable source either for the birth & death date of William Robbins born 12-25-1753 & died 11-9-1831 in Greenwood , Columbia Co., PA. There may be good sources so will continue to search for them. I t’s interesting that Charity Robins daughter of William Robins born abt. 1728-1811 was “supposedly” born & died on the same exact dates as the above William 1753-1831. Charity Robins’ husband Daniel Welliver/Woolever wa s born 12-25-1748 in Hunterdon Co., NJ & died 7-8-1823 in Jerseytown, Columbia Co., PA. He has a gravestone in the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 12-25-1753 birth & 11-9-1831 death date for Charity Robins Welliver came from J ames Robbins who compiled The Descendants of William Robbins born abt. 1728, died 1811. Like William Robins 1753-1831, I have found no proof that these dates for Charity are correct. However, something doesn’t seem to a dd up on these dates. When we have assumed dates it’s difficult many times to assign the correct child to the correct family especially when we are dealing with the same names over & over, John, Jonathan, Daniel, William, Thomas etc. Thank y ou for working on sorting out all these tangled relationships. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@... on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1812 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 14:10:33 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Garry, Thank you. Your list agrees with my assumed children for Isaac Robins. I see the name John Jersey Robins. Is John’s middle name Jersey a nickname or actually his given middle name? Is there a good source for the “Jersey ” name. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:53 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Sara, Concerning your request for children of Isaac, I don’t have proof, but this is my list: - Ann born 16 March, 1783 m. William Ferguson 1803 Warren County, NJ. Ann was suggested by another person. Her 2nd daughter was named Bathsheba ‘Basheba’, Isaac’s wife’s name. - Richard born 28 Apr, 1786 m. Mary Freeman 1814 Warren County, NJ. 1st son named Isaac. - Stephen born abt 1797. - John Jersey born 25 Feb, 1798. (from cemetery record, census suggests 1799 or 1800) Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, The Rev War Pension Record for Isaac Robins 1758 states he had a son but the son’s name isn’t recorded. How do you connect John Robins as the son of Isaac Robins other than both living in Knowlton, Warren Co., NJ in 183 0? I have no names for any children of Isaac Robins. Thanks for any help on naming Isaac’s children. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1813 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 15:14:02 Subject:Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: I have ... Elizabeth FERGUSON daughter of William FERGUSON and Annie ------. Elizabeth b 1815 near Walnut Valley, New Jersey, d 1897 near Union Brick, New Jersey, mar Gershom Coursen LINABERRY 1832 in Knowlton Township, Warren County, New Jersey. Elizabeth & Gershom had children: Josiah D, William, Susan, John Marshall, Jabez Judson, Silas A & Hiram C. Garry, can you tell me who suggested Ann as a daughter of Isaac ROBINS & Bathsheba HUMMEL ? > Concerning your request for children of Isaac, I don�t have proof, but > this is my list: > - Ann born 16 March, 1783 m. William Ferguson 1803 Warren County, NJ. > Ann was suggested by another person. Her 2nd daughter was named > Bathsheba �Basheba�, Isaac�s wife�s name. > - Richard born 28 Apr, 1786 m. Mary Freeman 1814 Warren County, NJ. > 1st son named Isaac. > - Stephen born abt 1797. > - John Jersey born 25 Feb, 1798. (from cemetery record, census > suggests 1799 or 1800) -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1814 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-10-10 16:50:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: James C Robbins and Peter Robbins Message: Thank you, this is great, my gt. Grandfather, Edward, died at age 40 and my Grandfather, John, at age 34. My being the youngest Robbins cousin I wasn't able to get any family history. Shirley Sent from my iPad > On Oct 10, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > This looks better. > > > In 1880 United States Federal Census > > James Robbins > Gender: Male > Birth: Circa 1832 > Pennsylvania, United States > Residence: 1880 > Waupun, Dodge, Wisconsin, USA > Age: 48 > Marital status: Married > Occupation: Drayman > Race: White > Ethnicity: American > New dwelling: X > Father's birth place: Pennsylvania, United States > Mother's birth place: Pennsylvania, United States > Wife: Aurilla Robbins > Son: James M. Robbins > Census > Township: Waupun Series: T9 Image: 758 > County: Dodge Roll: 1255422 > State: Wisconsin Sheet: 106-B > Date: 1880 Line: 42 > See household members > > > Full screen > > > 210 (Sheet 106-B) > of 223 > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > > On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:57 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Thank you so much. James Robbins was a attendant at his sister Caroline's wedding in Waupun, Wl. Nov 1853 . He married Aurilla Fairbanks 12/25/1854 Waupun, Wi died 7/23/1907. The Dodge co records burned 1877. Born 1 2/13/31 PA? Brother, Edward, born 1836 NY. 1870 census Edward 34 NY, wife Vestalina,30 , Marietta 11, John 10 mos, Grover, Abigail 68 NY. Thank you again I am looking through my records to give you all l have. I have been unable to get beyond Wi. More to follow. Sincerely, Shirley > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 10, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> I was probably way too soon in giving you that information. I just entered the information and that record popped up. Looks to be way off. That teaches me. He comes from NovaScotia stock. Say a prayer for him and mo ve on! My probable mistake. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:06 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: >> >> I. Am using Garry's information and not discounting it. Just want to be useful. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >> >> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 2:01 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: >> >> I will seek out answers and give you records as I go along but assume I have no documentation until I specifically tell you. >> >> I found this James Robbins supposedly born in 1831 but don't know where yet. >> >> James C. Robbins >> 1831 - 1865 >> Birth: Sep 16 1831 >> Death: Sep 17 1865 >> Family members >> Parents: >> Captain James Robbins, IIII >> 1803 - 1884 >> Hannah Robbins (born Crosby) >> 1806 - 1886 >> Siblings: >> Lydia Lovitt Durkee (born Robbins) >> 1828 - 1903 >> George F. Robbins >> 1835 - 1865 >> John M. Robbins >> 1840 - 1865 >> William H. Robbins >> 1847 - 1914 >> Samuel B. Robbins >> 1833 - ? >> Margery Ellen Robbins >> 1836 - 1841 >> Phoebe Anne Tedford (born Robbins) >> 1843 - ? >> Walter Reid Robbins >> 1849 - 1866 >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >> >> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 1:36 PM, Kathleen Crellin wrote: >> >> I am going to take some time and see if I can help you out. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >> >> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 6:42 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> Shirley, >> >> I had a quick look for your ancestors: >> - James, Edward, and Caroline Robbins may have been born in New York. >> - the 1850 census gives their birth state as New York. >> - the 1900 census, gives James’ birth date as Dec 1830 New York and his parents as New York. >> - Mason Grover’s 1st wife died in Sept. 1841. >> - Abigail was born about 1800 in New York. >> >> Garry >> >> From: Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 1:26 PM >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA >> >> >> Hi, I have been following the Pa research with interest. As many of you know I have a dead end. According to Wi census I have a gt gt uncle, James Robbins, born in Pa in 1831, my gt gt grandfather, Edward's brother. Our Dodge co records burned . Their parents could be Peter and Abigail Robbins, according to their sisters wedding certificate . But when they appeared on Wi census records Abigail was married to a Mason Grover. Somethi ng must have happened to Peter Robbins between 1837 & 1840. Thank you for reading this and in the Pa research if you find Peter Robbins, please let me know. Shirley Robbins Hawley >> >> Sent from my iPad >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1815 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 03:38:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Sara, That’s a very good point. I think it’s quite likely ‘Jersey’ was a nickname to distinguish him from the Pennsylvania John’s. You’re showing my deficiencies, I didn’t record a source. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, Thank you. Your list agrees with my assumed children for Isaac Robins. I see the name John Jersey Robins. Is John’s middle name Jersey a nickname or actually his given middle name? Is there a good source for the “Jersey ” name. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:53 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Sara, Concerning your request for children of Isaac, I don’t have proof, but this is my list: - Ann born 16 March, 1783 m. William Ferguson 1803 Warren County, NJ. Ann was suggested by another person. Her 2nd daughter was named Bathsheba ‘Basheba’, Isaac’s wife’s name. - Richard born 28 Apr, 1786 m. Mary Freeman 1814 Warren County, NJ. 1st son named Isaac. - Stephen born abt 1797. - John Jersey born 25 Feb, 1798. (from cemetery record, census suggests 1799 or 1800) Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, The Rev War Pension Record for Isaac Robins 1758 states he had a son but the son’s name isn’t recorded. How do you connect John Robins as the son of Isaac Robins other than both living in Knowlton, Warren Co., NJ in 183 0? I have no names for any children of Isaac Robins. Thanks for any help on naming Isaac’s children. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1816 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 03:41:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Marshall, I can’t give you a name, but it was one or more postings I read, possibly on this site. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:14 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I have ... Elizabeth FERGUSON daughter of William FERGUSON and Annie ------. Elizabeth b 1815 near Walnut Valley, New Jersey, d 1897 near Union Brick, New Jersey, mar Gershom Coursen LINABERRY 1832 in Knowlton Township, Warren County, New Jersey. Elizabeth & Gershom had children: Josiah D, William, Susan, John Marshall, Jabez Judson, Silas A & Hiram C. Garry, can you tell me who suggested Ann as a daughter of Isaac ROBINS & Bathsheba HUMMEL ? > Concerning your request for children of Isaac, I donʼt have proof, but > this is my list: > - Ann born 16 March, 1783 m. William Ferguson 1803 Warren County, NJ. > Ann was suggested by another person. Her 2nd daughter was named > Bathsheba ʽBashebaʼ, Isaacʼs wifeʼs name. > - Richard born 28 Apr, 1786 m. Mary Freeman 1814 Warren County, NJ. > 1st son named Isaac. > - Stephen born abt 1797. > - John Jersey born 25 Feb, 1798. (from cemetery record, census > suggests 1799 or 1800) -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1817 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 05:07:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: Sara, You did well finding the identical dates. I’m guessing I found William’s dates on ancestry.com. I don’t find Charity listed at the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 1830 census supports William Robbins being born 1750 – 1759. He doesn’t appear in the 1840 census. I should probably change my birth for William to about 1755. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, I haven’t found any reliable source either for the birth & death date of William Robbins born 12-25-1753 & died 11-9-1831 in Greenwood , Columbia Co., PA. There may be good sources so will continue to search for them. I t’s interesting that Charity Robins daughter of William Robins born abt. 1728-1811 was “supposedly” born & died on the same exact dates as the above William 1753-1831. Charity Robins’ husband Daniel Welliver/Woolever wa s born 12-25-1748 in Hunterdon Co., NJ & died 7-8-1823 in Jerseytown, Columbia Co., PA. He has a gravestone in the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 12-25-1753 birth & 11-9-1831 death date for Charity Robins Welliver came from J ames Robbins who compiled The Descendants of William Robbins born abt. 1728, died 1811. Like William Robins 1753-1831, I have found no proof that these dates for Charity are correct. However, something doesn’t seem to a dd up on these dates. When we have assumed dates it’s difficult many times to assign the correct child to the correct family especially when we are dealing with the same names over & over, John, Jonathan, Daniel, William, Thomas etc. Thank y ou for working on sorting out all these tangled relationships. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@... on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1818 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 05:50:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: Sara, This could be a good revelation of yours. I believe there’s a family connection between William Robbins of Greenwood Twp and my Joshua Robbins born 1777. I thought with William’s birthdate of 1753, it was unlikely they were brothers, but a later birthdate incr eases that possibility. Are you aware of Elizabeth Robbins born about 1765 who married Robert Richart? Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William lived. His first wife died about 1786 and he married Eliza beth Robbins in 1786 or 1787. He moved to Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, by 1790. My Joshua Robbins was a Witness to the Will of Robert’s in 1808. Elizabeth had a daughter named Jerusha born 1791. I haven’t pursued that name as a potential mother of Elizabeth’s. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, I haven’t found any reliable source either for the birth & death date of William Robbins born 12-25-1753 & died 11-9-1831 in Greenwood , Columbia Co., PA. There may be good sources so will continue to search for them. I t’s interesting that Charity Robins daughter of William Robins born abt. 1728-1811 was “supposedly” born & died on the same exact dates as the above William 1753-1831. Charity Robins’ husband Daniel Welliver/Woolever wa s born 12-25-1748 in Hunterdon Co., NJ & died 7-8-1823 in Jerseytown, Columbia Co., PA. He has a gravestone in the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 12-25-1753 birth & 11-9-1831 death date for Charity Robins Welliver came from J ames Robbins who compiled The Descendants of William Robbins born abt. 1728, died 1811. Like William Robins 1753-1831, I have found no proof that these dates for Charity are correct. However, something doesn’t seem to a dd up on these dates. When we have assumed dates it’s difficult many times to assign the correct child to the correct family especially when we are dealing with the same names over & over, John, Jonathan, Daniel, William, Thomas etc. Thank y ou for working on sorting out all these tangled relationships. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@...t [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@... on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1819 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 07:27:10 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Garry, Thanks for your response on John Jersey Robins. Agree the name does distinguish John from the PA John’s. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:39 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Sara, That’s a very good point. I think it’s quite likely ‘Jersey’ was a nickname to distinguish him from the Pennsylvania John’s. You’re showing my deficiencies, I didn’t record a source. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:10 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, Thank you. Your list agrees with my assumed children for Isaac Robins. I see the name John Jersey Robins. Is John’s middle name Jersey a nickname or actually his given middle name? Is there a good source for the “Jersey ” name. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:53 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Sara, Concerning your request for children of Isaac, I don’t have proof, but this is my list: - Ann born 16 March, 1783 m. William Ferguson 1803 Warren County, NJ. Ann was suggested by another person. Her 2nd daughter was named Bathsheba ‘Basheba’, Isaac’s wife’s name. - Richard born 28 Apr, 1786 m. Mary Freeman 1814 Warren County, NJ. 1st son named Isaac. - Stephen born abt 1797. - John Jersey born 25 Feb, 1798. (from cemetery record, census suggests 1799 or 1800) Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:16 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Garry, The Rev War Pension Record for Isaac Robins 1758 states he had a son but the son’s name isn’t recorded. How do you connect John Robins as the son of Isaac Robins other than both living in Knowlton, Warren Co., NJ in 183 0? I have no names for any children of Isaac Robins. Thanks for any help on naming Isaac’s children. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Isaac born 1758 had a son John who moved to Pennsylvania after 1831. From Revolutionary War Pension Records: Application For A Transfer County of Columbia 9 August, 1836 ... The following are his reasons for removing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania – Said Isaac Robbins son moved to Pennsylvania who he lived with and wishing to live with him as the reason. Isaac and his son John were living in Knowlton Twp, Warren County, NJ, in 1830. I’m guessing Isaac’s wife died between 1830 – 1836, he moved in with his son, John, and moved with him to Pennsylvania by 1836. John Robbins was living in Lycoming County, PA, in 1840. There is not an older person listed with the family, therefore Isaac was living with another family, possibly a daughter. In a 1845 pension record, Isaac is liv ing in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, where he states he has lived for 10 years, which matches the pension record of 1836. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 12:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Hi Marshall, - did Isaac born 1758 have a son named Isaac? - in the 1840 census for Columbia County, PA, there is only one Isaac Robbins listed, the son of Thomas H. Isaac born 1758 was living in Columbia County, but would have been part of another family. - in the 1850 census for Columbia County, PA, I cannot find an Isaac Robbins listed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 11:26 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I don't think this is Isaac ROBINS (b 1758) who served in the Rev War. But, could it be the son of Isaac? > The 1843 article is interesting. > > It reads to me that E. (Emanuel) & J. (John) Lazarus bought property and placed it in the possession of Isaac Robbins. This property previously belonged to Isaac but had been taken by the court. > > This Isaac Robbins could be the older Isaac, from New Jersey, but would he have crops in the ground? > > I haven’t found any family connection between John and Emanuel Lazarus and the Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Richard Robbins richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:40 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA [1 Attachment] > > > > There's also this in the Columbia Democrat, 28 Jan 1843 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1820 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 07:30:37 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Message: Garry, See message #1590. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:41 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA Marshall, I can’t give you a name, but it was one or more postings I read, possibly on this site. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:14 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac ROBINS, Greenwood Twp, Columbia Co, PA I have ... Elizabeth FERGUSON daughter of William FERGUSON and Annie ------. Elizabeth b 1815 near Walnut Valley, New Jersey, d 1897 near Union Brick, New Jersey, mar Gershom Coursen LINABERRY 1832 in Knowlton Township, Warren County, New Jersey. Elizabeth & Gershom had children: Josiah D, William, Susan, John Marshall, Jabez Judson, Silas A & Hiram C. Garry, can you tell me who suggested Ann as a daughter of Isaac ROBINS & Bathsheba HUMMEL ? > Concerning your request for children of Isaac, I donʼt have proof, but > this is my list: > - Ann born 16 March, 1783 m. William Ferguson 1803 Warren County, NJ. > Ann was suggested by another person. Her 2nd daughter was named > Bathsheba ʽBashebaʼ, Isaacʼs wifeʼs name. > - Richard born 28 Apr, 1786 m. Mary Freeman 1814 Warren County, NJ. > 1st son named Isaac. > - Stephen born abt 1797. > - John Jersey born 25 Feb, 1798. (from cemetery record, census > suggests 1799 or 1800) -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1821 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 07:37:06 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: Garry, I’m also unable to find a burial place for Charity Robins Welliver. She may be buried in the same cemetery with husband but no record. Noted the 1830 census & approximate age range for William. Your birth date of 1755 f or him seems reasonable. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:07 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, You did well finding the identical dates. I’m guessing I found William’s dates on ancestry.com. I don’t find Charity listed at the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 1830 census supports William Robbins being born 1750 – 1759. He doesn’t appear in the 1840 census. I should probably change my birth for William to about 1755. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, I haven’t found any reliable source either for the birth & death date of William Robbins born 12-25-1753 & died 11-9-1831 in Greenwood , Columbia Co., PA. There may be good sources so will continue to search for them. I t’s interesting that Charity Robins daughter of William Robins born abt. 1728-1811 was “supposedly” born & died on the same exact dates as the above William 1753-1831. Charity Robins’ husband Daniel Welliver/Woolever wa s born 12-25-1748 in Hunterdon Co., NJ & died 7-8-1823 in Jerseytown, Columbia Co., PA. He has a gravestone in the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 12-25-1753 birth & 11-9-1831 death date for Charity Robins Welliver came from J ames Robbins who compiled The Descendants of William Robbins born abt. 1728, died 1811. Like William Robins 1753-1831, I have found no proof that these dates for Charity are correct. However, something doesn’t seem to a dd up on these dates. When we have assumed dates it’s difficult many times to assign the correct child to the correct family especially when we are dealing with the same names over & over, John, Jonathan, Daniel, William, Thomas etc. Thank y ou for working on sorting out all these tangled relationships. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@... on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1822 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 07:41:54 Subject:DNA results Message: Sara, How does one connect to the Robbins Group after the results are in? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1823 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 07:51:03 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: Garry, No research on Elizabeth Robbins Richart. Only from your work. Wish we could get DNA on the Joshua Robbins family & solve the Sincy Robbins question. This would be a huge break in determining where this family belongs. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:50 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, This could be a good revelation of yours. I believe there’s a family connection between William Robbins of Greenwood Twp and my Joshua Robbins born 1777. I thought with William’s birthdate of 1753, it was unlikely they were brothers, but a later birthdate incr eases that possibility. Are you aware of Elizabeth Robbins born about 1765 who married Robert Richart? Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William lived. His first wife died about 1786 and he married Eliza beth Robbins in 1786 or 1787. He moved to Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, by 1790. My Joshua Robbins was a Witness to the Will of Robert’s in 1808. Elizabeth had a daughter named Jerusha born 1791. I haven’t pursued that name as a potential mother of Elizabeth’s. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, I haven’t found any reliable source either for the birth & death date of William Robbins born 12-25-1753 & died 11-9-1831 in Greenwood , Columbia Co., PA. There may be good sources so will continue to search for them. I t’s interesting that Charity Robins daughter of William Robins born abt. 1728-1811 was “supposedly” born & died on the same exact dates as the above William 1753-1831. Charity Robins’ husband Daniel Welliver/Woolever wa s born 12-25-1748 in Hunterdon Co., NJ & died 7-8-1823 in Jerseytown, Columbia Co., PA. He has a gravestone in the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 12-25-1753 birth & 11-9-1831 death date for Charity Robins Welliver came from J ames Robbins who compiled The Descendants of William Robbins born abt. 1728, died 1811. Like William Robins 1753-1831, I have found no proof that these dates for Charity are correct. However, something doesn’t seem to a dd up on these dates. When we have assumed dates it’s difficult many times to assign the correct child to the correct family especially when we are dealing with the same names over & over, John, Jonathan, Daniel, William, Thomas etc. Thank y ou for working on sorting out all these tangled relationships. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@...m [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@... on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1824 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 08:08:36 Subject:Re: DNA results Message: Robbins/Robins DNA website This is the link I have for them. www.familytreedna.com/groups/robins/about http://www.familytreedna.com/groups/robins/about Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1825 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 08:12:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: Sara, This no go with the DNA testing is hard to understand. It’s not just Joshua’s family, but also: - William b. about 1755 - Vincent b. 1764 - Joseph b. abt 1773 - John b. abt 1775 Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:51 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, No research on Elizabeth Robbins Richart. Only from your work. Wish we could get DNA on the Joshua Robbins family & solve the Sincy Robbins question. This would be a huge break in determining where this family belongs. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:50 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, This could be a good revelation of yours. I believe there’s a family connection between William Robbins of Greenwood Twp and my Joshua Robbins born 1777. I thought with William’s birthdate of 1753, it was unlikely they were brothers, but a later birthdate incr eases that possibility. Are you aware of Elizabeth Robbins born about 1765 who married Robert Richart? Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William lived. His first wife died about 1786 and he married Eliza beth Robbins in 1786 or 1787. He moved to Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, by 1790. My Joshua Robbins was a Witness to the Will of Robert’s in 1808. Elizabeth had a daughter named Jerusha born 1791. I haven’t pursued that name as a potential mother of Elizabeth’s. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, I haven’t found any reliable source either for the birth & death date of William Robbins born 12-25-1753 & died 11-9-1831 in Greenwood , Columbia Co., PA. There may be good sources so will continue to search for them. I t’s interesting that Charity Robins daughter of William Robins born abt. 1728-1811 was “supposedly” born & died on the same exact dates as the above William 1753-1831. Charity Robins’ husband Daniel Welliver/Woolever wa s born 12-25-1748 in Hunterdon Co., NJ & died 7-8-1823 in Jerseytown, Columbia Co., PA. He has a gravestone in the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 12-25-1753 birth & 11-9-1831 death date for Charity Robins Welliver came from J ames Robbins who compiled The Descendants of William Robbins born abt. 1728, died 1811. Like William Robins 1753-1831, I have found no proof that these dates for Charity are correct. However, something doesn’t seem to a dd up on these dates. When we have assumed dates it’s difficult many times to assign the correct child to the correct family especially when we are dealing with the same names over & over, John, Jonathan, Daniel, William, Thomas etc. Thank y ou for working on sorting out all these tangled relationships. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@... on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1826 Sender:jregar@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 08:18:27 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA results Message: Thanks -----Original Message----- From: july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] To: robbinsfamilysociety Sent: Wed, Oct 11, 2017 11:09 am Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: DNA results Robbins/Robins DNA website This is the link I have for them. www.familytreedna.com/groups/robins/about Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1827 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 08:53:32 Subject:Possible other Robbins bible, Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Other interesting commentary on possible connection to the Connecticut/Pennsylvania Land dispute in Wyoming valley of PA, other small leads. I would suggest Garry, that you do more looking in Bloomsburg or maybe you already have.Google this, The Speary Family of Sullivan County, Pa. Sullivan County | | | | | | | | | | | Sullivan County | | | | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1828 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 08:59:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: Kathy, Why won’t one of your male Robbins relatives take the DNA test? Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:51 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, No research on Elizabeth Robbins Richart. Only from your work. Wish we could get DNA on the Joshua Robbins family & solve the Sincy Robbins question. This would be a huge break in determining where this family belongs. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:50 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, This could be a good revelation of yours. I believe there’s a family connection between William Robbins of Greenwood Twp and my Joshua Robbins born 1777. I thought with William’s birthdate of 1753, it was unlikely they were brothers, but a later birthdate incr eases that possibility. Are you aware of Elizabeth Robbins born about 1765 who married Robert Richart? Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William lived. His first wife died about 1786 and he married Eliza beth Robbins in 1786 or 1787. He moved to Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, by 1790. My Joshua Robbins was a Witness to the Will of Robert’s in 1808. Elizabeth had a daughter named Jerusha born 1791. I haven’t pursued that name as a potential mother of Elizabeth’s. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, I haven’t found any reliable source either for the birth & death date of William Robbins born 12-25-1753 & died 11-9-1831 in Greenwood , Columbia Co., PA. There may be good sources so will continue to search for them. I t’s interesting that Charity Robins daughter of William Robins born abt. 1728-1811 was “supposedly” born & died on the same exact dates as the above William 1753-1831. Charity Robins’ husband Daniel Welliver/Woolever wa s born 12-25-1748 in Hunterdon Co., NJ & died 7-8-1823 in Jerseytown, Columbia Co., PA. He has a gravestone in the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 12-25-1753 birth & 11-9-1831 death date for Charity Robins Welliver came from J ames Robbins who compiled The Descendants of William Robbins born abt. 1728, died 1811. Like William Robins 1753-1831, I have found no proof that these dates for Charity are correct. However, something doesn’t seem to a dd up on these dates. When we have assumed dates it’s difficult many times to assign the correct child to the correct family especially when we are dealing with the same names over & over, John, Jonathan, Daniel, William, Thomas etc. Thank y ou for working on sorting out all these tangled relationships. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@... on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1829 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-11 13:13:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I haven't found one yet. Women seem to be the su rvivors. I have meet 3 women on the Robbins side. I will ask Sonya if she knows one right off the bat. We must not have a family into genealogy. The boys die first. I will up my efforts. I have been going from the top down . Your wish is my command. My favorite tv character is Penelope from Criminal minds. I am also doing something for Shirley just taking your information further . I will call Sonya right now. Her grandfathe r was my grandma's brother. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, October 11, 2017, 10:59 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Kathy, Why won’t one of your male Robbins relatives take the DNA test? Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:51 AMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subj ect: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, No research on Elizabeth Robbins Richart. Only from your work. Wish we could get DNA on the Joshua Robbins family & solve the Sincy Robbins question. This would be a huge break in determining where this family belongs. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:50 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, This could be a good revelation of yours. I believe there’s a family connection between William Robbins of Greenwood Twp and my Joshua Robbins born 1777. I thought with William’s birthdate of 1753, it was unlikely they were brothers, but a later birthdate incr eases that possibility. Are you aware of Elizabeth Robbins born about 1765 who married Robert Richart? Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William lived. His first wife died about 1786 and he married Eliza beth Robbins in 1786 or 1787. He moved to Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, by 1790. My Joshua Robbins was a Witness to the Will of Robert’s in 1808. Elizabeth had a daughter named Jerusha born 1791. I haven’t pursued that name as a potential mother of Elizabeth’s. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, I haven’t found any reliable source either for the birth & death date of William Robbins born 12-25-1753 & died 11-9-1831 in Greenwood , Columbia Co., PA. There may be good sources so will continue to search for them. I t’s interesting that Charity Robins daughter of William Robins born abt. 1728-1811 was “supposedly” born & died on the same exact dates as the above William 1753-1831. Charity Robins’ husband Daniel Welliver/Woolever wa s born 12-25-1748 in Hunterdon Co., NJ & died 7-8-1823 in Jerseytown, Columbia Co., PA. He has a gravestone in the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 12-25-1753 birth & 11-9-1831 death date for Charity Robins Welliver came from J ames Robbins who compiled The Descendants of William Robbins born abt. 1728, died 1811. Like William Robins 1753-1831, I have found no proof that these dates for Charity are correct. However, something doesn’t seem to a dd up on these dates. When we have assumed dates it’s difficult many times to assign the correct child to the correct family especially when we are dealing with the same names over & over, John, Jonathan, Daniel, William, Thomas etc. Thank y ou for working on sorting out all these tangled relationships. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@... on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. 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I reme mber as my senior project writing a paper on this new thing called DNA and RNA? I have found some of Joseph D and Joshua's children I can try to get down a few more layers. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, October 11, 2017, 3:18 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I haven't found one yet. Women seem to be the survivors. I have meet 3 women on the Robbins side. I will ask Sonya if she knows one right off the bat. We must not have a family into genealogy. The boys die first . I will up my efforts. I have been going from the top down . Your wish is my command. My favorite tv character is Penelope from Criminal minds. I am also doing something for Shirley just taking your information fur ther . I will call Sonya right now. Her grandfather was my grandma's brother. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, October 11, 2017, 10:59 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Kathy, Why won’t one of your male Robbins relatives take the DNA test? Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:51 AMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subj ect: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, No research on Elizabeth Robbins Richart. Only from your work. Wish we could get DNA on the Joshua Robbins family & solve the Sincy Robbins question. This would be a huge break in determining where this family belongs. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:50 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, This could be a good revelation of yours. I believe there’s a family connection between William Robbins of Greenwood Twp and my Joshua Robbins born 1777. I thought with William’s birthdate of 1753, it was unlikely they were brothers, but a later birthdate incr eases that possibility. Are you aware of Elizabeth Robbins born about 1765 who married Robert Richart? Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William lived. His first wife died about 1786 and he married Eliza beth Robbins in 1786 or 1787. He moved to Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, by 1790. My Joshua Robbins was a Witness to the Will of Robert’s in 1808. Elizabeth had a daughter named Jerusha born 1791. I haven’t pursued that name as a potential mother of Elizabeth’s. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, I haven’t found any reliable source either for the birth & death date of William Robbins born 12-25-1753 & died 11-9-1831 in Greenwood , Columbia Co., PA. There may be good sources so will continue to search for them. I t’s interesting that Charity Robins daughter of William Robins born abt. 1728-1811 was “supposedly” born & died on the same exact dates as the above William 1753-1831. Charity Robins’ husband Daniel Welliver/Woolever wa s born 12-25-1748 in Hunterdon Co., NJ & died 7-8-1823 in Jerseytown, Columbia Co., PA. He has a gravestone in the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 12-25-1753 birth & 11-9-1831 death date for Charity Robins Welliver came from J ames Robbins who compiled The Descendants of William Robbins born abt. 1728, died 1811. Like William Robins 1753-1831, I have found no proof that these dates for Charity are correct. However, something doesn’t seem to a dd up on these dates. When we have assumed dates it’s difficult many times to assign the correct child to the correct family especially when we are dealing with the same names over & over, John, Jonathan, Daniel, William, Thomas etc. Thank y ou for working on sorting out all these tangled relationships. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@... on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. 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Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, October 11, 2017, 3:18 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I haven't found one yet. Women seem to be the survivors. I have meet 3 women on the Robbins side. I will ask Sonya if she knows one right off the bat. We must not have a family into genealogy. The boys die first . I will up my efforts. I have been going from the top down . Your wish is my command. My favorite tv character is Penelope from Criminal minds. I am also doing something for Shirley just taking your information fur ther . I will call Sonya right now. Her grandfather was my grandma's brother. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, October 11, 2017, 10:59 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Kathy, Why won’t one of your male Robbins relatives take the DNA test? Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:51 AMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subj ect: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, No research on Elizabeth Robbins Richart. Only from your work. Wish we could get DNA on the Joshua Robbins family & solve the Sincy Robbins question. This would be a huge break in determining where this family belongs. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:50 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, This could be a good revelation of yours. I believe there’s a family connection between William Robbins of Greenwood Twp and my Joshua Robbins born 1777. I thought with William’s birthdate of 1753, it was unlikely they were brothers, but a later birthdate incr eases that possibility. Are you aware of Elizabeth Robbins born about 1765 who married Robert Richart? Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William lived. His first wife died about 1786 and he married Eliza beth Robbins in 1786 or 1787. He moved to Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, by 1790. My Joshua Robbins was a Witness to the Will of Robert’s in 1808. Elizabeth had a daughter named Jerusha born 1791. I haven’t pursued that name as a potential mother of Elizabeth’s. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, I haven’t found any reliable source either for the birth & death date of William Robbins born 12-25-1753 & died 11-9-1831 in Greenwood , Columbia Co., PA. There may be good sources so will continue to search for them. I t’s interesting that Charity Robins daughter of William Robins born abt. 1728-1811 was “supposedly” born & died on the same exact dates as the above William 1753-1831. Charity Robins’ husband Daniel Welliver/Woolever wa s born 12-25-1748 in Hunterdon Co., NJ & died 7-8-1823 in Jerseytown, Columbia Co., PA. He has a gravestone in the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 12-25-1753 birth & 11-9-1831 death date for Charity Robins Welliver came from J ames Robbins who compiled The Descendants of William Robbins born abt. 1728, died 1811. Like William Robins 1753-1831, I have found no proof that these dates for Charity are correct. However, something doesn’t seem to a dd up on these dates. When we have assumed dates it’s difficult many times to assign the correct child to the correct family especially when we are dealing with the same names over & over, John, Jonathan, Daniel, William, Thomas etc. Thank y ou for working on sorting out all these tangled relationships. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@att.net on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. 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The one with a lot of boys is Curtis Maine Robbins son of William Vincent. I am doing this on the fly so don't be too picky. The reason I am releasing this is so we can find an eligible man with the last name of Robbins. This person must be aliv e so we don't need permission to exhume a body. I can get access to to Ancestry tomorrow at the library but someone might have it at home if they want to help us find a specimen. I will go back on it later. Immediate family | | Elizabeth Jane (June) Robbins His wife | | Harriet Louise Robbins His daughter | | Sophia Abigail Hartman His daughter | | | Sarah Idylla Bickel His daughter | | Curtis Mayne Robbins His son | | Melvin Edgar Robbins His son | | | Lafayette Robbins His son | | Joseph Dildine Robbins His father | | Maria Matilda Robbins (born Applegate) His mother | | | Ira Clinton Robbins His brother | | Andrew Jackson Robbins His brother | | Henry Joshua Robbins His brother | | | John L. G. Robbins His brother | | Joshua B Robbins His brother | | Amanda J Johnson (born Robbins) His sister | | | Elizabeth J Robbins His sister | | Mary E Heller (born Robbins) His sister | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, October 11, 2017, 3:18 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I haven't found one yet. Women seem to be the survivors. I have meet 3 women on the Robbins side. I will ask Sonya if she knows one right off the bat. We must not have a family into genealogy. The boys die first . I will up my efforts. I have been going from the top down . Your wish is my command. My favorite tv character is Penelope from Criminal minds. I am also doing something for Shirley just taking your information fur ther . I will call Sonya right now. Her grandfather was my grandma's brother. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, October 11, 2017, 10:59 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Kathy, Why won’t one of your male Robbins relatives take the DNA test? Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:51 AMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subj ect: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, No research on Elizabeth Robbins Richart. Only from your work. Wish we could get DNA on the Joshua Robbins family & solve the Sincy Robbins question. This would be a huge break in determining where this family belongs. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:50 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, This could be a good revelation of yours. I believe there’s a family connection between William Robbins of Greenwood Twp and my Joshua Robbins born 1777. I thought with William’s birthdate of 1753, it was unlikely they were brothers, but a later birthdate incr eases that possibility. Are you aware of Elizabeth Robbins born about 1765 who married Robert Richart? Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William lived. His first wife died about 1786 and he married Eliza beth Robbins in 1786 or 1787. He moved to Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, by 1790. My Joshua Robbins was a Witness to the Will of Robert’s in 1808. Elizabeth had a daughter named Jerusha born 1791. I haven’t pursued that name as a potential mother of Elizabeth’s. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:05 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, I haven’t found any reliable source either for the birth & death date of William Robbins born 12-25-1753 & died 11-9-1831 in Greenwood , Columbia Co., PA. There may be good sources so will continue to search for them. I t’s interesting that Charity Robins daughter of William Robins born abt. 1728-1811 was “supposedly” born & died on the same exact dates as the above William 1753-1831. Charity Robins’ husband Daniel Welliver/Woolever wa s born 12-25-1748 in Hunterdon Co., NJ & died 7-8-1823 in Jerseytown, Columbia Co., PA. He has a gravestone in the Jerseytown Cemetery. The 12-25-1753 birth & 11-9-1831 death date for Charity Robins Welliver came from J ames Robbins who compiled The Descendants of William Robbins born abt. 1728, died 1811. Like William Robins 1753-1831, I have found no proof that these dates for Charity are correct. However, something doesn’t seem to a dd up on these dates. When we have assumed dates it’s difficult many times to assign the correct child to the correct family especially when we are dealing with the same names over & over, John, Jonathan, Daniel, William, Thomas etc. Thank y ou for working on sorting out all these tangled relationships. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Sara, Yes, but I didn’t record a source. They fit well with other records I have. William Robbins, born 25 Dec, 1753, died 9 Nov, 1831. I’m guessing he was born in NJ. He died in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. He’s probably buried in the Methodist Cemetery. In 1780, William was living in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where John would have been born and where he served in the Revolution. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:28 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Garry, John Robins b. 1780 & died 1850 Millville, Columbia Co., PA. buried at greenwood M.E. Cemetery. You indicated in an earlier post his father was William Robins but not William Robins 1728-1811. Do you have the birth & de ath date & places for this William Robins father of John Robins 1780-1850? Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robbins, son of William (1725-1811) Here's information on the John Robbins I believe to be the son of William: John settled in Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA, around 1795 with his brothers, Jonathan and Daniel. From the 1800 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, John 10010-00010 From the 1810 census for Fishing Creek Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Jno 30010-11010 From the 1830 census for Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH: Robins, John 00011001-00100001 John 200001-02001 Mathias 000001-22001 Daniel 100001-21001 Samuel 20001-10001 Mathias and Daniel are sons of Thomas H. Robbins, son of William. Samuel is a son of John. I'm suggesting the younger John is also a son of Thomas, since apparently 3 sons of Thomas moved to Ohio (original information from Julie Stahl) File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by: Vicki Tieche mvtieche@att.net on April 19, 2011 ************************************************ BURIALS IN FANCHER / MAPLE GROVE CEMETERIES HARLEM TOWNSHIP, DELAWARE COUNTY, OHIO FULL RECORDS OF THOSE BORN BEFORE 1850 NAMES ONLY OF THOSE BORN AFTER 1850 2010 Compilation by Vicki Tieche FANCHER CEMETERY John Robbins, d. Feb 21, 1859, age 88y3m18d - did not find 2010 Mary, w/o John Robbins, d. May 7, 1857, age 84y3m15d - did not find 2010 I have calculated John's birthdate as 3 Nov, 1771. Harlem Twp, Delaware County, OH, adjoins Plain Twp, Franklin County, OH. John has decendants who are also buried at the Fancher Cemetery. 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Post Date/Time:2017-10-12 06:24:55 Subject:Joshua Robbins born 1777 Message: I have a query about Joshua's wife, Jane.born 1782. Descendants have assumed Jane's maiden name to be Dildine. Does anyone have a record to support this? An early researcher and descendant, Minnie Faus born 1877, applied for membership to DAR, using Jane Dildine. Joshua and Jane had a son Joseph D. Robbins. Joseph's middle name is supposedly Dildine, but I have not seen a supporting record. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1835 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-12 06:35:18 Subject:Cincy Robbins Message: From the website posting: MORE ROBBINS HISTORY: - Although very incomplete, the following is an excerpt taken from the Robbins Bible Records. -- SINCY ROBBINS with seven sons from Ireland came to America and settled in Weathersfield, Connecticu t. Some of the family moved to New Jersey, from where some of them moved to Pennsylvania. The names of these sons were known to be; - WILLIAM, VINCENT, JOSHUA, JOHN and JOSEPH ROBBINS It's interesting, the 5 Robbins sons' names are names I've found in Columbia County, PA, who I believe are very closely related. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1836 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-12 07:57:49 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Cincy Robbins Message: Garry, You are the first serious researcher I have come across that has objectively looked in this group & raised valid questions on the origin of Sincy Robins & sons. I appreciate your work in trying to find the correct answe rs for this family. As you know, I’ve looked at the Sincy Robins group for quite a few years because of the possibility they may be Daniel Robins descendants. I’m convinced that only DNA will answer the question. This is just my opinion bu t the continued search for the mysterious Sincy Robins is just the spinning of wheels without DNA. I asked a Sincy Robins descendant over 10 years ago to take a DNA test. He was a descendant of Joshua Robbins 1779-1837 buried in Richart Grove Cemetery, Unityville, Lycoming Co., PA. At that time the Robbins group used the proceeds from the Robins, Robbins of NJ book to pay for DNA tests so it would have been free. I was told the Sincy Robins family didn’t need DNA because the family was absolutely positive the Bible record was correct & there was no relationship to the Daniel Robins family. I asked for a copy of the Bible record, never received one o r any other records. However, I do believe there is or was a Bible record that refers to Sincy Robbins. In all my Robins, Robbins research of NJ, CT & other New England records, I haven’t seen a clue for a Sincy Robins/ Robbins. If there are records of Sincy & sons in Wethersfield, CT, would someone please point me to them? GO DNA!! Thanks. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:35 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Cincy Robbins From the website posting: MORE ROBBINS HISTORY: - Although very incomplete, the following is an excerpt taken from the Robbins Bible Records. -- SINCY ROBBINS with seven sons from Ireland came to America and settled in Weathersfield, Connecticut . Some of the family moved to New Jersey, from where some of them moved to Pennsylvania. The names of these sons were known to be; - WILLIAM, VINCENT, JOSHUA, JOHN and JOSEPH ROBBINS It's interesting, the 5 Robbins sons' names are names I've found in Columbia County, PA, who I believe are very closely related. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1837 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-12 08:40:23 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 Message: Garry, I have no record for Jane wife of Joshua Robbins maiden name Dildane. Good question. Is there a source? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:25 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 I have a query about Joshua's wife, Jane.born 1782. Descendants have assumed Jane's maiden name to be Dildine. Does anyone have a record to support this? An early researcher and descendant, Minnie Faus born 1877, applied for membership to DAR, using Jane Dildine. Joshua and Jane had a son Joseph D. Robbins. Joseph's middle name is supposedly Dildine, but I have not seen a supporting record. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1838 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-12 09:31:49 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 Message: Sara, I see Minnie Faus Rosebush’s DAR application is dated 1938. Possibly, Jane Dildine’s parentage was accepted based on family knowledge. I’m working on a SAR application and feel this link is weak. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 11:40 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 Garry, I have no record for Jane wife of Joshua Robbins maiden name Dildane. Good question. Is there a source? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:25 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 I have a query about Joshua's wife, Jane.born 1782. Descendants have assumed Jane's maiden name to be Dildine. Does anyone have a record to support this? An early researcher and descendant, Minnie Faus born 1877, applied for membership to DAR, using Jane Dildine. Joshua and Jane had a son Joseph D. Robbins. Joseph's middle name is supposedly Dildine, but I have not seen a supporting record. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1839 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-12 11:35:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I was getting not very far when I was trying to answ er some of Garry's questions so I decided to keep going. I know JANE Robins lived with the Fauses some when she was old. The census had only one b. Also in 1840 she lived with John, William Richart, Frederick Romm, an d Joseph D Robbins. Her name was with one b. I have seen Robens, Robans, etc. I am with Garry about Rickert being mixed in someplace. I might have a record of a Dildine boy living with a Rickert for awhile. This probably doesn't have anything to do with us but 1777 and 1778 were wicked years in Pennsylvania history. We have the mass panic where a few of the counties were totally emptied because of deaths of settlers from attacks by Native Americans and Tories. One source stated that a lot of Pennsylvanians originated in New Jersey so went there with their families. Some of the men went back to try to bring in their crop and were killed. The other event was the land dispute between Connecticut and the Wyoming valley in Pennsylvania. The Sperry or Speary family came to PA first to Luzerne then to Sullivan in that linc I sent yesterday. They had Robbi ns neighbors. Yesterday I found where one of our Robbins relatives married a Spanish American woman out inCalifornia so I can see how a bible could wind up in their hands. I am on my way to Geneology Center. My great great grandfather was always known to us as John Dildaine Robbins. We didn't pick the name out of thin air. I will look at my records some of which I photographed and nee d to change to PDFs. This mystery is a lot of the reason as to why I am slow at getting a live male Robbins. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, October 12, 2017, 11:31 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Sara, I see Minnie Faus Rosebush’s DAR application is dated 1938. Possibly, Jane Dildine’s parentage was accepted based on family knowledge. I’m working on a SAR application and feel this link is weak. Garry From: 'S ara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 11:40 AMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 Garry, I have no record for Jane wife of Joshua Robbins maiden name Dildane. Good question. Is there a source? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:25 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 I have a query about Joshua's wife, Jane.born 1782. Descendants have assumed Jane's maiden name to be Dildine. Does anyone have a record to support this? An early researcher and descendant, Minnie Faus born 1877, applied for membership to DAR, using Jane Dildine. Joshua and Jane had a son Joseph D. Robbins. Joseph's middle name is supposedly Dildine, but I have not seen a supporting record. 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Post Date/Time:2017-10-12 11:43:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 Message: Kathleen, I didn�t know that history of Pa, native Amer, etc. Thanks for sharing it. Cindy iPad > On Oct 12, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > I was getting not very far when I was trying to answer some of Garry's questions so I decided to keep going. I know JANE Robins lived with the Fauses some when she was old. The census had only one b. Also in 1840 sh e lived with John, William Richart, Frederick Romm, and Joseph D Robbins. Her name was with one b. I have seen Robens, Robans, etc. > > > I am with Garry about Rickert being mixed in someplace. I might have a record of a Dildine boy living with a Rickert for awhile. > > This probably doesn't have anything to do with us but 1777 and 1778 were wicked years in Pennsylvania history. We have the mass panic where a few of the counties were totally emptied because of deaths of settlers fro m attacks by Native Americans and Tories. One source stated that a lot of Pennsylvanians originated in New Jersey so went there with their families. Some of the men went back to try to bring in their crop and were kille d. The other event was the land dispute between Connecticut and the Wyoming valley in Pennsylvania. The Sperry or Speary family came to PA first to Luzerne then to Sullivan in that linc I sent yesterday. They had Rob bins neighbors. Yesterday I found where one of our Robbins relatives married a Spanish American woman out inCalifornia so I can see how a bible could wind up in their hands. > > I am on my way to Geneology Center. My great great grandfather was always known to us as John Dildaine Robbins. We didn't pick the name out of thin air. I will look at my records some of which I photographed and n eed to change to PDFs. This mystery is a lot of the reason as to why I am slow at getting a live male Robbins. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad > > On Thursday, October 12, 2017, 11:31 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Sara, > > I see Minnie Faus Rosebush�s DAR application is dated 1938. Possibly, Jane Dildine�s parentage was accepted based on family knowledge. > > I�m working on a SAR application and feel this link is weak. > > Garry > > From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 11:40 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 > > > Garry, > > I have no record for Jane wife of Joshua Robbins maiden name Dildane. Good question. Is there a source? > > Sara > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:25 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 > > > > I have a query about Joshua's wife, Jane.born 1782. Descendants have assumed Jane's maiden name to be Dildine. Does anyone have a record to support this? > > An early researcher and descendant, Minnie Faus born 1877, applied for membership to DAR, using Jane Dildine. > > Joshua and Jane had a son Joseph D. Robbins. Joseph's middle name is supposedly Dildine, but I have not seen a supporting record. > > Garry > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1841 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-12 14:00:33 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 Message: Garry, I think you are right about the Minnie Faus DAR 1938 application. Many times descendants have correct family information without a document to back it up. However, from my experience the DAR requires reliable records fo r every relationship & assume the SAR is similar. Maybe their policy back in 1938 was not as strict. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:32 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 Sara, I see Minnie Faus Rosebush’s DAR application is dated 1938. Possibly, Jane Dildine’s parentage was accepted based on family knowledge. I’m working on a SAR application and feel this link is weak. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 11:40 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 Garry, I have no record for Jane wife of Joshua Robbins maiden name Dildane. Good question. Is there a source? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:25 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joshua Robbins born 1777 I have a query about Joshua's wife, Jane.born 1782. Descendants have assumed Jane's maiden name to be Dildine. Does anyone have a record to support this? An early researcher and descendant, Minnie Faus born 1877, applied for membership to DAR, using Jane Dildine. Joshua and Jane had a son Joseph D. Robbins. Joseph's middle name is supposedly Dildine, but I have not seen a supporting record. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1842 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-12 19:42:17 Subject:Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1843 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-12 19:48:41 Subject:ROBINS / FERGUSON Message: Recently there was a posting here saying Ann ROBINS (dau of Isaac ROBINS & Bathsheba HUMMEL) married William FERGUSON in 1803 in Sussex Co, NJ. There was a question as to where the info came from and a reference was made to message #1590 (a past posting to this group). Message #1590 does show some info but it doesn't name William FERGUSON as the spouse of Ann ROBINS. Does anyone know where the marriage info came from? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1844 Sender:Moria Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-10-13 00:37:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS / FERGUSON Message: I posted about my 4th g-grandmother Anna Robins who married William Ferguson april 10 1803. Thanks to Sara, I am assigning her parents as Issac and Bathsheba Hummell Robins. Sara does point out there is no proof but is instead a strong possibility. My Anna moved to OH after her husband died in 1845. She died in 1862 Warmly, Barbara- California On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Recently there was a posting here saying Ann ROBINS (dau of Isaac ROBINS & > Bathsheba HUMMEL) married William FERGUSON in 1803 in Sussex Co, NJ. > There was a question as to where the info came from and a reference was > made to message #1590 (a past posting to this group). > > Message #1590 does show some info but it doesn't name William FERGUSON as > the spouse of Ann ROBINS. > > Does anyone know where the marriage info came from? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@...t -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1845 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-13 04:14:20 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Message: Kathy, Thanks, but “Rachels Robbins’ parents, etc, – The ages of Joshua Robbins and his wife Jane Dildine and their children” was not in the bible. The bible says “Jane, his wife”, with no reference to her surname. I don’t have copies from the bible, but this is from the information I have seen. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:42 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1846 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-13 05:04:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Message: It’s my guess that the ‘Cincy’ Robbins Bible was passed down through the Faus family, which is why it’s referenced in the Faus Family book, which was compiled in the early 1960’s. That means it’s been over 50 years and the Bible has most likely been passed down at least one generation probably being stored where no one sees it or cares about it. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 7:14 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Kathy, Thanks, but “Rachels Robbins’ parents, etc, – The ages of Joshua Robbins and his wife Jane Dildine and their children” was not in the bible. The bible says “Jane, his wife”, with no reference to her surname. I don’t have copies from the bible, but this is from the information I have seen. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:42 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1847 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-13 05:19:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Message: Besides the Robbins Bible is the photocopy of it referenced in the Faus Genealogy. The Faus Genealogy was complied by Sister Mary Euphrasia (Ruth Lavina Faus). The photocopy may remain with her research papers. L. D. Pierce maintained a website with the Faus Genealogy and was very knowledgeable about it. Unfortunately, L. D. passed away a couple of years ago. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. It’s my guess that the ‘Cincy’ Robbins Bible was passed down through the Faus family, which is why it’s referenced in the Faus Family book, which was compiled in the early 1960’s. That means it’s been over 50 years and the Bible has most likely been passed down at least one generation probably being stored where no one sees it or cares about it. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 7:14 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Kathy, Thanks, but “Rachels Robbins’ parents, etc, – The ages of Joshua Robbins and his wife Jane Dildine and their children” was not in the bible. The bible says “Jane, his wife”, with no reference to her surname. I don’t have copies from the bible, but this is from the information I have seen. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:42 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1848 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-13 07:02:06 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS / FERGUSON Message: Marshall, There is a marriage record for William Ferguson & Anna Robins in Sussex Co., NJ on 4-11-1803. Agree with Barbara regarding her ancestor Anna Robins Ferguson being the daughter of Isaac & Bathsheba Robins. Anna Robins Fe rguson died on 5-18-1862 & is buried at Old Darby Cemetery, Unionville, Union Co., OH. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 12:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS / FERGUSON I posted about my 4th g-grandmother Anna Robins who married William Ferguson april 10 1803. Thanks to Sara, I am assigning her parents as Issac and Bathsheba Hummell Robins. Sara does point out there is no proof but is instead a strong possibility. My Anna moved to OH after her husband died in 1845. She died in 1862 Warmly, Barbara- California On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > wrote: Recently there was a posting here saying Ann ROBINS (dau of Isaac ROBINS & Bathsheba HUMMEL) married William FERGUSON in 1803 in Sussex Co, NJ. There was a question as to where the info came from and a reference was made to message #1590 (a past posting to this group). Message #1590 does show some info but it doesn't name William FERGUSON as the spouse of Ann ROBINS. Does anyone know where the marriage info came from? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1849 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-13 09:26:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } It is hard for me with a great great grandfather nam ed John Dildaine Robbins and his brother, Joseph Dildine Robbins to think of other solutions. They have a mother someplace and her first name is Jane and there are many, many other people who believe it is Dildine so I am not completely done with it but if I want to do this genealogy thing I have to go on or else be stuck before I begin with the Sincy thing. I wish my branch of the family could be talked about with interest instead o f this need to lower the boom. I was happy that Sarah brought it up. If I could only talk to my great uncles and grandma again I would know for sure. I did find a death certificate last night that had Joseph D Robbin s as John LG Robbins father but his middle name was not spelled out. I know for sure both brothers initials are D. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, October 13, 2017, 7:19 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Besides the Robbins Bible is the photocopy of it referenced in the Faus Genealogy. The Faus Genealogy was complied by Sister Mary Euphrasia (Ruth Lavina Faus). The photocopy may remain with her research papers. CL. D. Pierce maintained a website with the Faus Genealogy and was very knowledgeable about it. Unfortunately, L. D. passed away a couple of years ago. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:04 AMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. It’s my guess that the ‘Cincy’ Robbins Bible was passed down through the Faus family, which is why it’s referenced in the Faus Family book, which was compiled in the early 1960’s. That means it’s been over 50 years and the Bible has most likely been passed down at least one generation probably being stored where no one sees it or cares about it. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, October 13, 201 7 7:14 AMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Kathy, Thanks, but “Rachels Robbins’ parents, etc, – The ages of Joshua Robbins and his wife Jane Dildine and their children” was not in the bible. The bible says “Jane, his wife”, with no reference to her surname. I don’t have copies from the bible, but this is from the information I have seen. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:42 PMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society M ailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. 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[2 Attachments] Message: Kathy, Do you have any record that states “Joseph Dildine Robbins” or “John Dildine Robbins”? Even an oral history that was written in the past. I don’t think there’s any lowering of the boom going on, just an interest to know information. I believe the middle names were Dildine, but I’d like some documentation. Thanks, Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 12:26 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. [2 Attachments] It is hard for me with a great great grandfather named John Dildaine Robbins and his brother, Joseph Dildine Robbins to think of other solutions. They have a mother someplace and her first name is Jane and there are ma ny, many other people who believe it is Dildine so I am not completely done with it but if I want to do this genealogy thing I have to go on or else be stuck before I begin with the Sincy thing. I wish my branch of the family could be talked about with interest instead of this need to lower the boom. I was happy that Sarah brought it up. If I could only talk to my great uncles and grandma again I would know for sure. I did find a d eath certificate last night that had Joseph D Robbins as John LG Robbins father but his middle name was not spelled out. I know for sure both brothers initials are D. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, October 13, 2017, 7:19 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Besides the Robbins Bible is the photocopy of it referenced in the Faus Genealogy. The Faus Genealogy was complied by Sister Mary Euphrasia (Ruth Lavina Faus). The photocopy may remain with her research papers. CL. D. Pierce maintained a website with the Faus Genealogy and was very knowledgeable about it. Unfortunately, L. D. passed away a couple of years ago. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:04 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. It’s my guess that the ‘Cincy’ Robbins Bible was passed down through the Faus family, which is why it’s referenced in the Faus Family book, which was compiled in the early 1960’s. That means it’s been over 50 years a nd the Bible has most likely been passed down at least one generation probably being stored where no one sees it or cares about it. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 7:14 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Kathy, Thanks, but “Rachels Robbins’ parents, etc, – The ages of Joshua Robbins and his wife Jane Dildine and their children” was not in the bible. The bible says “Jane, his wife”, with no reference to her surname. I don’t have copies from the bible, but this is from the information I have seen. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:42 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins information for Sincy, Dildine relationship and children. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1851 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-13 16:37:02 Subject:Daniel ROBINS, son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756) Message: Sara & Tracey, A while back it was discussed/determined that Daniel ROBINS, son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756), was the Daniel ROBINS who married Frances ------, owned Robins Tavern, and died in 1763 rather than Daniel ROBINS, son of Daniel ROBINS (1666-c1735). I've been going over my notes and find there's an Elizabeth (1713-1748) and a Hannah (mar James COX 1745). In my notes both Elizabeth and Hannah are assigned as children of Daniel ROBINS, son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756). But, this cannot be because of the timing. So, did Daniel ROBINS, son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756), have any children? Who are the parents of Elizabeth (1713-1748) and Hannah (mar James COX 1745)? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1852 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-13 18:02:34 Subject:Re: Daniel ROBINS, son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756) Message: Marshall, Please refer to message #1714. You answered this post on Elizabeth Robins Morford & Hannah Robins Cox. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1853 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-13 19:07:09 Subject:Re: Daniel ROBINS, son of Job ROBINS (1702-1756) Message: Hi, I believe Daniel b. 05 Oct 1692 and wife Elizabeth are the parents of Elizabeth and Hannah. We know this Daniel lived in Monmouth...and actually, I have a lot of trouble believing that this Daniel ever lived in Amwell. Maybe we should run through the records we have for Daniel b. 05 Oct 1692? I'll start a new thread for it so we don't mix him in a topic titled "Daniel Robins, son of Job Robins (1702-1756)! Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1854 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-13 20:52:54 Subject:Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Message: Hi, In another thread, Marshall asked about the parents of: -- Elizabeth ROBINS who married John MORFORD in Monmouth Co. in 1739 One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and she was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford f amily pages 596,597,598.) -- Hannah ROBINS who married James COX in Monmouth Co. in 1745 the bondsman was "Daniel ROBINS Jr." (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) I believe the father of both of these girls is the Daniel Robins born 05 Oct 1692 who lived in Monmouth Co. with his wife, Elizabeth. I don't have much information about this Daniel. I hope that others with records/info about him will post that information in replies to this thread. Daniel Robins 1692: Born 05 Oct 1692, son of Daniel Robins and Mary Parker. Source: Woodbridge And Vicinity " by Rev. Joseph W. Dally https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall 1713: -- Married before 1713, presumably if daughter Elizabeth's birth date is accurate -- May 1713: Daughter Elizabeth born May 1713 (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) 1739: -- February 1739: Daughter Elizabeth marries John Morford One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I arti cle by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) --18 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to deed of Anthony King. Anthony King, yeoman, of Monmouth Co., ENJ, (son & heir of John King, yeoman, late of the same) to his mother Elizabeth King, widow £0.5, 610 acres...line of his brother Benjamin King. Signed Anthony King. Wit: John Qui cksall, Daniel Robins, & Edon Beakes. (Source: West Jersey New Jersey Deed Records 1721-1776, Complied by John David Davis, Heritage Books, 2016, page 96.) -- 20 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to will of Elizabeth King. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crossw icks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix's husband was bound for (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine board s. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. (Source: Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Administrations, Etc, Volume 30 https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEITzAG#v=on epage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en&s a=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEITzAG#v=onepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false) 1745: Nov 1745: Marriage of Hannah Robins to James Cox, with Daniel Robins Jr as bondsman. # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) 1748: Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not r ecorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizabeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... (Source: Robins Robbins of New Jersey, Author Sara Robbins Hoffman, Publisher Taylor, 2006) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1855 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-13 21:03:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS / FERGUSON Message: Thanks Barbara and Sara. Can you tell me the names of the children of William FERGUSON & Anna ROBINS? Barbara ... I sure hope you're not near any of the fires. > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:02 am ((PDT)) > > There is a marriage record for William Ferguson & Anna Robins in Sussex > Co., NJ on 4-11-1803. Agree with Barbara regarding her ancestor Anna > Robins Ferguson being the daughter of Isaac & Bathsheba Robins. Anna > Robins Ferguson died on 5-18-1862 & is buried at Old Darby Cemetery, > Unionville, Union Co., OH. > Posted by: "Moria Mclean" mclean811@... > Date: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:37 am ((PDT)) > > I posted about my 4th g-grandmother Anna Robins who married William > Ferguson april 10 1803. > > Thanks to Sara, I am assigning her parents as Issac and Bathsheba Hummell > Robins. Sara does point out there is no proof but is instead a strong > possibility. My Anna moved to OH after her husband died in 1845. She > died in 1862 > > Warmly, Barbara- California > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... > > [robbinsfamilysociety] > > > > Recently there was a posting here saying Ann ROBINS (dau of Isaac > > ROBINS & Bathsheba HUMMEL) married William FERGUSON in 1803 in Sussex > > Co, NJ. There was a question as to where the info came from and a > > reference was made to message #1590 (a past posting to this group). > > > > Message #1590 does show some info but it doesn't name William FERGUSON > > as the spouse of Ann ROBINS. > > > > Does anyone know where the marriage info came from? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1856 Sender:Moria Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-10-14 02:44:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS / FERGUSON Message: The Ferguson names can also be found on several websites on Ancestry.com. They seem to live in York, Berks and Lancaster PA and then move to OH Bathshaba 1803 NJ have not found a thing under bathsheba or barbara Elizabeth Anna 1806 PA-1872 OH Andrew Ferguson 1805 PA died in infancy William Barklie (perhaps Barclay) 1809 PA-1854??? John Robin 1811 PA-1896 OH Grant (Ville) 1814 PA perhaps died in infancy Joseph Kincaid 1816 PA 1902 OH Daniel 1818 PA aft 1880 OH wesley Willaim 1820 PA 1889 Andrew Jackson 1827 PA 1901 OH three of the grandchildren were names Isaac\ The names are from a family bible that was copied and the original is lost. I don't have faith in the birthdates and think a child is missing. handed down. The middle names of Kincaid and Barclay are of great interest to me. I keep trying to attach to Archibald Craig and the Barclays from NJ but to no avail. I am safe from the fires, greaful that it's not me.........however my son is a CAL fire fighter and I always worry. Thank you for asking. Barbara/Moira - On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Thanks Barbara and Sara. > > Can you tell me the names of the children of William FERGUSON & Anna > ROBINS? > > Barbara ... I sure hope you're not near any of the fires. > > > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > > Date: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:02 am ((PDT)) > > > > There is a marriage record for William Ferguson & Anna Robins in Sussex > > Co., NJ on 4-11-1803. Agree with Barbara regarding her ancestor Anna > > Robins Ferguson being the daughter of Isaac & Bathsheba Robins. Anna > > Robins Ferguson died on 5-18-1862 & is buried at Old Darby Cemetery, > > Unionville, Union Co., OH. > > > Posted by: "Moria Mclean" mclean811@... > > Date: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:37 am ((PDT)) > > > > I posted about my 4th g-grandmother Anna Robins who married William > > Ferguson april 10 1803. > > > > Thanks to Sara, I am assigning her parents as Issac and Bathsheba > Hummell > > Robins. Sara does point out there is no proof but is instead a strong > > possibility. My Anna moved to OH after her husband died in 1845. She > > died in 1862 > > > > Warmly, Barbara- California > > > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... > > > [robbinsfamilysociety] > > > > > > Recently there was a posting here saying Ann ROBINS (dau of Isaac > > > ROBINS & Bathsheba HUMMEL) married William FERGUSON in 1803 in Sussex > > > Co, NJ. There was a question as to where the info came from and a > > > reference was made to message #1590 (a past posting to this group). > > > > > > Message #1590 does show some info but it doesn't name William FERGUSON > > > as the spouse of Ann ROBINS. > > > > > > Does anyone know where the marriage info came from? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@...t -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1857 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-14 09:19:26 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Message: Hi Tracey, Thanks for giving us the sequence of events known about Daniel Robins from his birth in 1692 to the deed in 1748. I have no research to add. This may be all that has been discovered for Daniel Robins son of Daniel & Mar y Parker Robins at this time. It is an area of interest that we can continue to search. This is off the Daniel Robins b. 1692 subject. However, when I noticed your source for the 1748 entry, it brought up memories of John Taylor & all the credit he deserves for the Robins, Robbins of NJ book. I would also like the group to know John Taylor, Jr. was actually the author & publisher of the book. John had the book idea for a long time & asked me to co-author with him. When he sent me the final master copy I noticed my name w as first on the cover & pointed out to John this was in error & he said OK. After he published the book he sent me a beautiful leather bound copy along with some other copies & my name was still first on the cover. I ca lled John & said, “this isn’t right, you didn’t correct the cover page, I’m the co-author.” He laughed & said “Ladies before Gentlemen.” That’s the only response I could ever get from him. I think he really enjoyed my r eaction to him pulling one over on me. John was a wonderful person & good friend to me for many years. One of the many things I will always remember is how he loved the quote by Ronald Reagan “Trust but Verify” & said it was good for genealogy too. Tracey, thank you for all your research, especially on the two Daniel Robins’ & correcting with documentation the traditional idea that Daniel Robins b. 1692 was the husband of Frances & owner of the Robins Tavern. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:53 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Hi, In another thread, Marshall asked about the parents of: -- Elizabeth ROBINS who married John MORFORD in Monmouth Co. in 1739 One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and she was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford f amily pages 596,597,598.) -- Hannah ROBINS who married James COX in Monmouth Co. in 1745 the bondsman was "Daniel ROBINS Jr." (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) I believe the father of both of these girls is the Daniel Robins born 05 Oct 1692 who lived in Monmouth Co. with his wife, Elizabeth. I don't have much information about this Daniel. I hope that others with records/info about him will post that information in replies to this thread. Daniel Robins 1692: Born 05 Oct 1692, son of Daniel Robins and Mary Parker. Source: Woodbridge And Vicinity " by Rev. Joseph W. Dally https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall 1713: -- Married before 1713, presumably if daughter Elizabeth's birth date is accurate -- May 1713: Daughter Elizabeth born May 1713 (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) 1739: -- February 1739: Daughter Elizabeth marries John Morford One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I arti cle by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) --18 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to deed of Anthony King. Anthony King, yeoman, of Monmouth Co., ENJ, (son & heir of John King, yeoman, late of the same) to his mother Elizabeth King, widow £0.5, 610 acres...line of his brother Benjamin King. Signed Anthony King. Wit: John Qui cksall, Daniel Robins, & Edon Beakes. (Source: West Jersey New Jersey Deed Records 1721-1776, Complied by John David Davis, Heritage Books, 2016, page 96.) -- 20 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to will of Elizabeth King. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswi cks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix's husband was bound for (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. (Source: Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Administrations, Etc, Volume 30 https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ &pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en &sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEITzAG#v=onepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false) 1745: Nov 1745: Marriage of Hannah Robins to James Cox, with Daniel Robins Jr as bondsman. # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) 1748: Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not r ecorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizabeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... (Source: Robins Robbins of New Jersey, Author Sara Robbins Hoffman, Publisher Taylor, 2006) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1858 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-14 11:17:23 Subject:Found 2 possible DNA testers. Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Lamont and Clarence. Lamont is in Washington State a nd Clarence in North Carolina. They are sons of Gordon who is son of Fredrick Hugh who we called Hugh who is a son of John Wesley who died in Burt County Nebraska who is the youngest son of John Dildine. I have little idea of how to approach them. My friend would be their first cousin. I will look them up, not on my radar but I remember talk of a Gordon. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1859 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-10-14 12:33:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Message: Thanks for those kind words Sara. John Taylor did SO much work and it has helped us all so much! I don't always agree with some of his conclusions :-) -- but his records compilation is so very very valuable! Tracey On 10/14/2017 11:19 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Tracey, Thanks for giving us the sequence of events known about Daniel Robins from his birth in 1692 to the deed in 1748. I have no research to add. This may be all that has been discovered for Daniel Robins son of Daniel & Mary Parker Robins at this time. It is an area of interest that we can continue to search. This is off the Daniel Robins b. 1692 subject. However, when I noticed your source for the 1748 entry, it brought up memories of John Taylor & all the credit he deserves for the Robins, Robbins of NJ book. I would also like the group to know John Taylor, Jr. was actually the author & publisher of the book. John had the book idea for a long time & asked me to co-author with him. When he sent me the final master copy I noticed my name was first on the cover & pointed out to John this was in error & he said OK. After he published the book he sent me a beautiful leather bound copy along with some other copies & my name was still first on the cover. I called John & said, “this isn’t right, you didn’t correct the cover page, I’m the co-author.” He laughed & said “Ladies before Gentlemen.” That’s the only response I could ever get from him. I think he really enjoyed my reaction to him pulling one over on me. John was a wonderful person & good friend to me for many years. One of the many things I will always remember is how he loved the quote by Ronald Reagan “Trust but Verify” & said it was good for genealogy too. Tracey, thank you for all your research, especially on the two Daniel Robins’ & correcting with documentation the traditional idea that Daniel Robins b. 1692 was the husband of Frances & owner of the Robins Tavern. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:53 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Hi, In another thread, Marshall asked about the parents of: -- Elizabeth ROBINS who married John MORFORD in Monmouth Co. in 1739 One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and she was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) -- Hannah ROBINS who married James COX in Monmouth Co. in 1745 the bondsman was "Daniel ROBINS Jr." (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) I believe the father of both of these girls is the Daniel Robins born 05 Oct 1692 who lived in Monmouth Co. with his wife, Elizabeth. I don't have much information about this Daniel. I hope that others with records/info about him will post that information in replies to this thread. Daniel Robins 1692: Born 05 Oct 1692, son of Daniel Robins and Mary Parker. Source: Woodbridge And Vicinity " by Rev. Joseph W. Dally https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall 1713: -- Married before 1713, presumably if daughter Elizabeth's birth date is accurate -- May 1713: Daughter Elizabeth born May 1713 (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) 1739: -- February 1739: Daughter Elizabeth marries John Morford One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) --18 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to deed of Anthony King. Anthony King, yeoman, of Monmouth Co., ENJ, (son & heir of John King, yeoman, late of the same) to his mother Elizabeth King, widow £0.5, 610 acres...line of his brother Benjamin King. Signed Anthony King. Wit: John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, & Edon Beakes. (Source: West Jersey New Jersey Deed Records 1721-1776, Complied by John David Davis, Heritage Books, 2016, page 96.) -- 20 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to will of Elizabeth King. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswicks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix's husband was bound for (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. (Source: Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Administrations, Etc, Volume 30 https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEIT zAG#v=onepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false) 1745: Nov 1745: Marriage of Hannah Robins to James Cox, with Daniel Robins Jr as bondsman. # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) 1748: Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizabeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... (Source: Robins Robbins of New Jersey, Author Sara Robbins Hoffman, Publisher Taylor, 2006) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1860 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-14 12:48:21 Subject:DNA Candidates Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I will fill out family group sheets or pedigree toni ght. I would contribute $20 toward the cost. I don't know exactly what the cost is. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1861 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-14 15:41:47 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Message: Tracey, Well said. John’s contribution to Robbins research will be of value for many years to come. John was a reasonable man & I believe if you had been able to present why you disagreed with his conclusions he would have resp ected your point of view & maybe agreed with you. Maybe, can’t say for sure. :>) Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 12:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Thanks for those kind words Sara. John Taylor did SO much work and it has helped us all so much! I don't always agree with some of his conclusions :-) -- but his records compilation is so very very valuable! Tracey On 10/14/2017 11:19 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Tracey, Thanks for giving us the sequence of events known about Daniel Robins from his birth in 1692 to the deed in 1748. I have no research to add. This may be all that has been discovered for Daniel Robins son of Daniel & Mar y Parker Robins at this time. It is an area of interest that we can continue to search. This is off the Daniel Robins b. 1692 subject. However, when I noticed your source for the 1748 entry, it brought up memories of John Taylor & all the credit he deserves for the Robins, Robbins of NJ book. I would also like the group to know John Taylor, Jr. was actually the author & publisher of the book. John had the book idea for a long time & asked me to co-author with him. When he sent me the final master copy I noticed my name w as first on the cover & pointed out to John this was in error & he said OK. After he published the book he sent me a beautiful leather bound copy along with some other copies & my name was still first on the cover. I ca lled John & said, “this isn’t right, you didn’t correct the cover page, I’m the co-author.” He laughed & said “Ladies before Gentlemen.” That’s the only response I could ever get from him. I think he really enjoyed my r eaction to him pulling one over on me. John was a wonderful person & good friend to me for many years. One of the many things I will always remember is how he loved the quote by Ronald Reagan “Trust but Verify” & said it was good for genealogy too. Tracey, thank you for all your research, especially on the two Daniel Robins’ & correcting with documentation the traditional idea that Daniel Robins b. 1692 was the husband of Frances & owner of the Robins Tavern. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:53 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Hi, In another thread, Marshall asked about the parents of: -- Elizabeth ROBINS who married John MORFORD in Monmouth Co. in 1739 One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and she was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford f amily pages 596,597,598.) -- Hannah ROBINS who married James COX in Monmouth Co. in 1745 the bondsman was "Daniel ROBINS Jr." (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) I believe the father of both of these girls is the Daniel Robins born 05 Oct 1692 who lived in Monmouth Co. with his wife, Elizabeth. I don't have much information about this Daniel. I hope that others with records/info about him will post that information in replies to this thread. Daniel Robins 1692: Born 05 Oct 1692, son of Daniel Robins and Mary Parker. Source: Woodbridge And Vicinity " by Rev. Joseph W. Dally https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall 1713: -- Married before 1713, presumably if daughter Elizabeth's birth date is accurate -- May 1713: Daughter Elizabeth born May 1713 (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) 1739: -- February 1739: Daughter Elizabeth marries John Morford One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I arti cle by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) --18 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to deed of Anthony King. Anthony King, yeoman, of Monmouth Co., ENJ, (son & heir of John King, yeoman, late of the same) to his mother Elizabeth King, widow £0.5, 610 acres...line of his brother Benjamin King. Signed Anthony King. Wit: John Qui cksall, Daniel Robins, & Edon Beakes. (Source: West Jersey New Jersey Deed Records 1721-1776, Complied by John David Davis, Heritage Books, 2016, page 96.) -- 20 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to will of Elizabeth King. 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswi cks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, £20 towards paying debt testatrix's husband was bound for (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. 1741, March 30. Inventory (£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards . Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. (Source: Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Administrations, Etc, Volume 30 https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ &pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en &sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEITzAG#v=onepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false) 1745: Nov 1745: Marriage of Hannah Robins to James Cox, with Daniel Robins Jr as bondsman. # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the same place, spinster... [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) 1748: Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not r ecorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizabeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... (Source: Robins Robbins of New Jersey, Author Sara Robbins Hoffman, Publisher Taylor, 2006) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1862 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-14 20:02:34 Subject:Re: Found 2 possible DNA testers. Message: Just a quick question. What test would these people take? And if I am reading your post correctly, these would be the Dildine male line, not a Robbins? What exactly are you trying to prove with a DNA test? If a Y match to Robbins, sadly, that won't happen. You could go with Autosomal family finder or Ancestry, but that's a real shot in the dark. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1863 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-14 21:09:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Found 2 possible DNA testers. Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } These would be the Joshua Robbins line. Joshua Ro bbins, John D. Robbins, John Wesley Robbins, Fredrick Hugh Robbins, Gordan Hugh Robbins, Clarence Robbins or Lamont Robbins. We would have to find out which test would be best, the cost. I think there is a Robbins DNA group that would have the information. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, October 14, 2017, 10:02 PM, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Just a quick question. What test would these people take? And if I am reading your post correctly, these would be the Dildine male line, not a Robbins? What exactly are you trying to prove with a DNA test? If a Y match to Robbins, sadly, that won't happen. 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Message: Kathy, I wish you success. I believe the correct link is below. I think the Y-DNA37 would be a good choice for $150.00. There have been offers in the past to help with the cost, including yours. I know the entire cost coul d be covered because I’m willing to contribute whatever amount would be required. https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Robbins Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 12:09 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Found 2 possible DNA testers. These would be the Joshua Robbins line. Joshua Robbins, John D. Robbins, John Wesley Robbins, Fredrick Hugh Robbins, Gordan Hugh Robbins, Clarence Robbins or Lamont Robbins. We would have to find out which test woul d be best, the cost. I think there is a Robbins DNA group that would have the information. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, October 14, 2017, 10:02 PM, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Just a quick question. What test would these people take? And if I am reading your post correctly, these would be the Dildine male line, not a Robbins? What exactly are you trying to prove with a DNA test? If a Y mat ch to Robbins, sadly, that won't happen. You could go with Autosomal family finder or Ancestry, but that's a real shot in the dark. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1865 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-15 09:18:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS / FERGUSON Message: Thanks for the children, Barbara. I hope your son stays safe. > The Ferguson names can also be found on several websites on Ancestry.com. > They seem to live in York, Berks and Lancaster PA and then move to OH > > Bathshaba 1803 NJ have not found a thing under bathsheba or > barbara > Elizabeth Anna 1806 PA-1872 OH > Andrew Ferguson 1805 PA died in infancy > William Barklie (perhaps Barclay) 1809 PA-1854??? > John Robin 1811 PA-1896 OH > Grant (Ville) 1814 PA perhaps died in infancy > Joseph Kincaid 1816 PA 1902 OH > Daniel 1818 PA aft 1880 OH > wesley Willaim 1820 PA 1889 > Andrew Jackson 1827 PA 1901 OH > > three of the grandchildren were names Isaac\ > The names are from a family bible that was copied and the original is lost. > I don't have faith in the birthdates and think a child is missing. handed > down. > > The middle names of Kincaid and Barclay are of great interest to me. I > keep trying to attach to Archibald Craig and the Barclays from NJ but to no > avail. > > I am safe from the fires, greaful that it's not me.........however my son > is a CAL fire fighter and I always worry. Thank you for asking. > > Barbara/Moira -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1866 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-15 10:07:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS / FERGUSON Message: William died July 14, 1845, in Lancaster, PA, aged 71 – 8 – 18 (If I read it right) William’s occupation was such that they moved around, a surveyor maybe. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 12:18 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS / FERGUSON Thanks for the children, Barbara. I hope your son stays safe. > The Ferguson names can also be found on several websites on Ancestry.com. > They seem to live in York, Berks and Lancaster PA and then move to OH > > Bathshaba 1803 NJ have not found a thing under bathsheba or > barbara > Elizabeth Anna 1806 PA-1872 OH > Andrew Ferguson 1805 PA died in infancy > William Barklie (perhaps Barclay) 1809 PA-1854??? > John Robin 1811 PA-1896 OH > Grant (Ville) 1814 PA perhaps died in infancy > Joseph Kincaid 1816 PA 1902 OH > Daniel 1818 PA aft 1880 OH > wesley Willaim 1820 PA 1889 > Andrew Jackson 1827 PA 1901 OH > > three of the grandchildren were names Isaac\ > The names are from a family bible that was copied and the original is lost. > I don't have faith in the birthdates and think a child is missing. handed > down. > > The middle names of Kincaid and Barclay are of great interest to me. I > keep trying to attach to Archibald Craig and the Barclays from NJ but to no > avail. > > I am safe from the fires, greaful that it's not me.........however my son > is a CAL fire fighter and I always worry. Thank you for asking. > > Barbara/Moira -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1867 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-15 10:23:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Message: I don't have any additional records. But, I have a questions/comments ... Do we know that Elizabeth and Hannah are siblings? If so, how? Daniel ROBINS Jr being the bondsman in the marriage bond for Hannah ROBINS is very telling. I agree, Tracey, that these records point to Daniel ROBINS (b 1692 Woodbridge) being the father. > In another thread, Marshall asked about the parents of: > -- Elizabeth ROBINS who married John MORFORD in Monmouth Co. in 1739 > One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and she was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > -- Hannah ROBINS who married James COX in Monmouth Co. in 1745 the bondsman was > "Daniel ROBINS Jr." (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) > > I believe the father of both of these girls is the Daniel Robins born 05 Oct 1692 who lived in Monmouth Co. with his wife, Elizabeth. > > I don't have much information about this Daniel. I hope that others with records/info about him will post that information in replies to this thread. > > Daniel Robins > 1692: > Born 05 Oct 1692, son of Daniel Robins and Mary Parker. Source: Woodbridge And Vicinity " by Rev. Joseph W. Dally https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall > > 1713: > -- Married before 1713, presumably if daughter Elizabeth's birth date is accurate > -- May 1713: Daughter Elizabeth born May 1713 (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > 1739: > -- February 1739: Daughter Elizabeth marries John Morford One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I art icle by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > --18 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to deed of Anthony King. > Anthony King, yeoman, of Monmouth Co., ENJ, (son & heir of John King, yeoman, late of the same) to his mother Elizabeth King, widow ???£0.5, 610 acres...line of his brother Benjamin King. Signed Anthony King. Wit: Joh n Quicksall, Daniel Robins, & Edon Beakes. > (Source: West Jersey New Jersey Deed Records 1721-1776, Complied by John David Davis, Heritage Books, 2016, page 96.) > > -- 20 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to will of Elizabeth King. > 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Cross wicks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, ???£20 towards paying debt testatrix's husband was bound for (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors sons (Anth ony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. > 1741, March 30. Inventory (???£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine b oards. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. > (Source: Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Administrations, Etc, Volume 30 > https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEITzAG#v=o nepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en& sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEITzAG#v=onepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false) > > 1745: > Nov 1745: Marriage of Hannah Robins to James Cox, with Daniel Robins Jr as bondsman. > > # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same > place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. > ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the > same place, spinster... > [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD > [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that > there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be > taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] > (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) > > 1748: > Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizabeth h is wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... > (Source: Robins Robbins of New Jersey, Author Sara Robbins Hoffman, Publisher Taylor, 2006) -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1868 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-10-15 10:54:27 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS / FERGUSON Message: Barbara, I have a Bessie Robbins who married Harry Ferguson and they lived in Minnesota, a son, Robert lived on the West coast, maybe Wa. If you think there's a connection, I'll dig further. My aunt said she had the f amily tree.. Bessie was the daughter of Edward 1836-1846 and Vestalina Robbins . Shirley Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1869 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-10-15 10:58:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS / FERGUSON Message: Sorry I made a big mistake on Edwards dates, should read 1836-1876. Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1870 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-15 15:45:49 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Found 2 possible DNA testers. Message: Yes, the 37 is a good starting point, and that link is the correct path. Once you have joined the project, there's a forum built into the site that supports the Robbins group there as well. If one has a kit at FTDNA, whether it's Y DNA or Autosomal, you can also join the Robbins group as well. Just go to your home page at FTDNA, anc click on Projects, or use the link below. https://www.familytreedna.com/my/group-join.aspx https://www.familytreedna.com/my/group-join.aspx There's info there sometimes for the Robbins lines. Check it out. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1871 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-16 05:10:18 Subject:Joshua Robbins/Jane Dildine Message: I've been looking for evidence that Joshua's wife, Jane, was a Dildine. I've just discovered that I've been in possession of such evidence. I feel both somewhat stupid and also very pleased. I have a copy of a Bible page, that I kindly received from Jim Faus a number of years ago: From the Thomas Faus Family Bible: Births Thomas Faus was born the Fourteenth day of November in the Year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and three in Whitehall Township Northampton County And State of Pennsylvania. Rachel Robbins wife of Thomas Faus was born Oct. 1st In the Year of our Lord one thousand and seven. Marriages Thomas Faus was married on the first day of November in the Year of our Lord one Thousand Eight hundred and twenty seven To Wife Rachel Robbins, a daughter of Joshua Robbins and his wife Jane, Born a Dildine, In Frankl in Township, Lycoming County And Sate of Pennsylvania. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1872 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-16 09:50:20 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Message: Marshall, I can’t say with any certainty that Elizabeth Robins Morford & Hannah Robins Cox were sisters. It seems most likely Elizabeth Robins Morford was the daughter of Daniel Robins b. 1692 so agree with this theory on Elizabe th. Daniel Robins, Jr. named as bondsman on the marriage record for Hannah Robins to James Cox., Jr. & is thought to be the father of Hannah Robins. However, I don’t believe we can rule out other possibilities. One is Hanna h Robins was the daughter of Jacob Robins b. abt. 1698 , d. 1774 in Monmouth Co., NJ & his wife Williamity. Hannah b. abt. 1726 is mentioned as the daughter of Jacob Robins recorded in the ledger of Dr. James Newell of Monmouth Co. Dr. Newell treated the children of Jacob Robins. This Hannah was the granddaughter of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins. Hannah Robins had a brother Joseph Robins b. abt. 1720 & d. aft. 1773. A Joseph Robins witn essed the Will of James Cox, Jr. in 1753 & took his inventory. James Cox, Jr. was the son of James & Ann Cox, Sr., a wealthy man in Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., NJ. James Cox, Jr.‘s second wife was Elizabeth Fenton. Jacob Robins had a brother Nathaniel Robins b. abt. 1696 & d. 1739, wife named Sarah. I have very little information on Nathaniel Robins son of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins. From the 1753 Will of James Cox, Jr. he had tw o children by Hannah Robins, Nathaniel & John. Another possibility is Hannah could have been the daughter of Nathaniel Robins b. abt. 1696. James Cox, Sr. married as his second wife Rebecca Stillwell widow of Ebenezer S alter. Ebenezer & Rebecca Stillwell were the parents of Meribah Salter wife of Joseph Robins b. abt. 1745, d. 1786. This Joseph was the son of Hannah’s brother Joseph Robins b. 1720. I don’t know how this all fits toget her. Right now, it seems to me there are too many family ties to the line of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins for Hannah Robins Cox & her husband James Cox, Jr. to assign Hannah Robins as the daughter of Daniel Robins, Jr. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 10:24 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. I don't have any additional records. But, I have a questions/comments ... Do we know that Elizabeth and Hannah are siblings? If so, how? Daniel ROBINS Jr being the bondsman in the marriage bond for Hannah ROBINS is very telling. I agree, Tracey, that these records point to Daniel ROBINS (b 1692 Woodbridge) being the father. > In another thread, Marshall asked about the parents of: > -- Elizabeth ROBINS who married John MORFORD in Monmouth Co. in 1739 > One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and she was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > -- Hannah ROBINS who married James COX in Monmouth Co. in 1745 the bondsman was > "Daniel ROBINS Jr." (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) > > I believe the father of both of these girls is the Daniel Robins born 05 Oct 1692 who lived in Monmouth Co. with his wife, Elizabeth. > > I don't have much information about this Daniel. I hope that others with records/info about him will post that information in replies to this thread. > > Daniel Robins > 1692: > Born 05 Oct 1692, son of Daniel Robins and Mary Parker. Source: Woodbridge And Vicinity " by Rev. Joseph W. Dally https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall > > 1713: > -- Married before 1713, presumably if daughter Elizabeth's birth date is accurate > -- May 1713: Daughter Elizabeth born May 1713 (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > 1739: > -- February 1739: Daughter Elizabeth marries John Morford One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I arti cle by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > --18 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to deed of Anthony King. > Anthony King, yeoman, of Monmouth Co., ENJ, (son & heir of John King, yeoman, late of the same) to his mother Elizabeth King, widow ???£0.5, 610 acres...line of his brother Benjamin King. Signed Anthony King. Wit: Joh n Quicksall, Daniel Robins, & Edon Beakes. > (Source: West Jersey New Jersey Deed Records 1721-1776, Complied by John David Davis, Heritage Books, 2016, page 96.) > > -- 20 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to will of Elizabeth King. > 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crossw icks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, ???£20 towards paying debt testatrix's husband was bound for (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors sons (Anthon y, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. > 1741, March 30. Inventory (???£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine b oards. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. > (Source: Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Administrations, Etc, Volume 30 > https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEITzAG#v=o nepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en& sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEITzAG#v=onepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false) > > 1745: > Nov 1745: Marriage of Hannah Robins to James Cox, with Daniel Robins Jr as bondsman. > > # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same > place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. > ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the > same place, spinster... > [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD > [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that > there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be > taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] > (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) > > 1748: > Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizabeth hi s wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... > (Source: Robins Robbins of New Jersey, Author Sara Robbins Hoffman, Publisher Taylor, 2006) -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1873 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-10-16 11:43:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Message: Good sleuthing Sara! I agree about Hannah. It sure looks like she's related to Joseph's line. On 10/16/2017 11:50 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, I can’t say with any certainty that Elizabeth Robins Morford & Hannah Robins Cox were sisters. It seems most likely Elizabeth Robins Morford was the daughter of Daniel Robins b. 1692 so agree with this theory on Elizabeth. Daniel Robins, Jr. named as bondsman on the marriage record for Hannah Robins to James Cox., Jr. & is thought to be the father of Hannah Robins. However, I don’t believe we can rule out other possibilities. One is Hannah Robins was the daughter of Jacob Robins b. abt. 1698 , d. 1774 in Monmouth Co., NJ & his wife Williamity. Hannah b. abt. 1726 is mentioned as the daughter of Jacob Robins recorded in the ledger of Dr. James Newell of Monmouth Co. Dr. Newell treated the children of Jacob Robins. This Hannah was the granddaughter of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins. Hannah Robins had a brother Joseph Robins b. abt. 1720 & d. aft. 1773. A Joseph Robins witnessed the Will of James Cox, Jr. in 1753 & took his inventory. James Cox, Jr. was the son of James & Ann Cox, Sr., a wealthy man in Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., NJ. James Cox, Jr.‘s second wife was Elizabeth Fenton. Jacob Robins had a brother Nathaniel Robins b. abt. 1696 & d. 1739, wife named Sarah. I have very little information on Nathaniel Robins son of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins. From the 1753 Will of James Cox, Jr. he had two children by Hannah Robins, Nathaniel & John. Another possibility is Hannah could have been the daughter of Nathaniel Robins b. abt. 1696. James Cox, Sr. married as his second wife Rebecca Stillwell widow of Ebenezer Salter. Ebenezer & Rebecca Stillwell were the parents of Meribah Salter wife of Joseph Robins b. abt. 1745, d. 1786. This Joseph was the son of Hannah’s brother Joseph Robins b. 1720. I don’t know how this all fits together. Right now, it seems to me there are too many family ties to the line of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins for Hannah Robins Cox & her husband James Cox, Jr. to assign Hannah Robins as the daughter of Daniel Robins, Jr. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 10:24 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. I don't have any additional records. But, I have a questions/comments ... Do we know that Elizabeth and Hannah are siblings? If so, how? Daniel ROBINS Jr being the bondsman in the marriage bond for Hannah ROBINS is very telling. I agree, Tracey, that these records point to Daniel ROBINS (b 1692 Woodbridge) being the father. > In another thread, Marshall asked about the parents of: > -- Elizabeth ROBINS who married John MORFORD in Monmouth Co. in 1739 > One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and she was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > -- Hannah ROBINS who married James COX in Monmouth Co. in 1745 the bondsman was > "Daniel ROBINS Jr." (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) > > I believe the father of both of these girls is the Daniel Robins born 05 Oct 1692 who lived in Monmouth Co. with his wife, Elizabeth. > > I don't have much information about this Daniel. I hope that others with records/info about him will post that information in replies to this thread. > > Daniel Robins > 1692: > Born 05 Oct 1692, son of Daniel Robins and Mary Parker. Source: Woodbridge And Vicinity " by Rev. Joseph W. Dally https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall > > 1713: > -- Married before 1713, presumably if daughter Elizabeth's birth date is accurate > -- May 1713: Daughter Elizabeth born May 1713 (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > 1739: > -- February 1739: Daughter Elizabeth marries John Morford One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > --18 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to deed of Anthony King. > Anthony King, yeoman, of Monmouth Co., ENJ, (son & heir of John King, yeoman, late of the same) to his mother Elizabeth King, widow ???£0.5, 610 acres...line of his brother Benjamin King. Signed Anthony King. Wit: John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, & Edon Beakes. > (Source: West Jersey New Jersey Deed Records 1721-1776, Complied by John David Davis, Heritage Books, 2016, page 96.) > > -- 20 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to will of Elizabeth King. > 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crosswicks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, ???£20 towards paying debt testatrix's husband was bound for (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors sons (Anthony, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. > 1741, March 30. Inventory (???£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine boards. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. > (Source: Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Administrations, Etc, Volume 30 > https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEIT zAG#v=onepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEIT zAG#v=onepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false) > > 1745: > Nov 1745: Marriage of Hannah Robins to James Cox, with Daniel Robins Jr as bondsman. > > # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same > place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. > ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the > same place, spinster... > [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD > [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that > there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be > taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] > (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) > > 1748: > Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizabeth his wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... > (Source: Robins Robbins of New Jersey, Author Sara Robbins Hoffman, Publisher Taylor, 2006) -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1874 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-16 17:17:09 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Message: Tracey, Thanks for your expert opinion regarding Hannah Robins Cox. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 11:43 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. Good sleuthing Sara! I agree about Hannah. It sure looks like she's related to Joseph's line. On 10/16/2017 11:50 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, I can’t say with any certainty that Elizabeth Robins Morford & Hannah Robins Cox were sisters. It seems most likely Elizabeth Robins Morford was the daughter of Daniel Robins b. 1692 so agree with this theory on Elizabe th. Daniel Robins, Jr. named as bondsman on the marriage record for Hannah Robins to James Cox., Jr. & is thought to be the father of Hannah Robins. However, I don’t believe we can rule out other possibilities. One is Hanna h Robins was the daughter of Jacob Robins b. abt. 1698 , d. 1774 in Monmouth Co., NJ & his wife Williamity. Hannah b. abt. 1726 is mentioned as the daughter of Jacob Robins recorded in the ledger of Dr. James Newell of Monmouth Co. Dr. Newell treated the children of Jacob Robins. This Hannah was the granddaughter of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins. Hannah Robins had a brother Joseph Robins b. abt. 1720 & d. aft. 1773. A Joseph Robins witn essed the Will of James Cox, Jr. in 1753 & took his inventory. James Cox, Jr. was the son of James & Ann Cox, Sr., a wealthy man in Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., NJ. James Cox, Jr.‘s second wife was Elizabeth Fenton. Jacob Robins had a brother Nathaniel Robins b. abt. 1696 & d. 1739, wife named Sarah. I have very little information on Nathaniel Robins son of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins. From the 1753 Will of James Cox, Jr. he had tw o children by Hannah Robins, Nathaniel & John. Another possibility is Hannah could have been the daughter of Nathaniel Robins b. abt. 1696. James Cox, Sr. married as his second wife Rebecca Stillwell widow of Ebenezer S alter. Ebenezer & Rebecca Stillwell were the parents of Meribah Salter wife of Joseph Robins b. abt. 1745, d. 1786. This Joseph was the son of Hannah’s brother Joseph Robins b. 1720. I don’t know how this all fits toget her. Right now, it seems to me there are too many family ties to the line of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins for Hannah Robins Cox & her husband James Cox, Jr. to assign Hannah Robins as the daughter of Daniel Robins, Jr. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 10:24 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins b. 05 Oct 1692, wife Elizabeth, lived in Monmouth Co. I don't have any additional records. But, I have a questions/comments ... Do we know that Elizabeth and Hannah are siblings? If so, how? Daniel ROBINS Jr being the bondsman in the marriage bond for Hannah ROBINS is very telling. I agree, Tracey, that these records point to Daniel ROBINS (b 1692 Woodbridge) being the father. > In another thread, Marshall asked about the parents of: > -- Elizabeth ROBINS who married John MORFORD in Monmouth Co. in 1739 > One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and she was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > -- Hannah ROBINS who married James COX in Monmouth Co. in 1745 the bondsman was > "Daniel ROBINS Jr." (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) > > I believe the father of both of these girls is the Daniel Robins born 05 Oct 1692 who lived in Monmouth Co. with his wife, Elizabeth. > > I don't have much information about this Daniel. I hope that others with records/info about him will post that information in replies to this thread. > > Daniel Robins > 1692: > Born 05 Oct 1692, son of Daniel Robins and Mary Parker. Source: Woodbridge And Vicinity " by Rev. Joseph W. Dally https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall https://archive.org/details/woodbridgevicini00dall > > 1713: > -- Married before 1713, presumably if daughter Elizabeth's birth date is accurate > -- May 1713: Daughter Elizabeth born May 1713 (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I, article by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > 1739: > -- February 1739: Daughter Elizabeth marries John Morford One source says she was the daughter of "Daniel ROBINS of Upper Freehold" and was born around May 1713. (Source: Genealogies of New Jersey Families Vol. I arti cle by Enid Eleanor Adams, F. A. S. G. on the Morford family pages 596,597,598.) > > --18 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to deed of Anthony King. > Anthony King, yeoman, of Monmouth Co., ENJ, (son & heir of John King, yeoman, late of the same) to his mother Elizabeth King, widow ???£0.5, 610 acres...line of his brother Benjamin King. Signed Anthony King. Wit: Joh n Quicksall, Daniel Robins, & Edon Beakes. > (Source: West Jersey New Jersey Deed Records 1721-1776, Complied by John David Davis, Heritage Books, 2016, page 96.) > > -- 20 Nov 1739: Daniel Robins, witness to will of Elizabeth King. > 1739, Nov. 20. King, Elizabeth, of Monmouth Co., widow; will of. Son, Harmanus, 102 acres, bounded by Edmund Beakes, Crosswicks Creek and Peter Sonman. Son, William, plantation where testatrix lives, bounded by Crossw icks Creek and Anthony King. Daughter, Mary, ???£20 towards paying debt testatrix's husband was bound for (her) husband at Philadelphia. Children Hannah, Elizabeth, Samuel and Joseph, when of age. Executors sons (Anthon y, crossed off), John, Benjamin, Harmanus and William. Witnesses John Quicksall, Daniel Robins, and Edmund Beakes. Proved March 31, 1741. Lib. 4, p. 306. > 1741, March 30. Inventory (???£460.11.03) includes debts, bonds, etc., from Harmanus, Thomas, Anthony, Benjamin and William King, William Woodward and John Quicksall. Due from Jon. Barker at his mill, 5,000 ft. pine b oards. Made by John Quicksall and Robert Montgomerie. > (Source: Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Administrations, Etc, Volume 30 > https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ &pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl= en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEITzAG#v=onepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=xk0OAAAAIAAJ &pg =PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=King,+Elizabeth+Monmouth+wills&source=bl&ots=AgENmlLD3a&sig=k9rfdRoRICIEx0wuAjuyzBsEcbs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF55qkl-_WAhUCKCYKHVvnCi0Q6AEITzAG#v=onepage&q=King%2C%20Elizabeth%20Monmouth%20wills&f=f alse) > > 1745: > Nov 1745: Marriage of Hannah Robins to James Cox, with Daniel Robins Jr as bondsman. > > # 44; James COX of the County of Monmouth, Carpenter, and Daniel ROBINS Jr of the same > place, Husbandman... [bound to]... Lewis MORRIS... Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Nov 1745. > ... James COX, Minor... obtained license of marriage for himself and for Hannah ROBINS of the > same place, spinster... > [w] Jo's SCATTERGOOD > [note: as there is no note of consent accompanying the bond, the title "minor" may indicate that > there is another James COX of more social prominence in the same county. It should not be > taken to mean that James COX is under legal age.] > (Source: http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt http://files.usgwarchives.net/nj/statewide/vitals/marriages/njmarc1.txt) > > 1748: > Monmouth County E.J. deed A-3 page 42, Daniel sold his Upper Freehold land [got from his father in 1723] on 6/20/1748 to Wm Hutcheson. Witnesses were Martha & Wm Lawrence, John Robins and David Jaron. The deed was not recorded until 15 yers later on 13 April 1763. At the end of the deed "Personally appeared before me Martha Lawrence on her qualification declares that she see the within Deeds execute by Daniel Robins and Elizabeth hi s wife for the within mentioned acknowledged before me April the first one thousand seven hundred and sixty three." Signed Robert Montgomere, one of the Judges ... > (Source: Robins Robbins of New Jersey, Author Sara Robbins Hoffman, Publisher Taylor, 2006) -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1875 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-18 16:24:10 Subject:Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: I hadn't noticed this until now ... A while back I posted the following message: BEGIN There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. Up to this point I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. END Sara was kind enough to respond with: BEGIN From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:50 PM Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan & Thomas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. Source: NJ Wills & Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler Phyllis B. D�Autrechy. END And Garry was kind enough to follow up with: BEGIN Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@... Date: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:15 am ((PDT)) I didn�t record a source but I have William�s birthday as 24 Feb, 1725. Son Jonathan was born 26 March, 1762, died 15 January, 1818. END Since the Jonathan ROBINS referred to by Sara & Garry died in 1818, he can't be the Jonathan who married Margaret CASE in 1820. So, who is the Jonathan ROBINS who married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1876 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-10-18 17:50:31 Subject:Hunterdon County Historical Society Message: Hello all, Not sure if this pertains Daniel Robins descendants or of interest to any one. Apparently they are releasing a collection of the Robbins family papers of Bloomsbury, NJ. https://www.facebook.com/hunterdonhistory/posts/1836176609756096 This is the link if interested. Best regards, Cynthia ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1877 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-18 21:09:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Check out Jonathon Robins 1793- 1872 married Margare t Case 8-Jan-1820 Bethlehem Twp, Hunterdon Cty, New Jersey. Jonathan Robins and Margaret Case, 08 Jan1820; citing Hunterdon, New Jersey, New Jersey State Archives, Trenton; FHL microfilm 818,212. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, 6:24 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I hadn't noticed this until now ... A while back I posted the following message: BEGIN There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. Up to this point I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. END Sara was kind enough to respond with: BEGIN From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:50 PM Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan & Thomas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. Source: NJ Wills & Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler Phyllis B. D’Autrechy. END And Garry was kind enough to follow up with: BEGIN Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... Date: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:15 am ((PDT)) I didn’t record a source but I have William’s birthday as 24 Feb, 1725. Son Jonathan was born 26 March, 1762, died 15 January, 1818. END Since the Jonathan ROBINS referred to by Sara & Garry died in 1818, he can't be the Jonathan who married Margaret CASE in 1820. 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Int Inventory, $1,501.46; made by Peter Vansyckel, William Nixon Sworn to by Charles Robins, Jonathan Robins, Adm'rs, Feb. 4, 1815 File 2772J Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 7:24 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 I hadn't noticed this until now ... A while back I posted the following message: BEGIN There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. Up to this point I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. END Sara was kind enough to respond with: BEGIN From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:50 PM Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan & Thomas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. Source: NJ Wills & Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler Phyllis B. DʼAutrechy. END And Garry was kind enough to follow up with: BEGIN Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net Date: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:15 am ((PDT)) I didnʼt record a source but I have Williamʼs birthday as 24 Feb, 1725. Son Jonathan was born 26 March, 1762, died 15 January, 1818. END Since the Jonathan ROBINS referred to by Sara & Garry died in 1818, he can't be the Jonathan who married Margaret CASE in 1820. So, who is the Jonathan ROBINS who married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1879 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-19 15:39:57 Subject:Jonathon Robins marriage record to Margaret Case in New Jersey marriages Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939Z-183 S-F.jpg?ctx=CrxCtxPublicAccess&header=Content-Disposition&headerValue=attachment%3B%20filename%3Drecord-image_939Z-183S-F.jpg Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1880 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-19 16:32:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } THIS COULD BE VERY WRONG but looks plausible. There are more records. I had a puppy rolling on my lap and nipping because she is teething. Going to help my uncle Frank this weekend on a farm between Janesville and Waseca MN near Mankato which I am sure you have heard o f. Waiting for clothes to dry. I am being humorous here, not sarcastic. My Jonathan Robins with one b, first baby was born in 1821, Sarah, then Peter Imly Drake, then Mary and another Sarah in 1833. Both Sarah's have no deceased date. Hunterdon Ct y. He married again in 1823 to Charity Lomping. They have 13 children. Obvious some incorrect dates for children or something. Not sure I would want to be married to this man. His father was Jonathan E Robbins/Mary Huf f 1742-1815. Hunterdon/Alexandria. Says here 15 kids. ihave a Col. Jonathon/Dorothy Biglow. 1709-1790, Alexandria Township then Lieut. Jonathon from Concord Middlesex Mass married to a Lund. Then Georgeborn in 1640 in Chelsford Mass married to Frye. Some of these people have one b in Robins and some 2. Sent New Jersey Marriage record book. There could be more names on the page before. This family had lots and lots of kids. Didn' t quite get them to the Mayflower but who knows? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, October 19, 2017, 5:22 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I’m using this record for Jonathan born abt 1762, son of Isaac and Susanna: From New Jersey Will Abstracts:1815, Feb. 2 Robins, Jonathan of Alexandria Twsp, Hunterdon Co. IntInventory, $1,501.46; made by Peter Vansyckel, William NixonSworn to by Charles Robins, Jonathan Robins, Adm'rs, Feb. 4, 1815 File 2772J Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 7:24 PMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 I hadn't noticed this until now ... A while back I posted the following message: BEGIN There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. Up to this point I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. END Sara was kind enough to respond with: BEGIN From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:50 PM Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan & Thomas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. Source: NJ Wills & Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler Phyllis B. DʼAutrechy. END And Garry was kind enough to follow up with: BEGIN Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net Date: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:15 am ((PDT)) I didnʼt record a source but I have Williamʼs birthday as 24 Feb, 1725. Son Jonathan was born 26 March, 1762, died 15 January, 1818. END Since the Jonathan ROBINS referred to by Sara & Garry died in 1818, he can't be the Jonathan who married Margaret CASE in 1820. So, who is the Jonathan ROBINS who married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv0710158972 #yiv0710158972 -- #yiv0710158972ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv0710158972 #yiv0710158972ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv0710158972 #yiv 0710158972ygrp-mkp #yiv0710158972hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv0710158972 #yiv0710158972ygrp-mkp #yiv0710158972ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv0710158972 #yiv0710158972 ygrp-mkp .yiv0710158972ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv0710158972 #yiv0710158972ygrp-mkp .yiv0710158972ad p {margin:0;}#yiv0710158972 #yiv0710158972ygrp-mkp .yiv0710158972ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0710158972 #y iv0710158972ygrp-sponsor #yiv0710158972ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv0710158972 #yiv0710158972ygrp-sponsor #yiv0710158972ygrp-lc #yiv0710158972hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv07 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He died in MI. The reason ask is because according to the Marriage Certificate, they are both from Independence Sussex Co. My William Ferguson who married Ann Robins in 1803 is from Independence and Ann from Knowlton. My only goal at the moment is to find out who the Ferguson and Robins were that lived in that area. I have no feel for the towns and don't know how close the are to each other/ Thank you, Barbara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1882 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-20 04:37:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins Message: It’s so sad that the census records for this time period have been destroyed. Independence Township is now in Warren County, NJ. The closest townships where Robbins families lived in Warrren County are Knowlton, Oxford, and Hardwick. Stillwater, Sussex County, and Lebanon, Hunterdon County are also somewhat close. Garry From: Moria Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:07 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins Would anyone know the names of the parents of John Robins born 11 oct 1788 and married Eleanor Vielt Sept 26 1811. He died in MI. The reason ask is because according to the Marriage Certificate, they are both from Independence Sussex Co. My William Ferguson who married Ann Robins in 1803 is from Independence and Ann from Knowlton. My only goal at the moment is to find out who the Ferguson and Robins were that lived in that area. I have no feel for the towns and don't know how close the are to each other/ Thank you, Barbara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1883 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-20 05:10:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins Message: Barbara, Here’s a link on the William Vliet family, I assume you didn’t mean to type ‘Vielt’. The information brings another Robbins into the mix; Wilson Vliet born 1801, brother of Eleanor, married Rachel Robbins. https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=144636483&ref=acom Garry From: Moria Mclean mclean811@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:07 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins Would anyone know the names of the parents of John Robins born 11 oct 1788 and married Eleanor Vielt Sept 26 1811. He died in MI. The reason ask is because according to the Marriage Certificate, they are both from Independence Sussex Co. My William Ferguson who married Ann Robins in 1803 is from Independence and Ann from Knowlton. My only goal at the moment is to find out who the Ferguson and Robins were that lived in that area. I have no feel for the towns and don't know how close the are to each other/ Thank you, Barbara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1884 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-20 06:55:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins Message: Sarah Robbins born abt. 1766 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ, married 1785 Joseph Heath. They moved to Schooley’s Mountain, Morris County, NJ, and are buried in Hackettstown, Independence Twp, Warren County, NJ. Who are the parents of Sarah? Daniel Robbins owned 300+ acres of land in/near Flocktown, Morris County, NJ, which is somewhat near Schooley’s Mountain and Independence Township. He sold this land to David Sovereign born 1757 near Schooley’s Mountai n. Which Daniel Robbins is this? Garry From: Moria Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:07 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins Would anyone know the names of the parents of John Robins born 11 oct 1788 and married Eleanor Vielt Sept 26 1811. He died in MI. The reason ask is because according to the Marriage Certificate, they are both from Independence Sussex Co. My William Ferguson who married Ann Robins in 1803 is from Independence and Ann from Knowlton. My only goal at the moment is to find out who the Ferguson and Robins were that lived in that area. I have no feel for the towns and don't know how close the are to each other/ Thank you, Barbara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1885 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-20 07:10:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: Thanks Garry. This is actually my line ... Isaac & Susanna ROBINS are my gggg grandparents. They are the grandparents of John/Jeremiah Johnson/Johnston, the mountain man. But, this is NOT the Jonathan ROBINS who married Margaret CASE. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net > Date: Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:22 am ((PDT)) > > I�m using this record for Jonathan born abt 1762, son of Isaac and Susanna: > > From New Jersey Will Abstracts: > 1815, Feb. 2 Robins, Jonathan of Alexandria Twsp, Hunterdon Co. Int > Inventory, $1,501.46; made by Peter Vansyckel, William Nixon > Sworn to by Charles Robins, Jonathan Robins, Adm'rs, Feb. 4, 1815 > File 2772J -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1886 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-20 07:28:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: Kathleen, What tells you that the Jonathan ROBINS who married Charity LOMPING in 1823 is the same Jonathan ROBINS who married Margaret CASE in 1820? I have 9 children for Jonathan ROBINS and Charity LOMPING: George, Moses, Jonas, Ephraim, James, Mary, Sarah, Sylvester & Elizabeth Ann. Also, what tells you the middle initial of E for the Jonathan ROBINS who married Mary HUFF? I have 12 children for Jonathan ROBINS and Mary HUFF: Susanna, Charles, Sarah, Isaac, Jonathan, Mary A, Elizabeth, James, Jonas, William, Joseph & Abigail. > Posted by: "Kathleen Crellin" ktyc14@... kty31451 > Date: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:38 pm ((PDT)) > > I am being humorous here, not sarcastic. My Jonathan Robins with one b, > first baby was born in 1821, Sarah, then Peter Imly Drake, then Mary and > another Sarah in 1833. Both Sarah's have no deceased date. Hunterdon > Cty. He married again in 1823 to Charity Lomping. They have 13 children. > Obvious some incorrect dates for children or something. Not sure I would > want to be married to this man. His father was Jonathan E Robbins/Mary > Huff 1742-1815. Hunterdon/Alexandria. Says here 15 kids. ihave a Col. > Jonathon/Dorothy Biglow. 1709-1790, Alexandria Township then Lieut. > Jonathon from Concord Middlesex Mass married to a Lund. Then Georgeborn > in 1640 in Chelsford Mass married to Frye. Some of these people have one > b in Robins and some 2. Sent New Jersey Marriage record book. There > could be more names on the page before. This family had lots and lots > of kids. Didn't quite get them to the Mayflower but who knows? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1887 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-20 07:52:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] John Robins Message: Independence and Knowlton are both townships in Warren County (Sussex County before 1824). Here's a map of Warren County which will give you an idea as to proximity ... https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3813w.la000469/ > Posted by: "Moria Mclean" mclean811@... mclean811@... > Date: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:08 pm ((PDT)) > > Would anyone know the names of the parents of John Robins born 11 oct > 1788 and married Eleanor Vielt Sept 26 1811. He died in MI. > > The reason ask is because according to the Marriage Certificate, they are > both from Independence Sussex Co. > > My William Ferguson who married Ann Robins in 1803 is from Independence > and Ann from Knowlton. > > My only goal at the moment is to find out who the Ferguson and Robins > were that lived in that area. I have no feel for the towns and don't know > how close the are to each other/ > > Thank you, Barbara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1888 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-20 08:43:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: Marshall, That’s impressive, I didn’t realize Jeremiah Johnson, the movie, was based on a true story. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 10:10 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Thanks Garry. This is actually my line ... Isaac & Susanna ROBINS are my gggg grandparents. They are the grandparents of John/Jeremiah Johnson/Johnston, the mountain man. But, this is NOT the Jonathan ROBINS who married Margaret CASE. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:22 am ((PDT)) > > Iʼm using this record for Jonathan born abt 1762, son of Isaac and Susanna: > > From New Jersey Will Abstracts: > 1815, Feb. 2 Robins, Jonathan of Alexandria Twsp, Hunterdon Co. Int > Inventory, $1,501.46; made by Peter Vansyckel, William Nixon > Sworn to by Charles Robins, Jonathan Robins, Adm'rs, Feb. 4, 1815 > File 2772J -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1889 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-20 19:29:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: There's not a lot of "truth" in the movie (as far as I know). But the movie is based upon a person who actually lived. He called himself John Johnston (they couldn't even get the title of the movie right :), but was born a Garrison in Hunterdon County, NJ. He died in 1900 in Los Angeles in an old soldiers' home, and was buried in Los Angeles. Sometime later his body was moved to Cody, Wyoming and re-buried. Robert Redford (who played his character in the movie) helped move the body. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:43 am ((PDT)) > > Marshall, > > That’s impressive, I didn’t realize Jeremiah Johnson, the movie, was > based on a true story. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1890 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-20 20:18:02 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins & Sarah Robins (Was: John Robins) Message: The best possibility as a father for Sarah that I can see is Cornelius ROBINS. Cornelius was born in Amwell Twp in 1715, and marred Sarah ------. They had 10 children, 3 sons and 7 daughters. I only have the sons' names: John, Andrew & Cornelius. The last child (or maybe next to last), Cornelius, was born in 1775. The family was living in Amwell Twp in 1768 and in Knowlton Twp in 1779 when Cornelius Sr died. Cornelius Sr is the son of John ROBINS & Elener ------. I can't even hazard a guess for Daniel. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:55 am ((PDT)) > > Sarah Robbins born abt. 1766 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ, married > 1785 Joseph Heath. > > They moved to Schooley’s Mountain, Morris County, NJ, and are buried in > Hackettstown, Independence Twp, Warren County, NJ. > > Who are the parents of Sarah? > > Daniel Robbins owned 300+ acres of land in/near Flocktown, Morris County, > NJ, which is somewhat near Schooley’s Mountain and Independence Township. > He sold this land to David Sovereign born 1757 near Schooley’s Mountain. > > Which Daniel Robbins is this? > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1891 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2017-10-20 20:37:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: I keep finding more on Johnston as I dig in history—he is an interesting character. I have yet to find a birth notice or church record of such. His sister, Matilda became the matriarch of the family similar to grandmoth er Dinah.... Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 20, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > There's not a lot of "truth" in the movie (as far as I know). But the > movie is based upon a person who actually lived. He called himself John > Johnston (they couldn't even get the title of the movie right :), but was > born a Garrison in Hunterdon County, NJ. He died in 1900 in Los Angeles in > an old soldiers' home, and was buried in Los Angeles. Sometime later his > body was moved to Cody, Wyoming and re-buried. Robert Redford (who played > his character in the movie) helped move the body. > > > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net > > Date: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:43 am ((PDT)) > > > > Marshall, > > > > That’s impressive, I didn’t realize Jeremiah Johnson, the movie, was > > based on a true story. > > > > Garry > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1892 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-10-21 00:18:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } A little bird told me. I will get back. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, October 20, 2017, 9:28 AM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Kathleen, What tells you that the Jonathan ROBINS who married Charity LOMPING in 1823 is the same Jonathan ROBINS who married Margaret CASE in 1820? I have 9 children for Jonathan ROBINS and Charity LOMPING: George, Moses, Jonas, Ephraim, James, Mary, Sarah, Sylvester & Elizabeth Ann. Also, what tells you the middle initial of E for the Jonathan ROBINS who married Mary HUFF? I have 12 children for Jonathan ROBINS and Mary HUFF: Susanna, Charles, Sarah, Isaac, Jonathan, Mary A, Elizabeth, James, Jonas, William, Joseph & Abigail. > Posted by: "Kathleen Crellin" ktyc14@... kty31451 > Date: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:38 pm ((PDT)) > > I am being humorous here, not sarcastic. My Jonathan Robins with one b, > first baby was born in 1821, Sarah, then Peter Imly Drake, then Mary and > another Sarah in 1833. Both Sarah's have no deceased date. Hunterdon > Cty. He married again in 1823 to Charity Lomping. They have 13 children. > Obvious some incorrect dates for children or something. Not sure I would > want to be married to this man. His father was Jonathan E Robbins/Mary > Huff 1742-1815. Hunterdon/Alexandria. Says here 15 kids. ihave a Col. > Jonathon/Dorothy Biglow. 1709-1790, Alexandria Township then Lieut. > Jonathon from Concord Middlesex Mass married to a Lund. Then Georgeborn > in 1640 in Chelsford Mass married to Frye. Some of these people have one > b in Robins and some 2. Sent New Jersey Marriage record book. There > could be more names on the page before. This family had lots and lots > of kids. 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So I need to interject! The Daniel b. 1666 owned the property near Flocktown. It is the property described in this survey: From: Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222. Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart’s (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became Morris County. From “Early Germans in New Jersey” by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: “David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley’s Mountain.” Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. Also, please note that the Chambers book doesn't say Daniel Robins sold the property to David Sovereign. It only says that David Sovereign bought the tract. I have yet to find a deed record of this purchase. We don't know when David bought it or from whom. As you say, David wasn't born until 1757, so this would mean he bought it probably in the 1770s or 1780s or after. In 1737, after Daniel b. 1666 died, a mortgage was taken out on the property by my ancestor, Joshua Robbins. Here is a transcript of that mortgage: LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 8 Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport’s land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. Joshua Robins Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins As you can see, the property description in this mortgage matches the description of Daniel Robins survey, exactly. This Joshua I believe is a son of the Daniel b. 1666 and I believe he inherited this property when his father died around 1737. You will find my research about this Joshua at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html I have identified only 2 of this Joshua's children and I have no idea if he had any more than these two: -- Daniel Robins (born between 1730-1740) who married Sarah Blatchley (See my research at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/DanielRobbins.htm ) -- Joshua Robins Jr. (born around 1740) who married Mary Blatchley (See my research at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html ) The Blatchley sisters were from Morris Co. However, both couples lived in Sussex Co. by around 1758 or a bit earlier. Daniel b.1730-1740 is on the Oxford twp tax list of July 1773. By 1793, Daniel b. 1730-1740 had died. His widow, Sarah Blatchley Robins and 6 of her children (all young adults and some of whom were already married) moved to Ontario Canada. At least two of their children stayed in Sussex Co. The two that stayed were Miller Robins b. 1758 and Absolom Robins born between 1760-1770. (Daniel and Sarah are my ancestors. Their daughter Mary married John Clark before 1793.) Daniel's brother, Joshua Jr. b. 1740 also moved to Ontario and was there by 1794; although it's possible he went at the same time as Sarah and her children. Interestingly, David Sovereign (mentioned in Chambers' book as buying the Flocktown property) moved to Ontario in 1802. These Robins were "thick" with the Swayzes and the Hopkins of Sussex Co NJ. Many of the Swayzes and Hopkins were noted Loyalists who also went to Ontario. In fact, sometime between 1795 and 1804 in Ontario, Joshua Robins Jr. married for a second time to Mehtiable Swayze Hopkins, the daughter of Israel Swayze and Mary Pitney of Sussex Co. NJ, and the widow of Peter Hopkins, who died in Sussex Co. around 1785. All that said...when we are trying to identify Robins in Sussex Co. in the 1760s-1790s--it is VERY difficult. There were many Robins living there in that period who left few traces, record-wise. No deeds. No wills. Not even tax records. I don't know who the parents of Sarah b. 1766 who you asked about were. Marshall has a good theory. But keep in mind, there are Robins in that area of Sussex Co. (Oxford, Independence, Hackettstown, etc.) who I don't think we've even identified because of the lack of records. I've only identified two of Joshua Robins Jr's children (Job and John). So was this Sarah one of his daughters? Did Joshua Jr. even have any daughters? No idea. And...Elisha Robins also lived in that area of Sussex at that time, and I've only identified two of his children (Elijah Jr. and Jane). So it is tricky indeed! Tracey On 10/20/2017 10:18 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The best possibility as a father for Sarah that I can see is Cornelius ROBINS. Cornelius was born in Amwell Twp in 1715, and marred Sarah ------. They had 10 children, 3 sons and 7 daughters. I only have the sons' names: John, Andrew & Cornelius. The last child (or maybe next to last), Cornelius, was born in 1775. The family was living in Amwell Twp in 1768 and in Knowlton Twp in 1779 when Cornelius Sr died. Cornelius Sr is the son of John ROBINS & Elener ------. I can't even hazard a guess for Daniel. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:55 am ((PDT)) > > Sarah Robbins born abt. 1766 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ, married > 1785 Joseph Heath. > > They moved to Schooley’s Mountain, Morris County, NJ, and are buried in > Hackettstown, Independence Twp, Warren County, NJ. > > Who are the parents of Sarah? > > Daniel Robbins owned 300+ acres of land in/near Flocktown, Morris County, > NJ, which is somewhat near Schooley’s Mountain and Independence Township. > He sold this land to David Sovereign born 1757 near Schooley’s Mountain. > > Which Daniel Robbins is this? > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1894 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-21 09:00:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins & Sarah Robins (Was: John Robins) Message: Tracey, Thanks for the very thorough reply. The map of the area is very useful. It’s interesting, we both have Joshua Robbins ancestors. I wish I could make a connection. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:13 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins & Sarah Robins (Was: John Robins) Hi, Garry--when you brought up the 300 acres at Flocktown, you are now talking about my ancestors. So I need to interject! The Daniel b. 1666 owned the property near Flocktown. It is the property described in this survey: From: Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222. Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hun terdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart’s (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became Morris County. From “Early Germans in New Jersey” by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: “David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley’s Mountain.” Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. Also, please note that the Chambers book doesn't say Daniel Robins sold the property to David Sovereign. It only says that David Sovereign bought the tract. I have yet to find a deed record of this purchase. We don't know when David bought it or from whom. As you say, David wasn't born until 1757, so this would mean he bought it probably in the 1770s or 1780s or after. In 1737, after Daniel b. 1666 died, a mortgage was taken out on the property by my ancestor, Joshua Robbins. Here is a transcript of that mortgage: LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 8 Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport’s land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner co ntaining three hundred and thirty three acres. In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. Joshua Robins Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins As you can see, the property description in this mortgage matches the description of Daniel Robins survey, exactly. This Joshua I believe is a son of the Daniel b. 1666 and I believe he inherited this property when his father died around 1737. You will find my research about this Joshua at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html I have identified only 2 of this Joshua's children and I have no idea if he had any more than these two: -- Daniel Robins (born between 1730-1740) who married Sarah Blatchley (See my research at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/DanielRobbins.htm ) -- Joshua Robins Jr. (born around 1740) who married Mary Blatchley (See my research at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html ) The Blatchley sisters were from Morris Co. However, both couples lived in Sussex Co. by around 1758 or a bit earlier. Daniel b.1730-1740 is on the Oxford twp tax list of July 1773. By 1793, Daniel b. 1730-1740 had died. His widow, Sarah Blatchley Robins and 6 of her children (all young adults and some of whom were already married) moved to Ontario Canada. At least two of their children stayed in S ussex Co. The two that stayed were Miller Robins b. 1758 and Absolom Robins born between 1760-1770. (Daniel and Sarah are my ancestors. Their daughter Mary married John Clark before 1793.) Daniel's brother, Joshua Jr. b. 1740 also moved to Ontario and was there by 1794; although it's possible he went at the same time as Sarah and her children. Interestingly, David Sovereign (mentioned in Chambers' book as buying the Flocktown property) moved to Ontario in 1802. These Robins were "thick" with the Swayzes and the Hopkins of Sussex Co NJ. Many of the Swayzes and Hopkins were noted Loyalists who also went to Ontario. In fact, sometime between 1795 and 1804 in Ontario, Joshua Robins Jr. married for a second time to Mehtiable Swayze Hopkins, the daughter of Israel Swayze and Mary Pitney of Sussex Co. NJ, and the widow of Peter Hopkins , who died in Sussex Co. around 1785. All that said...when we are trying to identify Robins in Sussex Co. in the 1760s-1790s--it is VERY difficult. There were many Robins living there in that period who left few traces, record-wise. No deeds. No wills. Not even tax records. I don't know who the parents of Sarah b. 1766 who you asked about were. Marshall has a good theory. But keep in mind, there are Robins in that area of Sussex Co. (Oxford, Independence, Hackettstown, etc.) who I don't t hink we've even identified because of the lack of records. I've only identified two of Joshua Robins Jr's children (Job and John). So was this Sarah one of his daughters? Did Joshua Jr. even have any daughters? No idea . And...Elisha Robins also lived in that area of Sussex at that time, and I've only identified two of his children (Elijah Jr. and Jane). So it is tricky indeed! Tracey On 10/20/2017 10:18 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The best possibility as a father for Sarah that I can see is Cornelius ROBINS. Cornelius was born in Amwell Twp in 1715, and marred Sarah ------. They had 10 children, 3 sons and 7 daughters. I only have the sons' names: John, Andrew & Cornelius. The last child (or maybe next to last), Cornelius, was born in 1775. The family was living in Amwell Twp in 1768 and in Knowlton Twp in 1779 when Cornelius Sr died. Cornelius Sr is the son of John ROBINS & Elener ------. I can't even hazard a guess for Daniel. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:55 am ((PDT)) > > Sarah Robbins born abt. 1766 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ, married > 1785 Joseph Heath. > > They moved to Schooley’s Mountain, Morris County, NJ, and are buried in > Hackettstown, Independence Twp, Warren County, NJ. > > Who are the parents of Sarah? > > Daniel Robbins owned 300+ acres of land in/near Flocktown, Morris County, > NJ, which is somewhat near Schooley’s Mountain and Independence Township. > He sold this land to David Sovereign born 1757 near Schooley’s Mountain. > > Which Daniel Robbins is this? > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1895 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-10-21 10:27:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins & Sarah Robins (Was: John Robins) Message: I know! I do too Garry. On 10/21/2017 11:00 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Thanks for the very thorough reply. The map of the area is very useful. It’s interesting, we both have Joshua Robbins ancestors. I wish I could make a connection. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 9:13 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins & Sarah Robins (Was: John Robins) Hi, Garry--when you brought up the 300 acres at Flocktown, you are now talking about my ancestors. So I need to interject! The Daniel b. 1666 owned the property near Flocktown. It is the property described in this survey: From: Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222. Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart’s (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became Morris County. From “Early Germans in New Jersey” by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: “David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley’s Mountain.” Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. Also, please note that the Chambers book doesn't say Daniel Robins sold the property to David Sovereign. It only says that David Sovereign bought the tract. I have yet to find a deed record of this purchase. We don't know when David bought it or from whom. As you say, David wasn't born until 1757, so this would mean he bought it probably in the 1770s or 1780s or after. In 1737, after Daniel b. 1666 died, a mortgage was taken out on the property by my ancestor, Joshua Robbins. Here is a transcript of that mortgage: LDS Film # 1028302 Hunterdon Co. Loan Office Account Books and Mortgages No. 8 Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of Hunterdon the following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as follows VIZ Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis Davenport’s land and marked FD thence south Easterly thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres. In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. Joshua Robins Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins As you can see, the property description in this mortgage matches the description of Daniel Robins survey, exactly. This Joshua I believe is a son of the Daniel b. 1666 and I believe he inherited this property when his father died around 1737. You will find my research about this Joshua at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html I have identified only 2 of this Joshua's children and I have no idea if he had any more than these two: -- Daniel Robins (born between 1730-1740) who married Sarah Blatchley (See my research at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/DanielRobbins.htm ) -- Joshua Robins Jr. (born around 1740) who married Mary Blatchley (See my research at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins/JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html ) The Blatchley sisters were from Morris Co. However, both couples lived in Sussex Co. by around 1758 or a bit earlier. Daniel b.1730-1740 is on the Oxford twp tax list of July 1773. By 1793, Daniel b. 1730-1740 had died. His widow, Sarah Blatchley Robins and 6 of her children (all young adults and some of whom were already married) moved to Ontario Canada. At least two of their children stayed in Sussex Co. The two that stayed were Miller Robins b. 1758 and Absolom Robins born between 1760-1770. (Daniel and Sarah are my ancestors. Their daughter Mary married John Clark before 1793.) Daniel's brother, Joshua Jr. b. 1740 also moved to Ontario and was there by 1794; although it's possible he went at the same time as Sarah and her children. Interestingly, David Sovereign (mentioned in Chambers' book as buying the Flocktown property) moved to Ontario in 1802. These Robins were "thick" with the Swayzes and the Hopkins of Sussex Co NJ. Many of the Swayzes and Hopkins were noted Loyalists who also went to Ontario. In fact, sometime between 1795 and 1804 in Ontario, Joshua Robins Jr. married for a second time to Mehtiable Swayze Hopkins, the daughter of Israel Swayze and Mary Pitney of Sussex Co. NJ, and the widow of Peter Hopkins, who died in Sussex Co. around 1785. All that said...when we are trying to identify Robins in Sussex Co. in the 1760s-1790s--it is VERY difficult. There were many Robins living there in that period who left few traces, record-wise. No deeds. No wills. Not even tax records. I don't know who the parents of Sarah b. 1766 who you asked about were. Marshall has a good theory. But keep in mind, there are Robins in that area of Sussex Co. (Oxford, Independence, Hackettstown, etc.) who I don't think we've even identified because of the lack of records. I've only identified two of Joshua Robins Jr's children (Job and John). So was this Sarah one of his daughters? Did Joshua Jr. even have any daughters? No idea. And...Elisha Robins also lived in that area of Sussex at that time, and I've only identified two of his children (Elijah Jr. and Jane). So it is tricky indeed! Tracey On 10/20/2017 10:18 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The best possibility as a father for Sarah that I can see is Cornelius ROBINS. Cornelius was born in Amwell Twp in 1715, and marred Sarah ------. They had 10 children, 3 sons and 7 daughters. I only have the sons' names: John, Andrew & Cornelius. The last child (or maybe next to last), Cornelius, was born in 1775. The family was living in Amwell Twp in 1768 and in Knowlton Twp in 1779 when Cornelius Sr died. Cornelius Sr is the son of John ROBINS & Elener ------. I can't even hazard a guess for Daniel. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:55 am ((PDT)) > > Sarah Robbins born abt. 1766 Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ, married > 1785 Joseph Heath. > > They moved to Schooley’s Mountain, Morris County, NJ, and are buried in > Hackettstown, Independence Twp, Warren County, NJ. > > Who are the parents of Sarah? > > Daniel Robbins owned 300+ acres of land in/near Flocktown, Morris County, > NJ, which is somewhat near Schooley’s Mountain and Independence Township. > He sold this land to David Sovereign born 1757 near Schooley’s Mountain. > > Which Daniel Robbins is this? > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1896 Sender:Moria Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-10-21 13:04:53 Subject:Re: John Robins Message: Thank you Gerry and Marshall for your input. The map will help me with my Fergusons, and thank you Gerry, for the correct spelling for Vliet. Congrats on your impressive efforts to document these Robins. For many people (like me) it is so easy to accept a common sense theory as a fact only to be shown wrong by your hard work research. Barbara On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Moria Mclean wrote: > Would anyone know the names of the parents of John Robins born 11 oct 1788 > and married Eleanor Vielt Sept 26 1811. He died in MI. > > The reason ask is because according to the Marriage Certificate, they are > both from Independence Sussex Co. > > My William Ferguson who married Ann Robins in 1803 is from Independence > and Ann from Knowlton. > > My only goal at the moment is to find out who the Ferguson and Robins were > that lived in that area. > I have no feel for the towns and don't know how close the are to each > other/ > > Thank you, Barbara > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1897 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-21 20:35:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: Dorman, Here's a [partial ?] list of Hunterdon Co churches. Some of the records are online ... https://ldsgenealogy.com/NJ/Hunterdon-County-Church-Records.htm > Posted by: "Dorman Nelson" dormannelson@... dormannelson@... > Date: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:37 pm ((PDT)) > > I keep finding more on Johnston as I dig in history—he is an interesting > character. I have yet to find a birth notice or church record of such. > His sister, Matilda became the matriarch of the family similar to > grandmother Dinah.... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 9:29 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... >> [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> There's not a lot of "truth" in the movie (as far as I know). But the >> movie is based upon a person who actually lived. He called himself John >> Johnston (they couldn't even get the title of the movie right :), but was >> born a Garrison in Hunterdon County, NJ. He died in 1900 in Los Angeles in >> an old soldiers' home, and was buried in Los Angeles. Sometime later his >> body was moved to Cody, Wyoming and re-buried. Robert Redford (who played >> his character in the movie) helped move the body. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1898 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-21 20:45:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins & Sarah Robins (Was: John Robins) Message: Tracey, Below you mention "Hopkins of Sussex Co NJ" and that they mingle with ROBINS. I have seen speculation that the birth name of Susannah (b 1739, d 1817, spouse of Isaac ROBINS (c1735-1783), lived in Alexandria Twp) was HOPKINS but I have never found any kind of evidence supporting that. Might you have anything that indicates the birth name for Susannah? > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:10 am ((PDT)) > > Hi, > > Garry--when you brought up the 300 acres at Flocktown, > you are now talking about my ancestors. So I need to > interject! > > The Daniel b. 1666 owned the property near Flocktown. > It is the property described in this survey: > From: Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222. > Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington > (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins > By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors > bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of > land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of > ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County > Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart’s > (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty > six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence > Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a > corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. > Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a > corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty > degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John > Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of > Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk > Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor > Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became > Morris County. From “Early Germans in New Jersey” > by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: > “David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel > Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged > originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the > area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley’s > Mountain.” Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. > > Also, please note that the Chambers book doesn't say > Daniel Robins sold the property to David Sovereign. It > only says that David Sovereign bought the tract. I have yet > to find a deed record of this purchase. > We don't know when David bought it or from whom. As you say, > David wasn't born until 1757, so this would mean he bought it > probably in the 1770s or 1780s or after. > > > In 1737, after Daniel b. 1666 died, a mortgage was taken > out on the property by my ancestor, Joshua Robbins. > Here is a transcript of that mortgage: > LDS Film # 1028302 > Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > Account Books and Mortgages > No. 8 > Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the > County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for > Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the > Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of Hunterdon the > following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of > Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as > follows VIZ > Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis > Davenport’s land and marked FD thence south Easterly > thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory > tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees > sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR > thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains > to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly > sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned > corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres. > In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The > Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. > Joshua Robins > Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins > > As you can see, the property description in this mortgage matches > the description of Daniel Robins survey, exactly. This Joshua I > believe is a son of the Daniel b. 1666 and I believe he inherited > this property when his father died around 1737. > > You will find my research about this Joshua at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html > s/JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html> > > I have identified only 2 of this Joshua's children and I have no > idea if he had any more than these two: > -- Daniel Robins (born between 1730-1740) who married Sarah > Blatchley (See my research at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /DanielRobbins.htm > s/DanielRobbins.htm> ) > -- Joshua Robins Jr. (born around 1740) who married Mary > Blatchley (See my research at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html > s/JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html> ) > > The Blatchley sisters were from Morris Co. > However, both couples lived in Sussex Co. by around 1758 or a bit > earlier. > Daniel b.1730-1740 is on the Oxford twp tax list of July 1773. > > By 1793, Daniel b. 1730-1740 had died. His widow, Sarah Blatchley > Robins and 6 of her children (all young adults and some of whom > were already married) moved to Ontario Canada. At least two > of their children stayed in Sussex Co. The two that stayed > were Miller Robins b. 1758 and Absolom Robins born between > 1760-1770. > > (Daniel and Sarah are my ancestors. Their daughter Mary married > John Clark before 1793.) > > Daniel's brother, Joshua Jr. b. 1740 also moved to Ontario and > was there by 1794; although it's possible he went at the same > time as Sarah and her children. > > Interestingly, David Sovereign (mentioned in Chambers' book as > buying the Flocktown property) moved to Ontario in 1802. > > These Robins were "thick" with the Swayzes and the Hopkins of > Sussex Co NJ. Many of the Swayzes and Hopkins were noted > Loyalists who also went to Ontario. > In fact, sometime between 1795 and 1804 in Ontario, Joshua Robins > Jr. married for a second time to Mehtiable Swayze Hopkins, the > daughter of Israel Swayze and Mary Pitney of Sussex Co. NJ, and > the widow of Peter Hopkins, who died in Sussex Co. around > 1785. > > All that said...when we are trying to identify Robins in Sussex > Co. in the 1760s-1790s--it is VERY difficult. > There were many Robins living there in that period who left few > traces, record-wise. No deeds. No wills. Not even tax records. > > I don't know who the parents of Sarah b. 1766 who you asked about > were. Marshall has a good theory. But keep in mind, there are > Robins in that area of Sussex Co. (Oxford, Independence, > Hackettstown, etc.) who I don't think we've even > identified because of the lack of records. I've only > identified two of Joshua Robins Jr's children (Job and John). > So was this Sarah one of his daughters? Did Joshua Jr. even > have any daughters? No idea. And...Elisha Robins also lived > in that area of Sussex at that time, and I've only identified two > of his children (Elijah Jr. and Jane). -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1899 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-10-22 06:24:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins & Sarah Robins (Was: John Robins) Message: Hi Marshall, I don't have anything about Susanna. But I"ll keep my eyes out! Also I see I made a typo in my post...Elisha Robbins' son is Elisha Robbins Jr. who died before 28 Nov 1763. My fingers seem to be stuck on typing "Elijah" instead! Sorry about that! Tracey On 10/21/2017 10:45 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Below you mention "Hopkins of Sussex Co NJ" and that they mingle with ROBINS. I have seen speculation that the birth name of Susannah (b 1739, d 1817, spouse of Isaac ROBINS (c1735-1783), lived in Alexandria Twp) was HOPKINS but I have never found any kind of evidence supporting that. Might you have anything that indicates the birth name for Susannah? > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:10 am ((PDT)) > > Hi, > > Garry--when you brought up the 300 acres at Flocktown, > you are now talking about my ancestors. So I need to > interject! > > The Daniel b. 1666 owned the property near Flocktown. > It is the property described in this survey: > From: Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222. > Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington > (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins > By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors > bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of > land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of > ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County > Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart’s > (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty > six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence > Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a > corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. > Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a > corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty > degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John > Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of > Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk > Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor > Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became > Morris County. From “Early Germans in New Jersey” > by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: > “David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel > Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged > originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the > area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley’s > Mountain.” Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. > > Also, please note that the Chambers book doesn't say > Daniel Robins sold the property to David Sovereign. It > only says that David Sovereign bought the tract. I have yet > to find a deed record of this purchase. > We don't know when David bought it or from whom. As you say, > David wasn't born until 1757, so this would mean he bought it > probably in the 1770s or 1780s or after. > > > In 1737, after Daniel b. 1666 died, a mortgage was taken > out on the property by my ancestor, Joshua Robbins. > Here is a transcript of that mortgage: > LDS Film # 1028302 > Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > Account Books and Mortgages > No. 8 > Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the > County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for > Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the > Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of Hunterdon the > following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of > Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as > follows VIZ > Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis > Davenport’s land and marked FD thence south Easterly > thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory > tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees > sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR > thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains > to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly > sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned > corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres. > In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The > Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. > Joshua Robins > Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins > > As you can see, the property description in this mortgage matches > the description of Daniel Robins survey, exactly. This Joshua I > believe is a son of the Daniel b. 1666 and I believe he inherited > this property when his father died around 1737. > > You will find my research about this Joshua at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html > s/JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html> > > I have identified only 2 of this Joshua's children and I have no > idea if he had any more than these two: > -- Daniel Robins (born between 1730-1740) who married Sarah > Blatchley (See my research at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /DanielRobbins.htm > s/DanielRobbins.htm> ) > -- Joshua Robins Jr. (born around 1740) who married Mary > Blatchley (See my research at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > /JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html > s/JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html> ) > > The Blatchley sisters were from Morris Co. > However, both couples lived in Sussex Co. by around 1758 or a bit > earlier. > Daniel b.1730-1740 is on the Oxford twp tax list of July 1773. > > By 1793, Daniel b. 1730-1740 had died. His widow, Sarah Blatchley > Robins and 6 of her children (all young adults and some of whom > were already married) moved to Ontario Canada. At least two > of their children stayed in Sussex Co. The two that stayed > were Miller Robins b. 1758 and Absolom Robins born between > 1760-1770. > > (Daniel and Sarah are my ancestors. Their daughter Mary married > John Clark before 1793.) > > Daniel's brother, Joshua Jr. b. 1740 also moved to Ontario and > was there by 1794; although it's possible he went at the same > time as Sarah and her children. > > Interestingly, David Sovereign (mentioned in Chambers' book as > buying the Flocktown property) moved to Ontario in 1802. > > These Robins were "thick" with the Swayzes and the Hopkins of > Sussex Co NJ. Many of the Swayzes and Hopkins were noted > Loyalists who also went to Ontario. > In fact, sometime between 1795 and 1804 in Ontario, Joshua Robins > Jr. married for a second time to Mehtiable Swayze Hopkins, the > daughter of Israel Swayze and Mary Pitney of Sussex Co. NJ, and > the widow of Peter Hopkins, who died in Sussex Co. around > 1785. > > All that said...when we are trying to identify Robins in Sussex > Co. in the 1760s-1790s--it is VERY difficult. > There were many Robins living there in that period who left few > traces, record-wise. No deeds. No wills. Not even tax records. > > I don't know who the parents of Sarah b. 1766 who you asked about > were. Marshall has a good theory. But keep in mind, there are > Robins in that area of Sussex Co. (Oxford, Independence, > Hackettstown, etc.) who I don't think we've even > identified because of the lack of records. I've only > identified two of Joshua Robins Jr's children (Job and John). > So was this Sarah one of his daughters? Did Joshua Jr. even > have any daughters? No idea. And...Elisha Robins also lived > in that area of Sussex at that time, and I've only identified two > of his children (Elijah Jr. and Jane). -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1900 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-22 15:21:50 Subject:Thomas HUNT (d 1790) Message: There is a will for a Thomas HUNT of Amwell Twp made 13 Nov 1789, proved 12 Mar 1790. In the will it's stated "Elizabeth and Mary, the daughters of Mary Robins". The will does not state the relationship of Mary ROBINS and Thomas HUNT. The will also does not name a spouse. Abigail ------ (spouse of Job ROBINS, 1702-1756) married a Thomas HUNT c1757. Job ROBINS and Abigail had 7 children, one of them named Mary. I don't know anything about Mary. Could there be a connection here? If so, it might seem odd that Mary is referred to by her maiden name in the will. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1901 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-22 16:23:59 Subject:Thomas ROBINS of Mansfield Twp, Burlington Co, NJ Message: Who's this ? ... 1780, Oct. 14. Robins, Thomas, of Mansfield Township, Burlington Co. Ward. Son of Aaron Robins, of said place. Said Ward makes choice of his father, the said Aaron Robins, as his Guardian. 1780, Oct 14. Guardian Aaron Robins. Fellowbondsman Jacob Wolcott; both of said place. Lib. 31. p. 322. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1902 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-23 03:04:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Thomas HUNT (d 1790) Message: Marshall, I’m without sources, but I have Thomas Hunt’s daughter, Mary, as the wife of William Robbins who died 1811. William Robbins had daughters named Elizabeth and Mary. William Robbins’ first son was named Thomas H. Robbins. On 9 August 1750 Thomas Hunt of Amwell Twp. advertised in the Pennsylvania Gazette that his wife Mary Hunt refused to live with him, and he warned that he would pay no debts contracted by her. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 6:21 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Thomas HUNT (d 1790) There is a will for a Thomas HUNT of Amwell Twp made 13 Nov 1789, proved 12 Mar 1790. In the will it's stated "Elizabeth and Mary, the daughters of Mary Robins". The will does not state the relationship of Mary ROBINS and Thomas HUNT. The will also does not name a spouse. Abigail ------ (spouse of Job ROBINS, 1702-1756) married a Thomas HUNT c1757. Job ROBINS and Abigail had 7 children, one of them named Mary. I don't know anything about Mary. Could there be a connection here? If so, it might seem odd that Mary is referred to by her maiden name in the will. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1903 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-10-23 14:39:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel Robins & Sarah Robins (Was: John Robins) Message: Sent from my iPad > On Oct 21, 2017, at 10:45 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Tracey, > > Below you mention "Hopkins of Sussex Co NJ" and that they mingle with > ROBINS. > > I have seen speculation that the birth name of Susannah (b 1739, d 1817, > spouse of Isaac ROBINS (c1735-1783), lived in Alexandria Twp) was HOPKINS > but I have never found any kind of evidence supporting that. > > Might you have anything that indicates the birth name for Susannah? > > > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx > > Date: Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:10 am ((PDT)) > > > > Hi, > > > > Garry--when you brought up the 300 acres at Flocktown, > > you are now talking about my ancestors. So I need to > > interject! > > > > The Daniel b. 1666 owned the property near Flocktown. > > It is the property described in this survey: > > From: Robins, Robbins of New Jersey page 222. > > Book A, page 186, Hunterdon County south branch of Rarington > > (Raritan) River 1714, Survey 333 acres to Daniel Robins > > By virtue of a Warrant from the Council of Proprietors > > bearing date ye 10th day of March 1714 surveyed this tract of > > land unto Daniel Robbins in _____________________ ye head of > > ye South Branch of Rarington River in Hunterdon County > > Beginning at a white oak tree Corner of Marcy Daurdwart’s > > (?) land thence Southeastwardly thirty degrees fifty > > six chains to a Corner marked DR (2) Thence > > Northeastwardly sixty degrees sixty three chains to a > > corner black oak tree marked DR (3) Thence N. > > Westwardly thirty degrees Sixty three chains ? to a > > corner maple tree marked K (4) Thence S. Westwardly by sixty > > degrees sixty chains to ye first highways. Surveyed by John > > Reading May 13 1717. Inspected and approved by ye Committee of > > Proprietors and ordered to be recorded John Wills Clerk > > Transcribed 3/5/2006 by John Wm Taylor > > Located near Middle Valley; in 1739 this area became > > Morris County. From “Early Germans in New Jersey” > > by Theodore F. Chambers, Printed Dover NJ 1895, pg 172: > > “David Zofrin (Sovereign) bought the Daniel > > Robins tract of 333 acres, which had belonged > > originally to Samuel Johnson. This land located in the > > area called Flocktown in Morris Co. near Schooley’s > > Mountain.” Daniel Robins settled in Amwell twp. > > > > Also, please note that the Chambers book doesn't say > > Daniel Robins sold the property to David Sovereign. It > > only says that David Sovereign bought the tract. I have yet > > to find a deed record of this purchase. > > We don't know when David bought it or from whom. As you say, > > David wasn't born until 1757, so this would mean he bought it > > probably in the 1770s or 1780s or after. > > > > > > In 1737, after Daniel b. 1666 died, a mortgage was taken > > out on the property by my ancestor, Joshua Robbins. > > Here is a transcript of that mortgage: > > LDS Film # 1028302 > > Hunterdon Co. Loan Office > > Account Books and Mortgages > > No. 8 > > Joshua Robins of the Township of Amwell Township in the > > County of Hunterdon Doth Convey by Deed of Mortgage for > > Consideration of Twenty Pounds to him in hand paid by the > > Commisioners of the Loan Office of the County of Hunterdon the > > following tract or parcel of Land Situate in the Township of > > Lebanon and County aforesaid and is butted and bounded as > > follows VIZ > > Beginning at a White Oak tree Corner of Francis > > Davenport’s land and marked FD thence south Easterly > > thirty degrees and fifty six chains to a corner hickory > > tree marked DR thence North Easterly Sixty Degrees > > sixty three chains to a Corner black oak tree marked DR > > thence North Westerly thirty degrees fifty six chains > > to a corner maple tree marked IK thence South Westerly > > sixty degrees sixty three chains to the first mentioned > > corner containing three hundred and thirty three acres. > > In witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand The > > Twenty fifth day of March Anno Domini 1737. > > Joshua Robins > > Signed in the presence of James Neilson, Job Robins > > > > As you can see, the property description in this mortgage matches > > the description of Daniel Robins survey, exactly. This Joshua I > > believe is a son of the Daniel b. 1666 and I believe he inherited > > this property when his father died around 1737. > > > > You will find my research about this Joshua at: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > > /JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html > > > s/JoshuaRobbinsNJ.html> > > > > I have identified only 2 of this Joshua's children and I have no > > idea if he had any more than these two: > > -- Daniel Robins (born between 1730-1740) who married Sarah > > Blatchley (See my research at: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > > /DanielRobbins.htm > > > s/DanielRobbins.htm> ) > > -- Joshua Robins Jr. (born around 1740) who married Mary > > Blatchley (See my research at: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~marcelo/Robbins\ > > /JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html > > > s/JoshuaRobbinsOntario.html> ) > > > > The Blatchley sisters were from Morris Co. > > However, both couples lived in Sussex Co. by around 1758 or a bit > > earlier. > > Daniel b.1730-1740 is on the Oxford twp tax list of July 1773. > > > > By 1793, Daniel b. 1730-1740 had died. His widow, Sarah Blatchley > > Robins and 6 of her children (all young adults and some of whom > > were already married) moved to Ontario Canada. At least two > > of their children stayed in Sussex Co. The two that stayed > > were Miller Robins b. 1758 and Absolom Robins born between > > 1760-1770. > > > > (Daniel and Sarah are my ancestors. Their daughter Mary married > > John Clark before 1793.) > > > > Daniel's brother, Joshua Jr. b. 1740 also moved to Ontario and > > was there by 1794; although it's possible he went at the same > > time as Sarah and her children. > > > > Interestingly, David Sovereign (mentioned in Chambers' book as > > buying the Flocktown property) moved to Ontario in 1802. > > > > These Robins were "thick" with the Swayzes and the Hopkins of > > Sussex Co NJ. Many of the Swayzes and Hopkins were noted > > Loyalists who also went to Ontario. > > In fact, sometime between 1795 and 1804 in Ontario, Joshua Robins > > Jr. married for a second time to Mehtiable Swayze Hopkins, the > > daughter of Israel Swayze and Mary Pitney of Sussex Co. NJ, and > > the widow of Peter Hopkins, who died in Sussex Co. around > > 1785. > > > > All that said...when we are trying to identify Robins in Sussex > > Co. in the 1760s-1790s--it is VERY difficult. > > There were many Robins living there in that period who left few > > traces, record-wise. No deeds. No wills. Not even tax records. > > > > I don't know who the parents of Sarah b. 1766 who you asked about > > were. Marshall has a good theory. But keep in mind, there are > > Robins in that area of Sussex Co. (Oxford, Independence, > > Hackettstown, etc.) who I don't think we've even > > identified because of the lack of records. I've only > > identified two of Joshua Robins Jr's children (Job and John). > > So was this Sarah one of his daughters? Did Joshua Jr. even > > have any daughters? No idea. And...Elisha Robins also lived > > in that area of Sussex at that time, and I've only identified two > > of his children (Elijah Jr. and Jane). > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1904 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-23 19:21:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Thomas HUNT (d 1790) Message: Thanks, Garry. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net > Date: Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:04 am ((PDT)) > > Marshall, > > I’m without sources, but I have Thomas Hunt’s daughter, Mary, as the wife > of William Robbins who died 1811. > > William Robbins had daughters named Elizabeth and Mary. > > William Robbins’ first son was named Thomas H. Robbins. > > On 9 August 1750 Thomas Hunt of Amwell Twp. advertised in the > Pennsylvania Gazette that his wife Mary Hunt refused to live with him, > and he warned that he would pay no debts contracted by her. > > Garry > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 6:21 PM > > There is a will for a Thomas HUNT of Amwell Twp made 13 Nov 1789, proved 12 > Mar 1790. In the will it's stated "Elizabeth and Mary, the daughters of > Mary Robins". The will does not state the relationship of Mary ROBINS and > Thomas HUNT. The will also does not name a spouse. > > Abigail ------ (spouse of Job ROBINS, 1702-1756) married a Thomas HUNT > c1757. > > Job ROBINS and Abigail had 7 children, one of them named Mary. I don't > know anything about Mary. > > Could there be a connection here? If so, it might seem odd that Mary is > referred to by her maiden name in the will. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1905 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-23 19:46:00 Subject:HUNT / ROBINS Message: Just to add a little info with regard to the HUNT/ROBINS relationship ... The Garrison-Tharp Cemetery (as it is called today) just off of route 579 in Bethlehem Twp (the cemetery is a city block or so from Alexandria Twp) contains the graves of Dinah ROBINS (1772-1757), her husband, James GARRISON (1767-1825) and some family members. The cemetery is mentioned in the will of Dinah ROBINS and is on land owned by James & Dinah at the time. Jackie Lubinski enumerated this cemetery in the early 2000s (see "Robins/Robbins of New Jersey", Sara Robbins Hoffman and John William Taylor, Jr, 2006). There is a John HUNT (c1768-1854) buried in this cemetery. Jackie says: "In the 1850 Federal Census for Bethlehem Township, Hunterdon County, NJ he is living with the family of John H. Case and wife Elizabeth Bennett Case whose daughter Sarah is married to Jonas Robins-son of Jonathan and Charity Lawshe Robins whose farm is next door. This Jonathan Robins is the 1st cousin of Dinah Robins." -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1906 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-24 03:45:19 Subject:Sincy/Cincy Robbins Message: Here's my latest thoughts on Sincy Robbins: - there is no Sincy Robbins Bible - the Joshua Robbins Bible was passed down in the Thomas Faus family - Minnie Faus Rosebush born 1877 was a genealogy researcher and was a member of DAR - Minnie provided the photocopy of the Joshua Robbins Bible for the Faus Family book - along with the photocopy Minnie provided other research material including the Sincy Robbins information - Minnie Faus is the original source of the Sincy Robbins information - Minnie has errors in her material, but I think she could be correct with her listing of Joshua's brothers I can't verify all these details. I'd very much appreciate corrections. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1907 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-24 07:02:04 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy/Cincy Robbins Message: Garry, Your theory makes a lot of sense to me. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 3:45 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy/Cincy Robbins Here's my latest thoughts on Sincy Robbins: - there is no Sincy Robbins Bible - the Joshua Robbins Bible was passed down in the Thomas Faus family - Minnie Faus Rosebush born 1877 was a genealogy researcher and was a member of DAR - Minnie provided the photocopy of the Joshua Robbins Bible for the Faus Family book - along with the photocopy Minnie provided other research material including the Sincy Robbins information - Minnie Faus is the original source of the Sincy Robbins information - Minnie has errors in her material, but I think she could be correct with her listi ng of Joshua's brothers I can't verify all these details. I'd very much appreciate corrections. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1908 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-24 08:58:30 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Message: Group, The source for the birth date for William Robins 2-24-1724 came from the Gloucestershire, England Church of England, Baptisms, Marriages & Burials 1538-1813 records located at the Salt Lake FHL. These records show there was a William Robbins born on 7-24-1724, Chedworth, Gloucestershire, England. He married in Gloucestershire on 10-6-1745 Mary Lewis who was born 8-28-1730, Chedworth, England. About 15 years ago, I came in contact with a Robbins researcher who was unable to locate the parents or wife of William Robins who died 1811 in Hunterdon Co., NJ. This person was anxious to fill in the blanks & this led to what I believe is some incorrect information on William Robins d, 1811. The researcher believed William Robbins of Chedworth, England was the same William Robins who died 1811 in Hunterdon Co., NJ. I’ve never found proof that these two William Robins or Robbins were the same man. There has been no Y-DNA testing to my knowledge to determine if the William Robins d, 1811 is the William Robins b. 2-24- 1724 in Chedworth, England. My theory has always been the William Robins who died in 1811, Hunterdon Co., NJ was born in NJ & was a Daniel Robins 1627-1714 descendant. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:16 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 I didn’t record a source but I have William’s birthday as 24 Feb, 1725. Son Jonathan was born 26 March, 1762, died 15 January, 1818. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan & T homas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. I believe you named this William Robins who died 1811 in an earlier post. Source: NJ Wills & Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler Phyl lis B. D’Autrechy. ; Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 12:07 To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. Up to this poin t I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. But, recently I came upon two baptismal records from the same church: Jonathan & Margaret Robins Sarah born Jan 28, 1821, bap Sep 17, 1822 Jonathan & Margaret Robins Peter Imly Drake born Apr 27, 1825, bap Dec 11, 1825 So, I no longer think that Jonathan, son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------, is the correct Jonathan. Does anyone have any info which might tell me which Jonathan ROBINS married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1909 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-24 09:42:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Message: Sara, You’re good with your dates. I’ve adjusted my birthdates for William and his wife Mary to ‘about’. I’m surprised to hear there hasn’t been a Y-DNA test from a William Robbins’ descendant. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 11:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Group, The source for the birth date for William Robins 2-24-1724 came from the Gloucestershire, England Church of England, Baptisms, Marriages & Burials 1538-1813 records located at the Salt Lake FHL. These records show there was a William Robbins born on 7-24-1724, Chedworth, Gloucestershire, England. He married in Gloucestershire on 10-6-1745 Mary Lewis who was born 8-28-1730, Chedworth, England. About 15 years ago, I came in contact with a Robbins researcher who was unable to locate the parents or wife of William Robins who died 1811 in Hunterdon Co., NJ. This person was anxious to fill in the blanks & this led to what I believe is some incorrect information on William Robins d, 1811. The researcher believed William Robbins of Chedworth, England was the same William Robins who died 1811 in Hunterdon Co., NJ. I’ve never found proof that these two William Robins or Robbins were the same man. There has been no Y-DNA testing to my knowledge to determine if the William Robins d, 1811 is the William Robins b. 2-24- 1724 in Chedworth, England. My theory has always been the William Robins who died in 1811, Hunterdon Co., NJ was born in NJ & was a Daniel Robins 1627-1714 descendant. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:16 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 I didn’t record a source but I have William’s birthday as 24 Feb, 1725. Son Jonathan was born 26 March, 1762, died 15 January, 1818. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan & T homas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. I believe you named this William Robins who died 1811 in an earlier post. Source: NJ Wills & Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler Phyl lis B. D’Autrechy. ; Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 12:07 To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. Up to this poin t I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. But, recently I came upon two baptismal records from the same church: Jonathan & Margaret Robins Sarah born Jan 28, 1821, bap Sep 17, 1822 Jonathan & Margaret Robins Peter Imly Drake born Apr 27, 1825, bap Dec 11, 1825 So, I no longer think that Jonathan, son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------, is the correct Jonathan. Does anyone have any info which might tell me which Jonathan ROBINS married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1910 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-24 10:44:21 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Message: Garry, The death year for William Robins of 1811 we can be sure is correct. The exact date he was born is assumed unless he was the William Robins born in England. As far as I know there has been no Y-DNA for the William Robin s d, 1811 line. I can say for sure. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 9:42 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Sara, You’re good with your dates. I’ve adjusted my birthdates for William and his wife Mary to ‘about’. I’m surprised to hear there hasn’t been a Y-DNA test from a William Robbins’ descendant. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 11:58 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Group, The source for the birth date for William Robins 2-24-1724 came from the Gloucestershire, England Church of England, Baptisms, Marriages & Burials 1538-1813 records located at the Salt Lake FHL. These records show there was a William Robbins born on 7-24-1724, Chedworth, Gloucestershire, England. He married in Gloucestershire on 10-6-1745 Mary Lewis who was born 8-28-1730, Chedworth, England. About 15 years ago, I came in contact with a Robbins researcher who was unable to locate the parents or wife of William Robins who died 1811 in Hunterdon Co., NJ. This person was anxious to fill in the blanks & this led to what I believe is some incorrect information on William Robins d, 1811. The researcher believed William Robbins of Chedworth, England was the same William Robins who died 1811 in Hunterdon Co., NJ. I’ve never found proof that these two William Robins or Robbins were the same man. There has been no Y-DNA testing to my knowledge to determine if the William Robins d, 1811 is the William Robins b. 2-24- 1724 in Chedworth, England. My theory has always been the William Robins who died in 1811, Hunterdon Co., NJ was born in NJ & was a Daniel Robins 1627-1714 descendant. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 3:16 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 I didn’t record a source but I have William’s birthday as 24 Feb, 1725. Son Jonathan was born 26 March, 1762, died 15 January, 1818. Garry From: 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 3:50 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 Marshall, Jonathan Robins b. abt. 1762, d. 1818 was the son of William & Mary ? Robins. William b. abt. 1728, d. 1811 Hunterdon Co. probably the son of Jonathan Robins b. 1694, d. 1774. William Robins died intestate, Jonathan & T homas H. Robins were administrators of his estate. I believe you named this William Robins who died 1811 in an earlier post. Source: NJ Wills & Probate Records & Some Records of Hunterdon Co., NJ 1701-1838 compiler Phyl lis B. D’Autrechy. ; Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 12:07 To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS & Margaret CASE, married 1820 There's a marriage between Jonathan ROBINS and Margaret CASE, both of Bethlehem Twp, 8 Jan 1820. This is taken from the records of the Washington Presbyterian Church in Sussex Co. Up to this poin t I've presumed this Jonathan to be the son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------. Frankly, the only reason I've presumed this is because I see no other Jonathan who fits and/or is unaccounted for. This would have been a late marriage for Jonathan who was born c1762. But, recently I came upon two baptismal records from the same church: Jonathan & Margaret Robins Sarah born Jan 28, 1821, bap Sep 17, 1822 Jonathan & Margaret Robins Peter Imly Drake born Apr 27, 1825, bap Dec 11, 1825 So, I no longer think that Jonathan, son of Isaac ROBINS & Susannah ------, is the correct Jonathan. Does anyone have any info which might tell me which Jonathan ROBINS married Margaret CASE in 1820? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1911 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-29 11:56:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: I hope this will clarify the postings on the following Robins with some sources. Regarding Col. Jonathan Robins b .abt. 1722 & d. 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ & the Jonathan Robins of Colchester, CT w ho married on 3-19-1761 in Colchester, New London, CT. Dorothy Biglow. There is no evidence the Jonathan Robins of CT was the same Col. Jonathan Robins of Alexandria, Hunterdon Co., NJ. The marriage record for Jonathan Robins & Dorothy Biglow does not refer to Jonathan Robins as Col. Jonathan Robins or show he lived in Alexandria. This Jonathan Robins of Colchester, CT is from another unrelated Robins family. Source for the marriage of Jonathan Robins to Dorothy Biglow is Early CT Marriages as Found on Ancient Church Records Prior to 1800. Original data complied by Rev. Frederic W. Early in 1917 & CT. Church Record Abstracts, CT State Library, Hart ford, CT. Regarding George Robins 1640 of Chelmsford, MA. Y-DNA testing shows the New England line of George Robins is not related to the Daniel Robinson/Robins 1627-1714 family.There numerous sources including the Y-DNA for Geo rge Robins b. 10-3-1640, d. 8-23-1689 Chelmsford MA. Some are History of Chelmsford, MA by W.W. Waters. MA, Town Vital Records 1620-1988 & Will of George Robins 1689. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1912 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-10-29 12:23:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: Your posting is timely, the website has been quiet for awhile. I’m very glad I joined this website last winter. It was a big challenge then to get an understanding of the information that had been posted. Since then, there has been much additional information. I’ve been a geneal ogy researcher for many years, most or all not at a high level, but I haven’t encountered a family website as active as this one. Kudos to the Robbins family researchers. Garry From: july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:56 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 I hope this will clarify the postings on the following Robins with some sources. Regarding Col. Jonathan Robins b .abt. 1722 & d. 1796 in Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ & the Jonathan Robins of Colchester, CT who married on 3-19-1761 in Colchester, New London, CT. Dorothy Biglow. There is no evidence the Jonathan Robins of CT was the same Col. Jonathan Robins of Alexandria, Hunterdon Co., NJ. The marriage record for Jonathan Robins & Dorothy Biglow does not refer to Jonathan Robins as Col. Jonathan Robins or show he lived in Alexandria. This Jonathan Robins of Colchester, CT is from another unrelated Robins family. Source for the marriage of Jonathan Robins to Dorothy Biglow is Early CT Marriages as Found on Ancient Church Records Prior to 1800. Original data complied by Rev. Frederic W. Early in 1917 & CT. Church Record Abstracts , CT State Library, Hartford, CT. Regarding George Robins 1640 of Chel msford, MA. Y-DNA testing shows the New England line of George Robins is not related to the Daniel Robinson/Robins 1627-1714 family.There numerous sources including the Y-DNA for Geo rge Robins b. 10-3-1640, d. 8-23-1689 Chelmsford MA. Some are History of Chelmsford, MA by W.W. Waters. MA, Town Vital Records 1620-1988 & Will of George Robins 1689. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1913 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-10-29 19:27:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: Sara, What tells you that Jonathan ROBINS (c1722-1796 Alexandria Twp) was a Colonel? I realize that his grandson, Jonathan, who lived in (and is buried in) Greenwich Twp was a Colonel, but this is the first I've seen Jonathan ROBINS (c1722-1796 Alexandria Twp) referred to as a Colonel. > Posted by: july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:57 am ((PDT)) > > I hope this will clarify the postings on the following Robins with some > sources. Regarding Col. Jonathan Robins b .abt. 1722 & d. 1796 in > Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ & the Jonathan Robins of > Colchester, CT who married on 3-19-1761 in Colchester, New London, CT. > Dorothy Biglow. There is no evidence the Jonathan Robins of CT was the > same Col. Jonathan Robins of Alexandria, Hunterdon Co., NJ. The marriage > record for Jonathan Robins & Dorothy Biglow does not refer to Jonathan > Robins as Col. Jonathan Robins or show he lived in Alexandria. This > Jonathan Robins of Colchester, CT is from another unrelated Robins > family. Source for the marriage of Jonathan Robins to Dorothy Biglow is > Early CT Marriages as Found on Ancient Church Records Prior to 1800. > Original data complied by Rev. Frederic W. Early in 1917 & CT. Church > Record Abstracts, CT State Library, Hartford, CT. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1914 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-10-29 20:18:54 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Message: Marshall, You are right it was the grandson of Jonathan Robins ca. 1722-1796 who is the Colonel. Thanks for correcting my mistake. My point was the Jonathan Robins who married Dorothy Biglow on 3-19-1761 in Colchester, CT wasn't the same Jonathan Robins b. ca. 1722, d. 1796 in Hunterdon Co., NJ. The New England Robbins families' descendants shouldn't be confused with the NJ Daniel Robins 1627-1714 descendants as they appear to be in a previous post # 1880. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 7:27 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Jonathan ROBINS, mar Margaret CASE 1820 Sara, What tells you that Jonathan ROBINS (c1722-1796 Alexandria Twp) was a Colonel? I realize that his grandson, Jonathan, who lived in (and is buried in) Greenwich Twp was a Colonel, but this is the first I've seen Jonathan ROBINS (c1722-1796 Alexandria Twp) referred to as a Colonel. > Posted by: july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:57 am ((PDT)) > > I hope this will clarify the postings on the following Robins with some > sources. Regarding Col. Jonathan Robins b .abt. 1722 & d. 1796 in > Alexandria Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ & the Jonathan Robins of > Colchester, CT who married on 3-19-1761 in Colchester, New London, CT. > Dorothy Biglow. There is no evidence the Jonathan Robins of CT was the > same Col. Jonathan Robins of Alexandria, Hunterdon Co., NJ. The marriage > record for Jonathan Robins & Dorothy Biglow does not refer to Jonathan > Robins as Col. Jonathan Robins or show he lived in Alexandria. This > Jonathan Robins of Colchester, CT is from another unrelated Robins > family. Source for the marriage of Jonathan Robins to Dorothy Biglow is > Early CT Marriages as Found on Ancient Church Records Prior to 1800. > Original data complied by Rev. Frederic W. Early in 1917 & CT. Church > Record Abstracts, CT State Library, Hartford, CT. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1915 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-10-31 10:35:56 Subject:Sincy Robbins Message: I few connections of Columbia County, PA, Robbins: - Vincent Robbins born 1764 married Elizabeth Kinney. - Mary Robbins born abt 1780 (dtr. of William born abt. 1757) married Simon Kinney born 1776 Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. - Simon Kinney had a brother, John, who lived in Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. John wrote his Will in March 1844. He names his brothers and sisters, including his brother, Simon of Columbia County, PA, and his decea sed sister, Elisabeth Robbins. - I believe Vincent's wife, Elizabeth, is probably Simon and John Kinney's sister. - Vincent married abt. 1790 in New Jersey, where he had his first children. - In 1800, William Robbins, Vincent Robbins, and Simon Kinney are living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. - If I have this connection correct, Vincent Robbins lived in or near Warren County, NJ. Oxford Twp. borders Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William Robbins lived prior to moving to Columbia County, PA . Researching the Kinney family may be more difficult than the Robbins family. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1916 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-11-01 06:11:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy Robbins Message: Please excuse the poor grammar, my first sentence should read “I have a few connections ...” I sometimes rush my proof reading. Garry From: gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy Robbins I few connections of Columbia County, PA, Robbins: - Vincent Robbins born 1764 married Elizabeth Kinney. - Mary Robbins born abt 1780 (dtr. of William born abt. 1757) married Simon Kinney born 1776 Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. - Simon Kinney had a brother, John, who lived in Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. John wrote his Will in March 1844. He names his brothers and sisters, including his brother, Simon of Columbia County, PA, and his deceas ed sister, Elisabeth Robbins. - I believe Vincent's wife, Elizabeth, is probably Simon and John Kinney's sister. - Vincent ma rried abt. 1790 in New Jersey, where he had his first children. - In 1800, William Robbins, Vincent Robbins, and Simon Kinney are living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. - If I have this connection correct, Vincent Robbins lived in or near Warren County, NJ. Oxford Twp. borders Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William Robbins lived prior to moving to Columbia County, PA. Researching the Kinney family may be more difficult than the Robbins family. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1917 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-11-01 06:20:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy Robbins Message: I have several KINNEYs in my database, some from Sussex and Warren Counties. But I have no info with regard to the names below. I think KINNEY was originally KINNE. > Posted by: gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:36 am ((PDT)) > > I few connections of Columbia County, PA, Robbins: > > - Vincent Robbins born 1764 married Elizabeth Kinney. > - Mary Robbins born abt 1780 (dtr. of William born abt. 1757) married Simon Kinney born 1776 Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. > - Simon Kinney had a brother, John, who lived in Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. John wrote his Will in March 1844. He names his brothers and sisters, including his brother, Simon of Columbia County, PA, and his dece ased sister, Elisabeth Robbins. > - I believe Vincent's wife, Elizabeth, is probably Simon and John Kinney's sister. > - Vincent married abt. 1790 in New Jersey, where he had his first children. > - In 1800, William Robbins, Vincent Robbins, and Simon Kinney are living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. > - If I have this connection correct, Vincent Robbins lived in or near Warren County, NJ. Oxford Twp. borders Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William Robbins lived prior to moving to Columbia County, P A. > > Researching the Kinney family may be more difficult than the Robbins family. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1918 Sender:"Stromberger, John" Post Date/Time:2017-11-01 06:23:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy Robbins Message: I have Kinney on my mom's side and Robbins on my dad's. Both are confounding. I wish I knew how I fit in to all of it. On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:11 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Please excuse the poor grammar, my first sentence should read “I have a > few connections ...” I sometimes rush my proof reading. > > Garry > > *From:* gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:35 PM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy Robbins > > > > I few connections of Columbia County, PA, Robbins: > > > - Vincent Robbins born 1764 married Elizabeth Kinney. > > - Mary Robbins born abt 1780 (dtr. of William born abt. 1757) married > Simon Kinney born 1776 Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. > > - Simon Kinney had a brother, John, who lived in Oxford Twp, Warren > County, NJ. John wrote his Will in March 1844. He names his brothers > and sisters, including his brother, Simon of Columbia County, PA, and his > deceased sister, Elisabeth Robbins. > > - I believe Vincent's wife, Elizabeth, is probably Simon and John > Kinney's sister. > > - Vincent ma rried abt. 1790 in New Jersey, where he had his first > children. > > - In 1800, William Robbins, Vincent Robbins, and Simon Kinney are living > in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. > > - If I have this connection correct, Vincent Robbins lived in or near > Warren County, NJ. Oxford Twp. borders Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton > County, PA, where William Robbins lived prior to moving to Columbia > County, PA. > > > > Researching the Kinney family may be more difficult than the Robbins > family. > > > > Garry > > > -- "This message and any attachment constitute a PRIVATE and CONFIDENTIAL communication and may contain legally privileged information. Do not share any information from this communication with any one unless you have received permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient, further distribution or use of these items is prohibited. In that case, do not read, copy or use the information contained herein or disclose it to others. Please notify the sender of the delivery error by replying to this message and then delete it from your system." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1919 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-11-01 06:30:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy Robbins Message: Hi Garry, This family is very interesting. Is there any possibility that Kinney is really McKinney? I ask because there are McKinney's who are in-laws to my Daniel Robbins and wife Sarah Blatchley and Joshua Robbins and wife Mary Blatchley. (This is the same Daniel Robbins who I believe to be listed in the 1774 Oxford twp. tax list.) A sister of the Blatchley girls, Mercy (b. 1745), married Daniel McKinney--probably around 1764. Daniel McKinney had a brother named Colin. I believe those brothers are called M'Kennie in this newspaper article from 1766. Note the closeness of their neighbor--Elisha Robins. “To be sold at Public Vendue, at the Court-House in Sussex County, on Tuesday the 26th of November next [1766]. “A tract of Land lying in the Township of New-town, in the County of Sussex, and Province of New-Jersey, on the head Branch of Pawlins Kill, and divided into the following Lots of Farms, viz. [namely]: “No. 1 168 Acres, in Possession of Mathas Snook No. 2 209 John Loder No. 3 143 Not tenanted [No listing for Lot No. 4] No. 5 250 Daniel & Colin M’Kennie No. 6 173 Leonard Weidner No. 7 140 Elisha Robins No. 8 157 Elisha Robins No. 9 144 Benjamin Brewer No. 10 152 Nicholas Yost No. 11 211 Peter Cass [No listing for Lot No. 12] [Total listing of 1,747 acres of land, or about 2-3/4 square miles. With Lots 4 and 12 added in, the tract would have exceeded 3 square miles.] “This Tract of Land lies about Six Miles from Sussex Court House, and five from Andover Iron Works, which is a good Market for all Kinds of Country Produce; and the great Road to Goshen runs thro- it: It is exceeding well water’d by Springs and Brooks; well accommodated with Meadow Land, and fine Swamps, and a sufficient Quantity of Wheat Land, level and clear of Stones, and as good in quality as any upland in Sussex County. One Sixth part of the Purchase Money to be paid on the 1st Day of May, 1766. One sixth on the first Day of November, 1766. One sixth on the first Day of May, 1767, all without Interest; and the remaining Three-sixths secured by a Mortgage, or other satisfactory Security, may be paid as may suit the Conveniency of the purchaser. The Lands will be shewn by Elisha Robins, living on the Premises, or Robert Allen; Living at Pepack, in Somerset County. And any Person choosing to Purchase at private Sale, may apply to said Robert Allen, who has a Power to agree for the same. The Title is indisputable, and good and sufficient Deeds will be given to the Purchasers, by JAMES PARKER.” [James Parker owned the deeds and titles to the entire tract of land. The lands were shown to prospective buyers by Elisha Robins, tenant of sections 7 and 8. Robert Allen of Pepack, Somerset County, acted as land agent. Section 1, comprised of 168 acres, was listed as “in possession of” Mathias Snook. Section 11, comprised of 211 acres, was listed as “ditto” Peter Cass.] It might be a red-herring for your Kinneys. But I thought I'd mention it! Tracey On 11/1/2017 8:11 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Please excuse the poor grammar, my first sentence should read “I have a few connections ...” I sometimes rush my proof reading. Garry From: gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy Robbins I few connections of Columbia County, PA, Robbins: - Vincent Robbins born 1764 married Elizabeth Kinney. - Mary Robbins born abt 1780 (dtr. of William born abt. 1757) married Simon Kinney born 1776 Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. - Simon Kinney had a brother, John, who lived in Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. John wrote his Will in March 1844. He names his brothers and sisters, including his brother, Simon of Columbia County, PA, and his deceased sister, Elisabeth Robbins. - I believe Vincent's wife, Elizabeth, is probably Simon and John Kinney's sister. - Vincent ma rried abt. 1790 in New Jersey, where he had his first children. - In 1800, William Robbins, Vincent Robbins, and Simon Kinney are living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. - If I have this connection correct, Vincent Robbins lived in or near Warren County, NJ. Oxford Twp. borders Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William Robbins lived prior to moving to Columbia County, PA. Researching the Kinney family may be more difficult than the Robbins family. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1920 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2017-11-01 07:12:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy Robbins Message: Howdy Marshall, and et al, I am related to Kinneys—McLellans that settled from Maine to Penn…. I do not have my book handy as I am unpacking. I will keep this email until I do so and check my ancestry…. Best to all, Dorman Nelson 128 East Endicott Street Lebanon, Nebraska 69036 818 881 6821 > On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:20 AM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > I have several KINNEYs in my database, some from Sussex and Warren > Counties. But I have no info with regard to the names below. > > I think KINNEY was originally KINNE. > > > Posted by: gheagy@... gheagy@... > > Date: Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:36 am ((PDT)) > > > > I few connections of Columbia County, PA, Robbins: > > > > - Vincent Robbins born 1764 married Elizabeth Kinney. > > - Mary Robbins born abt 1780 (dtr. of William born abt. 1757) married Simon Kinney born 1776 Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. > > - Simon Kinney had a brother, John, who lived in Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. John wrote his Will in March 1844. He names his brothers and sisters, including his brother, Simon of Columbia County, PA, and his dece ased sister, Elisabeth Robbins. > > - I believe Vincent's wife, Elizabeth, is probably Simon and John Kinney's sister. > > - Vincent married abt. 1790 in New Jersey, where he had his first children. > > - In 1800, William Robbins, Vincent Robbins, and Simon Kinney are living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. > > - If I have this connection correct, Vincent Robbins lived in or near Warren County, NJ. Oxford Twp. borders Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William Robbins lived prior to moving to Columbia County, PA. > > > > Researching the Kinney family may be more difficult than the Robbins family. > > > > Garry > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1921 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-11-01 11:15:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy Robbins Message: Tracey,This article is from a History of Warren County, NJ. Broadway is in Franklin Twp, Warren County.William McKinney was born in Ireland in 1723, and, when a young man, bought about 500 acres of land west of Broadway and lived on it until his death in 1777. One of his sons, John, born in 1757, succeeded to the homestead and in 1805 built substantial stone farm buildings thereon. He had a distillery, which was operated after his death in 1838 by his son, William. William McKinney built a second stone house on the farm in 1835, and a frame dwelling in 1865. His sons were John, George W., Henry and James. The old stone dwelling is now occupied by William McKinney. From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 9:30 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy Robbins Hi Garry, This family is very interesting. Is there any possibility that Kinney is really McKinney? I ask because there are McKinney's who are in-laws to my Daniel Robbins and wife Sarah Blatchley and Joshua Robbins and wife Mary Blatchley. (This is the same Daniel Robbins who I believe to be listed in the 1774 Oxford twp. tax list.) A sister of the Blatchley girls, Mercy (b. 1745), married Daniel McKinney--probably around 1764. Daniel McKinney had a brother named Colin. I believe those brothers are called M'Kennie in this newspaper article from 1766. Note the closeness of their neighbor--Elisha Robins. “To be sold at Public Vendue, at the Court-House in Sussex County, on Tuesday the 26th of November next [1766]. “A tract of Land lying in the Township of New-town, in the County of Sussex, and Province of New-Jersey, on the head Branch of Pawlins Kill, and divided into the following Lots of Farms, viz. [namely]: “No. 1 168 Acres, in Possession of Mathas Snook No. 2 209 John Loder No. 3 143 Not tenanted [No listing for Lot No. 4] No. 5 250 Daniel & Colin M’Kennie No. 6 173 Leonard Weidner No. 7 140 Elisha Robins No. 8 157 Elisha Robins No. 9 144 Benjamin Brewer No. 10 152 Nicholas Yost No. 11 211 Peter Cass [No listing for Lot No. 12] [Total listing of 1,747 acres of land, or about 2-3/4 square miles. With Lots 4 and 12 added in, the tract would have exceeded 3 square miles.] “This Tract of Land lies about Six Miles from Sussex Court House, and five from Andover Iron Works, which is a good Market for all Kinds of Country Produce; and the great Road to Goshen runs thro- it: It is exceeding we ll water’d by Springs and Brooks; well accommodated with Meadow Land, and fine Swamps, and a sufficient Quantity of Wheat Land, level and clear of Stones, and as good in quality as any upland in Sussex County. One Sixth part of the Purchase Money to be paid on the 1st Day of May, 1766. One sixth on the first Day of November, 1766. One sixth on the first Day of May, 1767, all without Interest; and the remaining Three-sixths secured by a Mortgage, or other satisfactory Security, may be paid as may suit the Conveniency of the purchaser. The Lands will be shewn by Elisha Robins, living on the Premises, or Robert Allen; Living at Pepack, in Somerset Coun ty. And any Person choosing to Purchase at private Sale, may apply to said Robert Allen, who has a Power to agree for the same. The Title is indisputable, and good and sufficient Deeds will be given to the Purchasers, b y JAMES PARKER.” [James Parker owned the deeds and titles to the entire tract of land. The lands were shown to prospective buyers by Elisha Robins, tenant of sections 7 and 8. Robert Allen of Pepack, Somerset County, acted as land agent . Section 1, comprised of 168 acres, was listed as “in possession of” Mathias Snook. Section 11, comprised of 211 acres, was listed as “ditto” Peter Cass.] It might be a red-herring for your Kinneys. But I thought I'd mention it! Tracey On 11/1/2017 8:11 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Please excuse the poor grammar, my first sentence should read “I have a few connections ...” I sometimes rush my proof reading. Garry From: gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sincy Robbins I few connections of Columbia County, PA, Robbins: - Vincent Robbins born 1764 married Elizabeth Kinney. - Mary Robbins born abt 1780 (dtr. of William born abt. 1757) married Simon Kinney born 1776 Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. - Simon Kinney had a brother, John, who lived in Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. John wrote his Will in March 1844. He names his brothers and sisters, including his brother, Simon of Columbia County, PA, and his dece ased sister, Elisabeth Robbins. - I believe Vincent's wife, Elizabeth, is probably Simon and John Kinney's sister. - Vincent ma rried abt. 1790 in New Jersey, where he had his first children. - In 1800, William Robbins, Vincent Robbins, and Simon Kinney are living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. - If I have this connection correct, Vincent Robbins lived in or near Warren County, NJ. Oxford Twp. borders Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William Robbins lived prior to moving to Columbia County, P A. Researching the Kinney family may be more difficult than the Robbins family. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1922 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-11-03 10:50:57 Subject:I am near Where John D Robbins homestead or place the family settled Message: Garry or anyone who has experience. I find myself by pure accident within an hour of Onawa Iowa. Went to visit one of my best friends. I suffer from depression boo hoo so I just took her basic directions as to get to Atlantic Iowa as go straight down 35w turn right at I80 and it was a burb of Des Moines, but no. I kept driving and driving. I am only about an hour from Onawa and it is surprisingly an interesting place to go, next t o the Missouri River. I for sure will take grave pictures at Onawa and Costana. This branch of Joshua Robbins family All moved here by covered wagon from Davidson Township, Sullivan County, PA somewhere between 1858 a nd 1860. John married Hannah J Phillips, daughter of Griffith John Phillips who lived right at the base of North Mountain. This is the first time I am going to call a newspaper to see if they have obituaries for John an d Hannah. Then would I call the county recorders office and ask how I would find land records and will or probate? As we all are, I don’t want to seem completely ignorant but will say this is my first instance of tryin g to find this information. I would like to see his middle name written out but I notice in a few places they call him J D. Will probably drive through Lyons Nebraska on my way home where my great grandfather John Wes ley Robbins finally settled. He had 5 boys and 2 girls so for awhile a couple of the boys farmed the Iowa land and the rest of the family moved to a farm right next to the town of Lyons Nebraska which is directly acros s the Missouri River. They moved their belongings across the ice on the river. I am so excited about this. Hope I find out something but will for sure take grave pictures. Unfortunately, the D on the grave could be an O or a D. I know it is a D but would like to see it in his handwriting. Onawa has a museum so for sure will go there and ask questions. I can visit my relatives in the cemetery in both places, Onawa and Costanna. C lark Smith Robbins, my great great grandfather’s brother is buried at Costanna and his son Beaufort. I wonder about where Smith came from. I am actually pretty sure I am related to Garry. His I don’t know how many greats grandmother was Rachel Robbins, daughter of Joshua Robbins, who married Thomas Faus. My great, great grandfather John, whose grave I wi ll see is Rachel’s brother born in Columbia County, PA. My great grandfather who is buried in Lyons NE is the youngest child of JD and my grandmother was second to the youngest Of JW Robbins and my dad was an only child of Anna Laura, my grandma, and my parents waited until after WWII to get married so there are fewer greats than one would think between Joshua and I. Sorry for length and verbosity but it is me and would be here a long time trying to shave it down but you have one Robbins saga out to the heartland. I think they were told by doctors that one son who might have consumption might stand a chance out in the open air. I hear some of the la nd where they lived was like a rainforest in PA. I think Hannah’s mother died of consumption. Maybe dad thought with those boys, needed more land. 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Enjoyed seeing you. Lv Sent from my iPad > On Oct 31, 2017, at 12:35 PM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > I few connections of Columbia County, PA, Robbins: > > > > - Vincent Robbins born 1764 married Elizabeth Kinney. > > - Mary Robbins born abt 1780 (dtr. of William born abt. 1757) married Simon Kinney born 1776 Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. > > - Simon Kinney had a brother, John, who lived in Oxford Twp, Warren County, NJ. John wrote his Will in March 1844. He names his brothers and sisters, including his brother, Simon of Columbia County, PA, and his deceased sister, Elisabeth Robbins. > > - I believe Vincent's wife, Elizabeth, is probably Simon and John Kinney's sister. > > - Vincent married abt. 1790 in New Jersey, where he had his first children. > > - In 1800, William Robbins, Vincent Robbins, and Simon Kinney are living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. > > - If I have this connection correct, Vincent Robbins lived in or near Warren County, NJ. Oxford Twp. borders Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA, where William Robbins lived prior to moving to Columbia County, PA. > > > > Researching the Kinney family may be more difficult than the Robbins family. > > > > Garry > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1924 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-11-05 08:28:59 Subject:Simon Kinney Columbia County PA Message: I've just been analyzing my information concerning Mary Robbins wife of Simon Kinney. I assumed Mary was the daughter of William Robbins who was living in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA, prior to 1790; Simon and Mary also lived in Greenwood Twp. I got thinking about this because Simon's sister, Elizabeth, married Vincent Robbins. Mary Robbins was born by abt. 1780, she married Simon Kinney about 1798. From the 1790 census for Greenwood Twp, Columbia (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robins, William 1-1-1 Note: William has only 1 female, his wife. From the 1790 census for Northumberland County, PA: Robins, Joseph 2-2-2 Note: Joseph, who I believe is the father of Vincent, has a daughter, besides his wife. The daughter is no longer with the family in 1800 census. I now think Mary Robbins is a daughter of Joseph, and a sister to Vincent. They married Kinney siblings. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1925 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-11-13 08:01:58 Subject:Hunterdon County, NJ Taxpayers 1778 - 1797 Message: I'm trying to place the people listed below: 1) Jonathan Sr. - I have ... died Oct 1796 2) John - I have ... son of Jonathan Sr., died 1789 3) Jonathan Jr. - ??? - I think this is probably not the son of Jonathan Sr., but rather the son of Isaac who was born abt. 1762 and lived in Alexandria Twp. - Jonathan, the son of Jonathan Sr, may not have been born until abt 1770, therefore wasn't listed. 4) Susanna - I have ... wife of Isaac 5) Thomas - ??? - he is not the Thomas H., son of William of Bethlehem Twp. Garry From Hunterdon County, New Jersey Taxpayers: 1785 Alexandria Robins, Jonathan Sr. Jonathan Jr. John Susanna Thomas 1786 Alexandria Robbins, Jonathan Sr. Jonathan Jr. John Thomas Susanna 1789 Alexandria Robbens, Jonathan Jonathan Jr. Thomas 1790 Alexandria Robbens, Jonathan Jonathan Jr. Thomas ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1926 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-11-13 12:57:56 Subject:Letter to John Adams from Matthew Lyon references a Jonathon Robbins Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Somebody please read. I was writing this at the same time Garry was writing his. This is not regarding his project. This is from "Historical Magazine and Notes, Queries Concerning Antiquities", History and Biographies of America,Series 3,Volume 2. Letter from Matthew Lyon, late congressman from the state of Vermont, to Citizen John Adams. One paragraph from: Your old friend Hamilton abuses you for the only good thing you ever did in your life: he ought to have excused you, and recollected how your imagination had been tortured by the ghost of Jonathon Robbins. Your confeder ate in that case judge Bee, it seems you have provided well for in this world, to which you have sent poor Jonathan, where you must both meet him; may you by sincere repentence, be prepared for that awful meeting. From the rest of the letter Mr. Lyon deeply hated John Adams, second president of the USA. I think John Adams or someone official accused Jonathon of sedition? 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ships. The ship he was on, I think called the Beauty was captured in Jamaica, he was suddenly on a British ship. When it came to America he jumped ship. He claimed he was bo rn in Connecticut and had the document with the signature matched his signature. The British claimed his name was John Nash. These were times when extradition agreements were first being used and John Adams had him go in front of a judge named Bee and Bee extradited him to the British who hung him right away. A John Marshall had something to do with it too and both Bee and Marshall were given promotions before Adams left office. The re are many different versions of this but this is as far as I am going. Interesting. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1928 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-11-15 06:46:27 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hunterdon County, NJ Taxpayers 1778 - 1797 Message: I would say that Susanna is definitely the spouse of Isaac who died in 1783. I wonder why she doesn't appear on the tax lists in 1789 and 1790? Susanna died in 1817 and Isaac's estate wasn't settled until 1793. I would agree that Jonathan Sr is the one who died in 1796. So, you feel Jonathan Jr is the son of Isaac? Possible. He was confirmed as living in Alexandria Twp in 1792-1793, but I suspect he lived there his whole life. I can't speak to John. I don't know who Thomas is. I don't have anyone in my data who could fit. Many researchers believe Jonathan ROBINS (1694-1774) had more sons than just Jonathan and Isaac. Maybe he belongs here? > Posted by: gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:01 am ((PST)) > > I'm trying to place the people listed below: > 1) Jonathan Sr. > - I have ... died Oct 1796 > 2) John > - I have ... son of Jonathan Sr., died 1789 > 3) Jonathan Jr. > - ??? > - I think this is probably not the son of Jonathan Sr., but rather the son of Isaac who was born abt. 1762 and lived in Alexandria Twp. > - Jonathan, the son of Jonathan Sr, may not have been born until abt 1770, therefore wasn't listed. > 4) Susanna > - I have ... wife of Isaac > 5) Thomas > - ??? > - he is not the Thomas H., son of William of Bethlehem Twp. > > > From Hunterdon County, New Jersey Taxpayers: > 1785 Alexandria > Robins, Jonathan Sr. > Jonathan Jr. > John > Susanna > Thomas > > > 1786 Alexandria > Robbins, Jonathan Sr. > Jonathan Jr. > John > Thomas > Susanna > > > 1789 Alexandria > Robbens, Jonathan > Jonathan Jr. > Thomas > > > 1790 Alexandria > Robbens, Jonathan > Jonathan Jr. > Thomas -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1929 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-11-15 06:53:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Letter to John Adams from Matthew Lyon references a Jonathon Robbins Message: Odd letter. What is the date of the letter? > Posted by: "Kathleen Crellin" ktyc14@... kty31451 > Date: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:58 am ((PST)) > > This is from "Historical Magazine and Notes, Queries Concerning Antiquities", History and Biographies of America,Series 3,Volume 2. > Letter from Matthew Lyon, late congressman from the state of Vermont, to Citizen John Adams. > One paragraph from: > Your old friend Hamilton abuses you for the only good thing you ever did > in your life: he ought to have excused you, and recollected how your > imagination had been tortured by the ghost of Jonathon Robbins. Your > confederate in that case judge Bee, it seems you have provided well for > in this world, to which you have sent poor Jonathan, where you must both > meet him; may you by sincere repentence, be prepared for that awful > meeting. > From the rest of the letter Mr. Lyon deeply hated John Adams, second president of the USA. > I think John Adams or someone official accused Jonathon of sedition? Maybe they hung him or something? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1930 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-11-16 03:11:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Letter to John Adams from Matthew Lyon references a Jonathon Robbins Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } March 4, 1801 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, November 15, 2017, 7:53 AM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Odd letter. What is the date of the letter? > Posted by: "Kathleen Crellin" ktyc14@... kty31451 > Date: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:58 am ((PST)) > > This is from "Historical Magazine and Notes, Queries Concerning Antiquities", History and Biographies of America,Series 3,Volume 2. > Letter from Matthew Lyon, late congressman from the state of Vermont, to Citizen John Adams. > One paragraph from: > Your old friend Hamilton abuses you for the only good thing you ever did > in your life: he ought to have excused you, and recollected how your > imagination had been tortured by the ghost of Jonathon Robbins. Your > confederate in that case judge Bee, it seems you have provided well for > in this world, to which you have sent poor Jonathan, where you must both > meet him; may you by sincere repentence, be prepared for that awful > meeting. > From the rest of the letter Mr. Lyon deeply hated John Adams, second president of the USA. > I think John Adams or someone official accused Jonathon of sedition? 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Post Date/Time:2017-11-17 05:52:36 Subject:Thomas Robbins, Alexandria, Hunterdon, NJ Message: I posted recently about Thomas. From the Hunterdon County, New Jersey Taxpayers, 1778 - 1797: 1778 Bethlehem Robbins, Thomas 1785 Bethlehem Robins, Thomas William 1785 Alexandria Robins, Thomas 1786 Alexandria Robbins, Thomas 1789 Alexandria Robens, Thomas 1790 Alexandria Robins, Thomas The following is interesting: Charles death record says he died Feb. 17, 1870, aged 94, father Thomas. He's buried at Sandyston, Sussex County. - I haven't seen this death record, it's from the LDS church. - I originally placed Charles as a possible son of Thomas Robbins of Monmouth County, NJ, but this Thomas would be more logical. From New Jersey Marriage Records: Apr. 18, 1809 Charles Robbins Hannah Bartlow both of Frankford - from the information below, I'm guessing Hannah's maiden name was Spangenberg and she was married 1st to a Bartlow. From Northwestern New Jersey, A History: Somerset, Morris, Hunterdon, Warren and Sussex Counties by A. Van Doren Honeyman | Vol. IV ( 1927) ALFRED ROBBINS – Few of the citizens of Middleville, Sussex County, New Jersey, are better known than is Alfred Robbins, proprietor of the general store in Middleville, which is conducted under the name of A. Robbins a nd Son. Previous to the time of his purchase of the general store Mr. Robbins was for some fifty years a first class carpenter, and was known for his excellent work and for his sound business methods. The Robbins family has been resident in Sussex County since pre-Revolutionary days, and the great-grandfather of Mr. Robbins served in that conflict. Charles Robbins, the grandfather, was a resident of Frankford Township, Sussex County, where he was employed at various kinds of work by the day. He died in Sandyston at the age of ninety-four years, having survived his wife Hannah (Spangenberg) Robbins. They were the parents of children: Stephen; Dillie Ryker; Jane Transue; Sarah Kays; John; Joseph; and Patrick. Patrick Robbins, son of Charles and Hannah (Spangenberg) Robbins, was born in Frankford Township and received his education in the public schools of his native district. He was engaged in farming in Hampton Township throughout his active career and spent his last years with his son, Alfred, in Stillwater Township, where he died at the age of eighty-seven years. He married Nan cy Staley, a daughter of Philip Staley, and they were the parents of one child, Alfred Robbins, of whom further. Alfred Robbins, son of Patrick and Nancy (Staley) Robbins, was born in Hampton Township, Sussex... - there's a conflict here between Charles being born in Sussex County and his father being Thomas of Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, but ??? - Charles' first son was named Stephen, not Thomas, but that happened. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1932 Sender:Moria Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-11-17 20:28:08 Subject:DNA Message: I would like to attach my excel sheet (what I think is my Ancestry.com DNA) Prior to this day I had confused the raw data with haplogroups. After a year of confusion, i just notes the "download raw data" Do you think that is OK? A spreadsheet is not lilke a S.S. of credit card # Barbara from Calif. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1933 Sender:Bob Robins Post Date/Time:2017-11-18 06:26:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DNA Message: Barbara, Your raw DNA file would be of no value here and posting your personal information on an unsecured site is not a good idea. There are many uses for the raw DNA file if you upload to properly secured site that provides an alysis tools. The raw data file is a zipped text file and you should leave it zipped to upload to other sites. I understand that if you have an Apple Mac it may automatically unzip the file so you need to make sure you save the .zip version. The first option you should try is uploading to GEDmatch.com. After you upload it takes a day or two for the file to be processed but you will then be able to find matches with others who have uploaded their data there, including people who have tested with other companies like 23andMe and FamilyTreeDna. Once you have your ID number assigned (like A99999) you could post that so people can do one to one comparisons on GEDmatch To learn more about DNA and the various tools you should check out the ISSOG Wiki (https://isogg.org/wiki/Wiki_Welcome_Page) which is a great starting point for learning more about DNA. ⁣Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD​ On Nov 17, 2017, 10:28 PM, at 10:28 PM, "Moria Mclean mclean811@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: >I would like to attach my excel sheet (what I think is my Ancestry.com >DNA) > >Prior to this day I had confused the raw data with haplogroups. After >a >year of confusion, i just notes the "download raw data" > >Do you think that is OK? A spreadsheet is not lilke a S.S. of credit >card # > >Barbara >from Calif. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1934 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-11-18 06:29:53 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Thomas Robbins, Alexandria, Hunterdon, NJ Message: There was a Thomas ROBINS who served in the Rev War. He served in the 2nd NJ Regiment which seemed to operate ... as far as I can tell ... in Burlington, Hunterdon and Sussex Counties. > Posted by: gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@... > Date: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:52 am ((PST)) > > I posted recently about Thomas. > > From the Hunterdon County, New Jersey Taxpayers, 1778 - 1797: > > 1778 Bethlehem > Robbins, Thomas > > 1785 Bethlehem > Robins, Thomas > William > > 1785 Alexandria > Robins, Thomas > > 1786 Alexandria > Robbins, Thomas > > 1789 Alexandria > Robens, Thomas > > 1790 Alexandria > Robins, Thomas > > The following is interesting: > > Charles death record says he died Feb. 17, 1870, aged 94, father Thomas. He's buried at Sandyston, Sussex County. > > - I haven't seen this death record, it's from the LDS church. > - I originally placed Charles as a possible son of Thomas Robbins of Monmouth County, NJ, but this Thomas would be more logical. > > From New Jersey Marriage Records: > Apr. 18, 1809 > Charles Robbins > Hannah Bartlow > both of Frankford > - from the information below, I'm guessing Hannah's maiden name was Spangenberg and she was married 1st to a Bartlow. > > From Northwestern New Jersey, A History: Somerset, Morris, Hunterdon, Warren and Sussex Counties by A. Van Doren Honeyman | Vol. IV ( 1927) > ALFRED ROBBINS – Few of the citizens of Middleville, Sussex County, New Jersey, are better known than is Alfred Robbins, proprietor of the general store in Middleville, which is conducted under the name of A. Robbins and Son. Previous to the time of his purchase of the general store Mr. Robbins was for some fifty years a first class carpenter, and was known for his excellent work and for his sound business methods. The Robbins famil y has been resident in Sussex County since pre-Revolutionary days, and the great-grandfather of Mr. Robbins served in that conflict. Charles Robbins, the grandfather, was a resident of Frankford Township, Sussex County, where he was employed at various kinds of work by the day. He died in Sandyston at the age of ninety-four years, having survived his wife Hannah (Spangenberg) Robbins. They were the parents of children: Stephen; Dillie Ryker; Jane Transue; Sarah Kays; John; Joseph; and Patrick. Patrick Robbins, son of Charles and Hannah (Spangenberg) Robbins, was born in Frankford Township and received his education in the public schools of his nativ e district. He was engaged in farming in Hampton Township throughout his active career and spent his last years with his son, Alfred, in Stillwater Township, where he died at the age of eighty-seven years. He married Na ncy Staley, a daughter of Philip Staley, and they were the parents of one child, Alfred Robbins, of whom further. Alfred Robbins, son of Patrick and Nancy (Staley) Robbins, was born in Hampton Township, Sussex... > - there's a conflict here between Charles being born in Sussex County and his father being Thomas of Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, but ??? > - Charles' first son was named Stephen, not Thomas, but that happened. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1935 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-11-18 06:42:37 Subject:William ROBINS, NC, NJ, OH, IN Message: A while back I received the following info from Wyndham Clampett ... BEGIN William ROBINS, son of William ROBINS (1730 NC - 1786 NC) & Frances NATION, married Bethiah VICKREY, daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. Bethiah VICKREY was born 11 Dec 1760 in Rowan County, NC and died 8 Dec 1850 in Decatur Co, IN. Bethiah is buried in Decatur Co, IN. END I'm attempting to locate a source but so far nothing. I recently found Rev War documents for a William ROBINS. He enlisted in Monmouth Co, NJ in 1777 and served 3 years. His wife, "Bethia", received William's final pension payment in the 4th quarter of 1848 in Indiana. William was deceased. William wrote a letter (undated) requesting a pension. At the time he was living in Columbiana Co, OH and 60 years of age. It seems to be the same William ROBINS, but why would he enlist in Monmouth Co, NJ if he was born, raised, and [assumed] living in NC ? Does anyone have additional info? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1936 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-11-18 10:40:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, NC, NJ, OH, IN Message: Marshall, These are different William Robbins. William Robbins of Monmouth County, NJ. was born March 16, 1761. His wife, Elizabeth, was born May 10, 1766. William’s Columbiana County, OH, application was made in 1820. His wife, Elizabeth, was alive. In 1840, Elizabeth Robbins made a pension application from Carroll County, OH. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:42 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, NC, NJ, OH, IN A while back I received the following info from Wyndham Clampett ... BEGIN William ROBINS, son of William ROBINS (1730 NC - 1786 NC) & Frances NATION, married Bethiah VICKREY, daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. Bethiah VICKREY was born 11 Dec 1760 in Rowan County, NC and died 8 Dec 1850 in Decatur Co, IN. Bethiah is buried in Decatur Co, IN. END I'm attempting to locate a source but so far nothing. I recently found Rev War documents for a William ROBINS. He enlisted in Monmouth Co, NJ in 1777 and served 3 years. His wife, "Bethia", received William's final pension payment in the 4th quarter of 1848 in Indiana. William was deceased. William wrote a letter (undated) requesting a pension. At the time he was living in Columbiana Co, OH and 60 years of age. It seems to be the same William ROBINS, but why would he enlist in Monmouth Co, NJ if he was born, raised, and [assumed] living in NC ? Does anyone have additional info? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1937 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-11-18 10:49:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, NC, NJ, OH, IN Message: Marshall, A family file I’ve just seen says that William Robbins born Mar. 16, 1761 married Elizabeth Loughead. There’s a marriage record for them in Bucks County, PA, Oct. 29, 1789. The marriage date works with the family, the first child was James born May 5, 1791. Son Benjamin was born June 7, 1802. Census records indicate he was born in PA. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:42 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, NC, NJ, OH, IN A while back I received the following info from Wyndham Clampett ... BEGIN William ROBINS, son of William ROBINS (1730 NC - 1786 NC) & Frances NATION, married Bethiah VICKREY, daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. Bethiah VICKREY was born 11 Dec 1760 in Rowan County, NC and died 8 Dec 1850 in Decatur Co, IN. Bethiah is buried in Decatur Co, IN. END I'm attempting to locate a source but so far nothing. I recently found Rev War documents for a William ROBINS. He enlisted in Monmouth Co, NJ in 1777 and served 3 years. His wife, "Bethia", received William's final pension payment in the 4th quarter of 1848 in Indiana. William was deceased. William wrote a letter (undated) requesting a pension. At the time he was living in Columbiana Co, OH and 60 years of age. It seems to be the same William ROBINS, but why would he enlist in Monmouth Co, NJ if he was born, raised, and [assumed] living in NC ? Does anyone have additional info? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1938 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-11-18 13:40:18 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, NC, NJ, OH, IN Message: Marshall, Re: Information you received from Wyndham Clampett. William Robins (1730-1786) husband of Frances Nation. According to the Will of William Robins dated 10-8-1786 Randolph Co., NC, he had no son William Robins. He named his sons as follows eldest John, second Christopher & third Daniel, daughter eldest Elizabeth Reed, Frances Reed, Charity Vickery, Ann, youngest daughter Rachel. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:43 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, NC, NJ, OH, IN A while back I received the following info from Wyndham Clampett ... BEGIN William ROBINS, son of William ROBINS (1730 NC - 1786 NC) & Frances NATION, married Bethiah VICKREY, daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. Bethiah VICKREY was born 11 Dec 1760 in Rowan County, NC and died 8 Dec 1850 in Decatur Co, IN. Bethiah is buried in Decatur Co, IN. END I'm attempting to locate a source but so far nothing. I recently found Rev War documents for a William ROBINS. He enlisted in Monmouth Co, NJ in 1777 and served 3 years. His wife, "Bethia", received William's final pension payment in the 4th quarter of 1848 in Indiana. William was deceased. William wrote a letter (undated) requesting a pension. At the time he was living in Columbiana Co, OH and 60 years of age. It seems to be the same William ROBINS, but why would he enlist in Monmouth Co, NJ if he was born, raised, and [assumed] living in NC ? Does anyone have additional info? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1939 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-11-18 15:09:47 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, NC, NJ, OH, IN Message: This is correct, there were two different William Robins or Robbins both born in 1761, one in Monmouth Co., NJ & the other in Randolph Co., NC. 1. William Robins born 3-16-1761 in Monmouth Co., NJ, died 8-7-1837 in Carroll Co., OH, wife Elizabeth Loughead. Pension records show he served in Rev War in NJ before moving to PA then OH. Y-DNA links the descenda nts of William & Elizabeth L. Robbins to Daniel & Hope Potter Robins. 2. William Robins born 10-21-1761 Randolph Co., NC, died 9-11-1834 in Decatur Co., IN, wife Bethiah Vickery. The DAR recognizes him as a Patriot Ancestor #233564. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 10:40 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, NC, NJ, OH, IN Marshall, These are different William Robbins. William Robbins of Monmouth County, NJ. was born March 16, 1761. His wife, Elizabeth, was born May 10, 1766. William’s Columbiana County, OH, application was made in 1820. His wife, Elizabeth, was alive. In 1840, Elizabeth Robbins made a pension application from Carroll County, OH. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:42 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, NC, NJ, OH, IN A while back I received the following info from Wyndham Clampett ... BEGIN William ROBINS, son of William ROBINS (1730 NC - 1786 NC) & Frances NATION, married Bethiah VICKREY, daughter of Marmaduke VICKREY & Elizabeth NATION. Bethiah VICKREY was born 11 Dec 1760 in Rowan County, NC and died 8 Dec 1850 in Decatur Co, IN. Bethiah is buried in Decatur Co, IN. END I'm attempting to locate a source but so far nothing. I recently found Rev War documents for a William ROBINS. He enlisted in Monmouth Co, NJ in 1777 and served 3 years. His wife, "Bethia", received William's final pension payment in the 4th quarter of 1848 in Indiana. William was deceased. William wrote a letter (undated) requesting a pension. At the time he was living in Columbiana Co, OH and 60 years of age. It seems to be the same William ROBINS, but why would he enlist in Monmouth Co, NJ if he was born, raised, and [assumed] living in NC ? Does anyone have additional info? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1940 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-11-19 07:31:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] William ROBINS, NC, NJ, OH, IN Message: Thanks, Garry & Sara. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1941 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-11-20 11:28:49 Subject:Jonathon Robbins Incident Message: blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Book review: Little-remembered act of mutiny had big effect on early American history Other reading I have done states that he had proof of his identity. Evidently, during that period of treachery on the seas and the British habit of impressing American sailors into involuntary servitude on British ship s, the sailors would sign paperwork as to their citizenship. Don't ask me how. It's one of those things we can take a side on but never really know the truth. | | | | | | | | | | | Book review: Little-remembered act of mutiny had big effect on early American history By Reviewed by Michael L. Ramsey Michael L. Ramsey is president emeritus of The Roanoke Public Library Foundation. “AMERICAN SANCTUARY: Mutiny, Martyrdom, and National Identity in the Age of Revolution.” A. Roger Ekirch. Panrhton. 293 pages. $30.00. | | | | http://www.roanoke.com/arts_and_entertainment/books/book-review-little-remembered-act-of-mutiny-had-big-effect/article_895fa78c-4c2b-5edf-90e3-2e378a99f54d.html Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1942 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-11-22 18:33:35 Subject:Else ROBINS, mar 1807 Staten Island Message: Came across this recently ... Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society Vol IV Staten Island Church Records 1909 Records of St Andrews Church in Richmond, Staten Island Marriages Names of Those Published Register of Marriages Copied by Rev. David Moore from his Private Records for his Son Richard Channing Moore 1807, July 11 John Pollard, Else Robins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1943 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-11-23 11:06:03 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Else ROBINS, mar 1807 Staten Island Message: Marshall, Else Robins, her name is spelled Alice in later documents. Alice Robins Pollard was the daughter of Robert & Ann Mersereau Robins. The family of Robert & Ann is buried at St. Andrew's Church Cemetery Staten Island, NY. Robert Robins was the son of Daniel Robins & Sarah Leonard. This is the line of Aaron Robins, son of Daniel & Hope Robins. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 6:34 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Else ROBINS, mar 1807 Staten Island Came across this recently ... Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society Vol IV Staten Island Church Records 1909 Records of St Andrews Church in Richmond, Staten Island Marriages Names of Those Published Register of Marriages Copied by Rev. David Moore from his Private Records for his Son Richard Channing Moore 1807, July 11 John Pollard, Else Robins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1944 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-11-23 22:42:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Else ROBINS, mar 1807 Staten Island Message: Great. Thanks for placing Else/Alice ROBINS, Sara. > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:06 am ((PST)) > > Marshall, > > Else Robins, her name is spelled Alice in later documents. Alice Robins > Pollard was the daughter of Robert & Ann Mersereau Robins. The family of > Robert & Ann is buried at St. Andrew's Church Cemetery Staten Island, NY. > Robert Robins was the son of Daniel Robins & Sarah Leonard. This is the line > of Aaron Robins, son of Daniel & Hope Robins. > > > Sara > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 6:34 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Else ROBINS, mar 1807 Staten Island > > > Came across this recently ... > > Collections of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society > Vol IV > Staten Island Church Records > 1909 > > Records of St Andrews Church in Richmond, Staten Island > > Marriages > > Names of Those Published > > Register of Marriages Copied by Rev. David Moore from his > Private Records for his Son Richard Channing Moore > > 1807, July 11 John Pollard, Else Robins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1945 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-12-02 06:09:19 Subject:Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Message: I've been searching for records for Joseph Robbins born about 1740 in New Jersey, who may have lived in Sussex County prior to 1790. I've had no success. Daniel Robbins born about 1737, son of Joshua, who married Sarah Blatchley is listed in Oxford, Sussex County, in 1773 & 1774. Daniel's brother, Joshua born about 1735, son of Joshua, who married Mary Blatchely is not listed in Sussex County in 1773 or 1774; or is he and I can't find him? Joshua Robins, the father, may have died by 1773, or may not have owned anything taxable? From New Jersey Will Abstracts: 1775, Feb. 6. Green, Samuel, of Knowlton, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of. Wife, Abig'ail Green, all personal, while my widow. Eldest son, Daniel Nicholas Green, % of my land. Son, Samuel Thomas Green, the other Vz- Daughter, Ann, 200 acres in Oxford Township. Executors — wife, Abigail, and son, Samuel Thomas Green. Witnesses — Joshua Robins, Richard Shackleton, Andrew Whitsal. Proved May 22. 1775. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1946 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-12-02 07:03:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Message: Hi Garry, I've never found either Joshua (the elder or the younger) on any New Jersey tax list. And I have nothing on Joseph Robbins. Is the one you are looking for the son of Isaac (d. 1741)? Tracey On 12/2/2017 7:09 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been searching for records for Joseph Robbins born about 1740 in New Jersey, who may have lived in Sussex County prior to 1790. I've had no success. Daniel Robbins born about 1737, son of Joshua, who married Sarah Blatchley is listed in Oxford, Sussex County, in 1773 & 1774. Daniel's brother, Joshua born about 1735, son of Joshua, who married Mary Blatchely is not listed in Sussex County in 1773 or 1774; or is he and I can't find him? Joshua Robins, the father, may have died by 1773, or may not have owned anything taxable? From New Jersey Will Abstracts: 1775, Feb. 6. Green, Samuel, of Knowlton, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of. Wife, Abig'ail Green, all personal, while my widow. Eldest son, Daniel Nicholas Green, % of my land. Son, Samuel Thomas Green, the other Vz- Daughter, Ann, 200 acres in Oxford Township. Executors — wife, Abigail, and son, Samuel Thomas Green. Witnesses — Joshua Robins, Richard Shackleton, Andrew Whitsal. Proved May 22. 1775. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1947 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-12-02 07:16:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Message: I’ve recorded that Joshua Robbins Jr. had a son named Job who married Mary Palmer. Now, I can’t find anything on Job Robbins. Interestingly, I’ve found David Palmer listed on the 1773 Tax List in Oxford, Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ. I also found this: He was a Loyalist who remained faithful to England and lost all of his land and possessions after the Revolution. He is listed on the Tax Roll of Oxford Twp, Sussex Co., NJ in 1783. He moved north to Ontario Canada and petitioned the Crown for land . He received a Land Grant at "The Forty" later Grimsby , Ontario. He died there and is buried in the St. Andrews Churchyard Cemetery beside his wife Elizabeth. From New Jersey Abstracts of Wills: 1783, Feb. 6 Green, John, of Oxford, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of Wife, Hannah, all real and personal estate; and after her death, my sons, Charles, Ruben and Morris, to have the land, and son, Morris, to have 2/3 of moveable estate, and my daughter, Phebe, 1/3. Executers: wife, Hannah. Witnesses: Sarah Axford, Betsy Robeson, Robert Richart Proved: Nov. 2, 1784 1784, Nov. 2. Inventory, £198.15.0, made by John Robeson and David Palmer Lib. 26, p. 516 Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA. Robert Richart married 2nd Elizabeth Robbins, who may be a sister to my ancestor, Joshua Robbins born 1777. Robert Richart moved to Columbia County, Pe nnsylvania by 1790, as did the family of Joshua Robbins. Garry From: gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 8:09 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ I've been searching for records for Joseph Robbins born about 1740 in New Jersey, who may have lived in Sussex County prior to 1790. I've had no success. Daniel Robbins born about 1737, son of Joshua, who married Sarah Blatchley is listed in Oxford, Sussex County, in 1773 & 1774. Daniel's brother, Joshua born about 1735, son of Joshua, who married Mary Blatchely is not listed in Sussex County in 1773 or 1774; or is he and I can't find him? Joshua Robins, the father, may have died by 1773, or may not have owned anything taxable? From New Jersey Will Abstracts: 1775, Feb. 6. Green, Samuel, of Knowlton, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of. Wife, Abig'ail Green, all personal, while my widow. Eldest son, Daniel Nicholas Green, % of my land. Son, Samuel Thomas Green, the other Vz- Daughter, Ann, 200 acres in Oxford Township. Executors — wife, Abigail, and son, Samuel Thomas Green. Witnesses — Joshua Robins, Richard Shackleton, Andrew Whitsal. Proved May 22. 1775. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1948 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-12-02 07:31:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Message: Hi Garry, The Job Robbins who married Mary Palmer, and who I believe is the son of Joshua Robbins (the younger), lived in Thorold township, Lincoln (later Welland) Co. Ontario. Here are my notes about Job and Mary. By the way, the "Newark" mentioned below is what we now know as Niagara. It's not New Jersey. Thorold Twp 22 Jan 1794 Job Robbins lot 78 and 101 assigned according to Thorold map of the time. However, patents for these lots, made in 1798 went to Ezekiel Younglove. “Newark, January 22, 1794” Israel Swazey Lot# 53, 54, 55, 75, 76, 77 [next to Job Robins] Map No A 24 January 24, 1812 Isaac Swazey Lot# 38, 39 Israel Swazey Lot# 54, 55, 75, 76, 77, 100 Glebe & Israel [next to Lot # 77] 1794: Settler's petition for property 1794 August 9th; August 16th Joshua Robbins Thorold twp. lots 190 and 191 Source: Upper Canada Land Records, Assignments Record group: MF MS 81 Volume 050, page 28 Note: This was the same day that John Clark and Blackley Robins made their Settler's petitions. However, Joshua didn't get the patent for EITHER of these lots. Robert Hamilton got the patent for 190 Job Robbins got the patent for 191 in 1803; however the abstract index says "John Robins" Thorold twp. papers: Robins, Job On 20 Jul 1803 Acting Surveyors General Chewett and Ridout prepared a surveyor’s assignment for Job Robins of Thorold Twp., yeoman for 100 acres of land in Lot 191 Thorold Twp. as per 51st Claim Niagara Commission 1803. Added note: Joshua Robins original nominee (Thorold Township Papers 0457) On 4 Nov 1803 the Executive Council of Upper Canada gave a grant to Job Robins of Thorold Twp., yeoman for Lot 191 Thorold Twp. as per 51st Claim Niagara Commission Aug 1803. (Thorold Township Papers 0459) Lot 191: By 1810, all 100 acres was owned by James Kenny. No record of how Kenny came to own it. James Kenny sold it to George Keefer 5 May 1810. Deed 1890. The Job Robins in Canada was likely born between 1770-1773, if we assume he was at least 21 when he got the property in Canada. He was married sometime before 25 Jan 1804 to Mary Palmer. We know this from her first petition for land: Upper Canada Land Petitions (1763-1865) Name: Palmer/Robins, Mary Place: Thorold Year: 1804 Volume: 425 Bundle: R 7 Petition: 8 Microfilm: C-2741 Reference: RG 1 L3 See: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2595&sqn=583&tt=1202&PHPSESSID=g3gup2otpf2hbrob27la327a11 Mary was the daughter of David Palmer, a Loyalist of New Jersey. (David Palmer was born in 1734.) Job and Mary had at least 2 sons: David Robbins Nayham (also spelled Naam in some records) Robbins Job died before 27 Feb 1834--when Mary petitioned for land a second time and stated she was the widow of Job and the daughter of David Palmer. Name: Palmer/Robins, Mary Place: Pelham Year: 1834 Volume: 434 Bundle: R 18 Petition: 87 Microfilm: C-2746 Reference: RG 1 L3 See: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2600&sqn=785&tt=1284&PHPSESSID=g3gup2otpf2hbrob27la327a11 Tracey On 12/2/2017 8:16 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I’ve recorded that Joshua Robbins Jr. had a son named Job who married Mary Palmer. Now, I can’t find anything on Job Robbins. Interestingly, I’ve found David Palmer listed on the 1773 Tax List in Oxford, Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ. I also found this: He was a Loyalist who remained faithful to England and lost all of his land and possessions after the Revolution. He is listed on the Tax Roll of Oxford Twp, Sussex Co., NJ in 1783. He moved north to Ontario Canada and petitioned the Crown for land . He received a Land Grant at "The Forty" later Grimsby , Ontario. He died there and is buried in the St. Andrews Churchyard Cemetery beside his wife Elizabeth. From New Jersey Abstracts of Wills: 1783, Feb. 6 Green, John, of Oxford, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of Wife, Hannah, all real and personal estate; and after her death, my sons, Charles, Ruben and Morris, to have the land, and son, Morris, to have 2/3 of moveable estate, and my daughter, Phebe, 1/3. Executers: wife, Hannah. Witnesses: Sarah Axford, Betsy Robeson, Robert Richart Proved: Nov. 2, 1784 1784, Nov. 2. Inventory, £198.15.0, made by John Robeson and David Palmer Lib. 26, p. 516 Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA. Robert Richart married 2nd Elizabeth Robbins, who may be a sister to my ancestor, Joshua Robbins born 1777. Robert Richart moved to Columbia County, Pennsylvania by 1790, as did the family of Joshua Robbins. Garry From: gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 8:09 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ I've been searching for records for Joseph Robbins born about 1740 in New Jersey, who may have lived in Sussex County prior to 1790. I've had no success. Daniel Robbins born about 1737, son of Joshua, who married Sarah Blatchley is listed in Oxford, Sussex County, in 1773 & 1774. Daniel's brother, Joshua born about 1735, son of Joshua, who married Mary Blatchely is not listed in Sussex County in 1773 or 1774; or is he and I can't find him? Joshua Robins, the father, may have died by 1773, or may not have owned anything taxable? From New Jersey Will Abstracts: 1775, Feb. 6. Green, Samuel, of Knowlton, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of. Wife, Abig'ail Green, all personal, while my widow. Eldest son, Daniel Nicholas Green, % of my land. Son, Samuel Thomas Green, the other Vz- Daughter, Ann, 200 acres in Oxford Township. Executors — wife, Abigail, and son, Samuel Thomas Green. Witnesses — Joshua Robins, Richard Shackleton, Andrew Whitsal. Proved May 22. 1775. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1949 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-12-02 07:59:20 Subject:Re: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Message: Tracey, From the 1741 New Jersey Tax List Maidenhead Twp, Hunterdon County: Joshua Robins Job Robins John Robins Note: Today Maidenhead is Lawrenceville in Mercer County. Names on a Petition 15 May, 1759, from the inhabitants of Sussex County: Robins, Elisha Robins, Joshua My Joseph Robbins is possibly the son of Isaac. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:03 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Hi Garry, I've never found either Joshua (the elder or the younger) on any New Jersey tax list. And I have nothing on Joseph Robbins. Is the one you are looking for the son of Isaac (d. 1741)? Tracey On 12/2/2017 7:09 AM, gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been searching for records for Joseph Robbins born about 1740 in New Jersey, who may have lived in Sussex County prior to 1790. I've had no success. Daniel Robbins born about 1737, son of Joshua, who married Sarah Blatchley is listed in Oxford, Sussex County, in 1773 & 1774. Daniel's brother, Joshua born about 1735, son of Joshua, who married Mary Blatchely is not listed in Sussex County in 1773 or 1774; or is he and I can't find him? Joshua Robins, the father, may have died by 1773, or may not have owned anything taxable? From New Jersey Will Abstracts: 1775, Feb. 6. Green, Samuel, of Knowlton, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of. Wife, Abig'ail Green, all personal, while my widow. Eldest son, Daniel Nicholas Green, % of my land. Son, Samuel Thomas Green, the other Vz- Daughter, Ann, 200 acres in Oxford Township. Executors — wife, Abigail, and son, Samuel Thomas Green. Witnesses — Joshua Robins, Richard Shackleton, Andrew Whitsal. Proved May 22. 1775. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1950 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-12-02 08:12:49 Subject:Re: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Message: Oh you are right. I do remember that tax list. I guess I was thinking any Sussex tax list when I answered you! Thanks for the reminder. Tracey On 12/2/2017 8:59 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, From the 1741 New Jersey Tax List Maidenhead Twp, Hunterdon County: Joshua Robins Job Robins John Robins Note: Today Maidenhead is Lawrenceville in Mercer County. Names on a Petition 15 May, 1759, from the inhabitants of Sussex County: Robins, Elisha Robins, Joshua My Joseph Robbins is possibly the son of Isaac. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:03 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Hi Garry, I've never found either Joshua (the elder or the younger) on any New Jersey tax list. And I have nothing on Joseph Robbins. Is the one you are looking for the son of Isaac (d. 1741)? Tracey On 12/2/2017 7:09 AM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I've been searching for records for Joseph Robbins born about 1740 in New Jersey, who may have lived in Sussex County prior to 1790. I've had no success. Daniel Robbins born about 1737, son of Joshua, who married Sarah Blatchley is listed in Oxford, Sussex County, in 1773 & 1774. Daniel's brother, Joshua born about 1735, son of Joshua, who married Mary Blatchely is not listed in Sussex County in 1773 or 1774; or is he and I can't find him? Joshua Robins, the father, may have died by 1773, or may not have owned anything taxable? From New Jersey Will Abstracts: 1775, Feb. 6. Green, Samuel, of Knowlton, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of. Wife, Abig'ail Green, all personal, while my widow. Eldest son, Daniel Nicholas Green, % of my land. Son, Samuel Thomas Green, the other Vz- Daughter, Ann, 200 acres in Oxford Township. Executors — wife, Abigail, and son, Samuel Thomas Green. Witnesses — Joshua Robins, Richard Shackleton, Andrew Whitsal. Proved May 22. 1775. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1951 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-12-02 08:31:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Message: Tracey, Thanks. My ancestry.com search for Job Robbins gave my nothing, maybe I didn’t use the correct search data. Another example of the “black hole” someone mentioned earlier concerning records in New Jersey. Joshua Robbins Sr. of Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ: - I don’t have a wife’s name - I have 2 children, Joshua Jr. & Daniel Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:31 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Hi Garry, The Job Robbins who married Mary Palmer, and who I believe is the son of Joshua Robbins (the younger), lived in Thorold township, Lincoln (later Welland) Co. Ontario. Here are my notes about Job and Mary. By the way, the "Newark" mentioned below is what we now know as Niagara. It's not New Jersey. Thorold Twp 22 Jan 1794 Job Robbins lot 78 and 101 assigned according to Thorold map of the time. However, patents for these lots, made in 1798 went to Ezekiel Younglove. “Newark, January 22, 1794” Israel Swazey Lot# 53, 54, 55, 75, 76, 77 [next to Job Robins] Map No A 24 January 24, 1812 Isaac Swazey Lot# 38, 39 Israel Swazey Lot# 54, 55, 75, 76, 77, 100 Glebe & Israel [next to Lot # 77] 1794: Settler's petition for property 1794 August 9th; August 16th Joshua Robbins Thorold twp. lots 190 and 191 Source: Upper Canada Land Records, Assignments Record group: MF MS 81 Volume 050, page 28 Note: This was the same day that John Clark and Blackley Robins made their Settler's petitions. However, Joshua didn't get the patent for EITHER of these lots. Robert Hamilton got the patent for 190 Job Robbins got the patent for 191 in 1803; however the abstract index says "John Robins" Thorold twp. papers: Robins, Job On 20 Jul 1803 Acting Surveyors General Chewett and Ridout prepared a surveyor’s assignment for Job Robins of Thorold Twp., yeoman for 100 acres of land in Lot 191 Thorold Twp. as per 51st Claim Niagara Commission 1803. Added note: Joshua Robins original nominee (Thorold Township Papers 0457) On 4 Nov 1803 the Executive Council of Upper Canada gave a grant to Job Robins of Thorold Twp., yeoman for Lot 191 Thorold Twp. as per 51st Claim Niagara Commission Aug 1803. (Thorold Township Papers 0459) Lot 191: By 1810, all 100 acres was owned by James Kenny. No record of how Kenny came to own it. James Kenny sold it to George Keefer 5 May 1810. Deed 1890. The Job Robins in Canada was likely born between 1770-1773, if we assume he was at least 21 when he got the property in Canada. He was married sometime before 25 Jan 1804 to Mary Palmer. We know this from her first petition for land: Upper Canada Land Petitions (1763-1865) Name: Palmer/Robins, Mary Place: Thorold Year: 1804 Volume: 425 Bundle: R 7 Petition: 8 Microfilm: C-2741 Reference: RG 1 L3 See: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2595&sqn=583&tt=1202&PHPSESSID=g3gup2otpf2hbrob27la327a11 Mary was the daughter of David Palmer, a Loyalist of New Jersey. (David Palmer was born in 1734.) Job and Mary had at least 2 sons: David Robbins Nayham (also spelled Naam in some records) Robbins Job died before 27 Feb 1834--when Mary petitioned for land a second time and stated she was the widow of Job and the daughter of David Palmer. Name: Palmer/Robins, Mary Place: Pelham Year: 1834 Volume: 434 Bundle: R 18 Petition: 87 Microfilm: C-2746 Reference: RG 1 L3 See: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2600&sqn=785&tt=1284&PHPSESSID=g3gup2otpf2hbrob27la327a11 Tracey On 12/2/2017 8:16 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I’ve recorded that Joshua Robbins Jr. had a son named Job who married Mary Palmer. Now, I can’t find anything on Job Robbins. Interestingly, I’ve found David Palmer listed on the 1773 Tax List in Oxford, Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ. I also found this: He was a Loyalist who remained faithful to England and lost all of his land and possessions after the Revolution. He is listed on the Tax Roll of Oxford Twp, Sussex Co., NJ in 1783. He moved north to Ontario Canada a nd petitioned the Crown for land . He received a Land Grant at "The Forty" later Grimsby , Ontario. He died there and is buried in the St. Andrews Churchyard Cemetery beside his wife Elizabeth. From New Jersey Abstracts of Wills: 1783, Feb. 6 Green, John, of Oxford, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of Wife, Hannah, all real and personal estate; and after her death, my sons, Charles, Ruben and Morris, to have the land, and son, Morris, to have 2/3 of moveable estate, and my daughter, Phebe, 1/3. Executers: wife, Hannah. Witnesses: Sarah Axford, Betsy Robeson, Robert Richart Proved: Nov. 2, 1784 1784, Nov. 2. Inventory, £198.15.0, made by John Robeson and David Palmer Lib. 26, p. 516 Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA. Robert Richart married 2nd Elizabeth Robbins, who may be a sister to my ancestor, Joshua Robbins born 1777. Robert Richart moved to Columbia County, Pennsylvania by 1790, as did the family of Joshua Robbins. Garry From: gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 8:09 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ I've been searching for records for Joseph Robbins born about 1740 in New Jersey, who may have lived in Sussex County prior to 1790. I've had no success. Daniel Robbins born about 1737, son of Joshua, who married Sarah Blatchley is listed in Oxford, Sussex County, in 1773 & 1774. Daniel's brother, Joshua born about 1735, son of Joshua, who married Mary Blatchely is not listed in Sussex County in 1773 or 1774; or is he and I can't find him? Joshua Robins, the father, may have died by 1773, or may not have owned anything taxable? From New Jersey Will Abstracts: 1775, Feb. 6. Green, Samuel, of Knowlton, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of. Wife, Abig'ail Green, all personal, while my widow. Eldest son, Daniel Nicholas Green, % of my land. Son, Samuel Thomas Green, the other Vz- Daughter, Ann, 200 acres in Oxford Township. Executors — wife, Abigail, and son, Samuel Thomas Green. Witnesses — Joshua Robins, Richard Shackleton, Andrew Whitsal. Proved May 22. 1775. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1952 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-12-02 09:34:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Message: Right. Well if I'm correct and this Job was born around 1770-1773...he really wasn't an adult until the family was already in Ontario. That makes it even less likely that he'd show up in New Jersey records. And yes...New Jersey is a black hole of research, in my opinion! The records I cite below came from hours and hours of researching Ontario microfilm. Some of the records are online at the Ontario Archives web site now and I've included links where I can. But the original research was all from microfilm I ordered from my local LDS church. Ancestry.com doesn't have much in the way of EARLY Ontario records. I don't have a wife's name for Joshua Robbins Sr. either. I've yet to run across any records that name her. :-( Records for him are very scare anyway. Tracey On 12/2/2017 9:31 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Thanks. My ancestry.com search for Job Robbins gave my nothing, maybe I didn’t use the correct search data. Another example of the “black hole” someone mentioned earlier concerning records in New Jersey. Joshua Robbins Sr. of Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ: - I don’t have a wife’s name - I have 2 children, Joshua Jr. & Daniel Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:31 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Hi Garry, The Job Robbins who married Mary Palmer, and who I believe is the son of Joshua Robbins (the younger), lived in Thorold township, Lincoln (later Welland) Co. Ontario. Here are my notes about Job and Mary. By the way, the "Newark" mentioned below is what we now know as Niagara. It's not New Jersey. Thorold Twp 22 Jan 1794 Job Robbins lot 78 and 101 assigned according to Thorold map of the time. However, patents for these lots, made in 1798 went to Ezekiel Younglove. “Newark, January 22, 1794” Israel Swazey Lot# 53, 54, 55, 75, 76, 77 [next to Job Robins] Map No A 24 January 24, 1812 Isaac Swazey Lot# 38, 39 Israel Swazey Lot# 54, 55, 75, 76, 77, 100 Glebe & Israel [next to Lot # 77] 1794: Settler's petition for property 1794 August 9th; August 16th Joshua Robbins Thorold twp. lots 190 and 191 Source: Upper Canada Land Records, Assignments Record group: MF MS 81 Volume 050, page 28 Note: This was the same day that John Clark and Blackley Robins made their Settler's petitions. However, Joshua didn't get the patent for EITHER of these lots. Robert Hamilton got the patent for 190 Job Robbins got the patent for 191 in 1803; however the abstract index says "John Robins" Thorold twp. papers: Robins, Job On 20 Jul 1803 Acting Surveyors General Chewett and Ridout prepared a surveyor’s assignment for Job Robins of Thorold Twp., yeoman for 100 acres of land in Lot 191 Thorold Twp. as per 51st Claim Niagara Commission 1803. Added note: Joshua Robins original nominee (Thorold Township Papers 0457) On 4 Nov 1803 the Executive Council of Upper Canada gave a grant to Job Robins of Thorold Twp., yeoman for Lot 191 Thorold Twp. as per 51st Claim Niagara Commission Aug 1803. (Thorold Township Papers 0459) Lot 191: By 1810, all 100 acres was owned by James Kenny. No record of how Kenny came to own it. James Kenny sold it to George Keefer 5 May 1810. Deed 1890. The Job Robins in Canada was likely born between 1770-1773, if we assume he was at least 21 when he got the property in Canada. He was married sometime before 25 Jan 1804 to Mary Palmer. We know this from her first petition for land: Upper Canada Land Petitions (1763-1865) Name: Palmer/Robins, Mary Place: Thorold Year: 1804 Volume: 425 Bundle: R 7 Petition: 8 Microfilm: C-2741 Reference: RG 1 L3 See: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2595&sqn=583&tt=1202&PHPSESSID=g3gup2otpf2hbrob27la327a11 Mary was the daughter of David Palmer, a Loyalist of New Jersey. (David Palmer was born in 1734.) Job and Mary had at least 2 sons: David Robbins Nayham (also spelled Naam in some records) Robbins Job died before 27 Feb 1834--when Mary petitioned for land a second time and stated she was the widow of Job and the daughter of David Palmer. Name: Palmer/Robins, Mary Place: Pelham Year: 1834 Volume: 434 Bundle: R 18 Petition: 87 Microfilm: C-2746 Reference: RG 1 L3 See: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2600&sqn=785&tt=1284&PHPSESSID=g3gup2otpf2hbrob27la327a11 Tracey On 12/2/2017 8:16 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I’ve recorded that Joshua Robbins Jr. had a son named Job who married Mary Palmer. Now, I can’t find anything on Job Robbins. Interestingly, I’ve found David Palmer listed on the 1773 Tax List in Oxford, Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ. I also found this: He was a Loyalist who remained faithful to England and lost all of his land and possessions after the Revolution. He is listed on the Tax Roll of Oxford Twp, Sussex Co., NJ in 1783. He moved north to Ontario Canada and petitioned the Crown for land . He received a Land Grant at "The Forty" later Grimsby , Ontario. He died there and is buried in the St. Andrews Churchyard Cemetery beside his wife Elizabeth. From New Jersey Abstracts of Wills: 1783, Feb. 6 Green, John, of Oxford, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of Wife, Hannah, all real and personal estate; and after her death, my sons, Charles, Ruben and Morris, to have the land, and son, Morris, to have 2/3 of moveable estate, and my daughter, Phebe, 1/3. Executers: wife, Hannah. Witnesses: Sarah Axford, Betsy Robeson, Robert Richart Proved: Nov. 2, 1784 1784, Nov. 2. Inventory, £198.15.0, made by John Robeson and David Palmer Lib. 26, p. 516 Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA. Robert Richart married 2nd Elizabeth Robbins, who may be a sister to my ancestor, Joshua Robbins born 1777. Robert Richart moved to Columbia County, Pennsylvania by 1790, as did the family of Joshua Robbins. Garry From: gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 8:09 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ I've been searching for records for Joseph Robbins born about 1740 in New Jersey, who may have lived in Sussex County prior to 1790. I've had no success. Daniel Robbins born about 1737, son of Joshua, who married Sarah Blatchley is listed in Oxford, Sussex County, in 1773 & 1774. Daniel's brother, Joshua born about 1735, son of Joshua, who married Mary Blatchely is not listed in Sussex County in 1773 or 1774; or is he and I can't find him? Joshua Robins, the father, may have died by 1773, or may not have owned anything taxable? From New Jersey Will Abstracts: 1775, Feb. 6. Green, Samuel, of Knowlton, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of. Wife, Abig'ail Green, all personal, while my widow. Eldest son, Daniel Nicholas Green, % of my land. Son, Samuel Thomas Green, the other Vz- Daughter, Ann, 200 acres in Oxford Township. Executors — wife, Abigail, and son, Samuel Thomas Green. Witnesses — Joshua Robins, Richard Shackleton, Andrew Whitsal. Proved May 22. 1775. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1953 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-12-02 10:36:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Message: Tracey, Posted 11 jul 2012 by quietholler From "Colonial and Revolutionary Morris County" by Theodore Thayer, Published by The Morris County Heritage Commission – 1975, Printed by Compton Press Inc., Morristown, New Jersey) Counterfeiting in Colonial Morris County, New Jersey When counterfeiting was rampant in Morris County, it was difficult to convict the perpetrators. Many of the counterfeiters were popular young men with many influential relatives and friends. Furthermore, many of the inhabitants did not look upon the crime as inimical to their interests; rather, they viewed the actions of the counterfeiters as clever and smart. In fact, to perhaps the great majority, the counterfeiters were popular heroes. They did not perceive the great harm which this form of lawbreaking could cause to a community. As early as 1744 there were several indictments against counterfeiters for altering paper money, but no arrests appear to have been made. Then in 1747, a whole ring of counterfeiters and passers of counterfeit bills were arrested and jailed. The number and good station in life of most of the men reveal the prevailing disposition toward counterfeiting. The names of the arrested were: Timothy Conner, Seth Hall, Jonathan Hathaway, Jo hn Pipes, Job Allen, Andrew Morrison, Abraham Southerd, Samuel Blackford, Sylvanus Totten, and David Brant, all of Morristown. In addition there were Abraham Hathaway, Jacobus Vanetta, John McNeal, Joshua Robins, Abraha m Anderson, Robert Livingston, Court Timery, and Isaac Woortman. Through the laxity of Sheriff Caleb Fairchild, all the prisoners broke jail and escaped to the homes of friends and relatives. Governor Jonathan Belcher a nd his Council agreed that counterfeiters could not be convicted in Morris County and proposed that henceforth they be removed from the county for trial. The Assembly, however, disagreed, and the proposal was dropped. C hief Justice Robert Hunter Morris wanted Sheriff Fairchild prosecuted for allowing the prisoners to escape but no action was taken. It was not until the Court of Oyer and Terminer was established in Morris County in 1750, with Chief Justice Nevill presiding, that some of the counterfeiters were again arrested and brought to trial. David Brant wa s found guilty, fined £25, jailed for three months, and put on good behavior for seven years. Ebenezer David was fined £5, ordered to stand in the pillory one hour, jailed for six months, and put on good behavior for ni ne years. Jeremiah Wright received a fine of £10 for assisting the counterfeiters and was put on good behavior for seven years. Finally, Peter Salter was fined twenty shillings and put on good behavior for two years for counterfeiting pieces of eight. These sentences were light; after all, the law prescribed the death penalty for counterfeiters. I think it was you that supplied this information: Joshua Robin's father, Daniel Robins, died sometime between 1733 and 1737 and in March 1737, Joshua took out a mortgage on property in Lebanon township, Hunterdon Co., that was originally surveyed for his father. This land is in present day Washington Township, Morris County, New Jersey. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 11:34 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Right. Well if I'm correct and this Job was born around 1770-1773...he really wasn't an adult until the family was already in Ontario. That makes it even less likely that he'd show up in New Jersey records. And yes...New Jersey is a black hole of research, in my opinion! The records I cite below came from hours and hours of researching Ontario microfilm. Some of the records are online at the Ontario Archives web site now and I've included links where I can. But the original research was all from microfilm I ordered from my local LDS church. Ancestry.com doesn't have much in the way of EARLY Ontario records. I don't have a wife's name for Joshua Robbins Sr. either. I've yet to run across any records that name her. :-( Records for him are very scare anyway. Tracey On 12/2/2017 9:31 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Thanks. My ancestry.com search for Job Robbins gave my nothing, maybe I didn’t use the correct search data. Another example of the “black hole” someone mentioned earlier concerning records in New Jersey. Joshua Robbins Sr. of Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ: - I don’t have a wife’s name - I have 2 children, Joshua Jr. & Daniel Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:31 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Hi Garry, The Job Robbins who married Mary Palmer, and who I believe is the son of Joshua Robbins (the younger), lived in Thorold township, Lincoln (later Welland) Co. Ontario. Here are my notes about Job and Mary. By the way, the "Newark" mentioned below is what we now know as Niagara. It's not New Jersey. Thorold Twp 22 Jan 1794 Job Robbins lot 78 and 101 assigned according to Thorold map of the time. However, patents for these lots, made in 1798 went to Ezekiel Younglove. “Newark, January 22, 1794” Israel Swazey Lot# 53, 54, 55, 75, 76, 77 [next to Job Robins] Map No A 24 January 24, 1812 Isaac Swazey Lot# 38, 39 Israel Swazey Lot# 54, 55, 75, 76, 77, 100 Glebe & Israel [next to Lot # 77] 1794: Settler's petition for property 1794 August 9th; August 16th Joshua Robbins Thorold twp. lots 190 and 191 Source: Upper Canada Land Records, Assignments Record group: MF MS 81 Volume 050, page 28 Note: This was the same day that John Clark and Blackley Robins made their Settler's petitions. However, Joshua didn't get the patent for EITHER of these lots. Robert Hamilton got the patent for 190 Job Robbins got the patent for 191 in 1803; however the abstract index says "John Robins" Thorold twp. papers: Robins, Job On 20 Jul 1803 Acting Surveyors General Chewett and Ridout prepared a surveyor’s assignment for Job Robins of Thorold Twp., yeoman for 100 acres of land in Lot 191 Thorold Twp. as per 51st Claim Niagara Commission 180 3. Added note: Joshua Robins original nominee (Thorold Township Papers 0457) On 4 Nov 1803 the Executive Council of Upper Canada gave a grant to Job Robins of Thorold Twp., yeoman for Lot 191 Thorold Twp. as per 51st Claim Niagara Commission Aug 1803. (Thorold Township Papers 0459) Lot 191: By 1810, all 100 acres was owned by James Kenny. No record of how Kenny came to own it. James Kenny sold it to George Keefer 5 May 1810. Deed 1890. The Job Robins in Canada was likely born between 1770-1773, if we assume he was at least 21 when he got the property in Canada. He was married sometime before 25 Jan 1804 to Mary Palmer. We know this from her first petition for land: Upper Canada Land Petitions (1763-1865) Name: Palmer/Robins, Mary Place: Thorold Year: 1804 Volume: 425 Bundle: R 7 Petition: 8 Microfilm: C-2741 Reference: RG 1 L3 See: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2595&sqn=583&tt=1202&PHPSESSID=g3gup2otpf2hbrob27la327a11 Mary was the daughter of David Palmer, a Loyalist of New Jersey. (David Palmer was born in 1734.) Job and Mary had at least 2 sons: David Robbins Nayham (also spelled Naam in some records) Robbins Job died before 27 Feb 1834--when Mary petitioned for land a second time and stated she was the widow of Job and the daughter of David Palmer. Name: Palmer/Robins, Mary Place: Pelham Year: 1834 Volume: 434 Bundle: R 18 Petition: 87 Microfilm: C-2746 Reference: RG 1 L3 See: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2600&sqn=785&tt=1284&PHPSESSID=g3gup2otpf2hbrob27la327a11 Tracey On 12/2/2017 8:16 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I’ve recorded that Joshua Robbins Jr. had a son named Job who married Mary Palmer. Now, I can’t find anything on Job Robbins. Interestingly, I’ve found David Palmer listed on the 1773 Tax List in Oxford, Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ. I also found this: He was a Loyalist who remained faithful to England and lost all of his land and possessions after the Revolution. He is listed on the Tax Roll of Oxford Twp, Sussex Co., NJ in 1783. He moved north to Ontario Canada and petitioned the Crown for land . He received a Land Grant at "The Forty" later Grimsby , Ontario. He died there and is buried in the St. Andrews Churchyard Cemetery beside his wife Elizabeth. From New Jersey Abstracts of Wills: 1783, Feb. 6 Green, John, of Oxford, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of Wife, Hannah, all real and personal estate; and after her death, my sons, Charles, Ruben and Morris, to have the land, and son, Morris, to have 2/3 of moveable estate, and my daughter, Phebe, 1/3. Executers: wife, Hannah. Witnesses: Sarah Axford, Betsy Robeson, Robert Richart Proved: Nov. 2, 1784 1784, Nov. 2. Inventory, £198.15.0, made by John Robeson and David Palmer Lib. 26, p. 516 Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA. Robert Richart married 2nd Elizabeth Robbins, who may be a sister to my ancestor, Joshua Robbins born 1777. Robert Richart moved to Columbia County , Pennsylvania by 1790, as did the family of Joshua Robbins. Garry From: gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 8:09 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ I've been searching for records for Joseph Robbins born about 1740 in New Jersey, who may have lived in Sussex County prior to 1790. I've had no success. Daniel Robbins born about 1737, son of Joshua, who married Sarah Blatchley is listed in Oxford, Sussex County, in 1773 & 1774. Daniel's brother, Joshua born about 1735, son of Joshua, who married Mary Blatchely is not listed in Sussex County in 1773 or 1774; or is he and I can't find him? Joshua Robins, the father, may have died by 1773, or may not have owned anything taxable? From New Jersey Will Abstracts: 1775, Feb. 6. Green, Samuel, of Knowlton, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of. Wife, Abig'ail Green, all personal, while my widow. Eldest son, Daniel Nicholas Green, % of my land. Son, Samuel Thomas Green, the other Vz- Daughter, Ann, 200 acres in Oxford Township. Executors — wife, Abigail, and son, Samuel Thomas Green. Witnesses — Joshua Robins, Richard Shackleton, Andrew Whitsal. Proved May 22. 1775. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1954 Sender:Jeff Brown Post Date/Time:2017-12-03 15:37:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Message: May be of interest my paternal grandfather was Ravers E Robins -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 12/2/17, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 2, 2017, 11:36 AM Tracey, Posted 11 jul 2012 by quietholler From "Colonial and Revolutionary Morris County" by Theodore Thayer, Published by The Morris County Heritage Commission – 1975, Printed by Compton Press Inc., Morristown, New Jersey) Counterfeiting in Colonial Morris County, New Jersey When counterfeiting was rampant in Morris County, it was difficult to convict the perpetrators. Many of the counterfeiters were popular young men with many influential relatives and friends. Furthermore, many of the inhabitants did not look upon the crime as inimical to their interests; rather, they viewed the actions of the counterfeiters as clever and smart. In fact, to perhaps the great majority, the counterfeiters were popular heroes. They did not perceive the great harm which this form of lawbreaking could cause to a community. As early as 1744 there were several indictments against counterfeiters for altering paper money, but no arrests appear to have been made. Then in 1747, a whole ring of counterfeiters and passers of counterfeit bills were arrested and jailed. The number and good station in life of most of the men reveal the prevailing disposition toward counterfeiting. The names of the arrested were: Timothy Conner, Seth Hall, Jonathan Hathaway, John Pipes, Job Allen, Andrew Morrison, Abraham Southerd, Samuel Blackford, Sylvanus Totten, and David Brant, all of Morristown. In addition there were Abraham Hathaway, Jacobus Vanetta, John McNeal, Joshua Robins, Abraham Anderson, Robert Livingston, Court Timery, and Isaac Woortman. Through the laxity of Sheriff Caleb Fairchild, all the prisoners broke jail and escaped to the homes of friends and relatives. Governor Jonathan Belcher and his Council agreed that counterfeiters could not be convicted in Morris County and proposed that henceforth they be removed from the county for trial. The Assembly, however, disagreed, and the proposal was dropped. Chief Justice Robert Hunter Morris wanted Sheriff Fairchild prosecuted for allowing the prisoners to escape but no action was taken. It was not until the Court of Oyer and Terminer was established in Morris County in 1750, with Chief Justice Nevill presiding, that some of the counterfeiters were again arrested and brought to trial. David Brant was found guilty, fined £25, jailed for three months, and put on good behavior for seven years. Ebenezer David was fined £5, ordered to stand in the pillory one hour, jailed for six months, and put on good behavior for nine years. Jeremiah Wright received a fine of £10 for assisting the counterfeiters and was put on good behavior for seven years. Finally, Peter Salter was fined twenty shillings and put on good behavior for two years for counterfeiting pieces of eight. These sentences were light; after all, the law prescribed the death penalty for counterfeiters. I think it was you that supplied this information: Joshua Robin's father, Daniel Robins, died sometime between 1733 and 1737 and in March 1737, Joshua took out a mortgage on property in Lebanon township, Hunterdon Co., that was originally surveyed for his father. This land is in present day Washington Township, Morris County, New Jersey. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 11:34 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Right. Well if I'm correct and this Job was born around 1770-1773...he really wasn't an adult until the family was already in Ontario. That makes it even less likely that he'd show up in New Jersey records. And yes...New Jersey is a black hole of research, in my opinion! The records I cite below came from hours and hours of researching Ontario microfilm. Some of the records are online at the Ontario Archives web site now and I've included links where I can. But the original research was all from microfilm I ordered from my local LDS church. Ancestry.com doesn't have much in the way of EARLY Ontario records. I don't have a wife's name for Joshua Robbins Sr. either. I've yet to run across any records that name her. :-( Records for him are very scare anyway. Tracey On 12/2/2017 9:31 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Thanks. My ancestry.com search for Job Robbins gave my nothing, maybe I didn’t use the correct search data. Another example of the “black hole” someone mentioned earlier concerning records in New Jersey. Joshua Robbins Sr. of Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ: - I don’t have a wife’s name - I have 2 children, Joshua Jr. & Daniel Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:31 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ Hi Garry, The Job Robbins who married Mary Palmer, and who I believe is the son of Joshua Robbins (the younger), lived in Thorold township, Lincoln (later Welland) Co. Ontario. Here are my notes about Job and Mary. By the way, the "Newark" mentioned below is what we now know as Niagara. It's not New Jersey. Thorold Twp 22 Jan 1794 Job Robbins lot 78 and 101 assigned according to Thorold map of the time. However, patents for these lots, made in 1798 went to Ezekiel Younglove. “Newark, January 22, 1794” Israel Swazey Lot# 53, 54, 55, 75, 76, 77 [next to Job Robins] Map No A 24 January 24, 1812 Isaac Swazey Lot# 38, 39 Israel Swazey Lot# 54, 55, 75, 76, 77, 100 Glebe & Israel [next to Lot # 77] 1794: Settler's petition for property 1794 August 9th; August 16th Joshua Robbins Thorold twp. lots 190 and 191 Source: Upper Canada Land Records, Assignments Record group: MF MS 81 Volume 050, page 28 Note: This was the same day that John Clark and Blackley Robins made their Settler's petitions. However, Joshua didn't get the patent for EITHER of these lots. Robert Hamilton got the patent for 190 Job Robbins got the patent for 191 in 1803; however the abstract index says "John Robins" Thorold twp. papers: Robins, Job On 20 Jul 1803 Acting Surveyors General Chewett and Ridout prepared a surveyor’s assignment for Job Robins of Thorold Twp., yeoman for 100 acres of land in Lot 191 Thorold Twp. as per 51st Claim Niagara Commission 1803. Added note: Joshua Robins original nominee (Thorold Township Papers 0457) On 4 Nov 1803 the Executive Council of Upper Canada gave a grant to Job Robins of Thorold Twp., yeoman for Lot 191 Thorold Twp. as per 51st Claim Niagara Commission Aug 1803. (Thorold Township Papers 0459) Lot 191: By 1810, all 100 acres was owned by James Kenny. No record of how Kenny came to own it. James Kenny sold it to George Keefer 5 May 1810. Deed 1890. The Job Robins in Canada was likely born between 1770-1773, if we assume he was at least 21 when he got the property in Canada. He was married sometime before 25 Jan 1804 to Mary Palmer. We know this from her first petition for land: Upper Canada Land Petitions (1763-1865) Name: Palmer/Robins, Mary Place: Thorold Year: 1804 Volume: 425 Bundle: R 7 Petition: 8 Microfilm: C-2741 Reference: RG 1 L3 See: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2595&sqn=583&tt=1202&PHPSESSID=g3gup2otpf2hbrob27la327a11 Mary was the daughter of David Palmer, a Loyalist of New Jersey. (David Palmer was born in 1734.) Job and Mary had at least 2 sons: David Robbins Nayham (also spelled Naam in some records) Robbins Job died before 27 Feb 1834--when Mary petitioned for land a second time and stated she was the widow of Job and the daughter of David Palmer. Name: Palmer/Robins, Mary Place: Pelham Year: 1834 Volume: 434 Bundle: R 18 Petition: 87 Microfilm: C-2746 Reference: RG 1 L3 See: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=29&q3=2600&sqn=785&tt=1284&PHPSESSID=g3gup2otpf2hbrob27la327a11 Tracey On 12/2/2017 8:16 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I’ve recorded that Joshua Robbins Jr. had a son named Job who married Mary Palmer. Now, I can’t find anything on Job Robbins. Interestingly, I’ve found David Palmer listed on the 1773 Tax List in Oxford, Warren (then Sussex) County, NJ. I also found this: He was a Loyalist who remained faithful to England and lost all of his land and possessions after the Revolution. He is listed on the Tax Roll of Oxford Twp, Sussex Co., NJ in 1783. He moved north to Ontario Canada and petitioned the Crown for land . He received a Land Grant at "The Forty" later Grimsby , Ontario. He died there and is buried in the St. Andrews Churchyard Cemetery beside his wife Elizabeth. From New Jersey Abstracts of Wills: 1783, Feb. 6 Green, John, of Oxford, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of Wife, Hannah, all real and personal estate; and after her death, my sons, Charles, Ruben and Morris, to have the land, and son, Morris, to have 2/3 of moveable estate, and my daughter, Phebe, 1/3. Executers: wife, Hannah. Witnesses: Sarah Axford, Betsy Robeson, Robert Richart Proved: Nov. 2, 1784 1784, Nov. 2. Inventory, £198.15.0, made by John Robeson and David Palmer Lib. 26, p. 516 Robert Richart lived in Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA. Robert Richart married 2nd Elizabeth Robbins, who may be a sister to my ancestor, Joshua Robbins born 1777. Robert Richart moved to Columbia County, Pennsylvania by 1790, as did the family of Joshua Robbins. Garry From: gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 8:09 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Tax Lists Sussex County, NJ I've been searching for records for Joseph Robbins born about 1740 in New Jersey, who may have lived in Sussex County prior to 1790. I've had no success. Daniel Robbins born about 1737, son of Joshua, who married Sarah Blatchley is listed in Oxford, Sussex County, in 1773 & 1774. Daniel's brother, Joshua born about 1735, son of Joshua, who married Mary Blatchely is not listed in Sussex County in 1773 or 1774; or is he and I can't find him? Joshua Robins, the father, may have died by 1773, or may not have owned anything taxable? From New Jersey Will Abstracts: 1775, Feb. 6. Green, Samuel, of Knowlton, Sussex Co., yeoman; Will of. Wife, Abig'ail Green, all personal, while my widow. Eldest son, Daniel Nicholas Green, % of my land. Son, Samuel Thomas Green, the other Vz- Daughter, Ann, 200 acres in Oxford Township. Executors — wife, Abigail, and son, Samuel Thomas Green. Witnesses — Joshua Robins, Richard Shackleton, Andrew Whitsal. Proved May 22. 1775. 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http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1956 Sender:Jeff Brown Post Date/Time:2017-12-04 13:48:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS Message: He was my grandfather and I have learned much about his ancestry a friend did an exhaustive study which I can send you if your interested. The Kehnle stuff is my grandmothers root, she was Ravers Elseworth Robins not su re on the spelling of the middle name. The file is big but you can enlarge it as you go Jeff Brown -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 12/4/17, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS To: "ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List" Date: Monday, December 4, 2017, 10:02 AM What do you know about Ravers E ROBINS ? > Posted by: "Jeff Brown" m3jeffy@... > Date: Sun Dec 3, 2017 2:37 pm ((PST)) > > May be of interest my paternal grandfather was Ravers E Robins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179 -- #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp #yiv9026012179hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp #yiv9026012179ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp .yiv9026012179ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp .yiv9026012179ad p { margin:0;} #yiv9026012179 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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1957 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-04 15:23:18 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS Message: Hi Jeff, Thank you for posting your genealogy chart. Just a couple of things I noticed from your chart that may be helpful to you on the Daniel & Hope Potter Robins family. Elizabeth Arney was not the mother of your Daniel Robins. Elizabeth Arney was the second wife of Aaron Robins (1683-1759.) Aaron & Elizabeth had no children together. The name of Aaron Robins first wife & mother of all his children is unknown. The maiden name of Elizabeth Arney is also unknown. We do know she was the widow of John Arney when she married Aaron Robins. The maiden name of Frances wife of William Potter & mother of Hope Potter Robins to my knowledge has not been discovered. If reliable documentation has been located by your genealogist proving the maiden name of Frances Potter was Child, I’d very much appreciate you sharing it with us. Sara From: Jeff Brown m3jeffy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:49 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS He was my grandfather and I have learned much about his ancestry a friend did an exhaustive study which I can send you if your interested. The Kehnle stuff is my grandmothers root, she was Ravers Elseworth Robins not su re on the spelling of the middle name. The file is big but you can enlarge it as you go Jeff Brown -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 12/4/17, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS To: "ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List" Date: Monday, December 4, 2017, 10:02 AM What do you know about Ravers E ROBINS ? > Posted by: "Jeff Brown" m3jeffy@sbcglobal.net > Date: Sun Dec 3, 2017 2:37 pm ((PST)) > > May be of interest my paternal grandfather was Ravers E Robins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179 -- #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp #yiv9026012179hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp #yiv9026012179ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp .yiv9026012179ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp .yiv9026012179ad p { margin:0;} #yiv9026012179 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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1958 Sender:Jeff Brown Post Date/Time:2017-12-04 17:58:51 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS Message: Sara I am not at all learned in this topic, I find it interesting but do not have the zeal you have in this matter. Here is how I fell into this. I remembered going to the cemetery as a child to tend the graves in Bethel Cem etery in Tottenville SI. I never knew the connection. I was able to find folks on my grandmothers side to bolster her heritage. I ask my friend if she could find my great grandparents, as I was unsure of the Robins heri tage the last link to me finding out who is who on both blood lines. I was blown away by the charts and to be honest was satisfied to learn the Townsend's married a robin and then came my grand dad and great uncle. From reading the many things this is a very popular group and I have enjoyed. I am amazed at the work you all do and thank you for that. I had communicated with you long ago when you ultimately verified that Ravers was inde ed part of this family. Thank you. Jeff Brown -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 12/4/17, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 4, 2017, 4:23 PM Hi Jeff,Thank you for posting your genealogy chart. Just a couple of things I noticed from your chart that may be helpful to you on the Daniel & Hope Potter Robins family.Elizabeth Arney was not the mother of your Daniel Robins. Elizabeth Arney was the second wife of Aaron Robins (1683-1759.) Aaron & Elizabeth had no children together. The name of Aaron Robins first wife & mother of all his children is unknown. The maiden name of Elizabeth Arney is also unknown. We do know she was the widow of John Arney when she married Aaron Robins.The maiden name of Frances wife of William Potter & mother of Hope Potter Robins to my knowledge has not been discovered. If reliable documentation has been located by your genealogist proving the maiden name of Frances Potter was Child, I’d very much appreciate you sharing it with us. Sara From: Jeff Brown m3jeffy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:49 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS He was my grandfather and I have learned much about his ancestry a friend did an exhaustive study which I can send you if your interested. The Kehnle stuff is my grandmothers root, she was Ravers Elseworth Robins not sure on the spelling of the middle name. The file is big but you can enlarge it as you go Jeff Brown -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 12/4/17, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS To: "ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List" Date: Monday, December 4, 2017, 10:02 AM What do you know about Ravers E ROBINS ? > Posted by: "Jeff Brown" m3jeffy@... > Date: Sun Dec 3, 2017 2:37 pm ((PST)) > > May be of interest my paternal grandfather was Ravers E Robins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179 -- #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp #yiv9026012179hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp #yiv9026012179ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp .yiv9026012179ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp .yiv9026012179ad p { margin:0;} #yiv9026012179 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Post Date/Time:2017-12-05 07:12:37 Subject:Revolutionary War Message: It must have been terrible living in New Jersey during the Revolutionary War. I've read that more battles were fought in New Jersey than any other state. Approximately, 1/3 of the people supported the Revolution, 1/3 were Loyalists, and 1/3 were neutral. Even within a family, support could be for either side. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1960 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-05 09:19:49 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS Message: Jeff, So pleased you have joined the Robbins family group & find the topics here interesting. Really appreciate your participation & your willingness to share your Daniel & Hope Potter Robins family line with us. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 5:59 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS Sara I am not at all learned in this topic, I find it interesting but do not have the zeal you have in this matter. Here is how I fell into this. I remembered going to the cemetery as a child to tend the graves in Bethel Cem etery in Tottenville SI. I never knew the connection. I was able to find folks on my grandmothers side to bolster her heritage. I ask my friend if she could find my great grandparents, as I was unsure of the Robins heri tage the last link to me finding out who is who on both blood lines. I was blown away by the charts and to be honest was satisfied to learn the Townsend's married a robin and then came my grand dad and great uncle. From reading the many things this is a very popular group and I have enjoyed. I am amazed at the work you all do and thank you for that. I had communicated with you long ago when you ultimately verified that Ravers was inde ed part of this family. Thank you. Jeff Brown -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 12/4/17, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 4, 2017, 4:23 PM Hi Jeff,Thank you for posting your genealogy chart. Just a couple of things I noticed from your chart that may be helpful to you on the Daniel & Hope Potter Robins family.Elizabeth Arney was not the mother of your Daniel Robins. Elizabeth Arney was the second wife of Aaron Robins (1683-1759.) Aaron & Elizabeth had no children together. The name of Aaron Robins first wife & mother of all his children is unknown. The maiden name of Elizabeth Arney is also unknown. We do know she was the widow of John Arney when she married Aaron Robins.The maiden name of Frances wife of William Potter & mother of Hope Potter Robins to my knowledge has not been discovered. If reliable documentation has been located by your genealogist proving the maiden name of Frances Potter was Child, I’d very much appreciate you sharing it with us. Sara From: Jeff Brown m3jeffy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:49 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS He was my grandfather and I have learned much about his ancestry a friend did an exhaustive study which I can send you if your interested. The Kehnle stuff is my grandmothers root, she was Ravers Elseworth Robins not sure on the spelling of the middle name. The file is big but you can enlarge it as you go Jeff Brown -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 12/4/17, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Ravers E ROBINS To: "ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List" Date: Monday, December 4, 2017, 10:02 AM What do you know about Ravers E ROBINS ? > Posted by: "Jeff Brown" m3jeffy@... > Date: Sun Dec 3, 2017 2:37 pm ((PST)) > > May be of interest my paternal grandfather was Ravers E Robins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179 -- #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp #yiv9026012179hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp #yiv9026012179ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp .yiv9026012179ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv9026012179 #yiv9026012179ygrp-mkp .yiv9026012179ad p { margin:0;} #yiv9026012179 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Sussex Robbins, Catherine M Aten, Philip 8 Nov 1845 Warren Robbins, Charles Decker, Mahala 25 Mar 1871 Sussex Robbins, Elcey Humewell, John 23 Feb 1803 Sussex Robbins, Eliza Vandergrift, Milard 10 Apr 1814 Sussex Robbins, Elizabeth Dennis, William 16 Feb 1804 Sussex Robbins, Elizabeth Sites (?), Andrew 28 Oct 1810 Sussex Robbins, Elizabeth Burger, Peter 11 Aug 1830 Warren Robbins, Mrs Elizabeth Allen, Moses W 5 Feb 1832 Warren Robbins, Ellen Metcalf, Henry 29 May 1851 Warren Robbins, Emmeline Winters, Lewis C 17 Oct 1839 Warren Robbins, George Conriet (?), Hannah 29 Sep 1805 Sussex Robbins, Isaac Lott, Hannah B 12 Jul 1851 Warren Robbins, Jacob V Carter, Mary Ann 12 Mar 1835 Warren Robbins, Jane Vanneste, John 14 Apr 1814 Sussex Robbins, Jane Derumple, Daniel 8 Feb 1845 Warren Robbins, Jesse Lake, Catherine 25 Oct 1812 Sussex Robbins, John Vanhorne, Jane 20 Jan 1811 Sussex Robbins, John Vliet, Elinor 26 Sep 1811 Sussex Robbins, John Jarvis, Sarah E 27 Nov 1875 Sussex Robbins, Lydia Conklin, Walter 7 Apr 1866 Sussex Robbins, Mary Clark, Aaron 30 Aug 1812 Sussex Robbins, Patrick Decker, Julia Ann 16 Sep 1876 Sussex Robbins, Peter Sharps Stewart, Elizabeth 24 Dec 1835 Warren Robbins, Rachel Smith, Abraham 6 Jan 1805 Sussex Robbins, Richard Freeman, Mary 3 Sep 1814 Sussex Robbins, Richard Gaskill, Clara 20 Jul 1872 Sussex Robbins, Ruth Arnold, Stephen 20 Jul 1809 Sussex Robins, Charles Barlow, hannah 18 Apr 1809 Sussex Robins, Cornelius Hankinson, Ann 26 Feb 1811 Sussex Robins, Daniel Myers, Mary 4 Feb 1810 Sussex Robins, Elizabeth Mattison, William 22 Mar 1804 Sussex Robins, Elizabeth Allen, Elijah 25 Mar 1804 Sussex Robins, George Deats, Mercy 3 Nov 1832 Warren Robins, Jane Titman, Abraham 15 Feb 1816 Sussex Robins, John Daniels, Gally (?) 27 Jul 1822 Sussex Robins, John Main, Sophia Mela 20 Feb 1830 Warren Robins, Lydia A Hendershot, William H 11 Jan 1873 Sussex Robins, Matilda Hardwick, Nelson S 19 Sep 1870 Sussex Robins, Rachel Fulford, Aaron 3 Mar 1799 Sussex Robins, Stevens Vancampen, Ester 20 Oct 1819 Sussex Robins, William G Albertson, Margaret 10 Jan 1852 Warren -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1962 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-12-06 15:34:20 Subject:Free Negroes in Middletown Township, Monmouth County, NJ Message: Tax Rateables for Middletown, 1795, Book 1155, p. 17 lists a "Joseph Robins: 1 single man" under a column that names 22 other free black taxpayers.The first appearance of entries labeled "Free Negroes" in Middletown Tow nship began in Oct. of 1779 & continued through to 1797. The name of Joseph Robins only appears one time in 1795. I'm assuming that Joseph Robins had reached the age of 21 by 1795 since his name doesn't appear as a taxp ayer before that date. Where did he go after 1795? Did he die or migrate to another state? Who was Joseph Robins & what was his relationship to the Monmouth County, NJ Robins family? Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1963 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-06 20:42:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Free Negroes in Middletown Township, Monmouth County, NJ Message: I can be a little slow on the uptake sometimes, but do I take that to mean that Joseph Robins is a free black taxpayer in 1795 ? > Posted by: july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Wed Dec 6, 2017 2:34 pm ((PST)) > > Tax Rateables for Middletown, 1795, Book 1155, p. 17 lists a "Joseph > Robins: 1 single man" under a column that names 22 other free black > taxpayers.The first appearance of entries labeled "Free Negroes" in > Middletown Township began in Oct. of 1779 & continued through to 1797. > The name of Joseph Robins only appears one time in 1795. I'm assuming > that Joseph Robins had reached the age of 21 by 1795 since his name > doesn't appear as a taxpayer before that date. Where did he go after > 1795? Did he die or migrate to another state? Who was Joseph Robins & > what was his relationship to the Monmouth County, NJ Robins family? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1964 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-12-06 21:34:38 Subject:Fwd: dna question Message: Hello, I have been trying to figure out this message with no success , so thought perhaps someone in the group may have information on this family. Please scroll down. Thanks, Shirley Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: "vickie lomon" > Date: November 20, 2017 at 7:47:34 PM CST > To: > Subject: dna question > > Our dna albert Jessie chisum matched your dna apparently we are robbin our lines start with john chism of Amelia county his wife elleanor gilletine through there son Elisha chisum who married Elizabeth walden 1787 l icon county Kentucky, second wife winny we don’t know her last name. this family was in overton count tennesse, then they migrated to ark, izard county they had Benjamin who was born 1796 who mary polly waker the had sons William, Henderson, isham,, winny and other, my question is do you know how this family connects to robbin thanks Vickie lomon > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1965 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-06 21:49:51 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Free Negroes in Middletown Township, Monmouth County, NJ Message: Yes that is correct, a man named Joseph Robins is listed with 22 other free black taxpayers in the 1795 Middletown Tax Rateables. Judith Green Watson wrote an article titled Eighteenth-Century Free Negroes in Middletown Township Monmouth County, New Jersey, From the Tax Ratables. It was published in The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey January 2014, Vol. 89, Number 1 pgs. 21-31. Ms. Watson's work is based on the original tax rateables lists located at the NJ State Archives & includes numerous collaborating sources. According to the GMNJ, "Judith Green Watson, a long time member of GMNJ, has contributed transcriptions of early tax lists to GMNJ since 2002 and is currently serving on its editorial committee." Any ideas or comments about Joseph Robins of Middletown, Monmouth County, NJ recorded as a free black man in 1795? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:43 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Free Negroes in Middletown Township, Monmouth County, NJ I can be a little slow on the uptake sometimes, but do I take that to mean that Joseph Robins is a free black taxpayer in 1795 ? > Posted by: july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Wed Dec 6, 2017 2:34 pm ((PST)) > > Tax Rateables for Middletown, 1795, Book 1155, p. 17 lists a "Joseph > Robins: 1 single man" under a column that names 22 other free black > taxpayers.The first appearance of entries labeled "Free Negroes" in > Middletown Township began in Oct. of 1779 & continued through to 1797. > The name of Joseph Robins only appears one time in 1795. I'm assuming > that Joseph Robins had reached the age of 21 by 1795 since his name > doesn't appear as a taxpayer before that date. Where did he go after > 1795? Did he die or migrate to another state? Who was Joseph Robins & > what was his relationship to the Monmouth County, NJ Robins family? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1966 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-12-06 23:16:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fwd: dna question Message: Hi Shirley, I came across a Walker on the Ohio line of Robbins that goes back to New Jersey. I have no idea of it fits Vickie Lomon's family. Eliza T. Walker BIRTH1838 New Jersey DEATH2 Jun 1928DIFFERENT Clinton, Ohio, USANEW sources (11) records (11) photos (1) Family Info | Father | Ezekial WalkerNEW | | Mother | Mary CounsellorNEW | | Spouse | Jesse Dumford (1833-1863) Married 1857 | | Children | - Charles Marion (1861-) - Jessia (1863-) | | Spouse | Wesley C Robbins (1831-1914) Married 1867 | | Children | - Humer (1868-) - Frank (1871-) - Ray (1878-) | On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 11:34:52 PM EST, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello, I have been trying to figure out this message with no success , so thought perhaps someone in the group may have information on this family. Please scroll down. 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Assuming there is a Robbins family match, the male ancestral line from Albert Chisum would have to be studied. John Chisum might not be a Robbins descendant. Garry From: Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 11:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fwd: dna question Hello, I have been trying to figure out this message with no success , so thought perhaps someone in the group may have information on this family. Please scroll down. Thanks, Shirley Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: "vickie lomon" Date: November 20, 2017 at 7:47:34 PM CST To: Subject: dna question Our dna albert Jessie chisum matched your dna apparently we are robbin our lines start with john chism of Amelia county his wife elleanor gilletine through there son Elisha chisum who married Elizabeth walden 1787 l icon county Kentucky, second wife winny we don’t know her last name. this family was in overton count tennesse, then they migrated to ark, izard county they had Benjamin who was born 1796 who mary polly waker the had sons William, Henderson, isham,, winny and other, my question is do you know how this family connects to robbin thanks Vickie lomon ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1968 Sender:Bob Robins Post Date/Time:2017-12-07 06:20:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fwd: dna question Message: I received exactly the same message from Vickie Limon on November 20. She is looking at Y-37 matches (I have 2 Chisum matches at that level).I replied advising her to test further before drawing any conclusions about su rname matches but did provide some information on our Daniel Robbins connection. I also advised that she contact the other Chisum match to see if they know more about the family. ⁣Bob Robins Silver Spring, MD​On Dec 7, 2017, at 6:32 AM, "'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Are these Y-DNA results posted? Assuming there is a Robbins family match, the male ancestral line from Albert Chisum would have to be studied. John Chisum might not be a Robbins descendant. Garry From: Shirley Ha wley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 11:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fwd: dna question Hello, I have been trying to figure out this message with no success , so thought perhaps someone in the group may have information on this family. Please scroll down. Thanks, Shirley Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: "vickie lomon" < vlomon@...> Date: November 20, 2017 at 7:47:34 PM CST To: < robins.shirley@...> Subject: dna question Our dna albert Jessie chisum matched your dna apparently we are robbin our lines start with john chism of Amelia county his wife elleanor gilletine through there son Elisha chisum who married Elizabeth walden 1787 lic on county Kentucky, second wife winny we don’t know her last name. this family was in overton count tennesse, then they migrated to ark, izard county they had Benjamin who was born 1796 who mary polly waker the had so ns William, Henderson, isham,, winny and other, my question is do you know how this family connects to robbin thanks Vickie lomon On Dec 7, 2017, 6:32 AM, at 6:32 AM, "'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: >Are these Y-DNA results posted? > >Assuming there is a Robbins family match, the male ancestral line from >Albert Chisum would have to be studied. John Chisum might not be a >Robbins descendant. > >Garry > >From: Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 11:34 PM >To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fwd: dna question > > > >Hello, I have been trying to figure out this message with no success , >so thought perhaps someone in the group may have information on this >family. Please scroll down. Thanks, Shirley > >Sent from my iPad > >Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "vickie lomon" > Date: November 20, 2017 at 7:47:34 PM CST > To: > Subject: dna question > > >Our dna albert Jessie chisum matched your dna apparently we are robbin >our lines start with john chism of Amelia county his wife elleanor >gilletine through there son Elisha chisum who married Elizabeth walden >1787 licon county Kentucky, second wife winny we don’t know her last >name. this family was in overton count tennesse, then they migrated to >ark, izard county they had Benjamin who was born 1796 who mary polly >waker the had sons William, Henderson, isham,, winny and other, my >question is do you know how this family connects to robbin thanks >Vickie lomon ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1969 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-07 19:48:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Free Negroes in Middletown Township, Monmouth County, NJ Message: The first things that hit me ... Is there a reason (in addition to his surname) to think Joseph Robins was a slave of a ROBINS family before being emancipated? I've always been under the impression that an emancipated slave oftentimes took the surname of his ex-owners. But, I'm not sure now if that is true. Here's a couple of links to blogs/discussions of emancipated slaves' surnames ... http://www.wessyngton.com/blog/2009/08/surnames-used-by-african-american-slaves/ http://www.thiscruelwar.com/they-choose-a-name-for-themselves-surnames-in-slavery-and-freedom/ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1189655 The last link contains other links. I'm sure there are other discussions out there. Another thing that hits me ... could Joseph Robins have been born in the owner's household by a female slave and a male owner? Maybe, in this case, the baby would be given the surname of the owner? (I'm just thinking out loud. I have no basis and haven't researched this.) I've seen births of slaves recorded in Hunterdon Co. Maybe this type of record exists for Monmouth County? > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Wed Dec 6, 2017 8:49 pm ((PST)) > > Yes that is correct, a man named Joseph Robins is listed with 22 other free > black taxpayers in the 1795 Middletown Tax Rateables. Judith Green Watson > wrote an article titled Eighteenth-Century Free Negroes in Middletown > Township Monmouth County, New Jersey, From the Tax Ratables. It was > published in The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey January 2014, Vol. 89, > Number 1 pgs. 21-31. Ms. Watson's work is based on the original tax > rateables lists located at the NJ State Archives & includes numerous > collaborating sources. According to the GMNJ, "Judith Green Watson, a long > time member of GMNJ, has contributed transcriptions of early tax lists to > GMNJ since 2002 and is currently serving on its editorial committee." > > Any ideas or comments about Joseph Robins of Middletown, Monmouth County, NJ > recorded as a free black man in 1795? > > > Sara > Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:43 PM > > I can be a little slow on the uptake sometimes, but do I take that to mean > that Joseph Robins is a free black taxpayer in 1795 ? > >> Posted by: july37@... turkeypt2 >> Date: Wed Dec 6, 2017 2:34 pm ((PST)) >> >> Tax Rateables for Middletown, 1795, Book 1155, p. 17 lists a "Joseph >> Robins: 1 single man" under a column that names 22 other free black >> taxpayers.The first appearance of entries labeled "Free Negroes" in >> Middletown Township began in Oct. of 1779 & continued through to 1797. >> The name of Joseph Robins only appears one time in 1795. I'm assuming >> that Joseph Robins had reached the age of 21 by 1795 since his name >> doesn't appear as a taxpayer before that date. Where did he go after >> 1795? Did he die or migrate to another state? Who was Joseph Robins & >> what was his relationship to the Monmouth County, NJ Robins family? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1970 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-08 13:32:43 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Free Negroes in Middletown Township, Monmouth County, NJ Message: Marshall, Thank you for providing the links for insight regarding the surnames. All we have is there was a free black man named Joseph Robins living in Middletown in 1795. We can only speculate on his relationship to the Robins family. My main interest is learning what happened to Joseph Robins after 1795 if possible. It may be a mystery that we can't solve. However, with the popularity of Y-DNA if Joseph Robins survived after 1795 & had descendants living today they may appear sometime in the future. John Robbins who was born in 1758 & died July 20, 1828 lived at Middletown apparently all his adult life. He is buried there at Christ Episcopal Church Cemetery. This may be the family that was associated with Joseph Robins free black man. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 7:48 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Free Negroes in Middletown Township, Monmouth County, NJ The first things that hit me ... Is there a reason (in addition to his surname) to think Joseph Robins was a slave of a ROBINS family before being emancipated? I've always been under the impression that an emancipated slave oftentimes took the surname of his ex-owners. But, I'm not sure now if that is true. Here's a couple of links to blogs/discussions of emancipated slaves' surnames ... http://www.wessyngton.com/blog/2009/08/surnames-used-by-african-american-sla ves/ http://www.thiscruelwar.com/they-choose-a-name-for-themselves-surnames-in-sl avery-and-freedom/ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1189655 The last link contains other links. I'm sure there are other discussions out there. Another thing that hits me ... could Joseph Robins have been born in the owner's household by a female slave and a male owner? Maybe, in this case, the baby would be given the surname of the owner? (I'm just thinking out loud. I have no basis and haven't researched this.) I've seen births of slaves recorded in Hunterdon Co. Maybe this type of record exists for Monmouth County? > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Wed Dec 6, 2017 8:49 pm ((PST)) > > Yes that is correct, a man named Joseph Robins is listed with 22 other free > black taxpayers in the 1795 Middletown Tax Rateables. Judith Green Watson > wrote an article titled Eighteenth-Century Free Negroes in Middletown > Township Monmouth County, New Jersey, From the Tax Ratables. It was > published in The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey January 2014, Vol. 89, > Number 1 pgs. 21-31. Ms. Watson's work is based on the original tax > rateables lists located at the NJ State Archives & includes numerous > collaborating sources. According to the GMNJ, "Judith Green Watson, a long > time member of GMNJ, has contributed transcriptions of early tax lists to > GMNJ since 2002 and is currently serving on its editorial committee." > > Any ideas or comments about Joseph Robins of Middletown, Monmouth County, NJ > recorded as a free black man in 1795? > > > Sara > Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:43 PM > > I can be a little slow on the uptake sometimes, but do I take that to mean > that Joseph Robins is a free black taxpayer in 1795 ? > >> Posted by: july37@... turkeypt2 >> Date: Wed Dec 6, 2017 2:34 pm ((PST)) >> >> Tax Rateables for Middletown, 1795, Book 1155, p. 17 lists a "Joseph >> Robins: 1 single man" under a column that names 22 other free black >> taxpayers.The first appearance of entries labeled "Free Negroes" in >> Middletown Township began in Oct. of 1779 & continued through to 1797. >> The name of Joseph Robins only appears one time in 1795. I'm assuming >> that Joseph Robins had reached the age of 21 by 1795 since his name >> doesn't appear as a taxpayer before that date. Where did he go after >> 1795? Did he die or migrate to another state? Who was Joseph Robins & >> what was his relationship to the Monmouth County, NJ Robins family? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1971 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-08 19:04:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Free Negroes in Middletown Township, Monmouth County, NJ Message: Yes, it would be great to find a descendant of this Joseph Robins! I would be happy to chip in for a Y-DNA test for such a descendant. > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Fri Dec 8, 2017 12:32 pm ((PST)) > > Marshall, > > Thank you for providing the links for insight regarding the surnames. All > we have is there was a free black man named Joseph Robins living in > Middletown in 1795. We can only speculate on his relationship to the > Robins family. My main interest is learning what happened to Joseph > Robins after 1795 if possible. It may be a mystery that we can't solve. > However, with the popularity of Y-DNA if Joseph Robins survived after > 1795 & had descendants living today they may appear sometime in the > future. John Robbins who was born in 1758 & died July 20, 1828 lived at > Middletown apparently all his adult life. He is buried there at Christ > Episcopal Church Cemetery. This may be the family that was associated > with Joseph Robins free black man. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1972 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-09 11:17:09 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Free Negroes in Middletown Township, Monmouth County, NJ Message: Marshall, Generous offer regarding your willingness to chip in for the Y-DNA. Thank you. Joseph Robins is a puzzle piece in the NJ Robins family & Y-DNA would certainly be required to solve the mystery. It seems logical to me that Joseph Robins free black man was connected in some way to the John Robins (1758-1828) family of Middletown. John Robins is thought to be the son of Zebulon Robins & the grandson of Joseph & Sarah Leah Clayton Robins. Zebulon Robins was an interesting character from what is found in the Society of Friends records. He was dismissed from the Society of Friends in 1775 for fornication with an unnamed woman, marrying two times contrary to rules, striking a man, unbecoming language & not attending religious meetings. He also served in the militia. The NJ Robins family researchers are now aware of this particular Joseph Robins so we can keep an eye out for anything that may pertain to him. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 7:05 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Free Negroes in Middletown Township, Monmouth County, NJ Yes, it would be great to find a descendant of this Joseph Robins! I would be happy to chip in for a Y-DNA test for such a descendant. > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Fri Dec 8, 2017 12:32 pm ((PST)) > > Marshall, > > Thank you for providing the links for insight regarding the surnames. All > we have is there was a free black man named Joseph Robins living in > Middletown in 1795. We can only speculate on his relationship to the > Robins family. My main interest is learning what happened to Joseph > Robins after 1795 if possible. It may be a mystery that we can't solve. > However, with the popularity of Y-DNA if Joseph Robins survived after > 1795 & had descendants living today they may appear sometime in the > future. John Robbins who was born in 1758 & died July 20, 1828 lived at > Middletown apparently all his adult life. He is buried there at Christ > Episcopal Church Cemetery. This may be the family that was associated > with Joseph Robins free black man. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1973 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-12-10 17:38:28 Subject:Re:Sincy Robbins Y-DNA Message: Hi Kathy, I have been thinking about your quest to find a candidate from your Joshua Robbins line for Y-DNA in regards to the Sincy Robbins family. Is there still a chance you can find a candidate? It would be great to solve the Sincy Robbins mystery. Do you think we could make this a group project? Your work on the Sincy Robbins family is appreciated. Please let us know. Thanks, Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1974 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-12-10 21:34:29 Subject:Re:Sincy Robbins Y-DNA Message: I haven’t written you about this but I went down to Atlantic Iowa to spend a long weekend with a friend and discovered myself not far from Monona County where my great great grandfather, John D. Robbins is buried in addition to Clark, Alfred and Evan J and assorted others. I learned there is a Jim Robbins in his 60s about my age who at one time was president of the Monona County Historical Society and was instrumental in building the military museum, next to it. Alfred and Evan J were both civil war veterans, Evan J lost his leg. They both served with an Illinois regiment. So I think he might be our guy. I will ask him who he be longs to. I haven’t done any genealogical searching on him. Chances are good he is “one of us”. What we need is a good explaination of what we need and why we need it. How we get him together with the Robbins DNA p roject, what the exact name of the test is and the cost. I don’t have an idea of how well fixed he is. I would be willing to contribute. It would work best if we could cover the cost. I think some of you might be be tter at explaining this whole thing but we know this guy is interested in history any way. I want to call him, tell him I was there, etc., see if he has done any genealogy study of the Robbins. I am not the best perso n on the phone or maybe email would be better. Get Outlook for iOS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1975 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-11 10:27:22 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re:Sincy Robbins Y-DNA Message: Hi Kathy, Thanks for the update on your work. So pleased you have continued the search. Having Y-DNA results for the Sincy/Joshua Robbins family would be a huge accomplishment. The first step is finding a candidate. Jim Robbins a ppears to be a good possibility from what you tell us. You will need as much of Jim’s ancestry as he can provide to see if his paper trail goes back to Sincy Robbins. If he has a good paper trail the next step is findin g out if he is willing to take the Y-DNA test. If he agrees we can move to the specifics of funding his test. I’m willing to chip in. This part doesn’t have to be your entire responsibility. Once we have the funds we ca n move on to sending instructions & kit. Right now, you have the most important & difficult part of the process & that is finding the right candidate. You had mentioned some Robbins cousins. Any chance of one of them doing Y-DNA as a backup if Jim isn’t willing or he isn’t a Sincy Robbins descendant? Please, let us know if there is any way we can assist you. There are other members more knowledgeable than I am on the Y-DNA testing process who can answer questions for you. We are here to support your efforts. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re:Sincy Robbins Y-DNA I haven’t written you about this but I went down to Atlantic Iowa to spend a long weekend with a friend and discovered myself not far from Monona County where my great great grandfather, John D. Robbins is buried in add ition to Clark, Alfred and Evan J and assorted others. I learned there is a Jim Robbins in his 60s about my age who at one time was president of the Monona County Historical Society and was instrumental in building the military museum, next to it. Alfred and Evan J were both civil war veterans, Evan J lost his leg. They both served with an Illinois regiment. So I think he might be our guy. I will ask him who he belongs to. I hav en’t done any genealogical searching on him. Chances are good he is “one of us”. What we need is a good explaination of what we need and why we need it. How we get him together with the Robbins DNA project, what the exact name of the test is and the cost. I don’t have an idea of how well fixed he is. I would be willing to contribute. It would work best if we could cover the cost. I think some of you might be better at explaini ng this whole thing but we know this guy is interested in history any way. I want to call him, tell him I was there, etc., see if he has done any genealogy study of the Robbins. I am not the best person on the phone o r maybe email would be better. Get Outlook for iOS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1976 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-11 21:17:50 Subject:Hans J ROBINS Message: Snell lists the tenants of the Barker Tract in Hunterdon County in 1765. Among those listed is "Hans J. Robins". Anyone know who this might be? In 1767 Jonathan Robins is listed as a tenant of the Barker Tract. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1977 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-12-12 07:58:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hans J ROBINS Message: Marshall, I think the Barker tract was in present day Warren County, adjoining Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, probably Greenwich Twp. The only Jonathan Robbins I have that fits is Jonathan Robbins Jr. who died in 1796 in Alexandria Twp. I wonder if Hans J. is somehow Jonathan. Otherwise, we’re probably looking at a German or Dutch person. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:17 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hans J ROBINS Snell lists the tenants of the Barker Tract in Hunterdon County in 1765. Among those listed is "Hans J. Robins". Anyone know who this might be? In 1767 Jonathan Robins is listed as a tenant of the Barker Tract. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1978 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-12 10:14:27 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hans J ROBINS Message: Marshall, Since Snell’s list of the Barkers Tract names is from a transcribed copy, it would be interesting to see the original document. The idea you have for a German or Dutch person named Hans J. Robins would be my guess. The German name Roben & Robohn may have been anglicized to Robins. Have you found any other records for Hans J. Robins? Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hans J ROBINS Marshall, I think the Barker tract was in present day Warren County, adjoining Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, probably Greenwich Twp. The only Jonathan Robbins I have that fits is Jonathan Robbins Jr. who died in 1796 in Alexandria Twp. I wonder if Hans J. is somehow Jonathan. Otherwise, we’re probably looking at a German or Dutch person. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:17 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hans J ROBINS Snell lists the tenants of the Barker Tract in Hunterdon County in 1765. Among those listed is "Hans J. Robins". Anyone know who this might be? In 1767 Jonathan Robins is listed as a tenant of the Barker Tract. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1979 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-12 10:20:44 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hans J ROBINS Message: Garry, Correction, it was your idea to look for a German or Dutch named Hans J. Robins. I know you have an extensive research background with your German ancestry. Thanks, Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:59 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hans J ROBINS Marshall, I think the Barker tract was in present day Warren County, adjoining Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, probably Greenwich Twp. The only Jonathan Robbins I have that fits is Jonathan Robbins Jr. who died in 1796 in Alexandria Twp. I wonder if Hans J. is somehow Jonathan. Otherwise, we’re probably looking at a German or Dutch person. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:17 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hans J ROBINS Snell lists the tenants of the Barker Tract in Hunterdon County in 1765. Among those listed is "Hans J. Robins". Anyone know who this might be? In 1767 Jonathan Robins is listed as a tenant of the Barker Tract. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1980 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-12 19:48:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hans J ROBINS Message: Garry, From what I think I know, the Barker Tract extended into both present day Warren Co (Greenwich Twp) and present day Hunterdon Co (then Alexandria Twp, now Holland Twp (and Alexandria Twp?)). There is a Jonathan ROBINS depicted on the Hammond Maps (without looking, from memory) who purchased 92+ acres in Alexandria Twp in 1802. The northern part of the acreage bordered Sussex Co (now Warren Co). The acreage was a little west of Bloomsbury. I've always thought (no real proof) that the Jonathan ROBINS Sr & Jr who died in 1796 lived in the southwestern portion of Alexandria Twp. Sara, No, I've never seen any records for a Hans J ROBINS (or any German ROBINS for that matter). I tend to think that Garry is right and the Hans J ROBINS in 1765 is some sort of error and actually Jonathan ROBINS. > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:14 am ((PST)) > > Marshall, > > Since Snell’s list of the Barkers Tract names is from a transcribed copy, > it would be interesting to see the original document. The idea you have > for a German or Dutch person named Hans J. Robins would be my guess. The > German name Roben & Robohn may have been anglicized to Robins. Have you > found any other records for Hans J. Robins? > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:59 AM > > Marshall, > > I think the Barker tract was in present day Warren County, adjoining Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon County, probably Greenwich Twp. > > The only Jonathan Robbins I have that fits is Jonathan Robbins Jr. who died in 1796 in Alexandria Twp. > > I wonder if Hans J. is somehow Jonathan. Otherwise, we’re probably looking at a German or Dutch person. > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 11:17 PM > > Snell lists the tenants of the Barker Tract in Hunterdon County in 1765. > Among those listed is "Hans J. Robins". Anyone know who this might be? > > In 1767 Jonathan Robins is listed as a tenant of the Barker Tract. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1981 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-12-13 09:33:59 Subject:Re:John Robbins of Middletown, NJ 1784 Tax list Message: This is some additional information on my search for Joseph Robins free black man living at Middletown in 1795. John Robins is on the Middletown 1784 tax list. I haven't located another Robins or Robbins family living t here in 1784 or 1795. John Robins: 135 improved acres; 2 horses; 3 cattle; 1.16.1 pounds; 5 whites, 1 black. Possibly Joseph Robins is the one black person listed with the John Robins family in 1784. I have completed a search of cemetery re cords in the Middletown area & couldn't find a record for Joseph Robins. If he wasn't deceased by 1796, he may appear in another state. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1982 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-12-15 12:05:08 Subject:Robbins Y-DNA Project Message: We're hoping to get male Robbins descendants to participate in the Robbins Y-DNA project. We're specifically looking for descendants of Joshua Robbins born 1777 and his likely siblings, all of whom were probably born i n New Jersey and moved to Columbia County, Pennsylvania. Offers have been made to help with the cost of the testing. I/we welcome inquiries. The family includes: - William born abt. 1757, lived in Greenwood Twp. Sons: John born 29 Dec, 1780 Joseph born 5 Jun, 1797 - Vincent born 1764, lived Greenwood Twp, then Hemlock Twp. Sons: John Kinney born 27 May, 1803 William P. born 1808 - Joseph born abt. 1773, lived Greenwood Twp. Sons: William born 1797 Vincent born 1800 John born abt 1803 Joseph born 1807 Robert born 1810 Jesse born 1814 - John born abt. 1775, lived Greenwood Twp, then Madison Twp. Sons: William B. born 1823 - Joshua born 1777, lived Greenwood Twp, then Jordan Twp, Lycoming County. Sons: I won't list unless requested, they been listed from Joshua's Bible. - Isaac ? born abt. 1780, lived Hemlock Twp. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1983 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-12-15 12:09:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins Y-DNA Project Message: I am trying to get my uncle to take the test. I don’t think money is the issue, but rather the interest. :( iPad > On Dec 15, 2017, at 2:05 PM, gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > We're hoping to get male Robbins descendants to participate in the Robbins Y-DNA project. We're specifically looking for descendants of Joshua Robbins born 1777 and his likely siblings, all of whom were probably born in New Jersey and moved to Columbia County, Pennsylvania. > > Offers have been made to help with the cost of the testing. I/we welcome inquiries. > > > > The family includes: > > - William born abt. 1757, lived in Greenwood Twp. > > Sons: John born 29 Dec, 1780 > > Joseph born 5 Jun, 1797 > > - Vincent born 1764, lived Greenwood Twp, then Hemlock Twp. > > Sons: John Kinney born 27 May, 18 03 > > William P. born 1808 > > - Joseph born abt. 1773, lived Greenwood Twp. > > Sons: William born 1797 > > Vincent born 1800 > > John born abt 1803 > > Joseph born 1807 > > Robert born 1810 > > Jesse born 1814 > > - John born abt. 1775, lived Greenwood Twp, then Madison Twp. > > Sons: William B. born 1823 > > - Joshua born 1777, lived Greenwood Twp, then Jordan Twp, Lycoming County. > > Sons: I won't list unless requested, they been listed from Joshua's Bible. > > - Isaac ? born abt. 1780, lived Hemlock Twp. > > > > Garry > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1984 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-15 18:57:18 Subject:Jonathan ROBINS, d 1774 Alexandria Twp Message: I've been doing research since c1975. Over the years I've found (or been sent) much data which at the time I received it didn't fit with any research I had already done. So, I would file it away. Lately I've started to go through this data that I filed away. Today I came upon a file which was sent to me c2005. I did not record who sent the data. Some of the data in the file is wrong (from what I know), but some offer intriguing possibilities. The data offers no sources. The data says that Jonathan ROBINS (d 1774) married second Mary LITTLE. No dates. Up to this point I haven't seen anything suggesting a second marriage for this Jonathan, but it seems plausible to me since it seems his [first] wife, Dinah ------, was likely deceased by the time Jonathan purchased land in Hunterdon County from Anne MERRILL in 1751. (There was a deed recorded in 1751 where a witness needed to come forward to stipulate that it was indeed Dinah ------ who signed the deed transfer years before.) The data also claims that William ROBINS (d 1811) was born of Jonathan and Mary LITTLE. I've seen that this William ROBINS was born 1724-1728. Is there evidence as to when and where William was born? Off the ROBINS topic, here's something very interesting ... http://gardenstatelegacy.com/files/The_New_Jersey_Early_Land_Records_Project_GSL38.pdf -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1985 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-15 20:34:25 Subject:Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) Message: A while back there was a member of this list ... Charles ... who was trying to determine the parents of Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855 Bethlehem Twp). I tried to send a message to but my message bounced. Does anyone know if the parents of Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) were ever determined? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1986 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-15 21:54:09 Subject:Jonathan ROBINS, d 1774 Alexandria Twp (cont'd) [William ROBINS] Message: In a previous message I mentioned a second spouse of Jonathan ROBINS (d 1774) as Mary LITTLE. I found an estate abstract for a Mary LITTLE in Calendar of Wills. Will of Mary Little of Bethlehem Twp dated 11 Oct 1802, proved 4 Jul 1803. The estate is divided up among the children, and one child, William, is not yet of age. There's not much to connect Mary LITTLE to ROBINS other than this one excerpt: "Son, William, one acre of lower lot a part of William Robins' land purchased from Jonathan Robins, when 21." I'm not quite sure what to make of this but it could be that Mary LITTLE is a daughter of William ROBINS (even though she doesn't describe him as father). -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1987 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-16 00:32:39 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) Message: Marshall, Charles Baker Andrews. He published a book Edinger, Ulmer, Clark and Robbins Families of Hunterdon County, New Jersey and Elsewhere. I don't know if he found the father of Daniel Robins (1786-1855) However, his line connects to the Daniel Robins family through Y-DNA. I haven't heard from Charles since 2015. He was a member of the previous Robbins group. His e-mail was chabooks1@... Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 8:34 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) A while back there was a member of this list ... Charles ... who was trying to determine the parents of Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855 Bethlehem Twp). I tried to send a message to but my message bounced. Does anyone know if the parents of Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) were ever determined? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1988 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-12-16 05:20:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) Message: Hi Sara, I just tried that address and the email was returned. I’d be interested in his book since my gggrandfather married an Edinger. Cindy iPad > On Dec 16, 2017, at 2:32 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Marshall, > > Charles Baker Andrews. He published a book Edinger, Ulmer, Clark and Robbins Families of Hunterdon County, New Jersey and Elsewhere. I don’t know if he found the father of Daniel Robins (1786-1855) However, his line connects to the Daniel Robins family through Y-DNA. I haven’t heard from Charles since 2015. He was a member of the previous Robbins group. His e-mail was chabooks1@... > > &nb sp; Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 8:34 PM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List < br>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) > > > > > > > A while back there was a member of this list ... Charles > ... who was trying to determine the parents of > Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855 Bethlehem Twp). I tried to send a message to > but my message bounced. > > Does anyone know if the parents of Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) were ever > determined? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1989 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-16 09:09:48 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) Message: Cindy, Charles had his book for sale online if you are interested you may do a search. He also told me he had placed a copy in the Hunterdon Co., NJ Historical Society. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 5:21 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) Hi Sara, I just tried that address and the email was returned. I’d be interested in his book since my gggrandfather married an Edinger. Cindy iPad On Dec 16, 2017, at 2:32 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, Charles Baker Andrews. He published a book Edinger, Ulmer, Clark and Robbins Families of Hunterdon County, New Jersey and Elsewhere. I don’t know if he found the father of Daniel Robins (1786-1855) However, his line co nnects to the Daniel Robins family through Y-DNA. I haven’t heard from Charles since 2015. He was a member of the previous Robbins group. His e-mail was chabooks1@... &nb sp; Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 8:34 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List >< br>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) A while back there was a member of this list ... Charles > ... who was trying to determine the parents of Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855 Bethlehem Twp). I tried to send a message to > but my message bounced. Does anyone know if the parents of Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) were ever determined? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1990 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-12-16 10:16:39 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) Message: Thanks Sara, I found the book and a phone number as well. We just spoke and he is going to get back with me. Cindy iPad > On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:09 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Cindy, > > Charles had his book for sale online if you are interested you may do a search. He also told me he had placed a copy in the Hunterdon Co., NJ Historical Society. > > Sara > > > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 5:21 AM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) > > > > > > Hi Sara, > > I just tried that address and the email was returned. I’d be interested in his book since my gggrandfather married an Edinger. > > Cindy > > iPad > > > On Dec 16, 2017, at 2:32 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Marshall, > > Charles Baker Andrews. He published a book Edinger, Ulmer, Clark and Robbins Families of Hunterdon County, New Jersey and Elsewhere. I don’t know if he found the father of Daniel Robins (1786-1855) However, his line connects to the Daniel Robins family through Y-DNA. I haven’t heard from Charles since 2015. He was a member of the previous Robbins group. His e-mail was chabooks1@... > > &nb sp; Sara > > > > > > From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 8:34 PM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List < br>Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) > > > > > > > A while back there was a member of this list ... Charles > ... who was trying to determine the parents of > Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855 Bethlehem Twp). I tried to send a message to > but my message bounced. > > Does anyone know if the parents of Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) were ever > determined? > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1991 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-16 10:57:35 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, d 1774 Alexandria Twp (cont'd) [William ROBINS] Message: Marshall, William Robins d. 1811 & his wife Mary (mnu) d. aft. 1815 had a daughter Mary Robins. Mary Robins was married to Robert Wilson & living in Belmont, Ohio in 1815. Sources: Power of Attorney Letter dated 9-2-1812 for Mary Robins Wilson w/o Robert Wilson. Hunterdon County, NJ Deed Book 24, page 126. Date 5-4-1815. Recorded 1815. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:54 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, d 1774 Alexandria Twp (cont'd) [William ROBINS] In a previous message I mentioned a second spouse of Jonathan ROBINS (d 1774) as Mary LITTLE. I found an estate abstract for a Mary LITTLE in Calendar of Wills. Will of Mary Little of Bethlehem Twp dated 11 Oct 1802, proved 4 Jul 1803. The estate is divided up among the children, and one child, William, is not yet of age. There's not much to connect Mary LITTLE to ROBINS other than this one excerpt: "Son, William, one acre of lower lot a part of William Robins' land purchased from Jonathan Robins, when 21." I'm not quite sure what to make of this but it could be that Mary LITTLE is a daughter of William ROBINS (even though she doesn't describe him as father). -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1992 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-16 13:58:55 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, d 1774 Alexandria Twp Message: Marshall, I was looking at some old files today & see you & I were discussing William Robins back in Feb of 2006. The topic was where William Robins was born, the date & name of his parents. I believe the best we could come up then was an assumed birthdate of 1724-1728 & assumed birth place as Hunterdon Co., NJ. Looks like we re-hashed William a few months ago here & decided he was probably the son of Jonathan Robins 1694-1774. In 2005, a descendant of William Robins had his birth place in Chedworth, England. This information continues to circulate on ancestry trees. The Robbins group researchers in 2006 including you & I were skeptical of that information. Here we are 12 years later & still no definitive conclusion. It appears it will take Y-DNA on this line to prove or disprove William Robins was a Daniel Robins descendant. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 6:57 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, d 1774 Alexandria Twp I've been doing research since c1975. Over the years I've found (or been sent) much data which at the time I received it didn't fit with any research I had already done. So, I would file it away. Lately I've started to go through this data that I filed away. Today I came upon a file which was sent to me c2005. I did not record who sent the data. Some of the data in the file is wrong (from what I know), but some offer intriguing possibilities. The data offers no sources. The data says that Jonathan ROBINS (d 1774) married second Mary LITTLE. No dates. Up to this point I haven't seen anything suggesting a second marriage for this Jonathan, but it seems plausible to me since it seems his [first] wife, Dinah ------, was likely deceased by the time Jonathan purchased land in Hunterdon County from Anne MERRILL in 1751. (There was a deed recorded in 1751 where a witness needed to come forward to stipulate that it was indeed Dinah ------ who signed the deed transfer years before.) The data also claims that William ROBINS (d 1811) was born of Jonathan and Mary LITTLE. I've seen that this William ROBINS was born 1724-1728. Is there evidence as to when and where William was born? Off the ROBINS topic, here's something very interesting ... http://gardenstatelegacy.com/files/The_New_Jersey_Early_Land_Records_Project _GSL38.pdf -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1993 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-16 19:37:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) Message: Cindy, Did you get an email address for Charles? > Posted by: ffb2usa@... > Date: Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:16 am ((PST)) > > Thanks Sara, > I found the book and a phone number as well. We just spoke and he is going to get back with me. > Cindy >> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:09 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> Cindy, >> >> Charles had his book for sale online if you are interested you may do a search. He also told me he had placed a copy in the Hunterdon Co., NJ Historical Society. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1994 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-16 19:41:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Jonathan ROBINS, d 1774 Alexandria Twp (cont'd) [William ROBINS] Message: I wonder, then, what Mary LITTLE's relation with William ROBINS was (if there was one). > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:57 am ((PST)) > > Marshall, > > William Robins d. 1811 & his wife Mary (mnu) d. aft. 1815 had a daughter > Mary Robins. Mary Robins was married to Robert Wilson & living in Belmont, > Ohio in 1815. Sources: Power of Attorney Letter dated 9-2-1812 for Mary > Robins Wilson w/o Robert Wilson. Hunterdon County, NJ Deed Book 24, page > 126. Date 5-4-1815. Recorded 1815. > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:54 PM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List> > > In a previous message I mentioned a second spouse of Jonathan ROBINS (d > 1774) as Mary LITTLE. I found an estate abstract for a Mary LITTLE in > Calendar of Wills. > > Will of Mary Little of Bethlehem Twp dated 11 Oct 1802, proved 4 Jul 1803. > The estate is divided up among the children, and one child, William, is not > yet of age. There's not much to connect Mary LITTLE to ROBINS other than > this one excerpt: "Son, William, one acre of lower lot a part of William > Robins' land purchased from Jonathan Robins, when 21." > > I'm not quite sure what to make of this but it could be that Mary LITTLE is > a daughter of William ROBINS (even though she doesn't describe him as > father). -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1995 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2017-12-16 19:51:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) Message: Yes. Do you want it? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Cindy, > > Did you get an email address for Charles? > > > Posted by: ffb2usa@... > > Date: Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:16 am ((PST)) > > > > Thanks Sara, > > I found the book and a phone number as well. We just spoke and he is going to get back with me. > > Cindy > > >> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:09 AM, 'Sara Hoffman' july37@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > >> > >> Cindy, > >> > >> Charles had his book for sale online if you are interested you may do a search. He also told me he had placed a copy in the Hunterdon Co., NJ Historical Society. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1996 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-17 19:06:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Daniel ROBINS (1786-1855) Message: Yes, please. > Posted by: ffb2usa@... > Date: Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:53 pm ((PST)) > > Yes. Do you want it? >> On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> Did you get an email address for Charles? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1997 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-19 19:44:02 Subject:ROBINS Deeds Message: I came across 3 deed transfers which I might have seen mentioned here before but in case they haven't the following are the abstracts. I have the deeds and transcriptions. dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins received payment - Ann Peters, wife of John Peters (late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ), widow of Vincent Robins grantee - John Buchanan, money paid for purchase of land & premises of son, Obediah Robins 100 acres signed (mark of) Anna Peters Proved - 29 Aug 1777 Judge - Moore Furman witness - John Rockafellow present at time of signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins, eldest son & heir of Vincent Robins, dec'd, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - John Buchanan, innkeeper, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 100 acres in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ names mentioned - Job Robins, George Trimmer, William Barn same land sold to Vincent Robins by Thomas Kitchen, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 17 Jul 1753 signed - Obediah Robins proved - 13 Aug 1777 witness - John Rockafellow Judge - Moore Furman present at signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 1 Jul 1760 grantors - Samuel & Mary Kitchen, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - Daniel Robins, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 2 parcels in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ, one 10 1/2 acres + 14 rods, one 50 acres others named - Isaac Robins dec'd, William Morris, John Robins, Daniel Robins dec'd, same parcels purchased from John & Mary Porter (late of Amwell) 20 May 1751 same parcels purchased from Charles Jr & Mary Hoff (late of Amwell) 16 Nov 1748 signed - Samuel Kitchen proved - 13 May 1761 Judge - John Garrison witnesses - Ralph Potter, John Martin, Abraham Sutphen -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1998 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-12-19 22:08:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Message: Thanks for the information on Obediah Robbins. I have been studying his movement west to Pennsylvania. There is a belief that he died in 1785 but I have never seen any actual documentation on this. They may have had a d aughter Elizabeth Robbins Wright born in 1781 in Somerset PA that ended up along with her Brother William / Mary Drake Robbins and John in Washington Township in Brown County Ohio. Both William and Elizabeth passed away in the 1850's. I have not been able to connect Obediah's and Susannah Hodgkins Robbins to my Ohio Brown County Robbins line yet but my theory I believe is solid. Somerset PA is where Margaret Bingaman Barngrover my 4th Great Grandmoth er was born. There were a number of Vincent's and Azubia's in my Ohio line that make me believe in the Obediah family connection. A lot of New Jersey names managed to come to come to the Kentucky / Ohio border around 18 00. Thanks again for sharing your information ! Cris Robbins On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 9:44:08 PM EST, Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I came across 3 deed transfers which I might have seen mentioned here before but in case they haven't the following are the abstracts. I have the deeds and transcriptions. dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins received payment - Ann Peters, wife of John Peters (late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ), widow of Vincent Robins grantee - John Buchanan, money paid for purchase of land & premises of son, Obediah Robins 100 acres signed (mark of) Anna Peters Proved - 29 Aug 1777 Judge - Moore Furman witness - John Rockafellow present at time of signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins, eldest son & heir of Vincent Robins, dec'd, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - John Buchanan, innkeeper, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 100 acres in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ names mentioned - Job Robins, George Trimmer, William Barn same land sold to Vincent Robins by Thomas Kitchen, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 17 Jul 1753 signed - Obediah Robins proved - 13 Aug 1777 witness - John Rockafellow Judge - Moore Furman present at signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 1 Jul 1760 grantors - Samuel & Mary Kitchen, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - Daniel Robins, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 2 parcels in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ, one 10 1/2 acres + 14 rods, one 50 acres others named - Isaac Robins dec'd, William Morris, John Robins, Daniel Robins dec'd, same parcels purchased from John & Mary Porter (late of Amwell) 20 May 1751 same parcels purchased from Charles Jr & Mary Hoff (late of Amwell) 16 Nov 1748 signed - Samuel Kitchen proved - 13 May 1761 Judge - John Garrison witnesses - Ralph Potter, John Martin, Abraham Sutphen -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv3063558547 #yiv3063558547 -- #yiv3063558547ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3063558547 #yiv3063558547ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3063558547 #yiv 3063558547ygrp-mkp #yiv3063558547hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3063558547 #yiv3063558547ygrp-mkp #yiv3063558547ads 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{border-right:none !important;}#yiv3063558547 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:1999 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-12-20 06:21:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Message: Cris, Here’s a few notes I have for Obediah. Obadiah was a Witness to the Will of Samuel Kitchen of Amwell Township, which was written Oct. 20, 1771. On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had inherited from his father. Obediah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. From the 1790 census for Elizabeth Twp, Allegheny County, PA: Robens, Obediah 1-4-3 From the 1810 census for Elizabeth Twp, Allegheny County, PA: Robins, Obediah 02201-01001 Margret 00100-10101 Garry From: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:08 AM To: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Thanks for the information on Obediah Robbins. I have been studying his movement west to Pennsylvania. There is a belief that he died in 1785 but I have never seen any actual documentation on this. They may have had a d aughter Elizabeth Robbins Wright born in 1781 in Somerset PA that ended up along with her Brother William / Mary Drake Robbins and John in Washington Township in Brown County Ohio. Both William and Elizabeth passed away in the 1850's. I have not been able to connect Obediah's and Susannah Hodgkins Robbins to my Ohio Brown County Robbins line yet but my theory I believe is solid. Somerset PA is where Margaret Bingaman Barngrover my 4th Great Grandmoth er was born. There were a number of Vincent's and Azubia's in my Ohio line that make me believe in the Obediah family connection. A lot of New Jersey names managed to come to come to the Kentucky / Ohio border around 18 00. Thanks again for sharing your information ! Cris Robbins On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 9:44:08 PM EST, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I came across 3 deed transfers which I might have seen mentioned here before but in case they haven't the following are the abstracts. I have the deeds and transcriptions. dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins received payment - Ann Peters, wife of John Peters (late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ), widow of Vincent Robins grantee - John Buchanan, money paid for purchase of land & premises of son, Obediah Robins 100 acres signed (mark of) Anna Peters Proved - 29 Aug 1777 Judge - Moore Furman witness - John Rockafellow present at time of signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins, eldest son & heir of Vincent Robins, dec'd, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - John Buchanan, innkeeper, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 100 acres in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ names mentioned - Job Robins, George Trimmer, William Barn same land sold to Vincent Robins by Thomas Kitchen, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 17 Jul 1753 signed - Obediah Robins proved - 13 Aug 1777 witness - John Rockafellow Judge - Moore Furman present at signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 1 Jul 1760 grantors - Samuel & Mary Kitchen, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - Daniel Robins, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 2 parcels in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ, one 10 1/2 acres + 14 rods, one 50 acres others named - Isaac Robins dec'd, William Morris, John Robins, Daniel Robins dec'd, same parcels purchased from John & Mary Porter (late of Amwell) 20 May 1751 same parcels purchased from Charles Jr & Mary Hoff (late of Amwell) 16 Nov 1748 signed - Samuel Kitchen proved - 13 May 1761 Judge - John Garrison witnesses - Ralph Potter, John Martin, Abraham Sutphen -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2000 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-12-20 13:03:51 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Message: Thanks Garry and Marshall for the new information. Obediah's wife Susannah Hodgkins died in 1814 in Elizabeth township. I am happy to see that he was there on the 1810 Census. Elizabeth Hodgkins parents were James Hodgk ins and Elizabeth Evans both from Pennsylvania. These Family names were also on the Census for Washington Brown County Ohio 1820 thru 1850's. Cris Robbins On Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 8:22:23 AM EST, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Cris, Here’s a few notes I have for Obediah. Obadiah was a Witness to the Will of Samuel Kitchen of Amwell Township, which was written Oct. 20, 1771. On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township , that he had inherited from his father. Obediah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. From the 1790 census for Elizab eth Twp, Allegheny County, PA:Robens, Obediah 1-4-3 From the 1810 census for Elizabeth Twp, Allegheny County, PA:Robins, Obediah 02201-01001 Margret 00100-10101 Garry From: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:08 AMTo: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Thanks for the information on Obediah Robbins. I have been studying his movement west to Pennsylvania. There is a belief that he died in 1785 but I have never seen any actual documentation on this. They may have had a daughter Elizabeth Robbins Wright born in 1781 in Somerset PA that ended up along with her Brother William / Mary Drake Robbins and John in Washington Township in Brown County Ohio. Both William and Elizabeth passed awa y in the 1850's. I have not been able to connect Obediah's and Susannah Hodgkins Robbins to my Ohio Brown County Robbins line yet but my theory I believe is solid. Somerset PA is where Margaret Bingaman Barngrover my 4 th Great Grandmother was born. There were a number of Vincent's and Azubia's in my Ohio line that make me believe in the Obediah family connection. A lot of New Jersey names managed to come to come to the Kentucky / Ohi o border around 1800. / div>Thanks again for sharing your information ! Cris RobbinsOn Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 9:44:08 PM EST, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I came across 3 deed transfers which I might have seen mentioned here before but in case they haven't the following are the abstracts. I have the deeds and transcriptions. dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins received payment - Ann Peters, wife of John Peters (late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ), widow of Vincent Robins grantee - John Buchanan, money paid for purchase of land & premises of son, Obediah Robins 100 acres signed (mark of) Anna Peters Proved - 29 Aug 1777 Judge - Moore Furman witness - John Rockafellow present at time of signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins, eldest son & heir of Vincent Robins, dec'd, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - John Buchanan, innkeeper, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 100 acres in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ names mentioned - Job Robins, George Trimmer, William Barn same land sold to Vincent Robins by Thomas Kitchen, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 17 Jul 1753 signed - Obediah Robins proved - 13 Aug 1777 witness - John Rockafellow Judge - Moore Furman present at signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 1 Jul 1760 grantors - Samuel & Mary Kitchen, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - Daniel Robins, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 2 parcels in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ, one 10 1/2 acres + 14 rods, one 50 acres others named - Isaac Robins dec'd, William Morris, John Robins, Daniel Robins dec'd, same parcels purchased from John & Mary Porter (late of Amwell) 20 May 1751 same parcels purchased from Charles Jr & Mary Hoff (late of Amwell) 16 Nov 1748 signed - Samuel Kitchen proved - 13 May 1761 Judge - John Garrison witnesses - Ralph Potter, John Martin, Abraham Sutphen -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv3162920789 #yiv3162920789 -- #yiv3162920789ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3162920789 #yiv3162920789ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3162920789 #yiv 3162920789ygrp-mkp #yiv3162920789hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3162920789 #yiv3162920789ygrp-mkp #yiv3162920789ads 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{border-right:none !important;}#yiv3162920789 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2001 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-12-20 16:06:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2002 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-20 20:30:17 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Joseph ROBINS (was: ROBINS Deeds) Message: I think this Joseph ROBINS (b 1743, d after 1808) may be the son of Joseph ROBINS (1710-1780) and Leah CLAYTON (1713-1796). Joseph Jr married Jane HOOPES (dau of Abraham HOOPES & Mary WILLIAMSON). Here's a short bio ... From "Edgmont - The Story of a Township" by Jane Levis Carter in 1976 (quoted from the Internet): quote [a discussion on The President Tavern, established in 1806 at the intersection of West Chester and Providence Rd, in Edgmont] Two years later Joseph Robins, the township's Jack of all trades or possibly a son of the same name, became host. [a list of tradesmen in the year 1897 (this should probably be 1797 - MEL)] For this year the many-charactered Joseph Robins is listed as without occupation. The man with the greatest number of females listed in his home in 1790 was Joseph Robbins. He had 11, twice as many as any other man in the [Edgmont] twp. Robbins was alternately, and sometimes concurrently, soldier, farmer, tailor, short-time storekeeper in probably the now Gradyville area, and innkeeper. He seems to have always leased his land and was assessed in 1774 with 170 acres, 2 horses, 4 cattle, 6 sheep. By 1787 his holdings were reduced. It is known Joseph Robbins lived for a time in the NW part of the twp. He may also have lived and run a store. On the foundation of a double house now occupied by the James Frame and Marsden Davis families in Gradyville. A datestone of 1797 in one of the foundations quoins confirms early construction. Robbins had married Jane, dau of Abraham Hoopes, near now Sycamore Mills. When Abraham died in 1798 he left her 65 lb and his Bed and Close. Jane and Joseph Robbins signed the marriage certificate of John and Susanna Smedly, indicating they must have been Friends in good standing. [info on grandson] Grandfather Robins lived to age of 98 years. Joseph Robbins must have been a king of Jack-be-nimble, Jack-be-quick character in a largely female household. Either he or a son by the same name fought in the Revolution. unquote > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx > Date: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:06 pm ((PST)) > > Hi, > > In looking over my notes about Robbins in Allegheny Co. PA, I found > something kind of curious. > > There is a Joseph Robins who appears to have died intestate in St. Clair > twp. Allegheny Co. PA in 1818. The administrators were: Seth Hoops and > Richard Robins. > > I didn't find a Joseph Robins in the Allegheny Co. census records between > 1790 and 1810...but in looking for Seth Hoops, I found both a Joseph > Robins and a Seth Hoops in Edgmont, Delaware Co. PA in 1790 and 1800. On > today's map, it's about 85 miles between St. Clair twp. and Edgmont. > > The Joseph in 1800 is 45 & up. So he would have been born before 1755. > > Very curious!! It seems like the inventory and the account records for > this Joseph could be helpful. I'll attempt to attach the index for his > records here. I'm not sure if it will come through. > > The census details are: > 1790: > Name: Joseph Robins > Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Edgmont, Delaware, > Pennsylvania > Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 1 > Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 3 > Free White Persons - Females: 11 > Number of Household Members: 15 > > 1800: > Name: Joseph Robins > Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Edgemont, Delaware, > Pennsylvania > Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 > Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 > Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 3 > Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 2 > Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1 > Number of Household Members Under 16: 3 > Number of Household Members Over 25: 2 > Number of Household Members: 8 > > It appears this same Joseph Robins appears in Edgmont tax lists too. > 1779, 1783, 1793... > > (Edgmont was in Chester Co. in 1779 and 1783.) > > Anyway. It would be interesting to find out more about this Joseph and > the Richard Robbins administrator with Seth Hoops. > > Tracey -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2003 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-20 20:35:41 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Message: Tracey, Joseph Robins born 1743 & died after 1812 was the son of Joseph Robins 1710-1780 & Sarah Leah Clayton. Joseph Robins 1743-aft 1812 was married to Jane Hoopes. Jane was the daughter of Abraham Hoopes of Edgmont, Delaware Co., PA. Richard was also the son of Joseph Robins & Sara Leah Clayton & brother of Joseph Robins 1743. There is quite a lot of information on this family. Joseph & Jane had a large family. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 4:06 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Hi, In looking over my notes about Robbins in Allegheny Co. PA, I found something kind of curious. There is a Joseph Robins who appears to have died intestate in St. Clair twp. Allegheny Co. PA in 1818. The administrators were: Seth Hoops and Richard Robins. I didn't find a Joseph Robins in the Allegheny Co. census records between 1790 and 1810...but in looking for Seth Hoops, I found both a Joseph Robins and a Seth Hoops in Edgmont, Delaware Co. PA in 1790 and 1800. On today's map, it's about 85 miles between St. Clair twp. and Edgmont. The Joseph in 1800 is 45 & up. So he would have been born before 1755. Very curious!! It seems like the inventory and the account records for this Joseph could be helpful. I'll attempt to attach the index for his records here. I'm not sure if it will come through. The census details are: 1790: Name: Joseph Robins Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Edgmont, Delaware, Pennsylvania Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 3 Free White Persons - Females: 11 Number of Household Members: 15 1800: Name: Joseph Robins Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Edgemont, Delaware, Pennsylvania Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 3 Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 2 Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1 Number of Household Members Under 16: 3 Number of Household Members Over 25: 2 Number of Household Members: 8 It appears this same Joseph Robins appears in Edgmont tax lists too. 1779, 1783, 1793... (Edgmont was in Chester Co. in 1779 and 1783.) Anyway. It would be interesting to find out more about this Joseph and the Richard Robbins administrator with Seth Hoops. Tracey On 12/20/2017 2:03 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Thanks Garry and Marshall for the new information. Obediah's wife Susannah Hodgkins died in 1814 in Elizabeth township.. I am happy to see that he was there on the 1810 Census. Elizabeth Hodgkins parents were James Hodg kins and Elizabeth Evans both from Pennsylvania. These Family names were also on the Census for Washington Brown County Ohio 1820 thru 1850's. Cris Robbins On Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 8:22:23 AM EST, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Cris, Here’s a few notes I have for Obediah. Obadiah was a Witness to the Will of Samuel Kitchen of Amwell Township, which was written Oct. 20, 1771. On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had inherited from his father. Obediah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. From the 1790 census for Elizabeth Twp, Allegheny County, PA: Robens, Obediah 1-4-3 From the 1810 census for Elizabeth Twp, Allegheny County, PA: Robins, Obediah 02201-01001 Margret 00100-10101 Garry From: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:08 AM To: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Thanks for the information on Obediah Robbins. I have been studying his movement west to Pennsylvania. There is a belief that he died in 1785 but I have never seen any actual documentation on this. They may have had a d aughter Elizabeth Robbins Wright born in 1781 in Somerset PA that ended up along with her Brother William / Mary Drake Robbins and John in Washington Township in Brown County Ohio. Both William and Elizabeth passed away in the 1850's. I have not been able to connect Obediah's and Susannah Hodgkins Robbins to my Ohio Brown County Robbins line yet but my theory I believe is solid. Somerset PA is where Margaret Bingaman Barngrover my 4th Great Grandmoth er was born. There were a number of Vincent's and Azubia's in my Ohio line that make me believe in the Obediah family connection. A lot of New Jersey names managed to come to come to the Kentucky / Ohio border around 18 00. / div> Thanks again for sharing your information ! Cris Robbins On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 9:44:08 PM EST, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I came across 3 deed transfers which I might have seen mentioned here before but in case they haven't the following are the abstracts. I have the deeds and transcriptions. dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins received payment - Ann Peters, wife of John Peters (late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ), widow of Vincent Robins grantee - John Buchanan, money paid for purchase of land & premises of son, Obediah Robins 100 acres signed (mark of) Anna Peters Proved - 29 Aug 1777 Judge - Moore Furman witness - John Rockafellow present at time of signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins, eldest son & heir of Vincent Robins, dec'd, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - John Buchanan, innkeeper, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 100 acres in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ names mentioned - Job Robins, George Trimmer, William Barn same land sold to Vincent Robins by Thomas Kitchen, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 17 Jul 1753 signed - Obediah Robins proved - 13 Aug 1777 witness - John Rockafellow Judge - Moore Furman present at signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 1 Jul 1760 grantors - Samuel & Mary Kitchen, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - Daniel Robins, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 2 parcels in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ, one 10 1/2 acres + 14 rods, one 50 acres others named - Isaac Robins dec'd, William Morris, John Robins, Daniel Robins dec'd, same parcels purchased from John & Mary Porter (late of Amwell) 20 May 1751 same parcels purchased from Charles Jr & Mary Hoff (late of Amwell) 16 Nov 1748 signed - Samuel Kitchen proved - 13 May 1761 Judge - John Garrison witnesses - Ralph Potter, John Martin, Abraham Sutphen -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2004 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-12-20 21:10:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Joseph ROBINS Message: Perfect! Thanks Marshall! I can take him out of the Allegheny Co. "mix" with the others! And thanks for starting a new thread for this. I should have done that. Tracey On 12/20/2017 9:30 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I think this Joseph ROBINS (b 1743, d after 1808) may be the son of Joseph ROBINS (1710-1780) and Leah CLAYTON (1713-1796). Joseph Jr married Jane HOOPES (dau of Abraham HOOPES & Mary WILLIAMSON). Here's a short bio ... From "Edgmont - The Story of a Township" by Jane Levis Carter in 1976 (quoted from the Internet): quote [a discussion on The President Tavern, established in 1806 at the intersection of West Chester and Providence Rd, in Edgmont] Two years later Joseph Robins, the township's Jack of all trades or possibly a son of the same name, became host. [a list of tradesmen in the year 1897 (this should probably be 1797 - MEL)] For this year the many-charactered Joseph Robins is listed as without occupation. The man with the greatest number of females listed in his home in 1790 was Joseph Robbins. He had 11, twice as many as any other man in the [Edgmont] twp. Robbins was alternately, and sometimes concurrently, soldier, farmer, tailor, short-time storekeeper in probably the now Gradyville area, and innkeeper. He seems to have always leased his land and was assessed in 1774 with 170 acres, 2 horses, 4 cattle, 6 sheep. By 1787 his holdings were reduced. It is known Joseph Robbins lived for a time in the NW part of the twp. He may also have lived and run a store. On the foundation of a double house now occupied by the James Frame and Marsden Davis families in Gradyville. A datestone of 1797 in one of the foundations quoins confirms early construction. Robbins had married Jane, dau of Abraham Hoopes, near now Sycamore Mills. When Abraham died in 1798 he left her 65 lb and his Bed and Close. Jane and Joseph Robbins signed the marriage certificate of John and Susanna Smedly, indicating they must have been Friends in good standing. [info on grandson] Grandfather Robins lived to age of 98 years. Joseph Robbins must have been a king of Jack-be-nimble, Jack-be-quick character in a largely female household. Either he or a son by the same name fought in the Revolution. unquote > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:06 pm ((PST)) > > Hi, > > In looking over my notes about Robbins in Allegheny Co. PA, I found > something kind of curious. > > There is a Joseph Robins who appears to have died intestate in St. Clair > twp. Allegheny Co. PA in 1818. The administrators were: Seth Hoops and > Richard Robins. > > I didn't find a Joseph Robins in the Allegheny Co. census records between > 1790 and 1810...but in looking for Seth Hoops, I found both a Joseph > Robins and a Seth Hoops in Edgmont, Delaware Co. PA in 1790 and 1800. On > today's map, it's about 85 miles between St. Clair twp. and Edgmont. > > The Joseph in 1800 is 45 & up. So he would have been born before 1755. > > Very curious!! It seems like the inventory and the account records for > this Joseph could be helpful. I'll attempt to attach the index for his > records here. I'm not sure if it will come through. > > The census details are: > 1790: > Name: Joseph Robins > Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Edgmont, Delaware, > Pennsylvania > Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 1 > Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 3 > Free White Persons - Females: 11 > Number of Household Members: 15 > > 1800: > Name: Joseph Robins > Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Edgemont, Delaware, > Pennsylvania > Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 > Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 > Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 3 > Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 2 > Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1 > Number of Household Members Under 16: 3 > Number of Household Members Over 25: 2 > Number of Household Members: 8 > > It appears this same Joseph Robins appears in Edgmont tax lists too. > 1779, 1783, 1793... > > (Edgmont was in Chester Co. in 1779 and 1783.) > > Anyway. It would be interesting to find out more about this Joseph and > the Richard Robbins administrator with Seth Hoops. > > Tracey -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2005 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-12-20 21:18:27 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Message: Hi Tracy, Perhaps he could be a Brother of Obediah Robbins since he was listed as being born in 1750 and the first born son of Vincent and Ann Kitchen Robbins Peters. The location of St. Clair twp. Allegheny Co. PA to Elizabeth twp is only about 18 miles. This website has a great family genealogy of Elizabeth Hodgkins which includes Obediah and Susannah Hodgkins children : http://www.tbgen.com/hodgkins/children.html . I believe tha t Elizabeth Robbins Wright and William and Mary Drake Robbins along with John Robbins and possibly James Robbins who married Cythnia Lucas are all part of Obediah children that came to Washington Twp, Brown County Ohio in the 1820's and stayed to there death. My 3rd G. Grandfather Peter Robbins 1810-1893 father is believed to be from the 1820 Census in Scott Twp, Brown Co, Vincent Robbins age at least 45. No mention of the mother of Vincent 1808 Peter 1810 Ellen 1812 and Azubia 1811 all living in Brown C. throughout the 1800's. Sara told me a Genealogy from North Carolina that had a Vincent Robbins being married to Charity Geertie Ryker. That Vince nt is assumed to be deceased in 1798 in Kentucky and there were 3-4 children from that marriage that traveled from Kentucky to Indiana. Charity Geertie Ryker lived to the 1850's and was buried in Indiana. I do believe that Vincent had a sister Azubia Washburn that lived until 1830 also in Brown Co. Her Husband George Washburn re-Married and moved to Indiana. I have not been able to connect Obediah's children to either my Vincent 17? ?-1775 and his sister Azubia 1768-1830 but I feel the answer like Lou Ann Winterroud and Rita Islo that we have a connection with Isaac and Azubia Thatcher Robbins back in the Goodspeed stories. As a side note I have se en the name of Pierce in PA and in Ohio and wonder if they belong to the widow of Job's son Daniel. Thanks for the sharing of the Joseph information. Cris Robbins ( Y111 and family finder recently done on FTDNA ) On Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 6:06:36 PM EST, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, In looking over my notes about Robbins in Allegheny Co. PA, I found something kind of curious. There is a Joseph Robins who appears to have died intestate in St. Clair twp. Allegheny Co. PA in 1818. The administrators were: Seth Hoops and Richard Robins. I didn't find a Joseph Robins in the Allegheny Co. census records between 1790 and 1810...but in looking for Seth Hoops, I found both a Joseph Robins and a Seth Hoops in Edgmont, Delaware Co. PA in 1790 and 1800. On today's map, it's about 85 miles between St. Clair twp. and Edgmont. The Joseph in 1800 is 45 & up. So he would have been born before 1755. Very curious!! It seems like the inventory and the account records for this Joseph could be helpful. I'll attempt to attach the index for his records here. I'm not sure if it will come through. The census details are: 1790: Name: Joseph Robins Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Edgmont, Delaware, Pennsylvania Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 3 Free White Persons - Females: 11 Number of Household Members: 15 1800: Name: Joseph Robins Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Edgemont, Delaware, Pennsylvania Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 3 Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 2 Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1 Number of Household Members Under 16: 3 Number of Household Members Over 25: 2 Number of Household Members: 8 It appears this same Joseph Robins appears in Edgmont tax lists too. 1779, 1783, 1793... (Edgmont was in Chester Co. in 1779 and 1783.) Anyway. It would be interesting to find out more about this Joseph and the Richard Robbins administrator with Seth Hoops. Tracey On 12/20/2017 2:03 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Thanks Garry and Marshall for the new information. Obediah's wife Susannah Hodgkins died in 1814 in Elizabeth township.. I am happy to see that he was there on the 1810 Census. Elizabeth Hodgkins parents were James Ho dgkins and Elizabeth Evans both from Pennsylvania. These Family names were also on the Census for Washington Brown County Ohio 1820 thru 1850's. Cris Robbins On Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 8:22:23 AM EST, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Cris, Here’s a few notes I have for Obediah. Obadiah was a Witness to the Will of Samuel Kitchen of Amwell Township, which was written Oct. 20, 1771. On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwel l Township, that he had inherited from his father. Obediah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. From the 1790 ce nsus for Elizabeth Twp, Allegheny County, PA: Robens, Obediah 1-4-3 From the 1810 census for Elizabeth Twp, Allegheny County, PA: Robins, Obediah 02201-01001 Margret 0010 0-10101 Garry From: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:08 AM To: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Thanks for the information on Obediah Robbins. I have been studying his movement west to Pennsylvania. There is a belief that he died in 1785 but I have never seen any actual documentation on this. They may have had a daughter Elizabeth Robbins Wright born in 1781 in Somerset PA that ended up along with her Brother William / Mary Drake Robbins and John in Washington Township in Brown County Ohio. Both William and Elizabeth pa ssed away in the 1850's. I have not been able to connect Obediah's and Susannah Hodgkins Robbins to my Ohio Brown County Robbins line yet but my theory I believe is solid. Somerset PA is where Margaret Bingaman Barn grover my 4th Great Grandmother was born. There were a number of Vincent's and Azubia's in my Ohio line that make me believe in the Obediah family connection. A lot of New Jersey names managed to come to come to the K entucky / Ohio border around 1800. / div> Thanks again for sharing your information ! Cris Robbins On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 9:44:08 PM EST, Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I came across 3 deed transfers which I might have seen mentioned here before but in case they haven't the following are the abstracts. I have the deeds andtranscriptions. dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins received payment - Ann Peters, wife of John Peters (late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ), widow of Vincent Robins grantee - John Buchanan, money paid for purchase of land & premises of son, Obediah Robins 100 acres signed (mark of) Anna Peters Proved - 29 Aug 1777 Judge - Moore Furman witness - John Rockafellow present at time of signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins, eldest son & heir of Vincent Robins, dec'd, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - John Buchanan, innkeeper, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 100 acres in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ names mentioned - Job Robins, George Trimmer, William Barn same land sold to Vincent Robins by Thomas Kitchen, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 17 Jul 1753 signed - Obediah Robins proved - 13 Aug 1777 witness - John Rockafellow Judge - Moore Furman present at signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 1 Jul 1760 grantors - 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{border-right:none !important;}#yiv2227356208 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2006 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2017-12-21 07:56:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Message: Hi Cris, See Marshall's earlier message. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/2002 The Joseph Robins I referred to (who left an estate record in Allegheny Co. PA in 1818) is the son of Joseph Robins (1710-1780) and Leah Clayton (1713-1796). The Joseph Robins b. 1710 was the son of Moses. And these families originated in Monmouth Co. NJ. I thought like you that perhaps the Joseph was a brother or uncle or 1st cousin to the Obediah we've discussed here...but he is not. It's interesting to me that the "Monmouth group" of Robins also had some tie to Allegheny Co. That just makes it trickier to keep them all straight! Tracey On 12/20/2017 10:18 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Tracy, Perhaps he could be a Brother of Obediah Robbins since he was listed as being born in 1750 and the first born son of Vincent and Ann Kitchen Robbins Peters. The location of St. Clair twp. Allegheny Co. PA to Elizabeth twp is only about 18 miles. This website has a great family genealogy of Elizabeth Hodgkins which includes Obediah and Susannah Hodgkins children : http://www.tbgen.com/hodgkins/children.html . I believe that Elizabeth Robbins Wright and William and Mary Drake Robbins along with John Robbins and possibly James Robbins who married Cythnia Lucas are all part of Obediah children that came to Washington Twp, Brown County Ohio in the 1820's and stayed to there death. My 3rd G. Grandfather Peter Robbins 1810-1893 father is believed to be from the 1820 Census in Scott Twp, Brown Co, Vincent Robbins age at least 45. No mention of the mother of Vincent 1808 Peter 1810 Ellen 1812 and Azubia 1811 all living in Brown C. throughout the 1800's. Sara told me a Genealogy from North Carolina that had a Vincent Robbins being married to Charity Geertie Ryker. That Vincent is assumed to be deceased in 1798 in Kentucky and there were 3-4 children from that marriage that traveled from Kentucky to Indiana. Charity Geertie Ryker lived to the 1850's and was buried in Indiana. I do believe that Vincent had a sister Azubia Washburn that lived until 1830 also in Brown Co. Her Husband George Washburn re-Married and moved to Indiana. I have not been able to connect Obediah's children to either my Vincent 17??-1775 and his sister Azubia 1768-1830 but I feel the answer like Lou Ann Winterroud and Rita Islo that we have a connection with Isaac and Azubia Thatcher Robbins back in the Goodspeed stories. As a side note I have seen the name of Pierce in PA and in Ohio and wonder if they belong to the widow of Job's son Daniel.. Thanks for the sharing of the Joseph information. Cris Robbins ( Y111 and family finder recently done on FTDNA ) On Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 6:06:36 PM EST, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, In looking over my notes about Robbins in Allegheny Co. PA, I found something kind of curious. There is a Joseph Robins who appears to have died intestate in St. Clair twp. Allegheny Co. PA in 1818. The administrators were: Seth Hoops and Richard Robins. I didn't find a Joseph Robins in the Allegheny Co. census records between 1790 and 1810...but in looking for Seth Hoops, I found both a Joseph Robins and a Seth Hoops in Edgmont, Delaware Co. PA in 1790 and 1800. On today's map, it's about 85 miles between St. Clair twp. and Edgmont. The Joseph in 1800 is 45 & up. So he would have been born before 1755. Very curious!! It seems like the inventory and the account records for this Joseph could be helpful. I'll attempt to attach the index for his records here. I'm not sure if it will come through. The census details are: 1790: Name: Joseph Robins Home in 1790 (City, County, State): Edgmont, Delaware, Pennsylvania Free White Persons - Males - Under 16: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 16 and over: 3 Free White Persons - Females: 11 Number of Household Members: 15 1800: Name: Joseph Robins Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Edgemont, Delaware, Pennsylvania Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 3 Free White Persons - Females - 16 thru 25: 2 Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over: 1 Number of Household Members Under 16: 3 Number of Household Members Over 25: 2 Number of Household Members: 8 It appears this same Joseph Robins appears in Edgmont tax lists too. 1779, 1783, 1793... (Edgmont was in Chester Co. in 1779 and 1783.) Anyway. It would be interesting to find out more about this Joseph and the Richard Robbins administrator with Seth Hoops. Tracey On 12/20/2017 2:03 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Thanks Garry and Marshall for the new information. Obediah's wife Susannah Hodgkins died in 1814 in Elizabeth township.. I am happy to see that he was there on the 1810 Census. Elizabeth Hodgkins parents were James Hodgkins and Elizabeth Evans both from Pennsylvania. These Family names were also on the Census for Washington Brown County Ohio 1820 thru 1850's. Cris Robbins On Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 8:22:23 AM EST, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Cris, Here’s a few notes I have for Obediah. Obadiah was a Witness to the Will of Samuel Kitchen of Amwell Township, which was written Oct. 20, 1771. On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had inherited from his father. Obediah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. From the 1790 census for Elizabeth Twp, Allegheny County, PA: Robens, Obediah 1-4-3 From the 1810 census for Elizabeth Twp, Allegheny County, PA: Robins, Obediah 02201-01001 Margret 00100-10101 Garry From: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:08 AM To: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ROBINS Deeds Thanks for the information on Obediah Robbins. I have been studying his movement west to Pennsylvania. There is a belief that he died in 1785 but I have never seen any actual documentation on this. They may have had a daughter Elizabeth Robbins Wright born in 1781 in Somerset PA that ended up along with her Brother William / Mary Drake Robbins and John in Washington Township in Brown County Ohio. Both William and Elizabeth passed away in the 1850's. I have not been able to connect Obediah's and Susannah Hodgkins Robbins to my Ohio Brown County Robbins line yet but my theory I believe is solid. Somerset PA is where Margaret Bingaman Barngrover my 4th Great Grandmother was born. There were a number of Vincent's and Azubia's in my Ohio line that make me believe in the Obediah family connection. A lot of New Jersey names managed to come to come to the Kentucky / Ohio border around 1800. / div> Thanks again for sharing your information ! Cris Robbins On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 9:44:08 PM EST, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I came across 3 deed transfers which I might have seen mentioned here before but in case they haven't the following are the abstracts. I have the deeds and transcriptions. dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins received payment - Ann Peters, wife of John Peters (late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ), widow of Vincent Robins grantee - John Buchanan, money paid for purchase of land & premises of son, Obediah Robins 100 acres signed (mark of) Anna Peters Proved - 29 Aug 1777 Judge - Moore Furman witness - John Rockafellow present at time of signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 24 Apr 1775 grantor - Obediah Robins, eldest son & heir of Vincent Robins, dec'd, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - John Buchanan, innkeeper, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 100 acres in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ names mentioned - Job Robins, George Trimmer, William Barn same land sold to Vincent Robins by Thomas Kitchen, late of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 17 Jul 1753 signed - Obediah Robins proved - 13 Aug 1777 witness - John Rockafellow Judge - Moore Furman present at signing - Timothy Brush Jr dated - 1 Jul 1760 grantors - Samuel & Mary Kitchen, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - Daniel Robins, Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ 2 parcels in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ, one 10 1/2 acres + 14 rods, one 50 acres others named - Isaac Robins dec'd, William Morris, John Robins, Daniel Robins dec'd, same parcels purchased from John & Mary Porter (late of Amwell) 20 May 1751 same parcels purchased from Charles Jr & Mary Hoff (late of Amwell) 16 Nov 1748 signed - Samuel Kitchen proved - 13 May 1761 Judge - John Garrison witnesses - Ralph Potter, John Martin, Abraham Sutphen -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2007 Sender:gheagy@... Post Date/Time:2017-12-21 11:21:51 Subject:Genealogy Message: This is an off topic post. I've recently revisited another family that I had researched in the past. Someone has posted information that I sourced and shared with someone else. I contacted this person concerning the information and learned how she had acquired it. This person also shared other information she had acquired concerning my family. A researcher had published books in the past. Some of the information was correct, some not. A more recent researcher published inform ation that contradicts what I think is the correct information from the original researcher and he doesn't do it in a respectful manner. Over the past week, I've sent several emails to my contact person with information to help clarify the situation. I've had replies but not one of them has acknowledged the information I sent. I've come to believe tha t the contact person is totally convinced that my information cannot be correct, that this second researcher "has it figured out". Today, I decided to post my information on this ancestor, not mine, but confused with mine. I'm not used to this sort of thing. All the time I've been associated with the Yahoo Robbins Family website, I've experienced open minded, respectful, encouraging, researchers. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2008 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-22 09:27:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Genealogy Message: Garry, How about writing the person again and asking them specifically to address the information you sent? > Posted by: gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:36 am ((PST)) > > This is an off topic post. > > I've recently revisited another family that I had researched in the past. > Someone has posted information that I sourced and shared with someone > else.. I contacted this person concerning the information and learned > how she had acquired it. This person also shared other information she > had acquired concerning my family. A researcher had published books in > the past. Some of the information was correct, some not. A more recent > researcher published information that contradicts what I think is the > correct information from the original researcher and he doesn't do it in > a respectful manner. Over the past week, I've sent several emails to my > contact person with information to help clarify the situation. I've had > replies but not one of them has acknowledged the information I sent. > I've come to believe that the contact person is totally convinced that my > information cannot be correct, that this second researcher "has it > figured out". Today, I decided to post my information on this ancestor, > not mine, but confused with mine. > > I'm not used to this sort of thing. All the time I've been associated > with the Yahoo Robbins Family website, I've experienced open minded, > respectful, encouraging, researchers. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2009 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-12-22 09:47:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Genealogy Message: Marshall, Thanks, but I’m feeling okay with situation now. My information is posted for anyone who has an interest. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 11:27 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Genealogy Garry, How about writing the person again and asking them specifically to address the information you sent? > Posted by: gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:36 am ((PST)) > > This is an off topic post. > > I've recently revisited another family that I had researched in the past. > Someone has posted information that I sourced and shared with someone > else.. I contacted this person concerning the information and learned > how she had acquired it. This person also shared other information she > had acquired concerning my family. A researcher had published books in > the past. Some of the information was correct, some not. A more recent > researcher published information that contradicts what I think is the > correct information from the original researcher and he doesn't do it in > a respectful manner. Over the past week, I've sent several emails to my > contact person with information to help clarify the situation. I've had > replies but not one of them has acknowledged the information I sent. > I've come to believe that the contact person is totally convinced that my > information cannot be correct, that this second researcher "has it > figured out". Today, I decided to post my information on this ancestor, > not mine, but confused with mine. > > I'm not used to this sort of thing. All the time I've been associated > with the Yahoo Robbins Family website, I've experienced open minded, > respectful, encouraging, researchers. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2010 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-22 16:33:38 Subject:Joseph ROBBINS, NJ, married Meribah SALTAR before 1785 Message: Does anyone know who the Joseph ROBBINS named in the following will abstract might be? From CD# 209; Genealogicals Records, Pennsylvania Wills: 1682 - 1834. Broderbund Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834=Philadelphia County, Pa. SALTAR, THOMAS. N. Liberties. City of Phila. Merchant. October 10, 1785. June 7, 1790. U.513. [Thirteen pages of record]. Estates in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, North Carolina and New Jersey]. Wife: Susanna. Sisters: Sarah Leaming, Mary Leaming, Meribah Robbins [in New Jersey, Wife of Joseph Robbins]. Stepbrother: John Coxe [of North Carolina]. Brother-in-Law: Thomas Leaming. Niece and Nephews: Sarah Williamson and her Children, John Britton [Son of Late Sister Hannah], Rebecca Fleeson and her Children, John, Thomas, Ephraim, Hannah, Lucy and Osse [Children of Sister Mary Leaming], Aaron, Paul, Elijah, Elisha, Rebecca, Mary, Rachel, Anne, Elizabeth and Susanna [10] [Children of Stepbrother John Coxe], Miribah, Rebecca and Sarah [Children of Sister Sarah Leaming], and Isaiah [in North Carolina], Jacob, Thomas, John, Ezekiel, Mary, Samuel, Priscilla, Rebecca, Sarah and Susanna [10] [Children of Sister Meribah Robbins], Rachel [Wife of Asher Woolman]. Negro boy: Tom. Cousins: Richard, Lydia, John and Sarah Douglass. Friends: Mary Chancellor [Attendant of Wife]. Jane [Wife of John Brown]. Richard Whitehead. Exec. and Trustees: Nephew Thomas Britton, Peter Knight, Charles Wharton, Richard Whitehead. Wit: Manuel Eyre, Thomas Kinsey, Joseph Burn. Codicil: Signed May 21, 1790. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2011 Sender:"Sara Hoffman" Post Date/Time:2017-12-22 18:17:51 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joseph ROBBINS, NJ, married Meribah SALTAR before 1785 Message: Marshall, Line of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins. All of Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., NJ. Jacob Robins 1698-1774 wife Williamity Joseph Robins 1720-1773 wife Unknown Joseph Robins 1743-after 1786 wife Meribah Salter daughter of Ebenezer & Rebecca Stillwell Salter. Sister of Thomas Salter. Sara From: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com [mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 4:34 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joseph ROBBINS, NJ, married Meribah SALTAR before 1785 Does anyone know who the Joseph ROBBINS named in the following will abstract might be? From CD# 209; Genealogicals Records, Pennsylvania Wills: 1682 - 1834. Broderbund Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834=Philadelphia County, Pa. SALTAR, THOMAS. N. Liberties. City of Phila. Merchant. October 10, 1785. June 7, 1790. U.513. [Thirteen pages of record]. Estates in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, North Carolina and New Jersey]. Wife: Susanna. Sisters: Sarah Leaming, Mary Leaming, Meribah Robbins [in New Jersey, Wife of Joseph Robbins]. Stepbrother: John Coxe [of North Carolina]. Brother-in-Law: Thomas Leaming. Niece and Nephews: Sarah Williamson and her Children, John Britton [Son of Late Sister Hannah], Rebecca Fleeson and her Children, John, Thomas, Ephraim, Hannah, Lucy and Osse [Children of Sister Mary Leaming], Aaron, Paul, Elijah, Elisha, Rebecca, Mary, Rachel, Anne, Elizabeth and Susanna [10] [Children of Stepbrother John Coxe], Miribah, Rebecca and Sarah [Children of Sister Sarah Leaming], and Isaiah [in North Carolina], Jacob, Thomas, John, Ezekiel, Mary, Samuel, Priscilla, Rebecca, Sarah and Susanna [10] [Children of Sister Meribah Robbins], Rachel [Wife of Asher Woolman]. Negro boy: Tom. Cousins: Richard, Lydia, John and Sarah Douglass. Friends: Mary Chancellor [Attendant of Wife]. Jane [Wife of John Brown]. Richard Whitehead. Exec. and Trustees: Nephew Thomas Britton, Peter Knight, Charles Wharton, Richard Whitehead. Wit: Manuel Eyre, Thomas Kinsey, Joseph Burn. Codicil: Signed May 21, 1790. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2012 Sender:july37@... Post Date/Time:2017-12-22 18:32:44 Subject:HOLIDAYS Message: Wishing all the Robbins Family members a Very Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. May all our family history questions be answered in 2018. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2013 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-22 19:37:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joseph ROBBINS, NJ, married Meribah SALTAR before 1785 Message: Thanks very much, Sara. > Posted by: "Sara Hoffman" july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:17 pm ((PST)) > > Marshall, > > Line of Joseph & Hannah Pack Robins. All of Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., > NJ. > > Jacob Robins 1698-1774 wife Williamity > > Joseph Robins 1720-1773 wife Unknown > > Joseph Robins 1743-after 1786 wife Meribah Salter daughter of Ebenezer & > Rebecca Stillwell Salter. Sister of Thomas Salter. > > Sara > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 4:34 PM > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joseph ROBBINS, NJ, married Meribah SALTAR > before 1785 > > Does anyone know who the Joseph ROBBINS named in the following will > abstract might be? > > From CD# 209; Genealogicals Records, Pennsylvania Wills: 1682 - 1834. > Broderbund > > Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834=Philadelphia County, Pa. > > SALTAR, THOMAS. N. Liberties. City of Phila. Merchant. October 10, 1785. > June 7, 1790. U.513. [Thirteen pages of record]. Estates in Pennsylvania, > Philadelphia, North Carolina and New Jersey]. Wife: Susanna. Sisters: > Sarah Leaming, Mary Leaming, Meribah Robbins [in New Jersey, Wife of > Joseph Robbins]. Stepbrother: John Coxe [of North Carolina]. > Brother-in-Law: Thomas Leaming. Niece and Nephews: Sarah Williamson and > her Children, John Britton [Son of Late Sister Hannah], Rebecca Fleeson > and her Children, John, Thomas, Ephraim, Hannah, Lucy and Osse [Children > of Sister Mary Leaming], Aaron, Paul, Elijah, Elisha, Rebecca, Mary, > Rachel, Anne, Elizabeth and Susanna [10] [Children of Stepbrother John > Coxe], Miribah, Rebecca and Sarah [Children of Sister Sarah Leaming], and > Isaiah [in North Carolina], Jacob, Thomas, John, Ezekiel, Mary, Samuel, > Priscilla, Rebecca, Sarah and Susanna [10] [Children of Sister Meribah > Robbins], Rachel [Wife of Asher Woolman]. Negro boy: Tom. Cousins: > Richard, Lydia, John and Sarah Douglass. Friends: Mary Chancellor > [Attendant of Wife]. Jane [Wife of John Brown]. Richard Whitehead. Exec. > and Trustees: Nephew Thomas Britton, Peter Knight, Charles Wharton, > Richard Whitehead. Wit: Manuel Eyre, Thomas Kinsey, Joseph Burn. Codicil: > Signed May 21, 1790. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2014 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-22 19:40:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Genealogy Message: Garry, Is this info pertinent to ROBBINS (or Hunterdon Co, NJ) research? If so, can you tell us where to find it? Thanks. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:47 am ((PST)) > > Marshall, > > Thanks, but I’m feeling okay with situation now. My information is posted for anyone who has an interest. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2015 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-22 19:43:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] HOLIDAYS Message: Thanks, Sara. And I, too, would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. > Posted by: july37@... turkeypt2 > Date: Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:32 pm ((PST)) > > Wishing all the Robbins Family members a Very Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. May all our family history questions be answered in 2018. > Sara -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2016 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-12-23 04:06:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Genealogy Message: Marshall, I was thinking after my post, I should have made it clear that I was referring to the other family that I’m a descendant of. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:40 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Genealogy Garry, Is this info pertinent to ROBBINS (or Hunterdon Co, NJ) research? If so, can you tell us where to find it? Thanks. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:47 am ((PST)) > > Marshall, > > Thanks, but I’m feeling okay with situation now. My information is posted for anyone who has an interest. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2017 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2017-12-23 13:08:32 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] HOLIDAYS Message: Merry Christmas and happy new and I am with Sara I hope we solve our mysteries . One clue to another. Shirley Sent from my iPad > On Dec 22, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Thanks, Sara. And I, too, would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas > and Happy New Year. > > > Posted by: july37@... turkeypt2 > > Date: Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:32 pm ((PST)) > > > > Wishing all the Robbins Family members a Very Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. May all our family history questions be answered in 2018. > > Sara > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2018 Sender:KR Post Date/Time:2017-12-23 16:52:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] HOLIDAYS Message: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from South Carolina, may we be blessed with an open mind in our search of our family. K James Robbins > On Dec 23, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Merry Christmas and happy new and I am with Sara I hope we solve our mysteries . One clue to another. > Shirley > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 22, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> >> Thanks, Sara. And I, too, would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas >> and Happy New Year. >> >> > Posted by: july37@... turkeypt2 >> > Date: Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:32 pm ((PST)) >> > >> > Wishing all the Robbins Family members a Very Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. May all our family history questions be answered in 2018. >> > Sara >> >> -- >> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2019 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-23 17:09:58 Subject:Looking for Some Help (Off Topic) Message: I don't have "Family Tree Maker" (which seems to be "retired" now). In going through a bunch of old files in my "attic" I came across a couple of FTW files. There used to be viewer software for FTW (& FTM) files but I cannot find them now. Does anyone here have "Family Tree Maker"? If so, the FTW files could be input and then GEDCOM files could be output. There's plenty of software to read GEDCOM files. TIA for any help. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2020 Sender:Moria Mclean Post Date/Time:2017-12-23 19:29:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Looking for Some Help (Off Topic) Message: I have FTM. I can send you my copy or disk. Could I load it on Google drive and you download? Moria On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > I don't have "Family Tree Maker" (which seems to be "retired" now). In > going through a bunch of old files in my "attic" I came across a couple of > FTW files. There used to be viewer software for FTW (& FTM) files but I > cannot find them now. > > Does anyone here have "Family Tree Maker"? If so, the FTW files could be > input and then GEDCOM files could be output. There's plenty of software to > read GEDCOM files. > > TIA for any help. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2021 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2017-12-24 02:39:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] HOLIDAYS Message: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all. Get Outlook for iOS On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 7:32 PM -0600, "july37@cox.net [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: Wishing all the Robbins Family members a Very Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. May all our family history questions be answered in 2018. Sara ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2022 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2017-12-24 08:41:17 Subject:HOLIDAYS Message: The best of 2018 to all: Dorman Nelson ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2023 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-24 13:47:24 Subject:"The Jerseyman" Message: The following are various ROBINS/ROBBINS notes from "The Jerseyman", a Quarterly Magazine of Local History and Genealogy ... from "The Jerseyman", Flemington, NJ Vol 2, No 1, March 1893: James Hunter Sterling, [son of James Sterling & Mary Shaw] b. Thursday, Sept. 14th, 1769, at Burlington, N.J., d. Sunday morning, Sept. 9th, 1768, m. Elizabeth Robbins (d. Jan. 24th, 1832), two children. Vol 4, No 2, May 1898 The Kingwood Records Marriages Date of first declaration 14 4 1768 Andrew Robins 5 10 1752 Job Robins Vol 5, No 1, February 1899 Benjamin Robbins is mentioned as bounding the plantation of John Stevenson on the north side of Doctor's Creek on Long Island on 10 Oct 1727. Vol 6, No 4, November 1900 Emily Stevenson Brown [daughter of William A Brown & Mary Fenton Stevenson], born 12 day, 5 mo., 1855 married Earnest A. Robbins 12 day, 10 mo., 1876. Vol 8, No 3, August 1902 Capt. Joseph Taylor, "Boatman," son of George [& Sarah Crowell], born at Garrets Hill 1776. Died 1834. Resided on the Homestead at Garrets Hill, and followed the water as Capt. of a Schooner. Married Mary, daughter of John Robbins. She died 1857, aged 76. Children. Edward, died unmarried. George, married Margaret, daughter of Dr. Frost, S. I., no issue. William, married a daughter of Taber Chadwick. Elizabeth, married Wm. Sherman, resided on the old Homestead at Garrets Hill 1867-1877. Mary, married James Peters, Red Bank. Thomas. Joseph, unmarried. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2024 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2017-12-26 09:57:09 Subject:William ROBBINS, Burlington Co, NJ Message: From the Washington Whig, Bridgeton, NJ, 28 Apr 1817 Paraphrasing ... Having not paid the tax from 1815, 1 lot of 50 acres in Burlington County, NJ owned by Wm Robbins (tax owed - $4.00) will be auctioned 14 May 1817 at City Tavern, Trenton. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2025 Sender:"todd.d.robbins@..." Post Date/Time:2017-12-28 21:14:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] HOLIDAYS Message: Belated holiday greetings to you all! Day to day life has been very consuming for me lately, but I value all of your hard work and correspondence. Thank you for keeping this community alive. And as the admin behind the scene, I wanted to take this opportunity to commit to you all to be more helpful and present this coming year. Cheers! On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 2:39 AM, Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all. > > Get Outlook for iOS > > > > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 7:32 PM -0600, "july37@... > [robbinsfamilysociety]" wrote: > > >> >> Wishing all the Robbins Family members a Very Merry Christmas & a Happy >> New Year. May all our family history questions be answered in 2018. >> >> Sara >> >> >> > -- Tod Robbins, MLIS todrobbins.com | @todrobbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2026 Sender:Robert Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-12-29 12:22:30 Subject:Robbins/Robins DNA Project Message: Although I had joined the Robbins Family Society a few months ago, I haven’t had much to contribute, not knowing if I’m related. I have been waiting on DNA results to find the answer, and I’m afraid I still don’t know. It seems there are hints that I descend from Daniel’s line but I am unsure. Is there anyone who could tell me what markers I should be looking for. Thank You R. Scott Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2027 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2017-12-29 12:37:53 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project Message: Robert, I won’t give you the best answer, but it might be sufficient. Hopefully, your test is with familytreedna. If yes, when you’re results come in, they can be listed on the Robbins Y-DNA page. The markers (12 – 25 – 37) have a number value. Starting with the 1st 12 you’ll look for the closest match. Familytreedna may group your results if they closely match other Robbins. Garry From: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project Although I had joined the Robbins Family Society a few months ago, I haven’t had much to contribute, not knowing if I’m related. I have been waiting on DNA results to find the answer, and I’m afraid I still don’t know. It seems there are hints that I descend from Daniel’s line but I am unsure. Is there anyone who could tell me what markers I should be looking for. Thank You R. Scott Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2028 Sender:Robert Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-12-29 14:09:51 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project Message: Thanks Garry, your answer was a big help. From what I’m seeing, I’m in the Haplogroup R-M269 and my markers fall in the range of Robbins group #1 meaning that I probably do descend from Daniel & Hope Robbins. If you cou ld help me with one more thing. When you talk about listing the results with the Robbins Y-DNA page, how would I do that? I did see a place where it says you can download and it gives you two chooses (I guessing format) CSV or Excel. Which would you recommend? Thanks Scott Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:44 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project Robert, I won’t give you the best answer, but it might be sufficient. Hopefully, your test is with familytreedna. If yes, when you’re results come in, they can be listed on the Robbins Y-DNA page. The markers (12 – 25 – 37) have a number value. Starting with the 1st 12 you’ll look for the closest match. Familytreedna may group your results if they closely match other Robbins. Garry From: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project Although I had joined the Robbins Family Society a few months ago, I haven’t had much to contribute, not knowing if I’m related. I have been waiting on DNA results to find the answer, and I’m afraid I still don’t know. It seems there are hints that I descend from Daniel’s line but I am unsure. Is there anyone who could tell me what markers I should be looking for. Thank You R. Scott Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2029 Sender:Bob Robins Post Date/Time:2017-12-29 14:27:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project [1 Attachment] Message: Scott, If you join the Robbins/Robins DNA project your Y DNA results should be included automatically. Just make sure your FTDNA profile privacy settings allow administrators and project members to see your results. Also add an earliest known ancestor name if you can. You and I match with a genetic distance of 4 at 67 markers so I expect our admin will put you in "Robbins 1 - Descendants of Daniel Robins, c1627-c1714 of Scotland and New Jersey, L-23 R1b1a2a" Robert Robins On 2017-12-29 21:09, Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > Thanks Garry, your answer was a big help. From what I’m seeing, > I’m in the Haplogroup R-M269 and my markers fall in the range of > Robbins group #1 meaning that I probably do descend from Daniel & Hope > Robbins. If you could help me with one more thing. When you talk about > listing the results with the Robbins Y-DNA page, how would I do that? > I did see a place where it says you can download and it gives you two > chooses (I guessing format) CSV or Excel. Which would you recommend? > Thanks Scott > > Sent from Mail [1] for Windows 10 > > FROM: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > SENT: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:44 PM > TO: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > SUBJECT: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project > > Robert, > > I won’t give you the best answer, but it might be sufficient. > > Hopefully, your test is with familytreedna. If yes, when you’re > results come in, they can be listed on the Robbins Y-DNA page. The > markers (12 – 25 – 37) have a number value. Starting with the 1st > 12 you’ll look for the closest match. Familytreedna may group your > results if they closely match other Robbins. > > Garry > > FROM: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > > SENT: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:22 PM > > TO: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > > SUBJECT: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project > > Although I had joined the Robbins Family Society a few months ago, I > haven’t had much to contribute, not knowing if I’m related. I have > been waiting on DNA results to find the answer, and I’m afraid I > still don’t know. It seems there are hints that I descend from > Daniel’s line but I am unsure. Is there anyone who could tell me > what markers I should be looking for. Thank You R. Scott Robbins > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > [2] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/attachments/1860526973;_ylc=X3oDMTJyaW5ybWwxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzcxMDYyOTUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDg3NgRzZWMDYXR0YWNobWVudARzbGsDdmlld09uV2ViBHN0aW1lAzE1MTQ1 ODE4MDA- > [3] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/messages/2028;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOWZqcTJlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzcxMDYyOTUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDg3NgRtc2dJZAMyMDI4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTU xNDU4MTgwMA--?act=reply&messageNum=2028 > [4] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNWRvZ2M5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzcxMDYyOTUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDg3NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MTQ1ODE4MDA- > [5] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/conversations/topics/2026;_ylc=X3oDMTM1bXQzZm1rBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzcxMDYyOTUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDg3NgRtc2dJZAMyMDI4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTUxN DU4MTgwMAR0cGNJZAMyMDI2 > [6] https://yho.com/1wwmgg > [7] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/robbinsfamilysociety/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb2xmMzYxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzcxMDYyOTUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDg3NgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE1MTQ1ODE4MDA- > [8] > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYmRsZDU0BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzcxMDYyOTUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MDg3NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTUxNDU4MTgwMA-- > [9] https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html > [10] https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2030 Sender: Post Date/Time:2017-12-29 14:39:49 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project Message: Yesterday I was notified of a new match (Y-DNA 67) which is with Robert Scott Robbins. If you have joined the Robbins/Robins DNA Project at FTDNA the project admin (who I believe follows this group) should be able to pl ace you in the correct grouping. Since you are only a Genetic Distance of 4 from me at 67 markers I would be surprised if you didn’t end up in “Robbins 1 - Descendants of Daniel Robins, c1627-c1714 of Scotland and New J ersey, L-23 R1b1a2a”. If you haven’t joined the FTDNA project yet you definitely should. It would be helpful if you add your Earliest Known Ancestor (Paternal) to your profile and make sure that your results are visible to admins and project members. For the rest of the group – FTDNA just updated their Y Tree to include the new Y-DNA Haplogroup of R-Y34195, which is a new branch on the tree below the old R-M64. Currently just the 3 Robins/Robbins kits in the “Robbin s 1” group who have taken the FTDNA Big Y test are included Robert Robins Silver Spring, MD From: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project Although I had joined the Robbins Family Society a few months ago, I haven’t had much to contribute, not knowing if I’m related. I have been waiting on DNA results to find the answer, and I’m afraid I still don’t know. It seems there are hints that I descend from Daniel’s line but I am unsure. Is there anyone who could tell me what markers I should be looking for. Thank You R. Scott Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2031 Sender: Post Date/Time:2017-12-29 14:39:48 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project Message: I had a new Y match with Robert Scott Robbins yesterday. A Genetic Distance of 4 at Y-DNA67 is pretty good and puts you in among the many Robbins matches I have at that level. I took a look at the Robbins/Robins DNA Pr oject but would need to know your kit number to see your Y results since you haven’t included an Earliest Known Ancestor and your name isn’t visible to project members in this project. If you want to email me directly y ou should find me on your Y-DNA matches – I think I am probably the only single “b” Robins. I would be surprised if you don’t end up in “Robbins 1 - Descendants of Daniel Robins, c1627-c1714 of Scotland and New Jersey, L-23 R1b1a2a” For the rest of the group, the three of us that have taken the FTDNA Big Y test in that group now show a haplogroup of R-Y34195 (formerly R-M64) as FTDNA has finally got their tree up to date with the analysis results f rom YFull.com (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y20971/) Robert Robins Silver Spring, MD From: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project Although I had joined the Robbins Family Society a few months ago, I haven’t had much to contribute, not knowing if I’m related. I have been waiting on DNA results to find the answer, and I’m afraid I still don’t know. It seems there are hints that I descend from Daniel’s line but I am unsure. Is there anyone who could tell me what markers I should be looking for. Thank You R. Scott Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2032 Sender:Robert Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-12-29 15:21:00 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project [2 Attachments] Message: Yes, I have joined the project and those were my results. I have trouble navigating the site but maybe I didn’t see them because of my privacy settings and no early ancestor. I’ll try changing those and see if that help s. Thanks for the advise. Scott Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: bob@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 4:39 PM To: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project [2 Attachments] Yesterday I was notified of a new match (Y-DNA 67) which is with Robert Scott Robbins. If you have joined the Robbins/Robins DNA Project at FTDNA the project admin (who I believe follows this group) should be able to pl ace you in the correct grouping. Since you are only a Genetic Distance of 4 from me at 67 markers I would be surprised if you didn’t end up in “Robbins 1 - Descendants of Daniel Robins, c1627-c1714 of Scotland and New J ersey, L-23 R1b1a2a”. If you haven’t joined the FTDNA project yet you definitely should. It would be helpful if you add your Earliest Known Ancestor (Paternal) to your profile and make sure that your results are visible to admins and project members. For the rest of the group – FTDNA just updated their Y Tree to include the new Y-DNA Haplogroup of R-Y34195, which is a new branch on the tree below the old R-M64. Currently just the 3 Robins/Robbins kits in the “Robbin s 1” group who have taken the FTDNA Big Y test are included Robert Robins Silver Spring, MD From: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project Although I had joined the Robbins Family Society a few months ago, I haven’t had much to contribute, not knowing if I’m related. I have been waiting on DNA results to find the answer, and I’m afraid I still don’t know. It seems there are hints that I descend from Daniel’s line but I am unsure. Is there anyone who could tell me what markers I should be looking for. Thank You R. Scott Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2033 Sender:marys616 Post Date/Time:2017-12-29 15:48:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project [3 Attachments] Message: Robert, you are a genetic distance of zero from my father, James Robbins. He was born and raised in Ky but his grandparents came from North Carolina. A few years back, his DNA proved the Ky Robbins were descendants of D aniel Robbins of New Jersey. Thanks, Mary > On Dec 29, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Yes, I have joined the project and those were my results. I have trouble navigating the site but maybe I didn’t see them because of my privacy settings and no early ancestor. I’ll try changing those and see if that he lps. Thanks for the advise. Scott > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > From: bob@robins.net [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 4:39 PM > To: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project [2 Attachments] > > > > > > Yesterday I was notified of a new match (Y-DNA 67) which is with Robert Scott Robbins. If you have joined the Robbins/Robins DNA Project at FTDNA the project admin (who I believe follows this group) should be able to place you in the correct grouping. Since you are only a Genetic Distance of 4 from me at 67 markers I would be surprised if you didn’t end up in “Robbins 1 - Descendants of Daniel Robins, c1627-c1714 of Scotland and New Jersey, L-23 R1b1a2a”. > > > > If you haven’t joined the FTDNA project yet you definitely should. It would be helpful if you add your Earliest Known Ancestor (Paternal) to your profile and make sure that your results are visible to admins and proje ct members. > > > > For the rest of the group – FTDNA just updated their Y Tree to include the new Y-DNA Haplogroup of R-Y34195, which is a new branch on the tree below the old R-M64. Currently just the 3 Robins/Robbins kits in the “Robb ins 1” group who have taken the FTDNA Big Y test are included > > > > > Robert Robins > Silver Spring, MD > > > > From: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:22 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project > > > > > > Although I had joined the Robbins Family Society a few months ago, I haven’t had much to contribute, not knowing if I’m related. I have been waiting on DNA results to find the answer, and I’m afraid I still don’t know . It seems there are hints that I descend from Daniel’s line but I am unsure. Is there anyone who could tell me what markers I should be looking for. Thank You R. Scott Robbins > > > > > > > > > > > <695B5EE650F04F14ACC4593FA102876F.png> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2034 Sender:Robert Robbins Post Date/Time:2017-12-29 15:58:21 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project [3 Attachments] Message: Thanks everyone. Change the settings and add an ancestor and was able to see it on the chart. Scott Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 5:21 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project [3 Attachments] Yes, I have joined the project and those were my results. I have trouble navigating the site but maybe I didn’t see them because of my privacy settings and no early ancestor. I’ll try changing those and see if that help s. Thanks for the advise. Scott Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: bob@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 4:39 PM To: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Subject: RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project [2 Attachments] Yesterday I was notified of a new match (Y-DNA 67) which is with Robert Scott Robbins. If you have joined the Robbins/Robins DNA Project at FTDNA the project admin (who I believe follows this group) should be able to pl ace you in the correct grouping. Since you are only a Genetic Distance of 4 from me at 67 markers I would be surprised if you didn’t end up in “Robbins 1 - Descendants of Daniel Robins, c1627-c1714 of Scotland and New J ersey, L-23 R1b1a2a”. If you haven’t joined the FTDNA project yet you definitely should. It would be helpful if you add your Earliest Known Ancestor (Paternal) to your profile and make sure that your results are visible to admins and project members. For the rest of the group – FTDNA just updated their Y Tree to include the new Y-DNA Haplogroup of R-Y34195, which is a new branch on the tree below the old R-M64. Currently just the 3 Robins/Robbins kits in the “Robbin s 1” group who have taken the FTDNA Big Y test are included Robert Robins Silver Spring, MD From: Robert Robbins robertrobbins66@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 2:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Robbins/Robins DNA Project Although I had joined the Robbins Family Society a few months ago, I haven’t had much to contribute, not knowing if I’m related. I have been waiting on DNA results to find the answer, and I’m afraid I still don’t know. It seems there are hints that I descend from Daniel’s line but I am unsure. Is there anyone who could tell me what markers I should be looking for. Thank You R. Scott Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2035 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2017-12-30 16:57:58 Subject:Fwd: Robbins Graves Message: Hello All! Hope everyone had a great holiday and wishing a Happy New Year! I am forwarding an email that I recently sent to Sara and Marshall. While looking at some cemetery records I came across these 3 gravestones for a Robbins family, looks like parents and adult son. I have no idea whether they connect to Daniel Robbins but perhaps someone may know them or connect to them. Sara suggested I post this to group. Hope it helps somewhere. Cynthia Victor Begin forwarded message: > From: Cynthia Victor > Date: December 26, 2017 at 7:04:49 PM CST > To: Marshall Lake , july37@... > Subject: Robbins Graves > > Marshall and Sara, > > I was searching through the memorials of the Saddle River Reformed Church cemetery and found one for a Robbins family. Not sure if this is already known or even connected but thought I would pass it on. > > > > > > > > > > Warmest regards, > Cynthia