----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2346 Sender:genedigger@... Post Date/Time:2019-01-04 15:56:24 Subject:Jesse Robbins son of John Robbins and Ann Ivins? Message: Marcy J. Harrison would like to be invited to this group to discuss what she has on Jesse Robbins. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2347 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-02-20 19:45:46 Subject:Jacob ROBINS, b c1814 NJ Message: Does anyone know who this might be ... 1870 US Census Alexandria Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ enumeration date - 29 Jul 1870 PO - Frenchtown, NJ Jacob ROBINS, age 56, worked as a farmer, retired, born in NJ Sarah A ROBINS, age 46, born in NJ Jennie COLE, age 21, born in PA, married March 1870 Relationships aren't given in the 1870 census. The above three people are all one family. I'm assuming Sarah A is the spouse of Jacob, and Jennie is their daughter who married earlier that year. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2348 Sender:mlake@... Post Date/Time:2019-02-27 20:00:59 Subject:Joseph ROBINS, Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Anyone know how the following Joseph ROBINS fits in? (two deed transfer abstracts ... I assume they're both for the same Joseph ROBINS) ------------------BEGIN DEED TRANSFER #1---------------------- date - 1 Nov 1757 grantor - John BILES (Bellis?) of Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - Joseph ROBINS, yeoman, of Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ money - 240 pounds land - 120 acres situate in Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ land adjoining - John EMLEY P. EMLEY named - James JOHNSON of Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ John BILES purchased same land from John EMLEY 5 May 1750 as part of a tract John EMLEY purchased tract from John OWEN (of London, Great Britain) via attorney Robert SHETTEL (?) of Philadelphia 10 Mar 1737 (recorded in Burlington) signed - John BILES witnesses - Edmund FREEMAN Elisha EMLEY ------------------END DEED TRANSFER #1---------------------- ------------------BEGIN DEED TRANSFER #2---------------------- date - 28 Mar 1773 grantor - Joseph ROBINS of Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - Jeremiah KING of Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ money - 273 pounds land - 91 acres situate in Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ land adjoining - Martain BINDER Daniel FARNSWORTH John EMLEY Joseph ROBINS purchased same land from John BILES (Bellis?) 1 Nov 1757 John BILES purchased same land from John EMLEY 1 May 1750 as part of a tract John EMLEY purchased tract from John OWEN (of London, Great Britain) via attorney Robert SHETTLE (?) of Philadelphia 10 Mar 1737 (recorded in Burlington) signed - Joseph ROBINS Rachel ROBINS witnesses - Thomas STEVENSON Jacob PAXSON John OLIVER ------------------END DEED TRANSFER #2---------------------- Note - In 1772 Daniel ROBINS (son of John ROBINS & Elener ABBOTT) and Anne ------ sell 155 acres in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey to a Jeremiah KING. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2349 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-03-01 04:17:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joseph ROBINS, Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Hi Marshall, We discussed Joseph Robins/Robbins last summer, 22 Aug – 27 Aug. Are you able to find the correspondence? Garry From: mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joseph ROBINS, Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ Anyone know how the following Joseph ROBINS fits in? (two deed transfer abstracts ... I assume they're both for the same Joseph ROBINS) ------------------BEGIN DEED TRANSFER #1---------------------- date - 1 Nov 1757 grantor - John BILES (Bellis?) of Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - Joseph ROBINS, yeoman, of Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ money - 240 pounds land - 120 acres situate in Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ land adjoining - John EMLEY P. EMLEY named - James JOHNSON of Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ John BILES purchased same land from John EMLEY 5 May 1750 as part of a tract John EMLEY purchased tract from John OWEN (of London, Great Britain) via attorney Robert SHETTEL (?) of Philadelphia 10 Mar 1737 (r ecorded in Burlington) signed - John BILES witnesses - Edmund FREEMAN Elisha EMLEY ------------------END DEED TRANSFER #1---------------------- ------------------BEGIN DEED TRANSFER #2---------------------- date - 28 Mar 1773 grantor - Joseph ROBINS of Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ grantee - Jeremiah KING of Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ money - 273 pounds land - 91 acres situate in Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ land adjoining - Martain BINDER Daniel FARNSWORTH John EMLEY Joseph ROBINS purchased same land from John BILES (Bellis?) 1 Nov 1757 John BILES purchased same land from Jo hn EMLEY 1 May 1750 as part of a tract John EMLEY purchased tract from John OWEN (of London, Great Britain) via attorney Robert SHETTLE (?) of Philadelphia 10 Mar 1737 (recorded in Burlington) signed - Joseph ROBINS Rachel ROBINS witnesses - Thomas STEVENSON Jacob PAXSON John OLIVER ------------------END DEED TRANSFER #2---------------------- Note - In 1772 Daniel ROBINS (son of John ROBINS & Elener ABBOTT) and Anne ------ sell 155 acres in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey to a Jeremiah KING. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2350 Sender:mlake@... Post Date/Time:2019-03-01 08:48:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Joseph ROBINS, Kingwood Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Thanks, Garry. Yes, I was able to find the pertinent messages. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2351 Sender:maspden@... Post Date/Time:2019-03-07 21:57:57 Subject:PARKER family in NJ married to Robins/Robbins? Message: Finally ready to make some posts resulting from my AncestryDNA matches. But will give you a laugh first. It took me three test kits to get my results in mid-June, 2018. Proved to a few smarties that I am human afterall. How can anyone fail the spit-into-the tub test? Seemed it was easy for me. Firstly, I want to thank all those who had made posts regarding genetic genealogy. I had saved those postings for future reference. But a family gift of the AncestryDNA kit for Christmas 2017 changed my research priori ties. Soon got on GEDmatch and then was moved over to Genesis GEDMatch. The big break came with AncestryDNA showing all my matches (Oct. 2018). The first challenge concerns the matches with the PARKER family and discovered their roots in New Jersey i.e., Freehold, Monmouth Co. We have known that Abigail Parker, b. 24 Aug 1870, Southampton, Bruce Co., Ontario, Canada, d. 22 July 1991, Brantford, Brant Co., Ontario. She married William Henry Robins, b. Oct 1866 Canboro, Haldimand Co., Canada W est (Ontario) d. 6 Aug 1948 with their wedding on 23 May 1888 in Wiarton, Bruce Co., Ontario. They had a huge family. Abigail Family immediately caught my attention - they settled along the north side (Canadian) of the St. Lawrence River. Her father was Hiram Parker but it was her Grandfather, James Parker, b. 14 Feb 1792 in Edwardsbu rg Tp., Grenville Co., Upper Canada that was most interesting. When I served in that area as a Minister we lived next door to the Edwardsburg Township Hall in the village of Spencerville. Her parents, Hiram Parker m. Ab igail Cook also had a large family. They died and are buried in Tooele, Tooele Co., Utah. Working through my matches more and more connected me to other branches of the Parker family. It is easy to figure out matches to William Henry and Abigail Robins offspring. But how do we account for other matches with other branches of the Parker's? Could they be one or more of the unknown wives in my Rob(b)ins lineage? That is Daniel Jr. m. Mary? I will post this challenge but wish to assure you that I have followed these new matches back to the donor's test results. Murray Aspden St. Albert, Alberta, Canada ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2352 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-03-08 14:38:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] PARKER family in NJ married to Robins/Robbins? Message: Murray, Do you know further back than William Henry ROBINS ? If so, can you post the line? I expect you know that Mary PARKER (1672 Woodbridge-1692 Woodbridge, dau of Elisha PARKER & Elizabeth ------) has been shown to be the first spouse of Daniel ROBINS (1666 New Haven-c1735 Hunterdon Co). It seems Mary PARKER died in childbirth with their first child, Daniel. I'm not sure how much is known about Daniel Jr but I believe he married Elizabeth ------ and it's been suggested they had children: Daniel, Elizabeth & Hannah. I'm no expert but auDNA (Ancestry Kit) isn't good for showing connections to distant generations from the tester (more than ... say ... 4 or 5 generations of separation). However, if there were multiple relationships to PARKERs for the tester it may strengthen the connection/match. > Posted by: maspden@... mbaspden > Date: Thu Mar 7, 2019 8:58 pm ((PST)) > The first challenge concerns the matches with the PARKER family and > discovered their roots in New Jersey i.e., Freehold, Monmouth Co. > > We have known that Abigail Parker, b. 24 Aug 1870, Southampton, Bruce > Co., Ontario, Canada, d. 22 July 1991, Brantford, Brant Co., Ontario. > She married William Henry Robins, b. Oct 1866 Canboro, Haldimand Co., > Canada West (Ontario) d. 6 Aug 1948 with their wedding on 23 May 1888 in > Wiarton, Bruce Co., Ontario. They had a huge family. > > Abigail Family immediately caught my attention - they settled along the > north side (Canadian) of the St. Lawrence River. Her father was Hiram > Parker but it was her Grandfather, James Parker, b. 14 Feb 1792 in > Edwardsburg Tp., Grenville Co., Upper Canada that was most interesting. > When I served in that area as a Minister we lived next door to the > Edwardsburg Township Hall in the village of Spencerville. Her parents, > Hiram Parker m. Abigail Cook also had a large family. They died and are > buried in Tooele, Tooele Co., Utah. > > Working through my matches more and more connected me to other branches > of the Parker family. It is easy to figure out matches to William Henry > and Abigail Robins offspring. > > But how do we account for other matches with other branches of the > Parker's? Could they be one or more of the unknown wives in my Rob(b)ins > lineage? That is Daniel Jr. m. Mary? > > Murray Aspden > > St. Albert, Alberta, Canada -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2353 Sender:Murray Aspden Post Date/Time:2019-03-08 16:28:09 Subject:Yes just was reminded about Mary Parker Message: Hi Marshall, While doing further research on the Robins matches I was reminded of Daniel Robins first wife, Mary Parker. Also felt saddened realizing she died in child birth at the age of 19. We tend to forget how dangerous childbea ring and birth was back then. And this risk continued into the early 20th Century. Ironic that is it International Women’s Day. Wm Henry Robins m. Abigail Parker goes back to the above Daniel Robins Jr. through the second marriage to Mary ?. Please refer to our teams’ Public Member Tree, “The M. B. Aspden Family Tree,” on Ancestry. We are tryi ng to build up the database for the Robins and Robbins who came up to Upper Canada. At least we know that there were Parkers in Monmouth Co., New Jersey prior to 1800. A further outline how my DNA matches with PARKER may help us. Before you receive more genetic genealogy posts based on my AncestryDNA matches, these postings were delayed by AncestryDNA requesting my feedback not only for their Beta ThruLines but also their pre-Beta software. Rath er than complain about it they opened up the opportunity to offer constructive criticism. Hopefully this task will further our own understanding of our Rob(b)ins Family Society in relationship to AncestryDNA matches. Th is request was an interesting challenge to say the least. As to how far back matches can take us and give us provable connections has been amazing - even moreso when establishing communications with living relies. But that is another story. To give you further hints for our Daniel Robins m. Hope Potter family, my match has found other living relies with matches with Daniel Jr. lineage (as seen above). Other matches include these siblings Joseph, Richard, and Benjamin. Have already gave feedback to the ThruLine crew that their search engines are causing confusion. We need to be very careful because a search on “Robins” will pull in 100’s of matches. If we have more than one Rob(b)ins families in our family history, it take time to sort them out. Or eliminate them entirely. The other challenge comes from matching matches when comparison are listed for each profile. There are patterns with the compared matches - other similar names for each profile. These can be sorted out and hope one find s a clue that ties them together. The other pattern comes from the matches being ranked by the size of chromosome segments. For example there may be several similar matches with close cM’s on one or two DNA segments tha t seem to say, “We are related but you have to find out how”. So far I have contacted very few matches that have no tree or a hidden tree. The hidden trees that are worthy of contacting range with closer relationships. And it is no longer surprising to find adoptees searching for their natural families. So will post this reply and go out to shovel a dump of soft, light snow that flew today. Take care. Murray Aspden ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2354 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-03-10 19:37:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Yes just was reminded about Mary Parker Message: Hi Murray, Can you clarify your line? I don't know of a William Henry Robins and Abigail Parker. I thought your line was as follows: Daniel Robbins b 1666 and Mary ? their son John Robbins b. 1695 and Eleanor Abbott their son Daniel Robbins b. 1737 and Anne their son Daniel Robbins b. 1765 and Rachel. (They lived in Gainsborough, Lincoln Co. Ontario Canada starting around 1795) their son James K Robbins b. 1787 and Elizabeth Gilbert their son Leonard Robbins and wife their daughter S? Robbins and husband Jonathan Aspden and on down the Aspdens to you. Help? Tracey On 3/8/2019 5:28 PM, Murray Aspden maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Marshall, While doing further research on the Robins matches I was reminded of Daniel Robins first wife, Mary Parker. Also felt saddened realizing she died in child birth at the age of 19. We tend to forget how dangerous childbearing and birth was back then. And this risk continued into the early 20th Century.. Ironic that is it International Women’s Day. Wm Henry Robins m. Abigail Parker goes back to the above Daniel Robins Jr. through the second marriage to Mary ?. Please refer to our teams’ Public Member Tree, “The M. B. Aspden Family Tree,” on Ancestry. We are trying to build up the database for the Robins and Robbins who came up to Upper Canada. At least we know that there were Parkers in Monmouth Co., New Jersey prior to 1800. A further outline how my DNA matches with PARKER may help us. Before you receive more genetic genealogy posts based on my AncestryDNA matches, these postings were delayed by AncestryDNA requesting my feedback not only for their Beta ThruLines but also their pre-Beta software. Rather than complain about it they opened up the opportunity to offer constructive criticism. Hopefully this task will further our own understanding of our Rob(b)ins Family Society in relationship to AncestryDNA matches. This request was an interesting challenge to say the least. As to how far back matches can take us and give us provable connections has been amazing - even moreso when establishing communications with living relies. But that is another story. To give you further hints for our Daniel Robins m. Hope Potter family, my match has found other living relies with matches with Daniel Jr. lineage (as seen above). Other matches include these siblings Joseph, Richard, and Benjamin. Have already gave feedback to the ThruLine crew that their search engines are causing confusion. We need to be very careful because a search on “Robins” will pull in 100’s of matches. If we have more than one Rob(b)ins families in our family history, it take time to sort them out. Or eliminate them entirely. The other challenge comes from matching matches when comparison are listed for each profile. There are patterns with the compared matches - other similar names for each profile. These can be sorted out and hope one finds a clue that ties them together. The other pattern comes from the matches being ranked by the size of chromosome segments. For example there may be several similar matches with close cM’s on one or two DNA segments that seem to say, “We are related but you have to find out how”. So far I have contacted very few matches that have no tree or a hidden tree.. The hidden trees that are worthy of contacting range with closer relationships. And it is no longer surprising to find adoptees searching for their natural families. So will post this reply and go out to shovel a dump of soft, light snow that flew today. Take care. Murray Aspden ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2355 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-03-10 19:57:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Yes just was reminded about Mary Parker Message: Ah! I just found your tree Murray: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/5186520 So the William Henry Robbins b. 1859 is the brother of your direct ancestor Sarah Melissa Robbins who married Jonathan Aspden. Correct? Tracey On 3/10/2019 9:37 PM, Tracey Marcelo wrote: Hi Murray, Can you clarify your line? I don't know of a William Henry Robins and Abigail Parker. I thought your line was as follows: Daniel Robbins b 1666 and Mary ? their son John Robbins b. 1695 and Eleanor Abbott their son Daniel Robbins b. 1737 and Anne their son Daniel Robbins b. 1765 and Rachel. (They lived in Gainsborough, Lincoln Co. Ontario Canada starting around 1795) their son James K Robbins b. 1787 and Elizabeth Gilbert their son Leonard Robbins and wife their daughter S? Robbins and husband Jonathan Aspden and on down the Aspdens to you. Help? Tracey On 3/8/2019 5:28 PM, Murray Aspden maspden@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Marshall, While doing further research on the Robins matches I was reminded of Daniel Robins first wife, Mary Parker. Also felt saddened realizing she died in child birth at the age of 19. We tend to forget how dangerous childbearing and birth was back then. And this risk continued into the early 20th Century.. Ironic that is it International Women’s Day. Wm Henry Robins m. Abigail Parker goes back to the above Daniel Robins Jr. through the second marriage to Mary ?. Please refer to our teams’ Public Member Tree, “The M. B. Aspden Family Tree,” on Ancestry. We are trying to build up the database for the Robins and Robbins who came up to Upper Canada. At least we know that there were Parkers in Monmouth Co., New Jersey prior to 1800. A further outline how my DNA matches with PARKER may help us. Before you receive more genetic genealogy posts based on my AncestryDNA matches, these postings were delayed by AncestryDNA requesting my feedback not only for their Beta ThruLines but also their pre-Beta software. Rather than complain about it they opened up the opportunity to offer constructive criticism. Hopefully this task will further our own understanding of our Rob(b)ins Family Society in relationship to AncestryDNA matches. This request was an interesting challenge to say the least. As to how far back matches can take us and give us provable connections has been amazing - even moreso when establishing communications with living relies. But that is another story. To give you further hints for our Daniel Robins m. Hope Potter family, my match has found other living relies with matches with Daniel Jr. lineage (as seen above). Other matches include these siblings Joseph, Richard, and Benjamin. Have already gave feedback to the ThruLine crew that their search engines are causing confusion. We need to be very careful because a search on “Robins” will pull in 100’s of matches. If we have more than one Rob(b)ins families in our family history, it take time to sort them out. Or eliminate them entirely. The other challenge comes from matching matches when comparison are listed for each profile. There are patterns with the compared matches - other similar names for each profile. These can be sorted out and hope one finds a clue that ties them together. The other pattern comes from the matches being ranked by the size of chromosome segments. For example there may be several similar matches with close cM’s on one or two DNA segments that seem to say, “We are related but you have to find out how”. So far I have contacted very few matches that have no tree or a hidden tree.. The hidden trees that are worthy of contacting range with closer relationships. And it is no longer surprising to find adoptees searching for their natural families. So will post this reply and go out to shovel a dump of soft, light snow that flew today. Take care. Murray Aspden ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2356 Sender:Murray Aspden Post Date/Time:2019-03-10 20:21:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Yes just was reminded about Mary Parker Message: Yes William Henry Robins was a younger brother to my Great Grandmother Sarah Melissa Aspden nee Robins. Glad you found the Teams’ common database as a shared Public Member Tree. One correction for the above lineage of my Robins - it is the common trap of the wife of John Robins Sr. My lineage is from his wife m. Unknown [Not Eleanor Abbott] In regard to my previous posting about PARKER connected to me - there are at least five generations that we have no surname for the wives of our Robins forebears. Back to figuring out my Rob(b)ins DNA matches. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2357 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-03-11 20:30:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Yes just was reminded about Mary Parker Message: Murray (et al), I need clarification (I probably have something wrong). You say Eleanor ABBOTT is not your ancestor. Your ancestor is a different spouse of John ROBINS (b 1695). In my notes I have John ROBINS (b 1695) & Eleanor ABBOTT (b 1700) marrying c1725 in Amwell Township, Hunterdon Co, NJ. And I have John ROBINS (b 1695) marrying first name unknown. (I also have Eleanor ABBOTT marrying first name unknown.) If I am reading everything right, your direct ancestor is Daniel ROBINS, son of John ROBINS (b 1695). In my notes I have the son, Daniel, being born 1736 in Amwell Township. (I can clarify my sources if need be.) So, it seems to me, according to this info, that Daniel (b 1736) would be a son of Eleanor. What do I have wrong? Was John ROBINS (b 1695) married a third time? I have the children of John ROBINS (b 1695) as Cornelius, Daniel, Elizabeth, John, Job, Anne, Hannah, Jane, Rachel, Lydia, Catharine & Mary. Can someone clarify which children are by Eleanor ABBOTT ? Is it possible that some of these children were born of Eleanor ABBOTT and her first spouse? > Posted by: "Murray Aspden" maspden@... mbaspden > Date: Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:21 pm ((PDT)) > > Yes William Henry Robins was a younger brother to my Great Grandmother > Sarah Melissa Aspden nee Robins. > > Glad you found the Teams’ common database as a shared Public Member > Tree. > > One correction for the above lineage of my Robins - it is the common > trap of the wife of John Robins Sr. My lineage is from his wife m. > Unknown [Not Eleanor Abbott] -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2358 Sender:Murray Aspden Post Date/Time:2019-03-11 22:41:27 Subject:Quick response Message: Hi All. We have to go back to September 2009 to the thread of posts in the Robbins South Jersey Yahoo! Group concerning John Robins Sr. b. 1695. This thread was entered into my own database as the source for him and his family. So I can copy it and try to re-post it. But suspect it may have been moved over to our current Robbins Family Society Yahoo! Group. On 11 September 2009 there was a flurry of posts. This complicated thread by several of the members including you Marshall, we find a well documented discussion on John Robins Sr. b. 1695 marriages and offspring with two wives. For my Robins Lineage I have included my Daniel with the wife “Unknown”. My reaction back then was “Wow! What a lively exchange.” But I must retire for the night. Good Night All. Murr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2359 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-03-12 08:09:35 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Quick response Message: Thanks, Murray. It seems often when I have a ROBINS question I am directed to previous postings in this mailing list. So, before I have any more ROBINS questions I need to re-read all previous postings here. :) > Posted by: "Murray Aspden" maspden@... mbaspden > Date: Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:41 pm ((PDT)) > > We have to go back to September 2009 to the thread of posts in the > Robbins South Jersey Yahoo! Group concerning John Robins Sr. b. 1695. > This thread was entered into my own database as the source for him and > his family. So I can copy it and try to re-post it. But suspect it may > have been moved over to our current Robbins Family Society Yahoo! Group. > On 11 September 2009 there was a flurry of posts. > > This complicated thread by several of the members including you > Marshall, we find a well documented discussion on John Robins Sr. b. > 1695 marriages and offspring with two wives. For my Robins Lineage I > have included my Daniel with the wife “Unknown”. My reaction back then > was “Wow! What a lively exchange.” > > But I must retire for the night. Good Night All. Murr -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2360 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2019-04-02 19:43:53 Subject:Elizabeth Robbins Message: Has anyone checked on this Elizabeth Robbins Rickart? | Birth: | July 5 1752 New Jersey, United States | | Death: | 1814 Rohrsburg, Greenwood Township, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | She was married to Robert Richart and I have been looking for an Elizabeth Robbins or Dildine that could be connected to Jane Robbins somehow. I just found this and haven’t researched it. I have been away for awhile s o sorry if this is old hat. She died a little early. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2361 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-04-03 02:56:20 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elizabeth Robbins Message: The dates are incorrect. Elizabeth Robbins did marry a Rickart/Richart and did live in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 10:43 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elizabeth Robbins Has anyone checked on this Elizabeth Robbins Rickart? Birth: July 5 1752 New Jersey, United States Death: 1814 Rohrsburg, Greenwood Township, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States She was married to Robert Richart and I have been looking for an Elizabeth Robbins or Dildine that could be connected to Jane Robbins somehow. I just found this and haven’t researched it. I have been away for awhile s o sorry if this is old hat. She died a little early. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2362 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2019-04-03 12:24:41 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elizabeth Robbins Message: Looks like a dead end as far as who her parents are. I am now back to Robbins for a while. I get so frustrated with the dead ends and identical people born close to the same year and which one they are married to, I h ad to switch for awhile. Good news is I think there is a male Robbins searching our line Joshua Robbins on Family Search. He has the same Great Grandmother and grandfather pictures I have. I just found it today. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, April 3, 2019, 4:56 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: The dates are incorrect. Elizabeth Robbins did marry a Rickart/Richart and did live in Greenwood Twp, Columbia County, PA. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 10: 43 PMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elizabeth Robbins Has anyone checked on this Elizabeth Robbins Rickart? | Birth: | July 5 1752 New Jersey, United States | | Death: | 1814 Rohrsburg, Greenwood Township, Columbia, Pennsylvania, United States | She was married to Robert Richart and I have been looking for an Elizabeth Robbins or Dildine that could be connected to Jane Robbins somehow. I just found this and haven’t researched it. I have been away for awhile s o sorry if this is old hat. She died a little early. 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Does anyone know if he is descended from Daniel ROBINS & Hope POTTER ? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2364 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-04-06 17:03:54 Subject:Alexandria Township, Hunterdon County, NJ Meeting Minutes Message: An index for Alexandria Twp Meeting Minutes (1765-1837) is at ... http://www.mlake.net/book-indexes/AlexandriaTwpMeetingMinutes.html The actual pages for the Alexandria Twp Meeting Minutes appear here ... https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/008217332?cat=264509 There are a few ROBINS/ROBBINS/ROBENS in the index. www.familysearch.org has the meeting minutes for other townships in Hunterdon County but they are not available for standard online access. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2365 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-04 06:56:17 Subject:Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: Does anyone know who this Amos ROBBINS might be ? ... Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 4 Oct 1837 Died, In Amwell, near the Boars Head, on the 21st ult. Mr. AMOS ROBBINS, in the 80th year of his age. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2366 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-04 06:59:40 Subject:Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) Message: This could be pertaining to the same Amos ROBBINS as previously posted ... Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 5 Mar 1828 For Rent. A TAVERN With 40 acres of excellent land, situate in the township of Amwell, by the name of the BOAR'S HEAD, and possession will be given the first of April 1828. For terms apply to Amos Robbins, Near the premises, or William Britton, Baptist Town, in Kingwood. March 5, 1828. 5 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2367 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2019-05-04 07:19:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) Message: Marshall, Marfy Goodspeed published an article by Egbert Bush about the Boarhouse Tavern and it mentioned a John Robins. I believe the owner’s wife ran away from him to John Robbins and his land bordered the Tavern. https://goodspeedhistories.com/boarshead-tavern-in-the-18th-century/ Cynthia > On May 4, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > This could be pertaining to the same Amos ROBBINS as previously posted ... > > Hunterdon Gazette > Flemington, NJ > 5 Mar 1828 > > For Rent. > A TAVERN > With 40 acres of excellent land, situate in the township of Amwell, by the > name of the BOAR'S HEAD, and possession will be given the first of April > 1828. For terms apply to > Amos Robbins, Near the premises, or > William Britton, Baptist Town, in Kingwood. > March 5, 1828. 5 > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2368 Sender:ck_steger@... Post Date/Time:2019-05-04 07:16:43 Subject:DAR application Message: Has anyone applied (or thought of applying) for DAR or SAR via Peter Sharps Robbins (9/3/1811 - 4/4/1877)? Jonathan Robins is the patriot. Peter’s father was Robert Robins (1/6/1777 - 4/16/1856). The line from Jonathan to Robert was already been proven. I have to show proof from Robert to me. Unfortunately the only record I have as prove is the Michael Shoemaker Book. Which I’m not sure they will accept. Peter is left out of a lot of the records that lists Robert’s children. I think it’s because he stayed out while the family moved back and forth between NJ and PA. Anyhow, any help is appreciated, Cindy Robbins Steger Cindy Robbins Steger ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2369 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-04 07:48:50 Subject:Augustus ROBBINS (b 1817 Monmouth Co) Message: Does anyone have further info on Augustus ROBBINS, b 1817 Monmouth Co, son of Ephraim ROBBINS & Lydia FORD ? I have other info concerning Eliza B ROBBINS, b c1849, d 1876 in childbirth, mar Benjamin S ROBBINS (son of William ROBBINS & Susan Ann SINCLAIR). Eliza B ROBBINS is the daughter of Augustus ROBBINS & Lucy SAVIDGE. I'm wondering if this Augustus ROBBINS and the above Augustus (b 1817) are the same person. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2370 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2019-05-05 11:34:27 Subject:Fwd: DAR application Message: Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Shirley Hawley > Date: May 5, 2019 at 1:25:22 PM CDT > To: ck_steger@... > Subject: Re: DAR application > > Hi, my gt. Grandmother belonged to the DAR of Waupon, Wi. Vestalina Gee Robbins second husband Sykes. I have been trying to trace Peter Robbins. I have census reports of my gt.grandfather, Edward Robbins born Ny . and brother Pa.James living with a Mason and Abigail Grover in Wi. Also, a marriage certificate of Caroline Robbins to a Fairbanks, listing Abigail Grover as her mother and Peter Robbins as her father and James as bro ther. I hope this may tie in with your Peter Robbins. Sincerely, Shirley Robbins Hawley > > Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2371 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-05 13:04:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) Message: Thanks, Cynthia. I follow Marfy's blog/articles. Marfy posts a lot of good leads for Hunterdon County research. > Posted by: "Cynthia Victor" cjvictor8855@... cjvictor8855 > Date: Sat May 4, 2019 7:19 am ((PDT)) > > Marshall, > > Marfy Goodspeed published an article by Egbert Bush about the Boarhouse Tavern and it mentioned a John Robins. I believe the owner’s wife ran away from him to John Robbins and his land bordered the Tavern. > > https://goodspeedhistories.com/boarshead-tavern-in-the-18th-century/ > > Cynthia -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2372 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-05 13:14:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR application Message: I've never applied to the DAR/SAR, so I have no first-hand knowledge. But, from everything I know it seems like a fairly rigorous process in order to be accepted into their membership. I think primary source documents are your best bet. I've been told by multiple people that the Shoemaker book contains many errors. I'm not familiar with the line from Jonathan to Robert. Can you provide a general overview? > Posted by: ck_steger@... ck_steger > Date: Sat May 4, 2019 7:20 am ((PDT)) > > Has anyone applied (or thought of applying) for DAR or SAR via Peter > Sharps Robbins (9/3/1811 - 4/4/1877)? > > Jonathan Robins is the patriot. Peter’s father was Robert Robins > (1/6/1777 - 4/16/1856). The line from Jonathan to Robert was already > been proven. I have to show proof from Robert to me. Unfortunately the > only record I have as prove is the Michael Shoemaker Book. Which I’m not > sure they will accept. > > Peter is left out of a lot of the records that lists Robert’s children. > I think it’s because he stayed out while the family moved back and forth > between NJ and PA. > > Anyhow, any help is appreciated, > > Cindy Robbins Steger -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2373 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2019-05-05 14:02:26 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Fwd: DAR application Message: Sadly it’s the wrong Peter. My ancestor is Peter Sharps Robbins. My direct family line stayed on the East Coast— in NJ/PA/VA. The exception is Edward H. Robbins, who moved to Michigan after divorcing Susan (Edinger)Robbins. He remarried— to Carl ie Blanchard. They had one child, a daughter, named Birdie. Wish it was the same line. 😧 Cindy Steger > On May 5, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPad > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Shirley Hawley >> Date: May 5, 2019 at 1:25:22 PM CDT >> To: ck_steger@... >> Subject: Re: DAR application >> >> Hi, my gt. Grandmother belonged to the DAR of Waupon, Wi. Vestalina Gee Robbins second husband Sykes. I have been trying to trace Peter Robbins. I have census reports of my gt.grandfather, Edward Robbins born N y. and brother Pa.James living with a Mason and Abigail Grover in Wi. Also, a marriage certificate of Caroline Robbins to a Fairbanks, listing Abigail Grover as her mother and Peter Robbins as her father and James as br other. I hope this may tie in with your Peter Robbins. Sincerely, Shirley Robbins Hawley >> >> Sent from my iPad > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2374 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2019-05-05 14:07:25 Subject:Fwd: DAR application Message: Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Shirley Hawley > Date: May 5, 2019 at 1:25:22 PM CDT > To: ck_steger@... > Subject: Re: DAR application > > Hi, my gt. Grandmother belonged to the DAR of Waupon, Wi. Vestalina Gee Robbins second husband Sykes. I have been trying to trace Peter Robbins. I have census reports of my gt.grandfather, Edward Robbins born Ny . and brother Pa.James living with a Mason and Abigail Grover in Wi. Also, a marriage certificate of Caroline Robbins to a Fairbanks, listing Abigail Grover as her mother and Peter Robbins as her father and James as bro ther. I hope this may tie in with your Peter Robbins. Sincerely, Shirley Robbins Hawley > > Sent from my iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2375 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2019-05-05 14:14:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR application Message: Here’s my family tree. Jonathan is the father of John. Both were in the war and have been certified (or whatever it’s called). Cindy Steger > On May 5, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > I've never applied to the DAR/SAR, so I have no first-hand knowledge. > But, from everything I know it seems like a fairly rigorous process in > order to be accepted into their membership. I think primary source > documents are your best bet. > > I've been told by multiple people that the Shoemaker book contains many > errors. > > I'm not familiar with the line from Jonathan to Robert. Can you provide a > general overview? > > > Posted by: ck_steger@... ck_steger > > Date: Sat May 4, 2019 7:20 am ((PDT)) > > > > Has anyone applied (or thought of applying) for DAR or SAR via Peter > > Sharps Robbins (9/3/1811 - 4/4/1877)? > > > > Jonathan Robins is the patriot. Peter’s father was Robert Robins > > (1/6/1777 - 4/16/1856). The line from Jonathan to Robert was already > > been proven. I have to show proof from Robert to me. Unfortunately the > > only record I have as prove is the Michael Shoemaker Book. Which I’m not > > sure they will accept. > > > > Peter is left out of a lot of the records that lists Robert’s children. > > I think it’s because he stayed out while the family moved back and forth > > between NJ and PA. > > > > Anyhow, any help is appreciated, > > > > Cindy Robbins Steger > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2376 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2019-05-05 14:28:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR application [1 Attachment] Message: Thank you so much, but even enlarging your tree I can't read it. Can you enlarge from your end? I appreciate your thoughtfulness , Shirley. Sent from my iPad > On May 5, 2019, at 4:14 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Here’s my family tree. Jonathan is the father of John. Both were in the war and have been certified (or whatever it’s called).. > > > > > > > Cindy Steger > >> On May 5, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> >> I've never applied to the DAR/SAR, so I have no first-hand knowledge. >> But, from everything I know it seems like a fairly rigorous process in >> order to be accepted into their membership. I think primary source >> documents are your best bet. >> >> I've been told by multiple people that the Shoemaker book contains many >> errors. >> >> I'm not familiar with the line from Jonathan to Robert. Can you provide a >> general overview? >> >> > Posted by: ck_steger@... ck_steger >> > Date: Sat May 4, 2019 7:20 am ((PDT)) >> > >> > Has anyone applied (or thought of applying) for DAR or SAR via Peter >> > Sharps Robbins (9/3/1811 - 4/4/1877)? >> > >> > Jonathan Robins is the patriot. Peter’s father was Robert Robins >> > (1/6/1777 - 4/16/1856). The line from Jonathan to Robert was already >> > been proven. I have to show proof from Robert to me. Unfortunately the >> > only record I have as prove is the Michael Shoemaker Book. Which I’m not >> > sure they will accept. >> > >> > Peter is left out of a lot of the records that lists Robert’s children. >> > I think it’s because he stayed out while the family moved back and forth >> > between NJ and PA. >> > >> > Anyhow, any help is appreciated, >> > >> > Cindy Robbins Steger >> >> -- >> Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2377 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2019-05-05 17:23:39 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR application Message: I broke it into two halves. Let me know if this is better. * William Francis Robbins is my grandfather. Cindy Steger > On May 5, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > Thank you so much, but even enlarging your tree I can't read it. Can you enlarge from your end? I appreciate your thoughtfulness , Shirley. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On May 5, 2019, at 4:14 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> Here’s my family tree. Jonathan is the father of John. Both were in the war and have been certified (or whatever it’s called)... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cindy Steger >> >>> On May 5, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I've never applied to the DAR/SAR, so I have no first-hand knowledge. >>> But, from everything I know it seems like a fairly rigorous process in >>> order to be accepted into their membership. I think primary source >>> documents are your best bet. >>> >>> I've been told by multiple people that the Shoemaker book contains many >>> errors. >>> >>> I'm not familiar with the line from Jonathan to Robert. Can you provide a >>> general overview? >>> >>> > Posted by: ck_steger@... ck_steger >>> > Date: Sat May 4, 2019 7:20 am ((PDT)) >>> > >>> > Has anyone applied (or thought of applying) for DAR or SAR via Peter >>> > Sharps Robbins (9/3/1811 - 4/4/1877)? >>> > >>> > Jonathan Robins is the patriot. Peter’s father was Robert Robins >>> > (1/6/1777 - 4/16/1856). The line from Jonathan to Robert was already >>> > been proven. I have to show proof from Robert to me. Unfortunately the >>> > only record I have as prove is the Michael Shoemaker Book. Which I’m not >>> > sure they will accept. >>> > >>> > Peter is left out of a lot of the records that lists Robert’s children. >>> > I think it’s because he stayed out while the family moved back and forth >>> > between NJ and PA. >>> > >>> > Anyhow, any help is appreciated, >>> > >>> > Cindy Robbins Steger >>> >>> -- >>> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net >>> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2378 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2019-05-05 18:28:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR application [2 Attachments] Message: That was perfect, I see now where Peter fits in. You are so kind . I have hunted for my Peter for years. Dodge co. Wi. Records burned in the 1800 s and that is my stumbling block. Peter must have died and the mother remarried . My Dad was Jacob Edward Robbins, his father John, died age 34 then Edward died age 36 and ? Peter. It has been nice searching with you. I was so hopeful. Thank you again. Shirley Sent from my iPad > On May 5, 2019, at 7:23 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > I broke it into two halves. Let me know if this is better. > > * William Francis Robbins is my grandfather. > > > > > > > Cindy Steger > >> On May 5, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> Thank you so much, but even enlarging your tree I can't read it. Can you enlarge from your end? I appreciate your thoughtfulness , Shirley. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On May 5, 2019, at 4:14 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>> >>> >>> Here’s my family tree. Jonathan is the father of John. Both were in the war and have been certified (or whatever it’s called).... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cindy Steger >>> >>>> On May 5, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I've never applied to the DAR/SAR, so I have no first-hand knowledge. >>>> But, from everything I know it seems like a fairly rigorous process in >>>> order to be accepted into their membership. I think primary source >>>> documents are your best bet. >>>> >>>> I've been told by multiple people that the Shoemaker book contains many >>>> errors. >>>> >>>> I'm not familiar with the line from Jonathan to Robert. Can you provide a >>>> general overview? >>>> >>>> > Posted by: ck_steger@... ck_steger >>>> > Date: Sat May 4, 2019 7:20 am ((PDT)) >>>> > >>>> > Has anyone applied (or thought of applying) for DAR or SAR via Peter >>>> > Sharps Robbins (9/3/1811 - 4/4/1877)? >>>> > >>>> > Jonathan Robins is the patriot. Peter’s father was Robert Robins >>>> > (1/6/1777 - 4/16/1856). The line from Jonathan to Robert was already >>>> > been proven. I have to show proof from Robert to me. Unfortunately the >>>> > only record I have as prove is the Michael Shoemaker Book. Which I’m not >>>> > sure they will accept. >>>> > >>>> > Peter is left out of a lot of the records that lists Robert’s children. >>>> > I think it’s because he stayed out while the family moved back and forth >>>> > between NJ and PA. >>>> > >>>> > Anyhow, any help is appreciated, >>>> > >>>> > Cindy Robbins Steger >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net >>>> >>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2379 Sender:ffb2usa@... Post Date/Time:2019-05-05 19:51:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] DAR application Message: I feel your pain. My great grandfather died young and I can’t find anything about it. Very, very, VERY frustrating. Hope you get a break, Cindy Cindy Steger > On May 5, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > That was perfect, I see now where Peter fits in. You are so kind . I have hunted for my Peter for years. Dodge co. Wi. Records burned in the 1800 s and that is my stumbling block. Peter must have died and the moth er remarried . My Dad was Jacob Edward Robbins, his father John, died age 34 then Edward died age 36 and ? Peter. > It has been nice searching with you. I was so hopeful. Thank you again. Shirley > > Sent from my iPad > >> On May 5, 2019, at 7:23 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> I broke it into two halves. Let me know if this is better. >> >> * William Francis Robbins is my grandfather. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cindy Steger >> >>> On May 5, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thank you so much, but even enlarging your tree I can't read it. Can you enlarge from your end? I appreciate your thoughtfulness , Shirley. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On May 5, 2019, at 4:14 PM, ffb2usa@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Here’s my family tree. Jonathan is the father of John. Both were in the war and have been certified (or whatever it’s called)..... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cindy Steger >>>> >>>>> On May 5, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've never applied to the DAR/SAR, so I have no first-hand knowledge. >>>>> But, from everything I know it seems like a fairly rigorous process in >>>>> order to be accepted into their membership. I think primary source >>>>> documents are your best bet. >>>>> >>>>> I've been told by multiple people that the Shoemaker book contains many >>>>> errors. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not familiar with the line from Jonathan to Robert. Can you provide a >>>>> general overview? >>>>> >>>>> > Posted by: ck_steger@... ck_steger >>>>> > Date: Sat May 4, 2019 7:20 am ((PDT)) >>>>> > >>>>> > Has anyone applied (or thought of applying) for DAR or SAR via Peter >>>>> > Sharps Robbins (9/3/1811 - 4/4/1877)? >>>>> > >>>>> > Jonathan Robins is the patriot. Peter’s father was Robert Robins >>>>> > (1/6/1777 - 4/16/1856). The line from Jonathan to Robert was already >>>>> > been proven. I have to show proof from Robert to me. Unfortunately the >>>>> > only record I have as prove is the Michael Shoemaker Book. Which I’m not >>>>> > sure they will accept. >>>>> > >>>>> > Peter is left out of a lot of the records that lists Robert’s children. >>>>> > I think it’s because he stayed out while the family moved back and forth >>>>> > between NJ and PA. >>>>> > >>>>> > Anyhow, any help is appreciated, >>>>> > >>>>> > Cindy Robbins Steger >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net >>>>> >>>> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2380 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-08 10:46:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) Message: There is so much we don’t know. I was not aware of Amos Robins who died in 1837, although I see I have a 2 of his children in the wrong place. It seems that Amos had a daughter, Elizabeth, who was married 1st to John Sine Jr. In 1805 John Sine purchased the Boar’s Head Tavern. John Sine Jr. died about 1806. Elizabeth Sine, widow, married Dec. 4, 1811 William Brittain/Britton widower. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 9:59 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) This could be pertaining to the same Amos ROBBINS as previously posted ... Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 5 Mar 1828 For Rent. A TAVERN With 40 acres of excellent land, situate in the township of Amwell, by the name of the BOAR'S HEAD, and possession will be given the first of April 1828. For terms apply to Amos Robbins, Near the premises, or William Britton, Baptist Town, in Kingwood. March 5, 1828. 5 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2381 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-08 10:52:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) Message: John Robbins was an administrator for the estate of John Sine. Amos Robbins had a son John who was deceased when he wrote his Will in 1833. Garry From: Cynthia Victor cjvictor8855@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 10:19 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) Marshall, Marfy Goodspeed published an article by Egbert Bush about the Boarhouse Tavern and it mentioned a John Robins. I believe the owner’s wife ran away from him to John Robbins and his land bordered the Tavern. https://goodspeedhistories.com/boarshead-tavern-in-the-18th-century/ Cynthia On May 4, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: This could be pertaining to the same Amos ROBBINS as previously posted ... Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 5 Mar 1828 For Rent. A TAVERN With 40 acres of excellent land, situate in the township of Amwell, by the name of the BOAR'S HEAD, and possession will be given the first of April 1828. For terms apply to Amos Robbins, Near the premises, or William Britton, Baptist Town, in Kingwood. March 5, 1828. 5 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2382 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-09 06:52:20 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: I’m wondering where to place Amos in my family file. A potential father is Daniel who lived in Amwell before moving to Sussex/Warren County, NJ. I see I had 2 of children as those of someone else because of seeing it online. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 9:56 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Does anyone know who this Amos ROBBINS might be ? ... Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 4 Oct 1837 Died, In Amwell, near the Boars Head, on the 21st ult. Mr. AMOS ROBBINS, in the 80th year of his age. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2383 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-09 09:13:08 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) Message: Here's another item pertaining to this Amos ROBINS ... Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 4 Oct 1837 P U B L I C S A L E. Will be sold, at Public Vendue, ON SATURDAY the 7th of October inst. at the Boars Head, Andrew Emans, innkeeper in Amwell township-All the Personal property of Amos Robbins, dec'd, consisting of one bay Mare 5 years old, Wagon and Harness, Saddle, Clock, Watch, Gun, Chests, Chairs, Bed and Bedding, Coverlets, Blankets, Hay, Barrels, old Iron, Books, Maps, with many articles not mentioned. Sale to commence at 12 o'clock of said day. Conditions made known and attendance given by HIRAM ROBBINS, Acting Executor. October 4, 1837. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Wed May 8, 2019 10:46 am ((PDT)) > > There is so much we don’t know. > > I was not aware of Amos Robins who died in 1837, although I see I have a 2 of his children in the wrong place. > > It seems that Amos had a daughter, Elizabeth, who was married 1st to John Sine Jr. In 1805 John Sine purchased the Boar’s Head Tavern. > John Sine Jr. died about 1806. Elizabeth Sine, widow, married Dec. 4, 1811 William Brittain/Britton widower. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 9:59 AM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) > > > > This could be pertaining to the same Amos ROBBINS as previously posted ... > > Hunterdon Gazette > Flemington, NJ > 5 Mar 1828 > > For Rent. > A TAVERN > With 40 acres of excellent land, situate in the township of Amwell, by the > name of the BOAR'S HEAD, and possession will be given the first of April > 1828. For terms apply to > Amos Robbins, Near the premises, or > William Britton, Baptist Town, in Kingwood. > March 5, 1828. 5 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2384 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-09 09:35:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: Something not right with the information we’re seeing. From Goodspeed Histories: The Sutton Family Burying Ground May 18, 2013 Amos Robbins | Sept. 15, 1827 | 79-4-0 Amos Robins was the son of John Robins and Elizabeth Taylor, and brother to Jane Robins who married Amos Sutton. He lived on the other Robins farm, the one along the Boarshead Road, and for a time ran the Boarshead Inn/ Hotel on Route 579. He married Ruth Barnes (1758-1823) on October 26, 1777; they had at least two children, Job, born about 1785, and Sarah, who married a cousin, Joseph Robbins. Ruth, wife of Amos Robins | died November 23, 1823 aged 65 The wife of Amos Robins was Ruth Barnes, daughter of William Barnes (c.1725-c.1785) and Hannah Kitchen (c.1727-?). William and Hannah Barnes owned a farm on Route 579 not too far north of the intersection with Route 523 . Amos Robbins who died Sept. 21, 1837: - was aged in his 80th year when he died, as was Amos Robbins above - did not mention a wife in his Will, suggesting his wife died first, as Amos Robbins above - lived near the Boar’s Head Tavern, as Amos Robbins above - had a daughter Sarah, as Amos Robbins above - had a son John, the father’s name of Amos Robbins above - had a daughter named Hannah, the mother’s name of the wife of Amos Robbins above. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 9:56 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Does anyone know who this Amos ROBBINS might be ? ... Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 4 Oct 1837 Died, In Amwell, near the Boars Head, on the 21st ult. Mr. AMOS ROBBINS, in the 80th year of his age. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2385 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-09 09:37:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) Message: Hiram Robbins was the son of John Robbins, son of Amos. John was deceased. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 12:13 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) Here's another item pertaining to this Amos ROBINS ... Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 4 Oct 1837 P U B L I C S A L E. Will be sold, at Public Vendue, ON SATURDAY the 7th of October inst. at the Boars Head, Andrew Emans, innkeeper in Amwell township-All the Personal property of Amos Robbins, dec'd, consisting of one bay Mare 5 years old, Wagon and Harness, Saddle, Clock, Watch, Gun, Chests, Chairs, Bed and Bedding, Coverlets, Blankets, Hay, Barrels, old Iron, Books, Maps, with many articles not mentioned. Sale to commence at 12 o'clock of said day. Conditions made known and attendance given by HIRAM ROBBINS, Acting Executor. October 4, 1837. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Wed May 8, 2019 10:46 am ((PDT)) > > There is so much we don’t know. > > I was not aware of Amos Robins who died in 1837, although I see I have a 2 of his children in the wrong place. > > It seems that Amos had a daughter, Elizabeth, who was married 1st to John Sine Jr. In 1805 John Sine purchased the Boar’s Head Tavern. > John Sine Jr. died about 1806. Elizabeth Sine, widow, married Dec. 4, 1811 William Brittain/Britton widower. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 9:59 AM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (cont'd) > > > > This could be pertaining to the same Amos ROBBINS as previously posted ... > > Hunterdon Gazette > Flemington, NJ > 5 Mar 1828 > > For Rent. > A TAVERN > With 40 acres of excellent land, situate in the township of Amwell, by the > name of the BOAR'S HEAD, and possession will be given the first of April > 1828. For terms apply to > Amos Robbins, Near the premises, or > William Britton, Baptist Town, in Kingwood. > March 5, 1828. 5 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2386 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-10 06:05:59 Subject:Re: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: I’ve concluded that the gravestone inscription for Amos Robbins is incorrect, it should say that he died in 1837. Therefore there is only one Amos Robbins who lived near/at the Boar’s Head Tavern. Job Robbins is not mentioned in Amos’ Will. Garry From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 12:35 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Something not right with the information we’re seeing. From Goodspeed Histories: The Sutton Family Burying Ground May 18, 2013 Amos Robbins | Sept. 15, 1827 | 79-4-0 Amos Robins was the son of John Robins and Elizabeth Taylor, and brother to Jane Robins who married Amos Sutton. He lived on the other Robins farm, the one along the Boarshead Road, and for a time ran the Boarshead Inn/ Hotel on Route 579. He married Ruth Barnes (1758-1823) on October 26, 1777; they had at least two children, Job, born about 1785, and Sarah, who married a cousin, Joseph Robbins. Ruth, wife of Amos Robins | died November 23, 1823 aged 65 The wife of Amos Robins was Ruth Barnes, daughter of William Barnes (c.1725-c.1785) and Hannah Kitchen (c.1727-?). William and Hannah Barnes owned a farm on Route 579 not too far north of the intersection with Route 523 . Amos Robbins who died Sept. 21, 1837: - was aged in his 80th year when he died, as was Amos Robbins above - did not mention a wife in his Will, suggesting his wife died first, as Amos Robbins above - lived near the Boar’s Head Tavern, as Amos Robbins above - had a daughter Sarah, as Amos Robbins above - had a son John, the father’s name of Amos Robbins above - had a daughter named Hannah, the mother’s name of the wife of Amos Robbins above. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 9:56 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Does anyone know who this Amos ROBBINS might be ? ... Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 4 Oct 1837 Died, In Amwell, near the Boars Head, on the 21st ult. Mr. AMOS ROBBINS, in the 80th year of his age. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@...t -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2387 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-10 10:25:05 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: It appears these are two different Amos ROBINS in Amwell Twp around the same time. It appears, Garry, that you have the will of Amos who died in 1837. Can you abstract it for us? I looked for a will/inventory indexed by: Robins, Amos, 4401J Will 1837 Inventory 1837 but only found a court record assigning administration to Hiram ROBINS 26 Sep 1837. With an LDS login the will looks to be available here: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/214363?availability=Family%20History%20Library > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Thu May 9, 2019 9:35 am ((PDT)) > > Something not right with the information we’re seeing. > >> From Goodspeed Histories: > The Sutton Family Burying Ground > May 18, 2013 > > Amos Robbins | Sept. 15, 1827 | 79-4-0 > > Amos Robins was the son of John Robins and Elizabeth Taylor, and brother to Jane Robins who married Amos Sutton. He lived on the other Robins farm, the one along the Boarshead Road, and for a time ran the Boarshead In n/Hotel on Route 579. He married Ruth Barnes (1758-1823) on October 26, 1777; they had at least two children, Job, born about 1785, and Sarah, who married a cousin, Joseph Robbins. > > Ruth, wife of Amos Robins | died November 23, 1823 aged 65 > > The wife of Amos Robins was Ruth Barnes, daughter of William Barnes (c.1725-c.1785) and Hannah Kitchen (c.1727-?). William and Hannah Barnes owned a farm on Route 579 not too far north of the intersection with Route 5 23. > > Amos Robbins who died Sept. 21, 1837: > - was aged in his 80th year when he died, as was Amos Robbins above > - did not mention a wife in his Will, suggesting his wife died first, as Amos Robbins above > - lived near the Boar’s Head Tavern, as Amos Robbins above > - had a daughter Sarah, as Amos Robbins above > - had a son John, the father’s name of Amos Robbins above > - had a daughter named Hannah, the mother’s name of the wife of Amos Robbins above. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 9:56 AM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) > > > > Does anyone know who this Amos ROBBINS might be ? ... > > Hunterdon Gazette > Flemington, NJ > 4 Oct 1837 > > Died, > In Amwell, near the Boars Head, on the 21st ult. Mr. AMOS ROBBINS, in the > 80th year of his age. > -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2388 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-10 10:54:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: There's probably a lot of possibilities. The Daniel you mention is possible, but I have what's supposed to be his first child, Isaac, born in 1758. The family of ROBINS seemed to be close with the SUTTONs. Amos was a name which ran in the SUTTON line. I don't have any children for Job, son of John ROBINS & Elenor ABBOTT. Perhaps Amos (b c1757) fits there? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Thu May 9, 2019 6:52 am ((PDT)) > > I’m wondering where to place Amos in my family file. A potential father is Daniel who lived in Amwell before moving to Sussex/Warren County, NJ. > > I see I had 2 of children as those of someone else because of seeing it online. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 9:56 AM > > Does anyone know who this Amos ROBBINS might be ? ... > > Hunterdon Gazette > Flemington, NJ > 4 Oct 1837 > > Died, > In Amwell, near the Boars Head, on the 21st ult. Mr. AMOS ROBBINS, in the > 80th year of his age. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2389 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-11 07:43:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: That's a possibility, but I can't agree ... not with the info we have. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Fri May 10, 2019 6:06 am ((PDT)) > > I’ve concluded that the gravestone inscription for Amos Robbins is > incorrect, it should say that he died in 1837. Therefore there is only > one Amos Robbins who lived near/at the Boar’s Head Tavern. > > Job Robbins is not mentioned in Amos’ Will. > > Garry > > From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 12:35 PM > > Something not right with the information we’re seeing. > >> From Goodspeed Histories: > The Sutton Family Burying Ground > May 18, 2013 > > Amos Robbins | Sept. 15, 1827 | 79-4-0 > > Amos Robins was the son of John Robins and Elizabeth Taylor, and brother to Jane Robins who married Amos Sutton. He lived on the other Robins farm, the one along the Boarshead Road, and for a time ran the Boarshead In n/Hotel on Route 579. He married Ruth Barnes (1758-1823) on October 26, 1777; they had at least two children, Job, born about 1785, and Sarah, who married a cousin, Joseph Robbins. > > Ruth, wife of Amos Robins | died November 23, 1823 aged 65 > > The wife of Amos Robins was Ruth Barnes, daughter of William Barnes (c.1725-c.1785) and Hannah Kitchen (c.1727-?). William and Hannah Barnes owned a farm on Route 579 not too far north of the intersection with Route 5 23. > > Amos Robbins who died Sept. 21, 1837: > - was aged in his 80th year when he died, as was Amos Robbins above > - did not mention a wife in his Will, suggesting his wife died first, as Amos Robbins above > - lived near the Boar’s Head Tavern, as Amos Robbins above > - had a daughter Sarah, as Amos Robbins above > - had a son John, the father’s name of Amos Robbins above > - had a daughter named Hannah, the mother’s name of the wife of Amos Robbins above. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 9:56 AM > > Does anyone know who this Amos ROBBINS might be ? ... > > Hunterdon Gazette > Flemington, NJ > 4 Oct 1837 > > Died, > In Amwell, near the Boars Head, on the 21st ult. Mr. AMOS ROBBINS, in the > 80th year of his age. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2390 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-11 07:48:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: Courtesy of Garry Heagy, here is an abstract of the will of Amos ROBINS who died in 1837 ... will of Amos Robins 12 Jan 1833 of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ adjoining lands of Hugh Webster Joseph Robins children: Sarah Robins Elizabeth Brittin John Robins Hanna Mary Delts Margaret Delts children of Elizabeth Brittin: John Line ?????? Ruthy Ann Brittin William Brittin Mary Jane Brittin children of John Robins: unnamed minors Executors: John Delts Hiram Robins Joseph Robins > Posted by: "Marshall Lake" mlake@... mlake692000 > Date: Fri May 10, 2019 10:25 am ((PDT)) > > It appears these are two different Amos ROBINS in Amwell Twp around the > same time. > > It appears, Garry, that you have the will of Amos who died in 1837. Can > you abstract it for us? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2391 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-11 08:44:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: I made a mistake with “John Line”, it should be John Sine, the “S” is close to looking an “L”. Marshall can you make the correction on the post? Elizabeth Robbins was married 1st to John Sine Jr. I believe he was involved with the Boar’s Head Tavern. They had a son named John. Elizabeth married 2nd William Brittain/Britton on 4 Dec 1811. “Delts” is most likely a misspelling (by Amos) of Dilts. I’m guessing that either Mary or Margaret Robbins was married to John Delts/Dilts. The wording on John Robins is difficult to understand, but I think it says that one of his children is named John and his share is to be held by Hiram for his minor children. John Robins and John Robins, Jr. were decea sed. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:48 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Courtesy of Garry Heagy, here is an abstract of the will of Amos ROBINS who died in 1837 ... will of Amos Robins 12 Jan 1833 of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ adjoining lands of Hugh Webster Joseph Robins children: Sarah Robins Elizabeth Brittin John Robins Hanna Mary Delts Margaret Delts children of Elizabeth Brittin: John Line ?????? Ruthy Ann Brittin William Brittin Mary Jane Brittin children of John Robins: unnamed minors Executors: John Delts Hiram Robins Joseph Robins > Posted by: "Marshall Lake" mlake@... mlake692000 > Date: Fri May 10, 2019 10:25 am ((PDT)) > > It appears these are two different Amos ROBINS in Amwell Twp around the > same time. > > It appears, Garry, that you have the will of Amos who died in 1837. Can > you abstract it for us? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2392 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-12 03:21:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: If anyone is interested, I can place the following people except “K”. Garry From Larison's Corner Cemetery Town of East Amwell Hunterdon County, New Jersey ROBBINS, Barzillai, 23 Mar 1814 - 26 Jun 1879 ROBBINS, Elizabeth, wife of John, 10 Apr 1844, 70-3-10 ROBBINS, John, 7 Aug 1822, in 44th yr ROBBINS, Joseph, 1 Nov 1858, 74-1-17 ROBINS, K., 9 Sep 1806, (no age given) ROBBINS, Matilda Carkhuff, wife of Barzillai, 1 Dec 1818 - 29 Mar 1900 ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 21-6-0 ROBBINS, Sarah, widow of Joseph, 17 Oct 1873, 86-2-18 From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:48 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Courtesy of Garry Heagy, here is an abstract of the will of Amos ROBINS who died in 1837 ... will of Amos Robins 12 Jan 1833 of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ adjoining lands of Hugh Webster Joseph Robins children: Sarah Robins Elizabeth Brittin John Robins Hanna Mary Delts Margaret Delts children of Elizabeth Brittin: John Line ?????? Ruthy Ann Brittin William Brittin Mary Jane Brittin children of John Robins: unnamed minors Executors: John Delts Hiram Robins Joseph Robins > Posted by: "Marshall Lake" mlake@... mlake692000 > Date: Fri May 10, 2019 10:25 am ((PDT)) > > It appears these are two different Amos ROBINS in Amwell Twp around the > same time. > > It appears, Garry, that you have the will of Amos who died in 1837. Can > you abstract it for us? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2393 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-12 03:39:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: I was sort of hoping someone would challenge my conclusion. As assume you believe the Goodspeed Histories is correct, with Amos who died in 1827 being a son of John and Elizabeth. The Goodspeed Histories says that Amos who died in 1827 had a daughter Sarah who married Joseph Robbins, a cousin. It would then be an astonishing coincidence that Amos Robbins who died in 1837 had a “beloved daughter Sarah Robins” whose husband was Joseph Robbins. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:43 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) That's a possibility, but I can't agree ... not with the info we have. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net > Date: Fri May 10, 2019 6:06 am ((PDT)) > > I’ve concluded that the gravestone inscription for Amos Robbins is > incorrect, it should say that he died in 1837. Therefore there is only > one Amos Robbins who lived near/at the Boar’s Head Tavern. > > Job Robbins is not mentioned in Amos’ Will. > > Garry > > From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 12:35 PM > > Something not right with the information we’re seeing. > >> From Goodspeed Histories: > The Sutton Family Burying Ground > May 18, 2013 > > Amos Robbins | Sept. 15, 1827 | 79-4-0 > > Amos Robins was the son of John Robins and Elizabeth Taylor, and brother to Jane Robins who married Amos Sutton. He lived on the other Robins farm, the one along the Boarshead Road, and for a time ran the Boarshead In n/Hotel on Route 579. He married Ruth Barnes (1758-1823) on October 26, 1777; they had at least two children, Job, born about 1785, and Sarah, who married a cousin, Joseph Robbins. > > Ruth, wife of Amos Robins | died November 23, 1823 aged 65 > > The wife of Amos Robins was Ruth Barnes, daughter of William Barnes (c..1725-c.1785) and Hannah Kitchen (c.1727-?). William and Hannah Barnes owned a farm on Route 579 not too far north of the intersection with Route 523. > > Amos Robbins who died Sept. 21, 1837: > - was aged in his 80th year when he died, as was Amos Robbins above > - did not mention a wife in his Will, suggesting his wife died first, as Amos Robbins above > - lived near the Boar’s Head Tavern, as Amos Robbins above > - had a daughter Sarah, as Amos Robbins above > - had a son John, the father’s name of Amos Robbins above > - had a daughter named Hannah, the mother’s name of the wife of Amos Robbins above. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 9:56 AM > > Does anyone know who this Amos ROBBINS might be ? ... > > Hunterdon Gazette > Flemington, NJ > 4 Oct 1837 > > Died, > In Amwell, near the Boars Head, on the 21st ult. Mr. AMOS ROBBINS, in the > 80th year of his age. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2394 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-12 12:45:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: Thanks for the correction, Garry. I tried to edit my original post but yahoo wouldn't let me. I think your correction posted here will do. As for the will naming John ROBINS (a grandson of Amos), I don't agree. I think the will is referring to John ROBINS' (Amos' son) share. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat May 11, 2019 8:44 am ((PDT)) > > I made a mistake with “John Line”, it should be John Sine, the “S” is > close to looking an “L”. Marshall can you make the correction on the > post? > > Elizabeth Robbins was married 1st to John Sine Jr. I believe he was > involved with the Boar’s Head Tavern. They had a son named John. > Elizabeth married 2nd William Brittain/Britton on 4 Dec 1811. > > “Delts” is most likely a misspelling (by Amos) of Dilts. I’m guessing > that either Mary or Margaret Robbins was married to John Delts/Dilts. > > The wording on John Robins is difficult to understand, but I think it > says that one of his children is named John and his share is to be held > by Hiram for his minor children. John Robins and John Robins, Jr. were > deceased. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:48 AM > > Courtesy of Garry Heagy, here is an abstract of the will of Amos ROBINS > who died in 1837 ... > > will of Amos Robins > 12 Jan 1833 > of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ > > adjoining lands of > Hugh Webster > Joseph Robins > > children: > Sarah Robins > Elizabeth Brittin > John Robins > Hanna > Mary Delts > Margaret Delts > > children of Elizabeth Brittin: > John Line ?????? > Ruthy Ann Brittin > William Brittin > Mary Jane Brittin > > children of John Robins: > unnamed minors > > Executors: > John Delts > Hiram Robins > Joseph Robins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2395 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-12 12:56:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: Marfy posts a LOT of good information in her blogs/histories, but her info should be coorborated. Marfy makes errors like everyone does. I hadn't picked up on the possible "astonishing coincidence" before this. In Amos' will it doesn't specify Joseph ROBINS as the husband of Amos' "beloved daughter Sarah Robins". Do you have something else to say this Sarah married her cousin, Joseph? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sun May 12, 2019 3:39 am ((PDT)) > > I was sort of hoping someone would challenge my conclusion. > > As assume you believe the Goodspeed Histories is correct, with Amos who > died in 1827 being a son of John and Elizabeth. > > The Goodspeed Histories says that Amos who died in 1827 had a daughter > Sarah who married Joseph Robbins, a cousin. > > It would then be an astonishing coincidence that Amos Robbins who died > in 1837 had a “beloved daughter Sarah Robins” whose husband was Joseph > Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:43 AM > > That's a possibility, but I can't agree ... not with the info we have. > >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Fri May 10, 2019 6:06 am ((PDT)) >> >> I’ve concluded that the gravestone inscription for Amos Robbins is >> incorrect, it should say that he died in 1837. Therefore there is only >> one Amos Robbins who lived near/at the Boar’s Head Tavern. >> >> Job Robbins is not mentioned in Amos’ Will. >> >> Garry >> >> From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 12:35 PM >> >> Something not right with the information we’re seeing. >> >>> From Goodspeed Histories: >> The Sutton Family Burying Ground >> May 18, 2013 >> >> Amos Robbins | Sept. 15, 1827 | 79-4-0 >> >> Amos Robins was the son of John Robins and Elizabeth Taylor, and brother to Jane Robins who married Amos Sutton. He lived on the other Robins farm, the one along the Boarshead Road, and for a time ran the Boarshead I nn/Hotel on Route 579. He married Ruth Barnes (1758-1823) on October 26, 1777; they had at least two children, Job, born about 1785, and Sarah, who married a cousin, Joseph Robbins. >> >> Ruth, wife of Amos Robins | died November 23, 1823 aged 65 >> >> The wife of Amos Robins was Ruth Barnes, daughter of William Barnes (c..1725-c.1785) and Hannah Kitchen (c.1727-?). William and Hannah Barnes owned a farm on Route 579 not too far north of the intersection with Route 523. >> >> Amos Robbins who died Sept. 21, 1837: >> - was aged in his 80th year when he died, as was Amos Robbins above >> - did not mention a wife in his Will, suggesting his wife died first, as Amos Robbins above >> - lived near the Boar’s Head Tavern, as Amos Robbins above >> - had a daughter Sarah, as Amos Robbins above >> - had a son John, the father’s name of Amos Robbins above >> - had a daughter named Hannah, the mother’s name of the wife of Amos Robbins above. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2396 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-12 13:41:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Various Hunterdon Co ROBINS (was: Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co)) Message: I'll tell you what I have and we'll see if we agree or not ... "Barzillai" ROBBINS (1814-1879) son of Joseph ROBINS (1784-1858) & Sarah ROBINS (1787-1873), married Matilda CARKHUFF (1818-1900, dau of Gabriel CARKHOFF). John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON (c1755-1791), married Elizabeth RISLER (1773-1844, dau of Hanteel Hontiel RISLER & Catharine ------). Joseph ROBBINS (1784-1858) son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON (c1755-1791), married Sarah ROBINS (1787-1873, dau of Amos ROBINS & Ruth BARNES). I don't know who K. ROBINS could be. I don't know this one: ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 Hiram ROBINS (c1805-?) son of John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) & Elizabeth RISLER (1773-1844), married Ruth Ann BRITTON (?-1857). Is the age for ROBBINS, Ruth Ann (21-6-0) correct? I have Hiram ROBINS and Ruth Ann BRITTON marrying 18 Jul 1833 based upon Deats' marriage records and a newspaper announcement. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sun May 12, 2019 3:21 am ((PDT)) > > If anyone is interested, I can place the following people except “K”. > > Garry > > From Larison's Corner Cemetery > Town of East Amwell > Hunterdon County, New Jersey > ROBBINS, Barzillai, 23 Mar 1814 - 26 Jun 1879 > ROBBINS, Elizabeth, wife of John, 10 Apr 1844, 70-3-10 > ROBBINS, John, 7 Aug 1822, in 44th yr > ROBBINS, Joseph, 1 Nov 1858, 74-1-17 > ROBINS, K., 9 Sep 1806, (no age given) > ROBBINS, Matilda Carkhuff, wife of Barzillai, 1 Dec 1818 - 29 Mar 1900 > ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 > ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 21-6-0 > ROBBINS, Sarah, widow of Joseph, 17 Oct 1873, 86-2-18 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2397 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-13 03:06:30 Subject:Re: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: Hi Marshall, From the Will of Amos Robins who died in Sep 1837: “– I say they shall be praized to my beloved daughter Sarah Robins and Joseph Robins at a fair price and they shall be aloud for keeping me fourty dollars a year the time I have bin with them witch shall be takeing out of their lots and the remainder together with all my huse estate goods and chattels” “they shall be aloud for keeping me fourty dollars a year the time I have bin with them” - Amos has been living with Sarah and Joseph Robins. From the 1830 census for Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: Robbins, Joseph 0201101001-0001001 Note: Amos is the oldest male, age in his 70's Joseph and Sarah are aged in their 40’s Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:56 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Marfy posts a LOT of good information in her blogs/histories, but her info should be coorborated. Marfy makes errors like everyone does. I hadn't picked up on the possible "astonishing coincidence" before this. In Amos' will it doesn't specify Joseph ROBINS as the husband of Amos' "beloved daughter Sarah Robins". Do you have something else to say this Sarah married her cousin, Joseph? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sun May 12, 2019 3:39 am ((PDT)) > > I was sort of hoping someone would challenge my conclusion. > > As assume you believe the Goodspeed Histories is correct, with Amos who > died in 1827 being a son of John and Elizabeth. > > The Goodspeed Histories says that Amos who died in 1827 had a daughter > Sarah who married Joseph Robbins, a cousin. > > It would then be an astonishing coincidence that Amos Robbins who died > in 1837 had a “beloved daughter Sarah Robins” whose husband was Joseph > Robbins. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:43 AM > > That's a possibility, but I can't agree ... not with the info we have. > >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Fri May 10, 2019 6:06 am ((PDT)) >> >> I’ve concluded that the gravestone inscription for Amos Robbins is >> incorrect, it should say that he died in 1837. Therefore there is only >> one Amos Robbins who lived near/at the Boar’s Head Tavern. >> >> Job Robbins is not mentioned in Amos’ Will. >> >> Garry >> >> From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 12:35 PM >> >> Something not right with the information we’re seeing. >> >>> From Goodspeed Histories: >> The Sutton Family Burying Ground >> May 18, 2013 >> >> Amos Robbins | Sept. 15, 1827 | 79-4-0 >> >> Amos Robins was the son of John Robins and Elizabeth Taylor, and brother to Jane Robins who married Amos Sutton. He lived on the other Robins farm, the one along the Boarshead Road, and for a time ran the Boarshead I nn/Hotel on Route 579. He married Ruth Barnes (1758-1823) on October 26, 1777; they had at least two children, Job, born about 1785, and Sarah, who married a cousin, Joseph Robbins. >> >> Ruth, wife of Amos Robins | died November 23, 1823 aged 65 >> >> The wife of Amos Robins was Ruth Barnes, daughter of William Barnes (c..1725-c.1785) and Hannah Kitchen (c.1727-?). William and Hannah Barnes owned a farm on Route 579 not too far north of the intersection with Route 523. >> >> Amos Robbins who died Sept. 21, 1837: >> - was aged in his 80th year when he died, as was Amos Robbins above >> - did not mention a wife in his Will, suggesting his wife died first, as Amos Robbins above >> - lived near the Boar’s Head Tavern, as Amos Robbins above >> - had a daughter Sarah, as Amos Robbins above >> - had a son John, the father’s name of Amos Robbins above >> - had a daughter named Hannah, the mother’s name of the wife of Amos Robbins above. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2398 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-13 03:17:08 Subject:Re: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: Hi Marshall, From the Will of Amos Robins who died in 1837: “I do give and bequeath unto my beloved son John Robinses children the other share and Hiram is to take John Robins share and put it out on interest till John Robinses children shall come of age and then he is to pay it to them with half the interest for the time it draws interus.” In Amos’ Will he gives to his children only except when a child is deceased, then he gives to their children or his grandchildren. Amos’ son John was deceased. He died 7 Aug 1822. John had a son John who died prior to Amos writing his Will in Jan 1833. John Jr. had 2 children who were minors when Amos wrote his Will. It was these 2 minor childr en than Hiram was to hold the inheritance for. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:45 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Thanks for the correction, Garry. I tried to edit my original post but yahoo wouldn't let me. I think your correction posted here will do. As for the will naming John ROBINS (a grandson of Amos), I don't agree. I think the will is referring to John ROBINS' (Amos' son) share. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@...t gheagy@... > Date: Sat May 11, 2019 8:44 am ((PDT)) > > I made a mistake with “John Line”, it should be John Sine, the “S” is > close to looking an “L”. Marshall can you make the correction on the > post? > > Elizabeth Robbins was married 1st to John Sine Jr. I believe he was > involved with the Boar’s Head Tavern. They had a son named John. > Elizabeth married 2nd William Brittain/Britton on 4 Dec 1811. > > “Delts” is most likely a misspelling (by Amos) of Dilts. I’m guessing > that either Mary or Margaret Robbins was married to John Delts/Dilts. > > The wording on John Robins is difficult to understand, but I think it > says that one of his children is named John and his share is to be held > by Hiram for his minor children. John Robins and John Robins, Jr. were > deceased. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:48 AM > > Courtesy of Garry Heagy, here is an abstract of the will of Amos ROBINS > who died in 1837 ... > > will of Amos Robins > 12 Jan 1833 > of Amwell Twp, Hunterdon Co, NJ > > adjoining lands of > Hugh Webster > Joseph Robins > > children: > Sarah Robins > Elizabeth Brittin > John Robins > Hanna > Mary Delts > Margaret Delts > > children of Elizabeth Brittin: > John Line ?????? > Ruthy Ann Brittin > William Brittin > Mary Jane Brittin > > children of John Robins: > unnamed minors > > Executors: > John Delts > Hiram Robins > Joseph Robins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2399 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-13 03:35:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Various Hunterdon Co ROBINS (was: Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co)) Message: Hi Marshall, I’ll add comments where appropriate: From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 4:41 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Various Hunterdon Co ROBINS (was: Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co)) I'll tell you what I have and we'll see if we agree or not ... "Barzillai" ROBBINS (1814-1879) son of Joseph ROBINS (1784-1858) & Sarah ROBINS (1787-1873), married Matilda CARKHUFF (1818-1900, dau of Gabriel CARKHOFF). John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON (c1755-1791), married Elizabeth RISLER (1773-1844, dau of Hanteel Hontiel RISLER & Catharine ------). Garry: According to Estate Records from 1804, mentioned in the Goodspeed Histories, John Robbins, III, the son of John Robins born abt 1784, was married to Catherine John Robbins is the son of Amos Robins who died in 1837. John married Elizabeth Risler in 1801 Joseph ROBBINS (1784-1858) son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON (c1755-1791), married Sarah ROBINS (1787-1873, dau of Amos ROBINS & Ruth BARNES). I don't know who K. ROBINS could be. I don't know this one: ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 Garry: William B. Robbins is the son of Hiram below. Hiram ROBINS (c1805-?) son of John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) & Elizabeth RISLER (1773-1844), married Ruth Ann BRITTON (?-1857). Garry: I believe there’s another intermarriage here. Ruth Ann Brittain/Britton was the daughter of William Brittain/Britton and Elizabeth Robbins. Is the age for ROBBINS, Ruth Ann (21-6-0) correct? I have Hiram ROBINS and Ruth Ann BRITTON marrying 18 Jul 1833 based upon Deats' marriage records and a newspaper announcement. Garry: Ruth Ann Britton was born 22 Mar 1816. She married young and died young. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sun May 12, 2019 3:21 am ((PDT)) > > If anyone is interested, I can place the following people except “K”. > > Garry > > From Larison's Corner Cemetery > Town of East Amwell > Hunterdon County, New Jersey > ROBBINS, Barzillai, 23 Mar 1814 - 26 Jun 1879 > ROBBINS, Elizabeth, wife of John, 10 Apr 1844, 70-3-10 > ROBBINS, John, 7 Aug 1822, in 44th yr > ROBBINS, Joseph, 1 Nov 1858, 74-1-17 > ROBINS, K., 9 Sep 1806, (no age given) > ROBBINS, Matilda Carkhuff, wife of Barzillai, 1 Dec 1818 - 29 Mar 1900 > ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 > ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 21-6-0 > ROBBINS, Sarah, widow of Joseph, 17 Oct 1873, 86-2-18 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2400 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-13 08:13:47 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Amos ROBBINS (c1757-1837 Hunterdon Co) Message: Ok, Garry, I'm convinced of the point you were trying to make (i.e., both Amos ROBINS had a daughter Sarah who married Joseph Robbins, a cousin). Have you thought about posting your conclusion and basis on the appropriate Goodspeed Histories page? Marfy is good about addressing comments. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon May 13, 2019 3:06 am ((PDT)) > > Hi Marshall, > >> From the Will of Amos Robins who died in Sep 1837: > > “– I say they shall be praized > > to my beloved daughter Sarah Robins and Joseph > > Robins at a fair price and they shall be aloud for > > keeping me fourty dollars a year the time I have > > bin with them witch shall be takeing out of their lots and the > > remainder together with all my huse estate goods and chattels” > > > “they shall be aloud for keeping me fourty dollars a year the time I have bin with them” - Amos has been living with Sarah and Joseph Robins. > > >> From the 1830 census for Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: > Robbins, Joseph 0201101001-0001001 > Note: Amos is the oldest male, age in his 70's > Joseph and Sarah are aged in their 40’s > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:56 PM > > Marfy posts a LOT of good information in her blogs/histories, but her info > should be coorborated. Marfy makes errors like everyone does. > > I hadn't picked up on the possible "astonishing coincidence" before this. > In Amos' will it doesn't specify Joseph ROBINS as the husband of Amos' > "beloved daughter Sarah Robins". Do you have something else to say this > Sarah married her cousin, Joseph? > >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Sun May 12, 2019 3:39 am ((PDT)) >> >> I was sort of hoping someone would challenge my conclusion. >> >> As assume you believe the Goodspeed Histories is correct, with Amos who >> died in 1827 being a son of John and Elizabeth. >> >> The Goodspeed Histories says that Amos who died in 1827 had a daughter >> Sarah who married Joseph Robbins, a cousin. >> >> It would then be an astonishing coincidence that Amos Robbins who died >> in 1837 had a “beloved daughter Sarah Robins” whose husband was Joseph >> Robbins. >> >> Garry >> >> From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:43 AM >> >> That's a possibility, but I can't agree ... not with the info we have. >> >>> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >>> Date: Fri May 10, 2019 6:06 am ((PDT)) >>> >>> I’ve concluded that the gravestone inscription for Amos Robbins is >>> incorrect, it should say that he died in 1837. Therefore there is only >>> one Amos Robbins who lived near/at the Boar’s Head Tavern. >>> >>> Job Robbins is not mentioned in Amos’ Will. >>> >>> Garry >>> >>> From: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >>> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 12:35 PM >>> >>> Something not right with the information we’re seeing. >>> >>>> From Goodspeed Histories: >>> The Sutton Family Burying Ground >>> May 18, 2013 >>> >>> Amos Robbins | Sept. 15, 1827 | 79-4-0 >>> >>> Amos Robins was the son of John Robins and Elizabeth Taylor, and brother to Jane Robins who married Amos Sutton. He lived on the other Robins farm, the one along the Boarshead Road, and for a time ran the Boarshead Inn/Hotel on Route 579. He married Ruth Barnes (1758-1823) on October 26, 1777; they had at least two children, Job, born about 1785, and Sarah, who married a cousin, Joseph Robbins. >>> >>> Ruth, wife of Amos Robins | died November 23, 1823 aged 65 >>> >>> The wife of Amos Robins was Ruth Barnes, daughter of William Barnes (c..1725-c.1785) and Hannah Kitchen (c.1727-?). William and Hannah Barnes owned a farm on Route 579 not too far north of the intersection with Rout e 523. >>> >>> Amos Robbins who died Sept. 21, 1837: >>> - was aged in his 80th year when he died, as was Amos Robbins above >>> - did not mention a wife in his Will, suggesting his wife died first, as Amos Robbins above >>> - lived near the Boar’s Head Tavern, as Amos Robbins above >>> - had a daughter Sarah, as Amos Robbins above >>> - had a son John, the father’s name of Amos Robbins above >>> - had a daughter named Hannah, the mother’s name of the wife of Amos Robbins above. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2401 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-13 10:09:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Various Hunterdon Co ROBINS Message: Sometimes all these ROBBINS/ROBINS in Hunterdon Co make my head spin. Re: John ROBBINS & Elizabeth RISLER ... Can you point me to the Goodspeed History which says this John ROBBINS married Catherine? I received research directly from Marfy Goodspeed (NOT a Goodspeed History post) in 2005 showing this John ROBBINS (son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON (c1755-1791)) marrying Elizabeth RISLER. The research seemed sensible. Re: Ruth Ann BRITTON So, question ... ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 21-6-0 should be ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 41-6-18 ? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon May 13, 2019 3:35 am ((PDT)) > > I’ll add comments where appropriate: > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 4:41 PM > > I'll tell you what I have and we'll see if we agree or not ... > > "Barzillai" ROBBINS (1814-1879) son of Joseph ROBINS (1784-1858) & Sarah > ROBINS (1787-1873), married Matilda CARKHUFF (1818-1900, dau of Gabriel > CARKHOFF). > > John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON > (c1755-1791), married Elizabeth RISLER (1773-1844, dau of Hanteel Hontiel > RISLER & Catharine ------). > Garry: According to Estate Records from 1804, mentioned in the Goodspeed Histories, John Robbins, III, the son of John Robins born abt 1784, was married to Catherine > John Robbins is the son of Amos Robins who died in 1837. John married Elizabeth Risler in 1801 > > Joseph ROBBINS (1784-1858) son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON > (c1755-1791), married Sarah ROBINS (1787-1873, dau of Amos ROBINS & Ruth > BARNES). > > I don't know who K. ROBINS could be. > > I don't know this one: > ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 > Garry: William B. Robbins is the son of Hiram below. > > Hiram ROBINS (c1805-?) son of John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) & Elizabeth RISLER > (1773-1844), married Ruth Ann BRITTON (?-1857). > Garry: I believe there’s another intermarriage here. Ruth Ann Brittain/Britton was the daughter of William Brittain/Britton and Elizabeth Robbins. > > Is the age for ROBBINS, Ruth Ann (21-6-0) correct? I have Hiram ROBINS > and Ruth Ann BRITTON marrying 18 Jul 1833 based upon Deats' marriage > records and a newspaper announcement. > Garry: Ruth Ann Britton was born 22 Mar 1816. She married young and died young. >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Sun May 12, 2019 3:21 am ((PDT)) >> >> If anyone is interested, I can place the following people except “K”. >> >> Garry >> >> From Larison's Corner Cemetery >> Town of East Amwell >> Hunterdon County, New Jersey >> ROBBINS, Barzillai, 23 Mar 1814 - 26 Jun 1879 >> ROBBINS, Elizabeth, wife of John, 10 Apr 1844, 70-3-10 >> ROBBINS, John, 7 Aug 1822, in 44th yr >> ROBBINS, Joseph, 1 Nov 1858, 74-1-17 >> ROBINS, K., 9 Sep 1806, (no age given) >> ROBBINS, Matilda Carkhuff, wife of Barzillai, 1 Dec 1818 - 29 Mar 1900 >> ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 >> ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 21-6-0 >> ROBBINS, Sarah, widow of Joseph, 17 Oct 1873, 86-2-18 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2402 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-13 10:15:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Various Hunterdon Co ROBINS Message: Garry, what tells you that William B ROBBINS is the son of Hiram ROBBINS (b c1805) ? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon May 13, 2019 3:35 am ((PDT)) > > I’ll add comments where appropriate: > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 4:41 PM > > I don't know this one: > ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 > Garry: William B. Robbins is the son of Hiram below. > > Hiram ROBINS (c1805-?) son of John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) & Elizabeth RISLER > (1773-1844), married Ruth Ann BRITTON (?-1857). > Garry: I believe there’s another intermarriage here. Ruth Ann Brittain/Britton was the daughter of William Brittain/Britton and Elizabeth Robbins. > > Is the age for ROBBINS, Ruth Ann (21-6-0) correct? I have Hiram ROBINS > and Ruth Ann BRITTON marrying 18 Jul 1833 based upon Deats' marriage > records and a newspaper announcement. > Garry: Ruth Ann Britton was born 22 Mar 1816. She married young and died young. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2403 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-13 11:03:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Various Hunterdon Co ROBINS Message: Hi Marshall, You does intuition sound? From the 1840 census for Delaware Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: Robbins, Hiram 01101-010010001 Note: 1) William B. born Feb 1834 is age 6 2) Hiram is raising the children of his deceased brother, John: John Jr. born Aug 1828 is 11 or 12 Elizabeth Ann born Sep 1830 is 9 3) The oldest female is probably Hiram's mother, Elizabeth, born Jan 1874 age 66 If you look up the 1860 census you’ll see Hiram, Joseph Jr., and William B. living next to each other. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 1:15 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Various Hunterdon Co ROBINS Garry, what tells you that William B ROBBINS is the son of Hiram ROBBINS (b c1805) ? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon May 13, 2019 3:35 am ((PDT)) > > I’ll add comments where appropriate: > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 4:41 PM > > I don't know this one: > ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 > Garry: William B. Robbins is the son of Hiram below. > > Hiram ROBINS (c1805-?) son of John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) & Elizabeth RISLER > (1773-1844), married Ruth Ann BRITTON (?-1857). > Garry: I believe there’s another intermarriage here. Ruth Ann Brittain/Britton was the daughter of William Brittain/Britton and Elizabeth Robbins. > > Is the age for ROBBINS, Ruth Ann (21-6-0) correct? I have Hiram ROBINS > and Ruth Ann BRITTON marrying 18 Jul 1833 based upon Deats' marriage > records and a newspaper announcement. > Garry: Ruth Ann Britton was born 22 Mar 1816. She married young and died young. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2404 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-13 11:23:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Various Hunterdon Co ROBINS Message: Hi Marshall, It can happen, my head was spinning when I started my Robins/Robbins research in New Jersey. I can’t point you to the correct Goodspeed History because I didn’t record it. The Estate of John Robins who died in 1802 was discussed. The research you received could be correct but to me the evidence suggests otherwise. That’s a good question concerning the death date of Ruth Ann Robbins, 10 Oct 1857. Is it okay to suggest another gravestone transcribing error? I believe it should be 1837. From the 1850 census for Delaware Twp, Hunterdon County, NJ: Robbins, Hiram 37 Farmer NJ Catharine 34 " George T. 8 " Sylverster 4 " Amy E. 2 " Elizabeth Ann 21 " Note: Hiram probably married Catharine around 1840. Elizabeth Ann, daughter of Hiram’s brother John, is still living with him. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 1:09 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Various Hunterdon Co ROBINS Sometimes all these ROBBINS/ROBINS in Hunterdon Co make my head spin. Re: John ROBBINS & Elizabeth RISLER ... Can you point me to the Goodspeed History which says this John ROBBINS married Catherine? I received research directly from Marfy Goodspeed (NOT a Goodspeed History post) in 2005 showing this John ROBBINS (son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON (c1755-1791)) marrying Elizabeth RISLER. The research seemed sensible. Re: Ruth Ann BRITTON So, question ... ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 21-6-0 should be ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 41-6-18 ? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon May 13, 2019 3:35 am ((PDT)) > > I’ll add comments where appropriate: > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 4:41 PM > > I'll tell you what I have and we'll see if we agree or not .... > > "Barzillai" ROBBINS (1814-1879) son of Joseph ROBINS (1784-1858) & Sarah > ROBINS (1787-1873), married Matilda CARKHUFF (1818-1900, dau of Gabriel > CARKHOFF). > > John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON > (c1755-1791), married Elizabeth RISLER (1773-1844, dau of Hanteel Hontiel > RISLER & Catharine ------). > Garry: According to Estate Records from 1804, mentioned in the Goodspeed Histories, John Robbins, III, the son of John Robins born abt 1784, was married to Catherine > John Robbins is the son of Amos Robins who died in 1837. John married Elizabeth Risler in 1801 > > Joseph ROBBINS (1784-1858) son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON > (c1755-1791), married Sarah ROBINS (1787-1873, dau of Amos ROBINS & Ruth > BARNES). > > I don't know who K. ROBINS could be. > > I don't know this one: > ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 > Garry: William B. Robbins is the son of Hiram below. > > Hiram ROBINS (c1805-?) son of John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) & Elizabeth RISLER > (1773-1844), married Ruth Ann BRITTON (?-1857). > Garry: I believe there’s another intermarriage here. Ruth Ann Brittain/Britton was the daughter of William Brittain/Britton and Elizabeth Robbins. > > Is the age for ROBBINS, Ruth Ann (21-6-0) correct? I have Hiram ROBINS > and Ruth Ann BRITTON marrying 18 Jul 1833 based upon Deats' marriage > records and a newspaper announcement. > Garry: Ruth Ann Britton was born 22 Mar 1816. She married young and died young. >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Sun May 12, 2019 3:21 am ((PDT)) >> >> If anyone is interested, I can place the following people except “K”. >> >> Garry >> >> From Larison's Corner Cemetery >> Town of East Amwell >> Hunterdon County, New Jersey >> ROBBINS, Barzillai, 23 Mar 1814 - 26 Jun 1879 >> ROBBINS, Elizabeth, wife of John, 10 Apr 1844, 70-3-10 >> ROBBINS, John, 7 Aug 1822, in 44th yr >> ROBBINS, Joseph, 1 Nov 1858, 74-1-17 >> ROBINS, K., 9 Sep 1806, (no age given) >> ROBBINS, Matilda Carkhuff, wife of Barzillai, 1 Dec 1818 - 29 Mar 1900 >> ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 >> ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 21-6-0 >> ROBBINS, Sarah, widow of Joseph, 17 Oct 1873, 86-2-18 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2405 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-13 11:36:49 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Various Hunterdon Co ROBINS Message: Hi Marshall, From the Goodspeed Histories Boarshead Tavern August 9, 2013 Hiram Robbins was the son of John Robins and Elizabeth Risler. He married Catharine Trimmer in 1840, daughter of George Trimmer. His son, George T. Robbins, who kept a store near P.R.R. station, and his son Sylvester who was station agent there both died between 40 and 50 years ago. Joseph Robbins owned a farm north of that road—a Robbins hom estead as I have it in mind and the location of the old-time tannery of this vicinity. Later the farm came into possession of his son Ephraim. This Joseph Robbins (1794-1858) was the uncle of Hiram Robbins, who was listed in the 1840 census as involved in manufacture or trade; that suggests the tannery. However, by 1850, he was counted as a farmer. Note: Joseph was born in 1784, husband of Sarah Robbins. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 1:09 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Various Hunterdon Co ROBINS Sometimes all these ROBBINS/ROBINS in Hunterdon Co make my head spin. Re: John ROBBINS & Elizabeth RISLER ... Can you point me to the Goodspeed History which says this John ROBBINS married Catherine? I received research directly from Marfy Goodspeed (NOT a Goodspeed History post) in 2005 showing this John ROBBINS (son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON (c1755-1791)) marrying Elizabeth RISLER. The research seemed sensible. Re: Ruth Ann BRITTON So, question ... ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 21-6-0 should be ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 41-6-18 ? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@... > Date: Mon May 13, 2019 3:35 am ((PDT)) > > I’ll add comments where appropriate: > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 4:41 PM > > I'll tell you what I have and we'll see if we agree or not .... > > "Barzillai" ROBBINS (1814-1879) son of Joseph ROBINS (1784-1858) & Sarah > ROBINS (1787-1873), married Matilda CARKHUFF (1818-1900, dau of Gabriel > CARKHOFF). > > John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON > (c1755-1791), married Elizabeth RISLER (1773-1844, dau of Hanteel Hontiel > RISLER & Catharine ------). > Garry: According to Estate Records from 1804, mentioned in the Goodspeed Histories, John Robbins, III, the son of John Robins born abt 1784, was married to Catherine > John Robbins is the son of Amos Robins who died in 1837. John married Elizabeth Risler in 1801 > > Joseph ROBBINS (1784-1858) son of John ROBINS (c1750-1784) & Grace RUNYON > (c1755-1791), married Sarah ROBINS (1787-1873, dau of Amos ROBINS & Ruth > BARNES). > > I don't know who K. ROBINS could be. > > I don't know this one: > ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 > Garry: William B. Robbins is the son of Hiram below. > > Hiram ROBINS (c1805-?) son of John ROBBINS (c1778-1822) & Elizabeth RISLER > (1773-1844), married Ruth Ann BRITTON (?-1857). > Garry: I believe there’s another intermarriage here. Ruth Ann Brittain/Britton was the daughter of William Brittain/Britton and Elizabeth Robbins. > > Is the age for ROBBINS, Ruth Ann (21-6-0) correct? I have Hiram ROBINS > and Ruth Ann BRITTON marrying 18 Jul 1833 based upon Deats' marriage > records and a newspaper announcement. > Garry: Ruth Ann Britton was born 22 Mar 1816. She married young and died young. >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net >> Date: Sun May 12, 2019 3:21 am ((PDT)) >> >> If anyone is interested, I can place the following people except “K”. >> >> Garry >> >> From Larison's Corner Cemetery >> Town of East Amwell >> Hunterdon County, New Jersey >> ROBBINS, Barzillai, 23 Mar 1814 - 26 Jun 1879 >> ROBBINS, Elizabeth, wife of John, 10 Apr 1844, 70-3-10 >> ROBBINS, John, 7 Aug 1822, in 44th yr >> ROBBINS, Joseph, 1 Nov 1858, 74-1-17 >> ROBINS, K., 9 Sep 1806, (no age given) >> ROBBINS, Matilda Carkhuff, wife of Barzillai, 1 Dec 1818 - 29 Mar 1900 >> ROBBINS, Rachel L. Crate, wife of William B., 23 Apr 1860, 23-5-21 >> ROBBINS, Ruth Ann, wife of Hirem, 10 Oct 1857, 21-6-0 >> ROBBINS, Sarah, widow of Joseph, 17 Oct 1873, 86-2-18 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2406 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-15 17:42:44 Subject:Jonathan ROBINS, d 1796 Message: I'm currently involved in a Hunterdon Co indexing project. At the moment we're indexing Orphans' Court Minutes, 1785-1806. I came across a record saying "... Jonathan Robins sole administrator of Jonathan Robins Senr, deceased ...". It's part of a list of several individuals who are administrators and who are all filing accounts in court in May of 1798. There's no other info. This quote pertains to Jonathan ROBINS Sr who died in Hunterdon Co in 1796. There's another Jonathan ROBINS who died around the same time (same year) in Hunterdon Co who is assumed/claimed to be Jonathan ROBINS Sr's son. This isn't really new info. I thought I'd mention it 'cause I hadn't seen this particular record before. One index has been completed ... Alexandria Twp Meeting Minutes (1765-1837). There are a few ROBINS/ROBBINS in the index. The index can be seen here: http://www.mlake.net/book-indexes/AlexandriaTwpMeetingMinutes.html The actual pages for the Alexandria Twp Meeting Minutes appear here ... https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/008217332?cat=264509 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2407 Sender:tracey.marcelo@... Post Date/Time:2019-05-22 19:47:45 Subject:Children of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton (b. 1737 d. 1802) and his wife Anne. Message: I realized in my notes that there is a daughter missing from my list of the children Daniel Robbins of Knowlton and Anne his wife and I wondered if anyone knows what the "missing" daughter's name was. The children I have for Daniel and Anne are: Issac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 likely in Columbia Co. PA Daniel Robbin b.30 May 1765 d. 13 Jul 1844, Gainsborough, Ontario Canada Stephen Robbins b. 1768 d. Before 1861 Gainsborough Ontario Canada Abigail Robbins b. 27 Mar 1770 d. Gainsborough Ontario Canada, husband was Jacob Vaughan. ? Robbins also went to Gainsborough around 1795 at the same time Daniel and Stephen did. Proof of the existence of this other daughter is in the Ontario land petition of Jacob Vaughan, which says: Vaughan, Jacob Upper Canada Land Petition of Jacob Vaughan now of Gainsborough dated at York on 4 Jul 1800 “Humbly sheweth That your Petitioner came into the Province in the month of September last with his family consisting of a wife and five children, who are at this time in the above mentioned Township - That your Petitio ner brought in with him & has a yoke of Oxen, a Cow, and other property to the amount of two Hundred pounds New york Currency-That your Petitioner desires to become a bona fide settler, humbly prays your Excellency to g rant him a Lot of Land upon Dundas Street - on the usual conditions & as in duty bound your petitioner shall ever pray [Signed] Jacob Vaughan” Marginal note: “The Petitioner’s wife has two Brothers & a Sister in Gainsbo rough & who have been settled therein for five years past.” Received at the Executive Council Office on 5 Jul 1800. Ordered proofs wanting. [Upper Canada Land Petitions LAC “U” “V” Bundle 5, Petition Number 10] The proof of the Vaughan - Robbins connection was in this helpful Sussex Co deed that Marshall found some years ago: Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) dated - 19 Jun 1815 grantor - Jacob VAUGHAN of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) 15 Apr 1779 tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) 7 Aug 1793 tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) 2 Apr 1795 tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) 22 Oct 1802 witnessed - 31 Jan 1816 witnesses - Ira SHERER Isaav READ judge - John ARMSTRONG notes - Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late of Knowlton Twp, died intestate Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as the son-in-law of Daniel ROBINS, dec'd wife of Jacob VAUGHAN - Abigail recorded - 26 Jun 1824 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2408 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-23 06:45:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton (b. 1737 d. 1802) and his wif Message: Is there any indication as to who the unnamed daughter married? If she married in NJ and they owned land there, and they sold the land before moving to Canada, she might be named in the land sale. Question ... in a posting from Sara in 2014, Sara writes "I went through my files for the letter Private Isaac Robins wrote when he applied for his pension. Isaac writes in this letter that he was born June 29, 1758 in Amwell Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. He said his father was Daniel Robins & he served additional time for his father Daniel & Andrew who I believe was Isaac's brother." Is this correct? Is there another child named Andrew? (Maybe he stayed behind in the US?) > Posted by: tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Wed May 22, 2019 7:47 pm ((PDT)) > > I realized in my notes that there is a daughter missing from my list of the children Daniel Robbins of Knowlton and Anne his wife and I wondered if anyone knows what the "missing" daughter's name was. > > The children I have for Daniel and Anne are: > Issac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 likely in Columbia Co. PA > Daniel Robbin b.30 May 1765 d. 13 Jul 1844, Gainsborough, Ontario Canada > Stephen Robbins b. 1768 d. Before 1861 Gainsborough Ontario Canada > Abigail Robbins b. 27 Mar 1770 d. Gainsborough Ontario Canada, husband was Jacob Vaughan. > ? Robbins also went to Gainsborough around 1795 at the same time Daniel and Stephen did. > > Proof of the existence of this other daughter is in the Ontario land petition of Jacob Vaughan, which says: > Vaughan, Jacob > Upper Canada Land Petition of Jacob Vaughan now of Gainsborough dated at York on 4 Jul 1800 > “Humbly sheweth That your Petitioner came into the Province in the month of September last with his family consisting of a wife and five children, who are at this time in the above mentioned Township - That your Petit ioner brought in with him & has a yoke of Oxen, a Cow, and other property to the amount of two Hundred pounds New york Currency-That your Petitioner desires to become a bona fide settler, humbly prays your Excellency to grant him a Lot of Land upon Dundas Street - on the usual conditions & as in duty bound your petitioner shall ever pray [Signed] Jacob Vaughan” Marginal note: “The Petitioner’s wife has two Brothers & a Sister in Gains borough & who have been settled therein for five years past.” Received at the Executive Council Office on 5 Jul 1800. Ordered proofs wanting. [Upper Canada Land Petitions LAC “U” “V” Bundle 5, Petition Number 10] > > The proof of the Vaughan - Robbins connection was in this helpful Sussex Co deed that Marshall found some years ago: > > Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) > > dated - 19 Jun 1815 > grantor - Jacob VAUGHAN of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada > grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ > lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) > previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) > 15 Apr 1779 > tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) > 7 Aug 1793 > tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) > 2 Apr 1795 > tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) > 22 Oct 1802 > witnessed - 31 Jan 1816 > witnesses - Ira SHERER > Isaav READ > judge - John ARMSTRONG > notes - Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late > of Knowlton Twp, died intestate > Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as the son-in-law of Daniel ROBINS, dec'd > wife of Jacob VAUGHAN - Abigail > recorded - 26 Jun 1824 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2409 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-23 07:26:16 Subject:Re: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton (b. 1737 d. 1802) and his wif Message: Cornelius Robbins who also lived in Knowlton Twp had a son Andrew. This Andrew was Isaac’s cousin. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@...t [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 9:45 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton (b. 1737 d. 1802) and his wif Is there any indication as to who the unnamed daughter married? If she married in NJ and they owned land there, and they sold the land before moving to Canada, she might be named in the land sale. Question ... in a posting from Sara in 2014, Sara writes "I went through my files for the letter Private Isaac Robins wrote when he applied for his pension. Isaac writes in this letter that he was born June 29, 1758 in Amwell Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. He said his father was Daniel Robins & he served additional time for his father Daniel & Andrew who I believe was Isaac's brother." Is this correct? Is there another child named Andrew? (Maybe he stayed behind in the US?) > Posted by: tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Wed May 22, 2019 7:47 pm ((PDT)) > > I realized in my notes that there is a daughter missing from my list of the children Daniel Robbins of Knowlton and Anne his wife and I wondered if anyone knows what the "missing" daughter's name was. > > The children I have for Daniel and Anne are: > Issac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 likely in Columbia Co. PA > Daniel Robbin b.30 May 1765 d. 13 Jul 1844, Gainsborough, Ontario Canada > Stephen Robbins b. 1768 d. Before 1861 Gainsborough Ontario Canada > Abigail Robbins b. 27 Mar 1770 d. Gainsborough Ontario Canada, husband was Jacob Vaughan. > ? Robbins also went to Gainsborough around 1795 at the same time Daniel and Stephen did. > > Proof of the existence of this other daughter is in the Ontario land petition of Jacob Vaughan, which says: > Vaughan, Jacob > Upper Canada Land Petition of Jacob Vaughan now of Gainsborough dated at York on 4 Jul 1800 > “Humbly sheweth That your Petitioner came into the Province in the month of September last with his family consisting of a wife and five children, who are at this time in the above mentioned Township - That your Petit ioner brought in with him & has a yoke of Oxen, a Cow, and other property to the amount of two Hundred pounds New york Currency-That your Petitioner desires to become a bona fide settler, humbly prays your Excellency to grant him a Lot of Land upon Dundas Street - on the usual conditions & as in duty bound your petitioner shall ever pray [Signed] Jacob Vaughan” Marginal note: “The Petitioner’s wife has two Brothers & a Sister in Gains borough & who have been settled therein for five years past.” Received at the Executive Council Office on 5 Jul 1800. Ordered proofs wanting. [Upper Canada Land Petitions LAC “U” “V” Bundle 5, Petition Number 10] > > The proof of the Vaughan - Robbins connection was in this helpful Sussex Co deed that Marshall found some years ago: > > Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) > > dated - 19 Jun 1815 > grantor - Jacob VAUGHAN of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada > grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ > lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) > previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) > 15 Apr 1779 > tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) > 7 Aug 1793 > tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) > 2 Apr 1795 > tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) > 22 Oct 1802 > witnessed - 31 Jan 1816 > witnesses - Ira SHERER > Isaav READ > judge - John ARMSTRONG > notes - Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late > of Knowlton Twp, died intestate > Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as the son-in-law of Daniel ROBINS, dec'd > wife of Jacob VAUGHAN - Abigail > recorded - 26 Jun 1824 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2410 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-05-23 07:39:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton (b. 1737 d. 1802) and his wif Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2411 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-05-23 07:59:11 Subject:Re: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton (b. 1737 d. 1802) and his wif Message: Yes! That's what I have too Garry. On 5/23/2019 9:26 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Cornelius Robbins who also lived in Knowlton Twp had a son Andrew. This Andrew was Isaac’s cousin. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 9:45 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [BULK] Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton (b. 1737 d. 1802) and his wif Is there any indication as to who the unnamed daughter married? If she married in NJ and they owned land there, and they sold the land before moving to Canada, she might be named in the land sale. Question .... in a posting from Sara in 2014, Sara writes "I went through my files for the letter Private Isaac Robins wrote when he applied for his pension. Isaac writes in this letter that he was born June 29, 1758 in Amwell Township, Hunterdon Co., NJ. He said his father was Daniel Robins & he served additional time for his father Daniel & Andrew who I believe was Isaac's brother." Is this correct? Is there another child named Andrew? (Maybe he stayed behind in the US?) > Posted by: tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Wed May 22, 2019 7:47 pm ((PDT)) > > I realized in my notes that there is a daughter missing from my list of the children Daniel Robbins of Knowlton and Anne his wife and I wondered if anyone knows what the "missing" daughter's name was. > > The children I have for Daniel and Anne are: > Issac Robbins b. 29 Jun 1758 d. between 1845-1850 likely in Columbia Co. PA > Daniel Robbin b.30 May 1765 d. 13 Jul 1844, Gainsborough, Ontario Canada > Stephen Robbins b. 1768 d. Before 1861 Gainsborough Ontario Canada > Abigail Robbins b. 27 Mar 1770 d. Gainsborough Ontario Canada, husband was Jacob Vaughan. > ? Robbins also went to Gainsborough around 1795 at the same time Daniel and Stephen did. > > Proof of the existence of this other daughter is in the Ontario land petition of Jacob Vaughan, which says: > Vaughan, Jacob > Upper Canada Land Petition of Jacob Vaughan now of Gainsborough dated at York on 4 Jul 1800 > “Humbly sheweth That your Petitioner came into the Province in the month of September last with his family consisting of a wife and five children, who are at this time in the above mentioned Township - That your Petitioner brought in with him & has a yoke of Oxen, a Cow, and other property to the amount of two Hundred pounds New york Currency-That your Petitioner desires to become a bona fide settler, humbly prays your Excellency to grant him a Lot of Land upon Dundas Street - on the usual conditions & as in duty bound your petitioner shall ever pray [Signed] Jacob Vaughan” Marginal note: “The Petitioner’s wife has two Brothers & a Sister in Gainsborough & who have been settled therein for five years past.” Received at the Executive Council Office on 5 Jul 1800. Ordered proofs wanting. [Upper Canada Land Petitions LAC “U” “V” Bundle 5, Petition Number 10] > > The proof of the Vaughan - Robbins connection was in this helpful Sussex Co deed that Marshall found some years ago: > > Sussex Co. deeds (from Marshall Lake) > > dated - 19 Jun 1815 > grantor - Jacob VAUGHAN of Gainsborough Twp, Lincoln Co, ON, Canada > grantee - Isaac ROBINS of Knowlton Twp, Sussex Co, NJ > lot - 4 tracts (216 3/4 acres) > previous owners - tract 1, Richard CLARK (4 1/4 acres) > 15 Apr 1779 > tract 2, Adam & Elizabeth SNIDER (143 1/2 acres) > 7 Aug 1793 > tract 3, Daniel VAUGHAN (57 acres) > 2 Apr 1795 > tract 4, William SWAGG (12 acres) > 22 Oct 1802 > witnessed - 31 Jan 1816 > witnesses - Ira SHERER > Isaav READ > judge - John ARMSTRONG > notes - Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as a heir of Daniel ROBINS, late > of Knowlton Twp, died intestate > Jacob VAUGHAN is identified as the son-in-law of Daniel ROBINS, dec'd > wife of Jacob VAUGHAN - Abigail > recorded - 26 Jun 1824 -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2412 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-24 07:58:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton (b. 1737 d. 1802) and his Message: Thanks, Tracey & Garry. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2413 Sender:richard.robbins13@... Post Date/Time:2019-05-24 09:21:45 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton (b. 1737 d. 1802) and his Message: Daughter that is missing is Nancy, married Emerson Jaimieson I think. Would have to check that though. Andrew was a name in the family, my 4th Great grandfather had a brother with that name. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2414 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-05-24 15:18:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Daniel Robbins of Knowlton (b. 1737 d. 1802) and his Message: Hi Richard, The daughter of Daniel and Anne would have been born between 1755 and 1780 or so. The Nancy you are talking about was born around 1850 and married Emerson Jamieson in 1874. According to her death cert, her parents were Mathias Robins and wife Mary. Nancy Robbins Jamieson died in 1940. She's not the mystery daughter I'm looking for unfortunately. Name: Nancy C. Jamieson [Nancy C. Robins] Gender: Female Age: 90 Birth Date: 16 Dec [abt 1850] Birth Place: Wainfleet Tp Ontario Death Date: 23 Feb 1940 Death Place: Welland Port, Lincoln, Ontario, Canada Father: Mathias Robins Mother: Mary Robins Spouse: Emerson Jamisson Certificate Number: 022878 Reference Number: 80-8 On 5/24/2019 11:21 AM, richard.robbins13@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Daughter that is missing is Nancy, married Emerson Jaimieson I think. Would have to check that though. Andrew was a name in the family, my 4th Great grandfather had a brother with that name. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2415 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-25 04:07:22 Subject:New Jersey Church Records Message: I’m curious about the church records from the 1700’s for Hunterdon and Sussex Counties, NJ. Where are they? Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2416 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-25 04:10:52 Subject:New Jersey Records Message: I was aware of the missing census records. It’s unfortunate they were stored in only one location. New Jersey census records for the first four federal census--1790, 1800 (except for Cumberland County), 1810, and 1820--have not survived. Except for parts of Hudson County, the 1890 (11th census) records were destroyed in a fire at the National Archives in 1921. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2417 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-25 06:41:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Jersey Church Records Message: I haven't seen many. Here's a few ... https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=189108&query=%2Bplace%3A%22United%20States%2C%20New%20Jersey%2C%20Hunterdon%22&subjectsOpen=536922-8 https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=189108&query=%2Bplace%3A%22United%20States%2C%20New%20Jersey%2C%20Hunterdon%22&subjectsOpen=536923-2 https://ldsgenealogy.com/NJ/Sussex-County-Church-Records.htm https://ldsgenealogy.com/NJ/Hunterdon-County-Church-Records.htm http://rogergilbert1.tripod.com/id15.html > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat May 25, 2019 4:07 am ((PDT)) > > I’m curious about the church records from the 1700’s for Hunterdon and Sussex Counties, NJ. Where are they? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2418 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-25 08:01:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Jersey Church Records Message: Marshall, I’ve just done a search at www.familysearch.org for Robbins born 1725 – 1780 in New Jersey. In the 1st 10 pages of results there are only a few birth records from Trenton, that’s it. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 9:41 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Jersey Church Records I haven't seen many. Here's a few ... https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=189108&query=%2Bplace%3A%22United%20States%2C%20New%20Jersey%2C%20Hunterdon%22&subjectsOpen=536922-8 https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=189108&query=%2Bplace%3A%22United%20States%2C%20New%20Jersey%2C%20Hunterdon%22&subjectsOpen=536923-2 https://ldsgenealogy.com/NJ/Sussex-County-Church-Records.htm https://ldsgenealogy.com/NJ/Hunterdon-County-Church-Records.htm http://rogergilbert1.tripod.com/id15.html > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@... > Date: Sat May 25, 2019 4:07 am ((PDT)) > > I’m curious about the church records from the 1700’s for Hunterdon and Sussex Counties, NJ. Where are they? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2419 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-26 07:55:56 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] New Jersey Church Records Message: Also search for ROBINS with one 'b'. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat May 25, 2019 8:01 am ((PDT)) > > I’ve just done a search at www.familysearch.org for Robbins born 1725 – 1780 in New Jersey. > > In the 1st 10 pages of results there are only a few birth records from Trenton, that’s it. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2420 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-27 04:09:35 Subject:Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius Message: If anyone is interested, I’ve been trying to research Andrew, pickings are slim. Andrew was named as an executor in his father’s Will, written Nov 1779. I assume this means Andrew was of legal age and therefore born by 1758. On the June 1793 Tax List, Andrew is listed in Hardwick Twp, Sussex County, NJ. Andrew was actually living in Stillwater, which was formed from Hardwick in 1824 when Warren County was formed from Sussex. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2421 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-27 07:20:02 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius Message: I'm interested in anything you come up with concerning this Andrew. The only thing I have (besides Andrew being named in his father's will) is a bio concerning William Slater ROBINS, son of Cornelius ROBINS. Cornelius was a brother of Andrew. This bio appears in "Biographical and Historical Record of Ringgold and Decatur Counties, Iowa", Lewis Publishing Company, 1887. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon May 27, 2019 4:09 am ((PDT)) > > If anyone is interested, I’ve been trying to research Andrew, pickings are slim. > > Andrew was named as an executor in his father’s Will, written Nov 1779. I assume this means Andrew was of legal age and therefore born by 1758. > > On the June 1793 Tax List, Andrew is listed in Hardwick Twp, Sussex County, NJ. Andrew was actually living in Stillwater, which was formed from Hardwick in 1824 when Warren County was formed from Sussex. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2422 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-27 08:45:20 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius Message: Marshall, I’ve got a quiz for you; From Stillwater, NJ Presbyterian Church records:: ROBINS - ? - 5/14/1820 - ANNE WIFE OF CORNELIUS ROBINS Cornelius Robbins and Ann Hankinson where married in 1811 in Sussex County, NJ. According to the Historical Record, Ann Hankinson was William’s mother. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 10:20 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius I'm interested in anything you come up with concerning this Andrew. The only thing I have (besides Andrew being named in his father's will) is a bio concerning William Slater ROBINS, son of Cornelius ROBINS. Cornelius was a brother of Andrew. This bio appears in "Biographical and Historical Record of Ringgold and Decatur Counties, Iowa", Lewis Publishing Company, 1887. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net > Date: Mon May 27, 2019 4:09 am ((PDT)) > > If anyone is interested, I’ve been trying to research Andrew, pickings are slim. > > Andrew was named as an executor in his father’s Will, written Nov 1779. I assume this means Andrew was of legal age and therefore born by 1758. > > On the June 1793 Tax List, Andrew is listed in Hardwick Twp, Sussex County, NJ. Andrew was actually living in Stillwater, which was formed from Hardwick in 1824 when Warren County was formed from Sussex. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2423 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-28 06:15:29 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius Message: According to Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 42 the "ROBINS - ? - 5/14/1820 - ANNE WIFE OF CORNELIUS ROBINS" is a baptismal record for a [name unknown] child of Cornelius ROBINS/ROBBINS and Sarah/Sarah Anne/Anne HANKINSON. I also have from "Marriage Index: New Jersey, 1680-1900 (FTM CD #240)", Broderbund Software, 1998: Robins, Cornelius Hankinson, Ann 26 Feb 1811 Sussex > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon May 27, 2019 8:45 am ((PDT)) > > I’ve got a quiz for you; > >> From Stillwater, NJ Presbyterian Church records:: > ROBINS - ? - 5/14/1820 - ANNE WIFE OF CORNELIUS ROBINS > > Cornelius Robbins and Ann Hankinson where married in 1811 in Sussex County, NJ. According to the Historical Record, Ann Hankinson was William’s mother. > > Garry > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 10:20 AM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius > > I'm interested in anything you come up with concerning this Andrew. > > The only thing I have (besides Andrew being named in his father's will) is > a bio concerning William Slater ROBINS, son of Cornelius ROBINS. > Cornelius was a brother of Andrew. This bio appears in "Biographical and > Historical Record of Ringgold and Decatur Counties, Iowa", Lewis > Publishing Company, 1887. > >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Mon May 27, 2019 4:09 am ((PDT)) >> >> If anyone is interested, I’ve been trying to research Andrew, pickings are slim. >> >> Andrew was named as an executor in his father’s Will, written Nov 1779. I assume this means Andrew was of legal age and therefore born by 1758. >> >> On the June 1793 Tax List, Andrew is listed in Hardwick Twp, Sussex County, NJ. Andrew was actually living in Stillwater, which was formed from Hardwick in 1824 when Warren County was formed from Sussex. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2424 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-05-28 07:35:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius Message: Marshall, I should have quizzed myself, I was thinking it was a death record for Ann. I guess Ann Hankinson/Robbins joined the church. Below are census records for Cornelius Robbins and Ann Hankinson: From the 1830 census for Stillwater, Sussex County, NJ: Robins, Cornelius 0110001001-121201 From the 1840 census for Jackson Twp, Pickaway County, OH: Robbins, Cornelius 0101101-0110001 From the 1850 census for Jackson Twp, Pickaway County, OH: Robens, Ann 58 NJ William 29 Farmer " Angeline 16 " Nancy 25 " Jane 20 " Robens, Aaron 30 Farmer NJ Anne 29 OH Children Notes: - Cornelius was aged in his 40’s in 1830 and 1840, therefore probably born about 1790. - Ann was born about 1792 - son William born 1831 was the 9th child of 10. In the 1830 census, there are 8 children - Cornelius is too young to be Andrew’s brother. Andrew’s brother, Cornelius, was probably born about 1770. - In 1830, assuming Andrew was born in the 1750’s, he would have been aged in his 70’s. Living with the family in 1830 is a male aged in his 70’s. - My guess is that Cornelius was a son of Andrew. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 9:15 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius According to Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 42 the "ROBINS - ? - 5/14/1820 - ANNE WIFE OF CORNELIUS ROBINS" is a baptismal record for a [name unknown] child of Cornelius ROBINS/ROBBINS and Sarah/Sarah Anne/Anne HANKINSON. I also have from "Marriage Index: New Jersey, 1680-1900 (FTM CD #240)", Broderbund Software, 1998: Robins, Cornelius Hankinson, Ann 26 Feb 1811 Sussex > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net > Date: Mon May 27, 2019 8:45 am ((PDT)) > > I’ve got a quiz for you; > >> From Stillwater, NJ Presbyterian Church records:: > ROBINS - ? - 5/14/1820 - ANNE WIFE OF CORNELIUS ROBINS > > Cornelius Robbins and Ann Hankinson where married in 1811 in Sussex County, NJ. According to the Historical Record, Ann Hankinson was William’s mother. > > Garry > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 10:20 AM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius > > I'm interested in anything you come up with concerning this Andrew.. > > The only thing I have (besides Andrew being named in his father's will) is > a bio concerning William Slater ROBINS, son of Cornelius ROBINS. > Cornelius was a brother of Andrew. This bio appears in "Biographical and > Historical Record of Ringgold and Decatur Counties, Iowa", Lewis > Publishing Company, 1887. > >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Mon May 27, 2019 4:09 am ((PDT)) >> >> If anyone is interested, I’ve been trying to research Andrew, pickings are slim. >> >> Andrew was named as an executor in his father’s Will, written Nov 1779. I assume this means Andrew was of legal age and therefore born by 1758. >> >> On the June 1793 Tax List, Andrew is listed in Hardwick Twp, Sussex County, NJ. Andrew was actually living in Stillwater, which was formed from Hardwick in 1824 when Warren County was formed from Sussex. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2425 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-05-29 15:32:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius Message: I'm away from home now (left home Tuesday) until the end of June. While I'm away it's difficult for me to check my genealogy material. But, I do see that according to Robin Welander Cornelius was born in 1775. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Tue May 28, 2019 7:35 am ((PDT)) > > I should have quizzed myself, I was thinking it was a death record for Ann. I guess Ann Hankinson/Robbins joined the church. > > Below are census records for Cornelius Robbins and Ann Hankinson: > >> From the 1830 census for Stillwater, Sussex County, NJ: > Robins, Cornelius 0110001001-121201 > > From the 1840 census for Jackson Twp, Pickaway County, OH: > Robbins, Cornelius 0101101-0110001 > >> From the 1850 census for Jackson Twp, Pickaway County, OH: > Robens, Ann 58 NJ > William 29 Farmer " > Angeline 16 " > Nancy 25 " > Jane 20 " > Robens, Aaron 30 Farmer NJ > Anne 29 OH > Children > > Notes: > - Cornelius was aged in his 40’s in 1830 and 1840, therefore probably born about 1790. > - Ann was born about 1792 > - son William born 1831 was the 9th child of 10. In the 1830 census, there are 8 children > - Cornelius is too young to be Andrew’s brother. Andrew’s brother, Cornelius, was probably born about 1770. > - In 1830, assuming Andrew was born in the 1750’s, he would have been aged in his 70’s. Living with the family in 1830 is a male aged in his 70’s. > - My guess is that Cornelius was a son of Andrew. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 9:15 AM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius > > > > According to Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 42 the "ROBINS - ? > - 5/14/1820 - ANNE WIFE OF CORNELIUS ROBINS" is a baptismal record for a > [name unknown] child of Cornelius ROBINS/ROBBINS and Sarah/Sarah Anne/Anne > HANKINSON. > > I also have from "Marriage Index: New Jersey, 1680-1900 (FTM CD #240)", > Broderbund Software, 1998: > > Robins, Cornelius Hankinson, Ann 26 Feb 1811 Sussex > >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Mon May 27, 2019 8:45 am ((PDT)) >> >> I’ve got a quiz for you; >> >>> From Stillwater, NJ Presbyterian Church records:: >> ROBINS - ? - 5/14/1820 - ANNE WIFE OF CORNELIUS ROBINS >> >> Cornelius Robbins and Ann Hankinson where married in 1811 in Sussex County, NJ. According to the Historical Record, Ann Hankinson was William’s mother. >> >> Garry > >> From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 10:20 AM >> To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Andrew Robbins, son of Cornelius >> >> I'm interested in anything you come up with concerning this Andrew.. >> >> The only thing I have (besides Andrew being named in his father's will) is >> a bio concerning William Slater ROBINS, son of Cornelius ROBINS. >> Cornelius was a brother of Andrew. This bio appears in "Biographical and >> Historical Record of Ringgold and Decatur Counties, Iowa", Lewis >> Publishing Company, 1887. >> >>> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >>> Date: Mon May 27, 2019 4:09 am ((PDT)) >>> >>> If anyone is interested, I’ve been trying to research Andrew, pickings are slim. >>> >>> Andrew was named as an executor in his father’s Will, written Nov 1779. I assume this means Andrew was of legal age and therefore born by 1758. >>> >>> On the June 1793 Tax List, Andrew is listed in Hardwick Twp, Sussex County, NJ. Andrew was actually living in Stillwater, which was formed from Hardwick in 1824 when Warren County was formed from Sussex. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2426 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-07-21 09:26:30 Subject:Hunterdon Co, NJ Probate Records, Orphans' Court Minutes (1785-1806) Message: An index for Hunterdon County, New Jersey Probate Records, Orphans' Court Minutes (1785-1806) can be seen here ... http://www.mlake.net/book-indexes/HunterdonCoProbateOrphanCourt.html There are a few ROBBINS and ROBINS in the index. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2427 Sender:Dorman Nelson Post Date/Time:2019-07-21 09:56:43 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Hunterdon Co, NJ Probate Records, Orphans' Court Minutes (1785-1806) Message: Thanks Marshall for your fine work ...always! I notice Dianna Garrison—- I will nose a bit! DORMAN Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > An index for Hunterdon County, New Jersey Probate Records, Orphans' Court > Minutes (1785-1806) can be seen here ... > > http://www.mlake.net/book-indexes/HunterdonCoProbateOrphanCourt.html > > There are a few ROBBINS and ROBINS in the index. > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2428 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-07-21 20:25:09 Subject:Azubia Thatcher Robbins Message: Hi Marshall, I am looking to find the parents of Asubia Thatcher. I think it is Bartholomew Thatcher but hope you can confirm this. 41.53 Vincent RobinsFather - 55.31 Isaac RobinsMother - Asubia Thatcher Thank you ! Cris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2429 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-07-21 20:36:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Azubia Thatcher Robbins Message: To the group, My sister and I have a DNA connection to the Clevenger / Pittman family and we are hoping there is a Robbins connection back in Hunderton County, N.J. Also the Sutton family history is really interesting considering Isaac Robbins wife remarried a James Sutton but cannot prove if it is the Rev. James Sutton who was in the area of Washington County, PA around the time Isaac died. There was a Benjamin Sutton who lived in Eagle Brown C ounty in 1820 and relates back to the Sutton family history in N.J. Thanks for your time ! Cris On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:25:18 PM EDT, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Marshall, I am looking to find the parents of Asubia Thatcher. I think it is Bartholomew Thatcher but hope you can confirm this. 41.53 Vincent RobinsFather - 55.31 Isaac RobinsMother - Asubia Thatcher Thank you ! 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Sent from my iPad > On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:36 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > To the group, > > My sister and I have a DNA connection to the Clevenger / Pittman family and we are hoping there is a Robbins connection back in Hunderton County, N.J. Also the Sutton family history is really interesting considerin g Isaac Robbins wife remarried a James Sutton but cannot prove if it is the Rev. James Sutton who was in the area of Washington County, PA around the time Isaac died. There was a Benjamin Sutton who lived in Eagle Brown County in 1820 and relates back to the Sutton family history in N.J. > > Thanks for your time ! > > Cris > > On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:25:18 PM EDT, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Hi Marshall, I am looking to find the parents of Asubia Thatcher. I think it is Bartholomew Thatcher but hope you can confirm this. > > > > 41.53 Vincent Robins > Father - 55.31 Isaac Robins > Mother - Asubia Thatcher > > > Thank you ! > > Cris > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2431 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-07-22 08:02:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Azubia Thatcher Robbins Message: Thank you Shirley ! I went down a road with my Joshua Chambers 1765-1844 Chester County, PA he married a Rebecca Dickinson 1774-1847. Her father Gaius Dickinson had a sister Sarah Thatcher who married William Thatcher also from PA. His father was Richard Thatcher also from PA. His father was Jonathan Thatcher brother to Bartholomew Thatcher father of Azubia Thatcher Robbins. Granted not a straight arrow connection but a connection probably through the "New Garden monthly meeting" in chester PA. Would love to hear any thoughts ! Cris ., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935 for Joshua Chambers On Monday, July 22, 2019, 01:18:27 AM EDT, Shirley Hawley robins.shirley@yahoo.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Your a honey. Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2019, at 10:36 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: To the group, My sister and I have a DNA connection to the Clevenger / Pittman family and we are hoping there is a Robbins connection back in Hunderton County, N.J. Also the Sutton family history is really interesting considering Isaac Robbins wife remarried a James Sutton but cannot prove if it is the Rev. James Sutton who was in the area of Washington County, PA around the time Isaac died. There was a Benjamin Sutton who lived in Eagle Brown C ounty in 1820 and relates back to the Sutton family history in N.J. Thanks for your time ! Cris On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 11:25:18 PM EDT, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Marshall, I am looking to find the parents of Asubia Thatcher. I think it is Bartholomew Thatcher but hope you can confirm this. 41.53 Vincent RobinsFather - 55.31 Isaac RobinsMother - Asubia Thatcher Thank you ! 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I think it was Sara who speculated that Asubia is the sister of Amos THATCHER, children of Bartholomew THATCHER and Elizabeth ------ of Kingwood Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey. I'm not sure what the basis of this speculation is. Maybe someone else here has more. > Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@... crisrobbins@... > Date: Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:25 pm ((PDT)) > > Hi Marshall, I am looking to find the parents of Asubia Thatcher. I think it is Bartholomew Thatcher but hope you can confirm this. > > > 41.53 Vincent RobinsFather - 55.31 Isaac RobinsMother - Asubia Thatcher > > Thank you ! > Cris -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2433 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-07-22 08:54:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Azubia Thatcher Robbins Message: Cris, Which Isaac ROBBINS are you referring to here when you say "Isaac Robbins wife remarried a James Sutton"? Are you referring to Isaac (1700-1741) and Asubia? > Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@... crisrobbins@... > Date: Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:36 pm ((PDT)) > > To the group, > My sister and I have a DNA connection to the Clevenger / Pittman > family and we are hoping there is a Robbins connection back in Hunderton > County, N.J. Also the Sutton family history is really interesting > considering Isaac Robbins wife remarried a James Sutton but cannot prove > if it is the Rev. James Sutton who was in the area of Washington County, > PA around the time Isaac died. There was a Benjamin Sutton who lived in > Eagle Brown County in 1820 and relates back to the Sutton family history > in N.J. > Thanks for your time ! > Cris -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2434 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2019-07-22 10:28:17 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Azubia Thatcher Robbins Message: I would also love to find proof. Have been looking for that for awhile. I think it is most likely correct but who knows? Asubia/Azubia seems like an unusual name but maybe at that time it wasn’t. Cynthia > On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > As far as I know the birth name of Asubia (spouse of Isaac ROBINS, b 1700, > d 1741) as THATCHER is educated speculation. I think it was Sara who > speculated that Asubia is the sister of Amos THATCHER, children of > Bartholomew THATCHER and Elizabeth ------ of Kingwood Township, Hunterdon > County, New Jersey. > > I'm not sure what the basis of this speculation is. Maybe someone else > here has more. > > > Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@... crisrobbins@... > > Date: Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:25 pm ((PDT)) > > > > Hi Marshall, I am looking to find the parents of Asubia Thatcher. I think it is Bartholomew Thatcher but hope you can confirm this. > > > > > > 41.53 Vincent RobinsFather - 55.31 Isaac RobinsMother - Asubia Thatcher > > > > Thank you ! > > Cris > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2435 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-07-22 17:38:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Azubia Thatcher Robbins Message: Hi Marshall, With the Chamber's /Dickinson/ Thatcher jagged arrow connection back to Bartholomew and his brother Jonathon Thatcher who lived in Chester county PA. Bartholomew Thatcher being the father of Azubia Thatcher is a believe d theory without clear evidence. Isaac Robins who married Asubia was the father of Vincent Robbins who had a son Obadiah 1760-1814. Obadiah traveled from New Jersey to Elizabeth township Washington County, PA. Tracey Marcelo found documentation on a Isaac Robbins and Sarah ? Robbins-Sutton who sold land in Mingo Creek ( Nottingham ) Washington County, PA shortly after his death around 1780. She married a James Sutton around 1 783 but the only James Sutton found was a Reverend who was married to Hannah Cox . I did find a Rev. James Sutton who performed marriages in the 1780's in Kentucky. The traveling of both Isaac Robbins and Sarah Sutton and Obadiah and Susannah Hodgkins families went west from New Jersey to the Pittsburgh area. Nottingham and Elizabeth Township Washington County, PA are very close to gether. The Allegheny river divides them but the mile difference is about 20 miles est. Obadiah and Susannah died while living in Elizabeth but there many children ended up living in Georgetown ,Brown County ,Ohio duri ng the 1810-1850's. I know that the documentation is limited and we are left following the naming patterns and other family migrations, that was why I was excited to find a Thatcher connection through my Joshua Chambers and Rebecca Dickins on family line. I am hoping that by talking of these families through our family trees and our DNA "unknown how we connect families" that we can spark other members who may have knowledge of Clevengers / Pittman for ex ample. On Familytree DNA I will study close CM relatives and try to connect them to mine, but most Robbins families go through North Carolina but end up being connected back to Daniel the 2nd. Thanks everyone for your time on this subject ! Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2436 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-07-23 02:41:33 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Azubia Thatcher Robbins Message: Hi, Isaac Robins/Robbins who married Azubia had sons Vincent and Joseph and 6 unnamed children. Apparently, there was an Isaac Jr. Are the identities of the other 5 children known? Garry Heagy From: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:38 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Azubia Thatcher Robbins Hi Marshall, With the Chamber's /Dickinson/ Thatcher jagged arrow connection back to Bartholomew and his brother Jonathon Thatcher who lived in Chester county PA. Bartholomew Thatcher being the father of Azubia Thatcher is a believe d theory without clear evidence. Isaac Robins who married Asubia was the father of Vincent Robbins who had a son Obadiah 1760-1814. Obadiah traveled from New Jersey to Elizabeth township Washington County, PA. Tracey Marcelo found documentation on a Isaac Robbins and Sarah ? Robbins-Sutton who sold land in Mingo Creek ( Nottingham ) Washington County, PA shortly after his death around 1780. She married a James Sutton around 1 783 but the only James Sutto n found was a Reverend who was married to Hannah Cox . I did find a Rev. James Sutton who performed marriages in the 1780's in Kentucky. The traveling of both Isaac Robbins and Sarah Sutton and Obadiah and Susannah Hodgkins families went west from New Jersey to the Pittsburgh area. Nottingham and Elizabeth Township Washington County, PA are very close to gether. The Allegheny river divides them but the mile difference is about 20 miles est. Obadiah and Susannah died while living in Elizabeth but there many children ended up living in Georgetown ,Brown County ,Ohio duri ng the 1810-1850's. I know that the documentation is limited and we are left following the naming patterns and other family migrations, that was why I was excited to find a Thatcher connection through my Joshua Chambers and Rebecca Dickins on family line. I am ho ping that by talking of these families through our family trees and our DNA "unknown how we connect families" that we can spark other members who may have knowledge of Clevengers / Pittman for e xample. On Familytree DNA I will study close CM relatives and try to connect them to mine, but most Robbins families go through North Carolina but end up being connected back to Daniel the 2nd. Thanks everyone for your time on this subject ! Cris Robbins ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2437 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-07-23 06:50:09 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Azubia Thatcher Robbins Message: Garry, Thank you for that bit of knowledge of Isaac Jr. ! I have seen a Isaac and Diana Garrison marriage and his birth was around 1730. Are they the same person or is my Isaac Robbins who married Sarah ? Robbins-Sutton who traveled to Pittsburgh the son of Isaac and Asubia Thatcher Robbins. This would explain the migration of Vincent and Ann Kitchen Robbins son Obadiah who lived nearby across the Allegheny. ( By the way Vincent G. Robbins was proven to be married to Charity Ryker by a Pension application but was denied because Nancy Moore was given it ) Cris Robbins On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 05:41:40 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, Isaac Robins/Robbins who married Azubia had sons Vincent and Joseph and 6 unnamed children. Apparently, there was an Isaac Jr. Are the identities of the other 5 children known? Garry Heagy From: Cris Robbins crisr obbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:38 PMTo: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Azubia Thatcher Robbins Hi Marshall, With the Chamber's /Dickinson/ Thatcher jagged arrow connection back to Bartholomew and his brother Jonathon Thatcher who lived in Chester county PA. Bartholomew Thatcher being the father of Azubia Thatcher is a believed theory without clear evidence. Isaac Robins who married Asubia was the father of Vincent Robbins who had a son Obadiah 1760-1814. Obadiah traveled from New Jersey to Elizabeth township Washington County, PA. Tracey Marcelo found documentation on a Isaac Robbins and Sarah ? Robbins-Sutton who sold land in Mingo Creek ( Nottingham ) Washington County, PA shortly after his death around 1780. She married a James Sutton arou nd 1783 but the only James Sutto n found was a Reverend who was married to Hannah Cox . I did find a Rev. James Sutton who performed marriages in the 1780's in Kentucky. The traveling of both Isaac Robbins and Sarah Su tton and Obadiah and Susannah Hodgkins families went west from New Jersey to the Pittsburgh area. Nottingham and Elizabeth Township Washington County, PA are very close together. The Allegheny river divides them but the mile difference is about 20 miles est. Obadiah and Susannah died while living in Elizabeth but there many children ended up living in Georgetown ,Brown County ,Ohio during the 1810-1850's. I know that the documentatio n is limited and we are left following the naming patterns and other family migrations, that was why I was excited to find a Thatcher connection through my Joshua Chambers and Rebecca Dickinson family line. I am ho ping that by talking of these families through our family trees and our DNA "unknown how we connect families" that we can spark other members who may have knowledge of Clevengers / Pittman for example. On Familytree DNA I will study close CM relatives and try to connect them to mine, but most Robbins families go through North Carolina but end up being connected back to Daniel the 2nd. Thanks everyone for your time on this subject ! 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Good circumstantial evidence points to a daughter, Sarah Ann. Sarah Ann b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp, d 8 Mar 1823 Hunterdon Co, mar John LAKE 1756. John LAKE b 1728 Amwell Twp, d 15 Feb 1809 NJ, son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie STRYKER. Sarah Ann ROBINS & John LAKE had children: Isaac, Thomas, Sarah Elizabeth, Cornelius, Jane, Azubah, Ann, Margaret, Mary & John. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:41 am ((PDT)) > > Isaac Robins/Robbins who married Azubia had sons Vincent and Joseph and > 6 unnamed children. Apparently, there was an Isaac Jr. Are the > identities of the other 5 children known? > > Garry Heagy -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2439 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-07-23 07:15:37 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Azubia Thatcher Robbins Message: I believe Marfy Goodspeed and Judy Arthur also believe Asubia was a THATCHER. > Posted by: "Cynthia Victor" cjvictor8855@... cjvictor8855 > Date: Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:28 am ((PDT)) > > I would also love to find proof. Have been looking for that for awhile. > I think it is most likely correct but who knows? Asubia/Azubia seems > like an unusual name but maybe at that time it wasn�t. > > Cynthia > >> On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> >> As far as I know the birth name of Asubia (spouse of Isaac ROBINS, b >> 1700, d 1741) as THATCHER is educated speculation. I think it was Sara >> who speculated that Asubia is the sister of Amos THATCHER, children of >> Bartholomew THATCHER and Elizabeth ------ of Kingwood Township, >> Hunterdon County, New Jersey. >> >> I'm not sure what the basis of this speculation is. Maybe someone else >> here has more. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2440 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-07-23 07:30:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) Message: When does Obadiah ROBINS first show up in PA ? A petition indicates Obadiah was living in NJ as late as 1785. > Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@... crisrobbins@... > Date: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:38 pm ((PDT)) > > With the Chamber's /Dickinson/ Thatcher jagged arrow connection back to > Bartholomew and his brother Jonathon Thatcher who lived in Chester > county PA. Bartholomew Thatcher being the father of Azubia Thatcher is a > believed theory without clear evidence. Isaac Robins who married Asubia > was the father of Vincent Robbins who had a son Obadiah 1760-1814. > Obadiah traveled from New Jersey to Elizabeth township Washington > County, PA. Tracey Marcelo found documentation on a Isaac Robbins and > Sarah ? Robbins-Sutton who sold land in Mingo Creek ( Nottingham ) > Washington County, PA shortly after his death around 1780. She married a > James Sutton around 1783 but the only James Sutton found was a Reverend > who was married to Hannah Cox .. I did find a Rev. James Sutton who > performed marriages in the 1780's in Kentucky. The traveling of both > Isaac Robbins and Sarah Sutton and Obadiah and Susannah Hodgkins > families went west from New Jersey to the Pittsburgh area. Nottingham > and Elizabeth Township Washington County, PA are very close together.. > The Allegheny river divides them but the mile difference is about 20 > miles est. Obadiah and Susannah died while living in Elizabeth but there > many children ended up living in Georgetown ,Brown County ,Ohio during > the 1810-1850's. I know that the documentation is limited and we are > left following the naming patterns and other family migrations, that was > why I was excited to find a Thatcher connection through my Joshua > Chambers and Rebecca Dickinson family line. I am hoping that by talking > of these families through our family trees and our DNA "unknown how we > connect families" that we can spark other members who may have > knowledge of Clevengers / Pittman for example. On Familytree DNA I will > study close CM relatives and try to connect them to mine, but most > Robbins families go through North Carolina but end up being connected > back to Daniel the 2nd. Thanks everyone for your time on this subject ! > Cris Robbins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2441 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-07-23 08:47:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Isaac ROBINS (1700-1741) & Asubia (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) Message: Hi, No solid evidence. Isaac had children Vincent, Asubia, Isaac, ... Obadiah moved to the same area that Isaac lived. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:10 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Children of Isaac ROBINS (1700-1741) & Asubia (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) Garry, what tells you there was an Isaac Jr? Good circumstantial evidence points to a daughter, Sarah Ann. Sarah Ann b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp, d 8 Mar 1823 Hunterdon Co, mar John LAKE 1756. John LAKE b 1728 Amwell Twp, d 15 Feb 1809 NJ, son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie STRYKER. Sarah Ann ROBINS & John LAKE had children: Isaac, Thomas, Sarah Elizabeth, Cornelius, Jane, Azubah, Ann, Margaret, Mary & John. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:41 am ((PDT)) > > Isaac Robins/Robbins who married Azubia had sons Vincent and Joseph and > 6 unnamed children. Apparently, there was an Isaac Jr. Are the > identities of the other 5 children known? > > Garry Heagy -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2442 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-07-23 08:49:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) Message: On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had inherited from his father. Obadiah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:30 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) When does Obadiah ROBINS first show up in PA ? A petition indicates Obadiah was living in NJ as late as 1785. > Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@... crisrobbins@... > Date: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:38 pm ((PDT)) > > With the Chamber's /Dickinson/ Thatcher jagged arrow connection back to > Bartholomew and his brother Jonathon Thatcher who lived in Chester > county PA. Bartholomew Thatcher being the father of Azubia Thatcher is a > believed theory without clear evidence. Isaac Robins who married Asubia > was the father of Vincent Robbins who had a son Obadiah 1760-1814. > Obadiah traveled from New Jersey to Elizabeth township Washington > County, PA. Tracey Marcelo found documentation on a Isaac Robbins and > Sarah ? Robbins-Sutton who sold land in Mingo Creek ( Nottingham ) > Washington County, PA shortly after his death around 1780. She married a > James Sutton around 1783 but the only James Sutton found was a Reverend > who was married to Hannah Cox .. I did find a Rev. James Sutton who > performed marriages in the 1780's in Kentucky. The traveling of both > Isaac Robbins and Sarah Sutton and Obadiah and Susannah Hodgkins > families went west from New Jersey to the Pittsburgh area. Nottingham > and Elizabeth Township Washington County, PA are very close together.. > The Allegheny river divides them but the mile difference is about 20 > miles est. Obadiah and Susannah died while living in Elizabeth but there > many children ended up living in Georgetown ,Brown County ,Ohio during > the 1810-1850's. I know that the documentation is limited and we are > left following the naming patterns and other family migrations, that was > why I was excited to find a Thatcher connection through my Joshua > Chambers and Rebecca Dickinson family line. I am hoping that by talking > of these families through our family trees and our DNA "unknown how we > connect families" that we can spark other members who may have > knowledge of Clevengers / Pittman for example. On Familytree DNA I will > study close CM relatives and try to connect them to mine, but most > Robbins families go through North Carolina but end up being connected > back to Daniel the 2nd. Thanks everyone for your time on this subject ! > Cris Robbins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2443 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-07-23 17:39:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) Message: Hello to the group, I studied Obadiah awhile back. I attached a familytree that I made for him. Interestingly enough I found on a 179? Census in Elizabeth Twp. Washington County, PA Obadiah Robbins and a James Sutton both on the census re nting property. On this web site : http://www.tbgen.com/hodgkins/children.html They talk about children of Obadiah Robbins and Susannah Hodgkins who migrated to Georgetown Brown County, Ohio. This bit of informati on - Merchant Obidiah Robin's description of relations between Wyandot Indians and whites near Tuscarawas, Ohio (May 17, 1785). is from this website https://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/clementsmss/umich-wcl-M-306har?view=text "I think this is all I can say" about Obadiah . Now give up the goods on Isaac Jr. Gary ! Ha Ha Cris Robbins On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 11:52:29 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had inherited from his father. Obadiah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:30 AMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: A zubia Thatcher Robbins) When does Obadiah ROBINS first show up in PA ? A petition indicates Obadiah was living in NJ as late as 1785. > Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@... > Date: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:38 pm ((PDT)) > > With the Chamber's /Dickinson/ Thatcher jagged arrow connection back to > Bartholomew and his brother Jonathon Thatcher who lived in Chester > county PA. Bartholomew Thatcher being the father of Azubia Thatcher is a > believed theory without clear evidence. Isaac Robins who married Asubia > was the father of Vincent Robbins who had a son Obadiah 1760-1814. > Obadiah traveled from New Jersey to Elizabeth township Washington > County, PA. Tracey Marcelo found documentation on a Isaac Robbins and > Sarah ? Robbins-Sutton who sold land in Mingo Creek ( Nottingham ) > Washington County, PA shortly after his death around 1780. She married a > James Sutton around 1783 but the only James Sutton found was a Reverend > who was married to Hannah Cox .. I did find a Rev. James Sutton who > performed marriages in the 1780's in Kentucky. The traveling of both > Isaac Robbins and Sarah Sutton and Obadiah and Susannah Hodgkins > families went west from New Jersey to the Pittsburgh area. Nottingham > and Elizabeth Township Washington County, PA are very close together.. > The Allegheny river divides them but the mile difference is about 20 > miles est. Obadiah and Susannah died while living in Elizabeth but there > many children ended up living in Georgetown ,Brown County ,Ohio during > the 1810-1850's. I know that the documentation is limited and we are > left following the naming patterns and other family migrations, that was > why I was excited to find a Thatcher connection through my Joshua > Chambers and Rebecca Dickinson family line. I am hoping that by talking > of these families through our family trees and our DNA "unknown how we > connect families" that we can spark other members who may have > knowledge of Clevengers / Pittman for example. On Familytree DNA I will > study close CM relatives and try to connect them to mine, but most > Robbins families go through North Carolina but end up being connected > back to Daniel the 2nd. 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Oops forgot one census.... 1810 View Record - Name - Obediah Robins - Home in 1810 (City, County, State) - Elizabeth, Allegheny, Pennsylvania - - On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 08:40:15 PM EDT, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@ymail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello to the group, I studied Obadiah awhile back. I attached a familytree that I made for him. Interestingly enough I found on a 179? Census in Elizabeth Twp. Washington County, PA Obadiah Robbins and a James Sutton both on the census re nting property. On this web site : http://www.tbgen.com/hodgkins/children.html They talk about children of Obadiah Robbins and Susannah Hodgkins who migrated to Georgetown Brown County, Ohio. This bit of informati on - Merchant Obidiah Robin's description of relations between Wyandot Indians and whites near Tuscarawas, Ohio (May 17, 1785). is from this website https://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/clementsmss/umich-wcl-M-306har?view=text "I think this is all I can say" about Obadiah . Now give up the goods on Isaac Jr. Gary ! Ha Ha Cris Robbins On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 11:52:29 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had inherited from his father. Obadiah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:30 AMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: A zubia Thatcher Robbins) When does Obadiah ROBINS first show up in PA ? A petition indicates Obadiah was living in NJ as late as 1785. > Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@... crisrobbins@... > Date: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:38 pm ((PDT)) > > With the Chamber's /Dickinson/ Thatcher jagged arrow connection back to > Bartholomew and his brother Jonathon Thatcher who lived in Chester > county PA. Bartholomew Thatcher being the father of Azubia Thatcher is a > believed theory without clear evidence. Isaac Robins who married Asubia > was the father of Vincent Robbins who had a son Obadiah 1760-1814. > Obadiah traveled from New Jersey to Elizabeth township Washington > County, PA. Tracey Marcelo found documentation on a Isaac Robbins and > Sarah ? Robbins-Sutton who sold land in Mingo Creek ( Nottingham ) > Washington County, PA shortly after his death around 1780. She married a > James Sutton around 1783 but the only James Sutton found was a Reverend > who was married to Hannah Cox .. I did find a Rev. James Sutton who > performed marriages in the 1780's in Kentucky. The traveling of both > Isaac Robbins and Sarah Sutton and Obadiah and Susannah Hodgkins > families went west from New Jersey to the Pittsburgh area. Nottingham > and Elizabeth Township Washington County, PA are very close together.. > The Allegheny river divides them but the mile difference is about 20 > miles est. Obadiah and Susannah died while living in Elizabeth but there > many children ended up living in Georgetown ,Brown County ,Ohio during > the 1810-1850's. I know that the documentation is limited and we are > left following the naming patterns and other family migrations, that was > why I was excited to find a Thatcher connection through my Joshua > Chambers and Rebecca Dickinson family line. I am hoping that by talking > of these families through our family trees and our DNA "unknown how we > connect families" that we can spark other members who may have > knowledge of Clevengers / Pittman for example. On Familytree DNA I will > study close CM relatives and try to connect them to mine, but most > Robbins families go through North Carolina but end up being connected > back to Daniel the 2nd. 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Asubia was born (date unknown). Isaac Robins and Asubia had the following children: i. John Robins, died 1804. ii. Vincent Robins, died aft 11 Feb 1760. iii. Jonathan Robins Sr. born 2710; died aft 18 Oct 1796, Alexandria Twp., Hunterdon County, New Jersey. iv. Joseph Robins. Isaac Robbins Jr. would make a lot of sense to be my missing link connecting the Robbins line from Ohio back to New Jersey. That would mean his wife Sarah probably came from the same area as well ? Your information on Obadiah was correct but maybe the names of where lived changed to another State , County, during that time period. Cris On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 08:53:51 PM EDT, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@ymail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello all. Oops forgot one census.... 1810 View Record - Name - Obediah Robins - Home in 1810 (City, County, State) - Elizabeth, Allegheny, Pennsylvania - - On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 08:40:15 PM EDT, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello to the group, I studied Obadiah awhile back. I attached a familytree that I made for him. Interestingly enough I found on a 179? Census in Elizabeth Twp. Washington County, PA Obadiah Robbins and a James Sutton both on the census re nting property. On this web site : http://www.tbgen.com/hodgkins/children.html They talk about children of Obadiah Robbins and Susannah Hodgkins who migrated to Georgetown Brown County, Ohio. This bit of informati on - Merchant Obidiah Robin's description of relations between Wyandot Indians and whites near Tuscarawas, Ohio (May 17, 1785). is from this website https://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/clementsmss/umich-wcl-M-306har?view=text "I think this is all I can say" about Obadiah . Now give up the goods on Isaac Jr. Gary ! Ha Ha Cris Robbins On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 11:52:29 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had inherited from his father. Obadiah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:30 AMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: A zubia Thatcher Robbins) When does Obadiah ROBINS first show up in PA ? A petition indicates Obadiah was living in NJ as late as 1785. > Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@... crisrobbins@... > Date: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:38 pm ((PDT)) > > With the Chamber's /Dickinson/ Thatcher jagged arrow connection back to > Bartholomew and his brother Jonathon Thatcher who lived in Chester > county PA. Bartholomew Thatcher being the father of Azubia Thatcher is a > believed theory without clear evidence. Isaac Robins who married Asubia > was the father of Vincent Robbins who had a son Obadiah 1760-1814. > Obadiah traveled from New Jersey to Elizabeth township Washington > County, PA. Tracey Marcelo found documentation on a Isaac Robbins and > Sarah ? Robbins-Sutton who sold land in Mingo Creek ( Nottingham ) > Washington County, PA shortly after his death around 1780. She married a > James Sutton around 1783 but the only James Sutton found was a Reverend > who was married to Hannah Cox .. I did find a Rev. James Sutton who > performed marriages in the 1780's in Kentucky. The traveling of both > Isaac Robbins and Sarah Sutton and Obadiah and Susannah Hodgkins > families went west from New Jersey to the Pittsburgh area. Nottingham > and Elizabeth Township Washington County, PA are very close together.. > The Allegheny river divides them but the mile difference is about 20 > miles est. Obadiah and Susannah died while living in Elizabeth but there > many children ended up living in Georgetown ,Brown County ,Ohio during > the 1810-1850's. I know that the documentation is limited and we are > left following the naming patterns and other family migrations, that was > why I was excited to find a Thatcher connection through my Joshua > Chambers and Rebecca Dickinson family line. I am hoping that by talking > of these families through our family trees and our DNA "unknown how we > connect families" that we can spark other members who may have > knowledge of Clevengers / Pittman for example. On Familytree DNA I will > study close CM relatives and try to connect them to mine, but most > Robbins families go through North Carolina but end up being connected > back to Daniel the 2nd. 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We know: - Vincent - Joseph - Sarah From: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 10:54 AM To: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@ymail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) Gary, Can you please share information on Isaac Jr. I have a lady on Family Tree DNA who shared this with me. Asubia was born (date unknown). Isaac Robins and Asubia had the following children: i. John Robins, died 1804. ii. Vincent Robins, died aft 11 Feb 1760. iii. Jonathan Robins Sr. born 2710; died aft 18 Oct 1796, Alexandria Twp., Hunterdon County, New Jersey. iv. Joseph Robins. Isaac Robbins Jr. would make a lot of sense to be my missing link connecting the Robbins line from Ohio back to New Jersey. That would mean his wife Sarah probably came from the same area as well ? Your information on Obadiah was correct but maybe the names of where lived changed to another State , County, during that time period. Cris On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 08:53:51 PM EDT, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello all. Oops forgot one census.... 1810 View Record Name Obediah Robins Home in 1810 (City, County, State) Elizabeth, Allegheny, Pennsylvania On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 08:40:15 PM EDT, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello to the group, I studied Obadiah awhile back. I attached a familytree that I made for him. Interestingly enough I found on a 179? Census in Elizabeth Twp. Washington County, PA Obadiah Robbins and a James Sutton both on the census re nting property. On this web site : http://www.tbgen.com/hodgkins/children.html They talk about children of Obadiah Robbins and Susannah Hodgkins who migrated to Georgetown Brown County, Ohio. This bit of informati on a.. M erchant Obidiah Robin's description of relations between Wyandot Indians and whites near Tuscarawas, Ohio (May 17, 1785). is from this website https://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/clementsmss/umich-wcl-M-306har?view=text "I think this is all I can say" about Obadiah . Now give up the goods on Isaac Jr. Gary ! Ha Ha Cris Robbins On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 11:52:29 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had inherited from his father. Obadiah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. From: Marshall Lake mlake@mlake.net [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:30 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) When does Obadiah ROBINS first show up in PA ? A petition indicates Obadiah was living in NJ as late as 1785. > Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@... crisrobbins@... > Date: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:38 pm ((PDT)) > > With the Chamber's /Dickinson/ Thatcher jagged arrow connection back to > Bartholomew and his brother Jonathon Thatcher who lived in Chester > county PA. Bartholomew Thatcher being the father of Azubia Thatcher is a > believed theory without clear evidence. Isaac Robins who married Asubia > was the father of Vincent Robbins who had a son Obadiah 1760-1814. > Obadiah traveled from New Jersey to Elizabeth township Washington > County, PA. Tracey Marcelo found documentation on a Isaac Robbins and > Sarah ? Robbins-Sutton who sold land in Mingo Creek ( Nottingham ) > Washington County, PA shortly after his death around 1780. She married a > James Sutton around 1783 but the only James Sutton found was a Reverend > who was married to Hannah Cox .. I did find a Rev. James Sutton who > performed marriages in the 1780's in Kentucky. The traveling of both > Isaac Robbins and Sarah Sutton and Obadiah and Susannah Hodgkins > families went west from New Jersey to the Pittsburgh area. Nottingham > and Elizabeth Township Washington County, PA are very close together.. > The Allegheny river divides them but the mile difference is about 20 > miles est. Obadiah and Susannah died while living in Elizabeth but there > many children ended up living in Georgetown ,Brown County ,Ohio during > the 1810-1850's. I know that the documentation is limited and we are > left following the naming patterns and other family migrations, that was > why I was excited to find a Thatcher connection through my Joshua > Chambers and Rebecca Dickinson family line. I am hoping that by talking > of these families through our family trees and our DNA "unknown how we > connect families" that we can spark other members who may have > knowledge of Clevengers / Pittman for example. On Familytree DNA I will > study close CM relatives and try to connect them to mine, but most > Robbins families go through North Carolina but end up being connected > back to Daniel the 2nd. Thanks everyone for your time on this subject ! > Cris Robbins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2447 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-07-24 08:50:38 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) Message: From the 1781 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: McDonal, Enis 100 2 2 Vanata, John 70 2 3 5 Washburn, Jeremiah 120 3 2 5 Robins, Daniel 60 2 2 Note: Isaac's land bordered that of John Vanata and Jeremiah Washburn. John Vanaten's land was bordered on the north by Daniel Robbins. Isaac left a widow, Sarah, who by 1782 had married James Sutton. Isaac and Sarah also had at least 3 minor children in 1783: Isaac, William and James--who it appears are named in an orphan's court record. Estate records, 1781-96, and deed records, 1782-85, in Washington County, Pennsylvania: Robbins, Isaac minor ch 83 (Isaac, William, James) Isaac is not listed on Tax Lists in Nottingham Township in 1781, suggesting that he died prior to 1781. From the 1783 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Sotton, Sarah 200 acres. From Washington Co. PA Deeds v. 1. 1A 1781-1784, page 20, 4 July 1782): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXB-PQZ1-Q?i=17&cat=225855 Deed Records 1782 - 1785 by J. Richard Sutton, 1295 W. Dogwood Ct, Marion, IN 46952 Sarah Sutton, admin of Isaac Robbins to Eneas McDonald, land on Mingo Creek. Approximately 150 acres. June 7, 1782 Sarah Sutton of Mingo Creek Settlement, Washington County, Pennsylvania to Enos McDonald. 318 acres on Mingo Creek September 13, 1784. From a transcription of the Vincent Robbins Sr. to Vincent Robbins Jr. deed of 1847: Know all men by these presents that I Vincent Robins Sr. of the County of Brown and State of Ohio of the first part for and in consideration of the sum of one hundred dollars to me in hand paid and the natural love and affection which I entertain for my son Vincent Robbins Jr. of said County and State of the second part do hereby grant sell and convey release en? and confirm until the said Vincent Robbins Jr. and to his heirs and assi gns forever. All the real estate which I own or may claim title to in the State of Pennsylvania of every name and description and more particularly a tract of land containing three hundred and seventy seven acres in said State o f Pennsylvania in the Township of Nottingham Washington County adjoining lands of the heirs of F. Hull, Jacob Figley, John Wallace, James Chambers, and others and more fully described in a deed dated November 16th 1795 and recorded in Book M Volume 1 page 151 & 152 the 16th day of May 1796 in favor of Isaac Robbins from whom said land has descended to me as heir of said Isaac Robbins with all and singular the appurtenances. To Have and to Hold all of the said real estate with all the appurtenances to him the said Vincent Robbins Jr. his heirs and assigns forever. In Witness Whereof I do hereto set my hand and seal this third day of June AD 1847. Signed sealed & delivered in presence of us. Tory Coon, John Stratton, G. Anderson. State of Ohio Brown County From Jefferson County Local History: John Smock of Hanover Township Reminiscences of a Jefferson County Pioneer Published in the Madison Courier – June 26, 1874; July 3, 1874 As so many have been writing reminiscences of early life, I will give you mine, prefacing it with great-grandfathers and great-great-grandfather Jacob Smock. He was born in Amsterdam Holland; came to American before the Revolutionary War, I think about the year 1765. He came to New York and was married to Catherine Demaree. He built a house in the city which was burned with nearly everything they had in it. During the war, General Was hington sent him with a company to drive a drove of horses into the wildness to prevent them falling into the hands of the British. That company was called the “Cane Boys.” I do not know that he rendered any other services to the Colonies in that war. He moved from New York to New Jersey; from New Jersey to Virginia, where great -grandfather was born in Hanover County. They moved from Virg inia to Pennsylvania; from Pennsylvania they, with several other families, floated down the Ohio River to the falls. There they disembarked and went to Mercer County, Kentucky; settled near Danville; moved from Mercer C ounty to Shelby County and settled on a creek called Bullskin, six or seven miles west of Shelbyville. Here they were very much annoyed by the Indians. I had one uncle killed (Matthew Smock), and two uncles taken prison ers, Peter and John Smock. Father was wounded in the arm at the same time. I also had a cousin tomahawked and scalped and left for dead, but he survived, got well and lived some years afterwards. His name was Isaac Robb ins, brother to William Robbins, an early settler in Shelby Township, in Jefferson County, Indiana. My mother’s maiden name was Rachel Ryker; she had two husbands killed by the Indians; her first was Henry Hoghland. She had one son by this marriage and named him Henry, after his father. He married Miss Jane Peters of Jefferson County, and died in Harrison County, Ind. They both belonged to the Methodist church, in good standing, until their death. Mother’s second husband was William Robbins (he was killed stated). She had one daught er by this marriage who married Booth Thomas; they both died in Jennings County, Indiana. The same band of Indians who scalped young Robbins took my uncles prisoners, and then left for the Indian country, across the Ohi o. Where they crossed the river, and what they done. When the alarm guns were fired the neighbors soon collected and followed the Indian trail to the river, but the Indians had just got across, and the men had to return without rescuing the prisoners or getting a shot at the redskins. The Indians crossed the Ohio just below the mouth of Clifty Creek and then came to the river and camped at the root of a big poplar tree that stood where the courthouse now is. They remained three days, si nging and dancing and then started for their town on “Flat Rock,” going up Crooked Creek to the highlands. Peter fared pretty well. Old Winnemac adopted him into his family in place of a son he had lost. John fared wors e, often roasting wild turkey guts or eating them raw. Winnemac’s old squaw, with some young ones, took Peter into the river to wash the white blood out of him to make an Indian of him. He got one of them down in the water and was about to drown her, but the others rescued her. It pleased Winnemac very much to see him outdo the squaws. The old woman would take him to hoe corn; he wouldn’t hoe worth a cent. She then made him take the papoose to take care of; he would pinch it and make it c ry. That pleased Winnemac; he said he was no squaw—he would make a brave; a good warrior. They were with the Indians some eighteen months of two years. General Wayne had a treaty with the Indians at Greenville. Grandfather took a keg of rum and went to the treat. He got a French Canadian, an Indian trader, to buy the boys. They both lived to raise families. Peter was a very strong, stout man, weighing over 200 pounds. John was not so large. They both lived in Marion Co. Ind. Peter knew of one or two silver mines, but he could not tell where they were. He also knew them to make salt. From what he told me, I think the salt water was probably in Jackson or Lawrence County; he said it was a salt spring, boiled up and ran about twenty feet, and sank again. They carried the water as much as a mile to boi l it, not cutting a stick of timber near by the spring. Before they left the country, they covered the spring up carefully so no whites could find it. Before the battle of Tippecanoe, there was a half-blood Indian by th e name of Elliott on his way to join Gen. Harrison that stayed all night with Uncle Peter. He said if he lived to get back he would take him (Uncle Peter) to the salt spring and silver mine. He never returned – whether was killed or not, we don’t know. Something I know. I was born in Shelby Co. Ky., on a small stream called Fox Run, a tributary of Bullskin, in the spring of 1805. My father, Col. Samuel Smock, came to the Indian Territory, or New Purchase, as it was called, put up a log cabin at what has generally been known as Smock’s Big Spring, the place where the widow Morton now lives, almost three miles southwest of Hanover in Jefferson County. He enclosed about three acres of ground with a rude brush fence and some rails, planted it with corn the last of May or first of June. It made a good crop, yielding, as he thought 80 bushels of corn per acre. There was only one family of whites nearer than fourteen miles on this side of the river. There were plenty of Indians. The white family was Mason Watts. His wife, Debby, was a sister to my mother. They lived where Capt ain Robert Kyle now lives, half a mile south of Hanover. Mrs. Watts was equal to the vicissitudes and privations of a new wilderness home. She cut down with an axe; and the use of her own stalwart arms, a black walnut t ree; cut off a log the length she wanted it split, dressed cut the pieces and made the first loom ever made in Jefferson County. Late in the fall of 1805 we started to move to the home; we got to the top of the hill on the Kentucky side late in the evening; stayed all night at a Mr. John Cummins’. Next morning one of the teams returned to Shelby and the other teamster, Samuel Ryker (my uncle), cut a good sized beach sapling and chained it to the hind axle-tree, leaving the brush on to help to keep the wagon back from crowding on the horses too much. We crossed the river at Monroe’s Ferry at or near the mouth of Corn Creek, Ky. I think William Y. Monroe’s father or grandfather kept the ferry. When we started from Mr. Cummins’ in the morning to go down to the river, each one of the children that was big enough to carry anything down the hill had to carry something. It fell to me to carry a pretty large bread tray. There being a heavy, white frost, I put the tray down and got on it. I went Jehu-like until it happened to run against a bank formed by a tree falling out by the roots. For that adventure and piece of fun, I got the last “back” rations I ever got in Old Kentucky. Over the River and Far Away. There was no wagon to be had on this side of the river. Father had constructed a vehicle somewhat in the fashion of what the boys, used to call “jumper.” In this wise, taking two poles, cutting the binder end a little s lanting to make it slide easy, having an auger hole in the other end to fasten it to the hames, then putting a box on the poles behind the horse. The goods were placed in the box, and hauled it about six miles. At this time there was plenty of wild game in the woods, deer, bear, turkeys, wolves, raccoons, opossums, and a little highly performed animal they called a pole-cat. Also, foxes, some panthers and wild-cats with quite a supply of copperhead and rattle snakes. I have stated that Mason Watts was an early settler, among others there were Lafe Hardin, John Chism, Daniel Robbins, Evan Thomas and his several sons, William McCleland, Phillip Coryea, Isaac Hall, George Gess, Matthew Cooley, Amos Chitwood, Joshua Tull, Jas. Smith, Bazel Maxwell, John Maxwell, William and John Anderson, James Blankenship, John Chambers Sr., Alexander Chambers, Michael Monroe, Felix Monroe, John Barnes, James Arbuckl e, Willis F. Sullivan, Daniel Sullivan, Christopher Harrison, David H. Maxwell and others. Mason Watts was succeeded by Robert Henderson; Daniel Robbins by James Matthews, where William Matthews now lives, Christopher H arrison was succeeded by George Logan. After the lands were surveyed, there was steady emigration until 1812. Williamson Dunn, Benj. Whitson, Methodist minister, and school teacher, (first teacher was Thomas McIntire, t hen old Mr. Condrey). The cave at Big Spring was first explored by Isaac Hall and an Indian. It occurred in this way: Evan Thomas, living where James Cochrane now lives, had a tub of thread in cave soaking the lev out of it; there came a big freshet and washed the tub away. One or two skeins of the thread were found hanging on a crag of the rock at the mouth of the cave by the creek, between half to three quarters from where it started. Isaac Hall and the Indian then went hunting the thread and the tub. In 1812, the time of the Indian troubles, a good many of the settlers left the country and went across the river to Kentucky. My father and others stayed and built block houses and forts. Samuel Smock was the first Justice of the Peace and the first Postmaster ever commissioned within the present bounds of in Jefferson County; the Smockville post office being the first established in the county. General Harrison was then Governor of the Territory. I believe Thomas Posey of Virginia was the first Governor, but I am not certain. The lands were not surveyed when we came to the Territory. A Mr. Harris surveyed the lands in the district of the Jeffersonville land office. Thomas Harris carried the United States mail from Lawrenceburg to Jeffersonville, He lived where Mr. Lund now lives, on the Hanover Pike. The roads at that time were bad and he suffered a great deal in the winter, but he was faithful to the Government through wet, and dry, heat and cold. He was of the Methodist denomination. The place where my father settled, Big Spring, proved to be the 16th section, reserved by an act of Congress for school purposes, consequently, he could not enter it; he entered 160 acres up the creek where Robert Taylo r lived and died. He swapped with Wm. James for place where Mr. George Millican now lives. Mr. James and Mr. Early, his brother-in-law joined the Shakers and left the neighborhood and went to Brearam on the Wabash. When the news came of the Pigeon Roost murder a good many left and went across the river, leaving their stock and most of their goods. Several families went that night to James Anderson’s Fort, three-quarters of a mile south of where Hanover now is. Our family, all went there except father. Court was then sitting in Madison, William McFarland being presiding judge, and Samuel Smock, and William Cotton of Switzerland County were Associ ate Judges. Father came home, put up his horse, ate his supper and went to bed, keeping the fort until morning and then surrendered it to mother, who had returned with the family and others. The Provoke A family by the name of Collins were the principal sufferers at the “Pigeon Roost.” Mr. Collins had offended some Indians by ordering them off his place, using language and threats which would under our present laws amo unt to provoke. The Indians then threatened him, hence the murder. Some have charged White-Eyes with it, but I think he was innocent as he was not with the company that was insulted by Mr. Collins, though I think it was probable he was in the battle of “Tippecanoe, as he was absent from the settlement for some time. Old Painter had a wigwam on the creek at the mouth of the spring branch, and below the Big Spring where the Latta family now live. The woods caught fire one fall and burned his shanty. He accused the whites of burning it, and there were some fears he would do some mischief, but he left the country. His shanty was constructed with poles c overed with lynn and buckeye bark peeled when the sap was up. It was what was called a “three-faced cabin” – three walls and open in front. How Neal’s Creek Got Its Name After peace was made in 1814, the country was settled very fast. Among others, a man by the name of Jesse Neal came. One winter night a comfortable snow fell; next morning he took his gun and went hunting; It was cloudy and snowed that day. It being cloudy and no sun to be seen, he got lost. He wandered about, crossing his own tracks several times, until I suppose he was tired down. He creeped into a hollow log in the creek bottom, wh ere he was frozen stiff. The creek has been called Neal’s Creek ever since. It empties in Big Creek near Paris. Home of the Privation Encountered For a few years we had to go to Kentucky for provisions or to Work’s Mill in Clark County, near Charlestown. It was not long until Mr. Edwards built a mill on Clifty, just above the road that now crosses the creek. The next nearest mill was built by William Ramsey on the creek called Ramsey’s Fork of White River, next to the mill where Kent now is. The first fruit trees brought to the neighborhood were brought from Shelby Co., Ky., by father and Peter VanCleave. Previous to Edwards’ and Ramseys’ mills, father had built a hand mill. The neighbors brought corn and taking turns would grind it. It ground slow, being turned by hand, but it was toll free. We had to pen the sheep every night to keep the wolves from them. To exterminate the wolves as much as possible, the first settlers built pens to trap them. The pens were built of logs, generally split logs. The top wa s so heavy a wolf could not raise it. It was constructed with a trigger to which the bait (a piece of meat) was fastened. The trigger was attached to a pole which held the lid or top of the pen up. When the wolf got int o the pen and pulled the meat the trap fell and Mr. Wolf was caught and killed, and $2 received for his scalp, which was the legal price for both ears. The people were more social then than they are now. They went ten or twelve miles to help one another roll logs or raise a house. The Indians would sometimes help, but they were very awkward. The men sometimes went 8, 1 0 or 12 miles to work the roads. Joshua Deputy told me some years ago that it cost him $12 one for failing to work one day. Before this county was organized, this county, Jennings, and Scott Counties all belonged to Cla rk County and we had to go to Charlestown to attend court. I have criticized Mr. Dinwiddie and Colonel Vawter, and I may be criticized by others, but I have given, as I have no doubt they did, what I believe to be facts . I have lived within the bounds of what is now Jefferson County longer than any person now living. If these reminiscences will interest anyone, all right. I have been interviewed by a good many friends, and requested t o write what I know about the first settling of the county. Now you have it Respectfully, Your fellow citizen John Smock P.S.—There are some things I omitted to state in their proper place, so many thoughts were crowding themselves upon me. When the Indians came upon my grandfather’s family in Kentucky, they were working in the clearing, opening a farm. Uncle John hid in a brush heap and might have escaped, but when he saw the Indians came upon my grandfather’s family in Kentucky, they were working in the clearing, opening a farm. Uncle John hid in a br ush heap and might have escaped, but when he saw the Indians had caught Peter, he betrayed himself by crying. One of the Indians gave father a close chase for life; when father jumped the fence which enclosed a yard aro und the house the Indian struck at him with his tomahawk, the lick falling on the top rail of the fence. The Indian then made tracks in the bushes, and the whole party hastened across the river as stated. Some of the Indians were filthy. I have already said I never knew them to take anything said I never knew them to take anything without asking for it. I will give a case at hand. Father had a large white sow to die one winter; she was in good order; she was dragged to the woods and thrown by a big log. Some two or three days after she was deposited there, one of Old Painter’s gang or company came to father and asked if he might have t he hog. Father told him c-o-hon (yes); but asked him what he wanted it for. The Indian said “to make venison.” They skinned the hog, cut it up, and smoked it; I suppose they ate it. From: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 10:54 AM To: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) Gary, Can you please share information on Isaac Jr. I have a lady on Family Tree DNA who shared this with me. Asubia was born (date unknown). Isaac Robins and Asubia had the following children: i. John Robins, died 1804. ii. Vincent Robins, died aft 11 Feb 1760. iii. Jonathan Robins Sr. born 2710; died aft 18 Oct 1796, Alexandria Twp., Hunterdon County, New Jersey. iv. Joseph Robins. Isaac Robbins Jr. would make a lot of sense to be my missing link connecting the Robbins line from Ohio back to New Jersey. That would mean his wife Sarah probably came from the same area as well ? Your information on Obadiah was correct but maybe the names of where lived changed to another State , County, during that time period. Cris On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 08:53:51 PM EDT, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello all. Oops forgot one census.... 1810 View Record Name Obediah Robins Home in 1810 (City, County, State) Elizabeth, Allegheny, Pennsylvania On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 08:40:15 PM EDT, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello to the group, I studied Obadiah awhile back. I attached a familytree that I made for him. Interestingly enough I found on a 179? Census in Elizabeth Twp. Washington County, PA Obadiah Robbins and a James Sutton both on the census re nting property. On this web site : http://www.tbgen.com/hodgkins/children.html They talk about children of Obadiah Robbins and Susannah Hodgkins who migrated to Georgetown Brown County, Ohio. This bit of informati on a.. M erchant Obidiah Robin's description of relations between Wyandot Indians and whites near Tuscarawas, Ohio (May 17, 1785). is from this website https://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/clementsmss/umich-wcl-M-306har?view=text "I think this is all I can say" about Obadiah . Now give up the goods on Isaac Jr. Gary ! Ha Ha Cris Robbins On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 11:52:29 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had inherited from his father. Obadiah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:30 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) When does Obadiah ROBINS first show up in PA ? A petition indicates Obadiah was living in NJ as late as 1785. > Posted by: "Cris Robbins" crisrobbins@ymail.com crisrobbins@... > Date: Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:38 pm ((PDT)) > > With the Chamber's /Dickinson/ Thatcher jagged arrow connection back to > Bartholomew and his brother Jonathon Thatcher who lived in Chester > county PA. Bartholomew Thatcher being the father of Azubia Thatcher is a > believed theory without clear evidence. Isaac Robins who married Asubia > was the father of Vincent Robbins who had a son Obadiah 1760-1814. > Obadiah traveled from New Jersey to Elizabeth township Washington > County, PA. Tracey Marcelo found documentation on a Isaac Robbins and > Sarah ? Robbins-Sutton who sold land in Mingo Creek ( Nottingham ) > Washington County, PA shortly after his death around 1780. She married a > James Sutton around 1783 but the only James Sutton found was a Reverend > who was married to Hannah Cox .. I did find a Rev. James Sutton who > performed marriages in the 1780's in Kentucky. The traveling of both > Isaac Robbins and Sarah Sutton and Obadiah and Susannah Hodgkins > families went west from New Jersey to the Pittsburgh area. Nottingham > and Elizabeth Township Washington County, PA are very close together.. > The Allegheny river divides them but the mile difference is about 20 > miles est. Obadiah and Susannah died while living in Elizabeth but there > many children ended up living in Georgetown ,Brown County ,Ohio during > the 1810-1850's. I know that the documentation is limited and we are > left following the naming patterns and other family migrations, that was > why I was excited to find a Thatcher connection through my Joshua > Chambers and Rebecca Dickinson family line. I am hoping that by talking > of these families through our family trees and our DNA "unknown how we > connect families" that we can spark other members who may have > knowledge of Clevengers / Pittman for example. On Familytree DNA I will > study close CM relatives and try to connect them to mine, but most > Robbins families go through North Carolina but end up being connected > back to Daniel the 2nd. Thanks everyone for your time on this subject ! > Cris Robbins -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2448 Sender:Shirley Hawley Post Date/Time:2019-07-24 12:20:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) Message: Wonderful story, I wonder what happened to James Robbins? Probably not my James anyway. Thanks Sent from my iPad > On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:50 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > County ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2449 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-07-24 14:41:04 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) Message: Garry, do we know that the two records you cited are for the same Obadiah ROBINS ? The petition I referenced is dated 23 Jun 1785. The petition isn't for Obadiah, the son of Richard ROBINS & Catherine HOLMES, since this Obadiah died in 1775. There was another Obadiah, born c1726, son of Benjamin ROBINS & Judith ------. And there was a third Obadiah, born 21 Oct 1761, son of Nathaniel ROBBINS & Ruth VanROOME. I don't know anything more about the last two Obadiahs. Re-reading the petition I guess I'm presuming that the Obadiah in the petition is the son of Vincent ROBINS and Ann KITCHEN (especially since there's no location mentioned). Transcription of the petition follows: BEGIN [page 1] ? Memorial Obadiah Robbins & Co. June 23, 1785 Referred to ? Hardy ? Howell ? J. Henry ? Pettit ? Grayson (?) [page 2] To the humble the Continental Congress The memorial of Obediah Robins & Company merchants at said ? humbly sheweth --- That your memorialist at sundry times advanced many articles of merchandise to persons who have been unfortunate enough to be taken prisoners by the indians. That your memorialist exhibited an account of such supplies to the humble the Commissioners for treating with the indians a copy of which is herewith transmitted; - But though the Commissioner were satisfied of the justice of your memorialist application they did not think their powers extended so far as to furnish relief - your memorialist therefore pray that your honorable body will take their case under consideration, & as a regard only to the right of humanity would them to supply the unfortunate that you will be pleased to reimburse them, and your petitioners as in duly bound shall ever pray. Obediah Robins & Co [page 3] Report of ? Hardy ? Howell ? J Henry ? Pettit ? Grayson (?) On case of Obach ? Indians ent'd read 5 July 1785 Obediah Robins [page 4] The committee to whom was referred the letter from John Obach & a memorial from Obediah Robins & Co. submit the following report. - That the letter from the said John Obach be referred to the Commissioners on Indian Affairs; & the memorial from Obediah Robbins & Co. be referred to the Comptroller of the Treasury to report. - END > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:49 am ((PDT)) > > On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had inherited from his father. > > Obadiah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. > > From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:30 AM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Obadiah ROBINS (was: Azubia Thatcher Robbins) > > > When does Obadiah ROBINS first show up in PA ? > > A petition indicates Obadiah was living in NJ as late as 1785. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2450 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-07-27 20:52:16 Subject:Re: Obadiah ROBINS (son of Vincent ROBINS and Ann KITCHEN) Message: Garry, Do we know (and if so, how do we know?) that the two Obadiahs cited below are the same Obadiah? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:49 am ((PDT)) > > On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had > inherited from his father. > > Obadiah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from > 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2451 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-07-29 02:43:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Obadiah ROBINS (son of Vincent ROBINS and Ann KITCHEN) Message: Marshall, That’s a good point. Possibly Chis can confirm. Garry From: Marshall Lake mlake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 11:52 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Obadiah ROBINS (son of Vincent ROBINS and Ann KITCHEN) Garry, Do we know (and if so, how do we know?) that the two Obadiahs cited below are the same Obadiah? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:49 am ((PDT)) > > On April 24, 1775, Obadiah sold the land in Amwell Township, that he had > inherited from his father. > > Obadiah was on Tax Lists for Rostraver, Westmoreland County, PA, from > 1783 - 1789. Allegheny County was formed in 1788 from Westmoreland. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2452 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-08-14 12:09:44 Subject:Kate ROBBINS Message: Does anyone know who this ROBBINS might be ? ... Hunterdon Gazette Flemington, NJ 24 Apr 1861 Married, April 11th, at the house of the bride's father, by the Rev. G. Van Horn, Rev. E. E. Walton, of the Newark Annual Conference, to Miss Kate Robbins, of Neshanic. -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2453 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-09-06 13:19:55 Subject:John ROBINS, married 1802 Hunterdon Co, NJ Message: Anyone know who this John ROBINS might be ... from "Some Records of Old Hunterdon County 1701-1838" by Phyllis B D'Autrechy in 1979 BEGIN Kingwood Baptist Church Marriage Records A True Record of those that the Rev'd Garner Hunt has Married in Kingwood 1802 132. John Robins and Caty Rearheart, Sep 1 END -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2454 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-12 03:42:47 Subject:Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Hi, Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph Robbins. I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then matches with descendants of Bartholomew. I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which could explain my first matches. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2455 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-12 08:38:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Wow! That's really interesting and definitely indicates your theories are probably correct! Tracey On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 3:42 AM 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Hi, > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I got > matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then matches with > descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2456 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-12 09:06:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: A couple of comments/questions ... What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but is there something which tells you this is correct? From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching results. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2457 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-12 10:58:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Hi Marshall, I don’t have a recorded source of his birth. I was going with “some researchers” on the surname of Azubiah. From New Jersey Abstract of Wills: 1741, April 1. Robins, Isaac, of Hunterdon Co.; Will of Wife, Asubia Sons - Vincent and Joseph Six children mentioned. Executors - wife, and friends Job Robins and Amos Thatcher Witnesses - Jacob Knowles, Lydia Thatcher, John Lewis Proved Oct. 22, 1741 Amos Thatcher is the son of Bartholomew. Lydia is Amos’ wife. My DNA matches suggest I fit in here. I don’t know Joseph’s wife’s surname, potentially it was Thatcher. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 A couple of comments/questions ... What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but is there something which tells you this is correct? From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching results. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2458 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-12 11:56:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Hi Tracey, Marshall has reduced my level of excitement with good questions. I’ve received an email from Cris Robbins who I believe is a descendant of Vincent Robbins, son of Isaac. He has taken the autosomal DNA test. He has a strong match, 26 cM, with a descendant of William Thatcher born ab out 1790 in New Jersey. The trees for William don’t show much. William married Margaret Kemple. I see that Jacob Kemple born 1782 married Lucretia Thatcher born 1784, daughter of Jonas born 1752 son of William born 1716 son of Bartholomew. William born 1716 had a son William who had a son William, it’s a possibility. I’ve asked Cris to check for further Thatcher DNA matches. Everyone probably has Thatcher matches, but I’ve given him some parameters. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:38 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Wow! That's really interesting and definitely indicates your theories are probably correct! Tracey On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 3:42 AM 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi, Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph Robbins. I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then matches with descendants of Bartholomew. I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which could explain my first matches. Garry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2459 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-13 08:12:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Garry, Don't go solely upon my opinion of autosomal DNA. Join a DNA mailing list. There are members of the lists who seem to know what they're talking about and will answer questions. Concerning Joseph (son of Isaac ROBINS & Asubia) the only thing I have is that he (and his brother, Vincent) sold 200 acres in Amwell Twp to Job ROBINS 15 Mar 1755. Do you have more concerning Joseph? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:58 am ((PDT)) > > I don’t have a recorded source of his birth. > > I was going with “some researchers” on the surname of Azubiah. > > From New Jersey Abstract of Wills: > 1741, April 1. Robins, Isaac, of Hunterdon Co.; Will of > Wife, Asubia > Sons - Vincent and Joseph > Six children mentioned. > Executors - wife, and friends Job Robins and Amos Thatcher > Witnesses - Jacob Knowles, Lydia Thatcher, John Lewis > Proved Oct. 22, 1741 > > Amos Thatcher is the son of Bartholomew. Lydia is Amos’ wife. > > My DNA matches suggest I fit in here. I don’t know Joseph’s wife’s surname, potentially it was Thatcher. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM > > > A couple of comments/questions ... > > What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? > > I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a > THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but > is there something which tells you this is correct? > > From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these > relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching > results. > >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) >> >> Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph >> Robbins. >> >> I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. >> >> I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. >> >> This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac >> Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. >> >> My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I >> got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then >> matches with descendants of Bartholomew. >> >> I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which >> could explain my first matches. >> >> Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2460 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-13 08:49:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Marshall, I’ve got enough DNA matches with this Thatcher family to know that I’m a descendant. I realize it’s possible I’m a descendant of another line than Bartholomew but I’m not aware of another Thatcher possibility. I would like confirmation from an Isaac and Azubiah descendant. I’m thinking this is the same Joseph Robins. After selling property in 1755 he would have had the money to purchase elsewhere. Garry From Hunterdon County Deeds: Date - 1 Nov 1757 Grantor - John Biles of Kingwood Township Grantee - Joseph Robins, yeoman, of Kingwood Township Land - 120 acres situate in Kingwood Township, consideration - £240 Adjoining - John Emley, John Biles Signed - John Biles Witnesses - Edmund Freeman Elisha Emley Date - 28 March 1763 Grantor - Joseph Robins of Kingwood Township Grantee - Jeremiah King of Kingwood Township Land - 91 acres situate in Kingwood Township, consideration - £273 Adjoining - Daniel Farnsworth, Jeremiah King, James Johnson, Martain Binder, John Emley Signed - Joseph Robins Rachel Robins Witnesses - Thomas Stevenson Jacob Paxson John Oliver From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:12 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Garry, Don't go solely upon my opinion of autosomal DNA. Join a DNA mailing list. There are members of the lists who seem to know what they're talking about and will answer questions. Concerning Joseph (son of Isaac ROBINS & Asubia) the only thing I have is that he (and his brother, Vincent) sold 200 acres in Amwell Twp to Job ROBINS 15 Mar 1755. Do you have more concerning Joseph? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:58 am ((PDT)) > > I don’t have a recorded source of his birth. > > I was going with “some researchers” on the surname of Azubiah. > > From New Jersey Abstract of Wills: > 1741, April 1. Robins, Isaac, of Hunterdon Co.; Will of > Wife, Asubia > Sons - Vincent and Joseph > Six children mentioned. > Executors - wife, and friends Job Robins and Amos Thatcher > Witnesses - Jacob Knowles, Lydia Thatcher, John Lewis > Proved Oct. 22, 1741 > > Amos Thatcher is the son of Bartholomew. Lydia is Amos’ wife. > > My DNA matches suggest I fit in here. I don’t know Joseph’s wife’s surname, potentially it was Thatcher. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM > > > A couple of comments/questions ... > > What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? > > I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a > THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but > is there something which tells you this is correct? > > From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these > relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching > results. > >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@... >> Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) >> >> Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph >> Robbins. >> >> I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. >> >> I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. >> >> This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac >> Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. >> >> My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I >> got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then >> matches with descendants of Bartholomew. >> >> I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which >> could explain my first matches. >> >> Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2461 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-13 08:59:46 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: If you can "triangulate" your autosomal matches, you can establish pretty reliable results about who your common ancestors are--even back as far as 5th to 8th generations. You can read about triangulation here: https://www.yourdnaguide.com/ydgblog/2019/7/2/dna-triangulation Now, if your family lived in one area (like Warren Co. New Jersey) for several generations and therefore you are related to MANY families in that one area for generations...it gets much more difficult to figure out which line which DNA matches come from. To triangulate properly, you really need to know which people you match but also which chromosome segments you match on. Because Ancestry DNA doesn't provide a chromosome browser, it's pretty much impossible to compare matching chromosome segments. FamilyTree DNA and 23andMe both provide chromosome browsers so you can compare segments easily. Tracey On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 11:12 AM Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > Garry, > > Don't go solely upon my opinion of autosomal DNA. Join a DNA mailing > list. There are members of the lists who seem to know what they're > talking about and will answer questions. > > Concerning Joseph (son of Isaac ROBINS & Asubia) the only thing I have is > that he (and his brother, Vincent) sold 200 acres in Amwell Twp to Job > ROBINS 15 Mar 1755. > > Do you have more concerning Joseph? > > > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net > > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:58 am ((PDT)) > > > > I don’t have a recorded source of his birth. > > > > I was going with “some researchers” on the surname of Azubiah. > > > > From New Jersey Abstract of Wills: > > 1741, April 1. Robins, Isaac, of Hunterdon Co.; Will of > > Wife, Asubia > > Sons - Vincent and Joseph > > Six children mentioned. > > Executors - wife, and friends Job Robins and Amos Thatcher > > Witnesses - Jacob Knowles, Lydia Thatcher, John Lewis > > Proved Oct. 22, 1741 > > > > Amos Thatcher is the son of Bartholomew. Lydia is Amos’ wife. > > > > My DNA matches suggest I fit in here. I don’t know Joseph’s wife’s > surname, potentially it was Thatcher. > > > > Garry > > > > > From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM > > > > > > A couple of comments/questions ... > > > > What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? > > > > I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a > > THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, > but > > is there something which tells you this is correct? > > > > From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these > > relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching > > results. > > > > >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > >> Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > >> > >> Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > >> Robbins. > >> > >> I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > >> > >> I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > >> > >> This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > >> Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > >> > >> My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > >> got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > >> matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > >> > >> I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > >> could explain my first matches. > >> > >> Garry > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2462 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2019-10-13 09:25:39 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: I also, have matches with other Thatcher descendants as well. Cyn > On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:50 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > >  > Marshall, > > I’ve got enough DNA matches with this Thatcher family to know that I’m a descendant. I realize it’s possible I’m a descendant of another line than Bartholomew but I’m not aware of another Thatcher possibility. I wou ld like confirmation from an Isaac and Azubiah descendant. > > I’m thinking this is the same Joseph Robins. After selling property in 1755 he would have had the money to purchase elsewhere. > > Garry > > From Hunterdon County Deeds: > Date - 1 Nov 1757 > Grantor - John Biles of Kingwood Township > Grantee - Joseph Robins, yeoman, of Kingwood Township > Land - 120 acres situate in Kingwood Township, consideration - £240 > Adjoining - John Emley, John Biles > Signed - John Biles > Witnesses - Edmund Freeman > Elisha Emley > > Date - 28 March 1763 > Grantor - Joseph Robins of Kingwood Township > Grantee - Jeremiah King of Kingwood Township > Land - 91 acres situate in Kingwood Township, consideration - £273 > Adjoining - Daniel Farnsworth, Jeremiah King, James Johnson, Martain Binder, John Emley > Signed - Joseph Robins > Rachel Robins > Witnesses - Thomas Stevenson > Jacob Paxson > John Oliver > > From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:12 AM > To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 > > > > Garry, > > Don't go solely upon my opinion of autosomal DNA. Join a DNA mailing > list. There are members of the lists who seem to know what they're > talking about and will answer questions. > > Concerning Joseph (son of Isaac ROBINS & Asubia) the only thing I have is > that he (and his brother, Vincent) sold 200 acres in Amwell Twp to Job > ROBINS 15 Mar 1755. > > Do you have more concerning Joseph? > > > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@... > > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:58 am ((PDT)) > > > > I don’t have a recorded source of his birth. > > > > I was going with “some researchers” on the surname of Azubiah. > > > > From New Jersey Abstract of Wills: > > 1741, April 1. Robins, Isaac, of Hunterdon Co.; Will of > > Wife, Asubia > > Sons - Vincent and Joseph > > Six children mentioned. > > Executors - wife, and friends Job Robins and Amos Thatcher > > Witnesses - Jacob Knowles, Lydia Thatcher, John Lewis > > Proved Oct. 22, 1741 > > > > Amos Thatcher is the son of Bartholomew. Lydia is Amos’ wife. > > > > My DNA matches suggest I fit in here. I don’t know Joseph’s wife’s surname, potentially it was Thatcher. > > > > Garry > > > > > From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] > > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM > > > > > > A couple of comments/questions .... > > > > What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? > > > > I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a > > THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but > > is there something which tells you this is correct? > > > > From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these > > relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching > > results. > > > > >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > >> Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > >> > >> Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > >> Robbins. > >> > >> I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > >> > >> I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > >> > >> This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > >> Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > >> > >> My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > >> got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > >> matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > >> > >> I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > >> could explain my first matches. > >> > >> Garry > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2463 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-13 09:43:14 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Hi Cynthia, One has to inspect the matching family tree to see if there’s another common ancestor that’s producing the match and also follow the Thatcher family to see where it descends from. Some family trees will only go so far back, which can make it difficult. Then of course there are trees that aren’t correct. Are you aware or suspect that you’re a Thatcher descendant? Garry From: Cynthia Victor cjvictor8855@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 12:25 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 I also, have matches with other Thatcher descendants as well. Cyn On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:50 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote:  Marshall, I’ve got enough DNA matches with this Thatcher family to know that I’m a descendant. I realize it’s possible I’m a descendant of another line than Bartholomew but I’m not aware of another Thatcher possibility. I wou ld like confirmation from an Isaac and Azubiah descendant. I’m thinking this is the same Joseph Robins. After selling property in 1755 he would have had the money to purchase elsewhere. Garry From Hunterdon County Deeds: Date - 1 Nov 1757 Grantor - John Biles of Kingwood Township Grantee - Joseph Robins, yeoman, of Kingwood Township Land - 120 acres situate in Kingwood Township, consideration - £240 Adjoining - John Emley, John Biles Signed - John Biles Witnesses - Edmund Freeman Elisha Emley Date - 28 March 1763 Grantor - Joseph Robins of Kingwood Township Grantee - Jeremiah King of Kingwood Township Land - 91 acres situate in Kingwood Township, consideration - £273 Adjoining - Daniel Farnsworth, Jeremiah King, James Johnson, Martain Binder, John Emley Signed - Joseph Robins Rachel Robins Witnesses - Thomas Stevenson Jacob Paxson John Oliver From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:12 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Garry, Don't go solely upon my opinion of autosomal DNA. Join a DNA mailing list. There are members of the lists who seem to know what they're talking about and will answer questions. Concerning Joseph (son of Isaac ROBINS & Asubia) the only thing I have is that he (and his brother, Vincent) sold 200 acres in Amwell Twp to Job ROBINS 15 Mar 1755. Do you have more concerning Joseph? > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:58 am ((PDT)) > > I don’t have a recorded source of his birth. > > I was going with “some researchers” on the surname of Azubiah. > > From New Jersey Abstract of Wills: > 1741, April 1. Robins, Isaac, of Hunterdon Co.; Will of > Wife, Asubia > Sons - Vincent and Joseph > Six children mentioned. > Executors - wife, and friends Job Robins and Amos Thatcher > Witnesses - Jacob Knowles, Lydia Thatcher, John Lewis > Proved Oct. 22, 1741 > > Amos Thatcher is the son of Bartholomew. Lydia is Amos’ wife. > > My DNA matches suggest I fit in here. I don’t know Joseph’s wife’s surname, potentially it was Thatcher. > > Garry > > From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM > > > A couple of comments/questions ..... > > What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? > > I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a > THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but > is there something which tells you this is correct? > > From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these > relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching > results. > >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) >> >> Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph >> Robbins. >> >> I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. >> >> I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. >> >> This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac >> Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. >> >> My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I >> got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then >> matches with descendants of Bartholomew. >> >> I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which >> could explain my first matches. >> >> Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2464 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2019-10-13 11:39:53 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Gary, That’s a good point because so many families in my history have intertwined several times throughout the history. Especially with Thatchers and Lakes. Cynthia > On Oct 13, 2019, at 11:43 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > >  > Hi Cynthia, > > One has to inspect the matching family tree to see if there’s another common ancestor that’s producing the match and also follow the Thatcher family to see where it descends from. Some family trees will only go so fa r back, which can make it difficult. Then of course there are trees that aren’t correct. > > Are you aware or suspect that you’re a Thatcher descendant? > > Garry > > From: Cynthia Victor cjvictor8855@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 12:25 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 > > > I also, have matches with other Thatcher descendants as well. > > > Cyn > >> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:50 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >>  >> Marshall, >> >> I’ve got enough DNA matches with this Thatcher family to know that I’m a descendant. I realize it’s possible I’m a descendant of another line than Bartholomew but I’m not aware of another Thatcher possibility. I wo uld like confirmation from an Isaac and Azubiah descendant. >> >> I’m thinking this is the same Joseph Robins. After selling property in 1755 he would have had the money to purchase elsewhere. >> >> Garry >> >> From Hunterdon County Deeds: >> Date - 1 Nov 1757 >> Grantor - John Biles of Kingwood Township >> Grantee - Joseph Robins, yeoman, of Kingwood Township >> Land - 120 acres situate in Kingwood Township, consideration - £240 >> Adjoining - John Emley, John Biles >> Signed - John Biles >> Witnesses - Edmund Freeman >> Elisha Emley >> >> Date - 28 March 1763 >> Grantor - Joseph Robins of Kingwood Township >> Grantee - Jeremiah King of Kingwood Township >> Land - 91 acres situate in Kingwood Township, consideration - £273 >> Adjoining - Daniel Farnsworth, Jeremiah King, James Johnson, Martain Binder, John Emley >> Signed - Joseph Robins >> Rachel Robins >> Witnesses - Thomas Stevenson >> Jacob Paxson >> John Oliver >> >> From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:12 AM >> To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Re: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 >> >> >> >> Garry, >> >> Don't go solely upon my opinion of autosomal DNA. Join a DNA mailing >> list. There are members of the lists who seem to know what they're >> talking about and will answer questions. >> >> Concerning Joseph (son of Isaac ROBINS & Asubia) the only thing I have is >> that he (and his brother, Vincent) sold 200 acres in Amwell Twp to Job >> ROBINS 15 Mar 1755. >> >> Do you have more concerning Joseph? >> >> > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:58 am ((PDT)) >> > >> > I don’t have a recorded source of his birth. >> > >> > I was going with “some researchers” on the surname of Azubiah. >> > >> > From New Jersey Abstract of Wills: >> > 1741, April 1. Robins, Isaac, of Hunterdon Co.; Will of >> > Wife, Asubia >> > Sons - Vincent and Joseph >> > Six children mentioned. >> > Executors - wife, and friends Job Robins and Amos Thatcher >> > Witnesses - Jacob Knowles, Lydia Thatcher, John Lewis >> > Proved Oct. 22, 1741 >> > >> > Amos Thatcher is the son of Bartholomew. Lydia is Amos’ wife. >> > >> > My DNA matches suggest I fit in here. I don’t know Joseph’s wife’s surname, potentially it was Thatcher. >> > >> > Garry >> > >> >> > From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM >> > >> > >> > A couple of comments/questions ..... >> > >> > What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? >> > >> > I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a >> > THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but >> > is there something which tells you this is correct? >> > >> > From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these >> > relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching >> > results. >> > >> >> >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@... >> >> Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) >> >> >> >> Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph >> >> Robbins. >> >> >> >> I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. >> >> >> >> I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. >> >> >> >> This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac >> >> Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. >> >> >> >> My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I >> >> got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then >> >> matches with descendants of Bartholomew. >> >> >> >> I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which >> >> could explain my first matches. >> >> >> >> Garry >> >> -- >> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2465 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 06:39:50 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Marshall, I see that Isaac’s wife, Azubia/Azubiah is not readily recognized as a Thatcher. From the Goodspeed Histories: When Isaac Robins, son of Daniel Robins Jr., wrote his will in 1741, he left his homestead plantation of 200 acres in Amwell Township to his sons Vincent and Joseph, and named his wife Azubia and “friends” Job Robins an d Amos Thatcher his executors. Job Robins was actually his brother, and Amos Thatcher probably his brother-in-law. They both lived at Sergeantsville. One of the witnesses was Amos Thatcher’s wife Lydia. Amos Thatcher wa s probably the brother of Azubia Robins; their father was Bartholomew Thatcher, one of the most notable early settlers in Hunterdon County. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 A couple of comments/questions ... What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but is there something which tells you this is correct? From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching results. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2466 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 06:57:23 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: And don't forget gedmatch.com which may be the best bet. > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:00 am ((PDT)) > > If you can "triangulate" your autosomal matches, you can establish pretty > reliable results about who your common ancestors are--even back as far as > 5th to 8th generations. You can read about triangulation here: > https://www.yourdnaguide.com/ydgblog/2019/7/2/dna-triangulation > > Now, if your family lived in one area (like Warren Co. New Jersey) for > several generations and therefore you are related to MANY families in that > one area for generations...it gets much more difficult to figure out which > line which DNA matches come from. > To triangulate properly, you really need to know which people you match but > also which chromosome segments you match on. > Because Ancestry DNA doesn't provide a chromosome browser, it's pretty much > impossible to compare matching chromosome segments. FamilyTree DNA and > 23andMe both provide chromosome browsers so you can compare segments easily.. > > Tracey -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2467 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 07:07:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Marshall, I’m wondering why there are various spellings of Isaac’s wife’s name. I’ve found a copy of his Will, his wife’s name is given as Asubia. I’m not aware of any other record that gives Isaac’s wife’s name. Isaac’s Wills says Six Children, although the Six may have been over written with five. Isaac therefore had children Vincent, Joseph, plus 3 or 4 more. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 A couple of comments/questions ... What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but is there something which tells you this is correct? From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching results. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2468 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 08:49:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Hi to the group, The ages of Issac and Azubia Robbins known children : Vincent 1721-1760Joseph 1725-1757Sara Ann 1736-1823 On the 1741 will it mentions 6 children. The death date for Azubia Thatcher Robbins is a mystery. If Job Robbins ended up with the property and Amos Thatcher her brother lived nearby. Azubia and her un-mentioned childre n most likely stayed in the same area with either families. Is there any known Robins that left this group and moved to Sussex County, New Jersey ? I know that Obadiah Robins son of Vincent and Ann Kitchen Robbins traveled west to the Pittsburgh area. My believed Isaac Robbins 1735 +/- 10 years and died around 1780 in nearby Mingo Creek, Nottingham Washington Co unty PA. ( Tracey Marcelo research ) I like the Thatcher DNA question posed by Gary. It is interesting to compare CM matches. On familytree DNA I used family finder and found a handful of Thatcher connection's. Most of them go back to England but if anyone need names of them I can share. Cris Robbins On Monday, October 14, 2019, 10:16:57 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, I’m wondering why there are various spellings of Isaac’s wife’s name. I’ve found a copy of his Will, his wife’s name is given as Asubia. I’m not aware of any other record that gives Isaac’s wife’s name. Isaac ’s Wills says Six Children, although the Six may have been over written with five. Isaac therefore had children Vincent, Joseph, plus 3 or 4 more. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sen t: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PMTo: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 A couple of comments/questions ... What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but is there something which tells you this is correct? From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching results. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@netflash.net gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net #yiv9725392981 #yiv9725392981 -- 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I’m guessing you don’t have a record to support that date. Isaac “bequeath Unto Asubia my well beloved Wife one half of my Plantation During her Life”. “I give & bequeath to my Son Joseph Robins the half of my plantation after the Death of his Mother ...”. Vincent and Joseph sold this property in 1755, suggesting that Asubia had died. Garry From: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 11:49 AM To: 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Hi to the group, The ages of Issac and Azubia Robbins known children : Vincent 1721-1760 Joseph 1725-1757 Sara Ann 1736-1823 On the 1741 will it mentions 6 children. The death date for Azubia Thatcher Robbins is a mystery. If Job Robbins ended up with the property and Amos Thatcher her brother lived nearby. Azubia and her un-mentioned childre n most likely stayed in the same area with either families. Is there any known Robins that left this group and moved to Sussex County, New Jersey ? I know that Obadiah Robins son of Vincent and Ann Kitchen Robbins traveled west to the Pittsburgh area. My believed Isaac Robbins 1735 +/- 10 years and died around 1780 in nearby Mingo Creek, Nottingham Washington Cou nty PA. ( Tracey Marcelo research ) I like the Thatcher DNA question posed by Gary. It is interesting to compare CM matches. On familytree DNA I used family finder and found a handful of Thatcher connection's. Most of them go back to England but if anyone need names of them I can share. Cris Robbins On Monday, October 14, 2019, 10:16:57 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, I’m wondering why there are various spellings of Isaac’s wife’s name. I’ve found a copy of his Will, his wife’s name is given as Asubia. I’m not aware of any other record that gives Isaac’s wife’s name. Isaac’s Wills says Six Children, although the Six may have been over written with five. Isaac therefore had children Vincent, Joseph, plus 3 or 4 more. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 A couple of comments/questions ... What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but is there something which tells you this is correct? From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching results. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2470 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 09:22:57 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Hi, One more thing to consider when talking about Amos Thatcher. I'm of the belief that Amos Thatcher's wife was Lydia Robbins and that she was a daughter of Daniel Robbins who died between 1733 and 1737. I believe this because of the mortgage Amos obtained in 1737 on the same day (March 27) as Joshua Robins, Elisha Robins, and Isaac Robins. I believe they all received land from their father Daniel Robins and then mortgaged that land on the same day. The mortgages give descriptions of the properties and all land was originally owned by Daniel Robins. You can read Amos Thatcher's mortgage at: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/AmosThatcherMortgageALL.pdf So if Azubia was Amos' sister...and Lydia was Isaac's sister, some of you might be double related to Thatchers and Robbins. Tracey On 10/14/2019 10:49 AM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi to the group, The ages of Issac and Azubia Robbins known children : Vincent 1721-1760 Joseph 1725-1757 Sara Ann 1736-1823 On the 1741 will it mentions 6 children. The death date for Azubia Thatcher Robbins is a mystery. If Job Robbins ended up with the property and Amos Thatcher her brother lived nearby. Azubia and her un-mentioned children most likely stayed in the same area with either families. Is there any known Robins that left this group and moved to Sussex County, New Jersey ? I know that Obadiah Robins son of Vincent and Ann Kitchen Robbins traveled west to the Pittsburgh area. My believed Isaac Robbins 1735 +/- 10 years and died around 1780 in nearby Mingo Creek, Nottingham Washington County PA. ( Tracey Marcelo research ) I like the Thatcher DNA question posed by Gary. It is interesting to compare CM matches. On familytree DNA I used family finder and found a handful of Thatcher connection's. Most of them go back to England but if anyone need names of them I can share. Cris Robbins On Monday, October 14, 2019, 10:16:57 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, I’m wondering why there are various spellings of Isaac’s wife’s name. I’ve found a copy of his Will, his wife’s name is given as Asubia. I’m not aware of any other record that gives Isaac’s wife’s name. Isaac’s Wills says Six Children, although the Six may have been over written with five. Isaac therefore had children Vincent, Joseph, plus 3 or 4 more. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 A couple of comments/questions ... What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but is there something which tells you this is correct? From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching results. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2471 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 09:58:13 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Do you have a theory why Amos Thatcher’s wife is considered to be Lydia Prall? From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 12:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Hi, One more thing to consider when talking about Amos Thatcher. I'm of the belief that Amos Thatcher's wife was Lydia Robbins and that she was a daughter of Daniel Robbins who died between 1733 and 1737. I believe this because of the mortgage Amos obtained in 1737 on the same day (March 27) as Joshua Robins, Elisha Robins, and Isaac Robins. I believe they all received land from their father Daniel Robins and then mortgaged that land on the same day. The mortgages give descriptions of the properties and all land was originally owned by Daniel Robins. You can read Amos Thatcher's mortgage at: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/AmosThatcherMortgageALL.pdf So if Azubia was Amos' sister...and Lydia was Isaac's sister, some of you might be double related to Thatchers and Robbins. Tracey On 10/14/2019 10:49 AM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi to the group, The ages of Issac and Azubia Robbins known children : Vincent 1721-1760 Joseph 1725-1757 Sara Ann 1736-1823 On the 1741 will it mentions 6 children. The death date for Azubia Thatcher Robbins is a mystery. If Job Robbins ended up with the property and Amos Thatcher her brother lived nearby. Azubia and her un-mentioned child ren most likely stayed in the same area with either families. Is there any known Robins that left this group and moved to Sussex County, New Jersey ? I know that Obadiah Robins son of Vincent and Ann Kitchen Robbins traveled west to the Pittsburgh area. My believed Isaac Robbins 1735 +/- 10 years and died around 1780 in nearby Mingo Creek, Nottingham Washington C ounty PA. ( Tracey Marcelo research ) I like the Thatcher DNA question posed by Gary. It is interesting to compare CM matches. On familytree DNA I used family finder and found a handful of Thatcher connection's. Most of them go back to England but if anyo ne need names of them I can share. Cris Robbins On Monday, October 14, 2019, 10:16:57 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com wrote: Marshall, I’m wondering why there are various spellings of Isaac’s wife’s name. I’ve found a copy of his Will, his wife’s name is given as Asubia. I’m not aware of any other record that gives Isaac’s wife’s name. Isaac’s Wills says Six Children, although the Six may have been over written with five. Isaac therefore had children Vincent, Joseph, plus 3 or 4 more. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 A couple of comments/questions ... What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but is there something which tells you this is correct? From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching results. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2472 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 11:51:01 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Oops. My mistake...the Sarah Thatcher in the bible is the GRAND daughter of Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia... She's the daughter of Job Thatcher and wife Rebekah But...my point is the same...I have not seen a single record that indicates Amos Thatcher's wife was Lydia Prall. I'd love to see the evidence--direct or indirect! Tracey On 10/14/2019 1:34 PM, Tracey Marcelo wrote: I don't know why Lydia Prall has been carried forth as the wife of Amos. But it is curious to me that there is a bible record transcribed and printed in the "Genealogies of New Jersey Families" that has Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia (no maiden name given) and their children. It includes a Sarah Thatcher (daughter of Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia) who married a Josiah Prall and lists their children. See: https://books.google.com/books?id=k4zStKaPmsEC&pg=RA1-PA756&lpg=RA1-PA756&dq=Lydia+Prall&source=bl&ots=6UN01IXQEh&sig=ACfU3U1BwTbAt-9r_gVx5b3rlYTM7-fGxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOj4SosJzlAhVFIKwKHZvCDz04ChDoATAHe gQICBAC#v=onepage&q=Lydia%20Prall&f=false Has anyone seen any records that indicate Lydia was a Prall? I know it is in a lot of trees. I'd like to see a record that indicates it. Tracey On 10/14/2019 11:58 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Do you have a theory why Amos Thatcher’s wife is considered to be Lydia Prall? From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 12:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Hi, One more thing to consider when talking about Amos Thatcher. I'm of the belief that Amos Thatcher's wife was Lydia Robbins and that she was a daughter of Daniel Robbins who died between 1733 and 1737. I believe this because of the mortgage Amos obtained in 1737 on the same day (March 27) as Joshua Robins, Elisha Robins, and Isaac Robins. I believe they all received land from their father Daniel Robins and then mortgaged that land on the same day. The mortgages give descriptions of the properties and all land was originally owned by Daniel Robins. You can read Amos Thatcher's mortgage at: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/AmosThatcherMortgageALL.pdf So if Azubia was Amos' sister...and Lydia was Isaac's sister, some of you might be double related to Thatchers and Robbins. Tracey On 10/14/2019 10:49 AM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi to the group, The ages of Issac and Azubia Robbins known children : Vincent 1721-1760 Joseph 1725-1757 Sara Ann 1736-1823 On the 1741 will it mentions 6 children. The death date for Azubia Thatcher Robbins is a mystery. If Job Robbins ended up with the property and Amos Thatcher her brother lived nearby. Azubia and her un-mentioned children most likely stayed in the same area with either families. Is there any known Robins that left this group and moved to Sussex County, New Jersey ? I know that Obadiah Robins son of Vincent and Ann Kitchen Robbins traveled west to the Pittsburgh area. My believed Isaac Robbins 1735 +/- 10 years and died around 1780 in nearby Mingo Creek, Nottingham Washington County PA. ( Tracey Marcelo research ) I like the Thatcher DNA question posed by Gary. It is interesting to compare CM matches. On familytree DNA I used family finder and found a handful of Thatcher connection's. Most of them go back to England but if anyone need names of them I can share. Cris Robbins On Monday, October 14, 2019, 10:16:57 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com wrote: Marshall, I’m wondering why there are various spellings of Isaac’s wife’s name. I’ve found a copy of his Will, his wife’s name is given as Asubia. I’m not aware of any other record that gives Isaac’s wife’s name. Isaac’s Wills says Six Children, although the Six may have been over written with five. Isaac therefore had children Vincent, Joseph, plus 3 or 4 more. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 A couple of comments/questions ... What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but is there something which tells you this is correct? From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching results. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2473 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 11:34:07 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: I don't know why Lydia Prall has been carried forth as the wife of Amos. But it is curious to me that there is a bible record transcribed and printed in the "Genealogies of New Jersey Families" that has Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia (no maiden name given) and their children. It includes a Sarah Thatcher (daughter of Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia) who married a Josiah Prall and lists their children. See: https://books.google.com/books?id=k4zStKaPmsEC&pg=RA1-PA756&lpg=RA1-PA756&dq=Lydia+Prall&source=bl&ots=6UN01IXQEh&sig=ACfU3U1BwTbAt-9r_gVx5b3rlYTM7-fGxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOj4SosJzlAhVFIKwKHZvCDz04ChDoATAHe gQICBAC#v=onepage&q=Lydia%20Prall&f=false Has anyone seen any records that indicate Lydia was a Prall? I know it is in a lot of trees. I'd like to see a record that indicates it. Tracey On 10/14/2019 11:58 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Do you have a theory why Amos Thatcher’s wife is considered to be Lydia Prall? From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 12:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Hi, One more thing to consider when talking about Amos Thatcher. I'm of the belief that Amos Thatcher's wife was Lydia Robbins and that she was a daughter of Daniel Robbins who died between 1733 and 1737. I believe this because of the mortgage Amos obtained in 1737 on the same day (March 27) as Joshua Robins, Elisha Robins, and Isaac Robins. I believe they all received land from their father Daniel Robins and then mortgaged that land on the same day. The mortgages give descriptions of the properties and all land was originally owned by Daniel Robins. You can read Amos Thatcher's mortgage at: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/AmosThatcherMortgageALL.pdf So if Azubia was Amos' sister...and Lydia was Isaac's sister, some of you might be double related to Thatchers and Robbins. Tracey On 10/14/2019 10:49 AM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi to the group, The ages of Issac and Azubia Robbins known children : Vincent 1721-1760 Joseph 1725-1757 Sara Ann 1736-1823 On the 1741 will it mentions 6 children. The death date for Azubia Thatcher Robbins is a mystery. If Job Robbins ended up with the property and Amos Thatcher her brother lived nearby. Azubia and her un-mentioned children most likely stayed in the same area with either families. Is there any known Robins that left this group and moved to Sussex County, New Jersey ? I know that Obadiah Robins son of Vincent and Ann Kitchen Robbins traveled west to the Pittsburgh area. My believed Isaac Robbins 1735 +/- 10 years and died around 1780 in nearby Mingo Creek, Nottingham Washington County PA. ( Tracey Marcelo research ) I like the Thatcher DNA question posed by Gary. It is interesting to compare CM matches. On familytree DNA I used family finder and found a handful of Thatcher connection's. Most of them go back to England but if anyone need names of them I can share. Cris Robbins On Monday, October 14, 2019, 10:16:57 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com wrote: Marshall, I’m wondering why there are various spellings of Isaac’s wife’s name. I’ve found a copy of his Will, his wife’s name is given as Asubia. I’m not aware of any other record that gives Isaac’s wife’s name. Isaac’s Wills says Six Children, although the Six may have been over written with five. Isaac therefore had children Vincent, Joseph, plus 3 or 4 more. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 A couple of comments/questions ... What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but is there something which tells you this is correct? From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching results. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2474 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 11:55:00 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Marshall, This is probably a post to myself. Isaac Robins’ (? – 1741) daughter Sarah Ann born 1736 married John Lake born ?, son of Thomas Lake born 1687 Kings County, New York. Thomas Lake married Jannetje Stryker born 1690. I have DNA matches with descendants of Jan ‘John’ Lake born 1688, brother of Thomas and with descendants of Thomas. I have DNA matches with descendants of Pieter Stryker born 1653 Kings County, New York who married Annetje. I think I’ve got enough matches to make this convincing. I’ve got a genealogy project. It wasn’t long ago that I was thinking I don’t have much left to research. I would like to know of anyone with matches to Lake and Stryker. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 9:57 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 And don't forget gedmatch.com which may be the best bet. > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:00 am ((PDT)) > > If you can "triangulate" your autosomal matches, you can establish pretty > reliable results about who your common ancestors are--even back as far as > 5th to 8th generations. You can read about triangulation here: > https://www.yourdnaguide.com/ydgblog/2019/7/2/dna-triangulation > > Now, if your family lived in one area (like Warren Co. New Jersey) for > several generations and therefore you are related to MANY families in that > one area for generations...it gets much more difficult to figure out which > line which DNA matches come from. > To triangulate properly, you really need to know which people you match but > also which chromosome segments you match on. > Because Ancestry DNA doesn't provide a chromosome browser, it's pretty much > impossible to compare matching chromosome segments. FamilyTree DNA and > 23andMe both provide chromosome browsers so you can compare segments easily.. > > Tracey -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2475 Sender:Cynthia Victor Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 12:15:16 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: I have also seen that in many trees and was working on that premise for a long time. However, several years ago I contacted the administrator for the Prall/Praal Family Association and asked him if was able to shed any light on this. I was told that he gets many inquiries about this but there is nothing they have currently that shows a Lydia Prall either as part of the Prall family or a Lydia married into the family. He also mentione d that Lydia was not a name occurring in the Prall lines. I agree that I believe it was Lydia Robbins married to Amos Thatcher, but have not, as yet, found any solid documentation to back this up. > On Oct 14, 2019, at 1:54 PM, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > >  > I don't know why Lydia Prall has been carried forth as the wife of Amos. > But it is curious to me that there is a bible record transcribed and printed in the "Genealogies of New Jersey Families" that has Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia (no maiden name given) and their children. It includes a S arah Thatcher (daughter of Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia) who married a Josiah Prall and lists their children. > > See: https://books.google.com/books?id=k4zStKaPmsEC&pg=RA1-PA756&lpg=RA1-PA756&dq=Lydia+Prall&source=bl&ots=6UN01IXQEh&sig=ACfU3U1BwTbAt-9r_gVx5b3rlYTM7-fGxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOj4SosJzlAhVFIKwKHZvCDz04ChDoATAHegQ ICBAC#v=onepage&q=Lydia%20Prall&f=false > > Has anyone seen any records that indicate Lydia was a Prall? > I know it is in a lot of trees. I'd like to see a record that indicates it. > > Tracey > > On 10/14/2019 11:58 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >> >> Do you have a theory why Amos Thatcher’s wife is considered to be Lydia Prall? >> >> From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] >> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 12:22 PM >> To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 >> >> >> Hi, >> >> One more thing to consider when talking about Amos Thatcher. >> >> I'm of the belief that Amos Thatcher's wife was Lydia Robbins and that she was a daughter of Daniel Robbins who died between 1733 and 1737. >> >> I believe this because of the mortgage Amos obtained in 1737 on the same day (March 27) as Joshua Robins, Elisha Robins, and Isaac Robins. >> I believe they all received land from their father Daniel Robins and then mortgaged that land on the same day. The mortgages give descriptions of the properties and all land was originally owned by Daniel Robins. >> You can read Amos Thatcher's mortgage at: >> http://sites.rootsweb.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/AmosThatcherMortgageALL.pdf >> >> So if Azubia was Amos' sister...and Lydia was Isaac's sister, some of you might be double related to Thatchers and Robbins. >> >> Tracey >> >> On 10/14/2019 10:49 AM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>> >>> Hi to the group, >>> >>> The ages of Issac and Azubia Robbins known children : >>> >>> Vincent 1721-1760 >>> Joseph 1725-1757 >>> Sara Ann 1736-1823 >>> >>> On the 1741 will it mentions 6 children. The death date for Azubia Thatcher Robbins is a mystery. If Job Robbins ended up with the property and Amos Thatcher her brother lived nearby. Azubia and her un-mentioned chi ldren most likely stayed in the same area with either families. Is there any known Robins that left this group and moved to Sussex County, New Jersey ? >>> >>> I know that Obadiah Robins son of Vincent and Ann Kitchen Robbins traveled west to the Pittsburgh area. My believed Isaac Robbins 1735 +/- 10 years and died around 1780 in nearby Mingo Creek, Nottingham Washington County PA. ( Tracey Marcelo research ) >>> >>> I like the Thatcher DNA question posed by Gary. It is interesting to compare CM matches. On familytree DNA I used family finder and found a handful of Thatcher connection's. Most of them go back to England but if an yone need names of them I can share. >>> >>> Cris Robbins >>> On Monday, October 14, 2019, 10:16:57 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Marshall, >>> >>> I’m wondering why there are various spellings of Isaac’s wife’s name. >>> >>> I’ve found a copy of his Will, his wife’s name is given as Asubia. I’m not aware of any other record that gives Isaac’s wife’s name. >>> >>> Isaac’s Wills says Six Children, although the Six may have been over written with five. >>> >>> Isaac therefore had children Vincent, Joseph, plus 3 or 4 more. >>> >>> Garry >>> >>> From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM >>> To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 >>> >>> >>> >>> A couple of comments/questions ... >>> >>> What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? >>> >>> I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a >>> THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but >>> is there something which tells you this is correct? >>> >>> From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these >>> relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching >>> results. >>> >>> > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@netflash.net >>> > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) >>> > >>> > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph >>> > Robbins. >>> > >>> > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. >>> > >>> > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. >>> > >>> > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac >>> > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. >>> > >>> > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I >>> > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then >>> > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. >>> > >>> > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which >>> > could explain my first matches. >>> > >>> > Garry >>> >>> -- >>> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net >>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2476 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 13:11:30 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Message: Marshall, What do you think? Tracey’s good with her research. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 2:34 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 I don't know why Lydia Prall has been carried forth as the wife of Amos. But it is curious to me that there is a bible record transcribed and printed in the "Genealogies of New Jersey Families" that has Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia (no maiden name given) and their children. It includes a Sar ah Thatcher (daughter of Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia) who married a Josiah Prall and lists their children. See: https://books.google.com/books?id=k4zStKaPmsEC&pg=RA1-PA756&lpg=RA1-PA756&dq=Lydia+Prall&source=bl&ots=6UN01IXQEh&sig=ACfU3U1BwTbAt-9r_gVx5b3rlYTM7-fGxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOj4SosJzlAhVFIKwKHZvCDz04ChDoATAHegQIC BAC#v=onepage&q=Lydia%20Prall&f=false Has anyone seen any records that indicate Lydia was a Prall? I know it is in a lot of trees. I'd like to see a record that indicates it. Tracey On 10/14/2019 11:58 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Do you have a theory why Amos Thatcher’s wife is considered to be Lydia Prall? From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 12:22 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 Hi, One more thing to consider when talking about Amos Thatcher. I'm of the belief that Amos Thatcher's wife was Lydia Robbins and that she was a daughter of Daniel Robbins who died between 1733 and 1737. I believe this because of the mortgage Amos obtained in 1737 on the same day (March 27) as Joshua Robins, Elisha Robins, and Isaac Robins. I believe they all received land from their father Daniel Robins and then mortgaged that land on the same day. The mortgages give descriptions of the properties and all land was originally owned by Daniel Robins. You can read Amos Thatcher's mortgage at: http://sites.rootsweb.com/~marcelo/Robbins/Mortgages/AmosThatcherMortgageALL.pdf So if Azubia was Amos' sister...and Lydia was Isaac's sister, some of you might be double related to Thatchers and Robbins. Tracey On 10/14/2019 10:49 AM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi to the group, The ages of Issac and Azubia Robbins known children : Vincent 1721-1760 Joseph 1725-1757 Sara Ann 1736-1823 On the 1741 will it mentions 6 children. The death date for Azubia Thatcher Robbins is a mystery. If Job Robbins ended up with the property and Amos Thatcher her brother lived nearby. Azubia and her un-mentioned chi ldren most likely stayed in the same area with either families. Is there any known Robins that left this group and moved to Sussex County, New Jersey ? I know that Obadiah Robins son of Vincent and Ann Kitchen Robbins traveled west to the Pittsburgh area. My believed Isaac Robbins 1735 +/- 10 years and died around 1780 in nearby Mingo Creek, Nottingham Washington County PA. ( Tracey Marcelo research ) I like the Thatcher DNA question posed by Gary. It is interesting to compare CM matches. On familytree DNA I used family finder and found a handful of Thatcher connection's. Most of them go back to England but if an yone need names of them I can share. Cris Robbins On Monday, October 14, 2019, 10:16:57 AM EDT, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com wrote: Marshall, I’m wondering why there are various spellings of Isaac’s wife’s name. I’ve found a copy of his Will, his wife’s name is given as Asubia. I’m not aware of any other record that gives Isaac’s wife’s name. Isaac’s Wills says Six Children, although the Six may have been over written with five. Isaac therefore had children Vincent, Joseph, plus 3 or 4 more. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741 A couple of comments/questions ... What tells you that Isaac ROBINS (d 1741) was born in 1698 ? I know that some researchers believe Azubiah/Asubia/etc to be born a THATCHER and speculation says that she is the daughter of Bartholomew, but is there something which tells you this is correct? From what I know about autosomal DNA (which admittedly is not much) these relationships occurred too many generations ago to rely upon matching results. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 am ((PDT)) > > Yesterday, Tracey got me thinking about my probable ancestor Joseph > Robbins. > > I suspected he could be the son of Isaac Robins 1698 – 1741. > > I took an autosomal DNA test a couple of years ago. > > This morning I decided to check for DNA matches for Thatcher since Isaac > Robins was married to Azubiah Thatcher daughter of Bartholomew. > > My search started out poorly getting matches from Virginia, but then I > got matches with descendants of a brother of Bartholomew and then > matches with descendants of Bartholomew. > > I see that Bartholomew had a son, Richard, who moved to Virginia, which > could explain my first matches. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2477 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 14:58:50 Subject:Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? Message: Hi Gary, Your correct on my knowledge of when Joseph Robins died. I created a working tree on Isaac & Azubia Robins to work on Obadiah family. Joseph Robins must have been universally decided to have died in 1756 by the family t ree people ? He was a mystery that nobody seemed to know what happen too. I would like to hear where he ended up after he and his brother passed on the Hunterdon property. If they sold the remainder of Isaac's estate in 1755 that could mean the other 3-4 children underage kids from the 1741 "Will" were still living there in Amwell Township until there mother passed away. That is very help ful in building a time frame. Cris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2478 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 15:00:59 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? Message: How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? Tracey On 10/14/2019 4:58 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Gary, Your correct on my knowledge of when Joseph Robins died. I created a working tree on Isaac & Azubia Robins to work on Obadiah family. Joseph Robins must have been universally decided to have died in 1756 by the family tree people ? He was a mystery that nobody seemed to know what happen too. I would like to hear where he ended up after he and his brother passed on the Hunterdon property. If they sold the remainder of Isaac's estate in 1755 that could mean the other 3-4 children underage kids from the 1741 "Will" were still living there in Amwell Township until there mother passed away. That is very helpful in building a time frame. Cris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2479 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 16:57:24 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? Message: Hi Tracey, I know you know that I don't have the answer ! Because if there was a document you would already have it. I am humbled to say that I followed the universally accepted family tree truth people just as I did with the dea th year of 1757 for Joseph Robins son of Isaac and Azubia. (Ha Ha) Remember I'm just a OCD researcher who appreciates engaging with what I consider the best of best Robins / Robbins researchers! Cris On Monday, October 14, 2019, 06:01:08 PM EDT, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? Tracey On 10/14/2019 4:58 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Gary, Your correct on my knowledge of when Joseph Robins died. I created a working tree on Isaac & Azubia Robins to work on Obadiah family. Joseph Robins must have been universally decided to have died in 1756 by the family tree people ? He was a mystery that nobody seemed to know what happen too. I would like to hear where he ended up after he and his brother passed on the Hunterdon property. If they sold the remainder of Isaac's estate in 1755 that could mean the other 3-4 children underage kids from the 1741 "Will" were still living there in Amwell Township until there mother passed away. That is very h elpful in building a time frame. 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It is my understanding that Amos was Azubia's brother. One of Amos' daughters was named Azobah. But records pertaining to their father Bartholomew Thatcher are very sketchy. In fact, Bart seems to have been a kind of sketchy guy. He moved around a lot, and I haven't found an estate for him. So--it looks like I've got nothing but circumstantial evidence. Sorry I don't have more for you. END By the way, Judy Arthur also believes Asubia is the daughter of Bartholomew Thatcher. > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:39 am ((PDT)) > > I see that Isaac’s wife, Azubia/Azubiah is not readily recognized as a Thatcher. > > From the Goodspeed Histories: > > When Isaac Robins, son of Daniel Robins Jr., wrote his will in 1741, he left his homestead plantation of 200 acres in Amwell Township to his > sons Vincent and Joseph, and named his wife Azubia and “friends” Job Robins and Amos Thatcher his executors. Job Robins was actually his > brother, and Amos Thatcher probably his brother-in-law. They both lived at Sergeantsville. One of the witnesses was Amos Thatcher’s wife > Lydia. Amos Thatcher was probably the brother of Azubia Robins; their father was Bartholomew Thatcher, one of the most notable early settlers > in Hunterdon County.. > > Garry -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2482 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 21:23:51 Subject:Asubia (was: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741) Message: Isaac's will is the only reference I have to his spouse's name. There is a [presumed] granddaughter whose name is spelled Azubah. The [presumed] granddaughter is also referred to as Azebah. I've seen the name spelled as Azubah in an unrelated Sussex County family. Looking through my computer "attic" I see a message which names an Azubia/Azuba ROBINS who was born c1768 in NJ. Azubia married George Washburn. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:07 am ((PDT)) > Marshall, > I�m wondering why there are various spellings of Isaac�s wife�s name. > > I�ve found a copy of his Will, his wife�s name is given as Asubia. I�m not aware of any other record that gives Isaac�s wife�s name. > > Isaac�s Wills says Six Children, although the Six may have been over written with five. > > Isaac therefore had children Vincent, Joseph, plus 3 or 4 more. > > Garry > -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2483 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 21:27:56 Subject:Sarah Ann ROBINS (was: Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? and Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741) Message: John LAKE (son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie/Jane STRYKER) married Sarah Ann ROBINS (b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp) in 1756. There is no primary evidence (that I know of) saying that Sarah Ann is the daughter of Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) but I believe this to be correct because: 1. naming conventions - John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins have children named after all four grandparents: Isaac (firstborn son), Thomas (secondborn son), Jane (secondborn daughter) and Azubah (thirdborn daughter). 2. timing - Sarah Ann Robins was born in 1736, Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were married c1720; Isaac Robins was born c1700; Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) was born in 1702. 3. location - Sarah Ann Robins was born in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, New Jersey; Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were living in Hunterdon County, New Jersey (and most likely Amwell Twp) at the time of the birth of Sarah Ann Robins. Isaac Robins died in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1741; John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins always lived in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey. 4. The will of Isaac Robins states six children and refers to two sons by name. It is presumed the four unnamed children are daughters (although that could be a bad presumption). Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. The parents of Garret STRYKER were Jacobus Gerritsen STRYCKER and Ytie HUYBRECHTS. > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:01 pm ((PDT)) > > How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? > > Tracey > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:55 am ((PDT)) > > Marshall, > > This is probably a post to myself. > > Isaac Robins’ (? – 1741) daughter Sarah Ann born 1736 married John Lake born ?, son of Thomas Lake born 1687 Kings County, New York. > > Thomas Lake married Jannetje Stryker born 1690. > > I have DNA matches with descendants of Jan ‘John’ Lake born 1688, brother of Thomas and with descendants of Thomas. > > I have DNA matches with descendants of Pieter Stryker born 1653 Kings County, New York who married Annetje. > > I think I’ve got enough matches to make this convincing. > > I’ve got a genealogy project. It wasn’t long ago that I was thinking I don’t have much left to research. > > I would like to know of anyone with matches to Lake and Stryker. > > Garry > -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2484 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 21:29:41 Subject:PRALL / THATCHER (was: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741) Message: I have a bit on the PRALL and THATCHER surnames, but I don't have anything on those surnames connected to each other or to ROBINS (except for Asubah). I do see a Thatcher PRALL in my notes which may be a clue (however, it seems too far removed to mean anything). He married Eliza PRICE. Their son, Nathan Price PRALL (b 1842 NJ), married Catharine R. KUHL (daughter of Elisha H. KUHL & Mary CASE) in 1865 in Hunterdon County. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:11 pm ((PDT)) > > Marshall, > > What do you think? > > Tracey�s good with her research. > > Garry > > From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 2:34 PM > > I don't know why Lydia Prall has been carried forth as the wife of Amos. > But it is curious to me that there is a bible record transcribed and printed in the "Genealogies of New Jersey Families" that has Amos > Thatcher and wife Lydia (no maiden name given) and their children. It includes a Sarah Thatcher (daughter of Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia) who > married a Josiah Prall and lists their children. > > > See: > https://books.google.com/books?id=k4zStKaPmsEC&pg=RA1-PA756&lpg=RA1-PA756&dq=Lydia+Prall&source=bl&ots=6UN01IXQEh&sig=ACfU3U1BwTbAt-9r_gVx5b3r > lYTM7-fGxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOj4SosJzlAhVFIKwKHZvCDz04ChDoATAHegQICBAC#v=onepage&q=Lydia%20Prall&f=false > > Has anyone seen any records that indicate Lydia was a Prall? > I know it is in a lot of trees. I'd like to see a record that indicates it. > > > Tracey > -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2485 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-14 21:42:15 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS (was: Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? and Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741) Message: Thanks Marshall. Those reasons are good enough for me. But...I think Cris' ancestor, Isaac Robins might be a child of Isaac and Asubia. So I'm not convinced the 4 other children were all daughters. Tracey On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:28 PM Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > John LAKE (son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie/Jane STRYKER) married Sarah Ann > ROBINS (b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp) in 1756. > > There is no primary evidence (that I know of) saying that Sarah Ann is the > daughter of Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) but I > believe this to be correct because: > > 1. naming conventions - John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins have children > named after all four grandparents: Isaac (firstborn son), Thomas > (secondborn son), Jane (secondborn daughter) and Azubah (thirdborn > daughter). > > 2. timing - Sarah Ann Robins was born in 1736, Isaac Robins and Asubia > ------ (possibly Thatcher) were married c1720; Isaac Robins was born > c1700; Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) was born in 1702. > > 3. location - Sarah Ann Robins was born in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, > New Jersey; Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were > living in Hunterdon County, New Jersey (and most likely Amwell Twp) at > the time of the birth of Sarah Ann Robins. Isaac Robins died in > Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1741; John Lake and > Sarah Ann Robins always lived in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, > New Jersey. > > 4. The will of Isaac Robins states six children and refers to two sons > by name. It is presumed the four unnamed children are daughters > (although that could be a bad presumption). > > Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? > > My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. > > FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & > Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. The parents of Garret STRYKER were Jacobus > Gerritsen STRYCKER and Ytie HUYBRECHTS. > > > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:01 pm ((PDT)) > > > > > How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? > > > > Tracey > > > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:55 am ((PDT)) > > > > Marshall, > > > > This is probably a post to myself. > > > > Isaac Robins’ (? – 1741) daughter Sarah Ann born 1736 married John Lake > born ?, son of Thomas Lake born 1687 Kings County, New York. > > > > Thomas Lake married Jannetje Stryker born 1690. > > > > I have DNA matches with descendants of Jan ‘John’ Lake born 1688, > brother of Thomas and with descendants of Thomas. > > > > I have DNA matches with descendants of Pieter Stryker born 1653 Kings > County, New York who married Annetje. > > > > I think I’ve got enough matches to make this convincing. > > > > I’ve got a genealogy project. It wasn’t long ago that I was thinking I > don’t have much left to research. > > > > I would like to know of anyone with matches to Lake and Stryker. > > > > Garry > > > > -- > Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2486 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 02:08:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? Message: Sarah, It’s another instance where I’ve accepted what I’ve seen. There are numerous family trees. John Lake and Sarah Ann had: Isaac born 1757 Hunterdon County. Typically this son’s name would be from the father’s side but in this case ??? Asubia born 1766 Hunterdon County. Asubia is a rare name, was there even another Asubia living in the area besides Isaac’s wife? Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 6:00 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? Tracey On 10/14/2019 4:58 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Gary, Your correct on my knowledge of when Joseph Robins died. I created a working tree on Isaac & Azubia Robins to work on Obadiah family. Joseph Robins must have been universally decided to have died in 1756 by the family tree people ? He was a mystery that nobody seemed to know what happen too. I would like to hear where he ended up after he and his brother passed on the Hunterdon property. If they sold the remainder of Isaac's estate in 1755 that could mean the other 3-4 children underage kids from the 1741 "Will" were still living there in Amwell Township until there mother passed away. That is very he lpful in building a time frame. Cris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2487 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 02:12:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? Message: I’m seeing how Asubia got different spellings. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 8:11 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? Hahah. I really haven't researched Isaac and Azubia. So. It really was an innocent question on my part! 😁 Maybe someone out there has an answer! Tracey On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 6:57 PM Cris Robbins crisrobbins@...m [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Tracey, I know you know that I don't have the answer ! Because if there was a document you would already have it. I am humbled to say that I followed the universally accepted family tree truth people just as I did with the d eath year of 1757 for Joseph Robins son of Isaac and Azubia. (Ha Ha) Remember I'm just a OCD researcher who appreciates engaging with what I consider the best of best Robins / Robbins researchers! Cris On Monday, October 14, 2019, 06:01:08 PM EDT, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? Tracey On 10/14/2019 4:58 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Gary, Your correct on my knowledge of when Joseph Robins died. I created a working tree on Isaac & Azubia Robins to work on Obadiah family. Joseph Robins must have been universally decided to have died in 1756 by the fami ly tree people ? He was a mystery that nobody seemed to know what happen too. I would like to hear where he ended up after he and his brother passed on the Hunterdon property. If they sold the remainder of Isaac's estate in 1755 that could mean the other 3-4 children underage kids from the 1741 "Will" were still living there in Amwell Township until there mother passed away. That is very helpful in building a time frame. Cris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2488 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 02:23:12 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS (was: Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? and Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741) Message: Marshall, I don’t have a surname for Joseph’s Robins’ wife, Rachel. I’m also missing wives’ surnames for Dildine ancestors who lived in Hunterdon County, NJ, and Mount Bethel Twp, Northampton County, PA. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 12:27 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS (was: Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? and Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741) John LAKE (son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie/Jane STRYKER) married Sarah Ann ROBINS (b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp) in 1756. There is no primary evidence (that I know of) saying that Sarah Ann is the daughter of Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) but I believe this to be correct because: 1. naming conventions - John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins have children named after all four grandparents: Isaac (firstborn son), Thomas (secondborn son), Jane (secondborn daughter) and Azubah (thirdborn daughter). 2. timing - Sarah Ann Robins was born in 1736, Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were married c1720; Isaac Robins was born c1700; Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) was born in 1702. 3. location - Sarah Ann Robins was born in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, New Jersey; Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were living in Hunterdon County, New Jersey (and most likely Amwell Twp) at the time of the birth of Sarah Ann Robins. Isaac Robins died in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1741; John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins always lived in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey. 4. The will of Isaac Robins states six children and refers to two sons by name. It is presumed the four unnamed children are daughters (although that could be a bad presumption). Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. The parents of Garret STRYKER were Jacobus Gerritsen STRYCKER and Ytie HUYBRECHTS. > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:01 pm ((PDT)) > > How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? > > Tracey > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:55 am ((PDT)) > > Marshall, > > This is probably a post to myself. > > Isaac Robins’ (? – 1741) daughter Sarah Ann born 1736 married John Lake born ?, son of Thomas Lake born 1687 Kings County, New York. > > Thomas Lake married Jannetje Stryker born 1690. > > I have DNA matches with descendants of Jan ‘John’ Lake born 1688, brother of Thomas and with descendants of Thomas. > > I have DNA matches with descendants of Pieter Stryker born 1653 Kings County, New York who married Annetje. > > I think I’ve got enough matches to make this convincing. > > I’ve got a genealogy project. It wasn’t long ago that I was thinking I don’t have much left to research. > > I would like to know of anyone with matches to Lake and Stryker. > > Garry > -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2489 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 02:53:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? Message: Cris, This may be more than you wanted to know. I believe this to be the same Joseph Robins/Robbins. From Hunterdon County Deeds: Date - 1 Nov 1757 Grantor - John Biles of Kingwood Township Grantee - Joseph Robins, yeoman, of Kingwood Township Land - 120 acres situate in Kingwood Township, consideration - £240 Adjoining - John Emley, John Biles Signed - John Biles Witnesses - Edmund Freeman Elisha Emley Date - 28 March 1763 Grantor - Joseph Robins of Kingwood Township Grantee - Jeremiah King of Kingwood Township Land - 91 acres situate in Kingwood Township, consideration - £273 Adjoining - Daniel Farnsworth, Jeremiah King, James Johnson, Martain Binder, John Emley Signed - Joseph Robins Rachel Robins Witnesses - Thomas Stevenson Jacob Paxson John Oliver Possibly Joseph moved from Kingwood Township to Alexandria Township after the land sale. From "More Records of Old Hunterdon County, Volume I " by Phyllis B D'Autrechy in 1998 Miscellaneous Records, c1736-c1898 Joseph Robbins "lives near the Hickory". (1766) #31253 Joseph Robbins "lives near ye Hickory". (1767) #32204 From the History of Hunterdon and Somerset Counties, NJ, pg. 424: (I’ve omitted some information) Hickory Tavern March 7, 1767, John Emley leased to John Farnsworth and Adonijal Farnsworth 150 acres, including 50 of clear land. The tenants agreed to build a Good Logg house. This Logg house was the first Hickory Tavern. The signboard was fastened up a hickory tree, hence the name. The “Hickory” was a place of considerable note in colonial times. It was on “the King’s Highway”. From Pittstown to Bloomsbury it has been known since the Revolution as the Hickory Road. Note: 1) The Hickory Road is now Route #579 or the Bloomsbury Road. 2) The Hickory Tavern was located at the intersection of Route #579 and Route #614 (Little York Road) John Emley was a wealthy Quaker and large landowner in Kingwood Township. He was named to make the inventory of Daniel Robins, who died in 1763 in Amwell Twp. Daniel was the son of Job. From An Alphabetized Listing of Those Subscribers to the Oaths of Allegiance Northampton County, PA 1777-1784 Robins, Joseph #67 Apr 8, 1778 BD (Justice of the Peace) pg. 41 Note: BD is Benjamin Depui/Dupuis who lived in Mount Bethel Township, therefore Joseph was living in Mount Bethel Township. Joseph is not on the 1781 Tax List for Northampton County. Possibly Joseph returned to New Jersey, probably Warren/Sussex County. Joseph is not listed on the 1787 or 1788 Tax List for Northumberland County, Pennsylvania, therefore he moved there about 1789. This is about the same time that William Robbins and Robert Richart moved to Columbia (then Northumberland) County. Note: Robert Richart (his 2nd) married Elizabeth Robbins, who I believe is Joseph’s daughter. From the 1790 census for Northumberland County, PA: Richey, Robert 1-2-4 Robins, Joseph 2-2-2 Christie, Valentine 1-2-4 Note: Valentine Christian married Rebecca Robbins, daughter of William who died in 1811 in Hunterdon County. From the 1798 Tax List for Turbet of Derry (Milton District), Northumberland County, PA: Robbons, Joseph Land From the 1800 census for Derry Twp, Montour (then Northumberland) County, PA: Robans, Joseph 01101-00001 Note: Madison Twp, Columbia County, was formed from Derry Twp. Jerseytown is in this area. From: Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 5:58 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Death date of Azubia Thatcher Robbins ? Hi Gary, Your correct on my knowledge of when Joseph Robins died. I created a working tree on Isaac & Azubia Robins to work on Obadiah family. Joseph Robins must have been universally decided to have died in 1756 by the family t ree people ? He was a mystery that nobody seemed to know what happen too. I would like to hear where he ended up after he and his brother passed on the Hunterdon property. If they sold the remainder of Isaac's estate in 1755 that could mean the other 3-4 children underage kids from the 1741 "Will" were still living there in Amwell Township until there mother passed away. That is very help ful in building a time frame. Cris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2490 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 02:34:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Asubia (was: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741) Message: Marshall, Cris’ Isaac Robbins/Robins had a daughter Asubia who married George Washburn. George Washburn was probably born in Sussex County, NJ, son of Jeremiah Washburn and Rebecca Devore. They used traditional naming practices, they had children named, Jeremiah, Isaac, and Asubia. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 12:23 AM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Asubia (was: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741) Isaac's will is the only reference I have to his spouse's name. There is a [presumed] granddaughter whose name is spelled Azubah. The [presumed] granddaughter is also referred to as Azebah. I've seen the name spelled as Azubah in an unrelated Sussex County family. Looking through my computer "attic" I see a message which names an Azubia/Azuba ROBINS who was born c1768 in NJ. Azubia married George Washburn. > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:07 am ((PDT)) > Marshall, > Iʼm wondering why there are various spellings of Isaacʼs wifeʼs name. > > Iʼve found a copy of his Will, his wifeʼs name is given as Asubia. Iʼm not aware of any other record that gives Isaacʼs wifeʼs name. > > Isaacʼs Wills says Six Children, although the Six may have been over written with five. > > Isaac therefore had children Vincent, Joseph, plus 3 or 4 more. > > Garry > -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2491 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 08:33:22 Subject:Fw: Thanks for the emails ! Message: Hello to the group, This is a ancestry DNA connection with a Thatcher name in common: I compared it to my sister's account and her CM was a bit higher than mine 21 cm to 13 cm. The one that we both have a higher 28 cm connection ( Jake Swick ) with kind of ends at William Thatcher 1795-1840 and Margaret Kemple 1800- ?. On a 1850 Census Sarah Ann was 16 yrs old and living with her sister Ellen who married a James Wilson. Interestingly on the same Censu s there was a Margaret " who was 56 yrs old. There was a Alexander Wilson listed above her that was 87 yrs old. Not sure if she married him or not because her last name was listed as " " ? ( My thanks to Tracey for acknowledging the theory about the missing Isaac 1735 +/- 5 yrs - 1780 being a possible un-named child on the 1741 Will of Isaac & Azubia. That means a lot to me. I also believ e that John Robbins 1760-1840 and his brother Daniel Robbins who left the Washington County, Pa area for Ohio around 1800 are son's of Isaac and Sarah Sutton.) Cris ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Cris Robbins To: Garry Heagy ; Laurie Robbins Jones Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019, 03:14:57 PM EDTSubject: Re: Thanks for the emails ! Hi Gary, My sister has a 21 CM to a : P.G. Managed by RonoyceG on Ancestry. I also have a connection but the CM is 13. They have a Lucinda Thatcher 1778-1859 that married John Grate 1772-1848. I found a will for Isaac James Thatcher 1750-1839 who named her a Lina Grate. I was hoping there Son William was the same as the father of Ellen Wilson and Sarah Ann Stem ( Thatcher ) but it wasn't. Isaac James Thatcher leads to William Thatcher who died in 1803. And his father was Bartholomew Thatcher. ( Not Proven ) Isaac James Thatcher and family moved to Columbiana County Ohio around 1820. Lucinda and her husb and john Grate lived in Middleton, Columbiana County Ohio. The other William Thatcher who married Margaret Kemple was probably a nephew to Isaac James Thatcher but it appears that they stayed in Pennsylvania. I will still look to see what happen to him since he probably died be fore 1850 since his daughter's were living together. Cris On Sunday, October 13, 2019, 05:35:54 AM EDT, Garry Heagy wrote: Hi Cris, I now know why I have Isaac as a possible child of Isaac who died in 1741. Please check your other DNA matches for Thatcher. I’d like to know of a few more that connect to the Bartholomew. Bartholomew Thatc her would be 8 generations back for me. My strongest DNA match 14 cM is with a descendant of Jonathan Thatcher born 1667. Thanks,Garry From: Cris Robbins Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:01 PMTo: gheagy@... Subject : Thanks for the emails ! Hi Gary, I am with you on the theory that both our lines came through Isaac and Azubia Thatcher Robbins. I have not proved where my Isaac Robins who married a Sarah ? Robbins - Sutton came from . He was probably born around 1735 +/- 10 yrs, he died around 1780. Tracey found connections between my Ohio line Vincent Robbins and a court record tying him back to land once owned by Isaac Robbins in Mingo Creek, Was hington County, PA. You did find the line of William Thatcher and Margaret Kemple that I believe are the parents of Ellen Thatcher Wilson and her sister "Sarah Ann Thatcher" who share's 28 CM with : Jake Swick | | | | Ancestry - Sign In | | | 4th–6th Cousin Shared DNA: 28 cM across 1 segments I will work on finding proof to go along with the one's below. A while back I found a family connection from the Chambers/ Dickenson family that had a relationship with Bartholomew Thatcher's brother Jonathan. There wa s no direct DNA connection, but by a sister of Gaios Dickenson named Sarah Thatcher. I will get back to you when I find some more information that is provable. Cris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2492 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 08:54:49 Subject:Marshall naming patterns Message: Marshall, I am with you about the scottish naming patterns. They seem to change a bit with Vincent Robbins who first married Charity Ryker. There first born son was Isaac and then Gerardus Ryker Robbins. Than from memory they had a Aaron William and a Rachel Robbins Storm and finally Sara Catherine Robbins Storm. They seemed to have honored there fallen fathers, After they split apart in 1798. Vincent must have been close to his sister Azuba and brother in law George Washburn. They went north to Brown County around 1800. Vincent and his younger brother James were in Bryd townsh ip 1812-1815 according to records found by Patty Knapke. Daniel Robbins after first living in Ross County with his brother John decided to move to Adams County Ohio that was close to the river that divided Kentucky and Ohio. Bryd township where Vincent and James were at soon became part of the newly created Brown County 1816. If have attached the known names of that wretched name continuation of that beloved name Azubia in my Ohio family... Cris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2493 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 12:52:10 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] PRALL / THATCHER (was: Isaac Robins 1698 - 1741) Message: This shows Amos THATCHER marrying Lydia PRALL ... https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LVLZ-MXW/bartholomew-thatcher-1735-1817 I don't see any sources off hand. Maybe you can find out more by writing to the poster. > Posted by: "Marshall Lake" marshallelake@... mlake692000 > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:29 pm ((PDT)) > > I have a bit on the PRALL and THATCHER surnames, but I don't have anything > on those surnames connected to each other or to ROBINS (except for > Asubah). > > I do see a Thatcher PRALL in my notes which may be a clue (however, it > seems too far removed to mean anything). He married Eliza PRICE. Their > son, Nathan Price PRALL (b 1842 NJ), married Catharine R. KUHL (daughter > of Elisha H. KUHL & Mary CASE) in 1865 in Hunterdon County. >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:11 pm ((PDT)) >> >> Marshall, >> >> What do you think? >> >> Tracey?s good with her research. >> >> Garry >> >> From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 2:34 PM >> >> I don't know why Lydia Prall has been carried forth as the wife of Amos. >> But it is curious to me that there is a bible record transcribed and printed in the "Genealogies of New Jersey Families" that has Amos >> Thatcher and wife Lydia (no maiden name given) and their children. It includes a Sarah Thatcher (daughter of Amos Thatcher and wife Lydia) who >> married a Josiah Prall and lists their children. >> >> >> See: >> https://books.google.com/books?id=k4zStKaPmsEC&pg=RA1-PA756&lpg=RA1-PA756&dq=Lydia+Prall&source=bl&ots=6UN01IXQEh&sig=ACfU3U1BwTbAt-9r_gVx5b3r >> lYTM7-fGxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOj4SosJzlAhVFIKwKHZvCDz04ChDoATAHegQICBAC#v=onepage&q=Lydia%20Prall&f=false >> >> Has anyone seen any records that indicate Lydia was a Prall? >> I know it is in a lot of trees. I'd like to see a record that indicates it. >> >> >> Tracey >> -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2494 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 13:02:58 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: I agree ... I'm not convinced. The other children could have been simply minors. Were Vincent and Joseph of majority age (21, right?) in 1741? Does anyone have birth years or are able to approximate birth years for Vincent and Joseph? I would say they were certainly at least 21 in 1755 when they sold land. > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:42 pm ((PDT)) > > Thanks Marshall. Those reasons are good enough for me. > > But...I think Cris' ancestor, Isaac Robins might be a child of Isaac and > Asubia. So I'm not convinced the 4 other children were all daughters. > > Tracey > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:28 PM Marshall Lake marshallelake@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > >> >> John LAKE (son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie/Jane STRYKER) married Sarah Ann >> ROBINS (b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp) in 1756. >> >> There is no primary evidence (that I know of) saying that Sarah Ann is the >> daughter of Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) but I >> believe this to be correct because: >> >> 1. naming conventions - John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins have children >> named after all four grandparents: Isaac (firstborn son), Thomas >> (secondborn son), Jane (secondborn daughter) and Azubah (thirdborn >> daughter). >> >> 2. timing - Sarah Ann Robins was born in 1736, Isaac Robins and Asubia >> ------ (possibly Thatcher) were married c1720; Isaac Robins was born >> c1700; Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) was born in 1702. >> >> 3. location - Sarah Ann Robins was born in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey; Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were >> living in Hunterdon County, New Jersey (and most likely Amwell Twp) at >> the time of the birth of Sarah Ann Robins. Isaac Robins died in >> Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1741; John Lake and >> Sarah Ann Robins always lived in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey. >> >> 4. The will of Isaac Robins states six children and refers to two sons >> by name. It is presumed the four unnamed children are daughters >> (although that could be a bad presumption). >> >> Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? >> >> My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. >> >> FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & >> Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. The parents of Garret STRYKER were Jacobus >> Gerritsen STRYCKER and Ytie HUYBRECHTS. >>> Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx >>> Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:01 pm ((PDT)) >>> >>> >>> How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? >>> >>> Tracey >>> -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2495 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 13:06:54 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] LAKE, STRYKER (was: Sarah Ann ROBINS) Message: Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. The parents of Garret STRYKER were Jacobus Gerritsen STRYCKER and Ytie HUYBRECHTS. >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:55 am ((PDT)) >> >> Marshall, >> >> This is probably a post to myself. >> >> Isaac Robins’ (? – 1741) daughter Sarah Ann born 1736 married John Lake born ?, son of Thomas Lake born 1687 Kings County, New York. >> >> Thomas Lake married Jannetje Stryker born 1690. >> >> I have DNA matches with descendants of Jan ‘John’ Lake born 1688, brother of Thomas and with descendants of Thomas. >> >> I have DNA matches with descendants of Pieter Stryker born 1653 Kings County, New York who married Annetje. >> >> I think I’ve got enough matches to make this convincing. >> >> I’ve got a genealogy project. It wasn’t long ago that I was thinking I don’t have much left to research. >> >> I would like to know of anyone with matches to Lake and Stryker. >> >> Garry >> -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2496 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 13:28:52 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] I am back. Made some progress? Message: Hi Cris, Gregg, Tracey and all members. Thanks for any help! I have been down for awhile, depressed in more ways than one. Gregg, Marshall, Tracey etc.are quite the researchers. You people have me ready to get out my notebook again. I am Gregg’s ancient cousin unless something has changed. My line is Joshua Robbins/John Dildaine Robbins brother of Gregg’s direct ancester, Rachel Faus/John Wesley Robbins/ Anna Laura Robbins (my grandmother) Becca, who married Robert Harrison Crellin/ Robert P aul Crellin (my dad)/Kathleen Crellin (me). When I get depressed I can’t do anything so thanks all of you. So have you ideas on possible forbearers of Joshua? Gregg taught me not to blindly look at Family trees. The other Gregg finding was 2 different John Dildines and I had already fallen in love with one of them. Anythi ng new on that? I found a reference to my John Dildine by a researcher and then there was a note that said. “Beware of another John Dildine.” I knew the researcher had talked to Gregg, ha. I want to apply to DAR but not on false information. I am pretty sure I could find one on my grandmothers other side but someone has already used the Dildine that Gregg thinks is another guy. Could one of you help me with DNA? 1: I have a couple of Robbins cousins, male who I am going to try to get to do DNA testing. Specifically what test do they need to take. More than 1? Which company. Is there a Robbins dna website and a specific per son they should talk to. I am going to get their 1st cousin to talk them into it because I know her and she knows them. 2. Me. I know since I have the 2 X chromosomes that mine won’t be that helpful. Since 1 X chromosome is from my dad would that give some information on my dad’s mother’s side? What company and test would give me the mo st information about specific countries or areas where I have ancestors in? I am kind of interested in health too but could be way too expensive. I took the National Geographic test years ago and every once in awhile ge t a message about someone new in my haplogroup but to me just being called a member of haplogroup 1 doesn’t differentiate much. All my research has pointed me to Wales, England, Scotland, both Ireland’s, Catholic and Protestant, The Isle of Man for the Crellins and then the Germanic Palatines or French Huegonots. A lot of island nations so could be Vikings etc. I think the name Burke is Norman although the Irish Catholics won out as far as religion. Also some of the German Palatines were sent to Ireland but didn’t work so well. They kept trying to tame the Ir ish, ha ha. I went to my 50 year high school reunion this summer. I remember writing my science research paper on this brand new discovery, DNA and RNA. This August we have another little descendant of Joshua Robbins. Alfred Gord on Crellin (Alfie). Thank you for your hard work. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 10:33 AM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@ymail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello to the group, This is a ancestry DNA connection with a Thatcher name in common: I compared it to my sister's account and her CM was a bit higher than mine 21 cm to 13 cm. The one that we both have a higher 28 cm connection ( Jake Swick ) with kind of ends at William Thatcher 1795-1840 and Margaret Kemple 1800- ?. On a 1850 Census Sarah Ann was 16 yrs old and living with her sister Ellen who married a James Wilson. Interestingly on the same Censu s there was a Margaret " who was 56 yrs old. There was a Alexander Wilson listed above her that was 87 yrs old. Not sure if she married him or not because her last name was listed as " " ? ( My thanks to Tracey for acknowledging the theory about the missing Isaac 1735 +/- 5 yrs - 1780 being a possible un-named child on the 1741 Will of Isaac & Azubia. That means a lot to me. I also believ e that John Robbins 1760-1840 and his brother Daniel Robbins who left the Washington County, Pa area for Ohio around 1800 are son's of Isaac and Sarah Sutton.) Cris ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Cris Robbins To: Garry Heagy ; Laurie Robbins Jones Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019, 03:14:57 PM EDTSubject: Re: Thanks for the emails ! Hi Gary, My sister has a 21 CM to a : P.G. Managed by RonoyceG on Ancestry. I also have a connection but the CM is 13. They have a Lucinda Thatcher 1778-1859 that married John Grate 1772-1848. I found a will for Isaac James Thatcher 1750-1839 who named her a Lina Grate. I was hoping there Son William was the same as the father of Ellen Wilson and Sarah Ann Stem ( Thatcher ) but it wasn't. Isaac James Thatcher leads to William Thatcher who died in 1803. And his father was Bartholomew Thatcher. ( Not Proven ) Isaac James Thatcher and family moved to Columbiana County Ohio around 1820. Lucinda and her husb and john Grate lived in Middleton, Columbiana County Ohio. The other William Thatcher who married Margaret Kemple was probably a nephew to Isaac James Thatcher but it appears that they stayed in Pennsylvania. I will still look to see what happen to him since he probably died be fore 1850 since his daughter's were living together. Cris On Sunday, October 13, 2019, 05:35:54 AM EDT, Garry Heagy wrote: Hi Cris, I now know why I have Isaac as a possible child of Isaac who died in 1741. Please check your other DNA matches for Thatcher. I’d like to know of a few more that connect to the Bartholomew. Bartholomew Thatc her would be 8 generations back for me. My strongest DNA match 14 cM is with a descendant of Jonathan Thatcher born 1667. Thanks,Garry From: Cris Robbins Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:01 PMTo: gheagy@... Subject : Thanks for the emails ! Hi Gary, I am with you on the theory that both our lines came through Isaac and Azubia Thatcher Robbins. I have not proved where my Isaac Robins who married a Sarah ? Robbins - Sutton came from . He was probably born around 1735 +/- 10 yrs, he died around 1780. Tracey found connections between my Ohio line Vincent Robbins and a court record tying him back to land once owned by Isaac Robbins in Mingo Creek, Was hington County, PA. You did find the line of William Thatcher and Margaret Kemple that I believe are the parents of Ellen Thatcher Wilson and her sister "Sarah Ann Thatcher" who share's 28 CM with : Jake Swick | | | | Ancestry - Sign In | | | 4th–6th Cousin Shared DNA: 28 cM across 1 segments I will work on finding proof to go along with the one's below. A while back I found a family connection from the Chambers/ Dickenson family that had a relationship with Bartholomew Thatcher's brother Jonathan. There wa s no direct DNA connection, but by a sister of Gaios Dickenson named Sarah Thatcher. I will get back to you when I find some more information that is provable. 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My regular email is ktyc14@... Nancy Dildine did most of this just verified a some things for her. Found Dildine names on ship 10 of the Palatine ships that came from the Rhine area of Germany then to Holland then to England and then to New York, then a camp on the Hudson then to New Jersey. The names matched up. Sai nt Paul has an excellent Germanic library at Concordia college. I was able to verify some documentation she had. She isn’t able to work on it, at least the leg work. They had to work for their passage to Queen Mary bef ore they could be free. Records show their religion as Dutch Reformed. There were Huegonots on the ships though. If you were caught being Catholic you were sent back. I can go over there again if you need something. Lo ve to get out of the house. At 68, I am in good health. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 10:33 AM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello group, This is a ancestry DNA connection with a Thatcher name in common: I compared it to my sister's account and her CM was a bit higher than mine 21 cm to 13 cm. The one that we both have a higher 28 cm connection ( Jake Swick ) with kind of ends at William Thatcher 1795-1840 and Margaret Kemple 1800- ?. On a 1850 Census Sarah Ann was 16 yrs old and living with her sister Ellen who married a James Wilson. Interestingly on the same Censu s there was a Margaret " who was 56 yrs old. There was a Alexander Wilson listed above her that was 87 yrs old. Not sure if she married him or not because her last name was listed as " " ? ( My thanks to Tracey for acknowledging the theory about the missing Isaac 1735 +/- 5 yrs - 1780 being a possible un-named child on the 1741 Will of Isaac & Azubia. That means a lot to me. I also believ e that John Robbins 1760-1840 and his brother Daniel Robbins who left the Washington County, Pa area for Ohio around 1800 are son's of Isaac and Sarah Sutton.) Cris ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Cris Robbins To: Garry Heagy ; Laurie Robbins Jones Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019, 03:14:57 PM EDTSubject: Re: Thanks for the emails ! Hi Gary, My sister has a 21 CM to a : P.G. Managed by RonoyceG on Ancestry. I also have a connection but the CM is 13. They have a Lucinda Thatcher 1778-1859 that married John Grate 1772-1848. I found a will for Isaac James Thatcher 1750-1839 who named her a Lina Grate. I was hoping there Son William was the same as the father of Ellen Wilson and Sarah Ann Stem ( Thatcher ) but it wasn't. Isaac James Thatcher leads to William Thatcher who died in 1803. And his father was Bartholomew Thatcher. ( Not Proven ) Isaac James Thatcher and family moved to Columbiana County Ohio around 1820. Lucinda and her husb and john Grate lived in Middleton, Columbiana County Ohio. The other William Thatcher who married Margaret Kemple was probably a nephew to Isaac James Thatcher but it appears that they stayed in Pennsylvania. I will still look to see what happen to him since he probably died be fore 1850 since his daughter's were living together. Cris On Sunday, October 13, 2019, 05:35:54 AM EDT, Garry Heagy wrote: Hi Cris, I now know why I have Isaac as a possible child of Isaac who died in 1741. Please check your other DNA matches for Thatcher. I’d like to know of a few more that connect to the Bartholomew. Bartholomew Thatc her would be 8 generations back for me. My strongest DNA match 14 cM is with a descendant of Jonathan Thatcher born 1667. Thanks,Garry From: Cris Robbins Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:01 PMTo: gheagy@... Subject : Thanks for the emails ! Hi Gary, I am with you on the theory that both our lines came through Isaac and Azubia Thatcher Robbins. I have not proved where my Isaac Robins who married a Sarah ? Robbins - Sutton came from . He was probably born around 1735 +/- 10 yrs, he died around 1780. Tracey found connections between my Ohio line Vincent Robbins and a court record tying him back to land once owned by Isaac Robbins in Mingo Creek, Was hington County, PA. You did find the line of William Thatcher and Margaret Kemple that I believe are the parents of Ellen Thatcher Wilson and her sister "Sarah Ann Thatcher" who share's 28 CM with : Jake Swick | | | | Ancestry - Sign In | | | 4th–6th Cousin Shared DNA: 28 cM across 1 segments I will work on finding proof to go along with the one's below. A while back I found a family connection from the Chambers/ Dickenson family that had a relationship with Bartholomew Thatcher's brother Jonathan. There wa s no direct DNA connection, but by a sister of Gaios Dickenson named Sarah Thatcher. I will get back to you when I find some more information that is provable. 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Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 4:06 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] LAKE, STRYKER (was: Sarah Ann ROBINS) Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. The parents of Garret STRYKER were Jacobus Gerritsen STRYCKER and Ytie HUYBRECHTS. >> Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... >> Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:55 am ((PDT)) >> >> Marshall, >> >> This is probably a post to myself. >> >> Isaac Robins’ (? – 1741) daughter Sarah Ann born 1736 married John Lake born ?, son of Thomas Lake born 1687 Kings County, New York. >> >> Thomas Lake married Jannetje Stryker born 1690. >> >> I have DNA matches with descendants of Jan ‘John’ Lake born 1688, brother of Thomas and with descendants of Thomas. >> >> I have DNA matches with descendants of Pieter Stryker born 1653 Kings County, New York who married Annetje. >> >> I think I’ve got enough matches to make this convincing. >> >> I’ve got a genealogy project. It wasn’t long ago that I was thinking I don’t have much left to research. >> >> I would like to know of anyone with matches to Lake and Stryker. >> >> Garry >> -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2499 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 14:32:39 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] I am back. Made some progress? Message: Kathy, I’ve had supplemental SAR applications approved for our ancestors, John Dildine and his father Henry. Initially, my John Dildine application was not accepted and I had to compose a proof argument to support it. Most of the problem was the incorrect information that has been accepted by DAR. Numerous DAR applications h ave been accepted based on incorrect information in the 1st application. I’m sure there are people who will never accept the correct information, but I’m okay with that. Garry From: Kathleen Crellin ktyc14@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 4:28 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@...m Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] I am back. Made some progress? Hi Cris, Gregg, Tracey and all members. Thanks for any help! I have been down for awhile, depressed in more ways than one. Gregg, Marshall, Tracey etc.are quite the researchers. You people have me ready to get out my notebook again. I am Gregg’s ancient cousin unless something has changed. My line is Joshua Robbins/John Dildaine Robbins brother of Gregg’s direct ancester, Rachel Faus/John Wesley Robbins/ Anna Laura Robbins (my grandmother) Becca, who married Robert Harrison Crellin/ Robert P aul Crellin (my dad)/Kathleen Crellin (me). When I get depressed I can’t do anything so thanks all of you. So have you ideas on possible forbearers of Joshua? Gregg taught me not to blindly look at Family trees. The other Gregg finding was 2 different John Dildines and I had already fallen in love with one of them. Anythi ng new on that? I found a reference to my John Dildine by a researcher and then there was a note that said. “Beware of another John Dildine.” I knew the researcher had talked to Gregg, ha. I want to apply to DAR but not on false information. I am pretty sure I could find one on my grandmothers other side but someone has already used the Dildine that Gregg thinks is another guy. Could one of you help me with DNA? 1: I have a couple of Robbins cousins, male who I am going to try to get to do DNA testing. Specifically what test do they need to take. More than 1? Which company. Is there a Robbins dna website and a specific per son they should talk to. I am going to get their 1st cousin to talk them into it because I know her and she knows them. 2. Me. I know since I have the 2 X chromosomes that mine won’t be that helpful. Since 1 X chromosome is from my dad would that give some information on my dad’s mother’s side? What company and test would give me the mo st information about specific countries or areas where I have ancestors in? I am kind of interested in health too but could be way too expensive. I took the National Geographic test years ago and every once in awhile ge t a message about someone new in my haplogroup but to me just being called a member of haplogroup 1 doesn’t differentiate much. All my research has pointed me to Wales, England, Scotland, both Ireland’s, Catholic and Protestant, The Isle of Man for the Crellins and then the Germanic Palatines or French Huegonots. A lot of island nations so could be Vikings etc. I think the name Burke is Norman although the Irish Catholics won out as far as religion. Also some of the German Palatines were sent to Ireland but didn’t work so well. They kept trying to tame the Ir ish, ha ha. I went to my 50 year high school reunion this summer. I remember writing my science research paper on this brand new discovery, DNA and RNA. This August we have another little descendant of Joshua Robbins. Alfred Gord on Crellin (Alfie). Thank you for your hard work. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 10:33 AM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@ymail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hello to the group, This is a ancestry DNA connection with a Thatcher name in common: I compared it to my sister's account and her CM was a bit higher than mine 21 cm to 13 cm. The one that we both have a higher 28 cm connection ( Jak e Swick ) with kind of ends at William Thatcher 1795-1840 and Margaret Kemple 1800- ?. On a 1850 Census Sarah Ann was 16 yrs old and living with her sister Ellen who married a James Wilson. Interestingly on the same Cen sus there was a Margaret " who was 56 yrs old. There was a Alexander Wilson listed above her that was 87 yrs old. Not sure if she married him or not because her last name was listed as " " ? ( My thanks to Tracey for acknowledging the theory about the missing Isaac 1735 +/- 5 yrs - 1780 being a possible un-named child on the 1741 Will of Isaac & Azubia. That means a lot to me. I also beli eve that John Robbins 1760-1840 and his brother Daniel Robbins who left the Washington County, Pa area for Ohio around 1800 are son's of Isaac and Sarah Sutton.) Cris ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Cris Robbins To: Garry Heagy ; Laurie Robbins Jones Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019, 03:14:57 PM EDT Subject: Re: Thanks for the emails ! Hi Gary, My sister has a 21 CM to a : P.G. Managed by RonoyceG on Ancestry. I also have a connection but the CM is 13. They have a Lucinda Thatcher 1778-1859 that married Jo hn Grate 1772-1848. I found a will for Isaac James Thatcher 1750-1839 who named her a Lina Grate. I was hoping there Son William was the same as the father of Ellen Wilson and Sarah Ann Stem ( Thatcher ) bu t it wasn't. Isaac James Thatcher leads to William Thatcher who died in 1803. And his father was Bartholomew Thatcher. ( Not Proven ) Isaac James Thatcher and family moved to Columbiana County Ohio around 1820. Lucinda and her hu sband john Grate lived in Middleton, Columbiana County Ohio. The other William Thatcher who married Margaret Kemple was probably a nephew to Isaac James Thatcher but it appears that they stayed in Pennsylvania. I will still look to see what happen to him since he probably died before 1850 since his daughter's were living together. Cris On Sunday, October 13, 2019, 05:35:54 AM EDT, Garry Heagy wrote: Hi Cris, I now know why I have Isaac as a possible child of Isaac who died in 1741. Please check your other DNA matches for Thatcher. I’d like to know of a few more that connect to the Bartholomew. Bartholomew Thatcher would be 8 generations back for me. My strongest DNA match 14 cM is with a descendant of Jonathan Thatcher born 1667. Thanks, Garry From: Cris Robbins Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:01 PM To: gheagy@... Subject: Thanks for the emails ! Hi Gary, I am with you on the theory that both our lines came through Isaac and Azubia Thatcher Robbins. I have not proved where my Isaac Robins who married a Sarah ? Robbins - Sutton came from. He was probably born around 173 5 +/- 10 yrs, he died around 1780. Tracey found connections between my Ohio line Vincent Robbins and a court record tying him back to land once owned by Isaac Robbins in Mingo Creek, Washington County, PA. You did find the line of William Thatcher and Margaret Kemple that I believe are the parents of Ellen Thatcher Wilson and her sister "Sarah Ann Thatcher" who share's 28 CM with : Jake Swick Ancestry - Sign In 4th–6th Cousin Shared DNA: 28 cM across 1 segments I will work on finding proof to go along with the one's below. A while back I found a family connection from the Chambers/ Dickenson family that had a relationship with Bartholomew Thatcher's brother Jonathan. There was no direct DNA connection, but by a sister of Gaios Dickenson named Sarah Thatcher. I will get back to you when I find some more information that is provable. Cris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2500 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 14:37:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: Marshall, Vincent would have been the older son and probably aged 21+ when Isaac wrote his Will bequeathing him 1/2 his plantation when he died. Joseph was not to receive his 1/2 until his mother died. I’m guessing he was not yet 21 in 1741. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 4:02 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS I agree ... I'm not convinced. The other children could have been simply minors. Were Vincent and Joseph of majority age (21, right?) in 1741? Does anyone have birth years or are able to approximate birth years for Vincent and Joseph? I would say they were certainly at least 21 in 1755 when they sold land. > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:42 pm ((PDT)) > > Thanks Marshall. Those reasons are good enough for me. > > But...I think Cris' ancestor, Isaac Robins might be a child of Isaac and > Asubia. So I'm not convinced the 4 other children were all daughters. > > Tracey > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:28 PM Marshall Lake marshallelake@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > >> >> John LAKE (son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie/Jane STRYKER) married Sarah Ann >> ROBINS (b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp) in 1756. >> >> There is no primary evidence (that I know of) saying that Sarah Ann is the >> daughter of Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) but I >> believe this to be correct because: >> >> 1. naming conventions - John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins have children >> named after all four grandparents: Isaac (firstborn son), Thomas >> (secondborn son), Jane (secondborn daughter) and Azubah (thirdborn >> daughter). >> >> 2. timing - Sarah Ann Robins was born in 1736, Isaac Robins and Asubia >> ------ (possibly Thatcher) were married c1720; Isaac Robins was born >> c1700; Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) was born in 1702. >> >> 3. location - Sarah Ann Robins was born in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey; Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were >> living in Hunterdon County, New Jersey (and most likely Amwell Twp) at >> the time of the birth of Sarah Ann Robins. Isaac Robins died in >> Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1741; John Lake and >> Sarah Ann Robins always lived in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey. >> >> 4. The will of Isaac Robins states six children and refers to two sons >> by name. It is presumed the four unnamed children are daughters >> (although that could be a bad presumption). >> >> Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? >> >> My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. >> >> FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & >> Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. The parents of Garret STRYKER were Jacobus >> Gerritsen STRYCKER and Ytie HUYBRECHTS. >>> Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx >>> Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:01 pm ((PDT)) >>> >>> >>> How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? >>> >>> Tracey >>> -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2501 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 14:56:39 Subject:Wrong name Message: Sorry, Garry, I had Gregg in my head. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2502 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 17:25:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: In helping Cris with his Isaac (who might be another child of Isaac and Asubia), I estimated his Isaac was likely born between 1730 and 1740 and that his wife Sarah was born around 1740. Cris' Isaac died before 1782, likely in Washington Co. Pennsylvania Isaac's widow Sarah married James Sutton before June 1782. The children I've established as those of Isaac and Sarah are as follows (Cris--make corrections to this as you probably have better info than I do at this point!) John Robbins b. 10 Apr 1760 in Sussex Co. NJ, moved to Washington Co. PA around 1778; moved to Ross Co. Ohio around 1798. Died 1841 Ross Co. Ohio m. Sarah Dailey (He was a Rev War veteran and applied for a pension, which gave his birth date, birth place, and dates and places of residences throughout his life.) Daniel Robbins b. between 1761-1770; d. 1846 Adams Co. Ohio. m. Sarah Leedom Isaac Robins b. after 1761 died unknown William Robbins b. between 1762-1770 d. about 17 Oct 1795, Tippecanoe, Indiana; died intestate; Indian massacre; Inventory of estate recorded in Shelby Co. Kentucky m. Rachel Ryker James born after 1763 d. 1836 Scott Co. Ohio. m. Mary Lastly in 1797 Shelby Co. KY; m. 2nd Cynthia Lucas 1823 Scott Co. Ohio Azubia Robbins b. 1768 d. 1830 Brown Co. Ohio m. George Washburn. Vincent Robbins born before 1774. Died between 1847 and 1850; likely in Brown Co. Ohio. m. Charity Ryker 1787 Jefferson Co. KY; separated or divorced before 1801. m. Mary Polly ? about 1798. m. Nancy Haynes 08 Oct 1822 Brown Co. Ohio Tracey On 10/15/2019 4:37 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, Vincent would have been the older son and probably aged 21+ when Isaac wrote his Will bequeathing him 1/2 his plantation when he died. Joseph was not to receive his 1/2 until his mother died. I’m guessing he was not yet 21 in 1741. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 4:02 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS I agree ... I'm not convinced. The other children could have been simply minors. Were Vincent and Joseph of majority age (21, right?) in 1741? Does anyone have birth years or are able to approximate birth years for Vincent and Joseph? I would say they were certainly at least 21 in 1755 when they sold land. > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:42 pm ((PDT)) > > Thanks Marshall. Those reasons are good enough for me. > > But...I think Cris' ancestor, Isaac Robins might be a child of Isaac and > Asubia. So I'm not convinced the 4 other children were all daughters. > > Tracey > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:28 PM Marshall Lake marshallelake@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > >> >> John LAKE (son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie/Jane STRYKER) married Sarah Ann >> ROBINS (b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp) in 1756. >> >> There is no primary evidence (that I know of) saying that Sarah Ann is the >> daughter of Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) but I >> believe this to be correct because: >> >> 1. naming conventions - John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins have children >> named after all four grandparents: Isaac (firstborn son), Thomas >> (secondborn son), Jane (secondborn daughter) and Azubah (thirdborn >> daughter). >> >> 2. timing - Sarah Ann Robins was born in 1736, Isaac Robins and Asubia >> ------ (possibly Thatcher) were married c1720; Isaac Robins was born >> c1700; Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) was born in 1702. >> >> 3. location - Sarah Ann Robins was born in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey; Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were >> living in Hunterdon County, New Jersey (and most likely Amwell Twp) at >> the time of the birth of Sarah Ann Robins.. Isaac Robins died in >> Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1741; John Lake and >> Sarah Ann Robins always lived in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey. >> >> 4. The will of Isaac Robins states six children and refers to two sons >> by name. It is presumed the four unnamed children are daughters >> (although that could be a bad presumption). >> >> Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? >> >> My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. >> >> FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & >> Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. The parents of Garret STRYKER were Jacobus >> Gerritsen STRYCKER and Ytie HUYBRECHTS. >>> Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx >>> Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:01 pm ((PDT)) >>> >>> >>> How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? >>> >>> Tracey >>> -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2503 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 19:09:40 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: On Ancestry I have communicated with an ancestry member kbergheimer , who has run into a brick wall with a Isaac H. Robbins who married a PA born women Catherine Cannon. He was granted land in Logan County Ohio after serving in Kentucky prior to 1820. The main sticking point with the family is the reported date of birth in Maryland 9/30/1774. His death was in 12/29/1860 in Quincy, Logan County, Ohio, United States of America. His fi rst son was Isaac Cannon Robbins 1819-1910. James Robbins was listed in the Beers book as a constable a few times. His marriage to his 2nd wife was 12/25/1823 Cythnia Lucas. Thanks Tracey for resharing his first wife Mary Lastly I could not recall her name. Afte r James passed away around 1836 ? in Union Brown County his widow remarried a John Jacobs on 7/26/1838. On the 1840 Census for Union there was a James Robbins listed but he was a younger man. I assume that he was a son of James and his first wife since the dates matched up. Cythnia and her husband John Jacobs moved to Franklin Brown County to live with many other Lucas family members. I found a weird Census on Peter Robbins from 1840 to 1850, they gained a 17 yr old child in that 10 years. I suspect that George B. Robbins who after studying his age changes throughout the later part of the 1800's kept changing. On his death record his birth was Oct o f 1832. Peter Robbins had a proven son Martin Van Buren Robbins born in March of 1833. I believe he may have been a son James Robbins and Cythnia Lucas and was a farm apprentice for his cousin Peter. I have faith in all the other children listed including William Robbins being married to relative of Charity Ryker who was killed in a Indian attack. That pretty much accounts for all the possible Isaac Robbins and Sar ah ? Robbins Sutton. I have spent a lot of time trying to find the truth about which James Sutton since most information is about a Rev. J. Sutton. After leaving Washington Co he seemed to have traveled to KY and then t o Indiana where he died around 1828 ? I found a Benjamin Sutton in the Eagle Brown County census in 1820 who led back to the N.J. Sutton clan, but they were also in North Carolina for a time. I really found the information on the sale of the residue property of Isaac in 1755 very interesting in building a time line for Isaac Jr. That could mean that mother Azubia Thatcher Robbins lived in the family house with her underage children until her death. Isaac jr. could possible be placed in Amwell and married a Sarah ? who was also a local young lady. Thanks again for focusing on the possible relationships with the senior Isaac and his wife. Lou Ann Winterowd suspected this relationship in her 15 -20 year old posts. Cris On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 08:25:34 PM EDT, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: In helping Cris with his Isaac (who might be another child of Isaac and Asubia), I estimated his Isaac was likely born between 1730 and 1740 and that his wife Sarah was born around 1740. Cris' Isaac died before 1782, likely in Washington Co. Pennsylvania Isaac's widow Sarah married James Sutton before June 1782. The children I've established as those of Isaac and Sarah are as follows (Cris--make corrections to this as you probably have better info than I do at this point!) John Robbins b. 10 Apr 1760 in Sussex Co. NJ, moved to Washington Co. PA around 1778; moved to Ross Co. Ohio around 1798. Died 1841 Ross Co. Ohio m. Sarah Dailey (He was a Rev War veteran and applied for a pension, which gave his birth date, birth place, and dates and places of residences throughout his life.) Daniel Robbins b. between 1761-1770; d. 1846 Adams Co. Ohio. m. Sarah Leedom Isaac Robins b. after 1761 died unknown William Robbins b. between 1762-1770 d. about 17 Oct 1795, Tippecanoe, Indiana; died intestate; Indian massacre; Inventory of estate recorded in Shelby Co. Kentucky m. Rachel Ryker James born after 1763 d. 1836 Scott Co. Ohio. m. Mary Lastly in 1797 Shelby Co. KY; m. 2nd Cynthia Lucas 1823 Scott Co. Ohio Azubia Robbins b. 1768 d. 1830 Brown Co. Ohio m. George Washburn. Vincent Robbins born before 1774. Died between 1847 and 1850; likely in Brown Co. Ohio. m. Charity Ryker 1787 Jefferson Co. KY; separated or divorced before 1801. m. Mary Polly ? about 1798. m. Nancy Haynes 08 Oct 1822 Brown Co. Ohio Tracey On 10/15/2019 4:37 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, Vincent would have been the older son and probably aged 21+ when Isaac wrote his Will bequeathing him 1/2 his plantation when he died. Joseph was not to receive his 1/2 until his mother died. I’m guess ing he was not yet 21 in 1741. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 4:02 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbi nsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS I agree ... I'm not convinced. The other children could have been simply minors. Were Vincent and Joseph of majority age (21, right?) in 1741? Does anyone have birth years or are able to approximate birth years for Vincent and Joseph? I would say they were certainly at least 21 in 1755 when they sold land. > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:42 pm ((PDT)) > > Thanks Marshall. Those reasons are good enough for me. > > But...I think Cris' ancestor, Isaac Robins might be a child of Isaac and > Asubia. So I'm not convinced the 4 other children were all daughters. > > Tracey > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:28 PM Marshall Lake marshallelake@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > >> >> John LAKE (son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie/Jane STRYKER) married Sarah Ann >> ROBINS (b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp) in 1756. >> >> There is no primary evidence (that I know of) saying that Sarah Ann is the >> daughter of Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) but I >> believe this to be correct because: >> >> 1. naming conventions - John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins have children >> named after all four grandparents: Isaac (firstborn son), Thomas >> (secondborn son), Jane (secondborn daughter) and Azubah (thirdborn >> daughter). >> >> 2. timing - Sarah Ann Robins was born in 1736, Isaac Robins and Asubia >> ------ (possibly Thatcher) were married c1720; Isaac Robins was born >> c1700; Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) was born in 1702. >> >> 3. location - Sarah Ann Robins was born in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey; Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were >> living in Hunterdon County, New Jersey (and most likely Amwell Twp) at >> the time of the birth of Sarah Ann Robins.. Isaac Robins died in >> Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1741; John Lake and >> Sarah Ann Robins always lived in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey. >> >> 4. The will of Isaac Robins states six children and refers to two sons >> by name. It is presumed the four unnamed children are daughters >> (although that could be a bad presumption). >> >> Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? >> >> My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. >> >> FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & >> Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. 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19:21:21 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: Hi Cris, Interesting. Are you genetically related to the Ancestry member with the Isaac Robbins ancestor? Tracey On 10/15/2019 9:09 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: On Ancestry I have communicated with an ancestry member kbergheimer , who has run into a brick wall with a Isaac H. Robbins who married a PA born women Catherine Cannon. He was granted land in Logan County Ohio after serving in Kentucky prior to 1820. The main sticking point with the family is the reported date of birth in Maryland 9/30/1774. His death was in 12/29/1860 in Quincy, Logan County, Ohio, United States of America. His first son was Isaac Cannon Robbins 1819-1910. James Robbins was listed in the Beers book as a constable a few times. His marriage to his 2nd wife was 12/25/1823 Cythnia Lucas. Thanks Tracey for resharing his first wife Mary Lastly I could not recall her name. After James passed away around 1836 ? in Union Brown County his widow remarried a John Jacobs on 7/26/1838. On the 1840 Census for Union there was a James Robbins listed but he was a younger man. I assume that he was a son of James and his first wife since the dates matched up. Cythnia and her husband John Jacobs moved to Franklin Brown County to live with many other Lucas family members. I found a weird Census on Peter Robbins from 1840 to 1850, they gained a 17 yr old child in that 10 years. I suspect that George B. Robbins who after studying his age changes throughout the later part of the 1800's kept changing. On his death record his birth was Oct of 1832. Peter Robbins had a proven son Martin Van Buren Robbins born in March of 1833. I believe he may have been a son James Robbins and Cythnia Lucas and was a farm apprentice for his cousin Peter. I have faith in all the other children listed including William Robbins being married to relative of Charity Ryker who was killed in a Indian attack. That pretty much accounts for all the possible Isaac Robbins and Sarah ? Robbins Sutton. I have spent a lot of time trying to find the truth about which James Sutton since most information is about a Rev. J. Sutton. After leaving Washington Co he seemed to have traveled to KY and then to Indiana where he died around 1828 ? I found a Benjamin Sutton in the Eagle Brown County census in 1820 who led back to the N.J. Sutton clan, but they were also in North Carolina for a time. I really found the information on the sale of the residue property of Isaac in 1755 very interesting in building a time line for Isaac Jr. That could mean that mother Azubia Thatcher Robbins lived in the family house with her underage children until her death. Isaac jr. could possible be placed in Amwell and married a Sarah ? who was also a local young lady. Thanks again for focusing on the possible relationships with the senior Isaac and his wife. Lou Ann Winterowd suspected this relationship in her 15 -20 year old posts. Cris On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 08:25:34 PM EDT, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: In helping Cris with his Isaac (who might be another child of Isaac and Asubia), I estimated his Isaac was likely born between 1730 and 1740 and that his wife Sarah was born around 1740. Cris' Isaac died before 1782, likely in Washington Co. Pennsylvania Isaac's widow Sarah married James Sutton before June 1782. The children I've established as those of Isaac and Sarah are as follows (Cris--make corrections to this as you probably have better info than I do at this point!) John Robbins b. 10 Apr 1760 in Sussex Co. NJ, moved to Washington Co. PA around 1778; moved to Ross Co. Ohio around 1798. Died 1841 Ross Co. Ohio m. Sarah Dailey (He was a Rev War veteran and applied for a pension, which gave his birth date, birth place, and dates and places of residences throughout his life.) Daniel Robbins b. between 1761-1770; d. 1846 Adams Co. Ohio. m. Sarah Leedom Isaac Robins b. after 1761 died unknown William Robbins b. between 1762-1770 d. about 17 Oct 1795, Tippecanoe, Indiana; died intestate; Indian massacre; Inventory of estate recorded in Shelby Co. Kentucky m. Rachel Ryker James born after 1763 d. 1836 Scott Co. Ohio. m. Mary Lastly in 1797 Shelby Co. KY; m. 2nd Cynthia Lucas 1823 Scott Co. Ohio Azubia Robbins b. 1768 d. 1830 Brown Co. Ohio m. George Washburn. Vincent Robbins born before 1774. Died between 1847 and 1850; likely in Brown Co. Ohio. m. Charity Ryker 1787 Jefferson Co. KY; separated or divorced before 1801. m. Mary Polly ? about 1798. m. Nancy Haynes 08 Oct 1822 Brown Co. Ohio Tracey On 10/15/2019 4:37 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, Vincent would have been the older son and probably aged 21+ when Isaac wrote his Will bequeathing him 1/2 his plantation when he died. Joseph was not to receive his 1/2 until his mother died. I’m guessing he was not yet 21 in 1741. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 4:02 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS I agree ... I'm not convinced. The other children could have been simply minors. Were Vincent and Joseph of majority age (21, right?) in 1741? Does anyone have birth years or are able to approximate birth years for Vincent and Joseph? I would say they were certainly at least 21 in 1755 when they sold land. > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:42 pm ((PDT)) > > Thanks Marshall. Those reasons are good enough for me. > > But...I think Cris' ancestor, Isaac Robins might be a child of Isaac and > Asubia. So I'm not convinced the 4 other children were all daughters. > > Tracey > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:28 PM Marshall Lake marshallelake@gmail..com > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > >> >> John LAKE (son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie/Jane STRYKER) married Sarah Ann >> ROBINS (b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp) in 1756. >> >> There is no primary evidence (that I know of) saying that Sarah Ann is the >> daughter of Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) but I >> believe this to be correct because: >> >> 1. naming conventions - John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins have children >> named after all four grandparents: Isaac (firstborn son), Thomas >> (secondborn son), Jane (secondborn daughter) and Azubah (thirdborn >> daughter). >> >> 2. timing - Sarah Ann Robins was born in 1736, Isaac Robins and Asubia >> ------ (possibly Thatcher) were married c1720; Isaac Robins was born >> c1700; Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) was born in 1702. >> >> 3. location - Sarah Ann Robins was born in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey; Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were >> living in Hunterdon County, New Jersey (and most likely Amwell Twp) at >> the time of the birth of Sarah Ann Robins.. Isaac Robins died in >> Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1741; John Lake and >> Sarah Ann Robins always lived in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey. >> >> 4. The will of Isaac Robins states six children and refers to two sons >> by name. It is presumed the four unnamed children are daughters >> (although that could be a bad presumption). >> >> Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? >> >> My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. >> >> FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & >> Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. The parents of Garret STRYKER were Jacobus >> Gerritsen STRYCKER and Ytie HUYBRECHTS. >>> Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx >>> Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:01 pm ((PDT)) >>> >>> >>> How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? >>> >>> Tracey >>> -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2505 Sender:Cris Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-10-15 21:14:03 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: These two connections are from Kelli managed tree: Jodi Russell Managed by kbergheimer 5th–8th Cousin Shared DNA: 7 cM across 1 segments 14,152 People A.T. Managed by kbergheimer 5th–8th CousinShared DNA: 7 cM across 1 segments ( This is a old communication ) Dec 13, 2016 I have a theory about land grants. My furthest back Isaac Robbins was land granted a plot in Ohio for his service in the War of 1812. Do you know if any of his brothers or cousins were land granted also? Kelli On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 10:21:36 PM EDT, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Hi Cris, Interesting. Are you genetically related to the Ancestry member with the Isaac Robbins ancestor? Tracey On 10/15/2019 9:09 PM, Cris Robbins crisrobbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > On Ancestry I have communicated with an ancestry member kbergheimer , who has run into a brick wall with a Isaac H. Robbins who married a PA born women Catherine Cannon. He was granted land in Logan County Ohio after serving in Kentucky prior to 1820. The main sticking point with the family is the reported date of birth in Maryland 9/30/1774. His death was in 12/29/1860 in Quincy, Logan County, Ohio, United States of America. His f irst son was Isaac Cannon Robbins 1819-1910. > > > > James Robbins was listed in the Beers book as a constable a few times. His marriage to his 2nd wife was 12/25/1823 Cythnia Lucas. Thanks Tracey for resharing his first wife Mary Lastly I could not recall her name. Af ter James passed away around 1836 ? in Union Brown County his widow remarried a John Jacobs on 7/26/1838. On the 1840 Census for Union there was a James Robbins listed but he was a younger man. I assume that he was a so n of James and his first wife since the dates matched up. Cythnia and her husband John Jacobs moved to Franklin Brown County to live with many other Lucas family members. I found a weird Census on Peter Robbins from 184 0 to 1850, they gained a 17 yr old child in that 10 years. I suspect that George B. Robbins who after studying his age changes throughout the later part of the 1800's kept changing. On his death record his birth was Oct of 1832. Peter Robbins had a proven son Martin Van Buren Robbins born in March of 1833. I believe he may have been a son James Robbins and Cythnia Lucas and was a farm apprentice for his cousin Peter. > > > > I have faith in all the other children listed including William Robbins being married to relative of Charity Ryker who was killed in a Indian attack. That pretty much accounts for all the possible Isaac Robbins and S arah ? Robbins Sutton. I have spent a lot of time trying to find the truth about which James Sutton since most information is about a Rev. J. Sutton. After leaving Washington Co he seemed to have traveled to KY and then to Indiana where he died around 1828 ? I found a Benjamin Sutton in the Eagle Brown County census in 1820 who led back to the N.J. Sutton clan, but they were also in North Carolina for a time. > > > > I really found the information on the sale of the residue property of Isaac in 1755 very interesting in building a time line for Isaac Jr. That could mean that mother Azubia Thatcher Robbins lived in the family hous e with her underage children until her death. Isaac jr. could possible be placed in Amwell and married a Sarah ? who was also a local young lady. > > > > Thanks again for focusing on the possible relationships with the senior Isaac and his wife. Lou Ann Winterowd suspected this relationship in her 15 -20 year old posts. > > > > Cris > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 08:25:34 PM EDT, Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In helping Cris with his Isaac (who might be another child of Isaac and Asubia), I estimated his Isaac was likely born between 1730 and 1740 and that his wife Sarah was born around 1740.Cris' Isaac died before 1782, l ikely in Washington Co. PennsylvaniaIsaac's widow Sarah married James Sutton before June 1782.The children I've established as those of Isaac and Sarah are as follows (Cris--make corrections to this as you probably have better info than I do at this point!) > > John Robbins b. 10 Apr 1760 in Sussex Co. NJ, moved to Washington Co. PA around 1778; moved to Ross Co. Ohio around 1798. Died 1841 Ross Co. Ohiom. Sarah Dailey (He was a Rev War veteran and applied for a pension, whi ch gave his birth date, birth place, and dates and places of residences throughout his life.)Daniel Robbins b. between 1761-1770; d. 1846 Adams Co. Ohio. m. Sarah LeedomIsaac Robins b. after 1761 died unknown > > William Robbins b. between 1762-1770 d. about 17 Oct 1795, Tippecanoe, Indiana; died intestate; Indian massacre; Inventory of estate recorded in Shelby Co. Kentuckym. Rachel Ryker > > James born after 1763 d. 1836 Scott Co. Ohio. m. Mary Lastly in 1797 Shelby Co. KY; m. 2nd Cynthia Lucas 1823 Scott Co. OhioAzubia Robbins b. 1768 d. 1830 Brown Co. Ohio m. George Washburn.Vincent Robbins born before 1774. Died between 1847 and 1850; likely in Brown Co. Ohio. m. Charity Ryker 1787 Jefferson Co. KY; separated or divorced before 1801. m. Mary Polly ? about 1798. m. Nancy Haynes 08 Oct 1822 Brown Co. Ohio > > Tracey > > > On 10/15/2019 4:37 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Marshall, >> >> >> >> Vincent would have been the older son and probably aged 21+ when Isaac wrote his Will bequeathing him 1/2 his plantation when he died. >> >> >> >> Joseph was not to receive his 1/2 until his mother died. I’m guessing he was not yet 21 in 1741. >> >> >> >> Garry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] >> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 4:02 PM >> >> To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List >> >> Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I agree ... I'm not convinced. The other children could have been simply >> minors. Were Vincent and Joseph of majority age (21, right?) in 1741? >> >> Does anyone have birth years or are able to approximate birth years for >> Vincent and Joseph? I would say they were certainly at least 21 in 1755 >> when they sold land. >> >>> Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx >>> Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:42 pm ((PDT)) >>> >>> Thanks Marshall. Those reasons are good enough for me. >>> >>> But...I think Cris' ancestor, Isaac Robins might be a child of Isaac and >>> Asubia. So I'm not convinced the 4 other children were all daughters. >>> >>> Tracey >> >>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:28 PM Marshall Lake marshallelake@gmail..com >>> [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> John LAKE (son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie/Jane STRYKER) married Sarah Ann >>>> ROBINS (b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp) in 1756. >>>> >>>> There is no primary evidence (that I know of) saying that Sarah Ann is the >>>> daughter of Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) but I >>>> believe this to be correct because: >>>> >>>> 1. naming conventions - John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins have children >>>> named after all four grandparents: Isaac (firstborn son), Thomas >>>> (secondborn son), Jane (secondborn daughter) and Azubah (thirdborn >>>> daughter). >>>> >>>> 2. timing - Sarah Ann Robins was born in 1736, Isaac Robins and Asubia >>>> ------ (possibly Thatcher) were married c1720; Isaac Robins was born >>>> c1700; Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) was born in 1702. >>>> >>>> 3. location - Sarah Ann Robins was born in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, >>>> New Jersey; Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were >>>> living in Hunterdon County, New Jersey (and most likely Amwell Twp) at >>>> the time of the birth of Sarah Ann Robins.. Isaac Robins died in >>>> Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1741; John Lake and >>>> Sarah Ann Robins always lived in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, >>>> New Jersey. >>>> >>>> 4. The will of Isaac Robins states six children and refers to two sons >>>> by name. It is presumed the four unnamed children are daughters >>>> (although that could be a bad presumption). >>>> >>>> Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? >>>> >>>> My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. >>>> >>>> FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & >>>> Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. The parents of Garret STRYKER were Jacobus >>>> Gerritsen STRYCKER and Ytie HUYBRECHTS. >> >>>>> Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx >>>>> Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:01 pm ((PDT)) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? >>>>> >>>>> Tracey >>>>> >> >> -- >> Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2506 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-16 02:58:55 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: Hi, Did John born 1760 or Daniel born 1761-1770 have a son Isaac? Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:25 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS In helping Cris with his Isaac (who might be another child of Isaac and Asubia), I estimated his Isaac was likely born between 1730 and 1740 and that his wife Sarah was born around 1740. Cris' Isaac died before 1782, likely in Washington Co. Pennsylvania Isaac's widow Sarah married James Sutton before June 1782. The children I've established as those of Isaac and Sarah are as follows (Cris--make corrections to this as you probably have better info than I do at this point!) John Robbins b. 10 Apr 1760 in Sussex Co. NJ, moved to Washington Co. PA around 1778; moved to Ross Co. Ohio around 1798. Died 1841 Ross Co. Ohio m. Sarah Dailey (He was a Rev War veteran and applied for a pension, which gave his birth date, birth place, and dates and places of residences throughout his life.) Daniel Robbins b. between 1761-1770; d. 1846 Adams Co. Ohio. m. Sarah Leedom Isaac Robins b. after 1761 died unknown William Robbins b. between 1762-1770 d. about 17 Oct 1795, Tippecanoe, Indiana; died intestate; Indian massacre; Inventory of estate recorded in Shelby Co. Kentucky m. Rachel Ryker James born after 1763 d. 1836 Scott Co. Ohio. m. Mary Lastly in 1797 Shelby Co. KY; m. 2nd Cynthia Lucas 1823 Scott Co. Ohio Azubia Robbins b. 1768 d. 1830 Brown Co. Ohio m. George Washburn. Vincent Robbins born before 1774. Died between 1847 and 1850; likely in Brown Co. Ohio. m. Charity Ryker 1787 Jefferson Co. KY; separated or divorced before 1801. m. Mary Polly ? about 1798. m. Nancy Haynes 08 Oct 1822 Brown Co. Ohio Tracey On 10/15/2019 4:37 PM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Marshall, Vincent would have been the older son and probably aged 21+ when Isaac wrote his Will bequeathing him 1/2 his plantation when he died. Joseph was not to receive his 1/2 until his mother died. I’m guessing he was not yet 21 in 1741. Garry From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 4:02 PM To: ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS I agree ... I'm not convinced. The other children could have been simply minors. Were Vincent and Joseph of majority age (21, right?) in 1741? Does anyone have birth years or are able to approximate birth years for Vincent and Joseph? I would say they were certainly at least 21 in 1755 when they sold land. > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@gmail.com marcelofamilytx > Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:42 pm ((PDT)) > > Thanks Marshall. Those reasons are good enough for me. > > But...I think Cris' ancestor, Isaac Robins might be a child of Isaac and > Asubia. So I'm not convinced the 4 other children were all daughters. > > Tracey > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:28 PM Marshall Lake marshallelake@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] mailto:robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com wrote: > >> >> John LAKE (son of Thomas LAKE & Jannetie/Jane STRYKER) married Sarah Ann >> ROBINS (b 18 Sep 1736 Amwell Twp) in 1756. >> >> There is no primary evidence (that I know of) saying that Sarah Ann is the >> daughter of Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) but I >> believe this to be correct because: >> >> 1. naming conventions - John Lake and Sarah Ann Robins have children >> named after all four grandparents: Isaac (firstborn son), Thomas >> (secondborn son), Jane (secondborn daughter) and Azubah (thirdborn >> daughter). >> >> 2. timing - Sarah Ann Robins was born in 1736, Isaac Robins and Asubia >> ------ (possibly Thatcher) were married c1720; Isaac Robins was born >> c1700; Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) was born in 1702. >> >> 3. location - Sarah Ann Robins was born in Amwell Twp, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey; Isaac Robins and Asubia ------ (possibly Thatcher) were >> living in Hunterdon County, New Jersey (and most likely Amwell Twp) at >> the time of the birth of Sarah Ann Robins.. Isaac Robins died in >> Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1741; John Lake and >> Sarah Ann Robins always lived in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, >> New Jersey. >> >> 4. The will of Isaac Robins states six children and refers to two sons >> by name. It is presumed the four unnamed children are daughters >> (although that could be a bad presumption). >> >> Garry, how are you connected to John LAKE (b 1688)? >> >> My LAKEs (and other ancestors) came from Kings County, NY. >> >> FYI, I have the parents of Jannetie/Jane STRYKER as Garret STRYKER & >> Wyntje Cornelise BOOMGARD. The parents of Garret STRYKER were Jacobus >> Gerritsen STRYCKER and Ytie HUYBRECHTS. >>> Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx >>> Date: Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:01 pm ((PDT)) >>> >>> >>> How do we know that Isaac and Azubia had a daughter Sarah Ann? >>> >>> Tracey >>> -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2507 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-16 05:26:48 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: I dont know of an Isaac for John. And, I dont know of an Isaac for Daniel either...which I find a bit odd. Maybe we'll discover that they were in the same areas as Isaac but arent his sons? Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2508 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-16 05:50:42 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: Tracey, Very good, that was my point. Tell me what you deduce from the records below: Garry From the 1781 Tax List for Notthingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, Daniel 60 2 2 £56 (value) £0.14.0 Deyley, Philip 100 2 2 130 Leadman, John 100 2 3 72 McDonal, Enis 100 2 2 Vanata, John 70 2 3 5 Washburn, Jeremiah 120 3 2 5 Note: 1) Phillip Dailey is the father of John Robins' wife. 2) John Leedom is the father of Daniel's wife. 3) Daniel's land bordered that of John Vanata on the north side. 4) Enos McDonald purchased land from Isaac Robbins, land which bordered John Vanata. From the 1782 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, Daniel £1.1.0 From the 1783 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, John 226 acres 2.0.5 Daniel No land 0.1.6 Thomas 0.1.0 From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:26 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS I dont know of an Isaac for John. And, I dont know of an Isaac for Daniel either...which I find a bit odd. Maybe we'll discover that they were in the same areas as Isaac but arent his sons? Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2509 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-16 06:23:28 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: Right. What this tells me is that Isaac Robins who died before 1782 (and likely died before this tax list in 1781) was the eldest Robins on this property. And his son Daniel was the one who was taxed for it after Isaac died. Tracey On 10/16/2019 7:50 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Very good, that was my point. Tell me what you deduce from the records below: Garry From the 1781 Tax List for Notthingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, Daniel 60 2 2 £56 (value) £0.14.0 Deyley, Philip 100 2 2 130 Leadman, John 100 2 3 72 McDonal, Enis 100 2 2 Vanata, John 70 2 3 5 Washburn, Jeremiah 120 3 2 5 Note: 1) Phillip Dailey is the father of John Robins' wife. 2) John Leedom is the father of Daniel's wife. 3) Daniel's land bordered that of John Vanata on the north side. 4) Enos McDonald purchased land from Isaac Robbins, land which bordered John Vanata. From the 1782 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, Daniel £1.1.0 From the 1783 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, John 226 acres 2.0.5 Daniel No land 0.1.6 Thomas 0.1.0 From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:26 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS I dont know of an Isaac for John. And, I dont know of an Isaac for Daniel either...which I find a bit odd. Maybe we'll discover that they were in the same areas as Isaac but arent his sons? Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2510 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-16 07:56:09 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: Tracey, It seems Isaac owned a lot more than 60 acres. From the 1783 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Sotton, Sarah 200 acres. From Washington Co. PA Deeds v. 1. 1A 1781-1784, page 20, 4 July 1782): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXB-PQZ1-Q?i=17&cat=225855 Deed Records 1782 - 1785 by J. Richard Sutton, 1295 W. Dogwood Ct, Marion, IN 46952 Sarah Sutton, admin of Isaac Robbins to Eneas McDonald, land on Mingo Creek. Approximately 150 acres. June 7, 1782 Sarah Sutton of Mingo Creek Settlement, Washington County, Pennsylvania to Enos McDonald. 318 acres on Mingo Creek September 13, 1784. From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 9:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Right. What this tells me is that Isaac Robins who died before 1782 (and likely died before this tax list in 1781) was the eldest Robins on this property. And his son Daniel was the one who was taxed for it after Isaac died. Tracey On 10/16/2019 7:50 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Very good, that was my point. Tell me what you deduce from the records below: Garry From the 1781 Tax List for Notthingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, Daniel 60 2 2 £56 (value) £0.14.0 Deyley, Philip 100 2 2 130 Leadman, John 100 2 3 72 McDonal, Enis 100 2 2 Vanata, John 70 2 3 5 Washburn, Jeremiah 120 3 2 5 Note: 1) Phillip Dailey is the father of John Robins' wife. 2) John Leedom is the father of Daniel's wife. 3) Daniel's land bordered that of John Vanata on the north side. 4) Enos McDonald purchased land from Isaac Robbins, land which bordered John Vanata. From the 1782 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, Daniel £1.1.0 From the 1783 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, John 226 acres 2.0.5 Daniel No land 0.1.6 Thomas 0.1.0 From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:26 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS I dont know of an Isaac for John. And, I dont know of an Isaac for Daniel either...which I find a bit odd. Maybe we'll discover that they were in the same areas as Isaac but arent his sons? Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2511 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-16 08:03:19 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: Tracey, John and Daniel Robbins were brothers. John was the older brother, he was born in 1760. Daniel was born no earlier than 1761. Why would the younger Robbins have property in 1781? Why would a minor have land and be paying tax in 1781? Why does John have 226 acres in 1783 and his brother Daniel has no land? Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 9:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Right. What this tells me is that Isaac Robins who died before 1782 (and likely died before this tax list in 1781) was the eldest Robins on this property. And his son Daniel was the one who was taxed for it after Isaac died. Tracey On 10/16/2019 7:50 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@netflash.net [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Very good, that was my point. Tell me what you deduce from the records below: Garry From the 1781 Tax List for Notthingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, Daniel 60 2 2 £56 (value) £0.14.0 Deyley, Philip 100 2 2 130 Leadman, John 100 2 3 72 McDonal, Enis 100 2 2 Vanata, John 70 2 3 5 Washburn, Jeremiah 120 3 2 5 Note: 1) Phillip Dailey is the father of John Robins' wife. 2) John Leedom is the father of Daniel's wife. 3) Daniel's land bordered that of John Vanata on the north side. 4) Enos McDonald purchased land from Isaac Robbins, land which bordered John Vanata. From the 1782 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, Daniel £1.1.0 From the 1783 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, John 226 acres 2.0.5 Daniel No land 0.1.6 Thomas 0.1.0 From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:26 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS I dont know of an Isaac for John. And, I dont know of an Isaac for Daniel either...which I find a bit odd. Maybe we'll discover that they were in the same areas as Isaac but arent his sons? Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2512 Sender:todd.d.robbins@... Post Date/Time:2019-10-16 09:45:26 Subject:ANNOUNCEMENT: Yahoo! Groups is going away Message: I just saw on Twitter that Yahoo Groups is being retired by Yahoo and our group will be deleted December 14, 2019: Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously post ed content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded. See this page for more details: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html In the meantime, I am open to suggestions about where to migrate our community. We could use Facebook Groups, Google Groups, Slack, or something else. I understand this is distressing news, but as the admin for the group I'd like to get ahead of this. I'll figure out how to archive our data here and what we can do to migrate the files to a new platform. Take care! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2513 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-16 16:18:11 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: All excellent questions! I have no answers. I do believe the Daniel and John are related to Isaac, however. More research should be done it sounds like! Tracey On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 10:40 AM 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Tracey, > > John and Daniel Robbins were brothers. John was the older brother, he was > born in 1760. Daniel was born no earlier than 1761. > > Why would the younger Robbins have property in 1781? Why would a minor > have land and be paying tax in 1781? > > Why does John have 226 acres in 1783 and his brother Daniel has no land? > > Garry > > *From:* Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 16, 2019 9:23 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS > > > > Right. What this tells me is that Isaac Robins who died before 1782 (and > likely died before this tax list in 1781) was the eldest Robins on this > property. > And his son Daniel was the one who was taxed for it after Isaac died. > > Tracey > On 10/16/2019 7:50 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... > [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > Tracey, > > Very good, that was my point. > > Tell me what you deduce from the records below: > > Garry > > From the 1781 Tax List for Notthingham Twp, Washington County, PA: > Robins, Daniel 60 2 2 £56 (value) £0.14.0 > Deyley, Philip 100 2 2 130 > Leadman, John 100 2 3 72 > McDonal, Enis 100 2 2 > Vanata, John 70 2 3 5 > Washburn, Jeremiah 120 3 2 5 > Note: 1) Phillip Dailey is the father of John Robins' wife. > 2) John Leedom is the father of Daniel's wife. > 3) Daniel's land bordered that of John Vanata on the north side. > 4) Enos McDonald purchased land from Isaac Robbins, land which > bordered John Vanata. > > From the 1782 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: > Robins, Daniel £1.1.0 > > From the 1783 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: > Robins, John 226 acres 2.0.5 > Daniel No land 0.1.6 > Thomas 0.1.0 > > *From:* Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:26 AM > *To:* robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS > > > I dont know of an Isaac for John. And, I dont know of an Isaac for Daniel > either...which I find a bit odd. Maybe we'll discover that they were in the > same areas as Isaac but arent his sons? > Tracey > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2514 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-10-16 17:19:31 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ANNOUNCEMENT: Yahoo! Groups is going away Message: Gosh. Well I'm glad you are paying attention and willing to do something, Todd. From a personal perspective, I have a Google account and a Facebook account. So either would work for me. I use Slack at work. So I'm familiar with it from a collaborative messaging standpoint but I don't know if it would really work for the kinds of discussions we have. In the Yahoo group, it's been nice to start a thread on a certain topic and build on it or abandon it and start a new topic. It was also nice to be able to search on old topics. I assume we want to use whatever is free and gives us the most flexibility for number of messages and storage. Let's us know how we can help. Tracey On 10/16/2019 11:45 AM, todd.d.robbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: I just saw on Twitter that Yahoo Groups is being retired by Yahoo and our group will be deleted December 14, 2019: Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded. See this page for more details: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html In the meantime, I am open to suggestions about where to migrate our community. We could use Facebook Groups, Google Groups, Slack, or something else. I understand this is distressing news, but as the admin for the group I'd like to get ahead of this. I'll figure out how to archive our data here and what we can do to migrate the files to a new platform. Take care! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2515 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-16 19:49:34 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ANNOUNCEMENT: Yahoo! Groups is going away Message: Sad news. Google Groups would be my first choice. I don't know anything about "Slack". Please zip/archive past postings so we can download them. Thanks. On Wed, 16 Oct 2019, todd.d.robbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > I just saw on Twitter that Yahoo Groups is being retired by Yahoo and our group will be deleted December 14, 2019: > Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't > be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be > permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded. > > > See this page for more details: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html > > > In the meantime, I am open to suggestions about where to migrate our community. We could use Facebook Groups, Google Groups, Slack, or > something else. > > I understand this is distressing news, but as the admin for the group I'd like to get ahead of this. I'll figure out how to archive our data > here and what we can do to migrate the files to a new platform. > > > Take care! > > > > > -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2516 Sender:"Garry Heagy" Post Date/Time:2019-10-17 02:25:25 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Message: Tracey, I’ll give you my theory. Daniel Robbins on the 1781 Tax List is the father of John born 1760 and Daniel born about 1762. Daniel Sr. died about 1782. In 1783, the oldest son, John, has ownership of the property. Daniel Jr. is now 21 years old and is taxed. They probably also have a brother Thomas. When I was researching this family 2-3 years ago I read that John and Daniel were not sons of Isaac’s but were cousins of his children. Unfortunately, I didn’t save the source. It’s entirely possibly that my suspected Daniel Robbins Sr. is a brother of Isaac. That would explain their New Jersey roots and their proximity to each other in Washington County, PA. Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 7:18 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS All excellent questions! I have no answers. I do believe the Daniel and John are related to Isaac, however. More research should be done it sounds like! Tracey On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 10:40 AM 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, John and Daniel Robbins were brothers. John was the older brother, he was born in 1760. Daniel was born no earlier than 1761. Why would the younger Robbins have property in 1781? Why would a minor have land and be paying tax in 1781? Why does John have 226 acres in 1783 and his brother Daniel has no land? Garry From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 9:23 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS Right. What this tells me is that Isaac Robins who died before 1782 (and likely died before this tax list in 1781) was the eldest Robins on this property. And his son Daniel was the one who was taxed for it after Isaac died. Tracey On 10/16/2019 7:50 AM, 'Garry Heagy' gheagy@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Tracey, Very good, that was my point. Tell me what you deduce from the records below: Garry From the 1781 Tax List for Notthingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, Daniel 60 2 2 £56 (value) £0.14.0 Deyley, Philip 100 2 2 130 Leadman, John 100 2 3 72 McDonal, Enis 100 2 2 Vanata, John 70 2 3 5 Washburn, Jeremiah 120 3 2 5 Note: 1) Phillip Dailey is the father of John Robins' wife. 2) John Leedom is the father of Daniel's wife. 3) Daniel's land bordered that of John Vanata on the north side. 4) Enos McDonald purchased land from Isaac Robbins, land which bordered John Vanata. From the 1782 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, Daniel £1.1.0 From the 1783 Tax List for Nottingham Twp, Washington County, PA: Robins, John 226 acres 2.0.5 Daniel No land 0.1.6 Thomas 0.1.0 From: Tracey Marcelo tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 8:26 AM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Sarah Ann ROBINS I dont know of an Isaac for John. And, I dont know of an Isaac for Daniel either...which I find a bit odd. Maybe we'll discover that they were in the same areas as Isaac but arent his sons? Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2517 Sender:Dennis Robbins Post Date/Time:2019-10-17 04:34:33 Subject:RE: [robbinsfamilysociety] ANNOUNCEMENT: Yahoo! Groups is going away Message: Morning all, I’ve been following the course of these discussions, hoping to discover a link to my gg-grand father James Robins of York and Clearfield, PA. In 5 years, I have not been able to identify his parentage. Ju st so you understand my interest in the family. In regards to this yahoo thing. I am in several Trading groups hosted in the Telegram app. It’s a free app, chats can be made private, monitors, so on. Just a thought. Thanks for allowing me to tag along. Regards, Dennis Dennis Robbins, USMC (Retired), Owner, WinningWays, http://www.winwithicoinpro.com/WinningWays, Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:49 PM To: todd.d.robbins@...; ROBINS/ROBBINS Family Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ANNOUNCEMENT: Yahoo! Groups is going away Sad news. Google Groups would be my first choice. I don't know anything about "Slack". Please zip/archive past postings so we can download them. Thanks. On Wed, 16 Oct 2019, todd.d.robbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > I just saw on Twitter that Yahoo Groups is being retired by Yahoo and our group will be deleted December 14, 2019: > Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't > be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be > permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded. > > > See this page for more details: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html > > > In the meantime, I am open to suggestions about where to migrate our community. We could use Facebook Groups, Google Groups, Slack, or > something else. > > I understand this is distressing news, but as the admin for the group I'd like to get ahead of this. I'll figure out how to archive our data > here and what we can do to migrate the files to a new platform. > > > Take care! > > > > > -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@mlake.net -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2518 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-17 07:23:43 Subject:Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Yahoo! Groups is going away Message: See https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2519 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-10-18 06:13:06 Subject:Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Yahoo! Groups is going away Message: See https://www.zdnet.com/article/yahoo-extends-deadline-for-uploading-content-on-yahoo-groups/ -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2520 Sender:Kathleen Crellin Post Date/Time:2019-10-18 18:08:36 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] ANNOUNCEMENT: Yahoo! Groups is going away Message: I guess I would choose google groups. It would be the most written about app, hence help. We used it at the science museum to log in and report on happenings on our shift. Sort by day or topic heading, I believe. Uploa d documents. It is what I have just a little knowledge of. I am game for what works best. When we get on new platform I will try to use the groups part more where you can see all the different threads going on. We have really intense researchers who are all very accommodating but if you are concentrating on a particular nitch in the Robbins family you have to stick with it especially when you have your people there. They will get to you eventually though. I can help. We miss Sarah. For me, using a gmail account would be fine if I have to since the Robbins family is a separate set of people from my other contacts. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 9:49 PM, Marshall Lake marshallelake@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: Sad news. Google Groups would be my first choice. I don't know anything about "Slack". Please zip/archive past postings so we can download them. Thanks. On Wed, 16 Oct 2019, todd.d.robbins@... [robbinsfamilysociety] wrote: > > > I just saw on Twitter that Yahoo Groups is being retired by Yahoo and our group will be deleted December 14, 2019: > Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't > be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be > permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded. > > > See this page for more details: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html > > > In the meantime, I am open to suggestions about where to migrate our community. We could use Facebook Groups, Google Groups, Slack, or > something else. > > I understand this is distressing news, but as the admin for the group I'd like to get ahead of this. 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Marshall, please don’t ask for my sources. Garry From: tracey.marcelo@gmail.com [robbinsfamilysociety] Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 2:13 PM To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elizabeth Robbins and Joel Woolverton Hi, Does anyone know who the parents of Elizabeth Robbins b. about 1720 who married Joel Woolverton are? Tracey ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2523 Sender:Tracey Marcelo Post Date/Time:2019-11-01 16:22:44 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elizabeth Robbins and Joel Woolverton Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2524 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-11-02 07:08:18 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elizabeth Robbins and Joel Woolverton Message: :) > Posted by: "Garry Heagy" gheagy@... gheagy@... > Date: Fri Nov 1, 2019 11:30 am ((PDT)) > > Tracey, > > I have Elizabeth as a daughter of John Robins born 1696. > > Marshall, please don’t ask for my sources. > > Garry > > From: tracey.marcelo@... [robbinsfamilysociety] > Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 2:13 PM > To: robbinsfamilysociety@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elizabeth Robbins and Joel Woolverton > > > > Hi, > > Does anyone know who the parents of Elizabeth Robbins b. about 1720 who married Joel Woolverton are? > > > Tracey -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2525 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-11-02 07:13:22 Subject:Re: [robbinsfamilysociety] Elizabeth Robbins and Joel Woolverton Message: Here's the will abstract ... From "Calendar of New Jersey Wills Volume V 1771-1780" by A Van Doren Honeyman in 1931: BEGIN 1775, June 29. Robins, John, of Amwell, Hunterdon Co.; will of. Wife, Elener Robins, while my widow, the profits of the plantation I live on, and, after her death, to my son, John, he paying to my son, Cornelius, [pounds]50, and to my son, Job, [pounds]100, when 21; but if Job do not live, then to my daughters, Anne Robins, Mary Robins, Elizabeth Woolverton, Hannah Robins, Jane Kitchen, Rachel Reily, Lydia Parlee and Catharine Robins. Executors-son, John, and Daniel Robins. Witnesses-James Furman, Israel Chidster, David Chidister. Proved Sept. 16, 1777. 1777, Sept. 17. Inventory, made by Samuel Furman and John Trimmer. Lib. 19, p. 444. END I also have a copy of the full will if necessary. > Posted by: "Tracey Marcelo" tracey.marcelo@... marcelofamilytx > Date: Fri Nov 1, 2019 4:22 pm ((PDT)) > > > I found it! It's in the will of John Robins written 29 > Jun 1775... > Marfy describes it in: > https://goodspeedhistories.com/the-two-taverns-at-robins-hill-par\ > t-four/ > > Tracey -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post ID:2526 Sender:Marshall Lake Post Date/Time:2019-11-02 07:14:27 Subject:List Going Away Message: Soon this list will be going away on yahoo.com I wonder what the status is of moving the list? -- Marshall Lake -- mlake@... -- http://www.mlake.net